td2-build-advice

[solar berry]

Not saying it’s bad. Not my style

[limpid pelican]

feel that. definitely one of those games you had to play as a kid or you're like, "this game looks terrible"

[solar berry]

Helldivers, to repetitive for the same missions and objs. Than any other game I play

[solar berry]

Could play them as a kid. Not anymore. My interest for top down games is gone, forever

[tacit goblet]

What is a fun weapon I can use for PVP

[solar berry]

Also. They overwhelm me like warframe but way more

Diablo is ok. But still meh to me

[limpid pelican]

what's your definition of fun?

[tacit goblet]

I can kill people

But also Survive Messy Fights

[solar berry]

That’s any weapon

[tacit goblet]

Is most of the PVP Activity in DZ from SHD level 500+

[limpid pelican]

1000+

[solar berry]

What “fun weapon” for a build you tryna use it for?

[tacit goblet]

For now Im running Ad Rush/Catharsis/Unbreakable

[limpid pelican]

thats meta yea

[tacit goblet]

may try other shennenigans like one shot sticky bombs

[limpid pelican]

try intimidate shotgun with ad rush

[tacit goblet]

The one weapon im mainly using in PVP for now is Ouroboros

[solar berry]

If you can land heads in PvP/dz bighorn is excellent

[tacit goblet]

Its fun but I dont want to stay locked to CQC

[limpid pelican]

u can always run a mantis build

[tacit goblet]

What does it do

[limpid pelican]

or a high end headshot build for regulus that also 1 shots with snipers

[limpid pelican]

just a sniper build but prioritizing all mmr and headshot damage

[solar berry]

When you use a decoy. When not targeting you. Mantis sniper do more dmg

[tacit goblet]

Whats the Steps to get capacitor

[limpid pelican]

guns really up to you. if you want a good base for builds that u can change out weapons i would make

[solar berry]

Summit

[limpid pelican]

there's like 3-4 builds u need for pvp. a spotter beams build, armor regen headshot with big horn, intimidate shotty/intimidate chatterbox or lady death, and regulus glass cannon/unbreakable

[tacit goblet]

I see

[limpid pelican]

obviously fill in the blanks for like sokolov vs fenris if using ar or smg

lmgs beam as well, rpk, l86, infantry mg5

[subtle bluff]

Need is a bit much.

[limpid pelican]

umbra is super strong as well

[tacit goblet]

Pesti I heard is good in PVP

[subtle bluff]

You also missed pesti

[limpid pelican]

pesti is for people on a list

[solar berry]

Pesti TP

[tacit goblet]

Also why does it feel Firewall's Field Research is the hardest

im currently on the last stage before I get the spec

[limpid pelican]

but yeah pesti is good. if u want cheese make a hybrid build for capacitor, umbra is insane as well

[limpid pelican]

need is exactly the case due to dz being just counter on rotation

you may be with a healer, so why are u using intimidate regen still? throw on 4 blue intimidate

[tacit goblet]

So what can counter Ad rush/Unbreakable Builds

[limpid pelican]

shotguns

and regulus, or really any beams build with spotter or umbra

[subtle bluff]

PC isn't has crazy.. Maybe it'll change a lil with this patch since they added stuff to the anti cheat.

[tacit goblet]

Does Strafing work as well in PC compared to Consoles

[solar berry]

Who knows

[solar berry]

People is more insane with strafing than console on pc

[limpid pelican]

well movement is entirely different on console vs pc

[tacit goblet]

How thoe

[solar berry]

Some people still use controllers. But MnK players is built very differently in DZ

[limpid pelican]

it's the same thing for gta 5 on console vs five m. high frame rates and how smooth the game runs, also could be 2 diff game mehcanics

has to do a lot with max turn speed as well

console games are limited, pc u can do a 1080 in a small swipe

[drowsy parcel]

what. did they do. to the heads in the barber.

[tacit goblet]

So is PVP different in PC compared to Consoles

[drowsy parcel]

that is not what my character looks like outside of the barber. yikes.

[limpid pelican]

100%. movement is meta on console, on pc you'll just get beamed lol

[solar berry]

The skill is far different I would say. It’s harder than console.

[tacit goblet]

So uhhh what should I be doing on PC

[solar berry]

Beaming with wild movement

[limpid pelican]

true. on console u can get away with not adsing though and just strafing, on pc you will get 1 tapped by a regulus trying to do that lol

[solar berry]

Real

[limpid pelican]

it's hard to get to specifics because it changes with what the other people are using

[solar berry]

Or a shotgun to the face

[tacit goblet]

Can Div2 run at more than 60 FPS on consoles

[solar berry]

Strafing like crazy and a manic. Next thing you see a is a big slap

[limpid pelican]

think its 120

[tacit goblet]

nice

[solar berry]

Meanwhile I run 180+ on pc

[tacit goblet]

I run at mostly 100 ish FPS

[limpid pelican]

i prefer pc but cba getting 28 expertise again + the countless amount of watch runs for maxing out builds

[solar berry]

240hz do be different feeling than 120hz

It’s hella smooth

[tacit goblet]

And Normally is SHD 1 - 500 level bracket in DZ dead?

[limpid pelican]

yes

[tacit goblet]

man im still stuck at SHD 390

[solar berry]

Most people don’t enter dz till 1k+ SHD lvl

[tacit goblet]

So I end up playing Conflict

[limpid pelican]

i had no idea it was a thing until i was helping my friends that just picked up the game

was trying to teach them how to pvp and they got transferred out i'm like wtf is this

[solar berry]

I learned that a while ago. I was confused. Then closely checked dz, it says 1k+ bracket for me

[limpid pelican]

if you get invited by a 1k+ player you'll stay in there until you leave

such a shit fix honestly, but everyone complained how much of a disadvantage it was

[solar berry]

They added SHD bracket in to fix an issue was happening before

[limpid pelican]

was it for other reasons?

[tacit goblet]

Oh well, is Grinding CP the Best way to grind XP

I saw there is a combined 5x XP event and Gold Bullet coming soon

[solar berry]

Apparently someone was telling me. You could do sum with the watch. I think by not claiming it and be lvl 40 and farm lower lvl players or sum

[solar berry]

Best xp farm combo

[tacit goblet]

So uhh do Control Points?

[limpid pelican]

i think meta xp/hr is doing public executions w as many directives as u can

[tacit goblet]

Is there a specific build for it

[limpid pelican]

but im sure control points are too far off. good for getting all your blueprints unlocked as well

do you have a regulus?

[tacit goblet]

I can do the project i mean but not now

[limpid pelican]

hmm. see if you have a d50 with determined or a sniper with determined

oh 1886

[subtle bluff]

D50 is pretty bad now..

It got nerf to hell in tu22

[limpid pelican]

yeah use 1886 but you need to use gunner to gen ammo

[tacit goblet]

think I alr have max gunner spec

[limpid pelican]

yeah idk, if i make an alt i just sit in kenly until 20 expertise 1.5k shd

[subtle bluff]

Wait what.. You need ammo for 1shot hs builds?

[limpid pelican]

but that's probably not the most ethical thing to recommend

[subtle bluff]

Get one kill or 2 skills with pistol then you have enough

[limpid pelican]

bro are you good

[tacit goblet]

Ima ask in lfg for someone to help me get Firewall Spec

[limpid pelican]

just wait until kenly college 5xp, or spam determined 1886 if u really want

you'll have 1.5k shd in like 3 hours

[tacit goblet]

I see

Wait Kenly Colleges gives a lot of XP?

[limpid pelican]

it's a spawn trap farm

not sure when it's being released again, there's rumors that they're nerfing it? idk just speculation atp though

[limpid pelican]

@solar berry

[solar berry]

HF? For arm/health on kill?

[limpid pelican]

Yeah and amplified damage to marked enemies. Everything is headshot damage

[solar berry]

I see

Cqb 1886 build pretty much

[limpid pelican]

Its brain off easy. Just gotta get ammo with a pistol kill. U have a harvest pistol?

[solar berry]

Ye

[limpid pelican]

Use that to get ammo and try to proc headhunter (your chainkiller chest piece talent) with a headshot kill

[solar berry]

Tbh. I’m not a fan of semi stuff

[limpid pelican]

Then swap to your 1886, hit the next headshot yourself then every body shot will 1 tap

Oh wait

[solar berry]

I like autos more, cuz striker

[limpid pelican]

I tagged the wrong person lmfao im not the brightest am i

[solar berry]

Might be for someone else

[limpid pelican]

👋

Lmfao my bad

[solar berry]

All gud

We both purp color

my fav pistol on every build i use... extra skill tier passively when kard is out. also max out my chc and more chd to the build

[limpid pelican]

Such a good gun

[solar berry]

I use it a lot. Especially when striker stacks is maxed out. Ez pistol kills ong

That’s why I hover around 50% so much. So much extra room that people buff the rest of 10% left a lot and if no buffs from like coyotes. I have kard with finisher

I put out a lot of dmg with 10s

Yea some people say 10s is shot. But 10s go a long way

[solar berry]

Majority of the time I matchmake sum. Atleast 1 or so people run coyotes

Especially in countdown. So many people run around with the mask

[brisk hollow]

How or where do i farm for specific gear sets?

