td2-build-advice

[red island]

its dz only

[prime elbow]

and named caches I assume right?

[red island]

yes

[prime elbow]

doing my farm 50/50. Half DZ and Countdown

If I get bored of one I do the other

either DW or this one, all I need is the extended mag BP and another smg with maxed dtooc so I can tinker it

both are proving to be a pain in the ass to get

[red island]

its a good smg tbh

[subtle bluff]

SMG9 and Vector are the top for HE SMG.

[prime elbow]

Any weapons recommendations for this BP?

[red island]

not a great bp, but good stats

[fair compass]

could that work decent with the Centurion Scabbard holster?

[subtle bluff]

The issues with this BP Talent is keeping the Talent because you need to knw when to change time wise and what distances.

[hollow warren]

Can someone help me make a build

[worldly laurel]

What are you trying to do dude? And for PVE or PVP or Both?

[hollow warren]

Like a skill dps build and for both pvp and pve

[violet juniper]

Impossible

well, doable, but you'll do no damage

[hollow warren]

Ok wat build could I make that can do damage

[violet juniper]

well, you're gonna have to choose between PvE and PvP

[worldly laurel]

^^^
I'm a PVE guy, which (unless raids in my experience) gives ALOT more freedom. I've been screwing around with the memento for a week now.

[worldly laurel]

Also do you have the build tool link for your browser?

[subtle bluff]

Go to Pinned Messages 📌 on the top right there's a spreadsheet with a lot of info and builds in there.

[hollow warren]

Ok

And I wanna do pve

[worldly laurel]

Oh well then, pick one or two raid builds, have em on standby and know your role, and then for everything else?

GO NUTS.

Wanna make a skill damage build with Strikers Battlegear? Go for it.
Wanna Do Shield Tank with a Marksman Rifle? Go for it.

PVE basically means "wtf ever you want" and as long as you aren't a jerk or hurting your team, you got a good build.

Except for raids. Have a proven and tested raid build, and then build any personal ones OFF of the the proven ones.

So, Skill Damage build. You thinking Yellows or one of the gear sets? I'm a fan of Refractor myself.

Hell, my current WIP is this and it's silly, and fun.

[hollow warren]

Ok got you

[urban latch]

Pretty sure that's not a raid build

[worldly laurel]

Didn't say it was

[worldly laurel]

btw looked at the summaries of your builds on evernote just now; solid work dude! I'll read em all a bit later when I'm not grinding.

[urban latch]

I was just joking based on the previous comment lol

[worldly laurel]

Oh sorry for being so defensive!

[waxen sage]

love the skill tier striker's mention

been running 6 skill tier strikers with capacitor sometimes and its very very fun

[magic pilot]

It's honeslty not bad at all

[vernal pumice]

Just downloading the game on PS5 for the first time in 2-3 years, any recommendations on where to pick back up? Starter build that might be easy to start grinding with?

[waxen sage]

#td2-build-advice message

without a doubt the easiest build to get started with

if you do not have the lexington, any high-end/exotic AR you like using works

[worldly laurel]

Dude that is the biggest mindfluckery of
"Oh thank god I'm in cover, he can't shoot me anymore"
to
"OH GOD WHY DOES HE HAVE BOMBADIER DRONE EQUIPPED" BEEP BEEP BEEP

True story btw, one of my proudest moments.

[vernal pumice]

Thanks! Looks like I gotta hope I have it in my inventory when i login lol

[waxen sage]

if not the 4pc striker is very easy to acquire, a little bit of countdown (or the summit if you dont feel comfortable jumping into countdown yet) with it as targeted loot and you'll have it in no time flat

the only thing that might take you a bit of time is the coyote mask, but its not the end of the world if you dont have it

[vernal pumice]

Lexington targetable?

i think i ahve a mask, i remember it, maybe not

[waxen sage]

unfortunately the lexington was only obtainable by signing in during 2024 and can no longer be obtained by any means

so just go for whatever AR you really like the feel of, me personally i love the st elmos

[vernal pumice]

ahhh, damn, ok

[waxen sage]

a high-end famas 2010 with good attributes is technically the highest DPS assault rifle, but it kicks like a mule so im really not a huge fan

[west badge]

attachments are your friend

can literally make it beam

[rich lotus]

Don’t even need handling attachments… pull down your mouse when shooting 😛

literally that is the recoil pattern for every gun in division 2

Or rather you can get away with just doing that

[west badge]

yeah theres this too

[fair dragon]

I wish my mouse would co-operate

[hexed steppe]

no need to pull down for mortar 😎

[fair dragon]

Mortar masterrace

[rich lotus]

we gotta lock you guys up

[fair dragon]

Iron man flashbacks

[hexed steppe]

Mortar Supremacy

now and always

[west badge]

cant pull down if you build for melee 😎

[rich lotus]

TRUE

speaking facts yes I love tickling the ads with my melee build 😭

[waxen sage]

but why pull mouse down when can use st elmos and keep mouse still :)

[rich lotus]

to be fair if they ever made melee damage useful, I’d probably hate the game even more

[west badge]

you can turn famas the same

0 recoil

[rich lotus]

The Sharpshooter passive buff gives a decent amount of handling too btw. In fact I don’t think it’s even raw weapo handling and something else that turns everything into a laser

I mean people aren’t gonna stop running gunner ( 🤢 ) what am I saying

[west badge]

down to person

[hexed steppe]

i think im short one ceska vigilance bag and a few optimizations for od build on 4th agent at this point. but this still working pretty good with wicked. scorpio not even needed, so may have to swap out for something more useful

[waxen sage]

i ran gunner because the striker build told me to but it really doesnt feel like its doing a whole lot for me

[rich lotus]

in a lot of cases it won’t do a lot

[hazy steeple]

PSA:

1% in the stat, gives you 1% in each Stability/Accuracy/Reload/Swap-speed.```

[rich lotus]

it’s main perks are on kill and yo aren’t guaranteed to kill anything in endgame content

like the guy running one shot determined gonna deny you any benefit from gunner

[hexed steppe]

aok, ammo return, and banshee pulse only real draws. if it wasnt for the 50 lmg bag, i would probably be on survivalist or tech

[west badge]

rather use the wep attach to improve the wep

[hazy steeple]

Weapon Attachments (that aren't on a hotshot determined build) go to crit stats and preeeety much nothing else.

[rich lotus]

rivens speaking facts

[hazy steeple]

Nothing else comes that close to being as valuable, especially on a Gearset setup, where your Attributes are limited.

[west badge]

you can reach crits via gear n mods

[hazy steeple]

See above.

[hexed steppe]

i use optimal range mods on dark winter so its crit sits close to the ar crit

[west badge]

playstyle matters

[hazy steeple]

It's not a matter of playstyle, it's just efficiency.

[hexed steppe]

kinda funny when lex and dw have same optimal range XD

[hazy steeple]

for example, 'deck has ruined my favourite gun. So I'm going to efficiently cry about it.

[hexed steppe]

lmao

[west badge]

huh

[hazy steeple]

Inside joke, dw about it.

hah, dw.

So people aren't confused, "Optimal Range" as a stat is....interesting. What it does is increase the distance at which you will do the full amount of damage with a particular gun at.

e.g. the Lex' has a default of 31m, outside of that range, you will do reduced damage to enemies.

It's one of the big reasons why people always tell you to play within a weapon's ideal range.

||(and also why the Chameleon is so hated, as its Optimal Range is only 20m)||

[west badge]

skill issue

[hazy steeple]

You really like your single line replies.

