td2-build-advice

[subtle bluff]

I thought the same till I tried it.

[onyx sage]

i mean i do agree with dis, strega being on-kill does limit its usefulness

[junior surge]

What I find most annoying about Strega is that killing people via nego marks doesn't count for adding marks

[onyx sage]

but in the right content, it is really strong

like it really is strong

[shy basalt]

yar i can see it being useful in something like summit

[onyx sage]

i think nego not working with it is an oversight tbh

[shy basalt]

where everything is tightly enclosed

[subtle bluff]

Ya but if you think about it nego is doing the dmg not the weapon.

[shy basalt]

what did they change about it?

[junior surge]

Increased rpm by 50% lol

It went from 605 to 935

[shy basalt]

oh that's pretty good lol

shame that ubi is dying

would've liked to see bigger investments into div2 or even div3

[subtle bluff]

And six12 got nerf because of this stuff.

Not really but..

[onyx sage]

they also removed the pesti-specific base nerf, it matches m249 base dmg now

[shy basalt]

wow lol that's huge

[onyx sage]

yeah, it really is lol

[shy basalt]

have they added any new endgame

or is it pretty much just a gearset and 1-2 uniques per season

[onyx sage]

after descent, nothing

[subtle bluff]

on the 25th we get something

[shy basalt]

there was supposed to be an expansion for div2 apparently in april

[shy basalt]

shame

i didn't really like descent

[subtle bluff]

@onyx sage what do you think about new WR Tidal run and those new tech builds. Now I want to use them.

[shy basalt]

it has the same problem that I have with chaos wastes in vt2

[onyx sage]

i haven't watched it yet, did they use new builds entirely or is it just updated strats?

[subtle bluff]

yaaaa they have tech. That run is crazy quick on the first 2 section. Nego BLB.

[onyx sage]

wait, they prestack blb?

[subtle bluff]

Think about it. You're proc'ing both at the same time!

[onyx sage]

yeah i'll watch it later, i'm more a fan of community% runs rather than any%

[subtle bluff]

I get it.

[formal hatch]

hello, which is the best AR?

[violet juniper]

well until I get the perfect drop, that's all I got lol

besides, my main use for it is as a finisher or a squishy killer for free health

[violet juniper]

Lexington or St Elmo's Engine

[formal hatch]

i don't have the lexington

[violet juniper]

then st Elmo's Engine.

[cerulean smelt]

Apparently they'll let those who never got Lexington earlier a chance to get it, no details other than you'll have another chance

[formal hatch]

okok ty

[onyx sage]

🗣️

[strong cave]

"word on the street..." Basically

[manic aurora]

hey! i only started playing a week or two ago and i really want to make a sticky bomb build but every one i've seen uses grupo with skill rolls, and i just can't get any to drop lmao

what would be a good alternative armor?

[cerulean smelt]

none, the reason you see that is the 2 piece increases explosive damage

the only other one is china light which 1 pieces does that, but when you combine both the china light and 2 grupo that's a huge bonus to the explosive damage combined

[cerulean smelt]

reason i worded it that way. if i just said "you'll have a chance later" questions of "when?" which we don't know yet as they didn't say

[strong cave]

Pretty common theme with this game: lack of community communication

Ubisoft: COMING SOON! THIS NEW EXCLUSIVE RERUN!
Community: When?
Ubisoft:

[cerulean smelt]

i feel ya

[strong cave]

Depressing I gotta rely on YouTubers to tell me when things are as opposed to media announcements or in game upcoming notice messages

Rockstar Games advertises in their games upcoming exclusive events ways away before it even happens. Division it's like maybe 24h notice, if that

Anyways, I need actual build advice:

What's a really good underrated high end weapon you guys secretly use and would recommend? I'm open to all weapon types. Just need a corresponding build

[cerulean smelt]

wish i had one to be honest, but it seems every build i come up with is trash so i resort to streamer build videos and get some idea but it still comes out trash to me so i've given up

like i think about how a hybrid build with mechanical animal would be like getting overcharges peroidically. build it and it feels like it lacks both weapon and skill damage despite me building for both

[subtle bluff]

TBH just put it on a KDI finish a kill with it and it'll OC faster.

The Sig AR is pretty bad.

[strong cave]

Ah damn. I've never used it ... But it's max proficiency printer filaments ftw

[cerulean smelt]

it's a shame how they nerfed picaro's though

[dreamy oxide]

i just got st elmo's engine from an exotic drop, whats a good build to go with it?

[bold leaf]

Yeah I tried to do this with Mech Animal and a 4R/2Y crit and repair skills build but it was crap

Better to deal so much damage that they die first

[onyx sage]

this is the way

[hazy steeple]

Pretty much a basic DPS setup, it's just a good work-horse AR.
Try it on a Strikers, probably the easiest to add it to.

[bold leaf]

I found out today St Elmos has a 'scope'

[cerulean smelt]

i honestly would love to see a complete evenish set up of weapon damage, armor and skill then mechanical animal boosting the skill to overcharge and working rather well XD

[bold leaf]

Unfortunately yes

Yeah it's a total pain. I couldn't believe it when I got wasted by a stinger hive and then had to run around for another 30 mins

[noble anvil]

I was using a mortar build and I got one shot

[bold leaf]

Oh switch to normal for sure, heroic is rough

[cerulean smelt]

Scorpio can make short work of hunters if done right XD

[bold leaf]

Shock trap, riot foam, Scorpio

[zealous bay]

Any advice on a decent dps build revolving around legs and the gunner specialist

[bold leaf]

The hunter's spawn point is the same each time so set a shock trap down first then activate the last statue

[cerulean smelt]

legs = legendary?

[bold leaf]

Legendary and on gunner, gotta be striker. Have a healer in your team if you can though

[cerulean smelt]

not sure if they meant legs as in legendary or something else. but yet a red striker build will get you through most content

[bold leaf]

Not on normal difficulty no. You could do 4 red, 2 blue but you still need some damage

[cerulean smelt]

that could work but i feel it's still rough

[zealous bay]

Red striker build??? Sorry I haven't played since the warlords of new York first came out

[bold leaf]

Yes that would work fine

[zealous bay]

What is red striker build

[cerulean smelt]

pins, Sheet LInk 2 there's a build section and in there will be a red striker build

https://lite.evernote.com/note/0ee25268-ad51-0dd8-be36-f12373c7630a

like one i attempted not on the sheet is, 4 pc striker, ceska backpack Devil's Due (perfect clutch), grupo mask and utilizing the chc on ouroboros to hopefully keep myself alive while having perfect clutch procced XD

[bold leaf]

How did that work out for you? 😆

I never found clutch to work as I wanted it to

[cerulean smelt]

about the only striker build i like so far, but oxpecker might change my mind XD

[cerulean smelt]

nods the healing from it is pretty small and unreliant

[bold leaf]

Sounds about right

[cerulean smelt]

same set up on PTS and my shield maybe busted 2 times while using oxpecker

[bold leaf]

It's gonna be so funny seeing people try to get their heads around using Oxpecker when it's live. So many people are gonna get downed because their shields died when they weren't expecting it

[cerulean smelt]

one was id10t error (got too cocky and aggressive) other i think almost same thing but it was either face what i felt was more threatening or push on and hope for the best but lost on that gamble XD

[bold leaf]

Yep. Still lethal, but obvs way more beatable than heroic

My experience with hunters is disable them in situ or deal more damage than they do

[cerulean smelt]

hunters are supposed to be on one notch above us

[bold leaf]

Some of them are very lengthy and complicated so perhaps not all in one go, but there are still people that go for them

I think I have like 3 left because there's no way I'm tackling the group of 4 in NYC solo

[cerulean smelt]

group is ideal, but i'm pretty sure if you wanted to. take on 1 or 2 in one encouter, then take on the others in seperate encounters

[hazy steeple]

If you leave the area, they leave the area, or the group dies, you have to re-do the entire Hunt from scratch.
So you really can't separate the encounter.

If you're really having that much trouble, just cheese it with the Scorpio.

[cerulean smelt]

ah, i thought one could be like "kill 1-2 hunters" fail go back and kill the others and then get the stuff for it

[bold leaf]

The one I dread is the Trip, Lucky, Veil and Paranoid. The explanation of how to set it up is like 10 mins long by itself and it will take me forever to get that done lol

[hazy steeple]

The "puzzle Hunters" as they're referred to, are tricky, but if it helps, they aren't really meant to be rushed through. Most have to be done after dark (21:00-05:00) anyway.

The hardest part about Hunters is their ability to hijack your skills, so take a setup that doesn't rely on deployable damage skills.

[cerulean smelt]

well, deployable skills in general i'd say. a hacked healing hive or healing seeker would be painful

[hazy steeple]

Technically you still can use them, but they have a weird thing about line-of-sight.

buuuuut it's hardly worth the effort.

[shy willow]

Ah the food truck hunters

[hexed steppe]

foam and shock traps always work on hunters... they love rolling around in traps...

anything else is pretty much meh and wont help... well maybe revive

[odd elk]

whats breaking point, and is it any good

[shy willow]

Rifle/MMR set, and no

[bold leaf]

It's a gearset focused on rifles and MMRs, where stacks give you weapon handling and damage. I have tried it and it didn't seem to do much. You can do better with a high end build.