[bright raptor]

you have several options

There's a button on the world map view that allows you to see the targeted loot of the day for all neighborhoods and missions - if the gearset you want is available you can farm activities in the neighborhood or the mission

However, there are now more categories of stuff than there are neighborhoods and missions, or sometimes you just don't want to play those

The Summit and Countdown have selectable targeted loot - open the map when you're there and you can select the targeted loot you want.

Countdown Challenging is the best source of loot in the game for the time spent, but the mode heavily prefers that you already have some sort of weapon damage DPS build to be able to keep up with the other players

[brisk hollow]

How do i select targeted loot for countdown?

the set i want to farm is not shown on the map right now, does it reset weekly or daily?

And much thanks for your help!

[bright raptor]

Targeted loot changes daily

Once you're loaded into Countdown you can open your map and select targeted loot. However, I find it more convenient to select it at the Summit lobby as both share the same custom targeted loot

[slow tide]

What specialisation is lmg good for please.

[bright raptor]

all of them? Specializations are primarily there as a final level of minor enhancements to your build

[lament fossil]

Whats a good website to find build options? Just came back after 2 years of not playing and looking to find some relevant builds. 🙂

[bright raptor]

Pinned messages in this channel, The Spreadsheet 2

[lament fossil]

Perfect! Thank you!

[slow tide]

Thank you

[lethal portal]

Hey everyone, returning player, have been looking up a lot of high dmg, "one shot" builds. All the videos i'm watching seem to still be using determined before it was nerfed. Do "one shot" builds currently exits without this talent?

[solar berry]

my crit build. still need to max out attributes

[bright raptor]

Determined has had its nerf reverted because the nerf literally broke stuff on the backend

use of Regulus or shotguns also mean not using Determined

[versed summit]

And just to add, no headshot build needs determined, as all the builds are just reliant on the headhunter chest talent. Determined just takes any skill out of the build because it gives you headshots for free essentially

[sturdy mortar]

is this builds good for pvp and pve run ? and witch one is better

[lethal portal]

wow, i feel dumb, i could have sworn the last time i checked it was reading differently, when did they revert it? i completely missed it.

[lethal portal]

i agree with you on that, my noobness needs some help in the head shot area, lol

[versed summit]

Just takes a lil practice 🙂

[versed summit]

Same season it released IIRC

[lethal portal]

gonna see if i can throw something together and get to practicing, thanks for the help 🙂

[solar berry]

so much dmg from eb with modifier

[red island]

i wish i had eb :(

[solar berry]

Eb is very good. With a drawback.

Still won’t beat Year 1 Eb. Best Eb we ever had in this game

Miss it every time I play div2 😭

[junior surge]

You can also select it from the map in dc, just hover over pentco and press the button for it, it's down on ps, idk for other platforms

[winged prism]

if they just buffed all the useless exotics we wouldnt have to miss it 💔

[solar berry]

Real

[tawny belfry]

Does a skill tier increase status effects?

[patent fossil]

if you scroll down on a skill's description it tells you exactly what each tier adds to that skill

[tawny belfry]

Well i was looking into status effects. Was wondering if the damage or durations from burn which is applied via weapon/modifiers does increase

[brisk hollow]

What is eb?

[junior surge]

Eagle Bearer, an exotic AR

[brisk hollow]

Ah thanks !

[patent fossil]

in that case, no it won't

[brisk hollow]

Also you need to reselect the targeted loot in countdown? it won't remember he last selected?

[patent fossil]

it remembers your previous selection, but countdown target loot is shared with summit so changing one will change the other

[solar berry]

Vile exotic and status attributes on gear pieces increases it, same as the brand and gear set tiers. Not skill tier itself.

[hexed steppe]

Skilltier increases burn strength also.
Burn length will be status effects, but skilltier increases the damage and your burn ticks are determined by the damage at initial application...
This is also why fire skills can double dip skill damage and status effects for initial application damage and the burn tick that results.

[magic pilot]

i was hitting 4.2m with backfire

[charred eagle]

Is the centurion scabbard holster in the loot pool or is it another way to get it?

[solar berry]

Only way is season pass, or someone gets it to drop for you from their loot pool.

[charred eagle]

Didn’t the season for it already end tho? 😭

[placid lion]

Yar. Find someone who likes to share.

[charred eagle]

Well damn 😭😭

[placid lion]

Run a couple countdowns, pop a message in. Good amount of people just run countdown as a bored buffer

You’ll get it soon enough. Got my first nemesis that way

[charred eagle]

Yea, was thinkin this. Preciate the help yall

[red island]

any item from previous seasons is in loot pool normally

[charred eagle]

This is what I’m hoping for cause that’s how I got my Strega

So I would assume it’s in the loot pool but I’m a returning player so I don’t know too much about how things work now

[forest rampart]

it is, its all I can seem to get in countdown

[charred eagle]

You’ll be on later? Lmaooo

[hazy steeple]

Any Exotic that is locked to a Climax Mission is still locked to there, even after you've obtained it.
MSV confirmed this was the case on the last livestream.
The rest should be in the general pool though.

[charred eagle]

Oh it’s tied to a mission?… is the mission still available? 👀

[hazy steeple]

Yep! You can go straight to Space Admin HQ, change the mission type to the version, and then run it.
note: it's only guaranteed to obtain if you finish it on Master difficulty, and the mission still has that Season's Modifiers, not the current ones.

[placid lion]

Radical. Now i need to get it

[hazy steeple]

You do get a chance on lower difficulties, but might take a few tries.

[mint trellis]

Hola

[red island]

english only

[charred eagle]

Well alright… I’m only SHD 260 but yolo lmaoo

[mint trellis]

Anyone want to play?

[placid lion]

Stupid question Do you still unlock the mastery modifier after completing the climax mission- post season?

[charred eagle]

That holster will be mine

[red island]

try #lfg-xbox

[mint trellis]

Yes

[placid lion]

Rad

[hazy steeple]

@charred eagle The Theo Climax Mission doesn't have the Centurion's Scabbard as its unique loot, it has the Provocator Chest.

The holster is just in the LZ pool.

[charred eagle]

LZ?

[placid lion]

Opposite of DZ

[hazy steeple]

It's a slang term for anywhere that's not a raid, incursion, or the DZ.

[charred eagle]

Ahhhh gotcha

[placid lion]

Free roam.

[hazy steeple]

So in your case: Challenging Countdown+Exotic caches, set the TL (targeted loot) to Holsters.
Then pray to rngesus.

[charred eagle]

Bet

Thanks a lot Riven, you helped me a lot with my questions when I post in here Preciate you bro, n everyone

[red island]

not a bro, riven's an ai

[charred eagle]

By any chance you play destiny 2 riven? I’m assuming cause the name

[red island]

(please someone tell me you got the reference here)

[hazy steeple]

I actually have been using the name since before Destiny was a thing,
@red island I appreciate the sentiment, I'll take it.

[red island]

(its a reference to the good place which as a type of ai constantly saying "not a girl" when one of the character call janet "girl")

im watching way too many shows i think

[hazy steeple]

I couldn't get into anything past the first season or so, but the reference did sound familiar.

[red island]

i'd recommend you give it another try, but no pressure if its not your thing

its talking a lot about philosophy in modern world

and what it means to be a "good person"

also chidi is bae

[hazy steeple]

I got the gist, but it felt a little weedy to me.
No hate on anyone who likes it, just didn't click.

So I can pretend that I didn't help derail this, someone suggest a build.

[red island]

i suggest huuuuu

nego dilemma

with diamondback

its always nice to deal damage to people in cover by that link

[hazy steeple]

I actually need to make a new Diamondback build, I'm still using the old one from like 2022.

[turbid thistle]

what its nice build for xp my shd?

[patent fossil]

hotshot headhunter makes for very easy clearing of open world activities on heroic + all directives, especially against outcasts since only the big dude has a helmet

[turbid thistle]

i can find the build pinned message

[patent fossil]

it should be in there as hotshot sniper, yeah

[hazy steeple]

"Sniper Setups" is the name of the Hotshot build in the spreadsheet.

There's also a guide on how to farm them efficiently, 📌 pinned over in #ask-td2-community.

[turbid thistle]

do u have the link for the hotshot headhunter plz?

oh ty its sniper setup 🙂

[patent fossil]

I recommend the 4pc hotshot version, the ammo refill will help work around the pistolero directive, and sharpshooter spec gives you the ammo regen when in cover that you need to get you started

also note that in a couple of weeks there's a 5x XP event starting, if you can put some time aside then to really farm you'll get a LOT of shd very quickly

[turbid thistle]

ty its possible to drop chainkiller on the countdown?

[onyx sage]

yes

[turbid thistle]

what focus loot?

[onyx sage]

walker & harris

[turbid thistle]

ty

[umbral drift]

Hey does anyone have a good suggestion for a pvp and pve build?

[tulip charm]

Its all in the spreadsheet in pinned comments

[umbral drift]

Thanks

[modern radish]

Yea.. i was wondering about your comment befor since i got centurions scabbard in Summit last Season.

