td2-build-advice

[worn mango]

Was just about to say, but was also going to ask why specifically an LMG

[magic pilot]

This with carnage^ it's by far my most used lmg build. 3 lengmo pestilence is good but doesn't work well with 5 directive

For legendary I would go striker/pesti or lengmo pesti

Something like this

[wild helm]

I just love the huge mags and going brrrrrt without reloading.

[tepid trout]

Yikes

[magic pilot]

Why are we yikes-ing

[tepid trout]

Dw abt it

[magic pilot]

I'm scared 😨

[supple storm]

How much armor does this have if you dont mind me asking?

[versed summit]

Like 2.1 or something

[supple storm]

Yea im almost done building it

i already have 2.0 mil

[lavish flare]

Grown great a viable SMG for pvp?

Just got a perfect one n wondering

[onyx sage]

no

[lavish flare]

Just no? 🤣

Not even a sometimes?

[vestal ibex]

Is grown great worth useing ever at all in this game-no

[lavish flare]

Damn

[hazy steeple]

Named Items in div2 are only as good as their Talent, so if the Talent is pants; so is the item.
+Acc&Stab are not exactly bad stats to buff up, but they aren't a Damage Talent, and not as good a QoL as a simple Reload boost.
so tl;dr Grown Great is just kinda whatever, plus it's on the tommy-gun.

[lavish flare]

Do people not like the tommy gun?

[onyx sage]

you gotta think like this, in pvp you just use the best stuff available because everyone is going to do that

[hazy steeple]

If you use it, people will assume you own several fedoras'.
Sorry, I don't make the rules.

[onyx sage]

the tommy gun is some of the worst performing guns rn

[lavish flare]

Is there a spreadsheet for gun performance etc?

[hazy steeple]

The spreadsheet has some of the PvP meta stuff on it, and all weapon stats in general.

as for the rest: you're best off asking over in #td2-pvp-discussions

[lavish flare]

Fair

[noble kettle]

What you need in your life, if you love EB and playing on your own

Gold builds are difficult to use unless you are the sweatiest boys alive or playing in a team with synergy and/or cheese 🧀

Also, the easiest to make!

[placid latch]

I don't know why but Tommy Gun with his spread and low acuraty doesn't deal the amount you could hope out of it

At close range, Vector is way better and at mid rang either LMG or AR are better

[lavish flare]

Makes sense

[magic pilot]

go full headshot bro you can do it

[hazy steeple]

Unless I'm misremembering, the Tommy Gun also has the issue of missing mod slots.

[noble kettle]

I have a Bighorn and HB version of this too

I like the HS version with EB but keeping stacks high with HS only on striker is V difficult with good players. That and the DOT vs Crit for the EB isn’t worth using the headshot only for strikers in PvP.

Okay for fighting your average PVE players trying to farm or PvP

Gold headshot EB builds are much better IMO and in practice, utilising raw damage over stacks (for PVP only)

[placid latch]

I also forgot about that point

[wind birch]

Can anyone show me their loadouts/builds for turrets and drones please?

[cerulean smelt]

did you check the pins in the upper right hand corner?

https://lite.evernote.com/note/a7081cdc-b5c5-7677-e166-b27ea3b2f6f8

[wind birch]

Thank you!

[hazy harbor]

I’m doing an eclipse protocol build focused on status effects, mostly just for fun, I’m currently using the Scorpio as my primary but don’t really like shotguns. Is there a good Rifle, AR, or SMG I could substitute?

[placid latch]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?gid=1380412817#gid=1380412817

from memory, there is an eclipse build

[versed summit]

What skills are you using?

[placid latch]

https://lite.evernote.com/note/8f1fc875-172a-9331-f92e-fe314f1772f5

By @urban latch

Thx to him

[cerulean smelt]

not sure if we'd be able to do that 1 kill with Mechanical Animal or other weapon with Future Perfect on it could make things a bit interesting

though, not sure if an OC status effect build would work well in general

[hazy harbor]

Seeker mine and shield

[versed summit]

Uh don’t use those

[cerulean smelt]

when i run my EP build i go fire sticky and chem launcher

[hazy harbor]

Good to know, so if I switch to sticky and chem does that change which primary to use?

[versed summit]

Test subject could be good

An in sync weapon basically

[cerulean smelt]

nods even harmony will be good?

[versed summit]

Shotguns are best in slot for fire eclipse tho fyi

[hazy harbor]

Alright thanks for the advice, I’ll switch up those skills and try out those suggestions 👍🏼

[dreamy valve]

hmm I might look into red core eclipse

[cerulean smelt]

not sure if the status effects would increase say Scorpio's shots

[dreamy valve]

it wouldn't if I recall

it would just help Vile spread

[versed summit]

iKia made one. It sucks

[cerulean smelt]

ah, thought maybe you were thinking that would increase the statuses and then spread it XD

[versed summit]

Does not

[dreamy valve]

I'll try it again with the upcoming season

[versed summit]

How?

[dreamy valve]

it procs vile thats all

[cerulean smelt]

think i might've tried it once before the scorpio nerf and it just didn't do enough or last long enough to spread much so i gave up on it

[dreamy valve]

Scorpio is in the past now

hmm actually maybe also red core hard wired

5 second pulse refresh

Microwave Coils and Reaper Scan would benefit alot

[shy willow]

Scorpio is still great for on demand status effects

Never been good for spreading via eclipse

[cerulean smelt]

for me it was just hopeful thinking XD spread the poison, confuse, shock and vile all at once XD

[hexed steppe]

Scorpio good on foam eclipse builds. If you want a damage eclipse build use fire sticky and chem launcher and capacitor.
Cap has a native 12% damage to armor roll that boosts fire. Your build will already be stacked with status effects, but fire can double dip from skill damage and status effects.
Cap stacks an easy 60% skill damage. Just make sure you are stacking the skilldamage before using either skill. Really strong burn will rip through a lot

Or rather, melt a lot

[cerulean smelt]

if you want infinite chem launcher though. use Tsunami or Enforcer Named shotguns with perfect pummel. 2 kills refills the chem launcher if you have it in your hand

[hazy harbor]

Cool, I’ll have to try that out. Thanks for the advice!

[cerulean smelt]

i watched a video where a guy was just launching chem launcher after chem launcher. i scratched me head thinking is this an exploit? hack? then i saw the pummel icon and wasl ike wait that works for chem launcher?

[hexed steppe]

Scorpio great for procing opportunistic on cc builds. I would never use it on damage version or with vile. Just drags the damage type of build

[shy willow]

Was it thinking in terms of od but yeah would rather run cap on fire version

[hexed steppe]

Blue core or no core

[cerulean smelt]

i forget if it was here or another server. heard OD/Pestilence is rather fun

[shy willow]

The triple tick😈

[hexed steppe]

Od would be a bit better yeah, but chances are itll be stacked like a cc build anyways

[hexed steppe]

Does punnel need to be in hand when you swap to the chem, or is it sufficient to swap to pummel weapon after fire is burning?
If it second option you could cap stack to get the higher fire tick, then swap to pummel for the refill. Double benefit maybe?

[cerulean smelt]

no clue honestly, i just know you have to swap to chem after you held the pummel weapon

[hexed steppe]

Looks like its gonna be some range testing tonight 😅

[cerulean smelt]

i'd test it myself but i'm slow at swapping from cap, to shotgun to chem launcher and not sure i'd do that well in the first place anyways XD

[hexed steppe]

No worries

[cerulean smelt]

but i think i can try it now anyways

[shy willow]

Need to have the pummel weapon out

Once you put the chem away I believe it resets the counter to 0

[hexed steppe]

Before first shot, right

[shy willow]

Ye

[hexed steppe]

So much for getting mega burn with infinite application 😎

[cerulean smelt]

so what localdeck was hoping was getting cap stacks, shoot chem, swap to pummel weapon then back to chem launcher?

[hexed steppe]

That would be so broken tho. At least the pummel weapon can have the same 12%dta

[shy willow]

You could do that actually

[onyx sage]

well you don't keep capacitor stacks after swapping away

[shy willow]

Except cap stacks go away

[hexed steppe]

Fire tick once applied will hold the higher level

[onyx sage]

yeah but just that one

[shy willow]

Ultra min max chems

[hexed steppe]

Spread ticks will be higher, but yeah, future shots at non cap levels

Too bad tho. It would be nice

[near mason]

Status effect build someone?

Need to do scout 7 activity 1 where I need to put status effects on 10 enemies

But shock isn't working with the Elmo's gun

[hexed steppe]

Run around with scorpio as secondary

[shy willow]

https://lite.evernote.com/note/8f1fc875-172a-9331-f92e-fe314f1772f5

[near mason]

I tried that too

[hexed steppe]

Or hunters fury... or both

[near mason]

Isn't working

[subtle bluff]

Or just emp/banshee pulse

[merry basalt]

Any advice on a full healer build for a 4 stack in pvp?

