td2-build-advice

[marsh river]

patrick wolf 💀

[placid latch]

I have a build I used against hunter

pretty solid over all and are mean to be played on hardcore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPpYzIMMofE

[patent fossil]

Just take a full red striker build, it works against everything. If you really want to run the reduced ammo directive then hotshot will manage against everything except marauder drones.
If you're not fully practiced up at avoiding incoming fire then just add memento and a couple of blue cores to striker. It's a skill worth practicing though.

[wise swallow]

4.3k DMG isnt much

50 more RPM and 5 more CHC and CHD

[atomic trench]

anny other armor pieces with the dmg out cover attribute?

actually this might be good when some rifles get auto

[vestal ibex]

Foxes is already gud tho...

Only foxes has DTTOOC

[atomic trench]

does it get a nerf with tu22?

[vestal ibex]

You'll have to wait for TU22 to come.

The PTS we did have isn't final, nor are any of the other ones we are likely to get.

[serene flare]

I'm not in the PTS, is anything neat happening in there?

[rich lotus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/1fkp3xe/y6s2_pts_phase_1_patch_notes/

[serene flare]

tyty lots of buffs and a few nerfs I can see people getting mad over lol

[hushed gorge]

They didnt mention the dmg nerf in the chart tho

[worn mango]

Well they did because the base gun is being changed

[serene flare]

Dang, sad to see that Sawed-off shotguns are getting a buff, but it doesn't seem to be that big

wow they even nerfed the ROF and reload for whatever reason

[rich lotus]

They’re nerfing the classic Sawed Off with a switch that cheaters use obv 👀

[wise swallow]

they did

[hushed gorge]

Oh

[wise swallow]

unless otherwise stated. exotics follow their normal counterparts

[rich cosmos]

Elmo getting its 70 round mag back is stupid

They caved, the other changes are fine I guess

But going back to the 70 round mag was not the right call

[worn mango]

It outclasses high end mags other than an AUG essentially

AUG being 62 is the closest. Not sure how the burst compares though

[rich cosmos]

Yea they nerfed elmo to compensate for its overuse and the buff they are giving it which they acknowledged, so they decide to rebuff it???

[worn mango]

Well they did take away from crit but still huge mag and damage increase

[vestal ibex]

Elmo doesn't need much of a nerf, it's hardly OP. It's just it helps people with poor aim hit WAY more shots thus gaining damage potential they don't get missing 10-15% more shots.

[rich cosmos]

The problem with elmo is its heavy overuse, the way it is now essentially leaves it in the same spot it has been in since release

[vestal ibex]

It'll still be the "noobs choice award winner" and that's not bad, it wasn't gonna be a exo component with or without the 10 rounds as it's still got a ton of mag damage.

[rich cosmos]

Im upset because why some of these nerf reverts are probably good it feels like we are reverting back all the progress, I mean strikers nerd is getting changed before its even actually been tested by literally anyone

[vestal ibex]

I mean we did have a PTS already, the striker nerfs didn't even feel that bad in it.

[tulip charm]

You know whats funny they caved for elmo and striker but didnt for picaros

[urban latch]

No, the striker nerfs literally weren't active in the pts, only the text had changed rofl

[vestal ibex]

Oh, gg ez

[wise swallow]

I get its a PTS

[urban latch]

Strikers went from getting a 11% nerf at max 200 stacks, to a 7% nerf

[wise swallow]

but like how do you forget to change the variable value

[red island]

there is a ton of them to change, a few not being changed isnt surprising

[vestal ibex]

The list would be pages and pages if we counted up all the mistakes like this...

[urban latch]

And 8% to 5% at 100 stacks

[wise swallow]

yea no its surprising

75% chance that change is literally opening a file deleting a number and typing a new one

that shouldnt get missed lol

[red island]

you'd be surprised when filing an excel sheet

how many rows you're going to miss

[wise swallow]

again i get its a PTS so im not mad about it but its just funny

[red island]

yeah its funny, but its pretty common too

[vestal ibex]

Bra stuff like this makes it to live too...

[wise swallow]

my boss gives a list of shit to change. you go one by one. you shouldnt be missing that lol

[red island]

bruh, when there is 200 changes, you're gonna miss some

thats life

when you go grocery shopping sometimes you forget an item, thats the same

[vestal ibex]

This is why you have systems for large scale things tho.

[red island]

its human

[red island]

even those arent fullproof

[wise swallow]

yea im not getting paid to go the grocery store. im also not sending a group of atleast 10 people to get groceries

[red island]

doesnt matter, its the same, sometimes you jump a line in your list

paid or not, it happen

[rich cosmos]

Ubisoft

[wise swallow]

Messing up a new item is fine, its a PTS thats normal. Forgetting to change a value is not normal in a tech workplace man lol

[red island]

man, have you seen how tech workplaces are ? its incredible there is so few mistakes

[vestal ibex]

He is just gonna keep on with the "it's a human error" I'd just let it go.

[rich cosmos]

Anyways its really really stupid with a couple of these nerf reverts

Its clearly just caving to dislike

[red island]

litterally half of thoses are so bad at it

half the games you play had this error happen

[wise swallow]

I work in one. Ive never made this kind of mistake and not caught it before pushing whatever im pushing

[red island]

riot is a billion dollar company and it happen every few months

[red island]

you arent everyone, good fo you if you dont do mistakes, some arent like you

[rich cosmos]

That sounds pretty bad if its happening consistently

[red island]

like last time they planned on nerfing a champ, it didnt go live cause they forgot to ship the nerf in the patch, tho they had it announced in patch note, and the winrate of that champ decreased cause placebo effect lol

[wise swallow]

the thing is this isnt 1 person making a mistake. Its a senior making the mistake, the junior not catching and the QC level not catching it. its not a 1 person made a mistake type thing, its a everyone involved with the dev team forgot it lol

i miss things and the junior guy underneath me catches it, thats kinda why they exist

some have it the other way around

but same concept

[rich cosmos]

The mistake most certainly happened because the devs don’t playtest, like I straight up refuse to believe the devs have playtesters with some of the new gear they release

[red island]

thats not fullproof tho

you're just reducing the number of occurences

if you're 90% perfect, and you make your buddy 90% perfect go check your work, thats still 1% error rate

[wise swallow]

yes, its not foolproof for say a new item having a broken interaction. thats hard to catch i get that for a PTS. this is changing a single value lol.

[rich cosmos]

Except they aren’t 90% perfect

[red island]

this is not "just" changing a single value, its checking it too

[wise swallow]

this should be caught in pre release, its a basic checklist.

[rich cosmos]

They didn’t check it though thats the whole point

[wise swallow]

ok, I dont know exactly how they have it set up so i am guessing. but it is unironically changing like 1 value maybe 2

[red island]

man, this is basic maths, if you mess up a few times, some of thoses mistakes gonna get caught, but at some point, some mistake gonna go through

especially if you have hundreds or more values to change

the more you have to go through the more mistakes will happen

at some point some of them wont be caught

and we just got one

[rich cosmos]

How does this change the fact that they simply didn’t check it

[wise swallow]

ok, but this just shouldnt happen lol

its not just one. Aegis values are still broken in live and were broken since PTS. this was literally months ago

[red island]

this "shoudnt" happen but life is what it is and it 'will" happen no matter what, no human is perfect

yeah ofc games shouldnt be buggy, yet they are

thats life, we aim to get good enough, not perfect

[rich cosmos]

No human is perfect but when one makes mistakes consistently, you become less professional

[red island]

its not like they messed up the same value over and over

its just a mistake, stuff happen

it becomes a problem when thoses mistakes happen too often

[rich cosmos]

You can’t keep saying “stuff happens” everytime a mistake is made

[magic pilot]

Oh god chat is crazy what happened now

[wise swallow]

im not asking for perfection. im asking for the basics to be done right. which from a full time game studio with money behind it should be done right. theres no "human error" excuse. being able to change a shit ton of values and keep track of those changes is basic game programming.

