td2-build-advice

[sinful acorn]

Alright, high-end builds then

[hazy steeple]

@maiden jasper Hey, welcome! There's a bunch of heroic-ready builds 📌 pinned in this channel, just check the "spreadsheet 2" and then "builds" inside it.

[sinful acorn]

Oh right pins had those

[hazy steeple]

If you have any questions, feel free to ask. We're happy to give a hand!

[maiden jasper]

will check thank you

[sinful acorn]

Most of the evernotes do mention fairly specific items, like gearsets or exotics I mentioned. I was where you where just 2 weeks ago so I could give you some direction in that regard too

Stick with the Y6 S2 builds, I think the others are a bit too dated to follow along nowadays?

Or do those still function, Rivens?

[hazy steeple]

Most are still plenty viable, div2 rarely change that much, especially when you're playing below Heroic.

[sinful acorn]

Right

I just know that we're on TU22 and some of those are TU17 which are like... 2-3 years old?

[hazy steeple]

It depends on the specific build, div2 is very "mathy".

[sinful acorn]

Yeah I watch Dod Regnbue and use the build planner a bunch for that reason

At least TU22 alone seemed to tip the scales a lot in favour of select weapons

[hazy steeple]

Dod's not too bad, a lot of the best content these days comes from iKia, although their link in the spreadsheet is very out of date, you can find an up-to-date one below their videos.

[sinful acorn]

I heard about iKia too, didn't get into his content yet

[hazy steeple]

Actually we got a bunch of weapon buffs a while back, but it was (mostly) focused on buffing underused, instead of nerfing.
So options for builds got wider, overall.

[sinful acorn]

That's always nice if devs succeed at that

I do hope they gut Determined in next TU

[bright raptor]

the math has not changed much outside of weapon choice because the majority of brand and gearsets introduced are actually worse

which is definitely an interesting way to avert power creep

[sinful acorn]

Yeah maybe, I joined this party a little late so I was still finding out conflicting info on what's the best sniper

SR-1 got nerfed and White Death is better now but then they feel the same when I try them out

SR-1 way faster ADS I guess

[restive vortex]

Is there a different exotic loot pool at lvl 31-39? Wondering if I can snag a memento at level 31 through priority objectives

[strong cave]

Even though the SR1 got touched, it's still a solid marksman. Model 700 will always be on top. I started toying around with one of the M700's and it feels great to use (it's a tan looking bolt action, like the one used in "American Sniper" film)

[magic hollow]

Guys, I'm running gunner lady death memento with hunter set and perfect glass cannon, if I switch lady death to chameleon is it better or wrose?

[versed flame]

Chamelion passes as an assault rifle, you will lose the boost from the set

[magic hollow]

Oh okay

What other options are there?

Oh also I'm running artist's tool (not running a shotgun secondary), is that bad?

[versed flame]

Ratchet, exotic, try it

[magic hollow]

Artist's tool is absoluting blowing shit up easily tho, so I don't think I need that extra little set damage for the rifle

[bright raptor]

you can swap to Fenris to get the brand weapon damage bonus for Chameleon

[versed flame]

vector, dark winter, ouroboros, even ordinary vectors

[bright raptor]

If you're doing good clicking heads Artist's Tool is great

[magic hollow]

Yes I am

[bright raptor]

right now the flavor of the season are the MP5, SMG9 and regular Vector variants

With Hunter's Fury I usually keep a rifle or assault rifle on hand for stuff I can't reach with a SMG or shotgun

[magic hollow]

Right

If I run paradise lost and finish it, will I get the oroborus guaranteed?

Like with one run?

Or is it a grind

[versed flame]

No, 10% from the chest, 1% from the boss, random

[magic hollow]

Ah okay

One question

What if I switch to Coyote and Striker Set with Chameleon?

Do you recommend Fox's Prayer for my non-set piece? since I'm running artist's tool

[shy willow]

Chameleon isn't very good

[bright raptor]

1. Fine, but the inaccuracy will hurt at medium to long range, there is better

2. Not on Striker because you need the crit chance, use a Ceska chest piece

[magic hollow]

Hmmmm

Is oroborus better than Lady Death?

[versed flame]

it depends on how the whole build looks! But in general, "prayer" is a great thing.

[bright raptor]

Yes but it's a bit less of a stat stick now, a good rolled high end version of the SMGs I listed are competitive

...also why does it look like you were asking very similar questions yesterday?

[magic hollow]

I'm modifying my build around, I was thinking about switching to a rifle but then I'd lose all my bonuses so now I'm thinking about getting oroborus

[versed flame]

Why? He's peculiar, but not bad.

[magic hollow]

I'm gonna get Dark Winter first for now, and then think about where to go from there

[bright raptor]

only the Striker build you mentioned can get you through the incursion, and nothing you have said suggests you have a build optimized enough for one

[magic hollow]

Yeah I don't have a build that can do that

[bright raptor]

Dark Winter's talent itself is fairly overrated but the conditional extra crit damage probably does make more of a difference on a non minmaxed build

[versed flame]

many people think that ouroboros is for PVP, it's not very good in PVE

[fresh fox]

it’s good

not like top tier but very good

[sinful acorn]

Dark Winter talent is overrated, huh? It's so much damage from it, wdym. Of course it's conditional on kill but still

[bright raptor]

At best you can trigger it 60% of the time

it is not on kill, you need the killing shot to be a crit

[sinful acorn]

Yeah I know, but I meant that you don't have it up on singletarget

On kill in that sense

So bad in raids etc

Wouldn't bring it for legendary either

[versed flame]

well, I personally didn't play much with them, so I won't rate them), although I knocked out about 20 pieces (why???))))

[bright raptor]

The only people using Dark Winter in raids do it as a self imposed challenge

[sinful acorn]

But for general mobbing, I'd rate it higher than Elmo personally

(I didn't get to try Lexington with striker yet)

[magic hollow]

Is it possible to get critical chance in gear mods?

[sinful acorn]

Yep

[fresh fox]

real ones dont even use crit in raids 😼😼

[versed flame]

If we talk about damage to mobs, a build with a gunner or a strega is higher than the action movie set build.

in general, what prevents you from collecting several builds?! and playing to change them, in the process, it's more interesting)

[fresh fox]

i only use #meta!!!

[tulip charm]

This guys abuses nego

[bright raptor]

People should abuse nego, I need the AI to be distracted from my own abuse of it

[tulip charm]

Same

I dont enjoy being a human decoy

[unkempt shell]

@pearl turtle

Rest is full crit hit and the mask has crit chance but try it out see what works for it

It been praised by identity

Himself

[pearl turtle]

nice

mines not that good lol but i’m working on it

[tulip charm]

Imo i would run striker backpack instead of vigilance

[unkempt shell]

Don’t make me laugh

[tulip charm]

🗿

[unkempt shell]

U won’t get the 200 crit chance from it trust me

Or the chest piece

[tulip charm]

200 what?

[unkempt shell]

It been certified by a youtuber and workd bloody perfect for me

[unkempt shell]

Soo crit thing the talent it has on the chest and back pack

[versed summit]

identity is a moron ngl

[unkempt shell]

You won’t get 200 stacks

[unkempt shell]

Then u are to

[versed summit]

the build is fine though

[patent fossil]

Vigilance is more damage than striker bp unless you're running striker chest with full stacks.

[unkempt shell]

Indeed

[versed summit]

with obliterate it's like 2% more

[unkempt shell]

It does better than my smg build i run well used to run lol

[versed summit]

IMO, given it's downsides I'd skip it

[unkempt shell]

Yeaah gotta keep the numbers straighter than me lol

[tulip charm]

If you want to see real numbers then run pgc and vigi then

[unkempt shell]

HAHAHAHA

NOPE

[patent fossil]

Build is solid, could be improved by running ceska chest instead of fenris and shifting minor stats to chd. Or yeah, glass cannon for the chad move

[unkempt shell]

Tried ceska it is dog shit

[tulip charm]

Youtuber is a bozo but its whatever play how you want tho

[pearl turtle]

i run glass cannon i think, love it lol

[patent fossil]

Glass cannon and vigilance work well together since they both encourage you not to get shot

[tulip charm]

Bait used to be believable

[versed summit]

lmaoooooooooooo

[unkempt shell]

I’m sorry but how does my character look like arron keener

[versed summit]

well he's white

[pearl turtle]

@unkempt shell

this is mine lol, sorry for the 10 photo spam

the crit chance on my capacitor is low but it’s about 58ish on my vector

still working on getting it higher

[patent fossil]

3pc empress better than 2pc hana u

[pearl turtle]

8% skill efficiency better than 10% from hana u?

