td2-build-advice

[upper gale]

ive seen it

im just tryna see if ar or smg is best

its difficult to choose as theres pros and cons to both

[jagged marlin]

ARs have higher scaling

[upper gale]

but at close will b bummed by a oro right

[jagged marlin]

Shoot them in the head with a bighorn

[upper gale]

i was running oro with perfect companion on bag and unbreakable and it pooed on every ar

[jagged marlin]

Well yea it will do more than most ARs

Exceptions will be Eagle Bearer and Big horn

[upper gale]

is there much difference tho between em

[jagged marlin]

Big horn will do massive damage to the heads

EB mostly for stoic, but the gun itself also has decent dps, won't quite match an oro at close range however

[upper gale]

for solo pvp wat one u think will work best? oro or bighorn/eagle

i was just running blue core, red rest oro

[jagged marlin]

For solo most likely eagle bearer because of stoic

[upper gale]

wit perfect companion and unbreak

wat does stoic do, i dont even think i got a eb

never went for it

[jagged marlin]

Gives you upto 80% damage resistance if you kill someone with a headshot

Useful against multiple people

[upper gale]

ah fair

[jagged marlin]

You also can't go wrong having an elmo with shock ammo ready

[upper gale]

yea true

may just build both as my friends getting div 2 so may get him to build eb build or elmo

and i stick with oro

kinda counters both

[jagged marlin]

Oro requires 10m ish engagements

[upper gale]

yea its right upclose

[jagged marlin]

If you play around that, you can easily bait trigger happy smg users to eat shots to the head while they charge in

[upper gale]

oro and famas mayb

[jagged marlin]

Named f2000

[upper gale]

yea

[jagged marlin]

That's a decent build oro + shield splinterer

[dreamy valve]

Did they nerf perfect behind you?

[shy willow]

From the PTS yes but otherwise nah

[dreamy valve]

Eh, I’ll just use Flatline

[magic pilot]

Same amp flatline better

[dreamy valve]

Yeah

When it was 40% I would have considered it

[shy willow]

Stop shooting to stop drawing aggro to proc behind you and get the amp to increase DPS and therefore aggro🧠

[scenic hornet]

Hi guys

I am new to this game, so far this is my build

Can you guy rate this build?
Many thanks 😃😃

[hexed steppe]

not great, but also not terrible.
you get where your chc needs to be to maximize damage, but a couple things are holding your damage back.
a couple points-
chest talent would be stronger using obliterate.
ninja bag, although it unlocks some bonus, its holding back your damage potential. using either a vigilance talent bag, or possibly memento would both be stronger options.
something like total weapon damage is a separate multiplier (oblit and vigilance both provide this.

for highend dps you would be rock solid with 3 providence , grupo or coyote, foxs prayer knee (dttooc) , and contractors gloves (dta)
its fairly flexible build type , but focusing rolls as chc/chd will give best damage performance.

something like this would be really good

[scenic hornet]

ohh, my chest talent is the one that when staying in cover it gives 45% weapon handling

[scenic hornet]

Okay lemme try, thanks

[scenic hornet]

dammmmmmmmmmmm

all tutorial i watch is only around 150 max chd, your build nut 😄

[hexed steppe]

its capable of really high damage , your numbers will be a little lower than my current, but once you hit 999shd or whenever you get chc/chd maxed you can match it

[scenic hornet]

ohhh okay, got that

[hexed steppe]

if wanting to use coyote you could drop the 3 providence and go ceska/coyote/fenris along with foxs/contractors/grupo

memento adds a lot of survivability but it will hit your chd a little since you might need to shift a mod/roll to chc to maintain your close to 60chc

there is a spreadsheet pinned to this channel that has a ton of builds and info about pretty much everything gear/brand/weapons

[sharp pier]

I would suggest EB for your regular builds but if you are running a build what needs more HS I would run bighorn (Only if your running like regen)

[magic pilot]

Regen bighorn is a super strong solo build, both full regen and catharsis version

[sharp pier]

This is my current build.. Do you think its good?

PVP WISE

[magic pilot]

What's your minor rolls?

[sharp pier]

wdym

[magic pilot]

Armor regen or hazpro

[sharp pier]

Armor regen

[magic pilot]

I run mine similar but with picaros and catharsis

[sharp pier]

ok

[magic pilot]

And hazpro minors

Yours has a little more regen

[sharp pier]

yh ok

[magic pilot]

This is my full regen, apologies for the quality

[sharp pier]

ahaha ur g

yeah ok, do you know what a good 2ndry is for my build?

[magic pilot]

Shotguns or another AR

But I tend to run out of AR ammo fast

[sharp pier]

ok

so shotgun

[magic pilot]

Lmg could be good like rpk or l86

[sharp pier]

but with shotgun do i hit head or body shots

shots*

[magic pilot]

You'd still try to hit heads more, I aim around the upper chest between the shoulders

[sharp pier]

yeah ok

[magic pilot]

Shotguns dmg is so high though that body shots can still down fast

[sharp pier]

gotchu

I just needa find a group bc aus servers r dead 😭

[magic pilot]

Yea I've heard it's pretty tough on there

[sharp pier]

yh

[upper gale]

U get eb and bighorn from raid?

[gentle lichen]

EB through dark hours.
Bighorn through legendary missions or legendary summit.
Both can drop in dz but at an exceedingly low chance

[upper gale]

Gotchu

[upper gale]

Can u just squad fill for dh or do u gotta b in a group

[sharp pier]

Sorry I was a bit late but what n b said

It’s easier in the summit

[clever junco]

Wanted to say thank you for this advice. I've run Countdown nine or ten times since yesterday. And this morning on my first run, I got St. Elmo's Engine to drop. Very happy.

[red island]

Nice

[upper gale]

Can get eb in summit also?

[sharp pier]

Not sure... better off doing the raid with a bunch of ur mates and see if one of em drop it for u

[upper gale]

Kk

[red island]

no, raid or dz only

[scenic hornet]

Hi

I got full striker set, but the thing is i cannot heal myself

So I have a hard time in legendary mission like tidal basin, where they keep throwing drones and bombs

So i want some dps build where it can heal a decent amount and make some gud damage

Thanks

[jagged marlin]

Your best gander at healing yourself would be to go momento, and if you want more, to get the healing drone

[scenic hornet]

i try my best to pick the trophy but every time i try to pick, enemy shoot like storm🥹

[karmic moss]

so i want nemesis and a guy just had luck andit dropped in countdown so what do i use as target loot to get it marksman rifle or just rifle

bcs i wanna try a sniper build

[bright raptor]

unless you've completed its goal quest you aren't getting any Nemeses

[bright raptor]

the heal drone does not heal an all red or all blue nearly well enough when compared to the hurt Legendary enemies deal across the board

half the people scraped off Legendary room floors are 6B strikers with repair drones who thought it was enough

[karmic moss]

any one can help me with the crafting thing

[pastel crane]

People who use deployable skills in countdown annoy me.