[ivory marsh]

they try to make a striker for Rifle and they failed

[idle lynx]

which build is better

[solar sable]

the second image just needs a few tweaks and you'll be good to go.

Ceska chest with Obliterate
Striker gloves.
If you want you can use Famas or F2k as HE weapons (High End) or with an easy to get exotic AR like St. Elmo's. instead of Mantis. With Mantis you mainly want a HSD (Headshot DMG) build like Aces or Hotshot.

[drowsy shuttle]

damn the weekly legendary mission give an exotic cache but i don't have the level for that

is there other way to get cache, did do like 20 countdown and still didn't get the scorpio

[subtle bluff]

CD vendor get more exotic caches. Next time use the other channels this is for builds.

[drowsy shuttle]

im using cd vendor

but thx !

[plush field]

this my pvp build

what shoud i change

[shy willow]

I wouldn't build for crit on a sniper

Just stack hsd and handling

[plush field]

then what pvp build woud u recomand ? senc pic pls

[stiff jasper]

Crit sniper are playable but hsd are just better, since you definitely can 1 shot people, build with hsd allow you involve some function, for example, hazard or skill haste or pulse resistance etc.

[strong cave]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwVgtKYEzbAMYFMS5aBcAOWBmCsphVi0T0cBOXWYAdjByNObJwBZqmTuW5zwYeLrx6p0wAGydRIjLTwcc4CngpSKHCuGbooIDh2BwYwGFClsEmGDqhsh4KeDpgJRTNh0hxNmYnT0sohAA

I see similar builds like this all the time for pvp. You could rip off nightwatcher for coyote and get more crits, but I went with the scanner haste to keep pulse uptime active. Builds like this are what you'll want for PvP as opposed to yours

[plush field]

thank you :)

[strong cave]

There's probably a better setup of this build, you'll have to ask the ultra pvp nerds (deco is one of them) for best optimal setup for this type of build. If you're gonna be a ghost sniper, you may as well lean fully into being a ghost lol

One I posted was an example

[stiff jasper]

As I mentioned, hsd would be better so, run full hsd then change those attributes to skill haste, since if benefits pulse also decoy( of course pulse resistance is needed )

[strong cave]

^^ this too. You could even go haz pro since Yaahl gives you hazpro

[jaunty citrus]

So I'm looking for some help. I'm doing a healer build following the link below. I have everything except the lefty. I don't care for the shotguns and was wondering what other weapons I can use, and if so what backpack talent to go with them. Like would overclock be viable?

https://lite.evernote.com/note/022975b4-183e-e730-c18b-06ff00cb26ea

[bright raptor]

Designated Hitter or any sniper rifle still triggers Opportunistic, although Designated Hitter's heal bonus is probably overkill when combined with what FI already heals on all red users

[jaunty citrus]

Ya, my only gripe is I felt I wasn't contributing to the group on mob clearing with the shotguns. I generally tend to stick the the middle or back of my group and prioritize healing, but felt like the team was carrying me through the areas for the most part

[bright raptor]

well with FI + Opportunistic you indirectly deal damage through the FI gearset talent and proccing Opportunistic providing damage buffs to your teammates. You simply don't and can't put out per bullet damage, although Capacitor can help a bunch there

[jaunty citrus]

Oh ya, I know this isn't a dmg build. My main focus is healing, it was the range to reach out and tickle at medium range was my problem. I'm gonna go to the summit and farm for designated hitter

[thin olive]

I for one prefer Matador vs The setup.

[bright raptor]

who asked

[subtle bluff]

You only need a pellet to touch a target to proc the Debuff on the target you can shoot pretty far out there. Let’s Talent is really hard to beat for buff wise.

[subtle bluff]

It’s more than MMR have HSD built in already. Try to stats to get to near CHC is a waste.

[cerulean smelt]

believe the scorpio adds more bonus damage doesn't it?

[versed summit]

20% on the 8th/9th shot IIRC

[stiff jasper]

nah it's not just problem of wasting attributes
If you build crit with sniper, basically you 1 shot people with luck up to 60% but not skill up to 100%

[thin olive]

Considering you have your heal chem out all the time. The setup is a horrible pick.
Hermano* is the smarter option

When you drop your hive
Allies within 15m of your deployed skills, gain +30% reload speed and reduces their active cooldowns by 0.6s each second.

[versed summit]

You shouldn’t though…

There’s a reason the setup is the meta, you don’t need to be healing people every waking moment

[bright raptor]

Full red for maximum damage potential, but a couple of blue cores might be more "comfy" due to the shield health increase

[versed summit]

Hermano is a fun option, but by no means better

[thin olive]

Honestly if the situation dosent need you to heal your team every sec then might as well take another red dps

15% from setup is fine. but the cd on skills can overall do more.
It's a matter of what you prioritize and your group.
If you got 3 strikers with shield and revive then yah... Hermano is horrible.

[versed summit]

Its about the team buff, and that your team isn’t getting constantly damage, but every once and while they will get torn up, and need heals

[stiff jasper]

Well the key is, do you actually need to keep spamming heal chem?
The instant heal have own cooldown but not working on each chem
Then the healing cloud won't stack
So the only reason that you need spamming chem is you need the healing cloud cover most area

[versed summit]

Which is the general case anyway.

Tbh a dedicated healer isn’t really viable for heroic IMO, but for raid and incursion it’s necessary, and it can be useful on legendary

[thin olive]

I value cooldowns over 15% dmg

[versed summit]

Also hermano just loses all its utility if your team isn’t completely stacked on your hive

[versed summit]

It’s far more situational

[stiff jasper]

I am not even telling you, you don't need Hermano, just use bug to having infinitely chem

[jaunty citrus]

I'm currently running around with groups on heroic and doing well. Haven't ran any raids or incursions, at all. I'm currently shd rank 689, and not high enough level for those as I understand

[versed summit]

I mean you can, but in my experience random matchmaking my team doesn’t need heals 90% of the time

So taking something like a hybrid DPS healer just makes more sense IMO

Depends how coordinated you get, but the more coordinated you are the less need for a healer anyways

[jaunty citrus]

You've been lucky then, most of the time the groups I matchmake with consistently go down

[versed summit]

Xbox is a fun place I’ve heard

[thin olive]

psn is the same.

[versed summit]

Skill issue ig

[thin olive]

I blame youtubers

[versed flame]

The level of the clock does not indicate the skill of the player!)

[versed summit]

If you’re having to heal people that much though, you should probably just run empathic

[jaunty citrus]

It can be, except when you get that guy who just hit lvl 40 and is trying to run heroic

[thin olive]

Look at their build. IF they running 3p 5.11, 1p striker, 2p Ortiz.. and they say i want to do legendary.. You know its not going to be a good time.

[stiff jasper]

They play really chill then suffer his teammates

[jaunty citrus]

Ya my dps build is 3 providence, coyote's mask, fenris backpack with vigilance, and fox's prayer

[versed flame]

a good talent is for careful play))))

[versed summit]

should probably farm striker's tbh

[thin olive]

That build is quite old

[versed summit]

an oldy but goody tbf

[thin olive]

Good indeed. Still have itas my rifle build

[jaunty citrus]

It works well, I'm running it with a lexington with flat line and a bullet king

[bright raptor]

it is old reliable and is not dependent on stack management

[jaunty citrus]

Out of curiosity if I were to swap the providence with petrov, would it still be viable?

[bright raptor]

yes, although the loss of 13% crit damage will hurt. If it's the Contractor's damage to armor you want I would swap the Fenris pack to Providence with Vigilance

[jaunty citrus]

I'm not running contractor's

But I could swap the backpack out and run contractor's

[versed flame]

Gloves are better!

[jaunty citrus]

Ok so the petrov vest, just an ordinary one or the named?

[versed summit]

if you're gonna run Petrov Defense Group contractor's makes the most sense

[bright raptor]

both are fine depending on what you want to do

The named Petrov chest is most effective if you're using cover a lot since it really boosts weapon handling, making you more accurate as long as you're actually aiming at a real target

[versed summit]

it's a big dps loss IMO

[jaunty citrus]

Ok so since I'm getting my petrov 3 piece brand set bonus from chest, pack, and gloves, should I then run another pice of overlord for the holster to get the 2 piece bonus for the set?

[versed summit]

not sure where 3 pc Petrov Defense Group came from, but tbh it's just worse than what you already have

[jaunty citrus]

3 pice comes from chest, pack, and contractors gloves

[versed summit]

don't run those just run the gloves

or if you really want perfect braced, just run that

[jaunty citrus]

Oh, misinterpreted what you were putting down, lol

[versed summit]

the 2/3 pc are a significant dps loss

yeah just do contractor's, fox's coyote's + 3 pc prov, you should be able to land around 50 CHC to take advantage of the coyote's mid range buff

[versed summit]

^or Fenris Česká, Grupo works

[versed flame]

classics are eternal!)

[jaunty citrus]

About the same build, I'm just running lexinton, and bullet king with the technician specialization

[versed flame]

well, this is a personal choice for everyone)

[jaunty citrus]

Lol

[versed flame]

for every taste)

[versed summit]

a red closer would be pretty nice here

[magic pilot]

About the same as fenris sir

[versed summit]

better because of the expertise here, and also buffs LMG

[versed flame]

There is!)but I still chose this one)

[magic pilot]

.... true

[dull cape]

just got this dropped on summit, any builds that could make good use of it?