[patent fossil]

Skill efficiency is skill damage, skill haste, skill health, duration etc

[pearl turtle]

oh damn

okay noted i’ll go farm a piece rn

[unkempt shell]

Nice pretty good never have crit chance at 60 just have it at 50

[pearl turtle]

yeah i know about the cap

[unkempt shell]

Like u can have the extra ten in crit damage

[pearl turtle]

i don’t think 40 is too bad though especially running coyote? or have i got that totally wrong

[unkempt shell]

Shrugs

Could be worse u on Xbox or na

[pearl turtle]

nah pc

[unkempt shell]

Oh ok

[pearl turtle]

if the game was cross save or cross play then i’d use my xsx lol

[unkempt shell]

I wish it was CROSSPLAY

[pearl turtle]

me too i hate that it isn’t

[unkempt shell]

But then there would be hackers lol

[pearl turtle]

eh hackers exist anyway

i could play this game with way more ppl if it was cross play damn it

idk why it isn’t tbh, i play warframe too and that’s cross play

and i don’t fancy re starting on xbox lol

[unkempt shell]

Yeah

[magic pilot]

It's not even a bad build but it could be better

[unkempt shell]

How

[shy willow]

How tf do you make use of collector

[unkempt shell]

I have no clue

[urban latch]

Free exotic component

[unkempt shell]

Really

[onyx sage]

bro is pushing the paper build to the common populace

[urban latch]

It's just preference/situational between obliterate and pgc

[magic pilot]

More dmg is not situational

[urban latch]

Taking more is

I'm not trashing pgc lol

[magic pilot]

Non believer

Didn't dod just make a video on this

https://youtu.be/mNk-qwZL35M?si=rTC7Ly1JxRD_bCxk

[marble maple]

For a heartbreaker build, would using a backpack heartbreaker piece be better than a chest piece and I swap the chestpiece for ceska with spotter

[fresh fox]

heartbreaker bag sucks

unless for pvp

[marble maple]

The extra armour would help with survivability tho

since the extra armour I get from heartbreaker gets shredded by ads

[fresh fox]

or you can take a damage bag and kill faster

or use memento

that’s pretty good for both

[urban latch]

😬 I'm not really agreeing with his take here lol. He's assuming the difference in time is constant shots, which almost never happens.

[marble maple]

So which of these pieces would be ceska then?

[fresh fox]

mask

[magic pilot]

Ngl I didn't watch it yet, either way I'm using glass

[fresh fox]

dude 😭

[magic pilot]

That's how I felt about the chameleon video though

[urban latch]

Vigilance with HH is so good because the bonus armor you get from HB protects vigi from going inactive when the bonus armor gets hit. You e got the basic setup correct, just need to upgrade the backpack when you can.

[marble maple]

The bonus armour gets absolutely shredded by ads since Im only skill tier 1 shield tho

[versed summit]

can always try artificer to repair the shield. you're likely over exposing yourself though

[magic pilot]

Kingbreaker is hot ass rn too btw

[marble maple]

why is kingbreaker bad rn?

[versed summit]

i mean it's still good

[fresh fox]

just not for burst

[versed summit]

worse than lexington if you have it

[magic pilot]

IMO not good, handling sucks, burst is terrible

[marble maple]

Does low skill tier artificer even do anything for the shield?

[fresh fox]

yea you can’t really tank with red hb

[versed summit]

it's like a couple % off of m4/p416, on burst, but wayyyyyy better on sustain

[onyx sage]

yes

[fresh fox]

like you think you can at least

[magic pilot]

Can't hit anything tho

[marble maple]

Unfortunately my lexington is level 1

[versed summit]

true

[onyx sage]

would use police m4

[versed summit]

custom p416 kinda slaps

[onyx sage]

bro is NOT can tian336

[versed summit]

who could be

[marble maple]

So weapons should be acs-12 + police m4/p416?

[magic pilot]

True

[onyx sage]

those are good

[versed summit]

Kingbreaker is fine too, only issue is if you're having issues at range or maintaining stacks with it.

[magic pilot]

It was a struggling for me to keep stacks with it

But I suck so

[versed summit]

yeah me too

[marble maple]

How do I get a custom p416 g3? Is that the full auto variant?

[versed summit]

ar targeted loot

[marble maple]

Alright ty

[silk solstice]

i feel like i want to make another build. i’ve got a striker and a sniper build, should i do a healer or something?

[magic pilot]

If you build foam I'll run duo with you whenever you want

[silk solstice]

a foam status effect build?

for what dude 😭😭

[fair dragon]

Efficiency

[magic pilot]

Going fast

[fresh fox]

crowd control support

can’t kill you if they can’t move/shoot 🤑🤑🤑🤑

[fair dragon]

They can, actually

[hexed steppe]

Repair is scaled bu skilltier, repair skills, skill efficiency (adds more repair skills).
If leaning into a hb shield build it's probably worth exploring memento over vigilance, damage will be a little less, but you're automatically adding 2 more shield tiers and efficiency scales the repair skills, and the skill health (shield health)

[magic pilot]

Shhhh don't tell people

[silk solstice]

you got the build for it?

[fresh fox]

only after a little bit

[marble maple]

Would it still be a HB chestpiece and 1 ceska?

[fresh fox]

so basically nothing

[hexed steppe]

Yeah

[fresh fox]

just kill enemies before they do that

or disorient them so they don’t shoot

for real

[hexed steppe]

Mine I ceska the mask. I also have a variant that is traditional built with coyote /ceska vig. So its handy ceska being mask so not refarming anything

[magic pilot]

You want electrique gloves so you can swap to BTSU if needed

[silk solstice]

oh is it on the excel sheet

[fresh fox]

google one but yea it’s on there

[hexed steppe]

Since cc is a team thing, also consider opportunistic for bag talent. If everything is stuck your team should be spreading your foam with kills , making creeping redundant 😉

[fresh fox]

depends on the scenario but yea keep one on you just in case

i have my oppo bag favourited for a smooth hot swap

same with going from oppo to creeping

[strong cave]

You just taught me something new. Thank you. Also, for the disaster build, it should be no surprise I went striker with it. I'm thinking a 3/3 (3r 3y) setup with mechanical animal. Ceska chest, btsu gloves. Repair hive and defender drone for skills. Gunner for ammo, yes ik tech exists and I could take artificer but eh it's still a shooter striker build. Need the ammo for my pew pews yk? And for the group and AoK

[versed flame]

I like it in the countdown))

[magic pilot]

Solid

[versed summit]

you can do 4 red 2 yellow with mechanical animal, otherwise going for another AR with normal FP is a recommendable option. the only difference there is 4 seconds extra uptime for Mechanical Animal. Defender drone uptime is pretty mid tbh wouldn't it make more sense to do repair drone maybe?

[versed flame]

two exotics at a time is not bad)

[strong cave]

local inspired me to do some weird defender drone type build the other day. something they said sparked an idea in my head and ive got nothing else to do. why not try it out lmao

[versed summit]

Ahhhhhhhhh

We ball lol

[strong cave]

also, am i crazy but is the M700 Tactical the new SR-1?

lemme check the attachment mods to make sure im not going crazy

[versed summit]

SR-1 is whatever now tbh. White death is the best option tbh, you can use custom M44 for mag reload, but I’m not sure there a point when white death has a clip reload

[strong cave]

lemme see if i have my WD still

unfortunate. i trashed it during the previous updates :(

[versed summit]

Yeah same

Took me getting the blueprint from descent to get another one lmao

[strong cave]

i can just snag another one easy peasy 😴

i get them all the time in CD

[versed summit]

Luckier than me lol

[vestal ibex]

I did too much expertise to toss it. Same with D50. They my babies.

