td2-build-advice

[tawdry raven]

Cuz striker is point and shoot not line up and shoot

Not codependent on headshots

[magic pilot]

HHF is point and shoot lol

Do you think that people who use it are standing still lining up shots?

[wise swallow]

striker is point and shoot multiple times. HHF is point and shoot once. Their just different builds. they can both coexist lol

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/MRNvMSV_NgA?si=rOU03Yuw-Lux6iPp

The goat himself

[tawdry raven]

I mean there's a reason strikers is getting nerfed and none of that is

[magic pilot]

Because the average player can't aim worth a shit

Not because HF isn't as good lol

Please go clear birdhouse with striker

Let me know how it goes

[wise swallow]

Why do you have such a brainless hate for HHF lol

[magic pilot]

HF is the single fastest way to level without using any glitches

[wise swallow]

I really dont get it, even I dont hate on pistol PVP builds this much

how did you develop this hate

[tawdry raven]

Did u just suggest a mission is impossible with strikers?

Go play the incursion with hhf

[magic pilot]

You absolutely can lmao

[magic pilot]

I'm suggesting you would never make it that far to even know

[wise swallow]

hasnt dien done it? or have I seen manning gameplay

[magic pilot]

I've seen it done with only skill builds, only pistols, it's been done solo

I don't understand how you would think striker is the only way to beat incursion

[wise swallow]

I just wanna know why he hates HHF so much without even using it lol

[magic pilot]

Its either a lack of knowledge or arrogance

Or both

[onyx sage]

you just pump m870 onto the leg in 1 hit

you can do striker in birdhouse but it'd just take a long ass time

[serene hare]

This build I call "the 'no effort' build".

Pop the shield to cover your front, pop the drone to cover your back, shield never breaks, you never die, you always kill.

This is not fully optimized, tho.
My DH backpack have Headshot damage instead of Critical chance.
Still, this shit kills.

[tacit goblet]

Currently my build at full Strikers stack and Obliterate stacks, I have 550k Crit damage per crit

how do I make it go higher

im not shd level 1000 yet

[gloomy spruce]

I use Crit Hunter's fury quite often on heroic. It is a good set and you just have to be skilled with using it.

Often location, cover, and setting matter with it.

[onyx sage]

spawn killing is the name of the game for HF and it's excellent at it

[gloomy spruce]

Yeah its all shock and awe.

People really underestimate how powerful the banshee pulse can be with that set. You just pop it on a group and destroy them with a M870 with Pummel.

Mops work great with it as well.

I keep a mop with pummel. It destroys whole groups of NPC's.

[tulip charm]

Show pics of build and the stat page

[tacit goblet]

gimme a moment

[serene hare]

Any tips to make this build even better? It's so cheap lmao.

[tulip charm]

Not run yellows

[tulip charm]

Do blue :/

[tacit goblet]

Yellow is for Status Effect, Blue is for haz protection

[serene hare]

Idc for protection, all I care is to hold my shield and burst mobs.

[tulip charm]

Blue core increase shield tier tho

[magic pilot]

Just work on getting better chest and gloves, if you really need more dmg and play up close you can use firewall shield

[tulip charm]

And more bonus armor

[tacit goblet]

otherwise is it usable

[serene hare]

Wait, what?

[magic pilot]

Yellow core > blue core

[magic pilot]

Yea your build is basically the ideal setup you just have some mismatched rolls

[gloomy spruce]

When you are using a gear set, you are losing secondary attribute rolls. Those rolls can help support your build. With striker the normal balance of Crit Hit and Crit chance should be about 60% Crit chance and around 120% crit hit damage.

[tulip charm]

Aint no way you didn’t notice this

[magic pilot]

You'll squeeze more dmg out with max watch, expertise and optimizing

[serene hare]

Noticed that?

[tacit goblet]

Im just using Grupo gloves because i couldnt get coyote mask

[gloomy spruce]

Shield tiers are a combination of blue and yellow cores

[onyx sage]

did you not know blue cores act as skill tier for shield

[magic pilot]

He doesn't play in English so the translation might not be 100% accurate for in game descriptions

It's happened before with him

[serene hare]

Well, I didn't.

I'm seeing it now.

[tulip charm]

Oh i see

[onyx sage]

better late than never

[magic pilot]

Totally fine, if you are playing in group usually someone has coyotes

[onyx sage]

it's not an uncommon mistake don't worry

[serene hare]

I'm actually kinda curious now.

[tacit goblet]

is it considered good DPS?

[serene hare]

It might be super handy.

[tulip charm]

Whats your third attribute on your elmos

[magic pilot]

Absolutely

[tacit goblet]

Reload speed

bad roll?

[tulip charm]

You might want to get some exptic components to try to get damage to target out of cover

[tacit goblet]

my main issue is I have no tank whatsoever

Its like "The best defense is offense, enemies cant shoot you if they are already dead"

[serene hare]

Wait, now my shields have less health.

[tulip charm]

You can run 2 blues cores if you need the extra tankiness

[tacit goblet]

how much lower would the DPS be tho

[tulip charm]

Not much

[tacit goblet]

Im mainly playing on heroic

[tulip charm]

I mean you can’t dps if you’re constantly dying

[tacit goblet]

I know how to take cover, I just dont want to immediately die if im caught with my pants down

[magic pilot]

Personally if you need more sustain I'd just run a palisade piece

[tacit goblet]

with Chamelon tho, after 2 Buffs, I get around 700kish Damage per crit

It might actually be underrated, but yeah will take much more time to rack up DPS compared to just using St elmo

[hazy steeple]

The big issue with Cham' isn't so much the buffs, it's how and how quickly they vanish.

It's still more than viable, but it's not exactly "OP".

[tulip charm]

Also it suffers greatly the tankier ads can get since itll be hard to clear the area under 45 secs

With the range of an smg

[tacit goblet]

But yeah just how OP can ouro be

With 60% crit chance and 120% crit damage

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hazy steeple]

Ouro also fires 9000000 rounds a second.

[tulip charm]

Anyway list to improve:
Increase your chc to near to 60% (with coyotes run around 54%)
Roll damage to out of cover for elmo whenever possible.
Optimize your striker pieces.
Better ceska chest and a spare ceska piece for when you run striker chest.

[serene hare]

Ok, I managed to make 2 new builds.
I had to change the sidearm build back to the Memento backpack, tho.

[tacit goblet]

Maxed Crit chance on Dark Winter

:)

[serene hare]

13.5 million shield health on the sidearm build and 4 million with the striker shield for the SMG build.

And the lack of initial damage means nothing, since I can stack damage with the Memento.

"Time to have some fun" ~Augus (Asura's Wrath)

[crystal token]

are links allowed in here? I'm trying to figure out what builds were used in an incursion run

[onyx sage]

yeah

[crystal token]

https://youtu.be/uPFHAAisYy4 [7 min incursion run]
trying to figure out what kind of regulus build he had for turrets
and the DT-HH build he had for the tanker fight

maybe the FI set too but i assume that was just the usual

[onyx sage]

it's just the high end build here: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=a7f5c11a-6dfd-226c-836b-18e272395d1c&noteKey=44191b2cdedaa56a2ada9a1d98cefe71

oh it's not loading

[crystal token]

are these the raucey builds?

orrr

[onyx sage]

basically punch drunk, fox's prayer, contractor, dodge city holster, the sacrifice, and vigilance backpack. he doesn't have headhunter on

[onyx sage]

and yeah

the backpack can be either habsburg or providence, but providence is easier to farm

and because it's providence, if you got the gift you can use it too

[crystal token]

pretty sure his determined build is right there with headhunter

[onyx sage]

i'm talking about the first build

this one is clearly 4p hotshot

[crystal token]

ah the reg build yeah

yeah i assumed with the icon

so 4pc hotshot with maybe 2 pc airaldi? spec everything for HS?

[onyx sage]

airaldi with chainkiller

and tbh you'd probably get better use out of high end headshot rather than hotshot

so you can snipe far and regulus close

[crystal token]

u mean airaldi with headhunter right

[onyx sage]

no, airaldi with vigilance, and chainkiller chest

chainkiller has perfect headhunter

[crystal token]

kinda forgot chainkiller was better than getting the airaldi 2pc LOL thanks

also which MR is that in the gameplay

custom M44?