[onyx sage]

classic m1a?

[dull cape]

yeah, i'm relatively noobie but seems like a good roll to me

[onyx sage]

yeah it's definitely a good gun. you can use it in any builds that can use a rifle, like high end crit, negotiator, OD, etc.

[shy willow]

It's perfect

Free talent slot to fit it into anything you want

[versed flame]

as an option, or in any damage build

[bright raptor]

any weapon damage critical chance + damage build is amazing with it

Boomerang is the usual go to for criticals, if you're open to using the Technician specialization and the accompanying pulse laser Flatline with a Spotter chest also deals a pretty formidable amount of damage

[dull cape]

i'm still such a noob, just got back into the game and getting a strikers build going so I can do stuff. I'll put the M1A in storage for when i'm ready to build other stuff I guess

[bright raptor]

FYI once you have the basic Strikers pieces and most importantly an ACS-12 auto shotgun for stack building, you can stack up with the ACS-12 and then use the added stack damage with the M1A

swap back to ACS when you're running low on stacks, repeat

[versed flame]

I agree!there's no point in grabbing everything at once)

[junior vessel]

Soo where can I get st elmo for a striker build? Currently running a early not good rolled hunters fury build and I feel like it’s not that good if not max rolled for crit chance and crit damage

I just heared that a striker build with st elmo is easier to start with

[versed flame]

Elma is not for the "hunter", there is a need for pp

[bold leaf]

It definitely is due to St Elmos giving you 15% crit chance and damage with its weapon mods. A FAMAS, Police M4, or perhaps a Carbine 7 would certainly do well until you get it

[junior vessel]

So what is a good striker Build

I saw something with coyotes mask and memento backpack

[bold leaf]

4 piece striker, 1x ceska, 1x grupo. You can mix and match around with Coyotes if you wish yeah

The backpack and chest are good if you are doing a lot of sustained damage, else a ceska/grupo combo on chest and backpack will get you through 95% of the content in the game

[junior vessel]

Mods and attributes should be crit chance and damage I guess with 2 Blue attributes?

[versed flame]

The armor?That's minus the damage

[bold leaf]

Crit chance and damage everywhere yeah and cores are personal preference. I have 6 red always, but by all means do 2 blue for some extra survivability if you need it

[junior vessel]

Yeah I thought like having a bit more armor could help me cause I don't play for to long like 3 weeks maybe

[bold leaf]

Yep it'll definitely help

If you go for ceska/grupo chest try and get Obliterate as the talent as it pairs perfectly with crits

[junior vessel]

I have a ceska chest with obliterate or intimidate I dunno which exactly

So i can keep that

And just need to get grupo and striker pieces

[bold leaf]

Targeted loot in the open world, missions or Countdown for those. Countdown will be quickest

[junior vessel]

Ayoo thanks alot 🤝

[bold leaf]

No problem

[vapid quarry]

yalla

[hexed steppe]

ide say nego. youll want to keep an eye out for a m1a cqb, it has extra mod slot and higher dps iirc

[rich lotus]

i need a good set to grind for bro

[tulip charm]

striker

[cerulean smelt]

that's considering you're a fresh level 40. otherwise wear what you can until you finally hit 40 then get a striker build and your flavor of weapon

[lyric jungle]

what is the best roll for a shotgun i dont remember lol

[solar sable]

depends on what you use it for

build stacks: RoF
build stacks and deal some DMG: DTOC
DMG Only: DTOC

[lyric jungle]

rof meaning?

[steel grove]

rate of fire

[lyric jungle]

no i mean like you want dmg for target out of cover right like every weapon

[steel grove]

if it is for damaga DTTOOC is the best roll to get yes

[lyric jungle]

ty

[strong cave]

The only exception to this rule would be crit chance on an lmg. Namely the pestilence

[torpid mica]

Love this game so much!! Currently have a heartbreaker build with lmg

[solar berry]

Dta… works wonders and stacks with dtooc on top of crits

[torpid mica]

Stacks are amazing reason I love the heartbreaker

[strong cave]

Everybody I know swears crit chance on pestilence

I don't exactly remember the reason why you're supposed to have crit chance on your pestilence but it's something along the lines that it yields you more crit damage at the end of the day or more damage overall? I truly don't remember

I run both and it feels the same to me so (Dta or CHC)🤷

[solar berry]

I never needed chc on my LMGs or weapons. All of my builds have atleast 50-60 chc base, depending on the weapon. Less chc on gear if smg.

[steel grove]

the CHC helps with the debuff damage pesti puts out

[strong cave]

Yes that's what I was wondering

[solar berry]

But if you max out chc… the chc on pesti is a waste

It’s useless and less dmg overall compared to dta or RoF

Even with the debuff put into play

[shy willow]

DTA is decent on pesti cuz it buffs ticks

But generally CHC/ROF more valuable

[solar berry]

The only 4 useful weapon stats I see viable across the board. Depending on your playstyle and build.. dth, dta, dtooc and rof

Chc/chd should be coming from your gear pcs… not your weapon… its a huge waste stat in my opinion for any weapon

[steel grove]

dta is a standard on any LMG

[strong cave]

DTTOC*

DTA is shotguns

[shy willow]

It gets run on LMGs because they have innate dttooc

[steel grove]

ur right my bad

[shy willow]

Lets you stack up more CHD

[solar berry]

Then put on dta or RoF

More dmg overall…

[shy willow]

DTA is situational

It's generally between CHC or ROF

iirc someone did the maths and chc is a bigger increase

[solar berry]

I also said this earlier… I said dta for LMGs… mainly pesti

[strong cave]

This conversation has basically become a completely situational thing. Crit chance allows for more upfront crit damage on the pestilence but not running damage to armor weakens the pestilence debuff. Running damage to armor gives the debuff more ticks but you're sacrificing more crits

I think that's what naval is trying to get at

[solar berry]

If you build enough chc/chd in your gear pcs… there isn’t a point to have either one on the LMG itself

[strong cave]

I can't figure out which is better so that's why I have two pestilences with either attribute

Will have to run a test on identical builds and see which does more damage

[shy willow]

If you're running a crit starved set like striker there absolutely is a case for chc on your LMG

[strong cave]

May as well be striker

Truth bc you'll need a 2 or 3 CHC mods to meet the 50 before coyote

Having 9.5% CHC on pestilence gives you 12% CHD back

[solar berry]

I still run dta or RoF for LMGs… I get more dmg on any build overall. I always fit chc/chd into my build to fit the weapon stats

[hexed steppe]

who uses lmg anyways? ar/rifle gang 💀

[strong cave]

Me lately lol. I see why people swear by the UIC rifle lol

One accuracy mod and it's pinpoint 💀💀

[solar berry]

Honestly… kinda like rof abit more. But dta is very viable in PvP cuz everyone have arm on… also some npc is health or arm base dmg…

[strong cave]

I run the same thing in PvP I can vouch for this

[solar berry]

I build around both content less rss, and make them versatile

[strong cave]

In general it's always good to at least keep a duplicate exotic just in case lol

[solar berry]

Less stress honestly to me

[shy willow]

I use iron lung sometimes it's great fun

[strong cave]

Slap it on ongoing directive, it's really fun

[solar berry]

Naw.. I find a attribute that I enjoy.. and run it for all of the same category

[strong cave]

Does phenomenal damage too

[shy willow]

Indeed

Yeah iron lung being an mg5 definitely helps

And it innately negates the main negative of lmgs

[strong cave]

I gotta test it at some point with CHC and dta. Just gonna use striker bc it's basically the go to

[solar berry]

Od is the gearset that spread status on kill? Of that’s ep?

[shy willow]

OD is hollow point bullets when killing marked targets

[strong cave]

EP

[shy willow]

EP is status spread and refresh on kill

[solar berry]

That’s right, the div1 pred alike

Ep I use bleed exo vest, it’s nasty with max regen on the build ❤️

[vestal ibex]

feelsbadman

[solar berry]

Wym?

It’s wonderful in PvE content

[vestal ibex]

If you're having fun that's all that matters.

[shy willow]

Bleed is one of the worst status effects unfortunately

[solar berry]

It’s very situational in PvP… not ideal tho

Bleed is ok… but easy to proc tbh

[vestal ibex]

imo this is a PVE chat unless otherwise noted

[strong cave]

Due to the game basically being PVE with maybe 1% of the player base being PVP

[solar berry]

Prob abit more than that tbh. I always find a dz or conflict lobby

Maybe 10-15% at most…

Almost necking 20%

[vestal ibex]

idk about that

[fresh fox]

yea it’s not that high at all

[solar berry]

I mean 😪 every time I get on… I see many people paying. Even when I swap over to my Xbox, and my friends ps

Gotta take account for all platforms

On it’s not high enough for devs to focus on it. But high enough to have many players on.

[lyric jungle]

is rof on shotgun rare on 5 run no rof

[strong cave]

I'll be honest whenever I go on dark zone on PC I see the same 12 guys every single day

[vestal ibex]

You can MM and not see the same person over and over but in PVP you learn who is there. It's a small community

[solar berry]

Oof. I see new people

[strong cave]

The only new faces I see are PVE newbies

[solar berry]

I see some no lifers in there but not all the time.

