td2-build-advice

[rich lotus]

I use ninjabike and striker chest abomination in countdown sometimes but it gets the job done

[hexed steppe]

no, just no

[rich lotus]

haha!

its 5 red 5 yellow capacitor cause reasons, i just dont know what to switch out from striker with it

probably anything im sure

[hazy steeple]

Countdown is where you go to farm out builds, so of course builds in there are going to be generally kinda pants.

We all started out as newbies at some stage, ya gotta learn somehow.

[hexed steppe]

its always better to have a mortar build with cap...
CD+Mortar= Happy 🔥 😈 🔥

[rich lotus]

its more of a boredom thing with having 4 characters than me not knowing better. ouro striker, st elmo striker, rpk striker

[hazy steeple]

I agree, bring as many deployable skills as possible to Countdown, especially during the initial+exit areas.
Your team won't want to set you on fire at all.

If you're really good with them, you can get a full party wipe. It's every DM's eventual goal.

[rich lotus]

TBH all the countdown ive played maybe 3 times total there was a bad deployable skill dude and it was a striker drone that got swatted down quickly anyways

lucky i guess?

[hexed steppe]

if you want something interesting for countdown go with hazpro eclipse cc

my 100% goto build for cd, no cap

[rich lotus]

ironically my 4th character which has the ninjabike abomination also has the full skill/status effect high end mortar and eclipe fire and eclipse CC builds

[hexed steppe]

100% hazpro can keep you operational during hunter jams

[rich lotus]

i find its more important to just have a team that recognizes "shoot hunter that is foamed"

[hazy steeple]

And they called me mad for bringing my Backfire build.

[hexed steppe]

cant foam if disrupted

[rich lotus]

you gonna be quicker with that foam launcher my man 😛

im not hating on a hazpro CC build that does seem usefull, anyways im still ninjabike striker man so naturally im not throwing stones

[hexed steppe]

nah, they disrupt on spawn. no such thing as quicker😆

[hexed steppe]

also a buffer build. its in the sheet under hybrids if you want a breakdown

[hazy steeple]

That build is far too well crafted for me, but I'll suggest it to sane people.

[rich lotus]

you're referring to the extraction hunters specifically right?

[hexed steppe]

all beginning and extraction.

[rich lotus]

negative then, there is a window. the only one im aware of that is nearly instantaneous is the extraction near cooling tower when you go thru that outdoor corridor near the waste area

[hexed steppe]

im first in on most of the spawns because cc. ive ran less than immune, and the jam is at same time as spawn . same with f100 which is another spot i use that build

after they spawn sure, there are windows where you wont be jammed

[rich lotus]

the first four spawn, then disrupt on proximity (or possibly its line of sight) but you can absolutely mark them red and foam them before youre disrupted

but again if you dont get them youd wish you had hazpro, so i agree thats a good way to go about it

i only play heroic btw but im sure its not harder on lesser difficulties

[hexed steppe]

ide be interested to see a clip of that then. every time ive seen them spawn with they smoke bs the disrupt has been at that time.

build works the same in heroic or challenging

[rich lotus]

was gonna play some diablo 4, but ill login and try and get a capture

[hexed steppe]

nice

[red island]

Hold on how u get 5 red and yellow ?

[rich lotus]

can i even post here tho?

picaro yellow core, miscellaneous gear piece yellow core, technician and ninjabike bag

[hazy steeple]

As long as it's just a clip and not on a channel of yours or whatever, then it's fine in small doses.

[hexed steppe]

direct upload here, or can pm a youtube link direct

[rich lotus]

ive never uploaded to youtube in my life

[hazy steeple]

We've only had a handful of people be actually banned for posting on here, and it's always repeat offenders after they've been told more than once how to do it.

[red island]

That's not 5/5

[hexed steppe]

3x striker, picaros red core, ninja red core

[rich lotus]

picaro yellow core 1, picaro 2 piece = 2, miscellaneous piece with yellow core is 3, technician is 4, ninabike bag is 5

[red island]

Ah wait the talent 2 pièce

[rich lotus]

yessir!

[red island]

I get it now I forgot that talent again

[hexed steppe]

still an abomination though

[red island]

Very much yes xd

[rich lotus]

5/5 gives a lot of bang from the capacitor, but striker chest is just stupid but i dont know what to replace it with

[red island]

Obliterate ?

[rich lotus]

yeah but itd have to be a unicorn tho

[red island]

Why, keep it red core

[rich lotus]

cc/chd obliterate palaside or whatever stupid shit im using

cause then i wouldnt be 5/5

[red island]

You dont need it yellow core

Keeping it red is fine just get a fenris

[rich lotus]

i could change the striker piece to yellow core yeah

[red island]

Ye

[hexed steppe]

should go hard. eff oblit, go sacrifice

[rich lotus]

but im pretty sure im using palisade

[red island]

Yeah sacrifice could work too I guess but youll be very squichy

Cause 0 armor is really bad imo

[hexed steppe]

could have a tier 6 shield 5y 1b

[red island]

I mean 1 with ninja but still

[hexed steppe]

and an artificer stacked on top

[rich lotus]

yeah 5/5 (again im not recommending this and i recognize its an affront to all that is decent) but 5/5 gets me a tier 6 shield and a tier 5 defender drone and thats kind of nice, but if sometimes does shoot me and it will, not having ANY aok or regen sucks

i tried artificer wasnt worth it

[hexed steppe]

its better with a bulwark

[rich lotus]

yup both of them

[hexed steppe]

i use it with memento tho wheni use artificer. it gets a prett significant boost from the Skill Buckets™️

[red island]

I wish we could deflect mêlée rushers and suicide bombers

Or grenades

Imagine the nade bouncing back at them lol

[rich lotus]

memento foundry bulwark/liberty articificer is my go to turn your brain off and do some legendary summit build

[hexed steppe]

just embrace them and force your teamates to revive you on repeat

[red island]

Dont force me to use the anti stagger kneepad

[hexed steppe]

easy killer

[rich lotus]

give me a bit, i havent used geforcenow capture since i made a clip of airburst seeker and eclipse (when the set first came out) to show how awesome it was

[rich lotus]

got it, ima finish this countdown tho

actually no im not everyone died while i alt tabbed

added bonus if you didnt notice, im playing the ninjabike abomination

[sullen sun]

Guess what famous YouTuber this is

lol

[wise swallow]

tbh

with how broken snipers are, just about anything will 1 tap everything with HHF

[sullen sun]

True but this setup gotta go lol

[hazy steeple]

@sullen sun It's not Raucey, by any chance?

[magic pilot]

It's actually not far off from being good

[hazy steeple]

I wasn't making a joke, they posted an almost identical build a while back.

with hotshot it's hard to go wrong.

[sullen sun]

Skillz

[magic pilot]

Raucey wouldn't have the blue cores it gave it away

[bitter escarp]

as a new player that just hit lvl 40 whats the best way to get a variety of different gear to expirament with?

[shy willow]

Countdown

Target whatever you want

[hazy steeple]

Just make sure you play it on Challenging, Matchmaking should take about a minute or less.

[sullen sun]

Thoughts?

[shy willow]

Tp just generally sucks

Ninja umbra is pretty good for pvp

[gentle lichen]

Ehh

Each to their own i guess

[sullen sun]

These are all from Sword Gaming lol

I just wanted high lv thoughts

[gentle lichen]

I'm more regulus/hsd so i wouldn't know how effective it can be
Can definitely hit someone i can tell that much

Though you'd get better use out of umbra by using iron lung for faster fire ammo proc

[sullen sun]

Or Elmo

Does the laser pointer deal dmg without using spotter? While still having flatline?

