td2-build-advice

[onyx sage]

this is what you want to learn yeah

[worthy kraken]

how do u level up ur skills, like the number next to them when u deploy them and how to u level up ur experitsE?

[cerulean smelt]

you
A: use skills, gears and weapons like you normally do and gain expertise experience
B: mark gears and weapons as junk, go into the expertise menu and donate junk
C: crunch every gear/weapon/skills and then go into the expertise menu and find the donate materials and go weep in a corner

oh D: level 4 characters to 40 and utilize the SHD Scavenging points to donate the materials to expertise and weep in a corner questioning your sanity

[hazy steeple]

E: realise that because your SHD is low, you wasted all that time levelling them up

[worthy kraken]

where is the expertise menu

that is what i cant find

[cerulean smelt]

if on pc hit I then M

[patent fossil]

it's one of the tabs in the tinkering menu

you can also access it through the recalibration table

[worthy kraken]

so ultimately, what should I use in a raid as of now? I got a striker set with all the talents and almost max rolled on everything, or an HE set with bad talents on chest and backpack

[flat halo]

Ok I’m getting melted with my striker gear, I need a good build lol

[urban latch]

If your striker build is prepared and HE is not then use the striker. Both are worth running depending on the situation/role/boss

[urban latch]

What does your build actually look like? Strikers is one of the top builds already when done correctly

[flat halo]

All red, with 5% CH gear mods

[worthy kraken]

this is the striker build

and this is the HE one

keep in mind i ve only been playing since saturday so

i ll still improve both but I kinda wanna se how the raids are like cuz so far I loved every single mission

[junior surge]

The striker one looks good. I'd consider maybe switching to demolitionist for the explosion protection every 60 secs (can help you stay alive sometimes), and also the grenade launcher can be useful on razorback.

[quasi geyser]

is there any point to using Pressure Point over Sadist ?

[patent fossil]

if you're running ongoing directive or something else that guarantees bleed then no, sadist is just stronger

[magic pilot]

theres not much use for pressure point in general atm

[worthy kraken]

how do u bleed enemies?

[quasi geyser]

i meant in general is there any point to using Pressure Point not just sadist like, Ignited, Thunder Strike because its not stacking that 20% so its seems useless

[versed glacier]

Well you apply the status effect with hollow point rounds in the Ongoing directive set.
You can use seeker mine and arty turret and stinger hive as well.
But if you go with bleed from skills, you are probably going for status effects rather than increased weapon dmg.

I have just yesterday made a build with the Bluescreen LMG and Ongoing directive for countdown. 20% more dmg for the whole team is pretty nice.

[worthy kraken]

what can be improved on the striker build?

should I go and no life for a coyote mask with better rolls?

or no life for an elmo with DTTOOC?

[solar sable]

Reconfigure your Elmo's to dtoc instead, coyote's fine

[worthy kraken]

wait reconfigure as in

farm some more elmos. correct?

i cant change the attributes on exotic weapons

or am I mistaken

[brittle drift]

I think you can only craft one risking bad rng

[urban latch]

You can't recalibrate/tinker exotics, but you can recraft them until you get the third roll you want

[worthy kraken]

wait

craft exotics????????

[brittle drift]

Yes but the old weapon is gone. So you might get worse roll

[worthy kraken]

i have 2 elmos

but i dont know where inaya is

i have to go to her and do something

[patent fossil]

in the white house, ground floor, on the left by the crafting bench

[worthy kraken]

found it

im gonna roll it, it s gonna use the elmo I have in my inventory not the one equipped right?

the quality of my bench is not high enough it seems

[solar sable]

you can't craft exotics unless they're a project reward.

It's called reconfiguration.

[solar sable]

It has to be High End

[worthy kraken]

how do i upgrade it? game never told me that

oh

i just saw

but that's a whole lot of cash

[solar sable]

sell junk

[vestal ibex]

It's like 1 scavenge watch point.

[worthy kraken]

ah, reload speed

unfortunate

wait, but i can keep doing it

oh i still have 2 exotic components, I guess I should use them since it s my main weapon

unlucky, back to legendary summit till I see another elmo

[solar sable]

why legendary???

[worthy kraken]

some1 told me it has better drops

[solar sable]

You're overcomplicating things a lil too much running Legendary Summit.

Run Challenging Countdown with AR TL instead, it's easier and less frustrating.

[patent fossil]

or just run priority objectives for exotic rewards, if you don't get an elmo you'll at least get some more exotic components to reroll it with

[solar sable]

true

[worthy kraken]

what are priority objectives

[solar sable]

Esc > Seasons Panel > Prio Objectives.

[sudden solstice]

is it better to run stability or accuracy mods on MRs like handbasket

[subtle bluff]

stability on MMR.

[earnest dagger]

i know the AR's are pretty balanced for wsich one you can choose what about the SMG's are they balanced aswell or are some way better then others?

[worthy kraken]

i spent all my luck for a couple of weeks

[solar sable]

holy smokes

[solar sable]

some are better than others
smg 9 and vector for example

[sharp hull]

Hey, I'm looking for explosive build stup as tech. I have one but doesn't seem to be doing drastic DMG on legendary difficulties

[worthy kraken]

how much CHC CHD should u get in a striker build?

Im at 50 - 110

• using coyote

[solar sable]

around 55/115-120+

[worthy kraken]

Im guessing im gonna get the rest from watch level

cuz I have max rolls on all attributes

except maybe 2 chc and 3-4 CHD

how much CHC and CHD does watch level give

i can calculate myself nvm

oh so im missing a lot of CHD, 20 from watch is quite a lot

and 10 CHC is just perfect

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, tech doesn't really boost any explosive damage

[magic pilot]

no scratch offs for you

[worthy kraken]

what is the haz abreviation for?

[cerulean smelt]

hazard protection

[solid kayak]

heh memento with pest and 4 set hunters fury... rofl

pew pew

[hazy hull]

Putting together a skill build on a new character any advice

[worthy kraken]

whats the rest of the build?

[cerulean smelt]

well, considering it's 5 pieces there probably fox's or contractor's

[subtle bluff]

BiS would be a Ceska w/Obi

[cerulean smelt]

pestilence with hunter's fury?

[subtle bluff]

that Chest is BiS for a lot stuff.

You need CHC and Obi just works well.
HF with Pesti is very meh.

[solid kayak]

i only really play on hard so pest basically eats through most things

hmm i seen the heavy tank build on reddit... and i dont do dz much is there any substitute for pistol from the kard custom? im using a normal kard pistol

[magic pilot]

Not really, just use whatever you want

[solid kayak]

thx, still beating myself up i sharded both lexingtons i got back when for the stats before realising wouldnt be able to get it again

[signal pelican]

I'm thinking of making a raid build. I have 500 shd level I max cc and cd

[solar sable]

max crowd control?

[glad heart]

max crit chance and crit damage.... I did not make that post, but it is obvious.

[solar sable]

oh looks like I forgot to put /s

[hazy steeple]

@glad heart It's best to use CHC and CHD for crit chance and crit damage, respectively.
As it can get very confusing if people use different terms, those are the ones we use "here".

[subtle bluff]

CHC - Crit Hit Chance
CHD - Crit Hit Dmg
CC - Crowd Control
CD - Cooldown
To note. Meh.

[hazy steeple]

CD = countdown
cqb = close quarter battle (that ones used ingame, I prefer cqc but there we are)

[subtle bluff]

ya.... both for CD context usually kind helps there tho.

[hazy steeple]

"my CD in CD is helped by my BP, which I needed to farm out the BP for in a CP, which are in the LZ and not the DZ".

What confusing mess of terms, you didn't see anything.

[slate cloud]

I'm looking through the sheet 2 currently and I can't find an explanation for what "LZ" means in context of drop location any help?

[cerulean smelt]

Light zone = player vs environment or pve

[civic turret]

Should probably ask in the right place this time---is DTTOC best in slot for Regulus?

I'd imagine headshot is probably the better option, but not sure.

[worthy kraken]

wait so lexington is still in the game but only for those that droped it when it was available correcT?

[plain girder]

Whats the current highest RPM lmg rn?

[solar sable]

yeah

[worthy kraken]

Is it ok in PVP in DZ if I have 2/3 max rolled

Im going for armor hsd haz

And I will have armor and hsd maxed

But haz will be at 7-9

[violet smelt]

Hi. For ongoing directive backpack (increase bleed duration & damage by 100%)
Is it only for me or my teammates too?

