td2-build-advice

[urban latch]

Well if your interested in improving, you know what you need to do

You can't function like that lol. There's zero control over making the tiny adjustments you need to make to aim

[onyx sage]

^^^^ first step, lower your dpi

[bleak thunder]

That's y I cut the speed down in game I think it's at half sens

[onyx sage]

nah. lower your dpi, increase game sens to compensate

[vestal ibex]

Can also get an Elmo. Then you have much less recoil to manage.

[bleak thunder]

And man changing dpi is gonna be a mission

I can't get the elmo

[urban latch]

Does your mouse have buttons/settings where you can change your DPS? That way you can have a certain dpi setting for your desktop vs in game

[onyx sage]

then you get into the territory of moving your arm vs your wrist that takes more practice

[bleak thunder]

I spent all day trying to get it to drop no luck

Yes my mouse is logi g903

[onyx sage]

all that stuff have guides online

[urban latch]

There's no hard rule on what your sensitivity should be, it's ultimately preference, but your currently just so past what's realistic it's a bit of a joke....

[bleak thunder]

I mean the mouse goes to 25k dpi so I didn't think I had it high at all

[urban latch]

Like you really want to be measuring the distance your mouse is moving in inches, not the thickness of hairs

[bleak thunder]

Ima run out of mouse pad moving that much lol

[urban latch]

How big is the mouse pad your playing on?

[bleak thunder]

Not very big

It's the power play pad

From logi

I'm on the edge of it most times already lol

[urban latch]

Are you going edge to edge?

[bleak thunder]

No can't reach the other side based on my setup

And how do u play this slow

[onyx sage]

then there are bigger problems

[bleak thunder]

Holly crap 800 dpi and 4 sens is crazy

[onyx sage]

you need good room to move your mouse in

[magic pilot]

i paly 800 dpi and 25 sens

[urban latch]

You should be aiming with your arm, not your wrist

[onyx sage]

400 dpi 25 sens here

it good

[vestal ibex]

It's what I use in all my videos lol

[bleak thunder]

U can't even move the mouse around the screen damn

[onyx sage]

you can have separate dpi in game vs outside

[urban latch]

It's going to take some time to adjust when the difference is that dramatic, it's going to feel weird

[magic pilot]

nvm 800 dpi and 15 sens

10 for aiming

[bleak thunder]

Ya I have a dpi switch on the mouse I just dropped it to 800

I just feel so slow

[onyx sage]

it takes time to learn. trust us it's for the better

everyone goes through that

[urban latch]

Everyone replying right now has videos on YT of us playing, and I promise the aim doesn't look slow

[bleak thunder]

I need to be able to turn around in under a second to block rounds

[magic pilot]

its honestly too fast for most players still tbh

[bleak thunder]

This is gonna be rough

[vestal ibex]

I'd go for a middle ground honestly. Just trim it down or up until you have a happy medium.

[bleak thunder]

I'm a tank at heart

[vestal ibex]

Somewhere you can control your recoil and have fine aim while also feeling fast. There is also the option to go slow aim/fast look around.

[bleak thunder]

Just no need for a tank in this game sadly

I had a god tank build in div 1 it was able to do falcons lost solo apart from needing a hand pressing buttons

So I got used to turning fast to block everything

I even got that damn clown mask no one could get

I already reverted back

I can't aim it's way to slow for me

[vestal ibex]

Maybe just tune it down a bit every day or couple days.

[urban latch]

What is suggest is to figure out a sensitivity that you can turn 360 on the area of space your mouse has to move.

You also don't have to make the whole jump in 1 go, you can adjust in steps to get used to it, working your way down.

[bleak thunder]

Gonna take a while I've been at this dpi for years and years

[urban latch]

How has your aim been for those years?

[bleak thunder]

Most games I'm a top player I think I'm just that rusty at div, I mean I'm still hitting 80-90% of what I'm shooting I just really don't like the stack mechanic

U can't miss at all lol

[onyx sage]

not really... it's very forgiving

[bleak thunder]

And I see most of u guys shoot like a laser

[onyx sage]

well before elmo existed, there was famas. as long as you could control the vertical recoil it was a laser

idk if you tried that

[bleak thunder]

I did, ended up liking the F2000 better

[urban latch]

F2000 is my favorite high end AR right now

[bleak thunder]

I guess my issue is I'm a tank and can't be happy with any other build I make lol so be it ima just have to deal

[onyx sage]

4 goats

[magic pilot]

lost a ton of time but still sub 8

not pb

[vast lantern]

Hell yeah, 🔷 gang.

[mint axle]

69% accuracy, nice

[surreal depot]

bro has 3/10 of my sens

[vestal ibex]

Huge desk mat and 80% keyboard does wonders.

[vestal ibex]

Get me new pb pls

[surreal depot]

summer project 😔

[magic pilot]

we were so close to pb

couple more runs today

[hexed steppe]

im not alone anymore , 3600, sens 25

[bleak thunder]

Glad I'm not the only one with high dpi

[hexed steppe]

ive tried lowering it and it always felt like shit. my mortars always hit their mark regardless 😂

[urban latch]

We've already had this same discussion with local lol

[tulip charm]

800 dpi and 50 ingame sens iirc

😦

[red island]

i got like 400 dpi xd

[vestal ibex]

Regardless of who you are moving your mouse a distance that you need high precision measuring devices to record is going to net you poor aim. If you do it cause you can't be bothered to move your hand and wanna finger tip it and that nets you a 360 turn in 1/2 an inch then so be it. Just don't expect great aim.

[hexed steppe]

yeah ik 😂

[vestal ibex]

I can't imagine driving a car where the wheel turned 1/8th of a rotation put me at full lock but it'd probably not be the best drive ever.

[urban latch]

Yeah but think how fast you could turn your car

[jagged marlin]

I play with 3000 dpi and 4

[urban latch]

Also keep in mind how high yours is, he is roughly twice as fast

[jagged marlin]

Higher the sens, harder the mechanical aspect of the game is

[vestal ibex]

diff between Ryoona and local here is 4 times.

[hexed steppe]

yeah, its hard making a drastic change compared to what youre used to. it wont feel right till youve built the muscle memory again... about 60 reps

[jagged marlin]

I used to play at like 6700 dpi, siege sens 5. Had to slowly bring it down, like 500 dpi each month

[onyx sage]

so pro

i dropped siege before y6

[jagged marlin]

No because I was too lazy to move my hand around

flicks are possible and doable at high dpi, tracking is where you suffer

[tulip charm]

damn why do you hate yourself playing siege

[onyx sage]

well i came to this game

[tulip charm]

Ah a masochist

[vestal ibex]

This bad boi lets you see what you're inch/360 is and it's an interesting comparison when you do your inch divided by 360 to see the actual amount you need to move your mouse to perform 1 degree of rotation.

In locals case it's just .002 of an inch. Paper is about .004.

[jagged marlin]

I tend to use this it generally has more games added to it

[vestal ibex]

In Ryoonas case it's like .011 and for myself it's .042 movement for a 1 degree of rotation.

It's just interesting to think about.

[bleak thunder]

Ya I just move fingers to aim I move nothing else

[jagged marlin]

For div you could probably work with overall lower sens easily because you rarely have to aim vertically

[hexed steppe]

i measured this before 😂 , ~1.5-2cm a 360

[bleak thunder]

Shit I'm prob half that then

[hexed steppe]

yeah, most likely. im the same way, i dont like moving the mouse much

[bleak thunder]

It's all in ur finger work lol

[vestal ibex]

It's preference mostly but above a certain point you don't have a level of fine adjustment needed to make precise movements.

[bleak thunder]

Oh I'm not disagreeing, it's just going to be a very hard adjustment that will take a yearish to do lol

[vestal ibex]

Meh, I just did it and within a weekish I was good.

It's like when controller peeps move to MNK, you just gotta do it.

[bleak thunder]

From 6400 dpi? Changing 500 dpi lower a month?

And from my understanding when I first got the mouse I was told to crank up the mouse dpi and lower the in-game sens till it felt good as the higher the dpi the better the tracking. Again this is what I was told I have no idea how true it is

@urban latch sent me a yt about getting the best setup for yourself that I want to go through later and see if I can find a better setting for me

Mouse dpi and sens setting*

[vestal ibex]

DPI just means dots per inch, basically how many pixels per inch, it doesn't really help having it higher by any means. On that front polling rate of the mouse matters more, basically how often does it update the movement.

[bleak thunder]

Ah I see guess I'll have to dig into mouse settings

[vestal ibex]

Regardless of it all if you want to stay finger moving with no wrist or arm you might just wanna look into lowering the aim sensitivity and keeping the look high so you can have a bit of both.

[bleak thunder]

I can try that first

[urban latch]

That's a common suggestion so you can move your mouse around as quickly as you prefer, while keeping your aim to a reasonable amount. You just kinda took it to the extreme and I'm not sure you did the second part lol.

