td2-build-advice

[shy willow]

Does tips even see any use at all now

[rich lotus]

Yeah sitting in my inventory, favorited so I can quick hot swap to it to get 2 spec ammo

[bright raptor]

pretty much, it only is there to solve the "we need someone to swap spec weapons" before the final boss on Dark Hours now

[subtle bluff]

imamgood likes using it on courtyard once awhile...

[shy willow]

ripp

[rich lotus]

yeah still used in DH speedruns but that’s likely it

[rich lotus]

Yeah he copied that shit from me, he’s a follower

Smh

[subtle bluff]

I know

[shy willow]

it and tp are the only sets I dont have pieces for because cba

[subtle bluff]

only one to still use it

someone last night was trying to tell me how we use TP vs FI on bosses incursion...

.....................

[rich lotus]

Yeah but all the cool kids use Nem now on courtyard

Lol

[shy willow]

I actually came across a leader on an incursion once running yellow tp

it was like a fever dream

[rich lotus]

💀

[shy willow]

literally just the fi setup but with tp pieces

[magic pilot]

wtf

[subtle bluff]

I'm turning him

[pure estuary]

can u guys recommend what gun I should use for hotshot? idw to use nemesis cus I heard its overkill for general purpose content

[rich lotus]

white death with determined sweetie

[subtle bluff]

sr1 m700 white death

[pure estuary]

okay thanks alot

[red island]

not white death, too long to reload

[rich lotus]

exotic mmr = trash and require skill

why are you reloading on a hotshot build

[red island]

cause you dont use 4pc hotshot

[pure estuary]

why isn't sweetie recommended on the spreadsheet?

[red island]

hotshot 3pc is enough, hh chest, vigilance bp, and the kneepad with dttooc

[shy willow]

but muh mantis😔

[subtle bluff]

And we don't need to do that much damage if you're running just heroic

[shy willow]

4 pc is way more qol

[rich lotus]

yes bro more ddtoc is better than the entire gearset bonus

[onyx sage]

white death is just fine with it

[subtle bluff]

Yes you'll do good dmg without but hotshot gear talent is actually pretty good.

[edgy plank]

where the heck do i get white death!

i been trying

[red island]

unironically yes

[onyx sage]

mmr targeted loot

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no. Depends imo.

[rich lotus]

There is nothing ironic about it

[shy willow]

free reloads, bonus armour is pretty sweet

[rich lotus]

If you are a casual player you are benefiting more from the gearset than the useless DTTOC that you already have on your weapon

[shy willow]

isnt the headshot buff for hotshot an amp too

[subtle bluff]

and more HSD

[red island]

i mean just play m700 or sr1 and the reload is just so fast

"useless dttooc" 💀

[rich lotus]

Yeah is the Dttoc making up for the base dmg

[red island]

the most broken stat on every build

[rich lotus]

Yes bro you understand the game!

It’s so broken!

[shy willow]

the dttooc from foxes is additive to your guns dttooc

[worn mango]

Just use two piece and Ninja 4hed

[subtle bluff]

Yes if you don't have it already.

Fox's isn't the BiS when doing Strikers AR even A LOT of ppl things it is.

[shy willow]

sacrilege

[rich lotus]

Just use 1pc hotshot

[worn mango]

Just use Refactor

[rich lotus]

and Dttoc on everything everywhere

since its broken

[worn mango]

Red rolled

[red island]

yeah i wonder why you dont put dttooc on every piece of gear

🤡

[onyx sage]

it's just like dttooc where it only multiplies bullet

[shy willow]

"once everything is dttooc, nothing will be"- Syndrome, probably

[magic pilot]

UPDATED NAMED ITEM DROP LIST

Camp White Oak: Pyromaniac, Mechanical Animal, Kingbreaker.
The Pentagon: New Reliable.
DARPA Research Labs: Lefty.
Roosevelt Island: White Death.
Manning National Zoo: White Death.
Coney Island: Burn Out, Born Great.
Tidal Basin: Dare, Big Show.
Coney Island Ballpark: Tabula Rasa, Carnage.
Bank Headquarters: Cabaret, Grown Great, Swap Chain.
Capitol Hill: Safety Distance, Emeline's Guard, Cold Relations.
Viewpoint Museum: Cuelebre, Tsunami
Disctrict Union Arena: Baker's Dozen, Stage Left.
Space Administration HQ: Ekim's Long Stick, Designated Hitter, Scalpel.
Air & Space Museum: Prophet.
Plaza: Invisible Hand, Glory Daze, Test Subject.
Jefferson Trade Center: Quiet Roar.
Federal Emergency Bunker: Boomstick, Backup Boomstick, The Mop.
American History Museum: Surge, Artist's Tool.
Potomac Event Center: Relic, Commando.
Grand Washington Hotel: Lightning Rod.

DROPS STILL SUBJECT TO RNG.
Limited to regular versions of missions - they do not apply to "invaded" missions.

Idk why this isn't pinned

TL:DR manning zoo for white death

[shy willow]

oh rip

[worn mango]

Ew Manning

[edgy plank]

higher lvl give me better chance? or just run on normal faster?

[magic pilot]

Better rolls on higher difficulty

[edgy plank]

aparentrly i havent run it so LOL

[worn mango]

Better late than never

I'm impartial to using the SR-1. Using White Death right now but it doesn't feel the same

[edgy plank]

im still trying to figure out if its a good idea for a sniper build since my accuracy is terrible.

[worn mango]

Spray and pray baby

[edgy plank]

lol whats that build use 😉

[worn mango]

Rugged gloves, bullet king and lots of cover

[hot yacht]

anybody got any good youtubers or websites that provide a list of good up to date builds??

[red island]

no youtuber will do that, and the spreadsheet on pinned comment is your best bet

[worn mango]

The spreadsheet here or Ikia builds

[subtle bluff]

📌 Pinned Messages

[hot yacht]

ty

[hexed steppe]

QoL matters, use the 4th hotshot... it's not like your top end makes a difference anyways. Either 1shots the same stuff

[boreal ingot]

is diamonback viable in countdown, or it crit damage too low for 8 man activity?

[edgy plank]

i got one liberty one mosquito and no white death LOL +

[hard turret]

How terrible is my build rn loll

[rich lotus]

Exactly, unless you’re minmaxing damage on a Nemesis or Tac there is no point in running the 3pc setup. The majority of the playerbase falls under that category

[urban latch]

I mean.... That's not really a build, that's just some random gear

[rich lotus]

This is heat dont let anyone tell you otherwise

[onyx sage]

i am the average player

[rich lotus]

Especially this Raucey elitist guy…

[onyx sage]

that guy wastes his 7th skill tier in his oxi video

[rich lotus]

Shouldn’t you be in zoo rn. I heard your solo record got BROKEN’d

Get back in there

🫡

[onyx sage]

i'm retired

[rich lotus]

No

If next stream is not solo zoo stream I’m rioting

[onyx sage]

just believe it

[onyx sage]

i was doing solo master bro

zoo is 🚮

[patent fossil]

Check the spreadsheet linked in the pinned messages if you want to take a look at some good build guides.

[magic pilot]

lol

[magic pilot]

Who broke it??

[rich lotus]

Good ol’ FAM.Broken

Bro got bored enough to run zoo 😭

[timber dagger]

Hi is the 586 magnum highest dmg pistol?

[versed summit]

Technically Regulus than Harvest, if Regulus doesn’t work for your use case and Harvest is not available to you? The 686 or 586 magnums are the highest damage.

[timber dagger]

Thanks

[magic pilot]

That's actually surprising

[magic pilot]

Think harvest is still dropping

[versed summit]

Hmm ok

[timber dagger]

Any suggestions to boost dmg?

[versed summit]

that's pretty solid, Coyote's is really the only thing you could do, and maybe striker shield from firewall

[red island]

not really, but i can suggest you some camera that arent as bad as this xd

[versed summit]

you can also switch to striker chest, but IMO even with Ouro it's content dependent if it's better

[red island]

dont use striker chest unless legendaries tbh

npc dont tank that much

[onyx sage]

i use determined

[tulip charm]

You’re determined

[red island]

your heart fills with determination

[trim wedge]

Just run around with a dark zone shotty build with 28 expertise, pve and pvp solved

[onyx sage]

hi plugged in

[floral pewter]

any advice for kneepads for boosting armor? also is it better chameleo or st elmos with this build?

