td2-build-advice

[hexed steppe]

looks good. this type of setup is pretty flexible with what you use tbh. you could swap to gunner and get some armor on kill, and banshee pulse which can be pretty clutch at buying some time

[shy willow]

Imo go for HF

But high end is also really good

Just depends whether you want dodge city or crowd control/survivability

[hexed steppe]

might try firewall shield with the hf setup if you dont need sharpshooter to hit 150%+ headshot damage. synergizes well

😎

[onyx sage]

i only use determined.

never used regulus ever in my life.

[shy willow]

Looks good

[shy willow]

Did your wife get into your account sir

[charred eagle]

Does the capacitor drop in countdown? Not really tryin to do summit challenges… but if that’s the only way then I will

[shy willow]

Your first has to be from summit

After that it will drop anywhere

[charred eagle]

Damn

[hexed steppe]

its basically the easiest challenges and its a guaranteed drop. i doubt you spend more than 20 minutes and have a cap in hand

[forest rampart]

the backpack for refactor isnt good right? whats a good alternative? wyvern with something?

[deep fossil]

Named Hana u, memento (if u run solo), or Ninjabike bag

[forest rampart]

ooo, thanks, Ive got a good named hana bag I forgot about

[deep fossil]

If u run with named Hana u, it's better to use Waveform holster, and then keep using Refractor's chestpiece

[forest rampart]

are there specific skills that work well with that?

[deep fossil]

Just good'ol turret/drone

[forest rampart]

alrighty, cool, I can run that to start. what would it look like with ninjabike bag?

[deep fossil]

Ninjabike bag, 3 refractor (with chestpiece), 1 Hana u, and 1 empress

[forest rampart]

okay, cool, thank you

[solar sable]

just to point, any build with nbb is going to be mid or bad
it's not a great exotic.

[forest rampart]

I was gonna run with waveform for now, but really? any other game an ability to combine gearsets, even partially would be almost always meta

[solar sable]

not in division, nbb is a newbie trap
it may be fun to use but it's not great to lose a powerful/more useful backpack talent, for example, Vigilance.

[forest rampart]

that makes sense, and is good to know

[shy willow]

In the context of a skill build you'd be losing combined arms or tech support etc

[charred eagle]

Yall using the chest piece for refractor or nah?

[frozen hull]

I am

But I’ve seen a few builds who aren’t using the chest or back pack

I’m doing the mask chest holster .. ninja back pack and empress hands and knees build im not noticing as big of a difference between that and the build in the pinned builds .. when it comes to striker drone and turret

[hazy steeple]

The use of the NBB (ninja bag) is the big difference there.

Seeing that it's very much almost never a good choice.

[torpid scroll]

can someone help me with a striker build ? i just hit lvl 40

[hazy steeple]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/sh/0ee25268-ad51-0dd8-be36-f12373c7630a/ed1072bcb59a18f66b8619994f12c4e6

[cobalt laurel]

Anyone have a good build to shoot for if I wanted to help people with raids?

[solar sable]

Coyote's mask
4pc Striker's
Ceska Chestpiece with Obliterate
everything rolled to crit DMG and Crit Chance (CHD/CHC)

[hazy steeple]

You'll need between 50 and 55% CHC (crit chance) to make it work. Don't go over.

[torpid scroll]

for striker build

[solar sable]

the usual
Striker's.

[frozen hull]

I’m not seeing a huge difference but to me the drone and turret builds always seem a bit slow

[hazy steeple]

Yep, for Strikers.
And make sure you break 100% CHD.

[torpid scroll]

did i get this off youtube bro

nah jk lol

[solar sable]

lol

[hazy steeple]

@frozen hull The big difference is that you are missing out on a backpack Talent entirely.

[cobalt laurel]

Ah built it in Div1, is it just get 4 pieces and the other 2 are anything for crit or?

[torpid scroll]

wdym rolled

[hazy steeple]

backpack Talents are some of the strongest that we have.

[solar sable]

second and third attributes

[torpid scroll]

also what gun do i use for the striker build

[torpid scroll]

how do i roll

[solar sable]

Almost anything
St Elmo's is the basic pick

[torpid scroll]

mantis it is

[hazy steeple]

Mantis is fantastic as a melee weapon for crit builds

[torpid scroll]

no but fr how do i roll stuff

[solar sable]

It should come out naturally, a lil difficult to get it dropped with those but not impossible

BUT let me explain a bit more

[hazy steeple]

div2 works a bit differently.

[torpid scroll]

bruh is this gonna be me grinding outfits just like i’m grinding for the scorpio

i’m doomed this is warframe all over again

[frozen hull]

No I get that .. but I use the pinned drone turret build here in the server .. and comparing it with the refractor one I’m just not seeing anything dying any slower or faster between the two .. but I mostly play solo

[torpid scroll]

is this fr

[hazy steeple]

Absolutely, because about all the use Mantis has on a crit build is to physically hit them with it.

[solar sable]

Your Library.
The Library helps you with the recalibration and optimization part of gear. It stores attributes and talents that you extract from gear.

[torpid scroll]

so i can put those rolls on the items i pick up

[solar sable]

It's optimal to extract god rolls, in simpler words, max rolls.

Yes, you can recalibrate ONE attribute or talent at a time

[hazy steeple]

The issue is not comparing it to another build, it's using NBB makes you lose out on damage Talents, which are going to hurt.

[solar sable]

Those extracted atts and talents have infinite uses, don't worry that they'll wear off

[torpid scroll]

bruhhh the coyotes mask is an exotic in actually cooked

[torpid scroll]

okay i see

[solar sable]

it's not that hard for exos to drop, or at least most of them

[frozen hull]

Run countdown with mask as your loot and it will drop eventually

The build I normally run is the build with coyotes and it’s a great build

Things melt

[torpid scroll]

oh at least i can farm it from a boss on it with a 7% drop or is that changed with the updates

[torpid scroll]

bro i’ve been doing countdown for 2 days without a single drop 💔

[frozen hull]

You can still farm it at coyote I believe

[torpid scroll]

i have no luck 😭😭

[solar sable]

bad rng, keep trying!

this game is an, almost if not definitely, infinite grind

[hazy steeple]

Farming it from the JTC is a not great plan, as yeah, it only has a single chance to drop per run.
JTC with Mask TL+Directives on will be your best bet, followed by Countdown, then Summit+Dir, then Priority Objectives.

[frozen hull]

That’s same as me with wanting ther overlord exotic shot gun.. it’s never even a recommended shot gun I just like how it looks and it has not dropped yet

[torpid scroll]

how do i get vesak chest piece with obliterate

[solar sable]

Ceska Vyroba TL

[torpid scroll]

i’ve been trying to get the scorpio

[torpid scroll]

what’s that

[frozen hull]

Same you gotta farm it everything’s a farm

[hazy steeple]

Ignore any fancy names the items have, just go by the brand.

[solar sable]

a gear brand

[torpid scroll]

so does gear make my weapon do that crazy dmg ?

[torpid scroll]

okay

[frozen hull]

I mean it will
Boost your damage

Depending on how you build

[onyx sage]

yeah it's not just your gun

[solar sable]

sorta, Obliterate gives you buffs with every stack you get, don't focus on the technical part as Striker's does all the work itself

forgot to reply

[torpid scroll]

so ceska i can get from countdown yea

[solar sable]

yup

[frozen hull]

If you’re doing a strikers build you wanna get to or nears 60% crit chance and then everthing else in crit dmg

[torpid scroll]

is that the easier way to obtain it

[frozen hull]

Yes

[torpid scroll]

wanna do it with me

pause

[frozen hull]

Cause you’ll get a ton of drops for a 15 min encounter

[torpid scroll]

wanna do the countdown with me

[frozen hull]

I can’t get on right now unfortunately

[solar sable]

some exotics are locked to different parts of the game
For example Eagle Bearer is from Dark Hours. Regulus and Ravenous from Iron Horse.
Ouroboros from Incursion.
Capacitor from Summit (unlock). And a couple others I can't remember rn

[calm crag]

Eagle and Ravenous are DZ drops as well

[solar sable]

ridiculously low chance but yea

[frozen hull]

I really wanna get those two as well

Especially ravenous

[torpid scroll]

is the scorpio locked

[solar sable]

nope

[calm crag]

nope

[torpid scroll]

ok cool striker armor is the name of the armor ?

[calm crag]

yes

[frozen hull]

Yup

[calm crag]

the symbol is like a revolver chamber

[solar sable]

Striker's Battlegear

[torpid scroll]

ok and that stuff is in countdown too i’m assuming

[solar sable]

just don't be a weirdo and don't type Strykers or imma go insane

[solar sable]

ye

[torpid scroll]

how do i get that strykers armor easily ?