[solar berry]

Majority of the content is PvE focus… and the game is 80-90% PvE

Gawd I miss div1.. it was a nice balance of both worlds

[vestal ibex]

If I look at LFG chats they are like 95%pve and maybe 5% PVP

[lyric jungle]

i used to love the pvp game mode on div 1

[strong cave]

Pretty much. It's just not fun killing clueless players tho

[vocal flax]

Sometimes on Xbox there are new guys but they are there maybe for a few hours till idk some PVP clan comes and destroys them

[solar berry]

They messed up the TTK in Div 2, When year 2 dropped… the whole gear revamped system… before it was beautiful to play PvP in div2… not anymore.

[strong cave]

Hard to tell who's cheating or who's got godly damage anymore especially on pc

[lyric jungle]

yeah i used to love conflit too but recently did game and got destroyed hated my life lmao

[solar berry]

Devs can’t fix PvP anymore. Every build is broken or risking your life surviving nowadays

PvP across the board, in div2 was at its peak in Div1

[lyric jungle]

conflit is not fast action like before too which i hate

[solar berry]

Conflict is ok… dz is where it’s at…. Of how the game is going for PvP… conflict might be the better option overall

[vocal flax]

It used to be a great place where a low level could actually stand a chance against others

[solar berry]

Now you slap on an all red sniper build or shotgun build. You 1 tap anyone no matter how much arm and arm regen they have.

Fudge.. not even all red build.. could add some blues in there for safety measures

[vocal flax]

But on the other side you have people who can just regen all the time

[solar berry]

Ehhh… you can easily burn the rough arm regen nowadays… unless it’s all blue vs all blue…

[vocal flax]

Met one in the DZ, turned rogue on me and my friend, we ran around for few minutes till some other group got us

[vocal flax]

Yeah it was blue on blue, my friend was testing his new build with me

[solar berry]

If you or him had some red. You can burn him easily.. also depends on how skilled the other player is with movement and shooting.

On pc… people beam heads. Console… that aim assist is deadly… sadly it’s the same on pc for controller players

[vocal flax]

Well the thing was we got him low but just before the final bullet he was full on armor

[vocal flax]

Well aim assist isnt as deadly as it can seem

[solar berry]

He had good movement or bad shooting… arm regen build is strong but not broken either. It’s abit weak tbh

[vocal flax]

Well, propably both things he wasnt running that build from the start

[solar berry]

Especially if you are a low skilled player and foam the other person… ez burn

Not literally you… but you as in an a player.

[vocal flax]

I remember a guy trying to use riot foam with umbra and pestilience

[solar berry]

Foam is everyone worst nightmare.. even at 100% Haz pro

[vocal flax]

This guy couldnt aim for his life

[solar berry]

Bro was scared

[vocal flax]

The thing is he was the one who turned rogue lol

Then some other guy came

[solar berry]

Prob wanted to try out the build. Or saw you had a yellow bag on you

[vocal flax]

And tried to kill me with a shotgun... at like 25 meters

[solar berry]

People often go rouge cuz you have a yellow bag.

[vocal flax]

Must have been the bag

[vocal flax]

How many times did a 4 man group hunted me because i got an airdrop

[solar berry]

Most days I have one single dz rss just to have a yellow bag.. just to see if anyone would go rouge… 1 dz rss is worthless

[vocal flax]

Yeah, at this point i only collect dz resources

[solar berry]

If they have a mic. I and you killed me for one single dz rss. I always say “Hobo joe is down bad, no wonder why you stay in here”

They always get so butt hurt. It’s funny asf Ngl

[vocal flax]

Well there is always a way to get them mad lol

[solar berry]

One day, I had this kid screaming in his mic… I told him, imma call your parents that you are skipping school today.

[vocal flax]

Lol

The worst ones are the tryhard guys who think their striker will make them godlike

[solar berry]

One of them instantly got off. My friend was laughing so hard Z

[solar berry]

Naw… the foam kids. I always call them low skilled noobs. They get triggered easily.

[lyric jungle]

Is this build still good

Before I farm for the big horn lol

[solar berry]

For?

[lyric jungle]

pvp dark zone msotly

[solar berry]

Bighorn is best if on a hsd arm regen build… striker is ok…

[vocal flax]

Thank god i rarelly run into them.

[solar berry]

Less now.. but gawd they are annoying asf.

[shy willow]

Big horn is a great gun anyway

[solar berry]

Striker pairs the best with eb or smg for PvP.. bighorn is meh for it.

[vocal flax]

Yeah, no wonder you can kill me because i cant move at all

[solar berry]

Real

Down bad players ong

[vocal flax]

A regen or headshot build would work nice. Used one in my conflict prime

[shy willow]

If people are relying on foam just run hazpro

[solar berry]

Eb/bighorn for hsd arm regen build works wonders

[solar berry]

100% haz pro is still a pain to deal with foam

[vocal flax]

I think my friend is running one with EB

[shy willow]

You can't get foamed at high hazpro

[solar berry]

I always did got stuck.. so idk 🤷‍♂️

[shy willow]

Haz immune thresholds

[solar berry]

Mmm 🤔

[solar berry]

Also. Pulse stops at 99.8 or 99.9% not 100% fully. People done testing to get the exact number value

It’s a high 99 point sum.

[shy willow]

Ah

[vocal flax]

I wish we could get D3fnc in Div 2

Had a lot of fun with it in Div 1

[solar berry]

Bulwark is the div2 copy

[vocal flax]

But it cant replace the smg

[shy willow]

A lot of div1 sets are just really broken

[vocal flax]

Yeah

[solar berry]

You can run any shield for bulwark gearset

[vocal flax]

I know, but it isnt the same

[solar berry]

I run mine with striker… more dmg output

And use any weapon

[vocal flax]

Well now im kinda experimenting on my build in div 1

Because for me running class striker

Or full class nomad is boring

[solar berry]

You need that 5f/6-7s nomad

[vocal flax]

Just kinda takes out the fun of creating a new combination that works

[solar berry]

Mmm… my fav is that ab

[vocal flax]

Thats why i only use striker on Meret in div 2

[solar berry]

AlphaBridge on top.. I want AB back in div2

[vocal flax]

Oh i was trying to make something with AB

[solar berry]

My main build I run for any content… amazing since I’m a solo player

[hexed steppe]

the hunters in countdown require 97% to be disrupt immune for some reason

[shy willow]

Bros have got the secret supercharged pulse

[hexed steppe]

not much different tho

[solar berry]

It’s prob an outdated or old stat page 🤔

[hexed steppe]

just a weird one that popped up when i was helping someone with a hazpro eclipse setup

[vocal flax]

How does the free talent thing work?

[shy willow]

Your guns share their free talent with each other

[solar berry]

Mmm 🤔 it been a long time.. ngl

[solar berry]

Sum like that.

[lyric jungle]

what is the best way to drop the big horn?

[vocal flax]

Oh the one that doesnt require the electronics, health and all those things?

[hexed steppe]

i think its accurate for the most part. the agent was squeezing % in there with his watch, only way we knew. i think outside of cd the hunters follow the chart for needed resistance

[shy willow]

Yes

[shy willow]

Farm a legendary summit boss floor

[vocal flax]

Well, now i know what i will use tommorow

[shy willow]

Alpha bridge removes stat requirements from talents anyway

[solar berry]

It’s good if you’re running content solo…

[vocal flax]

Yeah but never got what talent was the free one so i left it in my stash

[shy willow]

6 pc is fun solo but utterly hopeless in groups

[solar berry]

In a group, their alts don’t apply to you. Say that they pop a green, and your down. Their green won’t pick you up.

Ect ect.

[vocal flax]

99% of my playtime lol

[solar berry]

Literally me for any game in the world

[vocal flax]

Sometimes in survival i meet someone

But it always ends with somebody biting the dust

[shy willow]

Best to move it to the div 1 chats before we get bonked

[solar berry]

I have to say.. I done so many things solo. I played Ark and MC with my friends. I always end up killing them. They dislike me with a passion

[vocal flax]

Menace to society

[solar berry]

Best extraction royale of all time… literally the peak from Ubi

[fresh fox]

this isn’t div 2 build advice guys i got so excited to help people.

[solar berry]

Sadly we prob won’t see it return… unless it’s in div3… knowing div2… the PvP side will be unbalanced asf

[shy willow]

Help me sir

[fresh fox]

you have all shattered my helpful spirit.

[fresh fox]

sir give up

[solar berry]

Compton ftw 🙌

[shy willow]

😔

[vocal flax]

Well i need a idea to start making my own build

[peak sphinx]

Man i hope the revert some of the dmg nerf the did to mmr,not much but the feel slightly to weak atm imo

[shy willow]

I'm gonna make the deflector good I promise

[fresh fox]

in all seriousness go to skill tiers instead

and go use an empress piece

[vocal flax]

Who even uses that. Honest question (besides you man)

[fresh fox]

skill health + some damage good for deflector

[solar berry]

It have its uses

[shy willow]

I have 4 with the kard out just for the artificer but idk how to maximise damage

[fresh fox]

you would have to drop ninjabike

[shy willow]

The foundry is a placeholder for refactor

[vocal flax]

I have never seen somebody with it

[fresh fox]

and use like shock n awe

[shy willow]

Right

[solar berry]

I seen a handful. But they use it temporarily… but not a build for it.