[sand meteor]

think it's for teammates as well

[dreamy valve]

Guys, would Refractor chest heal more than glass cannon chest? Or Kinetic Momentum

[native wolf]

can i make a hard wired build from lvl 31 to 40?

[solar sable]

no

[native wolf]

empress it is then ^^

[solar sable]

builds below lvl40 are useless

[native wolf]

no

[solar sable]

wait, do you mean to make the same build from lvl30 at lvl40?

If yes then yes

[native wolf]

making my mules and wanted a hard wired build for that. but i dont think its possible or i just dont have the know how

[solar sable]

You go straight from 30 to 40, you can't stay stuck at 30 anymore.

[native wolf]

i know. its going to be a build i can make all my future muloes with yeno

[onyx sage]

only for you

[violet smelt]

Meh. I was going to make a build for team support. I guess other backpacks is better
Thanks for the info!

[stiff jasper]

Only you

[glossy scarab]

Lol I was actually just testing that out of pure curiosity and that backpack doesn't do anything worth a damn

If you want to have DPS anyway. There's probably a status way to help a team out who knows

[bright raptor]

The bleed status itself doesn't crowd control the way being set on fire or riot foamed does, so the Ongoing bag indeed doesn't help

[subtle bluff]

OD BP is bad period.

[worthy kraken]

in what order should I optimize my stats?

[noble dirge]

Weapon Damage, then CHC, especially if you plan on using that with an SMG.

[worthy kraken]

AR

i have 50 chc with coyotee and 160 CHD

[hazy steeple]

Weapon Damage is pretty much the least important stat on any gear item.

since your CHD is done, you may as well finish off the crit stats (CHC).

[noble dirge]

Then do CHC, as Riven suggested

I thought you had 60% already

[worthy kraken]

I dont really wanna run 60 tbh

i think 55 is fine no bcs i usually see veryone runing coyotee

and most of the time i proc mid or close range buff

but yeah my watch level is only 5/50 in crit

so im gonna get 8 chc from watch only

9 i mean

[noble dirge]

That's fair.

[worthy kraken]

just takes time, what level is ur watch full?

[worthy kraken]

oh wow ok

[noble dirge]

All bonuses like Critical stop at 1000, Health bonuses stop at 2000.

[worthy kraken]

aight

isnt the backpack better with 13% HSD from 1 piece providence instead of 5% weapon damage?

[shy willow]

Weapon damage on a blue build has a fairly big impact

Bighorn + all the HSD attributes especially means you get more value out of WD

That and perf ad rush is really good

[civic turret]

Got this to drop from Descent/reconstructed cache last night.

Huge fan.

[glossy scarab]

It's a good piece. I've been looking for one with chc/chd that I can roll to armor core for so many years

[worthy kraken]

arent the attributes hsd/haz

or this is for a different build

[vestal ibex]

Matador is used for PVP and is CHC/CHD so you can roll armor core.

For something like stagger tank you just need a blue core and ad rush really. Can have some pretty scuff stuff for stagger tbh.

[cobalt narwhal]

Morning yall, anyone have skill builds they'd recommend. I'm looking for a change up as I don't usually build into skills. Currently working on a Vile Mask/capacitor skill build I saw from KamikazeVonDoom from 3 months ago that looked interesting. Grenadier spec, Skill Damage and Status effect on everything, and sticky fire.

I think it was 3 china light and 2 grupo.

I have no idea what I'm doing as far as skill gear so any suggestions are appreciated

[summer flower]

It’s bc of the 3% more armor u get per enemy, up at a max of 9%

[vestal ibex]

The pinned spreadsheet in this channel has a bunch of good ones on the Hub(builds) tab. You sound like you are on the path to the mortar build that @hexed steppe promotes. The other really good one is EP fire and that's in the spreadsheet I mentioned earlier.

Both of these are more active skill builds where you shooting and doing something influences the effectiveness of the skills too.

[fresh fox]

different build

both the hsd/haz and chc/chd ones are used

[cobalt narwhal]

Okay I'll take a look for those then, is survivability typically an issue with skill builds in PvE?

[hexed steppe]

No

[magic pilot]

Survivability usually depends on how fast you can kill things

[hexed steppe]

Pve skill , stay in cover

Even with my mortar build you stay in cover

[cobalt narwhal]

"Till mortar do us part" is an intense name lol

[cobalt narwhal]

Alright definitely interested is info on that pinned somewhere

[hexed steppe]

Yes. I have a guide mortar pca/btsu

[magic pilot]

It's literally just because @hexed steppe is so dedicated to mortar

[hexed steppe]

Ita also in my profile

[magic pilot]

I used to be pvp guy, then before that I was chameleon deconstructor

[hexed steppe]

Even when I'm working in a different state😉

[vestal ibex]

You can play these builds out of cover and it's much more fun imo.

Fire EP is probably the most fun thing skill wise to me.

[magic pilot]

@onyx sage runs no shield and plays very cqc

[onyx sage]

i JUST got on this chat to lurk

[magic pilot]

Lmao

[cobalt narwhal]

Can you clarify if I'm looking at this wrong? The link in your profile "Mortar Supremacy" but the top half references a pistol build with memento BP and in the bottom half the mortar build displaying the grenadier spec, btsu gloves, and capacitor are used in the image, talents, and usage descriptions. This right?

[cerulean smelt]

nods was disappointed with that latest gearset that makes the fire turret spin 360 degrees. was hoping a Firecrest 2.0 but tried it and was like that it? kicks rocks

[vestal ibex]

Yeah the cooldown on that turret is just way too long.

[hexed steppe]

Ok, I flubbed up my guide. Apologies on that. ill correct it when I'm back home next weekend.

The jist is btsu gloves, force multiplier named hanna bag,
2 skill damage grupo w/ skilltier. China piece , skilldamage skilltier sacrifice named chest

Capacitor and insync mop

[dreamy valve]

Gunna try out a Redfractor build

[azure plank]

@onyx sage Hi, So I like this build but I love my drone and turret it help me to clear the base automatic. so confuse wht should I put

[onyx sage]

most would use gunner

[azure plank]

But then I won't get the +1 skill tier right?

So my skills will be weaker?

[placid latch]

So why using striker ?

[onyx sage]

you don't need to use skills

the overall build is focused on gun damage

[azure plank]

I like to put damage too

[placid latch]

If you want to use skill, use brand and gear set that amp your skill

[onyx sage]

do one thing and do it well

[placid latch]

he is right

[azure plank]

incase sometimes whenever I act like main character enemeis give me so much damage and that moment I deploy drone

[azure plank]

Oh thanks for the help

[placid latch]

You should never feel like the main character because armor doesn't mean much

That's what field awareness are for

And the best shield in the game are the cover

[azure plank]

I don't focus on armor after learning a little bit of game, but was thinking about at least 1 or 2 skill tier so I don't have to do much when I get so much hit or so much heavy enemies around me. That's why I was asking

[placid latch]

If you want to feel like the main character, you should use SMG with striker or Hunter Fury build on close range

[winter rune]

is farming for named gear by completing heroic main mission where this brand is targeted loot effective? and if it is, is it better with invasion or without (with invasion there are more bosses and more loot)?

[onyx sage]

it's the same

[winter rune]

wdym

[onyx sage]

you don't need those skill tiers with a gun damage build

[onyx sage]

it doesn't matter whether you do invasion or not

[azure plank]

Got it

[onyx sage]

most invaded missions have the same number of bosses anyway

[winter rune]

k, it showed me more rewards for some reason, but what about first question?

