td2-pvp-discussions

[rapid dirge]

what was even the point lol... alll that grind for oro just for chatterbox to be better

oh i wanted to ask in a close range 1v1 would it be more optimal to flick sticky on enemy body or ground?

tried both yet most times either hit myself or it just went into cooldown

[wet badger]

its not so simple, the ouro had no buff that affected DPS, the chatterbox needs at least 2/3 stacks to match ouro pre-nerf

[wet badger]

ground always, and avoid its path crossing their legs or whatever

[rapid dirge]

Wdym by the legs part?

What mods do u use on your sticky?

This is probs more situational but at what point do u fire sticky usually?

[wet badger]

right before u shoot, to block of a lane to ensure a close range medkit

[rapid dirge]

sorry for all the q.s but is a close range medkit a spec bonus or something? or u just mean the actual distance?

[tawdry pier]

i believe they mean an opportunity to pop a medkit despite opponent being close to you
a sticky to the ground right before you go to a corner ensures that

unless the enemy just rolls

[rapid dirge]

Ah I see. The enemy can’t see that sticky outline on the floor can they?

[craggy trench]

they can, either they react fast enough and roll or get staggered though

[golden ermine]

They fight bad players,lol, trust. Or some know how to play the build well

[rapid dirge]

@craggy trench what skills do u use with ar pvp build? doesnt say on ever note

[tardy thistle]

You can also use a sticky to stagger someone out of healing, stagger them out of cover for shooting or push someone holding a corner.

[rapid dirge]

yep its defo great when shot at the correct place! still trying to get the hang of trying to depoy it fast in gunfights

[neat musk]

entirely up to you

theres lots of opinions and preferences. try out emp sticky, decoy, foam etc

can even use hive to annoy people

on that build its really just whatever works for you

[wet badger]

The sticky is simply the most versatile skill, I find it hard to replace, decoy is essential for sneaky pushes, on most of my AR setups it's some kind of a sticky and a decoy.

[mossy solstice]

Soon as I hear the PLOONK of the sticky, I know to roll

Too many cheaters on this game that'll aimbot you with one it's not even funny 😩

[mossy solstice]

Might need to get some practice in with it 🔥

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwVgtKYMxgTHYAMSXLajiBcAOBNgFZD1TNUth54D88yHMsAWQ4Z6Ccxnygdnxce3JrA7AY1EcNJZ4HKAPYFm4duOYA2biw5rtVOMija+2hnOYFw56RU2V47CLYtK2MoA

^^ if anyone is looking to give a nice AR build to try (PvE + pvp compatible), I actually recommend this one. Can switch the mask out for coyote or catharsis and even swap the guns out too. You can even modify some of the cores of the build for more damage or survivability. Pretty tame setup, solid in solo and team play

[wet badger]

I use a mouse button to insta cast and Q to detonate

A triple tap on q works too but then u sacrifice a movement key which can aid in landing it accurately

[mossy solstice]

I can't remember what settings I'm using but I am using mouse buttons and Q/E

I think my MB is for shooting and Q is for detonate

I typically use mouse buttons for the shield. Q to deploy, mouse button retract. Something about "aim skill" setting and "instant use" setting binds

[wet badger]

Yeah I hope with div 3 the Devs sort out the bindings properly.

For example u can use insta cast to deploy a shield but u can't press it to put it away.

If you perform tasks during an insta cast, especially with the sticky the insta cast behaves like a double click of the main skill bind which causes me to hold the sticky in my hand effectively killing me.

[mossy solstice]

Bruh 💀💀

I noticed with the firing range bug you could simultaneously put away a shield and throw cluster mines. Really really solid if you get the timing just right

[wet badger]

It's almost as if the Devs themselves didn't make insta cast it's own bind but made a built in macro

🤦

[mossy solstice]

so many comments i could take with this but wont 😭 😂

[mystic fiber]

Is there a weapon talent or something in this game that gives you i guess more ammo drops in conflict while not using the gunnee specialisation?

[limber cedar]

OD I think, but I don't see why you need more ammo

[mystic fiber]

Im running a support pestilence build all blues armor regen with survivalist and tardi but i keep running out of ammo cus im basiclly tickling the enemy 🤣

[limber cedar]

Use Iron lung, it's more useful burning the enemies so your teammates get a chance to down/kill them instead of doing low damage ticks with the pestilence.

[mystic fiber]

True but once u get max stacks on pesti ur doing around a 100k per tick wich means all those all red umbras are dropping like flies

Spexially if they have a bunk puahing u get ur stacks on the bunk and it affects the umbras in the back

[limber cedar]

All they need to do is to take cover and use kits, it doesn't look very helpful, especially when the spread effect only deals 50% of the last stacked enemy AND if a Regen guy tries to fight you, your pestilence will not save you most of the time.

[mystic fiber]

Well ur rlly not meat to facetank a dps player but more like get stacks and move around

[mystic fiber]

But true that is a valid point this build works also like as a distraction while dps in ur team beam from ur back

[true snow]

what kind of builds are used in conflict? is adrush/unbreakable a thing still?

also should i use unbreakble (fenris piece) or perf efficient (firewall spec)

[wet badger]

If u tend to just run in like an ape and facetank u take UB, if u have more than 2 braincells take efficient.

In Conflict there's a slew of builds I'm not that familiar with but Umbra is still common afaik, using a big seeker + spotter drone is useful for spotting players on corners since u can't abuse minimap + social like u can in DZ.

[wet badger]

Better off using a vigilance ceska bag and contractors gloves.

Catharsis will still provide value but it's not a staple on this type of build.

[wet badger]

Vigilance is the best PvP bag talent alongside AdRush

It's simple, you sit on a corner and let the other guy peek first, u take 1 step out of cover and beam.

The math works out like this, what other bag talent gives you damage? Wicked, ok but you must fire 42 rounds before you gain damage and once you do the target has gone into hiding.

Concussion - dead talent.

With Vigilance you get the highest damage talent and you get it up front, even if u get shot at it's still better for every time u don't get shot at or until u get shot at.

Peek angles right and you'll have vigi active for all the duration u need to inflict damage/kill.

Imo it should be nerfed.

[rapid dirge]

How much armour do u have with this?

[true snow]

I assume umbra mask instead of cath?

[true snow]

Also, should i do fenris+efficient or use perfectly efficient? (Dz)

[undone umbra]

Can anyone show me a good armor regen build with the big horn ?

[true snow]

where do you pull up this site

[rapid dirge]

https://lite.evernote.com/note/e276d9da-3885-ebd9-5354-35b77ed1c75c

[true snow]

ty

[wet badger]

You always use perfectly efficient

[opal coyote]

Anyone have a good PVP build

The spread sheet won’t load for me

[lavish basin]

scroll up a bit, I literally linked you to a decent build

[wraith fable]

Anyone got a good build for someone that new to pvp

[craggy trench]

Scroll up 4 messages

[wraith fable]

The bighorn build?

[limber cedar]

The "I need a pvp build!" has become the "can I get the Lexington?" Of this channel.

[rapid dirge]

can i still get the lexington tho

[rapid dirge]

Guys why do u all use firewall spec with bighorn build?

[sudden coyote]

The med kit with Perfectly Efficient that heals 200% armor

Common tactic is to take a little bit of damage, use it, and then rush someone because the healing over time (plus it being a high armor regen build) tanks a lot of damage, so people have more time to focus on headshots over survival. Armor regen build forces you to focus on headshot damage since you don't have enough brand/gear bonuses to make it a crit build

So if you see someone about to pop it, go in the other direction for 10 seconds

[mortal badge]

its all linked in the google doc in the pins in the builds channel

[golden ermine]

Fs

[wet badger]

150%

[wet badger]

He said new to PvP, that build is best suited for someone who already has the basics down, he needs a crit build with enough armour to survive bad pushes and damage so he feels like he's doing something.

The rest comes later.

[wet badger]

Why use anything else unless ur trying to heal team mates in which case just run a different build..

[wraith fable]

Any suggestions

[rapid dirge]

yeah i was jw. what pve build would be good to run with firewall so i can level it up quick?

[silver nova]

A couple of my friends picked up div recently. One has really enjoyed intimidate shotguns, while the other enjoys perfect spotter beams, or headshot regen

Really depends on what you like. I tried to get them both a beams build as a "starter" due to how easy it is to farm, then they've been branching out as to what they prefer

[silver nova]

Anything headhunter related ideally. Whether that be regulus, or your preferred mmr/1886

[mossy solstice]

I need a solid intimidate shotgun build that can drop people in 1-3 shots

I've got a few variations but I want the best possible one

[golden ermine]

Shame on you

[mossy solstice]

What :((

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwTgtMYAxgjGBmayape1AuSl7yQEzxokYrYERzVKxSkNlTYAcVMxTXJ24kH3QVmAA2dtUaSMmEAFYqsRXHkEks+ZJk44S2CrVsWYhpjpJcujWBH8mpzAgDs1sY84mCMBF8oJwDIA

This is the best I can come up with myself

[golden ermine]

I meant for making shotguns in general ,lol. Basically just the normal ar intim adr build but badger instead of fenris and that talent that increases damage per pellet that hits the target on your shotty

[mossy solstice]

That would be Brazen and that's on my secondary

I took Overlord as the Primary. Rogues hate it, they call it... Well, can't exactly say the term but you get the gist

[golden ermine]

I got a weird shotty build in mind but gotta see if it works

[mossy solstice]

Hit me with it. I've got one that can drop bighorn

1v1 facefight

[golden ermine]

On console,lol

Will be a bit before i farm my pc acc up

[mossy solstice]

Build would be awesome to see 👀

[tardy thistle]

That's pretty locked in with crit shotgun and firewall shield pop-shotting. Shotguns can crit on every pellet so I'd personally get to 60% CHC with lower CHD.

[mossy solstice]

So ditch CHD for CHC. Coyote would make up that lost mod, ye?

[tardy thistle]

I would, players never talk about it but crit RNG decides the winner in a lot of cases.

[mossy solstice]

Very true. DZ rogues frequently settle arguments with bighorn 1v1s

No spaz movement, no foam

I try to aim for 52-55 on most builds

[tardy thistle]

Don't miss a shot or make bad decision and this build will beat anything else in the game.

[craggy trench]

shotgun build- named brazen shotgun. coyotes, matador, intimidate badger chest, ceska holster, grupo or walker gloves and fox

firewall shield is a must

[wet badger]

That's perfect, firewall isn't necessary, sometimes gunner provides more value, this build forces people to sit in cover thinking what to do next, that's when u chuck a foam grenade on their feet

[wet badger]

This will certainly do damage but I do think the hybrid variant is more reliable and versatile, with ninjabike, Picaro and 1 other brand set of your choosing.