[versed summit]

Yeah I hadn’t expertised mine yet, wasn’t really using MMRs until I started using the SR-1

Only use em on HHF anyways

[sturdy solar]

Okay so I just got the St. Elmo's and was wanting to know if anyone knew any good builds revolving around it

[versed summit]

Really any AR build basically. You can find some in the pinned spreadsheet

[sturdy solar]

Thanks I'll have a look

[graceful coral]

@low narwhal package secure (It dropped with Obliterate on it already too lol)

gonna replace the repair skills attribute with more crit chance

the other attribute is crit damage

[versed flame]

Striker- Top choice-for Elma

[magic pilot]

Not really top choice anymore but it's good

[fresh fox]

when mag empty

ok well when reloading from empty

[versed summit]

true, but still doesn't seem worth it

[versed summit]

well striker is the best choice for elmo. elmo isn't the best choice for striker though

[strong cave]

elmo kinda now

famas or lexington with killer will outperform it

[hexed steppe]

Nice , I aim to please

[magic pilot]

True

And a square is a rectangle but a rectangle is not a square

[onyx sage]

that's right, it goes in the square hole

[hexed steppe]

Proper application of force makes the shape of the hole irrelevant

I'll see myself out 🍻

[strong cave]

This guy knows how to build 🔥💥 look at you go, agent!

[strong cave]

That's what she-
Nvm

[strong cave]

Definitely gotta give this a try 👀

[versed summit]

everything with killer will technically outperform it tbh

[magic pilot]

About half the ARs without a talent out burst Elmo

[hybrid violet]

@onyx sage so my build should look something like this?

[hexed steppe]

godmode activated

[onyx sage]

no, those are actual blue gear

[solar sable]

why u focusing on builds before lvl40? lol

[hybrid violet]

Oh you mean the other gear. Gotcha

Preparing myself for later

[onyx sage]

context is they were asking about how gear set items look blue

but this one isn't the same

[solar sable]

ohh smellblind or what was that called

(jk)

[hybrid violet]

I thought originally i hit the mark with a few of my gear for mixed colored attributes though.

[hexed steppe]

just keep using the best you can get until you hit 40... vendors are a good place to look ever few levels

[hybrid violet]

Vendor doesnt like me…

Unless i can increase overall dmg

[hexed steppe]

changes every level so worth checking

[hybrid violet]

Is the revolver supposed to be there from lv1 cause its the same revolver

[onyx sage]

don't worry about any of this until you are level 40

[hybrid violet]

Understood

[onyx sage]

you cannot prefarm any of the gear you'll need later

[hybrid violet]

Gotcha. Luckily I have a little stockpile of lv40 gear

Imma get to the grind in the dz. Wish me luck

[trim wedge]

I’m so lost

How you have a stockpile of level 40 gear at level 13?

[hazy steeple]

@trim wedge This is an alt character, in div2 it's known as a "watch mule".

[trim wedge]

Ahh didn’t see it was an alt, was so lost

[hazy steeple]

There's no real visual indication on the screen, it's just that the game has been around for so long now, most people have ended up making a few new chars.
The main benefit to them is that any SHD watch levels you gain are carried over once you reach Lvl 40 again, so it's "shared", so to speak.

[trim wedge]

Yeah them printer filament mules 👹

[hazy steeple]

Actually. Credits > then mass-buying mods, is generally the more efficient way to use them, but it's up to you.
If you buy skill mods and have "delete duplicated" or whatever in your options screen, you can just buy until you're broke.

[magic pilot]

It's a bug rn that lvl 40 gear drops to players under 40

Idk what rivens is talking about it's not a watch mule

That's his main character

[trim wedge]

That’s what I was thinking lol

Homie don’t even know what a watch mule is 😂

[shy willow]

How much more efficient is credits>mods>filament anyway compared to getting filament directly

[hexed steppe]

227 scav per proficient instead of 300 scav per

[shy willow]

Oh sweet

But how long am I gonna have to sit there😔

[hexed steppe]

it was a lot slower before self deconstructing skill mods

you just set there and hit the buy button till out of cash or maxed on printer filament

500 clicks every proficient item 😆

[dreamy valve]

This looks to be the average pug group builds

[versed summit]

jesus

[dreamy valve]

They did pretty well with me being the tank

[shy willow]

YOOOO HHF enjoyer in there

[uncut sedge]

What's the quickest way to get the wave holster if you haven't had it yet?

[versed summit]

countdown holster targeted loot

[hybrid violet]

Its not a big stockpile. But it is more than I thought I would have at lv13

[uncut sedge]

I've had it about 100 times today, but I only get different ones

[hybrid violet]

That is true

I know some of these are dupes aside from having different attributes, but I don’t know which direction I personally want to go yet.

The only issue I have with the game atm is that elites and vets barely drop any gear and most of, if not all, lv40 gear comes from control point storage room chests

[solar sable]

not entirely true

and it would be no fun/grind if all NPC's dropped 1 or more pieces

[bleak sequoia]

glances nervously at countdown

[solar sable]

fk console subs for multiplayer dude

[bleak sequoia]

Virtuoso and Legatus are both very niche for builds. IMHO it's 100% safe to junk or sell them all

[hybrid violet]

That is fair. I see your point.

[bleak sequoia]

if you really want a Virtuoso set later it's super easy to farm

[solar sable]

yup, everyone would have every build within hours if that was a thing

[hybrid violet]

Would it not be an easy start or does it just quite literally fall in your lap quite often for those gear sets?

[bleak sequoia]

gearsets are really easy to farm tbh. Because they roll with just one minor attribute and you can either recalibrate the core or the minor

it's the reason why all new level 40s are suggested to put together a Striker's set immediately. Takes a couple hours tops

[hybrid violet]

Gotcha. So which is faster for me to lv up to 40. Dz, Lz?

[bleak sequoia]

this is an alt or your first char?

[hybrid violet]

First

[bleak sequoia]

you've done literally every mission? Including side missions? And somehow still level 16?

[hybrid violet]

Oh no.

[bleak sequoia]

well then finish the missions 😄

[hybrid violet]

I will. I promise.

Ill do challenging on top of it all for better xp

Or heroic whichever is hardest

[bright raptor]

Determined Mk17 instead of an M870 though

it's also a hilarious encapsulation of the game's players at this point - of course the low SHD one is a mess, the obvious XP exploiter has whatever that is because they only really play the XP exploit, and the one in the middle has an actual build of sorts

[fresh fox]

boooooo

m870 or nothing

[bleak sequoia]

you can't, you're locked to Story difficulty the first time you do any mission, that's why it's good to do them naturally when you're levelling up instead of having to go back and unlock them later

[hybrid violet]

Gotcha. I appreciate the help.

Ill grind more tomorrow but strictly story

[bleak sequoia]

btw the level 40 gear, I'd sell it instead of deconstructing. You won't be crafting anything at low levels anyway, and the cash is good for buying better gear if you fall behind while levelling up

[hybrid violet]

Will do.

[orchid timber]

is the "iron lung" lmg any good at all? I got it randomly while doing a level 3 control point

[silk solstice]

not really

[orchid timber]

idrk what exotic to use since I dont wanna waste a exotic slot for nothing

[subtle bluff]

Exotics aren't the best all the time.

[shy willow]

One of the best lmgs

And yeah as chow said you don't have to run exotics

Sometimes they just don't fit

[leaden forum]

Not really asking build advice but what do I start really grinding out once I hit level 40?

[hoary sail]

try here if it's not for build #ask-td2-community

[leaden forum]

Thank you I couldn’t find the channel sorry

[orchid timber]

I am having a ton of issues with survivability and I need a build that can tank. Enemies above heroic difficulty shred my healthbar with my current dps build and I cant do anything about it.

[versed flame]

kill faster than they kill you)

[shy willow]

The idea with DPS is to do the above^

[glad heart]

Welcome to the Division 2, where survivability and damage, oppose each other, and it is hard to find middle ground. The higher the Armor, toward tank) the lower the dps (damage) and vice versa. This is a cover shooter, that punishes the player that is out of cover. Tanks are basically not worth much, because you cannot kill anything. Look in the pinned spreadsheet, there are ways to increase survivability, but usually at the cost of a higher time to kill

[subtle bluff]

Above heroic? You on legendary?

[silk solstice]

hey guys i made my striker build and for some reason its doing just mediocre damage and i dont know why.

[solar sable]

You have to build some stacks while dealing dmg, its dmg is based on stacking and maintaining them as long as you can

[silk solstice]

i know that. im saying with stacks

[shy willow]

How much are you hitting for?

Build looks fine

[solar sable]

yeah, it's fine

[silk solstice]

idk like 650k crit body

my teammates were like

doing so so much more w the same build

[shy willow]

Likely watch stats and optimisation

Shouldn't be much of a difference though

[silk solstice]

well i feel weak

[solar sable]

I did around 700-720k before shd 1000 so... I guess it's that and Countdown buffs

[unkempt shell]

Wanna play later ?