Especially when they refuse to learn that Hunters can hack their skills

[magic pilot]

Shock trap be like

[red island]

are people sleeping on lady death dps ? the bonus damage from it sound insane, i never paid attention to this

[pastel crane]

I think it's due to its low mag

[tulip charm]

low base damage and low mag imo

[versed summit]

Yeah it absolutely falls off when the amp is down

[glossy scarab]

its rly hard to find a five seconds to run around to stack up lady death while you're face to face with a few enemies

on hard difficulty for league speed runs. great tho

just for kicks i made a lady death with 55-56 rounds in it with brazos bonus and zwia bonus. dumb idea

[red island]

i mean in a build where you engage with lady death then swap to something else,

cause obviously running around doing nothing for 5s aint great unless spreedrun as you said

like think pvp, dps doesnt really matter as much as your burst entry damage

[shy willow]

It's mainly relegated to a league run weapon

[tulip charm]

Its not bad in pvp but oreo exist

[shy willow]

Now that ouro is around i don't see it in PvP either

[tulip charm]

if you have good movement then you can abuse the speed buff

[red island]

yeah ouro having like the same base damage but 50% more rof is completely insane

idk what they were thinking balance wise

[hazy steeple]

Lady Death has something that Ouro will never have.

[red island]

swag ?

[hazy steeple]

unlimited quantities of Edge.

[glossy scarab]

is the aug AR any good?

i saw someone saying invisible hand is pretty good. which i never thought

[red island]

the 12% bonus rof ?

i tried it, its pretty bad

[glossy scarab]

yea thats what i thought

[red island]

the rof is really not that high

[glossy scarab]

not at all

[red island]

damage is bad too

[glossy scarab]

alright. aug in the trash

[magic pilot]

It's actually a decent option now

[solar sable]

what was the talent again?

[glossy scarab]

Yeah I think it was dod who said it

[red island]

its really not decent

12% rof means 12% damage increase but any weapon can be found with way more damage boost

or just better base stats

[magic pilot]

the difference between what you are saying and what im saying is im going off the actual stats not how i feel

[glossy scarab]

I wasn't even trying to talk about invisible hand. Just a standard Aug w a better talent on it

[magic pilot]

invisible hand has the best talent for aug

[glossy scarab]

gotcha

[magic pilot]

aug has high sustain decent burst

[red island]

lmao

yeah no man, the perfect allegro might be better than every other aug, but the aug is just bad in itself

bad accuracy and stability

[magic pilot]

thats a skill problem

the dmg is more than acceptable

[red island]

not really, thats the stats of the item

why would i get an aug if i need to be close range

when there are tons of other weapon awesome for clse range

[magic pilot]

you dont thats your opinion

[red island]

wym i dont ?

stats arent an opinion

you compare to elmo and it doesnt hold

[magic pilot]

your opinion is that you need to get close to use the aug effectively

[solar sable]

it's your opinion, but coming from someone that knows more about weaponry in this game, makes no sense

[magic pilot]

yea obviously the elmo is better lol thats not what i said

the f2k has far worse accuracy and stability than the AUG and no one has any issues with that?

[hazy steeple]

Wait, people have trouble aiming with the f2k?

[magic pilot]

yea ive heard it quite a bit surprisingly

also the Aug does have higher burst dps than elmo and 30k lower sustained

taking into account any sort of talent the Aug will probably be better in both or almost the same in sustained

[hazy steeple]

fire-rate is too low on the aug to ever really be able to compete with the meta-queens. unless it received a damage buff.

[magic pilot]

for striker yea its a little low, tbh its a decent option for FMJ

[hazy steeple]

aug has lower fire-rate than a PDR

[red island]

i mean, compare it to shield splinterer, it barely has higher base stats with perfect allego, but shield splinterer has a damage talent that gives approx 20% more weapon damage

[magic pilot]

yea you are comparing it to the best AR in the game, which is not what i said the aug was

its a decent option, there is better choices

[red island]

idk man, i feel like if i was running with 1 less red core without anything to replace it, i'd call it trolling

but yeah, its not important

[hazy steeple]

Shield Splinterer has 220 higher fire-rate than an Aug.
aug is just too slow to compete. It's closer to an AK.

[magic pilot]

fire rate is irrelevant if the dps is high enough

[hazy steeple]

The fire-rate is a factor in the DPS being calculated.

[magic pilot]

exactly, i keep talking about dps but you keep circling to firerate which makes no sense

[hazy steeple]

^

[versed summit]

DPS means more than firerate, firerate is just a component of dps

which we all know

[hazy steeple]

Exactly what I'm saying.

[magic pilot]

again im covering that by talking directly about the dps

[hazy steeple]

DPS is damage per second. fire-rate is an important factor in the latter half of that.
as is mag-size, reload (to an extent) how accurate the gun is, stability/accuracy, etc.

[red island]

i mean its like saying the base stats for invisible hand are good without taking into account that the talent is included

[magic pilot]

its not included in the sheet im looking at

[red island]

its included ingame

[magic pilot]

the base aug is strong

im not looking at it in game lol

[red island]

i am

im talking about stats i see right now

i had to go check my statsh to be sure

i also had to lvl up expertise of that gun

[magic pilot]

put it into a dps calc now

in order for sustained

[red island]

it has 762 rof with allgro

[magic pilot]

why are we hyperfixating on rof i dont understand

[red island]

cause rof = half the dps

[magic pilot]

this is literally a dps sheet

[hazy steeple]

@magic pilot according to that same sheet, that sustain is beaten by capacitor, elmo, bighorn, and EB.

[red island]

and im telling you your spreadsheet has the wrong rof

[magic pilot]

^

[red island]

invisible hand rof is 762

[magic pilot]

does the sheet say invisible hand on it?

[red island]

we talking about invisble hand

[hazy steeple]

@red island here's the sheet they're using: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12vzrBI53INNVcKx25ILuvwIgJDg2xUvOO_IA0uctlwE/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[magic pilot]

im not though lol

the base AUG

[red island]

lmao

no wonder we cant agree

we aint talking about the same thing

[magic pilot]

the invisible hand is automatically a better aug

so everything i said still applies

[red island]

yeah, but we are talking with talent included

[solar sable]

but not a better ar.
How can you (not prodigy) not understand?

[hazy steeple]

Don't most people on here say that burst is the stat for AR dps, not sustain?

[magic pilot]

with the talents its even better lol

[magic pilot]

^

[red island]

thats the thing, with talent, shield splinterer talent is miles better than invisible hand

like by a mile

[magic pilot]

again i 100% agree thats not what im saying lol

[solar sable]

again.

[red island]

thats different from what you said tho

[magic pilot]

Aug is a decent choice, it is not the best gun.