[red island]

massive doesnt have endless money to hire people

yes human error is an excuse

[rich cosmos]

MSV is changing the striker nerf despite it literally not even being playtested by players

[red island]

look

when i was a mathematician it was litterally my job to do correct calculations

i still did mistakes from time to time

[wise swallow]

if you did 2+5 wrong. youd get fired.

[red island]

nah

[rich cosmos]

Thats because your job was literally to correct mistakes

[red island]

i litterally did 2+2=2 once

[rich cosmos]

[red island]

cause i was on autpilot

sometimes you're just tired, you're not focused, it happen

obviously this mistake was caught

[wise swallow]

if you did 2+5 wrong several times. checked over and still sent whatever those calulation were for to whoever how would your boss feel?

[magic pilot]

How much is the nerf now?

[red island]

you'd be surprised how many mistakes went through

and how many time they came saying "it aint working"

and we had to recheck everything again and again

[wise swallow]

again, its not a 1 person mistake. its a multi level mistake, its several people making the same mistake over and over.

[red island]

its not over and over, its 1 mistake that got through

all other mistakes got caught

you just saw the one that didnt

[wise swallow]

it is over and over. 1 person doesnt make this change then done. its 1 person makes a change, another person checks that this change was made. then another person checks the change was made. then it goes to internal test and still no one catches it. same mistake made several times

[red island]

i litterally explained that to you already

[magic pilot]

There is definitely more errors that will come with the new title update

[red island]

its 1 person making several mistakes

[magic pilot]

Every season something new is broken

[red island]

some of them got caught

etc, until release, and one didnt got caught

[tulip charm]

1 to .9

[hexed steppe]

🍿🥱

[red island]

please read what i write

instead of ignoring it

[magic pilot]

What is even the point lmao

[tulip charm]

They caved xd

[red island]

make striker less op

cause so far it is

[tulip charm]

The funniest thing is that striker wasnt really nerf in pts

[wise swallow]

I give up, if you cant accept that a person with a degree, getting paid money shouldnt make basic mistakes that even a intern wouldnt make then idk what to tell you

[red island]

again, you aint reading

i agree with the shoudnt

[tulip charm]

The backpack was acting as it was 1% instead of .85

[red island]

im telling you life isnt made of "should and shouldnt"

[red island]

instead of .65

but whatever, if you aint reading i aint debating odder

[wise swallow]

I wish everything in life could be justified this way. No boss it was a accident that I destroyed our servers kernal. I typed the command wrong. its alright, thats just life

[tulip charm]

.65 is without backpack the nerf only aplies to the backpack from 1 to .85

[vestal ibex]

#td2-build-advice message

[red island]

not everything, but most of it is, quite litterally

check the last massive outage of windows

[wise swallow]

crowdstrike shouldnt get sued. simple error. everyone should chill out

[red island]

i didnt say shouldnt get sued

why are you making stuff up ?

[wise swallow]

they totally didnt stop the entire world for days. its okay tho thats just life

[red island]

bruh

i guess you dont want to read

thats ok, you aint alone

[wise swallow]

im making it obvious that "oopsie" isnt an excuse

[red island]

i didnt say its an excuse either

[wise swallow]

"im only human" isnt a valid excuse lol

[red island]

but again, you're making stuff up

seems like you enjoy doing that

[vestal ibex]

Odder your love for the DZ is coming out a bit....

[wise swallow]

The urge to use disallowed language

[red island]

disallowed ?

sounds like rogue to me

[vestal ibex]

Maybe it makes more sense that they intentionally didn't do it.

[red island]

i mean if that was intentionnal thats a whole other story

[urban latch]

The most common mistakes are the simplest ones. In this case someone changed the text, but didn't change the actual values. It happens, trust me, I make dumb mistakes at work all the time lol

As far as qa/qc testing, I think it's pretty clear there's just very little going on. Someone probably looked it over, but didn't actually check if the damage numbers in game were changed.

Just saw "text has been updated and matches planned change, we're good"

[wise swallow]

thats not my point. its not 1 person making a mistake. Programmers have several layers for a reason, this is 1 person making a mistake and several others not catching it. which is a joke lol

and its not a once in a while thing. it happens almost every update

[urban latch]

What I'm saying (and this is obvious speculation) is I think your overestimating how many people are actually looking at these changes

It's likely 1 person making the update, one person very quickly looking things over

[wise swallow]

should only take a total of 3 people. if MSV has less then 3 people working on div honestly congrats that they didnt mess more things up

[vestal ibex]

This just in, Raucey works for UBI and sucks at checking line items.

[wise swallow]

all rauceys fault

[urban latch]

Agreed on the second half

[wise swallow]

kill him with hammers

[red island]

even 3 people checking the values will let mistakes pass sometimes

but i said it already

[wise swallow]

I am about 3 seconds from finding your address and dumping milk on your bed

[red island]

try it

i like milk anyway so jokes on you

[wise swallow]

(i am not threating to dox him its a joke mods)

[red island]

xd

help me mods im being threatened with milk !!!!!!!

im lactose intolerant

[wise swallow]

good

[red island]

(maybe idek)

but i still eat a ton of cheese anyway

cause its life

[urban latch]

I think a major cause for these issues is they've got multiple versions of the game they are working on at a single time. It's the primary cause we see an issue pop up, get fixed, then reappear. It's getting fixed in 1 version, but hasn't been carried over to the next that's in the works. A very similar thing may have happened where version 1 they change the text, version 2 they fix the striker value as well, then they release version 1 for the pts while working on version 3. Apply feedback to version 4, and things get missed along the way. That's the real issue with their current system.

[hexed steppe]

Sounds like less of a system and more of a cluster f

[wise swallow]

juggling builds sounds very fun

[red island]

sounds like every workplace i was in

[hexed steppe]

Not surprised

[red island]

efficiency was NOT the goal in thoses

it was about telling us was to do and we werent allowed to complain at all

[hexed steppe]

I'm glad I work alone... messups in my system ends or with lots of dead plants

[red island]

yeah, dem managers were hungry for power man, litterally insane

one of them litterally unclocked some of us without telling us while we were working

we messed him up badly for that

[wise swallow]

my workplace is a cluster f but its small enough that its okay

[red island]

i wish i could do wfh

[wise swallow]

also why they take away our f word privileges

[red island]

sounds way less painful

[red island]

cause too many people abused it it seem

[wise swallow]

the word is said like 100 times in the game, why cant we say it

can get the f word ban right but cant change striker value

[red island]

well the game is also heavily political, yet we cant talk about it either x)

or not in deep at least

and thats also why vc were deleted

[hexed steppe]

It's just a result of weakness.

[wise swallow]

well, I think that had to do with a different f word

[hexed steppe]

Ppl feeling get hurtn yadda yadda

[red island]

i think its more about legal repercussions

[wise swallow]

getting sued over name calling on disocrd

[red island]

its a bit more than name calling

especially when thoses words are banned on most media

for good reason

[vestal ibex]

You can't even quote the game we play....

[hexed steppe]

The problem with social media in general. Back in the day you had to stand on what you said. Repercussions and all.

[red island]

not really

back in the day, kids used to do hard slurs in front of parents/teachers and it wasnt seen as bad

and they werent reprimanded

i would know, i was there

and i paid the price

[wise swallow]

I think all of it is silly, being called X word on the internet will never make me sue someone/report someone to legit authorities

[red island]

its not just once, its everytime, for years

but everytime its somebody different

it just never ends

[hexed steppe]

If you talked shit back in the day you better have been able to back it up is what I'm saying.

