td2-build-advice

[cerulean smelt]

btw:health means jack in the game so stack up all you want on health just doesn't do much for you in general

[subtle bluff]

https://youtu.be/bNtU3BIEkhM?si=7hUmQL7A6fejXjaE
Sounds like a skill issue.

[solar sable]

ah that's why I was doing 5 mil headshots with my m700

[cerulean smelt]

the funniest part on them, the transferred damage can exceed the 50%

[solar sable]

bruh

[cerulean smelt]

goto the range and watch your numbers XD

[solar sable]

they're the same lol

I was trying to make xp farming with group Augmentation easier and the good thing is I tried them before running that

[night phoenix]

No but I did say I had a build already made, I just didn't have it equipped. I equipped random stuff to see if it made me feel any less tank than the build I had did.

[night phoenix]

Was that supposed to hurt my feelings? Lawl

[subtle bluff]

No. I've already explained the main issue.
I am not gonna help explain what wrong with a bad build vs another bad build without more context.

I am not here to hurt feelings. I give advice if people choose to react in a stubborn way I just be become blunt.

[subtle bluff]

More context. But generally elmo

[versed summit]

They’re pretty close on DPS, you can use whichever you prefer tbh

[subtle bluff]

Oh... Youtube build...

[cerulean smelt]

i clicked it and feel defiled (> <)

video uploaded 3 days ago

[subtle bluff]

Ditto. At least he timestamp it so it's just the build.

[cerulean smelt]

scratches head why striker chest and not ceska chest?

[subtle bluff]

All I'm gonna say the build isn't gonna make soloing the master easy.

[cerulean smelt]

nods 4 pfe won't make too much of a difference

[subtle bluff]

Good question

[cerulean smelt]

you'd think if he wanted to maximize the pfe he'd done the chest and backpack, then 2 improvised with pfe on it

[subtle bluff]

Again more context.

[cerulean smelt]

the chest increases your stacks to 200, which in most missions and open world stuff you don't hit

[subtle bluff]

What are you looking to do and how do you want to do it.

[cerulean smelt]

that's one of the beauties of this game. you can go for a build already in videos, (usually bad bulds), to whatever they have here and just tweak it to suit your playstyle

think i ran this in heroic and master climax mission and i felt defiled afterwards anyways

hopefully when the huntsman named AR comes out and someone gets it they can tell me if it actually works with the talent on it

in PTS my shield only disappeared like 2 times, but since this season think they altered it a bit but shield stays up for the most part

think i'm just too lazy to farm up a grupo chest with obliterate so i just leave it as is XD

oh i'm dumb lol

there much better

i forget, but probably

[dire locust]

Birdie quick fix

[cerulean smelt]

having 400 stash size is nice, i can have most of everything in it currently and just have whatever load out i want equipped on me

@urban palm oh guess i didn't reconfigure it at all lol

It's the named devils due with perfect clutch on it, but grupo or ceska will work with something else for a talent

[subtle bluff]

Clutch.... Why...

[subtle bluff]

No... Just go Palisade... AOK that fixed...

[cerulean smelt]

i can imagine, just wanted to see if the backpack can work on it XD

[cerulean smelt]

nods upto 50%-60% then all chd

just remember SMG has a higher CHC on it already

[runic gust]

Whats with everyone running shields?

[magic pilot]

Common for less advanced players to run

Even good players use shield sometimes

[runic gust]

But why

I know its a good way to start hard wired but i see it on not hard wired builds too often

[magic pilot]

Keeps vigilance up

The more you can shoot without taking dmg the more theoretical output you have

[runic gust]

better for weapon damage builds i suppose

[magic pilot]

For skill builds there's not much point besides maybe mortar and foam if for some reason you need to be more aggressive

[runic gust]

big fan of how skill builds feel like youre playing a mage lol

[winter rune]

which secondary weapon should i get on a skill build to kill tanks (the fully armored guys)?

[shy willow]

the only weapon dedicated to destroying plates is rav but you can't run it and capacitor at the same time so

could also use a crossbow

[stiff jasper]

warrior player without any damage reduction and debuff resistance then crying about mage is op in pvp 😭 😂

[solar token]

for this pvp build mentioned in the spreadsheet, is it the end of the world to have a red core chestpiece and matador?

you get a bit less from unbreakable and catharsis, but man, farming for that chestpiece and backpack is killing me

[urban latch]

They are a pain in the ass to get, but catharsis, unbreakable, and as rush all benefit from stacking armor, so the less you have the less all 3 of those do

So at a certain point it's better running other things

[solar token]

😔

[magic rapids]

it's a mess of a build but i am building towards the sniper build
is it normal to have a diffcult time with anything above hard?

[solar token]

what are you building towards? that's a lot more yellow and blue than i'd think you should have in a sniper build

@magic rapids

[desert roost]

??? Yea with a build like that

[magic rapids]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1j4Km15oZKIc1Hym0y-G2nMMYDH6mqRgLiumI68E724E/edit?tab=t.0

[magic rapids]

iam going to the shadow realm (normal diffculty)

[solar token]

i don't want to flame

but you're missing like, 5/6 of the core brands/gearsets that build calls for

your weapons aren't gonna do any damage lol

[magic rapids]

sadly it's a long way until i can make the full build

[subtle bluff]

Go to summit and cd to farm.

Get a normal Strikers too so you can do cd more.

[solar token]

i agree with chow, that build shouldn't take too long to farm for. use targeted loot in countdown or summit to get the right components at least, and then you should have an easier time

optimizing them all might take a bit longer if you're picking them up on hard difficulty

but at least you'll start to have some of the things that make a sniper build

[thorny kernel]

Would Bullet King pair well with a Striker build?

[onyx sage]

it's decent

[thorny kernel]

Is System Corruption worth using?

[onyx sage]

no

[hasty sluice]

does incoming repairs % effect the repairs given from refactor?

[onyx sage]

no

[patent gull]

What talent should I put on my chest piece for PVP/DZ

[honest moss]

Unbreakable or obliterate mostly. Can run the every day carrier too for perfectly efficient. Kinda build dependent.

[hasty sluice]

if you want to be funny glass cannon, if you want to use something normal perfect efficient on "everyday carry" is good

[hasty sluice]

carry with firewalls passive armor kit use makes you very hard to down for 2~4 seconds

[cerulean smelt]

was about to ask, thought the efficient was a backpack talent, then was like wait, the named one of that is bloodsucker nvm lol

[hasty sluice]

ngl Refactor is alot more fun than I thought

this build isnt gonna run legendary any time soon but its fun

My Drone is my Shield ahh build

[honest moss]

Honestly refactor is pretty solid. I have used it in legendary for a support and it does work given no emps

I run waveform & perfect combined arms though... forgot the bags name.. oops

But combined arms/tech support both just as good

[hasty sluice]

ah that could work well.

[honest moss]

Burn sticky works too so (i think) shock and awe works too

[hasty sluice]

mfw shock awe support

[honest moss]

The one for skill repair and damage on a status proc... i am kinda forgetting atm xD

[hasty sluice]

never thought id see the day when you could use both side of shock and awe to good effect

woe china light explosive support build be upon ye

[honest moss]

Oh yeah mortar/seekers are great for full healing on refactor

Oddly, demolisher too

[hasty sluice]

oh yeah I guess demo does do like 2m a hit

it may not be damage but it is still "damage"

[heady wraith]

Is the google doc in sticky up to date regarding returning player/starter builds?

Cause i find so many builds that i cant pick 😂

[subtle bluff]

Repair still doesn't work with Refactor.

[subtle bluff]

Drop the holster for a Chest with Glass Cannon.

[honest moss]

No but the damage does

[subtle bluff]

Repair Skill. oops I meant

[hasty sluice]

would, but im running the agressive drone mod rn.

[subtle bluff]

If you're solo refactor IMO this is how it should be ran.

[hasty sluice]

good to know

[subtle bluff]

Oh it should be GC instead of Obli but w/e works too.

[cerulean smelt]

which build tool is that?

[subtle bluff]

buildstation.app it's still beta and being work on with a lot of incorrect things going on. We're slowly building it up.

[tawdry raven]

How much crit chance for strikers coyote mask with an AR?

[cerulean smelt]

hey, as long as it's a bit more accurate i'd be ok with it

[subtle bluff]

I don't understand what you mean by this.

In general, you're CHC should always be around 50-54%

[tawdry raven]

So if I got 57% on my Elmo strikers+coyote build rn I should take off a chc mod

[cerulean smelt]

with coyotes probably best to factor the mid and long range when you're soloing

[ember crane]

any overcharge enjoyers able to point me in the right direction regarding sniper turret + decoy builds?

[cerulean smelt]

several ways to overcharge now a days
btsu always the easiest
there's the talent on weapons Future Perfect
and currently this season modifier at t5 overcharges your skills too

[ember crane]

you sir are a legend thank you!