[south otter]

Any suggested replacements for knees & chest piece ? I've been in summit for like 2hours farming but nothing yet.

[livid mesa]

Should i gamble my life away to get matador

[placid latch]

You are using PS for the health on kill ?

[south otter]

I got this build by someone suggest it to me but when i prepared everything, i got hold because of the knees and chest piece, because some of them come to me weapon damage and not skill tier

basically, I don't know what im doing, just following this picture

[placid latch]

Oh

You will never get skill tier on the knee pad and the chest piece

[south otter]

What should i do then?

[placid latch]

You need to drop piece with the other attribute and recalibrating the main attribute for skill tier

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?gid=1006013297#gid=1006013297

[south otter]

There is no way i could fine piece with Skill haste/damage both

[placid latch]

you can from my memory

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?gid=1509999994#gid=1509999994

I'll use this tool

You need to have a chest with : Core damage, skill haste, skill damage and Sacrifice where you change the core attribute for Skill tier

And for the Kneepad: Core amore, skill haste, skill damage where you change the core attribute for skill tier

Pray RNJesus

[tulip charm]

2 hana u pieces

[hexed steppe]

i see what you mean. its a fair point but im gonna mention the hunter was already spawned. ill concede that you would need to be in proximity when they spawn to take a disrupt, and after that point you have windows in between where it would work without hazpro. im usually waiting on the hunter to spawn while teamate shuts off first countermeasure, (hunter spawn thats close to the countermeasure on the left side path you bypassed in your vid. )

[hexed steppe]

Lootcifer sacrifices get you more favorable RNG, js .
🔥 😈 🔥

[hexed steppe]

that looks awefully familiar. the only improvement would be move empress to knee and add wafeform

swapping out chest and knee for hanna would be trading 5% amp for 10% additive skill damage, on a build stacked with skill damage

[south otter]

Yeah, you give me this picture, thats why its familiar

[south otter]

Unfortunately i didn't obtain waveform, and I don't know how..

[hexed steppe]

you would just target holsters. it will drop eventually

i caught up on the conversation. you can use 2x hanna like suggested if you dont have the chest. it is somewhat ofg a unicorn piece

[hexed steppe]

its for armor on kill, stacked with gunner and mop , its 20-30% aok depending if mop is in hand or not

[nimble pilot]

Do you guys recommend
Hybrid builds

[urban latch]

Depends what you mean by hybrid, but generally no. It's better to focus on doing 1 thing very well

If you just want to put some armor cores on a DPS build and trade some damage for survivability, that's just a personal preference thing

[livid mesa]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwBgtATG5V79RDnQFykmAzGAjHsATgA4kyVlVDtN98sA2c5i1XHHGF71jTzCj3Kos1fnCGD4qCFnDAwDfKQjg5YAOz9KEDRsS5ZkEE1X7VpKWwhNwAVn1ThIdPifSsdydCA is this good?

[urban latch]

The overlord is kind of trash, there's much better options at shotgun. Otherwise it's a fairly standard HF build, although I don't really like ad rush/intimidate personally

[livid mesa]

Forgetting the overlord, those are to make sure I mix survivability and damage

[urban latch]

If you plan on mainly using an SMG, I'd just go memento and obliterate

[livid mesa]

I find memento kind of mid

[versed summit]

It honestly works very well with HF IMO because you can really take advantage of the short term buffs, which a lot of other builds are not CQC enough to do as effectively.

[livid mesa]

Also talking about survivability should I put bloodsucker on it or leave adrenaline rush

[versed summit]

I really wouldn’t bother with either tbh. Bloodsucker could be better though

[livid mesa]

Better survivability?

[versed summit]

Depending on how much you’re killing yes.

[worn mango]

If not Momento it's typically Vigilance right?

[versed summit]

I’m not a fan of vigilance personally, I think a lot of the play style around Hunter’s Fury involves taking damage.

Personally I’d go unstoppable force or wicked if not memento.

[worn mango]

Yeah that makes sense. Maybe if you're using shield but then you're also not moving and grooving like you should with HF

Does Wicked proc because of the Hunter Fury tag?

[quartz ermine]

try this

[versed summit]

Tbh I use the striker shield but even then. May just be a skill issue on my part.

[south otter]

my problem is with waveform I can't obtain it

[versed summit]

Not the tag but the disorient

[worn mango]

Okay so as soon as you get the kill and then it's the others, cool

I was wondering why people ran wicked on HF but that makes sense lol

[versed summit]

Just do Hana-U tbh

[versed summit]

It's pretty consistently up tbh

[worn mango]

Yeah that's good comms, gonna try it out later

[ashen atlas]

Nice GoPro on that hat 😆

[urban latch]

You need a kill on a target next to others. You can also use a skill like foam or emp pulse to proc it for your first kill, then relay on the HF disorient to keep it active.

[worn mango]

Yeah yeah, makes sense

Is the logical choice always Ouro for HF? I don't have one yet so I've just been trying out other guns for kicks

[versed summit]

It's incredible DPS, so unless you're using a shotgun, or doing content like league runs where Lady Death is more beneficial, yeah.

[worn mango]

I'm doing Lady Death right now just because I need the expertise and it's fun

[hexed steppe]

if planning on using wicked, scorpio can have your damage buffed before hf on kill disorient kicks in

[worn mango]

That's good comms for when I'm legit using the set for sure and maybe what, MPX?

[versed summit]

Banshee with Fast Hands or an MP7 with your choice of talent. Or maybe another shotgun potentially

[tulip charm]

is .45 vector short or long underrail?

[worn mango]

You can put the pulse laser on it

[worn mango]

I do love fast hands

I believe Strained is another good option

[tulip charm]

so .45 vector is best gun for flatline.

[worn mango]

Best is subjective but it's definitely an option if you're running heartbreaker or some spotter stuff

[tulip charm]

dps wise is better than the next best option which is the aug

Not by much ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[worn mango]

Is it heartbreaker you're running?

[versed summit]

AUG has way better sustain than the .45 tho

[tulip charm]

yeah

I don't think I have an aug

[tulip charm]

No HF

[versed summit]

Should be craftable?

[worn mango]

Oh gotcha. MPX, Banshee, MP5 all good options

[tulip charm]

Pretty sure banshee cant run pulse

[versed summit]

MPX and MP5 are kinda mid now

[versed summit]

It cannot, MPX can't either

[tulip charm]

Yeah

rip mp5 tho

[versed summit]

Fr

[tulip charm]

was the best before the buff

[worn mango]

So what you're saying is that I need more SMG options lol

I'm game to farm it, why not

[tulip charm]

It do be like that sometimes

[worn mango]

I'm in my mess with everything phase lol

Allegedly for non exotic it's banshee, 9mm vector and mp7

[ashen atlas]

Which ones are the top 2 healers build in your opinion? (anyone) I need to build one. I need a game change

[worn mango]

The far and above healer is future initiative

[ashen atlas]

Thanks I’ll look it up

[versed summit]

There's a guide in the pinned spreadsheet I'd recommend checking out

[worn mango]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=022975b4-183e-e730-c18b-06ff00cb26ea&noteKey=6160294f8f6e72cf99375efb0813747a&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2F022975b4-183e-e730-c18b-06ff00cb26ea%2F6160294f8f6e72cf99375efb0813747a&title=Future%2BInitiative%2BHealer%2B%2528Y5%2BS2%2529 Here's the spreadsheet one

It's incredibly easy to put together

[ashen atlas]

Thank you 🙏 reading it now

[tulip charm]

top 2? more like the only option xd

[versed summit]

Striker healer? Lol

[trim chasm]

Healer with tardigrade and alps knees

[versed summit]

I don't think that's really worthwhile tbh

[trim chasm]

Oh man, really??
😂

[tulip charm]

🗿

[versed summit]

BTSU is just too good

And then you lose the +10 TWD buff from FI

[trim chasm]

Oh I know. I’m just messing. I was in a group where the healer was wearing just that: tardigrade and no BTSU

[versed summit]

Oh lol

You never know

[rough creek]

New to dark zone: Do builds work differently in DZ? I cant get head hunter to chain kill (normal head hunter, determined m700) cant get more than my base damage. When I go to white house range it works as normal

[versed summit]

Talents work differently. At least some

You can press "z" in your inventory to see the adjusted talents and numbers

[rough creek]

🙌 thanks

[south otter]

any sniper builds suggestions?