[onyx sage]

they don't have any boosted drop rates or anything

[onyx sage]

countdown

just countdown

[winter rune]

bruh

[onyx sage]

it should be obvious

[winter rune]

ok

[placid latch]

Know that playing close range is the most difficult game play and ask you to be very mindfull of your surrounding so you don't get flanked to death

[onyx sage]

main character moment:

[winter rune]

it says its intended for 8 players but im solo

[onyx sage]

matchmake

[winter rune]

thats boring

[solar sable]

how can the average player do this

[placid latch]

The easiest to the most difficult: Skill build (do nothing and lets the skill do the work), sniper, middle ranged build, close ranged build

[onyx sage]

well you asked the most effective method it is the most effective method

[winter rune]

ok

[azure plank]

so sidearm do the job while primary and secondary relaxing. Amazing build

[placid latch]

Skill play

[placid latch]

erm, this is Ravenous Regulus gameplay

Edit: Thanks @onyx sage . I always mix them (probably because I don't use them)

[onyx sage]

regulus but yeah

[placid latch]

ooofff

[onyx sage]

you can use primary and secondary in this build too, sometimes you do need them

[azure plank]

I need to build e sidearm build so I can use that sidearm to collect ammo. Just wanted to get 100% XP with directives open world

[onyx sage]

but fastest killing for common enemies would be using regulus

[azure plank]

Right now doing this, with that build, using bullet king so no reload pain. But want to add pistolero so it will go to 100%

[placid latch]

I always get it wrong between those two

[placid latch]

add Fragile Armor and start to use those damned health pack

I removed most of my directive with my Hot Shot build because my friend build doesn't suit well while full directive

[dreamy grotto]

Hey there, returning player here. i see they added some new sets and have a question regarded of ortiz set
Does burn damage bonus from it addictive with status effect? or multiplicative?

[onyx sage]

it adds to skill damage

[magic pilot]

You aren't even getting +1 skill tier rn

[magic pilot]

Duo and no oxi is crazy

[onyx sage]

too lazy

[magic pilot]

Fair

[neat fjord]

Hey, any build with this weapon Agents?

[azure plank]

but the technician giving me 1+ skill tier, and when I deploy drone I can skill skill tier 1 icon

[onyx sage]

he's saying you're actually running demo in the picture

[bright raptor]

literally any standard weapon DPS build

but you want to use a damage talent other than Eyeless, ideally you want one with (sigh) damage to out of cover so you can transfer on any damage talent

Boomerang is favored for crit setups, Flatline if you're doing Spotter or Heartbreaker

[magic pilot]

The technician is here in the room with us?

[hoary sail]

u don't have DTTOC on it. Useless. Try too find one with it

[cobalt narwhal]

Dang I had a mop yesterday I think I scrapped it but I'll double check, any other shottys with In sync work?

[onyx sage]

any shotty works, yes

[placid latch]

Mop got more Damage To Armor ?

[vestal ibex]

Less in fact.

Mops named weapon thing is AOK on it's second attribute so it doesn't have DTA there. was wrong about that it's on the third line so it has normie DTA

[junior surge]

Nah, the aok is third

[vestal ibex]

It is?

[junior surge]

It still has 12% dta

[onyx sage]

ye still 12%

[vestal ibex]

til

[onyx sage]

mop is shotgun damage, 12% dta and 10% aok

[junior surge]

Can't have dttooc on it though ofc

[onyx sage]

yep which is why people don't run mop with oxi

but for burn or mortar it's a popular option because you might as well use the 10% aok

[vestal ibex]

I'm out here using cap so I can get more damage lol

[onyx sage]

that's fine too

[vestal ibex]

You're fine.

[onyx sage]

no I'm just average

[hexed steppe]

Yep the idea with capacitor and shotgun is both max out @ 12% damage to armor, which improves mortar damage to armored targets

Tbh for min/max you'll keep capacitor stacked. Insync is great on cold shots tho so you get at least get a 30-40% boost from a single hit (reg/perf insync)

[glossy scarab]

wonder if this could have any use in a healer build. im too tired to try putting one together right now tho

[onyx sage]

not really in pve since you don't need more healing there

[worthy kraken]

Hi lads, opinions on this ideea of mine for a Bighorn hsd PVP build in DZ?
fox - blue hsd
contractor - red hsd
3 piece gila blue haz hsd
and catharsis

Im worried it might not be enough haz resistance

[glossy scarab]

this just dropped for me at DCD hq. i thought it was only gonna be from the loot goblin

[onyx sage]

what enemy did it drop from?

[glossy scarab]

no one special

[kindred mango]

Maybe completed day 7 ?

[junior surge]

Was your inventory full by any chance? Maybe you just picked up an egg, completing the project and getting the gun dropped on the ground.

[magic pilot]

Yea the project resets daily

I'm assuming that's what happened

Dtooc is goated tho

[glossy scarab]

oh yeah i got all the eggs again by accident

thats how i got it

[fair dragon]

Waaaait so I wasn't the only one who thought that

[cerulean smelt]

is DCD MMR target loot?

[fair dragon]

I don't remember, I just noticed it was in my inventory after completing DCD

[cerulean smelt]

ah nope, DCD is holsters interesting though

[vale sapphire]

can you find the honey badger (blue/ specialized) while leveling? currently level 15?

[cerulean smelt]

i feel it might be one of those "you have to obtain it via the project" kind of thing but i could be wrong

[vale sapphire]

i got one, but it says looted but i cant remember where i got it from

it was just there when i checked to replace my weapon, insane weapon seems really good

[cerulean smelt]

think one thing i liked about the gun was it's ability to shoot like a laser, but once you try other weapons you'll be like why'd i like that so much?

[vale sapphire]

its made leveling quite a bit more fun, im returning player so havent played in years

[cerulean smelt]

ahhh

[vale sapphire]

4hours in level 15, still so much i havent seen and ive heard the end game is quite a bit more full now

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, one of the things you get to pour your heart and soul into is the expertise system XD

[karmic osprey]

farming expertise is honestly easy

[vale sapphire]

i played everything up until new york, so i havent seen anything after that

last time i played was gear score

[cerulean smelt]

when you're in the 6 digit range? yeah obviously it's easy

[karmic osprey]

6 digit range?

[cerulean smelt]

or wait 5 digit? i dunno, i'm still in the 4 digits

[karmic osprey]

talking about levels?

if so im only lvl 971

[vale sapphire]

i have no idea even about this

was is this level system?

[karmic osprey]

shd watch levels after hitting level 40

[vale sapphire]

hoping to hit 40 by friday so guess ill experience it then

[cerulean smelt]

nods at 5-6 digit shd one can level a mule to 40 and have a crap ton of scavenging points to pour into the expertise system and be max quickly

[karmic osprey]

im farming countdown to my expertise stuff

[vale sapphire]

is descent any good for levels after lvl 20?

[sick cobalt]

use printer filament to level expertise

[cerulean smelt]

countdown isn't my idea of fun to level expertise, would feel extremely slow compared to that

unless you're meaning. equiping stuff, running countdown. that does work and was probably stuff people did until someone is like "hey just use printer filaments"

[karmic osprey]

i run it grab the loot mark as junk and donate it keeps me busy since im only missing 4 exotic weapons in the game one of which being the eagle bearer

[cerulean smelt]

sounds exhausting

[karmic osprey]

not really since this is what im running

[cerulean smelt]

face palm not about the build it's the method

1. Log in,
   2.goto countdown/summit set target loot
2. Queue for countdown
3. Wait until you have all 8
4. go in loot everything as junk
5. open inventory goto expertise
6. press key to dontate all junk
7. Left overs deconstruct
   9.go back to 2 if you're proficient in what you had as target loot

[worthy kraken]

okk

and another question
which AR is a better AR than elmo? or smg, lmg?

i feel like the weapon is good but it s pretty underwhelming since the talent is just not that great

[magic pilot]

basically all the AR

[cerulean smelt]

the best that everyone has a hard on for is Lexington and if you searched that in the chat from the top right, you'd see how many come here asking "how to get lexington?"

[worthy kraken]

i know it s unavailable

pretty weird the "best" AR is unavailable

[subtle bluff]

"Best"

[subtle bluff]

Take what you will of this.

[urban latch]

Its incredibly stupid....

[urban latch]

it is the best. its by a small margin, but its absolutely the best

[hazy steeple]

For whatever reason, they've confirmed (so far) that it will be another unique drop situation when the Lex comes back.

[subtle bluff]

Idk you juggle the reason one is more than the other, but then different situations.

[violet juniper]

Isn't it inaccurate though?

I love the shield splinterer to bits but the Lexington absolutely mogs it in handling

[subtle bluff]

What do you mean?

[violet juniper]

The recoil on it is quite hefty compared to AR's like p416, ACR, M4, etc

[subtle bluff]

I wasn't talking about any specific weapon. Just shows the chart DPS numbers.

[violet juniper]

wait

[cerulean smelt]

i can honestly say i wasn't impressed with lexington at first, but i decided to give it another shot and after getting expertise in it i feel it is a bit better

[violet juniper]

just noticed something

Bighorn is the best exotic assault rifle?