What some people are doing with non LMG Vigi Umbra is putting a Bighorn on it with Coyote and doing 85% of the bodyshot damage but potentially double that to the head, a little harder to use though.

[wet badger]

No, you only roll crit, all HS is just from the Bighorn

You'd need to change a mod to CHC until you reach 50

Coyote will get you the last 10 as this build is for medium range

Yeah

Umbra is a DPS hold build, Regen is a tank push build, you hold with crit and you push with headshot.

[tardy thistle]

Big Horn has ridiculous burst DPS without it's talent active, even a crit version is worthwhile.

[wet badger]

The current Bighorn makes all high end weapons a joke, the balance is way off.

[sullen oracle]

Well its one of the few guns that most rewards headshots over crits in general use not just PVP

[tardy thistle]

@wet badger why do you get locked in the SH sometimes?

[wet badger]

And yet it took making the Bighorn OP af to make it worthwhile outside of niche PvP situations, try using any high end weapon Vs a Bighorn on the same build, you stand absolutely 0 chance.

It's a testament to how OP crit was allowed to become that an equally OP HS weapon had to be buffed over 5 times to get to that point.

[sullen oracle]

i do have my set of issues with crits a long time, but this is the PVP channel and i dont do PVP at all so i just made a general comment about big horn

[wet badger]

Yes I am aware, I much preferred the pre-wony system of base damage with less emphasis on crit and HS rolls, it's much easier to balance.

Let's take a look at weapon attributes, it's OoC or nothing, you can maybe argue CHC on LMGs on certain builds. This is an example of a multiplier to damage being badly set.

DtA 6% Vs OoC 10%... Why?

Headshot damage only being an additive 10%...

CHD being so low Vs CHC compared with other sources.

It's all done so badly and the devs refuse to address this, instead they just let us roll the only useful stat on every gun go make everyone happy.

If I had it my way I would make OoC 5%, DtA kept at 6%, Headshot damage becomes Amplify, CHC nerfed to 8%, CHD buffed to 12%, all handling rolls removed and replaced with weapon handling at 15%. Mag Size 20% rounded up.

Now you have options, bad rolled weapons might not be badly rolled weapons, instead filling in for a niche build without feeling like you're selling.

[rapid dirge]

anyone got a pvp/pve build? all the conflict ones kinda suck when farming landmarks

[wet badger]

Memento striker

[silver nova]

2p walker, fox's kneepads, 1p grupo, 1p ceska, 1p badger tuff, and coyotes. ad rush intimidate

[mossy solstice]

That combination all at once isn't possible but I've pretty much got the best possible setup I can

[silver nova]

actually thats very true

ignore grupo i believe

ill hop on and see what my setup is specifically , but double walker is only slightly better than contractors

i've also seen people use all improvised besides cp and bp

[craggy trench]

^

[rapid dirge]

how many blue cores n anything u else u would change

[wet badger]

No less than 4 blue, 5 is best

[craggy trench]

Don't run Elmo's

Tbh backfire or chameleon pretty good for landmark farming and hold up in PvP

Or chatter

Elmo's just doesn't compete anymore dmg wise

[mossy solstice]

Elmo is the secondary weapon that I keep fully charged and I'll run a killer talent assault rifle so that way whenever a rogue goes into my landmark I'll just hot swap to the St Elmo's shock them and kill them

[opal coyote]

What site is that

[mossy solstice]

The only time that works though is when they're not running hazard protection and that's usually a 90% guesstimated likelihood

[mossy solstice]

mxswat Build tool. Very useful

[opal coyote]

Yeah I need to get a PVP build on there

[mossy solstice]

Some things on it are not up to date be aware of that

But it is pretty accurate for where the game sits right now

[opal coyote]

Ok sweet

[mossy solstice]

(Ceska, grupo, wyvern, etc, are all still pre nerf stats)

[rapid dirge]

Chest ok or one with ubbreakable?

[mossy solstice]

Few missing items as well but most of it is up to date

[mossy solstice]

Either works. If you wanna do more damage, keep the talent. If you wanna abuse striker, run Eagle Bearer and take unbreakable

Striker + Memento is viable as SHD and Rogue

[opal coyote]

I was gonna transfer that build to it

[rapid dirge]

Eb + same chest as pic is still strong enough ye?

[mossy solstice]

Super easy to farm. I see the backpack giving troubles tho for the core attribute

[mossy solstice]

Correct

I personally would add on 2 more blue cores

[rapid dirge]

Was just gonna as that lol

[mossy solstice]

4 blues 3 reds on pvp strikers is crazy

[opal coyote]

Yeah I just need to put it on that site I’m so it’s easy to follow

I’m trash at builds

[rapid dirge]

Skill wise shield is just useless isn’t it

[mossy solstice]

I'd run decoy + defender. You could run decoy + stick or hive+defender

[rapid dirge]

DD sounds good thanks!

O also for secondary should I keep acs or another ar

[opal coyote]

So what’s the blue cores mean in this build

[rapid dirge]

Armour for the big ones small ones are haz pro

Protection against effects

[jovial halo]

does the global modifier rogue momentum apply to pvp?

[wet badger]

Modifiers no longer apply in PvP

[opal coyote]

Ok sweet

Can someone help me out and make this into a mxswat for me plz im confused

It would be greatly appreciated and would help save my mind

[rapid dirge]

Confused about what

[craggy trench]

It's pretty straightforward

It's even broken down under the pic

[rapid dirge]

is 44/147 to low for pvp in dz? i will be adding 2 blue cores aswell

[craggy trench]

try to hit 60% chc

[rapid dirge]

its just not getting there man with the bag

[rapid dirge]

chd is ok or push higher there also?

[craggy trench]

your chd will drop to raise chc

its going to be lower with memento but thats the best you can do

[rapid dirge]

whgats the min chd i can get away with

[craggy trench]

its more about the ratio than a specific number

[rapid dirge]

ah okday ill check back in once i put it together thanks

[rapid dirge]

got 52/124 now what should i change around? @craggy trench

[craggy trench]

go one more chc roll

[rapid dirge]

MB for all the pings this will be last. this is befo n after your addition roll i get 43.6/147.4

which should i stick with picture(48/135) or your suggestion(43.6/147.4)

[craggy trench]

bro what

i said go another chc roll not chd lol

[rapid dirge]

oops

54/123

chd feels a tad to low for pve/p no?

[ancient acorn]

You’re not fully optimized, not really anything else you can do. Some builds can’t fit a ton of CHC/CHD.

[tardy thistle]

The max that build can cap at is 57/125, that's what I'd run. Using Memento here really tanks crit numbers but you make up for it with survivability, I would not use EB here.

[rapid dirge]

Oh what is your preferred wpn?

[tardy thistle]

Ouro, Chatterbox, Backfire, Lexi with Measured, Elmo with shock like every other farmer, Pesti, Iron Lung, even crit Big Horn will all shit on EB if you get jumped while stacked.

There's just little reason to use EB, even if it is still unique.

[wet badger]

It's ok for farming landmarks

[tidal brook]

I main EB with striker…. Sooo

It’s my most used weapon on my account by a lot

[tardy thistle]

Left hand peak, next.

you could maybe run a revive hive and try and get hit in cover? Nemi is Nemi, just how it is.

[wet badger]

Not really, Nemi can 1 tap on body and u can hold the charge for 20s.

It's a stupid gun.

[tardy thistle]

If you are talking conflict, I have no idea. Players will know the map and hold angles that can't really by worked around like the DZ.

[mystic fiber]

Hmmm does the scanner drone count as a pulse? And replace linked laser pointer?

[golden ermine]

It can ye

[wet badger]

You can't replace the laser pointer if u wanna proc spotterflatline.

[mystic fiber]

Is future initiative broken in conflict whwre u take damage once and armor never fully recovers like being able to use medkit at 99% armor and the gear dosent proc the talent or is that a visual bug?

[lunar tendon]

Yes. It’s caused by any expertise on gear.
The game registers “full health” counting the bonus armor from expertise on gear.

[mystic fiber]

Hmm i see, would having the build without any expertise fix that issues then?

[lunar tendon]

Yes, for you receiving the buff.
But if you are the one on FI, then any teammates in conflict with expertised gear will still not get the buff.

[mystic fiber]

Hmmm i see is crazy they havent fix this issues i stoped playing for over a year and then same problem as now

[mossy solstice]

That's basically the reason why I instead went for a high end healer version for conflict instead of future initiative. I figured this bug out the other day and completely stopped using FI in conflict. Now I use this:

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/KwNgtAjADJFgTJRMVletmoC5jC5EpAMwarIErYgDskMEciEixAHJZ2dhHdLF0Fk02ACwd+jBEJlV4MeKPrThqytnjEAnGCVaJeSMD6gjHbvLh7iRebptaK6DaJsR88fEt5gQcLXDcojw68DrEStpcLrpKouCqQA

Chest talent can be swapped with Empathic resolve! Keep that in mind. Unbreakable just makes the build OP

[amber ice]

@weak bear As cheating is against both the ToS of div2, as well as against the rules laid out in this Server, I'd not recommend trying that.

[weak bear]

I don't understand why do action u mean as cheating??

It's seems you are confused

Hey everyone in this chat

Is Rive s the A.I a real person or is a bot

cause I barely talk in this discord?

[craggy trench]

It's a real moderator

[weak bear]

But I havent said anything

[neat musk]

What did bro post

[weak bear]

I only asked if anyone knows the settings of strafing

Since everyone in here uses Cronus

[neat musk]

There we go

Stop using Cronus

[weak bear]

Lol 😂😂

[limber cedar]

Nice argument, where is your source?

[weak bear]

I will gladly leve this server

Thanks

[neat musk]

please

[limber cedar]

No, thank you, We would be glad after you leave

[amber ice]

@weak bear You've already been officially warned for discussing cheating, the next one will go to a ban.

[weak bear]

😂😂

[neat musk]

just ban him already, already admitted to cheating lol

[weak bear]

No worries I am leaving your server

You can have it all for you guys

Enjoy it

[neat musk]

👍

[weak bear]

Don't use cronies

[neat musk]

you said you were leaving

[limber cedar]

Just shut up and get out already

[neat musk]

hit the button already

[weak bear]

I just feel people are so hypocrite and use and don't say it haha.... Then this people get very upset for a game lol 😭😭😅

[limber cedar]

Hey Rivens, can you politely show him the door?

[neat musk]

yappathon, hit the button already

[amber ice]

I like to let it become more permanent, but this one is getting irritating.