[fresh fox]

but yea use an empress piece instead of richter

[shy willow]

When refactor comes out I swear imma have a true tri core

[fresh fox]

the skill tiers would just make your artificer better while keeping your shield the same

[shy willow]

Bet

[solar berry]

And it passively shoots hive shots when holstered

[cerulean smelt]

i'd love to see it

[vocal flax]

Does the Overlord have real build potential?

[shy willow]

Yeah the idea is refactor won't heal my shield so have to rely on artificer to keep it up

[cerulean smelt]

what about oxpecker?

[fresh fox]

the shotgun or gearset

[vocal flax]

Shotgun

[shy willow]

This but the whole squad gets healed

[cerulean smelt]

probably the exotic shotgun

[shy willow]

Deflector unfortunately pistols only

[fresh fox]

it’s good as a pvp support weapon

that’s really it though

[solar berry]

The new smg… he needs some more dmg output to combat the negative tick

[fresh fox]

he can’t use it with deflector so it sucks

end of story

[solar berry]

Real

[cerulean smelt]

oh right and refractor isn't about weapon damage, so with it being skill tiered the damage would be too low to upkeep the shield anyways

[fresh fox]

no it’s just because he can’t use it with deflector

[vocal flax]

How would a dark winter build work? What would be in it

[shy willow]

^

[cerulean smelt]

all i saw in the sentence i responded to was Refactor, but like TheoujaZozo pointed out the damage wouldn't be there to keep from losing hte shield from the actual talent on it anyways

[shy willow]

Any crit based DPS stuff

[fresh fox]

you are overthinking it bud

also oxpector is worse on skill builds anyways

a t0 shield survives longer that t6

[solar berry]

It’s meant for dps builds abit more. Amazing with striker, due to rof and dmg stacks for more dmg. The replenishment for shield, is based off of weapon’s dmg. To counter the negative regen of the shield when out.

My bad… I’m thinking of exo smg… the new gearset is based off of skill dmg…

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 i'm curious about the exotic backpack. how would that work with deflector?

[vocal flax]

Maybe use it with some exotic pistol?

[fresh fox]

wtf are you on about

[fresh fox]

no kard would still be best

more damage the better

[cerulean smelt]

about only exotic pistol for shield would be the Liberty since body shot stacks consume the stack to heal shield

does the oc deflector shield get invulnerability?

[orchid jewel]

Where do i go to search for players that want to play TIDAL BASIN on legendary mission

Just joined and trying to figure this out

[vocal flax]

And for the Dark winter build, using the hunter fury with sokolov will be a good idea?

[cerulean smelt]

LFG channels below this

[normal reef]

Hey guys, new player here. Just reached lvl30 and ive been playing mainly as a healer. What should my specialization be? Just got a lot of information and its kind of too much for my smooth brain to handle. All advice is apreciated

[orchid jewel]

Get to level 40

Do missions

[solar sable]

Reach lvl40 first, don't focus on builds before that.

[normal reef]

but any specialization i should have in mind?

or do i leave it until lvl40?

[solar sable]

lvl40 Healers have to choose between two specs:
Technician and Survivalist (?)
It depends on what they run most with those heals.

[normal reef]

ill be back when i reach lvl 40

[solar sable]

Good luck!

[hoary seal]

if u r in need of some builds both pve and pvp. i can show u the endless amount of healer/supports i have. just lmk

[normal reef]

That seems pretty cool. I'm down for a "little" sneak preview

[fresh fox]

the healers spec when you get into true endgame is more about what buff they can provide so it’s more flexible than most think

and also what spec your team is on

[vocal flax]

I think i got my Dark winter Build
-Ninja bike
-The Hollow man Blue
-Sokolov with unbreakable Blue
-Hunter fury gloves Red
-Electrique Holster Red
-Electrique kneepads Red
Use it with Gunner and a Decoy with something
(Its propably more of a smg build than Dark winter build)

[solar sable]

As soon as I read ninja I knew what was next

[vocal flax]

Yeah, im kind of addicted to it, but i dont use it everywhere

I know Ninja is "loved" here

[hoary seal]

it is, even for healers. being able to have 1.8mil armor at T6 hive and chem. just a tanky healer

[vocal flax]

Yeah but the bad thing about it , half of those super ultra mega god like legendary build use it

The ones you see on yt that almost never work

And the vids have like 40 mins

[hoary seal]

healers r hit or miss, earlier i had one guy try an argue that if u sty in his hive circle u get a damage buff just by being in it

[fresh fox]

you do

basically

[hoary seal]

basically lol

[lyric jungle]

what would be a good build for legendary summit or mission because striker is garbage

[hoary seal]

but mind u, he wasnt running a green hive

[fresh fox]

future initiative damage buff only applies at full armor so if you stay in hive healing hive you will be at full hive

ok well that’s his fault but yea it’s not that far off if everything goes well

[fresh fox]

striker

[vocal flax]

Well made striker tbh

[fresh fox]

striker is still the best possible set for casual legendary stuff

[fresh fox]

too many blue cores

you have to learn how to position properly as well

[vocal flax]

And dont rush

[lyric jungle]

is it good now?

[fresh fox]

yea now learn how to position

[hoary seal]

that can work yea but idk about the chest, some like. i dont personally

[lyric jungle]

im already good with that lol i was doing solo raid in div 1

[fresh fox]

and yet you still think strikers sucked #noticing

[vocal flax]

And a version withouth Ninja
-Yaahl backpack with vigilance Blue
-The Hollow man Blue
-Sokolov with unbreakable Red
-Electrique gloves Red
-Electrique Holster Red
-Electrique kneepads Red

[hoary seal]

think ur better off with something like unstoppable for the bag talent

vigi more for range and with smg idk how well that'll turn out

[vocal flax]

Well i wasnt really sure about the backpack talent

[fresh fox]

you could do either

just need to make sure to keep vigi up

[vocal flax]

Dont let them hit me, got it

[shy willow]

I think so but the bigger problem is it's garbage hitbox

[hoary seal]

just something to think about. sure vigi is nice but ur smg. but if u use a shield to keep it up but then youll need invest in blues/yellows to have a tanky shield

but can still try it out, sure itll work in some applications

[vocal flax]

I mean as long as it kills it works. Im gonna see how bot variants work out and will do more with the better one

Thanks for the advice

Propably a status effect build, but what exactly did he use, idk

[shy willow]

Going off iron lung it's probably 3p lengmo w/ contractors, coyote, ceska

3p lengmo is 30% lmg damage

[cerulean smelt]

LMG damage?

[shy willow]

Super valuable

You can pull stuff out the stash if you have it preset iirc

Just need space

[cerulean smelt]

wait until brooklyn. hopefully you'll fall into the "get 100 stash space" crowd

[shy willow]

Blessed be the holy mortar

Except in PvP it's so annoying

[fresh fox]

idk without a picture or video but i would make an umbra build with it

[shy willow]

I mean yeah if they don't hit you with the mortar they're kinda screwed

[hoary seal]

pc its common to pair with umbra with chest, contractors and whatever bag u prefer with vigi with 1 or 2 blues

[fresh fox]

there’s no advantage to having a higher shd in conflict now

other than just having more builds

[fresh fox]

always ceska imo

[shy willow]

ROF/CHD boosts with baked in armour regen

[hoary seal]

another way to pair it

[shy willow]

There's this stupid ninjumbra build which is great for jumping people

[hoary seal]

conflict or dz, just be annoying

but typically in dz, for the past week since i made the build itll make ppl leave after 2-3 flagging attempts

its pretty upsetting, i have a clip of someone either bashing his desk, or idk but he was not having it

status and skill haste

[cerulean smelt]

that reminds me. i watched a video recently where a guy pretty much had inifinite chem launcher ammo tied in with Pummel somehow

[hoary seal]

hidden secret, if u have the chatter box in ur hands and have the max rpm buff, u can shoot the oxi's out faster as well

[cerulean smelt]

i never knew it honestly. i just took those talents at face value reading them. like pummel just for the shotgun ammo aspect

[hoary seal]

theres a lot of talents that can proc off of skill kills that have no bis on procing

[lyric jungle]

Yeah there other build in the game if you didn’t know

[cerulean smelt]

25th

2 weeks?

[hoary seal]

pvp is gonna be great with it in 2 weeks

because typically, they vpn or have a friend to join here in the US

majority of the time they come to NA to pvp, they go to EU when NA isnt active then swap back over

[fresh fox]

but they all suck compared to strikers so they are pointless

there’s a single talent/set of builds that can compare but still fall short

[shy willow]

Triple tick can compete but only if you can get kills

[fresh fox]

they aren’t the best so they are worthless to me i’m afraid

and it shows

[lyric jungle]

^

[fresh fox]

headhunter:

just as strong as strikers in the proper scenarios

(basically anywhere that doesn’t need single target damage)

[shy willow]

How😭

[fresh fox]

and regulus

[shy willow]

Y'all ought to spread out bruh😭

VIP isn't as bad as people make it out to be

Barely tbh

[cerulean smelt]

that was my understanding of that run

[shy willow]

I'd rather do VIP at containment than run across the map to the lab

[fresh fox]

i mean yea because it takes the longest

[hexed steppe]

Mortar Supremacy

[fresh fox]

therefore the loot per minute is lower and undesirable

[night yarrow]

Sounds very respectable

Bulwark gang

[lyric jungle]

any bighorn build for pvp?