[onyx sage]

model 700

[crystal token]

just the base model 700 alrighty thanks gonna go hunt down these pieces

thank you helicopter person !!

[onyx sage]

*helicopter noises*

[solar sable]

he said it!

[onyx sage]

headhunter

[crystal token]

@onyx sage tried to build with what I had so far thoughts? lead me to the light please

[onyx sage]

replace gloves with contractor's

and replace holster with either providence or dodge city

[crystal token]

contractors rolled to HS?

[onyx sage]

ye

[ancient dune]

Or claws out holster

[restive python]

What does A&8s do, exactly? You fire 3 headshots, 5 cards flipped, you got 1 beefy round, that's it, rinse and repeat?

[marsh river]

i have two questions.. what are some of the less obvious builds that you like to run in countdown, that is great benefit to group? not counting dps builds or healer. i mean like eclipse foam is obviously very useful and the hollow point build helps the group a lot too. but what is ur classic go-to build when doing randoms?

second question: how much health does the elites in heroic countdown have? think its possible to oneshot them with chainkiller?

i used to run a multi purpose countdown build but ive accidentaly salvaged some pieces.. it was the do-it-all support build for random countdown. yellow core ongoing directive with foam and opportunistic backpack... just all around massively boosting my group while doing very little myself

and i think it was pretty solid in fairness

[placid latch]

I'm playing a tanky build with scorpio where I can manage hunter

Scorpio give them bonus damage and you deal damage yourself while stunning ennemie

At least, I can kill the hunter on my own

[wide dove]

i found headshot builds helpful in speeding through lvl 30~40 in Manhattan, also heard they are a thing in pvp, but are there any other end-game content where they might be a thing?

[marsh river]

out of curiosity, what does that build look like specifically?

[hazy steeple]

Headshot builds are pretty much the meta for SHD farming.
setup a Hotshot build, and go farm CP's on Heroic with as many Directives as you can.

For bonus points: do it during either a bonus xp weekend (3x and 5x coming up again this next Season), and/or during Apparel/Global Events.

[wide dove]

perhaps i can try a lesser headshot build using sb+headshot-dmg-attribute + bighorn in the interim?

[dull ermine]

The new exotic holster… how does it work? Weapon slot 1 gets the first buff then swapping to slot 2 gets buff 2?

Or do you get both buffs in 1 swap ?

[restive python]

Testing something with rifles in anticipation of the new TU. This or an Aces build?

[marsh river]

im not an expert around here but i definitely think u should check hotshot build like riven said. its in my opinion quite broken and overpowered if u can make it to work. it even works on group heroic content, anything that doesnt have armor and has a head u can oneshot. i dont remember exactly what the health threshold is on grouped elites heroic but i think around 22 mill , and if ur dmg is above that u will oneshot everything.. look at this example i just done a capture point with 4 directives. its the most free farm build i have ever seen. even the guys with the shield, u can just straight shoot their shield and it will still count as headshot.. xD the most crutch handhold build in div history imo. but i love it.

i think if u have enough weapon expertise and headshot dmg that ur dmg becomes overkill at some point, at which point u can remove weapon cores and make them blue to give u tankyness instead and u will still oneshot stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIGJQtTh2tA (ignore my taskbar pls 🫡 )

on the note of having enough dmg for oneshot and going for blues. i think if u are playing strictly solo, the health threshhold u need for guaranteed oneshot is much lower, and so u can afford to run with less dmg and more tank build. for example blue core hunters fury and 1886 rifle instead of MMR. ive tried it a bit but i honestly much prefer the hotshot version

one important thing about the determination perk. if u have the headhunter stacks and determination ready, u can oneshot robot dogs, but u need to wait for their death animation to finish and u will hear the "splat" sound as if you killed it with a headshot. this will return a determination bullet to ur next shot so u dont have to restart, but it will clear ur headhunter stack.. hope this helps

[placid latch]

This is the build I use: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPpYzIMMofE

Pretty resilient and you can manage hunter pretty well

You can solo the level 100 on heroic finger in the nose

[marsh river]

ty i will have a look

[placid latch]

The most difficult piece to have are the Imperial kneepad

DZ only

[marsh river]

imperial? the murakami named with armor reg?

[placid latch]

Yeah

[marsh river]

i have only this

[placid latch]

That will do

[marsh river]

and that is imo so bad that it is not worth using

[placid latch]

Trust me, those 1% armor regen does change things

you are at 3.5% armors regen

[marsh river]

forfeit so much in other stats..

[placid latch]

with all blue core, staying in covers get your armor back really fast

You can face tank the marauder without the shield

You don't even need to avoid his bomb

[marsh river]

nice

i just wish mine was rolled crit instead of status

[placid latch]

Or handling

Handling add a nice reload bonus

[marsh river]

they should uncork their head from ass and remove dz only drops

pvp in this game is the most toxic crap

[placid latch]

which is really confortable with Scorpio

If you play well, hit them until they are electrified

reload, wait for them to get out of electrified stat and plummed them again and again

they will kind of perma stun

Chunga wont be able to fire anythings

and Warhound/minitank are manageable

That way, you will really help to kill those hunter on Countdown

while dealing damage

[patent fossil]

You can get the crafting blueprint from descent, although unless you're extremely lucky the farm time will be pretty insane

[marsh river]

the hunters are piece of cake if someone runs foam though

just burst them down with strikers

[placid latch]

Well, you are playing with Rando

don't expect them to run Foam

[marsh river]

i dont think we wipe ever

[placid latch]

You will have the same effect

[marsh river]

always running heroic with randoms and we always win

[placid latch]

but you will not die

and being able to manage on your own

[marsh river]

countdown is overstimated difficulty imo

[placid latch]

Rando are understimated

[marsh river]

the only risk i see there is if u go alone or split off the group with hunters

otherwise its super straight forward

[placid latch]

trust me, I played with complete moron

which would split for exemple ?

Or rush like a bull getting melted by Hunter

dying on his feet

[marsh river]

that almost never happens

certainly not enough that it justifies running a full regen tank

at least in my opinion

[placid latch]

I play Hot shot on countdown

so, i'm not playing that much the tank

I only switch if I see moron player so I can rez them safely and allowing to avoid a screw up

[marsh river]

then what is this all about lmao

[placid latch]

So I do end up playing that tanky build

But I'm also the stupid guy that play Hot Shot on leg solo

[marsh river]

hotshot dont work on countdown

u have to be really aggro to get the last hit headshot to build stack when all t he other guys are full striker and killing things in 0.1 sec

and if u failed to start the chain u are just walking around with 0 dps

xD

[placid latch]

I always manage do stack

I need one kill

[marsh river]

do u have a maxed expertise gun?

[placid latch]

Yeah

[marsh river]

so u probably have around 30m dmg

[placid latch]

doing something like 9M first hit

yeah

[marsh river]

its huge

[placid latch]

yeah

So I can run it on countdown

I still need to be carefull though

And with the Handling I can One Shot while running

[marsh river]

u know what would be funny. try and make headhunter build with Relic, instead of hotshot. and stack headshot dmg + critical damage. since u have a guaranteed critical headshot

[placid latch]

Relic doesn't do enough damage

[marsh river]

i have not done the math but i am sure u can make some doozy dmg with that

yeah base dmg is low but ..

[placid latch]

I test it out

you don't stack enough damage

[marsh river]

oki

[placid latch]

But being able to run, not aim and just put your mousse and enemie and shot is really nice

You still do your headshot while running

and With determined, you just need to hit on the body

And hunter don't like getting 30M

kind of simplify the fight

[marsh river]

im contemplating if this is worth investing resource for expertise

since sr1 nerf soon, it might be one of the better

[placid latch]

Actually, wait for nerf to happen

[marsh river]

natural god roll..

[urban latch]

You can just wait for the update since things aren't final yet

[marsh river]

and its better than the sr1 i have anyway

[placid latch]

It's possible that the nerf won't change much

[placid latch]

The advantage of the SR-1 is the number of bullet and the reloading

[marsh river]

yeah i know, but its fine. i think the m700 is good enough

[worn mango]

Aesthetics > functionality

[marsh river]

its not like i can upgrade anything now anyway 😳

[worn mango]

Sexy guns are just better

[marsh river]

poverty is real

[placid latch]

I love the sound of the M700 though

[worn mango]

Damn, you broke

I usually put stuff up to expertise 12 now at least if I like it

[marsh river]

why is 12 a magic number for you?

