td2-build-advice

[formal kraken]

Does anyone have any good builds for Waveform or BTSU Datagloves? Preferably for Solo play and/or incursions

[bright raptor]

Waveform works on turret drone, this build is useless in incursions

BTSU datagloves work great with the Future Initiative setup but only some incursion encounters or team comps use a healer

[hazy steeple]

For Incursions, you're unfortunately pretty much going to be locked to the "meta kill" build, which at the moment is a full-red Strikers.
99% of teams will throw you out if you bring something else.

[formal kraken]

Yeah that's what I normally run, I just want to shift it up a bit. Even if it's not Incursion viable, I still want a couple builds because I like the exotics and want to use them, but they're currently just sitting there collecting dust

[formal kraken]

I think I've seen the turret drone one before, but not the other

[hazy steeple]

Heroic missions will absolutely take off-meta setups, they're pretty much the "standard" difficulty, and if you want some pre-made alternate setups, the 📌 pinned-message in this chanel has a spreadsheet with a few, all Heroic-tier.

[formal kraken]

Oh, I'll take a look at that, tyvm

[magic pilot]

You always run a healer on wright and lovers unless you are running some weird duos or something

[spring otter]

hello, can i check anyone with a full yellow build(max skill tier) + max skill haste(mod + attribute). what are your cooldowns for assault turret and striker drone.
mine currently are 10.7s and 11.4s

i wanna check how much more lower i can go or the lowest possible cooldown for assault turret and striker drone

[shy willow]

dont bother

the cooldowns are super low anyway

[vestal ibex]

Most run PFE mods cause you don't need more cooldown.

#ask-td2-community message This the same build?

[shy willow]

lines up

[cerulean smelt]

the dodge city holster throws me off on this build

[shy willow]

this ones centurion

[cerulean smelt]

oh they put in another exotic holster?

[shy willow]

ye

[cerulean smelt]

all i remember was waveform, that one that sets people on fire hwen they get close and dodge city

[shy willow]

ye this one came out just this season

[vestal ibex]

My next question would be do they even care about build advice at this point.

[covert meadow]

Is the build above for openworld, pve content or is that for pvp

[cerulean smelt]

from the picture i can see the exotic holster, probably eagle's grasp? not sure what those brands do

[shy willow]

if i were to give real advice on that itd be dont spec into headshot on an smg build and replace walker, legatus, zwia with crit brands or something

oh in pvp you want blues

all red builds get folded insanely fast

[vestal ibex]

PVP you aren't gonna make use of optimal range.

Also dark winter with on kill buff isn't gonna help you swapping all the time.

[shy willow]

you can check the pvp guide in the pinned spreadsheet

[vestal ibex]

New holster is okay, it's not that great tho.

[shy willow]

its funny as a budget lonestar

coyote is even less thinking

youre free to take it into the dz to put it to the test but it wont last long at all if you get shot

[solar sable]

You can turn off/toggle a setting that says "Show mask".

[vestal ibex]

Yeah all that swapping just takes away from your damage anyway.

Yeah then you are throwing away other damage potential.

[shy willow]

especially in pvp burst damage is everything

[solar sable]

bruh

[shy willow]

my fault bruh i mustve misinterpreted

[vestal ibex]

Jokes have punch lines.

Dude you say it's PVP people take that at face value

Should we just consider everything is a lie?

Tone indicators exist fyi

This guy is crazy /s

[shy willow]

bruh

youd be surprised

builds that are good in one can be shit in the other its good to clarify

[vestal ibex]

You don't even want help do you. Please don't waste peoples time, they care about this game and wanna help people.

[magic pilot]

Gee thanks, not a communist

[brisk hollow]

Is technician the best specialty for a skill build?

[magic pilot]

Depends if you need the extra skill tier or not

[tulip charm]

Depends on the skill

[brisk hollow]

I see. I want to do damage. ( Turret I guess )

[magic pilot]

You mean coyotes mask or the pvp guide

[tulip charm]

yeah again depends on the skill

oh then yeah

[shy willow]

for example nobody would run this in pvp but in pve its great

[tulip charm]

If you tried hard enough and play against the worst players imaginable then anything can be a pvp build.

[brisk hollow]

Thank you

[tulip charm]

yw

[shy willow]

sir the pvp community is all just min max sweats

[gloomy spruce]

Thank you for posting this. I would like to see more builds if you have them.

[magic pilot]

There's a guy on ps5 who runs full purple builds and gets manhunts

[tulip charm]

Exactly

[magic pilot]

It's so funny, seeing the builds he fights are crazy

[tulip charm]

Arent purple at lv 40 have the same attribute stats but lower armor values?

[shy willow]

wtf

[tulip charm]

Based

[cerulean smelt]

i thought purples were the ones that was like 1ish away from being max values?

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[broken edge]

they naturally have lower stats than high ends

[magic pilot]

^

[broken edge]

of course a purple with 11% weapon damage is better than a 3% weapon damage high end

it would just be odd to find that

[tulip charm]

I would like someone to optimize an purple piece then

thx

[magic pilot]

You can't

[shy willow]

glass glass cannon build

[magic pilot]

Only recal

[shy willow]

rip runs dead

[tulip charm]

Oh rip then

[gloomy spruce]

I run something similar. I just use a wyvern piece instead of the wave form. Do you have any tank builds?

[tulip charm]

pretty much alot of peoples first build

xd

[shy willow]

i remember struggling with the anderson manhunt in my early days because i never made the jump to chal at that point

turret drone felt so broken at that time lol

[magic pilot]

@lean loom

[vestal ibex]

Raucey did it tho... He has 2 of them.

[shy willow]

is this an optimised versatile build

[tulip charm]

wtf

[vestal ibex]

Like REALLY min maxed too

[shy willow]

woah

[tulip charm]

I forget Raucey is super based

[vestal ibex]

But he did it while the crafting bug like last patch so kinda cheating.

[tulip charm]

Oh

honestly a flex

[magic pilot]

Breh it's a swap build

[vestal ibex]

I'd say if you don't hit 80% headshots you are wasting your time being on HSD

[magic pilot]

I mean we can find out...

[shy willow]

swankiest purples ive seen

[magic pilot]

Spotter, with sharpshooter lol

[urban latch]

thats my alt thats not maxed and I got together my farming normal/hard summit lol

[magic pilot]

Lame

What a poser

[fresh fox]

the drone

[onyx sage]

get im

[urban latch]

Ive done multiple raids with that purple shd100 character though lol

[onyx sage]

you should stream more raucey

[magic pilot]

Seriously he should

What?

[vestal ibex]

He could stream our incursion speeds ez

[shy willow]

unfortunately thats not how maths works

[onyx sage]

you're forgetting to factor in critical damage

[bold leaf]

That's not how it works though

[tulip charm]

bro is trying to cook up something

[onyx sage]

so you're saying you could be doing 50% more damage, not by going with crit but by shooting 3 mags' worth of bullets instead of 2 mags. this is equivalent to having around 83.33% crit damage

well unfortunately a typical crit build has a lot higher crit damage

and that's also not taking into account you're taking more time shooting 3 mags instead of 2

[fresh fox]

tell em champ

[onyx sage]

it is 60%

if the fact that you are taking more time to shoot more bullets (assuming the same rpm) isn't true to you then this discussion is moot anyway

[vestal ibex]

wat?

[bold leaf]

Do you think that you can fire two mags all crit and then the third has no crit? Is that what I'm reading?

Thereby 60% of three mags having crits?

[fresh fox]

i don’t even know anymore

[onyx sage]

no let's just assume that he says that on average

i can kind of see his point, but he is undervaluing crit damage

okay you're not helping us, but are you saying "with a 60% crit chance, around 1 mag out of 3 has non-crits"?

this is true lol

the game doesn't compute what bullet will crit beforehand what?

[bold leaf]

But that is exactly what happens. Each round has a 60% chance of being a crit

[vestal ibex]

Bro if this was how chance worked I'd be gambling like crazy

[magic pilot]

The crit dmg way over compensates for being capped at 60

[bold leaf]

No

[onyx sage]

no, the game rolls that chance every hit lol

if i take your logic i can even simplify it and say "after i shoot 2 crits, my next shot will never crit"

[broken edge]

chance is per shot

[magic pilot]

Considering the best players in the game have a 15% overall headshot rating I would take that into account as well

[onyx sage]

which is completely absurd

[vestal ibex]

on hit it'll be 60/40

[broken edge]

in large stance it will avarage out to 60% of your total shots being crits

[shy willow]

fire off a a couple mags in the range and youll see the amount of crits fluctuates

[broken edge]

you can have abnormal luck and get 8/10 shots being a crit

[onyx sage]

yes

[vestal ibex]

yes

[broken edge]

thats how it works

[onyx sage]

did you take statistics in high school btw?

