td2-build-advice

[subtle bluff]

with Crit talk.

Just keep grinding, make sure you finish off Wony to get all of your SHD skills, and wherever else.
When you're ready to make builds there's a great in the Pinned Messages.

[dark bough]

you see the only other exotics i have are acostas go bag, sawyers knee pads i think theyre called and lastly rugged gauntlets. so coyotes mask is the best one i got

[subtle bluff]

You don't need to use Exotics.

They're not always the BiS or even good sometimes.

[waxen sage]

but i provide the counterargument: using exotics is cool

[dark bough]

ye i know but its the best headgear i got so might aswell use it

[subtle bluff]

It is not the "Best" mask in the game.

[dark bough]

of course it isnt! its just the best i have

[subtle bluff]

Just keep grinding like I said and stop sweating the build at the moment.

You still have a purple.

[upper terrace]

When I last played, I had a classic M1a build with all yellows and coyote mask. is that still viable?

[dark bough]

yea i do because the bonus gives me marksman damage and i somehow havent found a gold hg holster

like christ ive been looking for one and still have not found it

[subtle bluff]

Finish off the manhunt stuff for your SHD skills and get all you gear to level 40 then you can start doing targeted loot stuff

[subtle bluff]

is that like 4 years ago?

[upper terrace]

Yes lol

[subtle bluff]

Ya no it's not a thing anymore

[upper terrace]

damn, that was fun

[subtle bluff]

You can do something kind of like it but nowhere that I understand from then.

[dark bough]

i mean fair but im just messing around i just wanted an opinion since i saw what i had and wanted some advice, i am looking for certain things but not actively im just playing the game! like im doing dz n stuff and doing priorty missions since its fun to collect exotics

[subtle bluff]

Yea enough keep grinding it enjoy it. I wouldn't focus on the build just yet.

[dark bough]

im not really focusing on the build im just focusing on collecting exotics but when i can improve on my gear to make that stuff easier it kind of just comes with what im doing!

[subtle bluff]

If you're still on Story and normal difficulty don't worry. Once you want to start learning build like I said before, go to the Pinned Messages, there's a ton of builds and guides for them in there.

[dark bough]

well im playing on challenging, its fun

[subtle bluff]

I'm repeating myself. So GL HF then.

[dark bough]

plus i like kind of just crafting my own stuff and im honestly enjoying it! im not looking to be perfect im just trying to make something fun! and so far its pretty damn fun

[hazy steeple]

Yeah, div2 is big-time meant to be played as slow as you like.

[fair dragon]

Legendaries: am I a joke to you?

[dark bough]

i just like blowing peoples heads off and making them go blind with flashbangs!

[upper terrace]

So this is what would replace the Lexington? I haven't played in years

[hazy steeple]

The 3rd attribute should be dtooc (Damage to target out of cover), the Talent is more to-taste, but I recommend Strained, as its just a good all-rounder.

[upper terrace]

ah yeah, i re rolled the talent to strained. i'll look for one w/ dtooc

[hazy steeple]

as a general rule: it's good on basically every gun.

[brittle bloom]

Loot key boxes on walls in underground tunnels. You'll see the yellow on map indicating tunnels

[fickle ridge]

where do I look in the stats list for DTOC?

[versed summit]

it'll be the 3rd attribute on most weapons, and for LMGs it's the second attribute

[edgy valve]

Hi guys, i just moved over from console to pc yesterday, looking for help gearing and getting a good dps build together that can cmplete the raids.

[subtle bluff]

This is the build. For LFG there are channels for that.

[foggy kiln]

Hello! What build do you suggest for pve for a new fresh lvl40 player?

[waxen sage]

the striker build above is easy to set up and gets going pretty quickly

put that together and you can hold your own in essentially all endgame content

[sullen night]

is the +1 skill from Kard always active or only when you have it out?

[hazy steeple]

Only when you are physically holding it.

(it also works if you draw it, then pick a hive, so you can get 2 charges of a Rez Hive)

[waxen sage]

similarly, does sledgehammer only apply when you have said weapon in hand?

[patent fossil]

Eh, iirc sledgehammer does let you swap weapons after proccing it

[hazy steeple]

I know it was altered not too long ago, but can not bring myself to bother using it.

Okay enough results say it works like Kettle said, so just assume that's right for now.

[jaunty citrus]

So out of curiosity, what type of build is memento good for? I went through the spreadsheet and didn't see it, maybe im really going blind?

[glad pilot]

i dont undertand how to use the builder

oh

[patent fossil]

You can just slot it into solo builds where you can manage with a bit less dps, the extra toughness it gives is handy. Works well in skill/crit hybrids too. It's best in a close range build like hunters fury though, since you'll be benefitting from the short term buffs as well as the long term ones

[jaunty citrus]

Ok, ty

[patent fossil]

Even the long term buffs alone are pretty nice though

[subtle bluff]

hmm?

[glad pilot]

we aight, i didnt notice the dropdown arrows

[jaunty citrus]

So obliterate or intimidate for the chest on the hunters fury build?

[patent fossil]

Yup. Intimidate is stronger when active but has lower uptime in general

[jaunty citrus]

So go with intimidate over obliterate?

[patent fossil]

It's up to you, give them a try and see which you prefer. Intimidate definitely feels like it's more work to maintain.

[jaunty citrus]

Honestly intimidate sounds like it should pair with a heartbreaker build

[patent fossil]

Heartbreaker chest talent is standard on HB builds though

Ad rush is the other common match to intimidate

[prime elbow]

Can I run this with a Hunter’s Fury set and The Memento or is there better options?

I'll swap the blue for a crit dmg one

[patent fossil]

You could try but I suspect you'll find it makes you too squishy, up close playstyles have a much harder time avoiding incoming damage

Usual option would be ceska with obliterate or intimidate.

[prime elbow]

thx

[patent fossil]

Works well with striker though, outside of incursion

[prime elbow]

wouldn't it make me even squishier ?

[red island]

very unlikely to work, hunter fury rely on sustain, this chest will make you die instantly instead

[patent fossil]

Yes but you're already super squishy, so you should already be doing your best to avoid incoming damage by careful positioning

Being even more squishy doesn't make so much difference in gameplay

[prime elbow]

If I were to run this chest should I run memento or striker bp

[patent fossil]

Neither, run ceska or Providence with vigilance

[prime elbow]

Running around using this atm

[patent fossil]

Striker chest is generally only best in incursion or other situations where you have hugely tanky enemies to build stacks on. The most common recommendation is ceska obliterate chest with coyotes, the sacrifice/vigilance alternative is a bit stronger but definitely tougher to play. It's an excellent training tool too 😛

[prime elbow]

Another question about Hunters Fury, should I run this one + Scorpio (still have to find a maxed dtooc and the extendo mag) or one of those Vectors?

[red island]

its a fine weapon

[patent fossil]

I'm honestly out of touch with current smg rankings, with all the recent balance passes. I think some vectors are the better option now but there's probably not a huge difference in practice.

[prime elbow]

I see

[red island]

i prefer ouro, but thats mostly personnal preference at this point

tho you would reroll the 3rd attribute to dttooc not headshot damage

[prime elbow]

dont have it, where does it drop?

[patent fossil]

Vector or SMG-9 are top atm according to a recent post from another server

[bright raptor]

Incursion

[red island]

incursion exclusive

[bright raptor]

but yes Killer is now a much stronger talent than it used to be so this is pretty decent

[patent fossil]

If you're solo then chatterbox also very strong these days, assuming you can kill elites in <30 bullets or so

[bright raptor]

personally I'm not that much enthused with the 60% maximum chance to trigger Killer but I can't deny that you definitely feel it when it's on

[patent fossil]

Technically it's bigger than 60% chance I think since crits do so much more damage (depending on chd of course), so if enemy has small health left, might take 3 non crits in a row or one crit to finish them off.

Which in turn means if killer is active it's even more likely to reproc itself

The actual math is probably horrendous to work out though

[red island]

if you have enough crit damage, your crit will prob do 4 times more than normal shots, so the chances of that talent being active is almost 100% everytime

the only downside is that you dont refresh it iirc, you have to wait for it to end first which isnt great

[patent fossil]

Oh, so ignore my point about reproccing then if that's the case

[red island]

they might have changed it tho since, i dont use that talent often

ouro still is my beloved

[prime elbow]

Running full fire. Should I change smt or is this enough?

[vestal ibex]

electrique brand gloves, firewalls burn duration will net you more damage but survivalist will give your team more damage(you don't get your spec bonus to status) just make sure you have status effect everywhere and you gud to burn.

[thin olive]

Everlasting gaze.

[vestal ibex]

I would also advise not increasing fire chem expertise as it increases the damage of the initial fire blast which can kill weaker enemies without catching them on fire defeating the purpose of the build.

[thin olive]

Also i'd replace the gloves with Eclipse and use the named version of Electrique brand kneepads named Snow Machine.