[worn mango]

Don't need to use exotic components until 13

[marsh river]

diminishing returns kick in?

ooh.

[worn mango]

Yeah, not until I'm sure I can use it for a long time essentially

So I'm just hoarding exo parts

[marsh river]

how much components u need for max?

exotic*

[worn mango]

I actually don't know the math on it

12 to 25 is apparently 46 components

Well now I'm seeing 49 lol

It's a lot, so that's why I stop at 12 to not use any

Right now I have 120 though

[restive python]

Thoughts?

[magic pilot]

Mid it has ninja bike

[worn mango]

Has there been anything to leverage Ninja or is it just a gimmick?

[restive python]

Dam

[placid latch]

Unless you need brand bonus/gear set

[worn mango]

I just feel between any backpack talent or Momento it's just useless

[placid latch]

the main problem with Nijabick backpack is that backpack talent are super powerfull

[worn mango]

Yeah exactly

[placid latch]

Memento, Vigilence, skill build talent

all of them help you a lot and most of the time brand doesn't compensate for that

[worn mango]

Wicked, Opportunistic, Bloodsucker, Adrenaline Rush

That's just off the top of my head lol

[placid latch]

yeah

I just didn't bother to tell all

[worn mango]

Unless there was a 2nd or 3rd tier that was absolutely broken that you could leverage with Ninja I just don't see the value

[placid latch]

The point with Ninjabike is core

So you can run a build with a lot of core

[hazy steeple]

Memento has the same cores, and has an actually good Talent.

the long buff for Memento alone is worth it a lot of the time.

[worn mango]

I like the idea of Ninja but you lose too much damage

If it maybe had passives for weapon damage, skill damage, whatever, might be better

[hazy steeple]

Basically, NBB is designed for div1 where it makes more sense, it just doesn't translate well into div2.

[worn mango]

Oh yeah? I never played D1

[placid latch]

well Ninjabike + Picaro basically

You get a lot of core for really cheap

[hazy steeple]

Picaros is kind of another newb trap, to an extent.

Cores are less important than your overall stats+buffs.

[worn mango]

I agree with that

[hazy steeple]

It's why something like Fenris is rarely recommended, as it only scales off base weapon damage, before cores are calculated.

So 10% becomes about 2-3%.

[restive python]

Well, i do choose Ninjabike for the extra bonuses. The 3 piece of BP for more headshot damages, extra handling for blistering fast reload, accuracy, rifle damage,...

[hazy steeple]

Just a point: Weapon Handling is a nice secondary stat, but 1% in it is only 1% in each of the 4 stats it provides.
So you need a LOT to get a noticable increase, and that much is going to cut in to your more useful stats.

[placid latch]

eagle grasp give a lot

[hazy steeple]

But all this is kind of redundant, as the biggest issue with NBB is simply that it takes up a Backpack Talent: which is one of the strongest damage sources that we have available.

[urban latch]

It's still like 5-6% tbf

[restive python]

Well, i have a Memento and a The Gift

[hazy steeple]

Well, depending on how many cores of course.

[urban latch]

Right, at 6 red cores it's about 6%

Actually I'm off, it's like 5-4%

[placid latch]

Ninjabike would have been great if not the backpack

[urban latch]

So about in the middle of what we're saying

[placid latch]

mask, holster or kneepad

or glove

[worn mango]

But then you wouldn't be able to do the cores

[placid latch]

It would probably become mandatory though

[hazy steeple]

Kneepad would have to compete against Foxy.

Mask would go against Coyotes.

Holster I can see happening, assuming no Dodge City.

[restive python]

I mean, the extra handling does jump my accuracy and stability from 33 and 48 percent, respectively, to 108 and 93 percent

[hazy steeple]

That would mean that you have 75% WH. Assuming you didn't mod your gun for it of course, which doesn't factor in to what I was saying at all.

[placid latch]

I have actually no build around that back pack even though I found it really cool

[hazy steeple]

and also 45%, so I'm going to assume that this is about a Hotshot build.

so tl;dr Hotshot needs no crit rolls, and not using Vigilance with it means your damage is going to suck.

[magic pilot]

It's an exotic you wouldn't be able to use it anyway lol

[hexed steppe]

max stability is really nice on a sniper setup, but probably wasted on dps /rifle spam build

[placid latch]

On rifle, it can be pretty nice

you don't get the huge recoil

[shut skiff]

Do stat matter over the gun in all red striker build hence - I got two Elmo’s but I have a pretty good lmg rolls on my pestilence and bullet king

[hexed steppe]

youll have to build around pestilence a bit. mainly highend /foxs/contractors/glass/vig

bk probably be ok on striker

[hazy steeple]

....yes that's what the conversation was about.

[restive python]

Uh no #td2-build-advice message

[hazy steeple]

If that's a gearset in the PTS, I physically can not run it.

[restive python]

Live game, but just testing something

[hexed steppe]

i would use glass over oblit for that rifle setup.

[magic pilot]

Yea the slot doesn't matter

So comparing to to coyotes or DCH doesn't make any sense, because every exotic is locked if you have one equipped

You'd compare exotics in slot to named items not other exotics

[hazy steeple]

Okay I need tea, you enjoy whatever that is.

[magic pilot]

I think you just don't realize that this makes no sense

[hazy steeple]

Oh just shush.

[restive python]

Maybe. I'ma go grind for another Zwiadowka chest piece

[urban latch]

He's right though...

[rich cosmos]

Ninja bike backpack should allow you to change one of the cores into a duplicate core

2 skill tiers and a weapon damage for example

[restive python]

So, Memento or Gift?

[worn mango]

If you plan on not getting hit, Gift, if you're running and gunning, Momento

[pure trench]

Actually pesti is pretty strong with he and the tallents you mentioned. Throw in 2 wh for the extra dta

[snow ingot]

Pest getting beeg buff

[indigo adder]

still delta04 i have

cant get in pts like right now

[marsh river]

i want a scottish pestilence. Sir Peshtilensh

what

[marsh river]

i just joined a random group for tidal basin. i play as hotshot build. i was playing really well and kept my stacks up and i was oneshotting everything left right center. it almost feel like i was duck mom with ducklings tagging along. i expected something like doing well over 60% of the dmg in my team. but at the post battle score board, i did 1.1 dmg and there is a guy with st elmo striker who did 1.5. so my feeling and estimation was way off.. aand even when i am totally slapping with this build, its still doing worse than striker. i think that says alot

u basically cant beat strikers no matter what

[onyx sage]

without actually seeing footage it's hard to say, but it's entirely possible that you actually did beat the striker guy in damage but you overflowed twice, so your 1.1m is actually 1.1m + 2.1b * 2

[marsh river]

wait, really?

[onyx sage]

this is very common in zoo and tidal where your damage is completely loaded in 1 or 2 people

the best way to check is your kill count

if you are killing more than other people, then your damage is way higher than what the screen shows

[marsh river]

so that score board is kinda useless then lol

[onyx sage]

only rely on kill count if you're dps

[gloomy spruce]

Yeah after it reaches a certain level the damage becomes negative, right? I have had that happen to me a few times.

[onyx sage]

not even that. you'll come back to positive again

in zoo and tidal it's just due to the sheer number of more ads they added to these 2 legendaries

[gloomy spruce]

So it is a different bug?

Just for those missions?

[marsh river]

i honestly have played the game enough to be able to confidently determine which player in the team is doing most of the work.. its not that complicated.. when there's 10 elites t hat spawn, and i oneshot 9 of them bymyself from full health, that is simple math.. so i will say i found it extremely surprising that the striker surpassed me in dmg on the board

[onyx sage]

so you get this dude who kills like 150 people but "only" did 300mil damage 💀

the damage number goes above 2.1b flips back to negative, then if they deal 2.1b more they'll go back to positive

[gloomy spruce]

That is crazy. They have no plan to fix this do they?

