td2-pvp-discussions

[mortal badge]

differnt targets will take different amounts of damage. damage is different for armor vs health with no explanation Im aware of. The types of talents and other gear buffs seem super inconsistent as well. All I know is a mess, and its pointless enough that Ive never cared to actually figure it out

[limber cedar]

Melee has its own DMG to health modifier (3x of dmg, and no, I'm not talking about the season modifiers if somebody reading this, is wondering). That's why you are doing more damage to the health than the armor. And about the talents, Melee can only be increased by damage to health (but it's kinda unnecessary on lady death bcs of the melee modifier) damage to armor and damage amplification but this amplification is only affected by system corruption, spotter or glass cannon, it is not applied by Lady death talent, Hunters fury talent, or WD amplification talents. (their talents only apply to bullets).

[ripe root]

Also can increased by ooc

Have you try to shoot, is it damage to bonus armor, or also damage to health like melee?

Since there are bug that you see bonus armor, but it actually don't exist
I don't know it fixed or not but if it exist, you can simulation it with bloodlust, use emp pulse to destroy skill

[wet badger]

dont think so

DtA yes

[limber cedar]

It does

I didn't mention OOC because let's be honest, 4% difference isn't so much of a difference if you have DMG to armor instead of DMG to target out of cover, especially when 90% of the time, players have amor and are out of cover so

[craggy trench]

??

[tacit pond]

what

if everyone is out of cover i think mentioning that dttoc does something is good

[limber cedar]

I mean specifically on melee, like, melee has a low rate of fire so 4% difference of DMG doesn't matter much if you have DMG to armor instead of DTTOOC you know.

[tacit pond]

that’s true

snipers have a low rate of fire so we should run dta on those instead of dttoc

and it’s only 4% so who cares

[limber cedar]

I detected sarcasm so let me make this clear, just think about it, Claws out and lady death together with DTTOOC have 1010% of melee, and 1006% with DTA, you really wanna spend 10 -ish of exotic components for 4% of dmg?

[tacit pond]

yea

it’s more damage

[tropic sable]

lmao bro aint taking no for an answer

[ripe root]

Suppose you know it but just a remind, shield change formula

[tardy thistle]

It's PvP, I'll take every percent I can get.

[wet badger]

I'll spend 100 exos for 4% more damage

[wheat jackal]

hahaha yeah thats fair, i bet thats why they called it that

[empty ice]

Any recommendations for spotter builds?

[mighty pine]

anyone help me set up a new biuld

[craggy trench]

Not super strong rn

I would just run umbra

[untold verge]

Anyone can help me for a build to survive with chill out mask?

[limber cedar]

If "survive" you mean regeneration, it's better if you use a regular gila guard mask instead of chill out.

[meager swift]

cartharsus is better again

[wet badger]

Only use spotter if u intend on holding angles and using the nemesis, usually I only bring out my spotter when I kill a couple manhunts and the rest begin to run, I will go inside the safe room door and cut off the remaining manhunt, spotter is good for this.

[meager swift]

Spotter build became less used due to people using rejen bighorn or Umbra builds

[ripe root]

No causation between spotter and bighorn
If you run spotter, you also run vigilance, then you won't against bighorn at frontline

[tardy thistle]

Spotter gives access to Nemi bodyshot crit kills and guaranteed headshot kills. I still run 2/4 spotter alot, watching bighorn regen players trying to push while strafing down a narrow alley hasn't gotten old yet.

[wet badger]

You aren't killing bighorn players with bodyshot crit, they have 2.1M + 560k, don't forget the drone and ad rush stacks

You can't risk letting a bighorn push in case u don't 1 tap or miss the shot.

You can only reasonably hold bighorn players on narrow lanes, quite limiting I'd say

[tardy thistle]

Honestly the issue with spotter builds is that someone will be using a pesti and PR isn't uncommon. Pesti just eats kits on red builds.

[tardy thistle]

just run away, we don't buy land in Div2 so no need to try hold it in an unfavourable conditions.

[wet badger]

Umbra can soak up chip damage which prolongs it's 4 mediits, spotter makes u peek with missing armour

You honestly have a better chance at 1 tapping with Umbra now than spotter if u think about it, way more crit and spotter doesn't proc on Nemi unless u time pulse

[tardy thistle]

Yeah Umbra has a lot going for it, I know everyone likes BH now but pretty sure the pesti change had more of an impact on the game.

[wet badger]

Pesti Is strong but it's not nearly as impactful as u make it seem.

Pesti stacks just gives me an easy 10s to pop a medkit

[full jetty]

Umbra is doing it anymore in PvP

Too many dudes running bighorn regen in DZ

I need more

More dps

I need to become the most cursed DZ player possible

Also BLK is the sweatiest players ive ever met in conflict

[placid oxide]

There's always a build and play that will counter another one. That's all I'm gonna say here.

[full jetty]

Theres too many

I need “the one”

[wet badger]

they wont, instead they'll warn u for breaking the rules then ban u in game if u trash talk him

[ocean fossil]

real?

[wet badger]

It's my name, u can't write my name because of some more silly rules

[craggy trench]

You can't say the online currency money system

[crystal ferry]

cringe

Classic move huh.

[tardy thistle]

3/3 Reg HS, shoot them in the head twice and you're done. they have low crit so you shield last a good while too.

[tardy thistle]

what?

[amber ice]

They're trying to say the word crypto. It's blocked

You can probably guess why.

[tardy thistle]

fair enough.

[amber ice]

@ocean fossil The image permissions in this channel are for assistance in helping out with the PvP in div2, keep all other uses to your own server.

[tardy thistle]

2v10 in the Dz, they seemed like farmers.

Haven't seen anyone from that clan for ages in the DZ.

Saying that we fought a top 3 conflict clan in a 3v4vrandoms just a little while ago, we had a level 30 MH as the 3 stack, they got and cleared a low level MH by door camping as the 4 stack and talked big lol. We had a DC and they left without fighting a 2v4 with the level 30MH at stake. Big Horn regen, foam and strafe scripts were about all they had, which was a little disappointing.

[ripe root]

Newbies got spawn kill because they are newbies

At least Fru know how to use mortar well

[limber cedar]

And don't forget the huscle ready to punch the survivors

[ripe root]

They are group of course they have better coordinate than 4 people matching randomly

If you match well player and you also play well, it is possible to win group
Personally had beat Rog with 3 random

[inland tusk]

There is strafe scripts on pc ? 😭

[ripe root]

Mostly I meet fru, I run with melee , passing the front guy and rush their mortar, separate them from 1-1-2 to 1-0-3, then keep distract them, or turn back and focus fire, depends on teammate and situation

[inland tusk]

Hey guys anyone got a good PvP/dz build for a marksman rifle I have the new hand basket wanna see if I can use it in dz

[tacit pond]

just use white death

[wet badger]

I highly doubt there's any advantage to that, unless you have t rex arms

[amber ice]

Do I even need to say it?

[wet badger]

Pretty sure that weapon is DOA

[tardy thistle]

I mean another guy that uses strafe scripts also streamed themself using aim assist so 🤷‍♀️

[ripe root]

Maybe
Even my clan mate asked me about melee script setting 🫠

[tardy thistle]

Tac .308 has better fire rate and base damage.

[floral hearth]

I've been played with them and they're skilled

[rustic phoenix]

Anybody interested in helping me and my mate learn some dz play?really enjoy going in there but just keep getting our butts kicked

[novel osprey]

Real pvp. Solo manny.

[limber cedar]

This is probably gonna be deleted.

[novel osprey]

That is EPIC

A rogue skill bot. Solo manny. This has never happened before

[floral hearth]

Is that an old clip? I have the feeling that I saw that behind the door

[novel osprey]

No. Yesterday

[ripe root]

I am curious no one try to emp or cavalier

[novel osprey]

Those were players that ummmmm. Ya. I think they accidentally found the dz.

[scenic drift]

So my diamondback, shows 1.1M damage, sometimes it shows around 500k dmg, why the dmg number is different from time to time?

[limber cedar]

Dmg shows the weapon damage with the red cores, you probably changed builds.

[full jetty]

Just get more armor 🥱

[wet badger]

did u improve that fire build of yours?

[novel osprey]

It’s still goated.

[wet badger]

can i see it? i can help u improve it so u can hit close to 400k instead

[craggy trench]

im actually curious what your mortar/sticky build is now

[wet badger]

explosive res version with exo holster

[craggy trench]

which holster?

[wet badger]

the one that gives skill damage

[craggy trench]

ah

[novel osprey]

@wet badger

[wet badger]

thats so out dated, no wonder u hit like half my numbers

[brave karma]

Hi lads, opinions on this ideea of mine for a Bighorn hsd PVP build in DZ?
fox - blue hsd
contractor - red hsd
3 piece gila blue haz hsd
and catharsis

[novel osprey]

@wet badger well. I only use it for trolling so I don’t really care. If you wanna offer advice I’ll take it. If not. Ok

[craggy trench]

Go full regen if you are going to use any

[brave karma]

I can replace contractor with the 1% regen brand set I forgot the name

and go with a full red fox

[craggy trench]

3 gila, 2 golan, catharsis, belstone

[brave karma]

or a blue core fox

[craggy trench]

Everyday carrier is the main reason regen is so strong

You'll also want to go hazpro minors with headshot

Don't use regen minors

[brave karma]

what does golan do?