[lyric jungle]

tyyy

[bitter bronze]

is this good?

[fresh fox]

no

[tulip charm]

Far from it

[fresh fox]

we all started somewhere though

[tulip charm]

Where did you start compton

[fresh fox]

with click bait striker vids

almost fell into the noob trap

[tulip charm]

Oh 😮‍💨

I remember following solidfps guide since I started

[fresh fox]

the first build i made/stole was a striker memento + picaros one

that was back when umbra came out

i was like very stupid back then

i’ve come so far……….

[hazy steeple]

@noble anvil PvP discussions should be down in #td2-pvp-discussions, however make sure it doesn't turn into a "name the player" session. Rule #12.

[hexed steppe]

tbf, not really. ill break down some issues with a goal of understanding pve builds, not to bring you down.

cons
1- youll want 4 pieces of a green set or no pieces, only exception being hotshot sniper builds and maybe using a couple cavalier pieces in a hazard protection build.

2- aegis isnt a good green set. its designed to be some sort of aggro tank, but doesnt perform well. tanks in general dont perform well outside of specific raid roles.

3- using overlord chest with focus is a double issue. the set boosts rifles and you dont benefit because smg/shotgun. focus talent requires an 8x scope minimum to stack the damage from it.

pros
im not a fan of backfire, but it did get a big buff and is a lot more user friendly. stick with it if you like it.
sokolov brand does improve smg damage.
coyote is a solid dps mask.

you would do well with a striker setup, ongoing directive setup, or hunters fury setup. all of which have guides in the pinned spreadsheet and fairly easy to farm and build for.
youll want close to 55%-60% critical hit chance in either case. as your watch gains level, unlock the crit chance, then crit damage from the watch categories. as you do, balance your build attributes to maintain 55-60% chance.

i would start with striker, but all the builds listed are solid

#td2-build-advice message

[solar sable]

I ain't reading allat

[vocal flax]

Here is the build i worked out. Im thinking that i could take out yaahl out and put grupo sombra and picaro holster here, because i dont think that 10% health dmg would change that much and i kinda need crit chance for the dark winter talent

[hoary seal]

i agree

[vocal flax]

But even in that state, the build works well much better than the variant with ninja

[versed flame]

Are you going to kill so fast in PVP??for a backpack talent??

[vocal flax]

Its not that much of a pvp build, im trying to use some guns i have in my stash and make builds for them

And i have planned on trying it with vigilance to see if the difference is big

Or maybe i could add memento there

[kindred marten]

Also, Localdeck kinda touched on it, but let me say that you never want to run a gear set backpack or chest piece without 4 pieces of the gear set. Gear sets have talents that typically lay out the play style / how to use them, and the backpack and chest piece buffs some aspect of the set, BUT only if you have 4 pieces. So, the way you have it set up now, you’re not getting the Aegis 4 piece talent (which is honestly trash anyway), but you’re not getting the Aegis backpack talent either, AND you’re taking up the slot where you could have a high-end DPS or survivability talent. Even just swapping the Aegis to gloves and Sokolov to backpack with any talent would be an improvement, but honestly just start farming for a new build. I’d recommend a Hunter’s Fury build if you want to use the Backfire/SMG. The buff it got recently made it more usable. As Localdeck said, check the pinned spreadsheet or find a YouTube video explaining a good HF build.

[quick patrol]

So i really like to run 4p striker with czeska chest and memento packback while on technicial (shield+artificer hive for shield repair) also using laser sight to pulse. Would it be more dps if i would change spotter talent on chest from spotter to obliterate and swap laser sight to crit? Iam not smart enough to figure out that by my self, could you guys help me?

[versed summit]

are you using flatline tlaent?

[quick patrol]

Lexi with killer

[versed summit]

then yeah just take obliterate and drop LLP

[quick patrol]

Ty!

is total weapon damage same as amplified? i mean is spotter dmg type same as obliterate? or is the spotter on its own multiplier?

[hexed steppe]

if its the only source TWD then it acts as an amp , not a true amp. adding more twd somewhere else would be additive with other TWD sources. spotter is ok, glass is stronger tho and either are amps.

[mint axle]

Amplification works in a separate multiplier that can apply to all kinds of damage, not only bullet damage. (Explosions, skills, melee, etc)

[quick patrol]

Hmm. So which is more dmg, flatline + spotter with laser sight or killer + obliterate? Probably depends on many things tho

[hexed steppe]

make sure you go into technician menu and select Enhanced Diagnostics instead of overclocked cpu. itll help the hive passive repair

[versed summit]

killer and obiterate generally, it will depend on how much crit and TWD is already in your build, but killer is better than flatline and obliterate is better than spotter...

[solemn otter]

Is this build good? (someone told me to use it for dark winter but i replaced it with the shield sprinterer

[versed summit]

bad

[solemn otter]

💔

[versed summit]

it'd be good with a different chest

are you using crit?

[solemn otter]

wait

is the chest bad but everything else is good or nah

these are my stats

[versed summit]

I'd really recommend any SMG over Shield Splinterer here, but yeah everything else is fine if it's CHC/CHD

[solemn otter]

alright

[versed summit]

well not any, but an smg

[solemn otter]

so

[junior surge]

Whoever told you to run an AR instead of dark winter on HF was trolling you

[solemn otter]

wait ill take a picture of my new build

[versed summit]

no that was his idea

[solemn otter]

is this good now

[versed summit]

also you don't need any blue mods, just take crit mods

[solemn otter]

wait

how do you say his name again

wait

[versed summit]

also can you show us your CHC/CHD?

[solemn otter]

i forgot what a chc is lol

wait

crit hit chance right

which item?

[cerulean smelt]

the chest, i'd assume is chain killer is usually for something you do an insane amount of headshot damage like with Marksmanrifle or just Rifles or Regulus/side arms

[solemn otter]

yup

its chainkiller. i dont really have the required chest

for me im not really a heroic player

im more of a challenging guy

[versed summit]

get anything with obliterate honest and go from there. optimally Česká Výroba s.r.o

[versed summit]

you're heroic to me

[solemn otter]

no im not

[bright raptor]

well this is good for both Heroic and Challenging if you get the Ceska Obliterate chest

[solemn otter]

Thanks krieger

@bright raptor can you show me the ceska chest

[cerulean smelt]

ceska chest is the Hammer Icon

the obliterate is a fist icon

[steel grove]

@solemn otter the chest piece you have on your build is used with shotguns

[bright raptor]

^^, called the Mechanized Infantry Armor

[solemn otter]

alrighjt

[solemn otter]

I dont have that, any alternatives?

[bright raptor]

start farming for one

[hazy steeple]

For the most part, it's best to call any gear you're talking about in div2 by its brand/gearset/exotic name, and forget any other name it has attached to it.
e.g. "ceska chest".

[steel grove]

and also the green pieces you are using are going to work best with smg's and shotguns

[solemn otter]

alright.

but if i cant get one

any alternates?

[versed summit]

Anything with obliterate

[cerulean smelt]

@solemn otter there's a sheet in the pins that has a list of brand sets

[solemn otter]

tysm guys

[cerulean smelt]

the chest talent you're looking for

[solemn otter]

alrightit

[steel grove]

grupo chest with obliterate

[solemn otter]

alright

[hazy steeple]

There's a mode called "Countdown". As the part you're looking for is available within the PvE zone, you can get it from there.
Just play it on Challenging, and run it for the Chest until you get a near perfect copy.

[solemn otter]

ill check my cache crate (i forgot how it was spelled)

[solemn otter]

alright. noted

[cerulean smelt]

the alternative chest Bam mentioned

[solemn otter]

thank you so much

[hazy steeple]

Grupo is worse for pretty much anything, just an FYI.

Just make sure you run Countdown on Challenging difficulty, the matchmaking should take about 30 seconds to a minute.

[steel grove]

?

[hazy steeple]

I'll let someone else explain this one, my tea is getting cold.

[cerulean smelt]

i think rivens means if you don't reach the ideal CHC 1 grupo won't be useful

[hazy steeple]

Okay nvm it can go cold.

So basically, Ceska is better because reaching the CHC cap by using Brandset/Gearset bonuses on gear+mods on a gun as the main source, means that you can leave more Attribute slots on gear for CHD (critical damage).

[cerulean smelt]

sorry Rivens

[hazy steeple]

It's all good, the topic is weirdly complicated, just like the rest of div2.

[solemn otter]

ikr

[hazy steeple]

Div2 is secretly a game for math nerds, that's the dark secret about this series.
But don't worry, all the math has been done for you. Check out the "spreadsheet 2" that's 📌 pinned in this channel.

[cerulean smelt]

i honestly dont' remember the 2/3/4 hunter's fury stuff aside 4 piece giving marks and killing the marks disorients

[bright raptor]

• damage to shotguns and SMGs,

100% health back on kill (remember Berserk?)