Also comparing "X dpi at Y sensitivity" is really hard to compare everyone's different combinations. That's why it's generally easier to compare how much physical movement your doing to complete a comparable task, like spinning your aim in a complete 360. Doing a 360 with 4-5 inches of mouse movement is considered pretty high sensitivity, so when your doing that in less than an inch your just out if this world high

[bleak thunder]

I always drop a games sens in half when I start it as a rule of thumb

I mean my mouse goes to 25k dpi so at the time when I started and got used to it I thought 6400 was low

[magic pilot]

The change is honestly not as big as people think, hard part is going back and forth

[hexed steppe]

way late response, but nego is really solid for general dps. it lacks a little single target damage compared striker, but it makes up for it in target rich environment and no stacks like striker.

[magic pilot]

Can also use vigi to make up for that drop

[hexed steppe]

could, could also just use striker if needed. im all nego bag, sometimes memento tho

[onyx sage]

could also use brazen six12

[pallid current]

Does anyone know a good build for just being in cover and shooting from cover

[versed summit]

Striker?

[solar sable]

Umbra?

[versed summit]

You have to leave cover for umbra

Constantly

So it’s very bad for shooting in cover tbh

Not that shooting from cover a lot makes sense

Maybe I’m taking it to literally

[pallid current]

Could you pair that with sawyer kneepad?

[versed summit]

Now you’re stuck behind cover and have to stay still.

It’s not super worth it but yes

[pallid current]

Kk

Which sorry i ask alot of bad questions and crappy builds theres reason behind my madness

[solar sable]

We were all at that point my man, no need to apologise :)

[pallid current]

Lol thx

[hexed steppe]

negotiators or hotshot sniper

sawyers would work with hotshot, but it wont be needed. youll still be 1shoting

[chrome knoll]

whats is good skill build? and tank build?

[solar sable]

📌 Spreadsheet

[exotic saddle]

I'm currently building a new build called a Blue Striker build.

I'm currently gathering the pieces needed for it, but once completed, it will look like this:

4x Striker Battlegear gear set. (Mask and Chest have RED Cores, Holsters and Kneepads have BLUE Cores.

Belstone Armoury Gloves. (Blue Core)

Memento Backpack. (That thing has a RED, BLUE and YELLOW Core)

Is that a viable build for PvE, mainly so I can start running the Summit and missions on Heroics?

(This gives me 3 RED Cores, 4 BLUE Cores, and 1 Skill Tier)

[patent fossil]

Viable for solo yeah, it'll be somewhat weak in groups though.
I'd recommend eagle bearer if you have it with that build, the extra damage reduction is rather useful for letting you get up close and keep pushing (enemies will still shred you with 4 blues if you stay out of cover for too long without a shield)

[exotic saddle]

How would it be weak in group? Doesn't Memento gives you buffs that stacks up to 30 times?

If anything, the longer you fight, the stronger you would get, no?

[patent fossil]

Enemy health is higher so the damage you lose from having more blue cores instead of red becomes more significant, memento stacks don't give as much damage as striker backpack, and if your teammates kill enemies then you don't get trophies.

[hexed steppe]

Consider ceska over belstone. Being blue cores you'll need every shot to have the best chance at being a crit.
Or
Possible secondary option of picaros for a red and blue core.

[red island]

yes but in group enemies get a whole lot stronger, so you'd still be weaker overall

for example in raids enemies are super tanky despite it being normal difficulty

because there are 8 players to account for

[hexed steppe]

tbf memento is a really solid piece, but you will be trading some crit and damage for the skill efficiency and regen. on an all blue core build, the 45% from red core and long buff will be pretty good. the bonus armor will be kinda huge as long as you can get the kills. luckily 2 loadouts can be saved to hotswap as needed if it isnt working out.

if setup proper, it can still be used in a team. ive used memento a lot in teams and it isnt an issue as long as playing smart. this being said it would be worth utilizing a shield, probably tech class and artificer and maybe shift a couple blues to red to give a good balance.

it would be worth looking into hunters fury as that plays well with memento, doesnt require stacking, and gearset isnt getting a reduced damage by not using the gearset bag.

(obv its not gonna be good in a raid/incursion)

[magic pilot]

Maybe throw bloodsucker in?

Def drop the belstone for ceska @exotic saddle

If you want I can send you a video using my hunter's fury build, similar to what local is suggesting

So you can kinda see how to utilize the extra tankyness and memento

[pastel crane]

Okay, I'm trying to grind Tip of The Spear for a Hollywood Build. Any attributes I should look for TOTS gear pieces?

[hexed steppe]

gear that isnt tots gear

[pastel crane]

Nice try

[hexed steppe]

better hardwire or highend. youll get grenade launcher ammo regardless

seeker spam with hardwire will have you wiping shit out

[hexed steppe]

the thing with hollywood as it generates spec ammo, so using tots is really redundant and pointless. you would be just minimizing the damage you could be doing to generate ammo youll have dropping anyways

[pastel crane]

Alright, fair enough

[hexed steppe]

hardwire could get you 10 sec seeker spam, and pair with stinger hive/btsu and youll be oc sometimes as well

[pastel crane]

Oh, I've been using that with Jammer and Cluster. So I should give it a try with BTSU and Stinger Hive.

[hexed steppe]

stingers nice if in between clusters too. it can be thrown out mid charge in a pinch

its good for proccing feedback loop as well

[onyx sage]

where the skill buckets

gonna need a bucket

[hexed steppe]

its been getting pretty goopy out there today

[fervent lake]

Please increase the stash and backpack inventory!

[hexed steppe]

create all 4 agents. 900 total inventory

[fervent lake]

What is the best build for armor regeneration?

[onyx sage]

and get rid of useless stuff too

[onyx sage]

this is an oxymoron because in pve armor regen builds aren't that useful

[hexed steppe]

check the pinned spreadsheet in this channel for pretty much all useful builds. easy way to build in some armor regen would be using memento bag

[fervent lake]

Can you send me the link?

[hexed steppe]

#td2-build-advice message

[drifting dawn]

what one should i use with ninja backpack

[solar sable]

I have a better answer
Don't use NinjaBike

[drifting dawn]

but i want to

skill plus damage

[solar sable]

wait a second, they're both the same %

You're comparing the same piece instead of the red/yellow one lol

[drifting dawn]

sorry miss click

[solar sable]

I'd say keep the one equipped

[mint axle]

I'd say use empress and change health for skill damage

[drifting dawn]

what does skill eff do exactly?

[onyx sage]

waiting for @hexed steppe

[mint axle]

1% skill eff= 1 skill DMG, 1 skill haste, 1 skill duration and 1 skill repair.

[exotic saddle]

My new build.

Caméléon and a Shotgun.

4x Striker Battleground.

Fenris AB Group Gloves.

Memento.

Crusader Shield with a Mine

[solar sable]

oh dear Lord

[exotic saddle]

Not PvP btw

[drifting dawn]

thx

[red island]

yeah but dont expect it to be good or even decent, ninja is bad

[hexed steppe]

Skill efficiency is % in all "skill buckets"

[hexed steppe]

Also status effects and skill health

[hexed steppe]

If you have tech class unlocked you can give your shield another skilltier for free, the artificer hive attached to tech class would passively heal your shield every 10 seconds without ever dropping it.
Other shills wont be horrible or anything since you'll have memento skill efficiency beefing stuff up , but artificer will synergize with what your aiming for

[magic pilot]

@exotic saddle personally, if you want to use chameleon don't run it on striker its already low on upfront dmg and you are running it with memento and chameleon, I highly suggest changing the primary

striker tech tank

[vast fulcrum]

My current build as of right now. I feel like it’s kinda garbage at where it’s at, so I’m just tryna farm for gear.

[exotic saddle]

Go do the Summit, best place to farm gear

[solar sable]

Wrong, it's Countdown. Summit is slower and boring/repetitive.

[exotic saddle]

Countdown is only worth it on Heroics

[solar sable]

Countdown gives you more chances to get the piece and rolls you need rather than one, maybe two or three, piece(s) per floor.

[red island]

meh

countdown is slow and boring

[solar sable]

That is not the only thing that CD offers.

[red island]

tbh

if cd didnt give credits for exo

i wouldnt even touch it

even tho it does, i still barely touch it

[solar sable]

If you want a build, you prefer going for 4 hours of Summit and not get the rolls you want?
Absolutely not. Everyone recommends Countdown over Summit because of the drop quantity and CD Req.
I think I speak for the veterans here (I'm not one): Localdeck, rotor blades, PvP Guy AKA Prodigy and many other agents here.

Countdown is a newbie friendly mode that doesn't require much knowledge

If you say that Countdown is slow maybe it's because the groups you get are slow and sometimes inefficient.

[onyx sage]

it's one thing to not recommend countdown because it's boring, it's another to say it's inefficient. yes in some very rare cases, but generally no. and recommending a new player to play summit because it's less boring than countdown (which itself is debatable) is in bad faith because you want a new player to get their stuff faster

and heroic countdown realistically only beats challenging in currency gain

if you want loot, just do challenging

[exotic saddle]

Countdown is only worth if if you play it on Heroics because otherwise, the loot drop frequency is very low.

I can easily get into Countdown on Heroics and have 3-4 loot drop per encounter...