[vestal ibex]

For inventory management I'd stay gloves cause the CC version could use BTSU if you wanted to do CC foam OC stuff. Either way it doesn't matter but your suggestion is more work which might be impossible for them anyway.

[patent fossil]

Also the snow would reduce the damage of the burn

[prime elbow]

Just rerolled, FINALLY

[onyx sage]

yeah, it requires an algorithm to simulate the chances to add them up, there's no nice formula for it

[red island]

doesnt sound like a complicated thing

[onyx sage]

it's more complicated than things that you have a formula for, but not that complicated

[vestal ibex]

You just slap it on and see how it performs in game for you, the longer you do and document it the better results you'll have.

[red island]

i mean its mostly a excel sheet

[onyx sage]

read what i said again...

[red island]

i read that

im agreeing with you

[patent fossil]

Set up a simulation to model it a few thousand times and see how it averages out

[red island]

thats too much work

we mathematicians are lazy

thats why we calculate stuff so that we dont have to test it

thats why engeneers and mathematicians are mortal enemies

they test things without calculating anything first

thoses damn savages

[onyx sage]

reddit a week ago had a thread about killer proc chance too, there was a guy who was adamant the proc chance is equal to chc

even though we have to run a simulation to add up the proc chance, at least we can prove whatever it is, it's still greater than chc

[red island]

well obviously chc plays a part but its not everything

[patent fossil]

Chd plays the biggest part

[red island]

people really miss a lot

[onyx sage]

yeah, he's ignoring chd and the enemy's remaining health

but he was adamant when presented with all the math

[red island]

yeah, its the internet, and reddit is the worse offender at this

refusing to accept facts

yesterday on some twitch chat i was talking about something and the guy wasnt liking being told he was wrong, he went from "no its not" to "im gonna hurt you irl" real fast lmao

what a lovely time to be alive

[onyx sage]

oh boy

[red island]

well, its the internet i guess

not the worst i seen in there

[patent fossil]

Some people attach their egos to their ideas and get personally offended when their ideas aren't right

[red island]

ye

thats kinda sad tbh

but whatever

[edgy valve]

anyone got a pic of solid skill build for legendary missions?

[urban latch]

What lol

[red island]

its an old meme

[urban latch]

Again WHAT

[red island]

my dude

its called a joke

[vestal ibex]

Jokes usually have punch lines tho

[red island]

when you spend so much time fighting with engeneers or biologists in uni you get this sense of humor

[prime elbow]

Not necessarily

[prime elbow]

And given that you used usually it could apply to this joke

[vestal ibex]

Puns/play on words are the other imo

[urban latch]

Anything more than 2-3 sig figs is a waste of time

[prime elbow]

Why the strawberry was crying?

[red island]

i love engineers doing that stuff

i also have some but nsfw

so i'll stop here

[prime elbow]

Dead ppl ?

[red island]

nah

[lavish flare]

How did you guys get your perfect gear mods? Just countdown targeting them or?

[onyx sage]

it's true, we do hate each other

[hazy steeple]

@lavish flare You really don't need perfect mods, anything above 80% of the way there is fine.

You'll get better ones over time. It's really not a rush.

[lavish flare]

I need a 10% pulse resistance 😦

I really wanna make a pulse res build and its only really worth doing with a maxed out gear mod unless you gotta use 2

[red island]

you dont need 100% pulse res

anything high enough you wont be scanned

[lavish flare]

Really? I use 99.7% and get scanned i swear

[urban latch]

Pulse resisntance for pvp is kind of weird. Its actually in your favor to have a pulse mod in the high 9%s than it is to have 100%. At +99% you'll be notified that you were pulsed, but the duration is so short it does nothing, but if you were at 100% you wouldnt know someone tried to pulse you.

[lavish flare]

Im just really thinkin about heartbreaker and avoiding giving them stacks

Like at 99.7 im still giving them stacks at the same rate as 0 am i not?

[urban latch]

you'll be absolutely fine vs them

they will get at most 1 bullet pulsed and nothing more

[lavish flare]

How does it work exactly then? Cause im confused, if i do get pulsed even a little bit wont it still end up giving the stack?

[vestal ibex]

You just know you're getting scanned they don't see you.

[lavish flare]

Seriously? wth lmaoo

[vestal ibex]

100% is only good against heart breaker.

[lavish flare]

Wait so this is what i mean

If someones using the classic setup with the laser pointer from technician how does that work at 99.7?

As well as if they arent using it and pulsing me with headshots how does that work?

[urban latch]

The pulse duration is a fraction of a second. You won't even "glow" on their screen. If they are shooting at 900rpm (15 shots per second) the first bullet may/may not count as pulsed and the following bullets won't either

[vestal ibex]

I figure if they point a LLP at you it'll do something yeah?

[lavish flare]

Right, if its constant as long as they are steady on me then i figure it would still

[urban latch]

Pointing it acts like using a pulse skill, not as a continuous pulsing effect. So to get multiple pulses they would need to pan over you multiple times. But you also gain haz pro/resistances from taking those effects multiple times, so even that will stop working

[vestal ibex]

Pulse haz you funny

I doubt it falls under that repeating status thing

[urban latch]

its the same reason that we become immune to other status before 100%

[lavish flare]

Why did my message get deleted? Because i mentioned grouping up?

[urban latch]

was that really deleted for being an "lfg".....

[lavish flare]

Id bet money that was rivens

[hazy steeple]

It wasn't, but sure whatever.

I would've done it anyway. It was a direct LFG.

[lavish flare]

It was part of a conversation about build making, should i have to go in another channel and at the 2 people i was talking to? And split my conversation awkwardly

[hazy steeple]

Yes.

[red island]

pay up

[lavish flare]

Like yeah you CAN delete it for lfg but its just inconvenient

[red island]

but for real tho, thats still lfg

just go dm or lfg chan

[lavish flare]

I'll believe it when i see a pic of the audit log /j

[hazy steeple]

It doesn't log who did it, but regardless: the rules are the same for everyone. It doesn't matter if it's related to the conversation.

We let one through, it lets a flood-gate. Seen it happen about 3 times a day, every day.

[lavish flare]

I wouldnt count it as letting one through when i didnt enter the build advice channel with the sole intention of creating a squad

[red island]

the reason doesnt matter

[lavish flare]

But i dont think its that big of a deal to sitll be talking about it all now lol

[vestal ibex]

Guys this is build advice please stick to the topic of the channel....

[lavish flare]

I was gonna make this joke but i shut my mouth 💀

[red island]

speaking of builds

did anyone make a refractor build that is actually good now ?

or is it just bad no matter what

[vestal ibex]

Define good for us then.

[lavish flare]

I had an idea for one that i scrapped when i realized its kinda just heartbreaker but witht he ability to be shut down with an EMP

[red island]

at this point im not even sure, its supposed to be a bruiser dps/healer ? so i guess its bad at both

[lavish flare]

You could make a pretty good one with ninjabike and refactor and picaros im sure

Or not even picaros but just a regular brazos

[patent fossil]

for helping carry randoms in legendary strongholds, it's apparently extremely strong at keeping everyone alive

[vestal ibex]

idk giving up a backpack talent is a stuggle

[onyx sage]

stuggle, point and laugh

[lavish flare]

Think of the backpack talent as "170000 armour, 15% weapon damage, 1 skill tier"

[hazy steeple]

The combination of picaros and ninja is going to set someone on fire when they read it, I just know it.

[onyx sage]

memento has the same thing

[lavish flare]

Its just to get as much skill tier as possible without sacrificing too much damage

So it covers needing another piece of brazos

[onyx sage]

the talent is in the brands

[lavish flare]

Thats the way i saw it anyways

[onyx sage]

well just get another piece of brazos

[vestal ibex]

bp talent for 1 skill tier is what your saying then?

[onyx sage]

even better, ditch picaros and use 2 normal brazos pieces

[lavish flare]

Technically 2 if you count nbb bags own

[lavish flare]

I was tryna keep lean into all the roles of the refactor set

[onyx sage]

use a normal backpack with skill tier, basically ninjabike's selling point isn't the cores it has

[lavish flare]

It really wasnt as bad as it sounds thru text i swear

[onyx sage]

it's in the brands it's boosting, are you getting enough value out of them?

[red island]

so, i guess there is no refractor build then

[hazy steeple]

You know, since you're going for the multi-core setup, there is another piece that does it better.

Oh I am saving that one.

[vestal ibex]

I think this just sums it up tho, it's a hybrid by nature(blues and yellows) and going for several things on a build leads to lacking builds.

[lavish flare]

this

[lavish flare]

waveform?

[hazy steeple]

Yes, Waveform is excellent in how it provides all 3 cores in a backpack.

My favourite kneepads? Coyotes.

[lavish flare]

You didnt mention backpack or specifically 3 distinct cores

[hazy steeple]

I did in the gif that I deleted :p

[lavish flare]

You said 3 core setup on another piece of gear

[lavish flare]

Atleast you even delete your own things

Sorry that was argumentative

[hazy steeple]

We delete dozens of things every day, just most people don't notice.