[shy willow]

After resolve there's a lot of decent options but there's obvious top shelf guns

Aug isn't very popular

[versed summit]

they're actually pretty close

[pastel crane]

I should use Invisible Hand just for the hell of it. Using Shield Splinterer does get boring after a while

[red island]

idk man, 12% rof doesnt sound as good as ~20% more damage

[magic pilot]

20% more WD

[shy willow]

Shield splint doesn't amp and it has ramp up

[versed summit]

Calculate the DPS, don’t just throw around numbers and speculate

[shy willow]

The difference is more apparent when you run it on a blue striker and such

Base damage helps when you run blues

[magic pilot]

rofl

[red island]

i calculated dps before, with allgro invisible hand dps is already close to shield splinterer without talking talent into account

[versed summit]

Doubt

[shy willow]

Don't we already have tested numbers for the aug and the F2k lol

[red island]

xd

[magic pilot]

so funny thing with the AUG dps on the sheet

since the rof from the talent is the only source of rof on the sheet you can directly add 12% more dps

[red island]

per mag only

[versed summit]

It’s about 5% higher on burst and sustain. Not factoring in mods

Or a build for that

[magic pilot]

wdym?

[red island]

i mean reload doesnt go faster with rof

[shy willow]

ROF doesn't affect damage per mag lol

[magic pilot]

715485.12 is the burst dps of invisible hand going off the sheet

[red island]

yeah i used the wrong words

[magic pilot]

crashed twice in descent fml

[shy willow]

Average descent experience

[red island]

average Lyfe experience imo

i think i beaten the nemesis only once xd

[magic pilot]

i got sacrifice bp

trying to do nemesis runs but ive only done it once today and crashed in 2 runs

[red island]

its so long to get to nemesis

[magic pilot]

30 min

[onyx sage]

melee bait thru everything

[red island]

doesnt nemesis oneshot melee you ?

[onyx sage]

yeah but you can make him miss...

it buys you time to burst him down

just get in range then quickly get out

[red island]

how do you burst down nemesis tho, he is tanky af

[onyx sage]

just get damage

[red island]

i did, i think i had like only red core, it took me a while to kill

[onyx sage]

if you know the best talents in the rotation you keep stacking them

red cores aren't even that important unless you have no optimist

you have to stack intimidate

[magic pilot]

How do you search videos you've sent on discord?

[onyx sage]

from: <username> has: video in the search bar

[red island]

search tool

[onyx sage]

so from: prodigyreflexz has: video for you

[magic pilot]

Mobile doesn't have it

[onyx sage]

the same string works

just copy paste that in there

[magic pilot]

#ask-td2-community message rofl

[onyx sage]

?????

[shy willow]

Bro went into cardiac arrest

[magic pilot]

Yea idk

[red island]

lmaooooooooooooooooo

the f was that xD

[magic pilot]

I was trying to find the video I posted killing nemesis but couldn't find it and found that

[onyx sage]

this is mine

[magic pilot]

Yea mine was something similar lol

[red island]

ok first of all, your hud is an abomination and you should be in prison for that

[onyx sage]

i play pvp (in pve)

fun fact, that was sloth btw

[red island]

also

how did you get him to get cc, i thought they were immune to fire and other bullet cc

[onyx sage]

nah, immune to shock only

[red island]

ah

well gj

[onyx sage]

fire ammo is just very nice to have, not totally necessary but makes it a lot easier

it's just rng

[red island]

how did you know it was going to spawn there ?

[onyx sage]

it's random, i just aim at places where he would spawn and have LOS on me

[red island]

well you're confident, i would have got blown up instantly in that case

[onyx sage]

there are 2 spots that would have LOS on me where i hid: one was in front of me where i preaimed, two was where he actually spawned

if you know you have the damage to kill him quickly, just gotta be confident

[red island]

yeah i dont know the spawns, i cant do that

i face the nemesis maybe 3 times, 1 time he instant tp on me and melee me so i died

once i won barely

and another time game crashed

[onyx sage]

i just play legendary and descent a lot so it's just experience atp

[red island]

true

teach me descent please

i dont know how to win it, i really dislike the mode so i never learned properly how to beat it

[onyx sage]

most important tip is to know your build before you go in

so you don't reroll as often

[red island]

its random tho, how do you know what you gonna build ?

[onyx sage]

there is an "ideal" build for each rotation

the ones you get at any time are random, but as soon as you get 1 of the talents you know you will use, you pick it

[red island]

i usually stack weapon damage talent

[hexed steppe]

@onyx sage probably has some solid build tips.

I dont generally do a lot of legendary, but knowledge of mechanics/spawns matters just as much as build, if not more

[onyx sage]

the ones that you want to aim for are intimidate and versatile. they are stronger than most exotic talents

[red island]

yeah i followed them during one legendary run

they knew exactly where to pre aim

[hexed steppe]

Not relevant to current conversation , late response 😅

[onyx sage]

and @scenic hornet is in another discord, i've been giving him more advice there

[red island]

i'll try tonight

[hexed steppe]

Oh sweet 🍻

[onyx sage]

i can give an example

let's say this is the build you want to go for

the mindset is, even though you really want intimidate, you don't have to reroll so many times to get it. you can settle for any other red talent in the list of 6 if you get them

[red island]

yeah i usually get thoses

[onyx sage]

failing even that, even if you get yellow or blue, you can still get them

as long as you know you will use them, just pick them, don't reroll as much

[red island]

i usually dont reroll

but i have bad stats to begin with, i dont have enough nsa currency to buy stuff

[magic pilot]

this roation for red you want versatile, intimidate, obliterate, allegro, critical, surgical

[onyx sage]

ideally you don't even need critical

[magic pilot]

true

[red island]

im gonna go eat now

after that i'll try a run

[onyx sage]

yeah just ask more if you need

[red island]

i'll tell you how it went

[onyx sage]

yeah, try to identify your biggest roadblock and i can give advice on that

[red island]

my biggest roadblock is bullshit damage from npcs xd

[onyx sage]

just play it as how you would play legendary

it's the best way to put it

[red island]

yeah but i dont play legendary xd

[magic pilot]

skill build?

[onyx sage]

💀

[magic pilot]

turret drone

[red island]

oh quick question

can nemesis hack your skills ?

[onyx sage]

yes

[red island]

fk

then no skill build

[onyx sage]

it's just like a hunter

but that also means they can't hack certain skills

[red island]

yeah like pulse

[magic pilot]

you can earn global event stars in descent btw

[red island]

thats cool

i need a lot of mats so i'll get the caches from vendor

[solar sable]

SHD 1400 player uses Striker set with Ouroboros rolled to CHD. WHY?!