[subtle bluff]

I hate we're using that word for this.

[violet juniper]

I'll be more accurate for you

[subtle bluff]

These aare just NUMBERS.

[violet juniper]

Bighorn is the most damaging assault rifle?

[subtle bluff]

Nothing about it's gameplay.

[subtle bluff]

Highest Burst DPS. Yes.

[violet juniper]

ok, hot take (here we go)

[cerulean smelt]

i imagine it's more of a specific build for it?

[subtle bluff]

This are just math numbers for Base WD, RPM and Reload

[violet juniper]

not really

though it benefits by far the most from a build centred around it

[subtle bluff]

ok it does A LOT better with a specific build.

[cerulean smelt]

ah, so no builds. like putting on 6 improvised and shooting with the gun basically

[violet juniper]

basically

[violet juniper]

I respect anyone trying to make provocator work

[cerulean smelt]

not to mention, no talent that increases the damage like glass cannon

[cerulean smelt]

i saw blue exotic chest and figured Provacator or Tardigrade and was like eh ok you do you

[violet juniper]

Honestly, the AR I've been using the most rn is First Sight

[cerulean smelt]

oh? any specific build for it?

[violet juniper]

Got one with preservation and the headshots are crisp

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i've been considering a headshot build with preservation

[violet juniper]

This is what I'm using rn, swap shield splinterer for first sight

oh and gunner spec instead of sharpshooter

[cerulean smelt]

harvest pistol?

[violet juniper]

Nah prophet

I have Harvest but I don't really need it

With centurion holster I get a 70 round mag on first sight

[cerulean smelt]

just noticed people wanted harvest and i questioned why? got it mixed up with what you use and realized oh harvest would be perfect with determined 🤔

[karmic osprey]

I like it

[violet juniper]

People like harvest because it's one of those named weapons that does more damage than the stock version

If you want a pistol headshot build, you use regulus

[subtle bluff]

It's a noob trap like NBB.

[cerulean smelt]

nods hence getting it and putting determined on it

[violet juniper]

Definitely not a noob trap, noobs can't get the damn thing

[cerulean smelt]

i do have one but i think i copied a bad youtube build for it XD

[violet juniper]

niche build trap is more accurate

[subtle bluff]

Fair.. But I've carried my fair amount of noobs tho..

[cerulean smelt]

bet i was one of them (> <)

[violet juniper]

The majority of the noobs are too busy using NBB to try provocator

[subtle bluff]

It's funnier when I've carried with a bruiser build and basically do kind of tank but I did the most damage in the sqauad.

Then they get exo and try to run and cry and ask why I was able to do what I did...

[violet juniper]

I can see provocator working in something like a shotgun build

[cerulean smelt]

i feel it'd be more of a Mantis build

[subtle bluff]

Eh.. PFE is better and doesn't take away from a Chest Talent

[smoky moss]

can you give me advice on build I want to adjust..
Striker - mask, gloves, holster
Backpack - Ninja Messenger
Vest, Knees = vest will probably have glass cannon.. what should I do here to get armor gen back from bloodsucker? since bloodsucker has to go now because of ninja messenger?

[violet juniper]

5 red one blue with something like Setup plus Like Glue or Scorpio

[violet juniper]

Get rid of nbb

[cerulean smelt]

can't use blood sucker if you're using NInja backpack

[subtle bluff]

I need to fix Lex being in this..

[violet juniper]

Just scratch it out and put police M4 or F2000

[cerulean smelt]

because a limited amount of people have it?

[subtle bluff]

But also no one EVER reads the guide.

[violet juniper]

bingo

[cerulean smelt]

i'd say leave it as is

[subtle bluff]

Do know how many times I've had to say "Read the guide plz"?

[cerulean smelt]

athough i thougth someone said ACS-12 with brazen is pretty op in that set up?

[violet juniper]

Oh it is

[subtle bluff]

This isn't my guide I'm finishing up a FI one

[violet juniper]

it's a question of more damage over team buff

[subtle bluff]

Striker is on my list of doing better.

[violet juniper]

best striker build for me is one using SMG's

[subtle bluff]

2nd can be acs12 or smg

My striker leggo build is AR SMG

[cerulean smelt]

i find it funny someone called us out of "Worshipping Striker build"

[violet juniper]

My striker build is basically the same as the pic but with a Measured Vector and an ACS

I swapped the ceska chest for a sacrifice chest

[cerulean smelt]

my second account is, 4 strikers, turmoil knees and coyote's mask with chameleon XD

[violet juniper]

I'll probably need to rework it when I finally do Incursion

nice..

I run high end the majority of the time though

[cerulean smelt]

my mains is high end, 3 providence, 1 grupo, contractor's and turmoil for fun

lexington main and scorpio 2nd think the gunner pistol

[violet juniper]

Bighorn does all the damage for me

Gunner spec just makes it a near laser

[devout portal]

its bighoorn better with gunner or with the flamethrower ( dont remeber the name of the specialist)

and any advice for a good build with bighorn?

[versed summit]

Depends on the actual build really

[versed summit]

PvE or PvP

[devout portal]

both if it is posible+

[versed summit]

https://lite.evernote.com/note/e276d9da-3885-ebd9-5354-35b77ed1c75c

good PvP builds

I wouldn’t super recommend it for PvE

It works on HSD striker

[devout portal]

thank you for share that information

is there a same doc but for PVE?

[versed summit]

Check the pinned spreadsheet and it has a lot of specific PvE builds

[devout portal]

thank you

[summer flower]

Terrible builds besides a couple

No mention of the umbra capacitor build, which is the best build in the game currently

[versed summit]

@magic pilot you have a big hater

[winter rune]

is it better to farm for the white death in strongholds or in countdown as targeted loot?

[solar sable]

CD

[winter rune]

k

[winter rune]

i just completed a cd match and didnt get a single one(

[cerulean smelt]

you did change target loot to MMRs right?

[winter rune]

yes

the only named mmr i got from it is relic

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, in that alone you're competing with several MMRs including exotics

[winter rune]

but doesnt that mean completeing strongholds is more effective?

cuz white death in 2 strongholds is a guaranteed drop

[cerulean smelt]

run all strongholds and see if it is guaranteed

btw: It has an increased drop chance from the Strongholds Roosevelt Island and Manning National Zoo
isn't a guaranteed drop, just a higher chance to drop

[winter rune]

oh

but still, isnt it much better?

[cerulean smelt]

if you really want to play the lottery you can do this
Replicas of this weapon can be crafted using its Blueprint, which can only be obtained from Reconstructed Caches purchased with NSA Tech from NSA Stations
IE running decent until you get it

[winter rune]

thats crazy

[onyx sage]

imo you should run the stronghold

[cerulean smelt]

considering the bosses if it's a boss drop, compared to runnging countdown. not really
countdown is suggested because of the sheer amount loot dropped in it

[onyx sage]

TL doesn't help it though, it's just a flat drop chance

[winter rune]

what is TL

nvm

[cerulean smelt]

Target Loot

[onyx sage]

the drop chances of the specific items have been decent in my experience

though countdown is still there and is useful because it gives other mats you need too

[cerulean smelt]

cooler 50% haz pro, is that pretty good on an agent? would that be like a blip of a bleed?

[bright raptor]

but the water stream has to connect with the person you want to add hazpro to

[quasi geyser]

I'm debating between these two builds they have the same CHC & CHD I have The Gift backpack I just feel like I don't get much out of Perfect Vigilance because I like to run forward to be close to enemies

[urban latch]

Vigilance is the best backpack talent in the game, and clutch has been irrelevant since gear 2.0

[quasi geyser]

i just feel like i am not seeing the effect much because i am getting hit when i rush

[urban latch]

Use a crusader shield, the shield getting hit doesn't deactivate vigi, lets you play way more aggressively, and gives you far more survivability than the decoy

[quasi geyser]

ok thanks

[magic pilot]

He's just a hater of me in general

I am adding the umbra build just haven't gotten around to it

[versed summit]

Ah yeah bro where’s the cheats in your guide?

How am I supposed to use this if there’s no cheats

[fresh fox]

comes out of year long hiatus just to hate

W

[thorn pivot]

im running striker, between ceska and fenris breastplate which one does more damage

[cobalt narwhal]

Cool, I'll keep that in mind then. I'll tell you what I've been eying to get used to the build while I farm out the pieces and goddang I suck with it. As soon as I get rushed I'm dead, if I get pot shotted I'm dead and the mortars aiming I suck at sometimes the yellows can regen before I find a spot to damage em again from lol I'm trash

[quasi geyser]

i don't play pvp but i keep hearing about an umbra capacitor build what is that build and why is it so good ?