[charred eagle]

Yooo @hazy steeple guess what… got it first countdown of the day lol

Quick question… cause I see a lot of backlash when it comes to blue armor cores…. So if you’re all red cores, what do you guys do to rely on healing? Besides umbra. I’ve been seein bloodsucker for the backpack but I’m on Negotiator Dilemma so I gotta use the backpack..

Was thinkin about puttin blue cores in my build but I ain’t tryin to shoot marshmallows

[hexed steppe]

gunner class armor on kill, situational awareness

survivability through superior damage output

[hexed steppe]

memento can help in some cases, but its mainly being aware of your surroundings and how much you expose yourself.
glass or no glass?

[charred eagle]

Gotcha, Preciate the information

[hexed steppe]

i run nego alot , how i roll

[charred eagle]

Yea I’m about to try the centurion holster with Strega so I can get that mag increase and rate of fire n see how that’s cookin

Gon try with pestilence as well

[tulip charm]

remember that if you swap with pesti then you lost the ticks

[drowsy parcel]

Did they buff PfE since the last time I played? From 12 to 15% I'm guessing?

[charred eagle]

Ou did not know that, thanks for that. Might just keep using Strega then

[tulip charm]

it should be 12% unless it was a ninja buff

[drowsy parcel]

That's what I thought but all my 12% mods are uncapped

[timid plume]

13% is max roll on PFE

[drowsy parcel]

Ah gotcha. Ty

[subtle bluff]

PFE 13% is actually the rarest item in the game.

[drowsy parcel]

Oh so they all dropped as 12% when I was playing before, I get it

That seems like a grind to get all 13's

[versed flame]

On legendary levels, it falls more often.

[tulip charm]

I keep forgetting that its 13%

xd

[mint axle]

Just tested that HH build with a non-god roll 1886. I guess I will not be playing with snipers again anytime soon

[glad heart]

This game is not really set up for sniping. The combat is too fast paced, and it is really hard to get an elevated position that is conducive to safe sniping. This game is high energy combat against bullet sponges, dps rules.

If you want to snipe, ghost recon wildlands is the game for you. Snipers heaven

[hazy steeple]

We have sniping solutions for the pace that the game has, they're actually the meta way to farm XP.

[cerulean smelt]

was going to say my HH Hotshot build says otherwise about sniping (> <)

until i run into a npc with a helmet on then i'm kind of screwed XD

[hazy steeple]

That's why you take a back-up gun.
I like my sawn-off, but an SMG can work alright, since it has a massive amount of innate CHC.

[jaunty citrus]

Lexington or kingbraker for hearbreaker build?

[glad heart]

Don't get me wrong, I whip out White Death, and pop heads when the opportunity arises, I just don't see it as a viable primary mode of combat, unless there is a group that takes most of the incoming damage....

[versed summit]

Lexington tbh. It’s just more flexible

[subtle bluff]

Kingbreaker in it current state isn't good period.

[versed summit]

Determined kind of nullifies that tbf, but if you have good enough aim you 100% don’t need determined.

[subtle bluff]

I'm sorry what? It's all about playstyle per player or their gameplay ability for using MMR in this game.

[cerulean smelt]

i miss too many heads with them bobbing and weaving

[hexed steppe]

lex

[subtle bluff]

I mean if you're just doing HS yes but determined makes that a non factor.

[versed summit]

You get used to the animations

[subtle bluff]

To a degree....
Rest is RNG on these ads. LOL

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i tend to play with determined anyways so i'm like eh bob and weave your head but your body makes nice target. sometimes toes 🤔

[subtle bluff]

Trust me.. I know I'm in the matrix sometimes when doing HS in this games

[glad heart]

Alot easier to hit bodies, and an AR aimed high takes many heads off...

[versed summit]

If you’re comparing the sniping to Ghost Recon tho, then yeah, this isn’t the game for you

[subtle bluff]

Yes determined make 1Shotting very very doable in Division 2

[hazy steeple]

Not to veer too far, but which Ghost Recon? The current games are all really arcadey.

[hexed steppe]

decoy is the ideal teamate 😎 , if you are running the modifiers, youll pretty much be sitting on an oc decoy most of the time

[cerulean smelt]

hmm, anyone ever play with last seasons Breaking Point?

[subtle bluff]

You mean like 2 season ago now don't use it for it's gearset talent.

[glad heart]

Wildlands is still a playable tactical shooter, especially if you challenge yourself to play through without getting shot at....

[cerulean smelt]

was that 2 seasons ago? thought it was part of last season 🤔

[subtle bluff]

This was the worse.

[hazy steeple]

Missing?

[cerulean smelt]

that's my aim basically

[hazy steeple]

What I see there is mostly just taking too long to fire.

This is a modern game, you have to be a kid on 18 red bulls.

[hexed steppe]

when all the npcs idolize Neo...

[red island]

im on holy now

[subtle bluff]

I'm pumping...

[red island]

better taste

[glad heart]

HAHA no kidding... I am 71 years old... ugh not for the faint of heart

[subtle bluff]

It's just off pace kind of slow but then it's RNG when they want to start this it was too late they all wanted to that. Good thing I had DCH charging so Reggie win.

Well Reggie red ad ftw

[cerulean smelt]

only issue i have with myself. i keep gripping my mouse like i'm trying to crush it with my hand. after a few hours i feel i have to chop my hand off because it doesn't want to unravel from gripping the mouse XD

[last crescent]

Any good tank/tank hybrid build?

[red island]

check pinned message for build spreadsheet

there arent many tank builds tho

[gloomy spruce]

So um hi, div 2 official builds help.

Does anyone here have a build that can kill the marauder class helicopter that is frenzied and blacklisted on heroic 4 person scaling fighting solo because the other people either left, has a hard wired build, or a blue striker build and you have to run damage?

I am asking for a friend.

[shy willow]

Uhhh afaik no

They regen way too fast

[hazy steeple]

It's being looked into as an issue.

[cerulean smelt]

i had that, but i was on my second account with red strikers and chameleon (best i have on the account) and i'd watch the health dip a little. reload and hey it's full again

thought maybe that account just doesn't have a build to handle it

[gloomy spruce]

I or I mean my friend was running a St Elmos with striker chest piece and backpack. Full stacks.

[cerulean smelt]

i'd watch the health drop to like 90% i think? reload and it'd be full again i gave up at that point

[gloomy spruce]

I or he would fire on the thing and a quarter of its bar would turn red and deplete, only for him to have to get more ammo and then the thing regen to full health.

[hazy steeple]

It won't die, we get it.

[red island]

time to get bulletking out of the stash

my beloved

[gloomy spruce]

It won't help.

[hazy steeple]

The only thing that will kill it for certain: normal difficulty.

[gloomy spruce]

😭

[hazy steeple]

A full red strikers with oblit chest+coyotes should about do the trick.

[gloomy spruce]

I had full striker chest piece, 200 stacks with backpack and I knocked it down by a quarter with 1000 bullets

That was on heroic granted.

On normal, it might have worked tho

[hazy steeple]

That one extra round would've insta-killed it. Rookie mistake.

[gloomy spruce]

I meant, by a quarter. I had to edit my statement.

The people who wanted difficulty back into the game got their wish.

Too bad they likely left a few years ago.

[hazy steeple]

That didn't take long.

[shy willow]

There's difficulty and then there's literally impossible

[subtle bluff]

It's soo cute on hard. I was running HHF with both DCH and HH fully stacked in a RMM and boom.

[proven merlin]

you'd need liberty though, and its shield focus

[last crescent]

thanks

[last crescent]

could youuuuu, name the gear set

[proven merlin]

foundry bulwark

if you dont have any, run countdown and target it

[last crescent]

thanks

[proven merlin]

you need all the components

its not too hard imo

Yeah, im pretty sure

let me check the excel sheet

you need to do the missions in order though

if you use it with a dmg build, you can 1 shot most enemies i think

yeah, hella handy since the build can tank a lot and the dmg to your shield heals you

include liberty and you can basically keep yourself alive forever. if you have a healer, you can literally be invincible

[subtle bluff]

I don’t condone these kind of tank builds. There selfish and all they really do is stay alive. Support tank are much better using PFE stuff and/or building it where it buff the team.

[proven merlin]

what does it matter, you can just take most of the aggro and support that way

[subtle bluff]

Killing things faster or CC them is more reliable than attempting to try to take Agro

[proven merlin]

🤨

[subtle bluff]

I’d post my Lego run for reference but I can’t.

I mean EP and PFE.

There’s 2 kind of tanks. Selfish and Support tanks

[proven merlin]

by that logic 2/3 builds would be selfish

[subtle bluff]

You have half support in that build which I’m not against at all

Supports give something to the team.

There are talent that can help do more damage for the team or give armor.

[proven merlin]

idk if this is copper rank rage bait or if you just follow whatever meta is out there

[subtle bluff]

#td2-build-advice message

Video reference of me just supporting and following people.