[versed summit]

There's a guide in the pinned spreadsheet you can check out.

[south otter]

Ik about it, but i want builds from players experience

[versed summit]

Well those are from player experience, but I think I get what you're saying. Lol

[tulip charm]

Its just the same old setup w/ headhunter and determined. It doesnt really matter as long as you can one shot.

[red island]

thoses builds are from experienced players that tested them

[rich lotus]

Is using a crit hit build in pvp a good idea?

[red island]

yes

[worn mango]

Might depend if you need to proc it but if you don't then yeah it's fine

[wise swallow]

generally yes but thats too vague

[rich lotus]

What weapon should I use with it?

Cause idk if I should use backfire or lady death

[wise swallow]

whats the build?

need more detail

[red island]

you need to tell us your build before we tell you whats good with it

[red island]

change lady death

[rich lotus]

To?

[red island]

any meta weapon, ouro, eb, f2000, famas, etc

[rich lotus]

Ouroboros? Idk how to get it since I have no good build for incursion

[solar sable]

Do you have basic Striker's?

[rich lotus]

Yes?

[solar sable]

That's good enough

If you want I can create an lfg for incursion and help out a bit

[rich lotus]

That would be lovely

[rich lotus]

What weapon should I use with the striker build?

[solar sable]

You got Elmo's?

[rich lotus]

Yeah but not with max attributes

[solar sable]

It doesn't matter at all, just if it has DTOC

[rich lotus]

Dtoc?

[solar sable]

dmg to target out of cover

[rich lotus]

It has max critical hit chance o

[solar sable]

Oh, no worries. I'll keep asking in #td2-general-chat whilst I open the game

[rich lotus]

Ok thanks

[worn mango]

Love me some division 2 build drama

[magic pilot]

Did I miss it?

[worn mango]

Just a video that was posted today. Ikia ripping on some other YouTuber

[magic pilot]

Gonna check it out

[hazy steeple]

Everyone needs a hobby.

[warm owl]

Does anyone have a build video or advice like skill or gun made for solo'ing legendary missions?

[onyx sage]

check out hutchler's guide on yt, and watch actual runs

[warm owl]

alright, ty

[tulip charm]

the reason why d2 youtuber tends to have a bad track record when it comes to build guides is because of guys like him.

[rich lotus]

Unless he was ripping on Butcher they didn't deserve it

[shy willow]

I've never heard of the guy he was flaming

[light dome]

Is true patriot a good build?

[hexed steppe]

just illustrates why its better to come here rather than parse through a bunch of bs videos. youll get direct answers, and immediate review and rebuttal if incorrect. saves a ton of time

[hexed steppe]

no

[tulip charm]

Not really since they’re are better options for support and subdps.

[hexed steppe]

depending on your aim, there are a few builds that can do what youre trying to do better. better to state what you want to do and youll be pointed in the right direction

[magic pilot]

I have, typical garbage

[shy willow]

Ah

[rich cosmos]

Reposting my goofy striker build

[glossy scarab]

try to find some grupo or ceska or fenris or walker & harris gloves because that exotic glove is doing nothing for you there

[shy willow]

Is the yellow and the data gloves just to be a bit different

At that point may as well go full yellow

[tulip charm]

truly a goofiest build of all time

[rich cosmos]

Yes and I have stated before I hate using capacitor and I have a very biased hatred for it

I got really tired of how umbra works so I wanted to make a build that I would enjoy more

It works

Obviously it will get outclassed by multiple other builds

[gentle lichen]

Use a weapon with future perfect then

Can overcharge theoretically when you max stacks on it

[rich cosmos]

There’s actually another very biased reason Im not

I think the 50 mags on most of the ARs in game look very very ugly

[shy willow]

Attachment transmogs plz

Exotic ones too at that

[hexed steppe]

how many targets on the blinder when you oc? im guessing thats the main reason for btsu

either that or maybe to kill the cooldown, or both 😆

[rich cosmos]

I actually haven’t checked on oc

But the instant cooldown is very nice

[hexed steppe]

yeah, i use same for my mortar. considering it is suggested sometimes to run blue striker, i dont see a couple yellow as a huge detriment. its one of the few sets whos damage potential gives it a lot of flexibility

[fiery meadow]

Hey guys I've recently returned to the game and finished warlords of new york. I am planning on doing countdown to get a build together right now. Do u guys have any other recommended activities for me to do ?

[red island]

countdown with target loot is the best way to get your first builds

otherwise summit is also a good choice

[fiery meadow]

can i get exotics from it

[red island]

yes, but its rare, you mostly will buy exotic caches instead from vendor

with countdown credits

[fiery meadow]

gotcha apparently i need coyote mask for it

on a build im trying to make

im looking at the spreadsheet right now

[red island]

put target loot on mask incase you drop it, and then just play, buy an exotic cache, and repeat

[fiery meadow]

got it

[red island]

gl hf

[fiery meadow]

how do i get weapon attachments are they still from control points?

and if so which ones do i put on to the gun

is it weapon dependent or do i put them in a way to reach the stats needed for the build

[red island]

side missions will give you most of them

they depend on the weapon type, ar/smg/sniper/etc

just use whatever attachment you wants, they all fine

cp 3/4 will give you the rest of the blueprints

[blazing ridge]

What sniper and talent for the snipers should I have for a 1 shot sniper build

and perks to use

[onyx sage]

read this guide: sniper setups

[blazing ridge]

Ight thanks

[sudden fog]

hiii naval

[rich lotus]

so 20% more damage on that particular revolver still makes the harvest less damage than a d50 and substantially less damage than regulus, so... why

[jagged marlin]

Well it's an option

[urban latch]

So is putting your thumb in your eye

[magic pilot]

Gun sucks

[red island]

lmao

raucey knows whats up

[jagged marlin]

I mean, philosophically everything is an option, unless you are forced to choose

[red island]

therefore almost nothing is an option

since you're more or less forced for almost everything

[magic pilot]

Even if you are forced to choose you can always make a choice to not decide

[rich lotus]

Yodafide Rush lyrics up in chat

[red island]

i think coercion is def not what a choice is

[shy willow]

Heya

[vernal lily]

is a blue fi build viable, where instead of healing to keep teammates at full u give them vanguard armor?

basically is fi worth running without chest as a tank?

[rich cosmos]

I mean, you trade healing for yourself and teammates, for temporary healing

[tulip charm]

Imo not worth running fi without chest if you really want to run tank just run TP. But yeah there’s some people who did blue fi w/ doctor home since the heals is based on users armor i believe.