[worldly laurel]

^^^ Between Opt Range and Weapon Handling, I pretty much make all my personal PVE builds around that metric. They are SO powerful, and as a Rifle enthusiast, makes my life SO much easier.

[west badge]

1 mask helps chameleon without much loss

[hazy steeple]

Take a look at Coyotes Mask, the ideal buff most red builds are using it with is the mid one, which means you have to target enemies between 15-25m.

[worldly laurel]

I really should try Chameleon with my Memento build... It's like perfect for it too.

[hazy steeple]

That's an incredibly narrow margin of error w/ a Cham'
You have a 5m range to not get the buff, and a 5m range to do reduced gun damage using it.

[west badge]

elmo or lex cause its easy for most

[hazy steeple]

A standard high-end (gold) AR will do about as much as either of those as a base, and Lex is only mildly better than a properly setup one of those anyway.
If you have it: go for it, but if you don't: you can live without it.

[worldly laurel]

So, the Theme of the build is Flow; flowing from close to distance, always flowing through the fight. So, AR, Rifle, and Sawn off Secondary.

I was using the Eagle Bearer, but it felt too FAST, like I wasn't navigating the fights I wanted to and kept getting into disadvantageous situations. But the chameleon would much better suit it because it doesn't matter where I'm shooting, it just matters that I am.

[hazy steeple]

Post a picture of your build, I'm getting a mixed message here.

[west badge]

Yeah, famas n police m4 are nice

[worldly laurel]

Memento is the center piece of it; named yellows, currently farming for the last named chest piece, but I'm liking protected reload + the 10% bonus armor from Kill Confirmed.

Sorry was farming and hadn't saved this as a loadout yet. but secondary is my trusty ACR SS, sidearm is a sawn off.

[hazy steeple]

What exactly are you trying to do with this build, like, what is your goal?

[worldly laurel]

Have fun in Open World..?

LIke I said, float, collect my kill confirmed, build my 30% stack and just... float through the fights.

Seems like fun. The AR is what is killing me right now.

[onyx sage]

the reason why we ask this is because most of us try to do endgame activities, like legendary, raids, incursion, or speedrunning missions, etc.

knowing your goals helps a lot in giving you the right kind of builds, because the content dictates your build and playstyle. and as for doing open world, you can pretty much use anything

[worldly laurel]

Yea, exactly. Like I have stuff saved for Legendaries, raids, etc. Proper, effective builds that have been tested by the community. But... if it's done? The weekly is over? Screw it, lets see what we can do..

[onyx sage]

i mean if that's where it stops for you then that's fine

[worldly laurel]

Oh yea. Hell it's one of the reasons I don't kick people when I mm unless blatant assholes. Some dude maybe trying some crazy SMG sniper build where the SMG becomes the sniper. Ya never know what ya gonna see.

[hexed steppe]

kill confirmed buff for skill efficiency is stronger, tbh. 30% in all Skill Buckets™️ is nothing to overlook, especially with offensive skills

[worldly laurel]

😈 That's what the bombadier Drone is for

[hexed steppe]

i dont see that in the build

[worldly laurel]

like i said, I was grinding and didn't switch every thing over. Sorry

[hexed steppe]

no worries. it supports my assertion anyways

[worldly laurel]

Your assertion? Now you got me curious

[hexed steppe]

memento is the hardest working single piece of gear in the game

[onyx sage]

the the

point and laugh

[hexed steppe]

assertion was about skill efficiency

[hexed steppe]

thethe was a duh duh momento 😂

[worldly laurel]

Oh hell yes, but it is REALLY cool. Like, after BIG legendary fights, like the end of Bank or Arena, you haven't died and maintained your 30% stack that lasts for 5 WHOLE MINUTES BASED OFF THE LAST STACK YOU PICKED UP goes by REALLY fast with Strikers, Riggers, whatever you running.

[hexed steppe]

yeah, i agree. long buff is where its at

[normal pawn]

is there a spread sheet that tells me what talents are multiplicative/amplified and whats addictive

[subtle bluff]

IDK if we have a list anywhere. Most of it said on the gear or talents.

[violet juniper]

If you like a lot of armour, use a belstone piece with armour Regen attribute + the Emeline's Guard named P90

if you go low on armour, one or two kills makes your regen go nuts

I would recommend getting rid of that Legatus mask as fast as possible though

[subtle bluff]

Use the LFG rooms

[tiny mural]

i have

mb

[woeful zodiac]

Is Strega better than Elmos for Exodus Gloves build?

[red island]

not for pvp

[woeful zodiac]

No for pve use

[red island]

exodus gloves arent good for pve

[analog pulsar]

???? Its clutch in Legendary

[red island]

yeah if you're bad

i dont die in legendary cause i just kill enemy npc faster than they kill me

[analog pulsar]

Ok

Sorry pro i wont mention u again

[magic pilot]

They are tbh

[patent fossil]

Exodus gloves aren't really a build in themselves though. Strega and Elmos both have their strengths, Elmo's is mostly large mag size and lots of crit, Strega small mag but some nice damage amp if you're usually killing enemies who are grouped up. Mostly personal preference, I'd say.

[red island]

not if you dont lose armor

id rather have the gloves that reduce penalty for blindfire

[hexed steppe]

blindfire means youre using cover wrong 👴 ....
rugged gauntlets are such a waste

[stiff jasper]

No offense , you think it's good in pve, means you able to activate it, means your armor will broken in pve

[red island]

cant use cover wrong if i kill enemies

[stiff jasper]

If, compare with kill enemies faster, then you wrong
Oh you didn't wrong, you just killing enemies slowly and slowly

[red island]

yeah i was obviously joking

any build would be right if you kill an npc with my logic

but im lazy i dont like doing work to kill npc thats why i like blind fire i can take my soda and drink while firing

but again "i'd rather have", not "its so good omg"

[stiff jasper]

Well ok, that's your playstyle

[red island]

its not my playstyle, i only do that when im bored but i cant play anything else

gotta earn that juicy exotic component

[hexed steppe]

I only blindfire mortar

Mortar Supremacy

[red island]

sorry i cant hear you over the sound of bk never ending fire

[vestal ibex]

I suspect you never use reviver hive then?

[red island]

only when im bad

or when my team is

[vestal ibex]

Well it's the same logic for exodus gloves just a step earlier and on a much quicker cooldown.

[red island]

yeah, but by that logic, just build tanky

or use the no recoil gloves

so you dont even lose armor

[vestal ibex]

That's a large sacrifice vs those glovess.

Rugged are much worse than anything. Those things are pointless.

[red island]

are they tho

[vestal ibex]

Yes.

Trading 1 brand bonus for a full armor kit every 40 seconds on top of de aggro is not a bad trade.

[red island]

for pvp yes, for pve, not so much

thats why im talking about the other gloves, they are bad, but at least you dont even lose armor

[urban latch]

It's basically a chest talent (unbreakable) but on the gloves, allowing you to have 3 gear talents.

[red island]

yeah i know, but thats my point, unbreakable isnt a good talent for pve

having it on glove is nice, but its still a bad talent

[vestal ibex]

It is if you can keep a proper chest talent....

[urban latch]

It can be. When it comes at the cost of 1 brandset bonus and the use of your exotic slot, that's a pretty cheap cost

[red island]

i wouldnt say cheap cost

there are many good exotics that are just straight up better

i mean mostly coyotes obviously

[vestal ibex]

"just build tanky" was a better soulution just a second ago?