Today is way different than then

[red island]

no, you didnt have to, i was beaten pretty bad back in the days, teachers didnt care, parents didnt care, even the cops told me to f off when my eye was nearly poping out

what was the repercussion for that ?

i was 12, they were 14/16

[hexed steppe]

Guess you shouldnt have talked smack

[red island]

i didnt tho

thats my point

[hexed steppe]

Ok good chat

[red island]

i got beaten for being a different skin color

what was i supposed to do ? paint white ?

[wise swallow]

mikey jackson

[red island]

real

back then they had 0 repercussion, im glad im not called a slur every 5min on discord now

[wise swallow]

still dont care

[red island]

you say that cause it ddidnt happen to you for years

you didnt got beaten for years

you didnt got doxxed

[wise swallow]

I grew up in ancient rome fighting in a coliseum. dont assume

[red island]

sure bud

too bad you didnt got internet back then

[hexed steppe]

The thing about internet also, not everyone is honest... nobody reading this had anything to do with anyone else's past.
Being a perpetual victim doesnt real mean much here tbf.

But this is all way off topic for build advice, so I'll be dropping it before Rivens smacks me up

[red island]

trust me i didnt choose to get slurs thrown at me for days on end

i would prefer money instead thrown at me xd

but yeah, back to builds

[pure trench]

Nice build chat...

[rich cosmos]

Its build advice, not seein people asking for advice

[magic pilot]

Favorite Ninjabike backpack builds go!

[wise swallow]

6pc ninjabike

[void marlin]

just came back after 4 years and lucky to get a saint elmos drop in countdown. Is 4 piece striker and a chest with obliterate still good?

[solar sable]

It is, but Oblit and Striker (Elmo's too) are gonna have a slight nerf next season
This does not mean it'll become useless. It'll stay strong.

[void marlin]

Roger that? What skills to roll with?

[solar sable]

Reviver hive and Shield/Pulse

Up to you

[void marlin]

Thanks!

[peak sphinx]

I dont post name but if you are in here..... i tried to help but got ignored

Was during matchmaking DUA legendary

Maybe megabrain found new meta

[livid mesa]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKhAsA2EAGFbUfegXJU0lZxRNStTdoCZwQ45zGzltgBOKEJCZpp3AKydufXs1YiRY0TjBwAHGjYdgAlQlDAEqLT3LZphgzLEHjhlOZNA is this a good backfire?

I wanted to try it out as i left it to rot

[magic pilot]

You want 90% hazpro

[livid mesa]

Almost

How do I achieve it tho

[radiant reef]

Yhaal gear is your first step I believe there

[livid mesa]

There's only one haz protection tho

[hexed steppe]

you can use a second ceska for hazpro as well

can also use bleed resist mods . backfire stacks chd so you probably have some flexibility in the mods . wait till after the rebalance and itll be a bit better, faster stacking

[radiant reef]

Try this

Some of the parts may be hard to get but worth trying for

[livid mesa]

What about using ninjabike

Would be ez to use one ceska instead

[red island]

nbb = i dont even read the rest of the build xd

[rich lotus]

There is literally a save screenshot button 😭

[red island]

yeah that part too

[livid mesa]

Should I use improvised instead

[red island]

tbh the bleed wont be as bad now, so haz pro will be good but not mandatory

[livid mesa]

Tryna get over 150 to 200 crit dmg

[red island]

if you get a short bleed its fine tbh, it wont hurt that much and not for long, so yeah more damage is def possible

[radiant reef]

My work comp doesn’t have discord lol

[livid mesa]

Oh and also a run n' gun build

Except with armor not all damage

[radiant reef]

Why? It’s the most efficient and effective way to do this build.

[livid mesa]

I personally think all red ARs and smgs kinda ass

[red island]

it def isnt, nbb is one of the worst item in the game

i'd take memento anyday over nbb

[livid mesa]

The high chance of getting swallowed in seconds

[rich lotus]

skill issue gang

[radiant reef]

Ok I’ll bite, why do you think that?

[red island]

because backpack talents are the most powerful talents in the game, they heavily outweight a few brand bonuses

[livid mesa]

Sentenced to Public execution in October 30th at 5:30 PM, please attend the totally not so illegal court for your sentence

[rich lotus]

I would love to be executed thank you

[radiant reef]

Ok. I don’t necessarily disagree there but based on the experience I have had in a lot of cases it’s worth the trade off. Certain builds work better with the ninja bike back others don’t. It doesn’t help some builds but others it makes a big difference

[red island]

i still wait to see a build with nbb being more effective than a good talent tbh

[rich lotus]

NBB is gonna be so OP next patch. Think about all the things you can do with 3pc Belstone bonus 🙂

[red island]

especially on a build where hazpro isnt mandatory

like nbb here gives 60 haz pro and 5 weapon damage

thats a lot of hazpro, great, but as i said, its not mandatory, and you have very little damage

[livid mesa]

It'll get buffed??

[rich lotus]

Yes bro it gives 45% Incoming Repairs instead of 40

Crazy stuff

Meanwhile 1pc Ceska was such a threat to society that it gets nerfed to shit

[radiant reef]

Is ceska losing 10% chc?

(I’m not up to date on pts)

[rich lotus]

It’s 6.5 in the PTS

For god knows what reason

[radiant reef]

The new pts is coming. They did say the nerfs are less extreme

[rich lotus]

But 2pc gives 20 Haz Pro now!

Nice yeah maybe they won’t ask Chat GPT to make the changes this time

[magic pilot]

No

[hexed steppe]

nbb not worth. youre already sacrificing damage by using the hazpro. youll want to keep a backpack damage talent

[onyx sage]

you should make 5p improvised build

it unlocks god mode

[radiant reef]

Based on the new pts patch notes looks like ceska is still 6.5% chc as first piece

[rich cosmos]

Someone remind me whats tardigrades talent description?

[rich lotus]

^ so broken for flawless raids!!!1

[rich cosmos]

Man, if only the timeframe was longer than 10 seconds

Even just 15 seconds

[rich lotus]

PvP players: 👿

[rich cosmos]

Pvp isn’t the focus of the game and they can change stats for it specifically

[rich lotus]

Oh no he said it

[rich cosmos]

This is a pve game with pvp tacked on

[rich lotus]

NONONON STOP

you’ll summon THEM

[onyx sage]

why is bro schizo

[rich lotus]

im scared of pvp players

[radiant reef]

What works for pve doesn’t necessarily work for pvp and the reverse is the same as well

[magic pilot]

PvP?

[rich cosmos]

And they can specifically keep changes from going into pvp

But keep them for pve

So when it comes to balancing, pve always comes first

[radiant reef]

As it should. Problem is these changes seem to be more geared to pvp. Which is somewhat annoying

[rich cosmos]

The conversation was about tardigrade

Tardigrade buff when

So close to greatness, 10 seconds of greatness

[livid mesa]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CzC0GZQJm2AZQKYly0C5gE4KgGygCMsUxaqFGArMZAcTCJc+XOoTnfCzxuFbgIxWvSugAcg7iJmp0UYJIRYchKqrzFCeBNuFjZh9Id7HjopOZNwgA

Boys I managed to get to 100%

[rich lotus]

Nice you are resistant to everything now

Except bullets cause those will still 2 shot you

[livid mesa]

Bro @rich lotus

I just saw your pfp

That shit is painful

[shut skiff]

I can’t decide what build to make so many options

[wide dove]

newbie question, is the virginia build still a thing?

[tulip charm]

A normal 1886 is just better because determined exist

[wide dove]

ah

[tacit goblet]

guys uhh is System Corruption Set Good for Dark Zone Solo PVP

[marsh river]

is orouboros still only available in the incursion thing?

[stable pelican]

Yep

[wide dove]

what might be a good talent roll for tommy gun?