[vestal ibex]

Hence some people talk of crit luck sometimes.

[onyx sage]

because you wouldn't be saying this otherwise

[vestal ibex]

There are times you'll hit 20 crits in a row and other you don't crit 20 times in a row.

[polar condor]

look at it this way:
you shoot one bullet after another..
1st shot: 60% chance it's a crit.
2nd shot: 60% chance it's a crit.
3rd shot: 60% chance it's a crit.
you get it

[vestal ibex]

It's probably shared at this point.

[fresh fox]

we are just trying to help :(

[onyx sage]

you don't like us proving you wrong?

[magic pilot]

You thought wrong 🎉

[fresh fox]

it’s ok we are here for you though

[onyx sage]

just take samples of your crits in game and prove to yourself

your crit chance varies a lot, but it tends to hover around that crit chance

[magic pilot]

Shoot 3 mags at a dummy in the range with 60% chc

Count how many crit

[fresh fox]

i can’t count that high

[onyx sage]

it's the law of large numbers. that crit chance is only an expected value, because for each bullet the game rolls that chance

[magic pilot]

And then do it 100 times

[shy willow]

sir

[onyx sage]

but as you shoot more bullets, the real crit chance tends towards that crit chance on your build

[fresh fox]

that’s a lot

[gloomy spruce]

I simply calculate crit like this. (Crit chance x Crit damage). Whatever the possibility to crit actually is will create a multiplier that will eventually even everything out. So if it is CHC 60 and CHD 200, then the overall crit damage bonus is 120 on top of regular damage.

An overall damage increase like that on a rapidly firing weapon is significant.

[onyx sage]

that's a bit more complex but i was about to get to that eventually. that's the "average crit damage"

but just convince yourself that the game rolls the crit chance on every bullet first because that's fundamental

test in the game for however long you want for that

[vestal ibex]

The more you test the closer it'll get to 60%

[onyx sage]

^ assuming you have 60%

[fresh fox]

too many nerds you guys scared him off

[shy willow]

ill never escape maths

[gloomy spruce]

He hadn't posted in a few minutes so I think he was scared already. 😦

RIP

Math is the great intimidator of us all.

[onyx sage]

or he's taking my advice and testing in game

[vestal ibex]

idk having something you fundamentally thought about the game be wrong might make you reconsider a lot.

[onyx sage]

you never know

[gloomy spruce]

Math is the true enemy of the public

[onyx sage]

my wife is still testing in game right now, i trust

[shy willow]

[magic pilot]

Dw about the dark winter headshot build, he has a 9% hsd rating we are good

[vestal ibex]

oh no...

[fresh fox]

DUDE.

don’t expose bro.

[vestal ibex]

I'ma look up comptons now

OOF

[onyx sage]

that means for every 99 shots he hit on the body he is guaranteed to hit 1 shot on the head

[magic pilot]

Better than yours lmao @fresh fox

[onyx sage]

his cursor just automatically zooms to the head

[fresh fox]

UNNAMED MISSION does that to someone

it glitched

[onyx sage]

therefore determined is a hs rating booster

[fresh fox]

i just like using oxi guys

all the time

in every activity

[vestal ibex]

I think all my IH runs are dropping it lower rip

[magic pilot]

Probably

[onyx sage]

do legendary guys.

get your hs rating up.

[solar sable]

sir

[vestal ibex]

This mean you'll come play div with us?

[onyx sage]

i just remembered my house is located in a dangerous zone in California

[gloomy spruce]

I thought you lived in Norway

[drowsy shuttle]

hi, is there a build for deflect shield ?

[tulip charm]

@shy willow

[bold leaf]

Where do you see hs stats? I can see total headshots but not accuracy etc

[vestal ibex]

ISSAC bot. We have a server we visit for this.

[bold leaf]

Oh ok thanks

[magic pilot]

Careful, some people are touchy about naming it now apparently

[neat skiff]

does the selling then buyback to get rid of the optimization also work for removing the replacement tag too?

[fresh fox]

wtf thats a thing

[neat skiff]

apparently so according to someone here yesterday

[fresh fox]

neat

[neat skiff]

I don't have enough materials to do any optimizations so I can't really try it myself, but idk if it works for the stat replacement

[fresh fox]

oh

[cerulean smelt]

i'm curious about that prospect

[neat skiff]

ill give it a shot once i hit a checkpoint floor

[cerulean smelt]

optimization thing. is it just so one can optimize to max stat. sell the item then buy it back and put the max stat in our library?

[neat skiff]

No idea!

[drowsy shuttle]

anything ?

[cerulean smelt]

i've seen a build long time ago, but when i tried it i wasn't as impressed with it

so yes, you can optimize an item. sell it and buy it back and have no opimization tag on it, but it didn't keep the optimized amount i put in it

[neat skiff]

oof

[cerulean smelt]

yeah XD, i was like 1 optimization away from max

[magic pilot]

It doesn't

[cerulean smelt]

it does remove the optimization marker, just resets the gear to what it was before optimizing

[sudden cloak]

Bloody knuckles is 25% amp DMG yeah?

[vestal ibex]

Total weapon damage.

[drowsy shuttle]

how to get " improvised " stuff ?

[sudden cloak]

Craft it at the crafting table

[drowsy shuttle]

and its only random bonus ?

[vestal ibex]

All the rainbows

[sudden cloak]

Yup

All the cores and attributes

[strong cave]

anything better i can do about this build?

all crit ofc

[vestal ibex]

Aside of debate of the backpack talent it's pretty good yo.

[cerulean smelt]

for me i'd say change the BP talent

on kill talents kind of seems weak to me in general

but if it works for you, then shouldn't need much tweaking XD

like that must make golden bullet much easier

i for one can't find a replacement for 3pc providence, 1 grupo, fox's and flavor of weapon brand

[magic pilot]

That's not what I said.

It doesn't remove recalibrations

[magic pilot]

Solid

Strega is interesting but it's good enough to not need to change tbh

[strong cave]

for instant damage i could easily go glass + vigi but this one allows for just stacking damage. the damage is already high enough

i like having 100% uptime on damage 😎

[cerulean smelt]

wasn't following the whole conversation i just saw something about wondering if selling and buying back something that was optimized in the question. i tried it, it works but the item goes back to it's default once you buy it back
reclaibrating i can see not resetting it though so

[strong cave]

forgot to reply to this, but found that modifier play feels more fun than bullet king since you can set it up to act as bullet king anyways. builds like this thrive in any distance and ive been playing Long range anyways

[fresh fox]

go for 3pc prov so you can use pgc instead 🥶🥶🥶

keep coyote contractor fox

[fresh fox]

if you have no other source of total weapon damage basically yea

[strong cave]

might just try out ol reliable

also, enjoy this crazy ass conflict healer build 😭 😂

[fresh fox]

looking for fi/cav!!!

[strong cave]

nah having 1.7m armor on a healer build is just wrong 😭 esp unbreakable

i basically dont die

[fresh fox]

yea but then you are just a heal bot

nice to have some buffs

[strong cave]

I typically run healer and then I have three people run umbra

Typically only with two Blu

[fresh fox]

my point still stands

[strong cave]

I have a future initiative set up

Will have to post that since it's on my other character

What's the future initiative and cavalier kind of setup like?

[sudden cloak]

I only ask cause a friend was saying it was additive weapon DMG so centurions holster was better and I could've swore it was amp dmg

[fresh fox]

centurions is the one that is additive

[sudden cloak]

Yeah, I went to firing range and tested the numbers between centurions and bloody using Oreo, and bloody gives an extra 170k more DMG to the body I believe but ofc there's also the fire rate from centurions too

[onyx sage]

better to ask here for what stat something gives, compton knows all of them

[sullen sun]

Does anyone have a healer build for PvP?

[fresh fox]

including strikers now

[onyx sage]

point and laugh

[magic pilot]

at least run empathic and a gun with sledge

[magic pilot]

3 fi, ninja, 1 foundary, brazos chest with empathic

technician

[strong cave]

I have a dupe chest with empathic, and I have a backup Kard Kustom with sledge. I run that setup for maximum survivability

[strong cave]

how's the repair skills on that?

[magic pilot]

its pretty good, not sure on exact number

FI gives a ton of healing

[strong cave]

My goofy ass setup has like 320 ish repair skills (I think?? Somebody math it)

I love future's talent for healing and benefits but the survivability feels so low on it

[magic pilot]

mine is still 1.5 armor

[strong cave]

Smart PvP'ers know to target healers and that's usually what I run against. Also, same for my armor on my FI setup

Mine is 3 PC future, Picaros or reg Brazos holster, and murakami chest with empathic or unbreakable (+ NB backpack)

[magic pilot]

the foundary helps a lot

[strong cave]

Foundry and Ninjabike is such a good combo. Used to run this weird ninjabike bonus setup for pvp dark zone and the damage was nice for what it was. Issue was it specialized great for armor and damage but the lack of a backpack talent makes it ass

I think it was 1pc W+H, Picaros, ninjabike, 1 PC foundry, 1 PC fenris and 1 PC heartbreaker

Cores were mixed a lil bit. I have the pieces of the build I'll have to find it in my build notes

[fresh fox]

i do chillout instead of the foundry

more repair skills and still a decent chunk of health

[magic pilot]

yea thats decent

[teal walrus]

I looked at the spreadsheet, maybe I missed it. Anyone have a good hazpro dps build ? Preferably utilizing ninja bike

[urban latch]

For pvp?