Hit me up if they return.

[limber cedar]

Btw people, I watched the anniversary video and I have a theory that there is a chance of a new DZ on BFB. Because the little teaser showed the agent firing a flare. You can only do that in:
1: scripted events like the end of the capitol mission.
2: in CPs, which didn't seem like it
3: and DZ extraction zones. But idk

[wet badger]

I'll hold my tongue, don't wanna get my hopes up

[mossy solstice]

I highly doubt they're gonna add a new dz dlc. New control points or scripted events I absolutely believe they'd add

Would be damn cool to see a new dz tho. This game BADLY needs a new one and it badly needs a dz revamp

[tawdry pier]

this ever happen to someone?
(ignore bighorn not reloaded im dumb)

[craggy trench]

My only guess is he was either status immune or had a cav player in group

[floral hearth]

Is not a Dark Zone, since Division 1 all agents wear a mask inside the DZ (Even in the Dark zone trailer from Division 1)

And the Agent in the anniversary trailer is not using it... So sadly to say is a PVE zone

[limber cedar]

One of the vanguard season comms says that nobody dies from green poison for months so maybe they don't need to wear masks anymore since DC-62 has never been a thing in NY.

[floral hearth]

Yeah sorry I didn't found all comms... You might be right in that case

For now my guess is that

[tawdry pier]

thing is that he did get status and got it a second time

[maiden dust]

is this the best way to run this?

[rapid dirge]

Ninja bag on there doesn’t feel right

[maiden dust]

i don’t really play pvp much anymore i just saw this and assumed it was really good

what do i change

[craggy trench]

Lose the ninja

[craggy trench]

^

[maiden dust]

ugh i gotta do a lot of farming

i don’t have a matador

this the closest i have

[rapid dirge]

Close enough

[maiden dust]

i hope i enjoy the build when it’s done bc i lowkey am tired of losing my fights

[rapid dirge]

It is quite fun. Just need to lock in your sim🙂

[maiden dust]

my aim isn’t really my concern

which is a good thing

[rapid dirge]

Ah good. U don’t have to but a bellstone chest with efficient is also a good alternative

For me anways 🤷🏾‍♂️

[maiden dust]

this gila holster is not dropping lol

[maiden dust]

good?

first try 1v3 this build is amazing

[craggy trench]

Yea that's solid

[wet badger]

Dude is lagging so when u foam him it takes time for him to get foamed, a player is foamed on their own client.

[wet badger]

No, it's a long way from that, never use ninjabike with regen, a whole conversation was in here recently but I'm not sure how recently, try the search feature, goes back maybe 2 or 3 weeks.

[wet badger]

Much better but drop the prov, prov is bad, especially with Bighorn.

[maiden dust]

why is headshot bad with bighorn? and what would i put insyead

[amber ice]

There's a bighorn meta build in the spreadsheel 📌 pinned over in #td2-build-advice.

[maiden dust]

well i saw they used matador, but i dont understand why 5 weapon damage is better than headshot damage on a headshot build

[amber ice]

Different damage formula's and such, it's all very nerd. I'm sure someone here can explain it later on.

[maiden dust]

then wouldn’t something like foxes be better than matador?

dunno

[wet badger]

Diminishing returns, the more of a particular stat u have the less each additional adds to effective damage output, aka your damage number.

The bighorn gives u so much free HSD that extra HS rolls don't really provide much extra, obviously you roll them on the attributes but for brand sets you'd get better value from Fenris and yeah Fox's but then you'd lose Hazard which isn't worth it.

[maiden dust]

ohh so every piece should have hazpro? i had some with hazpro some with regen

[wet badger]

Yeah Haz pro and headshot damage is the most useful combo

[maiden dust]

it also doesn’t help i have literally no expertise 😭😭

[floral hearth]

Which chestpiece talent is helpful with Haz Pro?

[vale minnow]

anybody wanna help stop the bullies in my dz??

its been the same 4 man terrorizing everybody, needa put them in they place ya feel me

[wet badger]

In most cases you use Perfect Efficient, if u are competent you can use Intimidate (Perfect if u have it)

[quasi tartan]

Just came back after year + break. Wnated to get back into DZ, is it still foam/bulwark everywhere?

Would something like this still function? 60chc, 187chd, 108 hsd

(ignore double ar in slot)

[mossy solstice]

Yeah that build should still be viable. I would personally use a different backpack talent but if you can get consistent headshots I say go for it

[quasi tartan]

yea for atleast getting back into the mix switching talents might be smart. I used to be decent enough to justify running it, but been on MMO's for past year sooo

[mossy solstice]

Plus in close range, coyote mask would actually yield you more CHD than Grupo

You COULD remove grupo, replace it with prov and just take coyote

That's only to boost CHD in close range tho so it does add some situational factors in

[quasi tartan]

yea makes sense. Ty for tips.

[mossy solstice]

In that case I'd recommend changing the build up entirely

It's still good how it is, you've got a good setup. Swap some pieces and talents and it'll shine brighter 🔥

[quasi tartan]

Now that I have you, I found this relic smg bleed build with ridgeways, and wicked on the backpack.

THat a thing?

[mossy solstice]

Yup that's still viable too. Uses Ongoing directive as well, right? Or is it a total high end build?

[quasi tartan]

total high end.

[mossy solstice]

Those are still viable as well. Makes for good close range fights

[quasi tartan]

Like that

[mossy solstice]

Yeah I've seen that build float around. It's viable still

[quasi tartan]

Interesting, fair play

But more common would be with ongoing directive?

[mossy solstice]

Most use Ongoing directive for the team hollow ammo sharing

To be fair, DZ is either full of solos or groups no in between

Conflict you're stuck on a team anyways so may as well benefit them 🤷

[quasi tartan]

yea sounds like not much has changed. Hence the cayote mask as well then i guess.

Armor plate glitch still there? Headglitchers still everywhere? Foam everwhere? XD

Still the skill dmg trap users?

[mossy solstice]

Yeah not too much has changed for pvp. They did remove watch levels benefits for conflict and removed expertise. Dark Zone still follows watch + expertise but there's now SHD brackets for "skill based match making"

[quasi tartan]

Oh lovely, was wondering about that

thats something I guess

[mossy solstice]

Foam, yes. Headglitchers and pixel peekers, yes. Skill damage traps, no, that's nerfed to the ground

The builds for pvp have changed and shifted in cool ways and upsetting ways

[quasi tartan]

Alright sounds like i need another round of coffee before we get this thing going. Thanks for all the feedback brother.

[mossy solstice]

I got you 🔥✌️

If you want I can give you some modern build templates for what builds I see people commonly using right now for pvp

I'll even toss in one of my own I actually recommend using. It's a similar setup to your EB build but I'm instead utilizing pulse + decoy with the nightwatcher mask for ~7s pulse cooldowns

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwVgtAzAnG4EyTARjsMAGDXM+9gXEgOxgBsYaCEYUJu9e9+wM5liSS4DPj+qZCmAS9RfJOTbDGMsen6YB5EbNVMkQiOSTASOmDoAcyEKMKkSaFOC7C0pbrMKGp1tXyL4I98EQ2kYHmdIDQgqQMYgA

^^ bighorn Regen with hazpro. It's as meta as it gets. I chose more Regen as opposed to using matador for more bonus armor off of ad rush. Figured you're meant to tank thru bullets, may as well get more Regen. You could alternatively run 3 piece Gila and get even more. You lose some armor tho

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKhAsA2EAGFbUfegXADnFDEWKJmVmdgKxyGoQTBgCcFb5y2idBH77XAOw8IfMRS61oqUv3EYu0UHFnBgwtVRjAkHbMFq0dciWDhKtukwsH6itMdg2hg8oA

^^ umbra with pestilence. 3/3 setup, coyote mask, with Ceska Vigi bag. This build MELTS. Pestilence got a rate of fire buff of up to 900 or so RPM. Umbra boosts burst DPS by about 30% ish with the chest. This makes your pestilence shoot as fast as a vector sub machine gun and more. If you want the solo version for landmark farming, I've found Ceska + memento work good as well. Highly highly recommend this type of setup. Ninjabike even works, can take Picaros and Walker and Harris on that too. The variety can go anywhere with umbra 🔥

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwVgtKYMxgTHYAMSXLajiBcAOBNgFZD1TNUth54D88yHMsAWQ4Z6Ccxnygdnxce3JrA7AY1EcNJZ4HKAPYFm4duOYA2biw5rtVOMija+ATh1iC4bTIqbK8dhFs6lbGUA

^^ lastly, this is one of my own builds. Pretty simple high end setup, about as cookie cutter as you can get. With this build you'll want to be utilizing eagle bearer heavily. Scanner pulse should keep you aware of any incoming agents as well as enemies. Keep decoys dropped consistently, no pulse immunity tho. Make sure to also check nearby tab for pulse immune builds too. Keep in mind, this build only has 2 armor cores. You can run 3 and still have impeccable up-front damage, but this build isn't meant for tanking. It's meant for getting the upper hand on unaware or "sneaky" agents. I've won and lost many fights with this against real players. Hits in PvE just as well and in landmarks it's unstoppable. I highly recommend giving it a try at the least

Hopefully this helps you out, agent 🙏

[quasi tartan]

❤️

[wet badger]

will it kill people? yes, is it good? no

headshot damage, thats a perfect roll

[wet badger]

u can still chestswap, devs tried patching it, failed, it just requires extra steps, not many still bother since the instant medkit, its more of a hassle but can help here n there

[craggy trench]

Like a bad high end raid build

[quasi tartan]

wouldnt mind suggestions

[craggy trench]

Lose all the providence

Fenris holster, Fox knees, contractors, ceska, grupo, coyotes

Can swap out contractors/coyotes for catharsis and run 1 pc Walker or improvised

[limber cedar]

On conflict, wasn't just expertise that was removed and SHD watch bonuses remained unchanged?

[craggy trench]

Huh

[limber cedar]

Ok let me rephrase that

[craggy trench]

Shd watch was removed as well

[sturdy torrent]

how do chatterbox striker builds fair in the current meta for dz?

[cerulean turret]

Looking 4 an active PVP Clan???

[craggy trench]

Pretty good at 4-5

[craggy trench]

#lfg-xbox

#td2-clan-recruitment

[maiden dust]

so this is like all i can really do to this build?

