td2-build-advice

[worn mango]

Contractor and Fox's rolled to CHD, F2k having 10% chance and not accounting for how much damage you're getting from POptimist since it's a rolling amount based on gameplay

[magic pilot]

Holy shit

So you basically always want an OD player

[worn mango]

Two forms of amp is just nutty

[magic pilot]

That has vigi too and still lost by a landslide

[worn mango]

And I actually don't think I used post patch Prov numbers actually

Forgot about that too

[magic pilot]

Oh true

So basically HE is dead, better off running 1 OD and the rest striker/HB or HH

[magic pilot]

Or 1 OD 1 CC 2 Dps

[worn mango]

Brings it under 8M health

[magic pilot]

Rip old raid meta

[worn mango]

The fact though that your OD can basically compete with OG Striker and give a buff is gonna go crazy

And also use competent weapons

[magic pilot]

OD buff basically made group content easier

You can basically always have someone run OD outside of bosses

[tulip charm]

Man i wanted to gatekeep od :sadge:

[magic pilot]

And you can at least start every boss with some OD ammo

[worn mango]

We're OD stans around here pahtnah

[magic pilot]

I kinda figured it would be that strong lol

[worn mango]

And it's just as easy to put together really

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[gentle lichen]

There is a disappointing amount of players running it

Teams deserve od in their setups

[tulip charm]

Good keep it like that

[magic pilot]

Yellow OD with capacitor and stinger hive

[tulip charm]

😇

[magic pilot]

New meta

[worn mango]

Check his temperature

[magic pilot]

Thermometer says "he's cooking"

[worn mango]

With hot oil and water

[magic pilot]

Which is ironic

[magic pilot]

How to stop a grease fire 101

[worn mango]

How to stop my FAMAS with hollow point brrrttttttt

[magic pilot]

(You can't)

[worn mango]

I'm also only saying FAMAS because of my clearly biased math

Who cares for sustain when you can have more attachments and fire rate

[shy willow]

Muh blue od

[dull ermine]

What’s the best way to get yaahl these days? I need it for a build, is there a drop rate for it in the dz vs conflict?

Need a pair of yaahl gloves

[dull ermine]

And does pfe do much against feiser?

[gentle lichen]

Either or really

Conflict can be nice because you get xp on top of caches and everything is clean so no extraction

[shut skiff]

What build would yall recommend to make countdown runs faster/easier - running riot foam build but only shines during extraction

[junior surge]

I generally run striker, it's boring but it let's you complete objectives fast. Foam eclipse is great, but I only run it when I see that my teams damage is good, or we have the close range damage countermeasure, or during extraction.

[shy willow]

Future initiative and ongoing directive are helpful

[radiant reef]

I run a tank pfe build using hunter killer named chest and badger tough backpack with adrenaline rush, catharsis and 3 improvised pieces all rolled armour crit chance and crit damage. All have a pfe mod

[junior surge]

For countdown?

I feel like galvanize + scorpio is worth a try here, since that way you're helping teammates too.

[shy willow]

If I ain't running striker I personally run blue OD with Lavoisier and pointman

[junior surge]

I've tried hazpro tank with vanguard + galvanize or perf oppo before but personally I found a red striker with a foam launcher to be better in most cases.

[shy willow]

Yeah realistically you don't need support but it's always nice to have ig

Just so long as the DPS is holding up

[marsh river]

is doctor home being used at all for anything or am i stupid? it seems like an incredibly useless weapon

[shy willow]

Blue FI but idk if that got patched

[marsh river]

yo guys whats up with perfect determined? thats literally useless talent, compared to regular talent, because "while active, killing an enemy will not re-trigger the talent" so wtf kind of joke is this? bugged or clueless design?

thats incredibly bad :O

[hazy crag]

Are they doing server work today?

[rich lotus]

no one knows since they never address it

but not like people are complaining about it either; it’s a crutch for a lot of people to do endgame content

[marsh river]

how is it a crutch when its useless :D

[rich lotus]

I mean normal determined

[marsh river]

normal is fantastic..

[rich lotus]

yes cause one shotting ads on legendary was the design goal of the perk im sure

[sharp gust]

I've always been using perfect determined 🙃

[rich lotus]

💀

respect

it was discussed in the pts chat earlier #1291691157256015892 message

I think that message sums it up

[shy willow]

Neglected

[red island]

its stronger to burst a single target, while normal determined is better to keep killing weaker target

[austere falcon]

do i run contractors gloves or 1p Fenris on my ar build?
currently im using coyotes mask, 3p prov, 1p fenris and fox's prayer knees
oh and using st. elmos engine in case it matters

[shy willow]

Contractor's

[austere falcon]

alr ill try that
also whats gate strat

[magic pilot]

You'll be over on crit with Elmo

[vestal ibex]

Imagine doing something but doing it poorly.

[magic pilot]

Gate strat is what identity fans use in the incursion

[vestal ibex]

It's just a really shiddy way to do the final bosses in the incursion.

[austere falcon]

i got lucky by getting it with max dttooc so im using it for now
so youd say that i should rather get a different ar?

[vestal ibex]

He is just saying with the brand bonuses/watch/correct attributes you'd be over the CHC cap no matter what.

Wasted stats=wasted potential

[austere falcon]

so chc cap is not 100? (never went into this much detail)

[hazy steeple]

Is an Identiy Fan like that weird face Arnold Schwarzenegger used in Total Recall?

[austere falcon]

ah 60 is cap

[vestal ibex]

It's 60% and can be seen in the stats page when looking at CHC on the right.

[hazy steeple]

You mentioned using Coyotes, right?

AR's are typically used within the mid-range buff, so you probably need even less CHC than you think.

[austere falcon]

im alr at 47
so i guess that makes sense

[hazy steeple]

47 is a tad low, try to get between 50-55 for use with Coyotes.

that way you have a buffer if you hit enemies outside of the golden range, but you aren't wasting attributes.

[austere falcon]

yea most of my rolls arent that high, im still looking to optimize when i get some better ones
but all my providence targeted loot locations are in weird places
guess i gotta do more tower

[hazy steeple]

You can mostly ignore Summit for farming, I enjoy it but I'm weird.
Countdown, pick the right TL and run it on Challenging.

oh and every 2-3 runs of it, you can afford an Exotic Cache from its Vendor, a laptop at the BoO (White House).

[austere falcon]

never did that actually
last time i played actively was year(s?) ago, started over recently

[hazy steeple]

Countdown is pretty much the meta for farming these days, it's all about quantity over quality now. Just run it on Challenging and don't bother with Heroic unless you have a dedicated team.

[austere falcon]

alr thanks for the advice fellow rainbow person

[red island]

an ai, not a person

[magic pilot]

Basically 🤣

[magic pilot]

Once you fully optimize you'll be at 63

[hazy steeple]

My meat suit is almost ready actually.

[magic pilot]

Apparently that includes man parts

[hazy steeple]

A kidney is a kidney.

[red island]

I thought youd get the good place référence

[hazy steeple]

I hated the ending so much that I've retroactively disliked the rest of it.

[red island]

Really ?

I thought the ending was great and so much in line with the ideology of the show

[hazy steeple]

Not to get too off topic, but I wasn't a fan.
but yeah, @austere falcon just make sure that when your build is perfect you are somewhere between 50 and 60, preferrably closer to 50 if you're using Coyotes.

[austere falcon]

thx :3

[marsh river]

my message deleted from div fashion because apparently its not fashion related? and i cant post pictures anywhere else but there and here, cmon mods why u making it so hard to ask a simple question-- i want to know where this black duster cosmetic is from?

[red island]

it was from a cosmetic event few month ago

[marsh river]

damn ok. so unobtainable?

[red island]

now aviable partly with textiles and the rest with credits iirc

[marsh river]

really? i cant find it

[red island]

its on the outfits tab iirc

let me check

[marsh river]

i looked through everything, cant find

[red island]

crossroad events

if you buy every outfit you get the bandana as a reward

[marsh river]

the bandana...

i am talking about the duster

[red island]

i think its a reward too

[marsh river]

i dont care about the bandana lol

[red island]

idk, i got it this way, idk where else you can get it

found it

you cant get it anymore it seem

[marsh river]

ah man

that sucks. thanks for the help though

[red island]

np

[vestal ibex]

FYI #ask-td2-community allows image post.

[clever merlin]

for heartbreak im assuming the HB chest is better than obliterate/spotter?

[vestal ibex]

Yeah

[vestal ibex]

Heartbreaker build guide If you are wondering what some of the other suggestions for HB is you can see them here. This is pretty up to date but don't consider the PTS changes and will get redone once changes are finalized and live in the next season/major title update.

[marsh river]

crit dmg or dtooc on smgs?

[tulip charm]

always dttoc

[marsh river]

so i just got the overlord from season

is this the new worst exotic in the game?