[shy willow]

Are you in the right area

[near mason]

I can try this

[merry basalt]

Go full skill repair I assume?

[near mason]

In constitution hall right?

[hexed steppe]

Look at the enemy type and range. Ss and post if possible

[cerulean smelt]

damn you @hexed steppe i usually hate cap XD

[subtle bluff]

PvP is very different build.

[hexed steppe]

Glad I could complicate things for ya

[merry basalt]

Well i wanna spec into full healer, no dps. Keep my team alive while they run armor regeneration builds

[cerulean smelt]

so without cap my ticks are like 280kish. put on cap stacks and it's 405kish

[hexed steppe]

Counter productive. Good regen build doesnt need a healer

[merry basalt]

Doesn't need a healer when a whole server is targeting you at once

Yeah try that then

[shy willow]

Regen builds can survive that lol

They're extremely busted with basically no counter if you also have a hazpro setup

[merry basalt]

Not when they throw seekers and stingers to inflict bleed

Haz pro i know i know

[hexed steppe]

Yup ita a big jump. If running retribution it also stacks up a lot of chc and gets decent damage for skillbuild

[subtle bluff]

Skill base builds in PvP aren't easy to play first off.

[magic pilot]

Regen is one of the best builds in PvP you don't need a healer for it

It's made to fight servers

[hexed steppe]

Oh, pvp. Mb disregard

[merry basalt]

Yeah, ppl wanna say that but when a 4 stack is getting swarmed by a whole server armor regeneration is out of the question when they are all targeting you at once 💀

I've seen it happen myself

[cerulean smelt]

so your idea might work though, but i'd say you'd have to be really good at. cap stacking, shooting chem setting them on fire, swap to pummel weapon, back to chem launcher before they die

[subtle bluff]

Healing isn't the answer for PvP.

[shy willow]

You'd be surprised how long people can stay up with everyday carrier and like 3 percent regen with cath

[merry basalt]

Also who needs a dj antrax posted me djing

[shy willow]

Along with a gun that will kill you insanely fast

[cerulean smelt]

the ticks continue with the cap stacks after that point so your infinite boosted chem launcher idea might be a thing @hexed steppe

[subtle bluff]

Idk about a whole server maybe 2 squads and zerging back in.

[hexed steppe]

Do new shots hold it tho. That's the wall dien put in front of me

[shy willow]

Anyway healers are good in PvP but need a weirder setup and not needed for builds as tanky as regen

[cerulean smelt]

nah, think after you used cap stacks for the first initial chem launcher it goes poof, then you gotta go back to cap and get the stacks again for the next shot

[subtle bluff]

Like in conflict I can see it but DZ Idk... But if nothing just like in conflict a team comp that can synergize will always do better than random stuff.

[hexed steppe]

Infinite chems should cover the gap anyways.

What's an extra chem or 2 when they free

[tame crane]

Whats a good substitute for Yaahl gloves? Doing a "budget" Bighorn Regen build as my first PvP build, Going for Catharsis, Everyday Carrier belstone chest and 3pc Gila, needed Yaahl gloves but realised they are DZ Exclusive, so yeah.

[shy willow]

Its good if your team plays around each other with all the buffs

[cerulean smelt]

though if you wanted to. build cap, shoot chem and set on fire for the first tick to continue the cap stack damage, swap to pummel weapon, back to chem before the first 2-3 deaths to refill your chem launcher, swap back to cap and build up stacks the whole thing could work for infinite boosted chem launcher thing you're wondering about?

[candid depot]

how can i make this build better? I want to not use ninjabike, but keep the ammount of damage.

[hexed steppe]

Drop ninja. Commit to a gearset

[candid depot]

OK

[hexed steppe]

You can do a headshot type if using 1886 primarily with chainkiller. Highend it aces

For diamond back main you might try nego

Would want determined on 1886 hs build

[candid depot]

ok, ill try that

[hexed steppe]

Diamond dilemma should be in the sheet pinned in this channel 📌

A lot of solid builds of all types if you need some inspiration 😉

[merry basalt]

dedicated healer build just needing the replace the reds to skill haste still looking for em

using a little dps to fend for myself if i need to

oh i run capacitor not test subject idk why thats on there

[shy willow]

You're better off running empathic and FI

[merry basalt]

pvp

[shy willow]

Can keep ninja

[merry basalt]

not pve

[shy willow]

If I was talking pve id have said FI w/chest😭

[cerulean smelt]

think it'll counter the many refactor pvp builds in 5 days?

well, 5+ days?

[shy willow]

I doubt refactor will be too crazy with only one attribute

[subtle bluff]

God.... Don't remind of this. Last night I had do RMM for a 4th incursion. Don't even ask the first build he had in. I ask for dps he put one NBB 3pc striker chest and 2 HF......

[cerulean smelt]

i know, but i'm sure someone out there will make something with it PvP wise and it'll wreck for awhile

[shy willow]

Mortar would be pretty funny

[magic pilot]

im in a raid rn but ill send my pvp healers

obliterate is completely useless here though

[merry basalt]

im aware im needing another chest

[magic pilot]

@merry basalt

[merry basalt]

ill look into em

[magic pilot]

second one is super tanky, first one has better heals and FI bonus

@merry basalt cav super good too. can swap in everyday carry for group heals

[forest trail]

Just came back to the game

Are the builds from tu15 still good

[hazy steeple]

@forest trail The ones that are listed in the spreadsheet (📌 pinned in this channel), and updated to Year 6, Season 2, will work fine.
Not all old ones will, although some might still.

[forest trail]

Hi rivens

[forest trail]

Isee
Well it seems the regulus didn't change
(i also made that exact build before it was in the guide lmaooo)

[hexed steppe]

for the most part, yeah. focus shield meta red isnt so good now. aces and eights takes a backseat to hotshot , which is a lot more powerful. regular highend red/nego/striker/heartbreaker all solid for the most part

[forest trail]

Yeah makes sense
Thank you

What changed to shields

[hexed steppe]

focus took a nerf. also cant shield peak iirc. depending on how long you were gone, you may or may not know about shields applying disorient to you on shield break, also in sync cant be procced by shield anymore

[forest trail]

How big is the nerf for perfect focus
Is it worth using on nd build?

[hexed steppe]

i would just glass tbh

[forest trail]

Also no shield peek???????
AND DISORIENTED???? WASN'T THAT A PVP ONLY CHANGE?????

[forest trail]

I use nd to carry people so it's a tad bit safer to use perfect focus

But thank you for the info
Tragic on the focus nerf and shield disorient
What is the best ar now
It used to be famas and the black one

Is there any crazy new exotic ar

[hexed steppe]

famas still solid. police m4, elmo exotic ar . the weapons tab in the sheet should be up to date and give raw dps numbers for comparison

elmo and strega both pretty good, but neither are tippy top. eagle burger and bighorn are buffed iirc. there was a lot of balancing and buffing of different items. patch notes are a solid read if you want to get a full breakdown of all the changes

[forest trail]

Isee isee

[verbal helm]

What’s the best way for me to grind emperors guard knee pads

[patent fossil]

DZ when target loot is murikami or kneepads, or buy named caches, or grind descent until you get the blueprint, or just keep an eye on DZ and countdown vendors and hope they sell it

[strong cave]

EB got a damage nerf but a mod buff. But technically wasn't the nerf moot bc p416 got a base damage buff? 😂

[sullen sun]

Thoughts?

[bright raptor]

looks good, landing the Orbit headshot kill as an opener ought to be pretty spectacular with the Finisher bonus

[vestal ibex]

What's your goal with this? Just a normal nego build with a DCH shot every once in a while?

[magic pilot]

That's pretty solid

Can't go wrong with DCH

[vestal ibex]

I mean they could run rav and ping some armor crits for 300-500 hundred mil if they run achilles too.

[magic pilot]

True

[soft apex]

What's a good tank build?

Just in general?

[placid latch]

a moving decoy that doesn't stop your bullet if he is good

[soft apex]

I meant pieces man

[placid latch]

In the spreadsheet, there is 3 tanks builds

[fresh fox]

are you doing raids

outside of those few instances in raids tanks are fairly useless

[placid latch]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?usp=sharing

[soft apex]

Everyone always uses the spreadsheet BUT I CANT USE IT

Cause the entire thing is massive on my phone dude it's like asking me to read through the numbers nasa used to launch men to the moon

[placid latch]

https://lite.evernote.com/note/a5cc1f3a-c1af-4063-abc8-a78c2702f04a

you should be able to read this page

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcNJNujP878

else a video youtube

[soft apex]

Ah ok

I mean I am trying to do dark hours but I meant a tank build I could just use. I don't see why a build where your effectively impossible to kill is useless. But then again I've noticed a common thread with a lot of people. If it doesn't give big damage it's not very useful in base game.