[red island]

if you follow that logic yes

[stiff jasper]

From now, stop blindfire, learn how to reflect mortar

[red island]

like

if you get thoses gloves for pve, you def are reckless

at this point, why not run unbreakable too

[vestal ibex]

From your logic and this convo "build tanky">"use exodus"

[red island]

not really, im just following the logic of "play recklessly" => "should play tanky"

might aswell play ninja kneepads for bonus armor everytime

or catarsis

[hexed steppe]

Dont need to reflect when you have perfect placement

Stick with pvp

[stiff jasper]

Vfx misdirection

[red island]

like, the gloves arent awful, but def not great compared to what we have

for pvp they def sound awesome

[stiff jasper]

Every cry baby say skill noob but they don't know skill build requires skill also

[red island]

requires skill buckets

[hexed steppe]

If it isnt blooty knuckles or btsu you could be better served with a regular brand glove

[magic pilot]

Enny runs them is he reckless

[hexed steppe]

No doubt there 💯

[vestal ibex]

Hey we don't care about actual testing and logic here.

[magic pilot]

It's one of his favorite exotics rn

[red island]

if you find yourself in melee range of a rusher your placement is a problem

like, im not gatekeeping the glove, if you like them use them, but its not the same as saying they are better than a brand bonus or a named

especially considering the other exotics

[magic pilot]

They are a pretty good option all around

[vestal ibex]

The utility they provide is on par.

[magic pilot]

It's competing with dodge and coyotes mostly

Which it does pretty well

[vestal ibex]

You treat it like a 10% damage loss when it's probably a few % if that.

[red island]

there is no world where coyote is competing with that

like would you use ninja kneepads for their utility ?

free reload and bonus armor

[magic pilot]

I mean what else would you compare it to?

[vestal ibex]

No one is talking about that?

[red island]

thats good utility

[magic pilot]

With weird quirks

[vestal ibex]

Your in left field for what right now?

[magic pilot]

Exodus has no requirements to proc besides losing armor

The best players in the game lose armor in every form of content so they can be used by anyone

[red island]

thats not enough tho

it has to be useful, not just proc

[magic pilot]

3s ooc as well, meaning you have 3s to just lay into enemies - more practical dps

[red island]

i can proc ninja that doesnt mean its useful

[vestal ibex]

Why are you talking about ninja?

[red island]

cause you talk about utility, im doing a comparison with another eoxtic that has utility but is widely regarded as not great

[vestal ibex]

Well lets stay on topic and not use bad comparisons.

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/P6eBUq-_-EQ?si=mftaFG4X5VxErOXb

[red island]

its not a bad comparison

[magic pilot]

The goat

[magic pilot]

It's pretty bad, I would compare it to stuff people actually use and think is good

[red island]

thats my point, its not good

[vestal ibex]

It's just an off topic distraction.

[red island]

it def isnt off topic

im doing a comparison to show you the logic is flawed

you cant just say "it has utility" wwhen other exotics have utility and are bad

thats my point

[vestal ibex]

It has good utility?

[red island]

define "good"

cause in my book ninja utility is good

its just outclassed by raw stats

[vestal ibex]

Well that's an unrealated comparison.

[red island]

thats completely related, the gloves utility isnt good enough

[vestal ibex]

If you wanna make that comparison it's a different conversation.

[red island]

same for kneepads

[vestal ibex]

I really think you don't understand how little is being traded for the utility of these gloves.

[red island]

about the same as the utility for the kneepads

[vestal ibex]

Again no one is talking about knee pads here at all other than you.

[red island]

again, im doing a comparison

[vestal ibex]

I get that you wanna misdirect here but I'm not interested in that.

[red island]

im not misdirecting

its called a comparison, not misdirection

if you just wanna ignore my argument its fine, just dont interact

im not ignoring your argument, im using it to show you why its flawed, using another exotic that follows your logic

[vestal ibex]

You are making an unrelated comparison.

[red island]

it its very related

[vestal ibex]

So explain how it's related?

[red island]

both items are exotic, both items lose you a brand, boths are utility based, both take your exotic slot

[vestal ibex]

So what about ninja bike back pack?

Where is the memento comparison?

How about we talk about vile for fun too?

[red island]

bagpack and chest make you lose a talent, not gloves and kneepads

i also talked about catarsis btw

not the gotcha moment you think

[vestal ibex]

Okay so pick any non chest/backpack and it's now related and worth talking about?

Because it's "related"

[red island]

they are related cause they provide utility

the gloves give you armor back, ok, catarsis does too

thats my point

[vestal ibex]

Yeah the gotcha moment is "vaulting for bonus armor is comparative utility"

[patent fossil]

I just want to see Lyfe soloing legendary full red without ever losing his armor

[red island]

cant happen without spending few hours

[vestal ibex]

Gaining armor and loosing agro>>>>running around vaulting while being shot for minor bonus armor.

These things are not equal.

[red island]

the cooldown isnt equal either

[shy willow]

I'm assuming it's exodus v ninja knees

[vestal ibex]

No it isn't.

[red island]

im also talking about rugged and catharsis

[vestal ibex]

That's just misdirection.

[red island]

how can you say its misdirection

[shy willow]

Running off no context but exodus is like a top tier exotic

[vestal ibex]

It is distracting from talking about exodus.

[shy willow]

Its like at the highest echelon of exos

[red island]

im talking about exodus

im comparing it to other exotics

[vestal ibex]

No you are talking about other exotics at this point.

[red island]

bruh

we have to compare it, you cant weear more than one exotic

so you have to compare to see which one fits the build best

[vestal ibex]

We could talk about exodus vs coyote or brands but you wanna go into left field and talk about ninja knee pads.

[red island]

i did compare to coyote

but you're so focus on kneepads idk why, so i talked about it too

[shy willow]

The one use I've ever seen for them knees is on backfire but it's extra useless now backfire buffed

[vestal ibex]

Yeah and that's why you moved on to other exotics cause the points you make don't hold up.

[red island]

no, it does hold

i said coyote outclass exodus everyday

then you talked about utility, so i took a utility exotic

[shy willow]

I mean that's false

[vestal ibex]

You just don't understand how little DPS loss happens.

[shy willow]

Exodus gloves are extremely powerful

[red island]

then you said it doesnt count cause it doesnt compare somehow

like you cant pick which exotic you can compare

[distant heron]

I just hit lvl 40 now I need some advice on how to build with the armour I would like to do one with sniper/m60 or lmgs like that for a build and how dose the watch work I only ever played on Xbox and finished the main story and stopped but this is now on pc and never got in to that side of things on my Xbox

[red island]

check pinned message for spreadsheet

there are all the builds there

[vestal ibex]

I'd compare it to coyotes.

[red island]

coyotes doesnt have utility

it gives raw stats

at this point why not compare coyote to ninja kneepads, might aswell since we dont compare anything related

or better yet, compare to rugged gloves, the first other exotic i talked about, since they also give utility

and share the same slot

[shy willow]

Coyote and exodus are both very strong contenders on crit setups so it's a valid comparison

Ninja knees are just garbo

[red island]

.....

idk at this point i guess you're just dodging every argument and just come back to "exodus good lol" as your main argument

that didnt work in school back then, it still doesnt work now

[urban latch]

You want to compare the damage loss on a build where we trade Exodus for coyotes?

[red island]

id rather compare with rugged gloves if you know what i mean

[urban latch]

I don't?

[red island]

cant lose dps if you dont stop shooting

[urban latch]

🤦‍♂️

So your just running through missions blind during the entire time rofl

[red island]

who said that ?

[vestal ibex]

The guy who rather compare rugged cause that is how you play those?