[proven merlin]

either way i think we're getting carried away with this discussion, lets agree to disagree and maybe not clog up the build channel

[shy willow]

Tanks don't draw any aggro

If you have a DPS player they will be getting targeted to the point where ads will literally run straight past you to shoot them lol

[subtle bluff]

Trying to explain that there’s a different/better way to do it. You’re doing 1/2 of what the newer players always do with a tank builds.

[shy willow]

The best traditional tank I've used is blue OD

[proven merlin]

this is destny 2 meta builds all over again, im not interested in discussing if a build is or isnt optimal

[subtle bluff]

If I were to say anything actually rude I’d say those kind of build aka selfish tank builds is meta for new players making tank builds that think it’s good in leggo.

[shy willow]

This is build advice lol

Ofc optimal setups are gonna be suggested

[subtle bluff]

Again.. I never it’s bad or not optimal. I’m saying look at a different way of doing and you’ll be surprised at the outcome

I’m totally about PFE support tanks when doing RMM leggo. Not selfish tanks that just take dmg and not help deal with Rusher, Medics and drones.

[proven merlin]

this is my other support build does this tickle your fancy instead?

[urban latch]

no

[shy willow]

No

Hard wired isn't necessarily bad it's just situational

[proven merlin]

i know i dont have a good set for skill atm

[subtle bluff]

Like I have a Hardwire build for fun but I not amazing but it works to a degree.

[shy willow]

Future initiative is the premier support set

[proven merlin]

i use HW with stinger since i mostly just use btsu dg

[subtle bluff]

I’m against hardwire at all but what skills you use is depended on your team.

[proven merlin]

i tickle them occasionally but its fun

[subtle bluff]

Some you can go Stinger some Need Healing etc etc

NBB 100%

[shy willow]

The two uses I've seen for HW is drone killer and spamming clusters

Nobody is against skill builds lol

[subtle bluff]

Skill builds isn’t trash just won’t do what you’re setting it out there for to do.

[proven merlin]

about as selfish as it gets, no heals, no armour, occasional 1 shot,

[subtle bluff]

Build wise

But you kill things which needs to happened in missions

[shy willow]

If you kill everything then nothing will be shooting at you or your squad

[urban latch]

That's your best build yet, just lose Elmo's

[shy willow]

DPS best support

[subtle bluff]

What I mean but a Selfish tank that all it really does is stay upright. It can’t kill or do enough dmg quickly enough to effect an ad.

[shy willow]

When lol

We promote skill builds all the time

Its just people associate skill builds with only the turret and drone

[proven merlin]

1 in 5 people i join for backup requests run skill builds and theyre usually some of the better teammates i get

[shy willow]

Tur/drone isnt the only skill build

Can run mortar for a more potent damage skill

[subtle bluff]

Has much hate has I’ll get I think HW can be good when played and used right. Being able to CC, Heal, OC and do some dmg all at once can be really helpful. In a better group it doesn’t really do anything.

Mortar build actually does dmg.

I don’t have the clip but 20mill a mortary is nothing to cough at.

OK I’m getting off my phone.

[proven merlin]

no

every time i do that and join a lobby its always people lower than lvl 100

[shy willow]

I thought skill builds were good👀

[shy willow]

Its okay

[proven merlin]

ok buddy like im going to try and carry 7 people in a countdown lobby

i wouldnt be able to do that with strikers i dont have the time o r skill

[shy willow]

You can solo countdown and it always scales to 8 players

Striker is more universal and more reliable

[proven merlin]

im well aware its possible im saying I cant

[shy willow]

Naturally it'll get suggested over stuff that doesn't work in a lot of content

[cerulean smelt]

striker is great for a fresh 40 as it'll allow them to provide dps while learning game modes/missions/raids/incursion. one of the higher reasons it's always suggested i believe

[shy willow]

A lot of sets don't take much effort to get working

Virtuoso is the worst I've seen so far in that regard

[cerulean smelt]

should've been around when they had say Negotiator's Dilemma tied to needing 6 pieces and being Demolitionist

[proven merlin]

is negotiators even relevant?

i dont think ive ever seen anyone use it properly

i only see it with new players that have the mish mash builds

[urban latch]

nego is still one of the best sets in the game

very underrated by the "only use striker" crowd

[cerulean smelt]

i'll admit i haven't touched it in a long long while. think last time i had a build was to benefit the manhole cover + bullet king exploit XD

[proven merlin]

considering every new build i see is always "build into crits" im surprised its not used more often

[broken edge]

it's for killing multiple mobs, people tend to just focus on killing what's in front of them really fast and then the next thing with striker

[shy willow]

Too much effort for many

[proven merlin]

i refuse

[shy willow]

?

[proven merlin]

tbf i dont even think i've got obliterate in my library

i had one for mmr hotshot/breaking point build

but i replaced it with perf headhunter/determined/vigilance

[shy willow]

Striker is already broken enough you'll be killing too fast to stack to 200 in normal content

[proven merlin]

i had both hotshot AND BP for the crit/rifle/mr dmg

[proven merlin]

not stacked into crit chance so i hit 200 often

[shy willow]

?

What attribute are you using

[cerulean smelt]

not sure how many times i've tried a NBB, Picaro's holster + maybe palasades hybrid build focusing on skill damage just to see how it fairs but always dismantle it afterwards XD

[proven merlin]

the striker set i have rn i farmed in like 2022 so its built into wep dmg and headshot dmg

im currently farming for crit chance set

well, not currently but when i have nothing to do i farm for better strikers

[cerulean smelt]

i bet your the sick person using First Sight on that build (> <) j/k

[onyx sage]

critical hit junkies

[proven merlin]

hell yeah, that scope is sick

[gloomy spruce]

Unless it is a Frenzied Blacklisted Marauder on Heroic 4 person scaling with rando groups.

I feel that I need to remind you and everyone else here that we have a new bar of difficulty. Lets also not forget that lego Roosevelt exists.

[cerulean smelt]

think i've had that with normal engineer turrets or tanks as well

🤔 could you imagine the marauder in pentagon being that? (> <)

[proven merlin]

this is what i replaced. curses be upon ye

[shy willow]

Sir that isn't difficulty that's just broken

[proven merlin]

no

[gloomy spruce]

I already had that exact experience. The really challenge is Lego Roosevelt. On lego Roosevelt, there are two copters.

[shy willow]

Chest is reserved for legendary/incursion/raid

[shy willow]

Wtf

[proven merlin]

it was, i only did like 9-10 mil headshot dmg

im over my rifle phase

[shy willow]

With MMRs it's headhunter/GC if you crit or bust

[cerulean smelt]

looks simlar to a build an old friend came up with. NBB, 1 or 2 hotshot, aces and some other things to try and maximize the HSD on it XD

[proven merlin]

oh, yeah i cba since i really only use my sniper build whem farming shepherd ranks

meh, shd level is cool and all but im just farmin shepherd rn

most of the time it puts me in low level story difficulty lobbies anyway

[broken edge]

help people

[proven merlin]

patch/badge

[cerulean smelt]

like i go down, i call for help, you respond and do things with me then i can forget the word here that i'd do to give you some shepherd xp

think a minute of that per?

Endorse is the word i was looking for

[proven merlin]

yeah, you can get endorsed after doing a certain amount of activities.

[cerulean smelt]

you get shepherd experience

[proven merlin]

you get shepherd xp

and some regular xp

environmental hazards or blowing up bombers next to them

[cerulean smelt]

not me, it's just getting too cocky and next thing i know i'm surrounded XD

be even better with max momentum and hunter hacks it

[digital burrow]

Does skill duration keep your shield up longer ?

[proven merlin]

no

shield health is determined by blue and yellow cores

[gloomy spruce]

That sounds awful. Why not just respond to backups to help people and improve the health of the game by making it more welcoming to new players?

[cerulean smelt]

and if you want, add forge holster (> <)

[digital burrow]

@proven merlin more cores will keep it up longer too ?

[proven merlin]

yeah, build into either armour or skills

[shy willow]

Shields don't have a duration

[cerulean smelt]

6 armor/skil cores = more shield health in general

[shy willow]

They last as long as they have health

[cerulean smelt]

now we have 2 guns that can make it last a longer, but liberty is probably the easiest considering you shoot body 5x? then hit head and shield repairs

[proven merlin]

man i love getting 45 of the same patches just slightly recoloured

[cerulean smelt]

😹 to think someone complained about "i have to pay the season pass for a patch for current season!" when it used to be free apparently

[hazy steeple]

It's still free, just an alternate version is the paid copy.

[proven merlin]

the seasonal patches are free though, except the prestige ones

[shy willow]

You still get 3 free ones ^

[hazy steeple]

e.g. this Season, the paid one has stars on it.

[cerulean smelt]

maybe they didn't see the free one or they really liked the paid version better

[proven merlin]

whats there to enjoy???

its basically a rectangle instead of a hexagon

[cerulean smelt]

beats me, i'm like it's a patch. what's so great about them? about the only one i'm happy to own is pre-wony speed run of Dark Hours

[digital burrow]

I see ok. Im making a tank bld for lgnd missions. Im at tier 6 . Is adding a 50% shield health mod good idea or overkill ?