[cerulean smelt]

although, i still haven't figured out if this is a thing, i've read it happens this way
normal future perfects goes up 3 skill tiers
supposedly you can be at 3 skill tiers, get 3 kills and be at 6 skill tiers then get your 4th kill at skill tier 6 and go overcharged skill. i think i kill too slowly for that to work with me

[ember crane]

ramp up will work nicely on heroic but trying to crack consistent legendary as duo. so needing to open up strong

[cerulean smelt]

back on the PTS the exotic locked behind the climax mission seemed to do well

[ember crane]

is that going live in 2 weeks by any chance?

[onyx sage]

do you have to use a sniper turret as your main skill? or are you open to other options too like DPS?

even the assault turret for example is more viable since it has the damage to maintain aggro on enemies

[ember crane]

i kinda want to lean into hiding behind cover as on the off chance there is a full squad in legendary i want to be able to deal with another budy with identicle build. so we'll run dps while the other two practice dying

[onyx sage]

what if the other 3 go down and you're left?

and i meant DPS as in a gun build, gun builds are the top choice in legendary in any setting

[ember crane]

clone and run 70 to 200m away and kite really is as far as my plan goes

[onyx sage]

okay, let me rephrase; are you willing to use a stronger build and survive by killing faster than having to back away?

[ember crane]

absolutely just not sure where to look

[onyx sage]

make yourself a striker build. there's a spreadsheet here in this channel with many top builds

this is the striker guide

[ember crane]

last i played, trying to tank and spank with 3 or 4 in squad on legendary was torture

[onyx sage]

use good positioning and you'll be able to kill before you're overwhelmed

killing stuff fast to maintain your position is the best play in legendary

use tall cover and don't use short cover so grenades and drones don't chase you as much

the meta in legendary is DPS and support like healer or eclipse CC

traditional tanks don't really work in here; even the tankier builds still focus on dealing enough damage to stay alive

that being said, some skills are absolutely essential even on a gun build with 0 skill tier. if you're new, revive hive can be useful, but after that: decoy is essential to reposition, the others are preference and more situational

[cerulean smelt]

average player knows, least how local deck said they trained them in legendary runs (> <)

can't remember what we were talking about, but i made a comment about how except local logged in a legendary god
was going to mention average too but was like i'll let average sleep (> <)

[onyx sage]

i think i only played with local twice... when will the man join me again

[cerulean smelt]

lol XD

[subtle bluff]

I did once with him on Heroic Tidal. I want to drag him along in incursion too.

[fair dragon]

A mortar enjoyer? In incursion? Good luck with that

[cerulean smelt]

i'd honestly would love to see that

[solar sable]

he would mortar lovebirds with gate strat

[dreamy valve]

Time to stress test birdie backpack for pug legendary runs today!

Right after I get home from eating at a sushi buffet

[cerulean smelt]

will you post your thoughts?

[dreamy valve]

I’ve already tested the hive efficiency on the hive skills, and they don’t seem to work. So I’ll might as well try out the medic for red dps players

[cerulean smelt]

nodsrecent video today shows a lot of things wrong with the backpack

[dreamy valve]

I bet

[cerulean smelt]

think mostly the manual revive
and the the damage resistence

[magic rapids]

on the sniper build as a secondary it recommends a shotgun or a rifle
but in the sharpshooter tree to get the digital scope i need to fully level the rifle
is having a shotgun worth the scope loss?

[onyx sage]

yes, shotgun has the highest damage potential actually with hh

you can live without the digital scope, it's fine

[cerulean smelt]

not to mention doesn't shotguns have a natural stagger to it?

[magic rapids]

neat
which m870 tho
or are any of them good?

iam getting the nemesis for my primary

but right now i am rolling with m700

[subtle bluff]

ithere all the same.

What guide is that from?

[magic rapids]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1j4Km15oZKIc1Hym0y-G2nMMYDH6mqRgLiumI68E724E/edit?tab=t.0

[subtle bluff]

oh this one

[magic rapids]

what traits should i have on the m700 and the shotgun?

[subtle bluff]

ok stop with this one. Keep it simple.

4pc Hotshot Chainkiller and Vigilance BP

[onyx sage]

chain*

[magic rapids]

my next target is chainkiller

[subtle bluff]

White Death > M700 > any of the SR MMR works.

Once you're doing +3 man Heroic or higher you'll then need m700 or up otherwise anything that near 500k base works.

[charred eagle]

What does skill efficiency actual help? Trying to try different combinations with refractor

[subtle bluff]

everything with skills.

[charred eagle]

Like it makes my skills more active? Like shooting more with a turret/drone?

[subtle bluff]

1 Skill efficiency = of each folowing
+1% Skill Damage
+1% Skill Haste
+1% Skill Duration
+1% Skill Health
+1% Repair Skills
+1% Status Effects

If you're solo and wanting to use either refactor or drone/turret (which I don't really recommend has build to use) scroll up a few I posted a better refactor build that'll help you clear faster.

[worn imp]

What is best for PvP: Stinger Hive, Banshee Pulse, Sticky Bomb or Trap?

[subtle bluff]

Try #td2-pvp-discussions

[runic gust]

solid damage here

[cinder geyser]

If I step out of my hive zone I die

[bright raptor]

yes, we know it's a skill build

[runic gust]

trusting the process

[dreamy valve]

Ok, just got back from legendary Capitol. I did everything I could to sabotage the run so the group gets to die as much as possible, but unfortunately, the pug group I was in was frustratingly decent at staying alive throughout the mission so I didn't get off as much revives as I wanted. One player did leave midway through, probably a rage quit cause I kept using him as a explosive drone and grenade body shield. I only did manual revives, and the first downed state is pretty much instant in terms of getting them back up, although the actual player death's revive speed wasn't as fast as I thought, probably felt about 25% faster. I didn't pay attention to the other activated buffs once I revived a player, as it didn't felt noticeable either, probably cebause the cooldown on them is so long. The end score screen only showed one player since the previous player messed it up after leaving, so I didn't bother to screenshot it. Overall, its just as everyone has thought, another one of those meme exotics these devs unironically designed as a serious item to use.

[hexed steppe]

hows this compare to a highend skill brand crit rolled hybrid, considering missing 4 rolls. no glass limits damage output. also i dont think gloves take mods when not improvised. 😉 probably just a visual bug tho

[subtle bluff]

builder has bugs everywhere

[subtle bluff]

really... you wouldn't put randoms thru that.. 😐

[urban latch]

This is a parody right?

[tawdry raven]

Lmao new exotic got ppl becoming supervillains to test it

[charred eagle]

So is NBB a no go for refractor? I’m seein ppl shit on this backpack but I see a lot of ppl with build around the NBB and they’re pretty good

If so would memento/ Hana-U backpack with combined arms or tech support be better?

[subtle bluff]

NBB will always nerf a build.

Either Memento or It's w/e brandset bonus helps the build at more with combined arms. Tech support you have to wait for skill kills for the talent to work.

[charred eagle]

Yea I just tested it with 4 piece refractor and 2 Hana-U with the named backpack and the dmg was way higher… im contemplating for memento tho cause thats an extra 30% skill dmg at full stack. And I do play a little aggressive

Might put a wyvern mask on for the 8% skill dmg

[subtle bluff]

Why mask...

[charred eagle]

I have refractor on chest, holster, knees, and hands. If I run memento I’ll have my mask to slot in

I play mostly group play so thats extra healin for the team. I’ve seen ppl use glass canon and kinetic momentum, etc but I think the chest piece for refractor is not necessarily needed but it’s nice for the teammates

[subtle bluff]

You don't need the extra heals. Just do more damage help clear things. Giving a team always bigger amount of heals is nice but being able kill things so they never hurt anyone again is better.
kinetic momentum isn't amazing for turret/drone build but it is next best if you're scared to run CG.

[magic rapids]

iam going for the sniper build included here
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1j4Km15oZKIc1Hym0y-G2nMMYDH6mqRgLiumI68E724E/edit?tab=t.0
1-how important is it to switch crit to handling
2-for the backpack: do i go for the gift (with perfect vigilance and 13% headshot damage) or an airaldi (with basic vigilance and a 10% mmr damage)

i am guessing the 4>3 second cooldown for vigilance isnt that important, right??

[glad heart]

I run the Gift all the time, and many will say it does not matter, but it does. That one second can mean the difference between you dropping the bad guy, and the bad guy dropping you. Time and again, it made the difference.

[magic rapids]

gift it is
thanks for the help

[shy willow]

(It doesn't matter)

[magic rapids]

but hear me out
named items have gold letters in them

[slender basin]

Gold does seem better than white

[vestal ibex]

That 1 second of up time means 33.333% more damage because it's 4/3 and it's the only way these MMR builds work.

[onyx sage]

on the other hand, weapon damage helps with chunga helmet breaking whereas headshot damage doesn't

[vestal ibex]

Just use foxes

[onyx sage]

for the multiplicative?

[ember crane]

is there a specific hive i need to detonate to proc overcharge with BTSU gloves? i cant tell if it is procing

[subtle bluff]

This isn't really worth doing btw. 15s of overcharge isn't worth to try to get dmg out.

[subtle bluff]

Any work.