[red island]

i know a holster that have 3 core

its piracos with nbb

[patent fossil]

...that's two items

[lavish flare]

I cant help but get my feeligns hurt

[red island]

dont spoil the surprise

[hazy steeple]

I think Lyfe was trying for something there but missed the mark.

anyway: Memento.

[vestal ibex]

That's the NNB user though process tho.

[red island]

my humour is to refined i guess

i'll refractor that

[lavish flare]

It might be hard to get the memento boost

Depends on how tanky you are if theres multiple people around

[hazy steeple]

The long-buff is actually very strong on its own.

buuuut it's more of a solo piece overall, but it can work in groups.

Honestly, a regular piece with a good Talent will be better for this situaiton anyway.

[lavish flare]

What backpack talent would work?

[vestal ibex]

Combined arms for refractor imo

Doing more damage=more heals

More damage is just good in it's self too.

[lavish flare]

cooked?

I wonder how well the refactor talent would keep you alive with a setup like this

Or if itd amount to nothing and youd die instantly

[vestal ibex]

perfect combined arms should be better yeah?

[patent fossil]

matchmake random legendary and put it to the test

[vestal ibex]

Go PFE mods too.

[red island]

the test : see if you get kicked before the mission start

[vestal ibex]

Shouldn't need haste/duration at all.

[lavish flare]

wyvern has 10% skill dmg and youd be sacrificing that for 5% more and some skill haste, im not sure

[patent fossil]

Clanmate said he ran leg tidal basin the other day in group where noone had done it before, 2 refactor and 2 dps, they breezed through with no problems at all. They were all somewhat experienced players though.

[lavish flare]

Does armour have a soft cap in this? Or can bonus armour go on forever?

Like can you get 4.5m armour from heartbreaker and pick up memento and pop a gunner armour kit?

[onyx sage]

maxes out at 200% of your white armor

[lavish flare]

Ah

[vestal ibex]

It's 10% normie SD vs 5% TSD

[red island]

i will read tsd as chad skill damage now

[onyx sage]

total skill damage is a different multiplier from skill damage

[lavish flare]

ive never heard anyone say tsd whats that

[lavish flare]

oh, youre from the future i see

[vestal ibex]

total skill damage

[lavish flare]

Answered me before i even asked

So after we put skill damage on everything what comes next

[red island]

repair skill i guess

[lavish flare]

Skill haste or skill duration mods?

[vestal ibex]

PFE

[lavish flare]

Would this increase effectiveness ?

[red island]

i guess it should

[lavish flare]

I always hear this but does it scale really well or smth?

[red island]

time to test it imo

[lavish flare]

Like why is this so sought after for pve

[red island]

cause its really effective, the more you ahve it the better it is

[vestal ibex]

It's a direct DR for elite enemies

[lavish flare]

And everything is elite in legendary ig

[red island]

no

but elites do hit like a truck

[lavish flare]

most everything? idk i dont play it often

[vestal ibex]

If you just have 12% mods which vendors sell it's 36%

The big thing is that skill haste/duration mods don't do much on drone/turret builds.

[lavish flare]

I got a singular 13% when i started this game by pure chance and have never seen another on esince

[vestal ibex]

Well some have 2k hours and still haven't seen 1. I only have like 2.

[wild lily]

I haven't seen a single 13% drop for me or anyone I've inspected in my 1k+ hours

[magic pilot]

I've got 2500 hours I've had 1 drop for me

[urban latch]

That's because the only drop in the loot piles you don't look at

[vestal ibex]

I mean you aren't wrong.

I'm like 50/50 on picking up loot now.

Caches too, they just drop on the ground.

[hazy steeple]

"you miss 100% of the shots you don't take" - Raucey.

[vestal ibex]

This is why Raucey has my back.

[lavish flare]

Sometimes i ignore loot, only to come back and pick it up ages later and it has in something good

Still never learn my lesson though, and keep ignoring stuff

ig this sorta makes sense

Im pretty sure the first ss is bugged

I keep forgetting refactor on that site is bugged out

You dont get that repair skills on the mask chest or backpack

and the bottom too

I keep clicking on stuff on autopilot

[vestal ibex]

I'd go cap too cause that does good damage while giving you more skill damage(60%) once stacked.

[lavish flare]

wdym cap?

[lavish flare]

40% from test subject and 30% from waveform isnt it?

Ohh capacitor is cap

[vestal ibex]

Yeah sorry work took me away for a min.

Capacitor will probably out DPS your skills and it's always better to kill stuff faster cause it's less incoming damge your DPS have to take.

[onyx sage]

just like all the ouros from moss he deconstructed

[subtle bluff]

Capacitor is better overall but test subject is better in short fights. If you’re in cover most of the time CHC instead of PFE will allow you to do more dmg with your weapons.

[vestal ibex]

Yeah really there is a lot of things you can change that might fit your play style better depending on how well you utilize them. Being a front line contributor vs a sit in cover skills player will drastically change what nets you better results.

[rocky rain]

What do you mean?

[hexed steppe]

was it not obvious?

[wild lily]

I'm going to guess, based on their question, the answer is: no

[hexed steppe]

it was a direct reply to a rather questionable build... but go ahead, sound off on something that has nothing to do with you 🤦‍♂️

[vestal ibex]

Maybe they don't understand what calling something cursed means?

[hexed steppe]

specifically, i meant the build was pretty cursed because of a lot of questionable choices. you could have ran hb with ceska vigilance and had a lot higher damage output. youre trading 2 superior types of damage ,(set/bag talent), for a couple of pretty poor set bonuses... memento exists and gives a lot more that ninja was unlocking. didnt really think it would need deeper explanation, but there you go.

[hexed steppe]

ig some ppl are hanging out under rocks for the last 20 years

[vestal ibex]

Bro I like my rocks.

I still can get used to people saying "lock in"

[bright raptor]

if they didn't you would not see nearly this much fanaticism over the NinjaBike bag

actually it might even be the rock in question

[vestal ibex]

NBB the rock that takes but doesn't give.

[hexed steppe]

[onyx sage]

i eat glue

[vestal ibex]

Favorite brand?

[hexed steppe]

locktite 401, most likely

back to work for me 👴

[subtle bluff]

Which color is that. I’ve worked up to green.

[hexed steppe]

401 is superglue, dries clear. I've uses a bunch of different types over the years. 480 (black) is good for pranks like sticking shoes to floors

Some of these ninja builds really need some superglue to keep them from falling apart. tied it in, not off topic

[gloomy spruce]

Hi, I am the Ninjabike Wolf 🐺
Did someone mention my favorite backpack?

Would you like an ill-conceived Ninjabike build?

[gloomy spruce]

They are held together by love of the Division 2 and a desire maybe one day learn the gear system and what an active backpack talent is capable of.

[versed summit]

Please no more

[gloomy spruce]

but, but, but.... The ninjabike backpack is the heart of the cards of the division 2's build system

[versed summit]

If only

[lavish flare]

Beginning to think it isnt possible to get kneepads or gloves for refactor that are anything but a blue core for both slots

[versed summit]

I've had awful RNG with them tbh, and I've heard the same from a lot of people.

Probably like everythingelse though with normal weighted rolls.

[lavish flare]

The kneepad and gloves are one of the exclusively blue core for the main attribute parts of the set

But ive seen the gloves go yellow once for the small attribute.. but its just sooo unlucky

[patent fossil]

cores are fixed depending on the slot for refactor

oh nvm, I guess you already know that 🙂

[lavish flare]

Yuhh, i just got it after like an hour or 2 of countdown, kneepads with skill dmg as secondary

[lavish flare]

lmfao i did it

went with perfect combined arms instead

purely because i lucked out getting a good one farming for refactor

It out heals the self damage in the range lmao

And im missing like 6% skill damage and an entire skill tier coz ive been too lazy to unlock technician but here we go ig

[honest moss]

This is exactly what i run, i love refactor atm. Hope it doesn't get changed

[lavish flare]

What skills do you use?

Drone and turret right?

[subtle bluff]

@versed summit why are we using these here?

[versed summit]

What exactly?

[subtle bluff]

This is actually easier to use then explaining it all. IDK

I'm trying to make one, for FI but I can't formating to be nice to me.

[versed summit]

I’ll send you the one I use for templates

[versed summit]

Mortar works fairly well now, cluster seekers, basically any damage skill can make sense IMO

Status effect skills are wasted here because you really can’t get as much out of them as you can with EP.

[honest moss]

Yeah, usually

[stiff bronze]

Someone have a build for solo in dark zone?

[honest moss]

I did also run a varient with btsu and stinger hive but without btsu its still good

[versed summit]

There’s a good guide on PvP builds in the pinned spreadsheet

[stiff bronze]

Where’s the pinned spreadsheet?