But, since it's on Heroics, if your build is shit or you simply don't have a build... Tough luck...

Summit is better because it's newer player friendly and you can choose what you want to drop, so if you need a specific thing, you can choose to have said thing drop from bosses and crates

[solar sable]

You can choose your loot at Countdown too ?????

[red island]

tbh id rather do 100 floors of summit than a single cd run

i didnt say its inefficient tho

just slow and boring

sure the loot is better but my sanity is worth more

[glad heart]

I happen to agree with you. Except floor 100 has become a nightmare since they took out the choke point.....

[red island]

also summit has legendary

yeah last floor is a pain

but i would just reset the entire thing

[exotic saddle]

@solar sable Ill give it to you, Countdown also allows you to choose your loot drop...

HOWEVER...

At most, you get 5 loot drop. (1 per encounter and 2 from the crates)

On Heroics, you can get up to 10+ loot drop, since each encounter will spawn 3 enemies that drop loot + the crates.

Ontop of that, Countdown only last 15 minutes AND depending on your raid size, you can fight up to 16 hunters, and the occasional hunter spawn...

Summit is better because in 10 floors, you get 3 Summit Crates, a boss encounter per 10 floors, and starting at floor 70+, you get a Elite Squad encounter every 3 floors, ontop of the Summit Crates, bosses and occasional side rooms that drop loots.

And then, you can put it on Legendary to get god drop...

Summit is just better in everyway, the only thing Countdown has is the ability to buy crates with the money

[onyx sage]

the extraction wave drops a lot more than you give it credit for, and you don't just get 1 named enemy

[solar sable]

I like the way that was described

[glad heart]

And in Summit, you don't need a mob, often of questionable skill levels, you can run it solo.

[hexed steppe]

pulling 50+ targeted items + named drops each run + exotic caches purchased make countdown, even challenging a superior farming method to summit... there is absolutely no comparison 🤔

the only time is was somewhat comparable was when f10 was able to be run, and that was from stacking proficiency caches, not drops

[exotic saddle]

In 1 hour, I can easily clear over 30-40 Summit floors.

That's 13 Summit Crates...

4-6 Elite Squad Encounter...

4 bosses encounter...

20-30 loot room

[hexed steppe]

summit is good for farming bighorn tho

[exotic saddle]

True dat

[hexed steppe]

ive done a lot of summit. im quite aware of the returns

it a valid method, dont get me wrong, but its just apples to oranges comparison

[wheat anchor]

Summit is nice assuming you can actually handle the hunters

Though the whole floor 10 legendary boss farming is a thing

[red island]

why even bother with hunters tho

just reset the entire thing

hunters are not worth doing

[glad heart]

They patched out the floor 10 exploit, if that is what you are refering to.

[red island]

no?

people still do it

[wheat anchor]

You're defo doing it wrong then

I've never bothered with it and never need to

I got some stupid luck in DZ

[onyx sage]

xp exploit is patched, bighorn farming is still valid

[glad heart]

I grabbed the bighorn the last time i did legendary floor 100, before they removed the choke point though

[onyx sage]

• field recon data too, it's a good farm for that

[wheat anchor]

How would xp have been exploited if you have to clear all the adds

[red island]

i have so much field recon data

im at cap idk what to do with it

[onyx sage]

expertise

[wheat anchor]

Or optimise

[red island]

im way too low on materials to do that

[upper gale]

No it works still

Any 10th floor

[tulip charm]

I see people do floor 90 farm. Devs only patched the exp from floor 10.

[magic pilot]

The xp is still patched on 90 iirc

[hexed steppe]

All boss floors will only give xp on first clear.

[tulip charm]

Yeah but you don’t want to clear floor 90 if you’re using it to farm it.

[harsh finch]

Opinions for Striker Incursion build: Contractor's gloves for DtA...or Fox's knees for DtTooC?

[vestal ibex]

Grupo/ceska/coytoes imo. Really it all comes out to be within ~1% DPS for most of these setups in the end so it doesn't matter and it certainly matters less than your ability to properly stack and maintain stacks in fights.

[hexed steppe]

ofc for farming gear. it just seemed like you were implying only f10 got xp nerfed, when its really all boss floors getting the same adjustment. 🍻

[fallen garnet]

yesterday i played on legendary and there was an immortal mate, he had build with healing shots and shield, also he was getting a lot of extra prot

somebody know what build im talking about?

[gentle lichen]

Were they in the enemy's face with a bulwark shield/artificer hive?

[fallen garnet]

that hive revive you?

i think so

or he was changing his abilitys in middle of combat xd

[gentle lichen]

No it repairs the shield every 10 secs

[fallen garnet]

yeah, but most of the times he was surviving without shield

[onyx sage]

the problem with that is if he's using a shield then he has to give some of his build budget to make the shield worth using, and the shield itself will take extra damage from explosives

and if you said he was surviving without shield it's probably not that obvious to you that he knows how to maneuver the enemies enough to actually survive

and the problem with that is using those movement techniques on a full red build will also let you survive, so that tank build isn't necessary to begin with

[fallen garnet]

he was 10k shd xd

[onyx sage]

shd doesn't matter

you have godly 2k shd and idiotic 20k shd

[red island]

i met people over 10k shd that didnt know how talents on gear and wepaons worked

[vestal ibex]

SHD is an indicator of play time.

[red island]

and nothing else

[pastel crane]

Obviously.

On the other hand, my clan leader is around 26k SHD level

[vestal ibex]

And the possibility that someone who is 1k SHD can out perform them in every aspect is there.

[red island]

im the only one with shd levels in my clan xd

nobody else is playing now

[pastel crane]

I was gonna make a snide remark if your clan is dead, but you beat me to it lmao

[onyx sage]

i should get loop 40 with the other account

[red island]

i just died at loop 6

[onyx sage]

i don't blame you cuz it's gluttony

[red island]

yeah

i hate descent

[onyx sage]

i just hate gluttony

the other rotations are good

[bleak thunder]

Is there a build that's good for solo bc this striker build has zero survivability

Everything kills me so quick even red guys

[patent fossil]

You could throw on a few blue cores, maybe memento...
Or you could use it as an exercise to improve your play skills: cover use, target prioritising, situational awareness etc

[red island]

yeah you're not supposed to facetank

[bleak thunder]

I'm using cover and I'm rushes by everyone it has nothing to do with my playstyle

[red island]

only rushers do the rushing thing

others dont unless you put yourself at risk

[patent fossil]

There's a guy who solos legendary strongholds with all red builds, not even a shield or revive hive, it's just a case of knowing how to play (and where the enemies are coming from)

[bleak thunder]

Tell that to the drone girls they didn't get the memo

[red island]

shoot the drone ?

[bleak thunder]

Thanks for the build help

[red island]

the build isnt the problem

your playstyle is

if you let enemies get close without shooting them its not the build that will change anything

[pastel crane]

Builds can help, but it's the playstyle that makes the difference

[bleak thunder]

If I'm doing a cp and I'm surrounded bc rando encounters join it's me???

But ok again thanks ill find a new build

[red island]

yes ??? no build will change enemies from not going around you ???

[bleak thunder]

Dude please move on

[red island]

do you think your build will magically make enemies move differently ?

[bleak thunder]

I started with I would like a better solo build and ur response was get gud

So ok thanks ill figure it out myself

[versed summit]

This doesn't really sound constructive anymore tbh

[red island]

if you have a good solo build it doesnt matter

we can throw 50 builds to make

you wont get a different result

[patent fossil]

I did give other suggestions first ^

[bleak thunder]

Dude move on please

[red island]

we already gave you suggestions

[bleak thunder]

Ur suggestion was change some parts to ur build or get gud. I just want a better solo build that has more survivability then strikers so u didn't really help

I don't want a striker build if that helps

[red island]

you want a better survival build ?

go 4 piece bulwark full blue

enjoy

you will sure survive more with that

[patent fossil]

Literally just striker memento backpack and a couple of extra blue cores will give you more survivability, While still doing enough damage for solo scaling

But if you don't want striker then maybe hunters fury? Comes with more armour on kill to help stay alive, means fighting at close range though

[bleak thunder]

Is there no good dps tank anymore like div 1?

[hazy steeple]

You've just been given 2 incredibly OP DPS tanks.

both stronger than in div1

[patent fossil]

If you've got eagle bearer then that will help with tanking at little cost to dps
But generally there's always a trade off

[hazy steeple]

In the future, let's keep build advice to advice.
And if someone isn't looking for advice on a build and just wants something to copy down, direct them to the spreadsheet.

And for those who just want someone to agree with them, try another server. This one's very math-y.

[bleak thunder]

So it's basically strikers or hunters?

[hazy steeple]

There's a spreadsheet with a number of builds on there that can fill the role you're looking for, also look up a channel called "iKia", he has a bunch more and his own spreadsheet.

[bleak thunder]

The spreadsheet has done what it can for me

I can't find a build I enjoy on that list

[hazy steeple]

You've tried them all, and all the ones in each link?

All 20+?

[bleak thunder]

The ones I was interested in yes

[urban latch]

Are you running a crusader shield?