[cursive stirrup]

Can someone suggest me a good build for low SHD lvl?

[solar sable]

Striker's is where you start

Check the 📌 Spreadsheet

[mellow flint]

two pcs hana-u or two pcs shiny monkey 🤔

[subtle bluff]

Need more context....

[mellow flint]

for a skill build

[subtle bluff]

Go on...

I guess I have to ask the question... Why is it decision between the 2 brandsets?

[mellow flint]

thinking which is better...

[subtle bluff]

what skills....

[mellow flint]

drone and turret

im thinking hana-u might be better cause of the force multiplier

[subtle bluff]

Hanna.... more or less.

TBH refactor is better than both

[mellow flint]

for skill dmg output?

[subtle bluff]

Monkey does nothing for you

[mellow flint]

im using refactor for legendary and i have zero failed runs

[subtle bluff]

Yes. To always note skill dmg is isn't great vs aWD DPS

[subtle bluff]

ok?

[mellow flint]

hm...

[subtle bluff]

Most of leggo take less than 25 mins for the long ones and like the currenty it's like 12 mins....

[subtle bluff]

Someone answer this question prefectly for yesterday so I'm just copying it.

[mellow flint]

👍 thats actually a good summary, thank you

[subtle bluff]

IMO this is a better way of doing this. Your overall DPS output is higher.
Obli or CG for chest talent.

[mellow flint]

thank you, this was way better

[subtle bluff]

Plz next time add more context to your question for a builds. It helps us help you.

[ember crane]

is there a spreadsheat with chest rolls? im enjoying the strikers build but going with memento for open world stuff as the leech effect is smooth enough - any vampire talents on chest? using fenris

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages. No,

Use ceska over Fenfis.

[worn mango]

Refactor all crit huh, interesting

[runic gust]

Do headshots count as crit damage?

[ember crane]

ceska for chc i take it? that will put my over 60% chc

[urban latch]

no, they are separate things. crit hits are just rng hits that land at the rate of your crit hit chance

[runic gust]

This seems like a bad build even if you build it towards increasing the chance as much as possible

At least in comparison to just doing more straight weapon damage

[urban latch]

what build?

[runic gust]

Crit builds

[urban latch]

like in general? crit builds are some of the strongest in the game

[runic gust]

How

Random damage increases just seems objectively worse than flat damage increased

[ember crane]

rpm or atk speed makes the difference

[patent fossil]

but minor stats can be crit, they can't be weapon damage (except the odd exception like picaros)

[worn mango]

And stacking weapon or gun damage has way faster diminishing returns than crit

[urban latch]

we thing about damage (for rpm weapons, not 1 shot sniper type guns) as a rate of damage. So you average out those crits into an average rate of damage being done, aka DPS. Your minor attributes which are where the majority of crit comes from only really has two options for damage, headshot damage or crit. you essentially would need to be hitting a higher headshot percentage than you could get crit chance percentage (60%) which no one is realistically doing on average

a typical/average build can have at least 60% CHC and 150% CHD. thats a very substantial damage increase thats very worth investing into

[ember crane]

is there somewhere ingame i can find where the ceska chest bp is from?

[versed summit]

No

[ember crane]

what do you guys use?

[runic gust]

I see i see

[versed summit]

Just have to farm it

The actual chest

[ember crane]

oh ok

[tawdry flare]

Hey Raucey it's been a while

[wind flume]

How does this look for a refractor set?

Any suggestions would kinetic momentum be better?

[urban latch]

the chest and holster really arent worth it

[wind flume]

I would get enough even with just 10%?

[urban latch]

also refractor really benifits from a more constant damage with skills, instead of it in bursts. So the regular turret over the sniper turret is more effective

enough what?

[wind flume]

Heals, and the sniper turret gives a full heal on hit

[charred eagle]

CG?

[honest moss]

I think chow means GC for glass cannon. One of the best chest talents for skill builds. Will also let you deal a bit more damage too.

[charred eagle]

Ah gotcha… I’ll have to try it then

[forest trail]

@urban latch it asks for access for the refractor turret drone build in the document

[pastel basin]

Can you still one shot the raid boss in iron horse #1 #2 with the regulus or do you need to activate your ravenous stacks?

[vestal ibex]

Rav stacking still used. Less stacking needed but most people diamond back boss 1 and shotgun nego boss 2 in pubs.

Reason is it's a 100% chance for them.

[forest trail]

nego diamond on ironhorse first boss?

[versed summit]

Can you try again?

[vestal ibex]

Yeah, 100% crit rate.

[forest trail]

works now

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[forest trail]

can you show a clip

[shy willow]

Its whole talent is it gets guaranteed crits

[forest trail]

okay but i want to see the clip of it being used on iron horse first boss?

[forest trail]

isee ty

[pastel basin]

Ooo okay tyyyy

It would be the same with boomer? Or no?

[vestal ibex]

Boomer is kinda doable but it's not perfect and basically the same or worse than pistol nego cause you need so many buffs and it doesn't even fully one shot him.

[pastel basin]

Okay sorry can I pick your brain for a bit because you’re actually teaching me a lot

So boomer, full on negotiatiors build, would you run the ravenous or regulus as the exotic?

[vestal ibex]

Regulus, most use intimidate chest with DCH. At this point there is so much damage we don't concern with any time loss buffing like oppo, sledge, scorp, BLB.

[pastel basin]

Blb?

[vestal ibex]

Busy little bee.

[pastel basin]

Ooohhhh

Okay, gotcha, and for the second encounter run the same build or just this one?

[vestal ibex]

Boss 2 DH?

[pastel basin]

Yes

The 3 bosses with the plane

Sorry I don’t know most terms, I just got the game like a month ago 😭

[vestal ibex]

Yeah we have versatile nem users shooting the first two bosses and then 2 pistol DCH on the last boss like the pic you showed. @fresh fox screeny spotted.

[forest trail]

what would you guys recommend for the climax manhunt on master

[fresh fox]

yep thats me!!!

[pastel basin]

👋👋👋

[pastel basin]

DCH?

[vestal ibex]

Dodge city holster

[pastel basin]

Ohhhh

And for buddy and Lucy, would it be possible to run negotiators to kill both of them at the same time?

Or would it be 2 seperate people with that pure red build?

[urban latch]

in an lfg youd stack with blb in the previous room and have 1 person for each dog running that build. In a speedrun thats too slow, so you just clear the previous room as fast as possible and have multiple shooters for each dog so you dont need blb to kill

[onyx sage]

striker

[pastel basin]

Blb and switch to the sniper signature weapon?

Can you one shot the razorback in pubs? Let’s say you only had a healer and no other buffs.

[fair dragon]

mortar build

[vestal ibex]

Nope.

[vestal ibex]

BLB>regulus

or harvest

[urban latch]

It's technically possible, but takes so much coordination it's not really feasible in an lfg. Two shotting is more possible in lfgs, but even that is a lot to coordinate in an lfg and is very rarely done.

It's similar to the boomer one shot, there's just too much to coordinate so people don't bother

[vestal ibex]

Yeah in LFGs you see one shots on boss 1-2-3 in IH and boss 2-3 in DH with boss 2 being maybe 1-2 of the three.

[forest trail]

nothing special?
just any full red will be fine?
i heard a lot of people saying that there's a part wheree it's really really hard

[onyx sage]

just full red and stay alive

you can run pfe if you want though. there will be hunters in the 3rd fight

[forest trail]

what was pfe again?

also i want to solo it

[onyx sage]

protection from elites

there are runs online you can reference, i have 2 videos out too but you want to have enough damage to burst hunters down in 1 mag

[runic gust]

not sure what exotic gear to run, swapping out any of the set seems to break the whole build

[onyx sage]

you don't really run any exotics here, but swap out the chest for a china light glass cannon one and anything other than the backpack for a wyvern piece

[forest trail]

hmmm i might just run 4p hf with scoprio if there's hunters

[onyx sage]

no, HF doesn't have any damage lol

use striker

in solo each of them are 50mil

[runic gust]

target china light loot?

[forest trail]

hm

[runic gust]

dont laugh emoji me 😭

[forest trail]

i see ty

[onyx sage]

yes

i wouldn't laugh emoji you lol, you asked a legit question

[runic gust]

my chest is keeping the seeker cooldown in sync with the hard wired cooldown though

[onyx sage]

no, the backpack does

[runic gust]

ive got 12 haste attribute on the chest

[onyx sage]

the chest gives more total skill damage

you can get that same attribute on the china chest

gear set items have 1 less attribute, so you can have both skill haste and skill damage on the china piece

if you haven't noticed, you only need 4 gear set items to proc the full set

[runic gust]

whats the exact naming of the glass cannon chest so i can find it on wiki

[runic gust]

yeah i noticed that but every time i swapped out a piece it broke some part of the build

[onyx sage]

pls don't use the wiki for anything... just go into countdown and target loot china light

[runic gust]

well id like to have the vaguest idea of what im going for..