[prime elbow]

in the pin mark

[subtle bluff]

📌

[stiff bronze]

Sorry but i cant find it hahaha

[subtle bluff]

Top right

[honest moss]

If on mobile, press the top of this channel where it says #td2-build-advice with a little >

[stiff bronze]

Yes thank u, i found it

[versed summit]

#td2-build-advice message

[honest moss]

Will warn you though solo DZ can be tough. Lots of groups will flag solos and no build will beat a group of decent players

[stiff bronze]

I know but i havent a team

[lavish flare]

Whats the best second attribute to run alongside headshot dmg? CC? CD? a mix of both??

[patent fossil]

depends on the build, if it's a sniper build, and assuming you mean headshot damage, then weapon handling is the usual match.

[lavish flare]

Yeah i edited it so you look kinda crazy now but oops

Its for a bighorn build

Im just unsure if i should try to balance cc and cd or if i should lean into cd for the occasional crit or if i should lean into cc to get more crits even though they would be lower on damage

[subtle bluff]

So lost. Show the build so we can understand what we're trying to help you with.

[lavish flare]

In the open slots im unsure which would net me better dps, if cc or cd

[subtle bluff]

Guessing cc is CHC and CD is CHD.
Crit hit chance and Crit hot damage

[lavish flare]

yes sorry, i just opted for how i say it usually which it without the hit

[subtle bluff]

There's a lot of missing context so I thought you may of meant cc has in crowd control.

Is this PvE or PvP?

[lavish flare]

pvp, sorry

Doing quick math it seems 3 CHC and 2 CHD would be an increase in DPS but i wonder what actual experienced people think

[subtle bluff]

Let's me put it this way. You only have 10% CHC and CHD atm with that build.

[lavish flare]

Yeah i know

Its headshot focused, im just wondering what in the extra slots would increase the effectiveness of it

[subtle bluff]

It would be pointless to throw them in.

[lavish flare]

So what do you propose instead?

[subtle bluff]

It depends on your playstyle for the rest of the build.

[lavish flare]

Uhm, shooting people in the head

[subtle bluff]

That's is then Weapon Handling

You'll run into another issue where people live thru you and they'll take you down by that time.

[lavish flare]

But i feel like the bighorn doesnt handle too bad, and would the extra.. though slight.. damage from the small chance of a crit not be more beneficial?

[subtle bluff]

So you have to hit more.

[lavish flare]

Right

[lavish flare]

So youre saying this is solved by just having weapon handling?

[subtle bluff]

It'll help

[lavish flare]

I feel like the bighorn is pretty accurate honestly, especially with the 15 from eagles

[subtle bluff]

OK let's let you understand Crit

[lavish flare]

But i get what youre saying actually

[lavish flare]

mhm

[subtle bluff]

If you have 10% CHC atm and you add 5 x 6% CHC that's 30% CHC then another 10% from watch. So 40%

[civic turret]

What's the optimal roll for Nemesis? I got it to drop with DTTOC.

[subtle bluff]

Your prefect. leave it

[civic turret]

I'm assuming that'll work.

[lavish flare]

Also, 8% weapon handling x 5 seems like INSANE overkill right? How much more accuracy and stability can i really have lmao

[civic turret]

Good.

[subtle bluff]

It's also reload speed

[lavish flare]

eh?

Wait are u fr?

[subtle bluff]

You're gonna have a harder problem grinding the gear for these prefect stats you want

[bold leaf]

Weapon handling is more than just acc and stability

[lavish flare]

Already have it all

I only really make builds with what i have in my stash anymore

Might find an issue with the weapon handling only

But all of it is unrolled rn p sure

[subtle bluff]

Weapon Handling:
Reload Speed
Stability
Accuracy
Swap Speed

Against if you're asking this much you still have some learning how to make PvP builds.

regan is the normal other play

[lavish flare]

To an extent yeah, i just went wit hthe assumption that weapon handling was only acc and stab

[crude flame]

Lvl 250 build for legendary?

Solo

[lavish flare]

Just checked my stash and i do in fact have it all up to headshot damage, so all are unrolled and can have handling and regen put on if needed

[patent fossil]

I'm not a pvper, but I know that CHD is additive with HSD, so the extra damage from a crit headshot is going to be very minimal when you already have crazy high HSD. Obviously the gain on non-headshots will be bigger

[lavish flare]

fair

[onyx sage]

you can solo leg at 250

[crude flame]

Alright thanks

[hollow warren]

Heyy I’m tryna make a sniper and ar build can y’all give me one

[subtle bluff]

Look into the Pinned Messages there's 2 in there.

[hollow warren]

I don’t see it

[subtle bluff]

#td2-build-advice message

[hollow warren]

Still don’t see it and I read every message

[subtle bluff]

Go to the spreadsheet then builds in there.

[hollow warren]

Ok I seen it I jus need the mask and weapons

[hollow warren]

Heyy I found the build I wanted and I wanted to see if someone could help me get all the pieces

[waxen sage]

you can use the lfg channels and maybe find someone but to be honest just run the summit at a difficulty you can manage with targeted loot on for whatever parts you need, very doable solo

[hollow warren]

Ok bett

[waxen sage]

the higher the difficulty the better, so go for the highest you can manage consistently without dying

[hollow warren]

Ok I got you

[peak moss]

Using pestilence on my build just wondering if it’s worth me chucking on 1 or 2 weapon handling mods to help with recoil and reload speed?

[subtle bluff]

Not really.

[midnight drum]

Anyone willing to share some good pvp builds?

[dark bough]

gamers just got the white death and it has MAX headshot damage

radical, although idk if thats just normal with the thing or not

[fair dragon]

White Death always comes with a maxed HSD attribute. It's its only unique perk.

[dark bough]

is thats why its considered the best marksman rifle?

since honestly i also like the relic

[fair dragon]

Yes

[dark bough]

also ive somehow still have not found a sniper with determined to transfer to the white death

[fair dragon]

You can craft MMRs until you find one

[dark bough]

just did that and got litterally the opposite of what i needed like 6 times

mfin close and personal

[magic pilot]

https://lite.evernote.com/note/e276d9da-3885-ebd9-5354-35b77ed1c75c

[lavish flare]

What are some of the better assault rifle talents?

[waxen sage]

obviously depends on your build but if you're just looking for standard DPS talents Strained, Fast Hands, Flatline all great

Optimist as well

[lavish flare]

Thank you

[subtle bluff]

Strained, Measure, Fast Hands, Killer, Close & Personal, these are player preferences and styles. IMO no BiS over all.
Flatline, Sadist are good if you're build happened to work with them well.

[lavish flare]

Strained and Optimist seem like the go to when you dont need anything specific

[subtle bluff]

Optimist is mid when it's the perfect version, it's actually really good.
Problem with both is that you don't get the top part of it's dmg will you're at the end of mag.

IMO the best talent is the one you can keep the most uptime with.

[hard turret]

is there a list of what the general loot pool is and where exclusive items can be found?

[vocal flare]

There is, I'll dm it to you, I don't know if links are allowed in this chat. It's a doc from the official discord

[hard turret]

Ok thanks

[hazy steeple]

@hard turret You can also just click on the 📌 pinned-message in this channel, and go to "spreadsheet 2" (you need to scroll down).

Since it was made by the folks here.

[vocal flare]

Ah yeah, I thought I was in the other Division discord. It's the same link that's pinned, my bad

[hazy steeple]

Yeah, this is the official discord, so I was a tad confused :p
The other one is the fan-run one.

No harm done, so long as the info is right

[wheat current]

also those builds are 100% more better in the dz no one could kill me lol level 800's to 6k it was alot of fun lol though my dz's these days are 99% empty

[hard turret]

Thank you

[rocky rain]

Is Memento in the loot pool of the seasonal assignments?

I want one for lv 31/32

(NY runs for resources)

[hazy steeple]

The Priority Objectives Exotic loot pool is the same as your Exotic Caches, so: yes.

[warped vale]

anyone got a build for pve oroboros?

[hazy steeple]

Hunters Fury setup works, as it's an SMG.

There's a link in the 📌 pinned-message of this channel > spreadsheet 2 > builds.

@rocky rain As the Exotic Caches are 100% random, it can take a while.

[rocky rain]

Thanks, didn’t know what you meant with ‘cursed’. I wanted to build something w/o memento for once. The chest does give +20% on pulsed enemies, but you think there are better options? Downside with Vigilance is that it’s only active when you have no damage. I rarely have that. But I’ll give your suggestions a try. Thanks.

[hazy steeple]

Cursed seems to basically mean "bad", but in this case think of it as more "sub optimal".
New young people slang is weird.

[rocky rain]

Thanks @hazy steeple

[midnight drum]

Thx man

[rich lotus]

Hi I do my own builds that I think will work for me, I used it in a group this morning on heroic with 4 directives and let's say I held my own, I'm not here to brag or be told what to do or do that to it, I'm here just to show case my build thanks Helen

Chest piece and back pack have obliterate and unstoppable force and gloves are contractors gloves.