People will get star kills, and even star damage but it will read 300m

[onyx sage]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

for now just rely on kill count as the best metric for this

[placid latch]

I never knew about that

I found some time strange the damage

That explain a lot

[crystal token]

looking to try rifles again in the PTS like the LWM4 and LVOA should i spec headshot for aces or go for crits n stuff

or none of the above LOL

[tulip charm]

Crit

Way too inaccurate to be used for hs imo

[snow ingot]

Negotiators go crazzzzy

[uneven belfry]

A person may be doing lots of damage but not eventually killing the npc. Someone may be killing a lot/doing final blows, but most of the damage could have been done by others in the team.

[crystal token]

funny headshot build im trying in the PTS (ik it's nowhere near meta)

[urban latch]

If your going the ninja route stack all the rifle set bonuses. Hsd from hollowman isn't doing much there

[crystal token]

the funny part is i rolled it all to HSD

but yeah when it comes to live i'll probably just stick with a crit build

and rifle bonuses

[urban latch]

It's good to have your minor attributes as hsd, but for the brandsets you'll benefit more from rifle damage

For headhunter reasons

[crystal token]

so replace punch drunk with like an overlord mask?

[onyx sage]

ye

[rich cosmos]

This is not good

[urban latch]

Nvm I was thinking of a MMR build...

[crystal token]

never said it was LOL

[crystal token]

all good build god it happens to the best of us

[uneven belfry]

You can also have solo fun with momento with 4 pcs aces

[rich cosmos]

Anyways ninja bike backpack rework that lets you change one of the cores into a duplicate core when

[crystal token]

that'd be sick as hell

[dreamy valve]

Damn that LVOA C recoil is something else indeed

[crystal token]

i've stuck to the LWM4 bout to try that next lol

[dreamy valve]

I cant imagine trying to use this with full auto

Im sticking with the MDR myself

[crystal token]

can you show me what build you'll be running i wanna grind for some rifle builds

[dreamy valve]

ill show you once I get home

its basically a high end red build focused on headshots and weapon handling

[rich cosmos]

The trade off is recoil tbf

And rifles have high damage so you are meant to use handling

[dreamy valve]

Im hearing that LVOA recoil still bad even with 80% weapon handling

[rich cosmos]

Maybe need a buff then

[dreamy valve]

yeah, im keeping it just in case they change it

[magic pilot]

2 zwia, fox, ceska, grupo, coyotes

[onyx sage]

build god uses 7 skill tier...

[dreamy valve]

yeah thats what I use

My weapons are MDR and Diamondback

looking forward to the Diamondback buff

[hexed steppe]

move aces to mask and replace knee with foxs would be better

[crystal token]

yeah it does feel a bit better

[hexed steppe]

that should help your first shots with the dttooc. bp or zoo 2pc bonus offer a bit more rifle damage that would help the top end as well. first shots probably most important to buff tho since hh makes top end into nuke anyways

[gloomy spruce]

Here is my attempt at a PTS Aces cowboy build.

The diamond back in the PTS is so strong. It can create chains and keep them going to do very competitive damage.

I have gotten it up to 25m and with an optimized build based around crit damage could take it higher.

The buff on the 1886 is amazing!

[rich lotus]

1886 is good times, too bad they dialed it down since PTR1

I used to use Diamondback as my secondary on my rifle headhunter build but honestly without crit dmg on the build (and it really cant fit any) it was doing like 1 milion more dmg than the regular 1886

[restive python]

I mean, with the right gun and about 50% accuracy, you can consistently make headshots. Or do what i do and combine both. Crit headshots always

[tulip charm]

Combine both crit/headshot and you get mediocre results because you don’t have the space to do both especially on a gearset but thats just me. That’s why there’s a pts to try and test stuff out.

[restive python]

TBF, i run a ninjabike pack and 4 different brands

[tulip charm]

its your build not mine. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[marsh river]

what do you guys think about negotiator's dilemma these days? it cant really compete with striker can it

[woven pewter]

Nego is still usefull in raids for one tap some bosses.

[solar sable]

In certain scenarios it can, it's the second best DPS set

[marsh river]

FI support with perfect opportunistic and striker shield? 🤔 dmg buffs galore

wait, is the survivalist status bonus amplify or multiply?

there's no way striker shield weighs up for the loss of that lol

[rocky rain]

What would be the best weapon talent for a HF/Memento Shotgun build? I want a build not based on headshots.

[waxen pewter]

probably pummel

[rocky rain]

And should I go for the HF chest or is there a better option?

Goal is tier 6 for a strong shield so I use Technician and 3 blues + Memento

[waxen pewter]

if you're looking for survivability then the Zero F is pretty perfect

if you want damage, intimidate should proc fairly consisntently if you're picking up the memento trophies

[rocky rain]

Goal is for solo on Heroic with some directives to 1 shot kill them without being dependent on heads

[marsh river]

determination is ur friend imo

[rocky rain]

Not available on shotguns

[marsh river]

yeah i know but if u wanna run and gun oneshot

headhunter determination is insane

i know u said about not landing headshots, but all u need is 1 to get starting

[hexed steppe]

nego is capable of out-damaging striker in a target rich environment. its also getting buffed soon

striker is best for single target damage and does better in raid/incurrsion/countdown

for me tho, nego is 😍 . for general use i like it a hell of a lot better than striker💯

[hexed steppe]

amp

[rocky rain]

I know and have a good build but missing shots puts you right back. But if you get it to work it’s insane indeed

[marsh river]

thats why run determination so u dont miss..

[marsh river]

look at this.. me with hotshot and oneshotting 130´some enemies.. there is no way i am not top dmg dealer here :D

this score board is 100% scuffed

[devout iris]

any smg build that doesn't require striker gear set?

[hazy steeple]

Hunters Fury is great.

there's a build for it 📌 pinned in this channel > spreadsheet 2 > builds.

[devout iris]

ok? any named gear item i should use on it?

[hazy steeple]

Named Items are not always what you need, the gear/brandset is often much more important.
In this case: if you have a Dark Winter, then next Season it's looking like it's going to be big time buffed, but right now just follow the build I mentioned and you'll do fine in Heroic.

[devout iris]

oh ok cause i was thinking of using chatterbox and apply DTTOC on it for better effectiveness just till next season approaches

[shy willow]

Chatterbox is eating good next season

[hazy steeple]

There's loads of good choices, but if you want the setup for now you can't beat a good high-end non-named mp7 or similar.

[wide dove]

dumb question, is only having 5 blue cores an absolute no-no in pvp builds?

is it a matter of 6 blue cores preventing one shotted or something? i don't get it, new at this

[devout iris]

well iv've seen people use heartbreaker for that bonus armor or using tons of armour in the now dead/ toxic place that we call the DZ

[devout iris]

How so? Is it going to get a buff or?

[shy willow]

Yeah

Being brought in line with the base p90 and attachment buffs iirc

[silent solar]

this is a dumb idea but would a striker yellow core build work for capacitor

[onyx sage]

same here, happens for both zoo and tidal

[magic pilot]

You can run 3/3

The more blues you have the more forgiving getting into a bad spot will be

[rich lotus]

Getting outdamaged by Blackest Bile is crazy

Should consider retirement

[onyx sage]

am already retired

[magic pilot]

Works well as a healer with btsu

[honest moss]

Late to this but also wanna shout out umbra. Works really well with SMGs.

[slender pecan]

havent played in idk how long

is this fine

[versed summit]

It;s fine. I’d recommend checking out the pinned spreadsheet for a better striker build though

[magic pilot]

What is 2pc uzina aok?

@urban latch how do you feel about the catharsis buff?

[honest moss]

If you mean the stat it is 10%. Hope that helps.

UG is 5% TA, 10% AOK and 20% Haz pro

[magic pilot]

Yea couldn't remember

[honest moss]

I feel ya. Had to go to the crafting bench to check lol.

[magic pilot]

Fun fact the uzina 3pc is meta for Hazpro PvP build

[serene hare]

Hopefully this build will not suffer that much with Liberty's nerf.

Also God blessed me with that new chestpiece.

This build already was unkillable, now it's unkillable x2.

[hexed steppe]

No artificer?

[serene hare]

Why would I use it?

[hexed steppe]

Passive shield repair every 10 seconds. Repair that scales with memento stacks. What kind of drone currently?