[bleak thunder]

Even the ep build that I used to love isn't strong anymore

[urban latch]

Isn't strong compared to what? And for what use case?

[bleak thunder]

I used to use it for everything and it was murder but now it struggles to kill a yellow on heroic

It a red guy gets lucky he will live too

[patent fossil]

Is this a new problem just this week? With the global event active?

[bleak thunder]

No I stopped playing shortly after SHD lvl so a lot has changed. I even rebuilt my striker and ep using the spreadsheet

And it's still meh

[hazy steeple]

So you haven't played since March 2020, ish?

[bleak thunder]

About

I started on release

[hazy steeple]

4-5 years is a long time to not play a game, it's probable that you are just not remembering things right.
I don't think that much has been changed to nuke down a build that much.

[urban latch]

Tbh things are way easier now than the period shortly after wony was released

[bleak thunder]

My fire build was op af I wouldn't forget that as all my buddies at the time wanted it bc I was shooting one skill and clearing rooms

[urban latch]

There was a solid period where heroic was on par with his legendary is now

Eclipse or high end?

[bleak thunder]

Eclipse

[urban latch]

Eclipse is just as strong now as when it originally came out, it literally hasn't been touched

[patent fossil]

Sniper build are strong at the moment, you could give those a shot.
Solo you can put a few blue cores on for survivability and still one shot pretty much everything. Or you could run mantis and use decoy to draw fire

[vestal ibex]

Give those a shot, this guy...

[bleak thunder]

I'm max status and skill haste and at the shooting range it can barely kill the group test area

[vestal ibex]

Skill damage/status

[bleak thunder]

It's all one slot

And there is no skill damage mods

[hazy steeple]

@bleak thunder Post a screenshot of your main build page, and one of your stats page.

[vestal ibex]

The electrique item.

[bleak thunder]

So each part is max status

[vestal ibex]

You are wearing the EP backpack right?

[bleak thunder]

Give me a minute I stepped out to go to the store quick

And chest

[vestal ibex]

Yeah, pick me up some beef jerky pls

[bleak thunder]

What kind?

[hazy steeple]

Vegan pls.

[bleak thunder]

So plant jerky?

Idk if we have that here

[hazy steeple]

It's mostly soy actually, but I digress.

I think a bagel is trying to say something, I asume they want to discuss cream cheese.

[bleak thunder]

Must be

[hazy steeple]

@mellow tree Did you need a hand with something?

[mellow tree]

I was just gonna ask what people run on Hollywood

[red island]

i run spear

[mellow tree]

I keep dying cause this darn flamethrower has no range and I have to get in peoples faces

[red island]

with grenade launcher

[bleak thunder]

alright im back home this is my current EP build

[vestal ibex]

Fire sticky yo. I mean that alone will probs change your world.

[bleak thunder]

I have that one already

[vestal ibex]

wat?

[vestal ibex]

sticky bomb=/=fire sticky

[bleak thunder]

it says burn sticky?

am i thinking of the wrong skill?>

[vestal ibex]

idk maybe it displays strange in the stats tab?

[bleak thunder]

Maybe bc I deff checked and it says it's the burn one

[magic pilot]

The equipped stats are showing explosive it looks like

[red island]

yeah the explo one has a red bar

emp has a blue bar

[vestal ibex]

I thought it was fire-red, emp-blue, explosive-yellow.

idk regardless if you are using fire sticky that's good.

[bleak thunder]

I just looked red is explosive

Blue emp yellow fire he's right

[red island]

damn right

😎

[bleak thunder]

Lol

[red island]

renamed for the occasion

[bleak thunder]

The only thing I can see to change is my gloves

It's hard to find a double skill Golan so I can roll the core

Mine is status and haste. I gotta find one that has damage instead of haste

[red island]

i mean if thats the only thing msising, you should be fine

the damage difference wont be much

[urban latch]

It's not a build issue

[bleak thunder]

Ya just the 10% skill damage boost

That's prob what's wrong too

But I didn't think it would be that much of a difference

[vestal ibex]

It's not the build at this point.

[bleak thunder]

I don't use that build yet bc it's not ready

[vestal ibex]

I mean cap would be better vs that shot gun.

[bleak thunder]

I use a striker build

[vestal ibex]

Scorp is godly but cap is just so good for skill builds and hitting armored targets while using fire ep.

[bleak thunder]

Oh u mean the gun cap

I don't have one yet

Or the elmo

[red island]

time to farm then

[bleak thunder]

I have been lol no luck

I've been running countdown and targeting

I was told that's prob the best way to get them

[vestal ibex]

summit project, do 5 summit challenges and it's yours.

[bleak thunder]

Mine says complete 15 floors and I'll get an exotic cache

[patent fossil]

Both are true, and you can do them both together

The capacitor one isn't listed on the projects page but on the summit challenge rewards list

[bleak thunder]

Oh OK so just mm for summit?

[vestal ibex]

About max stacks on cap and fire sticky, 627k per tick.

[vestal ibex]

Just go solo it if you want.

[bleak thunder]

Oh ya ur 100k more damage then mine

So ya I need that gun

Does difficulty matter?

[vestal ibex]

For summit naw.

Just know you have to activate the challenges.

[patent fossil]

Not for the projects, but you'll get better quality loot and xp at higher difficulties of course

[vestal ibex]

So while in summit open your map and the tabs at the top will allow you to see the challenges.

[bleak thunder]

So challenging difficulty so it still drops exotics?

Oh OK the challenge list was my next question

I want to target AR for a chance at the Elmo too

[vestal ibex]

Doing these challenges might only take 15-30 minutes depending on which ones you pick. Just have fun with it ig.

[patent fossil]

You can also deactivate challenges that are part done and it will save progress (unless it's a 'in one session' challenge), so you can for instance activate the crate opening one when you reach a crate then deactivate it and progress something else until you reach the next crate

[bleak thunder]

Oh ok

[vestal ibex]

Crates are on certain floors and you have to find the key for it. Sometimes it's in front of your face and other times it's in a little corner hidden from sight.

[bleak thunder]

The secret key and crate that's like every 5 floors or something?

I member them

[patent fossil]

Yeah, any floor ending in 3, 6 or 9

[bleak thunder]

Ah ya I made it a point to find them ok that's not to hard

[signal pivot]

Anything new/interesting for sniper builds this season?

[solar sable]

Not really, both sets are not great

[hexed steppe]

hopfully youre using the eclipse bag, focus status, on highend add skilldamage too, mods slots haste, add capacitor for 60% skill damage and 12% dta. cappacitor needs to be stacked before applying fire for full benefit

[bleak thunder]

I'm missing the cap still the rest of my gear is setup that way already

[hexed steppe]

you can have cap in max 10 floors

[bleak thunder]

But I didn't know resetting the checkpoint on summit resets my challenge progress so I've wasted the last couple hours

[hexed steppe]

partially complete challenges should survive a reset as long as they arent "within 1 session" or "within 15 minutes" other stuff without a limiter shouldnt* reset

[bleak thunder]

I've done like 6-8 challenges now and it's saying I don't even have reward lvl 1 yet so idk wtf I'm doing wrong but it don't like me

[hexed steppe]

other than cap and spec ,it looks like youre setup like i would. insync mop will be good until getting cap, and as a backup. in teams ill use survivalist since its got a dope nade, and gives teamates 10amp against status affected enemies. solo firewall is good

[hexed steppe]

mortar/stinger hive highend explosives build 😎

[bleak thunder]

Well let's hope I can get to lvl 5 this time

[hexed steppe]

want a hand? im gonna be logging in here in a sec

[red island]

local about to send some npc back to mars

[solar sable]

You mean Mr. MortarNego?

[red island]

shhhh dont summon him i wanna stay alive and not give my soul to lootcifer

[hexed steppe]

too late, he already owns all our souls

[red island]

he will never catch me alive

[hexed steppe]

this sounds a little like a build challenge: china glass, memento, yellow nego w/cap&mop... ill have to see how cursed it is after ge is done so results arent skewed 🤔

[bleak thunder]

I just need to stop resetting the checkpoint just to make it faster

[hexed steppe]

the summit cache challenge, 3 floors in 15min, and couple directive challenges will be really quick. just put it on hard and blast through some stuff

you can do other challenges in between the caches as well, and just swap to the cache challenge before you open a cache

[red island]

if your goal is only the challenges, dont even put it on hard, stay on normal

for the crate crazy, there is a delay, if you activate it you cant open a cache right after

at least thats what i got

[mellow tree]

I’ve seen a yellow negotiators before and it hits hard

[bleak thunder]

Ya I'm on normal and I'm not struggling I just didn't know resetting the checkpoint reset my progress

I'm almost done now

3 more ish floors

[next pulsar]

I've used this build for a min and it's really good. I've been using striker chest over something like glass cannon or obliterate because I think it makes more sense to get that extra 100% for damage vs the 25% you could get from GC of obliterate. The knee pads are fox prayer. I know the crit chance is kind of low but since I have the eagle as my primary shooting from mid range is normal anyway using the coyotes mask. My average crits at full striker bar are 1.2 mil and the non crits are 420k. Anyone have any critiques or improvements?