[drowsy parcel]

whats a build where if you see one join your group in legendary, you just go "oh shit this is gonna be easy now"

[red island]

just use fox prayer kneepads instead, 1 armor core wont help
also chameleon is bad

[red island]

none, its legendary, its not supposed to be easy

[drowsy parcel]

alright lol

[patent fossil]

Eclipse foam spreader

[red island]

eclipse does help a lot

but if your dps is bad, it wont matter

[vestal ibex]

Then be the DPS

[red island]

i like going 2 dps 1 cc 1 heal

but your dps has to be good

[patent fossil]

If people are bringing good dps, yeah, but I'm happy to do that myself

[red island]

yeah i can do all, but obviously some roles are more needed

[onyx sage]

i just bring 2 builds

then everyone else carries

[red island]

still better than most players i see

running 6 piece patriot or some sht

[onyx sage]

i run full red so i die in 2 shoots

[red island]

thats why cc build help

[onyx sage]

too lazy

i just like shoot

[red island]

no i mean a cc build with you

to help you dps, thats the goal

or a tank build to take agro

[onyx sage]

i just tell them "let me take care, don't kill"

and we get through

[vestal ibex]

Tanks take agro is gold.

[onyx sage]

the average player has a tank bill

[vestal ibex]

After playing with RU last night I realized something. His build is made to revive people and that's almost all it did.

[red island]

i didnt got a tank build until shd 3500 xd

[vestal ibex]

That's probably the most useful function of a tank build, surviving long enough to revive your team. Problem is you put broken armor on and at a certain point they revive with next to no armor after a while....

[onyx sage]

i only have blue striker and i deleted it

[red island]

not really a tank

[onyx sage]

exactly

that's the closest thing i have to a tank build

[red island]

foundy bulwark or aegis can tank a while

[onyx sage]

everything else is red or yellow

[red island]

aegis can get crazy strong, but it requires a good heal

where foundry doesnt

[vestal ibex]

I have PFE/HAZ pro tanks for the raids and that's about it.

[hexed steppe]

Tank build take aggro?

[vestal ibex]

I mean a blue/yellow hybrid with decoy could do it.

[red island]

moskito is a thing

[vestal ibex]

Mosquito is not very good at pulling agro tbh

[hexed steppe]

Last thing new agents need is a tank build. Check out the pinned spreadsheet. I would start wih determined hotshot then move to striker

[magic pilot]

Eclipse foam

[hexed steppe]

Yeah a thing to be swatted before they get a chance to bite

[magic pilot]

Last area of tidal yea, cause there is no reds or purples lol

[drowsy parcel]

eclipse foam is so good this season too with scanner drone

[hexed steppe]

Solo or group?

[drowsy parcel]

both, you just spread foam and scanner drone sets people on fire constantly if you've unlocked it on the journey

[hexed steppe]

For group it's not worth. Survivalist would give the team a 10% amp on anything that's under status

Solo you can heartbreaker with linked laser and be able to benefit from crit momentum and crit recovery and still burn with coils

Idk what difficulty you're playing at, but I'm guessing you left vile on, and running stuff challenging . It might be enough damage but not on higher difficulty

[drowsy parcel]

i havent left heroic since year 1 but ok

the dmg is fine with vile, cc is great, and capacitor does great gun damage. it doesn't have min-maxed striker clear times but it's a different playstyle and breaks the monotony

[hexed steppe]

I just dont see it performing well. Straight cc with a good team is one thing... but solo, relying on coils and vile is kinda meh. Should go straight fire with ep bag when solo and have NPCs dying. Your cap would actually be able to stretch its legs and be useful in that.

Btw I'm all about interesting, active, kinda outside the norm builds.
Including ep variants, aok skill, mortar.

It's easy to see difficiencies in builds.

[versed summit]

Soviet Union irl

[onyx sage]

but i want to run outside and fight with npcs

determined is fun and i only use determined but i still have to stand still to shoot with snipper

[versed summit]

IMO striker makes more sense for a starter build, as it's more applicable in more content.

[hexed steppe]

You heard him rookie, get on it 👆

[placid latch]

Striker is easier to build

[versed summit]

pieces might be a little harder if you count coyote's, but hitting breakpoints with Hotshot might be harder without maxing it out.

[onyx sage]

can i use determined with stricker?

[vestal ibex]

Either are about the same as a starter, solo heroic they are both overkill even un optimized.

One just requires an understanding of HH and more aim.

[versed summit]

but striker will work for incursion and raids

solo heroic sure tho

[onyx sage]

no i just want a build that only works on challenging

i only play challenging

[versed summit]

is the only reason to take DTH on a shotgun for more damage to chungas in legendary? is there a point in scaling where it's necessary?

[onyx sage]

yes, because dth multiplies hh

when you have no hh stacks it doesn't matter tho

[versed summit]

i love my hhv bill on challenging

[vestal ibex]

Yeah heroic is insane.

[onyx sage]

enough ooc time

i don't play difficult content because i only want to have a good time

[ashen atlas]

why only on challenging?

[ashen atlas]

oh I just read this nvm

[onyx sage]

because it's easy enough for me to feel powerful and hard enough that enemies are tanky

you have to consider that i am an average player

[versed summit]

weekend gamer time 😎

[ashen atlas]

I prefer the challenge but if you enjoy it that way then good for you

[onyx sage]

i have never done hard content

[placid latch]

I have played with my heroic build on challenging. Feeling too easy

[ashen atlas]

👆

I meant to tag you

[gloomy spruce]

Stop stealing my modus operandi

You play master and legendary

[edgy plank]

OK so what im reading normal dps build is
Gear Basics:

• 3 piece Providence
• 1 piece Foxes Knees

Pick two of the following:

• 1 piece Grupo
• 1 piece Ceska
• 1 piece Fenris (if primarily running AR)
• Contractors Gloves
• Coyotes Mask
• Dodge City Holster (paired with Regulus or Magnum/Harvest)

?

[versed summit]

looks like it's ripped out of the guide so yeah, that's High End DPS

[gloomy spruce]

And? What are you wanting to do?

[edgy plank]

i want to farm gear to build a set for normal play. a all around set

[versed summit]

I'd recommend the striker guide, or ig the sniper setups guide

[edgy plank]

i miss too many shots to do the sniper build i wanted to do.

ok

[versed summit]

ah fair

[gloomy spruce]

Striker is easier to assemble.

Significantly easier to create.

[edgy plank]

ok ill pop to that build and see if i can throw it together

[gloomy spruce]

It is the difference between creating a build in days vs weeks.

[onyx sage]

don't use big words on me

[versed summit]

uh

[versed summit]

hotshot?

vs striker's?

[gloomy spruce]

Striker vs Hexotic

Striker - days vs Hexotic - weeks

[gloomy spruce]

Your name is a lie and you are trying to shame normal people

[hazy steeple]

Okay, chill out folks.

[versed summit]

lmao

[gloomy spruce]

We are teasing each other

[hazy steeple]

As this is the build-advice channel and not a PM chat, you can understand the confusion.

Remember: newbs read this channel to get advice.

[vestal ibex]

Minutes vs hours

[gloomy spruce]

The backpack and the chest piece are the fly in that ointment.

Those can take a while.

[versed summit]

depends how perfect you need it

[vestal ibex]

You just don't need much for the hotshot mmr build.

I should really just test what the lower limit is where the breakpoints are still the same.

[gloomy spruce]

The person said that they miss too many shots to do the sniper build

[vestal ibex]

I know, not what I'm even talking about.

[gloomy spruce]

The guide the were following was the one for hexotic.

[vestal ibex]

idk what hexotic is...

[hazy steeple]

What the heck is a Hexotic?

It sounds like it has side-effects and I should consult my doctor.

[versed summit]

high end exotic build

ig

[vestal ibex]

So a high end build?

[versed summit]

I had to look it up lol

not something I've heard a lot

[gloomy spruce]

6 piece brand set build mixed with an exotic

[hazy steeple]

Oh good, another weird name to remember.

[gloomy spruce]

Just think high end brand set with a possible exotic

[hazy steeple]

HE build is what most people refer to them as.
Wait, what Exotic gear are you using on a Hotshot setup?