[shy willow]

being impossible to kill comes with the trade off of it being impossible to kill anything

[fresh fox]

because having a tank adds nothing to the team other than making it harder for your team to kill stuff through group scaling

[shy willow]

slows you down immensely in solo play and makes you dead weight in groups

[soft apex]

And dying in 3 seconds on anything higher than challenging is just a fun time?

[worn mango]

Skill issue

[shy willow]

simply dont die

[soft apex]

Say that when being rushed by 4 white tusk juggernauts.

[placid latch]

There is a fairly tanky build based around Scorpio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPpYzIMMofE

[fresh fox]

healer builds are different because those actually buff the team

[fresh fox]

very easy 😃

[shy willow]

there are support tank setups but theyre very niche

[placid latch]

Not as good as used to be since scorpio nerf

[shy willow]

shoot the ammo belts lol

[placid latch]

but should pretty good overall

[worn mango]

Is the reload getting buffed again or is Scorpio not changing?

[patent fossil]

There are ways to clear legendary strongholds solo with all red builds, it's about positioning. Check dien.aka.kim on YouTube for demonstrations

[fresh fox]

truth nuke

[soft apex]

Ruthless is a horrible exotic yes?

[worn mango]

nuke vs coughing white tusk

[fresh fox]

yes

[placid latch]

it is

tried to do something about it since I loved the weapon

[soft apex]

I tried fighting a white tusk tank using a strikers build. It didn't go well.

[placid latch]

I got something okayish

[soft apex]

Although my expertise level isn't very high so that might be why I didn't do very much damage.

[placid latch]

but subpart comparing to any good build on the spreadsheet

[shy willow]

chungas are some of the least dangerous realistically

the mini tanks are what get you

[placid latch]

agreed

[shy willow]

expertise is basically meaningless in pve

[soft apex]

Minigun vs 800k armor who wins? (It's not my armor.)

[placid latch]

that drone and grenade too

[fresh fox]

are you shooting their ammo belts?

[shy willow]

like i said shoot the belt

[fresh fox]

they are useless when you do that

[placid latch]

my Hot shot build

[soft apex]

I physically can't peek for more than 2 seconds without being shot in the face

[onyx sage]

or you know, peek the right way

stick to tall cover only, peek without going all the way to the edge of the cover

[placid latch]

I got around 800k armor since I'm all red and I'm finishing painstakly legendary

[fresh fox]

tanking with one shot protection 🤑🤑🤑

[onyx sage]

if people can do it, it can be done

[shy willow]

best tank

[soft apex]

Isn't that how sweat pvpers broke the cover system to the point in both games where the devs forced it so that no matter what a portion of your body sticks out?

[onyx sage]

it works

[soft apex]

In PvE I'm sure. I think it stopped being useful in PvP tho. Good thing I don't do the second thing

[onyx sage]

in both games, it still works

but no this isn't even the pvp peeking

[fresh fox]

just swing them in pvp #GG

[onyx sage]

you're actually hugging cover

[fresh fox]

swing or get swung

[onyx sage]

just peek but make sure you're not at the edge of the tall cover and your hitbox won't be exposed

[shy willow]

tom clancys the rainbow division 6

[onyx sage]

resident division evil 4

[soft apex]

So then what's a good damage build. I already know about strikers.

Is there any other contenders or is it just strikers?

[fresh fox]

strikers

[shy willow]

Nego

[fresh fox]

headhunter builds as well

[onyx sage]

for most legendary encounters it's really just striker

[soft apex]

They seriously need to buff some other options.

It's basically just strikers or nothing and that's just........so boring.

[shy willow]

other options are great too

[placid latch]

Actually any build in the spreadsheet should be able to finish Legendary

[onyx sage]

nego is always there and has been there before striker got buffed

[soft apex]

Negotiators dilemma?

[onyx sage]

yes

[soft apex]

What's that do again?

[placid latch]

the most important things is positioning

[onyx sage]

spreads crit damage to 2 other targets

[soft apex]

I like crit damage :0

Oh cool I cracked level 700

[onyx sage]

but yeah due to how it's designed you want crit damage as the main damage source

referring to legendary

[soft apex]

So just get negotiator's dilemma?

[onyx sage]

so if you have anything that synergizes with crit (like striker, nego) it works just fine in legendary

the rest is just skill and experience, but these play a bigger part in legendary

nego won't magically solve your legendary problems

[shy willow]

can confirm i have meta builds and best i can do is heroic 5d

[soft apex]

I mean I have no idea how this system works. I'm just trying to find what works. But I like crit damage

[onyx sage]

can you post what you have for striker first?

that way we can know if the build is the problem first

[soft apex]

I got pulled into a countdown. It's mostly headshot and crit damage modifiers that I added onto the pieces.

I'll double check tho

[onyx sage]

remove all the headshot ones and replace with crit chance or damage

[soft apex]

If I have them

Ok did it

[onyx sage]

can you post the build overview pic?

and then your crit ratio

[soft apex]

How do I even get that to show up

[onyx sage]

just press inventory for the overview

and then there should be a stats tab for the crit ratio

[soft apex]

This?

[onyx sage]

yeah that's the stats screen

now i need your overview

[shy willow]

at a glance theres a weird amount of yellow and blue

[soft apex]

This?

[shy willow]

ah so it is the build

[magic pilot]

No ninja?

[soft apex]

Why would I wear ninja

[onyx sage]

okay so the build is the problem

[magic pilot]

Ignore me, I'm messing with the build experts

[vestal ibex]

It's his first venture into the build advice, don't flame this man.

[magic pilot]

I'm being good!

[onyx sage]

you mentioned you weren't able to understand the striker guide, what part about it is confusing?

[magic pilot]

You are on the right track

[soft apex]

What do you mean?

[onyx sage]

this message, i misremembered but it was about the spreadsheet

this is the guide i referred to: https://lite.evernote.com/note/0ee25268-ad51-0dd8-be36-f12373c7630a

[magic pilot]

^

[soft apex]

Yeah the issue is that it's literally big.

As in like 1 word takes up nearly my entire screen. If I had a PC it would be no issue but I do not

[magic pilot]

Are you opening it on google sheets?

[soft apex]

I have no idea. I'm opening it on whatever browser it's from

[onyx sage]

the numbers mason?

[magic pilot]

Yea, you should download google sheets

[soft apex]

What do they mean?!

[magic pilot]

St Elmo 🤮

[soft apex]

I hope they make an LVOA rifle exotic in the future but I don't see it

[onyx sage]

sir, not everyone is privileged to have the 🅱️exington

[shy willow]

aye blame the spreadsheeters i run lex

[prime hare]

Hey, what did the St Elmo do?

It's a good gun

[vestal ibex]

Elmo is a good gun especially for new players.

[prime hare]

Yes, it's my go too! Reliable, accurate, and lots of boolets!

[soft apex]

Ok so get strikers pieces with all red?

Or new strikers pieces I switch out the blue or yellow with red?

[shy willow]

with crit attributes yes

[shy willow]

this is the basic template

[vestal ibex]

Well you don't need crit attributes on the items, you can roll them on.

For the striker parts.

[soft apex]

What's the chest piece?

[shy willow]

ceska

obliterate talent

[soft apex]

Ok

I will not being using the mask though

[onyx sage]

you don't have it?

[soft apex]

Not anymore

Turned them all in to the expertise tab cause I hate that's stupid green smoke

[magic pilot]

Oh god

That hurts my soul

You can turn off the green smoke

[prime hare]

It's one of the best masks tho

[shy willow]

bruh

decon exotics you dont need never donate them its a waste

[vestal ibex]

It might be BIS but it's not the end of the world.

[shy willow]

besides coyote is one of the good exotics

[prime hare]

Wait, how?

[soft apex]

How's this?

[bold leaf]

Deconstruct it

[shy willow]

dont run more than 4 pieces of a gear set

[soft apex]

I didn't have any red bags

[shy willow]

its useless with less or more than 4

[soft apex]

I don't have any other names items besides Eagles grasp and the Gift tho :[

[shy willow]

nd chest is fairly useless so better off with a high end chest

[shy willow]

you dont need named or exotic gear

[soft apex]

It goes from 3 to 5. That's useless?

[magic pilot]

No lol

[shy willow]

its only good if the talent and brand matches the build

[magic pilot]

Just turn off show mask in the menu

[shy willow]

yes

[prime hare]

Thanks!