[magic pilot]

Good weapon dmg, survivability and 6 skill tier

[quasi geyser]

it is only good for pvp ?

[magic pilot]

Yes

[stiff jasper]

I can't really tell why it good, in my mindset it still stitches build😂

[subtle bluff]

PvP is very diffeent than PvE

[onyx sage]

ceska

[magic pilot]

Because capacitor is op

[dreamy grotto]

I use capacitor striker with ninjabike in pve, and its solid)

[magic pilot]

Not my style

[subtle bluff]

🤢

[vestal ibex]

4 pc striker with grey chest and backpack coming soon...

[peak moss]

This isn’t a build question but since I collected all optimization blueprints, I haven’t got anymore from checkpoints. Doing them on level 3/4 does nothing

[lyric prism]

correct.

any other blueprints are raids for their specfic sets or Descent.

[cerulean smelt]

another souless challenge for Raucey? 🤔

[magic pilot]

I'm down to do it as well

[vestal ibex]

Bro that 1886+chainkiller was an actual challenge. What I'm suggesting there is ez for 4 man heroic and I bet it could do legendary if @onyx sage picked it up.

[magic pilot]

My gf has been telling me to start making YouTube videos and she'll edit for me

[cerulean smelt]

though, thinking would be intersting to see all gearsets with 2 grey pieces

[magic pilot]

Solo heroic ez too

[vestal ibex]

Solo heroic would be solid.

[onyx sage]

hmm

[magic pilot]

Do it with no attachments as well

[onyx sage]

bruh

[magic pilot]

Like the only bonus should be from watch and striker gear

[onyx sage]

I'm gonna use police m4 replica with swap speed and thunder strike

[magic pilot]

There you go

I was gonna farm a random AR and maybe a shotgun

[onyx sage]

nah bro crafting is meta

and smg-9

[vestal ibex]

1 heroic countdown builds>ZOO leggo using farmed builds.

[onyx sage]

...

[vestal ibex]

The countdown run is just the 4 man you'll use too.

[onyx sage]

jesus i thought you were going to make me solo

[cerulean smelt]

you a masochist? 🤔

[onyx sage]

just found out?

[vestal ibex]

This guy will be like "sorry can't play I'm going to grind out the worst thing you can imagine for 3 straight weeks"

[cerulean smelt]

then comeback "souless i broke the game!" and show you the build?

[onyx sage]

i'm almost done with my no hit re4 anyway

[magic pilot]

Only 3 weeks?

He was on manning zoo for like 2 years

[onyx sage]

it's true

i'm still doing my first leg zoo solo

[hexed steppe]

Tbh, it does take a lot of practice. I've self deleted a number of times.
Placement of the mortar matters because it's easy to hit roof or obstructions. You'll notice you can target areas through a wall as long as the mortar has a clear ark to something.
I personally use the hive as a backup defense skill. I usually place it to cover front and flank, anywhere it forces npc to get within its radius.
If your hive is recharging , you can still double click the key to drop hive with partial charges in a pinch.
Just remember you only have to proc combined arms before the mortar hits, it can be procced anytime it's in flight. That should save you some exposure. You play it different than a lot of skill, at least I do. I can yt link you in pm if you want to see how i run it. Just cant post it because self promo

[magic pilot]

@hexed steppe

Thoughts on the sticky build?

Or can I squeeze more dmg out by shifting in 2 grupo?

[hexed steppe]

What's china 2 and 3 bonus

I'm guessing for pvp

[hexed steppe]

👆

[cerulean smelt]

fire sticky? you know i was thinking i'd like to see a build using like the grease shiney monkey piece and thought firm handshake in the mix would be intersting but the sokolova piece throws me off for status effect build 🤔

2 and 3 china light is 20% skill haste and 25% status effect

[hexed steppe]

I would drop china for Grupo I think. It might be pretty close tho

[cerulean smelt]

does the fire sticky have an explosive effect too?

[hexed steppe]

It should, the blast throws a yellow damage iirc

[cerulean smelt]

learned something new. i kind of figured the only damage was from the fire itself considering you hit a target with it they just get set on fire immediately, with some actually grab it and throw it away

but yeah, when we detonate it, i can imagine that part is an explosive damage 🤔

[hexed steppe]

I would test it because I'm not 100%.
I know status and skill damage scales it. Explosive should, but its easy to test by adding/removing china

[magic pilot]

I would assume explosive dmg buffs as well

2 Walker is also an option

Or contractors

Yea it's for PvP too

[fresh fox]

does skill duration do anything for status?

[onyx sage]

naw

[fresh fox]

GG!

2 grupo + contractors probably goat then

[magic pilot]

2 grupo no china?

[hexed steppe]

No 2pc wyvern

[magic pilot]

ahh

[fresh fox]

wait

yea

[hexed steppe]

2 grupo, china, contractors, wyvern

[fresh fox]

china contractors + vile ?!

idk how strong the vile sticks would be in this case

[hexed steppe]

Is vile strong in pvp?

[magic pilot]

its alright

[fresh fox]

i see some people using it on status builds

[magic pilot]

dont think its worth here for just sticky tho

[fresh fox]

oh it’s just sticky

yea probably not

[summer flower]

step 1: don't detonate the fire sticky

[magic pilot]

cant wait to craft grupo pieces for 2 hours!

@hexed steppe you think going for skill dmg is gonna be better than status?

i could swap wyvern for electrique

[cobalt narwhal]

yeah feel free to pm the link, love a showcase

[hexed steppe]

Skill damage hits slightly harder that status When I've tested on eclipse. It just doesn't benefit the length of time your ticks run.

[hexed steppe]

Will do

[jaunty citrus]

I generally play solo, which build would be better heartbreaker or Striker?

[fresh fox]

striker imo

striker + memento is powerful solo build

[feral anvil]

they both do lots of damage with stacks its just striker is a lot easier to stack

[fresh fox]

and less restrictive

being able to run gunner on striker also helps a ton

[hexed steppe]

Striker is a bit stronger.
Heartbreaker still strong and does have the benefit of being able to support flatline talent, and microwave coils if using seasonal modifiers

[fresh fox]

booooo modifiers

[hexed steppe]

No fun 👴

[fresh fox]

boooooo timegated

[magic pilot]

@hexed steppe

just need holster

i ran out of grupo mats

everything is skill dmg/status besides knees that has haste

[fresh fox]

wow ProdigyReflexz caught using 1pc striker…

[onyx sage]

bully him

[magic pilot]

sir i have no other holster and put this together right after tidal run

boom

[wild lily]

So is the Like Glue shotgun a named M870 with the brazen talent?

[magic pilot]

Super 90

[wild lily]

Ah, they all look so similar, thanks

[hazy hull]

Skill build attempt

[hexed steppe]

Use mortar turret and capacitor

Perfect combined arms is great, but it takes a lot of upkeep. If using burst damage skills like mortar/hive/clusters it excels, but sustained damage skills dont fully benefit because of the short duration of pca

[hazy hull]

Ok so mortar and seeker mines kk

[cerulean smelt]

i'd try another pair of gloves. get it with skill damage maybe so you can change the core to skill tier unless you're going for the technician specialization?

[hazy hull]

Yee gonna farm for refractor tom,rrow try getting some good rolls for the gear

[ruby mason]

I use this one, still polishing it but I am getting by pretty wel in most endgame content

[hazy hull]

kk

[ruby mason]

Wyvern Mask, China Light gloves, HW 4pc

[magic pilot]

You need glass on the chest

[hexed steppe]

Agreed, hw chest gives ok bonus but glass better

[hexed steppe]

Once I fix my mortar guide I'll reccomend that. It's all he with btsu gloves , mortar/stinger hive. Really strong. The main mortar guide is strong as well. A bit easier to farm also

I would still use refracture for turret/drone setuos tho. It's not as strong as he, but it gives team benefit. That would be with wyvern tech support bag, sacrifice chest w/skill damage. If use tech spec you'll have a free skilltier so can get away with leaving sacrifice main core red

It's hard to mess up a skill build, so explore a few setups to see what works best for your playstyle

[dreamy valve]

I’m loving Refractor with chd/chc

[summer flower]

What are those kneepads

[subtle bluff]

Snow something. They do nothing that effects combat.

