td2-build-advice

[proven merlin]

Im already in RG server i cba to join another CC

Yeah but its more so just to force myself to actually do PvP more often since i hate it

[strong cave]

Rogue gold got LFGs in his server??

[proven merlin]

Yes and no, very few people use it, most of them use the lfg here since theres more people

[strong cave]

Makes sense 🤔 hey I'd be more than happy to farm with you in DZ if you ever run into me

Love me a good DZ farming party. Esp when you get an entire server of 12 to party up 😂😂

Never seen landmarks get cleared that fast before

[proven merlin]

Tbf im only dz 15 so my bracket is significantly less sweaty

[frozen hull]

Is there any builds where “vile” exotic mask is viable ?

[proven merlin]

almost every status effect build

[frozen hull]

Honestly shoulda just searched cause I did after I asked and saw that ahha thanks tho

[fair dragon]

Anything but a foam eclipse creeping death build

[clever merlin]

im using the EP build with microwave coil what should I use for the other skill since i use the recon drone

also using reaper scan and what other passive?

[subtle bluff]

What is this microwave coil...

[clever merlin]

new OP passive modifier

[pastel crane]

Basically, pulsing enemies also burns them which also gives more Momentum

[near mason]

What is a good talent on a Godrolled (with the right attributes) LMG

[hexed steppe]

definitely not OP
whats the tick damage you see?

im sure you could slip a fire sticky in there and get 5-10 times the tick damage... js

[shy willow]

Fast hands, strained, usual bunch

LMGs like sleipnir, iron lung, blue screen also very nice

[hexed steppe]

fire eclipse where you use the ep backpack. i dont see it as viable on other status because you dont have the same type of status spread

[shy willow]

The only build that isn't fire eclipse where I see vile is triple tick OD

[hexed steppe]

better have glass

[near mason]

I got those but I got a godrolled MG5 15% LMG damage, 12% Damage to Targets out of Cover and 10% CHD

[shy willow]

Naturally

[hexed steppe]

doesnt od usually use the chest

[shy willow]

Ordinarily yeah but on triple tick you're looking to maximise tick damage

[subtle bluff]

CHC then ROF are the best for LMG

[shy willow]

Surprisingly effective with status rolls and od bag with vile/pesti

[near mason]

What was ROF again?

[hexed steppe]

rate of fire

[near mason]

Coulda guessed it

[near mason]

Btw once you get either raid or incursion exotics

They're added to the general lootpool right

Or the ones from master difficulty or descent vendor

[onyx sage]

nope, none of what you said go into the general pool

[near mason]

Damn

Sucks

Well at least the master difficulty ones are guaranteed drop

Raid is just a chance to drop

Same with incursion

[onyx sage]

regulus from iron horse is basically guaranteed

just do enough runs

[near mason]

Still haven't gotten raid exotics btw

I had eagle bearer lvl 30 when there was no dlc when it came out they didn't even release to recalibrate to lvl40 later on they added it but damage was already done

[near mason]

I got it back then on my first raid clear

[rugged obsidian]

Do you guys have any recommandations for solo legendary builds? thanks 🙂

[near mason]

I got co op builds if you matchmake with randoms

[onyx sage]

most of us here just recommend running striker and getting a lot of practice

[rugged obsidian]

the problem is that i seem to not have enough health so i get one shot a lot but i run all red cores. should i swap one or two or even more. I run with revive hive and the decoy and im doing really fine on heroic but legendary i cant seem to go far

[onyx sage]

the name of the game is learning how to not take damage

it's not about how tanky you are

[rugged obsidian]

perfect i guess ill need more pratice then XD thanks a lot @onyx sage

[onyx sage]

watch some runs online, i personally have a few, but good positioning is key

[rugged obsidian]

perfect will do 🙂

[proven merlin]

cool sniper build if you have decent aim and can hit headshots

[solar sable]

why prov instead of airaldi?

[proven merlin]

im just better

Nah im jp i use it for Headshot dmg since the skills are for headhsots

[hazy steeple]

That 2% extra MMR damage makes them unstoppable.

[proven merlin]

i also dont have an araldi backpack thats decent enough

[tawdry flare]

Meta

[hoary sail]

Meta of the Meta then 🤣

[shy willow]

The dien special

[tepid trout]

"If you have decent aim and can hot headshots" you only have a determined sniper on

[boreal ingot]

Is negotiator combo well with Pestilence, I want something to counter suppress... OFC Negotiator do good job but sometime enemies just keep suppress behind cover when I cna't land shot like certain part of Maya mission so...

[solar sable]

lmgs have that effect on NPC's, they tend to suppress since its a heavy weapon

Like imagine seeing a quiet dude running with an LMG like it as a handgun, emptying mags to your allies. Who wouldn't shit their pants?

[strong cave]

Does anyone have a 1 shot shotgun build for Dark Zone/Conflict?? Some kinda template I could use of some sort

That build isn't done yet, Agent. Expertise 28 that bitty

(will also finally be farming that 5.11 pvp build out as I farm for a shotgun build)

[timber dagger]

Hi i recently switched to striker my chc is 47.8 chd 117.1 should would it be better to sacrifice 12 chd for the extra 6 % chance or is it unnoticeable?

[patent fossil]

You can just multiply the two numbers together for each option and see which is higher

In this case the extra chc is the better option

[timber dagger]

Thanks

[unique basin]

give me exotic pls i just turned lvl 40

[tepid trout]

That isn't how it works plus don't beg

[unique basin]

😭

[lime slate]

Should i get crit damage or DTTOOC for my St Elmos?

[red island]

always dttooc

dta is the 2nd best

[lime slate]

Is that for every weapon?

[red island]

basically yes

lmg for example already have dttooc so its best getting dta for them

[lament fossil]

ANyone have suggestions on how to level up expertise effectively? Not sure if I am doing it wrong or what but it is taking FOREVER lol.

[bright raptor]

equip gear in 3x for brand or 4x for gearset slots, equip guns you're not using in other weapon slots, donate junk loot or crafting materials - printer filament is the most efficient way to level up proficiency

the intent actually is for it to become very slow once you're proficient with the stuff you actually use regularly

[lament fossil]

Ah. makes sense. So the profiency of the secondary weapon and side arm all go up when I use my main weapon to kill things too?

[bright raptor]

yes, but at a slower rate

[shy willow]

use iron lung, the revved up bullets negate suppression

[warm knot]

Crit chance for lmgs, not DTA.

[vestal ibex]

Diff in 1st shot and second shot is usually less than 1% difference and at top damage it might be 2-3%.

[pastel crane]

Would Exodus Gloves be viable with Strikers?

[vestal ibex]

As per Refractor Refractor Refractor "they are comfy gloves and just make things chill"

[shy willow]

theyre very very good

get out of jail free card every 40 seconds

[vestal ibex]

Yeah it also usually saves your OSP so you can keep that up too.

[patent fossil]

There's apparently a trick with them that lets you instantly refill your armour when they proc by swapping weapons at just the right time

[shy willow]

^

[pastel crane]

I'll keep that in mind

[patent fossil]

If you look up dien.aka.kim on YouTube he's got a video of a solo legendary Capitol run using them, so you can see it in action

[onyx sage]

who dat

dat guy overrated

[patent fossil]

Just some weirdo

Terrible taste in music

[shy willow]

can confirm he has a terrible taste in music

saved my life once

[thorny kernel]

I want to make a build for Mantis, anything that should be in there?