😭😭😭😭😭

[calm crag]

Stryker's

[torpid scroll]

not typing anymore bro went insane

[frozen hull]

Just make sure to set you loot table to what you want to drop

[torpid scroll]

ok imma get that chest piece first

[solar sable]

im about to have a crashout

[calm crag]

no need for chest piece

stryker's holster,knees,gloves and backpack

[frozen hull]

If you don’t have strikers already I’d set that loot table first as you’ll need 4 pieces of it

[torpid scroll]

good that’s what u get for wishing a damn backpack on me

[solar sable]

lmfaooo

[torpid scroll]

ok i’ll get the stryker stuff first then the chest since that’s what u guys are recommending

is it also orange rarity

[calm crag]

i sent you the build i'm running

[solar sable]

teal are gearsets

[torpid scroll]

and is there a way to only get stryker armor or do i need to put knee pads and what not on the tier list

[calm crag]

set loot as brand/gear set always

[torpid scroll]

so i can just put one onto my selected thing and it’ll just drop that

[solar sable]

backpack, holster, knees and gloves

[solar sable]

yup

[frozen hull]

Have you ever done summit or countdown before @torpid scroll ? Do you know how to set the loot table ?

[stoic viper]

do summit, go to map, down the bottom left you have the option to select targeted loot, pick strikers.

[torpid scroll]

i’ve done countdown that’s it ya ik how to do that one

[solar sable]

What the hell is ascend
oh mb

[frozen hull]

Ok good

Just didn’t want you goin on there and not seeing these drops haha

[solar sable]

just to point out, the strikers chest is only for legendary and the incursion's bosses

it's hard to maintain all 200 stacks on normal content

[frozen hull]

Yeah nothings gonna live long enough in heroic for it to matter ahha

[torpid scroll]

thank you bro

[torpid scroll]

so it’s best for hard missions is what i’m hearing

[solar sable]

imma go to sleep, you can trust these guys with build advice

[solar sable]

ye

[torpid scroll]

ok bet

first the armor set the the vest then the mask then my gun

[stoic viper]

dont do it, its a trap

[earnest pendant]

which minor attribute on st elmos is better on coyote obliterate striker, crit dmg or dmg to target out of cover?

[patent fossil]

Out of cover, pretty much always

[earnest pendant]

lol perfect, just rolled myself a godly one then

[slow tide]

What build can I use for the ouroburos. Please

[subtle bluff]

Same has anything else that's an SMG.

[slow tide]

Ok thanks bud 👍

[hazy steeple]

@slow tide If you want a more detailed answer: Hunters Fury is excellent with it.

slap it on the Memento version (ceska chest, the rest HF), and you'll be laughing.

[brisk hollow]

I'm playing with the ongoing directive set, lemington was recommended but found out that gun is not obtainable anymore. What would be a good alternative?

[red island]

any gun with good stats and you add sadist as talent on it

[slow tide]

Thank you for the advice 👍

[brisk hollow]

Alright thanks! And on the guns is dmg to armor stat better then acc correct?

[patent fossil]

damage to targets out of cover is generally the best choice for third stat

[brisk hollow]

Ok gotcha, don't have that one as option rn. And can't tinker anymore.

[patent fossil]

damage to armor would be second-best option

[tranquil wave]

DTA is pve first choice, DTTAOF is pvp first choice

[urban latch]

Dtooc is first choice for both

[tranquil wave]

best to have both on a single gun

easier content

[shy willow]

The only ones you can have both on are shotguns and LMGs

Capacitor too

[red island]

only lmg/shotguns have that, and its not the best weapon type

[timber dagger]

Hi i have been playing a month crit chance 50 crit dmg 127 dmg is just 700k a bullet and underwelming. Should i switch to striker?

[patent fossil]

striker will hit for more once stacks are up, less when they're not, but it's the most popular build for good reason

[timber dagger]

@patent fossil can u guide me on the highest dmg 4 striker 1 fenris 1 coyote?

[patent fossil]

if you're happy running glass cannon and vigilance then current best option for most content is The Sacrifice (named chest) and The Gift (named backpack) with 4pc striker

The Gift is a DZ exclusive, but another ceska or providence crit backpack with vigilance (like the one you appear to be already using) will be just fine

[shy willow]

As a heads up brands that boost weapon damage like fenris and walker aren't good outside of headhunter builds and pvp

[timber dagger]

Ok ill farm and show u the dmg. Ill just replace mask/ bag/ glove / knee pad with striker. I don't think i can go anything other than thoae my crits will suffer

[patent fossil]

keep the bag, replace the holster with striker

[timber dagger]

I jist ran 1 countdown run and replaced 4 yellow with strijer and hitting 1.1 million easily at full striker not even the best pieces

[tranquil wave]

well with proper builds it work really well at any scenario

[red island]

proper builds dont usually run lmg or shotguns

[hazy steeple]

OD.

HF HSD builds use shotguns.

LMG's were buffed quite a lot fairly recently.

[hoary sail]

yeah lmg's are good atm

[hazy steeple]

With this Season's reload speed buff, they're even better now.

[magic pilot]

Also ACS-12 with brazen

[hazy steeple]

ACS in general has a spot on the meta build, since Strikers.

[rain scarab]

bullet king my beloved, oh i wish it was better

[pastel crane]

Okay, since I've been using Refactor with striker drone/assault turret for a while, is it viable to use it with seekers?

[patent fossil]

Without much to reduce the cooldown to a reasonable level it will probably feel painfully slow

[tranquil wave]

strikers + crit chest + obliterate + lmg with ddtoc and dta +measured will hit more than any other build with strikers ive tried

[red island]

then you didnt try enough builds

also there is more to it than raw damage otherwise everybody would run only strikers

[pastel crane]

Guess it's a good thing I have my Mortar/Seeker build for that

[rain scarab]

yeah! it's like there's entire builds using a single gun that can out damage strikers lol

[red island]

it depends what type of damage you wanna do too

[patent fossil]

Emotional damage

[red island]

like nego diamondback will outdps everything aoe

[red island]

ok dad

[rain scarab]

laughs in regulus headhunter

[red island]

dont know, dont have regulus

still havent done ih raid

[rain scarab]

i dont have it either but ive seen the stupidity it can deal

[charred eagle]

Not gon lie… Ongoing Directive prolly my favorite gear set right now with the iron lung and centurion holster… the hollows go crazy

[worn mango]

If you like LMG, use the Carnage as Perfect Sadist will do more damage. If you're indifferent, use a High End AR with Sadist

Bluescreen also works very well as it self statuses

[onyx sage]

iron lung is so good

[red island]

yeah but its no fun

[onyx sage]

wdym

[tepid trout]

They're used for different things completely

Nego DB is for boss 1 dh that's it since you can't reliably mark ads without 1 shotting them or dropping stacks

reg HH is good for missions and open world since you can maintain HH but is completely useless in raids or 3/4 man legendary

[magic pilot]

Yea he wasn't talking about DH before though lol

Also you can absolutely use reg in 4 man legendary

[vestal ibex]

We nego diamond back boss 1+2 in iron horse now too.

Boss 1 doesn't require anything as long as you've got the build and expertise but using it on boss 2 requires a lot of set up.

[onyx sage]

you can reg in 4 man legendary absolutely, you just need to prestack HF more than you do in 2 man or below to comfortably kill elites

[timid plume]

Should Regulus have ''Headshot damage'' or is DTTOOC better? Or can it not roll that?

[onyx sage]

dttooc

[pale plover]

Anyone have a really good Regen/Solo play build they could send me a screenie of? Looking to build one for Legendary/Master PvE

[urban latch]

nope

[worn mango]

@urban latch is hiding the real sauce clearly

Refactor Regen Rejuvenating build

[versed summit]

Waiting for raucey to add his secret build for channel members on YT

That and the true gate strat he’s tried to keep suppressed

[tepid trout]

Doesn't kill golds with full stacks without future or other buffs which you shouldn't have in a good group

[tepid trout]

Forgot to mention ih

[onyx sage]

i mean you still use it in speeds, even if you can't kill with reg you can use m870. wonder how you guys do zoo without reg hh

[tepid trout]

I don't run zoo personally that and tidal I just avoid

[onyx sage]

well reg hh makes a lot of the harder stages easier in zoo. it trivializes everything before savannah, croc pit and birdhouse

[torpid scroll]

i got a weapon called chameleon is this good

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no.

Yes once you get talent up it's really good. If you can't than kind of meh.

[versed summit]

also very poor range, usability for an AR

[timid plume]

I deconstructed some exotics on my alt. 👍

[fair dragon]

Still a drop in the bucket

[hazy steeple]

You're never going to max out that meter, as Exotic Components are basically the biggest hurdle you have at true end-game crafting.

Expertise levels alone are going to drain that account.

tl;dr the bucket has no base.

[fair dragon]

Well

dammit it's too early for double punchlines

[hazy steeple]

Well's have a base lol.

I guess the cavern below doesn't really count. Sure, let's go with that

[worn mango]

How does the well fit into my build though?

Can it take over Coyote's?

[hazy steeple]

You may want to throw the game down one after you fail to get Coyotes 500 times.

[worn mango]

But I've run Countdown 420 times and still don't have it

And literally used all that currency on exotic caches and still didn't get it

[hazy steeple]

You get enough for another one every 2-3 runs, so you'll get one eventually.
As long as you have the right TL on.