[craggy trench]

Intimidate is also good but you have to play a lot smarter

[craggy trench]

1 pc is status effects 2 pc is regen

[brave karma]

so u cant sneak in 1 red core?

instead of armor

wont the 15 damage be a bit more valuable at that point than 170k armor?

@craggy trench

[wet badger]

troll with this

[craggy trench]

Nah you want to run full armor

[brave karma]

got it

and what about 1 piece W&H

[craggy trench]

I want to expertise fire sticky so bad but then I can't speedrun lower difficulty stuff

[craggy trench]

If you have matador go for it

[brave karma]

what is matador

[craggy trench]

No Walker Harris for you then lol

[brave karma]

=))))

[novel osprey]

Kinetic over glass??? I normally just suicide in turrets

[brave karma]

is matador DZ exclusive?

[novel osprey]

Or decent blueprints @brave karma

[wet badger]

yeah just throw a spec nade and itll begin stacking, yeah it takes 15s but it hits harder and u dont take more incoming damage, obvs for suicide stickies off spawn if you're getting farmd then u use glass

[novel osprey]

Copy. Ty

[wet badger]

make sure u proc perpetuation, i have a pistol with max stability, big shield helps u peek to line up a headshot

after u swap to a weapon with DtA

[craggy trench]

in sync shotgun best here

or if you can stack capacitor

[wet badger]

perpetuation got buffed

[craggy trench]

perpetuation and then swapping to in sync shotgun

[wet badger]

in sync wont do anything

[craggy trench]

wdym

[wet badger]

u cant use both talen ts

[craggy trench]

the ticks are affected by in sync no?

[wet badger]

they are cached once u deploy the sticky

[craggy trench]

interesting

[wet badger]

DtA works, thats why a shotgun or the capacitor are best to swap to

[craggy trench]

its so weird how chem isnt

[wet badger]

chem isnt what

[craggy trench]

it isnt cached on deploy

[wet badger]

pretty sure it is

[craggy trench]

100% not

but chem is also unique in a lot of ways

[wet badger]

so ur telling me i can shoot a foam then swap to a kard before it hits?

[craggy trench]

to raise skill tier? im not sure

[wet badger]

in what way are u saying then?

[craggy trench]

but in sync buffs ticks when you swap to it

for fire chem and oxi

[wet badger]

oxi = bullets

are u sure it isnt just the damage to armour

[craggy trench]

i will do testing later

easier to just use in sync on something with no dta bonus

[wet badger]

it should be an easy test

[craggy trench]

100%

im booting up rn, i can let you know shortly

no in sync

swapping to in sync after detonation

this is with fire sticky btw

fire sticky/ in sync are used in speeds a ton

[merry patio]

yeah skill damage is factored into status damage calc

it also snapshots for some reason so your damage stays the same even if buff runs out

works the other way around too, i.e. if you buffed too late damage is unbuffed

[novel osprey]

@wet badger yours is better. Only change is gnolsm for status instead of perfect creeping. Only bc I’m suiciding.

[wet badger]

creeping death amplifies the damage by around 1.5x, ideally u want as many people to get hit by creeping death and only 1 initial target, an extra 2m of radius is quite a lot in area. suiciding doesnt work anymore since the fire will cleanse.

[novel osprey]

I’ll try it. You was right before

[brave karma]

what skills are being used in pvp?

[ripe root]

Technically yes but you need to far enough so you can swap to kard, get skill tier before chem landing and detonate

[craggy trench]

Depends on the build

[craggy trench]

Nice to know

[wet badger]

Dark Zone or Conflict? What kind of builds? We need more information

[brave karma]

DZ

[novel osprey]

Defender drone Bleed hive. Booster hive. Decoy. Jammer and regular pulse. Emp sticky for non skill based builds

[craggy trench]

Sticky in general

[limber cedar]

And decoy to difficult pinpoint location.

[brave karma]

So not many ppl use the foam

[meager swift]

@brave karma 99.9% of Bighorn / rejen builds use foam cos no foam no flag

[brave karma]

No foam no flag?

[wet badger]

Yes, people use foam, at tier 0, with technician, with a skill build, they use mortar, explosive seeker, sticky bombs of all 3 types on a variety of builds.

Most useful skills for DPS builds are Sticky, Drone, Decoy, Pulse, Foam, Big Shield + Pistol

Skill builds: Mortar, Sticky, Drone, Jammer, Foam, Seeker Mines

[brave karma]

Im using a bighorn regen headshot

It does crazy damage u just need to aim properly

[calm plinth]

defender drone + foam is the most common skill combo with that

[mossy solstice]

I run defender with booster hive

[undone umbra]

Foam 😂😂😂😂

[craggy trench]

I mean he's not wrong

[rain sparrow]

yes foam to lock your enemy in place to fry them

[ripe root]

imo as a cc skill, emp sticky have more advantage then foam with gun build

[tawdry pier]

if said gun build uses technician then foam has a huge advantage simply due to the bonus armor otherwise yeah sticky is more than great

[calm plinth]

emp is good too, but foam is better if they dont have haz

[full jetty]

Anyone got a build for lady death in PvP? Idk if umbra or hunter’s fury would be better for it, or maybe even turning it into a bleed build with bloody knuckles and claws out

[ripe root]

depends situation, you can even throw emp yourself and release you from foam, if you don't have haz

[calm plinth]

i’m just talking ab the context of bh hsd

1 foam = instant death if you don’t have haz

if u emp they can just roll

[ripe root]

yeah they can roll to cancel stagger if they react this
but you foam people, they can fight you if they are face to face you

[calm plinth]

yeah but what build out dps’s a bh aiming at your head

they get 6 blues + adre

hitting like 250k

i do use emp when im bh vs bh btw

[ripe root]

ofcourse you aim their head since they got foam
but, people can also aim your head, it just harder, because you are moving, they standing, doesn't mean you can win by foam for sure

[wet badger]

Harder to do on console, vertical turn speed is non existent

[calm plinth]

i would argue foam (vs non haz) is giving you a more advantageous position than emp

even foam vs bh builds with bad haz

[ripe root]

overall, i think emp are slightly better than foam
advantage of foam is you have 2 charge (or 3), and you can get close enemy with haz and foam, also aim head easier

advantage of emp is you do stagger unless sawyer
you deal damage faster than foam because you don't need to change back to gun slot
you can released from foam by throwing yourself, destroy the bubble
more range than foam

[calm plinth]

i just want to remind you im talking about BH hsd

its much harder to hit someone staggered by emp vs being foamed

especially if they roll then its chalked

[ripe root]

if you talking about bh then your point are right, since most bh build with haz, and that is one of my point, if you close to enemy, you can feel free to use foam, but emp would also stagger yourself

i also want to remind you, i am talking overall emp vs foam, not specific build, because the start point of this topic is here

if the compare base on specific build, well then 6tier foam way more better than 6tier emp sticky

[wet badger]

Both skills serve different purposes, you are both arguing from the wrong standpoint

EMP/Stagger for Crit.

Foam for HS/Bighorn

[calm plinth]

yea

[golden ermine]

Gotta prep it but it can still work if you get the timing down, prob is trying to stagger yourself out foam takes longer than just holding x if it isnt prepped

[wet badger]

That's true but prepping takes away 1 other counterplay... Shooting back.

Since prepping requires u look at the ground u can't try to aim back then fall back on stickying the floor, you have to pick one.

On PC I can see if the angle lets me shoot back, if not the sticky the floor.

[night oar]

What are yalls favorite ar to use?

[craggy trench]

Bighorn, capacitor, Lexington

[night oar]

Everyone's telling me the bh is good, should I really grind for it?

I usually just use honey badger or eagle bearer

[tepid saffron]

@craggy trench did u make this? https://lite.evernote.com/note/e276d9da-3885-ebd9-5354-35b77ed1c75c

[craggy trench]

@tepid saffron

[tepid saffron]

😆

[craggy trench]

Are you just here to troll or are you going to offer anything of value to anyone?

So far you've been back here 3 days and have only gone out of your way to talk shit to me

Talk about holding a grudge

[tepid saffron]

are you mad?

[craggy trench]

You've been thinking about me for over a year....

[tepid saffron]

i just found out who u were a few days ago

[craggy trench]

what exactly is your issue with the builds?

[craggy trench]

im working on it lol

[tepid saffron]

6 yellows 💔

[craggy trench]

send yours maybe ill add it, then you can be on the contribution list!

[tepid saffron]

what am i looking at

i haven't seen anyone use this build for like 2 years minimum

[craggy trench]

its a starter hazpro build

i dont use it either

you have a better suggestion?