[onyx sage]

you want a china light brand chest with skill haste, skill damage and glass cannon

there's no need to look for the name of this item because it's just a generic item

[runic gust]

oh the wiki dont even have it at all 💀

[onyx sage]

don't use the wiki for anything either, it's complete trash

[runic gust]

yeah im notcing

[cerulean smelt]

i laughed at their picture of 6 HW and they think it'd break their build

[runic gust]

i change out a piece to not HW and i either stop doing enough damage, the cooldowns get messed up, feedback loop gets longer, stuff like that

[onyx sage]

okay if you look at the chest and backpack they have special talents

[cerulean smelt]

you know though, BTSU would be a fun exotic if they swapped the sticky to hive and periodically overcharged their seekers? (> <)

[runic gust]

right

[onyx sage]

so if you swap these 2, you are changing the talents

that explains why your build breaks or works

the backpack reduces the cooldown from 20s to 10s so you wanna keep it

[runic gust]

10 to 5

(insane)

[onyx sage]

err yeah i remembered the old HW

[runic gust]

THEY BUFFED IT TO THAT??

[onyx sage]

but the chest is worse than glass cannon

so you want glass cannon over the HW chest

[runic gust]

yeah i see the chest just does more skill damage

[cerulean smelt]

had to look at the sheet, if 10 to 25% from chest, yeah really not needed

[runic gust]

irrelevant on emp(?) and seekers already basically one shot most enemies

[onyx sage]

HW chest is basically 1.136x while GC is 1.25x

straight up worse

[cerulean smelt]

chest only activates after you reset your skills anyways doesn't it?

[onyx sage]

yeah it only affects the resetted skill

[runic gust]

and i can throw the attributes from the gloves knees or mask onto something else too so should i replace any of them

[onyx sage]

yep and that one would be wyvern brand with skill haste skill damage

[runic gust]

any of those pieces wyvern brand?

[onyx sage]

except backpack

[runic gust]

okay thank ye

what does wyvern brand offer

[onyx sage]

so the 2 pieces i mentioned, china light and wyvern, you can actually swap the 2 brands

so instead of china chest you can go wyvern chest

[cerulean smelt]

once you got the wyvern and china light you'll notice a difference

[onyx sage]

the brands going into specific pieces don't matter, what matters is you have the brands

wyvern 1p offers 10% skill damage, that's why it's used

[cerulean smelt]

chest you want to have glass cannon on it

[runic gust]

very much playing a extremely glass build too lol

do skill builds usually die in 6 shots

[onyx sage]

it's a skill build, you'll inherently take less damage than a red build

[cerulean smelt]

unless you're doing things like trying to utilize Insync or future perfect talents, one increases the damage your skills do the other gives you skill tier and a short duration of overcharged skills

[runic gust]

oh well i have maxed skill tier already so more damage sounds like the better option

[vestal ibex]

Sir, it's actually 8%.

[cerulean smelt]

one of the many reworks they did recently?

[vestal ibex]

I forget how long ago it was. It was along side all the stuff going from 10>8 and 15>13 and tons of weapon adjustments. It's been like 2 seasons yeah?

[worn mango]

That was TU22

[cerulean smelt]

1 season i thought? but yeah i know i forget everything they changed

[worn mango]

That happened with all the weapon rebalancing and such

[cerulean smelt]

nods along with gearsets, like the nego getting a 12% buff on backpack?

[worn mango]

Believe so, along with OD and Striker change

And HB

[onyx sage]

🚮

[cerulean smelt]

my point exactly, they changed it at some point and it's hard to keep track what they changed and when XD
was that the One Update bit?

it feels about right in my head
"you can now level to 40 in DC and here's a bunch of stuff we adjusted" 😆

[pastel basin]

Ohhh okay, so then I’m never gonna do it 😭 I only have like 3 other friends that would actually run builds to help me in that type of way

@vestal ibex one last thing do you think I would still be able to one shot a boss with either of these two guns maxed out?

The first one is the d50

[fresh fox]

harvest the champ

[pastel basin]

Which weapon would be more consistent as well?

[pastel basin]

Even if it doesn’t have dttoc?

[fresh fox]

well with dttoc of course

get to it pal!!

[pastel basin]

I can’t farm one right now cause apparently there’s no more festive drops

I dead tried for 2 hours before realizing it 😭

[fresh fox]

gg

wait till summer event i guess

[pastel basin]

Oooo there’s a summer event?

[fresh fox]

i would just use regulus then

[fresh fox]

there was last year

im assuming they are gonna do it again

[pastel basin]

Finally getting my regulus tomorrow,

Cause you have to wait 3 whole weeks 😭

[pastel basin]

Also in terms of more damage, would the regulus do more than the harvest?

[fresh fox]

i only had to wait 2 :b

[fresh fox]

no

[pastel basin]

HARVEST DOES MORE?

[fresh fox]

yea

[pastel basin]

Is it still a viable one shot though?

The regulus

[fresh fox]

i dont use it because harvest feels horrible to use when doing blb and stuff

yea reg is still good

[pastel basin]

Ooo okay bet

[fresh fox]

harvest does like 13% more though

[pastel basin]

:\

[fresh fox]

but it also doesnt really matter since you do a ton of damage anyways

[pastel basin]

Sucks that I didn’t farm loot goblins sooner 😭

[vestal ibex]

1 HP over will one shot or 400 mil over will one shot.

[fresh fox]

yep

[vestal ibex]

Doing BLB properly will be like 100+ mil over what you need anyway.

[fresh fox]

yea i think i do like 240mil with reg on williams

so im not stressing about damage too much

[vestal ibex]

Your expertise on achilles is HUGE, it's a seperate multi and it's just like adding what ever % you have expertise on it.

[pastel basin]

Do you guys know how much health each raid boss has? I just tried searching it up with no answers

[pastel basin]

What? It does more damage?

I haven’t expertised it yet

[vestal ibex]

That's your easiest big damage increase then.

[pastel basin]

Oh okay 😭, I tried doing it without and I got a 114 million, with that poop harvest I have a a future initiative buff with opportunitistic

I just need those 3 pistols man

The harvest, regulus and blb

[subtle bluff]

Depends on the boss. Anywhere from 400 to 800 mill I don't know them they could be even more.

[pastel basin]

Ooo okay,

I’m heading back to school now 😭

[vestal ibex]

That's incursion type stuff. Most raid bosses only need 170ish to like 270ish.

[subtle bluff]

Isn't DH guys higher?

[vestal ibex]

Boomer is like 274 or so.

[pastel basin]

Oh yeah about incursion, do you think with the same red build, I can one shot the bosses?

[vestal ibex]

No, the incursion is mostly striker DCH stuff.

[pastel basin]

I saw some guy one shot Johnson with some striker stacks

And dch I think, not even full, and for the moss guy, it was a 3 shot

[subtle bluff]

None of them are a full one shot.

But more or less.

[vestal ibex]

Yeah with the incursion you are trying to hit an amount and then immune while on tiles for wright and for johnson/martinez you have a health gate(you have to hit a certain health to finish and kill them in one shot) so yeah we "one shot" them but you have to double up or get them past the health gate.

[subtle bluff]

this is the biggest one shot that we don't need normally.

[pastel basin]

Ohhhh, yeah nvm they two shotted Johnson

[pastel basin]

Scorpion and sledgehammer ✍️✍️✍️

Okay so last question, for negotiatiors, do you if you apply like either of those two buffs on the boss that you don’t shoot, would the damage still amplify, or would you have to apply them to the target you’re shooting?

[runic gust]

this doesnt work right?

[vestal ibex]

With nego one shots you need to apply everything to the target you shoot.

Like in boomer you'd apply things to the sniper, in grey you'd apply them to the gunner.

[pastel basin]

Oooo okay thanks so muchhhh

[subtle bluff]

There wasn't enough shots for Scorpio buff there another 2 buffs there anyways.

[subtle bluff]

🧐
what's going on here? I just joined in and haven't read much.

[pastel basin]

Ohhh so it’s kinda like flatline?

[runic gust]

china exotic to go with HW

suppoosed to be glass cannon chest

[onyx sage]

have you farmed anything yet

[subtle bluff]

Yes, if you're rocking Mines

[runic gust]

that was just the first CD run

[subtle bluff]

Don't use waveform

[runic gust]

workin on it rn

[cinder geyser]

Thinking of running refactor again, isnt capacitor a guaranteed drop from summit or something

[pastel basin]

Does blb drop from targeted summit?

Also does it have to be legendary or no?

[magic pilot]

It only drops from exotic caches at first

@pastel basin

[cinder geyser]

@subtle bluff Can I do any challenge or does it have to be specific ones

[magic pilot]

Any

[cinder geyser]

ah alright

[magic pilot]

The goat, I couldn't be bothered to find that while riding in the car lol

[hexed steppe]

id in the screenshot

[subtle bluff]

oh....... my... derp..

[cinder geyser]

Is one "ascent" mean one sitting or one save file

like can I go do something and come back without losing progress

[hazy steeple]

@cinder geyser You can leave and come back to Summit as many times as you want, unless the challenge mentions a time limit.