[worn mango]

I wonder what the most universally used piece of gear is. Has to be Coyote's, Ninjabag or Momento

[hazy steeple]

With some of the builds I've seen, I wouldn't be shocked if it was the middle one.

Memento wins for most versatile Exotic Gear for sure.

[worn mango]

The amount of builds I see with Ninja is hilarious

And then still four pieces of striker

[timid plume]

How many weapons would one need at 28 expertise to be considered a no lifer? 🤔

[worn mango]

1

[hazy steeple]

I want to be mean and say 1, but honestly, Expertise is just a matter of time spent, and that time can be stretched out.
The funny thing is, Expertise is very much not a requirement for an endgame build.

[worn mango]

I just hit 21 today and I feel like it'll never end lol

[timid plume]

21 overall expertise or your first weapon at that level?

[worn mango]

21 expertise

And a gun but I have others I can get there, just no need

[hazy steeple]

Funny thing is: Expertise these days is way less of a sign of no-lifers, as the costs were halved not that long ago.
1-2 Seasons back, IIRC.

[worn mango]

I can't even imagine the old way, yeesh

[timid plume]

👍

And Regulus is not in the picture actually.

[solar berry]

wtf 😳

Why so many 28s

[timid plume]

I'm the type of person that can't stand it when something is not maxed out.

[solar berry]

Bro is gonna have 4 characters full of lvl 28s with BPs and stash worth

[strong cave]

Wait until 30 expertise comes out. That'll basically be the equivalent of 2 free weapon cores on the build no? 😂😂

[subtle bluff]

Weapons. No when you see someone with bad builds and EVERYTHING is max expertise on 4 or more loadouts.

But then again it's been around 12 months since I've started doing incursions and now I'm around 1.6k clears somehow... at least half are FTC runs.

But also if you're high enough SHD it's really that hard to exp everything up.

[torpid scroll]

yo if i use stuff from my library it just stays there forever right ?

[fair dragon]

More than halved
It cost 55 for exp 11-20, then 20 for every expertise level above that.
So an exp28 weapon would have cost 215 exotic components

[versed summit]

yep

[torpid scroll]

okay thank you man

[hexed steppe]

If it was pre resolve costs, 1.
Now with it being a fraction of the cost maybe 20

[torpid scroll]

would 14.5% compared to 15% even make a difference when all my other striker gear weapon damage is 15%

[hexed steppe]

Not really

[torpid scroll]

okay thank you

[versed summit]

you will not notice

[torpid scroll]

alright cool thank you

[subtle bluff]

I remember for the longest of time I didn't have any of FI healer with random stats. Health skil dmg and w/e and it was fine.

[quick dune]

Does anyone know where tp find the blueprints for gold and cyan armor? Is just getting lucky from the vendor?

[proven merlin]

Gear sets and high end? you can get them from most if not all activities on the harder difficulties by completing them. it is heavily rng though so you cant control what you get

[quick dune]

Awwww, okay. Also, thanks for giving me the right terms

[keen meteor]

I didnt realize exodus procs the safezone regen

or noncombat regen whatever

it really is a cheap unbreakable for pve

[shy willow]

It's literally unbreakable but better and doesn't hog chest talent

[rich cosmos]

I’ve noticed its not 100% consistent on the armor regen

[shy willow]

iirc swapping weapons triggers it

[rich cosmos]

Might be an issue with ground play

Group*

[next arrow]

What is best way to get god rolled AR/ what should I look for

[shy willow]

Likely

[shy willow]

Getting a true god roll is like 1 in 20000 or something

Just focus on getting the right rolls

Target farm whatever you need in countdown

[next arrow]

Are there specific drop rates or is it all random

I’m looking for either famas or even an exotic if there is a good one

[light bobcat]

dm if someone can help me with build

[versed summit]

It’s much easier if you ask here

[light bobcat]

well this my build now

what should i chamge just started game

[versed summit]

Some zones and missions have targeted loot that will drop more of whatever category. So you can farm AR targeted loot after selecting it in countdown or summit. Or see if it’s in the map

[light bobcat]

i want to do a build around this weapon

[solar sable]

Coyote's instead of striker's mask
Ceska Oblit chest

[solar sable]

does it have DTOC?

[hybrid hatch]

Is refractor the first geasrset since system corruption to have different core attribute types?

[versed summit]

Yep

Honestly kinda bs but neat that they remembered they can do that

[hybrid hatch]

Lol

[light bobcat]

what is that

[solar sable]

DMG to Target Out of Cover

[light bobcat]

yes

[hybrid hatch]

Does incoming repairs boost the refactor talent or no

[warm knot]

Excellent find. Dttooc (damage to targets out of cover) is the best for ARs. Try this weapon with the striker build from the spreadsheet.

[light bobcat]

sick were is the spreedsheet?

[warm knot]

Oh my bad, it's in the pinned messages in this channel.

[light bobcat]

cool ty

[hazy hull]

Is this a good sweet dreams mostly rocking a crit build anyway so

[warm knot]

The best is damage to target out of cover, for any weapon but lmgs. The best for lmgs is crit chance. What build are you using?

[hazy hull]

A sniper build mostly crit headshots and using sweet dreams to clean up anyone who closes the gap

[warm knot]

Have you tried the hotshot + determined build already? Crit setups ain't great for snipers.

[hazy hull]

Not really just using whats fun to me

Getting through challenging difficulty with a few deaths here and there and overall having fun

[warm knot]

Well I'll just say that, hotshot + determined can 1 shot most enemies with the right setup even in legendary. If that's fun or no I'll leave that for you to decide

[hazy hull]

Is there a link to the build?

[warm knot]

Check the pinned messages in this channel for the spreadsheet. You're looking for "sniper setups" section in the spreadsheet.

[hazy hull]

Kk

[fair dragon]

Damage Targets Out Cover

[keen meteor]

I mean with exodus it’s just healing due to removing all hostile aggro, which causes the noncombat UI to proc. The healing is the healing that happens when combat is over which is why it will A) never work in the shooting range and B) will probably desync or not properly remove aggro to fully heal

The healing is a byproduct of removing aggro, which is why it isn’t mentioned in either patch notes or the actual gear stats

[cerulean smelt]

at first when i read the talent. i was like PvE wont' matter since the npcs always knows where we are, pvp could work if one can make a build to make it more confusing for the player that procced it

then i saw videos of post PTS and was like holy hell, it actually works!

[keen meteor]

The reason it works like unbreakable is due to how the game handles healing post combat

Since you aren’t “in combat” while in the smoke cloud you heal

[cerulean smelt]

yeah i get that part, just didn't think pve would've worked in general

[keen meteor]

Just a happy little accident that gave us unbreakable on gloves lmfao

[cerulean smelt]

in duo we can have 2 unbreakables or even 3?

[keen meteor]

Wdym by that

[cerulean smelt]

gloves, breakable chest. another player running around with you with Tardigrade

[rich cosmos]

I know 😐

Im pointing out the issue with aggro loss

[cerulean smelt]

well, actually maybe 2 unbreakables total. if we even wore the unbreakable chest with the gloves, both would go off at once, unless we have a build set up with the chest talent we can swap to before reengaging then 3

[keen meteor]

Yeah they probably just don’t have a way to implement the aggro loss that’s consistent lmao

[cerulean smelt]

i haven't used it yet, haven't found a build i'd like them in atm really

i know most any build will work with them, just want something specific with it you know?

[rich cosmos]

Just use umbra

[shy willow]

They go completely blind to you for like 3 seconds

After that the visual clutter from the smoke can be annoying

[cerulean smelt]

not a fan of umbra honestly. too much to process. taking cover to gain a stack for out of cover thing, then gaining stacks outside of cover to gain cover thing

[rich cosmos]

It should probably get raised to about 4 or 5 seconds

[keen meteor]

Countdown is so hilarious atm you just have a whole field of ppl smoking the area out

[shy willow]

As it is it's still really powerful

[cerulean smelt]

was going to say if it's 3 seconds it's more than enough as is. 4-5 would probably increase it's cooldown massively

[keen meteor]

Short cooldown plus you have the second long delay of them retargeting the player for anims or just wonky AI

[shy willow]

Good on them for giving us a unique exotic that's actually good

[keen meteor]

So you functionally get 4-5 seconds of leeway before they shoot you

[cerulean smelt]

i never toyed with them in PTS but i was pretty excited about the oxpecker though

watched a video today of how someone used the Microwave Coil Modifier several different ways. was kind of amusing

[warm knot]

Target cover and damage it

[fair dragon]

Huh?

[warm knot]

Nevermind.

[keen meteor]

Going back to reliably getting heals with exodus as Blinder mentioned

Might want to do actually testing but line of sight and not firing you weapon seem to have better results ensuring that out-of-combat procs faster

AFAIK the “weapon swap” thing causing reliable heals is just due to the fact that you stop firing and drawing aggro

Being in the cloud itself doesn’t seem to actually provide a line of sight break but I’d need to test that more

But AFAIK the cloud is just a VFX that serves just to look cool and blind players but have 0 effect on the AI

At the same time I’m sure other ppl know much more about AI mechanics and how flinch thresholds and anims play into that

[frosty rivet]

would like some help improving this build. was my orginal tank build before i stopped playing around stovepipe season (i used liberty instead of misquito and i swap from deflector and bulwark depending on what iam doing)

[keen meteor]

What are you trying to set up/what difficulty do you want to use this at?