[tepid saffron]

no one should use that build

[craggy trench]

ok so suggest something lol

you see how this works?

so far its just critique whats there and not offering any solutions

[tepid saffron]

i mean u know im right

u dont use one of the builds i posted probably cause u know its shit

and u are working on putting the best build in the entire game on the website

[craggy trench]

yea... thats what i just said

[tepid saffron]

like why would u even use this when umbra exists

and there are better builds if u want to use a nemesis

[formal sinew]

Well what do you give if someone asks for a certain build? Like you know it's worse and you say this and they go "idc I still wanna build it" cause that happens

[craggy trench]

you understand that i do this in my free time and its not a 9-5, like im not constantly updating this with every patch

its literally here to give new players a basic understanding of how pvp works

[craggy trench]

im not expecting anyone with 6k hours to run most of these builds

[tepid saffron]

thats fine, as long as you know the list is outdated

[craggy trench]

100% it always needs work

and im open to actual feedback, not "all these builds suck." if you explain why, and give a better option id be happy to add it

the only reason im the one doing a pvp guide in the first place is no one else wanted to, so i offered

[tacit pond]

did he give a proper suggestion yet

[tepid saffron]

i posted a mantis build

umbra he knows about

umbra is not only the best build, its easier to make than most of those builds on the website which is titled 'Basic PVP Starters Guide'

[tacit pond]

there we go that’s progress

[tepid saffron]

i hope thats not matador in these builds

this is a starters guide

[tacit pond]

you won’t believe this but like people can farm for it

[calm plinth]

god roll matador is extremely hard to get

[tacit pond]

never give up

[calm plinth]

for beginner builds ouro striker (current one is meh on the list), striker BH, umbra are easy to make and meta relevant

[calm plinth]

lmg umbra and capacitor

his perfect spotter build is good tho

[tacit pond]

from what i know it’s getting added later

[craggy trench]

how should i change it?

[craggy trench]

https://discordapp.com/channels/477210626742288384/1207684791227654184/1362899811468316823

[craggy trench]

why is golan and wyvern here?

[tepid saffron]

ask patrick wolf

[craggy trench]

ok so you are trolling

[calm plinth]

i would trust @wet badger more with the best way to run them

but when i get home i’ll send mine

[craggy trench]

ive asked him for any ideas to change the guide and i got no response

[craggy trench]

send whatever you think should be changed, i should be able to get some of it done this weekend

[tepid saffron]

with that build yes

with what i said no

[craggy trench]

fair

the mantis build is a good idea, i dont think there has ever been an mmr build on the guide

i should add a shotgun build probably

[calm plinth]

yea that mantis build is disgusting

can beat anything ngl

[craggy trench]

thoughts? probably gonna put bighorn on it. survivalist and a note that everyday carrier is a good piece to run as well

[craggy trench]

mantis in general is slept on

[calm plinth]

i think cav isnt reliable enough

if you’re running tardi you want a regen build

[craggy trench]

okok

mask is coyotes, its on another character @calm plinth

[golden ermine]

Hes egoing you 😭

[craggy trench]

i doubt it tbh, i think he just doesnt care enough

[golden ermine]

Im jk, prob busy or doesnt care

[calm plinth]

is this optimal math wise? i run grupo holster contractor gloves iirc

[craggy trench]

Yea I believe so

2 Walker might be slightly worse than grupo

Just because DTA is already on shotgun

[calm plinth]

i just realized

you need 3-4 blues and intimidate

i personally run 3 blues

also the fire shotgun for the pistol slot

then run striker shield and a sticky like fire

[craggy trench]

Fire shotgun?

[craggy trench]

I still need a badger intimidate

[calm plinth]

i can’t remember what it’s called

the one you get in the specialist tree

does a surprising amount of damage

[craggy trench]

I know what you mean

Why use it??

[calm plinth]

does a ton of damage

can come in clutch if you have to reload both guns

[craggy trench]

Nice I'll throw it on there once I get intimidate

[wet badger]

I still don't have it, 6.5k hours...

[calm plinth]

can you send builds

also same

[wet badger]

Not right now

But if anyone asks izaw does know his shit too, he just can't be bothered to explain in a roundabout way like me, that double ceska headshot build is a dead build, has been for years

[craggy trench]

Yea idk. I got it within 300 hours of playing pc

[tacit pond]

that’s crit haz pro no? not headshot

[calm plinth]

you need 2

chc chd and hsd hazpro

[craggy trench]

Full crit is on there

[calm plinth]

blue chc chd is blessed

[full jetty]

What have I done

I am become death, destroyer of worlds

If I can get the chance to 55%, I can just focus all on crit dmg

[brisk copper]

I can't put together a pvp build, no matter what I try. Starting to think it's a skill problem, not gear 🤔

This is what i have, any advice? Other than maybe a ceska chest

[golden ermine]

Bighorn

[brisk copper]

Don't have one.

[amber ice]

@brisk copper Head on over to #td2-build-advice > then go to the 📌 pinned-message > spreadsheet 2 > builds. At the top of the list, there's a PvP guide with a bunch of meta setups inside.

[brisk copper]

Oh, oki I can look at that, thanks 🙂

[tardy thistle]

Basically need this build as support for taking south stairs against Intimidate striker chatterbox squads. Everyday Carrier isn't really needed there.

[tardy thistle]

I don't believe so, Grupo is top IIRC. If another player is running the same build so you'll have near 100% uptime on short range Coyote's, replace your own Coyote's with a W&H mask.

[tardy thistle]

No, you need a Ceska Intimidate chest so you can use it on other builds. Easy piece to replace is away the holster and you can use Ammo Dump for a free attribute you'll never need.

[tardy thistle]

Lose Perfect Unbreakable if you running it (I can't tell 100%), replace with Ceska, lose killer on Lexi, don't run gunner.

[ripe root]

If looking for hard breaching against gun team, i won't suggest cavalier, but everyday is optional

[brisk copper]

I only have the ZF because loading a ceska with chd and chc with unbreakable is going to take me a golden age

[tardy thistle]

It's whatever really, they'll have firenade for sledge and TTK is so fast that any support builds sort of breakdown, so really it's just for tardi.

[brisk copper]

also - what's wrong with gunner/

[tardy thistle]

Pretty sure this is the most consistently strongest crit shot build. 60/167 on shotgun. Police m4 is lexi.

[wet badger]

its the weakest and least used spec in PvP, its only worth running for LMGs, the foam nade is pretty strong but u cant proc sledge with it

[ripe root]

Best way to breaching is tardigrade and survivalist on 1 people, kit push and finish battle before all kit used

[tardy thistle]

Just not playing the game is the real way to win.

[calm plinth]

rip

[brisk copper]

?

[calm plinth]

the builds in the spreadsheet arent good

[brisk copper]

Oh, well that's unfortunate, spent all afternoon piecing together the pestilence one 🤣🤣

[calm plinth]

make this @brisk copper

you can change the pulse to whatever and the only wep that matters is capacitor

[brisk copper]

Problem is I'm not a fan of skill builds

[calm plinth]

you'll out dps most builds with it dw

[brisk copper]

You pc? Console?

[calm plinth]

pc

[brisk copper]

I'd love to see it in action

[calm plinth]

not sure if i have clips

but you'll crit for around 250k+

[brisk copper]

Err.. excuse my obvious ignorance.. that's high?

[calm plinth]

extremely

use your sticky to stagger them and they're dead before the stagger is finished

[brisk copper]

Must be VERY different to PVE then, coz i hit high 900's - 1.1 in legendaries

[calm plinth]

yea damage is different

[brisk copper]

I'll go see what's in the stash on pc... my patience is up with console

[calm plinth]

theres an iron lung version with ceska backpack and contractor gloves as well

very good

[brisk copper]

It's umbra gear, right? over saturated

[calm plinth]

yea

[brisk copper]

Yea.... grind time..

Thanks for the tip though

Uh, sorry one last question. Chc on the greens?

[calm plinth]

whatever you need to roll to hit around 60chc

then rest chd

im also using technician

[brisk copper]

I'm sure there will be a reason beyond my comprehension for that. Thanks again 🙂

[calm plinth]

lol nah, you can use firewall medkit if you want but technician buffs your capictor and sticky damage due to the extra skill tier

[wet badger]

It's a hybrid build, it's a gun build that ALSO has access to good skills.

The best of both worlds, one of the strongest builds in the game, I'd use a drone though with sticky personally.

[calm plinth]

iron lung is ceska vigi with contractor right (umbra)

[brisk copper]

I assume it's a picaros as holster. Damage on picaro stays at 10 now?

[calm plinth]

yep

[wet badger]

iron lung is also good with ninjabike if u cant help but trade, its good for trading anyway because of fire, i think datboi was being overly critical on that one. a lot of newer playres dont know how to play with vigilance

[brisk copper]

Stick a DOT on them and bugger off?

Done. Altered slightly, but same stats.