[shy willow]

If you wanna squeeze in more damage you can run glass cannon and vigilance

[subtle bluff]

You have DTA vs DTTooC on your Elmo

[silk solstice]

i spent 17 exotic components and didnt get dttc once 😭

[subtle bluff]

I feel you. I spend 30 on my ouro

[silk solstice]

but theres no way thats THAT big of a change

[subtle bluff]

DTA only works on Armor. Once you get to Health it drop off also it's 6% vs 10%. It adds up.

[silk solstice]

i feel super weak against armor too.

[subtle bluff]

Also your 650k Crit is that on armor or HP.

[silk solstice]

uh

not sure lowk

[subtle bluff]

If you're compare your damage vs the guys you with in incursion we're all running Striker Chest and we really know what we're doing.

[silk solstice]

nah i mean ive run into like 10 plus people with the same build but all of them doing way more than me

[subtle bluff]

I see you joined my community discord.

[vapid quarry]

im somewhat finishing my build rn and changing things up but im not too sure on if i should be doing 1 blue 5 red or what

[silk solstice]

met a guy who invited me to it haha

[subtle bluff]

Walter

[silk solstice]

yes

good people

[subtle bluff]

Is that a question? If you want builds go to the Pinned Messages on the top right.

[plush field]

Is there striker tank build ?

[versed flame]

Just add armor instead of red ones.

[silk solstice]

you could def make one i just dont know why you would

[versed flame]

Heartbreaker bild

[plush field]

Outboros + shield

[outer dawn]

I'm running a regen/tanky build and Ninjabike and foundry. Backfire would generally be my best DPS if the bleed isn't a big deal right? I got 56% crit

[solar sable]

nbb spotted

[solar sable]

got no gp core, sorry

[outer dawn]

Memento is cool of course, but if I'm bouncin around I'm not always gonna be able to ramp it up and Ninjabike is better off the rip

[low narwhal]

V nice!! A lot to upgrade from 8% weapons dmg alone I see but shouldn’t be a problem 🙂

[unkempt shell]

Ah it all good

[humble meteor]

dabbled into optimization yesterday. they really expect me to play 500h to maximize one exotic?

[restive dome]

welcome to the world of online looter shooters

[strong cave]

Sounds like somebody might be using a tuxedo bandito build

[humble meteor]

I wasted hours of grinding heroic cp4 with all directives this weekend for that hyena optimization material (said it drops from yellow bosses), only to realize cp bosses don‘t drop it (after my 15th cp or so)

well not really wasted… got shd levels but oh well

[strong cave]

You get them from the crates

The crates drops the blueprints

[outer dawn]

@strong cave I don't know who that is

[humble meteor]

sadly didn‘t get the blueprint for them

[strong cave]

Shd level?

[humble meteor]

i‘m 219 i think

[strong cave]

Keep grinding those points, once you start seeing the 7.62 extended mag, you'll know you're nearing the completion of your control points blueprints grind

7.62 extended mag will be one of the last things you unlock excluding the optimization resource crafting blueprints

[humble meteor]

yeah I like the points, very easy to solo grind. but i think i‘m a decade away from finishing the bps 😂

[strong cave]

I say casually farm 10 points per day. Within 100 days you'll at least be SHD 1000

[outer dawn]

@strong cave I'm assuming that dudes is a Twitch streamer who runs the same thing? Does he run backfire? Goig back and forth between that, Chameleon, Elmos, or maybe even Strega

[strong cave]

I was extreme and would do about 100 points per day during xp events and global events

[humble meteor]

is the backfire build the one with 100% bleed resistance? thats also on my list

thankfully i got backfire from a cache a few days ago

[outer dawn]

i dont have bleed resistance. I just eat the bleed with my regen

[strong cave]

He would run it with 3 piece foundry, ninjabike and I think 2 other high end pieces for more bonuses. Realistically ninjabike builds are automatically nerfed once you take ninjabike. Backpack talents are insanely strong in this game and being a tank is redundant in this game as well. Red builds like striker and hotshot will clear content the quickest and the easiest

Unlike builds where they're more armor reliant. Heartbreaker is an exception

[outer dawn]

I die sometimes with strikers. I don't die now. I'm sure it's TTK is lower but not significantly so vs my Strikers or Negotiators with Strega

[humble meteor]

is the pinned backfire build the best one?

[outer dawn]

@humble meteor No idea. Never seen it.

[humble meteor]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/18nCNXhxQQQT7AXhEyRoUbKoY7zjf3a5QdPH2EUoQg6s/mobilebasic

[outer dawn]

I'm running with Ninjabike, 3 foundry, 1 belstone, 1 Golan

[humble meteor]

this one

[outer dawn]

Ahh. No it's a little different. I don't get bonus armor @humble meteor

[humble meteor]

I also saved a youtube video with a build for it

[outer dawn]

And no Hazpro

[humble meteor]

not sure if i‘m allowed to link?

[outer dawn]

Not sure. Wouldn't see why not if its not self promotion.

[humble meteor]

https://youtu.be/6WDWG_msNsg

I saved up quite a few builds I want to try, this is high on my list

[outer dawn]

Oh thats the dude @strong cave was talkin about.

[humble meteor]

but I keep hearing most youtubers take meta builds and turn them into variations that don‘t really work most of the time

[outer dawn]

Mine's a little different. I got 3.5% armor regen a sec so the bleed doesn't do much as long as you are fine with the red flashing.

[humble meteor]

there is one youtuber that posts "NEW BEST DPS BUILD GODMODE ENGAGED" video every week

[outer dawn]

I like being a bit tanky. I make mistakes sometimes and get surrounded etc. Not dying is a big overall time saver vs an extra second or two TTK

[humble meteor]

i don‘t care about bleed effects, I just want to megaton melt and see armor regen immortality 😂

[strong cave]

I run an Umbra/Ninjabike variant with 60 hazpro and 100 bleed resistance. Makes for a good PvE/pvp hybrid

[outer dawn]

@humble meteor yeah every game has those guys sadly

If I was a flawless player I'm sure a pure DPS build is objectively better

[humble meteor]

i‘m just thankful I got a good coyote mask, that seems to be BiS for loads of dps builds

[strong cave]

Running butcher and it's something stupid like 2 pc Richter and Kaiser and 3 piece 5.11 and says it's the best DPS build lol

[humble meteor]

I run pure dps now but it‘s unforgiving when you aren‘t on your toes, so not that fun when farming

[strong cave]

Does more CHD than Grupo and benefits the team

[strong cave]

Hotshot will change your life. Currently the cheese and probably always will be

[outer dawn]

Yeah when I'm farming I'm typically listening to music/podcast and sometimes talking to friends so I def don't play perfect

[hoary sail]

tf really 🤣. never watch this guy

[outer dawn]

@strong cave is Hotshot the 1 shot build?

[strong cave]

Dead serious. Look the channel up. I've made loads of build correction comments and questioned his choices 😂😂

[outer dawn]

That was good stuff when I used to play a lot couple years ago. Just came back 2 weeks ago

[humble meteor]

I run this atm: https://lite.evernote.com/note/0d1135cf-139c-394e-53f6-02c1b8b4cea9

thats what I set up years ago when I played. It‘s not min-maxed (has quite a few pieces with e.g. headshot dmg or weapon handling god rolls) but my crits hit 700-800k heroic cp4 so it does for now

[strong cave]

Correct. You can actually run it with ninjabike this season if build properly with the right modifiers

Around 1.3m armor too

[hoary sail]

I will check for the fun 😂

[outer dawn]

Yeah. It's def good. I'm an old man and have nerve damage in my hands so my aim isn't always perfect so I can't always HS moving targets

[humble meteor]

Lexington and a smg (grudge? not sure). I‘m not really into mmr or rifles, prefer AR/SMG so not sure if hotshot is for me?

[outer dawn]

I wish I came back before Lexington went away.