[vernal lily]

and losing armor doesnt lose the fi passive but if u take dmg then heal it u dont have the buff during that time. also vanguard is global, so for like countdown where u dont always have los to heal vanguard seems good

[vernal lily]

fair but i feel like tp buffs arent nearly as good or apply to as much damage as fi even without chest

never tried dr home but might look at that too

[shy willow]

It's a thing but mostly because of Dr home

[rich cosmos]

Dr home is a gun that I really wish was actually worth using

Its like, so close to being a really good exotic

[grim seal]

Flatline or Brazen for the ACS-12 Heartbreaker?

it already builds stacks fast enough so I'm trying to make it do more damage instead

[magic pilot]

Brazen imo

Saves you 5% chc on a crit starved set

[hexed steppe]

one is gonna need to build hb stacks regardless of talent. brazen still probably pretty good option, but ones ability to hit a headshot for stacking is gonna determine if linked laser is used..

[solar sable]

I swear I saw someone typing
oh there he is

[hexed steppe]

👴 im a slow typer

[signal orbit]

Hit level 40. Does anybody have basic build idea? I’ve been running true patriot, but it feels really underwhelming ( st elmos is weapon)

[hexed steppe]

look into striker for dps, eclipse fire for status to start. both have guides in the pinned spreadsheet

look under Hub (Builds) tab

[worn mango]

Basic striker is your best bet to get going. You're able to farm with that

Or Heartbreaker if you're finding survivability an issue

[placid latch]

don't forget to craft them

[wise glen]

any advice which talent to put on banshee and mp7?
and also which one should i farm for first?

[red island]

just target loot smg and get the first you get, for talents there are multiple that are good, killer, close and personnal, for good damage

even strained

[placid latch]

From what I see, use the talent you like on the weapon

Except for MMR where Determined is OP, all the other depend on how you play and how to use them

Some build rely on those talent, but it's really specific

Like using Tsunami for chain kill without reloading

[pastel crane]

Best talents for the Banshee? I have one with Optimist.

[onyx sage]

strained, fast hands and unwavering

[pastel crane]

Thanks

[worn mango]

Strained is better for sustained, fast hands for burst. Depends on what you're doing but I've just been going strained cause let it rain

[onyx sage]

other way around lol

strained for burst

[worn mango]

See, I thought that but I was like no that sounds right lol

To me burst seems like little spurts of damage and sustained makes it seem like you're constantly shooting

And then strained is better because you keep firing

[onyx sage]

formally burst dps is defined as your dps without reload time

sustained dps is defined as your dps including reload time

[worn mango]

Ohhhh okay, so I just had the vernacular twisted up by my own definition

That makes sense though

So say something did crazy damage but reload was forever, you'd want fast hands to help the sustained dps

[onyx sage]

yeah

[worn mango]

Cool, appreciate the clarification on that

[onyx sage]

fast hands doesn't work for some weapons though

like shell-reload shotguns. fast hands only applies to the first round

super 90 is notorious for having very strong burst but weak sustained, sad that fast hands doesn't work for it for example

[worn mango]

Ah okay that makes total sense

And I'm guessing in turn single reload marksmans, even though that would be a wasted talent

[onyx sage]

yeah cuz you don't really have crit on most mmr builds

[worn mango]

Does crit do anything for headshot? There's no weird multiplier in there is it?

For example, if you have high crit and low headshot, should you just always focus on anything other than head?

[onyx sage]

crit damage and headshot damage are additive, basically means your returns for stacking both isn't very high. there are some exceptions but most of the time it's better to stack one or the other only

[onyx sage]

when shooting, ideally you always hit the head, you can proc both crit and headshot separately

[worn mango]

Ah okay. My determined/headhunter has crit rolled on the other pieces like my chest and backpack so I'm not so concerned. I was thinking it was important to have handling at that point

[onyx sage]

but crit is there because it applies to body shots and to enemies without heads too

[worn mango]

Cool so I'm not doing anything wrong there. Was thinking I was missing a really key tactic or something lol

[onyx sage]

yeah the most important thing for hsd is if you run headhunter make sure you have at least 150% (for the respective weapons you run). so for mmr/pistol don't worry about it but for shotguns you'll probably not have enough

other than that it doesn't really matter. you can run all handling on hotshot pieces for example and still have enough hsd

[worn mango]

Oh yeah I have a ton. Weirdly it's one of my most juiced loadouts somehow

On that I have 315.3% headshot and 67.1% crit damage with 111.6% all weapon damage and 60% marksman

[subtle shadow]

Looking to get back into the game what build would you currently recommend for solo and group content?

[tulip charm]

Pick a build you see interesting from the spreadsheet in Pinned comments.

or Insert obligatory just run striker bro here

[onyx sage]

just run striker bro

[solar sable]

just run striker

[tawdry flare]

Just run 511 like a Chad

[shy willow]

😬

[vernal lily]

thoughts on running 25% chc on countdown if team has lots of coyotes and assuming all buffs will be active?

[tulip charm]

Not worth. Its better to rely on your own coyotes than other and its negligible difference in damage.

[west geyser]

Anyone know any good builds using ravenous

[solar sable]

Rav is niche iirc. So, there's not

[hazy steeple]

You can totally add it to the Standard Red DPS build, just requires some tweaking.

@west geyser Check out the 📌 pinned-message in this channel, "spreadsheet 2" and the build name I mentioned, it's at the top of the list.

[shy willow]

There's a niche one shot negotiators set up

Other than that you can just throw it on DPS type builds

[placid latch]

Is it me or the exotic rifle seem subpart ?

[tulip charm]

Which

[placid latch]

Diamond back, Merciless/ruthless, Dr Home for exemple

[shy willow]

Most rifles are subpar

[hexed steppe]

then there is the m1a cqb 😍

[red island]

some rifle are great

diamondback is great tbh especially nego build

m1a with some stab is awesome

[plain girder]

Does expplosion resistance protect u from granAde damage?

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[red island]

from every explosion yes

[plain girder]

Bet i heard otherwise

[red island]

wym ?

[plain girder]

Like grenade damage seperate from explosion damage

[red island]

fire nade doesnt count as explosion but everything else does

no reason they shouldnt count as explosive

they are also amplified by explosive damage talents

like china brand

[plain girder]

I try counter the bs grenade/ shock bs glich in conflict using a shock explosion bunk build but i heard about about that

[tulip charm]

I LOVE NEGO @hexed steppe

[hexed steppe]

Nego is 😍

Been my goto dps for a long time

[worn mango]

Time to go farm AUG AR's potentially

[rich lotus]

Guys is it worth grinding blueprints for those items u need to recalibrate your weapon?

[onyx sage]

nego is back let's go

[hexed steppe]

Yes

[wise swallow]

curious to see the FAL with nego

seems like a decent combo

[tulip charm]

Yeah thats gonna be sick

[hexed steppe]

I really should go watch the live 😅

[worn mango]

I'm really gonna have to do all the damage calcs aren't I lol

I've done AR and SMG. I need a coffee for the other five sections lol

[tulip charm]

Nah just wait for full release

[worn mango]

Oh it's just typing, takes me a few minutes

I have them in #ask-td2-community

[rich lotus]

Is setting world difficulty to heroic and going for control point the best method?