[subtle bluff]

That one way the other way is pretty good 1.4 mill ticks pesti is nuts

[wheat current]

i guess you dont know how to read lol but yes 3 pc lengmo is good

just saying he didnt want suggestions lol

[rich lotus]

@wheat current i know 3 piece Legmo is one of the meta but i built this from what i had and improved it. It works for me and thanks for the suggestions I haven’t been fortunate enough to get the right rolls on legmo. I also have a tendency to run all reds on most of my builds too I like to live dangerously x

I’m also a she not a he 😂

[wheat current]

just telling him you didnt come here for suggestions like you said in your post's xD!! so hey people get offended either or too many pronouns to keep track of so i just say he on a basis now

facepalm imma stop talking to you now lol

[rich lotus]

Thanks @wheat current no problem at all x

@noble anvil no problem at all thanks for your suggestion but I like my build, have a nice day 🫡

[wheat current]

nopers just said in her post she didnt want suggestions she wanted to show case there is a difference lol FacePalms definitely with shaking my head

[hexed steppe]

text wall incoming
the nice thing about heartbreaker and vigilance, heartbreaker bonus armor can prevent vigilance going down. vigilance buff only drops when there is a chunk of white armor damaged. shield also prevents this, damage to a shield wont drop vigilance damage buff. another bag talent option would be unstoppable force which is based on kills to drive up the total weapon damage.

spotter is pretty good, but hb chest allows for double the stacks. spotter would be stronger if not able to fully stack the HB talent since since spotter is always . spotter does also pull double duty amping skill and weapon damage. either route is a solid option.

memento mention could also alleviate a few downsides while boosting damage output. its not stronger than vigilance, but it does cover some of the losses by removing ninja. your armor on kill/1% regen would be gone, but at the same time you would gain a flat 3% regen and bonus armor on kill. using a shield would also benefit a lot from memento. just like ninja, youll gain 2 skilltiers from mem, but in addition youll also be able to stack 30% skill health which is like 30% shield health. memento is all about Skill Buckets™️ , skill efficiency is basically % in all skill attributes. once stacked memento also only needs 1 trophy pickup every 5 minutes to maintain full long buff. you can also prevent it losing its stacks if you only fast travel to control points, friendly resource convoys, or missions.

[shy willow]

HB bag not worth

[hexed steppe]

Vigilance bag or memento

[cerulean smelt]

I thought there was an update where they made it that shield gets damaged it'd make vigilance go poof?

Ah, NM looks like it was kind of a bug that cropped up then they fixed it?

[prime elbow]

What's the 3rd attribute that goes into LMGs? They already have dtooc

[red island]

dta is fine

[hazy steeple]

@prime elbow CHC (crit chance) is really nice, especially on gear-set builds.

fire-rate used to be important, but with the buffs it's less-so now.
DtA (damage to armour) is definitely a good alternative to chc.

[hexed steppe]

I put chc for the few I run. Rof still a direct dps increase regardless of the target tho, afaik

[twilit kestrel]

Can anyone help me get a good dps or skill build?

[hexed steppe]

Help you decide on a couple

[hexed steppe]

Striker and negotiators dilemma both solid dps.

Hunters fury, umbra, and heartbreaker all solid dps with a built in healing/bonus armor mechanic.

Skill builds you generally want highend pieces like 3 empress/2 hanna/1 wyvern
But eclipse protocol fire build and hardwire cluster spam builds both perform well.

Hit the pinned spreadsheet. There are detailed build guides linked within.
2 strongest to start with are striker for dps,
And eclipse protocol fire for a skill/status damage setup

[twilit kestrel]

Thank you do you know the best way to get them ?

[red island]

countdown

[twilit kestrel]

Thank you

[hexed steppe]

In case not aware, you can select your prefered target loot in countdown (summit as well).
Goto map > hover over summit> and you'll get a tip on the bottom for what button opens target loot. That target is shared for both summit and countdown and can be changed anytime, Even mid mission

[azure plank]

Is these two gone from the game?

[onyx sage]

no, you can still get them

[azure plank]

But too rare right?

[wild lily]

Capacitor at least should still be there from doing challenges in the Summit

[azure plank]

Like it's missing from crafting area

[onyx sage]

no, capacitor is guaranteed after doing 5 challenges in summit

memento is just from farming targeted loot

[red island]

you need to drop it before having bp

[azure plank]

nah like I thought what I don't have it'll show as locked

[solar berry]

When you obtain it, it can be bought from that one vendor in BOO

[wild lily]

Talk to inaya, she may have blueprints to sell

[solar berry]

^

[azure plank]

Thank you for the help

Also I found UIC15 is a pretty good rifle not a great but good and I like it. #td2-build-advice message Here is what kind of build I found from here

Is this gonna work with Drone and turret?

[hard turret]

Hi, is the document in the google spreadsheet good for the best determined sniper build currently, or should I reference a separate source?

[onyx sage]

it's never changed so yes

[hard turret]

Okay thanks

[hollow relic]

Hey everyone. I'm back to the game but I'm still noob. Could you help me someone please for a good build for PvP? I'm solo most of time and i want something good if you can help me. Thank you

[red island]

check pinned message for the build spreadsheet

[hollow relic]

Thank you i will check it now

Even on pc file lag so much

[azure plank]

5 challenges mean like 5 floor?

[onyx sage]

no, open the map in summit and you'll see a challenges tab

[azure plank]

Or this?

[onyx sage]

yes that one

[red island]

you have too select them to complete them, then select another, etc

[willow garnet]

any advice for shd 170. any meta build for skill usage and survivability?

[patent fossil]

Check the pinned spreadsheet, lots of good build guides in there.
Recommend striker as a jack of all trades dps build, hotshot (sniper setups link) for easy farming on heroic with all directives, and maybe a drone turret skill build for when you're feeling lazy

[willow garnet]

opened spreadsheet. and melted.. 😦

[hollow relic]

So you recommend this build for PvP guys?

[red island]

its difficult to get but yes

[hollow relic]

I can't get backpack matador 😦 only on dz?

[red island]

named caches too

[hollow relic]

I have contractors and fox and catharsis

[willow garnet]

Set items are not good anymore as i understand? nerfed?

green ones.

[red island]

they are still fine

and there are lot of them, some good some bad

[willow garnet]

i am lost. anyone can help me with build so i can solo Challenger? getting loot but can't understand what to do with it. what to search. exotic farm is impossible. playing for 20 Hours, did not get one exotic. (any at all)

[red island]

just do challenging countdown to farm, stay with the team and it will be fine

check the builds in pinned message

[willow garnet]

in pinned message is Spreadsheet. did not understand anything at all...

[patent fossil]

So, on the build tab, there's a list of build names, sorted by type (red/yellow/blue/hybrids). To the right of each build name is a link, usually Evernote. Click that link to get the actual guide.

[willow garnet]

any S tier build or something. i don't need god tier. just be able to kill yellow enemies in challenging. can't kill them at all. and they one shot me

[red island]

play striker imo

its really good and really easy to obtain and really easy to play

[rocky rain]

Impressive! Thank you very much. I’ll make some combinations and see which ones I prefer. The HB chest/Vigilance I’ll try for sure.
Thanks gain!

[willow garnet]

any meta buid advice? without farming for days.

[hexed steppe]

No, just farming for days

Meta advice would be to follow the guides. There are usually a couple ways to setup different builds

[willow garnet]

ok. any build advice for able to solo Challenging difficulty comfortably? tank and DPS.?

[hexed steppe]

Dps, and challenging can be solo with pretty much anything. Go striker to start and work around from there

Fire eclipse would also rip through challenging if you wanted to try out a status build

[honest moss]

If you are looking for a skill build, refactor is new and can be played/built in a way to help you tank a bit more too.

Easy farming method is challenging countdown, set your targeted loot and most of the time you get carried anyway. Just follow everyone else and stay with the big group

[red island]

i told u what build to get

just get a striker build

its easy to farm, easy to play, and strong

[willow garnet]

will i be able to survive ?

[red island]

yes, you just need to play right with cover

[willow garnet]

even in cover i die. when yellow enemies comes...

[red island]

if you peek you will be shot, you have to find the right place to be to not get shot

or change position

you just need to learn how to play vs enemies that deal damage

[stiff bronze]

What mean chc and chd in te spreadsheet? Sorry im italian hahaha

[hexed steppe]

Striker is survivability through superior damage.
Dead npcs dont shoot back. Striker is used a lot in legendary so if it's not making it through challenging then it's not a build issue

[hexed steppe]

Critical hit chance, critical hit damage

[stiff bronze]

Thank u

[willow garnet]

any build advice for unlimited Seeker mine?

[bright raptor]

the link they sent you has a build for that too

[willow garnet]

What is the build name. there is nothing for seeker mine

[bright raptor]

Hard Wired

if you actually looked at the tab instead of making excuses you would know

[stiff bronze]

What mean DtOOC?

[bright raptor]

Damage to out of cover - so if the enemy isn't hiding behind something or popped out of something, they take more damage

[willow garnet]

the one in spreadsheet is for against razorback.