[soft apex]

Dang It but all these talents suck

[bold leaf]

Being able to tag 2 extra targets is not worth it over the damage talents you get on high end chest pieces

[soft apex]

That's the issue I don't have any damage talents

[shy willow]

obliterate and glass cannon are very popular for damage

[soft apex]

Yeah cause I sure love taking more damage than the damage buff I'd get

[vestal ibex]

^

[shy willow]

then just use oblit lol

[vestal ibex]

PGC goated

[soft apex]

I don't have obliterate

[shy willow]

glass cannon is risk reward same as all red

[soft apex]

I so

[shy willow]

farm it

[soft apex]

Never mind. I forgot I can switch out talents

[bold leaf]

I love PGC but omg lately I’ve been getting shredded even on Normal and Hard. I can’t do it anymore

[soft apex]

But then I wouldn't be able to switch out the blue attribute.

It's got crit chance already on it plus armor regen

[shy willow]

need a chest which has 2/3 correct rolls

[soft apex]

It's got weapon damage, crit chance, armor regen, and glass cannon.

[shy willow]

roll regen off for crit damage and its golden

pgc is also very good if you run the gift or a prov bag

[soft apex]

Here's what I have now

Can you stack crit chance mods on an armor piece with crit chance on it or do they just cancel each other out?

[shy willow]

its much better

[soft apex]

This is my stats overview now

[shy willow]

you can have crit chance mods on crit chance gear but itll make you overcap generally

[soft apex]

Hmmm worth

I'll keep an eye out for strikers pieces so I can give them crit chance and damage too.

[hazy steeple]

A couple runs of Countdown will get you a workable Heroic-quality setup.

[soft apex]

So go for strikers now and then do the same thing I just did?

[hazy steeple]

Basically, the end goal here is to refine the build until it's "perfect".
(and also make sure you account for the crit stats from the SHD Watch)

[soft apex]

Is weapon handling a good thing too?

[worn mango]

If it's taking crit chance or crit damage, no. If it's something passive you're getting, it doesn't hurt

[shy willow]

not at the cost of crit

[hazy steeple]

1% of WH is 1% each Stability (vertical kick) accuracy (reticule bloom), reload, and swap-speed.
It's a great stat once your crit is capped out.

[soft apex]

I was asking moreso as a passive

[shy willow]

as an added bonus its helpful

[soft apex]

My crit damage is 112% is that too much?

[shy willow]

on an ND setup its actually pretty low

[hazy steeple]

Oh and one big thing that a lot of newer players make the mistake of: make sure the Ceska Chest has it's Talent as the recal stat.
that way you can mess around with weird builds down the line, and it can be used across multiple setups.

[soft apex]

I don't have a ceska chest

[hazy steeple]

You should for the Striker setup, it's the best option.

[soft apex]

I don't have one but I'll get one

Some countdown farming while waiting to see if I can ever find a group to do dark hours with will give me time.

[hazy steeple]

It'll be useful in a lot of builds, it's very much a "work-horse" piece.

Unfortunately, since the removal of the VC's on this server, the GCrock server is now a better option for teaching newbies how to Raid.

[soft apex]

Yeah I know I'm in it

[hazy steeple]

Community is decent, but we're still a distant 3rd.

[soft apex]

Everyone's doing iron horse

[hazy steeple]

Regulus is stupidly strong still, it's very much the best overall Raid gun.

[shy willow]

usually its the opposite

[vestal ibex]

Go do the metallic equestrian

[shy willow]

dark hours seems to be more popular

[hazy steeple]

DH is basically just a DPS-check, it can be done fairly simply.
IH requires more coordination.

[onyx sage]

i want to do dim equestrian by katy perry

[hazy steeple]

Steel Minutes is way trickier.

[soft apex]

I already did iron horse once

[hazy steeple]

You need to run it again, to do the Regulus Project.

100% worth getting that hand cannon.

[soft apex]

I know but I don't care about the regulus

[vestal ibex]

The regulus cares about you.

Plus who doesn't want a rat gun.

[soft apex]

Me

I want the other two rarer guns

[hazy steeple]

Lex and the Australian?

[vestal ibex]

The worse ones?

[soft apex]

Yes

Cause their easier to get and I've already got the two projects for Regulus. So I can grab those before finishing the farming stuff

[hazy steeple]

Just ask the team when you join either Raid, you'll get one in a few runs.

[soft apex]

AUUGHHH this crit damage is wondrous I just see orange numbers

I bet it gets better once I have a proper strikers

I just shredded 3 hunters in countdown

Crit damage go crazy

Is anarchists cookbook a good bag?

[onyx sage]

nah

[soft apex]

It

It somehow got worse than when I was using negotiators.

I'll have to farm and max out these bonuses

[versed flame]

Change your vest and gloves

[soft apex]

Ok

To what though?

[versed flame]

Czech vest,Mercenary gloves

[soft apex]

How do I get mercenary gloves

[soft apex]

You have it set on strikers

So just set it to gloves?

[versed flame]

The countdown

[soft apex]

I know the countdown that's how I got my stuff

[versed flame]

brand -Petrov,and farm

[soft apex]

I'll start with ceska

Then do petrov

Farm time

[patent fossil]

contractors' gloves is the english name for them

[soft apex]

Carpenter

[versed flame]

I'm sorry)I got too used to my translation)

[vestal ibex]

Foxes would be a better fit unless you use an LMG typically cause not everything has armor.

[patent fossil]

I assume contractor's is being recommended because Nego double-dips from DTA

oh wait, that's striker, nvm then

[urban latch]

That's nego, but I'd still recommend stacking more crit instead of contractors in most cases

[vestal ibex]

The only time contractors/foxes is better and only by a tiny bit is very high expertise on weapons, and by tiny bit I mean like a tenth of a percent or so. Better to have that CHC for a secondary most the time.

This is for PVE red builds that are very min/maxed btw.

[soft apex]

So do I switch my gloves or no?

[vestal ibex]

It's things for you to consider/take in and make changes according to how you want your build to be.

[soft apex]

Wait a second

I have The Gift. It's providence defense. If I equip that plus a providence chest piece I get extra crit chance

The talent also gives me an extra 25% weapon damage

[vestal ibex]

Vigi strikers isn't bad but it's downside is if vigi goes away it's way worse.

Again more things to consider for your build.

[soft apex]

Vigil?

Oh vigilance

[vestal ibex]

Am lazy

[soft apex]

Hmm that's true it would be a major trade off

And what does contractor gloves do?

[vestal ibex]

Damage to armor which is strong enough to have a wasted brand in some cases.

[soft apex]

Huh ok. And it's a petrov defense right?

[bold leaf]

Yes

[vestal ibex]

Yeah which is LMG damage.

[soft apex]

Oh yeah that would be useless for me

[vestal ibex]

This is why so many say just go ceska/grupo or ceska/coyotes mask.

[soft apex]

What's grupo?

[vestal ibex]

CHD

[soft apex]

What?

[vestal ibex]

crit hit damage

[bold leaf]

Grupo Sombra brand with Crit Damage as its 1pc bonus

[soft apex]

OHHHHH

I'll just get grupo then

[hazy steeple]

CHC = crit chance, CHD = crit damage.
It's worth remembering those 2 shorthands.

[soft apex]

Ok. I mean yeah my builds focused on them

[vestal ibex]

Just remeber the CHC cap is 60%

[worn mango]

This is why you keep Ceska pieces with the ability lol

[soft apex]

Ok I'll remember that

[worn mango]

Grupo, Ceska, Fenris, Sokolov is all good gear to keep around if you get double crit rolls

On non ability pieces you can re-roll core, on backpack and chest you can reroll ability

[urban latch]

Its "Total weapon damage" which without going into the weeds is separate from "weapon damage" and makes it stronger than if it was just weapon damage

[soft apex]

Got the gloves

How i do raise the proficiency level on an item? I forgot

[worn mango]

Either use it or donate materials to it

[soft apex]

No I mean like the item itself. When it has that star badge thing and I can raise it's expertise rank up so it gives bonus armor or damage?

I forgot how to do it

[bold leaf]

Use the Expertise menu in the Tinkering Station

[soft apex]

Thanks

[bold leaf]

Generally don't bother with upgrading armour. But if you insist, cap it at 12 so you don't waste exotic components

[soft apex]

I'm not really building exotics either way

[bold leaf]

Oh and confusingly named items and brand sets are kept apart in the menu - e.g. The Gift isn't in the same section as Providence

[soft apex]

I know

Heh there's a bag named the courier

[vestal ibex]

Courier is BIS for the CC EP build.