[tawdry raven]

Yes

And the buff still isn't saving it

[tulip charm]

Its a pvp gun at best

[marsh river]

i would even go so far as say the skin is the worst in the game too lmao

[tawdry raven]

Eh I like the model so it was more disappointing when the gun sucked

[marsh river]

the reload speed alone is a reason to not use it

[urban latch]

It's really not good

[dull ermine]

Is 90% burn resistance good for feiser?

[urban latch]

92% will make you immune, so at 90 you'll very briefly catch on fire. More of an annoyance at that point, but I'd still prefer to just get immunity since it's really not hard anymore.

[dull ermine]

Ah I’m trying a build

To get that immunity I’d need to ditch a pfe mod

So 48 to 36 pfe for 100% burn resistance

It’s a build for me to stay in the furnace the entire time with DCH cancel wipe

Dealing with people screwing up water is annoying enough … I take it that I’ll get kicked off the water cannon if I get burnt?

Could a decoy be substituted?

[urban latch]

I'd much rather have fire immunity there. Your using the rav to stay alive, and randomly catching on fire just messes with that, as well as potentially spraying the water.

[dull ermine]

Ah okay I’ll slot in the mod

Is there a way to avoid health damage inside the furnace? I know it happens when people shoot wrong codes / take too long but how do you get rid of it, a few times I can’t even make it off the water cannon in time to run back

[urban latch]

Don't let people mess up the codes lol

[dull ermine]

That raid from last night some dz speedrunner took over the party so he could explain it to his friends his way lol

Guy was fighting our every move 😂

[vestal ibex]

Just shotgun nego the boss and wipe. No tank build needed.

[dull ermine]

Bruv

[vestal ibex]

Ez claps, it's 100% you'll kill him if done properly.

[dull ermine]

Yea but what’s the point for an ftc raid

[urban latch]

If they're hitting enough wrong codes to get the health damage inside and you want to teach an ftc, then that's a wipe so they can actually learn

[vestal ibex]

A point you never made isn't considered...

[dull ermine]

Bruh read between the lines 🤣

[restive dome]

Is that actually linked to hitting wrong codes or is it a glitch?

[dull ermine]

There’s a screen in the control room below the crucible that fills up

Carbon monoxide - either taking too long or hitting wrong codes

[urban latch]

If you hit enough wrong codes then it's an intended mechanic that anyone inside the furnace takes direct health damage, not just damage to their armor.

I'm fairly certain it's not about how much time it takes, it's just a certain number of wrong codes

[restive dome]

Ahh ok, i always thought it was a glitch...

[urban latch]

I've done some REALLY slow runs without it lol

[dull ermine]

I’ve had it fill up during hot foot so that’s why I think it also relates to time

[restive dome]

So have I, hence i thought it was a glitch...

[dull ermine]

My curiosity does question if it dissipates on its own

I think I’ve seen it do that but I’m not certain

[marsh river]

uhm... am i reading into it wrong or.. melee dmg tank is the way to go for this shd event?

[red island]

not really, any dps build works fine

just proc the thing with cover2cover

even short

[marsh river]

i am going for it anyway

lady death, claws out, bloody knuckles

hehe :P

[red island]

i mean, melee is not really good in this game

[hexed steppe]

pistol bulwark build works well for shd exposed

[marsh river]

no kidding

lolol all that equipped and a melee smack doing 500k, what a sad joke

even if it did 10 mill it would suck

[red island]

told you lol

[magic pilot]

I just accidentally bought 128 gigs of ram

[wise swallow]

worth

[magic pilot]

I mean I got basically the best stuff on the market

[wise swallow]

nuh uh

[urban latch]

Should have just downloaded it...

[magic pilot]

I think they sent it on accident lol

[worn mango]

You wouldn't download a car

[hazy steeple]

Fun fact: the music used in that advert was actually stolen.

[worn mango]

Damn, that is a fun fact

[hazy steeple]

So: you wouldn't download an anti-piracy advert.

[worn mango]

I'm now better for knowing this

[radiant reef]

I couldn’t make that argument. I bought 2x 32gb dims then I’m like nah need more and bought another 2x 32gb dims lol

[magic pilot]

I bought 2 x32 but they sent me another pack

I'm building my first pc with 128 gigs 💀

[solar sable]

lucky bastard

[radiant reef]

When you have max level it can hit for quite a a big chunk when you close combat. Plus it’s one of the challenges. Also for builds there is system corruption stuff available in the event vendor!!

[magic pilot]

Let's see if I paid for it

[solar sable]

imagine you didn't

[worn mango]

Ultra scam

[radiant reef]

My first pc I built had 512mb ram. And no you’re not reading that wrong lol

[magic pilot]

Holy shit I didn't 😭

[worn mango]

Amazon?

I read something the other day where someone bought an SSD and they sent them an entire case of 12 of them

[magic pilot]

No actually

Which is even crazier

[worn mango]

Newegg?

[hazy steeple]

div2?

[magic pilot]

I had an issue at checkout and it said it was out of stock, I check my account and I wasn't charged so I went back and it said in stock again so I put an order

[worn mango]

We take those

Now to complete your build because we're totally in build advice. Do you have your Memento overclocked yet? Any brand bonuses you're looking to achieve?

[magic pilot]

I prefer using bloodsucker

And the wrong channels apparently

[worn mango]

Bloodsucker main in 2024, imagine

We're Wicked mains around here pahtnah

[magic pilot]

I actually do use it on hotshot when I play solo and get bored of reg

[onyx sage]

>bored of reg

[magic pilot]

Can't do it 24/7

[marsh river]

well my hotshot build is all 100% now except for expertise. every roll perfect and maxed out in every piece..

[radiant reef]

Is hotshot really better than the all gold build?

[onyx sage]

for sniper yeah

high end build is more of an all rounder

[honest moss]

The combo of hotshot + determined + headhunter just makes the game a point and click adventure, pretty fun for PvE. In PvP i imagine it is much the same, maybe you don't want headhunter. Even in PvE it is just for one shotting bosses so glass cannon or similar works fine

[tawdry raven]

In pvp ppl just carry nemesis idk if they actually build around it tho. Maybe on a DPS build

[gentle lichen]

Determined builds in pvp are very much real

But you use perfect glass instead of headhunter

As for hotshot you only use the 3 pc bonus not the 4

[solar sable]

in pvp the fourth piece isn't worth it

[atomic trench]

funny roll

this a m1 ig no?

[onyx sage]

it's a socom m1a

[atomic trench]

oh regular m1 get auto no?

[wise swallow]

Do not use headhunter. its useless. 3pc hotshot, the gift (perfect vigi) foxes and whatever chest (you dont need PGC or GC, I use spotter)

[onyx sage]

all m1a get it iirc

[atomic trench]

ohhh

prob will kick like a mule anyway recoil wise

[wise swallow]

Theres not a single gun in this game that kicks

they all have very tame reocil

[wide dove]

hey newbie question, i am trying to learn about one-shot builds, starting with something like this for XP farming https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab_yuOmHtHY but i was wondering, if i wanted to swap a 1886+Determined for a shotgun+Determined, would that still work? and if so, i'd like to ask the community which shotgun happen to have a strong choke (tight spread, for easier shooting from distance)

[solar sable]

You can't put Determined on shotguns.

[wide dove]

ah ok ok dream dashed

[solar sable]

haha
you need either Rifles or MMRs

[wide dove]

or pistol?

[solar sable]

Eh, yeah

[wide dove]

i wonder what's the weakest pistol i can get away with.. for faster rate of fire, easier handling

mebbe even a kard

[solar sable]

kard works best because of the free skill tier

[wide dove]

i knoll rite?

actually altho i can't do a shotty+Determined build, i am still curious, are there shotties known for having a very tight choke? or easy to configure as such? or.. mebbe use very high Weapon Handling? what works?

like for example if i went all out for weapon handling, like with the Braced talent for example

is that.. a thing?

[solar sable]

M870 with Brazen yeah

I don't actually know how strong it is in PvE

[tulip charm]

Braced And Determined?

[wide dove]

m870 has an especially tight choke?

[tulip charm]

Might aswell not use determined.

[wide dove]

hmm mebbe i'll farm for something like a tactical 1911 to trial along side The Prophet, i am curious ^___^

hmm does Perfectly Determined actually make The Prophet worse than a regular D50 with Determined??? the way the talent is phrased means it can't chain? skimming through this discussion on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/16c4y6r/is_there_a_difference_between_determined_and_the/

[solar sable]

Perfect Determined sucks, it's actually Imperfect lmao

[wide dove]

ah, okay so my eyes is not deceiving me, very strange to see a perfect version be.. less helpful

but it would be of interest to someone with a high crit build i imagine

or something perhaps like a Negotiation Dilemma that raises the critical hit chance ceiling at the base

i just wanna transfer the Determined-procc'n responsibility to a hand gun if possible cus oh my gersh the 1886's slow reload is anxiety inducing lol

which then frees up the weapon 1 slot for something else, something to help with in-case-s***

[jagged marlin]

Determined isn't supposed to chain, it just doesn't work as intended so the regular version is bugged

[wide dove]

so the Headhunter + Determined synergy+chaining isn't suppose to happen?