[versed summit]

Per iKia they’re a 5% drop in DPS from mid coyote buff, so very reasonable tbh

[versed summit]

Decoy

Headhunter

[onyx sage]

so pro sir

[versed summit]

Yeah it’s not something you’d learn from that dean.ache.chem fella

[onyx sage]

he only posts yoga videos nowadays

[shy willow]

🤨

[hollow pasture]

He's a pretty big casual

[tepid trout]

All big division youtubers are

I'm talking hundreds of thousands+

Gcrock and kamikaze are the 2 biggest offenders

[urban latch]

dien #3

[tepid trout]

Lol

[patent fossil]

Ouch, harsh

[magic pilot]

He only plays determined

[tepid trout]

The only actually good division youtubers don't have more than 10k subs normally with a few exceptions

[tepid trout]

I remember seeing this one kamikaze video where he was guiding on how to do like 7 minute runs 2 man while we were getting 4:15s

[versed summit]

It’d be ok if they had good music ngl

[tepid trout]

2 man dua on challenging or hard didn't realise I didn't include it

[shy willow]

it cured my paralysis I can't complain tbh

[versed summit]

That’s rotor blades

[hollow pasture]

Thank god they made them all red tbh

That really saved them

[versed summit]

Tbh a lot of items would be better if they were all red

[onyx sage]

like imperial dynasty

[tepid trout]

Shocker punch too

[versed summit]

Like frick it red tardigrade

[onyx sage]

man what if they made rugged gauntlets full red

[tepid trout]

Ehh idk

[hollow pasture]

I'd still not use them

[shy willow]

💀

[tepid trout]

Red core too or just attributes @versed summit

[versed summit]

You said shocker punch wtf you mean ehh

[versed summit]

Attributes too

[tepid trout]

That doesn't answer my question

I assumed attributes but core too?

[shy willow]

only a mother could love rugged gauntlets and imperial dynasty

[versed summit]

Red CHC crit damage

It’s just group unbreakable basically

[onyx sage]

man what if they made ridgeway full red

[tepid trout]

"Whenever your or any ally's armor breaks, they gain 80% of your armor as bonus armor for 10s." I'd rather the blue core to make that stronger

[magic pilot]

Alter ego

[versed summit]

Sir please stop bullying me I didn’t even misspell refactor today

[onyx sage]

Stop patronizing me.

[versed summit]

I didn’t say that

[shy willow]

critical hit junkies

[onyx sage]

The health is a good attribute for your bill because shields take health damage

[versed summit]

Anyways we’ve been selling health damage for 14 years

[shy willow]

all red everything double crit

[shy willow]

yes

[onyx sage]

Pair that with determined and you can shoot the sky and the sky will land it back on the head

Follow iKia for more bill guides

[versed summit]

I love financial advice

[shy willow]

artificer hive with explosive delivery the keystone of bill crafting

kills warhounds in minutes!

[versed summit]

But you need hazpro

For the burn resistance from artificer

[tribal cobalt]

Is there any great LMG builds out there? (solo)

[versed summit]

Striker’s

[onyx sage]

yeah, striker is great with it

[versed summit]

Bro only gets thumbs up instead of prayer because he’s derivative smh my head

[onyx sage]

okay fox

[shy willow]

Yoo it's the real overlord armaments

[gloomy spruce]

He's a goat and mythical player

I strangely have not found his yoga vids

Maybe he took them down like one of my other fave youtubers

[gloomy spruce]

Negotiator's Dilemma is also great with LMG's

[versed summit]

Think YT took them down

[shy willow]

criminal how much good content we lost

[versed summit]

😭

[gloomy spruce]

@tribal cobalt Ongoing directive is also good with BlueScreen against BTSU and Iron Lung against everything else

There are also weird people who have a hexotic build for LMG's. I have made a few for LMG/Ar or LMG/SMGs
LMG/Rifle hexotic was the meta for a while.

[onyx sage]

they didn't like how i don't show damage numbers on any of my yoga vids

[versed summit]

They didn’t like that you finished the climax

All red

[gloomy spruce]

Your yoga vids? You are not saying you are Dien.Aka.Kim are you?

😡

That is slander

[onyx sage]

no i would never

[cloud raptor]

Is 5x Xp for expertise too?

[versed summit]

IIRC no, there’s just the separate event for 5x XP

[red island]

nope, but you'll drop a lot so its nice

[cloud raptor]

Ok cause this is taking forever

Been grinding it and I’m only at 6/20

[worn mango]

Can Aces be unironically good if you just wanna mess around with rifles? Getting bored of OD and Strikers and the like

[vestal ibex]

It's just worse OD tho.

[worn mango]

I don't even mind it being worse if I'm just mucking about in open world

[vestal ibex]

Then why ask, just make things and muck about.

[worn mango]

Fair point, I just have no idea what AE even does. Or even something like True Patriot just for kicks

Since learning I hate skill builds and rely on gun stuff, everything just feels stale

[vestal ibex]

Fire EP is super fun

[worn mango]

For some reason I hate the gameplay loop

And I'll be the first to admit it could be a skill issue. But it's just not fun for me

[vestal ibex]

Sounds like you need a div break

[worn mango]

I wanna get the Oxpecker to muck about with that but it's just so far in the damn path

But I'd more or less agree with you. I've been enjoying Rivals, been playing PGA, baseball comes out next week. So there's stuff to play but something keeps bringing me back lol

[vestal ibex]

I'm probably not getting it this season lol it's numbers are kinda meh anyway.

[worn mango]

I'm a stupid high level but I feel like I've been definitely grinding it

[vestal ibex]

I guess I'm at an age/point in my gaming that a huge list of chores isn't fun and I can choose to ignore them.

[worn mango]

I'm still having fun trying to fill out expertise. I know most people say it's passive but it's just another thing to do. And I agree, I struggle with the tasking in this game. The whole point is to use the system and yet you've hid it behind such large tasks that the only effective way to get them unlocked is the range

And doing it in the range is just not good gameplay loop. I think they're having a tough time knowing what they wanna do and how to structure it

[silver dagger]

When does the 5x xp start again ?

[versed summit]

Next Tuesday IIRC

[worn mango]

Yeah, it's on update next week

I believe it's also golden bullet

[hollow pasture]

I'd argue the only one that's really only good at the range is the maintain momentum at tier 2, 3,4, etc

You can do the rest by playing but obviously considering the type of game this is, players just want to take the shortcut

The one journey that I'd say is a must to get done quickly is 3 at least

Cuz you get critical momentum

[worn mango]

For sure. The keeping tiers is awful design, it should have been at or above tier. But I guess the whole point of modifiers is to use them, not hide them behind checklists

And especially behind things that someone might not wanna do like seeker kills. I'm never gonna go back to a skill build

[hollow pasture]

HW seekers are fun for me so that's a non issue for me

[worn mango]

I just hated seekers that NPC can just dive and they do nothing

So many times no damage was being done in the heat of the moment

Maybe I'm just being fickle and a salty old man and it's creating build diversity

[onyx sage]

👴 🗣️ ☁️

[sage dew]

Is there a gun that applies burning on shot in division 2 or after stacks (like st elmos)

[vestal ibex]

Iron lung

[sage dew]

thank you!

[onyx sage]

iron lung my goat

[solar sable]

farming go brrr

[worn mango]

Overgrowth/Sleeping Giant go brrttt

[solar sable]

sinkhole my beloved

[vestal ibex]

Navy plaza my homie

[worn mango]

Oh we're cheesing headhunter determined the entire time for 5x

It's not to have fun, it's to be frustrated at caches

[vestal ibex]

I don't open caches unless I need to pick up a key or open a door anymore.

[worn mango]

I just wish you could mass open the same type

[vestal ibex]

Yep... There are faster ways to open them/skip bonus item animations but it's still just pain.

[worn mango]

Absolutely. This is all about getting that map xp and leveraging mules at this point lol

[hexed steppe]

Oh the shame. Was just about to react to that

[hexed steppe]

Its gonna be pretty comical triggering overdrive when GB handling/rof buff is already active

Mortar is kinda perfect for golden bullet. Never ending noob tube spam

[versed summit]

Event isn’t active with modifiers at the same time tho

[hexed steppe]

Oh hush, I forgot that 🤦‍♂️

Well we can dream anyways

[versed summit]

No

Hey everybody! This guy forgot global events aren’t active with modifiers

[hexed steppe]

Damnit why you gotta blow up my spot like that 😂

Its gonna be a hard choice modifiers or ge 🤔 overdrive kinda op . Oc on demand and all

[subtle bluff]

It feels like only people in discords will actually farm the event when I RMM it's like 1 out of 10 are doing GE for some reason.

[hexed steppe]

You'll only matchmake with people set the same way you are . Ge on or ge off... backup calls are random tho

[versed summit]

Lot of people probably forget

I dunno

[hexed steppe]

Afaik its decent, and harder to farm. I'm just not sure how highend lmg stacks up to striker/hb/od lmg setups

[versed summit]

Pretty solid with pestilence, but otherwise it really just locks you into using only an LMG with a very minor damage upside

[subtle bluff]

If you get the right drops... I still haven't found the chest or BP for it.