[red island]

not the entire mission lol

[vestal ibex]

The best comparison is one that people use.

[red island]

only when its useful

i already do with without rugged glvoes when im lazy

you dont do that the entire mission that would be stupid

[vestal ibex]

I have never put on ninja knees or rugged...

[red island]

i did, to test them

[urban latch]

I was going to compare the damage loss you'd get from coyotes vs exodus, but if your not interested then w/e

[vestal ibex]

My guess is something like 3-7%?

Guess it depends on mid or short tho.

Oh did you see that exodus procc makes enemies aggro tanker or any protect obj instantly?

[urban latch]

Can it make it target player skills like a hive?

[hallow vigil]

im new here and looking for any advise on what build should i change of keep

[magic pilot]

Yes but in the situation you would use coyotes is also a similar setup to using exodus

[red island]

wym

[magic pilot]

Like I wouldn't compare exodus to ninja because that would be a different build layout completely

Where as coyotes/ exodus you swap 2 pieces around

[red island]

yeah thats true

what about catharsis or rugged gloves

[magic pilot]

Rugged I can kinda see but they are just so bad there isn't really a point

Like comparing to no exotic at all would be more beneficial

[urban latch]

Check out the pinned Google doc. Bunch of info and build guides in there including a strikers guide

[magic pilot]

Not a bad start

[red island]

i know rugged are bad, but im saying exodus arent really much better
like the utility of rugged is to blind fire mostly, so that makes you safer, meaning you dont lose armor, where exodus you lose armor then regain it (on a cd)

[urban latch]

Do you ever actually use rugged lyfe?

[vestal ibex]

Safer and less effective.

[red island]

also idk if its a bug but when you lose + regain armor, the last shot still takes out some part of your hp (if not all) before giving you armor back

[red island]

yeah, but we talk about utility, its mostly about your gameplay

if you are reckless, yeah, exodus might be alright

but again, so is building tanky

there is room for different degree of tanky builds obviously

[magic pilot]

Exodus is like a second OSP

[red island]

osp ?

[vestal ibex]

I think these gloves help in high skill smart play and as with everything in the game it's not a "free face tank" card.

[vestal ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QptCP8jmF9g

[red island]

i agree on that take, i disagree you need a skilled smart play in pve

like just pure damage on the enemy and they cant do much

[vestal ibex]

Player skill has a ton to do with any and everything in this game.

[red island]

you could just say anti oneshot

[vestal ibex]

Hence why people make a perfect strikers build and still struggle in solo heroic.

[red island]

yeah, but the most skilled thing to do : is to not get hit/play safe

thats my point, reckless behavior

im not saying im never reckless, but its still a mistake

[vestal ibex]

This might just be one of those we are playing 2 different games.

[red island]

idk, if i die in pve, i know i fked up, (except descent cause fk that mode)

and im def not a good player to begin with

but like, if i end up needing an unbreakable to proc to survive, then im playing wrong

its fine to lose armor if you dont die

[vestal ibex]

Where do you think we would suggest using exodus?

[red island]

pve ?

[vestal ibex]

Legendary. It's been said multiple times during all of this.

TBH you can use whatever in all the rest of the content and it doesn't really matter.

[magic pilot]

It functions well everywhere

But legendary specifically you can't avoid losing your armor

[red island]

yeah but thats still the same logic, if you kill the enemy instead, they cant break your armor and kill you

losing armor is fine as long as you dont die

[vestal ibex]

Hence the talk of how much of a DPS loss do you think it is vs coyotes.

[red island]

i mean, coyote applies to the entire team, so its not like small

[onyx sage]

i mean others can use it too

[magic pilot]

^

Exodus enjoyer!

[vestal ibex]

I wont put coyotes on until it's absolutely needed for some reason.

[magic pilot]

We've missed the main point with exodus gloves

You get to play like a hunter

Now we just need 9 skills at the same time

[red island]

ok, but that defeat the purpose then, you could just be a healer and make sure nobody need to proc exodus too

[onyx sage]

exodus helps me become a ninja even more than ninjabike does

[red island]

ngl that is dope

[magic pilot]

If you e played with a healer you would know OSP still gets activated all the time

And on legendary you can easily die through a healer

[red island]

i do

thats why RUGGED GLVOES FTW

[vestal ibex]

You better be cooking numbers cause I wanna see this.

[magic pilot]

So exodus still gets proc with a healer on the team

[red island]

just kidding, but still kinda true

cant lose armor if you dont peek

[magic pilot]

It's basically just a 25% chd loss or 10%/10%

Super small dmg loss

[red island]

you still kinda lose armor if you blind fire, but not that much

[onyx sage]

exodus is still relevant, even if it's not the best of the best/meta/whatever

[magic pilot]

Its probably one of the strongest utility exotics we have

[onyx sage]

there's still a few items that work in legendary, it working in legendary at all is high praise

[red island]

i didnt say exodus was awful, its just not the best exotic to wear

[onyx sage]

it's far far from the worst

[magic pilot]

No one is saying it's the best exotic, obviously full dmg is ideal, but if you want to play with a fallback it's a really good choice

[onyx sage]

like i'm pretty particular about bringing stuff to legendary and i acknowledge it's one of the best

[red island]

its like comparing gear sets to striker, obvisouly there isnt much to compare, striker outclass everything, doesnt mean every other set is bad

except maybe diamond back nego

[shy willow]

Exodus gloves are like very very strong

Get out of jail completely free card every 40 seconds

Double crit as an added bonus

[onyx sage]

you get full heal, free reposition

[urban latch]

just absolutely untrue......

[shy willow]

Striker doesn't outclass everything either

[vestal ibex]

headhunter

[onyx sage]

determined

[red island]

headhunter isnt a gear set

[shy willow]

Hotshot then

[onyx sage]

hunters furry

[shy willow]

Goated set

[vestal ibex]

Meh you compare to whatever makes you feel at advantage in this conversation it seems.

[urban latch]

We are talking builds, not gearsets. Hence the gloves talk... .

[red island]

bruh

aight, next time i see you compare anything i'll be sure you remember to never do that ever, since we arent allowed to do that for anything

[onyx sage]

no, you're just very difficult to talk to for some reason

[urban latch]

what are you talking about rofl

lyfe you are making absolutely no sense here, once again

and its like talking to a wall

[red island]

thats fine, but im also following their logic, so at some point you gotta hold it and make sure it is logic

you cant just say "nope, logic apply only where i want"

[onyx sage]

no, you're just missing their point

[red island]

i got their point

[onyx sage]

instead of trying to interpret it you just want to veer the argument off for no reason

[red island]

im using their own point to show it doesnt work

[onyx sage]

but it does work

[red island]

it doesnt tho

[onyx sage]

striker is indeed not the strongest build for legendary

so they are completely right

saying that striker isn't a gear set is just completely missing the point

[red island]

wat

[onyx sage]

sorry headhunter

[red island]

im not even talking about legendary im talking overall

obviously headhunter is strong af

[shy willow]

Striker gets less powerful the lower you go

[onyx sage]

well yeah that's why they bring up headhunter

in content where you can use headhunter, you use headhunter, and that's where it beats striker

[urban latch]

That literally makes you more incorrect

[onyx sage]

they're arguing against your point of "striker outclasses everything"

[red island]

yes mybad i should have said outclass every gear set not everything

[urban latch]

it doesnt.....