[strong cave]

You will cringe hardcore at it. Dude recommended a pure AoK build for legendary. Dude did perpetually NO damage 😂

[outer dawn]

Hate I missed that

[unkempt shell]

My build is beautiful

[bright raptor]

that's wholly valid if you don't want Hotshot + Headhunter antics

[unkempt shell]

Works amazing clearing out outposts

[hoary sail]

Indeed 😂

[humble meteor]

my goal is to farm striker godrolls in NY cp4 this week so I can finally build a striker dps build. I already got a god rolls striker mask

[unkempt shell]

Do sumit u get a chance better in there on legendary

[humble meteor]

but idk if strikers is for me, not into shotguns for stacks building

[humble meteor]

legendary summit is probably too hard for me solo

[unkempt shell]

Use Lexington assault rifle gets way more stacks

[humble meteor]

ye I use lexington

i somehow got 2

[gentle lichen]

When it comes to best clear
I'm not sure anything bests HHHF with regulus
You can argue determined but that really shined in reanimated imo

[bright raptor]

bold for someone with that Hotshot build to go in Legendary Summit, give my regards to the hapless guys carrying you

[gentle lichen]

But if you aren't a perfect player something along the lines of striker is just your best bet

[unkempt shell]

U get two

[hoary sail]

well I test my build in legend summit to see if it works

[unkempt shell]

I dont use headshot I uses the striker Lexington build

[strong cave]

I think that's a good place to test for damage

[humble meteor]

would love to do a raid for eagle bearer etc and countdown with you guys on here but i fear i‘m not that flexible when it comes to hopping on spontaneously

[bright raptor]

I mean if you're OK with losing the sheer power of Regulus explosions a 586/686 with Determined is also pretty good once you get the HH stacks going

[unkempt shell]

Honestly eagle bearer isn’t worth it in a build but for collecting maybe

[strong cave]

GCRock discord server will happily gather raid players together and get you the gun. Dozens if not hundreds of raids are hosted daily there

I host some myself but haven't in months. Need a reason to come back lol

[humble meteor]

ye i want it for collection, tried a few times years ago but none dropped when I played raids with this discord

[unkempt shell]

Well if u was on Xbox it would be easier I think or u can try dark zone

But it is hella rare drop

[strong cave]

It's still unbelievably stronger than st Elmo's

[gentle lichen]

The closest damage to regulus is harvest
And even that doesn't have the pinpoint accuracy of regulus
Personally i do heroic CPs mostly so i have to find a purple to 2 shot and immediately jump to 1 shotting elites

[unkempt shell]

IS IT

[gentle lichen]

I'm not sure if that is possible with harvest

[bright raptor]

there's always the GCRock server - in the end it's always a question of whether there's a raid group mostly ready to go whenever you're on

[humble meteor]

i‘m on there, will check it out

[strong cave]

Elmo's got nerfed this update and so did EB. They do the same damage. EB's talent is stronger bc a headshot kill will grant tenacity. Get 3 kills before 15s (10 in pvp), all damage you took is completely mitigated

[outer dawn]

So sad they nerfed my precious Scorpio build from when I was active couple years ago

[bright raptor]

same issue with needing to survive long enough to two shot/three shot a yellow bar

most convenient is having a regular patrol leaving the place

[gentle lichen]

EB talent also gives you more damage

[bright raptor]

your sacrifice will be remembered red bar

[gentle lichen]

That is a hidden effect

[strong cave]

Scorpio is still sort of viable. It feels clunky to use now

[strong cave]

Not bug, is feature 🤠

[outer dawn]

I need to get an EB. Is it still DZ and Raid only?

[gentle lichen]

Very much so

[outer dawn]

Damn

[unkempt shell]

Interesting

[gentle lichen]

Infinitely harder to get through dz imo

And i once got a ravenous from there

[unkempt shell]

But is it better than Lexington

[strong cave]

DZ or Raid only yes. But if you're gonna raid, join GCRocks discord server. Thousands of people run raids daily and will help you get the gun. They'll teach you raids too

They'll also drop it for you too

[outer dawn]

@strong cavecan you hook up a link?

[gentle lichen]

I don't think advertising serves is allowed here

[strong cave]

Visit GC Rocks yt channel. His discord is posted on all his descriptions for his videos

[gentle lichen]

Or sending a link specifically

[strong cave]

You could also just look up GCRock discord

[outer dawn]

gotcha. thanks

[strong cave]

💥🔥 you got this, agent! Go snag you an EB

[unkempt shell]

Got the eb years ago never used it once well maybe once but cant remember

[bright raptor]

also the high end all red all crit chance and crit damage build is mandatory

just to head off any accusations that being kicked for refusing to use something other than a hybrid is gatekeeping

[unkempt shell]

I wish u could change the gun look like cod

But on cosmetic wise doesn’t change how the gun works like have the feather from eagle bearer on Lexington and change the barrel of the gun to something military like

O doubt that will ever happen

[sinful acorn]

My Virginian build is popping off

This does so much damage in comparison to striker builds for heroic dailies we're running with a friend

[strong cave]

Post it. Does the build get it's damage from modifiers? Or do the numbers hit good for vanilla?

[sinful acorn]

I'm running quicken and one that's left of it

I posted it a couple of times, do a search from:fuppy has:image

[strong cave]

Solid setup 🔥💥

[gentle lichen]

I might be speculating here but i think simply posting the image wouldn't waste our times

[strong cave]

I'd run a cqb tho

[strong cave]

Coyote, 3 PC Providence, 3pc zwi

[sinful acorn]

running district union atm

[strong cave]

Perf vigi perf glass that whole shebang

Wait no sorry

3 PC Providence 2 piece zwi coyote

[gentle lichen]

Why not ceska grupo foxes

[strong cave]

It's 06:28 I'm waking up 😴😴

[strong cave]

Virginian. Mag size

[gentle lichen]

Sure lose perf glass but what's the overall loss

[strong cave]

That would be my guess for why 2 pc zwi

[sinful acorn]

Yeah you're right

[strong cave]

🤠☺️ less goooo

[sinful acorn]

Get one more bullet in "mag" to burst more

[gentle lichen]

I'm saying instead of provi

[strong cave]

I dare say ditch coyote and go Centurions

[shy willow]

Ya crit isn't gonna do much on a one shot build

[sinful acorn]

It's a bodyshot build

[shy willow]

Unless it's built for crit in which case you'll want something with a faster fire rate

[strong cave]

That's a new option this season for mag size. Seeing it with chatterbox frequently and not just in pve either

[strong cave]

CQB or Mk17

[shy willow]

Solid options

[strong cave]

Could go ravenous too 🤷

You should have plenty of crit

I've been using the M16 rifle lately. Burst, the recoil is easy to control. Boomerang on it hits like a freight train. Try it

[sinful acorn]

I might swap out mag size for foxes+something

But I started playing 3 weeks ago and don't have everything yet

Including Ravenous

[strong cave]

Ahhh makes sense then. Yeah go for an Mk17. Could use an M16 as well

[sinful acorn]

I wanted a Virginian build :P

I love lever guns

[strong cave]

M16 would be a Vietnam build tho 😭😭

[sinful acorn]

I'm mostly 15-25m or 25m+ so that's why I like Coyote's

Need to play this a bit more to put expertise on weapon

[strong cave]

When you farm countdown, just throw Virginian as a secondary. It should passively level it up

[sinful acorn]

I hate farming Countdown tho

[strong cave]

Any content you do

[sinful acorn]

I'm using it as primary rn :P

[strong cave]

Countdown just has the most objective based XP and has most enemy density

[sinful acorn]

I just outdamaged some 37k SHD striker guy

[strong cave]

Rip 😂😂

[sinful acorn]

Not sure what his setup was exactly but amount of armor on him and Elmo usage says striker to me

[strong cave]

I need to slot back together my crit aces build... Do more testing with it. I feel now as if I didn't properly test it when I did a few months back

[strong cave]

Definitely striker

[sinful acorn]

Got my Nemesis now too

[strong cave]

I hated waiting for those projects. Was so obnoxious

[sinful acorn]

6 reconfigures

[strong cave]

Mine dropped with that attribute 😂

But DAYUM that's a solid reconfigure

[sinful acorn]

Might give it a whirl with my white death setup

[strong cave]

Nemesis can hit for stupid high numbers. The charge up and exposure time makes this gun tricky. That's what pixel peeking is for tho lol

It's dirty in PvP and it's used in speed run methods for PvE Raids

[subtle bluff]

That build could do more. You're not using Fox's even.. DTTooC and Rifle dmg.
If your doing it that way Diamondback maybe funny.