[glossy scarab]

weak

10% chd is such a crappy attribute for a weapon

also, probly ran out of exo components

[solar sable]

maybe

[red island]

@onyx sage welp, i died first boss lmao

i got flanked from 3 sides and i had no way out

2nd run, died to first boss again, 3 rusher + boss decided to run at me while 2 sniper and a grenadier shoot at me

wtf am i supposed to do lol

[onyx sage]

use cover to cover

[red island]

i couldnt, they were from all sides

if i do that i would die the same

the 2 snipers destroyed me

[onyx sage]

you are invulnerable during the animation

[red island]

lol no, you are not

[onyx sage]

yes lol

just try it

[red island]

man i died during enough ctc

you are not invincible

you're crouched running so harder to hit, but not invincible

[onyx sage]

you got hit with grenades you die

yes so do that

just do it more and you'll come to appreciate it. it works everywhere just not pvp

[red island]

yeah but i told u it wouldnt help here, there were from all sides

i would still die

[onyx sage]

do it to the cover they're hiding in

[red island]

they werent hiding

[onyx sage]

it staggers them out of cover

[red island]

they rushed me

[onyx sage]

then just bad positioning

[red island]

???

man 2 guys with shield rush me + boss, how can i position myself vs that ?

[onyx sage]

melee bait them

i'm honestly giving you the best tips lol

i do those myself

[red island]

yeah i did, but to do that i had to take sniper shots

i lost all armor doing so

i killed the rushers, but the boss finished me

[onyx sage]

then again it's bad positioning... if you end up in that situation in the first place it's just bad positioning. i need to see gameplay to give better advice

[red island]

xd

i cant position vs rusher

you cant position vs some guy that just run at you with a shield

[onyx sage]

kill them faster

idk. i really need to see gameplay

[red island]

its first loop, i dont have damage

[onyx sage]

were you aiming at heads

[red island]

heads are behind the shield

[onyx sage]

you can get thru loop 1 with just the pistol

hyenas?

[red island]

no

cleaners

[magic pilot]

Easiest faction

[red island]

in div 1 you could hit their head, not in div 2

im not saying the faction is hard

im saying the situation i see no escape

i cant move without getting shot by snipers, i cant stay in cover bcs rushers

and i dont have the dps to kill boss yet

[onyx sage]

okay, here's a tip for cleaner rushers

when they're about to hit you, they expose their head

when they're a bit further away, hit their feet

[red island]

yes, thats how i killed them, but to not get melee, you need to move away

thats why i got destroyed by the snipers

[onyx sage]

your cover to cover also is faster than them meleeing too

[red island]

you cant shoot during ctc

[onyx sage]

idk it's just so many things that could go wrong there

you can cancel it

i almost never c2c the entire duration

[red island]

that mean you get shoot by snipers

yeah, but as i said, if you dont, snipers destroy you

[onyx sage]

again, there are so many things that could go wrong

i need to see your gameplay to give actual advice

[red island]

didnt record it

im telling you how i lived it

[onyx sage]

i don't want to say if i can do it you could too but it's really the truth

[red island]

im not saying you couldnt

im saying i see no way out of this situation, you might get out if you played it, but what you're saying is not it

[onyx sage]

just record some and i'll watch to give advice, no big deal

[red island]

maybe next time ye

[red island]

lmao, next run i go, i face 2 grenadiers, 2 rushers, and 2 bombardier

how the fk am i supposed to stay in cover xD

[magic pilot]

I feel like you aren't killing them out of the door fast enough?

I'm gonna send you a live stream I did in descent awhile back

[red island]

i survived that room, but i couldnt kill the 2 rusher they were purple

i mean couldnt os them

[wicked briar]

What’s the best way to farm st Elmo engine?

[versed summit]

Countdown with ARs as targeted loot

[red island]

and exotic lootbox

[onyx sage]

also if you haven't, try spawn camping one door so you have one good fallback spot

[red island]

yeah thats what i usually do, but nobody spawned there this room

so i immediately turned to the other, and i saw death coming for me xd

[onyx sage]

rip, and rely on tall cover spots too

[red island]

yeah, it was almost a flat room

like potomac bunker rooms with desk

[onyx sage]

you know the room names by any chance?

[upper gale]

can u get eb on any difficulty

[onyx sage]

normal

dark hours

[upper gale]

only norm?

[onyx sage]

only normal

[upper gale]

im in a discovery one rn shal i leave

as i only want eb

[onyx sage]

yeah discovery is useless lol

[upper gale]

kk gotchu

hard finding someone to do it xd

[onyx sage]

go to the community discord, bunch of people there with vc

[upper gale]

noone doing it sadly whos adbertising

[versed summit]

as it's sunday I think Little_huge is going to do PC raid carries this evening. That'd be an easy way to get a run done.

[red island]

no sry; it was a room with 4 pillar, a central area slightly up than the rest

[upper gale]

whats his @

[rich lotus]

i need someone that can help me out with build

[solar sable]

just post your question/build please

[rich lotus]

its more like i wanna make that new regen build since i keep getting slapped lol this is what im running now but idk how to get bighorn etc but this is what i was running now

[versed summit]

Little_huge

Just look him up on Twitch/YT and join his discord

[rich lotus]

i do sometimes switch to capicator but i have no technician

[red island]

lmaooooo i just had a sniper riker (with the shield) go on a turret, WITH both shield in front of them

[versed summit]

Bighorn drops from legendary bosses. Summit floor 10/90 is best farm

[solar sable]

Bighorn can only be obtained via Legendary bosses

what IC3SO said lol

[upper gale]

gotchu

[rich lotus]

oh alr bet yeah its just i keep getting melted or like do no damage since they regen lol

[solar sable]

you can check out the 📌 Spreadsheet for a regen build

[rich lotus]

where i find that

[solar sable]

Check this channels pins

[versed summit]

PvP starter guide is whatcha want

[solar sable]

why do I keep forgetting about mentioning the whole thing

[versed summit]

Actually lol. There’s not a regen build there.

[magic pilot]

You are on pc?

[rich lotus]

yes

[magic pilot]

Regen isn't on there but I do have them

[rich lotus]

oh okay alr

[magic pilot]

I can help get you bighorn around 10 pm cst today, I have floor 90 which is the highest chance to get bighorn

[rich lotus]

could u dm me i live eu when u on

[solar sable]

just a qq, why didn't you put them in there?

[magic pilot]

Sure

[magic pilot]

They aren't super beginner friendly

[solar sable]

they can still fit imo

[magic pilot]

Especially since regen is based entirely around perfect efficient which is also hard to use well

We were doing friendly 1v1 on the community server a few weeks ago and a ton of the new players were super kit dependant and I could kill them without using a kit and they could kit 4 times

I've noticed people tend to rely way to heavily on the firewall kit and then as soon as it runs out and I'm not face trading they panick and try to run off to kit again

[red island]

im at enmesis

wish me luck

[versed summit]

You got it dude

[red island]

blind op

[magic pilot]

Holy shit 2 hours

That might be a record

[red island]

haha

as a sniper im forced to go slow

[solar sable]

is there a website that shows people's records?