[worn mango]

Well blueprints you can do any difficulty

[hexed steppe]

For xp, yes. For blueprints challenging is all that's needed

[worn mango]

Oh yeah it's challenging huh

[hexed steppe]

Yep

[rich lotus]

Cause heroic gives an extra blueprint in the chest in the storage room

Idk about challenging

[hexed steppe]

You dont get opt blueprints from the chest afaik. Some item blueprints probably tho. Itll be limited what drops from the chest

[rich lotus]

Oh? I thought it always gives blueprints as I never got a chest without them on heroic

[urban latch]

Never left

Nego+ killer is going to be pretty nuts

[onyx sage]

the new players who joined 3 months ago: nego? what's that?

[hexed steppe]

As long as you can handle heroic itll be the most bang for your buck. You can keep resetting cp to speed things further instead of running to each

[tulip charm]

So is OD chest worth running now with it being changed to 50% instead of 35%

[rich lotus]

Scorpio with striker build is fire

Does the job perfectly

[hexed steppe]

Nice

[rich lotus]

Anyway thx for the help

[worn mango]

What gets Perfect Killer?

[urban latch]

Dark winter

[worn mango]

Oh Dark Winter

It's not getting that nasty of a nerf either

[round zinc]

i hope it doesnt affect chameleon

that buff feels nonsensical and it might get a nerf😔

[worn mango]

Jeez, SCAR Rifle getting absolutely murdered

[round zinc]

they really threw random shit at the wall

its lucky a lot of them sticks this time

by a lot i mean 50%

ak nerf too

[blissful rampart]

heyo!! big patch!

[vestal ibex]

Excited to update the sheet yeah?

[hexed steppe]

Who dis?!

[blissful rampart]

god no im soooo far behind on the sheet i just gave up tbh.

busy in RL held me back QQ

heya my @urban latch Bae!!!

[magic pilot]

PvP guide....

[round zinc]

brotha they did nothing with the chameleon again

its so over im gonna deconstruct my cham

[urban latch]

Good news, everything will be out of date now

[round zinc]

good luck reworking the spreadsheet

[versed summit]

Woooooooooo

[magic pilot]

Yea seriously

Means I gotta start grinding tf outta the game again

Actually do pvp

[versed summit]

FR FR

No Tarkov for you pal

[round zinc]

yall obviously dont excessive hoard studf

[tawdry flare]

Lots of work for u finally 5.11 got buffed

[round zinc]

i have 2 ooc lvoac

[magic pilot]

I'm 3 tasks from kappa, gotta finish before the update drops🤣

[tawdry flare]

@urban latch 5.11 will be the meta for hazpro right?

[round zinc]

also a max rolled ksg

[gentle lichen]

There's uzina

[magic pilot]

I did not see the brand changes yet

Just ceska, prov and habs

[tawdry flare]

5.11 got 30% on everything

[versed summit]

Well it’s a choice. You could reasonably go either. Curious to see if that’s better than Cav

[blissful rampart]

this brand buff/nerfs are fucking whack man.. like why?

[round zinc]

so is richter officially the worst gearset in the game

[round zinc]

spin the wheel,see which stuff gets nerfed or buffed

[versed summit]

Mostly nerfs for DPS, and some upgrades for 3 pc. A lot more consistency tho

[magic pilot]

I can't even find the brand nerfs lol

[blissful rampart]

@magic pilot its in the part 3 of the patch notes https://trello.com/c/lVVypYbH

[magic pilot]

Ohhh it's in the picture

[gentle lichen]

Guy is getting his patch notes from a dealer in an alleway

[tawdry flare]

Finally the meta buff

[magic pilot]

I thought it was listed like the geatsets lol

[versed summit]

Naur

[magic pilot]

Yea I don't understand the weird shit like 8.33% status

For electrique

[round zinc]

if they really think that nerfing dps will make people play differently they’re in for a surprise

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[gentle lichen]

Should be 5% like wyvern imo

[tawdry flare]

I find the % hilarious

[round zinc]

you know that moon knight panel that goes “random bs go”?

[versed summit]

Invisible hand and Railsplitter are balling though in case no one noticed

[magic pilot]

Not familiar but sounds fitting

[tawdry flare]

Meanwhile determined didn't get touched amazing

[versed summit]

No more slander on those

[magic pilot]

Bighorn ftw

[tawdry flare]

They won't fix broken stuff

[versed summit]

FR FR. Was that change for PvP too? I guess I can check lol

[round zinc]

they beat the fraud allegations?

[magic pilot]

Yep

[versed summit]

Heck yeah

[tulip charm]

Firm handshake buff makes it meta

[magic pilot]

Yes imo uzina absolutely still beats out 5.11

[versed summit]

Where’s @onyx sage? You can sloth in legendary now

[magic pilot]

Ceska 2pc buff and yaahl 2pc buff is super good

[round zinc]

people will explode lmao have you seen people crying about striker elmo ouro nerf on twitter

[magic pilot]

All the other buffs don't really matter

[versed summit]

Tbh with the brandset nerfs yeah FR

[round zinc]

determined was a mistake

[versed summit]

On god

[round zinc]

if they dont fix it next season is just straight up season of cheese

[tawdry flare]

Nope 30% health and 30% incoming repair

[round zinc]

lets reward bad gameplay

[magic pilot]

Terrible

[round zinc]

why not
low skill ceiling high reward

[versed summit]

The new talent could be good for MMRs. If it amps with HH like brazen. Likely no tho

[magic pilot]

Depends on if you can even put in on mmr

[gentle lichen]

What do you mean low? Your first kill has to be headshot lol

[versed summit]

St. Elmo’s Engine will honestly probably be fine. The buffs to M4 should help it

The ammo economy is still there. Mostly

[round zinc]

and every kill afterwards is a point and click adventure game

[versed summit]

Pretty sure lol. Lemme db check

[round zinc]

if that aint low skill ceiling idk what is

[tawdry flare]

St. Elmos is dead for me personally it's

Got what like 10% extra chd and handling

[round zinc]

you just need 1 headshot kill

if you cant do that skill issue tbh

[tawdry flare]

15% chc is standard on every ar with mods

[gentle lichen]

Mods are now just like eb. I assume more will gravitate to eb now as a change of playstyle

[versed summit]

Yeah there’s no way. It’s a range based talent. Perfect for MMRs

[versed summit]

True

[round zinc]

like have you ever tried to snipe pre determined

[gentle lichen]

Also the fact eb that eb gives damage when talent proc i assume it'll be way better in damage too

[round zinc]

genuinely

their head shakes around so much

[gentle lichen]

I snipe in pvp lol and i'm very VERY happy about the ekim's buff

Every 3 meters sounds so busted

[round zinc]

sorry i dont pvp to comment on it i was mostly referring to the pve side

determined is really just braindead in pve

[gentle lichen]

Even pve honestly with aim assist on console crosshair sticks to their heads like glue.
Can't say the same about pc though

[onyx sage]

gunslinger?

[round zinc]

that explains it

[tawdry flare]

Yes

[urban latch]

There was a fairly significant nerf to MMRs

[versed summit]

Perf versatile

[onyx sage]

💀

[round zinc]

i despise the .308 nerf

every update it gets progressively worse

[versed summit]

On 30% swap speed

[gentle lichen]

Which was?

[urban latch]

Base damage on the top guns

[round zinc]

the ceiling dropped essentially

[urban latch]

Sr-1 got hit really hard

[hazy steeple]

Hey Raucey, Backfire's getting a buff. How much now to add it to the Standard DPS build?