[pure trench]

Strained

[magic pilot]

It's ok

[tacit goblet]

is it fun to use tho

[magic pilot]

Yea I think so

IMO it's the hardest thing to farm for

[worn mango]

I didn't even know it was a thing until looking through expertise

[rich cosmos]

Not anymore no

The quickuse armor system completely screwed over the gearset and they patched a bug where it could still use the new quick use kits without the longer cooldown of the gearsets kits

[hexed steppe]

i farmed the pieces out of legacy caches during one of the ge. cba to enter dz for that grind .

[livid mesa]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwdgtAbGAMYEzxk2LlpQLgMzi5MAjGOHEauestnnlEeMMJRSxsFHrAi882+FC68erRmE6IRwqnGAAOJAE5FhAKwqCEIptibu6DFKOHpIwyaMwLpoA i decided to use umbra initiative for this backfire build, is it good?

Trying to get the most crit damage with backfire

[hexed steppe]

youll want to be immune to bleed if using backfire, otherwise youll be slowed down/bled for every reload

youll also want to push crit chance cap (60%) to maximize dps. non crits will be wasted damage

[tacit goblet]

but if you can pull it off is backfire good>

[hexed steppe]

itll be better after the season drops. is it worth it tho, i personally dont think so. to each their own tho. those changes will have better results (immunity/chc maxed)

[livid mesa]

Imagine if it gets reworked

And now enemies bleed if one dies by backfire

Bleed will proc depending on how much damage they gave

[rich cosmos]

ridgeways pride

Backfire doesn’t need a rework, especially with its buff coming

[livid mesa]

The backfire "buff" feels more like a nerf

Now you can't get to absurd levels of crit

[hexed steppe]

so being able to fully stack it in 2 mags instead of 4 is a nerf

[livid mesa]

That's the problem

Less crit damage to it

Due to less stacks on mags

[hexed steppe]

Backfire

Talent:

    Dealing damage to enemies adds a stack of 2% Critical Hit Damage 🟢. Stacks last for 10s and are capped to 100🟢. On Reload, applies a 10s bleed to yourself which deals 0.5% armor damage per stack.

    Before: Dealing damage to enemies adds a stack of 1% Critical Hit Damage. Stacks last for 10s and are capped to 200. On Reload, applies a 10s bleed to yourself which deals 0.5% armor damage per stack.

still 200%

[livid mesa]

Oh ok

[hexed steppe]

its a pretty major buff

[livid mesa]

Guess I'm doing an umbra build with it now

[magic pilot]

It stacks faster which means you get less bleeding

Once you hit max stacks there is no debuff

[livid mesa]

I wonder how our characters smells after bleeding

[hexed steppe]

once its updated you should make your umbra, but also a highend utilizing contractors/foxs if possible. at 300% between the 2 talents (on umbra) you may see a diminishing return.

[nimble pilot]

Help me improve this build

[worn mango]

What are you trying to improve? What type of gameplay are you looking for? What type of weapons are you running? There's not much more you can do with this if you plan on using headhunter/determined unless you're going hotshot which is the superior version to this

[livid mesa]

So both chest and backpack and then coyote and contractor?

[magic pilot]

For umbra just chest

Tbh you basically get no good backpack talent with backfire

[nimble pilot]

I want it to hit harder and one shot on heroic with 1886

Hot shot with a riffle

[worn mango]

4 piece hotshot, chainkiller chest, providence named backpack with perfect vigilence

Everything rolled headshot damage and then crit damage or handling

[nimble pilot]

What’s the named backpack

[worn mango]

The Gift

Vigilance is fine by itself or you get an Airaldi backpack too

[livid mesa]

Vigilance for max stacks

[solar sable]

If you want to hit harder, don't use Breaking Point and memento. Vigi backpack is key when it comes to damage.

Rifles for oneshotting... well 1886 is a great option but if I'm not mistaken you often can't one shot over 15 meters, and that kind of backs you off with (maybe I'm wrong but I see it this way) your survivability.
Yes you can still hit hard, but you can only engage in close encounters and sometimes NPC's run away to take cover and advantage over you.

[worn mango]

Running 1886 is like using a pistol essentially

Then at that point, run a Harvest

[magic pilot]

True

[radiant reef]

Tossing up swapping some things around for a system corruption build. Just trying to fathom out does system corruption + perfectly efficient + firewall actually work together??

[magic pilot]

Firewall won't do anything really, demo for ammo on armor break, technician for linker laser or gunner for aok, faster 3rd reload and ammo regen

What's your last piece and are you going for crit or hsd?

[magic pilot]

@radiant reef

[livid mesa]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKhAsA2EAGFbUfegXMAnOFDIWKJuVudgKxxGoQTBgEVuXaL2Hu8dwB2bhD6iUnOtAaUZo7GDgAONHgLBqahKGAJUOkRzG9sR2SZOzDl8kA is this good for the buff backfire will receive?

[serene flare]

what would be the best pistol to use for a sniper build?

[livid mesa]

Like a one shot build?

If you wanna crowd control regulus

If you wanna go out shooting everywhere and kill everyone D50

[serene flare]

I'm already using an Exotic, so it's gotta be high end

[livid mesa]

What exotic

[serene flare]

Nemesis

[livid mesa]

Oh

D50 then

High damage and etc

[serene flare]

talent?
I'm guessing Determined?

[livid mesa]

Put determined on it and enjoy

[livid mesa]

Correct

[serene flare]

Gocha, glad that I already have one set up for that lmao

[livid mesa]

Oh wow

[serene flare]

Just needs a bit of optimization

[worn mango]

I think the D50 kicks like a mule. The Harvest has more base damage and is very managable

[hazy steeple]

On PC most gun vertical kick (stability) is very much not an issue.

If you pause ever so slightly between your shots, you can learn over time to lessen that delay and eventually you'll be able to John Wick enemies with pretty much any gun. Even on Console.

[hushed latch]

is pistol one shot same build as mmr/rifle one or does the gear change ?

[hazy steeple]

There's a big link to all these builds in the "spreadsheet 2" that's 📌 pinned in this channel.

It's very much worth reading through the guide.

[hushed latch]

oh, thank you !

[serene flare]

General question: why does Backfire even exist?

What's the point of this weapon?
It's got such a massive downside, and I don't even think it's worth building into. It takes ages to get stacks up and the more stacks you have the more it hurts you. Why even bother with that when most high-end SMGs outdamage it?

[hazy steeple]

It's being buffed next Season, but the idea behind the Backfire is that you build into hazpro, which is actually just kinda nice if you're running around, since you'd be surprised at how many Hazard Effects hit you.

[serene flare]

That makes sense, yeah, though as a sniper player I typically just sit far away from anything that could hurt me. I take caution when I'm positioning because any explosion is essentially a death sentence.

[rich cosmos]

Because its massive damage for downside of hurting you

Backfire is about to be very good with its buffs

Its buffs make it an absolutely viable option

[serene flare]

I wasn't aware of the buffs it's getting

[rich cosmos]

Its getting buffs to its mods and its essentially having its talent take half as many hits for the same amount of damage

[serene flare]

Good. The time it took to actually get that damage was the big downside IMO. You need to reload a bunch and take tons of bleed damage before you can even deal high amounts of damage

[rich cosmos]

Just use a hazard protection build

Thats basically the only way to use it

You need at least some hazard protection

[serene flare]

That makes sense, yeah, but then you're really sacrificing your other areas as well

[rich cosmos]

Well, yeah its a trade off

It does a lot of damage

[serene flare]

And hopefully quickly once those buffs hit lol

Doing massive damage is good, but if it takes a year to build it up then it's not as great, especially if you're starting from well below other competing SMGs

[rich cosmos]

Certainly a build of all time

[magic pilot]

Ceska chest, grupo mask imo

[tulip charm]

What’s currently hardest hitting version of mmr hh? 2 habs, bp and hs?

[magic pilot]

Absolutely hardest?