[hexed steppe]

Nah, setup perfect opp better.. if team isnt spreading your cc you should be on dps 💯

[versed summit]

The fact that it helps you foam across door spawns is pretty useful

I’d say ideally you’re hot swapping though

[vestal ibex]

If I'm on a CC build, Ima CC.

[onyx sage]

when the CC kills your HH stack

[hexed steppe]

Courier viable. Not bis tho. It's not proc 100% of the time. Cc builds are about buffing team as much as they are about sticking things in place.
This is the reason you'll be running survivalist/scorpio/possibly sledge... opp is just another stacked on top. The extra kill power is way more useful than* intermittent big foam shots. Also passing door thresholds is irrelevant. Kills spread foam. If they dont take it in a door, they are still easy pickings since team is spawn trapping.

Also non damage foam not killing HH proc dien , but opp would help your shots, especially if you lose proc for some reason .

[onyx sage]

no i mean the CC role might accidentally kill a red bar

[hexed steppe]

With what?

Scorpio debuffing?

[vestal ibex]

EP isn't a slouch for damage but beyond that creeping death is more useful in my LFGs as it makes your foam have more impact and better CCing overall and spread when starting rooms/new spawns.

[hexed steppe]

Team not killing?

[vestal ibex]

Need oppo to kill?

[hexed steppe]

Ep spreads the foam anyways

More damage on targets kills them faster

[onyx sage]

yeah

[hexed steppe]

Dont need to foam dead npcs

[vestal ibex]

Yeah and on room entry people can shoot more enemies and spread it faster because creeping locked 4-5 people in place who aren't shooting them vs the 1.

[onyx sage]

like unironically your debuffing might be so good you can kill red bars that HH roles need

[hexed steppe]

They kill one its 15m spread

[hexed steppe]

Communication fixes that, no?
No vile so it would need to be deliberate to kill the red

[onyx sage]

it's about more of them being locked down that reduces more risk than just having 1. in legendary trying to kill 1 while being shot at is really hard

because being shot at makes you flinch

[hexed steppe]

If it's an issue killing... see previous statement. If team isnt killing then the cc guy should be on dps

[onyx sage]

well that's not the only option, CC could use creeping death

it is an issue killing but not because the damage roles are incompetent

[vestal ibex]

Oppo being needed sounds like a killing issue tbf

[hexed steppe]

It's more about stacking debuffs. You run survivalist, scorpio on that type of role... what's the difference

You also fail to realize you can shoot more than 1 foam

Creeping has down time

Opp doesnt

[vestal ibex]

You run out of foams pretty quick but I guess if it's slow going you have time to get them back.

[hexed steppe]

You have haste.. see my hazpro cc build 😎

[onyx sage]

one good example of where creeping death outshines just regular spreading from EP is EMP sticky on dogs, but ig in my runs i always bring emp sticky as backup anyway

[vestal ibex]

I have one tho.

[onyx sage]

electronics are tanky enough in legendary that you can't rely on the spread to be enough to CC what comes after

[hexed steppe]

Not using acosta's for that anymore 😅

[vestal ibex]

Gunner, overwatch yaahl chest, coyotes, 100% haz pro to foam.

[onyx sage]

by the time the electronic dies, it goes thru the asininely long death animation so your spread emp duration is just short

[hexed steppe]

You'll have to post ss

[vestal ibex]

It's just gonna be what I described?

[hexed steppe]

Ep off pieces

?

[vestal ibex]

I just said overwatch chest/coyotes-rest are EP

[hexed steppe]

Didnt mention

[vestal ibex]

wat?

[hexed steppe]

No creeping?

[vestal ibex]

naw, no need, there is only 1 ad.

[hexed steppe]

Didnt mention ep when you rattles off the other stuff

[vestal ibex]

Was implied when you said haz pro CC build. I know that's an EP build.

[hexed steppe]

So just to sum up... items can be viable and not be bis. I put creeping there. I've used it and opp extensively in the same situations and opp is just more viable imho. You dont have to agree, but neither do I ..

[onyx sage]

eepy build

[hexed steppe]

That's fair. I was just clarifying.

The 2 talents may kinda break even. Creeping frontloads the cc, opp frontloads the damage. Both are geared towards achieving the same goal.
I challenge you to give opp a solid run on cc builds.

Tbf I was a creeping fanatic, perf creeping fanatic. Opp just flipped my switch the right way

[vestal ibex]

People I play with value enemies locked down so creeping is here to stay.

[hexed steppe]

Never looked back 😍

[dreamy valve]

I never had to use creeping death to spread cc effectively myself, I think it’s just an extra bonus if you want max spread chance

[hexed steppe]

So challenge not accepted, even for research?

[vestal ibex]

I foam and move on typically.

[hexed steppe]

Same, well adding a scorpio shot or 2 as I pass

Tanky npc get the full treatment though

[fresh fox]

but you still slower than him so he wins #likeaboss

[hexed steppe]

Lies

[vestal ibex]

Naw that's not the point, it's probably just a difference of who you CC for typically.

[onyx sage]

what is bro doing

[vestal ibex]

You value more damage while I value greater CC.

That's the difference between these two talents.

[hazy steeple]

"The best CC is a corpse"

[hexed steppe]

I know you most likely have the proper setup needed. Its telling that you wont even test it. But to each their own

[fresh fox]

real ones know it’s case dependent in all seriousness

[hexed steppe]

That's fair

[fresh fox]

a ton of things to consider when playing foam in all honesty

[hazy steeple]

That truth just came straight outta @fresh fox

I've been waiting for weeks to say that.

[fresh fox]

kinda depends on the skill of the other players as well as the mission/area it’ll be used in

and even then there isn’t a single “best” setup

[onyx sage]

striker is twd

--someone

[fresh fox]

so just hotswap the bag guys 😁😁

[fresh fox]

woah now

[hexed steppe]

That kinda ties back to the original statement. If team isnt able to spread your cc, cc guy should be on dps

Thata pretty much why I consider creeping redundant. Team needs damage regardless

Good damage spreads foam. Bad damage doesnt. Simple. Having a big foam here or there doesnt change that

[vestal ibex]

I don't think it's worth it to try every little variation of a build. Still have never made or run a drone turret build so add that to the list if you want.

[hexed steppe]

God forbid if creeping procs on scorpio disorient

[vestal ibex]

That's good CC tho.

[hexed steppe]

💀

[versed summit]

If you have enough damage, opp is just as redundant

[fresh fox]

^^

i’ll be real i don’t even run scorpio on my foam nowadays

sorry guys.

#sweetdreams

[hexed steppe]

Dead npcs dont need to be foamed.

So tbh cc builds are redundant judging this back and forth

😆

[kindred mango]

Can you post your build co-co-compton?

(Dr. Dre sample)

[fresh fox]

4pc eclipse with chest
1pc electrique or btsu
perfect creeping death (with a hotswap for perfect oppo ready)

with sweet dreams, lefty, pistol with perpetuation

on survivalist

and….

4pc FI with chest
1pc electrique or btsu
perfect oppo (with a hotswap for perfect creeping death ready)
with sweet dreams, lefty, pistol with perpetuation
on survivalist

(FI version is only for specific rooms in legendary missions)

[kindred mango]

Nice ty

[versed summit]

FI foam is a wild one

[fresh fox]

i think i use it in a single room in DUA

[versed summit]

Hmm

[fresh fox]

could probably work in courtroom in capitol

[subtle bluff]

In leggo it's the fastest support.

[fresh fox]

idk im a DUA merchant ngl

[subtle bluff]

I'd prefer a good CC support player over a healer is a lot of cases.

[hazy hull]

Looking for advice on if I can break this sniper further

[versed summit]

Well if you’re going to use ranger you should probably find an Ekim’s long stick

[hazy hull]

Tried it not as fun as I hoped it was

[vestal ibex]

I'll CC on wright and lovebirds for you bro.

[hazy hull]

This is basically what PvE boils down to for me cause close quarters kill me so quickly

[vestal ibex]

No HH rip

[versed summit]

Yeah the gun isn’t the thing here it’s the build

Also do you have tapper?

[vestal ibex]

lol was about to ask if having a rapper on stand by was normal.

[hazy hull]

Will check

Nah

Running an Ace of Eights build with 956k Armour and 396 health at this point I am pretty sure it's SHD level being 55 screwing me over cause it's a solid build

[onyx sage]

nah your talents are probably wrong

show the build

[dreamy valve]

Yeah get an HH build as soon as you can

[hazy hull]

HH?