3pc Hotshot, Chainkiller, Airaldi BP, Fox Knees.
Get to 100% stability and you can blind-fire your White Death into them. It's hilarious.

[gloomy spruce]

The person asking the question was using the guide from the 6 piece high end brand set mixed with an exotic

[edgy plank]

the striker or the ceskta chest?

i found both in my stash!

[gloomy spruce]

Ceska/Grupo Chest and Backpack

[hazy steeple]

If your headshot rate sucks, using high-end vs hotshot is not going to help.
What you need is practice.

[versed summit]

it's high end crit

[gloomy spruce]

If you got the stuff, that works

[edgy plank]

i missing striker gloves and hip

[hazy steeple]

A crit MMR setup, who made it, a div2 youtuber?

[edgy plank]

so i have 3 peice stikers and cheska chest

[hazy steeple]

Strikers needs 4.

[edgy plank]

yea

i have strikers chest...

[versed summit]

a normal crit setup... not an mmr setup

[hazy steeple]

There is a much better way of putting that.

[hazy steeple]

You only need the Strikers chest if you're facing super tanky enemies. Like the Incursion, Countdown Heroic, etc.

Most of the time: Ceska w/oblit will be plenty.

[versed summit]

it got lost in the sauce

[edgy plank]

will farm more striker

[magic pilot]

Hexotic was a div 1 term

[versed summit]

TIL

[edgy plank]

Than you all

[hazy steeple]

Honestly never came across it.

[kindred mango]

It used Skull MC gloves to boost damage by not having a gear set equipped. I don’t remember it being that amazing

[fresh fox]

doesn’t sound like it was especially since classy striker existed

heard about how broken 6k stam classy striker was

kinda crazy

[magic pilot]

It was really good until classified released

[hazy steeple]

There's being a hipster, being a hipster, and then there's this lol.

[magic pilot]

Classified was 1.7 i believe

So pre 1.7 hexotic was pretty common as 4pc gearsets weren't super strong

Back in my day 👴🏻

[versed summit]

ok grandpa, back to updating spreadsheets

[hazy steeple]

That iKia tab isn't gonna update itself.

[magic pilot]

Off I go

[drowsy parcel]

.... what was the div 1 game mode you did on the docks, with the aircraft carrier

LOL

[versed summit]

pier 36 or something?

[kindred mango]

I just remember trying in the DZ for a. Div 1 is just blur now

[tulip charm]

resistence

[drowsy parcel]

Yeaaahhh

[hazy steeple]

The resistance to talking about div2 in this channel.

[magic pilot]

These youngsters don't know how good they have it

Back in my day there was no targeted loot

[drowsy parcel]

big nostalgia hit, playing juiced healer in resistance

[hazy steeple]

101 runs to get Barret's exotic.
I don't wanna hear anything about a 10% drop chance for the Ouro ever again.

[magic pilot]

You had to just grind the shit out of whatever mission you could do the fastest

[drowsy parcel]

l e x i n g t o n

🤮

[magic pilot]

Took me over 60 runs to get Ouro

80+ exotic to reroll it

And I still prefer that over Div 1 style

[hazy steeple]

41 runs less, sounds like a good deal to me.

I can still remember her stupid speech.

hurrdurrbodieshurrdurr

[magic pilot]

Oh hell no, I've had voice audio disabled in div 2 for almost 3 years

I'm not listening to the same thing every time I run paradise lost

[hazy steeple]

Div2 does tell me that there's a friendly CP nearby, after I've just taken one.
But that's Garrus, so I can deal with it.

[kindred mango]

Well ain’t that some… something

[magic pilot]

Since I've played on pc I've never heard a single voice line

And my sanity is improving!

[hazy steeple]

For added challenge, change the audio language.
but builds, uh builds.
Someone give me a Ninja-bag setup that is A) actually useful in fast Heroic, and B) does not involve Strikers in any way, shape, or form.

[fresh fox]

no

[red island]

you're asking too much

[fresh fox]

#standagainstninjabike

[red island]

ninja bike useful ? sure, we can do that, but striker not being the best ? thats where devs draw the line

[hazy steeple]

FMJ will come back at some point, I'm convinced.

[versed summit]

now who's the old person

[hazy steeple]

My digital bones creak, and I am 100% okay with it.

[red island]

anyone born last millenia

[onyx sage]

exodus makes me a ninja more than ninjabike ever will

[thorny kernel]

What kinds of builds would fit best to Firewall, Demolitionist and Technician?

I was thinking of an offensive skill build for Technician at least

[worn mango]

Technician is Tech Tank Heartbreaker, Firewall Headhunters Fury, Demolitionist Mortar

[thorny kernel]

Mortar implies usage of the artillery turret i assume?

[worn mango]

Yeah

[thorny kernel]

Lowkey want to use Merciless/Ruthless with a demolitionist build

Anyway, what gear set should i use with a demolitionist build?

[hazy steeple]

The Spec Trees (demo/technician/sharpshooter, etc) are less about the tree itself, and more about what buffs they give to your build.
e.g. You wouldn't build around the Minigun outside of say, a Global Event (GE).

So for example, a Demo Spec Tree would be used in a setup where you need explosives damage.

[tulip charm]

Pretty sure Merciless/Ruthless proc is Weapon not Explosive iirc

Unless Im dummy

[onyx sage]

no, you're FunPolice-

[tulip charm]

damn

[thorny kernel]

How's this striker build?

[magic pilot]

Fact

[glossy scarab]

i wish this was skill damage instead of status but what a weird piece to have

[versed summit]

Technically works for a foam CC build

But it’s just a looker anyways

[versed summit]

I’d recommend coyotes mask and a Česká obliterate chest

[thorny kernel]

Striker kneepads then i guess

[subtle bluff]

I'm all sorts of lost here.
Ceska is mainly a WD base gear pc because of it's extra CHC but you changed it's core to a skill and kept one that's stats to skills... 🙂‍↔️

[glossy scarab]

yea the whole point is its ridiculous

no use for it

[onyx sage]

keep it

run 2p for the hazpro 🔥

[subtle bluff]

no that's not.

[glossy scarab]

i was gonna say if it was skill damage/crit chance i would maybe have use for it in a crit/skill build

[hexed steppe]

On they other hand if you find grupo like that, you definitely save it

[versed summit]

rather have the skill damage tho

[hexed steppe]

Yeah definitely. But being unicorn you take what you get till the sacrifices stack up and you finally get the perfect drop

[glossy scarab]

wish this was skill damage and either status or haste but i'll take it

oh wait it is skill dmg what am i talking about

[edgy plank]

Think i got one, going to test it now

[edgy plank]

omg everything dies thank you all!

[hazy steeple]

@edgy plank You only need 4 pieces of Striker.

Try working on farming out a Coyotes Exotic Mask to replace that one you have on, you'll also only need about 50-55% Crit chance (CHC) instead of the usual 60%.

[edgy plank]

where do i get the stats so i know how much chc vx chd i have? and ok... ill find a list where coyotes comes from

anything i should use in place for now? for mask?

[hazy steeple]

Targeted Loot: Masks is the best place.
It can also drop from the final boss in the JTC (jefferson trade center), but that's only one chance per run.

In the mean time, well Grupo is never a bad idea. It's crit damage.

[edgy plank]

ok will find mask targetd.. was running for bettter striker atm

ty again

Better to do CP or "other" activites for targetd loot?

[solar sable]

also, it's best if you select TL in Countdown

[edgy plank]

TL?

[solar sable]

short for Targeted Loot

[edgy plank]

AH ok

[hexed steppe]

cold shot > full stacks+pca proc > full stacks+ pca proc+ btsu OC > Build
i think the oc isnt enough gain in damage and using yellow contractors would be a stronger option.

and through the power of a nearly 20 yo pen tablet , yall get to see i write just as bad as i type
-# shoulda been a doctor 🤦‍♂️

[onyx sage]

okay old man

[rancid maple]

Opinions on Bluescreen w Ongoing Directive

[hexed steppe]

whats bluescreen?

[solar sable]

that jumpscare when your computer dies and goes ":)"

[tulip charm]

It works

[edgy plank]

and i got vile BOOO

Grupo is purple?

[hexed steppe]

vile is good, save

[sacred plover]

Someone knows any build for the st elmo's?