[frosty rivet]

i use for every diffculty, been doing legendary with a friend recently and while it holds up well enough i know it could do better

iam aware some cores arent maxed and my level is pretty low

[keen meteor]

This will not perform well in legendary

This lacks the DPS to reliably kill a legendary elite enemy in a reasonable time

[frosty rivet]

killing is my friends job, iam just there to soak bullets

[keen meteor]

And it does not provide enough armor to survive damage beyond a few seconds with the shield, and does nothing to repair it once it does take damage aside from chip damage repairs from FB

Alright, you would be much better off with bulwark

First step

The deflector shield allows you to get shot in the head by the AI

[frosty rivet]

i mean yeah, i use the bulwark for legendary already

[keen meteor]

Okay, do you have the liberty pistol?

[frosty rivet]

i do but swapped from it to misqutio

[keen meteor]

Me personally I would try and use a chest talent like vanguard to provide bonus armor or some sort of buff for your ally/friend

Even with mosquito you are at most drawing aggro from a single enemy, it’s not really possible to do a standard RPG tank that can draw aggro from groups

If they’re shooting your friend you aren’t going to be able to pull enough enemies off them to keep them alive if that makes sense. Diminishing returns when you could be healing them

[frosty rivet]

would removing the foundry chest for something like vanguard make it harder to sustain myself?

since i like that talent to begin with but didnt know if the foundry chest was carrying the build

[keen meteor]

If you want me to be honest sure it drops your survivability, but you’re getting a lot of regen for yourself without it anyways

Rn you aren’t really helping your friend aside from maybe drawing aggro from a few enemies. A decoy skill draws more aggro than what you are doing

Sure, you stay alive at the moment, but you aren’t A) boosting your friends damage B) Healing your friend or providing bonus armor or C) able to draw aggro from the majority of enemies

[frosty rivet]

so i just exist

[keen meteor]

Yes, which is why you should try and lean into talents that benefit your friend in some way. Conceptually tank builds are a very niche role that usually exist for specific bosses in stuff like raids

If you like playing support a Future Initiative build is very useful but if you really want to stick with FB you should put Pointman named chest on

[frosty rivet]

i can do pointman

i dont have FI stuff

[keen meteor]

This spreadsheet if you haven’t seen it before has a tab with a list of general builds that you can work off of

[frosty rivet]

thank you

[keen meteor]

Ofc! Happy to help

[keen meteor]

https://youtu.be/jcNJNujP878?si=H-XWv_ivTWZAC28a

this is the listed FB build, it has both vanguard and oppurtunistic which provides bonus armor and amplified damage for the team respectively

[frosty rivet]

Would the build work for lower difficulties or only raids and legendary?

[keen meteor]

Oh yeah it defo works on lower difficulties

[frosty rivet]

Alrighty

[keen meteor]

For the most part even severely unoptimized/ineffective builds will hold up in heroic solo/duo, but if you want to use your build in higher content you do need a bit more focus

If you ever want a semi-decent benchmark for how much HP a 4 player-scaled Elite enemy, it’s within a 1-2 million range of a single player Named Boss enemy

Whenever ur setting up damage, use the named firing range target as a benchmark and treat them like standard enemies.

[hazy steeple]

I miss I am Fox.

[warm knot]

Forge holster with armor core and repair skills.

[warm knot]

I can actually tank and kill 3 chungas in legendary (from DUA) with a similar build... But everything about this build is slow. Also, yes it is unreliable.

[frosty rivet]

Iam fairly good at being a wall, but that's about it

[keen meteor]

If you try hard enough you can brute force Legendary with skills only, but it’s just a matter of “there’s better options than this” lmao

[warm knot]

I would not run that build in a group... No offense, but that will just slow down everyone.

[frosty rivet]

Yeah I know it's not good on groups

[keen meteor]

They implied they were doing duos with a friend so scaling isn’t too terrible

[frosty rivet]

I matchmake with stuff like summit aswell

[keen meteor]

A standard red build will still hold up duos legendary

[warm knot]

Well, yes. As I'm saying, its just fun to run, not something I would recommend for group play.

[keen meteor]

At the same time I do want to give them options to keep using what they find fun cause just going “yeah nah use something else” is a boring answer if you ask me

Ur 100% right about it not being that effective tho

[hazy steeple]

Generally speaking, you want damage more than pure "tank" in this game, although there are options for high tank and decent damage.
Even something like a Hunters Fury setup can self-sustain a tank, and still be able to murder effectively.

You can never really-really "tank" outright in div2, even if you do bring a full "i am the wall" build, you are still able to be murdered fairly quickly if you stand out in the open on higher difficulties.

[keen meteor]

That’s what I had explained to Gemini earlier

You cant draw aggro effectively and without talents to do so there are no buffs provided for the team

It’s why I offered Pointman because vanguard would at least provide bonus armor

[warm knot]

Now that you brought that up... I don't even know how to classify the HF build lol. Hybrid/Tank dps/ Tank/ Dps . I dunno, HF it's so unique.

[keen meteor]

I usually use HF pure red lol

[hazy steeple]

"pain tank", is the best description I've heard of a HF setup.

Especially if you factor in Memento.

[warm knot]

Yeah, I'm talking about the memento one.

[hazy steeple]

Shields scale off both yellow and blue cores, so it's worth taking on a lot of active builds.

[keen meteor]

Memento defo functions the best but I’ve been having fun with vigil BP and scabbard holster for that sweet 45 + 20 amp

Plus the ROF and damage buff from scabbard

Both versatile and HF amp have the same range for SMG and shotguns

So there’s a good enough overlap for the damage to work out

No buildup or stacks required

[frosty rivet]

If I was to remove the foundry chest I'd lose the set bonus

[keen meteor]

Replace a non chest/backpack with FB

HE (High End) talents will provide team support whereas FB talents for chest and bp only support you

[hazy steeple]

Just be careful about swapping stuff around too freely, you can easily make your build worse by adding/removing the wrong gearset piece.

[warm knot]

That sounds... weird 🤨

I like it.

[keen meteor]

Tbf the FB talents aren’t really make or break

[hazy steeple]

HF requires you to be within 15m for the gearset to work, it's a knife-edge build if you play it wrong.

[frosty rivet]

I would prefer to keep the set bonus for foundry while also being able to buff my team

So I can play tank how I normally would

[hazy steeple]

That is certainly part of the issue.

The builds in the spreadsheet are how they are for a reason, it's always worth reading through them fully.

[keen meteor]

You would take off either catharsis or the wyvern holster and replace it with the FB equivalent

[keen meteor]

I provided the listed FB build for them earlier as well

[frosty rivet]

I've been looking at it

[hazy steeple]

As that is 3 years old at this point, it could probably do with some kind of update.

e.g. the iKia builds listed are the old ones, his current setups are linked in the description of his videos.

[frosty rivet]

I tried checking the new gearsets released after stovepipe they either suck or were nerfed and then sucked afterwards from posts I've read

[keen meteor]

Doesn’t have to be exactly this but this is how you would slot in your HE piece

[warm knot]

I wish they add a way to use an smg with the bulwark shield... Could be an exotic one or from a set, just like d3 from div 1. I would run that 24/7.

[frosty rivet]

I was thinking about swapping catharsis for Sawyers but was unsure if that would work

[shy willow]

If you ain't killing you ain't living

[keen meteor]

Afaik none of the exotics will benefit the build the way you want to use it

[hazy steeple]

There was someone new updating the spreadsheet, but work seems to have slowed down in that area.

[shy willow]

Tardi and cath are the premier tank exotics

[keen meteor]

Aaaah true

[subtle bluff]

New seasons always take times.

[shy willow]

But tanks are niche enough as is so

[keen meteor]

Tardi would defo work for FB

[subtle bluff]

I'm kind of the only one working on the mx builder..

[keen meteor]

Gemini has heard this 3 seperate times now lmfao

[hazy steeple]

It doesn't get any less relevant over time.

[shy willow]

[frosty rivet]

I don't mind tardi but pointman is a little more active, and at least had a shorter cool down

[keen meteor]

Trueeeeg

[hazy steeple]

"div2 likes killing, more than blocking"

[keen meteor]

That’s why I prefer it imo

[shy willow]

On iron horse normally the team comp had both tardi and vanguard

Between either it's a toss up

[warm knot]

HF is a 10s build":

Killer
Memento bonus armor
HF stacks

[keen meteor]

Tardigrade ToTs build?!!?!?!

[shy willow]

Funnily enough I actually tried this

Unfortunately it sucked because tardi means you can't take headhunter

[keen meteor]

Finding 4pc ToTs with status effects rolled so I could recal to blue was painful

Lemme pull it out lol

Okay just imagine this but replace vile with golan and chest with tardi

[shy willow]

🤨

[keen meteor]

I should make a 40 minute long video about this build

And talk about how it can clear legendary

By only showing it clearing first zone to DUA Legendary

[hazy steeple]

Make sure you add the words "god mode", "brutal kill", and "easy legendary" to the thumbnail.

bonus points if it has an irrelevant sponsor.