[shy willow]

I run ninja, 1 Brazos 3 foundry everything skill damage but the foundry pieces are just a placeholder for refactor

Empathic on the chest and the last piece is flex

Been trying forge and Hana u and stuff

Technician, artificer, kard custom with in sync

Can be quite funny but refactor could actually make it good

[teal walrus]

yes for pvp, but in a scenario POV i’ll be 1 of 3 dps with our 4th being a healer. So i’m needing some hazpro dps.

[urban latch]

check the pvp guide, pretty sure theres something in there

if not yell at @magic pilot

[magic pilot]

There is hazpro smg

Backfire would be good on that now tbh

[onyx sage]

rip mr. crit non-believer... 😔

[teal walrus]

i’ll look thanks, maybe i can implement lady death or chatterbox

[sullen sun]

Fi?

[magic pilot]

LD is decent, measured vector the way to go imo

[magic pilot]

Future initiative you know this

[sullen sun]

Thought so

[shy willow]

🪦

[lyric jungle]

with sniper build you need weapon handling right??

[versed summit]

No, it’s just the best thing to take after you can’t take headshot anywhere else

[dreamy valve]

Backfire has been pretty powerful with the Golden Bullet event, and I'd like to know if I should switch out the Striker backpack for a Ceska Backpack with Vigilance or not:

[urban latch]

Do yourself a favor and lose the haz pro

[lyric jungle]

well shit

[urban latch]

If your using striker chest you absolutely want the striker backpack. If anything lose the striker chest depending on what your doing.

[versed summit]

why lol?

[versed summit]

IMO the vigi bag is only really worth it if you want to run a glass chest, or you really want the up front damage.

[lyric jungle]

already looted 2/3 of my loot for a sniper build and put weapon handling on holdster and knee pad and hd on the rest

[onyx sage]

maybe one day he will be here

[versed summit]

Well you can recalibrate them again

[dreamy valve]

Just tested it at the range. If I use the backpack with Vigilance, I’ll be doing about 100k more damage per shot at max stacks. So yeah it comes down to if I can avoid getting hit as much as possible to prevent the damage drop

Now, I don’t have a ceska chest with haz pro yet, but when I can get one, I’ll switch it out and test it again

[bright raptor]

I'm guessing that for Creeping Death and foam, status effects is the priority roll?

[shy willow]

Yep

[topaz spear]

do they "perfect" rolls on a weapon say perfect? May be a dumb question but I've seen a couple talents with the word perfect in it and thought I'd ask

[shy willow]

Perfect talents/unique attributes are locked to their attached named item

But yeah it specifies perfect and the text is gold

[dreamy valve]

Yes, perfect is beyond god

[hexed steppe]

youll also want stability mods on the mmr. between stability mods first, then handling rolls on gear till you hit 100% stability. no scope sway when you ads, once you hit 100% .

[topaz spear]

So it's only on the named items

[lyric jungle]

Perfect ty!

[hexed steppe]

the attributes wont say perfect, but they will show up with gold writing and either be unique or above average rolls, like this whitedeath, above average roll

[shy willow]

You can post screenshot of the build itself too

Oh so like this build is for clearing stuff asap

You have hazard immune build?

[visual python]

I'm using a 4 piece striker build. What's good for healing?

[placid latch]

not taking damage first

probably a shield

and maybe Armor on Kill

[shy willow]

So it's like super good or something

You can solo a legendary and then post up the end result screen to shut people up

?

Good legendary clear times are very well respected

[shy willow]

^

It's no use claiming builds are meta if they won't clear the hardest content

[subtle bluff]

Agreed. I'd respect someone that solo clear legendary on a non-stacking build a good amount.

People can beat there chest all they want.

[shy willow]

Like I'd consider myself a decent player but even I haven't done a leggy solo yet

Takes a lot of practice

[subtle bluff]

I can clear most of then I drop the ball at the end.

[shy willow]

The last run I tried I died in the drug lab

[visual python]

Yea I got a palisade holster with an additional armor on kill mod. Need to find better one with max armor stat, and then go for max armor on kill mod. Countdown shall see me tomorrow though, getting late as hell.

[onyx sage]

do yourself a favor and ditch the armor on kill mods. their values are so miniscule you would rather just put a crit mod on instead

keep the palisade, the 10% aok is strong

[drowsy shuttle]

I can speedrun legendary, at dying

[shy willow]

Eating concrete any%

[visual python]

I'll try that out. Really just relies on me landing crits to put npc's down fast enough.

[onyx sage]

yeah, this game really favors killing fast, but really it's just how the aok value on mods are so low is what makes them so shit

like let's say you're full red at 700k. the mods are like 2% each, and it gets worse the more armor you have

they don't scale unlike the % aok like palisade

[visual python]

Ahhhh ok.

They way I play I tend to move and shot with the shield in front. Once that depletes, I just play the peak shooting game, throw a hive, and rinse and repeat.

[onyx sage]

i would just increase your damage by using crit mods

yeah i know. personally i'm fine with just the 20% aok from hunters fury or 10% from gunner, but that's just me

not saying you should be forgoing palisade or gunner, those are great, just that aok mods are just... really bad 😔

the beauty of aok is that it's dependent on your time to kill, so if you kill fast, you get more value out of aok itself

basically just run crit mods and let your spec or your brands give you % aok

[visual python]

Yea I just maxed out the flamethrower so I'm going for the gunner next. I may just stick with gunner anyway.

[onyx sage]

if you're playing hyperaggressive firewall is chef's kiss

the shield buffs your damage and is tankier than the crusader

[visual python]

I only picked flamethrower because I was new to the game. Been at it for like 2, maybe 3 weeks now.

[onyx sage]

yeah it's really good for close battles

but you can't go wrong with gunner, it works everywhere

[boreal ingot]

Just try Bluescreen with ongoing directive, I enjoy it so much especially against Black Tusk dog, I felt like I can infinitely jamming the dog over and over XD

[solar sable]

recycling questions, is killer on Lexi the best option?

[hoary sail]

i have 100% hazard for hunter only with éclipse protocol nd foam

[brisk hollow]

I'd say yes, but that is my opinion.

[shy willow]

Rng and on kill so I wouldn't say best

Strained, fast hands, measured all good

[fair dragon]

Bigger flex is to find them in the open world, which I have a set of

[magic pilot]

He's talking about souless

[shy willow]

Oops

[urban latch]

That just has to be a troll lol

[vestal ibex]

idm at this point. These clips are something else. Lincoln memorial [clip](#td2-build-advice message) of 4 guys struggling to kill with GB active is something for sure.

[urban latch]

WITH golden bullet....

[shy willow]

Golden BB

[vestal ibex]

Naval you should offer to go play with them and give us after action reports.

[hazy steeple]

Just a reminder that Rule 12 is a thing, so keep it nice, y'all.

[tulip charm]

That guy is quite the character

[versed summit]

🗣️

[hazy steeple]

That agent would look pretty good in high-heels, it's true.

[hoary sail]

very special i think

[shy willow]

What's your advice for tank builds

[covert meadow]

Tank builds with fire power

[shy willow]

I've been trying one but I think it's missing the secret sauce

[hazy steeple]

Naval, blink twice if you're being held hostage.

[vestal ibex]

Did you not see the GWH clip? idk where he posted it.

[hazy steeple]

@vestal ibex I see enough horrible things in the filter list, without adding to it.

[shy willow]

Work in progress

[vestal ibex]

Ehh this is funny stuff tho.

[covert meadow]

See naval that's what I want to be able to do

[shy willow]

I've got in sync on my kard now so it's doing a bit better

For some weird reason the damage from the deflector doesn't proc the other buff even though it's skill damage

Something to do with it being a shield probably

Thinking maybe spike might be better in that case

[shy willow]

It's quite fun when you're not getting flanked

Plan on switching bulwark for refactor when it comes out

I am determined to make the deflector good

[magic pilot]

"WHAT ARE YOU AIMING ATTTT?!"

It's a meme I'm not being mean, don't ban me

[shy willow]

Damn your hive heals for a lot

[magic pilot]

Did you just buy that mask?

Well no but yes

I'm so confused now

[shy willow]

Oh appearance mods

[hazy steeple]

Fum?