[onyx sage]

so pro

just like @versed summit

[versed summit]

Nah I fell off

[red island]

i found the room again

potomac bunker complex

[onyx sage]

it's the whole area name

that's cafeteria

it's a pretty hard room, there are a few clutch spots like the cover near the door on the top left

there should be full cover near it

usually i pick the other room

but low loops where i need to stack more red i don't really have a choice yeah

[red island]

imma see how far i can go

[onyx sage]

just be wary, from loop 10+ hard rooms have a chance to spawn rogue

[red island]

so nemesis like

[versed summit]

rogue like?

[clever junco]

Goddammit.
Just how many exotic backpacks are there?? Lol.
Farming Countdown for Memento, and am exotic dropped...only to find it was Acosta's Go Bag. 😭

[versed summit]

3, but yeah it's a pain

[red island]

isnt it the same thing tho ?

[versed summit]

well descent is a roguelike, so I thought it was a little funny joke hehe

[red island]

ah xd

actually its a rogue lite

but potato tomato

[versed summit]

yeah probably

[red island]

well i died on the next boss lol

3 grenadiers +3 rushers + the sniper boss got me

[magic pilot]

Vroom discord probably

[upper gale]

this drop in countdown? or caches?

[solar sable]

Yes, caches (ty Prodigy)

That's Catharsis btw

[magic pilot]

Wrong.

[solar sable]

Wdym?

[magic pilot]

Exotic cache only

Check the spreadsheet

[solar sable]

How is it that I get these at CD?

[magic pilot]

You can get it as a drop after you have the blueprint

[solar sable]

Ah right

[neat iris]

"skill health" vs "shield health" whats the difference? do they scale differently?

[solar sable]

mb.

[magic pilot]

They add together I believe

Skill health scales off the base

[neat iris]

just watched a build guide for 2024 where the creator claims "skill health" scales better than "shield health" from the holster....

just wanted to see whats known about it

[magic pilot]

Send me the video

[onyx sage]

skill health is a separate multiplier

shield health is the stat raised by skill tier

so they're both independent from each other

[magic pilot]

Skill health is off the base though?

[onyx sage]

wdym off the base, it is its own multiplier

both shield health and skill health are off the base

[neat iris]

the thing is..... hes arguing for skill health over shield health

not both but one over the other on a shield build

[magic pilot]

Build in question, "best solo build in 2024"

[onyx sage]

he's right, as you go higher in skill tier, "shield health" as from Forge becomes worse

not saying anything as a whole but that fact is correct

[red island]

imma punch my screen

[onyx sage]

the build is... questionable

[neat iris]

his skill tier is quite low, hes going armor core

[onyx sage]

shield scales off both yellow and blue

[neat iris]

so it would make "forge" a worse option in both scenarios, no matter if yellow or blue cores then.

[red island]

i mean

you can have skill tier/armor core and also get shield health

nothing prevents you from doing that

[onyx sage]

forge is bad yeah

[red island]

but yeah forge isnt great

[onyx sage]

this is shield health, what forge adds to

skill health is its own thing. so shield health from forge is terrible. it's only good if you're at st0

[red island]

yeah but if you're at t0, you're not running forge

so

[onyx sage]

exactly

[red island]

pretty bad

[onyx sage]

there's an obvious conflict, which means it's bad in general kek

[red island]

well, its intentionally low to avoid unkillable shields in pvp that are annoying, and invicible players in pve that could tank everything

[neat iris]

what about incoming repairs vs repair skills?

[red island]

repair skill = affect the heals you do to anyone
incoming repair = affect the reparis other players do to you

you take repair skill as healer, and incoming repair as tank (in theory, in reality not so much)

[magic pilot]

Incoming buffs your own heals on yourself as welll

[neat iris]

yes but in that build he goes for repair skills to heal himself, i reckon incoming repairs should be just as good or does it scale lower?

[red island]

oh yeah forgot that

[onyx sage]

important disclaimer that incoming repairs only affects repairs from skills

[red island]

if you wanna heal yourself, skill repair is still better imo, cause you're also gonna heal teamates

[onyx sage]

incoming repairs is multiplicative so in theory it should scale more, but would be selfish (wouldn't heal others as much)

[neat iris]

yeah, think it will be incoming repairs then

[onyx sage]

*multiplicative to repair skills, i should add

so it's actually better to have a 50:50 split of incoming repairs and repair skills if you're only aiming to repair yourself

[hexed steppe]

skill health, repair skills in builds , sounds like someone needs a memento to cover all that shit

[neat iris]

oh god not the damn memento 😂

[magic pilot]

@gentle lichen I made a 3/3 of the capacitor build

[hexed steppe]

30% skill efficiency it 30% in each skill bucket

[red island]

sometimes im thinking of doing a 3/3/3 build

to be as useless in every way possible

[neat iris]

do it

[solar sable]

Let me guess, Nothingbutscams

[onyx sage]

do it in descent

[red island]

you really like to hurt me, dont you

[hexed steppe]

im just gonna put this out there... memento is the hardest working single item in the game

[onyx sage]

progress so far btw

[neat iris]

actually no, believe it or not 😂

[solar sable]

Whoever made that just wants newbies views

[neat iris]

yeah..... friend who just started asked about it but im like..... id rather get rid of all striker pieces rather than do ninjabike

[solar sable]

NBB is a newbie trap 🪤

[red island]

i mean, you'd be better off high end

the bp talents are too good to pass on

[neat iris]

what i said to him but yeah....

[red island]

tbf

ninja bagpack does look cool and talent does sound insanely strong

[neat iris]

i tried finding that 70% explo resist build but i cant seem to find it anymore 🤔

[red island]

until you see the brands not being great for your build or the fact that gear set talents on bp is usually the best thing to have

[neat iris]

indeed

[red island]

like striker gear set without bp

is trolling

straight up

[neat iris]

ninjabike is just such a waste unless you are trying to go specialized into very detail....

[red island]

i mean

[onyx sage]

ironically it's for generalizing

[red island]

ninja would be so much better if 80% of brands werent awful with their bonuses

[magic pilot]

Patrick "promote boosting services" wolf

[solar sable]

Imma go throw up rq

[red island]

like you go for a brand, give you smg damage, then tier 2 gives you explosive damage and you're like wtf

why are thoses 2 connected

[hazy steeple]

Ninja does have a few niche uses, so don't throw it out or anything.

[red island]

imma punch the screen so hard it will hit you and him

[solar sable]

nah, even the one and only Rotor blades recently got one

[onyx sage]

screen: hey man don't hit the messenger

now i got 3 actually

[hexed steppe]

yeah, highly valued exotic component

[solar sable]

Now you got a NBB curse

[magic pilot]

Its status, then explosive resistance, then smg dmg

[neat iris]

best exo 2015 😄

[red island]

oh well, even worse than i remember

[onyx sage]

i'm also a youtuber apparently so there's another curse tacked on

[red island]

like wtf is the connection between the 3

[solar sable]

at least you don't publish fake builds like 98% of Div YT...