You aren't really meant to "finish Summit" in one go, just do it as you go.

[cinder geyser]

So... what is an elite signature weapon

[hazy steeple]

Signature Weapon Kills on an Elite (read: gold) eneny.

The grammar in some of the challenge descriptions are truly horrendous.

[cinder geyser]

Oh right

[pastel basin]

The goat fr

[subtle bluff]

iKia 🐐 for making

[pastel basin]

Wait so it says I need the blueprint before being able to target it, so do I need to get the liberty first?

Okay thankssss

About to do it tomorrow and also get the regulus as well

Then one shot the moon fr

[subtle bluff]

Liberty is very meh

[pastel basin]

No I mean the blb 😭

Mb

[frail pine]

What gives me more damage a striker chest piece with the fox's prayer kneepad when using a rifle or the hunter killer chespiece? or a an obliterate or a perfect intimidate talent on the chest piece?

[urban latch]

Using an AR or rifle? You really don't want to be using rifles with strikers since you won't maintain stacks well.

[subtle bluff]

The most simple answer is whatever talent you keep up the most.

[urban latch]

Striker chest vs obliterate is situational, depending on if you'll be able to take advantage of the 200 striker stacks with the chest or not

And intimidate is really not a factor here imo

[frail pine]

i use the ravenous rifle with the minigun spec so my rpm is enough to keep it up and i use acs to stack it up so i can ultilize the perfect intimidate and obliterate talent perfectly

so which gives me more damage?

[urban latch]

I mean... I would not suggest that to say the least lol

[frail pine]

why?

[subtle bluff]

Wait wah...

Ow...

[frail pine]

gunner spec

so nitpicky about names

[worn imp]

is +1 ammo the best skill mod available for the Chem launcher's ammo mod slot? is there a +2 one?

[subtle bluff]

No... You're trying how many things at once? Vs keeping it simpler...

[frail pine]

yes its the plus 1 , there is no plus 2

[limber mason]

well, if you CAN keep 200 stacks up with that, yeah it sohuld be more damage but in most cases I doubt you actually need that damage or can sustain the stacks long enough

[frail pine]

i am using a striker build chest and backpack

[urban latch]

It's going to be very inconsistent and slow to build/maintain stacks. Intimidate for instance is not going to be active much at all. Like we could calculate the damage each of these options would do in ideal conditions/max stacks, but the issue is the amount of time you'll spend with these talents active is just not that much.

[worn imp]

What skill do you prefer for PvE with +1 skill tier on a non-skill DPS build: Any of the DMG seeker mines or the stinger hive??

[frail pine]

yes i can sustain it perfectly secondly yes i need that much damage for legendary strongholds

[subtle bluff]

wait what?

[worn imp]

non skill build

[limber mason]

I would get a striker drone, it's not going to do a lot of damage but it will distract enemies

other skill up to you, do you need damage or survivability or some safety

[subtle bluff]

You're Red build and what skill we would use?

[frail pine]

foam, revive hive, hologram these are the ones that works without needing more skill tiers

[limber mason]

then in that case it should have the highest damage potential

[worn imp]

yeah, i have 2 skill tiers tho since my build can afford it. (it comes from the ninjabike backpack.)

[frail pine]

some guy called it a dung build so i wanted to check if he has any problems with his head (it turns out yes he does) or its me who cant make a build

[limber mason]

Striker Drone, Hologram, Shield can help take some damage off you and keep you up a bit more, shield blocks some damage not a lot on an all red but enough in a tough situation

[limber mason]

well I would not call it dung if it works for you, but yeah imo chest for striker's only worth it if you can keep it up, if your shotgun can cover that reliably for you, then good

[worn imp]

i dont like hologram, striker drone, or shield so what else would be good?

[limber mason]

Ravenous is probably not the ideal gun past 100 stacks cause of the decay of coruse

[urban latch]

I mean... Politely..... From what your describing I think it's the latter

[subtle bluff]

striker chest w/BP is the biggest amp buff in the game but only if you have time to build it and ability to keep it up or use it for a reason.

intimidate - you need to meet all of the requirement for it to work.

obliterate - is great because it's a separate stack to build along side strikers

[frail pine]

it works perfectly

[limber mason]

but if you compensate with shotgun then that's fixed

[white pollen]

(Perfect) Glass Cannon missing here 😎

[worn imp]

On a red build with 2 skill tiers, isnt stinger hive still great?

[subtle bluff]

Here's my answer... There's a simpler way to do good dmg..

[frail pine]

i still dont understand why if i outperform an all red elmo build in pure damage then why wouldnt my build be better?

[limber mason]

Foam is good for priority targets, Turret can do same thing as Striker Drone but it's static but tougher

[worn imp]

i dont enjoy turret sorry

[limber mason]

try traps

[worn imp]

foam is fun tho

@frail pine On a red build with 2 skill tiers, isnt stinger hive still great?

[limber mason]

like electric, it can make reasonably wide areas good for trapping enemies

[frail pine]

i guess it works but if you run solo then reviver is kinda a best in slot

[frail pine]

it is

[limber mason]

only problem most people would have is I guess more maintenance for stacks but really that's not anyone's concern but yours

[worn imp]

For solo play, can reinforcer Chem launcher and Seeker mine be a good combo?

[subtle bluff]

wait you do? You wanna show me in leggo or incursion run?

[urban latch]

You want to show a screenshot of your build? I just want to fully understand the build we are talking about here. My understanding is 4p striker with chest and backpack, Rav, and acs

[limber mason]

reinforcer chem can heal a bit yeah, seeker mine won't do much damage in higher difficulties

[worn imp]

Which one would you prefer for heroic with 2 skill tiers, seeker mine or stinger hive? if you had to choose....

[frail pine]

well i change my shotgun to the best dps weapon in the game then yeah i can outperform the elmo

[subtle bluff]

Solo play normally it's just Shield and Reivier for guys starting. I run Decoy most of the time and either EMP Sticky or a Banshee pulse.. is

[limber mason]

I'd use fire mine or regular stinger if you had to choose only from those

or restorer stinger

[subtle bluff]

Again do you want to show me in-game run?

[worn imp]

is fire mine better than sticky bomb with burn?

[frail pine]

instable had a full red stiker

and elmo

[urban latch]

thats a rough run.....

[subtle bluff]

Swayn was healing?

[limber mason]

fire mine can catch more people and cooldown's faster

sticky lasts longer

[frail pine]

yes

[subtle bluff]

Thought so he would of easily beat you if that what you're talking about here.

[frail pine]

what do you mean?

[worn imp]

Isnt cluster mines pretty great tho?

[limber mason]

won't do a lot of damage at higher difficulties if you're after damage

but it can make enemies stumble or make them run

so it's more for disrupting them than damage

[onyx sage]

what content are you going to run in btw?

[limber mason]

yeah what I am talking about is mostly Heroic

[worn imp]

does stinger hive generally disrupt enemies better?

[limber mason]

if you usually run lower difficulties it can do more damage

[onyx sage]

cuz in legendary or master you'd rather use purely utility skills

[limber mason]

mostly just bleeds them

but won't do a lot of damage

[hexed steppe]

Sticky also hit scan and can instant deploy without missing

[worn imp]

gonna run challenging with 3 directives, open world control points

[hexed steppe]

Way better than mine seeker

[limber mason]

oh yeah good point about sticky, mine is harder to use

just loads faster

[limber mason]

hmm, will likely do ok damage, I forgot how much enemies react to stingers, but for seekers you can usually make em run out

[vestal ibex]

I healed this one.

[frail pine]

nah

thats crazy

[urban latch]

Where did the context go lol

[worn imp]

Which heal skill is better, reinforcer chem launcher or heal hive?

[white pollen]

Just watched it all get deleted 😂

[urban latch]

chem will actually heal you/others much more/quicker, but the hive is key to overcharging

[runic gust]

baffles me i never see it be referred to as Rehive ngl

[onyx sage]

where did all the pics go

[worn imp]

do you get faster heals the more chem heals u drop?

[onyx sage]

no

only the burst heal applies for repeated chems

[worn imp]

does it heal more or less or the same when dropped by double tapping

[onyx sage]

the overtime heal will not stack

[onyx sage]

it's the exact same

the burst heal only applies to teammates btw

[urban latch]

double tapping only drops it at your feet, its the "instant use" shortcut. You can also set a keybinding for it. same skill though

[worn imp]

is heal drone as good as fast as chem launcher heal?

can certain enemies still fight back when on fire?

[vestal ibex]

Naw, heal drone is what you put on an AFK guy to keep them alive.

[urban latch]

you can compare the healing rate when you look at your skills. The major advantage the chem heal has is that burst heal, its huge

[onyx sage]

sometimes, yes

[worn imp]

Which ones?

[onyx sage]

high difficulty enemies (like legendary or hunters) will run to cover and blind fire

[vestal ibex]

Enemies and status like fire/foam can be buggy.

So they can be foamed and just slide along like they are running or sometimes they will be on fire just just keep firing at you as if they aren't.