[restive dome]

that's a perpetual argument in this community. Some consider the perfect version working as intended since it doesn't chain with headhunter, other claim normal determined works as intended because it's been in the game for well over a year now....

[marsh river]

it would be a disaster if they fixed that

[restive dome]

No it would be, it would fix the game and actually make getting headshot rewarding

[marsh river]

you're wrong

[wide dove]

ah

thank you for explaining

[restive dome]

ok...

[wide dove]

clicking heads is uber hard, the way opfor runs around, leap up and down levels, in pve, omgersh, the headhunter + determined synergy seems like a big relief and makes it fun

you shouldn't have to train an hour on aim app to play division 2

[restive dome]

It's personal preference I guess. Some like the lazy way of playing the game other's like a bit more of a challenge. Luckily one doens't have to play with determined...

[wide dove]

if something like division 2 has to be that souls-try-hard, let Remnant 2 do it or something

that's their niche, make customers cry

amirite or amirite?... or .. am i Ron?

[restive dome]

the game is hardly difficult as is 😉

[marsh river]

bro i play 3000 hours on escape from tarkov, i am quite good at that game.. well above the average player. i've done kappa 3 times, which is one of the hardest things to do. i have played games all my life. i am a GOOD shot. there is no shooter game that is as shit as division 2 when it comes to consistently landing headshots - because of what div2sunday say. too many factors that influence how you are able to aim, the absurd and jerky movement of enemies. i CAN do it, but the time between each shot is massively increased without determined, which makes it an ineffective playstyle. may aswell play a striker and spray.

not to mention the rather sizeable pool of enemies that cannot be directly oneshotted in the head due to helmets and armors and what not. there is just no way that you can compete with a regular dps build without determined chain

[restive dome]

It's fine if you want determined to play, just don't blame the game for needing it 🙂

[wide dove]

yeah it's pretty sizable, they all hang out in legendary difficulty :3

[marsh river]

for my part i can say that hotshot and chainkiller falls down from S tier to maybe C tier in terms of build quality without determined

[wide dove]

a lot of food for thought for a n00b like me, thank you for the edumacation hugs

[marsh river]

add some camera shake to the picture as well. taking shots shakes ur camera, droners sending stuff your way, chungas shooting nades. your camera is constantly jumping up and down "for immersion" 😂 which makes headshots that much more annoying to land

there are situations when i play hotshot determined and i am powering through the enemies like an unstoppable bull and it feels overpowered

then there are situations where i cant oneshot or my shot is tanked by armor/helmet or whatever and i cant restart my chain because my teammates are killing the enemies damn near instantly, in which scenario a striker or similar build would be far supperior to headhunter

[wide dove]

very good point

it's good that the riflemanship+marksmanship can stick with the team instead of hanging back, if nothing else, the Headhunter+Determined synergy enables that, and i think that could be worth celebrating, nothing fun about a lone wolf in the back unable to help the team

[marsh river]

determination also has disadvantages against certain helmed enemies. you know the hyena girl that has a helmet and charges at you with a baton? well her behaviour is super predictable and easy to kill. she will stop for a moment, tilt her head backwards and have a sip of morning cofee. during this animation you can headshot her under the helmet in the neck. but you cannot do this with determined because the shot will count as a helmet hit no matter where you aim

[wide dove]

maybe when everyone has 1TB of ram in 2027 and Division 3 is here we can all cosplay reality even more and shoot from a greater distance, and have PC fps video game genre catch up to the 8x scope of the modern US Army infantry rifle

but for this 16GB reality of 2024, world building of fps has the sniper much closer, much shorter range

[marsh river]

im super happy with how determined works now and i would not play headhunter build again if they remove / fix it

[wide dove]

mhmm

[marsh river]

speaking about not working as intended

does anyone know if the infinite tac 50 hollow point ammo bug is still around?

negotiator dilemma can fill the ammo of tac50 and u can permanently reset it but i forgot how it was done

and i didnt try it for a very long time

sorry, ongoing directive*

[wide dove]

oh i didn't knoll that OD can fill signature weapon ammo

[marsh river]

its been like a year or so since i used it, and i believe it was a bug, and that it only worked for tac 50 for some reason

i dont know if it has been fixed, and also the trigger activation was very wonky

[round zinc]

all that they should've fixed ages ago

but nope here's your band aid no skill involved talent

[marsh river]

man im glad i spent that time to formulate an argumenet just so you can ignore it and say "skill issue", gg wp

[round zinc]

never said skill issue

[marsh river]

in so many words

[round zinc]

both can be true at the same time
sniping can be jank and determined can also be no skill at the same time

there is no skill involved in waving your gun around and getting 1 tap for almost the entire mission

it'd still be a good talent if it works like perfect determined because you essentially get a guaranteed headshot for your next shot

[marsh river]

the same goes for any dps build. there is almost no skill involved in this game at any point , except maybe for knowing tactics on certain raids

[round zinc]

arguably striker or any dps build is a less laid back playstyle than determined headhunter

[marsh river]

the only real difference between headhunter and striker is tapping LMB instead of holding it down

the exact same ammount of brain activity is required for both

[round zinc]

determined makes that ttk next to 0

which is faster than i can say for striker

[marsh river]

i guess u didnt play back in TU4-TU6? when u could do the same thing with cluster seeker mines

double tap E to oneshot 8 enemies

im not deaf to the argument that TTK is low and it is a bit strong, in most scenarios

but the whole idea that division has ever been skill based is pure copium in my opinion

[restive dome]

And the fact that you're saying it isn't, isn't?

[round zinc]

oh no dont get me wrong,division isn't really skill orientated.
but the point of a sniper is high risk high reward, which determined removes and then the entire MMR class has to be balanced around it, meanwhile less than optimal gear gets the axe

[restive dome]

Making those assumptioms seems rather counter productive...

[marsh river]

at the end of the day, division 2 is a looter shooter. like in any other RPG looter games, like lets say diablo series. you are SUPPOSED to be overpowered and plow down the enemies like insignificant ants in your way.

[round zinc]

how long would steamrolling everything keep people interested in the game

thats why every game needs a challenge

but if newer content are only designed around X build then it is the antithesis of promoting build diversity

[still dagger]

I think this perfectly sums up why people like you using determined ruins the whole point of the division in the first place

[round zinc]

what i suggested is to make determined more involved in gameplay

cuz there is no world where its "fine" right now

[marsh river]

"people like me ruins the whole game"

when you put something like that out there how do you expect this conversation to turn? i have nothing to say you to

[round zinc]

like ok fix it,then reduce enemy head wobbling around
i can see that happening since they intentionally wobble around more when you scope in

[restive dome]

But those mechanics is part of what makes sniping rewarding when played well

Rewarding = fun.

[round zinc]

i actually disagree with that since its actually more infuriating than skill based

[marsh river]

i dont know why u are talking about sniping in a game that doesnt even have bullet physics and the maximum range u can physically hit something is like a stones throw away and what most other shooter games consider melee range

i think if we had swords instead of guns you would see it differently. its not a shooter as much as it is an RPG

its a re skinned diablo with different camera angle

[restive dome]

It can, but that's part of the challenge.

[round zinc]

ive ran a&8+nemesis builds years ago and lemme tell you its not fun

[wide dove]

yeah let Arma 3/Reforger own the niche on bullet physics :3

[round zinc]

im just saying the excessive wobble should be tone down

[restive dome]

Let's them fix determined before they fix ai pathing... the former sounds easier

[marsh river]

camera shake and enemy janky movement makes "sniping" an absolutely infuriating bullshit playstyle. like trying to play counter strike while someone is punching you in the face irl. "just get good, grow a strong neck so u can" NO i will just not play it then

[wide dove]

you guys gotta stop attacking Aune or Determined enjoyers, the big elephant in the room is that as games get older, exploits get gooder, i was watching this youtube where they show script kiddies not only own'n servers of old Call of Duty games, but actually infiltrating the playstation or xbox consoles, and that's just the reality for older games, and as division 2 gets older, it's almost as sure as tax, death and gravity that will happen to Division 2 as well, so let's cross our fingers that division 3 is coming

[round zinc]

i'd agree on that if the game is just on perma life support now instead of still getting new content

cuz its reasonable to say that they will carry what they've done in div2 into making div3

[wide dove]

it's like keyboard ninjas arguing about second amendment and right to own extended mags and suppressors when the world has moved on and terrrorists will just order tens of thousands slaughterbots/autonomous-uav's on Aliexpress, which Russia and US are protecting our rights to (own slaughterbots) at UN

[marsh river]

this is a lot simpler than it seems you know. you can simply ignore the determined perk and play how u like to play. and u can play solo or with other players who dont use it. it literally does not affect you in any way that i am using it or how i find the game enjoyable to play

[restive dome]

If you play determined, play it. None will stop you. Just be honest about why you like the talent. Some people are better at hitting heads regardless of the in game physics, like some are better at boiling eggs.