[wet badger]

Pretty much but I would also carry an every day carrier for times when u need to spam kits

[golden ermine]

Situational

[wet badger]

It was underwhelming before the devs nerfed it into the ground

[limber cedar]

I got one with the system corruption backpack and focused on HSD with bighorn, it works pretty well in some situations but not all.
And to those that say do not use system corruption because regen is better I am only human after all, don't put the blame on me 🎵

[tawdry pier]

exodus no unbreakable doesn't sound great

sure pop kit as armor breaks but window is way too tight

SC chest isn't even great

even bag after the SC buff too

you don't need the bag anymore to maximise damage from the ability

should be easy with the event and xp thing

[tardy thistle]

when you make a build like this, never use Fox's or Contactor's and you need every CHC and CHD roll you can get unless you are going HS. Umbra and Nego are exceptions somewhat as they come with 15% CHC.

You'd be what 49/80?

Gee conflict stats would be like 45/58.

[tawdry pier]

rip

[rain sparrow]

Jesus

Im surprisingly chilling in the dark zone and kill the same guy 4 times in a row so far and he keeps coming back

I got a couple chest pieces already but scrapped them

Ive been doing landmarks for over an hour

[mossy solstice]

Yes, you can get the kneepads from dark zone. Be warned the kneepads are the hardest piece to get. I FINALLY got my 3rd pair of kneepads the other week for my 3rd sys Corr build. Got it out of a legacy cache from the season pass. Been farming for these kneepads for almost 8 months now

Just be aware that the best setup using Exodus gloves is 4 PC sys Corr, sokolov chest with crits + unbreakable and obviously the gloves. But I'll be straight up with you: I've mained sys Corr in pvp for quite a bit on purpose. It's NOT an easy gearset to use and quite frankly, it's underwhelming in every way possible. It's a good face tank build and good for anti-pulse. Anything else with it I recommend a different build entirely

Mind you, I'm nearing SHD 14k. It took me almost a year to get my first sys Corr build going and maxed out. Rn it's expertise 18

I can now take 3 blues 3 reds and still have 1.6m armor 😂

The kneepads are extremely elusive. The best overall sys Corr setup is 4 PC sys, coyote mask, sokolov with unbreakable. All crits, 4 armor 2 reds

You could go ceska with unbreakable and run Eagle Bearer. That is also viable

At SHD 700 I had at least 2 EB's + 2 Ouroboros. Was working my way to iron horse at that stage for regulus, ended up getting Ravvy first try

Sys Corr is so fun, especially when you run around the corner, proc the talent, and run back and they think you're dead when you're not 😂

Don't feel bad it took me damn near 15 runs before I got the EB. Roughly 11 for ouroboros

I knew people who have 100+ and have yet to see a drop

Regulus is guaranteed

Ravvy, ouro and EB aren't

It's pretty fun. Even crazier when you run it as full pulse res too

I've just noticed that if I'm taking that much damage and I need gloves to save me, I shouldn't be playing like that anyways

Wait until you get my setup lol

Drops bighorn players 😂

Should point out tho you'll need to play very aggressive and hit your shots in a 1v1 facefight against BH with sys corr

Ditch the chest obviously take knees instead

That is unfortunately how the grind for that gearset goes

You've got no other choice

If they brought back Season 1 Caches like they did with the legacy manhunt rerun season they did, it guaranteed drops for sys crafting

As well as narrowed the loot pool to include those

I grinded my ass off for pieces during that time

My advice for farming these stars is just keep running control points with 5 directives and with a 1 shot build. Slap music on, jam out. Try to make clearing each CP a game. Time each point you do

Eventually it becomes fun

5x XP will still be around. When does golden bullet end?

[rain sparrow]

4 days left to grind out 900 more levels 😭

[mossy solstice]

DZ landmarks looking pretty good for levels rn. 5x XP, each landmark is about 200k XP 😂

That's a Milly XP upon completion

[rain sparrow]

I was getting 1mill+ per landmark went up 20+levels in the dz

[mossy solstice]

If you're looking to farm hella levels just run 5 dirs and do control points on heroic with a 1 shot build. You'll get 5 levels per

Sometimes 6 due to headshot kills

[rain sparrow]

Had a minor set back at the north extraction in dz east when someone flagged me when i wasnt paying attention and they still lost the fight

[mossy solstice]

Love those morons that try to do that, especially when they aren't even build equipped to handle a trick like that

[rain sparrow]

Im not even a pvp build im pve

4 piece HF with ridgeways

[mossy solstice]

Did you inspect their build? I always do and laugh at them over the mic 😂

[rain sparrow]

I didnt

[mossy solstice]

Clan vendor frequently sells it. Buy it, deconstruct it for crafting

But it does commonly drop in dz. Fairly shit rolls tho but that's dz loot for you

Conflict caches and dz caches grant Yaahl gear too

[rain sparrow]

I ended up grouping up with someone in the dz whos hunting for the dark winter

[mossy solstice]

Legacy as well

[mossy solstice]

They could wait instead for it to appear in a vendor. Goes frequently on sale in CD

Or open named Item caches

[tawdry pier]

It's kind of always been

[rain sparrow]

The main go to gear i see everyone running is mainly strikers

[mossy solstice]

They nuked it because they introduced instant kits. Which did work and then you can proc the talent. Devs nerfed that, which made the gearset ASS

[tawdry pier]

Once the opponent understands your gimmick they can just not trade with you when you pop the kit

[mossy solstice]

It needs more damage or more time for the talent to provide the benefits

Two ways I see sys Corr getting a buff is: the backpack increases damage you get after procc'ing the talent OR you increase the duration of time the talent lasts for

But then you get people crying the nameplate thing, yada yada, that's when I propose the nameplate being hidden should last only 5s. The talent giving you bonus armor, that should last for 10s imo. There needs to be more time, your armor will get shredded or disappear before you even have time to do damage

You'd be better off with that, yes. However, I keep sys Corr tucked for those Heartbreaker users that THINK they're good when they're using the most gimmicky ass build: just face tank with an ACS12

Love watching those players panic when they get zero stacks bc I'm pulse immune 😂 press and hold C, tell them kiss the floor go back to pve 😂

I'll even bully PvE players with it. I'll let them damage me as I'm strafing, I'll let them even break my unbreakable, I'll act like I'm losing, get almost killed, then proc the talent and shred every ounce of life they got 😂 I'm so toxic

Passively farm for them at this point 🤷 eventually you will get them

[lavish basin]

Wait for target loot kneepads in one of the DZs

[wet badger]

I just think that System Corruption should do as its name suggests, hack equipment, either to disable or take it over.

Maybe when u hit the kit it does a lot more than some dogs hit amount of armour that's in every way inferior to firewall kit spam

[ripe root]

I bully people who cry and salty only, I treat everyone in dz like professional pvp player
So a lot people had make me disappointed

[mossy solstice]

I heavily agree with this

Or force an EMP blast and knock all skills out around it while hiding you in the process

[mossy solstice]

Only time I'll cry in pvp is when somebody else starts crying 😂 it's usually to annoy them or piss them off

[mossy solstice]

This would work, but that just means you're fighting loot for kneepads and that pool size is rather yk... big

[lavish basin]

Smaller than legacy season cache pool when you're only looking for those kneepads though

[ripe root]

I think respect is one of important spirit in pvp
If people salty, don't respect me, then he doesn't worthy of any respect

[mossy solstice]

Very true. I myself have not gotten them to drop in Dark Zone, but have in a conflict caches and in Legacy caches. 1 conflict and 2 legacy on record for me

[mossy solstice]

I think so too. most of us dz guys just want fun pvp without conflict nerfing us. We like to play in big groups and do server fights. It's fun. This game's pvp playerbase is it's own downfall. Expertise in pvp has ruined the game. It's now become whoever played the longest has the most damage pretty much. The game favors cheesy setups, or most optimal setups. You can have one guy hit most of his shots but another guy miss most of his but if his setup is better, he's going to win. It takes away from natural skill and it's more of a game off numbers if anything

Division has the most unique pvp out of any game I've seen. It's sadly so unique that it's almost annoying to play against equally smart players. Each person runs the same over-abused setup. They're hard to counter. Even worse when you factor in this games age as well as cheating problems. Anyone could be cheating and you can't hardly prove it no more. Serious overhauls are desperately needed for the pvp of this game

Give today the most you can 🔥🤙

@ me if you get those knees 👀

Immediately slap CHD on them

[ripe root]

Well, expertise actually make some gap, but I don't having huge hesitation about this
First, people play longer, of course they get high expertise, but expertise are not growing unlimited, everyone can having same expertise
Second, people always say they lose because expertise, but I think it just a small factor, people play longer, they have higher expertise, also pvp experience, expertise make gap but not that far

[mossy solstice]

There's a gap which can be closed, correct. I argue though that it does give newer players a disadvantage not only in skill but builds too. Builds are half of where your damage comes from, aim is the other half. Let's assume 2 people are fighting 1 on 1, same exact setup. However though, one has an expertise 28 weapon while the other has an expertise 11 weapon. Neglecting aim alone, the expertise 28 build theoretically should win due to more up-front damage from expertise bonus

You don't need expertise, but it does have a factor at least in my opinion

[tawdry pier]

Expertise is damn near 2 red cores now

Even an expertise 12 vs a 28 expertise player that's a whole red core diff

[mossy solstice]

I know 💀💀 I can't keep using my non expertise ass builds anymore. I have no choice I have to commit to expertise now

[ripe root]

People blaming everything, blame expertise, blame skill player, blame status effect, blame group, blame door camp, blame melee, blame everything
most funny I saw a famous div2 youtuber, he blaming electric box in south dz just because he die by that while streaming on twitch

[mossy solstice]

Dumbass didn't see the box, somebody was smart and shot it. How'd bro not think somebody would try that? 😂😂

Idiots...

[ripe root]

But not many people are truly respect other who play well, that's why the community make me disappointed

[mossy solstice]

The community cries instead of just playing and accepting you got killed. There's respawns for a reason 💁

I know my non expertise builds lack, but that's the fun of this game: overcoming the odds anyways

[ripe root]

Tom Clancy excuse 2

[mossy solstice]

Truth 😂😂😂😂

Good 🔥

If you want something stupid OP, run 4 PC umbra with Ceska piece and memento

It's actually viable

5 blues I think 2 reds

Take iron lung and Lexington

Firewall specialist and ofc skills are decoy and defender drone

Take that and run coyote

😩

3 blues 3 reds

It melts. Better yet, throw pestilence on it. May as well go full cheese, no?

I can make you jealous with 2 pictures. Don't temp me

😂😂

Ninja bag with umbra is actually good

Even for pve depending how built

Still pvp item tho

Yk what imma flex just this once

[tacit pond]

it’s only good in pve for builds that need a ton of one stat and nothing else

and these are still niche scenarios

like maximizing armor for better vanguard procs

or longest shock duration for DH boomer stuff

[mossy solstice]

@simple apex in 8 years these builds could be yours!