[hexed steppe]

striker, nego, umbra, highend - just about any dps

[solar sable]

no

[sacred plover]

with striker and survivability?

and memento bp

[hexed steppe]

survivability through superior damage output

[solar sable]

depends why you need survivability but yeah momento fits

[sacred plover]

any type of pve content, i think legendary

[hexed steppe]

legs i would striker chest and bag... much higher damage output

regular stuff memento is fine. even in groups if you are running a solid build

memento probably fine in leg as well, but you gotta be on top of your shit i think...

thats not me tho, ill stick with guaranteed damage

[sacred plover]

🤔

ill try it

thx

but, all damage in main stat?

[onyx sage]

yes

[hazy steeple]

You don't ever need Purple gear once you reach Lvl 40.
In fact: you should change the difficulty to Challenging, so none will drop from enemies anymore.

[edgy plank]

i dont think i can do challangeing yet... but good to know

[hazy steeple]

It's just a matter of practice, and if all else fails: Challenging Countdown is where 99% of people farm for gear.

You can even pick your own specific TL (targeted loot).

[edgy plank]

well shuger... manby ill tray

[hexed steppe]

well, crit chance rolls till you hit 50-60%chc, then all crit damage rolls and mods

[pure estuary]

guys is 4p hotshot better if my aim sucks? like I can definitely hit headshots and bodyshots most of the time and I can't think of a time where I completely miss other than when I try to clip heads behind cover.

[honest moss]

4piece hotshot is fine, pair it with determined and you are good to go headshots or not. If you don't wanna run determined i suggest ranger. Hotshot bag is probably optional regardless but with determined i wouldn't use it

[pure estuary]

idm running determined. I just wanted a good beginner friendly hotshot setup that is good for general purpose or most content

I saw people say u shld always run 3pc

but they didnt say why maybe its cus the damage increase from the knees is significant

[honest moss]

Oh for sure then, just run 4 hotshot with a determined sniper. So for hotshot the 2/3 piece bonus is just generally really good for sniping. 4 piece is just for the gear set talents ect. With hotshot 4 pieces will give you (in order of kills) armour on kills/bonus armour headshot damage and then refills your mag

[solar sable]

Not always, it's a suggestion/alternative if you don't want or want the 4pc bonus

[pure estuary]

so I can just choose? damn 😅 thats the hardest part

[honest moss]

Imo you should run 4 hotshot (mask, knees, holster, gloves) with a headhunter chest and bag either vigilance or concussion

[pure estuary]

okay thanks. I saw the spreadsheet. im so glad they include images cus usually they dont say what pieces are what

I thought 4p hotshot lets u keep hitting bodyshots?

and it auto reloads right?

[pure estuary]

or is this just determined

I'm guessing I still have to aim for the head no matter what right? or hit it at least once

[solar sable]

hotshot fills the mag if uou don't miss shots
determined is the one that keeps you hitting heads

[solar sable]

just once, twice if they have a helmet

[pure estuary]

okay thanks. i was confused why hotshot is so popular when determined says it only procs once lol

[honest moss]

o7 goodluck!

[honest moss]

So perfect determined procs once then needs to be retriggered but normal determined will chain iirc. Get something like a white death or any MR you prefer as a high end and roll it on. Minor stat is not too important in all honesty.

[pure estuary]

ok thanks alot

[solar sable]

How dare you say the third attribute isn't important??
DTOC will always be king for almost everything

[subtle bluff]

100% wrong. 10% DTooC is 10% damage at the end.

[pure estuary]

guys I see some people using hotshot build and their fire rate is pretty fast. do u guys know what gun it could be?

[tulip charm]

depends on the sniper since they have different rof

[pure estuary]

yeah I mean i think it definitely wasn't a bolt action. unless there are bolt actions that have high rpm?

I was just wondering what good snipers there are for hotshot build without bolt action

[tulip charm]

none of them tbh

[pure estuary]

if it's a bolt action that is firing so frequently and stronger than non bolt actions I don't mind using it

I saw this guy with hotshot firing so fast so I was wondering what gun it was

maybe it was just a rifle?

[tulip charm]

was it a yt vid

Oh was it a 1886?

[pure estuary]

idk. I saw them in game

i couldnt tell if it was a rifle or mmr but their clear was so fast and their fire rate was relatively faster than the bolt actions I know of like mantis and white daeath

[tulip charm]

something like this https://youtu.be/YSLySCNBwKg?si=NqH0YA25h62sdF4Z ?

[pure estuary]

yeah

i didnt see them using a shield tho

[tulip charm]

well its not really needed but it helps keep vigilance up more often

[pure estuary]

I see

maybe it was mantis cus I could see the tracer as well

i didnt see any tracer in the video

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Its just headhunter allowing them to solo everything

[pure estuary]

I see. I guess I just wanted a good balance of fire rate and damage

like I don't need extra damage if I one shot most things

[hexed steppe]

it was probably m700 carbon or sr-1. goth of those are at the top end of damage mmr's. white death and model 700 are the tippy top but dont give you all the mod slots that carbon/sr-1 give. if youre playing with the golden bullet ge youll see agents getting a handling/rof buff when they have the golden bullet.

[umbral island]

Any advice?

[pure estuary]

I see okay thanks

[subtle bluff]

Check out the Pinned Messages.

[blazing ridge]

Is the new exotic glove from y6s3 able to be obtained via exotic cache? I doubt I’ll have time to play long enough to grind the pass but I wanted to recreate rouge golds hunter build

[hoary sail]

no u can't at this current season

[floral pewter]

anyone knows how to grind fox prayer? besides the summit

[patent fossil]

Anywhere that has overlord target loot will have a good chance of dropping them. Countdown is generally the quickest way.

[upper harbor]

Countdown

[tepid trout]

Never grind summit unless for fun

[rain scarab]

Farm locations with Overlord Armaments brand set, OR farm locations with Kneepads gear allocation. Or you can do countdown

[dim meteor]

Can anyone tell me how to get the Electrique blueprints i missed that season and haven't gotten any blueprints from control points in years

[bold leaf]

Reconstructed caches from Descent can reward blueprints, but I'm not sure if that's only named items or if it includes previous season blueprints. Perhaps someone else can confirm

[magic pilot]

Farming kneepads TL is not ideal

[rain scarab]

it is mearly an option

[dim meteor]

Thanks ill give it a shot

[thorny kernel]

Stat screen says my reinforcer chem launcher should have 7 ammo, however it stops generating ammo at 4. Any reason for that?

Nevermind it still generates more but doesn't show the cooldown animation thing

[magic pilot]

So is farming chest to get fox prayer what's your point

[rain scarab]

never said it was a good option. When giving advice, always give all available options so the player can make an informed decision

[magic pilot]

Got it, recommend bad options for farming as well just incase

[onyx sage]

why give them all when most of them aren't relevant?

[red island]

i mean if you want a bad way to farm, any enemy is a drop option so basically do anything and boom, loot

[worn mango]

Tell ya, when Ceska was on the map, I could have made an entire kit just from CP's. But noooo when it's Grupo barely anything drops

[worn mango]

TIL Iron Lung gets hollow point and fire

But I guess fire for Iron Lung isn't a bullet effect in magazine, I just thought you'd only get one or the other

[onyx sage]

yeah it's like ignited causing fire without you actually having fire ammo

[worn mango]

I took inspo from your last video and tried the glass with smoke bombs and glass. I am bad

Also just slapped it on OD cause of expertise lol

[onyx sage]

it's so fun

[worn mango]

It kinda proves to me that even just doing heroic content, if you're in a bad position you will get laced. But smoke bomb get out of jail free card is awesome

[pastel crane]

I'm honestly loving Exodus Gloves with my Striker build

[versed summit]

Yeah my favorite YouTube showcased how good they are in legendary

[onyx sage]

sir

[versed summit]

I’m just a big jeje-tv fan

[gloomy spruce]

There was another guy that I saw running something similar. I forget his name tho. Watching his stream gave me the idea to start using the Exodus Gloves with striker.

I know it wasn't jeje-tv.

The guy was a weirdo who used a SMG-9 with measured. Who does that?

[shy willow]

dean or something or other

[onyx sage]

winchester

[shy willow]

some say his skill is supernatural

[gloomy spruce]

The dean guy? Are you sure? I have heard that he is just an average to mid player. Nothing special.

Who tries to speedrun without using determined?