[keen meteor]

I won’t lie this stupid ToTs flamethrower build defo feels fun even if it is just worse fire CC lmao

You get to roleplay a Cleaner chevron enemy unit

[onyx sage]

what am i reading

[hollow pasture]

Gotta try and make some wacky out there builds from time to time

[hybrid hatch]

What skills yall been using with refactor? I haven’t been able to find any that aren’t just massively better on other gearsets

[hollow pasture]

You can try a mortar with it and turret

If you don't wanna run the same old turret /drone

Wtf why did I just say turret

I haven't had coffee

Mortar and drone works well

[hybrid hatch]

I mostly find it weird that one of its major attributes is status effects. My brain keeps trying to include that but maybe I should ignore it

[hollow pasture]

You can try and make it status based

Some have made it like that

Idk how effective it is

[hybrid hatch]

Idk why I wouldn’t just use eclipse for that instead though

[hollow pasture]

Yea you don't have the ep transfer

So it's automatically much less usable

[hybrid hatch]

I might give mortar turret a try since that causes bleed as well. I just have a weird hangup using demolitionist for some reason

I went through all my builds on both characters and the only ones using demo were ones I only use for the Hollywood ge lol

[hexed steppe]

Mortar Supremacy

If good at spawn trapping oxi could be pretty good. oxi/drone, oxi push out of cover, drone to mop up.
If you use overdrive active modifier you can pretty much oc on demand as well

Then again, overdrive can make any build a skill build

[hollow pasture]

Since oc is so easy to get this season, I wanna try and run the defender drone more

[shy willow]

I just clocked oc drone gives 100 percent DR doesn't it or something crazy

[worn mango]

Finally seeing a Good Times LMG in shop. Always a surprise seeing guns I have no proficiency in lol

But sadly no double crit Matador

[tepid trout]

Just grind the blueprint

[worn mango]

Didn't even know it had a blueprint

[fresh fox]

descent reconstructed caches have a chance to give the blueprint

[worn mango]

Yeeaaahhhh we're not grinding Descent lol

[fresh fox]

well keep waiting for double crit lol

[patent fossil]

80% iirc, but with mods and expertise you can maybe make it 100%. All the cannon, none of the glass.

[worn mango]

I'm definitely no rush, it's more for inventory fodder since I don't play PVP. Just to say I have it

But I guess I probably should do descent for those caches until the Vindicator rolls DTTOOC

[hollow pasture]

Yes I'm pretty sure, it is why I'm pretty interested in running it this season at least

You can probably do some nice stuff with it

Just activate overdrive and use critical momentum and you'll sustain that oc defender drone

[patent fossil]

Got to test the OC invulnerable shield against a couple of rogues mid mission the other day, just face tanked them with pgc, they did not last long. Defender drone sounds even more OP if you don't have to watch your angles, use artificer to keep it going

[hollow pasture]

Yea
I'm gonna try it out later

[light bobcat]

armor worth to keep?

[versed summit]

you could until you get a CHC CHD one

[urban latch]

its a start if you dont have anything better

[light bobcat]

hm this what i got

i want to go for dmg build

[urban latch]

High end chests and backpacks are always the hardest to get correct rolls for. With striker one of the advantages is the backpack is worth running, which makes it very easy to farm for, so Id reccomend running that. For the chest, striker chest is pretty situational, and most of the time you'd want another chest. Spending some time looking for a ceska crit chance/damage chest with obliterate. Might take a little bit of time to farm for, but it will be useful in many builds, not juist striker

also with you being so new, make sure you understand the tinker station/library. Making progress with that is pretty important. Feel free to ask any questions youve got on that

[near mason]

What kind of skill build is better?

3 piece Empress, 1 piece Hana U named, 1 piece Wyvern and Waveform Holster

Or the new Gear set

[light bobcat]

ok ty

@urban latch perfet gloves? it cannot getbetter then this right?

[urban latch]

You have a max roll of weapon damage on them. This is a good item to add to your library

[light bobcat]

cool

[keen meteor]

So does anyone know the actual reason why sometimes you heal to full and other times out of combat procs late with exodus?

Maybe this would be better suited for #ask-td2-community

[onyx sage]

so out of combat will proc at the same time every time in all the testing i've done, it's just how long it lasts that's variable

and this is dependent on how sensitive the AI is, like in legendary they will reaggro immediately after 3s (the duration of exodus talent), but other less sensitive AI will detect you slower and therefore give you more effective out-of-combat duration

now that i think about it, the duration is closer to 2s than 3s

[keen meteor]

Got it, thank you

[stable marten]

any good PvE build with the Big Horn?

[solar sable]

it's more of a PvP weapon afaik

[stable marten]

copy. ill look into that ty

[mossy lake]

is 59mil damage taken good?

[solar sable]

don't look at those stats
no one looks

they've been bugged for a while

[patent fossil]

throw it on striker or nego and it'll do just fine if you get good at beaming heads. That extra 150% HSD is not to be sniffed at even in PVE

[peak sphinx]

Legendary rooseveld boss drone with the damn self healing... never have i shot a boss this long and never seen over -2.000.000.000 dmg on stats for named enemies lol. So for who ever planning to do it... bring enoug dmg otherwise you never outdps the healing

[stable marten]

sounds good ill try that out for sure. Been grinding for it so im sure as heck gonna use it lol

[stable marten]

haha ya team i was with wiped once cause of the damn drone then switched to more dps and we were good

[peak sphinx]

Yea i ran dps whole mission so i was good but rest used skills so the had to manually swap in the boat lol

[patent fossil]

can also just turn off modifiers (you probably have to wipe first though to get out of combat)

[peak sphinx]

Whats the fun in that lol

In a way its a nice dmg check.... you cant kill it you need to get better gear/build

[hollow pasture]

The frenzied stuff on marauder drones is kinda just stupid tbh

It's much fairer if it's just a regular old boss

[cerulean smelt]

Imagine bichon frenzied

[hollow pasture]

I'm sure the master difficulty boss will be frenzied when it comes out

[cerulean smelt]

Will be 4 frenzied marauders, 2 with emp attached and 2 red emp

[hollow pasture]

Bro the casuals would riot with that

[hoary sail]

can't because it's the premious modificators in there

[cerulean smelt]

2 on screen, then they tag each other out

[hollow pasture]

No I mean in the one that will come out this season

[hoary sail]

ah yeah it will be funny if u have not enough dps 🤣

[cerulean smelt]

Previous modifiers are indeed there, but you can have this seasons modifiers in there too

[hoary sail]

they are disable if u go there on master nd replace by the old ones

[cerulean smelt]

They don't show in inventory, but you can still hit the active modifiers in there

[peak sphinx]

Ultimate sponge boss is kinda fun in a way

[hoary sail]

oh nice i will check it later

[hoary sail]

u can test ur dps 🤣

[peak sphinx]

Yea, gotta run the whole legendary mission to do it but yea

And if you dont have enough its back to the whitehouse and start over

[hoary sail]

i will do that with my mate who don't want to change their trash builds for goods one

[peak sphinx]

Lol just to make em rage quit after 30min no progress

[cerulean smelt]

Run with them with cooler as main weapon and just be their cheerleader

[hoary sail]

yeah wait nd watch them trying do to the job 🤣

[patent fossil]

just tested this in the opening area of legendary DUA - exp 20 drone does make you immune to bullets when OC. Does NOT make you immune to explosions though, I got promptly taken out by a grenade 😂

[peak sphinx]

And its possible to extend the duration of the drone almost infinite with the hive and enough skill tiers 😅 so might be fun to try

[patent fossil]

yeah I was running it with artificer hive for added duration, but in practice that didn't get to add anything

think I'll just stick with the OC shield and pay a bit more attention to positioning and incoming explosives

[onyx sage]

explosions also make shield go byebye

[patent fossil]

OC shield though

[onyx sage]

still does

[patent fossil]

huh

well, all the more reason to keep paying attention, I suppose

[onyx sage]

but only if you let it direct hit tho

if you face sideways enough it won't hit it entirely, part of the explosion hits you, and it doesn't die

[patent fossil]

if they don't direct hit they drop me to healthgate anyway, hazard of facetanking with PGC and relying entirely on OC shield

[keen meteor]

Maybe I’m beating a dead bush but even in legendary exodus works fine for bringing you to full armor consistently

There has to be something in play beyond blind luck as everyone is saying

[onyx sage]

it's just line of sight

i know 99% of the time you can get full armor by just swapping guns at the right time

no matter how fast you get detected again

[patent fossil]

Advantages of OC shield-powered facetanking (I know it's slow but we wiped in the senate chamber first time around)

[keen meteor]

Aaaaah I keep saying this but others keep saying it doesn’t matter or it does, I’m just going to keep testing it on my own lmfao