[ripe root]

Personally have hesitation of ninja umbra capacity🫠 , I rather use vigilance with umbra

[tacit pond]

not a single soul is jealous i’m afraid

[mossy solstice]

I use it for defender drone boost but ye vigi + umbra is hard to pass up

[tacit pond]

sys cor is so buns bruh

[mossy solstice]

Only one 😂😂

[tacit pond]

yea you

[mossy solstice]

Nope I have the knees. Mentioned user does not

[tacit pond]

oh

[mossy solstice]

Been farming their ass off for em have yet to see em

[tacit pond]

#loser

i got those

[mossy solstice]

😂😂

Point n laugh they don't have knees 🫵😂

[ripe root]

I have a fly fire build which requires 3 syscor with skill damage and roll to yellow core

[mossy solstice]

Wtf 😭😭 share

Now I'm intrigued

[ripe root]

syscor boost all damage but not weapon only, I don't know text go wrong or code
Build: ninja, grupo, China light, 3 sys

[mossy solstice]

Damn I had no idea it boosts all damage 😲

Devs screw up the talent wording of the gearset? Swore it only was weapon damage

[ripe root]

Boost all damage from day1

[mossy solstice]

😭 noooooo keep trying

It's still respected... Just sad now

:(

I feel that

Enjoy some fun you earned it

[ripe root]

They always screw up both of text and code

[ripe root]

Fire fly are more potential than sticky, it have similar damage at tier6, it don't have damage decreas by range, can deal damage to multiple target, can boost by tech hive

[mossy solstice]

At that rate go contractors and Providence

Get better bonuses that way

Or contractors and 1 PC hb

Take AR secondary

Yes

Names gloves, high end brand piece of your choice

Picaros is still decent with ninja bike tho

[wet badger]

Yeah exactly, I had this in mind too, but imagine a player dropping a mortar just for you to hack it, the mechanics are probably unlikely to ever be implemented, when I look at a game like The Finals with it's endless interactions between the different abilities it makes the game so fun and engaging, then u have div where u have dead items and sets that still haven't been changed since the absolute murder they had gotten years ago, TP, Rigger etc

[limber cedar]

the guy after he fired like 4 ACS-12 shots: I'm in danger 😅

[mossy solstice]

Yannick did hint at a true Patriot buff and other Gearsets as well. It was in one of their recent streams. You'd have to catch it in an older KVD video tho but he did hint at it

[mossy solstice]

Me when I see a blacklisted hunter in Heroic and 6 people out of 8 are down:

Never before have I quit CD so fast

[wary olive]

Any PC PVP discords?

[golden ermine]

Prob the isac cord

[rapid dirge]

Can you share the link?

[inland tusk]

@simple apex inbf u get countered 🍆

[mossy solstice]

NICE!!!!! by the way, if you have the sys Corr gloves, I highly recommend using sys Corr with memento + intimidate for landmarks. Ive found it to be pretty viable but what memento builds aren't viable nowadays

I run mine with all blues and 1 red (from the bp itself)

I told you, I had a feeling you'd get them 🔥 God rolled armor core of all things 😲 mine dropped that way too lol

How much crit chance you got on that build btw?? I feel like not taking ceska on that build ruins the performance a tad bit

[mossy solstice]

Umbra is the best burst DPS gearset after all for pvp

Funny enough it's kneepads targeted for dz south

Might try my luck for sys Corr knees

I'd laugh my ass off if I get them to drop today meanwhile you farmed hours and hours 😂

Do I need a 4th pair? Nah. Would be cool tho

Same. I have triplets of each piece

I've got it on rn actually. Testing it with only 2 blues

It hits like a truck

You should be asking the question about if the devs care for this game in general 😂

And most stuff on pvp doesn't get reworked

It's quite literally an untouched section of the game. Been abandoned for years till conflict changes

[mossy solstice]

I have, it's not bad but it's still difficult to use. It absolutely shreds but anything umbra is good for the most part

I use high end more now

[stuck forum]

did you guys know you get like 30+ levels for winning a team elim game wtf

with this 5x xp event

[pseudo garden]

any pvp group to join for pc?

[wet badger]

If we're lucky during a big patch we'll get some specific changes but usually devs change things globally and we just work with that, sometimes it works, most of the time it doesn't and we just deal with the fallout.

[wet badger]

Best way is to find people that seem decently close to your skill level in DZ or something, ask for invite, if u go rogue solo and show you're worth something, another struggling rogue group might just be willing to group up. But these days on PC u have to be careful as there's a bunch of cheaters so while this might be sound advice, these days it kind of isn't.

But it's how I made my friends, took me a while but I have a good bunch.

I remember asking to group with people on forums on other games and it didn't work for me, they were people I had to abandon for reasons, the way I suggest already has u vetting them for compatibility.

[mossy solstice]

^^ @simple apex yeah be careful with this. I myself love grouping up with randoms in dark zone. This is getting more and more risky in doing so due to the constantly growing cheating problem this game has. You're more likely to run into a cheater than not to run into one. This game has no real true way of proving someone is cheating besides the 'obvious' signs. There's even names out there in the dark zone that I'm sure @wet badger runs into constantly that is cheating but they have no way to prove it 🤷 I've come up with a few ways of telling, depending on the supposed 'cheaters' build, but it's still hard to prove

I've talked to a good number of common names I see in dark zone, at least on US East servers. A good number of known names use cheats, some use scripts and a good number use programs. The sad part is that a good circle of people know about it, yet they don't care. Nothing will really get done about cheaters in this game, at least in a pvp sense. You can only cheater shame somebody for so long before you realize your voice makes no difference 🤷

At this rate the most any of us can do is just accept the fact cheating will always be a problem, pick and choose who you fight, and if the DZ is toxic... Just leave? Lol 💀

[mossy solstice]

Yeah that's the good ol tick build with skills. It's sad

DZ South rn is dead empty for US East

[wet badger]

Just leave, sure, but you spend 20 mins looking for a server, u find some farmers, u kill them, they leave, you spend another 10 mins transferring, u find PvP participants, u kill them, they cry cheats and leave, 10 mins, find server, it's rogues, great, u go to fight them and they die, great, no, they flag again... BRRRRRRRR GG another one. Log off

All in all you spend 1 hour on division with nothing to show for it, I reckon this is why a huge number of people leave, other games have fast matchmaking and lots of action, division can provide 3 hours of non stop action and we love it but other times it's a waste of time.

[golden ermine]

Last 2 times i played were 3 hours of transfer simulator with like 2 fights

[limber cedar]

Hey guys I made a file about the "invincibility" status that we, the player and NPCs can get, this might be completely useless in PvP but who knows right?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/114FvYb3W5DFl9IapIOF_suUyuTlhB-Bx/view?usp=sharing

[tawdry pier]

You could mention the invincibility after leaving safe houses in dz because it's very beneficial against camping

Especially on dz south roof

[limber cedar]

well, I mentioned about the fast travel, it's almost the same principle since safehouses in the DZ teleports from inside to outside and vice versa.

[tawdry pier]

That one in specific you can walk as much as you can in the 5 second duration

No range limit or something

[limber cedar]

I think It has, on PvE I tested the hive on legendary and I'm pretty sure it last less than 5s when you are moving away from the reanimation point.

[mossy solstice]

Pretty much how I felt chasing this one rogue guy around dz that talks mad shit about people trying to kill him but the moment he gets shot once he runs away

I mean if you're gonna go rogue actually be rogue? Don't go rogue just to have the entire server chase you 💀💁

[tardy thistle]

That's the most frustrating thing, you spend like 75% of your time trying to find action.

And it's completely random when it happens, like Saturday, Sunday and Monday will be dead then it'll randomly kick off on Tuesday and you'll fight for hours.

Then of course everyone knows each other so it turns into a big cry session.

[wet badger]

Cry session, chat PvP, then all 10 players in the server are standing inside DZ turrets so even if u wanna go back to fighting u can't because the sulking sore losers can perpetually just sit in there and exact revenge by simply being afk, the ones who wanna fight can't because they need help from the others, server dead.

[pseudo garden]

want to play with you

[tardy thistle]

Just before it was a 3v7 in the checkpoint with 2 cheaters.

[sleek wind]

i need some help i need a build that will keep me alive in conflit

[ripe root]

I recommend hw pulse build
Stay away from enemy keep you alive, meanwhile you providing information to your teammate

[tardy thistle]

Hard Wired.

[tardy thistle]

Seeker for DZ south stairs, mortar for door camping. You need something like a hive to put down and pick up to reduce cooldowns so you have one usable skill, considering the guy was talking about pulse in conflict you could use normal or jammer pulse I guess.

[ripe root]

Nah, it is special build design for conflict only
Since scan pulse are nerf in conflict, you need nightwatch, decrease cd below 30s then spamming by hw

[random edge]

Is the ridgeway/sadist combo still relevant for conflict?

[errant locust]

can somebody explain what does this icon mean?

[wet badger]

instant medkit

[tacit pond]

the haz pro from heals no?

but yea he would have gotten that from insta kit

[wet badger]

no

[random edge]

No thats the 5 seconds cooldown from the instant medkit

[wet badger]

the shield is the haz buff

[tawdry pier]

shield with green cooldown is insta

[errant locust]

is this a gear set or a talent? what is it?

[tawdry pier]

hazard is orange cooldown

[wet badger]

double tap ur kit

[errant locust]

oh wow thx i didnt know

[tacit pond]

ahh gotcha

knew it was shield like at least

[limber cedar]

I don't know if you already played conflict before but they also use this same symbol when your team takes the extra armor boost during a match.

I mean, they could have used the gas mask symbol (the same symbol on haz protection on descent) on the haz buff instead of a white "armor attribute" symbol on the UI

[maiden dust]

im not really liking bighorn regen. any other builds i should try? heartbreaker bighorn?

[golden ermine]

Ye, chatter striker, cap ninja

[maiden dust]

thoughts?

[craggy trench]

Mid

[maiden dust]

oh

i guess idk much about the pvp meta then

bc i thought i was cooking

[rapid dirge]

iron lung umbra/ full armour is also a nice build

[maiden dust]

petrov bag?

w vigi?

or what

[rapid dirge]

lemme send a pic

[rapid dirge]

i think u can go with another talent here so see what others in here say

i cant remeber who shared the first build with me might have been lady death?

[maiden dust]

only 1.1m armor on 2nd build?