[serene hare]

I don't need to, my shield is unbreakable, and Liberty basically restores full health with a headshot.

[hexed steppe]

What kind of drone?

[serene hare]

Defender drone, to cover my back.

[hexed steppe]

And it's only unbreakable until you hit an emp

[serene hare]

The only source of damage is the Liberty, which deals 2.2mi per shot on the body.

[serene hare]

Well, just take a cover and wait a few seconds.

[hexed steppe]

Hive with tech spec has faraday if you drop it in time

12m shield with 60% repair ever 10 seconds once memento stacked.
Car doors are fun for sure 💯

[serene hare]

I think I'll keep my build.

My shield basically have 12mi health naturally, and I have bonus defense and damage with the Liberty.

[hexed steppe]

Just cant delete . All good you do you boo 😍

[dreamy valve]

got a similar build but with max PFE

[radiant reef]

max pfe is only really good when you can guarantee your opponents will be elites. I use mine for when ever rogues show up, or floor 100 of summit

[magic pilot]

Countdown heroic it's pretty common

[merry stone]

is rav a top performing rifle or not worth using?

[versed summit]

It’s niche, so mostly the latter

[serene hare]

People mostly use Ravenous to oneshot Raid bosses, I've never seen someone using it anywhere else.

[sullen sun]

Do you use Spotter w HB?

[magic pilot]

HB chest

[versed summit]

Well, tanking the bosses

[dull ermine]

Least that will be easier with it being fully auto 😂

Can stay inside the furnace indefinitely without getting tired 👁️

[lean dune]

any good dps builds that are easy to get

[magic pilot]

Nego, striker, hunters fury

[rocky rain]

Memento backpack, striker mask, holster, knee and gloves, all rolled with blue (armor) and ceska/grupo chest (or Palisade for high survivability) with talent of choice. Weapon and talent of choice. Reach 60% CHC and rest CHD. Specilization Gunner.
Not the highest dps by far but a strong all round and accessible set.

[magic pilot]

I def wouldn't call memento striker a dps build

Especially memento/palisade

[red island]

why the f would you make a dps build with blue core and call it easy to get

especially with exotics

just make normal striker its way simplier and works great

no need to go optimizing

[rocky rain]

Easy, easy…. 2x countdown and you’re done.
It’s my suggestion, ok to disagree. Just wanted to get the person started with an easy build that is safe and does plenty damage for most gameplay.
‘Why the f’…. Really..?

Secondly, instead of reacting to my post, suggest him/her a build instead. Might be more useful.

[crude dome]

What would you use momento for? I have it but genuinely don't know lol

[crude dome]

Based

[worn mango]

Memento is used if you want more survivability and damage if you're able to run around and sustain the stacks from grabbing what drops from enemies. Solo friendly bag if your build also doesn't revolve around a backpack talent

Or if there's another exotic that's better to build around like a Coyote's Mask, Dodge City Holster, Vile, Catharsis

[red island]

i did countdown like 30 times i still havent dropped memento, so i wouldnt just disagree with you

[red island]

i did just that, just under

playing striker without backpack, especially with blue core thats trolling

you're litterally losing 33% of your entire dps

[tulip charm]

Personally if you're gonna run memento you shouldn't run more than 2 blues (excluding memento itself) on Striker. Memento already gives so much survivability by itself.

[red island]

yeah if you really want armor just get picaro its fine

[worn mango]

I'm seeing people now use Chatterbox on PTS with Hunter's Fury and commentors blown away by the RPM. I swear people can't comprehend a patch note and deduce things themselves

Chatterbox getting a potential 1913 RPM is nutty

[red island]

chatterbox was always good if you could proc a good passive

the problem was always the same : procing a good passive is hard af and usually not worth it

[worn mango]

Absolutely. But between the extra 5% reload per enemy and it going from 700 to 850 is a good change

[red island]

at least on heroic

cause rpm isnt the issue, its the damage

[worn mango]

I think it's good for open world but probably not missions where you want consistency

[red island]

yeah for open world its fine

for some speedrun too

but thats about it

[worn mango]

Yeah. It also got a damage nerf, but a reload and range buff too

[red island]

yeah but the damage is jsut too bad

any tank will destroy your streak

any shield user too

[worn mango]

But with that all out talent it might go brr cause you're in close range all the time

Once again thinking open world only

[red island]

open world its fine cause enemies are just easier to deal with

nobody is thinking about that

[hexed steppe]

I wonder is anyone has tested that chatter rof with oxi spam

[red island]

if you can run it only open world its just a bad build

[worn mango]

Oh shit lol

2.25x RPM on oxi lol

I wouldn't say bad, just limited. I know I always want different stuff in open world other than what's strong or easy

I think Chatterbox will be fun at minimum

[red island]

yeah, fun i can believe

[worn mango]

I do wonder in a messed up world you could use magazine size buffs on the chatterbox just to keep that buff almost always up if you can get a 4-5x

Probably not worth the damage loss but nonetheless interesting thought

[hexed steppe]

Maybe next golden bullet after the buff drops I'll have to go a spammin 🍻

[worn mango]

lol

What does GB even do? I've seen the buffs you get

[hexed steppe]

Refills on kill, more handling

[worn mango]

I meant for tangible buffs

I know you go brr but that's it

[hexed steppe]

Refills oxi on kill

[worn mango]

And oxi spam can be nutty huh. I've never messed with it

[hexed steppe]

Used to use it for floor 10 farming. With the gb+chatter buff you could lay 20 oxi on the spawn door really fast

It was over kill tho. Only really needed 4-6 oxi to clear the floor in 30sec

Very comical tho

[worn mango]

At minimum that's comical fun for sure

[worn mango]

Small W, but finally have 3x 12% CHD mods

[versed summit]

Feels nice

[worn mango]

It's just one of those tick boxes that you love to have done finally

Now just needs HSD, CHC and PFE

[radiant reef]

I've been playing div 2 for quite some time, and only pulled 3 13% PFE mods - arguably the hardest to find

[magic pilot]

I'm 6700 shd total and have 1

[hexed steppe]

6800+ hrs and only have 2 13% pfe

good thing its only a flex thing and you can hit cap with 12% pfe mods

[onyx sage]

just play more legendary to get more

[hexed steppe]

no you

you carry me and ill get more 😎

[onyx sage]

but you never asked... 😦

[hexed steppe]

tbh, i rarely even do legs. didnt realize it till i was in, but ended up in dua leg a couple days ago as a friend invite and the mortar build did not disappoint. thought i was gonna be dead with perfect glass 😆

[onyx sage]

kaboom

[hexed steppe]

fr, ik dua probably the easiest tho

[onyx sage]

try capitol hehe

[hexed steppe]

oh god

[onyx sage]

once you get inside the building (or even the first stage when the spawn comes out) it should do pretty good

[outer relic]

Hello. I just get 40 lvl and finished WONY. Any beginner friendly build? And easy to get?

[solar sable]

Usually:
Get used to the 📌 Spreadsheet
Second, try to get a Striker's build. Challenging Countdown Targeted Loot on what you're looking for → Striker's Battlegear/Masks/Ceska Vyroba → Talent: Obliterate. Everything in your gear should be Crit Chance (CHC) and Crit DMG (CHD).
Weapons → (AR Targ. Loot) → St. Elmo's Engine/F2000/Famas. With any of the following talents → Strained/Optimist. And the following third attribute → DMG to Target out of Cover (DTOC).

IF you don't want to run Countdown

Any missions or LZ activity that has any TL of the above ↑

[marsh river]

does it work to use ravenous with negotiator or weird interaction?

and as for leveling proficiency on skills.. is it enough to just have it equipped or do i need to use it as well?