[onyx sage]

it's their spawn behavior. when they spawn from traditional doors they are wired to make a run to a random but predetermined spot and you simply can't interrupt them while they're in this mode

it affects every enemy

[urban latch]

The chem doesnt specify the rate of that "repair over time", but I dont belive its once per second like the others, I think its per tick so every half second. I could be wrong on that though, and it might be once per second

[next dock]

Should I prioritize health and shield or gun damage? I find myself keeping the same gear on all the time because it would require me to sacrifice a large portion of gun damage to buff my shield by around 200k. Conversely, it increases my gun damage while taking health and shield lower. I use turret and drone to do a lot of damage, and basically play support shooter for them. Should I spec into weapon dmg -or- health/shield more heavily, or keep it like I have been where it's about 130k lmg/smg and 1mil shield and stays in that range?

[magic pilot]

I think it's per tick

[next dock]

I come from destiny where everyone specs into survivability, but I see a lot of people in div2 able to shred enemies before they can do a lot. Was wondering if there's a meta where I should prioritize gear that increases health and shield or I should cling more to increasing my damage output with my guns

[onyx sage]

in this game damage is meta

[urban latch]

are you still leveling to 40 in the story mode?

[onyx sage]

destiny forces you to play in first person and bullets are projectile-based so you can't really avoid damage with positioning, but in here you can

[next dock]

No I'm max level but I'm only about 80 SHD. Usually play challenging with a couple directives on

I'm trying to finish the last 30 levels of the season pass quickly since I can't spend my credits on it, and I want to do it with as little headache as possible. I don't care about those stretch goals, I just want to get to 100. And I want to start by knowing if I should prioritize gun damage or survivability

[magic pilot]

Weapon dmg

[next dock]

Alright. I guess I see where you're coming from, the cover system means you can go awhile without getting hit at all

[marsh birch]

So I'm lvl 34 still going through main campaign should I even bother looking at builds while getting to 40 also sell or deconstruct gear or any future proofing I can do for when I hit 40

[next dock]

So damage output it is

[onyx sage]

you can headglitch in this game too

[magic pilot]

Keep any exotics you get but don't worry about builds yet

I would deconstruct

[onyx sage]

so there is more reason to just base your survival on the environment

[bright raptor]

not really, short of grouping up with level 40 players through backup calls and getting level 40 gear that way there's no real way of future proofing stuff other than exotics

[next dock]

Yup, break down stuff for future mats

Is it dumb to run a specialization and not use the skill it gives? I use the regular turret with the grenade launcher instead of the mortar one

[bright raptor]

nope, it's there as an option but not a must-run

[magic pilot]

Nah it's fine

[bright raptor]

the mortar is extremely strong but it requires a specific build and a specific playstyle that not everyone wants to

i.e. my current playstyle is speedrunning the manhunt scouts while oneshotting most human enemies with a Chiappa Rhino

[next dock]

I figured. I find I have to do a lot solo because not a lot of people have the same activities to do as me, so I use drone and turret to distract enemies and whittle them down

I find myself drawn more to lmg smg than shotgun and marksman even though those have the highest damage I've seen. I just don't know if I could be good with those instead

[onyx sage]

you need specific builds for these, but shotgun and mmr have very high one shot one kill potential with the right builds

full auto weapons are more versatile though

[next dock]

Right now I have new reliable and a police uhhh smg. Looks like a mini uzi. I use the lmg more because I like it but the smg does more damage

Only bad thing about the higher damage lmgs is the mag size

[onyx sage]

your next step would be to farm a striker build, it's your workhorse build for most of the game and you can use this to farm other builds

go to the pinned spreadsheet on this channel, there should be a builds tab, find striker in there

[next dock]

Neat, I appreciate it

I hear a lot about striker in passing

[onyx sage]

for good reason

it's basically THE full auto set

[next dock]

Is there a website that updates daily with quick info? Like fallout 76 has a site with all the stuff you need to know for dailies, special event, nuke launch code puzzle answer, etc that is fan made

[onyx sage]

there are weekly reset vendors i think

[subtle bluff]

There aren't any daily puzzles.

[bright raptor]

https://rubenalamina.mx/the-division-weekly-vendor-reset/

there is however daily target loot, but it's easy to forget that when there's Countdown

[next dock]

I know, just an example of what 76 has. You have to do this long process to get a code to launch a nuke, but there's sites that post the codes for each week. Nuka knights is an example of what I mean

[onyx sage]

yeah we don't have them here. most of the game's content is given out through big patches, the daily stuff is just regular quests that are just clearing this mission or kill that enemy etc. most don't bother with them

there's not much "organic" puzzle solving

[next dock]

I just want to do whatever will level up the season fast so I don't waste the last 20 or so levels

[onyx sage]

there are hunter puzzles for getting hunter masks but those are already solved

you just do priority objectives or just stuff in general

[next dock]

I was wondering about that. Since the prios are under the season tab I guess those are best. I was thinking about projects and daily missions but like you said, I don't get a lot of help when I match for those

[subtle bluff]

I'll be blunt. Play the game and worry about that stuff when it comes.

[next dock]

I started doing match for anything and it's a lot of bounties and control points with a few missions thrown in. But the mission is the same one a lot of the time and not one I have a project or prio for

[marsh birch]

cheers

[marsh birch]

im new whats countdown

[cerulean smelt]

game mode, it's the right (east) of the white house off the map in it's own bubble

[worn imp]

Does gunner ammo regen apply to teammates?

[onyx sage]

yes, but half

for you is 10%, for teammates is 5%

[hasty anvil]

recommended skills for striker solo build? i got hive

[solar sable]

rev hive, crusader shield/foam chem/Jammer Pulse

[cerulean smelt]

i tend to default to revive hive and repair drone

[solar sable]

I see repair drones as emotional support

[hasty anvil]

hows banshee pulse?

[cerulean smelt]

i imagine overcharged it's amazing

[hasty anvil]

might try repair drone

[magic pilot]

I usually go for decoy/emp sticky

Shield+ emp sticky is pretty goated

[hasty anvil]

rev hive will always be a staple for me tbh

good solo and groups

[magic pilot]

Eh

It's a fallback

[hasty anvil]

yea

[hexed steppe]

Overdrive oc +banshee pulse +coils is 😍 .
My main od status proc, emp sticky is pretty epic when its oc as well

Emp sticky good for staggering anything tbh. Even if it's just a second on a heavy npc

[thorny kernel]

Slapped together a half-arsed Bluescreen build, how's it looking?

[hexed steppe]

Go with od chest

[thorny kernel]

Probably going to replace Coyote's with Vile

[hexed steppe]

Trauma just no worth.

No stick with coyote. You build like a crit build and you'll have great dps

Dont eff up the build trying to make it status centric

[thorny kernel]

Aight

I wish i could enable a setting to wear my mask permanently lol

[hexed steppe]

For reference, this is how I run. Wicked or vigilance bag both good

[thorny kernel]

Coyote's just looks too awesome to not wear it all the time

[hexed steppe]

I feel like I'm running stronger dps on this compared to striker, at least this season with the modifiers. No stacking, all damage, procs itself 98% of the time. Personally I like wicked > vigilance after using both a ton

[dire anchor]

what gear is that?

[hexed steppe]

Ongoing directive.
Bleed ammo gear

[dire anchor]

is it meant for lmg?

[cerulean smelt]

the exotic bluescreen just makes it easer to put a status on npcs to get the hollow point bullets initially

[dire anchor]

why is one ongoing looking green but for the other person its blue?

[patent fossil]

Colourblind settings

[dire anchor]

oh

[hexed steppe]

Lmg popular because they have big mags and od fills mag. Ar would get maybe 50, carnage with gunner mag gets 150, bluescreen 200

[subtle bluff]

TBH it's more colors to be able to see stuff we wouldn't see otherwise setting..

[hexed steppe]

It's more the white outlines radius or different skills/explosives

[dire anchor]

i see, guess ill hunt for some of that gear

[hexed steppe]

Colors are only really the menus and drops afaik

[hexed steppe]

It's pretty easy to farm. Go with the OD chest, build for crit so 50chc/all else chd. It's all red main cores so save either good damage rolls or good crit rolls and all gear will be build worthy after recal

[dire anchor]

i got the coyote mask, what backpack is that?

[hexed steppe]

Ceska. It's a Brand that has crit chance set bonus. Universal in a lot of dps

[dire anchor]

okay thank you ☺️

[hexed steppe]

I missed this. You can. Highlight mask > button for options > mask always on

[thorny kernel]

Wha

Funky

[hexed steppe]

If you use a Apparel mask it overrides that setting tho

[thorny kernel]

Yeah i already noticed and took it off lol

[next dock]

What does it mean when a couple of my gear / guns have a shimmer effect going across them every so often

One is my hmg and one is my vest

Sorry backpack

Is it because they have a Perfected talent

[dreamy grotto]

backpack is meh, better to have high end one

[hasty anvil]

is in sync actually worth using?

hmm nvm

[hexed steppe]

Named items

[wary forge]

Did any1 here tested the new pistol brand set on pts?
I want to clarify some things about this set.. and let the other 3 pieces already finished before brooklyn..