[rapid dirge]

ye i need to add in 1/2 more cores just been lazy

both work in dz n conflict tho

[maiden dust]

the first build confuses me a little

i dont really see the synergy

[rapid dirge]

how so it tanks hard and is good for team support

[maiden dust]

i just feel like you wouldnt get good use from wicked but what do i know

[rapid dirge]

yh like i said talent u can 100% replace i just kept it cos bag had good rolls and i didnt wanna farm more😂

[maiden dust]

i need to move my pvp stuff to a diff character bc i dont have space anymore lol

[rapid dirge]

fr literally why the builds are so unoptimzed/missing cores ;/

[warped turtle]

Just ran into my dynamic duo in conflict, sent em' a friend request so now I wait lol we bodied that lobby.

[wet badger]

With heartbreaker u almost exclusively use chest & bag, catharsis/coyote and 1 other brand set.

If u read the talent and do some maths u should realise it's never worth using even perfect spotter.

[wet badger]

It should confuse u, it's a bad build.

[ripe root]

Hb always with it's chest, chest provide more armor and more damage

Hazard out , all regen
Or regen out, all hazard and use yaahl

If you want hazard build, at least having 80%, otherwise it doesn't really matter with 0%

[wet badger]

60% hazard is enough for most situations, usually u just need an extra foam mod or 2 if they are clinical.

Also regen bighorn is more suited to dark zone as opposed to conflict where 7 only get 2 meds, sometimes RnG gives u nothing back and u get 2/2, whereas in DZ you can get blessed with the last 2 meds

[ripe root]

80% allow you to immune 0tier 0status foam
Not huge difference between 70 and 60, 60 and 50, but definitely huge between 80 and 70

80 make qualitative change

[wet badger]

I know but against most people u dont need the full 80, so take the extra 10-20 HS, adapt accordingly, keep the mods on standby and hotswap

[ripe root]

That's why my point is use hazard with 80above, or no hazard with all regen

[mossy solstice]

To answer your question, yes it is. Just be mindful of booster hives and hazpro builds. Sadist is known to be quickly countered

[wet badger]

@simple apex funny game of conflict that was heh

[ripe root]

No watch in conflict so the cost of hazard build are heavy, ridgeway might better than dz

Booster hive wasn't a problem

[wet badger]

Yeah

[inland tusk]

I just got the eagle bearer need a dz build for it for PvP dz anyone got a good build all the YouTube videos are like year old

[limber cedar]

Just slap some assault rifle and hsd attributes build. Despite being way weaker than bighorn, the principle remains the same. Because without tenacity, the eagle bearer is just an ordinary assault rifle.

[wet badger]

Guess why they are a year old

[inland tusk]

So what’s a good weapon besides bighorn people say the orbos sucks too just got that yesterday

That got nerfed too like wtf

[limber cedar]

For hsd, there aren't many other weapons that can match bighorn hsd DPS due to the talent.

[wet badger]

they nerfed ouro then made the chatterbox x2 as good as the ouro ever was, so do the project and get that

[inland tusk]

Got chatterbox got a good build

[wet badger]

The Backfire is also very good

[inland tusk]

Got a good build for dz for bighorn

[inland tusk]

Got that one

[craggy trench]

Backfire is criminally underrated

[wet badger]

Underrated because it takes 2 mags to be strong, people want instant results

[pulsar vapor]

Yall think snipers are useful or annoying

[crystal ferry]

what

[pulsar vapor]

Damn

[amber ice]

I didn't realise highkey was a thing.
It makes sense, just didn't occur to me.

[pulsar vapor]

Functions just about the same

Welp

[amber ice]

The filter is angry.

[pulsar vapor]

Very

I only use when coming across high armor builds

Other then that I mainly use perfect ranger and perfect focus

Op if you can hit your shots

[amber ice]

You can just copy+paste from the Spreadsheet if you want to save time.

P/ Ranger: Amplifies weapon damage by 2% for every 3m you are away from your target.
P. Focus: Increases total weapon damage by 6% every second you are aiming while scoped 8x or higher, up to 60%.

[pulsar vapor]

Yurr

You need a good team and aim if you want to make the most out of it unfortunately

A mix of both
If you want the high headshot damage

Try to take it on your own and you will see the entire enemy team rush you at mach Jesus

[amber ice]

There's a few Nemesis setups in the PvP guide within the Spreadsheet, might be worth taking a look.

[pulsar vapor]

I gotta plenty of lovely messages

Yep

[amber ice]

If you can't wait, you can find a team to farm it with.
If soimeone else has the BP already, they can loot a new copy, and then drop the Nemesis and share it with someone else in the group.

Yep! From the Invaded Grand Washington Hotel.

again though, it does need to be a fresh copy of the Nemesis, looted from bodies/countdown crates.

[pulsar vapor]

You'll become addicted to it

Nothing sweeter then dropping that 6 blue core in shot

Never tried it

Ooo

I'll try it
Once I come back from this work trip

Never been good a rushing/aggressive playstyle

But it doesn't hurt to try

I normally run Nemesis and perfect ranger nowadays

If the image would upload

You aren't the first lol

But I have to keep close to my team

Cuz then the other team would be distracted and not focus on me
And can then pick them off one by one

Type shii

A good sniper will just mess up your day in general lol

Yurr

Image almost uploaded

There we go

A Lil outdated

But it's mostly the same

[warped turtle]

Are there any groups running conflict on PC?

[tardy thistle]

Change the Airaldi holster for Contractor's, Scorpio doesn't have a place in PvP and Determined is a crutch for the talentless.

I'd use Contractor's over either Fox's or preferably Perfect Spotter, It's a fun build when you headshot someone for 4-5 million damage or just crit bodyshot a foot or leg and get a kill.

[ripe root]

you don't actually need nemesis in this build
Ar still your main weapon
Pick nemesis if you holding a angle

[rain sparrow]

from what ive noticed you gotta watchout for the ones using the pestilence

[tardy thistle]

That's a shit build for PvE or PvP, I wouldn't call it viable per se but if the player can hit shots it'll do damage.

[amber ice]

It does not.

Game from 2019, and it can't get added now.
Div3 will 99% have crossplay and save.

[ripe root]

Can't imagine console vs PC in pvp
Huge different of controller, build, game sense

[amber ice]

Other games manage it fine, div2 is not that unique as to be impossible to work out.
Or just have it able to get disabled per/player.

[mossy solstice]

Unbreakable+Vigi

You'll wanna shoot at distance with a build like that

Now if you're trying to achieve close range, don't bother with LMGs

Umbra with Pesti close range is viable

You'll still need to get the first hits in when the battle starts to really win tho

How's conflict been lately? I've been off div 2 for about 2w now

[mossy solstice]

I sniff a nerf in the future

Maybe the lost weapon damage from striker bag would be added as quicker Regen on the umbra backpack 😂😂

[limber cedar]

That's one of the few times that SC can save your S giving 1.8M to you Umbra players usually run DPS so they have quite low armor.

[mossy solstice]

True 😂😂 umbra players don't know what hit em when they get hit with that zero nameplate PSYCH!!

[tacit pond]

change umbra bag to buff the damage part and chest buffs the regen part 😊😊😊

[wicked summit]

Lookin for help to figure out a pvp build haven't played sence the game came out on Xbox an now I play on pc...so tring to get back into things but I'm so lost on all the stuff I have it's insane

If some one would help with a call I can share my screen an help me build a good pvp build would be awsome

[rapid dirge]

https://lite.evernote.com/note/e276d9da-3885-ebd9-5354-35b77ed1c75c

take your pick :}

[wicked summit]

is there one for the st elmos engine?

[rapid dirge]

elmo isnt really used for pvp. too low dmg output i think

[wicked summit]

I see alot of people running it plus it about the best one I got so far

[rapid dirge]

if its all u got just use it in place of the ars shown in the builds then. u dont have the lex?

[mossy solstice]

That would absolutely help I think

[wicked summit]

No not yet tring to get it

[rapid dirge]

U can’t get the lex anymore. Try a capacitor build or one with the exotic lmgs if u have any they are fun

[celest ravine]

is the eagle bearer still viable for dz ? or whats the hot stuff. i saw alot of bighorn and lexingtons, but those two are sadly like the only guns im missing

[craggy trench]

Bighorn and pesti

Capacitor umbra hybrids

[celest ravine]

ight thx

[abstract coral]

Did they change how kills are counted in conflict? Like I swear it was based on last hit, but now it feels like it based on who finished the down even if you did all the damage for the kill.

[wary olive]

No

[abstract coral]

Huh maybe I’m just going crazy then

[wary olive]

It's always been the damage number that downs them, latency plays a big factor

[tawdry pier]

Pretty sure the kill is yours when you hear that special sound effect when you down someone

And the lifeline mark you get in the killfeed

[abstract coral]

That what I thought but when I downed them then my teammate killed them the kill went to him so I was confused

[wary olive]

Nah

If you hear that ping, it's yours, finish doesnt count

I've heard it a few times

[craggy trench]

Use isac tracker

[wary olive]

It's bonded to my pc account

or does that matter?

Rogue Kills: 13,810
PVP Kills: 62,828

Only shows those two, which is DZ not conflict

My true conflict one is like 19,000, that website is usually wrong

[craggy trench]

That's why I said go off Isac tracker, forgot it doesn't show the difference between dz and conflict

[craggy trench]

And no you can track whoever you want

[abstract coral]

I got both downs and didn’t get a kill so it either a bug or they changed it

[craggy trench]

Could be that they had a dot effect on them?

The guy who got the "kill" popped his emp jammer so I'm guessing he had vile on?

Also BLK sucks

[wary olive]

^

Or they had hives on and they res’d before being downed again, they disappear off your screen before the kills are confirmed. Hard to say really.

If you pop firewall medkit at the right time when being downed, that will also revive you.

Many bugs in this game haha

[craggy trench]

Nah you can see right before death message pops up at least one of them is still downed and he didn't get the kill

[wary olive]

Weird, maybe him dying in their spawn bugged it out

Not something I’ve come across before

[craggy trench]

I'm assuming it's got something to do with the DoT from vile

[mystic fiber]

They changed it now whoever finishes the down player is a kill and u assist wich is hella stupid

[golden ermine]

Wow

[wet badger]

There is a big difference between roller and MnK for PvP, very few can compete Vs MnK, I know some who can and they're deadly but on an average basis it'll be total annihilation.

As long as u can disable it & provide native MnK to console then you cater to everyone.

I look forward to this.

[amber ice]

I'm aware of how PC/Console crossplay works for PvP, there's no need to explain it to me.

[neat musk]

other games do not manage it fine

thats why this whole debate still exists

console/pc crossplay destroys a game for 1 side no matter what

[amber ice]

Agree to disagree.

because it's pvp related, that's the only way this conversation is ever going to end.