[tulip charm]

No clue on the first question but for the second one you can just have it equipped to count

[snow ingot]

I think what you are asking is will the effect of the primers activate on every enemy hit by negotiators. I’m going to guess no, but the damage would work as normal

Could be wrong

[fresh fox]

depends what you use rav for

if you are using rav to stack blue primers so you can use the buff to destroy an armor plate to transfer all the damage done to that plate it’s neat

i don’t think it has any weird interactions with the red primers though

[lean dune]

any good striker dps builds that are easy to get and any guns recommended

[hexed steppe]

Check the pinned spreadsheet in this channel. The builds have detailed breakdowns and will have suggested weapons/attributes for best results

[worn mango]

Intimidate/Adrenaline Rush Hunters Fury is some good fun with a shotty

[lean dune]

Prefer the assault rifles with dmrs

Or the smgs with dmrs

[fresh fox]

dmrs aren’t used in striker builds

the only one i can think of would be ravenous but that’s for other reasons

it also maintains stacks fairly well

[hazy steeple]

Okay let's stick with the ingame gun terms, especially since we already have Marksman Rifles ingame.

[fresh fox]

so that’s cool

gotcha

[lean dune]

Nothing on the spreadsheet all blank for me

[hexed steppe]

Hub (builds) ,
Each build row has a link at the end.
Spreadsheet is working, try link on different device ig

[snow ingot]

Everyone caps chc at 60. If I have 60 and proc vindictive is it 75 or still really 60.

[fresh fox]

60

[snow ingot]

Dam

[lean dune]

I have no idea where I’m looking on the spreadsheet

[ashen atlas]

I’ll send it to you

[snow ingot]

Build hub->standard dps->strikers build-> Evernote link.
Or racer got it

Strongly recommend using google sheets app if on mobile. Web is a nightmare to navigate

[lean dune]

No phone storage left 💀

[snow ingot]

Riiip

[honest moss]

Would there be any direct benefits to getting a huge mag size? And i mean like full stacking on it not just 15% ect, if anyone can answer ty.

[rich cosmos]

Mag size stat isn’t very good

Mag size attachments are

[red island]

mag size on bullet king is op, trust me

[honest moss]

So say, even a small boost is better on something else? Was using the eagle's grasp for a little mag size and handling boosts.

[fresh fox]

no

[red island]

but yeah mag size stats are bad, they make you lose ton of dps

[magic pilot]

Total mag dmg sadly isn't as useful as burst or sustain dps.

[honest moss]

Okay got it, thanks all!

[magic pilot]

Although it's important to remember dps doesn't matter if you can't hit the enemies

[red island]

thats why i dont

i focus on hitting decoys

especially my own

cause im a cracked gamer like that

[honest moss]

I mostly play support builds. So working on some red focused builds and learning to pvp. But i got a lot of items to farm for. GL take care all

[onyx sage]

the reason is because it increases your damage per mag but doesn't increase your burst dps (it actually decreases it), and this game favors burst dps aka killing the target faster

[honest moss]

I see, i actually think this is why some of my dps builds were garbage. I need to focus on burst not sustain

[red island]

yeah, we aint killing world bosses like in wow, that take 3h to die, we kill stuff fast

[honest moss]

Thanks for all the help and advice, much appreciated.

[magic pilot]

Shush I do that in PvP occasionally 😳

[worn mango]

White Death is a world drop for MMR's, correct? I've done 20 countdown runs and not a single one lol

Just need one for next season but might just stick with one of the other ones lol

[red island]

did you target loot mmr ?

[worn mango]

Yeah. Funny enough I just checked just in case lol

But yeah, getting tons of Relic, M700, etc.

I'm actually a bit mind boggled because it feels like a prank

I'm filling out my mmr library anyway so I don't mind the extra stuff but it's just funny that I haven't seena single one

[red island]

yeah, unlucky i guess

[marsh river]

idk if approp for build advice or no but i need some solid input.. i never realized i need to level expertise in all kinds of stuff to increase my expertise level so i can get high level prof on certain items.. so i am in a bit of a rotten scenario where i have almost nothing leveld up.. soo many pieces and sets that are low exp. i know how i get exp and what but it seems like an incredibly tedious task to wear "bad" or unfun builds on missions and countdown etc just to level it up.. any thoughts on that, or if i am simply better off just donating filaments or whatever?

this is the most rotten system in the game imo

[solar sable]

You don't really need to use the gear for Expertise, you can just run countdown and donate everything you get to Expertise

Plus, expertise is not as necessary as you may think

[snow ingot]

Where do you donate to expertise?

[marsh river]

ah. that makes it easier

can you donate for example sokolov to increase anything other than sokolov?

or does each piece only contribute to its respective type/set?

[red island]

no, you need to deconstruct it then give materials for the other item

getting lvls in expertise is easy at first, it get way harder when you gonna need exotic and named items expertize

and skills

[worn mango]

If it's not for a build or a good roll, I've donated everything to expertise. Then swapping in named weapons or exotics is the easiest way to passively level them

[onyx sage]

this is the case, but you also can just donate other materials like printer filament instead. this is the most generic and fastest way to level expertise for a brand

[red island]

remember to ALWAYS fill out your library first

when you get a max roll, you need to check if your library doesnt have it

[worn mango]

Mark everything for junk, check library to see where you can max a roll, if you cannot, donate it to expertise

[marsh river]

my library was maxed before expertise even existed in the game but thanks

[solar sable]

yup, even if it's in the secondary weapon slot, it'll still level up, same happens with skills

[worn mango]

Yeah, use a good build to level other stuff

[red island]

yeah, place skills you never use to farm them

[worn mango]

Also, who knew face tanking hunters would yield the most damage you've ever done in Countdown

[magic pilot]

I always kept my exotic slot open in countdown for expertise leveling and always had a pistol equipped that wasn't proficient

Same for skills

Almost all the gear is easy to lvl by donation

[marsh river]

ty for the donate junk advice btw

[marsh river]

and this is incorrect info

or formulated in a confusing way perhaps

[red island]

wym

it is correct, you cant upgrade another item with the wrong one

its only donating the item, using the item, or mats

[worn mango]

If you were all done say with Contractors Gloves, you can deconstruct them for materials and use the raw materials as donation as well. But the only thing you should ideally donate as material is printer filaments

[red island]

its good to give both, printer filament is only more efficient if you buy mods to deconstruct or if you use scav points

[marsh river]

it was confusing cause my question was in 2 parts and i saw you respond to the first part :D

[red island]

i replied to the message only i quoted lol x)

[shut skiff]

Are yall gonna update the spreadsheets now that we have the patch notes or only after the patch is implemented

[urban latch]

We've only got patch notes for the second pts that was this weekend. The final notes aren't out yet

[shut skiff]

Got it

[magic pilot]

I will for the pvp guide

Not sure about the other ones

[worn mango]

For the most part builds will still be somewhat the same

There might just be better in slot weapons and some other builds being 'closer' to the meta

[magic pilot]

OD and Nego might change a little bit

I'd argue that killer is really strong atm

[worn mango]

OD for sure just between the chest and sadist

[urban latch]

It seems like it will go live, but the buff it's getting seems nuts to me

[worn mango]

You'd have to think 70% would have been fine lol

At least for perfect

90 seems overkill

[onyx sage]

sponsor me to update the hh guide

i have to retest stuff now

[worn mango]

I'll pay you in twinkies and coors light

[magic pilot]

I agree

I guess it's to offset the crit changes they made?

[worn mango]

But the only big crit change is 2% lol

And then damage being normalized to chance

[magic pilot]

Yea I'm not sure why they did that

[worn mango]

Because now Ceska is 'worth' more than Grupo

[urban latch]

It's basically just making the dark winter the new ouro, right after the minor nerf to ouro

[worn mango]

At 6.5/13 it was perfect but also overkill.

But then with Ceska being 8, they'd never make Grupo 16

[magic pilot]

Yea tbh I liked it better like that

[worn mango]

Yeah it was seemingly balanced

[vestal ibex]

You gonna make a good guide that explaines it in a way the noobs understand?

[worn mango]

I'll pay you not to do this

gatekeeeeeeeeep

[onyx sage]

i'll be sure to cross out determined

[worn mango]

strikethrough and underlined

[vestal ibex]

I feel like if I could really popularize it maybe they'll think about a nerf or fix?

[magic pilot]

Chatterbox meta?

[worn mango]

For CP maybe lol

I think it'll be fun but situational

1913 RPM though is hella fun

[magic pilot]

2 stacks is more dps than ouro

Also striker is dead in pve imo

HB does more dps not including a weapon talent (flatline)

Unless you are running striker chest

[worn mango]

I feel like each of them being displaced by 10% isn't enough to make striker worse

But I'd have to see the math

Displaced in both directions I should say

[vestal ibex]

Really it'll be close enough.