[patent fossil]

also noone else joined me in spawncamping while we were capturing the radar trailers so I got to steal most of the kills

[keen meteor]

I like the little platform it gives you looking into the spawn doors

[onyx sage]

kettle you watched my capitol solo with exodus?

most fun run i've gone on

[patent fossil]

I have not

[onyx sage]

yeah just did it with exodus and iron lung

[keen meteor]

I feel like every legendary run I’ve done since the season started public is just half striker-exodus and one healer

[onyx sage]

it's so fun

[keen meteor]

Over under they nerf exodus lmfao

[patent fossil]

I'll have to check it out, haven't unlocked exodus yet I think

[onyx sage]

then it's a shame that i'll just go back to perfect vig + pgc lol

[versed summit]

Everyone is to focused on refactor

[keen meteor]

True

[onyx sage]

and correcting refractor

[bold leaf]

I keep hearing it called refractor now too 🫠

[onyx sage]

we gotta cull the sheep

[strong cave]

Exodus gloves paired with sys Corr is absolutely crazy in pvp. The gloves need a longer duration for its talent tho

Same with sys Corr itself 😂😂

Anybody got any builds where oxpecker is viable? I tried the SMG out with HF and Strikers and wasn't impressed

(mix of blue + red + memento)

[keen meteor]

That’s a hard sell imo cause with HF the less red the less effective it’s going to be overall

[bold leaf]

All red striker, firewall shield is the best I've managed

[strong cave]

That's the fun of memento 🔥

[keen meteor]

I mean it’s based off the mp7 model yeah? Not a great starting point in terms of burst or sustain

[bold leaf]

The firewall shield mod that gives you 8% active regen means the shield drops in 12 secs instead of 10, plus the increased damage from striker means you can keep the talent repairing the shield for longer

[strong cave]

Why am I not surprised it goes good on the most cheesiest of builds lol

[bold leaf]

Yup

[keen meteor]

Striker is the gold standard for easy to build dps lol

[strong cave]

Sadly not wrong with this. Only viable talent on MP7 right now is Killer

[keen meteor]

That’s what I’m saying lol. It’s just not a good model for good damage and the talent itself is something you’d have to build around

Even then the benefits are iffy

[strong cave]

Yeah I've gotten awfully tired of yanking an AA12 shotgun out for stacks and then swapping

[bold leaf]

I've been having fun with umbra and dark winter this week, but the lack of damage compared to striker is absolutely noticable

[keen meteor]

Just keep using the AA12 as a primary 😱

[strong cave]

Umbra hazpro with backfire

[keen meteor]

Fast hands AA12 my absolute love

[strong cave]

You'll be in the ballpark of striker numbers

[patent fossil]

I love how compulsively you reload 😅

[strong cave]

Not the 800k+ but around 700k

[onyx sage]

i just love the buffed reload

[bold leaf]

Ah ok I usually delete Backfire whenever it drops xD

[patent fossil]

it is crazy fast, I've never really been an lmg fan but they do look pretty damn strong these days

[keen meteor]

It would be nice if they gave backfire the capacitor treatment

[patent fossil]

I've been testrunning bighorn and it hits like a truck but the smaller mag is annoying

[keen meteor]

Considering how many stacks it can cap out at

[strong cave]

Backfire is definitely worth it on haz builds now that haz is easiest to build around. Backfire, believe it or not, has near AR optimal range. Slap it on umbra and it turns into basically Ouroboros 👀

Umbra you'll get CHD from stacks and so will the gun

[bold leaf]

Hmm interesting, thanks I'll check it out next time one drops

[strong cave]

Just roll everything hazpro and CHC

Do be aware it's a Ninjabike Asspack build

[patent fossil]

surely you'd be best putting on a LOW CHD (but high CHC obviously) build, you get more diminishing returns when you stack crit super super high

[bold leaf]

Noooooo

[strong cave]

^^ this too

[keen meteor]

For cavalier I assume yeah?

[bold leaf]

I delete that stupid bag too lol

[strong cave]

The numbers are there, but striker still king. Always will be

[keen meteor]

Or ceska?

[patent fossil]

also I hear you don't really need hazpro for backfire any more, only bleeds you for the first couple of reloads or something

[strong cave]

Ceska + Yaahl

[keen meteor]

I see I see

[strong cave]

Yaahl will give hazpro + weapon damage and you'll get 2 free attributes. Beats cavalier

[bold leaf]

That's true but the bleed effect on screen is awful

[strong cave]

Even rolls with armor core too

[versed summit]

Unnecessary for backfire

[strong cave]

If I remember right, 70 hazpro and 3 bleed resis mods

[strong cave]

Ninjabike unnecessary in general 😂😂

Let's be real with ourselves

[bold leaf]

Yes 100%

[strong cave]

I don't fully recommend this build to anybody, but hey if you wanna give the gun a proper try, I recommend going either that route or all hazpro strikers

[keen meteor]

Nonono guys ninjabike is so good !!! Put ninjabike in ur striker-HF build for DOUBLE the gearset !!!

[strong cave]

At this point builds have been exhausted. It's why people swear by 5 PC Gearsets now instead of 4

[keen meteor]

6pc striker 🔥🔥🔥 insane dps

[strong cave]

Still better than 6 piece 5.11

[keen meteor]

Lmao

[strong cave]

5.11 build coming eventually. Been neglecting making it

Shits cursed

[keen meteor]

3pc ceska 3pc 5.11

[patent fossil]

one of the players in the post-match stats I posted above was running that

[keen meteor]

Striker is so good that it can still perform well when watered down

[shy willow]

Go gamer's legacy lives on

[strong cave]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKhAsA2EAGFbUfegXBCS9xRMSsTdwQDLIAOMh05bYATkuqcce3fxm5cm2aNE6CJzMAnYBWGMHltobODFbyhLemuBJ6YVJCQB2JMODSQ82SetoEarSexxQJtbWgn2wyGoR5E1AZRiA

Almost actually 💀💀

[bold leaf]

The build I can't get my head around is the one the Sharpshooter agent is using in the Brooklyn artwork - 3pc Gila, what look like ND knees, drone, booster hive, MPX (both Safety Distance and The Apartment look closest) and a Snubnosed Diceros

[onyx sage]

new meta

don't doubt

[strong cave]

I present: wtf build

Bc when my enemies on dz get killed with this, and they inspect me, they will surely scream "WTF"

i plan on kissing the ground dw

[keen meteor]

Now THIS is a fire build 🔥🔥🔥

Actually now that I’m looking at it this isn’t really meme terrible

[strong cave]

I mean, you're at least using a 4 PC gearset. Backpack isn't terrible but on hunters fury the setup isn't optimal. Sokolov chest piece + Ceska backpack would be most optimal

Centurions is one of those "it's a good holster but the mechanic is annoying"

[keen meteor]

I usually use grupo and ceska

Vigilance for BP and obliterate as per usual

Maybe wicked if group play

[shy willow]

Gunslinger w/ vigil can be fun

But extremely annoying to keep up

[strong cave]

I run soko+ Ceska bc SMG's typically have high CHC. I like my shotguns to have them too . Plus sokolov boosts my SMG even more and those definitely need a damage boost

[keen meteor]

Honestly scab and vigil aren’t really terrible to manage. I’m used to spamming leadership in Descent so it defo could be worse lol

[strong cave]

I typically main unstoppable force. Hunters fury you're constantly gonna get shot to keep Vigi from being disabled

[keen meteor]

Fair

[strong cave]

I run unstoppable force PvE, pvp vigilance

[keen meteor]

Usually shield positioning and disorient are enough get damage going as kill stacks will provide amp

[strong cave]

Until a random ass ad in the background from some random ass Scooby Doo door shoots you and you done lost 25% weapon damage

"bro where'd my damage go"?

Came out the opposite door 😂

[keen meteor]

Always make sure the red half circle is in front of you lol

Or quarter circle if you want to be semantic

[strong cave]

Always got my radar at the top of my screen where visible 👀 just spawns in this game can be wonky lol

Anybody else noticing ad traffic has been very very high lately? Can barely roam the streets of DC

[hexed steppe]

@tawdry flare has been summoned

[strong cave]

Oh no 😂😂

[hexed steppe]

[strong cave]

It's cursed as hell I know. That's the point. I didn't realize it would catch this much attention 😂😂

I seriously need to make this build and try it in pvp. Will I kiss the floor or clear the server? World will soon find out

[keen meteor]

Tamper proof striker build my love

[austere jetty]

Any ideas for something high DPS that's different than the StElmo/Striker combo ? Rather looking at YT thought I'd get it from the real players

[shy willow]

Try Negotiator's dilemma

[keen meteor]

Heartbreaker works similarly as it’s focused on building stacks as well

[glacial pike]

is Providence a good option for countdown?