[sinful acorn]

Yeah I know I'm not using them

But I did mention I was considering using foxes and some gloves, but I think the damage is good enough and +1 bullet helps

+20% rifle damage not too shabby either

[fresh fox]

foxes would do more

is it just high end rifle

[sinful acorn]

I need to see what that would do to my crit%

Virginian

It's perfectly balanced for my usecase right now

[fresh fox]

you lose either 6 chc or 12 chd

but you do more damage either way

[sinful acorn]

I would need foxes with crit chance I think

Instead of damage

[gentle lichen]

You can adjust with mods

[sinful acorn]

Oh right true xd

They're all crit dmg atm

But ye I also lose 1 bullet from mag which helps me to burst

[fresh fox]

what is this build

let’s goooo

[magic pilot]

Omg Compton so lucky

[magic pilot]

Think it's a 1886 HH

[fresh fox]

gotcha

foxes is still champ

[magic pilot]

^

High end crit rifle

Tbh I think dropping third providence is the move

For Fox

[dapper cloak]

is it worth having an extra armor core on the gloves so I can get shot for an extra half second before dying, or should I go all in on weapon damage

[shy willow]

Nah

Not worth

You'd be better off ditching ninja for the striker bag too tbh

[plush field]

this build good?

[fair dragon]

At 252 I'd give that a 8/10

[junior vessel]

What would be a good build for PvE with Firewall spec?

[patent fossil]

Hunters fury, memento, ceska chest with obliterate or intimidate, your choice of smg/shotgun, striker shield

You could go headhunter instead of crit if you fancy a close range one shot build (best with regulus)

[fresh fox]

perfect

acs talent could be different but overall pretty good

[dapper cloak]

bet ty

[versed flame]

Something like that, armor-decide for yourself

[trim wedge]

What could you trade momento for ?

A solkolov bag with bloodsucker/adr rush

[versed flame]

Sokolov-yes, it's not bad either!2 pcs

but the survivability will be lower

[patent fossil]

Probably grupo. Ad rush/bloodsucker if you're running intimidate on the chest, or you could maybe go with unstoppable force if you're going with obliterate and don't mind being a bit squishier

[trim wedge]

Yeah it’s just a armour on kill set stacker more aok isn’t needed and I feel like something different would make me actually like HF

[tulip charm]

Police m4

[versed flame]

carbine 7

[tulip charm]

Lexi is basically a reskinned police m4 with a bit more damage

[cyan drift]

#FireTheCampusVendor is back

[bleak sequoia]

Coyotes is always good for AR DPS right? I'm trying to figure out when Ceska is better and it seems you have to spend about 50% of your time in near range for it to break even

[hazy steeple]

If you're talking about a Strikers setup, then you ideally want both Coyotes+ceska.

[bleak sequoia]

HE red DPS, 3x providence 1x foxes - thinking about 2 other slots

considering also Contractors

[hazy steeple]

You probably don't have enough stat rolls for both Fox+Contractors.

due to the %'s of CHC you can get via rolls vs CHD, you absolutely want as much innate CHC without wasting Attribute Rolls where possible.

[bleak sequoia]

sorry what does that mean

[hazy steeple]

basically: chc rolls should mainly come from brandsets, chd rolls from attributes.

[bright raptor]

you want sources of crit chance that aren't from stat rolls on your gear

Ceska gives you 10% crit chance regardless of whether it has a crit chance roll

[bleak sequoia]

Ok, yes - my rolls aren't good and gear isn't optimized - this loadout has ceska, 3x prov, contractors, foxes

[bright raptor]

I mean that's actually pretty good

really good, even

[shy willow]

8 now rip

[hazy steeple]

That is very much an "oh no, anyway" situation, for the record.

[bleak sequoia]

This is with 3x Prov, Foxes, Grupo, Coyotes. So no contractor (no 8% armor damage)

can probably ignore the lower base damage, it's because the red cores are not optimized

[hazy steeple]

The fact that Contractors' only works on enemies with a white bar over their health is kinda funny.

[bleak sequoia]

yeah maybe not so reliable? and I'm not using LMG

[hazy steeple]

The specific weapon damage buff on brandsets (fenris/sokolov/etc) is actually based off your weapon damage before the red cores are added, so don't worry too much about it.

It's why Fenris is rarely seriously receommended for DPS setups.

[bleak sequoia]

oh so it's super weak. 10% is actually more like 2%

so the difference is about 25% CHD vs 8% DtA

basically Grupo vs contractor

[hazy steeple]

If you threw ceska on there instead, how many attributes could you remove the CHC from?

[bleak sequoia]

hard to fit. I'd remove the 3.4x scope on the Lexi to lose the 5% CHC there

nothing much else... unless I roll one of my CHC to HSD or something

[hazy steeple]

I mean CHC rolls that you have within attribute slots, you have to have some, unless it's all within gearmods, which are also better served as CHD where possible.

[bleak sequoia]

yeah I have 6 CHC rolls

no 5

forgot foxes is Dtooc

[hazy steeple]

Ideally, you want as little CHC via attributes as possible, whilst still reaching the cap (in the case of Coyotes, 50-55% is perfect, in case you step out of the ideal range)

[bleak sequoia]

Ok, in that case: 2x Prov, Foxes, Contractors, Ceska, Coyotes

I think this is optimal. I'm getting as many of those +8% CHC from gearset as possible while having 2 pieces that don't have CHC on rolls and using those slots for special DTOOC and DTA instead

[tulip charm]

Sounds about right

You’d be at 50% if everything js maxed out

[bleak sequoia]

Thanks, I'll give it a try. TY Rivens and The Fan of Ikia\

gonna miss that 3.4x scope, I swear it makes my grouping tighter

[sinful acorn]

@strong cave I ended up changing my Virginian setup, it's now:

Lost 13% hs and 8% crit damage, gained 8% dtooc and 10% rifle damage

Threw away entire Providence set

[magic pilot]

Coyotes will outperform ceska/grupo

[magic pilot]

Looks good

Now do the headshot setup

[sinful acorn]

Determined variant?

I have that already, 3p breaking point, prov bp, chainkiller, foxes I think

[magic pilot]

Mid

[sinful acorn]

wdym mid, I think it's better than that setup? 3p breaking point is 25% rifle damage and 30% hs compared to 20% rifle and... mag size and some weapon handling?

[bleak sequoia]

are you accounting for the fact that gearsets have 1 minor and not 2?

[sinful acorn]

Yeah you second is usually weapon handling for brandset headshot builds

[bleak sequoia]

yeah true, can't think of anything good to stick in there since you're not reliant on crits for oneshot builds

is that even viable outside of the event?

[onyx sage]

the weapon handling is the real difference and it does make a big difference

[sinful acorn]

For first headshot maybe

[onyx sage]

you're not hitting higher kill thresholds with breaking point either so might as well get something else on the side

[onyx sage]

it affects your reload speed and stability (which helps alleviate sway)

you can't mod 1886 to put on stability so having less sway helps

[magic pilot]

I didn't test 3pc breakpoint but the 2 pc was worse than habs+ providence

[bleak sequoia]

what affects the speed of crosshair convergence?

[onyx sage]

nothing

on rifles, nothing

[magic pilot]

Plus I can swap in palisade

[bleak sequoia]

boo

[sinful acorn]

I kinda got bored of Determined already too

[onyx sage]

good

[sinful acorn]

Enough of it for reanims xd

[onyx sage]

hit heads well and you can main regulus

[magic pilot]

Yea dont run it

[onyx sage]

and m870

[sinful acorn]

I wish I had regulus

And Ravenous. And Ouroboros

[magic pilot]

@elfin nacelle

Help this person

[sinful acorn]

Who did you ping

[onyx sage]

he knows a bunch of raiders

[sinful acorn]

Ah

[onyx sage]

we're summoning help for you

[sinful acorn]

My problem is that I don't know the fights, vid on it was 1h 40min and image version had 30 images with way too much text on each

[onyx sage]

you won't be doing the heavy mechanics

just worry about ad clear

[sinful acorn]

Yeah I can do that

[trim wedge]

Just be consistent, you’ll find people looking for ftc

[onyx sage]

pc land is very easy to find raid help for

[trim wedge]

Lots of people have everything and are bored and just raid all day

[onyx sage]

✨ networking ✨

[magic pilot]

Trixy runs IH raids a lot

[elfin nacelle]

🤨

[elfin nacelle]

I wished..

[magic pilot]

We need an expert IH

[elfin nacelle]

haha you are pro! wdym

[sinful acorn]

I'd love to!

I also have a friend that I play this game with, we have the same setups

But if you can only fit one, I can sort of come to learn the encounters and then tell him how they go

[dreamy valve]

We need a 3rd raid map

After 6 years

[versed summit]

It seems they’ve decided it isn’t worth it

[magic pilot]

Second incursion already got scrapped so

[tulip charm]

really?

Damn

[versed summit]

Yeah they said they have no plans for more incursions

[magic pilot]

Maybe because they can't figure out how to design a lvl that cant be beaten in under 20 minutes

[versed summit]

Is that really an issue for anyone?