[versed summit]

Please do recruiter manhunt with versatile+gunslinger

[round zinc]

sr1 was a live execution

[versed summit]

Yeah right to the ground

White death the goat again? :/

[round zinc]

like last time something got gutted that hard i was still playing destiny

[gentle lichen]

Oh jesus i just saw it

[urban latch]

Still no I think lol

[hazy steeple]

Ah nuts.

[gentle lichen]

How much will that affect snipers on HH setups though?

[urban latch]

I'll mess around with it in the pts, but there's just a lot of good options

[versed summit]

Should be stronger than ever with white death buff tbh

[round zinc]

my best guess is that its back to white death
tho i noticed that m700 series got buffed iirc

lemme post it

[versed summit]

No?

[urban latch]

The damage values of MMRs make much more sense now, it's a good change. But I wasted a lot of exotic components on my sr-1 lol

[tawdry flare]

What about nego bag buff?

[round zinc]

my bad i meant m44

[tawdry flare]

Striker nerf was needed

[hazy steeple]

Someone just posted them all over in #ask-td2-community
in incredibly poor quality.

[round zinc]

got the 2 of them wrong

[worn mango]

Hey hey hey, snipping tool is only as good as it gets around here lol

[gentle lichen]

I think the buff to optimal range cancels out the damage nerf in that specific range

[round zinc]

yeaaaa sad day for determined sloppers

[gentle lichen]

42-50

[round zinc]

yea but in pve you dont get into fights at that long of a range unless its open world

sr1 is so brutal

[versed summit]

Why?

[gentle lichen]

Damn near a 100k dmg nerf

[round zinc]

just nerfs n all

[gentle lichen]

25~%?

[versed summit]

I mean, white death is stronger than ever.

[gentle lichen]

I think you'll need damaging talents now to accommodate for those nerfs

[round zinc]

fair

tho i feel like they just reverted project resolve here

white death king everything else garbage

thats just how it works now apparently

[gentle lichen]

Model 700 is still top dog in damage through.
Is the 26% more hsd going to beat that?

[versed summit]

But we literally have a stronger MMR than we’ve ever had. Just like when Model 700 got buffed. Everyone is just back to White Death

[round zinc]

the gap is like 10k idk

[versed summit]

I’d imagine. The extra first shot damage is big

[hazy steeple]

So, meta hogs. What would the new S tier sniper be for that kinda playstyle?

srs/sr1 were....made quiet, after all.

[vestal ibex]

HH didn't get a nerf so all the same?

[tulip charm]

Oh right I wonder if they have a modifier that makes use of optimal range

[red island]

dman the virtuoso bonuses seem crazy

the conditions look funky tho

[round zinc]

probably white death or model 700

[hazy steeple]

Okay I meant to add "mag" in there.

[versed summit]

Probably m44?

Highest base plus a mag, by a decent margin

Gonna have to farm a custom

[hazy steeple]

Actually I think I have one laying around that's untweaked.

hoarder win!

[versed summit]

Nice, I think I gave up hope on them and ditched em. I did really like it in div 1. Though I think most people think they’re goofy looking

[hazy steeple]

They don't fashion well, which does put them lower for me.

[versed summit]

Yeah I figured lol

[red island]

HOLY

THEY NERFED STRIKER

ALL HELL WILL BREAK LOOSE

[hazy steeple]

You get any sleep yet, lyfe?

[versed summit]

Lmao

[red island]

i wish, only 12h

[tulip charm]

12h of sleep?

Also kinda forced to use mosquito now since they moved sledge buff to it :/

[solar sable]

I don't get anything lol
what are these changes?

[versed summit]

Is that rhetorical lol?

[magic pilot]

Barely nerfed striker tbh

[versed summit]

Could be good for tanks. Seems like an interesting way to use “Sledgehammer”

[vestal ibex]

Vigi striker inbound

[solar sable]

I just woke up and I only saw Lyfe shouting striker's nerf

[magic pilot]

Eh striker bag still good

[tulip charm]

Yeah striker got nerfed and heart got buffed

[solar sable]

good Lord

[vestal ibex]

Not saying it's not good.

[magic pilot]

Can't give up coyotes

One of the few crit "brands" that didn't get nerfed lol

[versed summit]

True tbh

[magic pilot]

Also pretty big attachment changes

All this div talk makes me want to play div 1 on pc

[onyx sage]

striker bag is now 12.12% multiplicative

which compared to obliterate 17%... hmm

i'll think about it later, lunch time

[urban latch]

Without the chest I think vigi or memento is the way to go now. With the chest it's still worth running, but vigi has an argument

[onyx sage]

yeah vigi is stronger now

kinda makes me sad cuz i want to play more no shield

[vestal ibex]

Just don't get hit

[onyx sage]

ez

[urban latch]

I actually really like the attachment changes. It's no longer just throw on chc every time. the key cjer is it makes 1p ceska and 2p prov even more valuable lol

[magic pilot]

I do as well

Gives div 1 vibes

[tulip charm]

I want to see the new vaules for heartbreak and striker

[magic pilot]

HB was already in a great spot imo

[tulip charm]

yeah 1 to 1.3% is kinda crazy

[versed summit]

Anyone thinking about full auto rifle plus Aces?

[tulip charm]

RAVENOUS BUFF

[versed summit]

Maybe a DZ HSD build?

[magic pilot]

Depends on how shit the accuracy is

[versed summit]

True

They sound extremely strong

So handling is a huge question

[magic pilot]

I'm gonna assume they will be barely usable unless they change the handling

[versed summit]

Honestly tho. We have great handling mods now.

[magic pilot]

Striker will be meta still in pve

And Nego will make its way to casuals

[versed summit]

Maybe

[magic pilot]

Incursion is kinda locked to striker

[versed summit]

It’s a small buff tbh

[magic pilot]

Killer got buffed as well

[versed summit]

Yeah, might be enough to be worth it?

[magic pilot]

New exotic gun looks good for Nego

[onyx sage]

the way i've been playing HHF is exactly how they envision us playing virtuoso lol

maybe i'll switch to it for hh and try it out

[versed summit]

Yeah FR

[versed summit]

True. Like swapping to MMR for range and shotty for close

[onyx sage]

they made this patch for me!!!

they knew how much i loved thorn!!! /j

[worn mango]

What would be good to hoard right now? Just good gun rolls regardless of what it is?

[versed summit]

Sir you can’t fool me

[versed summit]

Honestly. We don’t know that this is definitive.

[tulip charm]

Depends on what you need

[versed summit]

Just everything IMO

[worn mango]

That's my worry @versed summit is that it will just change again

[tulip charm]

I am excited for OD now

[versed summit]

Clean house at next season

[worn mango]

I'm gonna just grab any weapon that has a decent roll now so I can manip talent

[versed summit]

IMO having the separate amp from glass seems better still.

[versed summit]

Yeah always get the dtooc weapons

[versed summit]

The six12 reload tho

[worn mango]

If they don't change AUG though it should be nasty

[versed summit]

Yeah aug is feasting

Invisible hand looks phenomenal

[onyx sage]

we don't talk about that

[versed summit]

True true

[worn mango]

I'm gonna focus on getting AR's and SMG's after I get this Sokolov backpack I need

[magic pilot]

It is atm

[versed summit]

But with the OD chest buff?

[magic pilot]

Aug looking super good

[magic pilot]

Yep

[worn mango]

Perfect Allegro makes Aug shoot 830

[versed summit]

Ye.