Uhh.. so kaboom sticky and ... defender... drone..?

[wet badger]

If you have no extra skill tiers (as you have it) then explosive sticky has less value than an emp for general use.

The drone makes u competitive in face trades, if you know how to hold your angle and only take gunfights that are advantageous to you then you can drop the drone for a decoy.

[calm plinth]

what he said

[craggy trench]

The pestilence one is really good

I run that a lot

[craggy trench]

I'm still waiting on your screenshots

[calm plinth]

i sent my umbra

but theres a lot of ways to run it

[craggy trench]

What's your umbra 1.5?

Yea but I also can't just add 5 different umbra builds

I'll probably do a weapon focused, armor, and skill

[full jetty]

More red core, typically 3 red and 3 blue. I prefer coyotes mask over catharsis and I’d run a strikers chest piece with a different BP like the gift or madator

[calm plinth]

i think the 2 main ways to run it is the one i sent and then one with 5 skill tiers

no reds

[craggy trench]

5 skill tier, 1.5 armor?

I have 6 skill tier 1.3M armor on mine

[calm plinth]

and eitehr walker or gila

[craggy trench]

I'll add them

I use 6 for conflict

[calm plinth]

idk @wet badger knows more

[craggy trench]

^

[wet badger]

You dont run strikers chest, especially not the bag in addition, any striker build should be 2/4 at least, 5B is a good balance, 6B also works. bag is good because u need a chest talent + exotic of choic, cath best coyote if crit

[craggy trench]

Who has striker chest?

[floral hearth]

Whats better for Hazard protection with big horn and Efficent medkits? 3 Golans or 3 Gilas?

[wet badger]

GIla, but Golan is close to the same

[oak kindle]

somebody help me with a umbra iron lung build

[brisk copper]

So I got absolutely annihilated trying to use capacitor.

I swapped out picaro and whatever the knees were for 2 lengmo pieces and deleted everyone the next 2 games with pestilence.

[tacit pond]

yea thats also a good umbra variant

[brisk copper]

Then because it was 5am I went to bed.

[brisk copper]

I was thinking about ongoing directive because of the hollowpoints, but then I couldn't figure out how you'd reliably proc them

[full jetty]

Bet
3p umbra, 2p legmo, Ninjabike BP

Or just do what i do, 4p umbra, coyote mask and the gift

All red btw

[calm plinth]

contractor gloves ceska vigi backpack all red

[oak kindle]

waht is the gift

i never heard of that item before

[tacit pond]

gift sucks unless on regulus or something

[tacit pond]

this one is the goat super vouch

[full jetty]

Perfect vigilance

[full jetty]

Bro just strafe and use cover properly

Riot foam

Like bro

[craggy trench]

the gift is not good in pvp unless you are using a headshot build

[full jetty]

Bro just learn how to move in PvP

[calm plinth]

the gift is only good with like glass reg

[tardy thistle]

1 less second until Vig returns is not worth losing crit attributes from brandsets.

[tardy thistle]

Nah use Big Horn with Umbra and Ceska Vig, I hit a HS for like 570k the other day on a 3/3 split, could just be BH getting broken though. Against a cheater I use the same build with 6 red and works well enough against full RPM.

[craggy trench]

@tardy thistle what do you run for BH regen

3 Gila?

[tardy thistle]

I actually run 3p Golan for a bit more armour Much of a muchness though and while Gila is probably better I can't be assed farming it. I run Matador too and against other regen players I mostly don't bother shooting them and let someone with a crit build on the team deal with it.

[craggy trench]

Ok cool, I run 2 Golan+emp and @calm plinth runs 3 Gila

So this is exactly what I was comparing

I like the 2 Golan+emp because I only change one piece to run HK without losing regen

[tardy thistle]

Pretty sure the differences would be in how people play, I use regen so pesti players don't eat all my kits and I have enough time to get somewhere and use a firewall kit if needed. 3p Golan is fine for that IMO and I try not to get focused by a heap of players and just strafe till they kill me.

[inland tusk]

If in dz,u can proc ez,if in conflict,no

[vast patio]

After like a month of farming for matador I finely got it... but I don`t know should I laugh or cry.

its like THE only version I got in whole time...

[wet badger]

Bro.. the gift is pointless unless you use it on regulus, there's no other build u use it on.

[vast patio]

So, is it even worth changing handling to chc and just running with -1 blue or better to change core? Cuz honestly Im already starting getting irl nightmares from countdown cache farming

[ripe root]

Roll to blue core on crit build, as a transition until you farm double crit

[limber cedar]

The same time you were farming the backpack, you could have farm its blueprint on descent to craft any attribute you want on it.

[tacit pond]

it’s not vigi that sucks

vigi is really good

but you dont need perfect vigi

[vast patio]

From 5 nemesis kills i get like 1 cache, one run takes around 1h. And with my luck I will get that blueprint as a last drop out of whole list.

But I still do that when i have time 🤷‍♂️

[calm plinth]

biggest lie

ive easily done close to a hundred runs or more and still no matador bp

[limber cedar]

It's not, I didn't take one month to get the named blueprint I was looking for (claws out)

[limber cedar]

Skill issue

[craggy trench]

I have all the pvp blueprints besides emp

[wet badger]

I played descent 1 time, never again, I'll probably never get my blue double crit matador... Oh well

[craggy trench]

Play it with me, we can run a loop 40 sometime

[wet badger]

er.rr.. i would rather || REDACTED REDACTED REDACTED |||

[craggy trench]

Fair lol

[tepid saffron]

First time I played descent I got the matador blueprint. Lucky me

[calm plinth]

no one asked

[tepid saffron]

U jealous?

[craggy trench]

Pretty lucky ngl

[undone umbra]

Yeah my friend also running this for only 1 time and got it I needed 3 weeks and i run this 24/7 to get it in these 3 weeks

[golden ermine]

Ive done about 10 runs and got it from my last run

[full jetty]

But those extra seconds man

3 instead of 4

Game changer

[full jetty]

Nah

[craggy trench]

Bro....

It's not worth running over regular vigi with a crit brand

You can't post names here

[ocean fossil]

Whatever, if cheaters don't get banned, what do I get?

[craggy trench]

they will ban you here before the cheater

[tacit pond]

no not really

[crystal ferry]

"""""extra seconds"""""

[craggy trench]

yea threeeeeeeeeeeeeeee four

[full jetty]

insert sarcasm

[tacit pond]

no sarcasm here that one second isnt worth the loss of a crit brand

[full jetty]

But but but but 3s man

Just ambush them like I do

[tacit pond]

yea and i will do that and have better crit stats than you

so i will win even more

ambushing doesnt get better with perfect vigi

because you can do the exact same with regular

the only thing that changes in re-engaging after losing vigi and hiding since you can re-engage 1s sooner with perfect but thats not worth losing better crit stats for

[craggy trench]

and you are PC

[tacit pond]

true...

i can use aim assist as an excuse when i lose more

[calm plinth]

if you’re ambushing what difference does perfect vigi make 😭

there’s no re-engaging with a full red umbra either

[tacit pond]

idk i’m just trying to make him understand

[storm anvil]

Returning after a 536 day break. Is cheating in "Conflict" and "Dark Zone" still a common thing?

[full jetty]

Yes (I just suck at the game)

[stiff yew]

I haven't played DZ in a while but conflict seems fine to me on PC. I come across the occasional suspect player, but most of the time these players just have very min/maxed builds and understand all the little tricks. Lots of people like to call cheats when they get outplayed/outmatched.

[tardy thistle]

F*cked by cheaters? I've played against 2 cheaters the night before, 3 cheaters yesterday, maybe I'll see 4 cheaters today lol.

[tardy thistle]

Yes. Forgot stuff like aim assist, the game is full of blatant cheaters shooting through wall and using RPM. Probably seen a dozen or so different cheaters in the last 3 weeks.

One thing we can do here is list all the cheaters that have been banned by name, this doesn't break the name and shame rule as no cheaters have ever been banned.

[meager swift]

@tardy thistle OCE DZ is getting bombarded by Cheaters every day now , most are Chinese speaking players too

[wet badger]

Yeah but didn't the French guy ban them all? You know.. the ones we don't find 😁

[neat musk]

"When you can get full blown cheats for under $50 now on various cheat selling forums you know the game is near the end "
cs2

price of cheats has nothing to do with end of games life

bet you 50 bucks div 3 cheats are out day 3 for less then 50 bucks lol

[meager swift]

You got a crystal ball lol

[neat musk]

its pretty obvious man

every game out there has cheats under 50 bucks

lol

also tarkov hardcore on cheaters lmao

that never happened

[tardy thistle]

IDK where they come from, regardless I try and tell them all the same thing, which is to die in a fire.

[meager swift]

I seen that

[tardy thistle]

@wet badger does your fire sticky build use skill haste or damage for the sub attributes?

[wet badger]

Considering that skill damage makes your fire stronger (I don't think it should) then what do u think the answer is?