[magic pilot]

HB is more dmg and free bonus armor ie vigi is active basically all the time

[hazy steeple]

I feel this part is pretty important here.

are you not counting a Weapon Talent at all for Striker?

[magic pilot]

Elmo

[vestal ibex]

HB just has some issues that'll make it feel worse for no reason(the not stacking on skill proxies/being locked to tech for LLP if you want reliable stacks) so imo I don't think it'll be that crazy.

[magic pilot]

Yea the stacking issues are big

[urban latch]

I think it's already out, but the striker nerf (even as minor as it is) will likely cause casual players to move to the next "meta build", which will probably be determined HH.

[worn mango]

I think casuals would have a hard time with that

[vestal ibex]

That first headshot kills them.

[worn mango]

Striker is point and shoot. Determined is still situational

[vestal ibex]

Then they don't understand HH or what procs/drops what and when.

[magic pilot]

Doesn't it end up around a 9% nerf?

I don't understand why capacitor got a buff tbh

Getting DtooC was already huge and the crit mods

[hazy steeple]

Why Elmo?

[magic pilot]

That's the standard gun for striker

M4 was used for the HB side, so same base stats

[hazy steeple]

No I mean, why Elmo over something better?

Elmo may be "standard", but we're talking meta DPS, not "what you can get without much effort"

[magic pilot]

It's a baseline? It doesn't really matter what gun was used to test as long as it's consistent

[hazy steeple]

So pick an objectively worse gun for the build and it's not as strong?

[magic pilot]

It's the same for both?

[hazy steeple]

I'm asking about meta builds, not baseline setups.

[magic pilot]

Ok HB is still stronger lol

[hazy steeple]

Yes I'm asking what the testing used for both is.

[magic pilot]

I just told you

Are we having the same conversation?

[hazy steeple]

So you're using Elmo for Strikers and an equally bad gun for HB?

[magic pilot]

^

[hazy steeple]

But that leaves out a damage Talent for Strikers, since Elmo effectively doesn't have one.

[magic pilot]

....

[hazy steeple]

whereas HB does have one.

[magic pilot]

Yes, HB was done with no weapon talent as well

I just said this?

That's the first message you responded to

[hazy steeple]

And I said I was asking about meta builds for both.

not baseline tests.

[magic pilot]

That depends entirely on what you are doing with striker

I would say there is 3 main meta striker builds

[hazy steeple]

headshooty, crit shooty, and uh.

crit shooty but worse?

[magic pilot]

Chest and not chest so yes🤣

[hazy steeple]

Ooookay that's where I was confused I think.
So what would the absolute peak meta build be, assuming nothing changed from Phase 2?

[urban latch]

For what?

[magic pilot]

If you are doing headshot or non striker chest HB is stronger iirc but if you are using striker chest it's still stronger

[hazy steeple]

shooting things.

Okay cheers yeah that's what I thought. If you went Striker chest though, what are you replacing that used to be high-end/exotic?

[magic pilot]

For the gun?

[hazy steeple]

Preferrably for the gear, the gun I can just imagine you pick whatever AR can hit things hard.

or possibly DW these days.

[magic pilot]

Coyotes/ceska still

[hazy steeple]

I suppose Fox replacing Ceska would be Elmo only? It feels like there wouldn't be enough CHC rolls without it.

[magic pilot]

Even then I'd use ceska

[hazy steeple]

I guess if you really, really need the attribute slot.

ta.

[magic pilot]

HB I'd run coyotes and ceska vigi bp

If you main an LMG there's an argument for contractors over coyotes

[sullen python]

Returning player questions: farmed a chest piece yesterday. Got it, tried to change the talent but couldn't. Why? When I eventually crafted the chest piece, I can change it. Why not when I farm it?

[worn mango]

Had you changed the core or the passive rolls?

[sullen python]

No

[sullen python]

Same thing happens with weapons most of the time. Very odd. I figured it was just bad luck but I'm starting to think the game hates me.

[worn mango]

What are you trying to do? What does it say when you go to tinker it?

[sullen python]

I got a chest piece I was farming. It even came with the attributes I was looking for so. When I go to tinker with it, the talent section is unavailable. The other stats can be adjusted but but not the talent. Same with weapons. I rarely have the option to change the talent so I've just lived with it. But ALL the videos I watch say I can change the talent.

[worn mango]

And you have level 40 talents unlocked?

Also might be worth asking in #ask-td2-community just in case

[sullen python]

On chest pieces, all of them are available. I'll ask that community.

[magic pilot]

I'd send a pic

[worn mango]

Yeah, put a picture in there hovered over the talent with the whole screen available

[sullen python]

@magic pilot @worn mango I'll do it when I get home this evening. I should have taken a video of it last night but quit out of frustration.

[worn mango]

@magic pilot there's my math on if updates go through, some potential guesses on reload speed with both builds

Nearly matching crit chance, both leveraging Coyote, Kingbreaker using laser and maximizing everything else, with no expertise involved for all weapon damage

And then know if anything other than Kingbreaker, you'll lose a ton of base damage, gain on RPM but also lose on perfect flatline

[magic pilot]

Solid work

[worn mango]

Much appreciated. I had to come up with my own calc just to make it easier for myself lol

[rocky rain]

Do know you can’t change talents on named items.

[worn mango]

That's good comms, didn't consider named items

[sullen python]

I did not know that. Makes sense now. Thanks.

[fresh fox]

smh

[sullen python]

Another returning player question I think I know the answer to but can't find it: I no longer get blueprints from CP's. Is this because those that I'm missing were during previous seasons I've missed?

[onyx sage]

it means that you've earned all the blueprints you can from CPs, and the rest are either from named items (descent), from past seasons, or from some projects you have to complete

[rocky rain]

In part. You probably already have all the blueprint that Cassie sells. The more high-end prints you can buy with Descent money or sometimes in cashes. #isthiscorrect?

[onyx sage]

descent only gives named item blueprints

so something like striker blueprint is forever locked because you didn't play during season 1 or its rerun

[magic pilot]

First part is wrong

Cassie sells recalibration blueprints and some blueprints for mods

The control point blueprint pool is attachments, brands and a few gearsets and named items

[rocky rain]

BP from past seasons are not to be collected anymore?

[magic pilot]

Descent is named items only

[onyx sage]

nope

[magic pilot]

You need season reruns

[onyx sage]

unless devs make exceptions by putting them in CP chests or something

they have put some in those

[magic pilot]

Hopefully, otherwise you have to wait another year for this content cycle to end, and that's only if they don't add more seasons

[rocky rain]

Is that legacy manhunts?

[sullen python]

Bummer but makes sense. Devs wanna keep us grinding.

[magic pilot]

The only ones they added were ones that were bugged during the seasonal release

[onyx sage]

no. full season rerun

[magic pilot]

No, eventually they will have repeated old seasons

[rocky rain]

I really didn’t know. Annoying

[magic pilot]

Yea it is

[sullen python]

Guess I'm stuck at 350-ish out of whatever the max is.

[magic pilot]

Particularly for belstone, and hunters fury

[onyx sage]

where is my backbone bp massive

[magic pilot]

If it makes you feel better I've seen like 4 people with every blueprint

[magic pilot]

Yea for real

[sullen python]

Kamikazevondoom...ugh...that's what got me thinking about it.

[magic pilot]

He has all of them?

[rocky rain]

Get them from countdown

The gear, not the BP

[magic pilot]

Well yea but crafting is way easier

[magic pilot]

He can do something right!

[rocky rain]

But generally the quality is lower

[magic pilot]

Doesn't matter when I have endless mats lol

[rocky rain]

You maybe

😜

[sullen python]

@magic pilot Must be nice

[wise swallow]

is there any new KVD lore or is it just the normal brain rot content

[magic pilot]

Idk I blocked him on YT

[wise swallow]

💀

why lol

[magic pilot]

Kept seeing 55 minute videos of him talking about how his armor regen system corrupt build is the best PvP build because it's like playing as a hunter

[fresh fox]

he’s not good at the game and he’s annoying as shit

his builds suck

his content sucks

[wise swallow]

im aware of that part

[fresh fox]

he’s lame as hell

#fuckkvd

[fair dragon]

The best thing we can do for humanity is not mention kvd at all

[worn mango]

@magic pilot figured since it's been mentioned, here's that comparison with also an OD build. The amp damage just goes insane

OD go brrrtttt

Using FAMAS allows you to get 51/141 CHC/CHD as well for more damage since it gets the extra attachment and higher rpm now too

[magic pilot]

I go with carnage rolled with chc

[worn mango]

Carnage is NEGEV yeah?