It’s essentially a 22% amp, that synergizes with Strikers/HB. Not with striker’s. Still helpful tho

I’m curious if it’d be better than M4 C7 for HB

Definitely going to give red HB another shot

[onyx sage]

uhhhhh actually it adds to rof so it's not 22% for striker 🤓

[versed summit]

Probably less DPS than kingbreaker, but fire rate is worth it

[versed summit]

I’m a moron. Please forgive me

[worn mango]

Kingbreaker would be buffed too

[versed summit]

It was

It has a decent reload now so a bit different than an AK clone

[magic pilot]

Ak got nerfed too

[versed summit]

yeah. no one used ak tho

ACR got hit

[tulip charm]

I was the only ak user

akm currently is top 3 ar

not sure about it now

[versed summit]

it’s gonna be a rifle now lol

[round zinc]

why HB but not strikers?

[onyx sage]

striker already has rof

rof is additive

[versed summit]

not like fox’s

fox’s is multiplicative /j

[round zinc]

yea but more is good no?

[onyx sage]

"fox and contractor are multiplicative so they are MUST HAVES"

[onyx sage]

the point is it's not a 22% increase anymore

[magic pilot]

That's why I use hollowman now

[versed summit]

woah, so pro

[onyx sage]

think multiplicatively

[round zinc]

ahh

thank you john headhunter

[magic pilot]

Hollowman got buffed

[round zinc]

tfw i still dont have a hollowman

[versed summit]

decent bruh

[onyx sage]

play the decent game mode

beware of rouge tho

[worn mango]

I guess I don't know the formula that well. Are certain stats multiplicative where some are additive? Or does it depends on how it's rolled on certain gear?

[round zinc]

res agent

[onyx sage]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/gi0uel/weapon_damage_101_bullet_damage/

[worn mango]

Didn't realize the word amplify is it's own multiplier, interesting

[onyx sage]

it depends on the stat

even then "amplify" can mean a few different things

like the multiplier stacks additively or exponentially for example

[worn mango]

Yeah, each section is it's own multiplicative made up of add and multi. Makes sense

[onyx sage]

beware of some wrong wording as well

most notorious is striker for saying it gives TWD when it's an additive amp

[dreamy valve]

Rate this build

[worn mango]

I guess I'd have to try and calc it myself just to completely understand how it works. I do always hate relying on others to theory craft stuff

I like seeing the math in front of me instead of the theoretical

[versed summit]

iKia has some very easy to use calcs

as well as some guides on how to use them

I’ve heard good things about Scoobyvi’s spreadsheet but I’m an old dog that is hesitant to learn new tricks ig

[worn mango]

lol

See I like making my own stuff too just because I'll understand my formatting

[versed summit]

i mean, I understand the format pretty easily. the formulas, no. lol

[worn mango]

I'm just backtracking my Elmo now. I think it makes sense that the base gun has 44,191 damage (I think)

Which is exactly the M4 damage in this season so yeah, that is exactly it

[versed summit]

yep

[worn mango]

So all things considered, Elmo actually gets a bit of a buff too with damage

But less crit and mag

[onyx sage]

this is what you should strive for yeah. almost anything that's said here can be fact-checked with some basic knowledge about how damage works

[glossy scarab]

im kinda miffed about f2000. i been loving that thing

[magic pilot]

Technically nothing is multiplicative in the way most people would use it

[urban latch]

It's getting a buff to burst damage

[glossy scarab]

oh thanks i missed that part

[magic pilot]

Shield splinter getting a buff

[worn mango]

57k less DPS on F2k

[onyx sage]

here's a hot take: weapon damage is multiplicative

[magic pilot]

By YT standards yea🤣

[solar sable]

Some of my Hunters got bugged and never spawned, I guess I'm not getting Shield Splinterer 😔

[versed summit]

yeah thats what it looks like to me…

[versed summit]

i hate that

[magic pilot]

Have someone drop it

[solar sable]

I mostly play when everyone is sleeping or working, and barely know active agents

[versed summit]

can you drop me shield slpinterer?

[magic pilot]

I do not have it lol, someone dropped me it

Unless you mean on ps 🙂

[tulip charm]

If you boost me 😊

[worn mango]

Would you just party up, go buy one and then drop it?

[versed summit]

I will tuck that away king

[magic pilot]

You have to open the crate on a new character @worn mango

Works for hunter killer as well (rip)

[versed summit]

tbh I don’t care enough on PS lol

[worn mango]

Ah, had no idea

[autumn yacht]

just missing a decoy and the servers will be yours

[worn mango]

I have it myself but would have had no idea how to share it lol

[magic pilot]

The crate is tagged the same as any other loot, so it's like opening a box in open world and sharing

[magic pilot]

@solar sable there ya go

Teach him through it

[onyx sage]

idk man, the positive damage guy should be dealing the most damage

i hate how they haven't fixed this bug yet

[solar sable]

I still don't get this:
If someone buys an item from a Vendor, can it be dropped to group members?
I'm pretty certain it cannot be

[versed summit]

it cannot

[solar sable]

And Shield Splint cannot be acquired via farming, just from a vendor that I don't remember it's name

[versed summit]

cassie

the gunrunner

[solar sable]

ty, her.
and how come he can share me one of those? I mean, I've shared Nemesis to players that don't have the blueprint or similar

[versed summit]

you share the one you get fro the crate

[onyx sage]

yes i know that bug

[worn mango]

So ideally I'd just have to be level 40 on a new character and then party up with people who don't have it? @solar sable when I do a new character I'll let you know and we you can grab it from me

[dreamy valve]

Will be fixed soon:™️:

[onyx sage]

i call it "air support"

[solar sable]

Ohhh, many months stuck with Splinter's quest and this was just the answer?
Where are you from? So I can party with ya in a couple hours

[worn mango]

Oh I don't have another level 40, I won't be doing that for awhile lol

Unless you can just come into my game and grab the chest even though I've opened it many moons ago

[solar sable]

I can carry a mule

[autumn yacht]

it took them longer to patch a server crashing exploit than to patch the last xp farm 😭

[magic pilot]

He can probably boost you in under an hour

[worn mango]

That's true. Is there a technique for that?

[solar sable]

Lincoln Memorial with directives

[worn mango]

Oh yeah and then you just hop in at missions end huh

[magic pilot]

Whatever is invaded that's fast usually

[worn mango]

I do need other level 40's for watch and inventory mules too

My materials are gonna take a beating in a few weeks lol

[solar sable]

we can do those
my 12pm is <t:1726768800:t> for you

[worn mango]

Deleted my other visuals. Here's the burst and sustained for AR's now

[vestal ibex]

DCD invaded all directives, have them join at boss room. Takes 6 clears.

My fastest was 5:30 and you could have a few people do it.