[shy willow]

It doesn't outclass every gear set either lmao

[vestal ibex]

The reason I call this stuff a distraction is because you want us to compare these things and not you comparing for an example. Ones a distraction(asking people to go off topic and provide points on another thing) vs saying something like "I think exodus provides simialr utility as ninja knees or rugged"

[onyx sage]

that's also untrue so

[urban latch]

especially when your talking everywhere, not just legendary

[onyx sage]

eclipse exists

[red island]

im litterally not saying that

im comparing utility and asking you if you think thats worth

[vestal ibex]

You are asking me to look up what another exotic does and compare it in a different way to the topic at hand correct?

[red island]

no, the same way

thats my entire point

[vestal ibex]

it's a worse exotic and that means having a conversation about that which is totally off topic.

[red island]

see, you're doing it again

[vestal ibex]

It's like asking if waveform is better.

[red island]

deflecting everything just on the basis its a bad exotic therefore exodus cant be compared cause its good

[shy willow]

¿

[red island]

you cant have "x is bad and y is good" as an argument to say its bad or good

thats circular logic

its good cause its good and its bad cause its bad, great, that means nothing

[onyx sage]

the thing is we know ninja knees is bad already

[urban latch]

The answer very talented players are telling you, is "yes its worth it"

[red island]

yes, im using that point actually

[onyx sage]

and this whole conversation has been telling you exodus is good because of A B C

[shy willow]

Why you arguing if you know they're garbage😭

[red island]

no, thats my point, the entire discussion is exodus is good cause utility, which mean nothing cause other exotics have utility, case and point being ninja which has utility and is bad

[onyx sage]

not all utility is made equal?

hello?

[vestal ibex]

The circular logic here is the guy saying this exotic is bad cause this other exoitc is bad and I want you to explain why this other exoitc is bad vs talking about the exotic in question.

[red island]

im not saying its bad cause kneepads are bad

im saying with your logic, kneepads are good

[vestal ibex]

Not all utility is the same.

[red island]

yes, but how do you quantify it

[onyx sage]

you do not

[vestal ibex]

I've said this before.

[red island]

thats my point

[onyx sage]

you test the things and make your own conclusions

which you are not doing

[red island]

you cant quantify how good it is, therefore you cant say its that strong

[red island]

i do, thats why i talked about rugged gloves

[onyx sage]

you didn't talk about exodus

[red island]

i did, i compared it to other exotics

[shy willow]

Not all utility is made equal

[urban latch]

By comparing the trade offs. like for example, we are giving up a choice of an exotic and/or a brandset bonus for the utility. So it would be good to compare the damage loss your taking from say idk... coyotes, and see if that tradeoff is worth the utility you get

which has been the entire point people are trying to point out to you

[red island]

yes, but im comparing another utility

not just raw damage

[urban latch]

yes, your trying to competley derail the conversation, that is very clear

[red island]

see, you're doing it again

[onyx sage]

he's calling you out

[red island]

you compare utility and dps thats fine

i compare utility and utility and i derail the convo somehow

[onyx sage]

you're doing a bad job and veering others off topic like wtf is striker doing

[red island]

im talking utility not striker

if you wanna call me out at least be logic

[onyx sage]

who tf brought up striker then?

[red island]

cause i talked about comparing striker to other gear sets, not to exotics

[onyx sage]

nope, you derailed

[red island]

see, you're doing it again

[onyx sage]

we're talking exodus

[red island]

you refuse any comparison, except the ones you like

[onyx sage]

nope, you derailed

🛏️

[red island]

i cant compare 2 exotics, unless, its the ones you like

i cant compare gear set, unless its the ones you like

but you can

[onyx sage]

i'll be here all day no worries, waiting for you to get to the point

[red island]

i did get to the point, first line of this discussion

before you even went here

[onyx sage]

still not gotten to the point

[red island]

i compared 2 exotics, and you didnt like that

so if 2utility exotics cant be compared, then you cant compare anything

and i'll remind you that

[onyx sage]

.

[red island]

i didnt compare coyote

stop derailing the convo

[urban latch]

its just in 1 ear, out the other rofl

[vestal ibex]

Coyotes is the best comparison tho.

It's what typical players would trade out.

[red island]

no, you're derailing the convo comparing 2 items that are differents and dont serve the same purpose

[onyx sage]

I'll just say we'll just play the game and you be here with your attempts at trying to discredit us. sounds good to me

[vestal ibex]

Comparing 2 things is usaully what you would have on vs the suggested thing.

[red island]

not trying to discredit anything dw

[vestal ibex]

Who is wearing rugged/ninja knees?

[shy willow]

Coyote and exodus are like the main contenders

[red island]

yeah but you cant compare cause its not the same thing

[shy willow]

Nobody is using rugged or ninja knees

[red island]

you'd be surprised

[vestal ibex]

At this point we should include waveform, change my mind.

[shy willow]

Imperial dynasty isn't the same as Coyotes but one is clearly much better

[red island]

tho some also use 6 item gear set

[hazy steeple]

Some people run headfirst into walls too, you shouldn't take them as life goals.

[urban latch]

but have you considered the utility of running into a wall?

[hazy steeple]

shh, you'll get the new Refractor meta nerfed.

[onyx sage]

i'd like the utility of talking to a wall instead

[hazy steeple]

#td2-pvp-discussions there ya go.

[urban latch]

oh well I think youll find thats completely pointless

[red island]

on that i can agree

did that a lot in the past

[hazy steeple]

Okay everyone play nice now. The actual paying job is calling.

[bold leaf]

Well that was an interesting read; didn't see any conclusions being reached though?

[onyx sage]

exodus is really good

[patent fossil]

The conclusion is 'they aren't seeing my point and they never will'

[bold leaf]

Excellent!

[onyx sage]

i have some runs demonstrating it at its highest potential

it's super strong

[bold leaf]

Oh the Capitol run with Iron Lung?

[onyx sage]

and tidal too

[vestal ibex]

"The DPS loss ends up being 8% or less depending on build vs coyotes"-Raucey

[bold leaf]

If it means I get to run around like an idiot with a fallback sometimes, I'll take an 8% hit

[red island]

well thats extacly what i said xd

[west badge]

Yeah, not recommended in countdown

[onyx sage]

i mean it can work in countdown, just not optimal

[west badge]

It's like a WWE intro, never know whos on the otherside of that smoke 😂

[onyx sage]

i just look at the triangles

[west badge]

I'd imagine its better for PVP

[onyx sage]

it works a bit differently in pvp

[blissful inlet]

Any builds for Legendary ?

[urban latch]

no its not and dont try to pretend it was. seriouesly, just stop

[magic pilot]

It's actually terrible in PvP

[magic pilot]

Striker and eclipse foam in the pinned guide

[red island]

it is what i said tho, play recklessly

might not like it, but i said it

[hollow relic]

Hey everyone. I found this build. Is it good for PvP?

[fresh fox]

yea it’s decent

i wouldn’t do the gila gloves and uzina holster personally

[hollow relic]

What can i put instead?

[fresh fox]

grupo and maybe contractors depending on your crit stats are looking

if they are looking grim use a another walker harris piece

ok yea i would just change it to a grupo and walker harris

[hollow relic]

So no Matador?

Now I'm more confused 😅

[fresh fox]

no keep matador

just change the gloves and holster to grupo and walker harris

[hollow relic]

The problem is that my matador is all red 😦

[fresh fox]

so you have 2pc walker harris

[hollow relic]

Thank you @fresh fox

[magic pilot]

Contractors and walker holster

[hollow relic]

Chest not good i think

[urban latch]

Was that fenris chest chd/chc? Because if so that's a fantastic piece of have

[hollow relic]

Maybe farm fenris also?