[red island]

can i publish fake builds too ?

i want to

the good ol 3/3/3

be useless at absolutely everything

[solar sable]

"Breaking Point just junked Hotshot with this build!" LMAO

[onyx sage]

solo god mode ninjabike striker heartbreaker build 300% weapon damage 150% crit damage legendary 5 directive

[neat iris]

i havent even tried that set.... any build at all to beat headhunter? @solar sable

[red island]

hunters fury headhunter

[solar sable]

Regulus build maybe

[red island]

with ninja bagpack

[hexed steppe]

sounds like a butcher build tbh

[solar sable]

stawp.

[red island]

no

😈

[solar sable]

Me eyes burn

[neat iris]

😂

but iz ninjabike! best BP

[red island]

im gonna clearl legendary solo with this mark my words

[solar sable]

I respect you.

[red island]

i dont

[onyx sage]

look at all the brands it's buffing

[red island]

you got a good talent on chest

thats a nono

[hexed steppe]

God Mode Activated

[red island]

ol up

tip of the spear is good ?

[hexed steppe]

used to be

[red island]

yeah thats what i thought

[neat iris]

tbh i like this when i wanna change it up and not use a meta build..... this is an old build i used to run demo spec on but i recently switched to gunner....

its not as good as meta but its not totally garbage 😂

[red island]

i wish spec weapons were good again

and not so trash

especially to get out

[neat iris]

the minigun giving you armor on every bullet hit is quite nice with tots.

sorry, i meant armor

[red island]

its....... not great, cause you become a chunga when you get it out.......... except you dont have armor plates

so you get shredded instantly

meanwhile it takes 50 years to charge up and start firing

at least other weapons let you stay in cover

even if they take 80 years to deploy

and the damage.............

holy fk how can the damage be lower than some weapons

with damage REDUCED against bosses on top of this

now i think i havent used my spec weapon other than for achievements for global event

[neat iris]

@red island i mean.... sure its not the best but ive seen worse builds 😄

[onyx sage]

also @red island this is the spot i meant in cafeteria

[solar sable]

What's the DPS difference with these two Striker's at max stacks(jff question)
4pc Striker with chest Coyote's and Fox's
Basic Ceska and Coyote's.

[hexed steppe]

itll shine in golden bullet GE 💯

[jagged marlin]

Minigun has some good dps

[red island]

can you give me another angle ? i dont see it clearly ?

[neat iris]

my fully stacked striker dps for comparison.... it went down a little before i hit prinnt screen.... but about 12 mil.

[onyx sage]

it's the top left angle, from your own pic

[red island]

wait

was my pic deleted ?

i cant find it anymore

[onyx sage]

probably

[solar sable]

Oreo striker at max stacks with GB 😩

[vestal ibex]

Ah yes range DPS, the most trusted measure of DPS.

[solar sable]

1.7mil lmg sounds crispy

[red island]

i mean, its fully stack striker, which in actual gameplay is near impossible

you'd be shooting for 10h straight

[onyx sage]

you'd be surprised

[upper gale]

Yes or no

[red island]

you need 200 stacks, while losing stack while shooting over time, so even the 200 bullet pouch lmg isnt enough

[upper gale]

Tryna figure out if i should build a capacitor / eb or bighorn build for dz

[rich lotus]

eb is nice bighorn idk still tryna get it

[solar sable]

Only use Bighorn if you have insane head targeting

thing hits like a truck if you have that aim

[upper gale]

Oog crosshair comes in clutch with headshots

But at long range ur not gonna always hit headies its kinda mid / close

https://youtu.be/RhfOXjgWCEY?si=VobuWCgRDKkQ4s_l

This one doesnt look to bad for capacitor build

[red island]

go hit a full red nemesis build headshot build 6% crit chance and then screenshot instantly to get the best dps number

[urban latch]

It won't show 54m, far lower

[red island]

let me dream

[magic pilot]

Terrible

[magic pilot]

This setup is absolutely good enough to use

[upper gale]

How come

[magic pilot]

I absolutely hit 200 stacks regularly in legendary and countdown

[magic pilot]

It's just a worse meta AR build, you are losing the bp talent to gain some reload speed, a yellow core, more DTA which the capacitor absolutely doesn't need and extra chc that you could get from just running ceska

Capacitor has so much chd that the extra 15% hsd (additive to chd) isn't going to add much dmg

[upper gale]

Wat would u run instead

[upper gale]

Im tryna find a ar build to make but cant decide on wat one.
My main build atm is oro and its disgustingly good

But havnt got a ar one

And dunno wat ar to even use

[rich lotus]

can i se

[magic pilot]

Bighorn for regen, otherwise EB or shield splinterer

[rich lotus]

u on?

[gentle lichen]

I'll try it

[dreamy valve]

damn, dat brazen six12 slaps

[magic pilot]

I'll send it to you

Conflict or dz?

[gentle lichen]

Dz

[magic pilot]

I am not atm i apologize

[rich lotus]

np

[onyx sage]

hell yeah it does

[gentle lichen]

Made an additional setup

[gentle lichen]

@magic pilot

[tawdry flare]

Eevee's screenshot

[magic pilot]

Looks sick, I tried the 3pc didn't really notice it being worth much. But definitely give it a shot and lmk how it goes

[neat iris]

I mean, you don't have another way to measure the dps otherwise.... sure you can look at what you hit on an npc in the open world.... also nice try with the slow striker bruh.

[magic pilot]

There is dps calculators to use that are more accurate

[neat iris]

yeeee ive seen a site like that..... just feels like TLDR to go there when ur in-game.

[vestal ibex]

Slow striker?

Also the DPS calc you should use is in the pinned messages of this channel.

So the big reason no one cares about your "range" DPS is that it's inconsistent and testing methods aren't agreed upon. Was it 100% HS? Was it all health damage? Was it with buffs that shouldn't be considered? Is there currently a bug with your build and the range? Just know it's bad to use/suggest range DPS as anything past personal comparisons.

[glossy scarab]

according to the range my dps is off the charts

25 mil easy lol

[gentle lichen]

If you can 1 shot the target you can reach ridiculous dps amounts

[karmic moss]

looking for help with a tanky smg build any one a idea

[vestal ibex]

Helps if you tell people your goal, like is this a PVP build? Or are you looking to do heroic PVE content with it?