[median marsh]

Just hit 1000 on watch should I be higher for dz ? And can anyone point me to a good solo build I could start farming the pieces for

[magic pilot]

Checked the pinned google sheet

[median marsh]

I don’t even understand how to read that or what’s goin on in their 🤣

[magic pilot]

https://lite.evernote.com/note/e276d9da-3885-ebd9-5354-35b77ed1c75c

[patent fossil]

If you scroll up a bit in #td2-pvp-discussions you'll see a bunch of pvp builds and discussions

[haughty kernel]

I was checking the guides.
https://lite.evernote.com/note/0d1135cf-139c-394e-53f6-02c1b8b4cea9
i was wondering if the top build would be worth grinding for compared to my current build which is almost done I think? linked above in image
I plan on using it for legendary missions/ maybe the raids.

[red island]

its a good bui, except the drone

[earnest pendant]

whats your chc?

[red island]

a ceska chest would be better tho

[patent fossil]

Ceska better than fenris I'd say, but otherwise decent

[haughty kernel]

1090

[red island]

thats not your chc

[haughty kernel]

oh

[red island]

we talk about critical hit chance

[haughty kernel]

55

[red island]

55 is fine

[earnest pendant]

grupo chest would improve it more than fenris unless im mistaken

[haughty kernel]

I read the guide and it seems to be just a bit better, yes. but im not sure if i want to farm to get just a minor improvement

[earnest pendant]

yeah its minor things

[haughty kernel]

I was using this drone as a distraction, as i was playing solo, but if im running with a friend i use the defender drone just for the little bit of protection

[vestal ibex]

Ceska is better.

[patent fossil]

Having ceska will allow you to run chd on every piece and probably some of the mods too, should work out higher than grupo chest

[red island]

defender drone is fine, but if you need distraction, decoy is better

[haughty kernel]

fair, I may try that, forgot how good it was, not gonna lie.

[vestal ibex]

CHC ratio on gear is 1 CHC to 2 CHD, grupo is 13% CHD and ceska is 8% CHC.

So grupo is like having 6.5% CHC and ceska is like having 16% CHD.

[haughty kernel]

hm, may get that just to hit the 60 percent cap..

[earnest pendant]

ic

[vestal ibex]

This is a bit situational if you use coyotes mask cause the mid range buff will give you 10% CHC. Most will run 48-52% CHC in they play in mid buff most the time.

[magic pilot]

Ceska chest

Especially with AR

[haughty kernel]

got ya, thanks for all the help everyone

[tribal phoenix]

What’s the go to AR nowadays, besides the Lexington I missed out on that lol

[patent fossil]

They're mostly pretty close in performance, famas and f2000 are probably top dps but you're not missing a huge amount by picking another.
Bighorn does some pretty crazy dps if you can reliably land headshots, but the handling isn't great so it's best at shorter ranges

[tribal phoenix]

Oh okay thanks yeah I usually use f2000 and famas with killer. But didn’t know if anything changed much these past two seasons

[patent fossil]

Minor balance adjustments but not enough to dethrone those two

[gloomy spruce]

Tactical Tuna Boat(F2000) is a good AR

[tribal phoenix]

I like tuna

[hexed steppe]

i dont know what perfect talent that should have, but it should be a named weapon. massive, get to work on this🔥

[halcyon geyser]

Are there any build guide sites or just check forums and here for ideas?

[stable marten]

Check pinned post here for some good ones

[static shadow]

I thought when it came to gear you could recalibrate an attribute and a talent or can you not do that

[onyx sage]

only one "thing"

either an attribute or the talent, and only that one forever

[static shadow]

Dang it. I finally got China light chest piece but had a bad talent and bad attribute grr lol

[onyx sage]

yeah if you had 2 wrong "thing"s you'll need to refarm

[static shadow]

Hmm

Guess I'm back to farming and hoping for a better China light chest drop

[graceful elm]

Can someone send me best builds in this period

[bright raptor]

pinned post, The Spreadsheet 2

[half cosmos]

what do u think? more CHC?

[red island]

yeah 50% is min i think

[half cosmos]

also is there ANY way to not go forced scope on exotics like doctor home or vindicator?

[hazy steeple]

Certain guns that have scopes, you can press "tab" (on PC) to "un-scope".

Potentially may work for those.

[onyx sage]

these 2 have forced scopes

you can't unscope on these

[red island]

isnt tab melee button ?

[vestal ibex]

It is while not scoped

Then while you are holding right click it'll scope or multi zoom

[thorny kernel]

Would Chatterbox be a good weapon for a striker build with obliterate chest and Coyotes mask?

[vestal ibex]

It can be but it'll fall off in harder content with more people cause you can't 1 mag so easy.

If you play solo give it a shot and learn how to use it and see how far it goes for you tho.

[urban latch]

60% minimum CHC on umbra, you REALLY want to be at the cap

[half cosmos]

even if i am sacrifising the chd?

[red island]

yes

[red island]

chatterbox isnt great on heroic + difficulties

[rugged veldt]

It’s such low bullets for such a quick gun

[urban latch]

your getting 120% CHD from umbra alone, to take advantage of that you need to be at the cap

[half cosmos]

on 59.9 % chc 101 chd

[thorny kernel]

Ouroboros is worse for that matter lol

[onyx sage]

well ouroboros doesn't rely on killing in 1 mag

or half a mag

[thorny kernel]

That is true tho

[urban latch]

you should still be able to kill an elite in 1 mag

[rugged veldt]

I mean even with large mags I sometimes have to reload one more time but most of the time it’s with 1 mag, lowkey depends on how much stacks u got with the striker

[red island]

with ouro you get fulls tacks in a few seconds

if you're half decent at aiming

[thorny kernel]

To be fair chatterbox reloads so insanely fast that it almost doesn't matter lol

[red island]

it does, cause reloading = you lose the buff

and chatterbox is already weak enough without the talent

[thorny kernel]

Fair enough

[rugged veldt]

What you guys think about the oxpecker?

[red island]

i think he's a cousin to woody

[versed summit]

Meh

More damage is better

[bold leaf]

Most of the reviews of Oxpecker I've seen haven't read the talent properly so are using it on incorrect builds. It's a lot better than people give it credit for, but also there are many better choices anyway so it doesn't really matter

[half cosmos]

i have loved strega on ND its like wildfire

[onyx sage]

it's good for the average player

[half cosmos]

what strega?

[onyx sage]

anything

[vestal ibex]

The pew things

[rugged veldt]

I started using Strega on striker

[onyx sage]

gun that shoot = good

[rugged veldt]

It beams

[half cosmos]

any AR on striker beams man

atriker is OP in a way and while its good i dont like it

[rugged veldt]

Building stack is slower in some ARs

[bold leaf]

I thought Strega and ND were a bad combo? If a kill comes from an ND marked target it doesn't activate the talent

[versed summit]

It doesn’t synergize exactly but they still work

[vestal ibex]

Hello ACS

[versed summit]

So I’ve heard

[rugged veldt]

Huh?

[vestal ibex]

Strikers is mechanically boring and ez mode for most things yeah.

[bold leaf]

The ACS-12 rapid fire shotgun is a favourite for quickly building Striker stacks

[rugged veldt]

Could I get it from countdown?

[bold leaf]

A 20-round mag on the base version, 30 on the named, builds stacks very quick.

[red island]

get what ?

the shotgun ?

[rugged veldt]

ACS-12

[bold leaf]

The base version will drop in Countdown, the named, Rock n Roll, is a DZ or named cache exclusive

[rugged veldt]

Yes

[red island]

just TL shotguns, you'll get plenty of it

[half cosmos]

No but it does execute the already affected spread

[rugged veldt]

You know what’s crazy, I had the rock n roll but deconstructed it on accident 😢

[buoyant fiber]

Rock n roll shotgun? Mid unfortunately.

[bold leaf]

But if the ND talent doesn't benefit from the Strega talent and the ND target that dies doesn't spread the Strega talent then what's the point

[red island]

not mid at all, very good on support build to help team dps

[versed summit]

It’s not mid, just a lil over hyped for striker

[rugged veldt]

What does TL mean

[versed summit]

You only need it for chest striker

[versed summit]

Targeted loot

[rugged veldt]

Ohh okay

[half cosmos]

Ok so how i play it u shoot 3 targets for you ND yes? Kill 1 spread strega now atleast 2 are double marked

Tag 3rd new ND mark

Hit 4th now the last 3 are taking 15% amp from strega and from mark

If my understanding of what i saw is correct

[bold leaf]

I see where you're coming from but I would imagine those other two are dead before the first one. In that case nothing gets spread to targets 4, 5 etc

[rugged veldt]

What’s a good chest piece for striker?