[urban latch]

The fenris chest is much harder to get with a blue core since it naturally drops red, so you need it to already drop with unbreakable and crit rolls

[hollow relic]

Yeah

[azure plank]

In this build the kneepad showing skill tier

And I farmed this, So it wont' work right?

[red island]

you can recalibrate the core

but yeah you need a yellow minor, so theses 2 wont do

i forgot if you need skill damage or something else as minor

[junior surge]

Always skill damage. Your healing is dependent on damage dealt.

[azure plank]

I was more likley intersted in this build, I love to use striker drone, most of the mission turret and sometime seeker mine

[azure plank]

Like as you said I can recalibrate this one right?

[azure plank]

also I love rifles

[red island]

you can recalibrate 1 stat and 1 stat only

[analog pulsar]

https://youtu.be/LSVmq4vgsyw?si=N9bFbIHm_QLkOmXx

Exodus broken confirmed

👀

[magic pilot]

his videos are getting better

[red island]

i should do div 2 videos

first video : "how to be worse at the game than before despite having good gear" and then its me losing in normal difficulty

[hazy steeple]

That thumbnail is something special.

[azure plank]

Hi, getting exotic items from dark zone is rare or luck?

ah same thing

[hazy steeple]

No Directives, so any TL (targeted loot) drops within the DZ are rarer overall.
Which Exotics are you looking for, specifically?

If you're trying to farm out the Ravenous/Eagle Bearer/or Bighorn: they aren't affected by what's listed on the DZ, so they're MUCH rarer.

[azure plank]

Oh nah just asking, Most of them I found from Priority objective

Playing Dark Zone but didn't get any exotic that's why

Was looking for skill tier refactor gear set and all of them armor just

🤣

[hazy steeple]

Refractor is an odd one, but overall you're going to have to find the other attributes that you need and change the base tier instead.

[azure plank]

Ah that's what Lyfe the Enthusiast said, So have to find perfect one than I can do the recalibration or changing the tier

[hazy steeple]

Think of div2 like a puzzle game, with shooty bits tacked on.

But less "portal" and more "obra dinn".

[rich lotus]

I like to think of this game as a casino and gamble at the crafting station all day

[hazy steeple]

And like a casino: you are never going to win by gambling.
The Crafting Station always scales down to Normal Difficulty, so you're FAR better off just running some Challenging Countdown for loot.

[onyx sage]

as an average player i just craft random stuff and play on challenging

[rich lotus]

Crafting station doubters smh

[hazy steeple]

Like good RNG, you can absolutely win: but in the end; the house is going to take your mats far more than you'll get out of it.

e.g. burning money will keep you warm.

[rich lotus]

I remember gambling my Regulus that had max DTTOC optimized to get a godrolled one with max DTTOC 😃

cause it doesn’t have that optimized symbol on it

😎

Only took like 300 components

[onyx sage]

first world problems

donate those components to me

i need to max expertise my 5.11

[rich lotus]

We need to lock you up rn

[urban latch]

the crafting goat

[hazy steeple]

Every time I see that, the resolution gets worse.

[strange dew]

Good evening, does a deactivation resistance build exist for lvl 100 summit hunters? Thank you.

[red island]

you mean emp resistance ?

[hazy steeple]

It's referred to as Hazard Protection in div2, and yes!

[strange dew]

hoo ok

[azure plank]

Bad luck is so true, Did summit 6 floor something with targeted loot to refactor and all I got armor

[strange dew]

yes

[red island]

try countdown instead

[hazy steeple]

Gear/brand pieces in div2 are locked to the same core, so you're only ever going to get armour on those pieces.

[azure plank]

there have a guy outside countdown mission

so strong, sometimes he kill me with blink of an eye

[red island]

its a hunter, dont face him alone, follow your team all the time

[urban latch]

The easiest way is to deploy a skill while on technician spec and be within 5m when they spawn

[azure plank]

Oh I play alone I don't know nobody to play with team

[red island]

the best is to play on challenging with 8 people, you'll drop a lot of loot, and its fast

[strange dew]

ok

thx you

[azure plank]

Also this

[hazy steeple]

^

[azure plank]

Yeah Did, with gloves

But kneepads isn't working maybe did something wrong

have to unlock capacitor

trying so hard to complete headshot elite

if it works then foam with granade kills

[tawny copper]

@azure plank You can matchmake Content tho. Im a solo player too and whenever I wanna do Countdown, you can matchmake and ppl join fast. Play on Challengine tho!

[worldly laurel]

But i like the Legatus mask and the 10% swap speed
Helps with the theme being "Flow" of the build.

[bright raptor]

Refactor has half the pieces on armor and half the pieces on skill

[rain scarab]

is Yaahl gear brandset not in the game anymore?

[red island]

yes ?

its dz eclusive tho

[rain scarab]

man that sucks, cant target farm it

[red island]

yeah, exclusive items are like that

[hexed steppe]

Can use hazpro to gain disrupt resistance. Hunters in summit need like 96% disrupt resist to be immune

[hexed steppe]

Keep an eye on the clan vendor. Yaahl goes on sale sometimes and it's worth buying up a bunch for the mats. Then craft yaahl for what you need. It's around 6mil to fill up on yaahl mats

[rain scarab]

thanks, easy credits?? I only have 1 million creds

[hexed steppe]

If you craft what you need the same week they on sale, then you can just buy what's needed. 5 per craft.

[polar rose]

Could I use the chameleon in a striker build

[waxen sage]

yes absolutely its a great choice

it plays more like an smg than an ar so you'll want to be up close, but it works great

chameleon outputs ludicrous damage once you get it going

[proven merlin]

Non striker recommendation detected!!!!! REEEEEEEEEE

Everyone hates on St Elmo but i find it better than Lex

[solar sable]

you can but you have better options rather than Chamaleon tbh.

[polar rose]

I’m using the st Elmo atm

[proven merlin]

Apparently, last time I mentioned it someone was like “noo it’s marginally worse than X gun”

[solar sable]

they hate Elmo's because it's overused, not because it's bad
it's just a pretty easy to use AR

[proven merlin]

I use it bcs its my highest expertise level

I just started using Bluescreen with an OD build but idk i havent been jiving with it

I finally managed to get good knees yesterday

I was gonna use it for legendary/master

I tried it on Heroic but i was having issues with Bichon

I always just use foundry + bulwark + liberty or HW + BTSU glove + heals

[onyx sage]

striker and HHF my beloved

[waxen sage]

you see a lot of "st elmos sucks because the shock rounds sometimes make enemies kneel behind cover"

i could never hate my beloved shock rounds they go so hard

[onyx sage]

it's a pretty niche downside of it that really doesn't matter

even for me it's still relevant due to the ammo retention

[proven merlin]

Nah i just stand in front of the miniguns and tank shots

[onyx sage]

it giving a free mag every 2 mags is a big deal

[proven merlin]

Liberty repairs my shield and arti hive also but less often

[onyx sage]

yeah it is

[proven merlin]

Yes and no, i need to position myself infront of my teammates

[onyx sage]

the reason why people don't recommend it is you're also blocking your teammates' shots

[proven merlin]

I’ve been lucky enough so far to matchmake with people than can actually aim and shoot

[onyx sage]

well it's not a problem of them being able to aim or not

[proven merlin]

Just waiting for the one team that makes me delete the loadout

[onyx sage]

you can block a good aim player's shots equally well

[proven merlin]

True but also tbf they die pretty fast

[onyx sage]

your lobby also has to be bad enough to need you to use it

[proven merlin]

Meh, i usually just matchmake and it works well 99% of the time

Except on tidal, that one isnt as good for the build

[onyx sage]

what i do know is anything i matchmake into, i bring either striker or HHF and everything dies

[weak shoal]

Me either. They can be so clutch at times

[onyx sage]

and it saves everyone's time

[proven merlin]

I assume most of the people i get when i matchmake are also running the same

[onyx sage]

most of them do not run HHF

[proven merlin]

Striker

Mb shoulda specified

[dark geyser]

Can someone point me in the right build direction for floor 100 legendary

[proven merlin]

Check the pinned build sheet

[iron flicker]

hey guys im pretty new to the game is this a good build or what can i improve on?