[karmic moss]

both

mostly pve

[hexed steppe]

for pve , add memento, tech spec, crusader shield, artificer hive.
before considering the other 5 pieces of the builds, this can give you a tier 3 shield and tier 2 artificer that passively repairs shield every 10 seconds.

set tech class for skill repair instead of damage. the 30% skill efficiency that is charged with memento long buff is really strong. combined with the tech class skill repair, youll be pushing 40% repair skills to improve the repair strength of the artificer. it will also improve your shield armor with 30% skill health. memento short buff can drive these numbers even higher on a temporary basis.

it would be good to post a build screenshot. yo can upload images to this channel. just use snipping tool to capture inventory screen and youll be able to paste it into the text box here.

obv bulwark wont be your used shield on smg build, but for an example itlls work. this is tier 4 shield/tier 3 artificer.
memento takes the 9.8mil shield health and drives it to over 12mil. memento also takes the 48% skill repair of artificer to 58% skill repair when charged.

would also be smart to use hunters fury for the armor on kill, close range damage buff which plays well to memento strength, and disorient on kill

[karmic moss]

i dont really have a start of a build yet

and looking to use elmo and ouros alot like i swap between them

[hexed steppe]

i think you should build 2 builds then. one hunters fury with oreo, one striker with elmo. just have both saved as loadouts and can swap when out of combat. if really wanting just 1 build for both, then striker probably the way to go

[karmic moss]

was thinking on this one

[hexed steppe]

that should do it , you can adjust blue cores to dial in your desired damage/armor.

[karmic moss]

and this for elmo

[hexed steppe]

dont worry about rock and roll shotgun. afaik its talent is nerfed by a bug and it still only maintains 20 rounds. regular acs or lefty are good stacking alternatives

no stick with striker on both

much stronger

[karmic moss]

but thast the thing i dont stck with shotgun i do it with ouro

thats why i want elmo difrent byuuild

[hexed steppe]

look into negotiators dilemma then

true patriot is a pretty weak build in general

[karmic moss]

can you link me a build then

[hexed steppe]

nego

you could set it up like the striker set/shield but it plays better using cover and go full red core. crit chance is very important to nego so youll want to be right at 60

[hexed steppe]

elmo capable of stacking striker as well. with either elmo/oreo youll probably want a ceska chest with obliterate over the striker chest

[karmic moss]

striker mask then ?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah

[karmic moss]

full red ore blues in as well

[hexed steppe]

Striker chest is good for really tanky enemies but in general pve use you'll probably not hit 200 stacks regularly

Red/blue ratio is gonna be preference. You'll just dial in the damage/armor you want

[karmic moss]

hopefully this hold up with like damage i can do bcs i really need a good build now

you think eb woud be good with it to

[crude harness]

is it good for pvp builds?

[vestal ibex]

Not gonna tag prod even?

[crude harness]

i dont trust that guy @magic pilot 🤠

[versed summit]

I haven’t seen Prov used outside of it’s one piece for HSD builds, since glass is mid and Fenris Ceska Grupo works a lot better with the Blues. You could probably use it temporarily but you’d want to replace it for an optimal setup.

[tulip charm]

Toxic

[crude harness]

and i just realize hsd and crit not working together in pvp

ill keep it and maybe i can make a ninjabike build with it

[versed summit]

they don’t work together in PvE either, but PGC and optionally the gift is a good Combo with a lot of versatility.

[versed summit]

please say sike

[crude harness]

ahahaha

[onyx sage]

one of us

[onyx sage]

nego one shot:

[versed summit]

well yeah. “work together” isn’t the right way to word it, more like not generally synergistic.

anyways going to one shot the hovercraft

[onyx sage]

you need to enter the ytber mindset

[versed summit]

I gotchu. Lemme find the worse build I can and run the first room of DUA, then upload it 10 tries later as OP solo Legendary one man army unstoppable 1 billion DPS.

[onyx sage]

make sure to hide in container

[versed summit]

where else would I hide? 🤨

[onyx sage]

exactly

i removed the side door and the dumpster

[versed summit]

I didn’t notice 🤷‍♂️

[upper gale]

can challenges for capacitor be done on any difficulty

[onyx sage]

yes

[upper gale]

oki

[magic pilot]

I'd keep it but I don't really know a use for it

[crude harness]

we thought same than

[upper gale]

Ops on this

[magic pilot]

Trash

Do you really want a capacitor pvp build?

[upper gale]

Want a ar build

[upper gale]

Noone seems to run dh with a in tact braincell

So tryna get eb

[magic pilot]

Are you in the other div discord?

Send "corpsemaker_1" a message

[upper gale]

Wat bout a heartbreaker bighorn build too? And will do

[magic pilot]

Yea works ok

[gentle lichen]

Checkem'

[magic pilot]

Yea I've been seeing that

Tbh not really worth it, kinda cool tho

[gentle lichen]

Godrolled bench actually made it quite easy to farm

Shame it's gone

[karmic moss]

better striker full red or with some armor

[magic pilot]

Full red

[karmic moss]

is it better with cayote or striker mask

[strange wedge]

Full red = most theoretical highest damage, more armor/blue can = more theoretical damage on target.

[vestal ibex]

Eh full red for a bad player sure.

Blues cannot save some people.

[karmic moss]

i have some blue but feels like not doing any damage

[vestal ibex]

For strikers you need to get into stacks to feel the damage.

You can either do this by ACS stacking or by hitting all your shots and progressing thru content quickly.

[karmic moss]

thats what it is i have the stacks but feels like still no damage

[vestal ibex]

What's your CHC/CHD?

[karmic moss]

60 and 145

[vestal ibex]

Do you have horrible accuracy? Like if you run a mission solo and get to the end what's your % typically?

[karmic moss]

i have not the best acuricy but not bad at all ether

i have good ac

not god

[hexed steppe]

Striker is pretty easy to stack with something like elmo

[magic pilot]

Anything above 65% accuracy is more than acceptable

[vestal ibex]

I just hear someone say "this build does no damage" while having full stacks and 60/144 CHC/CHD and I think you must not be hitting shots then? idk it sounds strange. Maybe a pic of your build could help?

[strange wedge]

Could also be a frame/internet issue. Lots of variables.

[crude harness]

@vestal ibex Can you check my Incursion builds and see if I'm ready for some runs or not?

[vestal ibex]

You gud

[crude harness]

Can i dump like 4-5 screenshots here?

[vestal ibex]

Looking to do serious speeds then?

[crude harness]

i dont have Ongoing build but decent dps for anything else

yeah like sub7

[vestal ibex]

If you end up doing the one shot on wright you'll want a higher Achilles expertise and D50, gonna guess you're limited by your expertise level?

[crude harness]

i got 26

but no components

(:

[vestal ibex]

Achilles expertise level is a direct multi

[crude harness]

i was expertising them together, should i focus achi first?

[vestal ibex]

Yeah

[crude harness]

need to farm some components then

[vestal ibex]

Gonna do turret normal or outside the map?

[crude harness]

i never done any speeds before but im ok for any strats

i got oxy build just in case

[vestal ibex]

For normal you'll have 2 he hh builds, red fi with DCH and vigi and the OXY.

[crude harness]

i got this 1 for yard

if its works

[vestal ibex]

I'd go m870 for chunga but whatever gets the kill really.

[crude harness]

i got m870 with flatline but i can roll it if needed

[vestal ibex]

Flatline is fine, you should be doing a couple regulus shots and maybe 1 m870 on a clean run

[crude harness]

sure, we also scanning the are with pulse i just realized

[vestal ibex]

Yeah oc scanner gives 15 amp damage

Also for foam if you wanna crack off ez headshots

[crude harness]

Alright, I'll farm dz for components for couple days and than can we do some speeds?