[bold leaf]

Headhunter

[dreamy valve]

Also, your using a zoomed scope for sniping which is much slower to kill stuff

[onyx sage]

sniper setups: https://lite.evernote.com/note/ee351aec-69d7-ae1d-ecfd-b79c6d55fd20

it's not your shd level, it's all about the build. having a 4p set talent isn't all you need

[hazy hull]

Ok

[dreamy valve]

https://youtu.be/rfI-Ic8LD20?si=hz3dmSOdRpZOx6Bw

If you don’t feel like reading

4 minute video. It also explains how to use the build too, instead of just telling you what gear to get

[subtle bluff]

I hate you...... 👺

[vestal ibex]

Goop.

[versed coyote]

QUESTION: I'm coming back to Div 2 and thought that running with a green 4 piece gear set e.g. "Hard Wired," "Ongoing Initiative," "True Patriot" etc. is the way to go. I've inspected a few people i've played with recently and even recall when I last played the game reguarly that most did not run with a gear set, most had yellow/gold pieces of armor. Is running 4 piece gear sets not the best way to go?

Or does it depend on the situation/how you play?

[subtle bluff]

Yes if you're trying to use the gearset for it's talent you want 4pcs.

[versed coyote]

Ok

[subtle bluff]

If you don't care for it's gearset talent use the high end pcs instead.

[versed coyote]

gotcha thanks. just wanted to know if I wasn't running with gear right or if something has changed.

[subtle bluff]

Go to the 📌 Pinned Messages on the top right if you're in PC to see the Spreadsheet.

[subtle bluff]

It's just a less efficient.

The build still matters.

[versed coyote]

Thanks for the info 👍

[winged vine]

If I'm using Catharsis and Heartbreaker with Bighorn, would my BiS option for the free piece be Fox Prayer, 1pc Habsburg, or Picaros?

[versed summit]

Should be Fox’s

[shy willow]

🪦🪦🪦🪦

[trim wedge]

3 pc hotshot, prov bag with vigi, fox’s prayer rolled w headshot, walker and Harris headhunter chest @hazy hull

[subtle bluff]

I like Eagle's Gasp. The extra 7 round and WH is really nice.

[cerulean smelt]

does it give more magazine size?

[versed summit]

Zwia gives +15% mag size

[cerulean smelt]

ah there it is. yeah i was just thinking. thought it was only weapon handling. was looking for it in the sheet and you said it as i was swapping to brands

[austere osprey]

after not playing the game for 2 years i come back and get absaloutley violated in the DZ even when i have nothing. any tips for builds i should work towards?

[solar sable]

Check the 📌 Spreadsheet > PvP guide

[austere osprey]

wheres that?

[solar sable]

you in the phone app?

if yes, click the top arrow next to the channel's name and go to Pins

[willow kiln]

Just getting back into division 2 within the last week. Any recommendations for the build or changes I should make?

[subtle bluff]

Not go tank.... or w/e that is..

Look in the PInned messages for builds.

[solar sable]

why did everyone back then use tank builds?

[willow kiln]

idk. it was what I had last time I played like 2 or 3 years ago. Was a skill repair video I found or something about an over 100% repair cause of artificer hive

[subtle bluff]

Dude this is some dumb YouTuber trying to make a "different" build...

Skill tier with Foundry is so dumb... Foundry heals is based off of you Armor..

[frozen hull]

Question about artificer what mods go best ….

Know what I could probably just search this

Is there like a page to see what mods go best with what skills

[willow kiln]

it also repairs based off the damage to the shield. My main thing is im lacking in damage and only play solo so there comes a point where damage is necessary as well. But an answer besides "scrap it all" or at least a better explanation why would be nice.

[subtle bluff]

yes but your Foundry repair it already...
Tank build aren't worth it in this game.

[subtle bluff]

Not much work with it.

If you can't output dmg you'll get overran.

[solar sable]

You don't just run things that give you bonuses just because they sound juicy. You mainly need DMG and basic building knowledge.

For example:
You want DMG? Striker's.
You want DMG and Survivability? Heartbreaker.
You want to use Skills? Skill build.

All these build templates are tested and shared in the 📌 Spreadsheet.

You don't want to use the meta stuff? High End DPS.

[bright raptor]

At endgame the tradeoffs between the three build pillars are very stark

you can make a tank build, but it invariably means you do very little damage

The game is also designed to push the idea in PvE that the best defense is a strong offense - kill enemies before they can damage you

[hexed steppe]

the only mods worth putting on artificer are haste and range. tbf, you wont need either of those anyways if its primarily for repairing the shield since it stays on your back. no +4 for it either

[hexed steppe]

just to add to above, you can drop foundry. there are other ways you can split the difference between survivability and damage. keep memento, add hunters fury, tech/artificer like you have. capacitor doesnt fit this since no damage skills. you can use hunters fury in the traditional way w/ smg/shotgun. you can get also use headhunter chest with hunters fury and use shotguns or pistols to chain headshots.

#td2-build-advice message this pistol headhunter variant of highend can be really strong with artificer + tech class [repair, skilltier] + memento skill/armor cores and skill efficiency. this equates to tier 4 bulwark, skilltier 3 artificer. shield strength/artificer repair scale up as stack up trophies noted in the chat link. if you use something similar with crusader or firewall striker shield they will also scale strength, but wont be able

punch drunk, chainkiller, memento, fox's prayer, contractor's glove. picaros/claws out/ preference holster

also, before someone crucifies me, claws out is slightly more weapon damage over picaros

[strong cave]

Worth it for eagle bearer?

The guns recoil is a bit tricky still for me even on both inputs (KBM + controller)

[shy willow]

On striker it should be fine

[subtle bluff]

Idk. Base mag for BH is 42 so it's give 7 which is nice.

[strong cave]

Nah I'm thinking about switching up my pvp HE build that uses EB + Vigi with nightwatcher mask

[strong cave]

I know with zwi it increases EB's mag to like 70

And as the EB shoots you also get i think either accuracy or weapon handling??

[subtle bluff]

69 for eb

[strong cave]

Plus 1 chamber or no?

69+1

[subtle bluff]

that's with it

[strong cave]

Damn

[subtle bluff]

Base not modded

[strong cave]

Currently I have this setup (lemme dig for it)

[subtle bluff]

I was on so I went a pulled it out

I haven't used EB forever

OH it's 69+1. I didn't try to top it off

Uh.. Elmo is 80+1 Ouro 57+1
Wait this isn't going off of base.. I'm crazy..

SLeep is calling probably..

[strong cave]

Damn so I was right 😂😂

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwVgtKYMxgTHYAMSXLajiBcUCcCZgFYj0zNUth55CCAOC85nANgIWaaa31om5cWwdv1KCJ2eABZoAdgjTC08MGmy17FkMlZYSiOHaqFrIvUYtWVeGohaeC4EWA7EQA

That's my current setup. Alt setup rn uses ceska knees, grupo chest, Picaros holster. Gives slightly more armor without trading too much damage. Yes I know I could go Fox's and contractors and all. These are just the pieces I've got set up for this build bc nightwatcher is a must for me on it (pvp setup + pulse is very useful)

[strong cave]

^^ just found pieces I didn't even know I had. Now I can take contractors + Fox's and ditch 2pc w+h. It'll yield me more damage for all my guns now and I'll still be at a good CHC level and CHD level. It's even conflict ready too by just changing a CHD mod to a CHC mod 😂

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwVgtKYMxgTHYAMSXLajiBcAOBNgFZD1TNUth54D88yHMsAWQ4Z6Ccxnygdnxce3JrA7AY1EcNJZ4HKAPYFm4duOYA2blhnS5zAuG1qBmwjnpNNleOwjbeStjKA

[timber dagger]

Hi ive been playing for a month and did the high end meta based on this forums advice. I don't like it that much. Is there a Shotgun close encounter build?

• my current build is highly effective however. I want to face tank using a shotgun do dmg and enjoy the game any tips?

[dreamy valve]

I got a 5 blue core shotgun/AR build

You must be coming off of the full red paper wafer dps builds

[timber dagger]

Yes I started this game a month ago. And they recommended all yellow AR build. It kills fast but 1- I don't like ARs 2- I have to be in cover most of the time

[hoary sail]

Maybe hunter furry. u can test it. But it's for pm nd shotgun mostly

[timber dagger]

I know this is a big ask but is there a way to facetank and do dmg at the same time in this game?