[onyx sage]

it's good, i would replace the chest for ceska brand instead

[proven merlin]

Solid build, replace chest with ceska

I’ve been meaning to make a build but i deleted the rolls I had like a dummy because i didnt pay attention to what the gear talent was

[iron flicker]

sounds good, thanks!

[onyx sage]

what do you run there?

makes sense

i might make a mortar refactor

cuz why not

[proven merlin]

I think i have a few Hana-U i’d need to check

Any talents in particular you recommend

O im blind nvm

[onyx sage]

lol

do the heals not work or

[proven merlin]

Glass cannon kinda scares me because im already bad at the game as it is i dont need to die more often

[onyx sage]

well it's offset by your skills taking the aggro

so GC works rather well

[proven merlin]

I see people using turret and drone is that the wave for Ref?

[onyx sage]

is it more consistent to use turret and drone then?

hmm...

i'm kinda inclined not to believe that yet since mortar does deal more

but i'll make it to see

[proven merlin]

Is there an effect range or is it just whoever is in your group?

[onyx sage]

you pick it up before you spend the last shell

so you don't refresh the entire duration

it's only 10s downtime at most

well running refactor with any skill shits its damage

that's not the problem

that is true

but again, not the problem

i mean a good mortar player gets close to the enemies so the travel time isn't that big

...the point is to deal damage while healing

you're not throwing away a skill build player's mindset just because you use a different gear set

yes so you do it while using refactor

that's the meat and potatoes i wanted to get to

[proven merlin]

the burst heal from mortar is likely lest consistent than constant heal (albeit slower) from turret

[onyx sage]

so the turret and drone damage is more sustained, but is still high enough?

that's not what i'm trying to get to, more like are the heals from turret drone still high enough

[proven merlin]

whats the recommended core rolls for ref

[onyx sage]

i don't care about the duration if it's not high enough

okay that answers my question

hmm, i'm missing 2 skill damage rolls but 2 mortar hits basically fills up my armor

i hate the gloves and knees

i will try it

i'm not saying i'm right or wrong, just want to give it an honest try

yeah i know for sure, turret drone is basically the default

i just crafted 4, living with gloves and knees having subpar attributes rn

yeah there's no reason to run mortar except to meme

yeah, it's pain

[proven merlin]

Thoughts?

[onyx sage]

i'd drop the backpack and use a ceska vigi/wicked backpack

[proven merlin]

needit for 4pc

[onyx sage]

then use OD gloves

[proven merlin]

contractor for +lmg dmg

[onyx sage]

not as strong as vigi/wicked

[proven merlin]

dont have a ceska backpack

at least, not one with good rolls

thoughts?

[onyx sage]

it works

[proven merlin]

od glove over contractor?

chc over status effects?

[onyx sage]

basically you want total weapon damage

backpack talents give it

wicked basically gives you 18% more damage on top of everything

vigi 25% but OD just lets you proc wicked so often

[proven merlin]

od bag gives me more base dmg than ceska

granted my od bag is max weap dmg and my ceska is not

noted

[onyx sage]

basically total weapon damage > weapon damage

[proven merlin]

50% longer and 100% (2x) dmg, albeit my bleed dmg is already low

[onyx sage]

the bleed's base dmg is shit

it's so low boosting it by what seems like a lot isn't even worth it

[proven merlin]

yeah i was just listing the bag talent

2 PfE mod

[onyx sage]

random question, have you run the weekly leg yet?

[proven merlin]

yes

[onyx sage]

have you run all 5?

[proven merlin]

overall yes, weekly no

[onyx sage]

damn, kinda in the mood to run leg

[subtle bluff]

me 2

[onyx sage]

give me an hour to get ready

i need to get my socks

[proven merlin]

idm, i'll test the various builds i saw

im going to run CD for refactor, just give me a ping

[hexed steppe]

mortar worth. mortar skill, best skill.
Mortar Supremacy

[proven merlin]

which are main use? my bp and gloves and knees rolled blue core

chest and BP? or just chest?

oh right]

forgor

no exotic?

spooky

[shy willow]

Exotics on skill builds are generally quite niche

[hexed steppe]

could btsu if use a hive

[merry marlin]

So im trying to get back in Division 2, is Bluescreen with Heartbreaker set any good? I haven't played since ummm whenever Bluescreen was released/

[proven merlin]

time to farm ref and hana U i guess

[proven merlin]

bluescreen is currently pairing very well with OD

[hexed steppe]

what skills? pca is a great talent but if they are long lasting skills then tech support would be stronger overall

[merry marlin]

OD?

[proven merlin]

ongoing directive

[merry marlin]

ah

[proven merlin]

drone + turret

[merry marlin]

sadly don't have the mask, got Vile

[hexed steppe]

you need to proc pca a lot to benefit those

[proven merlin]

that can work too just lsoing out on dmg

[hexed steppe]

its coyote

[merry marlin]

yeah never got coyote, had terrible rng whenever i try to get it

[proven merlin]

its been sitting in my stash for like a year now, this is the first time im using it and even then its a recommendation so i really wouldnt know

[hexed steppe]

need sacrifices... Lootcifer wills it
🔥 😈 🔥

[merry marlin]

lol

[hexed steppe]

it fits really well in mortar setup, tbh. anything that is more of a burst damage rather than sustained skill damage benefits

[merry marlin]

I've been out of the loop for so long that I gotta take in all the new stuff added to the game right now

[hexed steppe]

the 3 second proc kinda limits it a bit

[proven merlin]

normal hana u + ts then?

[hexed steppe]

brand would be preference. if planning on using glass, you can wyvern tesch support and then yellow sacrifice with perfect glass. should be similar damage since both are single source damage buffs

[proven merlin]

damn i JUST dismantled my last Scrifice

it for refactor

[hexed steppe]

at that point the brand bonus is already seeing diminishing returns regardless of the brand

i really need to go back to Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing on c64 🤦‍♂️ ... im kinda bad, as my edit history surely illuminates

[proven merlin]

damn mavis beacon, i havent heard that name in years

sleeper agent activation moment

[hexed steppe]

👴

[proven merlin]

i remember using it in elementary before every school ever got macs and ipads

[hexed steppe]

a simpler time

[proven merlin]

speak of the devil i just got a Sacrifice from a named cache

[hexed steppe]

kinda funny to think about writing out lines and lines of instructions, just to save them on a cassette tape 😆

perfect

[proven merlin]

fairly decent roll too

albeit idk if this will pair well with refactor

[hexed steppe]

if using tech class the core wont matter

that idk, but if youre using skill you already want to be in cover anyways, so it should be good

budget refracture... or maybe selfish refracture

[proven merlin]

fair enough

[bold leaf]

I tried GC with Refactor and no it wasn't worth it

[proven merlin]

hmm, well i need to farm a few better rolls so i'll test out everything when i get them

[onyx sage]

ready for some leg? @subtle bluff

[proven merlin]

bout to finish thios CD

[onyx sage]

let me know when

[proven merlin]

/invite GS_9-

[woeful zodiac]

Is Lady Death Exotic better than Dark Winter?