[stiff bronze]

Yes yes i know but i cant understand some abbreviations, im italian

[bright raptor]

Yes, unfortunately the spreadsheet is primarily designed with the English user interface/game descriptions in mind

[waxen sage]

i don't really understand why dtooc is so valuable, but i run it anyways because people know more than me lol

just enemies are in cover 95% of the time so why does every weapon want dtooc on it anyways !?

[bright raptor]

1. it boosts your total damage so it does not suffer diminishing returns as the additive weapon damage from core attributes, weapon rolls and brandset/gearset bonuses do

2. if an enemy takes enough damage in one burst they get staggered out of cover anyway

[solar sable]

at the end of the message I've written the abbreviations and their meanings
#ask-td2-community message

[waxen sage]

thank you that actually makes a lot of sense 🫡

[bright raptor]

3. Enemies always come into play exposed and run into cover, if you catch them then it's a very good bonus to have

[stiff bronze]

Ah thank u

[rich lotus]

Confused on 1. Are you saying that core attributes, weapon perks, and gear bonuses all go into the same bucket?

What if I have DTTOC on my weapon and have Fox’s Prayers?

The DTTOC is still additive no?

It does suffer from diminishing returns, except in a lot of cases there is nothing better to run. It hurts the build in cases where you give up CHC/CHD to run Fox’s

[junior surge]

Yes dttooc is still additive to each other. All sources of dttooc get added into the same multiplier, just like wd, twd, or dta (who are all additive to itself).

[rich lotus]

🙂 thank you sir

[magic pilot]

It functions the same as chd but we have significantly lower amounts of that dmg source

Making it more valuable, same reason PGC is still technically a higher amp than OD chest

[rich lotus]

OD chest enjoyers smh

[junior surge]

Dttooc is good beceause there are few sources, and most of the targets are out of cover. Most high health targets like chungas, dogs, or marauders don't even go into cover. And as you are getting more experienced at the missions, you'll position more agressively and catch most enemies before they make their way to cover.

[onyx sage]

whaet already knows all this btw

[rich lotus]

No let him cook

[onyx sage]

this guy

[junior surge]

But brandy asked originally

[waxen sage]

and i am certainly not complaining about the rundown

[onyx sage]

that's fair

[magic pilot]

I was explaining it for the other guy

Whaet no one cares about

[onyx sage]

same

[magic pilot]

You are the average players favorite player sir

[onyx sage]

you are the average player*, FTFY

[rich lotus]

Get a room

[sudden maple]

Hi guys it's me again. Plying solo made me to witness something that i don't just need a gear that stack only the amour, but I need a gear that has a core attribute of armor as well.

I've been doing some farming in samit but the only thing I've noticed with the gear I'm using (sticker) it doesn't have that core tribute I'm looking for/ Mybe I'm not in the level where I can use that kind of an armor?.

Please adive if I'm wrong. Mybe I'm not farming enough 🤦I don't know.

[onyx sage]

striker only drops with weapon damage as core attribute

[hazy steeple]

Note: you can change it, but that does mean you won't be able to change the attribute slot.

[sudden maple]

OK it's wat I've noted, just wanted to be sure thanks. And attributes it can drop anything right e.g armor regain etc?

[hazy steeple]

Yes, however: since its base core is "red", it has a higher chance to drop with red attributes.

Same goes if it had Armour or a Skill Tier.

Just run a few Challenging Countdowns, you'll get bunch of pieces.

[lavish flare]

Oh man i gotta say farming 4 umbra pieces with armour on them was the hardest thing i ever had to do

[rich lotus]

yeah now go farm a brandset piece that has the 2 minor rolls + talent you want

people nowadays won’t understand the yellow golan bag with creeping death grind 😭

It looks so sexy

[lavish flare]

Mhm

Farmed a set of umbra with red main cores and now blue bruh

[rich lotus]

🥹

[lavish flare]

bighorn

but not headshot

coyote n fenris

mfs run like hell in dz, and im tired of running foam

Foam is the most boring piece of garbage ive ever forced myself to run

[rich lotus]

They should revert status effect nerfs 😈

and make shrapnel trap broken again

[versed bluff]

someone please help me?

[fair dragon]

With?

[full tulip]

I'm considering building a solo and group PVP build, does anyone have any suggestions?
I want a balance of armor and damage

Something that will shred the hell out of agents but also help me stay alive to hunt

Alr bet

Yeah cause I absolutely love to hunt rogue agents so that's what I'm trynna build, I've been seeing a few YouTube videos but idk which one will be most worth it

[cerulean smelt]

I'd assume it's this #td2-general-chat message

[fresh fox]

2pc golan + emperors guard is best imo

most armor regen

the armor% is lame!!!!!!!!!!!

[raw sigil]

hello can someone explain like im 5 about the strega talent also do kills from allies count or does it have to be you?

[hollow relic]

Good morning everyone. I tried found Matador from named boxes but was impossible. Any idea?

[solar sable]

It's possible to get any named item in named caches, including DZ exclusives

[hollow relic]

Yeah last night nothing there

[solar sable]

it's a big loot pool, reaaaally big pool

[hollow relic]

I will try again today. I hope to be lucky

[rich lotus]

What would be a good secondary weapon for this any opinions?

[glad heart]

ACS-12, Rock n' Roll (named ACS-12)

[solar sable]

change your Elmo's (if you can) third attribute to DTOC

[subtle bluff]

Left w/ROF, ACS12 Brazen, SMG9 or Vector.
Change your chest Talent to Obliterate or Glass Cannon.

[hazy steeple]

an SMG as a stacking option for Strikers?

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no.
I use an SMG as a secondary because an SMG burst DPS is far more potent than any AR. This is mainly when things get closer or you at a spawn.
It is for everyone, no. It's a playstyle I use it for solo and/or team for Leggo missions.

[solar sable]

let's be real you're not always swapping to your shotty

[red island]

idk about secondary, but you def need another talent for that chest

[hazy steeple]

Ideally, if you can't keep up your stacks for Striker, you should probably use a different build.

[solar sable]

I don't even focus on gaining stacks, I just go brrrr

[hazy steeple]

I mean, use what you like and all that, but don't expect a godtiershootkillmurderdps setup if you do fail to keep them up.

[subtle bluff]

After 20 stacks of Strikers, it does more than most HE builds. You shouldn't always focus on building stacks. It is a nice to have if you can't just shoot. Again me and many other do use SMG as a 2nd on leggo mission either on solo or teamplay.

Did I not give an option? But also, all the options I gave are better than the current setup.

neverhadtheyhadto

[hazy steeple]

I have no idea what that means, but sure whatever.

[red island]

i wish we had a number indicating the stacks

instead of the little meter

[subtle bluff]

My first post was keeping it simple.

[hazy steeple]

I never compared it to a HE setup, but as I said: sure whatever. Fill your boots.

[rich lotus]

I will work on it today

[hazy steeple]

Obliterate is a good meta choice, it's hard to go past just more DPS.

[subtle bluff]

Didn't say you did. Just giving an example of one that didn't need stacks and why strikers is still good.
Why should someone switch a build if they can't build stacks of the bat?

[hazy steeple]

........

[hazy steeple]

.

The majority of people that come here to ask about a Striker setup know one thing about it: everyone says it's super OP.

[subtle bluff]

And again I gave multiple weapons choices and never said one was better than the other.

[hazy steeple]

I never said that you can't use any of them.

[subtle bluff]

Yup your going back to it

[azure plank]

What will be best alternative for the mask? I have everything except the mask. And Can I use drone and turret with this?

[subtle bluff]

Grupo.
You could use them, but they're not that strong when you're at Skill Tier 0. I can't recommend using both.

Here's the build:

[azure plank]

So I need something to put in skill tier 1?

Damn there is something missing from each build

[red island]

if you're on a red build, dont use skill tier

the goal is to dps with guns not skills

[grim summit]

Would you guys say, rifle build is good? I have no idea which set i should play.

[red island]

depends, but i think overall high end build is better for rifles

or nego diamondback if you like doing muilti target damage

[grim summit]

So full rifle build with full chance of crit and crit dmg is not good?

[red island]

depends on the build

tbh you'd be better off just copying the build from the spreadsheet

on pinned message

[subtle bluff]

OD rifles

[patent fossil]

This works well on lower difficulty stuff (ie solo scaling up to heroic), there's probably a better configuration though since ninjabag is generally a bad idea. Basically lets you one-shot almost everything, crazy fast reload and accuracy.

[lyric prism]

why wicked

I see why, nvm. yea, its a good choice.

[subtle bluff]

There are higher DMG choices wicked is just easy.

[lyric prism]

what two semi auto rifles? why not an 1886 or a Diamondback?

[subtle bluff]

You want a HE Rifle so you can use Sadist Talent on it. You can use whatever you really want really. I just like OD with things that have a high Mag Dmg it just ensures more that you’ll keep your HP rounds up.

For Crit type build 1886 can be a bit slow. M1 give the best of both worlds.