[round zinc]

ok but handicapping yourself is not a valid argument

[marsh river]

if the existance of something prevents you from enjoying something else, then the problem is entirely in your mind

[round zinc]

lets just make a talent that instantly kills everything within a 30m radius

its totally ok and not broken because you can just ignore it

thats not how you address imbalance

[hazy steeple]

Yannick has actually adressed this issue directly.

the tl;dr is basically "we don't want you to be able to just steamroll everything".

[wide dove]

boiling eggs is an actual art, @restive dome is on to something

[marsh river]

so that means striker is getting nerfed? 😌

[hazy steeple]

Striker did get nerfed.

[round zinc]

have you been living under a rock cuz yes

its better to run a HE backpack with a talent than running just backpack striker now iirc

either vigilance or companion

infact crit builds were targeted the most in this upcoming patch due to striker nerf,meta nerfs,and brandset nerfs

[hazy steeple]

Regardless, MSV don't like any single thing to be too OP, hence Ouro, hence Striker, hence even Scorpio.
It can take them a while to fix the issue, but they've always been a.... "slower pace" kinda dev. And we like it that way.

[wide dove]

ah

what's HE?

[round zinc]

high end gear,yellow stuff

not the green stuff thats gear set

[marsh river]

high explosive

[round zinc]

rivens i saw that

[hazy steeple]

You can think of high-end as "gold gear", brandset, or "that thing that named items are based off".

[wide dove]

yeah i think yellow/gold, but now I understand HE :3

[round zinc]

so to wrap it up,snipers are jank AND determined is too out of line
both need to be fixed at the same time

[hazy steeple]

MMR's did get somewhat of a fix, with nerfing some of the OP ones, Determined's fix is for sure not too far away.

[marsh river]

the problem with determined vs anything else is that you cant nerf it without gutting it and make it completely pointless perk. it cant be toned down just a little bit to bring it in line. other things can be nerfed and buffed, but determined is either on or off. turning it off will gut headshot builds and bring it back to the old headhunter builds with things like regulus etc and you are in the same situation as before where u may as well just play a proper dps build instead

[round zinc]

buuuut the game is probably gonna be done before they get fixed so this is just screaming at a brick wall

[restive dome]

See @wide dove I highlighted the two camps, now you see the intense discussion it provoked 😉

[wide dove]

🙂

[round zinc]

i disagree cuz what else are you using on MMRs in a non determined world

[marsh river]

yeah but why are u playing a headshot build when u can be a useful teammate instead

[round zinc]

you can be useful too smh

[wide dove]

imma farm handguns to unlock determined ^___^ happy chat'n gang 🙂

[marsh river]

no

[restive dome]

yes you can

[round zinc]

sniper builds are straight up useless the momene you run into a boss room so its not a new thing

[marsh river]

no

[restive dome]

Repeating it doesn't make it true

[round zinc]

just make mobbing less of a cheese duh

[hazy steeple]

Aces off to the side looking like sad Russell Crowe from Le Miz.

[round zinc]

determined not infinitely refreshing is just "kill one get one free"

yea they really gotta buff aces a bit ngl

[wide dove]

if someone in real life single round a 50 cal into mah guts--at any distance--and i am still standing, then i am actually in the Matrix

[hazy steeple]

IRL does not factor into div2.

thank goodness.

[round zinc]

"nah i'd win" type beat right there

[restive dome]

none beats Alfie Boe

[tulip charm]

I don’t think that’s the case anymore at .9 unless someone did the math

[restive dome]

.9 is a 25% increase, same as vigilance, but without the downside of vigilance

[marsh river]

because killing red and purple adds is the bulk of the content in most areas but they are "insta" killed by any dps build, whether it is 0.1 second oneshot from determined or half a magazine from a striker that takes 1.5 second does not REALLY impact the overall performance of the group. what makes it useful or not is how it performs against bosses and non-oneshottable enemies. if ur build farms adds and falls off and does nothing against bosses (headhunter) then you are not able to be useful no matter how good aimbot you have in ur hands

[round zinc]

pretty sure it still is,i could be wrong tho since 0.05 is not significant

[tulip charm]

🤔

[round zinc]

0.5 to 0.9 is like an 80% increase no?

compared to being 100% before

[tulip charm]

.5? Its from .65

[round zinc]

ah mb,i forgot

[marsh river]

if ur build is doing the same dps as a full yellow core healer build is doing when the rogues spawn, is it really overpowered?

[round zinc]

0.65 to 0.9 is a uhhh 38 ish%?

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[gentle lichen]

The harder bag nerf should've stayed at least in pvp.

[round zinc]

which are very far and between in this game
95% of content are just filled with ads,the other 3% are bosses that are also coated in ads and only 2% are where headhunter becomes unusable

[marsh river]

yes, thats my point. headhunter is OP against content that doesnt really provide a challenge for any build, and falls completely short on the content that matters

so what is the problem really?

[round zinc]

headhunter on its own is fine

its about determined here

like sure i know how to spawn camp a door with say,regulus,but that doesn't mean i can pull it off everytime,or the first time
cant say the same for determined here,just get 1 headshot and it becomes a point and click game

[marsh river]

all determined is doing is remove the frustration tied to the game when it comes to enemy movement patterns. the issue as you guys are raising is that its clearing too fast..

[round zinc]

there isn't a problem with clearing content too fast,its clearing content too easily and creating a precedence for future content to be designed around it

[tulip charm]

Nah determine is also a huge problem in pvp aswell

[marsh river]

pvp is a huge problem in of itself lmao

[round zinc]

pvp is a separate issue i dont play it so i cant comment on it tbh

[tulip charm]

Oh disregard that

[round zinc]

like you wanna see a game whose content is designed around just the meta stuff?destiny 2

[gentle lichen]

I can very much comment on the fact that a bulwark shield covering your face can still be shot and cause you to go down

[marsh river]

determination working in pvp is indeed a funny booger

[round zinc]

yea i dont think anyone disagrees on this

determined in pvp is yikes

[tulip charm]

Also current determined pretty much invalidates any talent current/future talents for mmr/some rifles

[gentle lichen]

I intentionally left hand peek to be able to fight any and all determined users and it's pretty draining

[tulip charm]

No point in using any other talent if I can just one shot everything without it

[round zinc]

it also partly because of how most of the gear they've dropped recently is either a dps monster or an irrelevant gimmicky thing of the day that will just clog up your stash

lengmo

[gentle lichen]

I still use ranger for pvp and damage outweighs the utility for me
I need to see the damage it can do with white death (post patch)

[round zinc]

so the meta stuff will just stand out even more because its not just the most efficient tactic available,its the only efficient tactic available at this rate

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tulip charm]

Idk about the wd but most people are running m700 here which is more than enough to one shot every without bonus armor

[shy willow]

At least lengmo is good for pvp

[final escarp]

well, since KOZ & LEX only run bulk builds.. can anybody tell me what I can do to counter bulk builds?

[fresh fox]

not telling you

[final escarp]

why not

[fresh fox]

i don’t want to

[magic pilot]

You won't like the counter

[worn mango]

Maybe the pain is good to them

[gentle lichen]

Woah there sir

[fresh fox]

woah chill out bud

[worn mango]

Whoa pals

[urban latch]

Like legendary? Because you can just 1 shot targets with only bodyshots on legendary. It just completely trivializes the game

[magic pilot]

HH is used in basically every content?

You can oneshot hunters in heroic countdown still with the right build

[gentle lichen]

Team buffs also increase that number

[vestal ibex]

HH is one of the most busted talents in the game and the skill surround actually hitting heads is the reward. Determined just makes it almost cheating and removes skill from the equation mostly.

[onyx sage]

determined is a very strong talent.

[gentle lichen]

1 determined sir with a side of hotshot

[surreal depot]

You still have to hit the head once.. it's not that strong, quite a weak talent

[onyx sage]

but sir, it is strong for my uncle

[surreal depot]

Comparing WR speedrunner to us is elitism sir

[onyx sage]

but sir, anyone can farm zoo like you sir

[surreal depot]

Because I do it with a raw skill power build

[surreal depot]

And determined bugs out wall street mission, that should be more than enough evidence that it's weak and needs buffing

[onyx sage]

💀

[red island]

dem skill buckets

[tawny belfry]

The 10% Armor repair kit from Doctor Home, is that based on my armor or on the agent's armor?