[versed summit]

Yeah it’s really hard to get.

Basically anything, but also it’s a pain to use

You have to swap to it, shoot a bunch of people, then swap to another weapon for the buff. It’s clunky to use unless you really need the extra damage for something

[hexed steppe]

Well, pain to max out buff, but each mark is 20% amp, unless its changed, so 2 marks is stronger than perfect glass. 10 marks is equal to 8x regular glass cannon... to give it some perspective. If I dont have an exo main weapon or regulus, that spot is always BLB

Personally 1 or 2 marks are pretty quick to generate and it's a solid buff

Dont ninja. Please no ninja. 3prov, grupo, contractors, foxs are the goto highend setup. Glass/oblit-vigilance

[shy willow]

You trade a very powerful bag talent for mid brand bonuses

And lose two attributes

Also steals exo slot from stuff like coyote or exodus

[hexed steppe]

So bags get talents that boost total weapon or total skill damage. Ninja replaces that with set bonus which are usually raw versions of those damage types or crit. Raw damage is additive, total damage is another multiplier

Foxs contractors add 2 more multipliers

[onyx sage]

but total damage is also additive..........

🤓

[hexed steppe]

Shut it

[onyx sage]

🪦

[hexed steppe]

[mint axle]

Could be a good exo for ND since you're applying both marks on the same target.

[shy willow]

It can be fun sure but if you're trying a serious build it ain't it

[subtle bluff]

NBB is a trap 98% of the time

[hexed steppe]

You'll thank us when you melt the crap out of everything

[shy willow]

Mfw oblit and vigi are additive ☠️

Bingo

[hexed steppe]

It has a place in pvp builds. It's just not strong compared to other options in pve.

Memento kinda splits the difference because of the huge returns from the talent.. still not as strong as highend tho

[subtle bluff]

wait what's this build for?

[hexed steppe]

3 prov, 1 grupo

[subtle bluff]

PvE?

Sum it up don't try to go Crit with BH

[versed summit]

True

[subtle bluff]

Wasting soo many points into it. BH is normal PvE isn't the greatest.

Your mixing HSD CHC and CHD is all messy.

Go either for Crit or HSD not both.

You'll do better with another weapon other than BH you'll be able to get more CHC so you'll get to do more CHD

[shy willow]

With a crit setup it's better to use another assault rifle tbh

With bighorn it's headshots or bust

[subtle bluff]

I love BH too like a lot of people see me using it but not in normal PvE.

[hexed steppe]

Go elmo/famas/lex/police m4

Hell, i busted out a carbine 7 the other day and it still melted decent

Sad days when you only have 2 lex but 4 agents to gear 😭

[warm terrace]

i dont have a signe lex 😦

[shy willow]

First world problems

[hexed steppe]

It would be cooler if you did

[warm terrace]

indeed:(

[merry tapir]

bread where'd you make this beautiful chart?

[thin olive]

You better off going with striker.

[subtle bluff]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/
it's not up to date correct

[near mason]

Guys it's been brought to my attention that I need to do expertise (as a returning player) my expertise level is 4 rn how do I max it out as fast as possible

[shy willow]

Its not something you need to do tbh it's just for when you have nothing else to do

No matter how you do it it'll be slow

If you have a high SHD level you can watch mule and donate filament

[hexed steppe]

if you consistently mark unwanted items as junk, then goto inventory > tinkering > expertise > and donate junk youll gain a good amount of expertise without having to really think about it. upcoming 5x event is going to be giving a stupid amount of proficiency caches so youll be able to donate a lot.
as Naval mentioned, watch mules are the absolute fastest way to level expertise. there is probably an expertise xp event scheduled for this season down the road

looks good from my house

[near mason]

Alright

[shy willow]

🏗️🏠🔭🏠

[near mason]

Is there a glitch cause nothing seems to be donating the junk?

[versed summit]

just double checking here, how come we don't run Vile on Foam eclipse? is the damage just negligible with how fast your DPS are damaging foamed enemies, combined with the loss of the EP backpack?

[hexed steppe]

proficient items wont donate. weapons / named are 20 donations per proficient, gear and brand sets are 100 donations each to proficient

[hexed steppe]

no bag amp to boost it

[versed summit]

yeah I was thinking that might be it

[hexed steppe]

creeping or opportunistic more useful so edges out vile as a damage piece

[near mason]

Huh?

[versed summit]

i mean you can take creeping or opp with vile, you're just losing Electrique or improvised or whatever

seems like a low opportunity cost

[hexed steppe]

but no ep bag boosting

look into nego too, plays much like highend , but with a small twist 😎

[hexed steppe]

you can definitely still take vile, it even works in the hazpro eclipse with its native hazpro. the difference of taking that or hannyu/eletriuque piece is probably pretty minor

for me i would see it as a loss of 20% haste

[versed summit]

true

[hexed steppe]

items that are currently proficient wont donate because they are proficient. those items can be deconstructed, and materials can be donated directly to anything not proficient.

each named item or weapon can take 20 duplicate pieces as a donation (2 dono per proficiency level)

brands and gearsets will take an assorted 100 item donations with matching brand/gearset to make those proficient.

weapons are the biggest category so they are the best place to start when targettting specific loot types.
hopefully this is a bit clearer than my shorthand 😅

[near mason]

It did make sense yes thank you

So let's say i get a duplicate of a gun that is already proficient that duplicate won't donate?

[hexed steppe]

try and use a lot of skills and different specs from time to time, they all need to be leveled to hit max expertise, currently lvl 28.

[near mason]

Damn

Got a damn long way to go

Currently lvl 4

[hexed steppe]

nope, but whatever is left just deconstruct. when you have mats filling up, make a couple donations to specific skills you hate, or items you dont have, or cant get

[near mason]

Shiiiiii

Alright

Wish me luck cause this is gonna take me a damn long time

[hexed steppe]

i had a clan mate early on that did it all with running countdown /donating items, using random gear and he hit 20 in around 2 months (was the max back then). for 28 it would take maybe 3 months at his rate of gain

[near mason]

There are also no plans to make it to 30 or higher right

[hexed steppe]

every season sees it gain another level. this season puts us halfway to 29

[near mason]

😭😭

[near mason]

If i could join ur clan i don't want to spend to much time on it

[hexed steppe]

in pvp expertise has a bigger impact. if you just pve most of the time i wouldnt worry too much about how much you gain

if you regularly try new things youll gain a lot faster than you realize

[near mason]

Yeah i saw

[thin olive]

LMG negotiator is quite good. As long as you hit 3+ targets the dmg output is higher then striker.

[willow hinge]

The Expertise feature is there to reward players that use a lot of different weapons, armour pieces and skill variants. Treat as that, have fun trying out different builds, weapons and skills. Some you'll like, some you'll hate (donate these and donate materials to them to bring up their proficiency). That has been my experience, also Expertise should just be part of your normal routine when playing, just do your normal things and donate as part of going through your inventory. Same with the Attributes Library. Embrace the grind, enjoy the grind.

[willow hinge]

When you go into the Expertise menu you will see on the top left of the HUD a circle and some numbers. The big number in the middle is your current Expertise Level, the XXX/200 is how many ranks (each item has 10 ranks) you have towards getting to the next Expertise Level, i.e. you need to rank up 200 times for each Expertise Level. The numbers below the circle is the number of items/skills you have reached maximum proficiency out of the total number of items/skills. There is currently 417, when I first started four months ago, there was 406, they've added a new gear set and couple named weapons & armour pieces, plus that new monkey brand set since I started.

[sullen sun]

Are seeker mines considered explosive dmg?

[fair dragon]

Yes

[sullen sun]

If I put a pc of china light on my skill build I’m ok?

[fair dragon]

One of 3 explosive damage sources

[sullen sun]

I never use skill builds

[fair dragon]

1pc China Light and 2pc Grupo Sombra

[sullen sun]

@fair dragon ? 2 pc like this?

[shy willow]

Ideally you need a yellow core but yeah the rolls are good

Haste can be used in place of status effects if you're using seekers specifically but mortar cooldown is short enough anyway

[sullen sun]

Can you use overcharge on an explosive build?

ie future perfect?

[versed summit]

Yeah it can be useful.