[red island]

your crit chance is too low tbh, and obliterate is still better, cause striker stacks usually dont need to be above 100 to melt enemies

also obliterate works better with higher chc

if you count on the mask chd you need to be really close, ar isnt optimal for that, ouro is better

[solar sable]

It's a pretty valid setup.

[next pulsar]

being close gives 25% crit dmage, being farther gives crit chance

[red island]

yeah i typed wrong letter

i fixed it

[solar sable]

With the watch's CHC is a lifesaver

[next pulsar]

I have this chest plate I tried using and I compare it with the build I just sent and it just doesn't dish out the same amount of damage

[red island]

with this chest you do more damage before 100 stacks, and in combat i double you go above 100 stacks often

[red island]

well thats higher numbers

as said, until striker stacks get above 100, you'll do more with this

thats a solo build or in group ?

[next pulsar]

Using the build I just sent I'm getting 980k crits and 350k non crits

[next pulsar]

I play solo a lot but i'd use it in group as well

[red island]

without stacks ?

[next pulsar]

max stacks

[red island]

yeah thats what im telling you

under 100 stacks the 2nd build is better

above 100 stacks striker chest is better

also dont get me wrong, both builds are good, its just one is more often applicable

you dont always get above 100 stacks

[next pulsar]

Really? It's easy for me tbh. Between using the aa-12 to get max in a few seconds and the EB just having a large mag and fast fire-rate it's kinda easy to keep it past 100

[red island]

idk, im used to everything dying too fast with striker, i usually dont keep stacks that high

tbh, if you can have both, just test them

in the end, what matter most is what you like, not what is best

if it suits your playstyle better then go for it

its clearly enough to do any activity

[next pulsar]

on the og build I sent my average crits at full striker bar are 1.2 mil and the non crits are 420k. on the second build I sent I'm getting 980k crits and 350k non crits at max

[red island]

well yeah, 200 stacks striker is better than 100 thats obvious

[next pulsar]

Yeah lol. I see why people will use other chest plates seeing as you can have three attributes

[red island]

yeah that too

but tbh having good crit damage isnt great if your crit chance isnt good

if you can reroll some stats to get more chc i think it would be better

50% is usually recommended

[next pulsar]

I agree. but tbh the mask works well for the way I play to help with the crit chance and the fast fire rate makes it common enough to get the crits. I'll try and add some more crit chance. I could also swap the EB for elmo engine

[red island]

with how squichy you are, i think eb is better

[mellow tree]

What’s a good replacement for EB? Currently I’m using Famas with Preservation

[red island]

nothing can do what eb does tbh

take whatever is good as ar and roll with it

[mellow tree]

Yeah. I need to get into some raids and get me those exotics they look so good

[next pulsar]

elmo engine is quite good. They're basically the same AR but EE has better attachments and firerate. However EB has more damage the talent is much better imo as well

They're both pretty accurate but EE is always super accurate. EB gets more accurate as you shoot

[hexed steppe]

youll see these numbers with elmo/ ceska oblit/ coyote/striker- 52chc/173chd

[mellow tree]

Hey that’s my build. Only I’m not optimized so it’s only like 900k on a crit

[hexed steppe]

i should also say like 20-25 expertise

ig 26 expertise now

[solar sable]

pulse expertise upgrades cone size or range?

[hexed steppe]

disorient duration

[bleak thunder]

What's a fast way to increase expertise

[solar sable]

Donating shit

[hexed steppe]

farming countdown. donating to expertise. start with weapons

[mellow tree]

Donations Donation Donations

[red island]

nothing is fast trust me xd

[hexed steppe]

weapons are the biggest hurdle , gear and brand set pieces will drop anyways

[bleak thunder]

I have been donating I'm only at lvl 3 it takes ages

[mellow tree]

I’ve been playing for a year and I’m only at 9 because I use the same 4 builds

[bleak thunder]

So countdown targeting guns

Got it thanks

[red island]

and you're at the easy part, when you're gonna have to expertise named dz exclusives/chrismas items/exotics you're going to be in pain xd

[bleak thunder]

Eww

[hexed steppe]

one of my clan mates did primarily usage with minimal donations when first released and hit exp20 in 2 months

[red island]

not even counting skills, with each variants

not even counting spec weapon

[hexed steppe]

no pain once you have shd level to utilize

[red island]

farming a toon is always a pain imo

[hexed steppe]

nah

[bleak thunder]

I'm shd lvl 446 atm I got a ways to go on shd lvl

[next pulsar]

appreciate u

[red island]

dont bother with that yet then

[hexed steppe]

could just keep grinding shd with all 4 created

[next pulsar]

idk how to get there tbh I'm lvl 1660 and only expertise 7

[red island]

im actively farming expertise and im like lvl 18 after a month

[bleak thunder]

I only got one toon

[hexed steppe]

make all 4. 4x shd gains/projects

[next pulsar]

Is there a video or some shit I need to watch?

[small nimbus]

is ongoing directive good with friends? I want to stay my goofy dmg heartbreaker I made but I want my friend to enjoy being a dps and saw it gave bleed ammo to team I think? Dunno if people run it

[hexed steppe]

you can drain, delete and rerun your alt for a new watch, infinitely

[small nimbus]

YouTube videos are pretty misleading sometimes so I wanna ask here

[red island]

not the best but it works

[bleak thunder]

I don't see me grinding out 4 tools one is more then enough lol

[next pulsar]

I'm not sure what you mean by that

[hexed steppe]

run it like a dps and it can be a good buffer build. future initiative and even cc eclipse can do similar as well

[red island]

u see the scavenging points ? use them on a toon, delete toon, make another, make it lvl 40, poof free scavenging points again

[small nimbus]

hm i wanted to try eclipse too, I’ll try to work on builds for them then

[hexed steppe]

if you create a new agent and get through wony, that agent will have a duplicate watch to your main, including all the scavenging points youve gained. @1600 youll instantly have 800 scavenging to utilize towards optimizing or expertise

ig dont technically need wony now, but you need to achieve the shd watch

[next pulsar]

ohhh shitttt

[hexed steppe]

once that agent is drained, you can delete and rerun another for a fresh watch

[red island]

but its not worth it if you're under lvl 1k shd tbh

the time it takes to farm until 40 is a pain

[hexed steppe]

hes 1600

[red island]

ah, then its fine

[bleak thunder]

What should I do to get my shd lvl up quicker then

[red island]

just play

[next pulsar]

Wait wait I'm confused again. How does that level my expertise up?

[hexed steppe]

wony runs are like 1.5hr max, you should save the defeatism for yourself my guy

[red island]

dont focus on it it will go up

[red island]

not defeatism, its just boring to do on repeat

[bleak thunder]

I get maybe 20 lvls a day

[small nimbus]

I did wony with a group of friends and we all just camped the final boss of each mission for the one we were helping

felt pretty quick

[red island]

yeah if you have friends its super fast

but solo i find it really unfun

especially the intro

[hexed steppe]

you can take shd as cash, buy up 20 of each named item *or weapons in your vendors weekly. this is 30 shd or less per proficient item.
you can also take as cash and buy up skill mods that will self deconstruct into printer filament and use the pf to donate to items you may not have, skills that suck, or spec weapons you dont want to use- this is around 227 shd per proficient item

you can also craft 20x of improvised item, named item, weapon with mats you may already have available. and donate all

[red island]

i dont suggest you donate exotics to farm them tho

thoses are too valuable

[hexed steppe]

for you... not everyone is looking for some negative take on something they might be trying to do.. if you dont have a positive look on things thats fine, but if someones asking about something, just* saying its terrible is really not the way to approach it. especially if you may not be fully informed about things... jus saying

[red island]

lol

[bleak thunder]

damn ima need another month playing everyday making 20 lvls to hit 1k shd... thats a long ass grind

[red island]

some activities make you grind shd lvl faster, but its repetitive

[hexed steppe]

doing projects and stuff will give good amounts of xp as well they got a bit of a buff during resolve as well

[next pulsar]

U goated fr

[magic pilot]

Also wony is completely unnecessary if you plan on deleting the character

[red island]

the very fast way is having friends to farm your xp, otherwise its dz i think

[mellow tree]

So what makes the DZ the best XP farm? I would think it would be bad for that

[red island]

its only good before 40 cause the landmark are fast, close to each others, and there is usually nobody to bother you

but having friends to farm missions for you is still 500 times faster

[mellow tree]

So you get a character to 30 with the boost, play DZ in pre level 40 where nobody is, and then use the SHD points to get free mats?

[red island]

yes

in few hours its done

[mellow tree]

But WONY runs with others is faster

[vestal ibex]

Carry via missions with a single carry is about 40 minutes.

[red island]

im talking solo, if you have someone to carry you its much faster in lz

[mellow tree]

Too bad my second character is already in WONY

[red island]

why does it matter ?

[vestal ibex]

You can go to DC freely now.