[shy willow]

Fee?

[vestal ibex]

GMO?

[magic pilot]

Yea that's not what I meant

It's ok though

[hazy steeple]

Okay enough memes, this is still a channel for advice about builds in div2.

[urban latch]

I thought this was the trolling channel now?

[hazy steeple]

That was mostly related to the since deleted request to post their spotify playlist.
Ya know, sometimes I can't believe what I have to type on here.

[magic pilot]

wtf spotify lmao

@lean loom seriously though I think you should look at the pinned google sheet to see some of the builds people have made

[versed summit]

more than pictures

it gives a lot of explanations for that

[magic pilot]

There is super in depth guides

[shy willow]

Should I start with 5.11 and gila

[versed summit]

well have fun

[shy willow]

I think I've gone wrong

[hazy steeple]

You're going to have to explain what all this slang is supposed to mean, because google is failing me.

[magic pilot]

To be honest with you, your builds are kind of a mess. It resembles random gear thrown together. There's not a lot of synergy.

[shy willow]

To tank builds yes

[hazy steeple]

A bighorn and a liberty on the same build?

Honestly can not say I thought of that combo.

[fresh fox]

noted.

[hazy steeple]

Don't take this the wrong way, but does your entire "tank" part of your tank build, just rely on the Liberty?

[urban latch]

Frankie are you familiar with the dunning kruger effect?

[shy willow]

Ah so those are good exotics for tanks

[hazy steeple]

Where did you get this information from?

And in what part of 2019 was it posted?

Practice, a good knowledge basis, and experience.

Div2 is a game about math. You know those games you played at school if you went in the early 2000's? Div2 is basically an updated version of that, with more war crimes.

Think of it like a building. If the foundation is made of sand, the higher it gets, the more unstable it becomes.

[magic pilot]

That's the best thing I've ever seen you say @hazy steeple

[shy willow]

True wisdom

[magic pilot]

You should post a video showing all your builds on the first character

[shy willow]

Could help me get some insight into tank builds

[stable tree]

^

I also want to start tanking, this would be a good start for me

[shy willow]

I think the time has come for tanks to stop being a laughing stock

? We're being genuine

[stable tree]

Oh, wait - fr?

[hazy steeple]

@lean loom You need to tone down the attitude.

[shy willow]

What's cuz

[hazy steeple]

Slang for "cousin", I think.

This is all very "youth".

[stable tree]

Honestly, I understand him, too many trolls around here tbh

Like, I genuinely didn't know about the health scaling with the shield

[shy willow]

Fr

[vestal ibex]

More build advice and less nails to your coffin might be smart at this point.

[stable tree]

It's alright frankie, we stand with you

Damn ...

[versed summit]

not cool...

[stable tree]

My bad bro

[hazy steeple]

I genuinely was having fun there for a bit, that's a shame.

[stable tree]

But, but ... the shield knowledge transfer ...

Damn ... now I can never start tanking

[urban latch]

well I have a new nickname for souless now

[hazy steeple]

You'll just have to settle for actually useful info. I know, it's a shame.

[stable tree]

😢

[vestal ibex]

I'd post the gif I just sent Raucey but I'm not looking for a ban.

[gloomy spruce]

If we are talking tank builds. I have this one. I have several variants for it as well.

This one offers just shy of 50 PFE, 70 Hazpro, 80 Explosive resist, 3% armor regen and the pretty powerful Shocker Elmo combo.

It is completely immune to being shocked as well.

I use it to kill rogues when playing solo in PvE

I have variants of it with Pointman, a protector backpack, a galvanize backpack, 60% PFE and 4% armor regen.

Yes of course, I have the regular old red striker builds and whatnot, but doesn't everyone have those these days.

Pls keep that in mind before you flame me with "Uh, a full red striker build does more damage"

[plush field]

anyone got nice build for ravenous?

[onyx sage]

Uh, a full red striker build does more damage

[gloomy spruce]

They all do

😦

Guys if no one comes up with a ravenous build, I might just post an off meta ninjabike build...

None of us want that

[tulip charm]

you know what just do that then

[urban latch]

best build for it is just the standard high end dps build

[plush field]

striker?

[vestal ibex]

'standard high end DPS'

[brazen valley]

anyone know a good xp farm with a goode build to go with it?

[vestal ibex]

It's golden bullet currently so just slap a righ ROF weapon on strikers and go brrrrr

Otherwise wait for xp events for when they come, 3x and 5x.

[hazy steeple]

@brazen valley As for the xp farm: there's a guide 📌 pinned over in #ask-td2-community.

[dreamy valve]

no one uses Ravenous enough to dedicate a loadout slot for it

except for that 1% players who play raid

[vestal ibex]

Idk man you can use that build to hit stuff for like 400-500 mil if you got an armored thing and hit the crit/mark out in open world and such.

Totally worth /s

[ripe steppe]

i came back to the division 2 after dropping it off after the new york dlc. could anyone give me a brief guied of where to go next after that dlc

[solar berry]

I had a build for ravenous while ago… don’t have a pic of it. Have to rebuild it again lol

[vestal ibex]

Take rifle build and put rav on it. Boom.

[gloomy spruce]

@plush field Something like this:
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKhAsA2EAGFbUfegXGAHOFDIWKJuVudpKhNLCHHJSxctbUWaz1cAOyF6vERlzNg0YW1E5JoZkxj4YNZQE5V3KjN049B7AmwH9s5EA

[solar berry]

Not that simple to get the most out of ravenous

[dreamy valve]

I would say a full red high end would be the worst use of Ravenous

[magic pilot]

I mean yes

[vestal ibex]

It is tho? You aren't going to make a setup that does more.

[magic pilot]

Souless is right imo

[solar berry]

Does way more than that

[magic pilot]

How would you build it?

[gloomy spruce]

@plush field A coyotes mask, 3pc providence, fox's prayers, and 1pc grupo sombra. It is a meta build that has been around since the first year after WONY. It is is painfully meta and I hate its existence. Talents are vigilance on the backpack and either obliterate or glass cannon on the chest.

[vestal ibex]

Aside of explosive damage(idk if it even counts) what are you going to build past rifle damage and either CHC/CHD or HSD?

[solar berry]

Dta, dtooc named pcs, explosive dmg, demo spec for more explo dmg, vigi. (glass cannon for more dmg)

Crit chance and dmg

[gloomy spruce]

Yep the exact same stuff we have been working with for nearly 5 years now.

Same talents and everything since season 1

[solar berry]

It’s mainly built around explosive dmg for ravenous.

People don’t focus on that part

[gloomy spruce]

Does demo boost ravenous damage?

[solar berry]

Explosive dmg is crazy ngl

Yes

[gloomy spruce]

I thought ravenous works differently. Oh well.

[dreamy valve]

put on some armor cores and you can build some good armor bonus on top

[solar berry]

When you swap shoulder, the primes explode. That’s explosive dmg

[vestal ibex]

But does it actually apply.

[plush field]

this for pvp or pve

[solar berry]

Yes

It does apply

[gloomy spruce]

Yeah, but they don't let the merciless work like that. I didn't think they would let the ravi work the same way as well.

[solar berry]

Rav always worked with it lol

[gloomy spruce]

The merciless used to work with the demo, but the devs nerfed that out of spite.

[vestal ibex]

I'm getting a no on this.

[solar berry]

I barely touched merci

[dreamy valve]

Ravenous is the most misunderstood exotic weapon in the entire game, so don't worry if you didn't know

[gloomy spruce]

I've had it since it came out, and it still does things that I don't understand.

[dreamy valve]

its weapon properties is hidden behind its own mechanics

[solar berry]

People just use it to use it. Not to build around the weapon… nowadays

[hazy steeple]

That's the "standard red dps" build, it's been around in some form for years. It's all PvE.

[gloomy spruce]

PvE

[plush field]

kk tnxň

[solar berry]

Dps heavy in PvE, arm heavy in PvP

[vestal ibex]

Still going with a doesn't work on this.

[urban latch]

explsoive damage 100% doesnt work on rav, its scaled by weapon damage

[dreamy valve]

well, even 6 year raid speed running veterans still don't entirely understand it

[onyx sage]

yeah it scales off weapon damage and crit

[patent fossil]

Ravenous isn't evil, just misunderstood

[hazy steeple]

Is this another "pestielnce uses status" situation?

[onyx sage]

no it's a lot more innocuous

[magic pilot]

Nah definitely use demo to buff ravenous

[gloomy spruce]

@plush field Here is the full guide on the PvE Full Red Build. https://lite.evernote.com/note/0d1135cf-139c-394e-53f6-02c1b8b4cea9

[magic pilot]

Who needs crit in pve, even though it's almost always the highest dps way to build

[onyx sage]

wait how does demo buff it

[magic pilot]

Explosive dmg sir

[onyx sage]

oh wait yeah the 3rd mag won't crit

[magic pilot]

And status effects for pesti, that's why I run survivalist

[onyx sage]

so true

[hazy steeple]

Folks: sarcasm doesn't work through text if you're that understated.