[shy willow]

Capacitor naturally BIS but yeah a future perfect/in sync shotgun can be really nice

[hexed steppe]

use btsu and a stinger hive for oc

cap and insync shotgun for mortar. both 12%dta

need this beauty in your life
Mortar Supremacy

[shy willow]

Come to think of it with rogue momentum you could totally be constantly topped off and OC

[hazy hull]

Stoic constant Armour regen build

[shy willow]

Is your aim like just regen and tankiness

Acosta and aegis won't do much for you

You're better off going full high end PFE

[hazy hull]

Its my only exotic armour piece

[shy willow]

As a tip exotic pieces aren't always beneficial

They tend to be quite niche

For a tank type build the exotics you might wanna consider are catharsis and tardigrade

[hazy hull]

Will try to get them but even on challenging Exotics rarely drop

[subtle bluff]

You do not need an exotic for all builds.

Depends on what you're trying to do. I'm sure you've seen us talk bad on tank builds

Idk I haven't used my Foundry Bulwark for a long time.

Again depending what you're trying to do. Just remember you need to have a balance of still being able to kill stuff or help support it.

[shy willow]

FB unfortunately trash by extension

The one use it gets is iron horse

[hexed steppe]

hit up countdown. every 2 (15min) missions youll be able to buy an exo cache from cd vendor.
also priority objectives sometimes have exotics as a reward

[orchid abyss]

if i missed shades of red season, can i still get Centurion's Scabbard?

is it in the general loot pool now?

[frozen hull]

I believe so

[subtle bluff]

Yes

Well no you have to get out of loot box you can't target loot it till you do.

[thin olive]

Would Hermano make more sense on the skill version?

[little forum]

I want a AR and a SMG build

[solar sable]

Striker's

[little forum]

[thin olive]

Negotiator

[little forum]

How do I make a striker build

I’m also new to TD2

[subtle bluff]

Check out the PInned Messages.

Countdown and Summit are your friend.,

[hexed steppe]

For team buffing, use survivalist and get another 10% amp against status .

Those survivalist fire nades are good at proccing sledge, which would be a much better talent for pistol than perpetuation

[thin olive]

Will do. Ty

[rocky rain]

Some tips on how to easily get double kills with explosive skills? Which skill, which difficulty?

[patent fossil]

Mortar turret, anywhere with a group of enemies that hadn't seen you yet, low difficulty

[fair dragon]

Someone say mortar?

Yoooo

[rocky rain]

Been using seekers but with low succes

[thin olive]

Since you are no longer able to do them in Shooting Range.

• Grand Washington Hotel.
• Foam + Artillery Turret.
  As soon as you start the round there 5 guys one next to each other.
  So you can restart over and over for the fast kills.

[patent fossil]

Eg start of viewpoint museum is a popular one, you can just restart the mission to reset cooldowns and get another group of oblivious hostiles

[rocky rain]

Missed out on the range unfortunately

Thanks all

[fair dragon]

Pretty much any Public Execution on Challenging

[thin olive]

Is viewpoint better then hotel?
In hotel they run out to the box all together.

[fair dragon]

It's harder for you to hit moving targets

[patent fossil]

Solo there are only 3 at the start of hotel, viewpoint has a larger group walking slowly

(I think, haven't tested this extensively)

I know a lot of people recommend viewpoint for GE challenges like grenade kills

[thin olive]

With foam + arty he shoud be fine with any

[rocky rain]

Thanks again!

[edgy plank]

Morning everyone...want to do solo build.. ar sniper usually.. ideas? I have Nemesis and the one of the ars .. merciless I think? Just started after hiatus for a bit and hit lvl 40

[thin olive]

If you looking for a sniper build:

• White death + Hotshot + chainkiller + the gift.

Determined is quite the talent.

[urban latch]

Ideally you'd pick between sniper or AR, running both doesnt really pair well together

[edgy plank]

I do like sniper but they do get in my face ..I'll note this tho and take a shot at it

Bah yea I figured...I'm guessing I like ar more then I'm working on opening all the spec classes

On the sniper one now

[urban latch]

You want high base damage weapons when sniping, so pair that with a M870, magnum, or 1886 for close range

If you want to go with AR theres tons of builds for that, but you wouldnt want to run a sniper on those builds

[bold leaf]

First Sight is the perfect match

[edgy plank]

So sniper and handgun go? Not sniper and shotgun?

[thin olive]

I for one use Scorpio for when they do get in my face.
Because scorpio is just to good

Combined with Decoy + Demo Firefly

That firefly so good.
makes short work of Chungas / Dogs / Robots / True sons LMG guys.. basicly anything that will annoy you on the sniper build.

[edgy plank]

I will have to see what gear I got ..non of those look familiar but I have something to work towards at least

[urban latch]

you can reun a sniper, shotgun, and the magnum all together.

[edgy plank]

Gotcha

I have to try the summit to will that build work at all?

[urban latch]

sure. You might want to try a 1886 version. Its basically the run and gun version of a sniper, its frankly OP with determined

[thin olive]

Can it go over 25m ? I cant seem to make mine go over it.

Highest i've gotten mine is 31m ( no event bonuses )

[edgy plank]

So no exotics lol but then what do we grind forrrrrr

Also thank you guys

[peak meadow]

Could add a Regulus

[thin olive]

Not every build needs an exotic.

Unless you want to add Imperial Dynasty.. nr1 exotic in game

[edgy plank]

Lol yeah I just want to fill the wall of them

[empty gorge]

any strong dps/tank build ? 🙂

[versed summit]

4.14 HB AR Bruiser (TechTank) this works pretty well for solo heroic

[empty gorge]

and something with striker on legendary?

[versed summit]

Well if you're in a group you really need to go full DPS, probably bring a healer too.

If you're wanting to solo, I'd check this out Toastey's Legendary Guides, he goes over builds, and IMO more importantly, room by room strategies.

[empty gorge]

alright thanks

[worn mango]

I never understood artificer. You never have to do anything with it and it just works?

[versed summit]

Basically. It just prods every 10 seconds on your backpack.

You can place it down as well if needed tho, super nice on this build for proccing faraday

[worn mango]

Reaper burn on this is especially funny

Or pulse burn, whatever it's called

[patent fossil]

Microwave coils

[worn mango]

That's the ticket

I did forget how fun that build is

Especially when you're just zooming around lol

[versed summit]

Yeah I really liked it a while back, but I started having issues with heartbreaker stacks, and I just generally prefer strikers anyways.

[worn mango]

I think for HB you really have to leverage the shotgun

Take a short range and then disengage into long or continue to just blast away

[subtle bluff]

Ugh no kingbreaker tho... God when my ADHD doesn't pull me away from making guides after the few lines or update mx builder stuff..

[worn mango]

You mean you don't wanna use Kingbreaker? lol

[subtle bluff]

It's really really slow now. You want to use a fast rpm weapon for HB.

[worn mango]

Oh yeah that was my thoughts. Perfect Flatline doesn't make up for it

TKB is just objectively bad

Second worst HE AR essentially

[versed summit]

I hear that lmao

[warm knot]

Btw, are seekers builds actually a thing? I could only think about hard wired 🤔

[versed summit]

mostly with hardwired, you can also use it as a secondary skill on a mortar build.

they're just best on HW, so why use them elsewhere

[subtle bluff]

I enjoy HW. I normally start with mortar then most of the since I'm doing RMM leggo with it I hotswap to BTSU and healing hive.

[warm knot]

Yeah, but I usually go with sticky explosive/shield/stinger instead. The seekers cooldown is just too long. So how goes the hard wired build then?

[versed summit]

it's in the pinned spreadsheet, but it fixes the seekers cooldown

[subtle bluff]

I normally spam seekers on HW. Every 2 or 3ish seconds.

The trick is the 2nd skills to it needs to be able to be picked up and dropped again imo.

[warm knot]

Weird, I couldn't find it there. I'll look closely again.

[versed summit]

ah rip it is not

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1GN69iUrteLediJjwFtT9-MBe8HRBgyCHascJtok1Q-Y/edit

that's iKia's build template, and he has a guide on YT for it

[subtle bluff]

4pc HW chest and BP depending on what your main skill is. Since I'm seekers I go China light and glass or kinetic momentum and the BP depends.