[wet badger]

It's been this way since Project Resolve, only nerfed a tiny bit because of Picaro, such an overused build with an annoying playstyle, sit in cover like a bot but beam like a god. A true farmers build. It's funny because the build took ages to catch on.

[neat musk]

I mean mention a single game where console and PC are at complete equals (FPS context ofc)

I cant think of any

[wet badger]

Not really, not this patch. They nerfed the damage for no good reason.

[neat musk]

eb is shit again?

[wet badger]

Try winning a gunfight Vs Bighorn, u cant

[celest ravine]

GRRRRRRR i see thx

[rain sparrow]

I see people running eb in the dz all the time

[amber ice]

Regardless if it was actually nerfed or not, be slightly weary if you see people throw around the word "nerf" in div2.
A lot of people say "nerfed dead", when an item was more bought down a couple of % points, or even if another aspect of it was brought up to compensate.

[wicked summit]

can any one join a chat with me an walk me thru what i need to do to make a good pvp build.....im almost shade lvl 300

[amber ice]

@wicked summit There's a bunch of premade PvP builds in the 📌 pinned-message over in #td2-build-advice > 📌 > spreadsheet 2 > builds > PvP basics.

Made by the folks in here, so if you're confused, they can explain them to ya'

@warped turtle You're looking for #td2-clan-recruitment, GL Agent

[mossy solstice]

It's not that the EB is shit, it's just that... Well... There's better options 🤷 but don't let that deter you from eagle bearer. The talent is still viable

I still use it in dz 🔥🔥 gets me out of alot of situations considering I now main only 2 armor core builds 🤠

Eventually I'll go full Lyrical (bonus points if you get the reference) and run an all red build with unbreakable and EB 😂

[craggy hinge]

conflict puts me in a game by myself that i immediately lost...

[mystic fiber]

Happens or when u load up into a team elimination on last round of 0-3 ur just loaded up 2 get defeat

[tropic lagoon]

Guy flagged up and mowed me down with Pestilence like it was nothing. I love the concept of the DZ on paper but that just sucks.

[wet badger]

Dying is ok, you respawn and kill him back, justice served

[tardy thistle]

Difference between concept of the DZ and what happened is that your ego took a hit.

[tropic lagoon]

Pretty much, yeah

[rain sparrow]

nobody want to play in dz south anymore

[haughty mural]

We goat

[lusty zenith]

Bro PvP is just so toxic

[limber cedar]

It seems reasonable

[lusty zenith]

Like I was just farming dz and this guy killed me once and started hating

These the type of people that make other not want to play dz tbh

[rain sparrow]

the people we killed didnt even have their shd watch yet

[limber cedar]

Do not engage in any form of naming and shaming, harassment, or witch-hunting against individuals. Posting images, messages, or content that ridicules, defames, or encourages others to dislike or target someone is strictly prohibited. If you have concerns about another member, please report them to Modmail.```

[lusty zenith]

The guy was literally spamming hard R in voice chat

No way u just @ ed me for that

[limber cedar]

I don't give a Hyena S bro, follow the rules.

[lusty zenith]

T bagging, racist slurs, and overall hating and u go against me

[lusty zenith]

U must be one of them huh

Average division player at it again

[limber cedar]

I am just an ordinary player that follows rules regardless of how true someone else's opinion is, rules exist for a reason you know.

[lusty zenith]

So he can go around and spam N word

With no precautions

Gotcha I’ll try it out in the dz next time

[floral hearth]

Bro report him on XBOX not on discord

And get skills little bot

[limber cedar]

Just like you can just ignore him instead of going into discord like:
Guys, he is spamming n word, he's cheating and yada yada

[lusty zenith]

Can’t won’t flag him, for intake voice chat

Already reported for hate speech in game

[lusty zenith]

Actually idc anymore

Just rage baiting

[floral hearth]

Cringe

[lusty zenith]

Fr

[wet badger]

Must be your first time in DZ, such words don't phase me, if u want them dealt with then report directly to the platform, they do actually deal with these cases. No point whining in this chat for sympathy. In the mean time mute/block works wonders.

[amber ice]

@lusty zenith Please do report people via the official methods, but as for posting them on here: Rule 12.
It is worth noting that it's a PvP zone, it's not really going to be a happy place. Luckily, you can just entirely ignore it, since you can get everything from elsewhere.

[floral hearth]

@novel osprey ggs nub

[novel osprey]

@floral hearth eeeezzzzz farms!!!

[wet badger]

Which kind?

[amber ice]

@tropic sable Please tell me you aren't actually asking that on an official server?

[tropic sable]

i dont get it?

@amber ice

[wet badger]

Why would you delete that comment?

[amber ice]

Because requesting exploits is specifically against the rules.

[tropic sable]

as if thats an exploit\

(not that illd know anyway) but it sure doesnt look like it

[wet badger]

Do you even know what a cut strafe is?

[limber cedar]

Movement technique ≠ exploit Rivs

[tropic sable]

thank you

[amber ice]

So wait, you're asking how to move left and right?

I'm going to take the loss on that one, you sound like you need it.

I tried to google it, and every result is just "google it". The pvp community: helpful as always.

[opal coyote]

What is a good tanky build for PvP that also has decent damage

[visual bluff]

for tanky aggressive playstyle in conflict, big horn, regen, hzp. talents adrenalin rush, unbreakable, or perfect efficient and concussion.

for DZ.... empty DZ, or F11 cheat full support. /s

or pre-made DZ 4 stack with a good build synergy.

switching here and then, what is needed.

în the end "the house always wins". there is no build that is non-plus ultra in this game. depends on your playstyle and on your mates playstyle. it's always a gamble.

[opal coyote]

Yeah I’m looking for a dz build

[visual bluff]

solo. big horn regen, hzp, toggle rogue as soon as you enter and keep going.

[opal coyote]

I just made one

Gotta learn how to use it

Only thing I need is a better bag

[visual bluff]

good luck. if you manage to use it and play it properly, the only bag you need is a /emote "t-bag".

[opal coyote]

Thanks haha

@visual bluff what skills do you recommend using with it

[visual bluff]

defender done, emp sticky for the stagger, or foam.

[opal coyote]

Ok sweet thanks for the help

[visual bluff]

but it ALWAYS depends. you have to adept.

learning by doing.

make a big horn head shot build and a full ar crit build. you will see what fits you the best.

and then switch, when it's needed.

hold angles short and long range, dependeing on what build you have on. map knowledge and positioning.

if someone start cheesing the shit out of the game with shield and regulus. disengage as a solo.

[wet badger]

Essentially yes but there are better ways of doing so, it's not just the simple panning of the camera, it's a technique with a certain button combo that allows the instant change of direction, either 90° or 180°, the 180 is only really possible with a controller unless u cap FPS to below ~80 then u can do it with keyboard.

So if I dial this back to that snarky comment u left me regarding cross play balance "u don't need to tell me"

This is actually a really good example of intelligent game design that helps bridge the gap between input methods that isn't just jacking the aim assist to the max like CoD for example.

[novel osprey]

I’m a good player

[golden ermine]

Ngl id dodge you if i saw you in the dz

[novel osprey]

@golden ermine ya im goated

[tropic sable]

m ybad

[tardy thistle]

It's a status build with creeping death, not even the good version. He's lying but then again he also claimed to be a good player while playing console so that's an obvious red flag.

[tardy thistle]

No, only thing I know about firestarter is that it can set dogs on fire by removing burn resistance, I honestly don't even unlock spec pistols to keep my inventory clearer.

[tropic lagoon]

You mean wardogs, right? Not dogs dogs? 🥺

[crystal ferry]

what is that abomination

[amber ice]

It's an insane build, they told you.

[crystal ferry]

how do I unsee something

[tardy thistle]

Yeah warhounds, don't think a normal dog would survive the shotgun part to subsequently be set on fire.

[wet badger]

we have a special channel in my discord for builds like that

[wet badger]

Allow me to introduce a proper fire build

[ripe root]

I am ready for people spam skill noob

[calm plinth]

apex

in terms of controller vs mnk

Also overwatch, but aim assist is only enabled in custom games

[neat musk]

I dont think you understood what I meant

80% of top apex players are on controller., top 25 is all controller. that is not complete equal

overwatch is entirely mnk

I didnt mean console, wrong word. controller

there are what 130 pro apex players, 18 people are on mnk lol

mnk and roller/aim assist just will always be an unfair balance. overwatch and r6 are examples where mnk is just leagues ahead of controller because of no aim assist. the opposite also exists where aim assist exists but is too strong and pushes controller way beyond mnk. the 2 should just stay seperate

[calm plinth]

the only stat i could find was from 2023 algs where the highest controller majority was NA with 55%

but, i think controller vs mnk is actually pretty balanced among 90% of players, i play in diamond/champ lobbied in pc and controller players do fine

sure, it’s probably just survivors bias or something but every pc player has seen controller players that can compete and also pc players who would get slapped by an average controller player

[neat musk]

yea this isnt what I meant

I just mean a balance doesnt exist. not that a PC player can beat a controller player or vice versa

[calm plinth]

in terms of div i think it would be fine

[neat musk]

id rather just have them seperate

[calm plinth]

there’s no comp in this game and i think the average pvp player with controller and mnk could go equal

[neat musk]

also knowing how lazy MSV is I could see them just cranking aim assist for PVP and just leaving it

similar to what split gate did

[calm plinth]

also i only mean in this in terms of 1v1s

i think controller players can easily compete in 4v4s

[neat musk]

im not worried about controller being drowned out

more worried about aim assist being absurd

[calm plinth]

i mean players get smacked with certain programs so assuming they don’t change anything probably wouldn’t happen

div doesn’t have orbital aim assist i think which is what makes aim assist reslly op in games like cod and apex

[neat musk]

not rn but if the intention is crossplatform I could see it being added

current aim assist is fine but we also have no idea how it would play out

[calm plinth]

i just want dz to be active 💔

[neat musk]

🤨

If ya have this attitude why even click on this channel

“Balance of the game doesn’t matter cuz cheaters and idk how to change spawn doors so just ignore pvp balance”

yea a fun and enjoyable experience is also a good way to keep players lol

PVP being broken and horribly balanced is the main reason no one touches pvp

cuz everyone thinks its horrible cuz of the balance issues

I could give you probably 50 screen shots of pve people hating DZ cuz "the builds are ridiculous"

just in this discord alone

point is balance is important to keep people enjoying PVP. we shouldnt ignore

never said this

just said perfect balance doesnt exist and the 2 platforms should be seperate

that would be as easy as allowing a crossplay toggle for DZ and conflict

maybe

I just dont want giga aim assist like COD or no aim assist so console poeple never play with PC

im hoping we revert slightly back to div 1

not entirely just slightly

div 1 was defo a more enjoyable PVP experience

rose tinted glasses, was a dead gamemode all its life. people just like it now for whatever reason

it was certainly fun

I played in 1 or 2 of marco styles events for it

other then big streamer telling people to Q you barely found games

I like div 1 PVP style but I also like div 2 smoothness and QOL

so I hope the 2 can be blended

[amber ice]

I call it the "prequels phenomenon".