[magic pilot]

snow machine

[worthy kraken]

should I keep this or keep gambling?

[solar sable]

always dtoc

[magic pilot]

gamble

[steady ridge]

Bruhhh ive spent a week farming legendary bosses and havent gotten it yet

Straight summit 5 hours and have t gotten it

[jaunty cove]

i gotten it after 15 runs of the summit farm

[worthy kraken]

yeah got it now after mayb 20-30 runs

i lost count but they were really really painful

[jaunty cove]

im STILL on the search for a ninjabike backpack, no luck on that one

[ornate flame]

For a raid/incursion healing build what should i use 4 piece future initiative with btsu?

[tranquil agate]

Any advice on improvement? I haven't really found a direction with this.

[tulip charm]

Yeah with named the setup or alps w/ 15% amp

[tulip charm]

Pinned comments has builds you can check out

[warm knot]

How should the HHHF 870 look like? I'm running Accuracy + ROF + 10%HF, but I'm still losing HH cuz of pellets hitting the body 🥲

Yes I'm aiming for the head.

[onyx sage]

run 2 accuracy mods on it

it's kind of iffy but having 2 on it reduces the spread a lot and that's about the most you can do

[warped vale]

is 4 blue core striker pieces including chest, memento backpack and sokolov/fenris holster(depending on main weapon) good enough for a striker tank build or is there a better combo?

[placid latch]

What's OOC ref to ?

[magic pilot]

Dtooc

[placid latch]

I wasn't sure

Thx

[signal pelican]

Damage to targets out of cover.

[true tulip]

What does it mean to gamble? Are you crafting this weapon?

[worthy kraken]

Yep

[placid latch]

DTTOOC went you get me

This all about min/max your damage

This is also a multiplicative rare attribute

[worthy kraken]

I got it after 30 attempts

I got max rolled elmo in 2 attempts

This in 30

But it s not max so i need to optimize the f out of it

How do u farm those flag icon materials I need like a ton even for a small bump in the roll

[placid latch]

Use alt character and watch

Scraping ressource on the first watch can give you a lot

This option ask of you to be level SHD 1000+ to be worth it

And don't forget to see Tinkering master and buy shared ressources account first

[glad heart]

Field Recon Data is available in the Salvage Section of your watch; and it can also be crafted. Farming it is time prohibitive: takes forever. Shared resources between level 40 characters, if you have 4 alt characters, quadruples your resources.

[midnight urchin]

Any good build for pvp I have this but it’s not the best

[fresh fox]

its ok yea

use flatline on the fal

[glad heart]

https://lite.evernote.com/note/e276d9da-3885-ebd9-5354-35b77ed1c75c

[brittle drift]

If I wanted a hazard protection build should I just try to get 100% hazpro? Never tried it and not sure if it is worth the grind. I was thinking of using 2 pieces of cavalier which gives 30%

[cerulean smelt]

i wouldn't use gearsets for that honestly, but if you want to go for it

[worthy kraken]

Oh wow so I can boost my char and the resources are shared??

[fresh fox]

you would use 2pc cav for that

[glad heart]

shared between level 40 characters yes

[solar sable]

you have to buy a very cheap blueprint from Inaya that says Shared Blueprints and Shared Materials

[worthy kraken]

Omg

Ok but 4 characters is pretty wild

How exactly do u farm them

Besides watch

[fresh fox]

what for

like cc haz pro or raid tank haz pro

[worthy kraken]

Like control points missions I dint really know where I get it from besides crates and watch

[fresh fox]

or pvp

[glad heart]

craft the resources, optimization caches etc. Some missions, and CPS etc.

[brittle drift]

I guess I am clumsy and keep getting into fire and then enemies finish me easily. I also die a lot from those god damn little cars and drones

[placid latch]

you either just let them sit or delete them and level up a new character to level 40. He will then get the same SHD level

[worthy kraken]

So control points do give them. Aight

[fresh fox]

just play better and be mindful

not worth running hazpro in a situation like that

[solar sable]

abuse corner cover without vaulting

[brittle drift]

In other words just play more 😃

[glad heart]

Yeah but like I said, that is very time consuming. You may get 1 Field Recon Data from control point, several in a cache; crafting and watch are the best sources.

[solar sable]

always analyze the area for cover/vantage spots

even in combat

[brittle drift]

Ok so how about little bit more armor? I am using an umbra build to get that nice armor regen while in cover. Maybe sacrifice some CHD for some armor?

[fresh fox]

just swap a red core or something

[brittle drift]

670k armor here. Not a lot

[fresh fox]

either way its just a game sense thing

[solar sable]

I never found armor cores useful if you don't use the environment correctly

just because you have blues doesn't mean you get to be reckless

[cerulean smelt]

rememer the armor regen is based on the stacks you've obtained while out of cover

[brittle drift]

Yea you are right about that. So do you just go full red? No armor cores or any blue?

[cerulean smelt]

yay finally got a dtooc handbasket!

[brittle drift]

I tend to stay in cover for few seconds and then out to get some kills and then back to cover

[solar sable]

I personally don't run blues because dmg goes downhill
I just don't like blues

[cerulean smelt]

i'm just letting you know how umbra works in general. you go in cover you gain stacks, you leave cover you gain stacks

[brittle drift]

Yea and that is kind of my play style

[cerulean smelt]

so the whole gist of umbra

1. You take cover to gain some stacks
2. you leave cover and consume the stacks you've gained while in cover
3. While consuming those stacks you get an increase in RPM
4. You gain stacks being out of cover
5. You take cover you start to consume the stacks you gained out of cover to regen armor and you start back at 1 with the stacks

[brittle drift]

That is why I chose umbra

I ve got 4 pieces of umbra. Coyote mask and fenris kneepads

[cerulean smelt]

so just clarifying under the assumption you read armor regen in the description that just having that regenearates armor for you isn't actually working if that's what you meant here #td2-build-advice message

[fresh fox]

he knows he just wants more armor

[brittle drift]

The armor regen works just fine and I know how to use it. Yea like @fresh fox says

I guess I just need to spend more time in the batflefield

[placid latch]

This is a full blue build I'm using : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPpYzIMMofE

[cerulean smelt]

nods knowledge goes a long way when it comes to div 2

[placid latch]

Does decent damage and really tanky

[cerulean smelt]

ewwww

[placid latch]

I can do Legendary with it

[onyx sage]

i can't link it but i use blue striker with ad rush and intimidate if i want to chillax

[placid latch]

I need to test this out

[cerulean smelt]

solo legendary?

[fresh fox]

yea pfe builds are chill

[placid latch]

yeah

you just let them come to you and back if needed

the build got something like 3-4% armor regen + adrenaline rush

and a shield

[onyx sage]

yeah i had a video where i used six12 brazen. now i would use a black market sasg

[placid latch]

And Scorpio while not as strong is really good in crow control

[cerulean smelt]

my ew was the 2 improvised pieces. wonder how many times that had to be crafted to get the 2 with the right 2 attributes on it XD

[fresh fox]

pfe mods

[placid latch]

Not that much actually

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, it was recently changed so what we saw in the video was 3 year old scropio that was awesome then XD

[cerulean smelt]

maybe you were lucky

[placid latch]

I'm using 1 handling attribute

make Scorpio faster reload

So I hit until shock, reload and wait for the shock to end and repeat

does around 1 M peer hit

which is plently enough damage overall

I could maybe use Tsunami

stun + free reload

[glossy scarab]

tsunami is cool but theres something about the way it handles that irks me

[cerulean smelt]

the tsunami model is my goto if i don't feel like using the acs-12

[subtle bluff]

I mean it kicks like all shotguns but even more when it's a shorter barrel.

[glossy scarab]

yeah its the kick. its fast firing but its really hard to fire fast and land most of your pellets when the thing is jumping around like that

[cerulean smelt]

have you tried acs-12?

[glossy scarab]

yeah i only use that with heartbreaker or in the rare case I'm playing strikers with the chest piece.

but its strong i like using it

[violet juniper]

1 or 2?

[cerulean smelt]

i don't pvp, considering both pictures are in front of a DZ door it seems

[violet juniper]

oh it's not PvP

it's the white House door lmao

[fresh fox]

2 does more damage 1 has better survivability

your choice

[tame crane]

You might get smoked with 0 survivability tbh

[fresh fox]

just don’t noob out

[prime elbow]

What is this

[cerulean smelt]

it's an mmr?