[rich lotus]

Gunner on Rifle builds 🤢

I forget if Aces is good now

Focus + Aces 😻

[lyric prism]

I ran a OD setup w/ a 716 CQB after going through a couple rifles. fire rate/sound/handling feel did it for me. I see where you are coming from.

and yes Sadist.

[subtle bluff]

SIG 716 is the higher burst of all them. There is a pretty big difference on reload speed.

[rich lotus]

😃

[subtle bluff]

“Good” You trying to be context creator?

[rich lotus]

Mmmm

What wrong w aces lol

Like that’s why I said I forget

Remember I haven’t had the game installed for months 😃

[subtle bluff]

Fair

[hollow relic]

Hey. Do you know where to farm Chil out mask?

[hazy steeple]

It's only available around the xmas period, from an NPC known as the "loot goblin" (guy with a backpack that runs away from you, climbs in and out of the sewers).

[hollow relic]

Oh no hope to get it 😦

[subtle bluff]

I’ve seen drop off some other stuff recently named boss out of leggo I think. Also the incursion chest.

[hazy steeple]

That's either an unintended or unannounced change.

Likely the former, considering the history of that Incursion crate.

[hollow relic]

I did only once and i got carried 😅

[subtle bluff]

Otherwise Red Star vendor for Legacy caches.

[patent fossil]

I can't imagine Chill Out dropping from legacy caches, it was never a seasonal item, it's a holiday-exclusive one. The times the loot goblin starts dropping them has expanded with a summer and halloween event last year, so maybe even this April Fool's one we've got coming up might make it availale again.

[lyric prism]

loot goblin spawns in certain spots I find about every 20 minutes. I usually find him by going to the gate for DZ South and going north.

the loot will vary though. I did get a chill out mask yesterday but I killed him like 10 times throughout the day.

[hazy steeple]

As I said: unintended or unannounced change. They are 100% not supposed to normally drop the xmas items.

the MMR/Mask/backpack/smg, etc.

[lyric prism]

Yea. Loot goblin was definitely usable when Harvest and Prophet started dropping for the proficiency.

[hollow relic]

Out of dz still i can?

[solar sable]

outside JTC

[hollow relic]

Jtc?

My English bad

[solar sable]

Jefferson Trade Center

[hollow relic]

So i can try again or only on periods?

[lyric prism]

the gate entrance to DZ south, you can fast travel, not the door entrance right next to it on the map. I go to that gate and go north in the cars. For me, I find the loot goblin there. Some find him by JTC as well.

there are many spawn points.

[hollow relic]

So no need periods?

[lyric prism]

in certain time periods, yes.

not all the time.

[hollow relic]

Oh so i can't get it now

[lyric prism]

you can kill the goblin yes, the loot can vary on what will drop also the season event going on in game.

keep killing the goblin until you get what you want.

[solar sable]

except chill out and any other xmas exclusive

[hazy steeple]

I believe they're asking if there's a cooldown for the Goblin to spawn, or if you have to do anything unique in between attempts.

[solar sable]

I guess log in and out when you kill him after any of the spots

[lyric prism]

if you mean a wait period, wait 20-30 minutes between attempts if you try the same spawn point for the loot goblin.

[hollow relic]

So no need Christmas?

[patent fossil]

this isn't true of the loot goblin, you can just log in and out straight away for another chance at a spawn. Snitch has 30m cooldown though (like open world named enemies)

[lyric prism]

I got the chill out mask yesterday but the drop chance is much higher during Christmas season.

[hollow relic]

Nice I will try all time then haha

[patent fossil]

it's not supposed to be dropping at all right now as of the last couple of weeks, if this definitely happened then it's an anomaly

[lyric prism]

I killed him more than 10 times yesterday, I played for several hours do be aware you might have to kill him a lot.

[lyric prism]

probably super low but it happened. previous to this month it was near every kill. I suspect the new update changed the weights on drop chance which it should somehow.

every time I finish something, mission, whatever, that takes 20'ish minutes, I go there to DZ South. 8/10 times he spawns, so yes the drop chance is probably low right now.

[patent fossil]

How it normally works is: during the 'seasonal event' times, the goblin is guaranteed to drop at least one of the seasonal event items (including chill out) on every kill. Outside of those times, he will not drop any of them ever.

So we don't expect a low drop chance, we expect a zero drop chance at the moment.

[lyric prism]

makes sense.

[azure plank]

Finally after a long long journey got this mask

[solar sable]

how it feels to have a mint in your mouth with a mask:

[azure plank]

tried so much to decode your message but my low level of knowledge failed

Sorry can you explain

[solar sable]

my bad
the look of coyote's gives vibes of having a mint pill when trying to breathe with a mask → 😷

[azure plank]

Oh now got it, Yes yes

[solar sable]

"me eyes burn"

[azure plank]

chew something else man use bandana

Now have to find ninja bag

and capacitor after completing 5 challenges in summit

completed 3 have to do 2 more but it's too hard

how to kill hostiles with granede?

[solar sable]

set it to normal or hard > foam chem launcher > grenade

[azure plank]

Modern problem require modern solution

[solar sable]

that's how i did it because I was about to quit

[azure plank]

I saw a guy farming XP from bounties

[last notch]

Riot foam

[azure plank]

his ammo was auto refilling with time

also, his bounties was coming auto.

Is this because of striker build?

See

Do I need that special machine gun?

I didn't complete actually, i use arrow

[solar sable]

it's the Gunner spec, the ammo pouch perk to be precise

[azure plank]

Oh I don't have that machine gun

[azure plank]

So If I complete this I can get auto bounties option?

[solar sable]

if you unlock the ammo pouch that's in there

[azure plank]

I don't see any ammo pouch here, have 7.62 minigun ammo

[junior surge]

Bottom left

[azure plank]

Oh, large pouch thanks

[manic lantern]

What is overall best to use with ninjabag out of these two. Contractor gloves or fox kneepads?

[solar sable]

not using nbb is the best choice you can think of
you lose a DMG talent on your backpack

[manic lantern]

I feel like i can survive without heartbreaker backpack

my idea was nbb+picaro holster+3 piece hearbreaker, which leaves me to 1 empty slot, the only good ideas that came to my mind was these two items.

[winter moth]

Hello guys, i have a question... When to prioritize Critical hit damage and when Critical hit chance?

[solar sable]

50-60% CHC/110-120+CHD if possible

[winter moth]

So, once I have 60% CHC, then i should go for CHD?

[solar sable]

if you're close to 60% CHC without sacrificing too much CHD then you're good

55% is optimal

[onyx sage]

he has golden bullet, a global event, and it's already passed

[solar sable]

the average player isn't supposed to know that

[onyx sage]

well you never needed heartbreaker backpack anyway

use a ceska backpack with vigilance and coyote's mask

the average player has the power of the YouTube hive mind

[worn charm]

he is asking what is better to use

[onyx sage]

i know that, yes

i'm saying you use neither

[worn charm]

well he was thinking of using heartbreaker but don't wanna go for headshot build and he have playstayle that like to trade shots with enemy when need to and using shild going closer basically using the offense with deffence tactic, which means vigilance it is kinda no for him since he will get shot at

[onyx sage]

shield protects vigilance, so does bonus armor

even then using ninjabike is just a big loss

[bright raptor]

you don't need headshots if you use the Technician pulse laser, and Ninjabike definitely does not do that either

[pastel basin]

Can someone share a striker build with st elmos that does the most damage, pure red everything?

[solar sable]

4pc Striker's, Coyote's, ceska chest w/Obliterate

first CHC then CHD (1/2 ratio if possible)

[waxen sage]

really just follow the standard strikers build you see everywhere but swap out famas 2010 for st elmos

[pastel basin]

So half of the attributes should be cc and the other half cd?

[solar sable]

50-55CHC/110-120+ CHD
ps: CC means Crowd Control.

[manic lantern]

btw. isn`t cayote mask talent wasted if you have too high chc? Or i misunderstanding something?

I have this build and my chc stats are

Wouldnt it be better to use gruppo?

[patent fossil]

it'd be better to swap a CHC mod or stat to CHD

[red island]

depends on your weapon, if its an smg its good cause you only get more chd, if you stay midrange with an ar, stay at 50% chc

[manic lantern]

I mean, i reached that chc with regular fal, that i run around in free roam to level up prof

[patent fossil]

weapon mods can also be adjusted from CHC to CHD

[red island]

if you're using an ar, take off some chc mods

[magic pilot]

Using regular 3 5% chc mods you'd be well under 57.8

You have something rolled chc incorrectly

Do you have chc as third attribute?