[fresh fox]

agents

iirc

[tawny belfry]

Alright ty

[magic pilot]

Is it??

Compton first time being wrong??

[tawny belfry]

Talent description is not telling it 😛

[fresh fox]

WTF

maybe i’m washed guys

i should study more

get a degree in div 2

[onyx sage]

go back to kenly college

[tulip charm]

Phd in Div 2

[fresh fox]

maybe i will

and i will do soooo much diamondback grinding

[magic pilot]

They mess with doctor home so much

I know it used to be based on the person using it

Because people were running it on tanks, but it might have changed

[red island]

PHDiv2

[tawdry raven]

Is dttoc bis 3rd att for capacitor?

[onyx sage]

ye

[tawdry raven]

Dope just got one from weaver, haven't invested in a capacitor yet

[magic pilot]

Super fun

30% chd and 10% chc, and it's the only AR with DTA

[ornate breach]

hello is 600m dps enough for double barreled shotgun?

[urban latch]

That's alright

[magic pilot]

Kinda low but I'd let you join my ftc raids

[snow ingot]

I’m using catharsis and contractors gloves with gr9 for my HB build. Is foxes prayer better?

[magic pilot]

Don't use gr9 or catharsis

Or contractor/fox lol

[snow ingot]

Beans

Well if you had to pick between the two

Or what should I really be using

[tulip charm]

Yay or nay?

Also how do you use the medkit

[snow ingot]

It replaces your armor kit. So I assume that button would do it

[tulip charm]

nvm i figured it out

[dapper herald]

@dense seal you thinking about revamping any vids for TU22 changes ?

[magic pilot]

Pretty good

[magic pilot]

He's not active atm

[dapper herald]

Thanks

[wise swallow]

be careful with the medkit on it

insta kit will eat your ability

[tulip charm]

Yeah i did a round with conflict and i was wondering why it wasn’t procing

You have to hold it to proc

[tulip charm]

Also i need to fix a cham for next season

What build would go with it well

[shy willow]

😱

[tulip charm]

Shocking right?

[stiff jasper]

Personally I don't agree intimidate with sc, but I suggest you go with tech spec

Holding Chem , gain intimidate stack by tech armor, V then combat

[shy willow]

Extremely

[tulip charm]

What talent do you recommend for sc? (Its just for fun)

[shy willow]

I had a Hb with sharpshooter and the spotter drone once that I ran with chameleon for goofs

[tulip charm]

Yeah with the base damage buff and reducing the number of body shots helps cham alot

And all you need is its middle part to outdps most things

[stiff jasper]

Unbreakable, tardigrade, gunslinger, perfect companion

Basically you won't want combat being long if you run sc, also you need some talent that are stable and controllable

[tulip charm]

Oh I see thats fair

[clever merlin]

for solo HF memento which chest talent should I get spotter, obliterate or intimidate?

[tulip charm]

Depends

[clever merlin]

i think ill stick to flatline spotter for now

[tulip charm]

Not a bad idea

[clever merlin]

Was wondering if anyone use double sokolov too with intimidate and adrenaline rush

[tulip charm]

That is a thing.

[marsh river]

some weird countdown i just had.. with random group, we somehow perfectly stacked all the dmg buffs. i saw myself hitting for 2.4m+ per bullet with st elmo striker

never melted so hard before

then we get to hunters and 4 ppl disconnect and we get wiped.

[shy willow]

Probably just close buff

[marsh river]

what?

[onyx sage]

countdown has a "close buff" if you get lucky in its countermeasures

it's the strongest buff you can get in there

[marsh river]

ok

never paid attention to it

[junior surge]

It's kinda inconsistent, but you can deal like 3-4 times your usual damage sometimes with it, it's nuts

[surreal depot]

What about the "dien buff"

[onyx sage]

it died

[surreal depot]

It's eternal

[solar sable]

why
just why

[onyx sage]

dien is kill

1 like = 1 prayer

[atomic trench]

Is there something like a deflector shield build

[onyx sage]

it depends on what you want to do with it, if you want to hyperfocus on your shield being as strong as it could and doing as much skill damage as it could, it's a variant of a foundry bulwark build with skill damage rolls

sadly it's not very relevant in any content

[marsh river]

i wish there was a way to make a viable red core gun-focused eclipse build

ridgeway eclipse bleed tank :P

[honest moss]

Been trying to theory craft a dps/solo eclipse build for a while. Kinda hard to describe viable. But there is leeway if you want the chest or not. Gonna assume you intend to use the bag since its got a real nice perk for damage. But you could try eclipse: bag, any 3 other gear slots but chest and mask, chest as either unbreakable or glass canon and then run catharsis/vile if you felt like it.

[onyx sage]

back in the day the bag didn't require the full 4p to be equipped

it was funny as hell just seeing people run literally just the EP bag in a normal dps build

[marsh river]

theoretically a ridgeway pride eclipse build can give u more armor regen than a regen tank

which is a bit funny

[honest moss]

I have actually made and tried this, wasn't as strong as id hoped. Also tried this with creeping death, slightly better

[marsh river]

but only momentarily ofc.

what are the modifiers for the actual burn damage on iron lung?

regular status effect and burn damage?

[honest moss]

I'd think so but personally haven't checked. Possibly works like pestilence where it doesn't scale but it should be status effects and burn damage. Duration too

[onyx sage]

if it does scale with stats, it will also scale with dta too, so you want to aim for dta 3rd attribute. i've heard that it does scale but need someone to confirm

[honest moss]

It also should but i want to say it doesn't depending on the source. Not entirely sure but it does work for oxidizer so i'd assume it will for status conditions.

From a very quick and totally 100% accurate test, it appears to work.

Went from roughly 46k burn to 49k with contractors equipped on iron lung

[onyx sage]

for burn? burn always scales off dta

no matter the source

[worn mango]

I had no idea about that

Granted I've never specced into burn

[magic pilot]

What buffs the demo firefly🤔

[worn mango]

I'm not telling you

[uneven igloo]

how would yall rate this build for pvp? Is there anything that could make this build better or is it good enough already?
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwdgtMYMxgjBYAMSXLajiBcAOaD5JhJ1TNUsAWQ-G0csxrYAVjEtoa6eD0hhLch2KADYEA4cOZQAnGDay8sFmxXgV4lXh6J+0eLCIxkIcT1FsYsWMhUpRHRkiyisGw87RYjca2y8gA

[red island]

why capacitor ?

also i dont understand the talent you choose for backpack and chest

you have no cc

reliable cc i mean

[uneven igloo]

that's the only best thing i have for AR pvp, but if you tell me a better ar to talk about, tell me, i would be glad

[red island]

any other ar would be better, like even elmo

or f2000

[uneven igloo]

that supposed to give me extra 20% damage after i debuff enemies, which is apparently works, especially when you make them "blind"

[red island]

yeah but you sacrifice your chest talent to make your backpack talent work

[uneven igloo]

Elmo's damage looked bad for me despite all main attributes being rolled up to maximum

[red island]

when you could just go spotter on chest and another damage talent on backpack

[red island]

just roll it dttooc

or use f2000

and also, use better talents on chest/backpack

if you want a pre made build, check pinned message link

[uneven igloo]

i have no idea what talent to use for chest, then

[red island]

also you got smg damage as brand set, but you use ar

[uneven igloo]

I use smg to shred any enemies that get too close, ar is mainly for mid-long range fights

i don't rely on both of them too much

[red island]

its bad to split your damage on different weapon type

you need to heavily invest on one type to be reliable

either go smg, or ar, not both

[uneven igloo]

what smg do you prefer to take for pvp then? I heard that uroboros is hard to get.

[red island]

ouro isnt that hard to get, you just need to do incursion

and other smg can work

[uneven igloo]

plus, i would be probably left up to close range fights then, since smg's distance sucks even with crits..