[floral hearth]

Eveything on Level 28? Naaaah dude

But nice build

[whole walrus]

there is a heartbreaker set for 100% pulse res, and it doesn't include ninja

[tawdry pier]

2 improv?

sheesh

[whole walrus]

use the gila guard, "chill out mask" with pulse res mods

and then yes, 1 improv

and you can utilize firewall specialization

and use remote pulse

I use this with a survivalist efficient FI healer in stairs

to push up especially

this build is especially powerful considering the fact that it counters other heartbreaker sets

as well as spotter vigi

[calm plinth]

no

conflict builds are usually pretty terrible

[shadow nymph]

does first blood for mmr work in conflict?

[crystal ferry]

not required but if you need/want those HH stacks in your first shot

[wet badger]

First Blood is disabled in PvP, Devs didn't think an MMR should 1 tap to the body.

Then the new devs introduced Determined...

😐

No, you can make a full red glass sniper pop shot build, should hit around 2.8M well made

[wet badger]

Except spotter builds have been replaced by Umbra builds, pulse res HB was good back in the day but not anymore, catharsis is irreplaceable.

It is good yes but fenris is better than Picaro now, you can sneak in a hazard roll, or better yet, roll all HB rolls to hazard and beat practically all regen players, make sure u use a regular ACS and roll brazen

Sit in horizontal cover, wait for enemy to peak, line up cross hair and pop shot

It's reliant on desync, so u will 1 tap players before your body peeks from cover, if this game had better tick rate this build wouldn't be so good

3 hotshot, 2 of the MMR brand set, then perfect glass cannon.

If I'm not mistaken the White Death is back on the menu as top pick, don't quote me on it, I don't use this build.

Hasburg

[tardy thistle]

3p Hotshot, PGC, Airadli and contractor's.

vig

[tardy thistle]

Yes, hazpro sub attributes aren't a bad idea as anything hurts when you run PGC.

[wet badger]

yes ofc

[brazen mantle]

Downing a player in conflict no longer counts as a kill unless you confirm them yourself. Was this done intentionally?

[limber cedar]

What you mean? Any pvp game with down/revive mechanic works like that.

[brazen mantle]

@limber cedar but before if you downed a player and your teammate confirms them it still counted as your kill it no longer does this.

[golden ermine]

Tbf i agree that it is an issue but the huge grind is the biggest thing killing pvp rn imo

[brazen mantle]

@simple apex exactly 🤣

[floral hearth]

Yeah I noticed that after 3 kills at long distance my group didnt got the manhunt and we're just 1 kill to get it

Its a problem on DZ too

[brazen mantle]

@floral hearth damn in the dz also 😩🤦🏼‍♂️

[floral hearth]

I dont really know how it glitched... I downed some players with the nemesis at long distance and they just pressed (B) on xbox to "surrender" but Instead to increase the score to jump on manhunt it didn't

I had to literally full kill a player with my weapons to get the score

[tawdry pier]

okay so that's why i was hardstuck at rank 0 after holding the door on like 4 people

[mossy solstice]

Welp would've been nice knowing that before trying to use it

[mossy solstice]

@limber cedar I noticed this as well. Played a few conflict (ew) matches. Killed a good number of players but would walk out the lobby with more assists than kills... Yet I had 5 times the damage as any of my teammates? They definitely made some changes where you have to get the down and kill the downed for the kill to fully count. Technically, you only downed them, they're not dead. When they're face kissing the ground is when they're dead. I sorta get the change but I sorta don't at the same time

Haven't much been playing division 2 at all recently. PvP is in a terrible spot right now and PvE offers nothing to me. I hope next season they nerf umbra's rate of fire for PvP only. Pestilence needs a reload nerf again, as well as fire rate nerf. Shoots way too fast right now. Change it to about 800 RPM or so I think that would be fair

Sys Corr needs a serious buff, so does true Patriot. Exodus gloves also need a slight change, the talent's duration is still a tad bit short. Make it hide nameplate for 5s but the smoke disappears after 3s. Pulse immunity should last 5s as well. Expertise should just be removed from DZ entirely. I get that anyone can do it, but it would just be most fair to remove it entirely. Additionally, grant watch bonuses to all players, even if not shd 1k. Why nerf the players who played till 1k? Just buff all players. This goes for conflict of course. Dark Zone has SHD brackets now so no need for that. There's probably a ton more you guys have input on but that's where I'd start if I had the power to fix the pvp in this game.

[ripe root]

Syscor weak because the changes of medkit
They make sc can't using instant kit are make sense
The duration i think it also make sense, since sc design like "invincible in 5s"
If devs are going to buff sc, I think they should increase the damage, or getting rewards if achieve something

[mossy solstice]

Few ways sys Corr can be buffed:

1.) increase the damage you deal. Pretty simple. Backpack doubles bonus armor, why can't the backpack do the same about weapon damage? Or just buff the damage you deal when having bonus armor as a whole

2.) increase the talent's duration. Why only for 5 seconds? Hiding nameplate for 5 seconds is plenty. Bonus armor tho? You'll be dead before those 5s are up. Increase it to 10 seconds

3.) reduce the cooldown between using the talent. Chest should bring it to 10s, base should be 15s. Not 20s, chest brings down to 15s. That's a horrible wait time. If sys Corr can't use instant kits, then make the talent cooldown SHORTER. The gearset relies on armor on kill and if you're not killing, it's a useless gearset!

True Patriot is kind of its own killer as well. The color refresh isn't fast enough to be viable for a gear set. The chest increases the speed, the backpack boosts the bonuses.... Issue is that the bonuses aren't all that strong when compared to sledgehammer or opportunistic. This applies to both pvp and pve. The gearsets talent needs some buffing, and the backpack needs some slight tweaking. Increase the color refresh just slightly, make the chest do the same as that. Would be a step in the right direction to bring back older builds into the current season's build choice/"meta" by making them be compelling choices as opposed to other choices available already. I believe it would also be a good step in the right direction at leveling the overwhelming build meta of just Regen and umbra builds

[golden ermine]

Sys works, just not meta, it is good at killing squishy builds(1.5 or lower) i think just giving it normal insta kits with sys kits would be fine without overtuning it

[mossy solstice]

That's the other thing tho, if all you can kill is squishy builds, then there's simply not enough damage

Bc all it takes is your daily bighorn user to Regen his way thru the fight and just toy with you

These devs will never allow instant kits back with sys Corr, unless they find a way to allow infinite kits while also sticking with 4 armor kits as instant kits... The code itself would be a nightmare to figure out

[limber cedar]

I agree with the buff things but at this point I feel like an old man complaining about high taxes in front of a city hall empty road

[mossy solstice]

Only way to get it on the radar with this game sadly is to talk about it. The current season's meta is driving me away from touching this game at all

I love the game but I mean, if all I'm going against is Regen or Umbra or pestilence every single fight I get... I may as well take my business to cod 🤷 it's become too stale. I liked the variety pvp had the last few seasons

Surely I can't be the only one to have noticed this

[wet badger]

the code was buggy, insta kits did take from your pool of 4 with system, but system allowed to use them at 0, if u took a 4th piece off it would show your medkit count according to your insta kit usage. the thing is i have a video showing this in action but the devs nerfed this combo for fear of it being OP rather than respond with a QoL update a couple of weeks down the line.

I personally think they could make System work like Nomad from div 1, you can tap the kit up front and enter a fight with what is essentially an overheal, no expiry time

[ripe root]

my through is

1. As you say, increase armor like 300% 400% armor, but still 5s, or you having few charges of pop armor

2, cd return depends how many armor you left, to force enemy player fight with you but not running, but remove the 20%regen

[golden ermine]

Dumb question but wasnt picaros nerfed to 10% weap dam? I got a 15% one rn

[mossy solstice]

Those would be good changes too. Personally I think if they're gonna keep system the way it is now, a damage buff is needed or a talent timer needs to be increased. Or, give even more bonus armor. Like 150% instead of only 100%

[mossy solstice]

Okay so that's a bug feature rn. If you had a Picaros drop without max WD and optimized it to full, you have a pre nerf Picaros

[golden ermine]

Ooo

[mossy solstice]

Very rare since I'm pretty sure the past few updates, it dropped always max 15%

Then the nerf to 10% happened

I do not know if this is a visual bug, not many know about it rn, but DEFINITELY test. I don't have a bugged Picaros

If you have a bugged Picaros, Picaros is still technically meta... ASSUMING the 15% counts and it's not a visual bug

[golden ermine]

Also to your point about true patriot, the values are wayyy too low, id like to see it still work as a support dps . Id say have it nerf enemy healing(including regen) and nerf the dps they do by a decent amount

[mossy solstice]

I agree with this. The buffs on TP are just way too low. Even if they'll be set that low, at least make the color swap faster

My alt setup to true Patriot now is just use a high end build with setup backpack and the overlord shotgun

[inland tusk]

Tp buffs should be without bp 12% ,with bp 20% imho,except white one 😂

[wet badger]

The white buff has never worked as described. It states that it heals your team mates but it doesnt, i dont recall that it ever did.

They nerfed the values at the same time they stopped the pesti's ticks from working with it, only 1 nerf was necessary.

So they need to restore the white buff to 3 (5%) and make it work with the team, then review it, the base 8% can be increased to something like 10% with the bag at 15%, I think if we pick 20% u risk it becoming a must pick in any team and while im not opposed to support builds becoming meta it might just be too much.

Imagine if Aegis worked in PvP + for the team like Cav, u could have Future, Cav, Aegis, TP, could be funny to see

[craggy trench]

Tbh I'd rather have buff meta because then it at least takes more team coordination and build synergy

[wet badger]

Buff meta can only exist if the PvP modifier is turned down, we need a slower TTK to make the stacking of buffs ber the preferred way of playing the game, right now its just damage, stick on umbra, seet in da cava and wait for plebs to peek angles badly, hit cover and beam with guns that have no recoil

[tropic lagoon]

DZ East having a rifle loot allocation today is surely going to make the Ravenous drop and totally isn't copium, right? Right?? 👀