[warm knot]

Ty, I'll give it a try

[worn mango]

My only thing I didn't like about seekers is that AI can seemingly dodge them easily which is frustrating

Got the Oxpecker, not sure what people were saying with this not being a fun weapon

This on HF is pretty fun with the modifiers

And all the lasers are fun to look at lol

[keen meteor]

I don’t think ppl are saying it’s not fun theyre just saying it’s suboptimal. Kinda like sure TP can be fun but nobody is gonna compliment it cause it’s mediocre

[worn mango]

I get that. I think just because it's not a sexy pick with some type of damage or whatever

But when you don't see your shield damage go down it's fun. It shoots so damn fast and aesthetically cool

[versed summit]

Honestly the aesthetics are my least favorite part.

[keen meteor]

If ur having fun keep using it lol

[versed summit]

But that ^

[worn mango]

It's more for the expertise once again

I meant more the aeshetics of lasers go brrtt

Just funny that we can take an MP7 and slap some 3d printed parts on it and call it a day

[keen meteor]

It looks like a prop for a 2000s scifi film

Mixed with a power tool

[worn mango]

I'm all for campy stuff, makes the game have charm

To me that's what an exotic is, something that's just unique, doesn't even have to be practical

[subtle bluff]

Free CC to my eyes when that happens and the only time I really use HW is in leggo so it's CC from them shooting at us.

[subtle bluff]

If base weapon MP7 was bad to be not nerfed into the ground from tu21 it would be good but it's current dps leaves a lot on the table vs a better weapon that'll double it's dps and something else that can heal shield.

[thorny kernel]

Just got the BTSU Datagloves so now i wanna make a restorer hive support build. Anything specific that needs to be in there aside from BTSU and Restorer?

[red island]

future initiative build is good

[thorny kernel]

So 4 parts FI + BTSU. What should i use for the 6th armor part?

[red island]

hana u iirc is a good brand

for cooldowns

[versed summit]

The setup

There’s a build template in the pinned spreadsheet

[red island]

its also a good bag

but it depends whats your goal

if you plan on doing mostly heals, FI bag is better, if you plan on helping your team dps, then setup is better

[subtle bluff]

Even then if you're healing that much that means your team needs to do more DPS.

[red island]

i mean with FI your team already does 25% more dps

setup only affect targets you hit

[last crescent]

Any good status effect build?

I saw someone with burning effect just killing everybody on the match

[red island]

check ppinned message, there is a few

eclipse protocol is great

[last crescent]

❤️

no homo yk

[red island]

you say that but im fully open

[thorny kernel]

Lmao

[versed summit]

Only reason to take FI bag is for empathic buff on chest while keeping btsu IMO

[versed summit]

You can hit a lot of targets, and 15% amp is pretty significant for content that you actually need a healer in

[subtle bluff]

15% AMP from ANY source of dmg where FI is only TWD or Total Skill Dmg.

You'd be amazed how much 15% then another 20% can do.

[red island]

well its 35%

maffs

🤓

[versed summit]

:/

Also if you don’t want the setup, which you really should, you can take hermano for the sustain buffs and skill haste buffs.

[red island]

yeah i like this bag

[versed summit]

I’ve heard it’s good in PvP

[red island]

pvp is different, especially cooldowns

[versed summit]

Yeah…

Oh are you talking about hermano now?

My bad

[subtle bluff]

That's not how you math the damage for these. Both numbers are 25% x 15% after everything else.

[red island]

it was a joke man 😭

i thought the 2 next lines gave it away

[subtle bluff]

Idk if you know or not.

murr

[red island]

i studied maths in uni dw

even if its been a long time since then

[onyx sage]

so that's 3.75%?

[subtle bluff]

sir....

[red island]

Refractor, rouge, oreo, engel barrel

[magic pilot]

Engel burger

[drifting meadow]

Can you get St Elmo's from summit?

[onyx sage]

yes

[drifting meadow]

is summit most effective or countdown?

[onyx sage]

countdown

[drifting meadow]

Ok thanks bro aaw_yeah

bruh gif didnt work

[subtle bluff]

IMO Summit 90th Floor farm > CD then > Summit 10th's.

[worn mango]

No doubt, MP7 is ranked 9th for me. It's mid pack right now

90th floor that good huh?

I still need to do Summit to get Ridgeway's. Can't bring myself to finding the keys lol

[heavy gulch]

I am SHD level 38 and not sure what the best course of action to get a good build is for me. Anyone able to help? I'm currently doing all right on Hard with 1 directive (armor break). Mainly just been finishing up story missions and working on my Library.

Ran Gunner up to max points, now leveling other classes.

[subtle bluff]

Most of the hardest stuff I've had to farm like Red FI and weird stuff 90th always does better for me. Even better with a group IMO

[worn mango]

Hit up the build document and run beginners first red or get a strikers kit. From there, continue going up in difficulty to get better pieces. All red striker will carry you through open world and getting up into heroic

Here's strikers, take a peak around the doc and see if there's anything else that sounds interesting. But your main goal now getting to SHD 1000 to max out your watch
https://lite.evernote.com/note/0ee25268-ad51-0dd8-be36-f12373c7630a

While filling your library with as many max rolls and talents as possible

[heavy gulch]

Thanks!

[worn mango]

Interesting. I'll have to give it a run eventually. Gets me my Ridgeway parts to get up to 90 lol

I've been looking to get a double crit unbreakable Grupo so also a good excuse

[heavy gulch]

Are different zones/activities better for targetted loot? Like I know you can't set targetted loot on specific places, it's random, but if I'm targetting 2 different things and let's say one is DZ and one's on a Main Mission.. which one would be better to do? Or are all activities pretty similar?

[worn mango]

Countdown targeted is going to be your best bet at the level you are because of amount of enemies and teamwork. Where you're playing on hard, you typically wouldn't get good rolls. And if you don't have a PVP build, you'll probably struggle.

If something happens to be on the open world, do control points and any activity and you're more than likely going to get a piece or two

[heavy gulch]

Thanks again!

And am I misunderstanding the directive, or shouldn't armor kits restore the armor breaks? Seems like they were before, but now they won't. Is that a glitch?

[proven merlin]

Its a glitch in certain missions and areas

Its a pain which is why i usually never run it

[subtle bluff]

It's been buggy forever. It dumb and they can't fix it. Just go back to the Whitehouse to reset and maybe it'll work again.

[warm knot]

Sometimes being revived by my hive fixes that.

[hexed steppe]

I wouldn't worry too much about directives tbh. Just focus on getting through challenging then heroic as you progress. Easiest directive is gonna be fog, as a bonus itll test your memory of spawns . Once you got those down you're skating through content.

In the beginning it's the build that carries you a bit, but once your knowledge is set itll flip flop and you'll be able to carry most questionable builds through the same content 😅

[worn mango]

Just don't let anyone convince you mortar is good

[onyx sage]

this guy

[shy willow]

[worn mango]

Blasphemy

[proven merlin]

Mortar on PvP in DZ is nutty, most people arent expecting it and a 2 second stagger animation will usually win you most fights unless you run into a chad running sawyers kneepads

[fair dragon]

Mortar doesn't need convincing. Those who don't use it are missing out.