[red island]

for pvp if you dont use ouro and you want an smg, vector should be good

with close and personnal as talent

[uneven igloo]

what about mp7 too? It also has very excellent rpm

[red island]

its fine, but strained talent on it is straight up garbage

just look up the pinned message if you want to get a build

everything is written there

[uneven igloo]

alr, ty

[rich cosmos]

My current build for when next season drops

Im gonna make the lvoa work regardless if its still bad

Something to keep note of is I do need a better roll on my lvoa, its stats cool be better

With better stats, the umbra buff, and the behind you buff, it might just barely hit 1 mil entirely without a damage backpack talent

[worn mango]

I've seen people use rugged gaunlets, not sure if the gloves in your build are essential

[magic pilot]

Rugged gauntlets terrible with umbra

Since you have to be out of cover for the buff

[worn mango]

Oh yeah there's no buff out of cover huh

[magic pilot]

If he hipfires 🤣

[worn mango]

That sounds like a new meta lol

[magic pilot]

Best thing since sliced bread

[worn mango]

Best thing since Rigger

For whatever reason I don't vibe with the Umbra gameplay but I've also never really given it a shot

Sitting in cover to get your stacks seems so meh to me

[rich cosmos]

The gloves have added handling

[rich cosmos]

Its annoying but its good

Probably the only reason its getting a buff

Honestly the buff just makes the backpack more viable to use

[worn mango]

I don't even remember what it's getting for buffs

Maybe because I've also really only ever seen people use LMG's on it and I'm just not a fan

[rich cosmos]

Rpm increase and damage increase

Both minor buffs

[worn mango]

Makes sense

[onyx sage]

i've used umbra with both shotguns and rifles. felt very fun

[rich cosmos]

Umbra is very good its just a pain to work with

The both honestly was unnecessary but is very conveniently good for rifles being full auto

[worn mango]

How long do you have to wait for full stacks and how long do they last?

[rich cosmos]

Idk full time but its not long

Like 4 seconds or something close

[worn mango]

Yeesh

[rich cosmos]

Thats also why Im using the backpack

It leans more into the mechanic and gives healing better

[tulip charm]

you should run killer, optimistic, strained instead of behind you

[rich cosmos]

Maybe

But I always play in a group

And use skills that stun

[worn mango]

I was mucking about with my Dark Winter today because I need proficiency. That thing is going to be a problem

[magic pilot]

I hate it tbh

Nego/dark winter 🥶

[worn mango]

I still don't get Nego when I can just beam a single person lol

Spreading around my damage is just not my forte

[tulip charm]

I love spreading my damage all over the place

[hexed steppe]

its more like duplicating damage as opposed to spreading. if you hammer a spawn youll crit everything and all will be taking damage regardless of which you focus

in areas where there are a lot of npcs it easily out damages striker

[worn mango]

I believe I had one setup but just some reason I kept thinking "I don't feel like I'm killing anything" lol

Complete skill issue though, don't get me wrong

[magic pilot]

It does take awhile to get used to

[worn mango]

I haven't used it with Ouro yet though, may as well give it a run again

[hexed steppe]

when i moved to nego i had been running highend for a long time . they pretty much operate the same other than shifting aim to make sure you have marks. i definitely prefer it over striker, but maybe thats because im still trying to pickup marks subconsciously while using striker. nego can also destroy some immune things through transfer.
nego is 😍

[worn mango]

Do you use coyote/backpack or Oblit/Vig or some other combo?

[hexed steppe]

coyote/oblit, oblit/foxs

i like the bag for max transfer. some like using vig for a little better single target, but at that point its just better to striker i think

[worn mango]

So bag gives you more targets?

[tulip charm]

Bag just increases crit damage transfer

[hexed steppe]

100% transfer with the bag

chest is more targets

[worn mango]

Ahh

With Fox's huh

Just for the armor?

[hexed steppe]

yeah, for rifle and dttooc

[worn mango]

It's so silly slapping this together and getting 60/198 instantly

Coyote's feels excessive at that point

[hexed steppe]

damage is conditioned on the target so if running something like dttooc/dta and your target meets those conditions, the transfered damage will include that even if the mark is in cover and/or has no armor

with dta if target and mark have armor the mark gets the dta calculated twice

and you always want to push right up to chc cap

[onyx sage]

and that's why all red nego is the best skill damage build

just look at your total skill damage dealt at end of mission

[hexed steppe]

😂

facts

maybe thats why these guys think yellow nego is the sht

[onyx sage]

i want to see someone make a youtube video with "best skill damage build" in the title and it's just red nego

technically correct

[rich cosmos]

Reposting because I optimized and added expertise so most likely with the talent and gearset buffs it will do 1 mil at max stacks

Although I will probably add another weapon handling mod

Hard to gage what the weapon mod buffs will change along with full auto

[magic pilot]

Backpack is getting buff too

[snow ingot]

What kind of builds to people bring to raids. Or what should I bring for a first time clear. Just striker dps?

[vestal ibex]

Strikers is fine for DH but I'd suggest a highend AR build for IH raid.

[worn mango]

I used it and hated it again lol

[magic pilot]

Lmao

[worn mango]

Something is wrong with me and that's fine

[magic pilot]

Sometimes I think it feels like shit too so

[worn mango]

And I could just be using it in wrong scenarios, like everywhere

I just like being a utilitarian with my 4b2r AoK Striker lol

[hushed latch]

What kind of build would i need to do incursion?

[worn mango]

Either you're a Striker Red or a Healer

[rich cosmos]

Striker, fi healer

[rich cosmos]

Thats it, nothing else is really worth using over those

[hushed latch]

ok, cool.

[worn mango]

I'm still not sure if you need chest though, just depends if you can really keep 200 stacks or not

[rich cosmos]

Final encounter yes

[hushed latch]

How does one play healer in this game, hive/chem launcher?

[worn mango]

Yeah

[magic pilot]

I run chest for everything past turrets

[worn mango]

I figured as much

[worn mango]

I did on the run where I got my Ouro but I didn't know any better lol

[magic pilot]

Eh it's fine

Some people do some don't

[magic pilot]

@hushed latch

[worn mango]

I think if you're a good shooter and not a burger you can do both because you'll always be shootin

I'm always jivin around lol

[magic pilot]

I be missing on turrets

Problem is unless your team sucks there isn't a lot to shoot to keep 200 stacks

[worn mango]

Yeah that's the thing

You'll go through a wave and then just stop for a bit

[magic pilot]

healer

@hushed latch just remember for incursion you only need to heal up to 980k armor. Then spec into skill haste

[hushed latch]

it's possible to get btsu from countdown ?

and thank you @magic pilot !

[worn mango]

Yeah it'll drop from Countdown or Exotic Cache

[hushed latch]

good.

[worn mango]

And there's only three exotic gloves so decent chances

[rich cosmos]

Rugged rework when

Rugged gauntlets gotta be the most scuffed exotic fr

[magic pilot]

Sawyers

Or ninja knees

[rich cosmos]

I mean they can at least work with big buffs

Rugged straight up just needs a completely different talent

[magic pilot]

True

[hazy steeple]

Wait, I got it. I think we all know what the worst Exotic Gear is.

Imp. Dynasty.

[rich cosmos]

Landing hits grants a stack of 1% crit chance and handling, stacks reset at 60, critical hits count as 3 stacks

[rich cosmos]

It would be good with changes to the percentages

[tulip charm]

Dynasty is the worst exotic in the whole game and its not even close

[tulip charm]

so can any other exotics tho

[rich cosmos]

I think rugged is the worst because it forces you into a terrible playstyle

[hazy steeple]

The effect itself is....fine I guess, but the fact that a single fire status effect has a 35 second cooldown.

[rich cosmos]

Imp is bad because of stats

[tulip charm]

Imp is bad because of talent its literally useless

[rich cosmos]

Because of stats

Like what

[tulip charm]

rugged can atleast be made in a quirky build

imp is useless in any build you throw it in

[hazy steeple]

It's a basegame exotic, right. So the fact that it has HazPro, does that mean that at one point, we were going to have a chance for that one nearby enemy to be us.

[rich cosmos]

The fire starts from way too far of a range to be usable and its cooldown is abysmal, buff both to be shorter range and shorter cooldown, add an instant refresh if you kill an enemy on fire

Rugged needs a different talent because its gimmick just simply isn’t fun or engaging

Like, the exotic works, that doesn’t mean its good

We really need a project resolve for exotics

[tulip charm]

Never said it was good to begin with xd

[rich cosmos]

Yea but, other exotics just need buffs compared to rugged

Rugged is on a different level of bad

[hexed steppe]

It's a good component

[rich cosmos]

Tru

[hazy steeple]

I.Dynasty is so bad that you don't even want the component for it.
Rolling an Elmo w/that component is guaranteed to give you +range.

[rich cosmos]

I forgot are we getting an exotic gear item next season?

[worn mango]

Yeah

The holster that gives you a few buffs

Centurion's Scabbard

[rich cosmos]

Oh yeah

Man I wish we had a mask version of ridgeways

Or just buff it

I want to use it but I hate the range of it

[magic pilot]

The new holster is cool

[red island]

i dont discriminate exo components

i love them all the same

[gloomy spruce]

I use the Imperial Dynasty on some of my eclipse fire builds. Using skill builds solo makes me vulnerable, and in some missions if I have lots of NPC's flanking like True Sons, the holster keeps them at bay and allows me to stay safe. I am giving up the Vile, but often it allows me to create an area denial field around me.