[solar sable]

I like juicy stuff, ty

[worn mango]

SIG looking nice now all things considered

And C7 was already good

@solar sable accept friend request

[versed summit]

it really wasn’t lol

[worn mango]

It was for HB because of laser

M4 and Kingbreaker probably still gonna be better but overall buff for C7 is great

[magic pilot]

imo honey badger for llp

p416 or fal good too

[versed summit]

fal has always been good, but the mag does hurt it

[versed summit]

i don’t see it. It already hurts too much from lack of mods

[magic pilot]

p416 is best gun not lacking anywhere

[red island]

so the aug is the best dps now for ar ?

i really hate that gun ngl

[magic pilot]

f2k wins still

intrested to see invisible hand vs shield splinterer

[red island]

aight then

[versed summit]

tbh aug

22% rof

and extra mod

so strong

[urban latch]

Absolute dog shit accuracy though

[red island]

yeah thats a pb

[versed summit]

the handling mods seem kinda worth it, which could make a difference? big if

[worn mango]

Well it all really depends. Ceska taking away a bit of crit chance might make you need to one run, and you'll still probably wanna run a big mag, so that takes out two attachments

But I can't quantify all the attachment changes without knowing which guns they go on lol

[versed summit]

well there’s no CHC mags lol

[worn mango]

No no, but lots of chc attachments elsewhere

[versed summit]

we’ll be crit starved again

[worn mango]

lol

[magic pilot]

Everything is gonna be well under on crit besides high end smg builds

[worn mango]

I think if you're high 40's with an AR you'll be happy

[versed summit]

eh

[magic pilot]

I won't

[tulip charm]

Oh wheres teh number chart

[worn mango]

It also looks like chc mods will be used instead of chd since there's no buff to chc attachments

[magic pilot]

^

[worn mango]

Ty. I have the other ones too if anyone needs them

[versed summit]

ah true, chc mods/attributes on gear so we can use CHD mods on weapons

[tulip charm]

I want to see the lmg and smgs

[worn mango]

Sure

[versed summit]

i think

any thoughts on Hardwired? the 5 second cooldown is nuts

[magic pilot]

Probably need chc on both

[tulip charm]

wait

[magic pilot]

Skills in general suck still so

[worn mango]

CHC attachments and mods?

[tulip charm]

You're saying smg-9 is becoming the best smg?

[versed summit]

well, sometimes

[tulip charm]

👀

[versed summit]

hmmmmmmmm

[magic pilot]

Sadly oxy doesn't work well with hardwire

[worn mango]

Second highest burst but really low sustain

[tulip charm]

I like the look of it

tiny lil gun xd

[versed summit]

there’s gotta be skills that will though

[worn mango]

@magic pilot the only reason I think that CHD attachments will be good is they're going from 5% to 10%. Might be able to sneak one on

[magic pilot]

Cluster seeker is about it and the extra speed doesn't help the lack of dmg

[magic pilot]

Problem is that overall chc is lowered from brands

So we will end up having to compensate

I wonder if the original dev team ever checks on the game and sees what bs they are doing

[worn mango]

Right now with no attachments, and 6% from mask/chest and then a theoretical 6.5 from ceska, you'd be at 29.5% CHC

And 10% from watch

[magic pilot]

That's terrible

[worn mango]

So essentially have to make up 24.5 if you wanna get to 54 with a Coyote

So you'd get 5-15 from gun attachments and 6-18 from mods

[rich lotus]

"8.33% status effects" dont really care about any changes, but seeing the number 8.33% is highly offensive to me

[worn mango]

lol

[versed summit]

that’s incredibly based

[worn mango]

I think we took for granted how easy it was to max CHC on AR's

And then also have easily 150+ CHD

[rich lotus]

Habsburg Guard 15HSD -> 13HSD

AI created this patch

[worn mango]

But you get +5 status on 3 piece

Huge

[magic pilot]

Big changes

[magic pilot]

Absolutely

Feels like pre-wony now

[versed summit]

fair lol

[rich lotus]

Gear 1.0... DO IT MASSIVE DO IT

[magic pilot]

Gear 4.0 ~ all changes made after gear 1.0 are now reverted

[rich lotus]

unfathomably based

[hexed steppe]

Wait, what all lost chc. Ceska/ providence /elmo

[magic pilot]

Yea that's it

Gearsets are taking the biggest hit which I think was intentional

[versed summit]

i’d say high end is taking the hardest it

the bonuses got halved lol

[hexed steppe]

So 3.5% loss in chc makes it that hard to hit proper crit?or 8.5% if using elmo?

[versed summit]

well

[magic pilot]

Nah we were talking about swapping chc mods on weapons to chd

[rich lotus]

Honestly just looks like the gear data was fed to a prompt "determine optimal combinations and eliminate outliers"

[worn mango]

@hexed steppe it was more with a high end AR, what you'd need to do if using the 'standard' striker as I was looking at it

[flint wave]

high end never needed crit chance

this is a target to the gearsets

[rich lotus]

which is fine because bots dont have personal preferences and understand the nuances of the game. would have been a lot worse if a human made these changes 🙂

[worn mango]

I think Elmo is still going to be absolutely viable. It's gonna get better DPS in burst/sustain but just have worse attachments

[hexed steppe]

Oic. Good thing I'm a nego fanboy anyways

[worn mango]

lol

[versed summit]

eh, not compared to a good m4 with a damage talent tbh.

we’ll see

[worn mango]

Well that's the thing. 50 round M4 with a good talent seems juicy

[hexed steppe]

How's carbine 7 gonna stack up in the proposed changes ?

[flint wave]

people seem to forget elmos talent is a good talent

[worn mango]

It's good but not great

Utilitarian

[flint wave]

it's free cc every 2nd to 3rd mag

[worn mango]

5.56% burst increase, 12.12% sustained increase

[worn mango]

Here if you'd like to see how all the AR's change

[hexed steppe]

Is this able to sort overall best to worst, raw dps anyways

[worn mango]

Burst?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah

[worn mango]

Here ya go

F2000 being able to get 60 rounds was kinda silly all things considered

[versed summit]

uh

[versed summit]

well enough

[flint wave]

?

[hexed steppe]

Much appreciated

[rich lotus]

1886 25% damage increase. no determined nerf. lol my sides

[worn mango]

Absolutely

[tulip charm]

oh honey badger is finally viable

[magic pilot]

Eh

Not worth the mod loss, especially with ceska nerf

[rich lotus]

can now use 1886 determined in legendary with a 25% increase in damag

[magic pilot]

That pushes it over the threshold?

[rich lotus]

yep

[magic pilot]

Oh shit and it works with aces

[tulip charm]

yeah

[rich lotus]

23Mil + 25% = > 26 Million LOL Regnbue is gonna be so mad at how many "cheaters" are in Legendary missions

[tulip charm]

is that with determined?

[rich lotus]

yes

[tulip charm]

Thats insane

[worn mango]

So instead of using an MMR you just use 1886?

[rich lotus]

yup

[worn mango]

But hotshot/determined/headhunter

[magic pilot]

Aces and eights also works with rifles now

[worn mango]

Yeesh

[rich lotus]

1886 is the absolute fastest TTK weapon on multiple enemies bar like... artillery turret and its not even close

[tulip charm]

Well ig I know what to do after the pts

[flint wave]

rifle meta would be insane

[rich cosmos]

Begging for it not to receive any nerfs before release

[tulip charm]

Dread it, Run from it. Rifle meta has return.

[rich cosmos]

Rifles need their comeback

[urban latch]

That's so dumb....

[rich cosmos]

Pretty sure if you listen close enough you can hear the death whistle

[magic pilot]

Aces being changed to rifles is a huge buff on its own

[rich cosmos]

Rifles coming out of the trash to curbstomp the enemies

[rich lotus]

my comments didnt even take that into effect too

[flint wave]

nah this stuff actually gonna break the game

long range one shots in the body except you get to use a shield and you can move while shooting

[rich lotus]

also worth noting, im pretty sure all decimals round up for mag sizes so 1886 + eagles grasp goes from 6 rounds to 10 rounds with patch

"cheaters" we eating GOOD

[tulip charm]

wait whats with the cheater comment

I need context

[rich lotus]

its just a joke, Regnbue (who i do like) constantly refers to the determined talent as cheating

[tulip charm]

Oh