[bold leaf]

Except the spread from 1, which will be back at the base strength

[versed summit]

Česká with obliterate

[rugged veldt]

Where could I find this piece?

[red island]

targeted loot

[half cosmos]

Not fron ND yes but strega kills will propogate

U need to keep switching targets which yes is annoying but things die FAST

[bold leaf]

If you're marking three targets and then shooting one, the other two will die first. Otherwise you're doing something wrong. The backpack takes the damage up to 112% to marked targets, so any crit you do to one will be higher to the others. Unless I'm crazy. That completely negates the Strega talent.

My recommendation to anyone asking about ND would be to use something with Killer so you can get out more CHD

[versed summit]

Countdown with targeted loot set to Česká works

[hazy steeple]

^ and don't forget to run it on Challenging, where the bulk of players do.
Due to weird scaling, it's closer to Heroic quality loot anyway.

[bold leaf]

The loadscreen tips say that Countdown loot always has heroic quality items (or words to that effect); never actually looked to see if that's true though

[hazy steeple]

You may be the first person in over 2 years to read a loading screen tip.

The government are going to want to question you for this.

[onyx sage]

those tips are also from the first countdown iteration where challenging is the only difficulty

[hazy steeple]

The original CD was closer to Heroic in difficulty.
And I'm fairly sure about this, because the reason they added easier difficulties is that the bulk of players were not finishing it.

[bold leaf]

They're so annoying; some of them have zero context so if you're not intimitately familiar with what they're going on about they make no sense

[onyx sage]

they have since never been updated to reflect that difficulties are now a thing

and also annoyingly show up in other content when it should only be shown when you are loading into countdown

[hazy steeple]

The out of date lore ones are fun to read. It's like going back to a text-book you used in high school.

It's like watching a build video from 2020

[onyx sage]

"guys the tooltip says loot is always heroic quality so can i solo countdown normal?"

[rugged veldt]

What’s so special about this chest piece?

[hazy steeple]

@rugged veldt You're going to use it on like, 30 different builds.

It's the swiss-army knife of gear pieces.

[bold leaf]

I know this seems like a joke but genuinely if you're new, play solo, and don't know any better why would you think it's incorrect

[hazy steeple]

Solo Countdown is a terrible idea lol.

[onyx sage]

they don't know that it is incorrect

that's the bad thing

[bold leaf]

Of course but you get what I'm saying

[hazy steeple]

This is why things like the 📌 spreadsheet exists.

[bold leaf]

We all have the benefit of experience and external resources but it drives me crazy that these are essential these days

[hazy steeple]

I didn't join the server until well after launch, and didn't really know the spreadsheet existed nearly a year later.
It's always worth remebering that everyone started somewhere, and we should help out the newer players so the player-count can grow.

[onyx sage]

what happens when you have a stretched-thin skeleton crew. but yeah we do whatever we can to help

[hazy steeple]

Just couldn't help yourself.

[bold leaf]

Yeah that's why I try and be as helpful as I can

[hazy steeple]

Okay I'm out, y'all play nice.

[onyx sage]

there is a thin line between leaving enough details out so it doesn't come off as handholding and being like Dark Souls-level of vague, but this is just... not saying anything at all lol

so my advice has generally veered on being a bit extra just in case

[bold leaf]

If your advice is only "Countdown, targeted loot" and "don't use Ninja bag" you're doing it right

[onyx sage]

"erm ninja gives me extra weapon damage more than vigilance"

then i go on a tirade

[tribal phoenix]

I like ninja bag for my 9 skill tier hybrid build

[tulip charm]

9? baller

[vestal ibex]

Better than Rauceys 7.

[tribal phoenix]

Yeah so I can have a few blues as well

[onyx sage]

truly wasteful, dislike, unsubscribe

[gloomy spruce]

Pls don't say bad things about my favorite backpack

You might hurt its feelings.

The NBB wakes up everyday like the rest of us. It just wants to make seemingly impossible and probably ill-conceived builds possible.

[real seal]

im new i wanted some advice on how to make a striker build wanted to set up a build for IH raid

[azure nebula]

im doing something like this rn

running a tiny bit of extra armor

but i could always

go all in

[real seal]

i was looking at other builds on youtube and they went with a st. elmo engine what are your thoughts on that

[azure nebula]

depends on what you are trying to do

[real seal]

oh? which application are these items then and how do they compare with using st elmo

[azure nebula]

with elmos it has that shock damage right

that and its ar status give it god status

ars are king

like if you run a scorpio

you can lay waste to enemys using striker and get stacks quickly

thats also why im using a acs-12

back in d1 days this is just about the same loadout i ran back then

lightweight m4 with showstopper

basically same thing here but with a semi auto shotgun of some sort

and any exotic AR certain LMGs and certain SMGs

like if you got oroborus

best dps in the game for striker apparantly

[real seal]

this is what i saw and did not know if this was good so now im here asking

[azure nebula]

whats the chest peice

you need to be running more damage though

too many armor cores

[azure nebula]

i would run 2 armor and 4 damage

or 3 and 3

[real seal]

this was also another one i saw

[azure nebula]

hell yeah

[azure nebula]

you gotta use the backpack

[subtle bluff]

Don't use Fenris. Ceska is better for CHC and can be used a more than one type of weapon.

[azure nebula]

you are losing lots of damage

the backpack does a lot you can live without the chest peice yes but i like to run both

[subtle bluff]

Striker chest only should be use if you have time and/or able to build up to 200 stacks

[real seal]

the video also said if you have the momento use that instead

[azure nebula]

this is why i use bullet king

[subtle bluff]

You can't build fast enough with bullet king

[azure nebula]

thats why i use a acs-12

[subtle bluff]

So again do not use Chest.

[azure nebula]

then do sustained damage

[subtle bluff]

The only places you can use it is Incursion and some boss fights

Again I posted a pic of why we use the other one

[azure nebula]

shit i use it for everything

[real seal]

wait im confused by this statement what chest not to use?

[subtle bluff]

You're losing out. Do not use chest.

[real seal]

not use striker chest?

[azure nebula]

apparantly

[subtle bluff]

Yuri I highly doubt your getting past 120 stacks and keep it up and then fight long enough to keep it there

[hexed steppe]

Missing glass and vigi 😎

[azure nebula]

i am at max stacks most the time

i just know how to keep them up

ive been using this build for quite a while

[hexed steppe]

Easy to do if you're not putting out damage. In general you dont really need the chest.

[subtle bluff]

I only give it to people that are fine with GC.

It is a lot of dmg.

[azure nebula]

need no want yes

[subtle bluff]

wasted effort

[hexed steppe]

I think if rookies start with glass they get the knack for proper use of cover a lot faster

[subtle bluff]

Obi chest will give close to same dmg with less stacks needed

[hexed steppe]

Or they quit

[subtle bluff]

it's rare dont disagree

GC Vigil maths out to more dmg than Chest BP soo ya

[azure nebula]

lose about 50% of my dps withoug the chest

[subtle bluff]

You don't you just think so

honestly

[azure nebula]

no im in game activly testing this

[real seal]

im sorry to ask but what is GC Vigil glass?

[hexed steppe]

No doubt. Took a bit for me to use glass in dps setups. But running pgc in skill setups kinda made it not a big deal

[azure nebula]

im litteraly looking at the numbers

[subtle bluff]

That's DMG not DPS.

[hexed steppe]

Build already posted? Link me if i.missed it

[subtle bluff]

Glass Cannon. Vigilance talents.

[azure nebula]

no im in game looking at the numbers

im changing stuff getting minimal results

[subtle bluff]

Again your looking at Damage per Bullet
and not Damage per Second.

[hexed steppe]

Glass cannon chest talent 25%amp damage, 50% amp incoming damage.

Vigi- Vigilance -25% total weapon damage.

Both very strong talents for dps

[subtle bluff]

Soo I do this without a weapon..