[prime elbow]

a what?

[cerulean smelt]

Marksman Rifle

[prime elbow]

Yeah, the new named SVD

everyone got it on their mailbox

[cerulean smelt]

if you read this post it'll make sense
#division-tweets message

[prime elbow]

Everyone knew that, I'm just wondering why it's has A.S.S stats

not in 1 million years it's worth the optimization

[cerulean smelt]

shrugs i saw a video on youtube "log in get your handbasket" was like uh ok? got on and saw the same stats and deconstructed it immediately

then i just hunted the goblin and finally got one with decent stats and dtooc, put determined on it and had a test of it with hotshot/chainkiller XD

[hexed steppe]

jesus, handbasket is broke af
26mil on generic determined hotshot, mag size as unfortunate 3rd att roll

[cerulean smelt]

even more broken in Hotshot unless that's how you're using it already?

[hexed steppe]

yeah, determined hotshot build

[cerulean smelt]

i'm still toying the 4pc set up though

[hexed steppe]

all i use is the 4pc. its never really needed to min max that set by using 3pc. qol is way better

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i'm using the mask, gloves, holster and knees with chainkiller and 1 time i ran with memento

[hexed steppe]

its base damage is similar to the sr1... check it against other svd mmr's

[cerulean smelt]

then i decided to try mask, backpack, gloves, holster to put turmoil on and it's rough getting started because of that 50/50 mechanic

funnily enough, i've gotten a shot off a non-helmeted red bar and watched a helmet npc disappear XD

[hexed steppe]

yeah i wouldnt. losing vig on top of the split

thats nice if you can keep it going

should 3pc that

and use chain killer vig turmoil

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, that's the issue
was like "wait did i see that right?!" did the whole helmet break mechanic but the helmet npc just died

i'm starting to play with 4 directives on, so memento is nice in getting my armor back (> <)

only vigilence i had on me was a gift with weapon handling or headshot damage or maybe both, can't remember

[fresh fox]

i want turmoil + vigi 🤑🤑🤑

[cerulean smelt]

trust me i was tempted. 3 hotshot, turmoil, chain killer + ninja bag just to see outcome but was like nah, fight the urge....

[fresh fox]

the only content i use sniper headhunter in needs (probably at least) min max damage so i do 3pc + providence vigi + foxes

[cerulean smelt]

so hotshot, is it a headshot kill for us to get it's benefits or is it just a headshot?

[cerulean smelt]

i want turmoil to be released in general pool with random attributes attached 👀

ok, just read the sheet, it's just headshots, but if we use things that can instakill with determined and chainkiller we're always at the 4th headshot bit aren't we?

ok, my brain hurts just thinking how hotshot talent works

[hexed steppe]

so, handbasket is just ok, not totally broken. hotshot lets you get around the lower rof as long as you keep it stacked

my main headshot build is a mortar anyways

[fresh fox]

no it goes back down to first headshot bonus i think?

so like 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3

i’m guessing because it wasn’t autoloading every time the last time i used it

[karmic osprey]

heres what im using criticism is welcome on what i need to improve

[fresh fox]

provacator sucks

[karmic osprey]

i find it useful

[cerulean smelt]

huh
"Headache -

First Headshot with a Marksman Rifle will increase next headshot by 20%, second consecutive headshot with a Marksman Rifle will give +10% armor (if at full armor it will give bonus armor max +50% of current armor value), third consecutive headshot will refill magazine.

From the fourth headshot forward agents will get all 3 bonuses for each consecutive headshot kill. Missing a headshot will reset the cycle
"
guess, i'll have to get back on and test it out. could've sworn i've watched my shots go back to max ammo count

[fresh fox]

eagles grasp/zwiagloves are whatever

[fresh fox]

ok nvm i cant read

i was just basing that off the single time i’ve used 4pc hotshot

[fresh fox]

still sucks

[cerulean smelt]

that's the thing though, if we kill would it change the stacks we get? or does it just continue? lol i'm confused it works how i think it does?

[fresh fox]

memento bag would give you better survivability and damage

[fresh fox]

no every hit once you hit the first 3 will give all 3 bonuses

[cerulean smelt]

ah ok, so even if we kill them we get tha 4th shot bonus. nice nice

[hexed steppe]

you can stack hotshot bonus on corpse heads if still in combat. no kill needed for the bonus, but if you dont hit anything it resets, even if determined is still in play

[subtle bluff]

IMO both the Unbreakable talent and using Tardigrade net you more armor and then something you have to be within 15m to work. Also PFE gives more our than Provacator.
Imo it's kind of a trap, if you want it to be work you need to get pretty close.

[karmic osprey]

i usually do get close for the fights

[blissful geode]

whats a good build built around nemsis for those 1 shots

[subtle bluff]

Hotshot

[blissful geode]

six piece or 4 piece and what else

[subtle bluff]

Why would you go six of any gearset?

[blissful geode]

jus asking brodie

[subtle bluff]

You don't need nemsis to one shot. If you go to Pinned Messages there a Hotshot build in there

[solar sable]

Nemesis is used to get all HH stacks in one headshot kill

It's not your main weapon. That would be White Death, SR-1 or model 700

[dreamy valve]

I’m starting to like M700 Carbon over White Death

It feels like I’m getting more kills with Carbon

[placid latch]

Try with a SR-1

[subtle bluff]

There pretty much the same thing

White Death does more.
M700 Carbon and SR-1 close to the same.

[dreamy valve]

I feel the auto aim and target acquisition is faster with the other weapon, plus higher mag size gives better sustain

It also might be the bullet velocity. Better weapon handling perhaps

[placid latch]

I feel like the SR-1 is more smooth

and the reload better

[dreamy valve]

Less clunky yeah

[placid latch]

My prefered order are SR-1>M700Carbon>White Death

[dreamy valve]

I’m sticking with my Carbon until I can optimize the SR-1 that I just got

[placid latch]

I don't have a good Handbasket

So waiting to test it out

[thorn pivot]

can anybody show me a meta umbra build? thanks in advance

[glad heart]

https://lite.evernote.com/note/04221346-c26f-27f0-a259-4b54909dffd3

[fresh fox]

with 4pc hotshot they are the same mag wise

[steady ridge]

Full red if u wanna be hyper aggressive, but sometimes 3 blue core helps

@thorn pivot ^

[fresh fox]

ceska bag instead

[dreamy valve]

Classic 4pc hotshot

[urban latch]

For pvp or pve because those are fairly different

[steady ridge]

Nah bro, the gift is OP

[fresh fox]

no it’s not

[solar sable]

there's a 1 second difference between regular Vigi and Perfect Vigi

It's not worth it

[steady ridge]

25% weapon dmg thoooo

Just strafe hard enough and it works

[solar sable]

Dude Regular Vigilance is also 25% WD

[hollow relic]

Any good pvp build guys? I don't have matador. I can't get it

[magic pilot]

Lengmo build in the pvp guide

[hollow relic]

Can i survive with this?

[magic pilot]

It's not super tanky if that's what you mean

Depends on how you play

[hollow relic]

Some tanky and dmg also?

[fresh fox]

non perfect vigi is also 25%

and ceska is a better brand set for crit

[bright yew]

Can someone share a detailed screenshot of a one-shot raid boss build?

[urban latch]

Which boss?

[bright yew]

Lieutenant Gray
Captain Fieser

[fresh fox]

build for 60 chc on the pistol

[bright yew]

This is the build I'm currently running

[fresh fox]

yea that’s it

[bright yew]

Which pistol are you using? Can you share the details?

[fresh fox]

harvest

from the loot goblin

it’s the best pistol for one shots now

with dttoc and flatline

then for fieser i use this

60 chc on the shotgun

[summer flower]

Umbra capacitor

[fresh fox]

with health damage and flatline, could get away with just dttoc on it though

[hollow relic]

@summer flower Can you show me please the buld and also explain me what do because my English so bad?

[bright yew]

Did you shoot him with the shotgun?

[fresh fox]

no

you shoot the chunga that spawns upstairs

[urban latch]

You'll want a 686 magnum with flatline even if you don't have the harvest. Regulus also works. I think d50 might still work for grey, but it'll make a difference on other bosses

[bright yew]

So you shot the Chunga with the shotgun, right?