10% armor on kill or something

[cerulean smelt]

and the chest or backpack increases the range those marks goes

[hazy steeple]

2pc is: "15% SMG, and 15% Shotgun dmg"
3pc is: "20% Armor on kill & 50% Health on Kill"

[shy willow]

They nerfed the hok to 50 percent for some reason a while back

[hazy steeple]

If it makes you feel better, they buffed the ever loving heck out of Killer to over compensate.

and that's not even factoring in Dark Winter's 90% buff. (70% on base)

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, decided to look at the sheet

[solar berry]

90% feels a lot better than it was at 50%

Especially on the ol dark winter

[hazy steeple]

I always loved my DW, but 90% is obscene.
It's the new Ouro.

[cerulean smelt]

the backpack definitely increases the radius of it's marking

[hazy steeple]

On a HF build, I'd honestly suggest taking a serious look at Memento.

[solar berry]

More useful than the chest

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, chest is the 30 secs for the stacks instead of 10 secs

[hazy steeple]

Hunters Fury is one of the few sets where you can fairly safely drop both the backpack and chest, and have an arguably stronger build.

[solar berry]

Tru tru

Same with striker depending on how you build it. Mainly for chest

[hazy steeple]

HF: (ceska w/obliterate chest, memento bp)
and your shield has a nice buff to it, even if everything but the BP is Red.

[cerulean smelt]

my striker i'll probably go memento for a change wtih oxpecker

[solar berry]

Memento with striker is a good around build tbh

PvE and PvP content

Obliterate chest… mmm your set tbh

[cerulean smelt]

i don't pvp so it's meh to me in general. but on PTS i went and put that oxpecker on my striker and i've lost my shield 2x because of pure cockiness XD

[hazy steeple]

A ceska oblit chest w/ 2 crit attributes and a base red core is not just for xmas. You will use that on a lot of PvE setups.

Well worth farming out a good copy.

[solar berry]

I ran my PvP build with ox. Feels good with 3 reds ngl. In PvE, it’s not to bad tbh

Striker helps so much with ox smg

[cerulean smelt]

it does and it's ridiculous XD

[solar berry]

Ngl. I could prob add more blues and it will do just fine

[cerulean smelt]

my current strikers + chest, gloves, holster, knees. ceska devil's due backpack, grupo mask

[solar berry]

Tbh… I haven’t ran much clutch since Y1

Kinda hard to build around clutch. Unless you stack so much health and arm on a smg build

[cerulean smelt]

i only got it since my current main is Ourboros and i was trying to make it old Div 1 striker and hoping i can keep myself alive with clutch kind of deal

[solar berry]

I see… I was tryna make an arm regen clutch striker build. so weak compared to div1

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, think we kill them too fast to benefit from clutch so we get let regen on it in general

[solar berry]

Sadly clutch works with more reds than blues… survivability go out of the window

You are fighting for your life more than clutch y1 edition when it based off of crits

Clutch needs a buff 😞

[cerulean smelt]

nods clutch might have to stick to hunter's fury for the survivablity aspect of it

[solar berry]

Also the threshold, I feel like it’s to dam low

[solar berry]

Real

HF or full blown health and arm based smg build.

Atleast more health than ever as priority

[cerulean smelt]

i'd have to see an health/armor regen high end build to figure out that concept

[solar berry]

In PvP. It works wonders, for PvE… it’s meh

Clutch really do need some love. Please devs 😢

Atleast increase the threshold. 15-20% is low asf Ngl. Maybe 30-40% is a decent sweet spot

Or keep it low and make it based off of crits in a way.

[cerulean smelt]

i thought it was based on crit damage regen?

[bright raptor]

Clutch is a (very small) percentage of your total armor

which combined with how it won't regen armor over a certain threshold makes it pretty pathetic

[solar berry]

That’s what I’m saying

Threshold is low asf

[cerulean smelt]

oh right it really is isn't it?
"When you are below 15% (20%) armor, critical hits repair 2.5% of missing armour.
On kill, critical hits repair 2.5% of missing armor for 4 seconds.
Lowest possible repair is 0% armour

Each red core attribute adds 1 second to the time.
Maximum is 10 seconds."

[solar berry]

Especially in PvP. Many people use ARs. As soon they take your arm off… your health is gone in a instant

[solar berry]

Before it was sorely based off of crits. Now it’s on kill

[cerulean smelt]

did they change it again?
swore the other huge difference between normal and perfect. perfect let you get 100% of your armor back

[solar berry]

Perfect is just extra 5% to threshold

[cerulean smelt]

oh interesting

[solar berry]

That’s year 1 clutch

It was purely based off of crits

They can easily revert it and tune it

[cerulean smelt]

ah, that's the difference from what you were saying now we have to get a kill then we can benefit on those crits repairing armor

[solar berry]

Past the threshold yes

That’s how it is now

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i can see if they went with your threshhold it'd still be decent and not too OP

but i could totally see they can take the On kill part and just make it like that just based on crits would still work out too

[solar berry]

Cropped the pic for close up

[cerulean smelt]

i'd even say going to a 25% normal and 50% perfect threshhold wouldn't be too bad

yeah i vaguely remember it being that way, back then me didn't quite understand it. just knew with that and berserk was pretty insane

[solar berry]

I’d say 30/40% max for thresh hold. Or revert back to year one and nerf it abit. So it’s purely based off of crits

But they still can add the red core part as in more arm back with more red cores

Maybe if year 1 again. Each red core is 1% arm or 2 per or less if needed for balancing purposes

If you have 6. That’s 6-12% per crit

Ob you can run a exo bp. So you can’t gain a red with a free blue/yellow.

Minimum I’m asking is: increase threshold abit more,

maximum I’m asking: is last thing I said for revert to Y1 and tune it, meanwhile still having it more use out of red cores

[cerulean smelt]

so maybe that explains why i wasn't seeing much gains from it in general XD

[solar berry]

Yea… your using it to fight for your life to get a kill, just to gain arm back or don’t use it at all

When it got reworked. Almost nobody talks about clutch anymore these days.

[cerulean smelt]

i've noticed XD

[solar berry]

It became to be high pick in Y1. After, trash in PvE, PvP low pick rate… like very low.

It’s a forgotten talent I swear

Buff everything else but clutch

[cerulean smelt]

when did they change darkwinter to 90%?

[solar berry]

Sometime this season I think. Or at release of this season currently. Not the new one in couple weeks

[cerulean smelt]

huh, i think i remember not being too impressed with the number before

[peak sphinx]

I run clutch with the impatient modifier on my striker/elmo. After a kill it heals up reall fast if in close range and even without a kill it makes the last bit of armour hard to fail cus of the repair on crit

But a small clutch buff would deffinitly be nice

[placid latch]

I find Clutch not reliable enough

[peak sphinx]

Its deffinitly not as good as it used to be but it works pretty good for me on sertain builds

I say increase threshold to 35% and let it repair 2,5% (3% perfect version) as its now and duration should be 10sec always and 15/17sec on perfect

[placid latch]

The threshold is really the problem

It's really low

[peak sphinx]

Yep cus you need to be low armour and for ta good duration after kill you want red cores but on a high red core build 15% armour is basicly you're dead

[placid latch]

yeah

I even tried with a Vector (high RPM)

but it's not fast enough to cover the incoming damage

[peak sphinx]

So make duration fixed to remove that problem and increase threshold to make it less tricky

[placid latch]

I would just use Memento over Clutch

you got amp weapon + regen + armor on pick up

[peak sphinx]

Yea you kinda want 3/4 blues or more so you can balance the dmg taken and what gets repaired but that hurts the talent aswell. Its a tricky talent for sure,its so easy to make it OP again but also its hard to not make it just plain bad

If the could make it repair based of dmg then it could be interesting cus then you could use lower rpm guns or even a mmr to heal up a chunk.

But i woud even go as far as to swap all dmg talents to backpacks and all utility/defensive talents to chests so you might need to put a bit more effort in deciding what to use but i know thats a unpopular opinion

[fresh fox]

yea opinion sucks sorry

[peak sphinx]

😆 figured but why you think its bad? We are already OP cus dmg creep (even more so this season with the modifier) so having to think a bit more as to what to pick i dont think is a bad thing.

[solar berry]

Honestly, it just needs a threshold and arm per crit buff. Duration can stay

The small threshold really kills it. For any build

[fresh fox]

it limits people to always have a survivability/defensive talent which would completely get rid of the high damage builds outside of gearsets

[cerulean smelt]

key word, on pick up

[fresh fox]

memento doesn’t give amps either

iirc it’s just AWD

[cerulean smelt]

nods otherwise it'd be BIS in every build out there

[peak sphinx]

With the power gain we have gottennover the years i dont see it being a issue tho. No more GC/vigilance sure but for a mmr build HH alone is enough to 1 tap anything anyways. And as said with the modifiers our dmg already gets a stupid high buff so you wont really notice it. Maybe you wont hit the 1billion cap anymore but hit 90.000.000 with still deletes anything you hit.

But it would require alot of rework wich its far to late in the game to do it.