[hexed steppe]

Risk with reward

[subtle bluff]

How not correct. That thing maths out wrong

[azure nebula]

with orig build

[subtle bluff]

that's also low

[azure nebula]

i know

[hexed steppe]

Is this what you maintain 200 stacks on?

[azure nebula]

about 170 to 200

depends on the crits

[hexed steppe]

Without striker chest

[azure nebula]

???

[subtle bluff]

If you want to know your true DPS use the spreadsheet in the Pinned Messaged

[hexed steppe]

👆 this is what I tagged #td2-build-advice message

[subtle bluff]

He hasnt' looked at my 21mill one shot either yet..

[azure nebula]

this shit is confusing

[real seal]

you are telling me

im so lost rn

[hexed steppe]

I hate to ask what the crit looks like on the bk striker, but I have a good idea it's probably what helps maintain higher stacks. It's not a dig even if it is a little backhanded... but when we say it's hard to maintain high stacks most of the time, it's because we are judging top damage builds. Most stuff would be dead in 120 stack range on optimal striker with chest and bag

[real seal]

the only thing i am for sure on is go with the gunner

[azure nebula]

why can this not be like erkul

[subtle bluff]

also there a few different numbers Brust DPS and Sustain DPS

[subtle bluff]

what is?

[subtle bluff]

Idk what your following.

[real seal]

same i dont know who to follow all i know is you both seem to agree with gunner and coyote mask

[subtle bluff]

Read this to keep it simple.

Gunner is simply good there other things you can use but for starting Gunner is Fine.

Same with Coyote.

[hexed steppe]

Its confusing because some of the stuff being mentioned has no basis in reality .
Your absolute best bet is to look it the pinned spreadsheet and above build breakdown. Use either to get some pieces together and then post the build and ask for improvements

[real seal]

im just going to follow this because i can see what i need for the attributes

[hexed steppe]

Perfect

[subtle bluff]

Keep it simple. If you're having issues then come back afterwards.

And don't stress about making it prefect. Just make it and feel how it works then start messing with stuff.

[real seal]

how do you get the coyote mask

[hexed steppe]

Once you get a handle on striker, come back and I'll really confuse you with a unicorn mortar setup

[hexed steppe]

Target loot masks, anywhere

Countdown is solid for farming most gear

[real seal]

going to be real with you chief i got the freezer room temp iq a lot of things confuse me

[hexed steppe]

All good. It gets a lot easier once certain things click. Striker gonna be good for this

[subtle bluff]

You also don't "NEED" it. You can get Grupo piece.

[onyx sage]

it's okay, I'm also average

[real seal]

a what?

[hexed steppe]

Determined Hotshot Supremacy

[hexed steppe]

Ide pay good money for a determined emote in this server

[real seal]

also i thought youd want at least a exotic weapon

[subtle bluff]

You almost use anything at first.

[hexed steppe]

Exo not always best in slot. Some are really good, alot if times highend weapons are stronger

[subtle bluff]

I really need to make a guide so I stop repeating myself.

[real seal]

that is true i use the 1886 for a rifle build and its not even named or anything

[subtle bluff]

Yeah Exo in general aren't always needed.

[hexed steppe]

Personally I really like st elmo, exo ar, but there are stronger he options. Most are fairly close in damage, so get the build solid and use the weapons you like best.
The spreadsheet has a section where you can see how each compare in burst and sustained dps

[real seal]

where is best to grind for gear? cause currently im just doing summit

[hexed steppe]

Challenging countdown

It shares the same target as summit

CD gives credits for exo and named caches.

And about 50 items a run

[real seal]

@subtle bluff for the primary weapon the lexington the image does not have a talent tied to it so does that mean any talent works?

[subtle bluff]

Any works.

[real seal]

you got a preference?

curious what you prefer

[subtle bluff]

Most builds aren't fixed to one thing. Style makes builds and players.

It depends on the build.

Measure, Strained, Ranger, Fast hands

[real seal]

thoughts on killer or on empty

[subtle bluff]

Killer is good too I forgot. eh on empty.

[shy willow]

Killer is okay but it's the only one that relies on kill and it's rng

[real seal]

i thought it would have been good since the build he showed as a lot around crits

[subtle bluff]

Killer I normally only use on SMG but my normal day on Div 2 isn't like most.

[shy willow]

The max crit chance is 60 percent so assuming you get a kill there's a 40 percent chance nothing happens

[edgy plank]

Lady death work for striker build better the f2000?

[subtle bluff]

more of playstyle different than a being better overall

[edgy plank]

that makes sence thank you

[urban latch]

For iron horse DPS you really are better off with a high end build rather than strikers.

Also whatever YouTuber is telling you to run that many or any) blue cores and pfe in the raid (outside the specific tank roles) has no idea what they are talking about about.

If you really want to go with strikers, which works ok-ish, listen to what chow has said

[urban latch]

Like.... This is a bad build in general, but especially for iron horse

[bold leaf]

I ran my first raids recently, strikers with chest and backpack throughout. I gotta say I don't remember hitting max stacks; however, I never thought a high end would be good enough for sustained dps

[onyx sage]

it's not about the sustained in IH

you don't have a constant target to build stacks on unlike DH encounters

it's burst

[bold leaf]

Ah ok. I'll look at making a different build for that then, thanks

[shy willow]

You do for boss 1 and 4 but for 2 and 3 you won't have anything constant to stack off

[real seal]

the person who told me to make a striker build is some one that i talked to for joining them in a raid they wanted me to have a striker build

[urban latch]

Just having a striker build is kind of the minimum expected. It's easy to put together and works well enough. But the screenshot you sent is not how you want it setup

[real seal]

yeah just what i found when looking up something but i did not really know if it was good and i did not want to try the build then it isnt as good hence why i was just going to follow chow

[sudden maple]

Hi guys. I'm still struggling with build/gear I love using AR smg and LMG please help with gear for those guns. But mostly using AR/SMG

[wary forge]

Hey guys! Is this the strongest possible combination for 1hk rifle build?

Or i can do any change to improve it?

[shy willow]

Looks good

Its very min maxed though you don't have to go all out on rifle damage

[light bobcat]

why i cannot recalibrate and change talent?

[onyx sage]

you already changed core attribute

[light bobcat]

oh so if i did i cannit change anymore?

[onyx sage]

yes, only 1 thing

[light bobcat]

ah

[karmic osprey]

wondering is this any good or should i make adjustments to what i am using

[bright raptor]

Ceska Vigilance backpack over the HF pack, replace gloves with HF gloves, shield over seekers

[karmic osprey]

will give that a try once im done farming summit for exotics

[shy willow]

If you're using Ridgeway you certainly want sadist on your gun

[wary forge]

Guys just last question today

What difference between the 3 variants of the m870?

Is just aesthetic?

Thanks! 🤣
Was just wandering if have any diference

[dusty vortex]

what are some things I could farm for a build using ar's/smgs? I just hit level 40 and havent played in a bit, im a pve player

[rain scarab]

I've seen very few posts about the Aegis gearset so ive decided to put something together to test it.
Tactician/2piece Brazos (Mask/Back + Protector)/4 Piece Aegis (2 of them rolled skill tier). Trying to beef up the decoy and use the bulwark shield, just faceplant infront of enemies. Works decent but i dont really know how it compares to a Foundry Bulwark

ended up being basically 4/4 skill/armor

[shy willow]

Funnily enough when aegis released the first thing I tried was a blue yellow hybrid to lean into the threat gimmick

Unfortunately it's just a trash set tbh

[pure estuary]

Guys is perfect vigilance really taht important for hotshot sniper build? like isn't it just a small stat difference?

[patent fossil]

It's not generally recommended, usually you'd go for airaldi bag with regular vigilance

[fresh fox]

damage wise probably but something like hunters fury would perform a lot better on the field due to how many bonuses it gives

[fresh fox]

not at all don’t worry about it

[pure estuary]

I just tried the build its pretty satisfying and feels so strong

but I was wondering if this build is strong for all content?

I got this build specifically to farm control points for 5x event

but this hotshot build feels so good I could probably use a rifle or a smaller zoom scope to do all short range content too

but idk fi this build would be better than a maxed out striker build or not

but its definitely my playstyle. far away and safe

[patent fossil]

It's good for a lot of content, not so good in countdown or when you're fighting marauders though

You can run 1886 rifle and still one shot elites (at least in solo heroic)

[pure estuary]

ok thanks alot. I feel like its alot better than my striker build ngl and its not even min maxed yet.