[rich cosmos]

Even as someone who wants imp to be good, how

In its current state it is just not worth using

A high end is more valuable than it

[gloomy spruce]

It is all about circumstances. There was a version of the DCD hq manhunt mission that people struggled with. They were not used to True Sons on that mission. They flank a lot. I got through the mission easy peasy on heroic because I had the Imperial Dynasty with Eclipse fire.

I keep on all all 4 of my characters. I can be helpful.

Most useless Exotic to me is the merciless. They nerfed that gun into the ground because it broke the game so often in year one.

[rich cosmos]

?

[gloomy spruce]

Oh that weapon has a history, lol

Originally the bullets were explosive

It's holstered talent made your bullets explosive as well

It broke bosses worse than sledgehammer lol

It even had some interaction with the original ND set.

Hence why it has become the useless rifle we all know and scrap on sight

[rich cosmos]

I don’t see how its useless

[hazy steeple]

Merci/Ruth is absolutely not "useless". It's just not overly strong.

It's a soft C grade as far as Exotics go.

[rich cosmos]

Once again a minor buff could instantly bump it up a grade or two, like fixing its handling more or lowering the required amount of shots

[hexed steppe]

vile ticks are most likely stronger than your imperial dynasty ticks. fire sticky and fire chem should be enough to dominate areas and perform the same cc function as id. a good alternative is jammer pulse for stuff flanking , a good amount of the npcs will stagger when disrupted

using ep bag i hope

[hazy steeple]

and don't forget: vile doesn't have a 35 second cooldown.

[gloomy spruce]

Normally do, but today I decided to use the Courier. The idea is that it is a tool in open world and some missions to prevent NPC's from surrounding you. Vile is powerful, because it can finish off weakened NPC's, but I find the Imperial Dynasty useful to keep myself safe.

[gloomy spruce]

The cooldown is annoying, but the idea is that it is area denial.

[rich cosmos]

So, vile…

[gloomy spruce]

Depends on the circumstance or my mood.

[hazy steeple]

I agree with blinder, Imp Dyn is vile.
oh there's a comma there, darn.

[hexed steppe]

doesnt id only hit one npc every 35sec? jammer would hit everything and proc a stronger damage tick. its just more bang for your buck. creeping is great for foam cc builds, but ep bag is what you want on fire... itll kill faster so less likely to be flanked

[rich cosmos]

Nah thats funnier the way you had it

[gloomy spruce]

Yeah, but I often want the fire sticky and chem. This keeps me from being flanked.

[hazy steeple]

I'm funny, but only when it's grammatically correct.
it's like explaining a joke, it certainly doesn't ruin it

[hexed steppe]

you could also scorpio to proc some cc with teeth

[hazy steeple]

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for people using underrepresented or flat out "bad" builds, but trying to say that it's superior in any situation is a hiding to nowhere.

[gloomy spruce]

I do. True sons in particular are annoying in that they will have a guy run to the ends of the earth to flank you.

Imperial Dynasty counters that.

[rich cosmos]

Praying umbra buff doesn’t get changed before next season

Having to wait another 2 weeks just for a full auto lvoa is hell

[hexed steppe]

missing the point. stronger fire + any cc ticks will kill npcs faster. dead npcs dont flank

[hazy steeple]

If it makes you feel better, just remember: it's probably more than 2 weeks.

[gloomy spruce]

In a perfect world yes, in the Division 2 with issues like teleporting/electro sliding NPC's, weird npc spawn locations, and other fun events; some back protection from the chaos that is this game has its benefits. Normally, I use the vile. On some missions and control points, the Imperial Dynasty is more helpful. Its an insurance policy.

[rich cosmos]

💀

[rich cosmos]

Wouldn’t killing something objectively faster fix those problems

[gloomy spruce]

Again, on paper that would be the idea. In this game, when playing solo that is not always true.

[rich cosmos]

Look, I like imp as an exotic, but I ain’t gonna use it because I know its bad

[hexed steppe]

"not true" because you are downgrading your damage. between id and creeping you are missing a lot of damage

[gloomy spruce]

Again normally I play with vile and the EP backpack. In some fights though, I vary my build to adapt to the circumstances.

[hazy steeple]

As someone who pretty much exclusively plays solo in div2, one random enemy in a radius around me on fire every just over half a minute is not worth an entire Gear Slot.

[rich cosmos]

Yea

[hazy steeple]

If it was a Brandset Named Item, sure. That's what I.Dyn feels like actually.

[gloomy spruce]

Again this took me through an entire mission that many of my friends could not clear solo because I lowered my damage just a bit to stay alive.

[hazy steeple]

You can clear Heroic with a pure white build with enough practice.

[rich cosmos]

I said it earlier but they should cut the range down, lower the cooldown to 20s, and make it so if you kill an enemy on fire it refunds the talent cooldown

[gloomy spruce]

This is my normal EP build:

[hexed steppe]

not bad like that

[gloomy spruce]

I know I could swap the knees for Electrique and I sometimes do. Right now I like the little bit of extra damage.

[hazy steeple]

windows has a built in screen-capping tool btw, much easier than using your whole screen.
"snipping tool" is the name.

[gloomy spruce]

I only use the Imperial Dynasty on special fights.

[hexed steppe]

one handy thing about fire. it can double dip status effects and skill damage . stacking cap or insync also drives the damage up

[hazy steeple]

It's like how I use Mad Bomber if I just want to chill around the LZ for a while.
I'm not going to pretend it's a good build though.

[gloomy spruce]

That is the whole idea. You vary a build to meet your circumstances.

[gloomy spruce]

I know, I experimented for hours at one point between status effects and skill damage to find the right combo.

[hexed steppe]

im not gonna beat a dead horse. just putting the info out there is enough. if it works for you do it up ig

[gloomy spruce]

I know a lot of people run Firewall with Eclipse Fire, but I like survivalist for the PfE. Those are the NPC's who are often most immune to fire.

[hexed steppe]

i run survivalist as well

[gloomy spruce]

Especially chunga

[gloomy spruce]

The bolts are helpful against a lot of other armored NPC's and the fire grenades are chef's kiss

[hexed steppe]

if you roll a pistol to sledgehammer, then fire grenade has a long proc time for anything that runs into the fire

just needs a split second weapon swap to proc it

[gloomy spruce]

I need do do that with my main. I have a pistol that works like that on a few of my other characters.

I keep a lefty on each character now just in case I am in a group that needs sledgehammer.

[hexed steppe]

i have 2 versions of eclipse. status immune cc for countdown, and standard damage. older ss but i use cap a lot on fire so i can double dip the damage

[magic pilot]

I think we've had this conversation before but why do you roll Hazpro over running disrupt mods

[hexed steppe]

i can put haste in the mods and hazpro on the gear to be immune to everything. disrupt mods leave me lacking against every other status.
i also prioritize haste on and secondary rolls so the trade is an even swap.
status effects only add about 1 sec to the foam duration so its no big loss . sitting around 100% haste

[gloomy spruce]

@hazy steeple I have a version of that I have experimented with:

The latter is what its fire grenade looks like. I can let you imagine how large an area the overcharged chem launcher hits

[magic pilot]

Gotcha

[hazy steeple]

Not a fan of Acostas.

or Scorpio.

or that outfit. Green backpack and a white jacket?

[hexed steppe]

its good on cc for overcharging and long lasting disrupts/foam

[gloomy spruce]

It is not that helpful all the time, but it synergizes with the perfect mad bomber

[hazy steeple]

I use neither Acostas, nor p/Mad Bomber.

[magic pilot]

Oxi

[gloomy spruce]

As for the outfit, I am sorry my sense of fashion is bad.

[magic pilot]

Let's see the build rivens. Since you are the big grenade expert

This is your field

[hazy steeple]

Sorry, trade secret.

[magic pilot]

What is this TUX classified builds?

I gotta pay a subscription

[hazy steeple]

I was going to make a joke about paid builds, but I think even the filter would flag me for the version I was gonna say.

[magic pilot]

That's hilarious

[gloomy spruce]

Someone charges for classified builds?! o_0

[hazy steeple]

If you pay for Classified Builds in div2 that's just natural selection at that point.

[rich cosmos]

Gotta pay for a meta overpowered set of system corruption

[hazy steeple]

no blinder, classified builds don't exist in div2 :p

[rich cosmos]

I know but Im using my knowledge instead

[hazy steeple]

just ask for a wony carry in div1, you'll be fine.

[rich cosmos]

Yeah paradise lost in div 1 gonna be easy

[magic pilot]

Yes actually lol

[gloomy spruce]

What has happened to this game? I feel so out of it these days.

[magic pilot]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBJsqYl7c1LMGZFjFvhNHiiNJXdKNcVOI&si=e_V3HSEFDpaOqRyA

[gloomy spruce]

I prefer funny cat vids instead:

https://youtu.be/eqThKWoMw8g?si=-lSxdW3ESMnP9pzm

At least tux seems to have a graphics group. Nice touch.