[red island]

you can leave wony at any time after intro

[mellow tree]

Oh cool

I just came back after a year break I don’t know these changes

[red island]

tbh dont bother with all that optimization yet, just rediscovering the game will take a while

[solar sable]

Heroic Lincoln Memorial carry is the fastest method btw

[dreamy valve]

Jammer pulse does some nice explosive damage for this GE

[red island]

Yes it does

[dreamy valve]

Just slapped this together, and literally having a blast

Jammer just catches everything in the room without having to aim at anything

[onyx sage]

@tribal phoenix why u carrying

[fallen garnet]

xd how bad is bullet king?

[urban latch]

It has its downsides, mainly just being an lmg, but damage wise it's fine

[jagged marlin]

Bullet king is pretty decent if you get the third attribute rolled to CHC

[fickle rock]

Is there a pretty Meta solo build going atm? Last I logged in I was using heartbreaker but not sure if its been nerfed since

[hexed steppe]

it hasnt been nerfed. striker will be top dps set though. eclipse still top status build. determined/hotshot sniper builds also very good. check the pins in this channel , the spreadsheet has a ton of build guides .

some of the weapons did get buffed, and the spreadsheet has an area where you can see current values

[fickle rock]

this is what I was rocking, I think SHD is probably just what i need to focus on

[hexed steppe]

yeah, that should still work well 👍

[fickle rock]

Would you recommend just dropping HB for a striker set instead? in Heroic HB doesn't feel tanky enough to justify using it that much if im honest

[hexed steppe]

it would be worth building a striker set. youll want coyote mask, and ceska obliterate chest.

[fickle rock]

For control points and what not I think HB is really good but I'm trying to do floor 100 on summit with it and I just don't have the dmg output for the rogue agents and I'm also not really tanky enough to utilise hb that much

[hexed steppe]

striker can get a really high damage output. normal content youll use a ceska chest, for stuff where you need really high damage striker chest can give highest damage potential

in normal stuff its just hard to maintain 200 stacks when everything dies fairly easy

[sterile cargo]

What’s best for chem launcher healing pheumatics slot ammo radius skill haste or duration?

[red island]

depends your build

[vestal ibex]

If you run out of chems-haste. If you never ever run out put something else.

[sterile cargo]

Okey thx

What’s the best specialization for a striker drone skill build

[red island]

you got the spreadsheet with all infos on pinned messages

[sterile cargo]

Okey but I asked here why would I go there

[red island]

cause the spreadsheet exist for a reason

to keep every info

so you can find everything you need there

[sterile cargo]

Then why is this channel called build advice if you say go to the spreadsheet

[rich cosmos]

Use more blue

[vestal ibex]

I'd advise against striker skill build but if I had to make one I'd go tech cause the +1 skill tier, then you could keep a red core. Striker skill is a waste of farming/mats/time imo. Just make a skill build or striker build and not one build that does both okayish.

[vestal ibex]

Skill strikers isn't in the sheet.

[red island]

wut

i think it was last time i checked

idk im becoming blind due to old age apparently then

[vestal ibex]

As it's not really recommended.

@urban latch when you make yellow strikers guide??

[sterile cargo]

So this proves my point I need can ask for build advice and you people answer it instead redirecting me to a sheet

[sterile cargo]

I meant striker drone not striker gear set just to be clear

[vestal ibex]

I wouldn't worry about them. People will help and direct you there in the same sentence.

[red island]

well thats different

and in that case => spreadsheet

everything you need is there

its the first on the scren of souless

[vestal ibex]

Oh thank god. Well there is a guide for that, I'd suggest reading it from top to bottom as it explains most things but feel free to ask more questions cause you can build it 1000 different ways.

For turret drone I'd probably still pick tech cause you get a bit of skill damage, faraday perk, extra damage to skill proxy, and again the free +1 skill tier allowing you to have an extra red core.

[red island]

the free skill tier is really neat ngl

[sterile cargo]

From what i see ingame with the specializations technician dmg version seems the best

[fickle rock]

Blue better?

[rich cosmos]

My man if you wanted to use heartbreaker you should use blues, as otherwise, your just using weaker strikers

[hexed steppe]

a lot of times the build guides in the sheet layout a few variations as well as highlight attributes/mods/spec that best fits. it saves someone having to spell out an entire build 10 times a day. lots of people looking for builds so its just handy to have a solid reference that is up to date and easy for someone to access 😉

[fickle rock]

The other set was a heartbreaker set, this one I just decided to swap to strikers, Killing them faster feels nicer than absorbing a few bullets while killing them

[vestal ibex]

blue strikers>blue HB

Striker allows you to go gunner and obliterate and pick whatever weapon you want.

[rich cosmos]

I messaged you for heartbreakers and you responded with strikers

[vestal ibex]

All while not having the issues HB does with stacking.

[fickle rock]

Ahh sorry its been a few hours,that's correct i was using mostly red hb 🤦‍♂️

[tribal phoenix]

They were cheating

[drifting wind]

Merciless rifle is Renamed into "Ruthless"? or a different one? Any idea?

[vestal ibex]

[I got chu](#ask-td2-community message)

[sly matrix]

hello returning after 4 years

what is pve meta build now?

or how can i catchuo?

played till Iron horse was dropped

[surreal depot]

striker

[drifting dawn]

i love LMG's and the Frenzy talent is just so fun, trying to min max a build using it. here are a few ive come up with, what would you change/ any ideas on anything better?

my current
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKtAsA2EAGFbUfegXJC1VRQAOUTcrc7YCAVhgdTjktYuW2KjTLb6rABOcD35iM2IY2ntxKbAmHRaw4KjCpaEWRx3jsewwoNzdpoA

seemingly best dps
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKtAsA2EAGFbUfegXJC1VRQAOUTcrc3OLMkYiCpy7OImiO57nMATnBoulEU2z8YQ0dLEIB0AKwDgqMKgWNR2Hju0yZ2BHp0pj+5EA

another idea
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKtAsA2EAGFbUfegXATi6KgKxxablnZHSaExgQVOVym1kfMbZxEGcCmPGmjpdBKbAnzQi+YKjDFGnbOPVqJXKZvWS9GIA

[magic pilot]

Well number one your current build has fenris and you are using lmg

[drifting dawn]

yeah i havent found a replacement yet

[magic pilot]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKhAsA2EAGFbUfegXJC1VYQAOUTcrc7ATnChjrjkpYuW2PsNZ7ezFoRubXpX6C0ZUSIzYEtaAFZawCGFSKhrbDOk7p2hPt2yT6IA

Shoot for around 50 crit with coyote

[drifting dawn]

okay thank you, that looks great! Another LMG i love is the Pestilance, any good builds for that? maybe even this same build?

[magic pilot]

Pestilence is one of those funny ones

For maxing dps you would run the same thing, but if you want to utilize the pestilence talent more there is better setups

3rd attribute on pestilence is chc, if you want higher tick dmg or plan to use negotiators set DTA is good, rof also a good option.

[drifting dawn]

ive never looked at negs before, that looks interesting, so the pestilance debuf can crit? never noticed that either haha

whats DTA sorry?

[feral anvil]

i think farming for those lengmo rolls would take years off my life span

[tulip charm]

The debuff cant crit also dta is damage to armor

[drifting dawn]

what do the marks do on negs or am i dumb?

Set bonus (2): +15% Critical Hit Chance

Set bonus (3): +20% Critical Hit Damage

Set bonus (4): Talent: Crowd Control
Critical hits mark enemies for 20s, up to 3 marks total.

When you critically hit a marked enemy, all other marked enemies take 60% of the damage dealt.

Whenever a marked enemy dies, gain +2% critical hit damage, stacking up to 20 times, or until combat ends.

Backpack Talent: Critical Measures
Increases Crowd Control damage to additional marked enemies from 60% to 100%.

Chest Talent: Target Rich Environment
Increases Crowd Control mark count from 3 to 5.

[onyx sage]

When you critically hit a marked enemy, all other marked enemies take 60% of the damage dealt.

[drifting dawn]

but why does it cap at 3 marks? whats the difference between having 1 mark and 3 marks?

[onyx sage]

so you can only damage the other 2 marked enemies at max

if you mark 1 enemy then you're only shooting 1 enemy

[drifting dawn]

ohhhh you can only have 3 active enemys marked

i was thinking each enemy can have 3 marks xD

[onyx sage]

yeah it can be confusing

it's one of the strongest multi target sets

[drifting dawn]

yeah ima try that for the pestilance

[onyx sage]

eh pestilence doesn't really synergize with it

[drifting dawn]

what does?

[onyx sage]

negotiator

it only spreads crit damage

pestilence ticks don't crit

[drifting dawn]

so what would synergize with negs if pestilance doesnt?

[onyx sage]

anything that buffs weapon damage

negotiator really favors critical damage and weapon damage and other things that buff weapon damage

[drifting dawn]

i cant recalibrate my chest piece?

[mint axle]

You probably didn't extract enough weapon damage attribute.

[drifting dawn]

sorry, wasnt clear. cant change the Talent?

oh, i think ive recalibrated the core stat

i didnt realise that

actually no, it doesnt say its been recalibrated

[mint axle]

Yes it does, look at the corner of the previous screen shot.