[urban latch]

For stuff like open world and missions it frankly is. People overrate strikers thinkimg it's bis for everything

Determined 1886, m870, regulus combo especially

[red island]

you dont need to use a scope at all

[urban latch]

The 3.4x and 4x scopes are nice because they don't default scope, but you can toggle scope as needed

[forest rampart]

50% crit chance is optimal for coyotes mask right?

[patent fossil]

If it's a mid range build, yeah

[forest rampart]

strikers?

I guess I dont have a good reference for range. This is the generic strikers with elmos

[patent fossil]

Depends how you play, keep an eye on the buff icon as you play and see if it's usually in the mid or long range section. If you tend to try and get closer then you probably need more chc.

[pure estuary]

yeah but I lose out on headshot damage

[pure estuary]

idk what buff I am even looking out for xD. Iw as just estimating and feeling g

[red island]

its fine, hotshot compensate

[patent fossil]

Blue icon with white zigzag shape, the section that is 'filled in' varies with the range buff you have active. Middle section for mid range, although I can honestly never remember whether short range is top or bottom of the icon.

[quartz ermine]

try this

[magic pilot]

That is 100% weaker

[forest rampart]

is this worth optimizing? or should I be targeting a new piece?

[patent fossil]

I'd say keep, at least until you get one with natural crit rolls so you have a flexible talent

[magic pilot]

Still worth optimizing imo

@patent fossil remember when they said that glass was getting changed and then never did

[patent fossil]

I can't say I do recall that, how were they going to change it?

[magic pilot]

When obliterate was nerfed

Not sure they never said

Yea it was

And the 3 foundary talents

[patent fossil]

Wonder how they were planning to balance it

[magic pilot]

Probably a buff that they decided to go back on

[atomic vigil]

what's better for refactor? hana-u or empress?

[magic pilot]

Wyvern

[patent fossil]

Empress is generally only worth running if you go for all 3 bonuses

[magic pilot]

My decoy build would like a word with you

[patent fossil]

'generally'

Because there's almost always some weird exception

[hybrid hatch]

Can I post a screenshot of a crime against division that hurts to look at if theres no user info 😂

[bold leaf]

You have to now xD

[hybrid hatch]

I was like “why we playing on Normal?”
Then “wait why this guy have only 5 armor segments “
inspect
Oh dear god

[bold leaf]

How have they got the drone and turret to expertise 23 but are running that build?

[hybrid hatch]

Lmao I didn’t even see that part 🤣

[bold leaf]

Even an alt character surely they have better gear to use even if it's not optimal

[hybrid hatch]

Right?

This is like “I just started playing yesterday “ not shd 1500+

[civic turret]

In fairness you could start playing yesterday and be SHD 1500 because of the XP event. Lol.

[hybrid hatch]

Lol true

[red island]

not really, its limited to 1k lvl

[onyx sage]

are your turret and drone expertise 23 rn?

[red island]

500 shd lvl is a lot

[bold leaf]

Me? Nope nowhere near

[civic turret]

Yeah that's true. Close enough.

[hybrid hatch]

Mine are

[onyx sage]

there's a display bug where your own expertise is shown

[bold leaf]

Oh wait is the inventory screen inheriting your expertise

[onyx sage]

ah i meant to ask you sorry

[hybrid hatch]

Thats gotta be it then

[bold leaf]

Oh ok that makes me feel slightly better and worse then xD

Because they still made it to 1500+ with garbage

[hybrid hatch]

Well i was backing them up with 2 other people so im guessing it has been a lot of that

[bold leaf]

I will defend 'play your way' to the end of time but damn why you gotta nerf yourself with that kinda build

[hybrid hatch]

I just want to give them help 🤣

Please let me helpppppp

[onyx sage]

pls understand the average player's pov

[bold leaf]

Oh I do

[hybrid hatch]

“Whats a build?”

[onyx sage]

or the "meta is a crutch"

[hybrid hatch]

My guy needs a crutch, or a rascal scooter

[bold leaf]

Don't get me wrong I'm not gonna ridicule anyone for not knowing how to put a good build together or anything, but I'll never understand how you can play that long and not think about how you can improve what you're doing

There must come a point where you die constantly and think 'surely this can be better'

[onyx sage]

sadly, it is more common than you think

[hybrid hatch]

I guess if they stay on normal it might never be an issue

Or less of one

[bold leaf]

True

[onyx sage]

the average player plays solo, never gets on any forum like this, and we never run into them

i ran into a person who ran hunter's fury with sawyer's kneepads 💀 and they only play on challenging. you know what the worst part is?

they're 20k shd

this is before any xp boosts

they genuinely think their build is good

[hybrid hatch]

From Xp glitch maybe?

[onyx sage]

nah

frankly, they are too dumb to take advantage of it, most of the advice we give them they categorize under "unfixed glitches"

[hybrid hatch]

Lol

[versed summit]

Frankie?

[onyx sage]

iosmkim

[hybrid hatch]

That sounds like such an insane struggle…getting to 20k with such a bad setup

[onyx sage]

BUT... i say that because the average player enjoys the game very differently

[vestal ibex]

You having fun you having fun yo.

[civic turret]

Getting to 20k period. That's a lot of play time with very little growth of knowledge.

[onyx sage]

i only take issue when that kind of person says something is "best"

[civic turret]

Or alternatively they just don't care.

[red island]

people just play the way they think is best

[hybrid hatch]

Ew they got purple gear into my inventory 😂

[lavish flare]

Does Perfect Trauma / Trauma blind in pvp?

Is the duration that they are blinded for just lowered or smth? If so.. how much is it?

like 3 seconds?

[onyx sage]

do you have the chest?

you can just view what it does in pvp in game

[lavish flare]

No i dont have one

id have to recalibrate sumn and put it on ig

Will it give specifics?

[bold leaf]

If you toggle 'show pvp stats' it should show you

[lavish flare]

So nothing chanes, does that just mean it works..?

[bold leaf]

I guess so

[pure estuary]

guys what does it mean by high end? does that mean the build is less accesible and requires more grinding to get?

[versed summit]

It means it uses high end quality pieces. Gold gear.

[pure estuary]

oh lol I see. shouldn't every build be like that?

oh nvm it mean like no green gear

how do I know whcih build is better? xD

[vestal ibex]

They are both good but situationally one can be better over the other.

The high end has a higher starting damage with DCH and you'll do less damage after your first two shots, the hunter fury version will do less damage up front but will do more damage in the long run while giving you QOL perks like AOK/HOK and a AOE disorient.

Oh wait this is about sniper setups, eh truth be it kinda doesn't matter with HH as long as you tick a couple boxes.

[versed summit]

the green gear one is easier to put together and does the job well. I'd recommend that tbh

[shy willow]

Bro cranked his empathy stat up to 100

[dense echo]

Does anyone have a suggestion for a relatively new agent (SHD 300) on a build to reliably clear CP4s? I have a pretty solid striker build but feel a little to squishy to efficiently clear CP4s.

[patent fossil]

Hotshot sniper can easily clear heroic CPs with all directives.
Chainkiller, airaldi vigilance bag and 4pc hotshot. Doesn't need perfect rolls if you're solo

High damage sniper with basically any talent you like, Determined is the common option since it lets you be very lazy about aiming

[dense echo]

ty

[vestal ibex]

You should probably check out some of the other division 2 discords too, they have VC and people group up and farm event's do raids/incursions/legendries.

Kettle pls get them to bring back VC here....

[dense echo]

I saw you typing and was warming up message for you "we've go to stop meeting like this", lol. Ty again for the sound advice. I'm in one other discord, but have my own hangups about being a burden... lol but that's another conversation for my therapist.

[stone thistle]

I know smgs aren’t in a great spot rn for PVE, but what non-exotic smg is your go to? And is measured actually good? (I’m thinking p90 or .45 vector)

[dense echo]

Currently it is an Aug. I have a p90 and Emelines but just weren't feeling them. And have yet to get a Vector that has been worth running.

[vestal ibex]

I'm around a lot, not sure if that's good or bad. No ones a burden typically and you've gotta learn the end game content somehow. From the sounds of it you are already ready. Strikers with correct rolls is all you need really.