[tiny swan]

Been having fun with this build in Heroic Missions...first build I've done that feels like a true hybrid skill build. Still have to play smart but don't feel stuck behind cover. Still get 6 Skill Tiers for the Capacitor, enough armor & health to run Glass Cannon on the chest, rolled everything with skill damage & crit chance/damage...ton of damage with skills and the capacitor

[vestal ibex]

These are a couple fun builds I used to do heroic too.

[cerulean smelt]

you gave me a chuckle thanks soulless

[vestal ibex]

Just out here having fun bro.

[cerulean smelt]

i know you're probably serious, but seeing them both i could imagine

[vestal ibex]

Yeah I've done heroic content on both. Wouldn't recommend you try them unless you want to struggle a bit tho.

Really the lack of armor is the biggest issue with both. One being like 1/6th armor and the other being 1/2 armor.

[cerulean smelt]

nods i can imagine, though i don't think i'd want to suffer much as is XD

i'm hooked on the turmoil knees. got 2 builds with them so far
one i can't stop using which is all high end FMJ build

[vestal ibex]

I'm just not a fan of turmoil. For HH or for crit builds. I feel like the things they help with I don't have issues with, that being target acquisition and swapping targets.

[cerulean smelt]

well, they are extremely bugged atm too, so i'm just having fun with them currently. wonder how many reports i've gotten with new players not knowing they exist and see i clear a spawn room a bit faster than normal

[vestal ibex]

Not really bugged just a bit of double dipping, for HH yeah it's kinda bugged and I doubt they'll do much with them considering determined.

[cerulean smelt]

well, the 2 bugged things about them is the 100% damage 1v1 on them and the 50% transfer isn't exactly 50% it seems

[vestal ibex]

Yeah and the other bug makes them not worth, the chunga no damage transfer or you'll transfer to a dead chungas armor doing just 50% damage.

[tulip gulch]

I’ve been using the st Elmo’s on the right and just got the left one… should I re roll the left one or just optimize it to max

[cerulean smelt]

id say optimize the selected with dtooc

[tulip gulch]

Sounds good thanks

[shy willow]

They're busted on headhunter imo

Haven't done extensive testing but the transfer damage seems to go straight through plating

And you get a 2 for 1 discount on every round provided you can get your stacks up

[cerulean smelt]

i noticed that once and i was like no way and never seen it again

[magic rapids]

What is a good skill build?

[vestal ibex]

On dogs, not chungas

[shy willow]

Damn it

[vestal ibex]

Yeah I feel like the second part of this statement says it all tho

[shy willow]

Yeah stacking up is extremely painful

[cerulean smelt]

i suck at headshots

[hasty anvil]

should i toss obliterate for unbreakable?

[vestal ibex]

If you are moslty blue otherwise unbreakable gonna give you nothing when you procc.

[hasty anvil]

i dont see anywhere it requires blue

[shy willow]

Not literally requires blue but it's not worth running if you're mostly red

It scales based off your armour

[hasty anvil]

just looking for survivability imo

im mostly red

[shy willow]

Just run exodus

[hasty anvil]

cant

already got coyote

[shy willow]

You can just ditch it for exodus

[hasty anvil]

i dont have it anyway]

[shy willow]

Sacrifice a slither of damage for a get out of jail free card every 30-40 seconds

[shy willow]

Guaranteed drop early on in the season pass

It's on 5xp for a couple more hours iirc

[hasty anvil]

oh wait

i have that

ehh

a smoke bomb doesnt sound all that much

[vestal ibex]

When that happens if you swap weapon it'll fill your armor up.

[hasty anvil]

ok

[hasty anvil]

that didnt happen

[shy willow]

It's pretty consistent

[cerulean smelt]

you fired shortlya fter didn't you?

[hasty anvil]

shor what now?

[shy willow]

It's not just the smoke but the fact you get put out of combat for 3 seconds

Allows for full regen and gives you a window to reposition

Very good accessory to squishy DPS type builds

[cerulean smelt]

but if you fire after the smoke bomb you get put back in the fight without much armor regen

[hasty anvil]

no i just swapped weapons

im using shooting range rn

to test

[cerulean smelt]

well, shooting range is tough to test it i think, not sure if the harm self button would trigger it

[vestal ibex]

Breh

https://youtu.be/CYKOj_w0u1w?si=sEXsvhnqug9PagAx

Examples can be seen in here

Very first proc of it you can see it in action. Like 40 seconds in.

[hasty anvil]

ok i tested it

works as intended

[subtle bluff]

Need to be more specific, than just good. If you search my name here for images I post one that's more of a hybrid.

[magic rapids]

i have a build from before i quit the game 2 years ago
it had capacitator , waveform ,kinetic momentum ,and techsupport

is there an updated version of it?

[shy willow]

skill meta is pretty stagnant

though refactor exists now which id consider much more helpful in a team composition

[subtle bluff]

Do I need to do everything? 😐

[subtle bluff]

#td2-build-advice message
It is not anything special but it is by far better than any HE turret/drone build.

[cerulean smelt]

yes, we're helpless without you, average player and soulless (> <)

[dreamy valve]

Exodus is great with glass cannon bahahaha!

[thorny kernel]

How well would a Pesti/4xOD/Vile build perform in PvE?

[subtle bluff]

Pesti tick is not a Status Effect.

[thorny kernel]

OD gives hollowpoint ammo which triggers bleed

I forgot the conditions to receive the hollowpoint ammo tho

[subtle bluff]

Yes but the DOT from OD isn't very high vs other status effects.

My issue with this build is that the pesti build it'll tick for over a mill

[thorny kernel]

What would said pesti build look like?

[shy willow]

Surprisingly well

[subtle bluff]

I haven't updated this for a bit but the base idea.

[subtle bluff]

The thought feels wrong.. Someone give me proof..

Like I know what the build would be.. but.. 😐

[shy willow]

iirc it's on par with non chest striker

[thorny kernel]

I'll just go ahead and give it a try later

[thorny kernel]

Backbone is a named backpack i assume?

[thorny kernel]

Also what website or app did you use to make this?

[subtle bluff]

Basically this right?

[subtle bluff]

There's a few version of how to build pesti but yes.

It requires a lot of prefect rolls.

The version I posted is the easiest of all of them.

[thorny kernel]

Uhhh I'm pretty sure Bluescreen is a Stoner and not whatever this page lists it as

[subtle bluff]

KAC is a Stoner...

[subtle bluff]

buildstation.app
It's very much in beta and there's a lot incorrect a lot of things.

[thorny kernel]

Wait it is? I wasn't aware of that lol

[subtle bluff]

KAC is "Knight's Armament Company" is the maker of the Stoner LMG.

[thorny kernel]

Interesting, guess i learned a new thing today lol

[thorny kernel]

This is what i came up with for that

Using Contractors and OD Chest instead of Sacrifice because i don't like the increase to damage taken from Glass Cannom

[subtle bluff]

No you would do Status Effect your bleeds without Status Effect are too weak.

[thorny kernel]

I'm still working on it, i was just putting the base thing together until now

[subtle bluff]

Glass Cannon Amps All output dmg.

[thorny kernel]

Yeah but I'm squishy enough without it already lol

[subtle bluff]

You're mixing 3 types of way of damages....

It's not like you need to shoot a lot.

You can try your build idea but you're dmg output will be low.

Vile Dot is a Status Effect too.

The point of the Vile, OD Bleed and Pesti is all about the 3 DOT dmg ticks.

[thorny kernel]

So i should probably replace the crit stuffs on the armor pieces with status effect attributes?

[subtle bluff]

You get the build idea now right?

[subtle bluff]

The chest doesn't need to PGC but it should be GC talent at min.

[thorny kernel]

What if i go with PGC and put Armor-On-Kill on some pieces?

[subtle bluff]

Gear mods?

[thorny kernel]

Ye

[subtle bluff]

I guess you could but it's not a lot of Armor.

PFE would be better imo

I put on PGC because it's just easier to farm.

[thorny kernel]

Protection from Elites?

Gotcha

Do all pieces get PFE or should i do part this and part something else?

[subtle bluff]

The mods are kind of w/e there no like great or prefect Gear mods for this build.

[thorny kernel]

I'll just go part AOK and part PFE then

[subtle bluff]

AoK is what less 5k armor right?

You should have around 740k armor 5k armor isn't much at all.

[thorny kernel]

AoK on contractors seems % based, at least according to the build maker here

[subtle bluff]

AGAIN that's beta

You cannot do that actually.

[thorny kernel]

Ah

[subtle bluff]

There are A LOT of incorrect things in there

[thorny kernel]

Yeah no I'll just go with another status effects thing

[subtle bluff]

uh?

[thorny kernel]

if things go sideways i can just go in cover and plop down a reinforcer chem thing or something

[subtle bluff]

Use MX builder all the stuff for it same for this build

[thorny kernel]

New version

[subtle bluff]

Again.. No OD chest

It doesn't help the build really

[thorny kernel]

Shit i forgot to replace that

[subtle bluff]

You do not care about WD DPS really

1st: Status Effect
2nd: THings that can AMP said Status Effect
3rd: Then stuff that buff Pesti tick

Also remember you need to proc and get OD.