[urban latch]

Yeah

[lost pilot]

St elmo’s with Coyote Mask and 4 striker set gear litteraly melt people on pvp

[glacial pike]

only problem is my protection is non existant now

[hexed steppe]

gain survivability through superior damage output. dead npcs dont shoot back 😉

[hexed steppe]

nego has a nice mechanic that takes some thought but really ratchets up the damage if used properly

although hb + microwave coils are 😍

[glacial pike]

I can still hardly tickle them

[hexed steppe]

check out the pinned sheet. can also post a screen shot. you may get a hard check on the build, but its worth to get you into solid performance

[glacial pike]

19.4% crit chance
83.8% crit damage
159% headshot damage

[hexed steppe]

its kinda all about synergy with the different builds

that doesnt say a whole lot without the build tbf. but if focusing dps, especially highend you want a minimum 50% chance, 150% crit damage... only focus headshot with hotshot sniper setup or headshot dps like bighorn/eagleburger

hsd doesnt hurt but dont spec into it i mean, unless it something specific

this is an example of a pretty safe highend dps, that wrecks. you can swap in sacrifice providence chest and put grupo somewhere else if you really want to dip into high risk/high reward
#td2-build-advice message

[hazy hull]

10℅ damage to targets out of cover

[glacial pike]

does that mean when you're out of cover or the enemy is

another countdown failed because hunters can one shot everyone but require nuclear weaponry to defeat in return

[hazy hull]

The enemy is

[bold leaf]

How? I've never failed a countdown because of the hunters. Is everyone shooting at them? Any riot foam, blinding nades, anything??

[hexed steppe]

need an agent like me on your team... what hunters 😎

[glacial pike]

What tier is the blue gear?

Also is that a skill build?

Against hunters?

[solar sable]

wdym tier?
"blue gear" are Gear Sets btw

[shy willow]

Its disrupt immune and foam/stickies can't be hacked

[gloomy spruce]

My guess would be CC

The blue secondary attributes are likely hazard protection

Localdeck with that build can't be disrupted and he can keep the hunters crowd controlled

Eclipse Protocol already offers 30% hazpro. Combine that with the Yaahl mask alone drags that number up to 50 with. Every other roll being hazpro grants a full 90 hazpro. Throw on a last anti distrupt mod or roll and you have 100% disrupt resist.

The other mod slots can be PFE and with the survivalist specialization, he's also immune to over 30% of the hunter's damage.

The backpack being a setup adds extra damage for the group against the hunters and he's got a stage left to use fire grenades to trigger sledgehammer for the rest of his team.

[onyx sage]

so pro

[gloomy spruce]

Is that about the gist of it @hexed steppe ?

[glacial pike]

They're green for me

[gloomy spruce]

Refractor to you too, sir

[solar sable]

Colorblind filter

[onyx sage]

sir, you are banned from the Mickey Mouse club

[glacial pike]

[gloomy spruce]

Yes, it was for inappropriate behavior. I regret everything.

[hexed steppe]

im so late to the party sometimes

[gloomy spruce]

It was your build, I did not want to misinterpret it

[hexed steppe]

between ep, watch, and 6 hazpro rolls anyone can be immune

only need the mod if low watch still

[gloomy spruce]

So you are running that with 46-49% PFE?

[hexed steppe]

there is a breakdown of it on the sheet

im not sure tbh, i think im all haste on the cc setup

[gloomy spruce]

Ah, it has its own spreadsheet. Oof, I had no idea

[hexed steppe]

cause i traded the disrupt resist to haz pro and transfered the haste to mods

no status rolls, the guide has an eletrique piece, but i would just run hanna u for the haste

shepherd event really killing mm for projects

[gloomy spruce]

So it is this spreadsheet build that you made?

https://lite.evernote.com/note/79bb4eea-c870-7860-a2c4-b764f2427a20

I was just reading your build pic from intuition

[versed summit]

Could do improvised too

[hexed steppe]

yeah thats the one

[onyx sage]

nvm, it seems to be exactly 3s

[brisk hollow]

Planning to reroll my character's loadout, aiming for striker with either cham or st elmo's (dropped both for me last time I played) was wondering how much CHR I should aim at before putting in CHD (I'm a new player so other tips, suggestions are also welcome)

[subtle bluff]

CHR? CHC Crit Hit Chance I'm guessing. Max CHC is 60%. Getting to 60% without going over is the best but sitting around 54% is fine.

[brisk hollow]

Yeah my bad CHC not Rate.. happens when you play a lot of games 😬 But thanks, will aim to 54% after that CHD is next priority, is there also a minimum for that to aim or just as much as possible? Or is isn't that how you build from a striker set.

[subtle bluff]

Any weapon Damage base build it's that CHC.

[brisk hollow]

I got coyotes mask which I plan to use, unless there are other nice alternatives I'm not aware of.

[glacial pike]

They take the slightest damage, heal up, and gun everyone down

And it seems like no amount of armour is enough to defend yourself against them and no amount of damage can be dealt that can defeat them

[junior surge]

With riot foam or scorpio and 1-2 dps builds you should be able to shred them pretty fast

[urban latch]

armor is not helpful. Just dps them down quickly and use some CC like riot foam and scorpio

[hoary sail]

no need armor dps only on hunters nd some scorpio, foam stuff too more easier

[bold leaf]

That's crazy. They're really not that difficult unless you're trying to face tank them with a terrible build or something

[bright raptor]

you toss grenades to flush them out of cover and interrupt the heal

[rapid sinew]

What’s a good dps/tank Elmo build

[glacial pike]

It takes them half a second to heal

[junior surge]

They have a windup animation and you can often cancel with foam if you're not jammed

Are you on challenging or heroic?

[tawdry flare]

@hexed steppe @magic pilot @onyx sage my new build

[onyx sage]

thanks, i hate it

[tawdry flare]

your welcome refactor it as well

[magic pilot]

Oh my

[bold leaf]

a sleigher and a sacrum to top it off too, well done xD

[magic pilot]

Lack of expertise on this gear

[gloomy spruce]

Here is mine

I await my scorning and ban from this august server.

[onyx sage]

sir...

[versed summit]

that's a sick refractor build

[gloomy spruce]

Yes, it is my favorite Refractor build that I have made so far

[onyx sage]

i'm leaving

[versed summit]

You spelled Refractor wrong btw

pretty funny since you put it in your name 3 times too xd

[onyx sage]

weirdge

[versed summit]

🗣️

[gloomy spruce]

At least I did not post my NBB yellow striker build here

I wonder if they spell it Refractour in Europe. In Europe, they have to add a U on the end of a number of words.

[pastel crane]

Is that picaro holster?

[vestal ibex]

It should be, wouldn't make sense if it was a normal braz item.

[formal kraken]

Are the Bloody Knuckles any good? What should I build them with?

[vestal ibex]

Boss burn builds. Best for incrusion setups and shown in the spreadsheet strikers build guide.

[ashen atlas]

If you had an option to change either the talent or attribute of a pistol (The Harvest) which one would you pick?

[hoary sail]

tf is that?

[hoary sail]

tank nd dps? U can't do both

[rain fox]

I can

Use heartbreak with catharsis mask it's free damage and I'm unkillable on heroic countdown

[hoary sail]

yeah ok but better to start dps for begginners i think. Cuse they don't really know builds system nd stuff

[rain fox]

I agree I used striker for months still my favourite gear set

When I first started

Anybody know a good striker setup with more survivability and without losing to much dps?

[onyx sage]

depends on whichever one is wrong

[worn thicket]

Backfire

[rain fox]

Nice I got that a few hours ago is there a yt vid with a build guide or something

[worn thicket]

3pc striker (no chest), 1pc cavalier, 1pc ninja (haz pro)

Or 4pc striker (no chest), 2pc ceska with vigilance/unstipable force, hazpro all round (90% haz but more dmg)

[ashen atlas]

It got 12.8 Pistol Damage / 8.0 Health Damage / Talent: Strained

[onyx sage]

both are wrong so you'd rather farm another one

[rain fox]

OK thanks I'll play around with some pieces see what it's like

[ashen atlas]

Yeah both of them suck lol

thx will do

[hoary sail]

U need Dmg to out of cover on the 2nd. Nd then u can put any talent u want to test

[rain fox]

I use my harvest for my 1 shot build it has headshot damage and determined I farmed that from the loot goblin by dz south

If you need to farm it join my group I can show you how because I'm going to farm him real fast

[ashen atlas]

Can't you get it in countdown?

[onyx sage]

nope

[ashen atlas]

I got another one I didn't notice it was in my stash it got 12.6 Pistol Damage / Reload Speed and Talent Fast hands

[ashen atlas]

so do you only get it in DZ?

[onyx sage]

no, from loot goblin as said above

[ashen atlas]

I don't remember how I got another one

[ashen atlas]

Oh yes I was reading fast lol

[ashen atlas]

okay cool message me?

[rain fox]

Message me my gt is same as here I'll show you fast so I can work on my striker build

[ashen atlas]

sounds good

[rain fox]

Are you on Xbox @ashen atlas

If not go look at the loot goblin farm on yt he's the only person I've gotten it from

[ashen atlas]

Ok thanks and I'm on PC

[rain fox]

Ye no problem good luck finding it may have to farm it a while

[blazing creek]

Hello there I need help how to get St.Elmo's Engine?