[vestal ibex]

Hey I used a tone indicator!

[gloomy spruce]

Explosive damage on demo specialization is the theory. It doesn't work on Merciless, I didn't think it would work on Ravi. For year 1 Demo did boost Merciless damage tho. Devs nerfed that like the rest of the weapon out of pure spite and the fact that the Merciless was the cause of countless glitches.

In year one if there was a glitch, it was almost always caused by the merciless.

I remember in PvP when people used the Ravi to break shields. Shields in PvP used to be everywhere and breaking them was a severe pain.

[dreamy valve]

Its crazy to think that Merciless is now back in one of my active loadouts now

[gloomy spruce]

It used to be a much better weapon.

[dreamy valve]

Yeah, I was there

Ruthless even

[gloomy spruce]

Yep 😢

These days the only way to use it is to find items to improve its awful weapon handling.

[magic pilot]

Tomato tomato literally

[gloomy spruce]

I am glad people chimed in before I had to post my Ninjabike Monstrousity.

[magic pilot]

Straight to jail

No trial

[gloomy spruce]

I know, but it had 6 red cores, 3 yellow cores, and 2 blue cores. It has a tier 5 shield and a reviver with 4 charges. A decent Rifle/SMG build that is completely off meta and wrong in every concievable way.

[magic pilot]

Lost me with the shield

[gloomy spruce]

I am not a fan of them either, but people use them to camp spawn points.

[versed summit]

i'd say it's less useful if camping spawn points IMO

[onyx sage]

sir the build police is coming to get you

[versed summit]

minus striker shield

[gloomy spruce]

Yep, its time to get going. I must let the sacred meta conclave get back to business.

[trim wedge]

System corruption on top

[inner forge]

What backpack would y'all recommend for a Rifle Ongoing Directive build? My setup is just 4pc OD, Fox Prayers, and then I'm just using Festive Delivery for now to do Expertise, but I don't have an actual bag in mind. And/or, should I swap FP out for OD in that slot and move to Coyote's Mask instead? I'm really bad at figuring things out, and the OD in the build link is setup for ARs, not Rifles.

[urban latch]

ceska vigilance

[onyx sage]

virtually nothing changes if you use rifles instead of ARs for OD

[inner forge]

I just like Rifles more, the lower RoF makes it easier for my ancient hands to aim and they're auto fire now. lol

[inner forge]

Is Vigilance really better than Creeping Death? Or does the bleed spread really not matter and I'm just being extra low IQ today?

[urban latch]

bleed does not matter. OD is a buffig build, not a status build

[onyx sage]

you're not playing OD for the bleed

[inner forge]

Okay, I'm just being extra low IQ, thanks. I'm still not used to this gearset, but it's been fun so far.

[subtle bluff]

OD build is 4pc OD w/Chest
Backpack with a good Brandset like Ceska for more CHC other can work Ceska is the best. Using Talent of Vigilance or Wicked depend on your playstyle.
The one off set gear piece can be w/e for Rifle’s Fox’s is good.
Then lastly Sadist weapon talent is huge.
It’s biggest downfall is it can’t do much against things that can’t bleed.

[lyric jungle]

what build are yall using for legendary?

[fresh fox]

striker

[tender pulsar]

Is there a better Hana-u faceplate for a turret-drone build ?

[versed summit]

you'd at least want glass

[tender pulsar]

Is this a talent ?

[cerulean smelt]

yes, full name is Glass Cannon

[tender pulsar]

Thank you but i'm sorry i can't find anything on the wiki 😮
Is it a talent for a chestplate ?

Will it work with Hana-U ?

[versed summit]

yes and yes

[tender pulsar]

Okay thank, then i know what to farm in summit !

[rich lotus]

What’s a good skill other than emp to stop drone spammers? Is shock trap effective? Or is stinger hive better so drones don’t get through an area?

[cerulean smelt]

i've always tried to make something hybridish but it always feels like it's lacking. you know something like ninjabike + 2 palasades and 1 or 2 arca buz de brazos with mechanical animal so you can ultimately kill effectively with a weapon or skill while getting upto over charged skills XD

[solar sable]

Hotshot NBB? that has to be a sin

[shadow carbon]

Hello, I just recently started playing, I am trying my best to understand the optimization and builds and all of this but there is so much to it it’s kind of overwhelming, would anyone be willing to help me out and break it down Barney style for me? I want to figure it out but it’s just not making sense to me

[subtle bluff]

Checked the Pinned Messages. You maybe have too look for it in the channel info if you’re on mobile

HB with some red.
Tech Tank either HB or Strikers
CC build. Hotshot and HF without NBB.

[fair dragon]

Empress mortar is cursed

[cerulean smelt]

that part of the game is when you're max level 40

once you're 40 you take every piece of gear/weapon and put them in your library so you can put those on anything you build for

[fair dragon]

I mean it's not the worst since having Empress means skills other than mortar turret are allowed to excel better

[cerulean smelt]

that looks monstorous

i meant is a good thing monstorous

[fair dragon]

I think it's a good starting point for a mortar build

[cerulean smelt]

for mine, i got 3 pc empress including Cesar's Guard (perfectly skilled talent), same backpack, and 2 pc grupo (pain to farm), but i do get lucky on that 35% skilled proccing so i feel i have endless seeker mines

weapons though i think i got the 2 perfect insync ar/rifle? i'd have to double check

[shadow carbon]

I have made it to level 40, I’m at level 35 after that, not sure what that is called lol. So should I just start by trying get everything in my library and go from there?

[cerulean smelt]

yes, destroy gears and weapons to get all the talents, get your armor/weapon cores to max and attributes to max as soon as possible

[fair dragon]

Demolisher firefly can take out their backpacks, shock traps can temporarily nullify the drones - stops them for a bit, but will continue charging at you when the shock effect wears off.

But most effective way is by shooting the backpack yourself

[solar sable]

why not?

[magic pilot]

Looks like instead of making new builds you should finish the ones you've started

[fair dragon]

They're looking for fun builds, and fun knows no bounds

Fun also doesnt mean effective

[cerulean smelt]

I agree, but I ran out of ideas for fun builds

[rich lotus]

Ok thank you.

[fair dragon]

Soloing Capitol without guns is my kind of fun

[cerulean smelt]

Like, I wish mad bomber was a backpack talent instead

The fun collector and madbomber would've been

Ohh, If that festive delivery talent was on a pair of gloves would've been even better

[solar sable]

vigi airaldi for the 25% dmg amp (?)

[cerulean smelt]

well, gunner is giving what yoru total armor is giving you, hotshot is giving you bonus armor

[solar sable]

Plus sharpshooter spec gives you ammo for every 20-10 seconds on cover

Do you struggle to kill a purple buddy with one headshot?

You can try but hotshot isn't r&g afaik...

[shy willow]

Hotshot NBB sadly actually kind of works but obviously you miss out on vigi or concussion

[cerulean smelt]

nods my only issue with memento. you have to run around grabing trophies of the kills you do manage to get

[shy willow]

Will struggle with first shots unless you run a nemmy or something

Everything else is just too good to pass up

[solar sable]

nbb is a newbie trap but it does kinda work for some PvP builds

[cerulean smelt]

only reason i like it is because of the talent to try and make intersting gearset +3pc sets if there are any that comes to mind XD

[shy willow]

Theres not many occasions where you'd take it over a bag talent

That's why you run high end

[solar sable]

Airaldi Vigilance ?????

[shy willow]

^

[cerulean smelt]

or where i'm trying ot put things in that can possibly push more damage out of it

[solar sable]

hotshot bag isn't the way to go

[shy willow]

Normally the setup is chainkiller + airaldi vig + 4 hotshot

Can swap one hotshot off for foxes or contractors or whatever too

[cerulean smelt]

like i think in a clan i used to be in had a guy mention NBB and a few other pieces of gears that allowed us to get a good amount of headshot

[solar sable]

You kinda want to have more dmg just in case

[shy willow]

It can help massively

[cerulean smelt]

was like all that headshot + determined? 🤔

[shy willow]

Like my mantis will one shot elite enemies without headhunter proc

[cerulean smelt]

yes DZ providence

The Gift

[shy willow]

There is but it's not worth running if you're not already running providence

[solar sable]

yeah but it's pretty rare
it's a loooong grind

[shy willow]

All it does is give you a second less downtime

[cerulean smelt]

unless you get lucky in legacy caches and named caches XD

[shy willow]

descent

[solar sable]

like if one second made a difference lol

[cerulean smelt]

so instead of 3 seconds of vigilence down it's 2 seconds

[shy willow]

4 to 3

If it buffed the TWD it'd be way better

[cerulean smelt]

i didn't know the numbers was just stating if it was 3 it'd be 2 seconds XD

[shy willow]

But rn it's just a trophy piece tbh

[cerulean smelt]

i agree

[solar sable]

you'll get that overtime

[shy willow]

2 months is quite early trying to optimise everything

It's expensive

[cerulean smelt]

especially if you're still under 1k watch

[solar sable]

if you don't want it to be as expensive, make mules for near infinite mats (shd 1k)

[shy willow]

The chances of getting the perfect drop with max rolls is exceedingly low

Even rarer than a habs unicorn lol

[cerulean smelt]

there's a tutorial? 🤔

mine was 2 skill damage/status effect Grupo Sambra pieces

probably one of the reasons i'll never get rid of my explosive build (> <)

[solar sable]

"When you search for something you rarely get it. When you're not looking for it, you may get it not once but more than twice"
can we confirm this? lmao

[shy willow]

Sounds about right

Spend about a trillion of every resource crafting a unicorn only to drop it in the next countdown you run

[solar sable]

so why bother?