[tardy thistle]

I honestly thought only status effects did that and skill damage would be the initial damage from the sticky.

[wet badger]

Those were exactly my thoughts also, then I found out otherwise.... Bad design IMO.

We wouldn't need all these hazard options if the fire wasn't so absurd to begin with.

Creeping death is still providing a damage buff (imo it's a glitch) as it's double dipping from the skill tiers stats.

First target is always 2/3 of the spread target.

Pre WONY it was the opposite, spread targets not punished because some idiot peeked next to him.

It should be a 1:1 but when the new kneepads aren't 1:1 it seems the devs either don't want it that way or they can't code properly.

[tardy thistle]

Yeah fair enough, what a odd rabbit hole of presumed unintended results.

[ripe root]

you mean each tick of burning are 2/3?

[wet badger]

Try it with fire seeker, since skill tiers provide more in way of damage this is most likely the reason for the damage increase being so high.

On a well made full yellow seeker is like 1:2.3 which is ridiculous, it's just the base number is so small it doesn't seem crazy but they do burn for a good 30s

@ripe root I mean the first targets are 200k, the spread targets are ~300k.

It's a solid 50% increase on fire sticky and more so on fire seeker.

It should be 1:1

[ripe root]

🤔

[ripe root]

Just my own inference without any evidence :
The damage you deal to target A, increase by you dta, amplifier etc., then finally number pass to target B by creepy death, the damage taking by B, the damage source from you, so dta amp increase it again

[wet badger]

I don't think DtA is double dipping

[ripe root]

Not sure fixed or not but dta double dipping with Nego

It might also work on creppy

[wet badger]

I tried working how it can be as high as 50%, but if you check the skill tiers stat page you'll see stats like burn damage increase or burn duration skills that have "damage" seem to somewhat line up the damage increase

I thought it could have been status effects or skill damage but it doesn't seem to work, I last tested this in depth in 2022

[ripe root]

I have dayoff between 22-25 and i have date with @craggy trench in dz, do you interested to join? We can also test it

[wet badger]

Sure, why not

[craggy trench]

Still double dips

[craggy trench]

Works for me lol

[ripe root]

[full jetty]

Anyone know a good lady death pvp build?

[limber cedar]

Melee build

[craggy trench]

I've seen people run that ninja, 3 striker 2 Brazos build

But idk how good it actually is

[full jetty]

Bloody knuckles claws out

😈

[limber cedar]

No bloody knuckles, you're losing survivability by putting in a red piece, instead of a brand piece that gives you regen.

[full jetty]

What brand would be good with that tho if im tryna just bonk people

[limber cedar]

system corruption, despite it being like one of those less than 1% to drop on the DZ items that is not even worth trying to farm, it is not even good compared to other gear sets but I can dream, right?
Just make it regeneration build that you can have up to 4% of armor regeneration + attributes or 3.5% of regeneration if you put a tardigrade for conflict.

Usually it is 3 gila guard, the named kneepads: emperor's guard and a belstone armory chest.

[full jetty]

I have most that

I dont need system corrupt, umbra tops all

[limber cedar]

I hate how you are right

Scammer detected

[full jetty]

Im the most toxic DZ player ever 😈

Best I’ve ever done with umbra is a killed 6 people in like 50 seconds, but the CP was so close to where I was, the first dude I downed came back and side ambushed me

[tepid saffron]

It used to have crazy burst damage when you paired it with intimidate before the nerf

[golden ermine]

Agreed 😦

[craggy trench]

They should've left the insta kit on Syscor alone but added a timer to it

[limber cedar]

Or make it like a rage mode, like the overdrive modifier, you press the button and have a temporary increase on your speed, damage and survivability.

[calm plinth]

@golden ermine you’re on pc?

[golden ermine]

Kinda, farmed a lil, dont really got many builds and expertise yet

[untold verge]

Good morning everyone 🌅. Can i send a build from a player to explain me why use those gloves with those weapons and if it's good this build?

[tawdry pier]

Go ahead? I mean as long as names are hidden cause they do be removing any posts that contain real player names

[untold verge]

This. I'm confused about gloves with those weapons and if its good. I'm still weak and i want a good build for PvP

[tawdry pier]

You should be confused with the yaahl and walker instead

[untold verge]

Oh I'm so bad. Sorry

[tawdry pier]

The gloves are actually great cause of the 8% dta as long as it doesn't impact your chc by a lot

[untold verge]

So can i make same and what mask and chest use?

[tawdry pier]

Also capacitor is busted but i'm not sure if it is on that build

[tawdry pier]

If you want a meta hold on

[untold verge]

I would like a build to survive also because i have no friends to play together and always kill me. I can't get Matador solo

[tawdry pier]

Honestly go for this it's basically what's most used currently

Make sure minor blue rolls are hazard and minor reds are headshot

[untold verge]

Oh ok but on aim I'm so bad

[tawdry pier]

Use foam? I mean if you're really bad no build will help i can tell you that straight up

You can only do so much with only the build side

[untold verge]

Any different build except headshot?

[tawdry pier]

https://lite.evernote.com/note/e276d9da-3885-ebd9-5354-35b77ed1c75c
you could use any tanky setup you find there

[untold verge]

Ok thank you for information. Much appreciated @tawdry pier

[craggy trench]

The Meta is BH regen, pestilence and capacitor

None of which besides BH are mainly tanky

[calm plinth]

the ouro builds are still there 😭

[golden ermine]

Ouro was only decent on striker :/

[craggy trench]

That's what I had it on lol

[craggy trench]

I'm working on it!

It'll be updated tonight

[tepid saffron]

If your going to use this build, replace the gila for a walker and Harris piece

If you want to use a gila piece, use the chill out mask and put on more armor instead of yellows

[craggy trench]

I followed what @wet badger said

^

[wet badger]

Its a matter of preference, if u wanna hit a little harder use W&H, if u wanna surprise people with a lil extra tankiness go Gila

Chillout isnt necessary because u have CHC rolls/mods somewhere in the build

[craggy trench]

Have you tried foundary+ gila for super tanky version?

[wet badger]

nah, lose too much value, at taht point just use 2 Golan

you only actually have 1 spare piece, what gives u the most value?

Walker is good but I think Fenris is better, an extra 30% reload speed for around 2% less damage, I'll take it

[craggy trench]

Yea tbh I didn't like running walker feels wasted

[ripe root]

(25weapon damage + 1blue core + 5%dta )vs (2attribute + bp talent)?

[craggy trench]

Brazo bp not a bad option

[ripe root]

my through is, you run ninja and you still 3blue only, normally you won't stand at frontline and face trade with 3 only right? anyway you stay behide like normal vigilance, why don't lower blue to get vigilance

[tepid saffron]

u def can face trade with only 3 lol

u do a stupid amount of dmg

[ripe root]

enemy also deal less amount of dmg to kill you

[tepid saffron]

unless they are also running umbra, or sticky fire you, 9/10 u will outdps them

as long as rng is in ur favor lol

[ripe root]

ok then my question is, why don't you run 6red then face trade, it also outdps 3blue umbra

[tepid saffron]

survivability

[ripe root]

then 6blue umbra?

[tepid saffron]

too low of dmg

[ripe root]

compare with 6blue, how many percentage of damage gain and armor lost?
with 6red how many percentage of armor gain and damage lost?

[craggy trench]

I could probably figure that out lol

[tepid saffron]

idk the math

[ripe root]

i believe you have golden ratio of 3:3 right?

[tepid saffron]

maybe (?) i just found from experience that its the sweet spot of enough dmg and enough armor

[ripe root]

please don't tell me idk if you are persist in 3:3,
persuade me to 3:3 please

[tepid saffron]

how would u like me to persuade u

by using math or making up hypothetical situations where 3:3 is king

[craggy trench]

Even if you are face trading with 3/3 a couple shots with vigi active can swing the fight

[tepid saffron]

Who uses any build with vigi nowadays

Like what build

[calm plinth]

do you actually pvp? what build has a ‘persistent’ way to run it in pvp?

[ripe root]

i stand for at least 4blue if you fight and frontline
ALSO FROM MY EXPERIENCE
with 4 blue, you can take 1 shot of gc mortar, you may bleed to die but you have time to use kit
with 3 just say bye bye
that is my theory of the blue threshold

[calm plinth]

the amount of blues, yellows and reds the umbra build has depends on what the player wants to do

[full jetty]

Me

[tepid saffron]

i dont even know ppl who use gc mortars anymore

[full jetty]

I will defend it till I die

[tepid saffron]

can you post the build

[ripe root]

@craggy trench btw when we go date😂 want your excalty online time

[simple crater]

anyone want for a dark hour raid i have no one

[full jetty]

Got u:

[full jetty]

#lfg-raid-console

[craggy trench]

I'm about to get on rn

[full jetty]

Ignore the hive, I run EMP or deflector drone

[tepid saffron]

i cant even post a gif reacting to this

[ripe root]

grupo better btw

[full jetty]

Wildin

[craggy trench]

Sokolov^

[full jetty]

TTK too fast

[ripe root]

ok im coming

[ripe root]

or fernis, too risk with smg+vigilance

[craggy trench]

True

[craggy trench]

This loadout was so confusing to me lol

[tepid saffron]

how is it that the division pvp community doesn't know how to make builds in 2025

[craggy trench]

It's almost decent

[full jetty]

🤮

[tepid saffron]

id rather use the build aceofspades posted than that

[full jetty]

Wildin

[ripe root]

yaahl for?