[hazy steeple]

Having an add-on that hides thumbnails and replaces it with a frame from the video itself makes these so much funnier.

[magic pilot]

Lmao

[gloomy spruce]

The cat vid or the tux vid?

[magic pilot]

Funnily enough he made a video about a build a few years ago, it was a foundary memento regulus build and someone made a video exposing what it was so people didn't have to pay for it

[gloomy spruce]

🤔

Foundry, memento + regulus?! Um, I am trying to find the direction in that.

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/kDovS0c8sPc?si=18GbDaOpxo_BAvS4

[gloomy spruce]

Did he say it could hit shots and not die, or was it supposed to tank?

[gloomy spruce]

What the actual heck did I just watch? 2.5 mins of a drama of some sort...

Thank for that @magic pilot . Truly educational.

[magic pilot]

I'm glad you enjoyed it just as much as I did

[raven viper]

Hey guys I heard there are specific roles for raids etc. So you can't just run any build even if it's maxed out? If so i would like to do raids and could use some pointer so I can enjoy a good raid

[gloomy spruce]

Most of the time if you are a First Time Carry (FTC) you will be playing DPS. Typically for DH, full red striker is fine. On IH, it will be a high end dps set.

The spreadsheet below has many of the builds:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FaDDfFIqOgdTfceG2ByFvmgStZ6K7whC-7LdND6WXL0/edit?usp=drivesdk

[raven viper]

Appreciate you man

[onyx sage]

i think this is a response to it from m3rc33: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qukggbl0etU

probably what you meant as the video exposing the build

[gloomy spruce]

So the original was a blue tips, the unkillable was a foundry hh, and the last build he recommends is a blue HHF build. Wild

[onyx sage]

ancient forbidden techniques. don't let the masses know for free

[magic pilot]

That's it

[magic pilot]

Red HHF with memento lol

[scenic quest]

Just a thought but would a status spread build work with the new exotic ar next season ?

[fresh fox]

yea i guess

[radiant reef]

Suggestions on this? The sub cores are crit chance or crit damage - I have 50% CHC with the LMG, and 80% CHD with it, a little low, but still hits hard.

And yes those are contractiors

[snow ingot]

I think more dps with high end backpack talent. Replace contractors with hB gloves if sticking catharsis

[radiant reef]

Yeah thats fair

[snow ingot]

I use that build exactly tho. Works fine for heroic.

[hexed steppe]

Why not ceska vigilance bag?
Damage to bonus armor and/or shield will preserve vigilance

Also contractos/foxs on crit starved builds is lower damage than using crit piece

[radiant reef]

Yeah No ceska with vigilance sadly

otherwise it would be my go to

running a LMG so shield no go

[gloomy spruce]

I just rewatched it, it was red. I feel so ashamed.

[magic pilot]

lol it happens

Blue HHF is pretty common tho

Navy rain uses it for DUA speed after second set of chungas

[vague locust]

I have a question about weapon handling does it do anything else other than improving accuracy stability and weapon reload speed

[hazy steeple]

1% in Weapon Handling gives you 1% in each of the 4 stats:
Stability (vertical kick), Accuracy (reticule bloom), Reload, Swap-speed.

it's a great stat to have on almost any gun build, but only after you've sorted out your primary stats, re; crit, hsd, etc.

[vague locust]

Ooooo thank you and have a good rest of your day

[magic pilot]

It's worth noting that stability also includes weapon sway

[rich cosmos]

You know, from doing testing with my rifle build, I have learned that lvoa is so god damn bad

Why is the lvoa so bad

its like they wanted it to never be used

[vague locust]

Another question if you increase the weapons rate of fire would it decrease time it takes for your Character to chamber a Another round in a pump action shotgun And a bolt action

[hazy steeple]

If those are part of reloading, then it's reload-speed.

I'm not really a "gun" person.

[rich cosmos]

I put on the uic15 and immediately was hitting over a mil and with zero recoil like why is the lvoa as terrible as it is I don’t understand

[vague locust]

Ye it's fine

[hazy steeple]

Oh I think I get it now. You mean between each shot fired. Yeah that should be covered by fire-rate.

[vague locust]

Ooo thank you again and have a good rest of your day

[hazy steeple]

For the record: dtooc (damage to target out of cover) will be a larger overall increase to your DPS, since there are so few sources for it, it's basically impossible to over do.

[versed summit]

UIC is more usable sure, but it's absolute garbage DPS

[rich cosmos]

I don’t doubt that but Im also factoring in the rpm buff of umbra

But still I swapped to a different rifle and it immediately did better than the lvoa

[versed summit]

yeah lvoa has some handling issues. M4 is honestly a lot better, somehow

[rich cosmos]

I might have to put another weapon handling attribute because I don’t know how the added rpm will affect it

The Lvoa definitely tanks in stats just to be usable

[versed summit]

well RPM is the same, AFAIK

I was hearing that somehow handling mods weren't affecting it in the PTS though? could be misinfo tho

[rich cosmos]

Umbra rpm

Umbra rpm buff

[smoky valve]

hi all im a returning player what are the builds i should be looking for now its been a while

[red island]

check pinned message for builds

[cyan gulch]

What’s the best talent to put on AR suitable for raids..

[red island]

Dépends your role

If you're dps, dépends your build

[cyan gulch]

Dps… includes 3 pieces providence, contractors gloves, fox’s prayer and coyote’s mask.

[red island]

What's your skills ?

And guns

Tbh youd be better off cheking pinned message for builds

[void hatch]

how much grind do i do to get anything real good only have like 3 days playtime tho lol

[red island]

You'll have all the answer there

[red island]

Not much for the basic, a bit more for complicated builds

[versed summit]

Strained then. Fast hands works too.

[cyan gulch]

thanks alot

[hexed steppe]

All the questioning then nothing of substance 😂.

Tell me you have no effin clue without saying you have no effin clue

Too funny

[red island]

nah i was about to give them a build but then i got bored and lazy

lot of builds are viable tbh, its mostly a matter of taste

and playstyle

for example : mortar playstyle is bad and should be deleted from the game entirely

[hexed steppe]

That wasnt the question... they listed out a standard raid dps. why would you put forth a build when they just wanted info on a talent? Sometimes it's just better to let something sit for a minute if you dont have an answer, or at least an idea of an answer

I'll stick with my no clue comment concerning your mortar blasphemy

[red island]

cause i dodnt know their entire build

they only listed gear

i could have just said put flatline and use pulse

but as i said, got bored

[hexed steppe]

It's always strained /fasthands. With the pieces listed you should know it's a crit build

[red island]

as i said, multiple builds are viable

we aint all clones of each others

otherwise coyote would be useless on most builds

[hexed steppe]

Thank god Lootcifer

[red island]

thats why i dont copy and paste the builds on the spreadsheet

i adapt it to my playstyle

for example i like pulse, so i run pulse and flatline/spotter often

but i didnt want to bother making the whole build so i told him spreadsheet he goes

[onyx sage]

i use HF backpack

[hexed steppe]

No, ninja bag supremacy

[onyx sage]

solo god mode ninjabike build

[wanton rose]

im building determined build, anyone advice? running chainkiller with 4pc hotshot and memento

[red island]

dont build 4pc, just get fox prayer's instead

also vigilance bp is better imo

[tulip charm]

4pc is fine

[wanton rose]

wont proc bc my style

[wanton rose]

why shouldnt i use 4pc

[red island]

better dps

[red island]

if your style is to get hit, oneshot hotshot isnt really for you imo

[wanton rose]

my style is shield and gun, and on legendary i get hit quite much even from far distances

[red island]

marksman rifles dont go on shield ?

or did they change that

[hexed steppe]

Memento can work, but its gonna be a few mil less on top end shots. 4pc hot/chainkiller/airaldi vig bag is what I use

[vestal ibex]

For solo play you 100% don't need vigi.

[red island]

none of the parts are mandatory beside determine and chainkiller

its just a matter of preference/damage numbers

[wanton rose]

i hadnt used this build yet just threw sth together but recently i played lega stornghold with a random and it was quite powerful

[vestal ibex]

Keep using it and know it's OP af

[red island]

yeah its broken

[rich cosmos]

Me when guns shoot bullets

[red island]

make everything a piece of cake in the park

[vestal ibex]

Determined trivializes going for any heads once you've got the buff. The main thing you'll need to learn to utilize it the best is how head hunters works and when it'll drop and how to get back into head hunter stacks.

[patent fossil]

hotshot 4pc also gives bonus armor which can help maintain vigilance

[wanton rose]

another question: white death, m700 or 1886? currently running m700

[patent fossil]

getting rebalanced next season but whichever lets you hit the necessary breakpoints to 1-shot stuff in your preferred difficulty/group size while also having decent mag size/reload/whatever other qol you like