[rich lotus]

probably 2hg, 3 hotshot and sawyers or something equally yuck

[magic pilot]

Contractors, sawyers, 2 habs, walker and airaldi iirc

DTA rolled on nemesis

[tulip charm]

No sawyers since it’s mostly for legendary summit

But then again that does sound good if you’re running with people in it

[rich lotus]

not reloading is far more important than the minimal damage increase from not using 4 piece HS IMO

especially solo legendary summit

you can one tap veterans first shot with model 700 or one tap elites with nemesis first shot, no combination of gear will put you into the next bracket

[magic pilot]

For summit farming I ran it with 4 hotshot

[tulip charm]

I do run it but sometimes I can't one shot elites when they proc ragers consistently with sr1

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shy willow]

How much health does ragers actually give

[tulip charm]

no clue for leg

[onyx sage]

double health

[tulip charm]

yeah

[marsh river]

is st elmo's engine still relevant and worth getting?

[hazy steeple]

Even if the nerf went through at full strength, it was still a very solid AR.
Luckily for you the nerf was heavily scaled back, so it's basically the same.

[marsh river]

okay, im not up to date with whats what , and havent played in quite some time so i have no idea

[hazy steeple]

tl;dr there's a bunch of balance changes coming next Season, if you have div2 on ubi-connect, you can try out the 2nd phase of the PTS.
The release date should be announced via #news-and-announcements

[marsh river]

same question with strikers.. its still the meta dps?

[marsh river]

yeah fair enough but its hard for me to know what the balance changes means when i dont know what the game balance currently is like =P

[solar sable]

Yes, just a slight nerf.

[marsh river]

oki

[marsh river]

so i just target loot AR's for st elmos right? no other sneaky way to grab it?

[pure trench]

Nope. Tl and hope. And ofc open exo caches

[marsh river]

right on

[hazy steeple]

You can buy Exotic Caches from the Countdown vendor, you'll be able to afford one every 2-3 runs. And Countdown itself has TL (Targeted Loot).
Granted, the chances for TL in Countdown are low due to the lack of Directives, but it's a simple quantity vs: quality situation.
(make sure you play Countdown (CD) on Challenging, never go lower, and there's no point in going higher without a dedicated team.)

[marsh river]

yeah i know about countdown.. have farmed it quite a lot

btw, what is it that makes the crosshair close faster on mmr, accuracy or stability?

aim time feels pretty scuffed on sr-1

[solar sable]

accuracy

[marsh river]

ty

[solar sable]

kind of both things make it better

[shy willow]

Accuracy is the bloom stability is the recoil and handling is allat plus reload speed

[hazy steeple]

And swap-speed.

1% in WH (weapon handling) is 1% in each of the 4 stats.

[shy willow]

I keep forgetting about that one

[solar sable]

put a note on your fridge so you'll never forget

[marsh river]

accuracy it is then :D

[solar sable]

yes lol

[marsh river]

im using a determined sr-1 with hotshot headhunter build. its very powerful i feel. everything is a center mass oneshot. buut the accuracy/handling on the sr is kind of scuffed and im not sure if i can do anything else to improve it

(im using a red dot, not a scope)

maybe there are some better guns that i can use

[hazy steeple]

You're in luck! the sr-1 is about to get nerfed.

slightly good timing on your part aside, the way to fix the poor Weapon Handling on MMRs' is, you guessed it, Weapon Handling rolls as your other attribute after HSD.

(also if you get Stability to 100% on MMR's, the crosshair is always where the bullet goes, even when hip-firing. Which can be a fun combo with Hotshot.)

[marsh river]

hmm okay.. interesting. that raises more questions

what'll be the best option for mmr if not sr-1? how am i gonna roll for stability? i'll only have 2 yellows

im guessing a stability build does not use hot shot but rather full yellows

by the way.. getting st elmo was super easy. just go one game on countdown and onetap it from a hunter 🫡 RNG carried 😂

im keeping this right?

[pure trench]

Yes

Good roll

[marsh river]

👍

[pure trench]

So what mmr is gonna be hardest hitting if changes happen?

[placid latch]

It's probably already the hardest hitting

dealing 30 M consistently once stacked.....

[marsh river]

thats not what the question was

[placid latch]

You were thinking the biggest nerf ?

[marsh river]

what..

So what mmr is gonna be hardest hitting if changes happen?

😂

[hazy steeple]

Yeah Darun doesn't know what's going on methinks.
Newest high hitting MMR is likely going to be an M44.

[marsh river]

did someone say previously that hotshot will work for rifles, so 1886? maybe that might be a more viable option then?

[pure trench]

After nerfs which mmr is gonna be top

[marsh river]

if all this is correct - 1886 buffed, sr1 nerfed, and hotshot working for rifles.. sounds like 1886 may be a pretty viable alternative for that type of build

1886 also has the added benefit of not being an MMR so it has inherently way better handling attributes

what does riven think about this

[pure trench]

God bless i have both stashed

[patent fossil]

I think it was aces they changed to work with rifles, not hotshot

[patent fossil]

Probably back to white death, although I haven't gone into enough detail to be certain

Hope it is though, I do like the WD (and have one all expertised up)

[marsh river]

ahh, ok, thats a shame

white death is nice, yeah, but it cant run determined so..

[patent fossil]

Yes it can, the perfect stat it has is headshot damage

[pure trench]

Yeah i have one with determined and dttoc. Hits hard too

[marsh river]

oh whut, i didnt realize

Im still looking through all sorts of different youtubes and builds in the sheet, looking for what is the ideal tank build for solo legendary. the variation from the sources is imense, some are going blue core strikers, some are doing heartbreak, and others high end regen builds etc... and i dont know what to aim for because i have been out of the loop for so long that i cannt use my own knowledge to filter out the cream from the crap. please help :o

[pure trench]

Pretty much all you mentioned works. Just get the builds together, try them and see whats suits your play style best. Most of those builds are easy to farm. High end pfe improvised is a lil bit tricky, but if you have resources you can roll some good pcs

[marsh river]

ive rolled with several of them before and the issue was always the same.. the tank is there but the dps is not

[placid latch]

At higher difficulty, the point is to avoid taking damage

Armor doesn't mean shit

[marsh river]

..no

thats a bad take :D

[pure trench]

Thats how the game works. For legy you have to position and know the environment

[placid latch]

(or it will take you forever to advance)

[magic pilot]

Tanking is definitely frowned upon outside of IH

[marsh river]

frowned upon? LOL
by whom?

[vestal ibex]

Tanking solo legendary is possible with enough time just as skill builds are.

[magic pilot]

Anyone who doesn't want to spend 45 min in a legendary mission

[vestal ibex]

Going into MM for legendary you'll typically be dead weight tho.

[marsh river]

that's nice.. keep frowning.

[magic pilot]

We can run dua and see who does it faster? Tank or dps

[jagged marlin]

Sometimes it's not about doing it faster, it's about sending a message

[magic pilot]

That you have more time to spend playing a tank?

[marsh river]

this chat has a weird tendency to preach instead of advice

question: how do i put together 2+2
answer: nah fam you should buy sneakers instead they are way cooler

okay thats nice cool sneakers but thats not what i asked

[vestal ibex]

"hey guys how do I waste my time" what your actually asking.

[marsh river]

i really appreciate getting help adn advice but when you offer "solution" that is completely in the other end of the spectrum of what i asked for, that is nothing short of irritating

[magic pilot]

I can see how it's irritating the problem is the game balance, when people ask for certain builds they kinda get shown other stuff that works similarly but is also more effective, sadly the general consensus is that a tank is basically always dead weight

[jagged marlin]

Exactly, cause you know, time is money, and that's basically like you have more money to spend

[magic pilot]

So no one is going to recommend the "best tank" because the best tank is running a full red dps with a decoy

[jagged marlin]

The solution to most problems associated with matchmaking is to simply not matchmake into other people's parties, or be the party leader, or play with friends

[magic pilot]

Or blue striker

[magic pilot]

100%

[jagged marlin]

That way, even if someone frowns, nothing they can do

[marsh river]

ill come back later when the trolls are gone

[magic pilot]

Who is trolling??