[fresh fox]

yea

after stacking 2 full blues on him

https://youtu.be/htXvwkuKrB0?si=uEJnBkGWE904NYWv

i use scabbard in this clip but it’s the same process just slower

you don’t need the grey pistol if you don’t prep him as much as we did

[bright yew]

Oh, now I understand. Thanks!

[fresh fox]

you also might need to shoot a 2nd time

just shoot another armor plate

i got lucky and all 8 pellets crit so i didn’t need to

[thorn pivot]

can anybody show me a meta pvp umbra build? thanks in advance

[urban latch]

#td2-pvp-discussions message

[steady ridge]

Its not…

Did it change

[fresh fox]

yes it is

perfect vigi only changes the reactivation time

[placid latch]

He is right. Cooldown going from 4s to 3s

Not the biggest change in the world

[hexed steppe]

Isnt the arguement perfect vigilance is 25% more dps because of that 1 second

[fresh fox]

no

i’m guessing he just thought that perfect vigi also increased the damage value

because he brought the damage value up

[hexed steppe]

Yeah no doubt. I'm just poking fun with some old school reasons that used to pop up a lot

[placid latch]

You mean 100% more dps because they never take cover ?

[fossil narwhal]

hey everyone, i need a bit of advise, which one should i use, i'm hesitating a bit ^^'

[subtle bluff]

depends on your build.

[fossil narwhal]

i'm kinda begining so idk much what build to do ;v;

[tulip charm]

Nothing

Just use whatever you want during campaign

Build only matter after level 40

[fossil narwhal]

oh okay =/

[subtle bluff]

Derp didn't even look at the item lvl. LOL

[dreamy valve]

Im gunna test this out once its optimized

[hexed steppe]

Tbh it's kinda just ok. You'll have similar rof as sr1/carbon m700.
If on determined hotshot it does work well, and if you're not missing shots, the hotshot ammo topoff helps bypass some of the rof restriction. It was ok tho. I was hitting 26mil on generic determined hotshot/vigilance/chainkiller, with useless 3rd stat and around 15 expertise levels

I also did the optimal range muzzle/stability underbarrel but with the sharpshooter scope

[dreamy valve]

Oh really, hmm might just turn it into a high end headshot build and see what happens

[peak moss]

Anyone have a good skill build for completing missions, farming

Dps can get boring

[subtle bluff]

Skill build are either longer to kill something or not as active. Soo if that's the route you want.

[subtle bluff]

build a hotshot

[peak moss]

I already have

Not a fan of snipers in this game tbh

[peak moss]

Mainly wanna complete the journey missions as there all skill based

[subtle bluff]

You don't really need a skill build to do them. I did most of them just throwing the stuff out like needed.

[cerulean smelt]

you've checked the pins in here at the skill builds listed in the build hub?

[cerulean smelt]

some are probably easier doing the skill route over "maintaining tx for y seconds?

[subtle bluff]

Idk Overdrive just make all point less imo.

[peak moss]

I had a look at pins but links didn’t work for me lol

[subtle bluff]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?usp=sharing

[cerulean smelt]

you gotta click on the underlined Evernote

[peak moss]

Yeah I tired that but in heroic difficulty my skills do naff all damage on my dps build 😂

[subtle bluff]

I mean, if you want a challenge, go for it. I did on hard.

[peak moss]

Snm

[cerulean smelt]

those can be done on normal as well right?

[subtle bluff]

yup

[peak moss]

That spreadsheet gotta be the most useful thing ever 😭🙏🏻

Can finally put together a healer/drone and tank build together for raids

[subtle bluff]

You want to FI for healing.

[peak moss]

Fl?

[peak moss]

Thank you brother

[wary forge]

Guys for who enjoy pistol builds, any1 already did a viable pistol build with turmoil??

[peak moss]

One more thing, what does skill efficiency do? Will it affect damage based skills?

[peak moss]

Eagle barer

[magic pilot]

yes

skill efficiency is all the skill buckets

haste, dmg, status, duration, health

[magic pilot]

standard HE regulus build with turmoil

[peak moss]

So the third piece of emperess is worth it as it adds 10% to all 5 skill attributes

[wary forge]

But hf? Or the classy one? Punch drunk, claws out, chain killer, etc

Idk if is me.. but i jus tried in the high end build, and feels like the headhunter take much more time to fill with the kneepad

[magic pilot]

yep

[magic pilot]

punch drunk yea all that

run dodge city instead of claws

itll help with HH stacks

[jaunty cove]

ive noticed people running st elmos a lot, especially in countdown. however i feel like i dont hit as much when i use the big horn. Whats the reasoning players are choosing the st elmos over bighorn?

[onyx sage]

elmo is more versatile, bighorn requires headshots and the targets to actually have heads

[dreamy valve]

Alright guys Im digging this Redfractor build. Seems to be even more fun than Red dps Future Initiative since healing is all passive and you just get to kill stuff like everyone else

4 red cores(2 from max memento buff), 1 blue, and 6 yellow(1 from specialization tree). Technically 6.5 red cores if you include Capacitor ability

30% skill efficiency and 3% armor regen further helps both me and my drone's survivability while giving everyone 14% extra total weapon AND skill damage

[subtle bluff]

Just run Red FI HSD works great.

[dreamy valve]

The refractor group healing is just too good to pass up

You don’t need to switch to any type of healing skills to pull attention away from your dps, and its healing range is auto

Another weakness of FI is that the buff shuts off if anyone loses armor

[placid latch]

I feel like it's a Determined build with some healing xD

[subtle bluff]

They both have their cons and pros.
This build doesn't delete someone off the field. I didn't show any skills, but you could throw on some heals.

[subtle bluff]

It's only if you put on heals, otherwise I mean look at it's dmg.

[placid latch]

the damage are just from Head hunter + big damage MMR stacked

[subtle bluff]

Don't get me wrong I'd rather see this rather then the w/e refactor build.

[placid latch]

I didn't test it out yet

[subtle bluff]

HH Just doesn't dumb stuff

[placid latch]

Which skill are you using ?

[subtle bluff]

I mean hell could put on a OD and always give out OD for the heck

[subtle bluff]

Nothing this is just example of things you can do.

[placid latch]

chem launcher and healing drone ?

[subtle bluff]

I just made up on the spot and threw on build since I have random piece I could put this together. I pretty don't use MMR much anymore

[placid latch]

I'm a main MMR

I just like the game play

I was playing around Mantis and Nemesis way before Hot Shot got introduced

[dreamy valve]

That FI build with sniper just looks like it wants to just be another HH build, just less efficient. Both as a HH and a support

The build that I have can definitely help out the group a lot more

[subtle bluff]

OK.. For something I just threw together sure...

[dreamy valve]

You can have someone else play the pure HH class and do a lot better with it

[subtle bluff]

Just saying it still delete something off of the field vs

I'm sorry what 24mill delete most things.

The build isn't even optimized.

[dreamy valve]

Also depends on the enemy. To get to that damage you need to get enough kills to do so, and if you’re facing heavies,robotics, or bosses and other single target enemies with no other weaker enemies around to gain stacks, you’re just plinking away

Yeah I can also throw together a grey items together and do the same thing

[subtle bluff]

buddy.... I said most...

Go for it, get 24 mill with grey stop being dumb. I'm not trying to argue anything here, just showing an example of something for ideas.

[dreamy valve]

Fact of the matter is, both builds can exist, and one is not necessarily better than the other, but in terms of group support, the FI sniper just doesn’t cut it imo

Yeah, you can get high damage with whatever gear with HH believe me. But it does have its weaknesses and it doesn’t get to that kind of damage automatically

It’s a very small minded thinking to just try to shove HH into every build that’s all

[subtle bluff]

We're repeating ourselves here now. I never said anything bad or against your build here.

[dreamy valve]

Me neither, we’re going in circles, and I need to take another dump anyways

[dreamy valve]

See, that’s an actual healing build, and is comparable to Refractor. That other sniper build is just random dps like you said

[dreamy valve]

Ironically, I dislike sniping in most games, but don’t mind Division 2 “sniping” since after the first headshot kill you just spam the shoot button to one tap everything afterwards. It’s lazy and the easiest sniping mechanic I’ve ever came across in game depicting marksman sniping, but that’s what I like about it, if they never fix the bug

[placid latch]

I like the fact that I need to aim properly even though I have small mag and I need to target properly

I really need to try out Regulus build