[proven merlin]

depends on your build imo, if you dont have anything to heal your shield with then sure

[digital burrow]

Using artificer hive and have some repair skills

[cerulean smelt]

can always goto floor 10 in summit at normal level. go back to lobby set it to Legendary and go in and test it out

[proven merlin]

make a build with and without it and test it

[digital burrow]

And 4 piece bulwark

[hexed steppe]

what is the repair % listed in the artificer info

[shy willow]

My beautiful golden anvil patch

[hexed steppe]

at the tier youre using it at^

[cerulean smelt]

what's the Golden Anvil Patch?

[shy willow]

You get a gold version of the iron horse completion patch after you do every commendation for it

[hexed steppe]

in stats

[digital burrow]

@hexed steppe u mean skill repair under the art hive? Its at 32%

[cerulean smelt]

googled it and was like ahh

[proven merlin]

oh wait yeah, thats dependent on his build

disregard

[hexed steppe]

yeah i think thats what im looking for

[cerulean smelt]

i'll probably never get it honestly XD

[hexed steppe]

yeah, correct screen tho

[shy willow]

It was simple right up until hotfoot

And there's one where you have to kill a chunga with the cannon

[digital burrow]

@hexed steppe @proven merlin is 32% enough or on the low side

[proven merlin]

imo significantly low side but i lock in and farm gear for like 312 hours so dont take my word for it

[cerulean smelt]

i couldn't say, but from what i remember kept the shield up for quite awhile, think i followed a legendary tank build one time but takes forever so i gave up on it XD

[hexed steppe]

it depends on the type of beating the shield takes. i use a memento/car door, highend pistol hh build, and the repair scales from 48-60% range when memento stacks.

thats at tier 3 arti

[proven merlin]

tbf i use liberty so i cant realy speak on that

[cerulean smelt]

i can only imagine what tier 5 momentum shield would be like XD

[digital burrow]

Also gonna add the protective talent or safeguard. Not sur which is btr for my shield health and just overall survivabilty

[hexed steppe]

can probably achieve it on a hh build

[digital burrow]

@hexed steppe i see

[proven merlin]

this is what i use, though i dont run heals so i cant really tell you wether or not arti hive is good for it or not

[hexed steppe]

yeah, its gonna be trial and error. i used that high %, but it was the only healing i spec into the build, and it was mostly from memento scaling

[digital burrow]

Interesting. Thanks

Any thoughts on protector talent vs safeguard ?

[cerulean smelt]

not sure on backpack honestly, i did like Pointman though (> <) for the chest

wasn't much of a fan of tardigrade with using Spec weapons to get the cool down dropped aspect

forget the cooldown on that pointman though. 10 or 15 seconds?

but i imagine tardigrade is much better in general though

[hexed steppe]

not safeguard , if armor is full you wont need the extra repair skills. thats more of a healer talent afaik.

[cerulean smelt]

not sure if it'll be any better, but i'd swap lengmo with either a normal guila mask or chill out

[hexed steppe]

foundry bag doesnt sound bad tbh, but im also not a talk build guy so dont really have a strong opinion one way or another for it

[digital burrow]

Gotcha@hexed steppe but safeguard will help my artificer hive which in turn will heal shield......i think

[cerulean smelt]

i only tried it a long time ago myself so not sure if anything is different with 1 lengmo

[hexed steppe]

its gonna be one of those things that testing will help flesh out

[cerulean smelt]

Safeguard -- While at full armor, increases total skill repair by 130%. Total Skill Repair
you really won't be at full armor in a tank build though so the skill repair doesn't do much for you

[hexed steppe]

arti will scale from repair skills

if shield is taking fdamage but armor isnt i can see the logic from it

[cerulean smelt]

unless you're going to cower in a corner kind of deal but i think they always manage to hit your armor in some way

[subtle bluff]

If you're taking the much dmg there something else not going right there imo.

For a really big shield

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 though i'm curious if using incoming repairs mod would help that?

i'm usually solo so i'm getting hit from someone either to the side or behind me because i tunnel vision on what i feel is more of a threat

[proven merlin]

i use lengmo for the 20% explo res

[subtle bluff]

Took but PFE would be more effective mod

[cerulean smelt]

hmm, i'm curious now. Provactor + foundry

i got an aegis build, people don't seem to like it (> <)

mostly build it to see how it'd fair with provocator and 58% PFE

[subtle bluff]

But provocator only works with 20m so you have to get close or even then if the one sniper that out there is just gonna eat thru that 25%

[shy willow]

Provocator unfortunately garbage

[subtle bluff]

This is the reason why Provo sucks.

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i know, but was just something i wanted to try

[rich lotus]

Hello all, I'm a returning player looking for build help. I'm on Xbox if it matters.

[subtle bluff]

Look into the Pinned Messages

[digital burrow]

Appreciate all the feedback

[trail escarp]

Hey everyone,

I’ve played The Division 2 for a decent amount of years, but when it comes to builds, I’m very new. So if anyone looks at this and thinks, what am I doing?—that explains it! I’m just putting things together that I think are good in my opinion, but since I’m still learning, these things might not even work well together.

I've been working on a Fire Build and wanted to ask for some advice. Right now, my setup includes:

Skills: Incinerator Turret & Firestarter Chem Launcher

Exotic Holster: Imperial Dynasty

Gloves: Not really fire-related, just something skill-based

Gear Set: Ortix: Exuro Ad (Mask, Backpack, Chest Plate, Knee Pads)

Signature Weapon: Flamethrower (makes sense for a Fire Build)

Weapons:
Assault Rifle: St. Elmo's Engine (Exotic)
Shotgun: Lefty
Sidearm: KARD-45 (I rarely use my pistol, so I stick with this one across all my builds since it's my favorite)

Everything in my build is fire-focused, but I feel like my weapons are the weak point since they don’t really contribute to burning enemies.

So my question is:

1. Are there any assault rifles or shotguns that have burn-related talents? Preferably, I’d like one of them to be an exotic.

2. Is it possible to change weapon talents? I’m not 100% sure if certain talents can be swapped out.

Any help would be appreciated! Thanks in advance.

[hexed steppe]

holy textwall. check the pinned 📌 spreadsheet in this channel. lots of solid guides to follow

for fire build look into eclipse protocol and ditch imperial dynasty for a vile mask

[trail escarp]

Thanks I will do

[hexed steppe]

can switch weapon talents if they arent perfect talents like on named items

[trail escarp]

I've seen that and a lot of people have mentioned it in their own posts and IM pretty sure I know how to do it. I just can't do it i'm assuming I don't have the correct materials to do so

[hexed steppe]

capacitor is a good skillbased ar, shotgun with insync should be your backup weapon. both of these have high damage to armor(dta) and that dta improves your fire damage against armored npcs

[hexed steppe]

youll need the talents saved in your library to use in the tinkering station when you want to change talents/attributes

inventory menu > tinkering > library is where you save that stuff

also this can give you an idea of how to setup eclipse protocol. its in the sheet as well

[trail escarp]

Yes, I always see the library option and obviously naturally I have clicked on it a couple times to see what it is or see if I have anything there, but everything just says 0 and whenever I click on something it says extraction required

[hexed steppe]

this is the build that makes fire spread when status affected npcs die

yup, thats normal , as you get rolls in there it fills up pretty quick

[bright raptor]

extraction required means that you haven't saved it, the saving process will consume the item with the roll but allows you to endlessly apply that stat to other gear in the same slot

[trail escarp]

Ahh thanks i will look into that gear set

[trail escarp]

Ahh thanks so i'm starting to understand this a bit more now. So the only thing now is, how do I do that

[forest rampart]

is it a good idea to reroll this elmo's? or keep and optimize?

[cerulean smelt]

either keep and use until you get a 2nd you can reconfigure for better stats or keep and optimize it

[forest rampart]

fair, thanks

[cerulean smelt]

me personally i'd keep and optimize it

[cerulean smelt]

i'm going to assume that your fire will be that much better breaking armor?

[hexed steppe]

well, itll have an increased blast and damage tick against armored npcs.

shotguns and cap both can have 12% dta rolls

[cerulean smelt]

ah ok, i would've thought that the fire would cook them even if they're still armored and they die to it XD

[hexed steppe]

nah it still has to break armor down to get into health

that would be nice tho

[forest rampart]

do mods save with loadouts?

[solar sable]

yup

[rich cosmos]

There should never be an instance where you aren’t using mods

[subtle bluff]

Google Division 2 map there should be something fo rthat there

[mossy lake]

any idea what blue core are on the gloves and knee pads? assuming armour regen but wouldnt crit dmg/chance be better

[versed flame]

PVP??

[mossy lake]

pve

legendary

[versed flame]

Why is he there?Solo?

[mossy lake]

eh

[subtle bluff]

There a NBB it's bad.

[mossy lake]

trying to find a god pve build for legendary etc got this rn whats best?