[cerulean smelt]

i probably would rage quit there XD

[solar sable]

oh god

I sense a masochist nearby

[shy willow]

It happened to me lol spent so long crafting a unicorn courier only to get one in countdown rip

[cerulean smelt]

is it too late though?

would you have preferred pre gear 2.0?

oh boy

there was no recalibrations back tehn either i don't think. you were purely out there doing what you're doing but for every single piece of gear

[cerulean smelt]

the chest and gloves are both named btw

chest has a talent that died off called Beserk. something along the lines of the less armor you have the more damage you do. gloves with clutch probably teh same where every crit gave you armor regen

no clue honestly. i'd say when they introduced gear 2.0 or a couple or so updates after it

maybe 6 years ago if this is accurate on Reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/b3mdei/recalibration_in_div_2_has_taken_a_step_back/

think gear 2.0 is the start of 4 piece gear sets though

so back then the negotiator's dilemma you could only be a demolotionist to equip so you had to wear all 6 pieces to get it's benefit which used to be when you lost your armor you'd launch explosives at whoever destroyed your armor

[subtle bluff]

Depends on the weapon and the mission difficulty. Leggo you need to squeeze all the dmg you can so you can keep up your HH stacks correctly. Otherwise you’ll have to keep rebuilding it or do it in the right order.

[onyx sage]

chunga helmet says otherwise

[subtle bluff]

What the hp of the helmet?

[onyx sage]

around 28mil in 4 man

the problem is they don't take hsd

so if you deal around 30mil on a normal enemy you'll deal a couple mil less on the helmet

might not break in 1 hit

[cerulean smelt]

i dunno about that honestly?
there used to be a strategy when Dark Hours was the only raid
2 snipers. 1 breaks the helmet the 2nd destroyed the chunga

[onyx sage]

legendary

[cerulean smelt]

ah ok. nm XD

[onyx sage]

that's the only content where you want to minmax hh lol

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i rememer being on chunga duty. Chun- nvm as i watch the chunga drop XD

[gloomy spruce]

There were recalibrations. It worked differently. There was no library then. You had to horde gear with the rolls you wanted and then destroy them to fuse in their attributes to the item you wanted. People's stashes were often filled with items to harvest strong rolls from.

I stockpiled chest pieces with weapon damage rolls.

[cerulean smelt]

oh right, that explains the reddit complaints on it and that div 1 was way better

[gloomy spruce]

Yeah imagine your stash in some cases filled with +15% weapon damage chest pieces that you were lucky enough to get when a different vendor had them.

Sometimes these vendors were in lower level clans, so you had to leave your higher level clan to get the prime item and then rejoin your own.

[kindred mango]

+30-40% armour items 👀

[cerulean smelt]

that would've been annoying. back then i think i was more concerned in getting those builds together and my drops were always atrocious

[gloomy spruce]

Some clans were nice enough to simply exist and just stay as dead clans to let people join to use the lower level clan vendors.

There was also the fact that the lower level mods at one point were the ones with weapon damage rolls. The devs didn't want people to get too powerful back then. So the level 10-20 was where you could get the best blue or purple mods that had weapon damage. Above that it was all weapon handling talents. So that video was around when people went to the DZ to farm those.

[cerulean smelt]

i was honestly trying to find a build that had the gloves with a talent. one i saw was gearset a but no talent on the gloves and was like nope not that one

[gloomy spruce]

Yeah every item had a talent and some had 2. Some people would stack talents like hard hitting. They got mad when the devs boosted the talents but made it so only one of the passive talents counted.

[cerulean smelt]

only memory i have is going against a guy in dz with negotiator's delimma on with bezerk/clutch combo and i just obliterated myself

[gloomy spruce]

The devs banished berserk into the abyss. Clutch was just nerfed into the ground.

[cerulean smelt]

nods bezerk/clutch was just to OP

[gloomy spruce]

In their defense, Berserk and Clutch did encourage very reckless playstyles.

They tried introducing vigi back then, but most people stuck to berserk. They just banished it and introduced Glass cannon as well on the new crit gear set, Providence. Providence during year one was a hybrid gear set with bonuses to skills and weapon damage.

[cerulean smelt]

nods all i remember every player was Berserk/clutch and Sharpshooter for the stabilty

and getting yelled at being something of a healer as i was trying to figure it out "QUIT HEALING ME!" not understanding XD

[gloomy spruce]

I was one of them. I liked gunner at certain moments as well. Gunner meant that didn't always need extra armor packs. The only problem was that the raid strats back then relied on the Tac-50 on razorback's weak points. The devs then decided to also nerf Specialization damage to bosses. It used to be specialization weapons did regular damage to bosses.

[cerulean smelt]

oh right i forgot about that strat

[soft apex]

Is there a good alternative to memento or am I just trapped forever in using this OP exotic?

[gloomy spruce]

Memento is not op. There are lots of other good backpack options.

[tulip charm]

Memento is the best solo backpack in the game

[cerulean smelt]

next season might change that, depends how they change the new exotic backpack

[soft apex]

There's a new backpack exotic you say?

[cerulean smelt]

yes

[soft apex]

I'm solo 98% of the time. So as far as I've seen it very much is benefit wise.

[cerulean smelt]

more group oriented though

[soft apex]

Have they released what it looks like?

[gloomy spruce]

What kind of build are you running?

[cerulean smelt]

was in the PTS that ended wednesday

[soft apex]

Striker half damage half skill cause otherwise the skills are useless so far as I've seen

Besides reviver.

I do have a visionario mask. But that was so I could get a seperate bonus since I only need 4 striker pieces to activate the talent.

[gloomy spruce]

Are you playing close, mid-range or long range. Memento kind of forces you to play close to collect trophies. You can play striker mid to long range as well. It is better with that kind of range play.

[soft apex]

I just aim and shoot

[cerulean smelt]

if you goto youtube look for year 6 season 3 backpack. i know 1 video makes it look pretty op

[bleak sequoia]

yeah I was gonna ask, Visionario + Memento is an unusual combo

[soft apex]

People end up getting close to me regardless so I get trophies either way.

I'm mostly using it for the triple stat buff.

[cerulean smelt]

exotic backpack is all about reviving people

[bleak sequoia]

triple stats? wait till you hear about this awesome Ninjabike backpack

[gloomy spruce]

Then you may want to go for a striker backpack, ceska obliterate chest piece, and a coyote's mask instead with the rest of the build being red striker focused around crit.

That is the current meta.

[soft apex]

I know of it. And have it. But I don't like the way it looks.

[bleak sequoia]

I was joking, it's garbage

[soft apex]

I figured. It's only remarkable thing is allowing several brands to be used

[cerulean smelt]

brands or gearset with brandset mixed in

[soft apex]

I thank you for the input genuinely, but I did not ask what's meta kind fellow, I asked what's a good enough replacement for memento so I can have a normal looking bag.

[onyx sage]

yeah you want to consider legendary performance cuz everything else is too squishy

[bleak sequoia]

you can get a backpack apparel item

[soft apex]

Yeah but none of them look like normal bags

[onyx sage]

if you're sniping, vigilance

[soft apex]

I am not

[onyx sage]

talking to hideku

[soft apex]

I have vigil.......is that close enough?

Oh ew this things talent isn't great

It's all about weapon swapping. Yucky.

[gloomy spruce]

Exotics cannot be transmogged. You are stuck with how they look. A vigi bag besides the striker bag is your best option.

[cerulean smelt]

vigilence?

[soft apex]

No it's a Legatus S.p.A. bag. Called vigil.

[onyx sage]

perfect versatile

[soft apex]

Has the perfect versatile talent.

[gloomy spruce]

....