[worn mango]

Literal propaganda broadcasts happening right now

Mortar is love
Mortar is life
All hail Natalia Mortarlova

[fair dragon]

Go and solo Capitol Legendary using turdro without using your gun and tell me how it goes

[hexed steppe]

We grow stronger everyday 😎
-# Mortar Supremacy

[languid apex]

whats a good secondary for this build

[hexed steppe]

no mortar, decon

youll want to stay on pesti so opportunistic may not be the strongest choice

[worn mango]

Jokes on you, I hate all skills equally

[fair dragon]

: 🤔

[proven merlin]

how do you manage to complete anything

[hexed steppe]

tbh, you could vigilance the bag and run an ar or rifle secondary

[proven merlin]

tier 0 rage bait

[fair dragon]

Tbf he can use the skills he hates

[proven merlin]

then he wouldnt be a true hater

[worn mango]

Nah I just generally don't like skill builds so it's really not even bait. I'll just use stuff that goes with fun dps and whatnot

[hexed steppe]

kinda hard to hate revive hive... im sure it gets a lot of use

[worn mango]

Can't get used when you don't have it equipped and just respawn lol

[proven merlin]

4/6 of my builds have reviver

op as heck when it comes to solo

[fair dragon]

I wonder if you mean you hate both hybrids and pure skill builds

[worn mango]

I let my ego take over and self hate while playing makes me not use revive hive

[fair dragon]

And support builds

[worn mango]

I've never had to run a healer. Support to me is OD so I use foam. The rest of the stuff I generally use is striker, HB, HF and PFE nonsense

This season with the rolly polly olly balls of death made me aware of my disdain for the colour yellow

[proven merlin]

wtf is pfe

[worn mango]

Protection from elites

[proven merlin]

i dont think ive ever seen anyone use that let alone abbreviate it

[worn mango]

I suppose not so much a build but a concept

[fair dragon]

PFE is underrated

[worn mango]

Preach

[proven merlin]

Idk mane, seems like a waste of a mod slot

[worn mango]

Face tank hunters you say? Hmm yes quite

[onyx sage]

i used it in my first tidal solo

[fair dragon]

Well, it's a compromise for more survivability

[onyx sage]

now i stopped

[worn mango]

Opportunistic brazen shotgun laughs at mods

[onyx sage]

full red all the way

[fair dragon]

This guy

[worn mango]

That guy

[proven merlin]

full red or skill repair

[fair dragon]

Red Refactor

[worn mango]

I bet he runs Red FI solo

[proven merlin]

i dont use future initiative

[fair dragon]

ReDfractor @onyx sage

[proven merlin]

i cba to do anything that isnt point and click

[hexed steppe]

mortar is point and click

[proven merlin]

i use hotshot

[fair dragon]

You click, I don't

[proven merlin]

point at head, click

25mil dmg

[fair dragon]

I soloed Capitol Legendary without pressing LMB

[worn mango]

Imagine not hitting for 32M

[fair dragon]

I am the final boss

[proven merlin]

dont need to hit 32

everything dies at 17-19

[worn mango]

But bigger number equals better

[proven merlin]

blud has never heard of fractions

[fair dragon]

Imagine not killing 4 enemies at once

[worn mango]

Collateral

[proven merlin]

mortar superiority

[worn mango]

I do actually have to build mortar eventually just to say I have it

I'll use it once, die, hate it, sits in inventory purgatory forever

[fair dragon]

Collateral would be a Regulus HH

[hexed steppe]

youll be a convert sooner or later

[worn mango]

Lol

I do need to get a China chest tomorrow so that'll be the start

[fair dragon]

It's ok, I know it can be hard to aim for CCTV cameras console players

[proven merlin]

🗿

[worn mango]

I'll have you know I have half a thumb of dexterity

[fair dragon]

I wouldn't be able to do it with a controller either

[proven merlin]

i dont understand how ppl have a hard time with roller its like the easiest thing ever

[worn mango]

I have hall effect sticks and mouse click buttons, I'm basically a PC without the errors

[fair dragon]

Mortar aiming also doesn't have aim assist

[proven merlin]

its just a big ass circle on the ground though, kinda hard not to hit anything

[hexed steppe]

hahahaha, ok

[worn mango]

Challenge accepted

[fair dragon]

For stationary targets, yes

But elite enemies tend to uh... Roll away...

[proven merlin]

its a big circle and projectile travel is anywhere from 1-3 seconds.

[worn mango]

Can't roll away when I striker brrrrtttttt them

[fair dragon]

And rogue agents are your dance monkeys

[proven merlin]

sounds like a skill issue

🗿

[worn mango]

1v1 rust mortar only

[hexed steppe]

ig if you mortar something like 3m from the turret maybe. you need good timing if you want to be successful at mortar

[fair dragon]

Predicting where enemies will move

[proven merlin]

ehhhhhhh, i had a harder time with it on challenging than on heroic

[fair dragon]

Like 5 seconds in advance

[hexed steppe]

long shots. strategic use of obstacles to hit areas not in los

all takes skill

[proven merlin]

idk mane what youre telling me sounds like a skill issue, theyre AI enemies with predictable cover movement

its not rocket science

[worn mango]

Mortar science though

[hexed steppe]

mortar also not something that can be supported by determined

[onyx sage]

dammit!

[hexed steppe]

js

[worn mango]

What if you could get a slug mortar though

[hexed steppe]

you mean napalm? i wish

[solar sable]

refr- nah not saying it

[hexed steppe]

refried beans?

[worn mango]

Napalm mortar would be neat. Trails of fire

[proven merlin]

fire 🔥

[worn mango]

This set of modifiers has made me wonder if they'd ever add slots to skills for effect modifiers

Would probably get op quick I'd imagine

[hexed steppe]

if that was the special turret they gave with exuro, it woulda been a big hit

[worn mango]

And yet we got a toy turret

[proven merlin]

They’d need to completely revamp skills in order to do that

[worn mango]

Oh absolutely, it could even be implemented in 3 and maybe this is a slight play test for that

[hexed steppe]

its already pretty op for skills. op for headshot builds as well. stupid fast momentum climb with a lot of setup

[worn mango]

Oh no doubt

I never played 1, were there as many skills in there as in 2? I feel better design would be to have one skill for each and you just modify the platform. No need to have 3 or 4 in each category. But at the end you're either micromanaging mods or skills

[proven merlin]

Significantly less

[hexed steppe]

i think i been getting the most use out of hb lately tho, since the coils/reaper combo is pretty good for llp

[worn mango]

I was having a ton of fun with that today

That slight burn to make them stand up and run around makes it so much quicker

Well not run, pace around lightly

[hexed steppe]

easy cc for sure

[worn mango]

Firewall shield isn't technically pulse is it?

[shy willow]

There were less but they were all busted in their own way

[worn mango]

Interesting

[proven merlin]

No

[fair dragon]

Airburst mortars 👀

And mushroom cloud visual effect

[shy willow]

The division already has war crime tech why not just make it a whole nuclear bomb

[proven merlin]

its not a war crime the first time

[sullen sun]

Anybody got a shiny monkey build?

An optimal one

[proven merlin]

honestly, there are better options for skill builds

[fair dragon]

Let them cook

[forest rampart]

is there any obvious exotics that would fit into this build nicely? or is this going to suck in general?
heartbreaker with nightwatcher & contractor's gloves and bluescreen? (the armor in the SC still needs is minor attributes rerolled)

[proven merlin]

depends on what youre building into, i'd always recommend coyotes mask for DMG

you could also use memento for all around usage, waveform for skills, ot even vile for status

[subtle bluff]

The issue here is getting things pulsed reliably.

[proven merlin]

there was a CC who recently made a video about bluescreen im pretty sure it was RogueGold, you could also check his channel or NBS2.0 or Tuxbandito

[forest rampart]

that was the point of bluescreen & nightwatcher

[subtle bluff]

Oh it's nightwatcher.. Ok then um.. you need CHC if you're looking to do more damage.

You don't need exotics for every build. Memento is a good solo exo.

[proven merlin]

Vile mask would probably be your best bet for dmg debuff, but you can experiment with other exotics

[subtle bluff]

I've not a fan of bluescreen.

[subtle bluff]

No.

[proven merlin]

🤨

[subtle bluff]

That's for when you're doing dmg with status effects.

[proven merlin]

pulse is a status..........

[proven merlin]

just experiment with different exotics and mostly ignore people who gatekeep you into the same 3 meta builds

[subtle bluff]

Status effects also apply a damage over time debuff for 10s.
Total Damage dealt is equal to 50% of your concussion grenade damage and is increased by your status effect attributes.
If you're not stating into Static Effect it's not gonna last long or be efficient to make it worth it.

WTF gatekeep?

Meta... Tell what's meta and that I say anything about it for solo play?

[onyx sage]

it isn't

[proven merlin]

forgot im using JAMMER pulse, which is disrupt 💀

massive L moment

[shy willow]

If people want off meta shit we give them off meta shit lol

But most people come here looking for something at the top of its class so

[heavy gulch]

what's the best way to farm Coyote mask?

[solar sable]

Challenging Countdown with Mask TL

[heavy gulch]

how do I change TL?

[solar sable]

hover your cursor to summit or countdown logo and then on the bottom part of your screen it says Change Targeted Loot

[heavy gulch]

❤️

[granite cedar]

Hey folks. I missed a couple seasons. Is st Elmo’s striker still BiS dps??