[magic pilot]

Yep

[worn mango]

I think I accounted for everything

Hold on, I did not lol

There we go, surprisingly lower

But it's consistent since there's no armour/health variation

I think I'd still rather run an AR because then you're still opened up to use a shield if need be and you don't have the accuracy/stability shenanigans

[magic pilot]

Rip carnage

I don't use a shield either

[worn mango]

It's nice having all the chance, but without some type of armor or health damage and that reload it's just not as good

[magic pilot]

How does it do with contractors instead of coyotes?

[worn mango]

Contractors for Coyote?

Wait, that's a yes, obviously lol

Better against armor, slightly worse against health if my math is correct. I took some away from crit damage due to removing mask, added the 8 on armor and added the extra 10 on specific weapon. But now I forget, is Contractors getting a nerf at all?

[magic pilot]

No it's not

[worn mango]

That should be approximately what it's doing then

[rich lotus]

so uhm

would the backpack ever be worth using to go contractors + coyote

[magic pilot]

Nvm lol

[rich lotus]

oh im dumb i thought they were talking about ongoing directive

[magic pilot]

No you are right

No, is the answer

[rich lotus]

yeah id imagine the tick would need to be more than 100% weapon damage to even make it kind of worth it

so that being settled, wicked or vigilance im leaning towards wicked just cause

[worn mango]

Wicked backpack, OD chest with a Sadist weapon once update hits, yes

Vig if you can negate damage but wicked will essentially always be procced

[rich lotus]

i got a godroll carnage in countdown last night

[magic pilot]

Carnage probably not worth sadly

[rich lotus]

!!!!

[magic pilot]

I wish it was, I enjoy it a lot

[worn mango]

A really good AR will just handle better overall

[rich lotus]

still no even with negev buff?!

[worn mango]

It's still an LMG lol

[rich lotus]

it shoots pretty straight as is and those buffed weapon mods

[worn mango]

An extra 10% amp for the handling and clunkiness of an LMG is just not it

In both instances I actually didn't account for the 30% reload speed that OD gives, but that also only helps sustain damage and not burst

And once again, if you wanna use a shield so you're not as squishy, that's impossible with an LMG. If you're at distance, that initial ramp up of stability is rough too

[magic pilot]

They both have it so not necessary tbh

[worn mango]

Yeah exactly, it's a wash

[magic pilot]

How does OD stack against HE?

[rich lotus]

i stopped using shields tbh, decoy all day long

[worn mango]

Haven't done a high end calc at all since there's variants and such. I can cobble one up tomorrow though if you give me an idea of the gear and a weapon

[radiant reef]

Ive been having a lot of fun with this build. Its a bit squishy, but it obliterates the enemy nicely. Also, is there a perfect perpetuation?

[rich lotus]

your numbers for that carnage build look nice though, the burst dps is on par with 200 stack striker (granted with the subpar gr9 i was goofing around with)

[worn mango]

Yeah, the buffs to OD and Sadist is super clutch

I think it's going to be fun with almost any weapon really as long as you're comfortable with it and you're using the chest and more than likely wicked

[rich lotus]

just noticed perpetuation on your rpk, that perfect perpetuation buff is super nice too, gonna make it BiS for eclipse

the buffed perpetuation is better than 40 stack capacitor

[worn mango]

I'd have to do the math, and you would lose some weapon damage if you did it this way, but I've considered perfect wicked. Getting a double crit anarchist's cookbook to re-roll core though would not be fun

And then you'd just need to take away a CHD mod for a CHD you'd lose from not using Ceska

[rich lotus]

im 99% sure i have a CHD/CC red core rerolled cookbook

would that be the way to go?

[worn mango]

Could, but wicked is also still just total weapon damage

What's the perfect version?

[rich lotus]

i dunno logging in now

[magic pilot]

More duration

[rich lotus]

oh yuck thats it?

[magic pilot]

30s it matches perfect trauma

[worn mango]

Oh it's more duration huh, not like you need the uptime. Was hoping it was bigger percentage

[magic pilot]

Nope

[rich lotus]

group/ceska it is then 😛

[magic pilot]

For high end: https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKhAsA2EAGFbUfegXGAnOFDIQKwAcWmVl2ksR9CJlL1y2cowcDrfbuZhGig2-GmB7BoI8WKq0kPBFIipISAOwEB8udj2HsCA3JSnDKIA

[worn mango]

I'll pop that in tomorrow and ping you

[magic pilot]

Sweet thank you

[worn mango]

Fox's is getting a nerf right?

[magic pilot]

Don't think so

[worn mango]

I thought it was that and Picarro

Those patch notes are sadly gone

[magic pilot]

Just picaro

Hollowman got a buff

Probably what you were thinking

[worn mango]

Ah that's what it was

[magic pilot]

Hollowman is 14% now iirc

[worn mango]

And Optimist wasn't getting a change was it?

[magic pilot]

A buff

.5 more per stack?

[rich lotus]

😦

[magic pilot]

This is actually a good piece for PFE build

If you do regen pfe

[worn mango]

2.5% per stack now? I think that's correct

[magic pilot]

Yep

[worn mango]

Yeah, for bleed I don't think status really impacts it

Or not greatly

[magic pilot]

Not noticeable no

Bleed in general does like no dmg to npcs

[worn mango]

Yeah, just something nice to proc

[radiant reef]

While its good, PFE build with adrenalin rush is still best

[magic pilot]

Stinger hive does good dmg in PvP because the initial stinger hit is an "explosion"

[magic pilot]

True, it just depends though.

[radiant reef]

Status impacts all status effects, including bleed.

[worn mango]

Perfect is right now 4%, is it 4.5?

[magic pilot]

Wicked on PFE with Scorpio is pretty common

[rich lotus]

i dunno i think its kind of underrated the artillery turret. granted i dont often play with mortar afficienados to compare but i think 6x status on a high end mortar makes a difference

[radiant reef]

Yeah i did try it, though I found AR + hunter killer worked beautifully.

Its amazing in floor 100 and countdown

[magic pilot]

Believe so

[worn mango]

I'm going back to watch someones recap video of the patch notes since they're now gone lol

[magic pilot]

Unfortunately any dps brand chest with intimidate is stronger than hunter killer

It's kind of useless right now until they change intimidate again

Oh god you said mortar and now local is here

[worn mango]

He's been awoken

[rich lotus]

why is that tho? is it twd and not amp?

[magic pilot]

The increase from the amp doesn't make up for the terrible brand it comes on

[rich lotus]

thats weird cause the airaldi chest is always better

[hexed steppe]

better off specing skill damage/explosive damage (2 yellow grupo, china piece). status good for secondary rolls, but haste lets you get the mortar back in around 10 sec

[rich lotus]

on focus builds

[magic pilot]

The increase is substantial enough to compensate

Although it is super close with perfect focus

[rich lotus]

its 10% more isnt it

[magic pilot]

Believe so

[hexed steppe]

😂 , i was summand

[magic pilot]

It's only like 4-5% more dps with perfect focus

It's pretty close

[rich lotus]

i should have figured youd pop in as soon as mortar was mentioned

we should tryhard in a legendary stronghold sometime to see whose mortar is better

and really make the other 2 guys angry

[magic pilot]

Intimidate is like 43% amp? I'm not sure on the exact number, but it's self mulitplicative

Focus is also TWD

[hexed steppe]

little bit of flex, but im probably the best mortar guy i know. whats your mortar hit for damage when fully stacked cap and procced bag talent?
currently i hit around 10mil, then with oc its around 13mil

[magic pilot]

This guys got max expertise too^

[hexed steppe]

oh yeah, that too 😆

[magic pilot]

Probably does the purple pistol div 1 secret too