[hoary sail]

Well the only thing in mind it's the heartbreaker set but it's for ar. In heroïc nd highter at a grp of 4 it's deals not so much dmg

[patent fossil]

There's always a trade off, how much that matters depends on difficulty and group scaling (eg you can be far tankier in solo challenging and still do sufficient damage than 4-player heroic).
Easy set up for shotgun is hunters fury, memento, ceska chest with obliterate or intimidate, and a decent shotgun with brazen. You can choose how many armour cores you want on the HF pieces. Striker shield from the firewall spec gives a nice damage boost in short range

But this is best used solo

[bright raptor]

Hunter's Fury with Memento and another blue core or two provides a pretty strong shield

the Headhunter headshot damage + Pummel M870 Hunter's Fury setup is extremely strong but you don't really facetank with the shield due to the shield strength tradeoff

and of course, the enemies being dead

[long inlet]

I'm tryna make a striker build what's good weapons I'd be able to use not got many exotics just chameleon atm for weapons

Any advise

[bright raptor]

ACS-12 for stack building, assault rifle of your choice for main weapon

[long inlet]

I've sadly not got acs-12 I've been hunting for it but I can't get it as a drop lmao

[bright raptor]

Lefty?

[long inlet]

Nope 😂

[patent fossil]

Famas, police m4, St Elmos always popular for ARs, but the whole range is pretty close in damage so you can really just pick your favourite

[long inlet]

I'm using a spas that does 1.4mil dmg

[long inlet]

I'll see if I got any ina sec

[patent fossil]

You can manage pretty well without a stack building ACS if you're not running striker chest, and don't need to be at max damage immediately

[long inlet]

I'll send a picture of what I've got as striker atm

[patent fossil]

Try and get a ceska chest with crit stats that you can recalibrate to obliterate talent. Swap the knees for coyotes mask or a grupo piece

[long inlet]

I've got non of those ars

I have got striker chest as well in my stash

[patent fossil]

Matchmake for countdown on challenging difficulty with AR target loot and you'll be drowning in them

Striker chest only really worth using for incursion and some raid bosses

[long inlet]

I've sadly only got heroic difficulty

[hoary sail]

select challenging when u matchmaking

[long inlet]

Oooh okay I read them wrong

How to I change targeted loot for it

[hoary sail]

pad --> back arrow on pad once u are in nd select ar

[long inlet]

Ahhh alr thanks mate

[hoary sail]

or u can select before go in with map cursor on cd nd back arrow nd same select ar TL

[long inlet]

I've selected it as ar now

Challenging difficulties and not heroic

[hoary sail]

yes

[long inlet]

Alr thank you

[hoary sail]

👍

[trim wedge]

Count down is my hero

[weary badger]

Anyone got any good builds for incursion?

[tulip charm]

Its just strikers

[weary badger]

really?

nothing else, just vanilla strikers without any attributes or do i need to chang ethose too?

[magic pilot]

Ye just strikers no attributes or talents

6 striker

[weary badger]

got it, thx

[magic pilot]

I'm just messing with you

[weary badger]

bruh

[magic pilot]

^

These builds

[weary badger]

got it. it does have the one mask i dont have. Any idea of where itll drop or if theres a replacer mask i could use?

[magic pilot]

Grupo sombra mask

Coyotes mask - countdown

[weary badger]

noted. thanks.

[urban latch]

specifically for the incursion bosses, 4p striker with chest and backpack, backfire, and bloody knuckles makes a massive difference

you can swap for coyotes on tanker

[weary badger]

imma check'em out.

btw do gadgets matter?

[magic pilot]

Depending how the group you are running with goes through each section yes

[urban latch]

for tanker you'll want either emp sticky or pulse for the drones, and a shield is always good to have. For lovebirds between your group you'll want 1 of each:
decoy, booster hive, scanner pulse, and striker shield

[magic pilot]

Backfire and bloody knuckles is for love birds and wright btw

[urban latch]

backfire is amazing on tanker as well

[magic pilot]

Not in lfg

[urban latch]

100% in lfg

[magic pilot]

Kill ads too slow you lose stacks

You are forced to rely on 3 other people to kill fast enough for constant spawns

Killer Lexington was way easier and had the range

[urban latch]

you can keep them up the whole time. You'll be taking some long shots that arent ideal to maintain stacks if certain people are slow, but at that point its not about the damage your donig, your just trying to keep your stacks active

[magic pilot]

I played top left in this group

Could not maintain backfire, but it's a skill issue so

[urban latch]

100% skill issue lol

[magic pilot]

I was helping top right and bottom right mainly

Bottom left was fine for the most part

One player was using sawyers and bluescreen though so

[urban latch]

you can see pretty much everything from top right or left, so in a group like that just make sure your at one of those

[magic pilot]

Our lovers was pretty good though

Wright was decent. Think we only wiped on tanker once

They were consistently killing drone on lovers

[shy willow]

Gate strat?🤔

[urban latch]

I thought we banned that

[magic pilot]

Arches

[shy willow]

good

[shy willow]

unfortunately the Devs havent😔

[vestal ibex]

pls make gates force you out like floor 100 summit hunters.

[shy willow]

preach🔊

[worn mango]

I'm running a PFE Intimidate/Adrenaline Rush shotty build but I've now learned I hate cartridge reload. What's yalls picks for Brazen shotguns these days?

I'm using Like Glue but just hate the reload

[shy willow]

use a six12

[worn mango]

That's the base Scorpio yeah?

[shy willow]

ye

[worn mango]

Hmm, I think I have every other shotgun other than that lol

Oh Thorn has perfect brazen too huh, had no idea

[magic pilot]

Meh

Sasg better

[worn mango]

I have a max roll SASG that I'm giving a run now that I had it. Is it always brazen?

[shy willow]

wtf what happened

i know it got nerfed but sasg being better is diabolical

[worn mango]

Guess I should have looked at my own stuff. SASG is gross

SASG is clappin right now

[mossy osprey]

anyone here has 20% incoming repair gear mod ?

[cerulean smelt]

if we do what you asking?

[versed flame]

5 pieces

[subtle bluff]

These last 2 confuse me.

[cerulean smelt]

ah they dm'd me. i was figuring it was someone who doesn't understand the mechanics of the game and was going to ask "can you give it to me?"

[versed flame]

I would give it, but I can't)

[cerulean smelt]

btw: pins in the upper right hand corner Sheet 1 link has a healer build of sorts i believe

[subtle bluff]

If you search in this channel for my name and FI healer I posted a guide here.

[hazy burrow]

Someone have Screen with Build for sniper rifle 1 shot?

[cerulean smelt]

the headshot build in pins not good enough?

oh they only got aces and eights

[vestal ibex]

Sniper setups shows a hots build.

But there is a huge issue with sniper builds and that's it's easy to make them work and are also dependent on the difficulty/player scaling you play.

[cerulean smelt]

oh? maybe i don't know the name of the build in the pins sheet but all i saw was the aces and eights that stood out as sniper build

[vestal ibex]

Sniper setups iirc

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, there it is. i skimmed over it somehow XD

[vestal ibex]

This guide is better if you fully read it tho which is true of almost all these guides.

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, looked it briefly. not a fan of wearing 2-3 gearset pieces for something honestly

[hazy steeple]

Hotshot is one of the like, 2 cases where that's advisable.
Doubly so if you go for the 100 Stability buff.

[vestal ibex]

The 2-3 pc bonus from hots is more than what you'd gain wearing highend brands.

It's always about getting the most out of what you wear right.

[cerulean smelt]

what about aces and eights?

oh ok the difference is the weapon handling on hot shot over aces rifle and mmr damage. nvm

[magic pilot]

No he's a YouTuber

[vestal ibex]

These are just HUGE bonuses for a gearset.

[cerulean smelt]

lately i've seen people coming to this discord or the other "anyone got x to give me?" as if we can hand out stuff we've obtained

[hazy steeple]

That's not a new thing.

[magic pilot]

Yea idk why he's asking, he said the same thing in his discord

[hazy steeple]

We've been getting basically the same comments on here since I joined this place, and likely before.

[magic pilot]

Maybe trying to prove they are real?

He knows people can't share them

[cerulean smelt]

picture i've got shown was for the gear having 19% repair skills

[magic pilot]

Yea sounds about what I was thinking

[cerulean smelt]

mod empty on it so i was like even more puzzled but they asked about a build

[magic pilot]

Dm it to me?

[cerulean smelt]

i clicked on the ignore button and it disappeared

[hazy steeple]

What's this about DM's and impossible builds?

[worn mango]

Oh wouldn't you like to know

You want it for yourself. Don't you

[cerulean smelt]

what i saw was they were asking for a build with 20% repair skills. what they showed in the picture was a piece tha had 19%ish on it and the rest was all blacked out

[hazy steeple]

The amount of scam bots we get here daily: I probably should take a look, yeah.

[cerulean smelt]

but to hear streamer, i'm like ok probably trying to make a new healer build that's not here in the pins perhaps?
for me though i'm like only healer builds i can think of needed are for the raids and maybe incursion?

[vestal ibex]

Raids and incursion are standard and typical, legendary is ehh doable but CC is better. Not really gonna make a better healer build at this point anyway.