[solar sable]

challenging Countdown with AR TL

[blazing creek]

Ok any other advice or way or only Countdown?

[solar sable]

Summit

[cerulean smelt]

otherwise you fancy waiting 24ish hours each time until you find a mission that has AR TL that you don't mind living in

[jaunty citrus]

So I'm working on the journey, and am in desperate need of a skill haste and skill damage build, can anyone help?

[versed summit]

3 pc empress 2 pc Hana u and wyvern or waveform.

[jaunty citrus]

Ty

[jaunty citrus]

Do I want to run skilled or spotter on the chest, amd I'm guessing tech support for the backpack?

[versed summit]

Probably kinetic momentum or glass for chest, and combined arms or tech support on backpack, but it does depend what skills you’re using

[jaunty citrus]

Striker drone, amd cluster seeker mines

[versed summit]

Then probably glass and combined arms

[jaunty citrus]

Ok, ty

[cerulean smelt]

Spotter is more on if you're running pulse for damage or you're running Heartbreaker and want that extra oomph in your pulse damage

[jaunty citrus]

Normally if 8 do that then I just r7n the linked laser pointer

[cerulean smelt]

not sure if the drone/turret that pulse affects spotter. one would think it would but never know with the game XD

[versed summit]

No reason why it wouldn’t, I think the issue is that the pulse doesn’t last long enough

[cerulean smelt]

think my mindset was for Heartbreaker it was weapon damage increase to pulsed targets, but reading the sheet it definitely says weapon and skill damage for spotter

[silver dagger]

hey silly question to most of you but can you upgrade mods or is it luck on finding maxed out 1s?

[tulip charm]

100% pure luck

[silver dagger]

i thought tht cheers

[vivid timber]

can gear set peices be expertised level uped or not?

striker for example

[silver dagger]

yes they can scroll right down to bottom and you will see them

[solar berry]

Any weapon/brand/gear/named can be expertised

Even skills

[cerulean smelt]

yes they can be upgraded, but it only upgrades the base armor value

[vivid timber]

i tried via exp section on bench but it didnt show up?

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, it's the base armor value on the pieces

IE: base armor value 10,000. 1% increases it to 11,000

[vivid timber]

no i get that im saying my striker peices arent showing up to even do anything to them?

[cerulean smelt]

you level 10 proficient in them? got the star icon on them?

[vivid timber]

not lv 10 no

wait i am ye

[gloomy spruce]

Why yes it is. It is rolled skill damage. The Mods are all PFE mods. It is a cursed build, but it strangely works solo, at least for me. Not meta and not recommended for normal players.

All the secondary attributes are rolled skill damage.

[pastel crane]

Understood. Cuz I have a Refactor build that's basically 4pc with Force Multiplier and a Wyvern mask rolled with Skill dmg/haste xD

[cerulean smelt]

i'm at the tinkering station in DC see that 158k you're increasing that when you upgrade them. nothing else. if this is just for PvE i'd say don't bother as the armor percentage just isn't enough in my eyes to even waste materials upgrading the base armor of your gears

[vivid timber]

yh i see that but when im in dc they are not showing up in my exp section ? so idk if im going in the wrong place or what

[cerulean smelt]

@vivid timber you going into here for the striker set?

[vivid timber]

yes now i did not see that option to pull up gear sets!

ill check that out

[silver dagger]

lol i did say scroll down to the bottom but glad you found it

[vivid timber]

😅

[clever merlin]

What builds are people using EP with microwave coil?

[hexed steppe]

Glass chest is best for skill builds

[hexed steppe]

Heartbreaker with banshee, linked laser is really nice with microwave coils

[clever merlin]

im already using that so I want to try another build

[cerulean smelt]

i watched a video where the streamer showed all kinds of pulsing with the coils.
think my favorite was the Sharpshooter Drone (> <)

[clever merlin]

the recon drone is better than the regular pulse since it has a long duration and covers a big area

[hexed steppe]

The only issue is microwave burn is weak anyways. Itll never get really strong ticks.. basically spacing into coils is like running imperial dynasty eclipse. It's nice as a small bonus and cc for dps type builds

[cerulean smelt]

nods i noticed that. even with EP the tick was miniscule in damage compared to me using chem launcher or sticky doing 100k damage. pulse coil like 50k

[hexed steppe]

If you only see 100k fire chem/sticky you need to reevaluate the build. Solid ep with eclipse bag/all status/capacitor for skill damage that also boosts fire, you should be seeing 500k ish on chem and 700k ish on fire sticky. Vile tics not figured into those numbers. Expertise can make a difference so ymmv, but it should not be too far from damage numbers I mentioned

[cerulean smelt]

i don't think the number i posted was accurate was just giving a comparison of the chem/fire sticky tick damage vs the Pulse Coil fire tick damage really

[hexed steppe]

Even on my no status/skill damage/no ep bag hazpro eclipse I still see like 250k ish for fire sticky ticks

It should be accurate if giving a comparison

Accuracy means you dont get g checked for bad info. Js

[frozen hull]

Trying to get these refractor hands and knees with skill damage as a drop is a nightmare … been running count down for two days and haven’t seen either of them drop yet …

[hexed steppe]

Tried crafting? Should have some mats built up if you been farming them

[frozen hull]

Can I craft refractor ? I never use the crafting station

[hexed steppe]

I think so. If it's a rare drop it may be worth optimizing a bad roll/correct attribute

Are you already using technician for the free skilltier?

[strong cave]

Are we just gonna forget nightwatcher mask exists?

[hexed steppe]

Yes

[strong cave]

Even on a 0 skill tier build, high end, I see 9s cooldown

[frozen hull]

I did this thank you ahha

[strong cave]

With ingenuity, SH mods and attribute swapping, can get that number EVEN lower

[hexed steppe]

LLP has no cooldown

[strong cave]

Makes heartbreaker even stronger 👀

I'd dare say pair that with the vector 45 with flatline and run HB + Memento

Shield and pulse skill too

[hexed steppe]

Been running dark winter hb

[strong cave]

Ayeeeee

[hexed steppe]

Memento artificer/shield

[strong cave]

Cream de le cream 😩🫰

Borderline impossible to put down

[proven merlin]

Black tusk with emp rounds beg to differ

[strong cave]

I mostly pvp so nightwatcher would totally be worth it

[strong cave]

Hive immunity exists 😂

[hexed steppe]

Prettymuch . Oc on demand with the first active modifier, brainfarting the name

[strong cave]

Reviver hive

[proven merlin]

Yeah but you either run arti hive or reviver

[strong cave]

I usually target BT soldiers that have special ammo bc pesky EMP rounds

Same with hyenas and their confusion

[proven merlin]

I hate that directive, its why i never run it

[strong cave]

I run it frequently so that's how I know easily to combat them

[proven merlin]

In PvP, while rare, you do get the occasional new player with an emp pulse in the DZ who throws people for a loop

Granted, that’s significantly more inconsistent

[strong cave]

checks Nearby tab, inspects build, throws on an instant counter to the build

Pvp in a nutshell

[proven merlin]

i dont even check tbh, the moment i see someone else i just bounce

PvP hasnt been worth it in a while imo

[strong cave]

I live in dark zone. You'd be surprised that really all the rogues want is just some pvp fun

And then they usually farm landmarks when bored

Conflict isn't worth touching. DZ where it's at

[proven merlin]

I only run DZ when its targeted for anything im looking for specifically

Most of the time its AR for EB

Occasionally if im lucky i get SC gear

[strong cave]

When you're SHD 13.9k, everything in the game, pvp is all there's left

[strong cave]

My beloved sys Corr 😩😩 I've got 3 chars with multiple builds of it

A real treat when I announce in DZ chat I had the backpack drop who want it

[proven merlin]

If i didnt suffer from sunk cost and the need to play every single game i own, I’d probably also be up there in shd lvl

[hexed steppe]

The exo drops in dz dont follow target loot afaik

[strong cave]

^^ you'd have a WAY higher chance of just joining GC Rock server

[proven merlin]

I cba to run Dork Hours

Its more fun to just try it in DZ

[strong cave]

Truth 🔥🔥

[proven merlin]

I got Bighorn out of a legendary Stronghold so that was cool

1 less thing i need to farm for

[strong cave]

One day 🙏 I stole ravy off this one dude on Christmas

He was pissed 😂

[hexed steppe]

More to let you know it's always same chance.

[proven merlin]

I’d probably quit the game

[strong cave]

I got mine out of floor 90 summit all 4 of them

[proven merlin]

Yeah but I ain’t familiar with the mechanics and most LfG’s will kick me

[strong cave]

GCRock discord

There's people there, including me, who will be happy to teach newbies

[proven merlin]

Cba to join a server just for 1 raid

Besides there isnt really anything worth running it for

[strong cave]

GC Rock is a good place for LFG's. Home of the most solid division playerbase there is

This goes for ALL content of the game

[proven merlin]

Eh, i just farm shepherd 99% of the time

[strong cave]

GCRock is also a ubi partner too. Great content creator

[hexed steppe]

Same chance any day dz, dont need to limit to only days with ar target. Forget raid