[humble meteor]

add defend this area from endless hordes for 10min mechanics in every room

hire me massive

[magic pilot]

Idk they claimed the first incursion was supposed to be this huge team coordinated thing with a lot of emphasis that it's NOT a dps check

..... we got a dps check

[versed summit]

Well fair

That was pretty funny

[elfin nacelle]

He can join also. Np

[sinful acorn]

When are you planning to run one? Today or this week sometime?

[subtle bluff]

If this is built and played right. It'll keep up with Hotshot.

[tulip charm]

I mean it requires coordination but they forgot speedrunners exist

[bright raptor]

if you build something that even a 3Y 3B build can (eventually) clear, shock, horror, the all red DPS maxing build will do it the fastest

[elfin nacelle]

Probably this week somewhere. You can dm me and then when we go raid ill let you know

[onyx sage]

coordinatation 🫵 😆

[strong cave]

Sorry to butt in on a convo that's not even mine but be fr there's no coordination in division lol we all mostly solo players 😂😂

@sinful acorn I saw the build, looks much better 💥

[subtle bluff]

RMM... last I did one got 2 Chinese guys at 9k and 11k and a then 19k SHD. 2 died at tanker from drones but had emp on them. Then for moss they ran behind and then emp mossed.....
On Wright they... All died 2 times then left.

[subtle bluff]

Got to join me for incursion

[sinful acorn]

It feels really good, although not that noticeably different altogether

[onyx sage]

lmfao

[strong cave]

Waiting for the right time 🥲 been hard to get time off from culinary school and work

[subtle bluff]

Ooof I get that one. You're on that grind irl

[strong cave]

Yeah in order to really maximize your build, you'd wanna calculate your burst and sustained DPS (how TF do you even do that on a rifle)

That's completely different math involved to calculate that

[sinful acorn]

I can sustain pretty good I would say

[strong cave]

It's been rough :(( trying my hardest. It only took me like 2 months to complete the journey if that tells you anything

[subtle bluff]

There's a calculator for that. I'll grab in a min.

[strong cave]

Yes definitely need to find that again. I need to learn how to use it too but if I'm not mistaken there's formulas in the cells already that do it for you

Just take your damage numbers and all that and paste it

[subtle bluff]

Nah I have respect for cooks that enjoy it. I didn't for a lil here and there. I get but it's too hot for me.

[strong cave]

It's been fun learning cooking in both irl and my own builds. I definitely need to start using the sustained and burst DPS calculator so that way when I go to make my PVP builds I'll know which ones do the best and which areas they do the worst at

[subtle bluff]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FaDDfFIqOgdTfceG2ByFvmgStZ6K7whC-7LdND6WXL0/edit?usp=sharing

[tulip charm]

no bolli me ples

[subtle bluff]

But also our zoo leggo speed and coordination with me was not much. LOL

[plush field]

is this good pvp buiild?

or what shoud i change

[urban latch]

thats a pve build

[versed flame]

Destruction-you will not be able to attack in PVP

and we need armor

[plush field]

and what pvp build for outboros woud you prefer ?

[versed summit]

I'd recommend checking out the PvP build guide in the pinned spreadsheets

[magic pilot]

Yea its alright

[plush field]

alright tnx

[versed flame]

I saw a similar build, but there was Sokolov-2 pieces, armor-4 pieces, and this is an old build-before stryker deteriorated

It's worth finding a better build.

[magic pilot]

@plush field

Measured tac vector is a good option too

[plush field]

ok thank you man

[plush field]

what red mod do this build use

[static garden]

Crit dmg

[plush field]

only?

[onyx sage]

yeah, you have too much chc with ouro

maybe 1 chc mod but not too much

[vapid quarry]

on st elmos what attribute should i be targeting?

nvm, foudn out

[solar sable]

which one? 👀

[vapid quarry]

damage to targetes out of cover

[smoky pagoda]

This build is still working in progress. But any tips would be appreciated.

[onyx sage]

switch the fenris to ceska

[plush field]

so is it any good?

[bleak sequoia]

what content is this for?

[plush field]

i liketo pve and pvp also

[bleak sequoia]

so just regular stuff, not incursion or raids

[plush field]

yea that too

[bleak sequoia]

do you find you're over 100 Striker stacks consistently when you play?

[plush field]

yup

[bleak sequoia]

cool, nice

I'm usually <50

but I solo a lot, so either I'm dead or the enemy is dead at 50 stacks, never reach 100

[plush field]

like when it have full striker the outboros do 500K dmg per shot

[bleak sequoia]

I think your CHC is being capped. aim for 50% with Coyotes

[plush field]

chc:

[bleak sequoia]

your CHD is much too low, it should be well over 100%. 120-150% would be good

[plush field]

:?

[bleak sequoia]

Critical Hit Chance

[hexed steppe]

Crit chance

[plush field]

ahh

i mean ppl say i need to have 50 critical hit chance

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, before coyote buff

[bleak sequoia]

I think you have more than 60 and the game limits it to 60, you cannot exceed so it is a waste

[plush field]

i have it to 60

[hexed steppe]

Oh yeah, definitely over the cap

[plush field]

alright tnx for advice

[hexed steppe]

Its more. Start swapping chc mods/rolls to chd till *crit chance says 50

[plush field]

kk

[hexed steppe]

Should only need 3 total

We need more ppl using nego 😍

[steady copper]

good for pve, not so much for pvp unless you have high stacks before a fight

pve is about sustained damage over time, pvp is about how much dmg can I do in a short amount of time

[trim wedge]

I love nego

How you run yours? I just run mine with ceska obliterate chest / coyotes

[hexed steppe]

Ceska Glass and foxs m1a cqb/elmo/lex depending on alt, was oblit a lot before the nerf tho.

[strong cave]

Working on it 😭 drama from life got me turned off heavily rn from grinding

Nego got tossed when I removed most of my unused builds.... Good thing I can literally craft it

[hexed steppe]

its an easy farm anyways

[strong cave]

Just need the holster, knees, gloves and Backpack

💀

[bleak sequoia]

damn, that might take you almost 15 minutes

[hazy steeple]

Since Crafting always scales down to "Normal" difficulty, you definitely want to use Countdown where you can.

[strong cave]

I've got characters with 12k points to burn a piece. They gotta get spent somehow 😭😭

[hazy steeple]

Credits? I guess everyone needs some spare change.

[strong cave]

Hey I'll be like Robin hood-

If I steal any poor souls EB's or Ravenous or Bighorns in DZ, I'll call up a low level and protect them at all costs to extract it

Really tho I wish we can dono watch points to friends

Would be such a cool cool feature

Ah wait, I said feature, now it'll be bugged

[barren herald]

anyone got good conflict build 441 SHD

[strong cave]

3 PC Golan, 1 pc gila, 1 PC uzina. Tardigrade chest. Roll all attributes to CHC/CHD. All mods will be CHD as well if I'm not mistaken. Iron Lung primary, Lexington secondary with optimist. Pistol will be orbit or Kard TDI with finisher. Firewall specialist. You COULD go survivalist and swap out finisher for sledgehammer.... You won't get the firewall benefits tho with Regen. Skills will be defender drone and booster hive. As long as your CHC is near 60% (conflict takes away 10% from watch), your build will hit and keep the team alive (don't face tank tho, play as an anchor)

I've been running this build a ton in conflict. The expertise on the armor pieces makes this build incredibly difficult to drop in dz. My group got to manhunt 26 with this, kept our DPS player alive in so many encounters he should've been dead in

[barren herald]

appreciate it

[strong cave]

If you need a link to the build I'll link it here

[barren herald]

ite send

[strong cave]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwNgtATGDMlsYAMSXLajiBco6yggJwDsmZ6aOYAHGAKxwJ1QXmZbS1T5ut9I5w3OP1HsIyCABYYI3vOwQQhevGANghWJpmaGorBLC7wXZNHDFwfHEuP1S+sCBkHiHGSAbEEy8jlpoBGgGaBU+IA

That's a Regen version

But run the pieces I mentioned and you should be good

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwNgtATGDMlsYAMSXLajiBco6yggJwDsmZ6aOYAHGAKxxR1QXmZYQAsecrfb2XFHwDRlTlGG8xAjiEL14wBsEKxV3VQ37Zo4biG61kesMXB8OndQ3AraIBNWPtiWaAYbEE88jlrQCNAM0Ap8QA

[barren herald]

hat abt my expertise

*what

i only got 5 rn

[strong cave]

Expertise only makes the build stronger in DZ

DZ is where the real pvp is anyways

[barren herald]

mk

[fresh fox]

not needed in conflict

its turned off in there

[orchid timber]

anyone have any good builds for bighorn SHD 160? i just got it after 14 hours of grinding for it and want to atleast have some fun with it

[barren herald]

how u get it

in DZ?