[worn charm]

well realisticly speaking youre either in face of the enemy on mid range if you using cayote and and even if you using smg you will suppress fire on more then 25m as well just to get closer and enemy might die before you come there so combat cenario its better to leave 10% crit chance open and rather use more on crit dmg

[red island]

shooting from more than 25m with an smg is like throwing rocks at a tank

[magic pilot]

Not for smg no

Smg+ coyotes you want to be at 60

[red island]

you're either close range, or you move to close range

[magic pilot]

If you are father than 15m you aren't using smg well

[red island]

you get a huge damage falloff

[worn charm]

ive been playing with smg and trust me you don't wanna try to get too close to enemy and even if you wanna go you need to get there some how so suppressing the enemy plus if you have gear wise 50 crit chance when you switch to smg it will automaticly be 60 crit hit chance

so really you don't need cheska brand set for crit if you want more dmg

[red island]

i play smg too, you're not doing damage from that distance

[worn charm]

it is not about damage its about getting closer

[red island]

then if you're closer, you dont need less chc

you need the max for coyote talent

[magic pilot]

This is widely considered the standard way to build for smg

[worn charm]

what you speaking its more theoreticly which in combat scenarios most of the time shit go side ways

[magic pilot]

It's not theoretical I do it all the time

Basically everytime I use an smg

[red island]

shit going sideways is a skill issue, if you need to shoot from more than 30meters with an smg, you're playing smg wrong

switch to ar

[worn charm]

well i still like to put AR on my build and make gear set to hit at least 50 crit chance and then use smg and the crit chance will be auto 60

[red island]

ar dont have the same crit chance

[magic pilot]

Your smg would be significantly over 60% if your AR is at 50% pre coyotes

[worn charm]

exactly

[red island]

if you pull an ar, you wont have 60%chc as a base

so coyote work just fine too

[worn charm]

that is the point

[magic pilot]

Your smg would be at 70% + if AR is 50%

[worn charm]

that what i was saying

[red island]

no, thats our point, your point is the opposite

[worn charm]

you don't need cheska honestly

[red island]

yes, you do

you need 60% smg crit chance

[magic pilot]

You aren't wrong you don't NEED it but it is optimal

[red island]

it will drop at 40/45% ar crit chance

[magic pilot]

Grupo is close in dps but is not midmaxed

[red island]

with coyote you go up to 55 crit chance

so coyote is king here, with 60% chc on smg

[magic pilot]

Using AR/SMG is just a headache as well

For crit balance

[red island]

just use 60% chc on smg and you'll be fine

[versed summit]

It’s doable with coyotes

[magic pilot]

I really rather not lol, messes up the whole loadout if I want to switch

[worn charm]

well im running groupo and honestly i get more damage out of it then cheska no matter if i use smg or ar i only know that when i have AR i get 50CHC while when i switch to SMG i have full 60CHD

and i am not using cheska but groupo

[red island]

you have too much chc if you have 50chc on ar

[magic pilot]

That's just factually not true but go off

[versed summit]

Then you’re building wrong

[red island]

50chc on ar mean at least 70chc on smg which is bad

[worn charm]

it might be wrong but if i do more damage its fine with me

[red island]

you're not doing more damage thats the point of being wrong

[magic pilot]

Ceska is 1000% more dps than grupo, but they are extremely close

[red island]

if you were doing more damage you'd be right

but the maths shows you are wrong here

[versed summit]

Depends if you use CHC mods on your SMG

[red island]

also depends on mods on the ar, im talking as a base

ar dont have innate chc, smg do

unless your build is super bad rolls, its just overkill on chc

[magic pilot]

Also exotic smg or high end is important

Exotic smg all have at least +10% chc iirc

[versed summit]

You can match them up a lot of the time. unless exotic.

[magic pilot]

High end can be pretty close

Still a 6% difference at best

[versed summit]

That’s why you use coyote

[red island]

coyote is just too good on crit build to pass on

no matter the build

[versed summit]

So you’re at 50 with at and 60 with SMG based on range

[manic lantern]

I also noticed that my bullet king has +15% chc, which put me over the top. I mean, that gun makes nasty damage.

[magic pilot]

I think it's roughly
52- AR
58-smg
Pre coyotes

We should test how much of a dps drop that crit spread would be

Compared to just building for AR or SMG

[hexed steppe]

Is this crit chance on ar mods, no crit chance on smg mods?

Only time you would see 6% diff

[magic pilot]

Yea that's what we are discussing now

He was saying he runs smg/AR but builds the smg to hit 50% chc and uses mid coyotes buff

[worn charm]

not smg but AR to hit 50% and if you take smg it will be more of course because smgs are build that way that way coyote buff on mid range for ar doesn't get wasted

[magic pilot]

Ah gotcha

[hexed steppe]

Oic. Yeah I do something similar on my hb build. Flatline lex/darkwinter. I take LLP on both so only adding 2 crit mods on lex, end up running optimal range mods on dw tho

Ceska vig/coyote typical hb setup

[languid phoenix]

what pieces am i looking for if i build into pestilence? besides lmg stuff

[red island]

a basic red dps build with crit

[hexed steppe]

Kinda dont care if i min/max tho. Probably more optimal way to run

[hexed steppe]

Anywhere you can fit in weapon damage, total weapon damage, and amps will do well with pesti. I been using on ongoing directive and it doe well. You will need a skill like gunner pulse to proc od since pesti is a debuff, but it does good damage

[magic pilot]

Striker still best build for pesti, high end has better tick dmg though

[manic lantern]

Honestly as much as I love pesti, I feel like bullet king is way better on striker, while iron lung feels jsut right on ongoing directive

[subtle bluff]

HE pesti is sooo nice. I love it. It felt even good on DUA leggo.

[violet juniper]

does Pesti work with Nego?

[violet juniper]

3 piece lengmo, contractors, coyote, and a walker piece is what I use

[languid phoenix]

do you run lmg as main weapon or secondary? and what is good with it? shotgun maybe for the close range?

ive never used lmg's ever lol

[onyx sage]

as in whether tick works with nego? no

[magic pilot]

Depends on what lmg

[languid phoenix]

just pesti

[magic pilot]

Pesti I only use pesti

You lose plague if you swap

[violet juniper]

the build I just laid out is purely LMG lol

personally, I use Frenzy GR9

[magic pilot]

I use the same build but coyotes mask

[violet juniper]

I said Coyotes

[magic pilot]

Oh my bad, I have Fox

[violet juniper]

You can swap the walker piece for fox's honestly

Could even go eagles grasp if you don't mind sacrificing a bit of a damage for a boost to mag size and handling

[magic pilot]

The crit ratio is fine with fox

[magic pilot]

Ehhh, just go 2 piece petrov

What's the brand? lol

[violet juniper]

Petrov lol

[magic pilot]

I was blanking so hard

[violet juniper]

DW I forget names all the time

[magic pilot]

I usually don't but I was on vaca for a week 1/2

[violet juniper]

Atm I'm trying to make virtuoso not mid

I haven't tested this yet, so I have no clue if it'll work or not

I'm doing this purely for the +80% rifle damage on close up kills, combined with diamondback

[subtle bluff]

It doesn't, but if you think about if you're killing things has they tick it just spreads fast in a sense. It works kind together but not really at the same time.

[subtle bluff]

a lot of effort to make it not mid. It was easier to run last season because of the modifier telling us what range we're in.

[raw sequoia]

I have an idea for a bleed smg build using Ongoing directive with the gunner spec, I'm just not sure what talent to go for on my weapon. I can very easily go with The grudge for "Perfect Vindictive" or I can just go for Sadist. It's either Crit or just more damage overall

[magic pilot]

Sadist

Also there is a OD build pinned in the google sheet

Good template

Sadist is a huge dmg amp

[subtle bluff]

The Grudge isn't worth using normally now. It got a pretty big nerf to it's stats. OD use a bit better imo when weapon has a better mag dmg to ensure the oD ammo stays active.

[raw sequoia]

I was mostly looking for a run and gun kinda build.

[shy basalt]

unfortunately reality isn't that interesting

you probably want a 4R3B strikers with memento and elmo+SMG or something

if you're just looking for farm heroics without using cover

[raw sequoia]

Is there anything that will increase movement speed?

[hexed steppe]

global modifier can affect movement speed, cant run it with the ge tho

[red island]

lady death increase movement speed on kill, but aside from that no gear does that afaik

[raw sequoia]

Damn

[violet juniper]

Sadist would be better

[violet juniper]

Acosta kneepads does

[violet juniper]

Lady Death, Acosta Kneepads, and the global modifiers from this season affect movement speed

[red island]

oh yeah, the exotic nobody uses

[violet juniper]

but, Acosta kneepads cap at 20%

you can't stack them all and become super speedy, I tried

[red island]

well that just fkin suck

[violet juniper]

It really does

[subtle bluff]

Once you get to heroic content you can't really do crazy run and gun easily.
HH HF would be the only one that can do it but that's playstyle things you'd really have to get use to.

[prime elbow]

Is this good or should I change it?

[red island]

not incredible, not awful, i'd stick with elmo

[prime elbow]

what should go on the 3rd attribute?

[red island]

on elmo ? dttooc

[prime elbow]

I'm talking about the pestilence on itself

[red island]

dta is good

[prime elbow]

got 8%, dont have the mats rn for the tinkering

[red island]

its fine for now dont worry about optimizing for now

[prime elbow]

not even bothering with it, just hunting for a DW, so damn hard to get one

[red island]

dark winter ?

[prime elbow]

yep