[solar sable]

Yes it does

[drifting dawn]

ah okay

im just being stupid, thanks guys. time to find a replacement xD

[stiff stream]

so i just hit 40ish im shd lvl like 5 or something, but for building a build when you get a piece or armor do you reroll it to what you want or keep farmining til you get one with the stats you want? (( crit chance and crit damage

[bright raptor]

I go by the 2/3 rule for high end gear - if it's already got decent or great rolls for 2 attributes, then recal the last

Chest pieces and backpacks are 3/4 due to the talent slot - either it has the correct talent and two other rolls, or the three rolls are great and I can swap the talent

[rich lotus]

guys i dont know which build i tried hb with ouro on solo works ?

[drifting dawn]

is there anything that makes you imune to EMP?

[tulip charm]

Enough hazard protection yes or Faraday from technican

[drifting dawn]

trying to do floor 100 summit and its just impossible with all the EMP, got 3 of us running DPS and myself as support healer and i cant do anything with the constant EMP and CC they use

[urban latch]

Technician has a "faraday field" perk, any agents and skills within 5m of a deployed skill from someone running technician is immune to emp and shock. You've just got to keep that deployed skill out of kind of sight from the hunters

Also if you just want the easiest/quickest way, look up how to oxy them on YT. Some people have guides out there on that

[drifting dawn]

didnt notice that work, they just EMP the hive itself no matter where i put it

oxy?

[urban latch]

You need the hive deployed before they emp, and to stay within 5m of it

[drifting dawn]

yeah i deployed it before the team entered room, when the hunters enter everything gets EMP'd

[rich lotus]

anybody can suggest me build?

[gentle lichen]

What content? What kind? What difficulty?

[rich lotus]

i thinking hunter fury ouro and acs12 or lefty works?

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[rich lotus]

i try to get first hunter fury

[gentle lichen]

You can couple that with a chest obliterate and memento/bloodsucker bag

[rich lotus]

memento i have and vest chainkiller works?

so i need get other pieces fury

if i cant eguip scorpio can i use his dementer quick backpack?

[drifting dawn]

does the amped perk not show in inv, says i only have 5 skill tier (5 skill and 1 red on my armor) but it should be 6 with amped?

oh it says 6 when i place a skill down

[drifting wind]

Why did you delete my simple and polite question? Who is responsible of this? I said, " where can I get Ruthless(rifle)". Why did you delete that question? Why ?

[rich lotus]

admins if saw bad words from you they can delete

[drifting wind]

I , obviously, did not utter any gross word.

[onyx sage]

not saying i'm deleting them but you did post it in many channels. just post in one

[drifting wind]

That is great to explain.

[magic pilot]

You either don't have the perk active or weren't close enough

[drifting dawn]

Don't think I was close enough haha

[clever bramble]

what is better striker with bighorn or st elmo

[patent fossil]

Elmo is easier, bighorn is potentially more damage but harder to manage as it revolves around headshots and has worse handling
Elmo works better with the Hollywood GE this week though since shock bullets break enemy shields

[mint wren]

I’m after the Elmo and can’t find it atm , had it on another character build and started again and want it back any ideas . Ps not great at game and still trying to get head around the it

[hexed steppe]

You had it on another character? Like same platform and acct or seperate from what you're using now

[mint wren]

Yeah same account just new operator

[hexed steppe]

You can share it through your stash. It's not locked unless you're using hardcore agents

[mint wren]

Ah I see

[hexed steppe]

Anything in there will let any of your agents access

[mint wren]

Thank you just done it

[nimble pilot]

Been off a year anything new

[nimble pilot]

Solo fire build

[livid mesa]

Keener keenering to contract us

[small nimbus]

is contractors gloves super important or can I use something else with heartbreaker 🤔

all I see is ppl recommend that glove and not like I don’t have 800 of them but I wanna know if there’s better options

[nimble pilot]

I can’t get past4%

Is there a good solo fire build

[urban latch]

Well.... Ideally your not running contractors on that build....

Personally I'd go ceska backpack with vigilance and coyotes

[small nimbus]

people only told me to go contractors so I didn’t know if there was other options

I’ll try it out

[livid mesa]

What's better for nemesis? Hotshot or aces?

[solar sable]

Hotshot, aces does not compare

[nimble pilot]

Post the spreadsheet

[tulip charm]

Pinned comments

[livid mesa]

Depending on how you do ace you can get to 60 million damage, If you go hotshot you can get infinite ammo (i mean by preserving ammo)

[magic pilot]

Hotshot will do more dmg too

[solar sable]

Yes, hotshot does not only refill your mag every 4th kill.

[shy willow]

Aces got powercrept very hard

Doesn't compete

[magic pilot]

F in the chat for tip of the spear

[red island]

I like spear

It's shining with this ge

[shy willow]

F

Gone but not forgotten

[onyx sage]

never forget

[shy willow]

Rip

[onyx sage]

pls massive give it back to us

[rich cosmos]

This a new patch note?

[shy willow]

Pre nerf tips

[rich cosmos]

Wait they nerfed it???

Whats the nerfed version

[hexed steppe]

total weapon damage to signature weapon damage buff

[rich cosmos]

💀

No wonder I ain’t seen people use it

I swear we could be having some actually fun gearsets if they didn’t just go wild with nerfs

[tulip charm]

Cus they’re default response is to nerf instead of buff anything else

[rich cosmos]

Project resolve 2 when

[tulip charm]

Never.

[rich cosmos]

I like when they nerf stuff before it releases to the general public

My favorite

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rich cosmos]

It really is weird, we really do just need an update dedicated to rebalancing (buffing) a lot of gearsets and exotics

Tip of the spear could be a lot of fun with changes

[tulip charm]

They really need to revamp tp and aces

[hexed steppe]

maybe a couple buffs for tots to cover different types of builds that utilize spec, explosive damage would be kinda nice , or status effects or something

aces need rifles added and it would get used again 💯

[tulip charm]

Honestly just at this point just buff breakpoint for rifles and mmr and make aces similar to sentry

[red island]

i mean if they buff everything instead they will be buffing enemies too so its the same

[gentle lichen]

It needs to be general because there are many spec weapons that function wildly different to eachother

[red island]

the pb with tots is that spec weapons are too powerful while being too weak too

they are in a very weird spot

at launch i think they didnt got reduced damage on named enemies and people would just stack ammo during mission and then instantly clear boss + room at the end no sweat

now they reduced damage a lot on named but still, its so strong

but at the same time you cant oneshot a normal mob with a single shot

[shy willow]

I miss sig skills

[wide dove]

what's the key thing to making good use of bighorn? i tried the named glove + striker so 30% ish weapon handling and probably wouldn't mind amp'n up by another 8% but the issue is, what's the best way to leverage the big horn.. i am not experiencing the A-Ha moment just yet, could use a lil pointer

[shy willow]

Frankly it's literally just having good aim

Need to be hitting heads consistently enough for it to be worth running

Still trying to get good with it myself

I have a 4 striker with dch and contractors all headshot rolled with bighorn to take into countdown just to try to get accustomed

Same with HHF regulus and Lincoln runs

[wide dove]

oh i see, so it helps ease things to lean into headshot stat?

okay i will practice, thank you ^__^

[shy willow]

Yeah with bighorn gotta invest in headshot

It's additive to crit and it's pointless if you don't hit the head so

[wide dove]

last time i really checked out someone with a headshot build was like.. was it like two years ago? a singaporean twitch strimmer was rock'n with a The Virginian I think? so what she was doing was stay behind cover, pre-focus while behind cover in broad strokes, and then peek out and take that shot

so no scope right? i don't think 1886 has scope

[bright raptor]

you could with a TAC-50 headshot, which was why TOTS' most optimal setup was as a sniper build before they took a hatchet to it

[wide dove]

so trying to reduce peeking out, i don't know why she's doing that

she musta taken the video down, i can't find it, garbage google fu lol

[shy willow]

Probably shield peeking with a C7 or something

[wide dove]

uh..

[shy willow]

Not possible anymore but you can still third person peek

[wide dove]

could be.. but was just .. regular cover

i wonder what's the tactical advantage of staying behind cover as much as possible, limiting the peek time

cus.. at legendary i mean.. one or two shot and your shield and health is down if it's a dps build, or worse, i guess i'd have to just try

don't knock it until you've tried it rite? 🙂

[shy willow]

You get Lasered in seconds if they have an angle on you

[wide dove]

yeah 😦

wonder if The Virginian is still a thing these days

[red island]

still a thing ?

[shy willow]

It's always been a thing

Just doesn't get used

[wide dove]

mah bad drifting off topic i'll try a headshot build if i can 🙂

been scrap'n the headshot pieces >___<

actually been epic stupid some of these pieces are god rolls >___<

just no space

[deep moon]

So coming back to the game after a while, what's a good heartbreaker build? Is that still a good set? When I left, it's was kinda king of the hill for general gameplay, add in the bag that generates armor tickets on kill, the kingbreaker with a laser pointer, and the shotgun that generate armor on hit...