You genuinely think a tank is useful?

Oh this is the same guy that said regulus sucks

I guess that answers my second question

[shy willow]

Breh

If you wanna use a tank build but also have damage just use HB or striker

If it's not enough damage just trash the blues simple

Can't really have insane damage and also be invincible

[placid latch]

The only blue core build that also allows you to dish decent damage are the full yellow build using crit chance and crit damage

Any way, this is all about were you need to put your survivability

A little more blue core so I can survive a little bit the brunt of the damage so you can regroup

Or all red and playing carefull using the environement to your advantage

[worn mango]

I think scorpio/opportunistic blue with PFE is still decent on DPS but still nowhere near anything red

[placid latch]

Yeah but you are really resiliant

Take more time but more stable too

[shy willow]

PFE is another option but the problem with that is if you get pitted against purple warhounds and minitanks you're gone

Reduced to atoms

[placid latch]

you just need to have some regen

around 3% is enough most of the time

Belstone and imperial kneepad help a lot

I have a build that can face tank warhound/marauder/minitank

You just need to be sure they hit the shield

[magic pilot]

I just really don't see a point when you can solo legendary with full red and no shield

[placid latch]

Not everybody can do that

Character, calmness, being able to properly access the situation, etc

Or just doesn't sit them to stay in cover

[versed summit]

You're right, but honestly it's not worth soloing if you're not taking a DPS build.

[placid latch]

Just being able to achieve it maybe ?

For exemple, I did run all the hunter on solo, heroic

Except, the last group of 4 in WONY (they keep despawning)

There was really no point doing it

Doing it on normal would have been enough

[versed summit]

I'd honestly just look at Toastey's legendary guides, a lot quicker than trying to tank it or use a skill build, but yeah, if all you want is a clear, that's reasonable

[versed summit]

Taco truck? Those guys suck

[placid latch]

yeah

Th epoint was to kill all four

but by the time I killed 3, the last one left

[versed summit]

Rip

[placid latch]

I did it a few time and doing the step before hand a just a pain

So, I was once around their spawning point and saw somebody asking for help

I did jump in

I was lacking a little bit of damage

[versed summit]

What build were you using?

[placid latch]

6 blue core build base on regen armore

and PFE

The point was just that Hunter are bugged

[versed summit]

Yeah tbh I just use blue+crit+PFE, it's a better blend than regen tbh

[placid latch]

I'm using, belstone, imperial kneepad and golan gear for the regen

2 improvised piece

and obviously crit chance + crit damage

But the point was that hunter are bugged

[versed summit]

Rip

[placid latch]

They keep despawning out of nowhere

[magic pilot]

I wouldn't run all red for hunters either, because you know you are only fighting elites, which makes pfe by far the best way to fight hunters

[versed summit]

Probably tired of waiting

[placid latch]

not really

[worn mango]

I get the Oreo burst nerf now. I just did 230M more damage than I've ever done in Countdown lol

[versed summit]

Or just oneshotting them, but four is quite the chore there tbh

[placid latch]

a few time, they were pulled in by npc and I never found it

And the spot is clearly near spawning mob point

I have done it before hot shot build were out

else, I would probably have taken my luck to one shot them

They don't have 30M hp

[shy willow]

open world ones are much weaker than manhunt and countdown

[placid latch]

Yeah but doing it solo on heroic still make the challenge

you still have to take of the brunt of the 4 damages + healing pack at first

[hushed gorge]

Havent logged in div 2 for a while

[shy willow]

why heroic just turn it to normal

[versed summit]

The challenge

[placid latch]

The point was to do it on heroic

and on solo

Just for the achievement

[versed summit]

Tbh I'd do it for the challenge, if they weren't such a pain to spawn lmao

[shy willow]

plz

just go to schaeffer or kelso for that or f100

[placid latch]

I also did Scheaffer and kelso

same for F100

I didn't manage to do it on leg solo the F100

I'm not good enough

[shy willow]

i could not be arsed to spawn the food truck hunters multiple times just to kill them on heroic

too much effort

[placid latch]

I did spawn them around around 15-20 times

[versed summit]

Bruh

Thats like a week of your life

[placid latch]

And after kill 3 and seeing the last one despawing a few time in a row made me say: screw that

[versed summit]

Fair

[placid latch]

I'm not doing it anymore until I saw a group asking for help

So I just jumped in and ripped their ass of

It was on normal and took less than 3 min to do it

I was quite surprised

I was used to the heroic one

And needed to use a few mag of scorpion to kill them

where 1 mag on normal was enough

I didn't even needed to open the shield

On normal they really don't deal that much damage

[atomic trench]

hearthbraker even worth picking over striker?

[versed summit]

Atm no

But possibly in the future

[snow ingot]

I love my heartbreaker set. I don’t use strikers at all anymore lol. Red core heartbreaker. Catharsis and named gr9

[atomic trench]

i have a maxed dare as well

[worn mango]

I gotta try my red HB with Ouro today. Not sure I need the laser to be successful anyway

Could also just use laser on RnR anyway

[atomic trench]

kinda messed up trying striker build and lsot to much optimization materials

[snow ingot]

I don’t use the laser. Shotguns and headshots build enough stacks. And the dps isn’t bad even without stacks

[worn mango]

Yeah exactly

Laser just makes it a bit more friendly is all

[snow ingot]

Troo

[urban latch]

The main thing the laser does is make everything you aim at pulsed. It doesn't matter how many stacks you've built up, if it's not pulse then your getting nothing from HB. The pulse attachment just makes it far more consistent

[magic pilot]

And some enemies don't have heads

[urban latch]

And everyone overestimates the percentage of headshots they hit

[magic pilot]

(9% overall considered pretty good)

[snow ingot]

I just didn’t know about it and now I’m too stubborn. Also making new builds for rank 10 on all the stuffs

[magic pilot]

Upgrading the armor?

[snow ingot]

Maybe?

[worn mango]

HB going to 1.1 instead of 1.3 now

[magic pilot]

It needed that

[worn mango]

Ceska going to 8% instead of 6.5

Grupo staying 13% CHD making Ceska still more valuable

They didn't nuke MP7 as bad anymore too

[atomic trench]

just wanted to be brainless and then found i yeeted my maxed pestilince

[tulip charm]

Just farm a another bro

[worn mango]

Figured I'd update MP7 and see how it stacks up. Using 0.6/0.4 weight for burst/attachments, Vector Tac still looks like it clears but there's some other contenders

[atomic trench]

ya where lmao

[tulip charm]

Idk just farm exotic 🤔

[onyx sage]

lmg targeted

or dz if you really want it

drops a ton

[autumn yacht]

can’t you just craft it?

[tulip charm]

No

[atomic trench]

issue i still stuck at floor 100 for summit

and i resetted that now on accident

[onyx sage]

you can get out and go back and it'll still be at 100

well not after you reset lol

[atomic trench]

nvm i am stupid

[onyx sage]

yeah once you get to 100 you keep the checkpoint lol

[snow ingot]

Any viable place for ridgeways pride or am I just throwing

[worn mango]

You mean a viable build for it?

[tulip charm]

Its just used to proc sadist

But od can consistently do that already

[worn mango]

And OD is going to be better if all changes go through so yeah, I see it as redundant

[snow ingot]

Sigh. Vile it is

Still gonna try it tho.

[urban latch]

Vile on OD or a status build?