[cerulean smelt]

i would agree. maybe master could use it if your team isn't upto the dps needed?

[magic pilot]

Healer builds have been sufficiently tested for years

Nothing better is going to be made

[cerulean smelt]

here i through refactor would change that up a bit, but probably not as consistent as the others?

[onyx sage]

"i'm going to find my OWN meta builds"

in other news: a local div2 player posits the universe revolves around him

[cerulean smelt]

i'm watching an anime and saw a youtube video where tvs in japan probably? also took part in a certain news worthy event in the anime. here i'm thinking that would've been pretty cool too see

so i wouldn't be surprised if some streamer out there takes up a news anchor and going with that kind of news in their stream

[hazy steeple]

Did you mean to post that in another server?

[cerulean smelt]

which one?

[hazy steeple]

Sounds kinda GTA, I'm thinking.

[magic pilot]

GTA radio? lmao

[subtle bluff]

This is slowly getting me trigger when people say things along these lines...

[dreamy valve]

That’s all pug loadouts in matchmaking

[vestal ibex]

"My build will do more than yours"-people chow is teaching the incursion

[onyx sage]

you guys don't understand, my builds suit ME.

[subtle bluff]

FACTS.....
That's more of my troll side saying "Let's kill everything before he can do anything"

[subtle bluff]

I can agreed to this to a degree for Solo and maybe duo play but ya.

[dreamy valve]

It’s very interesting to see what players slap together in those inspections. It’s like trying to unravel a puzzle to get to the core of its reasoning, and when you get there, it’s still remains an enigma

[onyx sage]

the META builds only apply to the common folk, i am NOT the common folk.

idk it's funny hearing the same wrong premises over and over from these people

[dreamy valve]

I love my off meta, meta builds myself

[onyx sage]

--common folk

[subtle bluff]

It hurts, looking too much.

[bold leaf]

It's funny inspecting others while you're matching for Countdown and then as expected you see multiple flashing red bars on the side of the screen when they face a hunter

[onyx sage]

zero armor and 1 sliver of health

[dreamy valve]

I think that’s like more how they approach them too

Standing outside of cover and not moving just shooting

Getting into Hunter melee range with your glass cannon chest

[subtle bluff]

Gameplay skill is whole different story. I don't pick on people tooo much there.. I think I have issues with this fact when people just see something and hide even tho it's not even look at them or started shooting yet.

[onyx sage]

but that's the thing, they don't realize their gameplay is the problem

both build and play are relevant, they only focus on the build

[bold leaf]

Often seems to be a copy paste build from YT too

[onyx sage]

when something doesn't go their way, they only think the build is the problem

it's like half their brain turns off when they play this game, in other non-RPG games only play matters so idk how they get away with this sort of thinking

[cerulean smelt]

for me the build is the problem (> <)

[onyx sage]

idk i'm like old man yells at cloud at this point

[cerulean smelt]

i want to be that old man that yells at kids being kids

[versed summit]

Tbh you can literally do content with any build, IMO skill is a far bigger factor once you have a semi competent build.

[onyx sage]

that's why i use 6 skill tier striker

[cerulean smelt]

so true. div 1 to div 2 here i totally sucked at the game. i would be the few that'd think Imperial Dynasty i the best exotic out there

[versed summit]

identity theft is a serious crime sir'

[subtle bluff]

I need a name for my dumb wright build

[versed summit]

skillhorn

[onyx sage]

please do not cook ever again

[subtle bluff]

ROFL!!

I'm getting trouble lol at work

[versed summit]

lmaoooooooooooooooooooo

[dreamy valve]

Yellow/red core switch ups might not be entirely crazy next season

[charred eagle]

Ok so quick question about my build, it does really good dmg but I feel like I can get more… I’m thinking subbing out the badger tuff chest piece to put the striker chest piece on for more stacks. and change my kneepads to a badger tuff? I’m just tryin to see if a striker chest piece will do more dmg than a high end with intimidate… cause I am running memento

[cerulean smelt]

a lot of people will probably say Ceska Chest with Obliterate

[bright raptor]

some will suggest flipping more and more cores to red as you get better

[charred eagle]

As of rn with the switch I have 3 red 4 blue

I like sittin around 1.3-1.5 armor n im at 1.4 so

[dreamy valve]

How viable is a 3 pc Wyvern to be part of an Oxi build?

[cerulean smelt]

i wouldn't go that high honestly

now, if they swapped the 2 and 3 piece bonuses, i'd probably go 2 pc at least

[dreamy valve]

ok good, then I don't have to change the build

[cerulean smelt]

for instance if your wyvern piece is a holster can interchange it for waveform when you feel like it

[jade fable]

Can i get nemesis by targetfarming in countdown?

[cerulean smelt]

#td2-general-chat message

[urban latch]

It really just depends on the use for the build. The 3p has lower tick damage, but more total damage per oxy. So it could be bis or useless depending on the application

[boreal ingot]

Try heartbreaker, in heroic like open work, activity group mission, the enemy die so fast can barely build any stack at all unless I face chanka, and because has no stack, no bonus armor, any tip?

I use rock n roll to build stack

[onyx sage]

the tip is not using heartbreaker because of the fact that you can't build stacks

[autumn elbow]

Anyone have a really good Negotiators Dillemma build? Im using the general use 1 that posted in builds and it just feels a bit lacking at times, even with a good mash up with diamondback, was wondering if maybe somethings outdated or if the build just plays a bit slower?

[onyx sage]

well if you want to be effective with it don't use diamondback

just use an automatic weapon like AR, smg

[autumn elbow]

diamonback is pretty much only when im messing around/ doing polarity event because...yea diamondback + polarity pretty much garauntees 1-3 shots on any heavy units

Other than that its been the general use build

[onyx sage]

people only use diamondback with it when doing one-shots lol, generally you just want an automatic weapon so you can mark 2 fast and then mag dump on the main enemy

[autumn elbow]

im usually using lexington with flatline and or bullet king (secondary slot is just a flex mostly)

[onyx sage]

that works fine

[boreal ingot]

Are there anyone here who ever run multiple overcharge setup, like having multiple way to gain overcharge like from Future Perfect, BTSU, and Energize... if those thing proc when my revive hive on CD, does it restore my entire revive hive?

[onyx sage]

might be wrong but i think the only overcharge effect that also refreshes your hive cooldown is BTSU

other overcharge sources don't do that

[boreal ingot]

ah sad 😦

yeah read the description, I completely forget the fac that restore hive thing are not from overcharge itself, but from BTSU restore hive extend to pt as well

[subtle bluff]

That's prefect. If you recalibrate anything do the talent for playing with different things like glass cannon.

[shy willow]

Its a god roll holy

[fair dragon]

Prefect. Point and laugh

[hexed steppe]

yesterday someone was mentioning that microwave coils modifier didnt proc with linked laserpulse. does anyone know if heartbreaker headshot pulse or flatline pulse procs the modifier?

[boreal ingot]

for LFG 3rd sub stat what is the better option between health vs armor damage?

Since it already has damage target out of cover as 2nd sub stat

[patent fossil]

Crit chance is usually the preferred option, rate of fire isn't bad either

[boreal ingot]

Already max crit though, might go for crit dmg instead or just switch some mod

[patent fossil]

yeah just swap mods or minor stats around to get more CHD

[vestal ibex]

Crit is way better on the weapon cause it's 9.5% CHC vs 10% CHD where on gear CHC to CHD ratio is 1:2.

[elfin summit]

Should I use the 1886, or the Relic?

[versed flame]

1886!!Higher damage

[vestal ibex]

1886 is op currently, basically a sniper rifle

[elfin summit]

But would it truly make a difference? After all, the Relic has a higher mag, a higher firerate and the same talent but better (my 1886 has determined). Then again, I seem to hit more headshots with the 1886.

[shy willow]

Relic is trash

[vestal ibex]

Relics talent is do do

[shy willow]

Perfect determined is actually worse than normal determined

[elfin summit]

I see. How is it more dogwater than the normal one?

[vestal ibex]

Doesn't re proc itself

[elfin summit]

Yikes. Alright, then. The 1886's more fun anyways.

[vestal ibex]

Are you using head Hunter talent on your chest?

[elfin summit]

No, atleast, not yet.

[shy willow]

Even if it worked like normal determined G28 is one of those guns where it handles like a rifle but is classed as an MMR

[vestal ibex]

Try it and you'll know the difference between the two

[elfin summit]

Okay, I'll try and find a piece. Thank you for the advice!

[vestal ibex]

Chain killer is the named version. That combo will allow you to one shot all but named enemies/bosses/helmed enemies in one shot