[glad heart]

Dark Winter, just like all vector based weapons, is all pew pew, but not much damage. Lady Death way better

[proven merlin]

Depends on the build your running, mosty people like the vector

[woeful zodiac]

I'm running more of a damage and skill build with Exodus Gloves

[warm knot]

Depends on the build, but for me dark winter is way better.

[proven merlin]

DW

[wary forge]

Guys any1 have a good status effect build for heroic (or above) that actually kill? Not just a suport build or crowd control?

Im not a big fan of skill builds.. im using actually a eclipse for speed run lower difficulties, and is awesome.

But for heroic.. is meh..

[shy willow]

Eclipse is the best by far

You can get stronger ticks from high end but you don't get the spread

But yeah to manage expectations on legendary or heroic you're better off running foam if in a group

[wary forge]

Im using this one.. worth remove vile and put a gila/electrique with glass canon or the perfect glass canon?

Cuz for heroic/legendary its feel very weak..

[wary forge]

Foam guy, got it!

[shy willow]

On a fire setup the eclipse bag is an absolute must

[wary forge]

Ok i will try it! With perfect creeping death i lose to much dmg.

And about the chest? Worth put glass canon? Or no?

[shy willow]

If you want maximum tick damage then yeah

[vestal ibex]

EP bag is a 30% damage amp to status effected ememies so it's huge.

[proven merlin]

@feral flare since it got deleted from the other channel

[hexed steppe]

last couple hours to speed up nemesis project. just need 2 pieces and blueprint drops. nemesis farmable after you get the blueprint

[proven merlin]

noted

[onyx sage]

can you send me a fr req on discord rq?

i'll send you le stuff

[proven merlin]

added

[woeful zodiac]

Meaning?

[proven merlin]

darkWinter

[woeful zodiac]

Damn thanks 👍🏼

[sullen night]

April Fool's item, go make some clown builds 😅

[patent fossil]

Time to max hh damage and just hit double kills all the time 😂

[subtle bluff]

log in

Sorry to be blunt. How the heck would I know.

[fresh fox]

how would he know if it’s permanent it was given to him

personally i don’t think it will be permanent because it’s not in expertise menu

[urban latch]

It's a well known fact that chow is a time traveler from 4/2, but he's sworn to secrecy to prevent changing the timeline

[fresh fox]

it’s true

#factchecked

[subtle bluff]

🐻‍❄️

[hazy steeple]

They're a time traveller from the 4th of February? Well they 100% wouldn't know it then.

The bunny ears are permanent now in WF.

hah, called it.

It seems like it'd be more effort to remove the joke items from the game.

Time will tell, but I'm saying for now that assume you can keep those exotic components, I mean new things.

[patent fossil]

People said it's just disabled in pvp

[urban latch]

The year is unknown

[hazy steeple]

I was making a joke about date formats lol.

[distant heron]

Is the green stuff good

[patent fossil]

Only if you have 4 pieces of the same set, and only some sets

[distant heron]

I have two so far of one set

[patent fossil]

Better not to equip them until you have all 4 pieces, just use yellow items instead (you're missing out on 2 secondary stats and a chest talent otherwise, as well as brand bonuses)

[bold robin]

xD liking the kneepad

[distant heron]

I thinks that’s sett has 6 set

[red island]

the kneepads are awesome

[cyan drift]

these are gonna murder PVP right

[red island]

you can equip 6 pieces but it only need 4 to work

[cyan drift]

at least marginally, or does it spread the damage too thin to actually kill anything?

[distant heron]

I’m still learning how to use all the sets this is my real first go at playing once 40 si don’t know what I’m doing when it comes to this stuff

[red island]

take your time, there is a lot to learn

[distant heron]

I want to run sharpshooter with sniper and m60 as second gun I don t know what to use to do that type of build

[magic pilot]

Doesn't work I don't think

[red island]

check pinned message for spreadsheet with all the builds, you'll find something you like

[vestal ibex]

Well FYI these things are bugged and crazy OP.

[magic pilot]

I know I'm stalking your messages in the other discord

[vestal ibex]

Dude it's 1000% broken.

[upper terrace]

Just coming back to game after being gone a while. I am going to farm for Strega AR I think, any other recs?

[magic pilot]

Get a ceska obliterate or glass chest

[upper terrace]

So only 3 pc?

[magic pilot]

No, Nego knees

[upper terrace]

Ah, got it. Ok!

Is Strega a good AR to aim for in this build? Or should I prio something else?

[forest trail]

what would be the best support build? the new healer?
i want a build that helps my friends as they are new players but not just outright carry the shit out of them

[magic pilot]

Eclipse foam

[forest trail]

thats still carrying them kinda to hard imo
they dont get to actually play the game

[stiff jasper]

I am curious how they mess up it, but I am still on working hours🫠

[forest trail]

is that just a named?

not in the spreadsheet hello?

it is on live tho right?

ok ok ty ty

OH i dont have to farm it??? okayyyy

[magic pilot]

Man I can't do shit right....

[magic pilot]

I am confusion

[forest trail]

how... are you confused

[hazy steeple]

Oh btw, the iKia link is still like 15 years old,

[magic pilot]

They do all the shooting

How you carrying too hard

[forest trail]

we are playing on challenging
The enemies die just from vile + foam man

[hazy steeple]

You're playing on Challenging.

You can kill enemies with stern words.

[forest trail]

they are lvl 6 and 15

[hazy steeple]

Assuming you mean SHD 6 and 15, then that's the endgame.
It's just a matter of putting the build together, and then working out how to use it.

[magic pilot]

You don't use vile on foam

lol

[hazy steeple]

If you find yourself "carrying too hard" with a foam build, try something like a red FI or even shrap-trap spam.

[forest trail]

well
yeah
but i was just asking if there is a good build that i could support them and still let them experience the game
thats why i said for a build thats not too crazy and would just boost them around and asked about the new healer set

[magic pilot]

Yea eclipse foam lol

Or just build FI healer then they do more dmg as well

[fresh fox]

what was it before

[magic pilot]

50%

Just realized it's 5% over 10s

[patent fossil]

I'd assume it's 5% per second for 10s, so 50% total?

[magic pilot]

Yea I thought it was worded differently before

[violet juniper]

🤦‍♂️

[patent fossil]

You should block out the name on this, we have rules against naming and shaming

[violet juniper]

They're not a member of this discord

but ok

Give me a minute

[patent fossil]

Eh, still though

[violet juniper]

better

[urban latch]

Not enough improvised pieces

[vernal needle]

hey, what's a red striker build? does red refer to the red circle thing? is this a red striker? 🤔

[patent fossil]

Yes, just means that the core stats on each item are red (weapon damage, not skill tier or armour), and usually all the minor stats are red too

I would probably swap that holster to a striker one and run a grupo obliterate chest, though

[magic pilot]

2 ceska

[vernal needle]

I like Shocker Punch in holster 😛

[analog pulsar]

Do we have updated build ? Looks fun

[urban latch]

There's a setup for it in the pinned spreadsheet

[tall ore]

What would new named kneepads go good with in a build

[patent fossil]

Striker, any headhunter build

Not Negotiators though

[analog pulsar]

Yeah i saw it but idk if its still that build

The main target is effect status then skill haste?

[onyx sage]

yes

[analog pulsar]

Ok