[magic pilot]

Why sharpshooter in this one

[vestal ibex]

I mean it kinda doesn't matter your spec so much but getting sledge on does, flash bang big boi

[crude harness]

i coudnt see anything better than 10% hsd

but can be fixed

[versed summit]

What are the blue mods?

[vestal ibex]

We used it for flash bangs. Makes your job of sledge MUCH easier.

[crude harness]

yes exactly

but fire also works fine no?

[gentle lichen]

Pulse resist

[versed summit]

Ahhhhhhhh

[crude harness]

you can get sledge even after pop with fire no?

dont know about is he immune any status or not

[vestal ibex]

Now that I think of it, it might have been partially due to the spec swapping bug where it got rid of your grenades. Idk stuff like that can be revisited.

[crude harness]

didn't happened to me before luckly

i mean we still have 'rock n roll' magazine bug they not gonna visit any minor bug like this i suppose

[vestal ibex]

Yeah for a long time if you swapped spec like twice your spec grenades were just gone. Most wouldn't notice it unless you swap a ton during raids/legendary missions.

[uncut wind]

Hey guys. I'm a returning player after taking a looong brake from gaming. Any advice what's a good build that I should use? Mainly interested in dps-armor builds:)

[patent fossil]

check the spreadsheet linked in the pins for a list of top-end build guides, take a look through a few and see what appeals

[uncut wind]

Alright, thanks

Found one that I like, thanks once again

[upper gale]

good or shite

[hexed steppe]

Ninja bag generally downgrades whatever build you use it on.

The bonus unlocks dont come close to the loss of a backpack talent

[upper gale]

i think its for the skill tier for the capacitor

[hexed steppe]

7.5 weapon damage for cap...
At a loss of 25% total weapon damage from vigilance for example

[upper gale]

true

[hexed steppe]

Total weapon damage is also a seperate multiplier from regular red core wd

[versed summit]

It's a PvP build, so it's not really competing with Vigilance. As far as umbra Capacitor builds go, it's fine, there's just better builds IMO.

[upper gale]

could u dm me some meta ar ones

for bighorn or capa

havnt got eb

[versed summit]

Have you checked the Pinned spreadsheet and the PvP starter guide inside? The Meta HE setups are in there.

[hexed steppe]

Ok so a loss of adrenaline rush

[upper gale]

alot are eb thats the issue

[versed summit]

Just run a HE AR. Famas or F2000

[upper gale]

a oki

[versed summit]

Exotic =/= best

[red island]

exotic = specific talent

thats all, it might be good or bad, thats another thing

[upper gale]

my oro build is rlly good it melts

but just want a ar one and idfk wat one to make atp

u get one guy that sais just go striker, everyone sais somethin diff

[shy willow]

My personal ar build is everyday carrier 4pc striker and catharsis iirc

[upper gale]

thats similar to my pve one

[autumn yacht]

thats one of the best pvp builds rn

no one here rlly pvps so its hard to get good suggestions for it

[upper gale]

if u pvp can u send me some good ar builds pls 🙂

[jagged marlin]

Why the 3 skill tiers? For jammer pulse?

Or in this case 4

[autumn yacht]

i actually highly recommend the basic ar build in the doc ill send it

[upper gale]

its eb

[upper gale]

o that 1

[autumn yacht]

shield splitter or famas works instead of kb

[upper gale]

saw someone use heart breaker with horn

[autumn yacht]

thats trash

[upper gale]

look dms a sec

[hot gale]

Is there a named walker and harris backpack?

[solar sable]

The Matador

DZ exclusive/named caches

[hot gale]

Gotcha

[tulip charm]

Imo I see red/blue or red yellow umbra nbb than blue yellow

[wise swallow]

common PVP build

its fairly strong

I cant see the skills

your meant to use it with offensive skills

the purpose is to blend skills into a normal umbra build. capacitor saves a bit of dmg

[wise swallow]

theres a couple of us. If you wanna add anything to the basic starter guide let @magic pilot know

[devout agate]

Meta ar build is catharsis, two piece walker & Harris (matador), ceska knees or gloves depends on which piece is walker & harris, picaros holster, and fenris chest with unbreakable

All CHC and CHD

All blue cores

[wise swallow]

arguable

very arguable

[devout agate]

it’s meta

If you don’t like catharsis you can use coyotes mask

[wise swallow]

foxes over 2nd walker

[versed summit]

Contractor’s tbh

[wise swallow]

and yea catharsis is balls on anything but HB

no one will ever convince me otherwise

[devout agate]

I like using two piece walker but that also works

[versed summit]

Tbh I don’t like coyote’s because it seems pretty hard consistently keep the optimal buff

Skill issue though

[hot gale]

Besides grupo is there another brand set that increases crit dmg

[versed summit]

Not on 1 pc.

[hot gale]

Damn

Im planning to copy this build

[versed summit]

You can use improvised

[hot gale]

But wouldn’t improvised still give 1 gear mod?

[hot gale]

Or would it give 2 gear mods?

[versed summit]

One

You use holster, knees or gloves

What build are you copying though

[versed summit]

Please don’t make that

That’s not a good build

[hot gale]

Dawg…im aware of that, do you have a build that isn’t strikers or anything “meta” that won’t bore me out?

Im building it out of boredom

[versed summit]

Look at the pinned spreadsheet. A lot of build guides there

[onyx sage]

if you can't do the hardest content yet, then get striker or the ones you need

[hot gale]

Already did

[onyx sage]

then make the ones you want

[hot gale]

I can do the hardest content

[versed summit]

Then look at the HE Red… it’s literally this but actually useful

[hot gale]

Thats the whole point of me doing this particular build for something different

[versed summit]

You just want to make a mid build?

[hot gale]

Are you being passive aggressive intentionally or is this how you normally talk to people?

[onyx sage]

you've already tried headhunter, eclipse burn, eclipse foam, mortar and all that stuff?

no, he literally just means you don't have to avoid the best ones, they're good but they're actually decently many and we doubt you've actually tried them all to call them boring

there's not just one "meta" build

you can actually try "something different" by making variants of the best ones

[magic pilot]

Run solo legendary

[hot gale]

I finished my headhunter, eclipse build, mortar build, skill build, striker build, hotshot sniper build, exuro, hard wire, and the list goes on, now im working on a defender drone build still after finding out you can become immune with expertise and mods

[versed summit]

To be honest I’m at a loss. If you want to make a HE red, it will literally play the exact same as this does, except it’s more effective in every way…

I get wanting variety, I can get wanting a challenge, but making a build that doesn’t do anything unique seems like a waste.

[onyx sage]

for the one you're thinking about, even if you can hit 100% DR with defender drone it won't last very long or be very useful

i mean you can try

[hot gale]

Im aware

[hexed steppe]

do you have a nego build yet? for pve anyways, im not sure your desired use