[cerulean smelt]

oh didn't know there's a named bag Vigil
anytime i see Vigil i think someone just shortened vigilence

[soft apex]

I do have a bag called.......The Courier.............convenient........should I do it for the funny?

[gloomy spruce]

I really want perfect versatile to be more viable. I really do. It has a short uptime and its bonuses are too restrictive. A bag with vigilance is better.

[soft apex]

It has perfect Creeping death on it

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, but no matter how many times i tell people it's 1 second difference. no need to get The Gift

[soft apex]

Wuts the gift?

[gloomy spruce]

I meant to be talking about versatile, but I mistyped.

[cerulean smelt]

named backpack with Perfect Vigilence talent

[soft apex]

Is negotiators dilemma good or is it bad?

[cerulean smelt]

it's interseting (> <)

[gloomy spruce]

Versatile and Perfect Versatile are just lack luster talents with their short uptime and strict range areas. They are difficult in some cases to activate, take advantage of, and last too short a period of time to be worth it.

[soft apex]

I guess I can just switch to a striker bag and make it look like a normal bag instead of whatever it is. The risk management extra talent is looking pretty nice.....

[bleak sequoia]

The Gift is the complement to The Sacrifice because they're both Prov and the second Prov bonus is much better than the first

it makes sense when together

if you're already running PGC, The Gift is just free Perfect Vigilance

[cerulean smelt]

i find it hard wanting to mark 3 or 5 people then focus 1 to depend on crits damaging all 3 or 5 marks

[tulip charm]

The gift is just a flex/min maxing

[soft apex]

WOAH WHAT IS THIS?

Festive delivery?

Wut dis do?

[gloomy spruce]

@cerulean smelt The gift is good for one thing. If you can get one or more likely craft one with the Descent Blueprint. There is a high probability that you will get the rolls you want along with the talent vigilance. It is great for that.

[tulip charm]

A normal prov back w/ vigi is basically the same

[topaz spear]

On the red build on the spreadsheet I know you want 6 red cores but do you opt in for any armor small cores at all or just all chd chc?

[gloomy spruce]

Backpacks can take so long to farm because of the RNG involved.

[bleak sequoia]

extra bada boom. Kinda niche. Might be good for Hollywood event

[soft apex]

I switched to a striker bag and transmogged it to a Roamer Pack "Sow" there's so many 5.11 bags dear lord

[cerulean smelt]

i keep mixing up talents lately. was thinking festive delivery worked with i think firewall nade? then realize it was probably the collector thing that i saw

[soft apex]

Why do the purple bags often look cooler than the gold ones. Or purple items in general. Saddening. Hopefully goobertsoft does better with division 3.

[hexed steppe]

Mortar Supremacy

[soft apex]

Also any chance anyone knows what the Roamer Pack "Sow" is in the real world? I might want me such a bag.

Badger tuff might be my favorite brand aesthetic wise.

[cerulean smelt]

couldn't say. i usually think anything in game is just that. an item in game

[soft apex]

Most of it's based on actual stuff. Such as 5.11 that's a real brand. Primarily for airsoft. Formerly they sold gear to the US military. But they lost out on their contract.

Is 12% critical hit damage a good protocol?

[hexed steppe]

check out murakami horo bag

12% chd is max roll

[soft apex]

Is Backbone a good named item?

[hexed steppe]

probably with the right rolls. perfect unstoppable force, right?

[soft apex]

I have no idea man

I'm seeing this stuff in the expertise screen. I just wanna hoarde everything cool looking.

[cerulean smelt]

you are correct on the talent

[hexed steppe]

oh, yeah. check out the pinned sheet for item stats

[cerulean smelt]

in this channel btw

[hexed steppe]

thanks 😅

[soft apex]

Yeah I've attempted to look at the spreadsheet. But sadly I'm on phone so it looks like alien language smashed together for me

[cerulean smelt]

just remember you can goto that on a computer too and get the sheet where it's more readable

[hexed steppe]

once they get the build tool updated, thatll work pretty well on phone

[soft apex]

I have vile and coyote. Are either of these good with strikers?

[cerulean smelt]

coyote

vile is more on a skill status effect build

[soft apex]

Lemme go check what it do.

You know what trying to figure out a build for this game reminds me of?

Aw man it doesn't let me send gifs.

[cerulean smelt]

i was more of the transitioning from Div 1 to Div 2

[soft apex]

Anyway it reminds me of the "THE NUMBERS MASON! WHAT DO THEY MEAN?!"

[cerulean smelt]

but even back in Div 1 i didn't quite understand builds. was basically copying/pasting builds i've seen in youtube

[soft apex]

I put coyote on. Damage time :]

[hexed steppe]

underleveling items to unlock a lot more stats, alpha bridge ftw

[soft apex]

I like the bags and vests with radios on them. Im pretty sure agents still need communication devices to talk to each other.

Anywho I have now gone all in on damage.

Could I make a viable build with only named items?

[cerulean smelt]

probably be a tough challenge

[cerulean smelt]

could you imagine if they gave us something alphabridge like in div 2?

[soft apex]

Hopefully In division 3 everything is a bit more viable on the PvE side. It's kinda a pain that you cant use certain stuff just cause it's not as good as other things. At least you can transmog items to look like cooler stuff cause a lot of the brand sets and exotics don't look that cool

Holy moly I give off the green fog effect even with my face covered by a ballistic mask? That's funny.

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 i would love to see a liquid oxygen like mask in game now that i think about it would be interesting to see players with a mask filled with liquid XD

[bleak sequoia]

punch drunk, the sacrifice, picaros, the gift, contractor's gloves, foxes prayer?

[soft apex]

I'll need to get those items then

Cause I have none of them

[cerulean smelt]

i know probably made completely uselss but no Hollow Man? XD

[soft apex]

And then I'll need to see how funny this can truly get.

[hexed steppe]

swap that sacrifice to chainkiller , gift to memento, and you got my regulas build.

[shy willow]

Unfortunately literally everything that made alpha bridge unique is absent in this game

[cerulean smelt]

eh, i could see our specializations being swapped on a timer XD

but yeah, you're right naval. nothing in div 2 could make alphabridge work well anyways

aside the double weapon type with 2 different talents

like how intersting would a Nemesis with Determined?

or oroborous with another smg with measured further pushing the rate of fire (> <)

[shy willow]

It's a shame they never expanded on exotic weapon sets

[soft apex]

That too

[cerulean smelt]

i want pier and resistence (> <)

[soft apex]

Just add all previous modes, EZ dlc money

[cerulean smelt]

isn't that descent currently?

PVP map you started with nothing but a pistol

you said endless mode, i was referrign to that unless descent has a number you can't go past?

i've always gotten bored of the mode after the nemesis

Resistence in Div 1 is kind of like that i think? i never made it far in it

[steady fern]

im shd level 39 and wondering what build i should do or weapons i should use

[soft apex]

Do you have access to brands?

[steady fern]

?

[cerulean smelt]

if solo anything you want. if you're trying to get into raids. the bare minimum is a striker build of some sort would be good enough

@steady fern other choice is to click on the pin here and check what they put in that seems amusing to you and set out to make that build

[steady fern]

ty!!

[topaz spear]

If I'm looking for a Ceska vigilance roll is it best to put targeted look on backpacks or Ceska brand?

[cerulean smelt]

ceska brand, otherwise you'll get all kinds of backpacks

[topaz spear]

thx

[flat basin]

anyone have solid recommendations on how to get a set of System Corrupted gear ive looked on google and im not finding any. On the crafting bench it says you can get it in summit but ive had no luck there either

[hazy steeple]

Not sure why it would say Summit, but for the record: System Corruption is DZ locked, it's the only gearset that is.

You can also potentialy obtain it via Legacy Caches, but the chance is very, very, very low.

[placid latch]

Chance aren't that low to get them

I got a full set from those caches

playing General Event give a lot of star to spend on those cache

[flat basin]

ok thanks for the clarification

[flat basin]

whats general event?

[placid latch]

Golden Bullet, Reanimation, etc

[hazy steeple]

Global Event, not general.

[placid latch]

Oh my bad

[hazy steeple]

No worries, div2 uses far too many acronyms and initialisms.

[placid latch]

Yeah, I was used to GE

[hazy steeple]

"I have to farm out a cp, so I can use a bp to change my bp", is a legit sentence in this game.

[flat basin]

so where do i look to get info on the global event?

[placid latch]

Esc then check out Global Event

[shy willow]

Absolute peak of legacy cache luck

[placid latch]

Yeah

I didn't had any of those cache

[flat basin]

gimme

[shy willow]

If it makes you feel any better syscor isn't a particularly outstanding set

It can be fun though

[placid latch]

It's a really fun set

[flat basin]

yeah i just have a build idea after looking at all the sets online idk if my idea will work but i wanna try

[undone widget]

Where can I find current meta builds? Was hoping to have a good tanky build for raids

[hazy steeple]

What naval said: It should be noted; Sys Corr is pretty much a "trash" set, it has very little use, and can do almost nothing better than something else.