[red island]

you can find any build you need in the pinned message in spreadsheet

including hb

[south otter]

Im trying to build skill damage build, but most of the builds requires Waveform? Any suggested builds ? or replacements for waveform

im not that experienced in builds so i don't know what im doing and i only rely on players builds

[red island]

btsu gloves

or just no exotic tbh its not necessary

[tulip charm]

Most build doesnt require waveform and its good only for drone turrets. Just run a gold skill piece.

[hexed steppe]

Waveform is misleading. Itll give a boost but on a rotation. You could just do 3 empress, 2 hanna 1 wyvern with glass/tech support and capacitor/harmony for really solid built

You have some flexibility in the spec used as well if at 6 skilltiers already

This is what I use that's a little different than normal afk (turret/drone) build.
Sacrifice chest for perfect glass, palisades /gunner/ mop named shotgun for 20-30% armor on kill

Skill damage/haste rolls

[south otter]

all of them skill haste/damage ?

plus the equip attributes what is it?

[versed summit]

There yes

You can take skill damage and then honestly whatever you want alongside the skill damage. Turret drone don’t really need the extra haste. So CHC/CHD or armor regeneration generally.

[versed summit]

If you mean the mods I believe they’re PFEs but skill haste mods are fine too

[south otter]

Im kinda new to this, appreciate all the help, but what is it PFEs ?

[red island]

protection from elite

[hexed steppe]

All the rolls are skill damage/haste on all.
3 empress is skill damage/skill health/skill efficiency (% in all skill bucket attributes).
Wyvern for skill damage.
Sacrifice chest is providence and a wasted brand, but it gives me an extra 5% amp damage that outweighs other options.
Palisades is a 1 off for armor on kill since I wont be able to squeeze another skill damage piece.

there is definitely some flexibility in skill builds so build to suit your playstyle. It wont need to be perfect to work well 💯

[onyx sage]

skill bucket

[red island]

dont forget to use ninja backpack

[knotty steeple]

Any one shot rifle builds?

[versed summit]

1886+Chainkiller+2 pc Zwia+Fox's Prayer+ and 2pc Breaking Point would probably work. TBH I haven't messed around with it so they're might be a better setup

[glossy scarab]

i almost was disappointed when this dropped cuz it has good rolls but i thought stability was a waste of an attribute. but now that i tried it, i like it way better than my other bullet kings cuz i can stay on target at long distance and it doesnt jerk every so often

hit more bullets do more damage

[magic pilot]

2 pc petrov over losing 9.5 chc imo

[versed summit]

Tbh just take GR9 with steady handed, literally free handling and more DPS

[jagged marlin]

Isn't gr9 less dps than the negev?

I suppose if you count in the mods, maybe

[versed summit]

Yeah mods make up the difference, you can take ROF 3rd attribute as well, CHC works well too tho

Bullet King has crap mods

[jagged marlin]

Well, isn't the gr9 effectively only 2 mods?

[versed summit]

I don’t remember tbh

[jagged marlin]

Because I'm pretty sure the bullet king comes with 5% chc

[versed summit]

it basically has 4

oh my bad

I think 3 tho

[jagged marlin]

Yea the because you can't change the scope right?

[versed summit]

well its a CHC scope

but Stability barrel, thats for dare though

It may be different for normal GR9, I don't have one

I think it is different for normal GR-9

[jagged marlin]

The scope is the 5% chc locked one but the rest you can change. Between the 5% rof on the mag, + 10%chc it should make up for the ~6% ish dps difference compared to the negev

[versed summit]

ye

[magic pilot]

Muzzle is not locked on normal gr9

[versed summit]

weird how they mess with thos mods on nameds

[tawny peak]

Could anyone point me in the right direction for making a dark zone build? Nothing crazy something that's easy to put together just to get started

[hearty timber]

4 piece of striker and some survivability works just fine

But if you ask for something solely for pvp then maybe im not fit for that

[red island]

For pvp or pve ? Cause the 2 are very différent and pvp build usually require a lot of work and farm

[tawny peak]

PvP

[tulip charm]

Is just to roam around the dz while doing landmarks or conflict

[red island]

In that case you're gonna need a lot of efforts, no builds that win are easy to come by

You can cheese some fight but overall it wont be that good if you didn't invest a lot

Cause other players will have invested everything

[tawny peak]

I don't mind farming for it as I'm grinding shd lvls rn anyway

[red island]

There are multiple viable build on the spreadsheet if you wanna try

On pinned message

[magic pilot]

PvP guide is pretty cool

[tawny peak]

I'll take a look ty

[red island]

Gl hf

[tawny peak]

After looking through I can't decide 😂

I play close to mid range, ars and smg are my favourite, I'll probably be playing solo or 1-2 people with me. I'm pretty new to pvp so I'm thinking having more satain while I learn the mechanics of pvp would be helpful

What're your thoughts?

[dire spire]

Looking for a nice pve build using the st elmo. Only play pve either solo or with a buddy.

[shy willow]

It slots onto any DPS type build

You can check the spreadsheet pinned here for ideas

[hearty timber]

Stat that is important for tech build?

I never make a tech build for pve only so i have 0 clues what is good and what isnt

[tulip charm]

Tech build as in skill build?

[hearty timber]

Ye

For technician

[tulip charm]

Well spreadsheet in pinned comments has some examples

Since you can go a few different routes depending on which skills you use.

[hearty timber]

Hm, might as well check it

[tulip charm]

But ig a universal skill damage build would be 3 piece empress 2 hana-u and one wyvern all skill damage and usually it would be skill haste as secondary. Some people run armor regen, haz pro, crit (if running capacitor).

[hearty timber]

Ye ok

[magic pilot]

Striker smg

[chrome knoll]

its something better than hot shot set and striker set fot dps? i use for it + perfect vegilance and perfect headhunter when not head hunter for rifl i use coyote mask

[versed summit]

basically no.

Hotshot is the best setup for an MMR

and in most content Striker's is the best setup for ARs.

There's some changes you can make to a hotshot build depending on how you're playing and Negotiator's Dilemma or a High End build can both out perform Striker's in certain scenarios.

[silent solar]

im feeling bored so any build ideas for the M1A/baker’s dozen?

[tulip charm]

High End Dps

[tawdry flare]

5.11 DPS Build /s

[shy willow]

Don't use bakers dozen it's a trap

[junior surge]

Nego

[vocal flax]

Im trying to make a vile/hunter fury build.

[shy willow]

Not worth

[vocal flax]

You are right, played it for a while... it doenst work as i thought.

[west trellis]

Weapon advice? I'm tied between doctors home and maybe vindicator? Or perhaps a crafted rifle.

[shy willow]

Vindicator is trash unfortunately

If you're going for a rifle build better to use a high end m1a or something

[west trellis]

I've had limited success and fun with it, it's pretty fun but yeah perhaps a a regular rifle might get better results

I've had limited success with doctors home

[mint axle]

All exotics rifles are bad, except for ravenous maybe.

[shy willow]

Doctor home theoretically is really good DPS but it's not realistic

[mint axle]

Wrong talent and wrong scope

[rich cosmos]

Love having a zoomed in scope on a weapon not specializing in precision

[shy willow]

CQB m1a base so naturally it has high dps

[west trellis]

Maybe I'll try cqb with boomerang or something

[hexed steppe]

cqb with boomerang or flatline is top tier for rifles

classic is good as well, but its 1 less mod slot

[hazy steeple]

be a hipster, use the socom!

[hexed steppe]

stage left FTW

[pastel crane]

You just convinced me to use that for my Nego build

[vocal flax]

What can i use with lady death? Want to try her out

[tulip charm]

Hunters

[gentle lichen]

It's still really good in pvp but pve as @tulip charm Mentioned. Though if you can't 1 mag an elite it'll pose problems with upkeeping the lady death stacks

[hexed steppe]

nego + cqb is 😍
hell, ive also been running it on striker since i stack with elmo anyways

[frail marlin]

Hunters fury with matador and ourobouros is way more fun then striker and still very effective 🎉

[hexed steppe]

running intimidate?

[brisk junco]

starting to vomit every time i see st. elmo on a build nowadays

[feral anvil]

What are some good primaries to run with OD? Using AKM rn and I'm liking it but I also want to try some others

[hexed steppe]

scorpio, since it applies status and has synergy with od

[feral anvil]

Okay, and any ARs you would recommend?

[hexed steppe]

whatever you prefer. but since is more about team buff rather than self buff having perfect opportunistic + scorpio status+ scorpio 20% amp+ od amp + survivalist amp against status npcs would be solid *

[versed summit]

AK works well because high bullet damage means your wasting less OD than a FAMAS would

[hexed steppe]

i would make secondary as like stage left/lefty since its also a team proc and pairs well with survivalist nade 😅

[feral anvil]

Definitely going to try it when I get home

[hexed steppe]

i use a very similar setup on my eclipse build for stacking some damage buffs. its pretty good

[tulip charm]

I use a sadist ar and scorpio

[twilit viper]

as a starting player, what's the best skills and maybe build as I am climbing through the story solo

[cyan drift]

if only the agent could run as fast as we reload (10% speed)

his hand doesn't even have time to put the magazine back in, it goes straight onto the vertical grip