[tepid saffron]

bro

[full jetty]

If i want hazpro just run umbra yaahl

[craggy trench]

Its hollowman

[tepid saffron]

thers no reason why u should ever run such a build

[craggy trench]

2 Brazos over the walker and yaahl

[tepid saffron]

like contracors > fox's ??

[calm plinth]

console meta is 5 years behind bc they only use certain builds

[tepid saffron]

this looks like something somoene would run 3 years ago

[craggy trench]

Technically contractors is higher dps than fox

[ripe root]

any voice chat? or just typing?

[craggy trench]

We can get in a vc

[tepid saffron]

does dta apply to shields?

[craggy trench]

No

[ripe root]

mostly i still typing usless my have enough vocabulary😂 but i can listen

[craggy trench]

Also with capacitor specifically Dtooc from Fox is stronger

[tepid saffron]

does anyone here play in the dz on pc

[amber ice]

#lfg-pc does.

[craggy trench]

lol

[tepid saffron]

im not looking for a group, i want to know their names on pc if they pvp in the dz

[amber ice]

There's no master list of DZ players, anyone can play anything.

[tepid saffron]

?

[amber ice]

I'm not really sure what you're looking for exactly, but just make sure it falls within #rules #12.

[tepid saffron]

uh

im pretty sure im not breaking any rules by asking the people ive been having a conversation with what their names on pc are

[amber ice]

#lfg-pc will be pretty much it, if you are asking about finding players.
If they want their names to be initially visible, they'd have them on their profile/username.

[calm plinth]

@tepid saffron please refer to #lfg-pc to find a crew if you’re struggling with rogues

please read channel names next time

[tepid saffron]

😃

[tawdry pier]

reg mostly is when i use vig

[tepid saffron]

I understand reg, nemesis, or iron lung but ar vig? Na

[tawdry pier]

i'd say when yaahl decoy since you could practically have it up for most of the damage youll deal

though im not sure how strong ninja umbra + 2 yaahl would be compared to it

[tepid saffron]

I’ve seen ppl use this

Otherwise this is an old decoy build

Hold out the kard pistol until u get close to fight ppl

[calm plinth]

why prov over perfect spotter?

[tawdry pier]

probably due to ninja

[calm plinth]

i think it’s still worth

well the nem makes sense with prov nvm

[tawdry pier]

looks like a crit starved build too

[tepid saffron]

Cc

[craggy trench]

It'll be slightly shorter than normal

No grupo and llp

[tardy thistle]

For Capacitor or shotgun Fox's better.

[tardy thistle]

PR already lacks damage, running NBBP over Vig is insane.

3p Yaahl, Ceska, Grupo/Coyote's and Contractor's is probably the best, no maths just top of my head thinking.

[tepid saffron]

but u can't be on a decoy for almost 5 minutes with this

[wet badger]

That build is so useless, it was mid before Umbra but completely useless, I almost cut where the cat points when I saw one of my team mates running it

[tepid saffron]

its a rat build, id only ever use it when im solo trying to just stay as far back as i can undetected

idk who would run it in a group lol

[wet badger]

Yeah but even then there's better options, being undetected is only worth it if you plan on pushing, spotter is useless for the Nemi, you'd have to hot swap to perfect focus, kingbreaker is a useless stash weapon now

[tardy thistle]

Yeah it refreshes and you just throw it down again.

[undone gate]

Hey good mornin

Any1 know how much dmg reduction the defender drone give in pvp while in overcharge?

[limber cedar]

There is no overcharge in pvp

[static sand]

What are some decent skills for someone to use who isn't looking to engage in PVP unless necessary? I usually like going to farm on days like today where it's W&H to try and get a Matador. I'm using the AR PVP build but just with red core Matador/Grupo Unbreakable, so close to optimal but still far

I'm just getting rolled in all engagements by seemingly the same Bighorn setup

[calm plinth]

run umbra

[calm plinth]

use this

just hit them with the sticky and shoot them and they’re dead

[static sand]

Yellow ninja umbra looks cursed lol

[calm plinth]

it’s not

you’ll be critting for 200k

[static sand]

And just get enough chance to max and then supplement with damage huh

[calm plinth]

yep

[static sand]

Would this be considered off meta?

Because I swear I see the same stuff in DZ when I get killed

[calm plinth]

no it’s meta

if you don’t like skills you can make it 3:3 or 4:2 blues/refs

[static sand]

I just have to roll into Countdown at some point for some Umbra, have everything else thankfully

[craggy trench]

Yea it's meta now

[static sand]

I always feel like I'm missing something in DZ though. I know I'm not a bad shot but it just feels some people don't die

I'll call it a skill issue but yeesh sometimes it's bad

[calm plinth]

clip a fight and send it here

next time you feel that way

[static sand]

Well I got clipped 2v1 so not worthy but seems decent against NPC's as well

I gotta roll the parts to a higher CHC and then get another knee to damage but seems fine. I'm guessing the loop is go in cover, get full stacks, out of cover aggro to get the most, take cover again? I've never used Umbra

[calm plinth]

maintaining stacks yea

if you have yellows your sticky will do a lot of damage

besides that just play like any normal build

[wet badger]

Does anyone have a full screenshot of the new mask?

the bottom bit

[floral hearth]

At this point we playing Yu Gi Oh trap cards shooter

Pestilence should be reworked as status effect

[midnight remnant]

looks like theres a stabilizer portion to the mask

[wet badger]

I think its the ability to ADS while on fire but there could be something else

[craggy trench]

They never fully showed it

[midnight remnant]

if thats the case, i think it may be my fave

[tardy thistle]

Hopefully the talent is to auto-kill hardwired players if they are hiding in a checkpoint.

A red core and Hazpro sub-attribute, way to miss the mark for both PvE and PvP.

[tacit pond]

and probably a status

they gotta make it so you can reroll exotic armor or something….

[wet badger]

They really need to make this update the one where u can re-configure exos, I want hazard on my Tardigrade already like Jesus Christ how long will we have to wait to do this

[rugged stirrup]

any good pvp builds for someone with 1000 SHD lvl?

[ripe root]

also remove the regen on tardigrade🤣

[mossy solstice]

Tardigrade should've dropped with hazard to begin with. Why the fk did they drop the other chest with hazard but not tardigrade? The new mask looks like it'll be a good dz toy for those who like to abuse status. Might be a good pair with st elmos and vigilance 🫨 oh no I see the meta returning

If the DLC update goes smoothly, and maybe just maybe offers cool new loot and MAYBE a new dz, I might just come back officially. Been off this game too long and don't miss it's bullshit

Definitely see smart cover being used in dz once the dlc drops for sure as well

[wet badger]

It always should have been Hazard, or if the devs played their own game they'd have realised that regen interferes with the mechanic upon receiving burst damage, its been an issue in PvP and sometimes PvE (health gate mostly saves u anyway) for years, same with Unbreakable, then they go and put a meta mask (Cathasis) ALSO with regen keeping this issue in the game, if they removed regen from the roll or let us re-roll it they wouldnt really haveto bother fixing the mechanic, HP buffs from Gila help but its just a band aid, cant they just fix this bug??

[wet badger]

A quick look at the values here indicate something quite meta shifting which is a breath of fresh air, BUT there are PvP stats that could be less than half

[mossy solstice]

This is why I stopped playing- too many old issues they just don't fix. Each new update dilutes our loot pool, or they give us gimmicky loot as filler loot since they couldn't come up with better. I'll give credit where credit is due, they're trying. But they will really need to step up their game. Fix the old issues, rebalance the damn pvp, undo the nerfs for pve (striker, looking at you), and fix some of the other Gearsets. Boom, game would be golden with the new dlc

The game feels lukewarm where all gear feels mediocre. Even on vanilla/modifier play. It's like they took the power creep builds and flattened them all. There's still the powerful builds and all but the changes kinda made the worse builds worse in a way. Depends on what it is

What I'm trying to say is, ever since they introduced the modifiers, the fun factor kinda left, if that makes sense

[wet badger]

Ill probably never use any modifiers

makes no difference to me

[ripe root]

they haven't fully show the talent of mask, but personally I think it pretty troll
Nowadays most status effect make different when it apply, for example foam, fire sticky, those stack won't actually help

When you get stack, the battle are finish already

[tardy thistle]

I hope it makes no difference, I'm not spending $15 supporting a company that can't ban cheaters, just had one benign cheater and other completely wreaked what little pvp we had going.