[placid latch]

Make me wonder if with Galvanisation, you get more damage output

[hazy steeple]

@undone widget The 📌 pinned-message in this channel > spreadsheet 2 > builds. All heroic tier, you'll be able to find something within.

[shy willow]

It stacks to like 50 percent bonus armour so probably

But you'd need consistent status effects

So basically locked to Scorpio

[placid latch]

with the backpack you can get up to 100%

[shy willow]

Only for 5 seconds tho unfortunately

[placid latch]

I'm just wondering if you need to spend a kit to get the buff

[shy willow]

And the TWD bonus is capped to 20 percent even if you have more than 50 percent bonus armour

[placid latch]

or you can get the buff from Bonus armor gained

[shy willow]

If hackstep protocol lasted way longer I could see it being much better

[shy willow]

From the wording I assume it's all sources of bonus armour

Hackstep is just a convenient way of getting it

[placid latch]

then using galvanisation and a shield, you could potentially reset that bonus armor (and give some to your teammate along the way

I can't log in right now

[hazy steeple]

Here's the full stats:

Replaces armor kits with an instant, infinite-use ability.
> Grants 50% bonus armor for 5s
> Hides your nameplate for 5s. 
> Repairs 20% of your armor
> Increases total weapon damage by 2% per 5% 
bonus armor gained, up to 20% 
Ability cooldown: 20s"```
```The chest changes the cooldown to 15 seconds, the backpack changes the armour increase to 100%```

[shy willow]

If I actually had a full set id probably use it for fun

With intimidate and ad rush or bloodsucker it could be decent

[flat basin]

lets go to DZ bruh

[tulip charm]

Imagine farm that in the dz

[flat basin]

not a good idea?

What kind of mods are good for EMP Jammer? I get radius but whats cone size?

[strong cave]

@placid latch Intimidate and Ad Rush isn't terrible for system corruption. You can pair it with memento if you know what you're doing. Rn sys corr's biggest weakness is the cooldown for the armor. Sys Corr relies on armor on kill to keep you topped off. Right now, the only use system corruption has in pvp is basically just an anti-heartbreaker/pulse/spotter build for facefights. I wouldn't use it for armor talents like galvanize or vanguard. You're better off running it as a crit based build with 4 armor cores and 2 red cores. Set it up for either long distance or short distance. Build sucks mid range. You either wanna be a close range demon or a long range ghost. No in between.

Best cqb setup is 4 PC sys corr rolled armor and crits, sokolov chest with crits + unbreakable and coyote mask. Skills should be decoy and defender drone. You could ditch defender for EMP pulse for stagger. Long range similar setup but take ceska brand instead of sokolov and run Eagle Bearer instead of an SMG

The biggest thing people get wrong about system corruption is "rarity = good gearset". I love the gearset so much but it's got such little usage in pvp rn. I only use it to counter bighorn/heartbreaker and for farming landmarks in dz with memento and hunter killer chest. Talent needs a cooldown buff (shorten armor kit timer) and the damage needs to be increased by at least an additional 25%. It's a burst damage gearset designed to boost your damage and armor for 5s

[strong cave]

Skill haste bc a 20-40s cooldown for a sticky launcher is crazy

Nvm you said jammer not launcher 😭😭 you'll want effects duration and radius size

[flat basin]

ok thanks thats what i have on but i keep getting cone size mods and had no idea what it was

[strong cave]

Cone size effects Gunner's Banshee pulse. In other words, those cone mods are useless unless you take Banshee pulse

You're better off using radius and effects duration

It even effects Scanner and Remote pulse if I'm remembering right

[vagrant trail]

I haven't played for a long time, I want to come back to the game, tell me what build to collect? I think my builds are no longer relevant

[shy willow]

Chances are if they were good before they're good now

[strong cave]

Depends on what level you are

[vagrant trail]

400+-

[plush field]

anyone got nice nemesis pvp build ? and pve too please

[placid latch]

Play hot shot build with S-R1 and Determined

[plush field]

pvp or pve

[trim hemlock]

Is there a way to get Lexington AR still? I havent logged in in a while and I missed it but got the game since launch

[fresh fox]

no

[hazy steeple]

The one they recommended is for PvE.

[plush field]

alright tnx

[toxic raft]

I have a couple of questions about pestilence. "Plague of the Outcasts". That's a status effect, right? So, if I want to get the most out of my build, I want to make my build support and spread status effects?

[onyx sage]

no, it's not a status

if you want to increase the plague damage you need weapon damage

[toxic raft]

I'm not so much interested in plague damage, as plague spread.

[onyx sage]

nothing increases that

[toxic raft]

that's a shame.

thanks!

[hexed steppe]

The dot is just a bit of extra damage anyway , build for crit. Use fire eclipse +cap for damage spread

[gusty prism]

I think the plague scales on weapon damage instead of the regular status effect stats

But the range on the other hand its fix

[rich lotus]

Anyone playing atm want to teach and help a returning player make his build and finish high lvl content?

[hexed steppe]

Check the pinned spreadsheet in this channel. There is a solid build list. Can suggest a couple builds depending on your intended usage and preference for dps/skill build/status/ armor regen

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, weapon damage, lmg specific weapon damage, total weapon damage, amps, probably dta/dttooc as well

[strange dew]

Hi, i play with the "appartement" (striker build) i think is a good gun, what do you think ?

[versed flame]

The perfect cannon

for striker

[strange dew]

Yes, but i think the appartement is good to

This one is AR gun

[versed flame]

It's also a good option.

[placid latch]

Strega deal a lot of damage and got more range

Same St Elmo's engine which is pretty stable.

[versed flame]

yes, but it's not a good option for a "striker", imho)

[placid latch]

Test it out on the shooting range in the white house

[strange dew]

OK so i need a build for the appartement

[placid latch]

Are refering to a striker (gear set) build or a close range combat striking build

[subtle bluff]

Sorry what? You shoot it and kill and build stacks and gun stacks..

[subtle bluff]

Strenga is strong as long as you have the talent up. When it isn't up its very mid.

[versed flame]

For a striker, you need more stacks-more bullets, it's a set!green

[subtle bluff]

As long as you're building stacks faster than your losing it your fine. You can always use another to prep the first kill.
Stacking both a striker and Strenga amp dmg will output a crazy amount of dmg.

It's a playstyle choice in the end imo.

[versed flame]

Yes that's right

[shy basalt]

honestly it seems very mediocre lmao

the attachments are 5% each

compared to elmo which gives you a 20% crit and 20% crit damage stat stick

[hexed steppe]

15% for elmo attachments now

Nerfed

[shy basalt]

oh rip nerfed

[hexed steppe]

Its still good tho

[shy basalt]

statwise still seems better

[violet juniper]

Have a look at this

Haven't yet finished rolling for max stats, but it's getting there.

[subtle bluff]

I said stacks referring to the talents and not the stats.

[subtle bluff]

Don't reroll those. Mop isn't a great weapon it has it's spots in build. Take your time build you stuff don't worry about making everything prefect off the bat.

[violet juniper]

I'm using the Mop for the armour on kill in a tough spot

[shy basalt]

what are you talking about? lol
all guns stack strikers the same way

I'm just saying that strega looks kinda meh

[subtle bluff]

Just to note not have DTTooC you will lose a good amount of dmg but I get it.

[subtle bluff]

......
The weapon talent that's only for Sterga...

Talent Unnerve
Killing an enemy will apply a mark on every enemy within 20m of it. Multiple marks can be applied on the same enemy. Deal 15% Amplified Damage per mark to marked enemies.
No other weapon give 15% amp and then can stack more when used right.

[shy basalt]

I haven't tried it yet, since I haven't played the game for a bit-
But it honestly doesn't seem that good.
The hardest part of division gameplay is when there's a bunch of enemies and you're under pressure to get in position and stabilize the situation.

[subtle bluff]

Plz stop then if you haven't played for awhile.

[shy basalt]

This seems like a "win more" weapon and the stats are just worse than elmo or even a yellow

[shy basalt]

son, the game hasn't changed in 5 years since warlords of NY expansion

[subtle bluff]

I'm not saying it's an amazing weapon but it is powerful when it's Talent is up. But if you can['t understand it.
Kill one next takes 15% more amp dmg then the next after that kil take 30% amp dmg.

[shy basalt]

but the tl;dr is I don't see why I would take a strega over a better weapon such as a flatline m4 or an overstatted elmo

[junior surge]

elmos gives 15% chc and 15% chd

[shy basalt]

yeah I mean people like pestilence too but it's just not that good

[shy basalt]

ya got nerfed apparently. but still an insane amount of stats

[subtle bluff]

Pesti is actually really good now but since you haven't played you wouldn't know.