[subtle bluff]

BiS for damage it's up there. It's still a good weapon

[granite cedar]

Cheers. Casual Challenging player here and it’s still doing good. I guess no need to deep dive the new gear. Might have a dabble with them.

[solar sable]

how long have you been out?

[granite cedar]

Couple of seasons. Maybe last 3 or 4. Usually muck around in them and don’t get all the way to the last mission cause I pick up another game.

[torpid mica]

Finally completed a mission on challenging. Used the banshee can anyone tell me why it works so well with the heartbreaker because I’ve literally spent hours on that level and this actually wasn’t that difficult

Got the coyote mask too

[bright raptor]

because Banshee pulses targets and stuns them, both are great for building stacks

better still is the Technician specialization laser that pulses any and every enemy you aim at

[warped vale]

what should my striker build consist of with the st elmo gun

[warped vale]

?

[bright raptor]

other thing is an ACS-12 shotgun

[warm knot]

I run 2 Lexingtons with killer/strained (for the vibes ) and BLB

[patent fossil]

There's a few options depending on preferences and content, you can check the guide in the pinned spreadsheet.
Popular options for most content are Ceska obliterate chest with coyotes mask, or The Sacrifice chest with providence or ceska vigilance backpack.

[warm knot]

Btw, is there something like crit dmg% cap? I might be doing something wrong, but I could only get ~100k more dmg with my killer Lexington than I could with elmo's in my ND build.

[red island]

there isnt a cap on crit damage, only on crit chance

try getting other damage sources to help

[warm knot]

I dunno, it's just weird. I'm somewhere at 201 chd with elmos, and 184 with Lexington. I mean, 70%+ chc from killer should hit harder than 100k. 🤔

[red island]

you got too much chc

its capped at 60

[warm knot]

Nope, both are at 52% iirc

I'm running coyotes btw

[red island]

coyote give you chc or chd depending on distance

[warm knot]

Yeah

[red island]

you gotta compare your base damage to crit damage

it doesnt mean anything to hit 100k

depends on your build and your buffs

[warm knot]

I'm not sure how it goes with elmo's vs Lexington, pretty sure they're close.

[red island]

it depends on the rest of your build, what is your gear ?

[warm knot]

Coyotes, grupo chest/obliterate, 4px ND. Elmo's and Lexington, both at 18 exp.

Lexington talent is killer.

[red island]

how much do you hit on no crit ?

[warm knot]

I'll have to look more carefully once I get home. I think I must be missing something. Cuz again, base dmg aside, I think on a scale 70% from killer crit would weigh more. 🤔

[red island]

killer isnt 70% ?

or did it get buffed ?

[warm knot]

I'm not sure about the exact numbers, but somewhere at 750k with elmo's (max ND stacks). I'll check once I get home.

[warm knot]

I think it got buffed from 40 to 70. Perfect killer went from 50 to 90.

[red island]

nice

[patent fossil]

No cap on chd but you do get diminishing returns, if you were at 200% chd and added another 60%, your damage would only go up by 20%

[slow ocean]

Played a random heroic mission with a player that mained Bluescreen, Coyote's, Strikers, and Banshee pulse. They did 2 billion damage...

[pure estuary]

Do u guys have any beginner builds to recommend that can solo everything? like at least heroic difficulty.

my skill build is pretty decent below heroic but I still can't do heroic easily as other people

I heard they made the game alot harder recently so i'm okay if I can't solo content as long as I find some upgrade to my build. i thought my build was maxed out except for some stats so idk why its so underwhelming

[red island]

any dps build on the spreadsheet basically

if you want an easy one, the hotshot build is the easiest you can get its also really effective and fast

[pure estuary]

Okay thanks. I was worried about dps build because I feel like it has more weaknesses than skill builds, like the only weakness is emp abilities

rn i'm using turret and drone build since I started the game

[red island]

if you just started the game, try the basic striker build for dps

and see how it goes

[pure estuary]

i been playing a long time. I just never learned how to min max a build

[patent fossil]

DPS builds are effective in all content, once you learn positioning skills well enough to not get shot much

[pure estuary]

okay thanks I guess i'll try it. I'm just tired of waiting for enemies to die safely and slowly

I want to clear content faster

[patent fossil]

But the spreadsheet linked in the pinned messages has a variety of good builds by experts

[red island]

if you're slow it usually means your build isnt good, try copying a dps build from the spreadsheet and you should go much faster

even on heroic

[pure estuary]

I been using this for so long cus it was better than whatever I was using originally.

okay thanks

do u know which one is hotshot?

[patent fossil]

Sniper setups

Drone turret is safe and easy but much slower than a good dps build

[red island]

try getting striker build instead, its easier to farm and will be good in every situation

use that build to farm hotshot

[pure estuary]

Okay thanks alot

hotshot is it the same as nemesis build?
I saw that nsiper build before

seemed interesting

thanks alot btw guys.

[red island]

nemesis is just the start of the chain, its not your main weapon

think of it as igniter, but the other sniper will be your main fuel

[patent fossil]

Nemesis is too slow for most content, you don't usually need that much damage to 1-shot everything, just the occasional boss maybe

And yeah it can help start a HH chain if you've only got elites to work with

[red island]

the main weapon will be a sniper with determined as talent

to keep the chain

[patent fossil]

But then so can tac 50, or just shooting the same enemy a few times

[red island]

yeah but that require spacial ammo

nemesis doesnt

[shy willow]

Mantis gets a 50 percent amp which makes first shots hit super hard

[pure estuary]

do u guys have any advice on how to farm effectively? I feel like i'm always doing it wrong.

[placid latch]

Sniper setup

Skill build are probably the slowest

[placid latch]

Nah because it also got 50% less base damage

[red island]

do countdown on challengin or summit on heroic

[timid plume]

How come people often recommend doing countdown on challenging instead of heroic? is it more likely to drop certain pieces or something?

[shy willow]

efficiency

[placid latch]

Almost the same loot but since the opponent got a lot less health you can just shred through them quickly

[patent fossil]

also people who aren't already very familiar with countdown and have strong builds are going to struggle a lot with heroic, and reduce the chance of the team extracting successfully

[pure estuary]

would u guys recommend mememto striker or normal?

I kinda realised idl the stacking aspect lol

[patent fossil]

Depends on the content you're doing. Memento is great for solo, not so much in groups

[timid plume]

i have always solo que'd heroic and the times I had a group that was unable to finish it can be counted on a single hand.

[red island]

its not that people fail the countdown, its that its much faster in challenging to get more rewards

[heavy gulch]

Why can't I extract Headshot Damage from this?

[red island]

you cant extract named talents and named stats, white death headshot damage if far superior cause its only for that weapon

[placid latch]

You can't extract any yellow talents or stats because that's the bonus from the named item.
On the same page, you can't change the yellow stat/talent on the tinkering station.

Else a lot of people would use it to make some unicorn item

[cloud raptor]

Does anyone have a good PVP build

Spread sheet won’t load for me 😭

[patent fossil]

#td2-pvp-discussions message

[plush field]

Me need PVP conflict Build for EB send picture and stats

[versed summit]

https://lite.evernote.com/note/e276d9da-3885-ebd9-5354-35b77ed1c75c

[stable marten]

Anyone got a good pesti build for harder content???? 😃

[hexed steppe]

Look into negotiators dilemma, good both with/without memento. Ceska chest with glass/oblit , either memento or coyote. Solid ar and rifle and you're gold. No stacks needed, talent makes it capable of outdamaging striker in a target rich environment

[red island]

wait

does crit chance affect skills ?

[versed summit]

No

Well

I think turdro can technically crit, but they don’t get any benefits from CHD

So they do the same damage

Or maybe that’s just headshot

[patent fossil]

that's headshot - they can't crit

[red island]

i def remember skills could crit

but idk if its affected by crit chance on build or what

[charred eagle]

Does the centurion holster always roll with weapon handling and crit chance or can it roll different attributes?

[onyx sage]

just those 2

[red island]

exotic stats are usually fixed

[torn raven]

could someone explain to me how to make a proper build for pve

[hexed steppe]

check out the pinned spreadsheet. there are a bunch of guides to follow. suggest striker, fire eclipse, turret drone, hotshot sniper to start. then branch off as you get familiar with the system

links at the end of each build line opens a detailed breakdown

pinned spreadsheet in this channel📌 , sorry wasnt clear

[fair dragon]

If they could, then they would be meta

[prisma seal]

I'm currently wearing Strikers gear with st elmos, what is another good build to try out thats not a skill build.