[snow ingot]

Probably a status. OD ima use ninja bike kneepads

[urban latch]

Backfire has no synergy with OD fyi

Way better off running sadist instead, especially with the sadist buff

[worn mango]

Yeah right now it's Obliterate chest, Wicked backpack and Sadist on weapon. If update goes through as expected, OD chest with wicked backpack and sadist weapon

[magic pilot]

I personally run vigi but wicked is basically always active

[snow ingot]

Ni need to farm carnage bleh

[tawdry flare]

@magic pilot @urban latch bullet king got a buff in its reload speed

[urban latch]

About time

[worn mango]

I heard the camo is also shinier

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[rich lotus]

Yes bro Chameleon is a meta DPS weapon now!!1!

😐

These patch notes were once again AI generated

[atomic trench]

that pestilince change lmao

[worn mango]

M249 go brr

[tawdry flare]

Hi it's been a while lol

[rich lotus]

Hi

It has yes

I’m done shitposting in the GCROCK build channel now back to this one 💯

[tawdry flare]

The bullet king reload speed is the best buff

No one can beat me on that thing with 511

[junior surge]

Why is the Rav in there, when no value has changed?

[versed summit]

end of an era

[tulip charm]

Who knows hope they fixed they fix the single bullet issue

[worn mango]

Ravenous is going full auto

[rich lotus]

That isn’t the issue lol

[worn mango]

Not the issue but it is being changed

[rich lotus]

It still drops 2 bullets 😭

[tawdry flare]

Some features never gets changed

[rich lotus]

TRUE

[versed summit]

well why is nemesis there?

[worn mango]

And they said their highlighting might also not be accurate because ya know, quality control. But the SIG's are changing

[worn mango]

Because it didn't wanna be left out?

[rich lotus]

We need a Nemesis buff ASAP

1.5x WD at this point cause the other changes are just as random

And reload speed to 2.67819 repeating

[worn mango]

2.68 rounded up*

[versed summit]

yeah my build doesn't work with nemesis.

like I have full 6 pc rigger and can't headshot a red?

broken

[rich lotus]

Wait if I get a bunch of twitter bot accounts to tweet about Nemesis buff will it happen??

I have a new mission

[worn mango]

And why they included it is because all 30 exotic weapons are there

If you baby rage enough, they will change it

Single round reload, but it does 4.5M damage

[versed summit]

if you compare Nemesis to other Exotics, including the Sacrum Imperium, you'll see how much more underpowered it is.

[livid mesa]

Should I use https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKhAsA2EAGFbUfegXJCFV8QAOUTcrc7MVaCWEOOSli5bYqNA13qsAJxdCfURmpDoItmJxg4nVAKHAArCoShgCVNp5UZhnEZPZ2J47ORA or https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwBgtAzG4Exn5HWU10BcBGAnJeZN8ZC1SUMIo4pC5hhyzSsopZGOmNQ92v+KuNvgH90MYAA5k2XJgCscgGyFMS8GoSN0ozjs4HEO-aJOHoQA

[rich lotus]

LMFAOOO

[versed summit]

no backfire needs hazpro

[livid mesa]

Next update

[worn mango]

You'll still need hazpro somewhere more than likely

[urban latch]

Petition for full auto nem instead

[versed summit]

yeah the bleed is the same

[worn mango]

Now you're thinking

[rich lotus]

Holy shit

[livid mesa]

I mean, the protection per kill is going to help tank it right?

[versed summit]

with 1000 WH and 20 CHC 20 CHD

[versed summit]

not well, if at all

[livid mesa]

New legendary meta

[tawdry flare]

Petition to remove charge and fully auto nemisis with 69% Crit Chance And Damage

With Determined as a talent

[worn mango]

69.420*

Extra perfect Determined. You can hit a shot anywhere and it counts as a headshot

[rich lotus]

Keep the charge but remove its functionality

So players are just confused

[worn mango]

They wouldn't notice, math is hard

Just tell em it's buffed

[tawdry flare]

Give 100x scope

And you can't zoom out or in

[worn mango]

And 10x walk speed with it

Speed runners dream

[rich lotus]

Nah bring back open doors 😭

[urban latch]

No the dream is a nego fix lol

[rich lotus]

😠

[worn mango]

What's wrong with it?

[rich lotus]

NOTHING

HES LYING

[worn mango]

I think it should also be buffed, that's what chat told me

[onyx sage]

no he's Raucey

[urban latch]

It can damage bosses while they are immune, so it's used in 1 shots. So getting to boss 3 in IH requires back to back crit shots, which is incredibly annoying

[rich lotus]

We need Nego so my LFG doesn’t wipe on Fieser 8 times

[urban latch]

Git gud

[onyx sage]

not critting is skill issue

[worn mango]

I'll wipe as much as I want

[rich lotus]

???

[onyx sage]

????

[rich lotus]

I meant it as doing shotgun nego itself over normal idiot

[onyx sage]

still skill issue bro

get good like my uncle

[rich lotus]

ok buddy I’ll see you in 5

[worn mango]

I didn't hear a no cap, therefore the skill issue has been verified

[rich lotus]

I’m going back to GCROCK this place sucks

👿

[versed summit]

end of an era

[worn mango]

Gone too soon

rip in elmos

[rich lotus]

Ok guys im back it stinks over there

too many PS players

[worn mango]

Yeah, console players stink

[onyx sage]

i knew you were playing on console, that's why you never play with me

[rich lotus]

go back to work pal

or else your wife isn’t coming back

[placid latch]

really 9% overall is good ?

[onyx sage]

yeah considering top tier is around 15%

[placid latch]

I need to check it out with other build than MMR

[versed summit]

top tier? hmm

but goat you're only 14

[onyx sage]

that's why I'm not top tier

[rich lotus]

what the hell

[versed summit]

I'm just sayin, 14% seems pretty top tier to me ahaha

[onyx sage]

I'm sorry

i'm sure if whaet trained me i'd probably have a shot

[rich lotus]

cant train a trash can

[onyx sage]

exactly

[magic pilot]

I'd say anything over 10% is pretty good

It's hard to gauge because your headshot rating basically depends entirely on what content you play the most

Or at least heavily impacts it I should say

[versed summit]

well what builds you're using too

[magic pilot]

True

Well, technically the only build that directly lowers it is oxy , turret/drone don't iirc

I'm at 14% and basically only play with regulus/m870

Only time I use anything else is countdown or incursion

[versed summit]

well a Headhunter build is going to have a better HSD ratio than a striker build

[placid latch]

I'm around 60-80% with a MMR build

[magic pilot]

I aim for the head with striker too but yea

Ik what you mean

[magic pilot]

What's your ign?

[placid latch]

Darun Dalok

[versed summit]

are you measuring by mission end screen?

[placid latch]

Yeah, I'm going in the detail

[onyx sage]

he means actually in game. PC igns don't have space

[placid latch]

Darun_Dalok if my memory is good

I can check it out on a web site ?

[magic pilot]

Discord bot

[placid latch]

discord bot ?

[onyx sage]

11%

[placid latch]

what's the command ?

curious

[magic pilot]

Not here

[onyx sage]

you probably don't have access to it. we use ISAC 2.0 bot

err ISAC-03

[magic pilot]

I pay for it on my discord, otherwise you have to join the original discord server where they made it

[placid latch]

Is there a way for me to look into it (* _ * )

[onyx sage]

check your DM

[placid latch]

I realise that Determined made me lazy

[magic pilot]

Determined will count towards overall headshot rating as well

[placid latch]

I tend to aim for body even when I'm not stack

I realised a few month ago

[onyx sage]

still 11% is good even for determined

[placid latch]

I switched for Mantis around 1 week in order to readjust

but still not proper yet

I made 207.411 npc kill and 121.030 were headshot kill

[magic pilot]

11% is pretty good

[placid latch]

Thanks

58% of my kill are headshot kill

I still do 274 HS/hour

around 4 kills per minute

[versed summit]

well thats just headshots not headshot kills, but ye

[shut skiff]

can any1 tell me what pieces im looking for, for a all red striker build i cant tell if i have the correct peices and i just need to tinker or not

[snow ingot]

Backpack, gloves, knees, holster. Ceska chest and coyote mask is default I believe. Someone correct me cuz I don’t play this

If that’s what you are asking.
If you want the specific subcores then I got nothing

[tulip charm]

Yes

[shut skiff]

na i just mean whats the minimum subcores i need so that i can just tinker/recal the rest

[tulip charm]

depends on the gun

since you need 50% chc minimum

[versed summit]

should look like this if you're max watch, you will need a little extra CHC if you're not max watch or not running elmo

[gentle lichen]

I feel it doesn't really reflect the ability of someone to headshot.