[junior surge]

There is no limit. After 999shd, you only get scavenging points, every level

[steady copper]

you have to press the save button atleast 10 times for them to save but yes they do

[urban latch]

There's a bug where if you move your mouse while saving a load out, it won't save. If your holding the button to save the load out, just take your hand off your mouse and it'll work, or just click on the save load out

[fair dragon]

Red Strikers if you have it. Slap some PFE mods on if you want survivability, no need for blue cores.

[winged vine]

I'm probably just second-guessing myself here, but if I'm using Refactor purely for a fire build, Status Effects would be wiser than Skill Damage, no?

[versed flame]

Waveform-gives more damage than effectiveness, but this is in the usual drone build.

If you take the vest of the green set, the damage is lower, the healing is greater!it depends on what you need)

you can build this)))))

[sullen sun]

Does anyone have an optimal Refactor build out yet?

[red island]

its too new to have tested everything yet

[urban latch]

Your setup is solid. Only thing I'd change is the backpack talent, but combined arms is fine, it's just preference

[worn mango]

Watched someone about builds I've never seen. Stated in another video that 99% of the time Ninja doesn't work, but the video I watched before unironically uses Ninja and it's actually awesome lol

I'm glad he could make a viable build but then also admit that Ninja bag for the most part is awful

[red island]

well thats cause most of the build always comes from the bp talent

and ninja talent is just nonexistent compared to that

[worn mango]

Oh for sure. This is HF but you use WH and Sokolov so you're actually getting decent passives

And then also getting the two cores for shield

SMG damage, crit damage, weapon damage and damage to armor

Good for solo cause I hate dealing with Momento and I need to get it proficient anyway

I'm in a Countdown with a guy who has 11684h on this game, holy good god

SHD 55524

[solar berry]

There is people in the 100k shd

[worn mango]

Actually insane

[solar berry]

I swear they don’t play any game or don’t have a job

Live and breathe div2 like their life depends on it.

[red island]

some actually do play few hours everyday since the game came out

unemployed/on welfare/etc

not everybody has responsibilities irl

[hazy steeple]

Okay back to the builds now.

[worn mango]

I never realized how hard it was to find a double correct roll and talent on a chest you wanna change core to

[hazy steeple]

It was a heck of a lot harder before Targeted Loot.

[worn mango]

Oh I can't even imagine

Doubel crit Grupo with Unbreakable might be the death of me lol

I'm glad I'm playing other things right now so I can take a break lol

Putting smoke down really isn't good for anything in PVE. I've seen people use it in PVP as a 'stealth' build

[hazy steeple]

It kind of feels like it's still not as useful as Coyotes, if we're comparing directly.

[onyx sage]

it's very good at its job

[worn mango]

No but Coyote's chance and damage can't really be replaced

[hazy steeple]

Gearsets are already fairly lacking in the crit department, I am kinda iffy on giving any of that up.
Being able to drop 5-10% chc is pretty nice.

[onyx sage]

if you were to sacrifice an exotic for some more survivability, it's really good. though as you already know, it's no coyote

[winged vine]

I'd like to try a SysCor build with Exodus & SMGs

Maybe with Bighorn

SysCor... the bane of farmers everywhere

When targeted first was added, I believe you could get SysCorin DZ

[onyx sage]

nope

[hazy steeple]

SysCorr was originally from a Season Pass, so technically the fastest way to get it is Legacy Season Caches.

[cerulean smelt]

about all i remember always a chance in dz randomly
but yeah, legacy season caches is how i got my one set

[winged vine]

I just remember farming occupied dz when SysCor was targeted

[magic pilot]

I got mine from dz

[magic pilot]

It has never been targeted loot

[cerulean smelt]

then after i destroyed my sys corruption think i spammed conflict for my next set

[magic pilot]

Tbh I usually don't run coyotes on my strikers

But i also have to change it to slot in exodus

[onyx sage]

i run it now with striker + backpack

[winged vine]

Years ago... pretty sure it was

[onyx sage]

no it just never was

you could get it from season 1 caches but that's it

that's how you got so many

[winged vine]

Ok... I believe you

[magic pilot]

I usually run pgc/gift

[onyx sage]

yeah but with exodus you have to run striker in either chest or bp

[magic pilot]

I was helping a friend run countdown and ran backfire with ceska/fox

[magic pilot]

Yea it kinda sucks

[onyx sage]

i ran capitol twice with striker only exodus

it's pretty fun, still get sub 20 for both

[thorny orchid]

FYI, the "explosive DPS hybrid" in the "hybrid and other" category build link doesn't work anymore in the spreadsheet

[magic pilot]

I think it's supposed to be private

Will check on it now

[thorny orchid]

it just sends you to the home page of imgur

[magic pilot]

Yep I'm getting the same thing

@lavish ingot you still want your builds on the sheet?

[thorny orchid]

while im here, does anyone have a seeker spam build? I take it it's demolitionist with 4 piece hard wired (with BP), 1 piece wyvern and 1 piece china, with chest having explosive delivery ?

[cerulean smelt]

BP is the 30 second buff correct? if so that could work

[thorny orchid]

and insync on the weapon

[thorny orchid]

yeah

[cerulean smelt]

never thought of Wyvern and 1 china though 🤔 and explosive delivery

[onyx sage]

chest has glass cannon

[thorny orchid]

so something like that ?

just imagine attribute/mod slots are skill damage/haste

[onyx sage]

yeah, though you want an in sync shotgun over harmony

or capacitor

[cerulean smelt]

oh the damage to armor part right?

[onyx sage]

yes

[thorny orchid]

i don't erally like shotguns, but i see your point

what i could do howeveris keep the harmony and put the shotgun on the secondary weapon

[onyx sage]

you want to hold the shotgun in hand for the dta to apply

explosive damage loves dta and shotguns have the most of it

if you don't like shotguns, there's always capacitor

[thorny orchid]

just holding the weapon is enough for DTA to apply, then i can just ise any weapon ?

[cerulean smelt]

yes, but like refactor is saying the shotgun an exotic ar capacitor has the highest dta

[thorny orchid]

oh okay, though all weapons could have it

capacitor it is then

[cerulean smelt]

they can, but i don't think it's as high as those 2

[onyx sage]

capacitor and shotguns can have 12% dta

any others can have 6%

[thorny orchid]

thanks all, build is made, had all parts already in stock (somehow)

[cerulean smelt]

probably had a thought "i may use this some day"

think i had to rebuild mine crafting it lol

[thorny orchid]

i think it's that lol, just the stash is full of shit

[lavish flare]

So.. i wanted to make a refactor build that could do some semblence of dps, it would be a skill build, but refactor would cover the squishy side (in theory) 💀

And i think ive gotten something like that.. but still not 100% on it

Im debating this chestplate, or just going picaros holster, honestly im not even sure how good refactors armour repair is, and if it can even keep up with getting blasted in the face by someone with a weapon damage build, but this is just like.. a funny theory, n i could use a fresh set of eyes

[cerulean smelt]

problem with your refactor there

[lavish flare]

huh

[cerulean smelt]

gearset usually is Core and 1 Attribute, but you got the refactor there like they're high end (yellow) gear with 1 core and 2 attributes

[lavish flare]

one is a mod slot as its a backpack

That what you mean or am i missing smth else

[cerulean smelt]

so, explain how you got got a core (weapon damage, armor or skil tier) skill damage, crit hit damage and mod all in the chest?

[lavish flare]

I lowk was just clicking things, but i didnt realize that actually

[cerulean smelt]

devil's due will probably be your biggest unicorn too

well, maybe not so bad, but still you'll be hunting for it for quite a while

[lavish flare]

Fair enough, it sbetween that or picaros tho

[cerulean smelt]

if you want to try with picaros. maybe if you got a Ninja Backpack. might be interesting

[lavish flare]

oh yeaah.. hol up

[lavish flare]

Maybe???

I couldnt think of anything better than heartbreaker

[cerulean smelt]

i'd say try it out and then iron out your wrinkles
personally i see no point in having any crit damage when your chance is so low
but that's just my opinion

[lavish flare]

Fair, its at 31% atm, if i didnt do heartbreaker i could probably get another piece that gives me about 10%

But i guess thats inneficient opposed to just going weapon damage

• more skill damage is more heals so..

[cerulean smelt]

but like i said, that's just my opinion

[lavish flare]

Fair enough, i could try it both ways ig

Its possible that just running headshot damage might be smarter

inbetween the skill damage etc..

This is what it looks like now

[bold leaf]

YT builds are pure memes for clickbait nowadays, surely? I don't hate on people, especially when they're doing something different, but when it's branded 'meta' it leaves me wondering

[cerulean smelt]

think that was my last Identity build today with oxpecker being the old "Clutch/Berserk" meta build

Oxpecker is the NEW Berserk/Clutch! A Broken META... 👀

[bold leaf]

Right?! The one I just saw is Oxpecker with Visionario... for the 50% optimal range...

If you need to be shielded at range, isn't that what cover is for? I don't get it

[cerulean smelt]

thanks i was like "what did i have that had 50% optimal range in it? that's legatus as well right?

[bold leaf]

It is yeah. The suggestion was also that they could swap out their chest piece for a second Legatus and increase range by a further 70%.... whyyy

[cerulean smelt]

120% total? or 70% is the maximum? sounds awesome though!