[ripe root]

I am curious what is the skill health for, if enemy shot the cover to 0hp the buff lost?or the drill?😂

[tardy thistle]

Like you don't need ISAC to be operational to know this is cheater.

[wet badger]

That's what I've been wondering too, maybe it can be EMPd, 1 sticky and its gone, Jammer and its gone...

I dont think it makes for the cover to have a HP bar, but rather the projectile, but that projectile will be tiny, if even an object, it might be a HP bar like the Achilles Pulse, only affected by something something external, for Achilles its the zone, for SC its Disrupt

[ripe root]

I think the armor pretty strong to against fire, sometimes you don't have time to put down stronger hive

[mossy solstice]

Deadass 💀💀 unless the build inspect is bugged rn. Or there's cheats that will display one build but he's using another?

That's the other problem. I shouldn't have to feel like every death I have in this game is either due to an exploit, bug, or cheats. If they are running that build, yeah nah that's obvious cheats. If the inspect is bugged, coulda been killed by anything at that rate

[tardy thistle]

didn't even get killed by him, a LM got done faster than I expected and that was the player.

[mossy solstice]

You summed it up pretty damn accurately there 🫵😂🤡💀🤌 love that lmao

And it's the entire server of 12 yelling into voice chat at DZ South Alpha 😭😭

[mossy solstice]

yahhhhh hell no 😭 I'd run the other direction or find the nearest checkpoint. If he flags it's likely he can shoot thru walls

[tardy thistle]

1.9 is in the range for GC sniper

Besides, can't out run some cheaters

I mean the type of cheater that shoots through whole buildings, almost evey one has been flagged on ISAC and i provided proof for the one that hadn't been yet.

[calm plinth]

maybe for snipers

avtually the smart cover could be insane

[wet badger]

pop shot coming back

but even so u take less damage and if u get bonus armour too

the new exo bag for healers

[ripe root]

The sad thing is everyone just spam "cheater", whatever it's real or not

[amber ice]

"proving they're real", by checking their headshot rate, or has it improved since then?

because when the "service" (as they called it at the time, so we assume that there's a paid aspect to it) it counted your entire time within the DZ.

[tardy thistle]

Er no, I search their names and see proof that members of the pvp community have uploaded.

[amber ice]

Oh that's going to go really well.

I'm going to assume that the "proof" is a mix of actual proof and that one bot the creators tried to get added to this Server.

[tardy thistle]

I'ma post a picture, that includes names but that's not the point, for educational purposed. happened just a few hours ago.

[amber ice]

That edit didn't help.

[tardy thistle]

still going to do it, it's clearly show the sort of proof we are talking about.

[amber ice]

Can anyone help translate this?

my translate site isn't helping.

[ripe root]

What is the proof, the number or anything else?
Let say if I create new account, then I only shot head after I foam, or I just hire someone and let me spam headshot, am I cheat?

[tardy thistle]

This, for a non cheating player, is impossible.

[ripe root]

That is the evidence, not the gear screen cap you sent before

[tardy thistle]

For the non pvp players here, that is a sniper rifle with the firerate of an GAU-13.

[wet badger]

You should add the in game sound to that pic

[tardy thistle]

That guy was a cheater, you can't teleport and aimbot with the gear provided in the game.

[tardy thistle]

that one didn't even sound good, I think he broke the firerate and it just sounded like a machinegun.

[amber ice]

I love how people always post things in the right place, that way they can always get actual assistance and not just "look at me, im helping" points.

[tardy thistle]

Oh, I thought that the people that didn't PvP here might like to see what we call a cheater.

[amber ice]

Just didn't see #rules #12?

[tardy thistle]

I have more pictures if that is helpful?

[tardy thistle]

Er no? the people in the image were my homies so I would never shame them even if I named them. No one can see the cheater as he is shooting through a wall.

[amber ice]

So the point of the picture was to show off that you had friends?

[tardy thistle]

Not just friends, but ones that were unjustly targeted by a cheater. It also provides a firm idea of what a lot of PvP'ers call cheaters.

[amber ice]

How do you get "justly" targeted by a cheater?

[tardy thistle]

Shall I post it again?

[craggy trench]

I think you are kind of missing the point here

[tardy thistle]

Bad karma most likely.

[amber ice]

That's not what that is.

None of this is using the right language.

This server today is acting weirder than normal.

[calm plinth]

these just make umbra stronger no? you could take off all your blues for yellows since you get more armor from cover (you wouldn’t even need to do this, would be super strong regardless)

[craggy trench]

It's weird to be upset about cheaters shooting through walls?

[tardy thistle]

If I used the right language to describe cheaters I'd get banned for hate speech.

[amber ice]

It's weird to try and skirt rules to post about cheaters, even though there is absolutely no purpose to post pictures of cheaters, as literally no one here can do anything about it, and all it does is stoke anger that makes us put people on mute when the slurs start up.

[craggy trench]

He's not trying to expose anyone, he's trying to tell you that people who are "cheating" have videos tied to their account of them blatantly cheating

It's not a random witch hunt

[amber ice]

That is not new news to anyone.

[craggy trench]

Ok so everyone's on the same page

We can all move on

[tardy thistle]

You wanted to know what sort of proof we have to label someone a cheater, as 10k HS per hour didn't seem to satisfy

🤷‍♀️

[amber ice]

Yeah that, exactly is what I was confused by.

[craggy trench]

That alone doesn't constitute a cheater imo

[amber ice]

The mod team had the people who ran the "service" pitch it to us ages back, they said it was completely accurate, based entirely off headshots within the DZ.

[craggy trench]

It's extremely likely they are cheating but it's still not 100% sure

[amber ice]

Not PvP headshots alone, just within the DZ.

[ripe root]

Before someone mention RULE12, I think you miss a point, the meaning of proof
For example, if I say "Someone owe me a billion", it just a description, not a evidence
"The receipt that someone borrow me a billion" this is evidence

[amber ice]

The rate for "likely cheater" was so absurdly low at the time, that anyone farming Landmarks with decent aim was flagged.

I haven't gotten an answer if it's the same bot, but the language they're using is very similar to what the person at the time used.

[tardy thistle]

It's not that complicated, it's just a cheater build with all blue armour/hazpro/regen with a sniper with Determined.

[craggy trench]

Yea I agree

[ripe root]

Let me simulation what you doing

[tardy thistle]

Or we could play a game.

This guy out damages you while you are on a decent Umbra build. cheater or not?

You lose the facetrade, you hit your shots and he is 22k SHD so that's way too high for random dogsh!t build, but it's Div 2 and a lot of the players are mentally handicapped and maybe he got lucky?

[amber ice]

Div2 is almost 7 years old, having random junk builds is exactly what the vets do.

We do the same thing over in WF, and pd2.

[tardy thistle]

That'd be fine but they have no build synergy and bleed DPS, not going to do math here but they are probably ~50% of the damage potential of a decent build.

[amber ice]

I'm still waiting on an answer about the bot.

I thought that comment might get a reply.

[craggy trench]

Which one?

[amber ice]

If you don't want to answer, that's fine. Just don't bring up the bot again.

[craggy trench]

Guys I am cheater flag me

I'm not even good at the game btw

[tardy thistle]

Gotta wait for folk to get their votes in on Cheater or Legit pvp'er before we can continue.

[craggy trench]

It's clearly because he has more fps than you

[mortal badge]

The bot gives a players stats. Through context you can tell when a certain players stats are far enough out of normal/reasonable bounds that its very likely they are a cheater. Pair that with the reason that made you question them in this first place, and you'll quite likely have a good idea whos cheating and whos not

[amber ice]

I know how the bot works, I had a detailed explanation from one of the original creators, or at least someone who helped run it early on.

[mortal badge]

ok but you still seem to be questioning it. The way it works makes sense and is effective at what its trying to do.

[amber ice]

I'm asking if the original way it worked was changed directly from "counts headshot kills".

[frigid escarp]

Hi

[craggy trench]

Yes

[mortal badge]

its not a single stat, but HS% is a very easy thing to notice being way out of whack on a very clear cheater

[wet badger]

umbra doesnt work in cover, it might mean people choose other types of builds

[amber ice]

As the original person who pitched it to us, was banned for cheating themselves, it doesn't seem to be overly reliable.

[craggy trench]

Simple answer

[tardy thistle]

When I reveal the answer to Cheater or Legit pvp'er I'll throw up some cool ISAC numbers. Could become a fun game people here play in their spare time, maybe you could sticky it?

[frigid escarp]

I do

[amber ice]

@tardy thistle You're welcome to post that, but we will be banning you shortly afterwards for posting names, and general rule #1 stuff.

[tardy thistle]

Oh gee, I'm not stupid enough to post the names of cheaters, wouldn't want to shame them.

[amber ice]

Well as always, it was a horrible mistake to try and interact with anyone in here, y'all play nice. I need tea.

[tardy thistle]

@amber ice Does Discord have a vote function to help Cheater or Legit pvp'er? I honestly don't understand why you are working against me here when we could help the community here with some light hearted fun.