[onyx sage]

of course not yeah, but at least it still captures the ability to headshot at the start of combat or on relatively stationary targets because those most likely don't have determined procs

[shut skiff]

I’m 800 and I got Elmo

[versed summit]

well assuming you've invested in CHC on the watch already, that's basically it

[vestal pawn]

I have swapped my knees for grupo, any other suggestions?

[versed summit]

what's this for?

[vestal pawn]

Conflict

[versed summit]

I'd check out the PvP guide in the pinned spreadsheet

2 pc W&H is meh tbh, and I wouldn't recommend running Picaro's, Fox's and Catharsis all together, it hurts your crit too much to be worth it.

also, catharsis really benefits from from having a lot of tankiness, so all blue cores, Ad rush, unbrekable. Coyote's would work better for you.

and I'd at least have 3 blue cores, maybe more depending on how you're playing. Vigilance is also really dependent on playstyle

[vestal pawn]

Catharsis also gives me 2 red cores at max stacks

[versed summit]

but can you take enough damage to actually make use of those red cores?

[vestal pawn]

Hmmmm

Thinking

I can, plus the extra status effects removal is where I find the most use out of it

I also get the ability to sit in the healing cloud if I’m getting in a 1v1

Thoughts?

[urban latch]

Your very low on crit chance, you 100% want 1p ceska in there. Ideally you'd lose both w&h pieces. With only 2 blue cores and vigilance your already not trying to play the 1v1 trading game, so catharsis really isn't worth running on this build imo

Running a 2 blue core vigi build in conflict can be very effective, but it's very aggressive, so you'll definitely want other builds you can switch to for options as needed.

[shut skiff]

yea i did

[vestal pawn]

My CHC is 54 rn

If I slap a cheska on (I have a godrolled unbreakable chest) what would I want to run as my bag brandset?

[urban latch]

Is it 54 in conflict? Or is that what the stats page says?

[vestal pawn]

Good question

54 on stats, so I didn’t even think about that

Good catch

[urban latch]

Also if that build has 54% chc, that means your giving up a lot of chd to get the chc up.

It's more efficient to put on a ceska, switch out chc for chd elsewhere and do more damage overall

(this will be slightly less relevant after the next update)

[vestal pawn]

Would you drop catharsis (even with the coming buff, and the future potential to reroll exotic attributes)

[urban latch]

Catharsis is very good on very tanky builds, not so much on more red builds

[vestal pawn]

The DPS buff is why I want it

[urban latch]

Coyotes and get another blue core elsewhere

[vestal pawn]

Kk

What about after the buff?

[urban latch]

When the buff is built up it's super strong, but it's inherently inconsistent

[tawdry raven]

Guys forget about every other buff in this update, the bullet king reload speed is finally buffed. Bullet king meta is upon us

[dreamy valve]

Looking forward to Diamondback and Pestilence builds coming back

ive already set up some good dps builds for them to try out live

[tawdry raven]

Im prob just gonna keep using strikers cuz they failed to buff an alternative

[rich cosmos]

This one sentence is exactly the problem with pts 2

We got so close to an actual meta shift but nope

[tawdry raven]

Wdym heartbreaker got .1% more dmg

[rich cosmos]

Like, almost everything that got nerfed has had its nerf reduced because hate

[tawdry raven]

Strikers is toast

[rich cosmos]

SO GOOD!

😐

I can’t wait for people to boot this season up only to use elmo, strikers, and cheska with coyote

Such a unique and original build

[tawdry raven]

Ironically they buffed strikers by nuking brand sets

[rich cosmos]

Yea

Elmos nerf means basically nothing now as well

With the base damage increase

If anything they actually potentially made it worse by some of the brand set nerfs

People were so upset over losing the lamest gear in the game they couldn’t comprehend making something that took just more more line of thinking to use

Im very salty about pts 2

Elmos did not need to be changed, neither did strikers, or heartbreakers, etc

[tawdry raven]

They should just match heartbreaker and strikers dmg wise for laughs

[rich cosmos]

Whats heartbreaker max damage with chest now

[tawdry raven]

Idk that's how little I know about heartbreaker

110%

[rich cosmos]

What’s stupid is nerfing the hb buff and buffing the striker nerf before it got tested at all because of a bug

[rich cosmos]

💀

[tawdry raven]

My idea for how gear sets should work is the gear sets targeted at certain weapon categorys need the DPS to match strikers to push using them. Like hunters fury sucks but imagine it could do strikers lvl dmg for smgs and shotguns, same with heartbreaker for lmgs/ARs, breaking point for rifles

[rich cosmos]

The most vocal part of the community is striker build players and youtubers who post the middest build that only works because they have expertise

[tawdry raven]

So many gear sets targeted at certain weapon types yet don't offer dmg that competes with strikers

[rich cosmos]

The problem with that is that, for that you just slap it on strikers

Im the biggest hater of strikers

[tawdry raven]

Well what do u expect, they nerf strikers then ppl have to actually play the game again for new gear. And then we cycle back to the low stash limit argument again

[rich cosmos]

There is no gameplay for strikers, its shoot the enemy, thats it, no unique playstyle, no thing you have to do, just shoot

[tawdry raven]

Prob cuz having to play unique doesnt payoff

Hunters fury is obv meant for run and gun but doesn't do run and gun dmg

Like it was made for challenging at best

[solar sable]

Here's your Striker's spaghetti, sir 🍝

[shy willow]

I mean not really

Hunters fury is one of the most potent sets

Free crowd control and survivability is great

[violet raven]

Is there any sniper builds left that use nemises?

[rich cosmos]

I got all my wisdom teeth pulled and have only ate tomato soup and pudding today

How dare you taunt me

[tawdry raven]

No dmg

[shy willow]

You can throw it on any

[solar sable]

you can just fit it in Hotshot

[tawdry raven]

Every time I've tried using it I immediately went back to strikers

[shy willow]

Use HHF

[tawdry raven]

Idk what HHf is

[solar sable]

headhunters fury, duh

[shy willow]

Headhunter + hunters fury

[tawdry raven]

Bruh that builds for the zombie global event

[solar sable]

no it's not
it can be used anywhere in the LZ

it's not like there are exclusive builds for each GE (at all)

[tawdry raven]

Not very efficiently

[wise swallow]

what lol

HHF is crazy for basically everything besides maybe control point farming

its easy to make, build it and try

[magic pilot]

You are on the right track, I'd look a the pvp guide for the conflict 3/3 build

@gentle lichen can help with any variations on that as it's his build

[tawdry raven]

Or any enemy that has armor or is a dog

[vestal pawn]

No way

[rich lotus]

Yaweh

[wise swallow]

you can easily get around it but okay lol

reg bypasses 99% of that

[shy willow]

Muh m870 and reg combo

[magic pilot]

HHF is one of the best builds in the game?

[tawdry raven]

Or easily keep using strikers

[magic pilot]

Yea both are good, one better than the other in different situations

For solo legendary runs you'd usually see players switch between the 2

[shy willow]

Striker can't insta kill entire spawns

[wise swallow]

I dont understand "hhf bad cuz striker is good"