[bold leaf]

I presume the 50% from the mask and 70% from the brand set are additive from the base range of the weapon. But like why on an SMG with a shield

[cerulean smelt]

only thing comes to mind. less running

[thin olive]

Refactor as a whole will never deal as much damage as a full high-end skill build, and it won’t heal as much as a Future Initiative build.

The key strength of Refractor is providing consistent healing while maximizing utility for your team.

In my opinion the best setup with this is:

• 4p Refactor, Mask / Chest / Holster / Kneepads.
• Btsu gloves or Wyvern ( if no hive )
• The setup / Hermano / Proxy.
  Assault turret + Artificer or Striker Drone.

[bold leaf]

You're better off with Capacitor/Test Subject, Force Multiplier and the drone/turret combo. An extra 30% skill damage from the bag just for shooting means more healing. Then leave the buffing or healing to a full FI

[cerulean smelt]

maybe josh is trying for a solo build?

[thin olive]

No real reason to pick refactor for solo. It's like taking FI for solo

[bold leaf]

Oh no I just saw NBB. I'm out

[cerulean smelt]

dunno, nbb + picaros' and 3 refactor might be viable though? 2 weapon cores, 2 armor cores and being technician might just work?

[bold leaf]

Remember that video? Any build is 'viable' 😭

[cerulean smelt]

don't think i've seen it. unless you mean the picture showing that with 5 grey pieces on?

[bold leaf]

Ah no there's one that demonstrates the absurdity of viable builds. I think it's six different single gearset pieces and takes like 20 mins to do heroic lincoln

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNtU3BIEkhM

[mint hollow]

Hello what attributes should I put on my pestilence?

[thin olive]

dta

[lavish flare]

ninjabike bag is not as bad as people are making it out to be 😭

[lavish flare]

I just figured ninjabike prob is more worth it all in all

But btsu doesnt seem bad, 100% uptime (basically) hive is funnn

[red island]

it def is

no amount of brand bonuses can make up for the loss of bag talent

and for geat set : all their power sit in bag for most of them

[lavish flare]

I feel like thats just not true, all builds have their needs, sometimes you just wish you could get that one more set, and ninjabike allows that

[red island]

its not about feels

[lavish flare]

This is true for sure

[red island]

its about stats

[lavish flare]

But i feel like ninjabike isnt for sets and more for gold builds

[hazy steeple]

It's mostly for the trash bin.

[red island]

thats what im saying, no brand bonus can make up for the loss of bag talent

[hazy steeple]

it's a total newb trap of an item. It's a shame.

[red island]

brand bonuses are weak compared to stuff like vigilance, wicked, etc

[lavish flare]

I just think it shouldnt be worshipped, but it has some really interesting niche uses

Ive only used it on one of my builds, and for that it was simply the better option for dmg

[hazy steeple]

It's never the best option for damage.

[red island]

it does have niche use, but like mostly for pvp cause the meta is different than pve

but yeah damage wise its the weakest bag

[lavish flare]

Yeaaahh

[red island]

any pve build with ninja = you cna have more damage with noather bag

[lavish flare]

Like i said in an all gold build is where i mostly see it shining, majority golds to gearset

[hazy steeple]

Post the build here and we can show you how to improve it.
By all means, use the bag if you want to, but it's 100% not the "meta".

[lavish flare]

Yeah i fs agree

[red island]

yeah obviously if you use it to have fun, by all means, use it

we aint gatekeeping fun here, its for you

but mathematically, its weak af

[thin olive]

Only real meta was full red hardwire with shield/revive.. But it got nerfed ...

[lavish flare]

Never in all my career have i said that tho

im not in game rn so i cant send the build, but it was on my headshot dmg sniper build

[red island]

heashot damage build : vigilance

you dont want ninja

no amount of brand or gear bonus will compensate vigilance ever

[hazy steeple]

The brandset bonuses are misleading, they sound a lot better than they are.

10% MMR damage is not 10%, for example.

[lavish flare]

I dont play sniper builds to sit back tho

often im running at people and killing them before they can kill me

[red island]

i do too, with hh build you dont even take damage

you oneshot everyone

[lavish flare]

But it comes close enough to replacing something like vigilance with the added effect of being consistent

[red island]

trust me, vigilance is consistent with hh build

[lavish flare]

idk, often times i find myself taking the first hit if im running close to someone

[hazy steeple]

The simple fact is that Determined makes any sniper build a "run+gun" setup, as it's so overtuned you can pretty much sprint through, as long as there's no enemies with helmets.

[lavish flare]

before i can scope in and eventually one shot them

[red island]

thats a gameplay issue, i can run up to people without taking a hit cause they die before i get hit

also dont play with scope

[hazy steeple]

You can even hipfire headshot using a 100% stability 3pc Hotshot build.

[lavish flare]

Fair

[red island]

its a hinderance

good sniper builds dont scope

[lavish flare]

I use the Mantis, i try to use any other non named sniper and i just cant hit shots, i think its a mind thing

[thin olive]

I'd say it needs a nerf, but it's the only way to make a sniper build viable.

[red island]

mantis is meh

you'd better use m700 or sr1

[hazy steeple]

As a former Aces user, it's not the only way to make them viable.

[red island]

with determined

[lavish flare]

It is i agree, it basically does nothing for me but literally just preference

i have an m700 with determined as an alternative but i just dislike it

[hazy steeple]

Mantis is great if you're still learning how to headshot, but once you do, it's worth jumping voer to something like the White Death.

[red island]

i mean, go try determined hh hotshot build, you'll see how insanely strong it is compared to your build

you'll os everything on sight before they even finish spawning

its making everything a walk in the park

no heroic content can hold that much firepower

[lavish flare]

I change out my pristine example and run the m700 for determined and headhunter, and its 100% better, but it just comes down to preference for me

[red island]

obviously preference is what matter

but if we talk numbers, its not even close

[lavish flare]

Everytime i run the m700 i just feel slower idk what it is, i might try white death

[red island]

and at the end of the day, the goal is still to do damage and kills

[lavish flare]

Oh yeah for sure

[hazy steeple]

An important factor here is "preference, but make sure it can do what you need it to".

[lavish flare]

But i havent met anyone in pvp that i havent one tapped yet to the head

[hazy steeple]

We're mostly talking PvE here, PvP is basically a separate game.

[red island]

pvp is VERY different

we talk pve mostly here if not only

[lavish flare]

Even for pve, i like the mantis decoy and 50% extra dmg

[lavish flare]

Fair enough

I tend to make builds that lean to pvp but still work in pve

[hazy steeple]

Without even checking, I'm going to assume that the damage bonus on the Mantis is off base damage, not buffed?

[lavish flare]

is the text

Im just assuming it takes your damage and adds 0.50

[hazy steeple]

A lot of increased damage in div2 is based off the base damage, so the damage you deal before you factor in the red cores.

e.g. Airaldi is closer to a 2-3% damage buff when you're on a full red build.

[onyx sage]

it's 50% but not including headhunter

[lavish flare]

What does the rouge in your profile picture mean

[hazy steeple]

They're really into make-up.

[red island]

people like to mispell words, like rogue

[hazy steeple]

dien is just fancy as all hell.

[lavish flare]

I was giving the benefit of the doubt 😔

[red island]

rouge, refractor, etc

its funny cause rouge mean red in french

[lavish flare]

but i see the gimmick now its all mispelt

[hazy steeple]

Give them a memento to work it out.

[red island]

this will descent in history

[heavy mist]

made a fi healer, why doesnt this feel as powerful as what ive seen when someone else is running it especially when ive seen it ran with worse stats than what i have and somehow it performs better for them like deadass what is a GOOD healer build that is actually gonna allow me to heal spam my team and not worry about cooldowns n shit cos this btsu gloves and 4p fi is straight ass

[red island]

you need to check the difference between the 2

FI is a good healer build to boost your team

i can put my team to full hp in a single heal instantly

[fickle shard]

Is a skill build viable for PVE and pvp in the dark zone?

[red island]

pve yes, pvp it depends what you're facing

[fickle shard]

By pvp I mostly mean the dark zone

[red island]

in dz it depends what you plan on doing, trapping players at extraction ? stopping them mid landmark ? face people at the entrance ? etc

[heavy mist]

wdym between the two? like mine and what im seeing others use? yeah mine is literally better, minmaxed optimized and all using the exact loadouts as spreadsheets and yet it just performs worse... only thing that's ever felt good was a all red striker 🤷‍♂️ but i really wanna try being a heal spammer

[red island]

if you have better stats on everything, you're missing something, cause raw healing doesnt get stronger out of nowhere

check every minor stats, talents, etc

[heavy mist]

i have matched EVERYTHING gone through item by item

[fickle shard]

Probably the first two, just hit level 40 and wanted to go to the dark zone for better gear and got attacked on my first landmark so probably to also defend my self too

[red island]

show us the builds

[red island]

if its your first time, i think a gun build would suit better, it has way more uses, can help for pve too and will adapt a lot more

skill builds require extensive knowledge of pvp and dz

and its counters/timers

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/3T_Wt4f3s9A?si=1WAC7WD2jm-6pAej

[thorny orchid]

gotta say, that build is awesome, didn't think it'd slap that much

[lavish ingot]

Ohh hi!
You can remove them because they are outdated! Thanks

[digital burrow]

What kind build yall run for lgnd mis in group.