[thorny kernel]

But pesti ticks scale off of weapon damage don't they?

[subtle bluff]

Yes....

But it's not your primary goal to build.

[thorny kernel]

Shit i gotta rebuild the whole thing because i accidentally reloaded the page

[subtle bluff]

Use MX build it update to this build.

[subtle bluff]

I'd suggest you do something like this first to learn how OD works then work into the other ones. You don't need to do rifles and foxes.

[thorny kernel]

To get Fox Prayer i could probably do Countdown/Summit with either kneepads or Overlord Armaments as target loot?

[subtle bluff]

Do you have Coyotes already?

[thorny kernel]

The mask? Yes

[subtle bluff]

Just use that

the weapon can be any weapon with Sadist

[thorny kernel]

Ok

[subtle bluff]

skills can be w/e some are better to start OD

[bright raptor]

Target Overlord, named gear pieces always should have their brand targeted

[thorny kernel]

Gotcha

Okay another thing.

With Kenley College reopening (i think today), i want to make a rifle build for the Diamondback. Any suggestions for that?

[subtle bluff]

Nego is pretty cool to use with it. Otherwise idk.

[thorny kernel]

Negotiators Dilemma?

Also sorry if i ask too much, I'm just trying to make sure i actually understand what you're saying lol

[subtle bluff]

I'm bad a spellling and lazy to do it. So no worries.

You've been really good an listening and asking the right question

[thorny kernel]

Should i use Orbit as sidearm for this?

[subtle bluff]

Sure.

TDI Kard is I think better so you can use a higher Teir skill

[thorny kernel]

Also this is probably another case where i should use Coyote's

I was thinking Coyotes, ND Backpack and Chest and 2 more, then something that buffs rifle damage

[subtle bluff]

Don't use ND chest.

[thorny kernel]

Maybe Chainkiller then?

[subtle bluff]

You don't need that much damage with ND

Read diamond back

[thorny kernel]

Okay so i don't have to buff CHC since Diamondback guarantees crits

[subtle bluff]

You get it now

[thorny kernel]

This also means that Coyote's is probably more or less obsolete as well

[subtle bluff]

Eh it's still good extra CHD

[thorny kernel]

Okay I'll keep it in for now

[subtle bluff]

IDK how you do the build @hexed steppe is the ND player here.

Most of my builds and theory are for end-game content.

Do remember build are helpful but if you can't match the playstyle to play the build it isn't gonna be great.

[thorny kernel]

How's this?

https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/aq5LQfkq

Probably going to replace Fixer and Crusader with Reinforcer and something else

[subtle bluff]

Chainkill doesn't work with ND

You there are guides in the Pinned Message

I'm logging off.

[thorny kernel]

Do Companion and Perfect Companion also trigger when i have a shield in my hand?

[urban latch]

no

[thorny kernel]

My Striker's Battlegear build

https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/LfJYjJCd

Using Lefty until i get Rock'N'Roll tho

[limber mason]

I would get more Crit Damage instead of Crit Chance since Ouroboros does have the big bonus from its stats

[magic rapids]

just to double check
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19QJV66vqREDim4BKtW5qffSmsgN02tMd5LiuwUuJdGY/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.7vfhmvazeq14
did anything new happen to this gear set in the last season?
because the guide says it isnt fully up to date

[hexed steppe]

should be good for next season. i wrote this a few days ago. it may just say an earier revision on the cover sheet

there may be some adjustments to weapons/gear when y7s1 drops. primarily for exo mask and weapon talents due to abridged talent.

[magic rapids]

thanks for the quick answer
is there a certain reason i would pick refactor over regular or vice versa?

[worn mango]

Ability to farm/craft. Could always get one going that's easier and then work towards another

And fundamentally offering different gameplay

[hexed steppe]

personally, i feel refactor is better in a team environment, and HE is better solo. i run armor on kill on my highend turret/drone so it acts similar to refactor anyways.

at the end of the day they are pretty close tho

[magic rapids]

i mostly play the game with 1 other person or alone
so i guess the high end might be simpler
3p empress
2p hanna
1 waveform
correct?

[hexed steppe]

pretty much. you can sub in wyvern for waveform if needed/wanted. i usually run gunner/palisades since already skilltier 6 and i like that armor on kill constantly topping me off

[worn mango]

I never understood the whole drone/turret. I feel it just doesn't do enough

I hate yucking someones yum but I go into some random matchmaking on heroic missions and the amount of skills I see is crazy lol

[hexed steppe]

Tbh skills more than capable in the right hands. You'll get solid damage out of turret drone if you are actively buffing with your weapons as opposed to walking away to grab a coffee 😅

On mortar setup I'll definitely be on par or exceed damage output of dps I'm grouped with.

[worn mango]

It's just every time I use it I'm like "I could be killing them faster and moving through this generally faster" lol

[vestal ibex]

Yeah as a DPS I can double or triple others but I don't see people with skill builds doing the same but I expect to carry MM as it's the wild west and I don't think it's the best measuring stick ever. I'd just say let the average clear times you can do with a build speak and dw about the rest and if you are having fun while not negatively impacting others then have at.

[worn mango]

Like playing a kamikaze medic hoping people die so you can use Birdie's lol

[shy willow]

"Its a genius solution to a problem that shouldn't have existed in the first place"

[worn mango]

lol love it

[magic rapids]

is this a good roll for capacitor

[worn mango]

You'll want damage to targets out of cover on the third roll

[hexed steppe]

Your experience isnt like a typical agents skillset. As a speed runner I expect to see your numbers trumping other agents including dps.

[onyx sage]

as an average player i just think that's cheating

[hexed steppe]

Checks out ✅

[vestal ibex]

Exactly, MM isn't a sufficient measuring tool. The only good measure would be running a mission and looking at the time on heroic/legendary cause the only variable is your build at that point.

[magic pilot]

Downs/ time

Downs is more about positioning and knowing what spawns in each section

[subtle bluff]

All weapons should DTTooC

[urban latch]

You saying my purple build isn't as good as I think it is?

[patent fossil]

If you routinely top-score in mm missions, does it matter?

[coral reef]

"damage to targets out of cover" means that the enemies are out of cover, or that I am out of cover?

[onyx sage]

enemies

[urban latch]

YES

[patent fossil]

But is it fun? Would it be more fun if you were clearing content faster? 🤔

[onyx sage]

no, clearing content faster means i play the game less, so the game has less value to me

i use gray gear build to maximize my game time

[vestal ibex]

I've seen the purple vs MM after actions...

[patent fossil]

You enjoy the challenge of soloing legendaries, maybe Raucey enjoys the challenge of top-scoring with a purple build? Fun is what you make of it, as long as you're not spoiling someone else's fun

[onyx sage]

okay but Raucey plays the game too much to be a normal player, i play only on the weekends and have a family to feed

[thorny kernel]

Is Ouro stuck with swap speed as the 3rd attribute? I wanted to put dttooc on it but it says it can't be recalibrated

[patent fossil]

Sure, but the answers to this question ^ and the one above it are going to be unique to each player. I'm by no means suggesting everyone should be fine with a purple build, or be recommending it to others

[patent fossil]

You can't recalibrate exotics, you have to reconfigure them at the crafting bench, which will reroll all the stats at random.

[thorny kernel]

Aight, I'll try that

Yep, just got dttooc on it after a few tries

What'd be the best talent for a Custom M870 MCS?

[patent fossil]

Brazen probably

[hexed steppe]

Measuring only against top speed runners is not an accurate measure of the community in generally. You and I both know there is a lot of strategy/spawn trapping, build synergy, and knowing what build to run in any given section all make a difference overall.
On the contrary matchmaking is actually a great measure of the community average as you'll run into all types of agents.
One concession all grant tho... as a mortar main and using skill builds a lot in general, my spawn knowledge/strategy using those type of builds also skews my results.
It's just better to say both ways one runs are viable and either can have the edge in after action reports.
It's no reason to relegate something to just being a bad build.
I've seen plenty of dps taking a nap while I'm dropping mortars and reviving at the same time...

We arent talking raid, countdown, or incursion with turret/drone

[thorny kernel]

At that point, should i just try to get Thorn?

That'd be a Spas-12 though but i don't mind that

[patent fossil]

AveragePlayer would probably be the best one to ask, I'm not really up to date on current shotgun rankings

Or one of the other build experts here

[fair dragon]

Thorn is good enough, but it's the handling of the gun that sets it apart from others like the M870. For me, Thorn's pellet spread feels off

[onyx sage]

if you're not doing headhunter shotgun it doesn't really matter, thorn's pellet spread doesn't matter that much for bodyshots

you will still feel the lack of handling from the missing mod slots though, m870 has more mod slots that let you boost handling and reload speed or rate of fire etc.

i also want to know if you want a shotgun for a crit build or headshot build