[versed summit]

Could try Negotiator's Dilemma

[solar sable]

Hotshot
Hunters Fury
Nego
HE DPS
Heartbreaker

[thorny kernel]

Going for a BTSU hive healer build, are there any weapons i should use with it?

[hexed steppe]

scorpio/lefty. with survivalist. both team buff

[hexed steppe]

ill second nego , everyone needs a nego build

[prisma seal]

ill try that one out. thanks!

[thorny orchid]

doc home as well

[thorny kernel]

How do i get those?

[solar sable]

Scorpio & Lefty > Shotgun TL
Survivalist > Specialization

[solar sable]

as well as mortar

[fair dragon]

Yes

[red island]

farming grupo sombra skill haste and damage is a pain

really a unicorn

[versed summit]

Craft if you can

[red island]

cant

[versed summit]

Rip

[near mason]

The build I used for the Incursion is 4piece striker (backpack, chest, holster and gloves while the gloves are armor rest is weapon damage) coyote's mask and Fox's Prayer kneepads and the guns i used were St Elmo's and rocknroll to get the stacks up fast for the skills crusader shield and reviver hive

[thorny kernel]

Dangit, don't have st elmos yet

[near mason]

@thorny kernel

[thorny kernel]

And I've never heard of rocknroll

[thorny kernel]

Ye im here

[near mason]

Named shotgun

It's talent is Perfectly Extra and it 50% extra magazine

I don't have Lefty I'm currently farming for one cause that one gives extra weapon damage I heard

[subtle bluff]

You don't need Elmo's or rock n roll for it

Any ACS12 will do.

[versed flame]

A vest is useless in the open world, however, as is one piece of armor.

[near mason]

Yeah indeed that was just my own preferences

[subtle bluff]

Their talking about for incursion

[near mason]

True..

[subtle bluff]

RnR is BiS for Striker Chest. Also Fox's and AR's isn't BiS for dps.

[versed flame]

Merit Manor?

[subtle bluff]

Incursion yes.

[near mason]

?

I don't know any of the abbreviations u used

[versed flame]

aaa ...ok!)))👍

[subtle bluff]

RnR (Rock n Roll) BiS (Best in Slot)

AR's Assault Rifles.

[near mason]

Aahh

[subtle bluff]

But yeah for AR's Fox's isn't the best because you're having to slot in for CHC so Ceska wins out.

SMG builds where you have a lot of CHC already then Fox's can be better depending.

CHC (Crit Hit Chance)

[magic pilot]

decent not the best

[near mason]

I saw it on yt tried it on heroic mission first and then incursion

[magic pilot]

itll do fine if you are just running casually

[thorny kernel]

What specialization should i use for an incursion striker build?

[versed summit]

Demo gunner or firewall

[thorny kernel]

Sticking to gunner then

[solar berry]

I enjoy gunner with striker alot personally

Ammo resupply overtime, arm on kill and rof after kill

[thorny kernel]

I like gunner a lot for the passive ammo regen

[near mason]

Either gunner or firewall will work

[solar berry]

Firewall is also great for teamplay, and bonus dmg due to shield

[near mason]

Exactly

[solar berry]

Both is the BiS for striker, just defensive or offensive spec fields

[near mason]

You could also use 6 reds

This one I got from a friend

[thorny kernel]

Since i don't have StElmos, does Bighorn suffice?

[near mason]

And damn it hits HARD

[solar berry]

For max dps, ye

[thorny kernel]

Or i go with Pestilence

[near mason]

4 piece striker all maxed out chc or chd (backpack, chest, mask and kneepads) contractor gloves and centurion scabbard exotic holster

[near mason]

Guns i used were RNR( looking for lefty) and pestilence

[solar berry]

Lefty is good asf, I use rof attribute, rof attachment. Zooming through stacks

[near mason]

Farm AR in countdown

[solar berry]

And throw gunner foam nade for more dmg

[tacit trail]

Hi guy

[near mason]

If you want to send me ur psn we'll play countdown u farm AR and i farm AR we'll definitely get St Elmo's

[onyx sage]

gunner foam nade doesn't proc sledge

[near mason]

I'll give u the gun since I got multiple of them

[solar berry]

Mmm 🤔

[near mason]

@thorny kernel

[onyx sage]

i mean it's easy to test

[thorny kernel]

You would? That'd be awesome

[solar berry]

I always seen sledge icon pop up tho

[near mason]

Yeah man

[onyx sage]

test again

[subtle bluff]

You need to do Dmg with to get Sledge to proc.

[hexed steppe]

mortar makes it worth farming

[tacit trail]

my friend and I recently started playing, we want to go through the "Descent" mode, but it's a bit difficult together, maybe someone wants to help us?

[onyx sage]

literally all other grenades proc sledge

except foam nade

[subtle bluff]

Go to your LFG channel for that plz. This channel is for builds

[thorny kernel]

Aight, my psn is on my discord profile lol

[near mason]

U can also copy my build if u have the pieces

[tacit trail]

ohh okay thanks

[thorny kernel]

Can you dm me a screenshot of your build?

[near mason]

Can't see it

[thorny kernel]

Huhh

[near mason]

And yeah

[subtle bluff]

If you're asking for advice and not LFG then yes use on of these 3 channels.

[thorny kernel]

I'll just dm you my psn

[hexed steppe]

this channel has image perms if you just want to post a ss

might be easier than fiddle fkking with adding/inspecting

[onyx sage]

inb4 phone shaky screenshot

[hexed steppe]

almost called you to bail me out of roos leg 👴 . we got our shit together and dominated tho 😎 .

[red island]

yeah i know, but its still a pain, right now i made a build with waveform, im only missing some skill haste stats and some optimization on skill damage

so its not bad

where do you use that build the most ?

[onyx sage]

too pro

[red island]

oh yeah i still need to do legendaries someday

[hexed steppe]

mortar, everywhere. only in cd if i need sacrifices tho

but open world, missions/ invaded, summit all mortar well

[red island]

i wish it was better vs chungas

[hexed steppe]

thats where hive+capacitor comes in

then oc and have the hive back again really quick while you continuously rain hell down

[red island]

how oc ?

[hexed steppe]

you keep shooting the chain and he cant shoot you

[fair dragon]

BTSU gloves

[hexed steppe]

i use btsu

[red island]

ah

[fair dragon]

I like a pure skill playstyle

[red island]

im using waveform for now

[hexed steppe]

but with overdrive modifier you can oc on demand too

[red island]

i dont have it yet

[hexed steppe]

looks like you got some catching up, get on it. its pretty dope as an active modifier

[red island]

can you link me your build ?

[hexed steppe]

slightly different layouts on the different alts. you could use a wyvern and hanna in the grupo spots and still do quite well

its also in my profile if you want to look at an evernote style guide

and on the sheet

[red island]

this is what i got for now

[hexed steppe]

looks good, perfect combined arms is a bit harder to use, but adds 10% total skill damage , and being single source its pretty much 2x 30% amps when figured in with sacrifice

i would test an insync shotgun and compare with test subject and see if the extra dta outweighs the extra insync 10% bonus. im not 100 which is better tbh

[subtle bluff]

I like having the The Mop and In Sync in hand

[hexed steppe]

same, its pretty nice for a quick proc when there is no time to stack cap

[subtle bluff]

Free Armor on Kill is nice

[fair dragon]

Which is mostly irrelevant if you're constantly in cover

[subtle bluff]

Should be....

[fair dragon]

But I think it would be handy in solo Leggies

[subtle bluff]

I never use my skill dmg builds with you.... 🐐s & 🐧s

[fair dragon]

🤔

[subtle bluff]

wait there's only one 🐧 I play with. lol

[fair dragon]

Yes no goats

[hexed steppe]

for some reason them drone operators always know what cover youre in

[fair dragon]

Oh they do

All enemies do

It's like your position gets pinged to their radar

[subtle bluff]

At least your last known location.

[red island]

yeah, but doing anything update your location for them

or if a shotgunner comes around and see you left

[subtle bluff]

Rusher should always be the first targets to focus.

[red island]

yeah but if you do : they know where you are