[amber ice]

Raucey, if you're going to say something snarky, just don't.

[mortal badge]

it would help if you didnt constantly talk about things you didnt understand

[wet badger]

yes we cant shame cheaters, thats bad! we should welcome them instead and ban the people throwing slurs at the cheaters

[amber ice]

Yes, we will ban the people using slurs

[ripe root]

"First time" gif

[wet badger]

i mean in game

[mortal badge]

ban both

[amber ice]

Really wish I could use the language I want to use over this situation, but orange name and all that.

[wet badger]

in which order?

[tardy thistle]

Maybe I could get ChatGTP to write up a paragraph about the benefit of slurs in the DZ?

[wet badger]

I can mute someones VoIP, I can disable VoIP, I can mute someones text chat, I can disable text chat, I can block a player in game.

But what cant i do? Block a cheater

[mortal badge]

theres no point arguing about the order. Both are shit and dont have a place in the game, its simple

[wet badger]

the order matters a lot, since one has solutions and yet the only order the banning is happening is the wrong way around

[mortal badge]

the issue is people not being banned for cheating, not that people are also being banned for slurs. This is an idiotic hill to die on and a terrible false equivalency

[wet badger]

'also' 😄

there is no also

[mortal badge]

I get that. The issue is the cheating, thats my point

[wet badger]

sure, and i agree that if one side is dealt with the yeah sure QoL can deal with the other half

I would love a clean and respectful game, but funnily enough some of the most toxic players are the ones who cant take losing, u know how many words get thrown at me just for 'being good'?

[calm plinth]

i’m thinking of the bonus armor mainly, i doubt it goes away when you leave cover

[wet badger]

In div 1 you had a 5s window where u kept the buffs. I didnt read in the description that it would be the same, obviously it would be a problem if u got a fresh stack each time u entered cover like the vanguard swap u shouldnt be able to give fresh stacks if its been depleted but there is a good chance that ur bonus armour is tied to being IN the cover, maybe u get it once and if u leave thats it, i dunno, if it were like that it would be crap

[tacit pond]

it lingers iirc

i think?

or no they said it doesn’t linger

ok yea it doesn’t linger

so umbra won’t get the damage one

but the armor one could be an interesting pairing for getting armor back

[wet badger]

yeah u can sit in cover and use a medkit, it could be enough to save u

[tardy thistle]

It's a cheater!!
insta 1 tap two players behind cover as a bonus picture.

[wet badger]

screenshots are honestly pointless, surely u can show a clip without showing the name so we can see exactly how 1 shot is the 1 shot, i do trust your judgement as we discuss in the other discord but the others will need better context, like the image pointing fingers above, to the others in here a ss of the hs/h isnt apparently convincing enough, and that screenshot doesnt prove anything

[calm plinth]

in assuming the cooldown is 30 seconds?

so every 30 seconds is basically a free medkit

[wet badger]

its showing 50% tier 0, i suppose this might be a good option on a yellow build with some skill haste

I just hope this doesnt make it DOA like the new gear set that just came out

[calm plinth]

knowing the pvp modifier it’ll be gutted

[calm plinth]

if you had umbra with t5 that would give a ton of health and 100% armor

theoretically

[wet badger]

That health is for the skill im pretty sure

for

[calm plinth]

oh

i could de it being good with a medkit supp build too

see*

[wet badger]

support skills have been lacking, more options are great

[calm plinth]

@wet badger do you think they should adjust the pvp modifier? it’s definitely saved us from some crazy stuff

[wet badger]

High End Capacitor Tier 5, Drone + Smart Cover, maybe a thing..., can sit in cover and trade from cover, a bit silly but I used to do it with Entrench Pre-WONY, actually viable, but with the current TTK, it would be interesting, you would also mitigate OoC

They should have made a third Smart Cover, Trapper - Like in Div 1, except when you shoot ait at an enemy in cover they cant leave it hahaha imagine

Heartbreaker Vs Pulse Res, Umbra Vs Trapper

[craggy trench]

Honestly I like the idea of them adding an umbra counter instead of just nerfing it into the ground

But our expectations are too high

[limber cedar]

And the achilles pulse also has a hitbox with health so I take the enemies or the players can destroy the cover by shooting it.

[wet badger]

Did u guys see the new gun in the patch notes?

[craggy trench]

No that the exclusive gun

Then the gun goes to mailbox

Man I can't even advertise fake cheats!

[tacit pond]

who ping hey guys

[craggy trench]

I pinged you for your website

Code dien.aka.kim for 10% discount

[calm plinth]

they’re finally bringing guns from div 1!

[tepid saffron]

were they banned during the banwave that the devs rolled back?

[meager swift]

@tepid saffron What is a ban wave , haven't seen one in the game other than XP glitchs

[tepid saffron]

It happened over a year ago, I just remember a lot of ppl in the PvP community were banned

Most got unbanned while others stayed banned

[meager swift]

that was fron a modifier exploit in conflct

[tepid saffron]

It happened almost 2 years ago, I misspoke. I honestly don’t think it was a modifier exploit in conflict as these were dz pvpers and not conflict players

They also never said anything addressing why the ppl who got banned and unbanned were banned in the first place

[tardy thistle]

Not worth the effort to make a vid, probably juts get deleted.

[tardy thistle]

I mean I met four separate blatant cheaters last night, they don't get banned or anything so why make vids.

[tardy thistle]

New exotic mask doesn't seem to work at all in the DZ, new Streamlined talent is 80% weapon damage in the both open world and DZ.

[lavish basin]

They'll definitely be nerfing streamlined before it goes live, in the twitch stream just now both the presenters seemed surprised it was so much

[wet badger]

Yeah there's no way u can allow 87% to go to live servers, what an odd number to pick

[tardy thistle]

Normal talent is 80% and MK16 is bad for burst.

[wet badger]

Only 80% I mean shiiiiiet, at this point it should work with Bighorn, that's the balance we need, a Bighorn that shoots at every player within 100m through walls

[tardy thistle]

Yeah 5 red cores, I didn't check if it worked for harvest but the new brandset is 65% WD for pistols and boost reg a lot.

Harvest could have 145% weapon damage.

New mule changes are going to screw over anyone trying to get into PvP as well, gg.

[wet badger]

They're gonna have to tweak the numbers, 60% Pistol is far too much

[wet badger]

I'm about to go full Pablo Escobar up in this shiiiet stockpiling 100k mats minimum

[tardy thistle]

Yeah same but I'm 10.5k SHD so it's easy for me to do, another players will be screwed.

[craggy trench]

For HE pistol the new brand is absolutely a huge increase

@tacit pond did some testing with pts numbers

[calm plinth]

exotic mask was prob gonna be useless anyway

way too many restrictions

[craggy trench]

It'll probably work in pvp on release

[mystic fiber]

How does the sweet dreams work on players is it a 1tap on an all reds player even id they have tardi/unbreakable on a bunk build?

[craggy trench]

They have to be under 20% armor iirc

I believe it bypasses unbreakable and tardi but I could be wrong, I haven't used it much

[tacit pond]

only for high end headhunter idk what the pvp numbers would look like

i can do some investigating though

[craggy trench]

It would still be the same increase

[golden ermine]

Think bonus armor stops the 1tap but may be wrong

[craggy trench]

Just with the pistol modifier

[craggy trench]

Yes I think so too

Or it just ignores it

[limber cedar]

Well, blue armor is still armor so..

[wet badger]

Anything that 1 taps a player bypasses Unbreakable/Tardigrade

[wet badger]

Not quite, bonus armour is different, pre TU4 it was a completely unfinished mechanic, you couldn't even see enemies bonus armour.

[ripe root]

technically it not actually bypass, it deals tons of damage like xxxxxxx to bypass, before devs limited the watch health, sweet dream don't 1tap those 500k wstch above accounts

[tacit pond]

@craggy trench this would do like 1.4mil a headshot

in dz

probably like 1.25mil without expertise and watch

the pve headshot number

vs the old setup

you still do more damage than the old setup when you have 2 more blues

3pc imminence 1.5mil

[tacit pond]

this doesnt make it to live game

surely

[craggy trench]

AR - 0.3995
Pistol - 0.3329
Smg - 0.3329
Rifle - 0.2663
Shotgun - 0.2330
Mmr - 0.2663

PvP dmg 1,435,925.8

[tacit pond]

checking out crit pistol now

ok its a lot closer on the body shot end

because imminence should run a ceska

nvm i changed it around slightly imminence is still goat

first numbers are body shots

second numbers are headshots

[craggy trench]

No DH on knee?

[tacit pond]

i think the ceska should stay

but idk if contractors does more than dh

either way the point that imminence is the champ now is shown

[tardy thistle]

For crit pistol use Harvest with Streamlined for another 80% WD and CHC attachment instead of Reg, as it is now Reg only has HS explosion.

[golden ermine]

Does having a shield out disable streamlined?