[orchid timber]

summit f10

[barren herald]

heroric dif?

heroic

[orchid timber]

legendary

[barren herald]

gah damn

doing that on SHD 160 is crazy

[orchid timber]

i just used a shit ton of blue cores with some reds and it went fine since i just ate a bajillion rounds

[barren herald]

type shii

[orchid timber]

yup

[restive vortex]

Is iron lung in the general loot pool? Been farming countdown for a while and no luck

[solar sable]

yup, it's just rng

[slow agate]

waht would be some good rav builds? i like the idea of having hollowman maska nd fox prayers on. but ive seen some people use strikers or umbra

[restive vortex]

Ah good to know, thanks

[subtle bluff]

There isn't. Niche gun used in niche situation.

You can try and but then you'll see things do more damage or give better bonus armor.

[shy willow]

It's a decent sniper support and great tool for one shot strats but you don't really build around it

[strong cave]

Depends on what content you're doing with it. Most of its uses is for 1 shotting raid bosses or for damage to armor on DH raid for razorback. In PvE vanilla usage, it's not all that fantastic on your "average joe schmoe meta build". It can be used yes but it's not efficient for what it is. In PvP tho, this gun has the best burst DPS in the game (which pvp is about doing the most damage as fast as possible. PvE is sustained damage. Ravenous does burst damage, not sustained)

[strong cave]

Legit the only time I fire off left shoulder is to detonate all the offensive primers if I need bonus armor I'll just run Memento and a shield lol

[covert meadow]

@orchid timber this is the way? Build a tank build? How any core Reds are needed?

[fresh fox]

pve is also burst

[magic pilot]

Outside of bosses basically everything is burst with a slight lean towards mag dmg

[fresh fox]

even bosses are burst #dodgecity

[shy willow]

sir the damage to plates is where it's at

nego + Achilles and boom

[fresh fox]

different use case

[covert meadow]

In terms of a solo pve build, to even attempt legendary Summit, and mission content that has survivability what build should really be targeted?

I've built some builds some sheets that claim to do that, in general skills ie, it doesn't, I'm looking at currently i am fox tank build but in his video he's continuously talking about team work which means this build is best fit for raids/team controll

[vestal ibex]

Legendary is like 50/50 build and player skill tbh.

Having the perfect build doesn't just make that happen.

[solar sable]

You don't usually listen to YouTube builds or Division "content creators" whatsoever.

The best place to ask is in this channel, as we provide a spreadsheet & knowledge with tons of builds and categories.

[covert meadow]

Yeah that's my problem @vestal ibex everything i have is strictly all red, i don't own any blue core builds, and I don't know where to begin to even build something that gives me survivability, I'm well over 2k shd, that has came from player skill on all red cores

[onyx sage]

you can do legendary on all red

[covert meadow]

Raucey has the build listed from I am fox on the sheets spread?

[onyx sage]

but whether you are comfortable is the real question

[magic pilot]

Full red the way to go in legendary

[versed flame]

Legendary in solo-you can use anti-elite, but it takes a long time to complete, you can use sniper, or technique, I saw a video with a hunter's build and a sniper rifle!!point blank!)))

[covert meadow]

Not comfortable but can hit about floor 7 before everything goes hay wire

[vestal ibex]

Summit is also a bit different than legendary missions.

[covert meadow]

That's right because of the change

[vestal ibex]

The missions have set spawns and enemies.

[magic pilot]

Why are you wanting to do legendary summit?

[covert meadow]

I need to get bighorn

[vestal ibex]

Floor 10/90

[covert meadow]

It's the only elite I don't own

[magic pilot]

Do it on heroic, then once you are at floor 10 change it to legendary

It only drops from floor completion or bosses

[vestal ibex]

5%

[covert meadow]

Alright I'll keep at it

[somber jolt]

are there any builds that heavily buff the drone/turret that are usable in legendary/raid

[shy willow]

no

[somber jolt]

damn

so its literally just striker or healer to do higher content now?

[shy willow]

you can try to clear legendary with them but it takes a century

[somber jolt]

ahh okay

[shy willow]

not at all

Nego, HF, Eclipse, Hotshot etc

[magic pilot]

OD

Lengmo pesti

[onyx sage]

there are many viable dps builds, striker is most used because it's the most consistent and easiest to farm

it's not the be all end all

[somber jolt]

but nothing that heavily revolves around the offensive skills?

[onyx sage]

there's only one that's viable

oxidizer, but you don't play this like a drone turret build, only used for speedrunning

skills are mostly balanced to be less effective than dps builds because they inherently take less risk

and it should be that way

[magic pilot]

Oxi best for capitol too

[onyx sage]

reanimated was my free oxi

[hexed steppe]

I'm so glad reanimated is done, ngl.
Been neglecting my beloved 😍

Mortar Supremacy

[dreamy valve]

Is the SMG9 A2 variant better than the regular SMG9?

Seems like it’s trading damage stats for an extra mod slot

[onyx sage]

that extra mod slot can't fit a chd mod, so you're forced to put chc on

if you're overcapping because of that slot you're better off with the regular

[dreamy valve]

Ok then the A2 will fit my build better

Going to see if it’s better than Ouro if it has fast hands

[onyx sage]

you probably won't feel as much difference with fast hands tbh. i'd recommend measured

[dreamy valve]

I’ll try that too

I felt the fast hands with the MP5, it was very noticeable

[topaz spear]

I’m level 46 ish. I’m new to the game after 2 years away. Is there any suggestions or on a starter build. I have a pestilence and will mostly be solo.

[tulip charm]

When in doubt just build strikers

Will be used in every content

[topaz spear]

Where can I get the ninja bike backpack? I read you can buy the blueprint but it doesn’t say how.

[humble meteor]

what crits should i be seeing with a coyote striker build?

[fresh fox]

depends on the weapon

[humble meteor]

my smg goes to 500-600k at max stacks, lexington between 750 and 850k

my crit chance is sadly at mid 30, but i bank on coyote buffs

[fresh fox]

get it to 50%

bank on mid coyotes

not long

[humble meteor]

how do i get it to 50 when the guides say get chd at all cost

[fresh fox]

they should say to get to 50 chc then as much chd

i think the evil guide got you

[humble meteor]

oh wait i got providence chest

not ceska

[fresh fox]

that’ll do it to some extent

[lyric jungle]

Is hot shot sr1 and two piece still the best sniper build ?

[urban latch]

SR1 got nerfed pretty hard. Depending on what your looking for I'd use an 1886 or M700/white death instead

[lyric jungle]

Fawk already rolled my sr1 perfectly 😅🤣🤣🤣

[hexed steppe]

Sr-1 and m700 carbon both just about the same now, both still have the best attachment layouts and both still hit the damages needed to 1shot everything they could before the rebalance. Either are strong HH choices with much better QoL

[magic pilot]

You can only buy the blueprint once you have the item

It's in general loot pool but it's also usually not very good

[abstract mauve]

It has super niche uses

[kindred marten]

You can buy the blueprint from Inaya once you have the Ninjabike Bag. The blueprint is to reconfigure, but it’s best used on weapons since (most) exotic gear come with static attributes. Just optimize the rolls unless you have a terrible one and you want to get higher stats on it.

[topaz spear]

Ok. I’ve never received it so I guess I need to pray to RNG. Any known way to get it?

[kindred marten]

Run Countdown and target loot for backpacks

[lyric jungle]

rerolled my elmo since i wasnt paying attention now im paying the price on 20 rerolled didnt drop once dmg out of cover lol

[magic pilot]

^

[magic pilot]

Took me 60+ reroll to get dtooc on ouro so don't beat yourself up

[topaz spear]

Can I solo countdown with no build?

[rich cosmos]

No.

[lyric jungle]

HAHAHAH

[topaz spear]

I figured. I’ll just try to get a drop from a crate I guess.

[rich cosmos]

Just play match making

Or summit

[topaz spear]

Can I solo summit? 😂

[glad heart]

Yes you can

[rich cosmos]

You should really check the descriptions of modes

[topaz spear]

I’m at work right now. I’m looking stuff up as well.

[topaz spear]

Thanks