Do u do more tank for survivability, all red- high dps or comb of both?

I've seen utube vids showing both. Curious what other do on here

[red island]

legendary is mostly about team synergy and coordination

you can make everything work basically

knowing the spawns behaviors is a useful tool to win

[normal mortar]

Some of yall jump over ti my spot public gaming

[subtle bluff]

Full tank builds are counterproductive. The main thought is things need to die quickly. It needs to be at least 2 1/2 Damage dealers and any support

[subtle bluff]

Mostly anything can clear with enough time.. meh.

[digital burrow]

@red island @subtle bluff I've seen guys with all red dps bld do very well. Not sure how. maybe they just know like u said all spawns and just the layout of the mis inside out. They are usu high shd so probably did the mis 100s of times

[subtle bluff]

I said Damage dealer. So Red Strikers is always a must in leggo.

[subtle bluff]

Also all your short abbreviations doesn't help...

[digital burrow]

@subtle bluff which ones

[subtle bluff]

Bld mis

[digital burrow]

mis =mission
Bld=build
Thought that was understood

U didn't read my blog?

[subtle bluff]

Is hard to type out?

[digital burrow]

Yes I have carpal

[hoary sail]

well u do mostly legendary with hh , mortar build nd foam cc build

[digital burrow]

Blog comment was a joke

[subtle bluff]

I am not trying to be rude but typing short form then having the possibility of someone not understanding or misreading what you type especially if English isn't their first language but Still want to help then you have to retype or explain it doesn't help you out.

[subtle bluff]

1 Shot or Crit?

[hexed steppe]

probably hunters fury or highend. hf gets the close buff, debuff showing close npcs even when fog directive is on, and disorient/armor on kill. highend is applicable at any range. ig it really depends on content and your personal style

[subtle bluff]

in incursion I'll type it out in a bit here

[merry basalt]

Any improvement?

im at 300.6% headshot with the mantis

nvm forgot to add the mods im at 311.8%

[hexed steppe]

fox's /contractors/ chainkiller/ gift-prov-habs vigilance/ 2pc personal choice : 2 zwai, 2nd walker harris piece for dta, armor on kill pallisades, something supporting your secondary .
theres probably slightly better choices but someone will chime in if i missed stuff

i use something like this for highend pistol hh. it would be similar for 1886

[subtle bluff]

Soo there's 2 ways to run 1886 HF or a mix HE build.
You have the HF way. Fox's and the rest you put down is about right.

[digital burrow]

@subtle bluff i actually used it cus i saw others use that abbreviation . So I figured most know

[subtle bluff]

You know what they say about assuming...
I mean that's why I didn't assume what you said.

[warm knot]

Crit chance @mint hollow otherwise you will be trading 1 or 2 chd mods to get to 50%chc

[thin olive]

On pestilence ? Most builds dont even build crit for pesti

[jaunty nexus]

new to the game need help learning the ropes to builds

[warm knot]

What kind of build are we talking about?

[jaunty nexus]

i’m mainly looking for pvp but right now i need pve because i’m trying to for for an eagle bearer

[thin olive]

The only one that matters with pesti, triple dot full status OD with vile

[jaunty nexus]

farm

[proven merlin]

Just use a red strikers, using anything else with cause all the gatekeepers to riot

[warm knot]

Dont let @hexed steppe see that. They might have a seizure

Noooooo absolutely NOT. Pestilence tick scales with WEAPON DMG. Also, OD is a dps/support set, not worthy of running status eff setup.

It doesn't even triggers HP ammo from OD

Even blue screen would be a better option

[solar berry]

Let the agent believe

[thin olive]

Yes, weapon dmg. So crit is pointless,
Od gives it 50%. and status works with vile.
the HP can be triggered with any a sticky, and can maintain it with the bleed afterwards.

[warm knot]

I run 3 weapons depending on the situation. Scorpio/acr-e and gr9.

[thin olive]

Triple Dot is a quite good.

[proven merlin]

I disagree, i think everyone needs to use virtuoso with a shotgun

😎

[jaunty nexus]

i think i’m lost

[thin olive]

We already are.

[proven merlin]

yeah, all 3 of you

[thin olive]

2.. one of us went went back to striker..

[proven merlin]

treasonous

[solar berry]

Striker is the best

[warm knot]

If you care about the tick, ai can deal 1m with pesty per tick at 50 chc with a proper build (needs optimization tho).

[hexed steppe]

currently seizing

[warm knot]

Btw the pesty tick is just a bonus, not the main goal of pesty builds

[thin olive]

It's not about just about 1 tick.. It's about triple tick.

[warm knot]

suffer

[solar berry]

I kinda see what he means. In a way. Many different tick from many sources. Like bleed and pesti ticks on one enemy, Set of just pesti tick.

[thin olive]

Is it the best build in game ? No.
Is it fun top play ? Yes.
Can it do legendary in a reasonable time ? Yes.

[hexed steppe]

tbh with the triple tick setup, i would just look at all the ticks added up, compared to running pesti ticks in an optimized highend. then take account of the actual weapon damage in both setups...

sometimes vile ticks are real low without a couple amps

[proven merlin]

i watched a pesti build video and all i thought was "how are people doing legendary with this in a reasonable amount of time?"

[hexed steppe]

which is why vile is never run on cc eclipse

[thin olive]

I mean its not a build to speed run things.
Oxidiser or HF regulus is there for that.
It's a fun triple bleed build, Where "Crit" has no effect on it.
That's why DTA is better for pesti

[proven merlin]

with titles like "this build kills master" im thinking they know its mid and just want people to run absurd builds

[warm knot]

Btw I gotta ask, since I only have a chd**/handling backbone, should I change the chest to ceska?

Coyotes
Grupo
3x lengmo (backbone)
Contractors.

I'm at 50chc with 1 6% chd mod and 2 12%chd. 🤔

[thin olive]

This build has 99999 armor and does 999999 damage in pvp and pve !

Tho you shoud check out triple bleed pesti

[proven merlin]

i dont want to sit in cover for 15 years while i wait for SE to kick in

[thin olive]

Nah, that's every striker main.

[proven merlin]

thats honestly true

i feel like the only mf that runs around

[thin olive]

They either in cover and shoot for 3 sec, Or they on the floor looking for better builds.

[thin olive]

I'll get so much hate for that comment.

[proven merlin]

i just use st elmos for the free shock ammo

its like just point and click for 20 secs and boom shock ammo to stun ai

[thin olive]

I've been using it on eclipse lately .

[proven merlin]

i want to make an eclipse build but i also dont

[thin olive]

Wish the passive from Everlasting gaze kept even after swaping guns.

[proven merlin]

idk anything that isnt point and click dps or immortal shield is too out of my skill level

[thin olive]

The only true immortal shield build got nerfed. Blue hardwire with shield/revive

It no longer works.

[proven merlin]

i just run liberty/ bulwark, works like a charm if you have more than 3 brain cells

[thin olive]

Selfish version with foundery chest /back . catharsis and mother lover , artificer?

[proven merlin]

nah i just use tardi and foundry back

[thin olive]

i mean liberty you know...

Mosquito is nice to have a on a tank that does 0 dmg anyway

at leat you can pretend to be a decoy.

[thin olive]

Have you tried pointman + lavoiser ?

[proven merlin]

mosquito dont heal my shield while i pretend to do dmg

[proven merlin]

have not

[thin olive]

You dont need to if you use artificer, 86.2% every 7 sec.

[proven merlin]

i just run revive hive since half my teammates die in bad spots anyway

liberty works just fine for me

[thin olive]

And that's all that matters.

[thin olive]

With 2.1 mill armor you can make your less then useful strikers peek out of cover, Since you can permanently give them 2.1 mill bonus armor.

[proven merlin]

plus id need to swap to tactician for arti hive and i cba to do that since flamethower one burns people who destroy my armour

[thin olive]

perfect galvanize gives 1.1 every 10 sec.
between banshee pulse and scorpio you can refresh it on the dot.

And pointman is every 45.

[proven merlin]

too much going on

liberty is just look at their head, click, boom full health

[thin olive]

Its quite fun tho, Instead of having 1 tank 3 dps. you have 1 tank and 3 tank dps

They end up with more armore then you

[proven merlin]

true but then i cant just stand in front of a minigun jug and laugh at him

i'd actually need to do something

[thin olive]

yes you can, poitnman gives you shield invulnerability.

[proven merlin]

is that the one with perf vanguard

[thin olive]

Yes.

[proven merlin]

idk about 5 sec invulnerable

[thin olive]

Hey man.. 5 sec is a lot.. just ask any girl.

[proven merlin]

cd is 20 sec

20 sec too much imo

[thin olive]

anw im off to do the same content over and over again

[shy willow]

Mosquito isn't for doing damage it's for support

[proven merlin]

i know