I liked the idea the had at beginning with requirements for sertain talents but that was to difficult for some to process wich is to bad imo cus yea it needed some tweaking but it was the right idea

[vivid shard]

I wanna get expertise in some underused skills

like bombadier, fireflies, traps

[peak sphinx]

So many talents/brand bonuses are unused cus the just aint good enough so overall there aint that much to choose from if you look at the total available and whats used.(as to what some skills get from expertise lvls)

But i stop cus otherwise i could write 20pages worth of what i would like to see happen

[vivid shard]

idk how to build around em tho

tbh i dont care about the talents and brand bonuses being bad

as long as it's fun

[vivid shard]

please, if you write those 20 pages send them to me

i use ortiz even tho it sucks

[peak sphinx]

Sure i agree if that was the case but most of the "unused ones" aint fun either cus the get outshined by others in both usefulness and fun factor

Or have the same bonus but need more pieces to unlock so yea not happening

[vivid shard]

i like using the burster even tho it has so many weaknesses, how can i maximize its dmg?

it deals explosion and skill dmg btw

[peak sphinx]

Firefly? Just maximise skill/explosive dmg

[fresh fox]

but what about content where you cant use modifers?

people who enjoy that content just suffer?

[vivid shard]

nah there are plenty of builds that can deal a ton of dmg without modifiers

[fresh fox]

nothing is stopping you from dropping a damage talent for survivability with the current system either

[fresh fox]

only gearsets

[peak sphinx]

We have gotten expertise lvls now wich makes more then up for the 1 out of 2 dmg talents might lose (depending on build)

[fresh fox]

but raids/incursion have plenty of moments where those builds arent best

i dont think the true endgame should suffer because you think that we deal enough damage

[vivid shard]

the true endgame?

[peak sphinx]

We did the raids before expertise and it went smooth aswell now we just steamroll it so losing a bit of dmg wont really change that

[fresh fox]

expertise isnt what makes raids easy

[vivid shard]

as long as you have a team who can work together, you can steamroll a raid

[peak sphinx]

Yep

[fresh fox]

and the builds that need both talent slots to be damage make it a ton faster

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i remember struggling level 30 dark hours with people XD

[peak sphinx]

Only ppl who get "hurt" by it are the speedrunners but knowing them the find a way to overcome it

[fresh fox]

yup lets hurt your best players because your worst players feel like it

genius

[vivid shard]

what? no thats not how this works

[fresh fox]

the current talent pool split is perfectly fine

[peak sphinx]

Like i get it but if the build you use needs 2 dmg talents to get by then its more likely a build/skill/playstyle issue ( call it what you want) then you need to go back to drawing board and make it better

[onyx sage]

it's literally the other way around?

if you need to hit a damage breakpoint to one-shot something that's a skill issue?

[vivid shard]

oh no, an internet argument

[shy willow]

there are good talents for survivability but youre always gonna have to trade dps for it

[vivid shard]

im getting outta here

[onyx sage]

not an airport buddy

[fresh fox]

bye!

[cerulean smelt]

quit riot foam FanofGames27 so they can't leave!

[shy willow]

anyway clutch is unfortunately garbo

definitely needs a buff

[peak sphinx]

Close to garbo atm yea sadly

[fresh fox]

but if you force everyone to use it its good now dont worry

[onyx sage]

this is always the perspective problem, you don't see how high level players look at all the stuff in this game and settle on these choices, so you assume they can just be comfortable picking the choices you think are best

[peak sphinx]

Whats a high lvl player in you're eyes?

[onyx sage]

world record holders

[peak sphinx]

Ok so most raid completions/fastest times etc

[fresh fox]

and solo legendary pros

[onyx sage]

i also didn't mean you specifically btw, i was addressing fanofgames

[fresh fox]

anyone else unless they know math or something is NOOB.

[onyx sage]

at least you have more perspective on these runs

[fresh fox]

not really but like kinda

[peak sphinx]

And to think that the would be unable to continue with that if the lose GC/vigi combo or spotter/vigi combo is just not right

[cerulean smelt]

i think they left the server

[onyx sage]

no they're here

[fresh fox]

yes because the builds needed to beat or compete with these times become a lot worse

[onyx sage]

it's all about whether they actually take enough damage or not to even need survivability talents or talents that don't have risk of not being procced due to damage

in speedruns, you don't take much damage or know how to bypass enemy attacks

so you might as well take the best talents that have these risks, knowing these risks don't happen

[peak sphinx]

Yep and like always when stuff get shaken up the find work arounds so i dont see it being a issue for them really

[onyx sage]

well you NEED to hit damage breakpoints

vigilance is a very big bonus, so is GC

i don't think you know just how big 30% is

[peak sphinx]

I know

But we did that already before expertise so now with the 27%wpn dmg extra compared to before expertise its not that much of a dmg loss

[onyx sage]

expertise 27% is not the same as GC 30%

one adds to weapon damage the other is amp

[peak sphinx]

I know but it wont make you shoot peas as you make it sound

[onyx sage]

the 27% from expertise is equivalent to less than 15% in amp

well do you know how much headroom you need to sacrifice a few talents or two? this varies per encounter

we can be here all day looking at boss HP and then look at our one-shot damage potential to see what buffs we can take off

[peak sphinx]

As said before the find a way and now picking risky talents cus the know the risk aint happening then just gets a bit more risky

[shy willow]

at the highest level its minmax city i dont think theres often room to be taking defence or utility talents

[onyx sage]

have you done one-shots?

[peak sphinx]

In DH yea

[onyx sage]

have you taken other talents than damage to do those?

[peak sphinx]

With ND so already down backpack talent and team makes it possible with their skill procs

[onyx sage]

you don't use ND on lucy buddy

[peak sphinx]

Honestly dont think it would not be possible anymore

[onyx sage]

have you one-shot those

[peak sphinx]

Nope not them we just burned em down with dps

[fresh fox]

every one shot is still possible

[peak sphinx]

Takes few sec

[onyx sage]

well you can one-shot them

you need enough damage

[fresh fox]

and you already need a ton of buffs in a speedrun scenario

[shy willow]

the amount of buffs on fieser one shot is diabolical

[fresh fox]

especially nowadays

[onyx sage]

diamondback makes it so easy from what i watched from loststar

[fresh fox]

it’s still hard because you need more buffs

your shooter needs to busy bee swap, bloody knuckles build swap

[onyx sage]

yeah it's just no more gambling

[fresh fox]

the whole thing

makes running that raid so much better

[peak sphinx]

Feel like we gotten stuck on speedrun wich i still highly doubt the wont be able to overcome it,but all the other stuff in the game and how limited stuff is used cus its just bad or not worth it. Make ppl theorycraft a bit more like the old days. Its a looter shooter but so much loot/talents aint worth it atm cus there is a better choice always

[shy willow]

people still theorycraft but inevitably its not gonna beat what we already have

games been out a long time and there hasnt been much added to compete

[fresh fox]

we have not

[peak sphinx]

So many backpack talents atm would become so much more interesting if the would be on chests

[fresh fox]

only dark hours is basically unbeatable

[fresh fox]

they will make perfect versions that swap them over eventually 😀

look at perfect companion

[onyx sage]

would like to see more swaps

[peak sphinx]

Yea wich is stuck on a specific chest so not much variation on that but its a small step in right direction

[onyx sage]

curious to see like a perfect headhunter with perfect GC

finally i'd be able to answer "does GC amp HH"

for science.

[shy willow]

is headhunter not in a descent pool

[peak sphinx]

Everything for science! 😆

[onyx sage]

no

[shy willow]

rip

[vocal flax]

Here is my old regen build i used to run on confilct. I want to know if i can make it better and know what actually makes that build a regen build

[peak sphinx]

But example bloodsucker would be on chest so easy bonus armour and stack it with lets say memento.

Or calculated on chest to help skill CD

[peak sphinx]

Only "regen" you have is from chest (1%) and the catharsis when it procs. (And maybe the blue attribute rolls if the are armour regen)

Many roll HS dmg and regen on every piece and use gila/golan/belstone(or catharsis). And then ofcourse the bighorn if you go hs dmg

[normal reef]

Hey guys. After of bit of grinding ive reached lvl 40 as advised so now, what specialization do i take as im going for a healer build and what do i do in general? all advice is apreciated

[shy willow]

generally for healer you want survivalist

there are cases where having tech will save you though

[peak sphinx]

Technician for a free skill tier is good when lower lvl so you can spec 1 core into dmg/armour. But in the end survivalist is best

Wichever of the 2 you like best id say both have pro and cons compared with eachother

[normal reef]

i dont know what i like most. its my first time playing

i was lvl 30 yesterday 😅

[peak sphinx]

Well how did you play during you're journey to lvl 40? Aggressive/from cover/skills/?

[normal reef]

from cover and with skills

[cerulean smelt]

all they're saying try both and find what suits your playstyle

[normal reef]

ill try survivalist since technician is locked for me. will it unlock eventually?

[cerulean smelt]

if you do the stages for it yes

believe most like survivalist because of the damage to status effected targets? since the goto is 4pc Future Initiative, was it setup backpack for the perfect oppportunistic an Scorpio all makes the players do a crap ton of damage. although scorpio seemed to change needing more shots than it used to be

[candid idol]

GUYS NEED HELP

[cerulean smelt]

i'm beyond help