td2-build-advice

[plain girder]

Hunters fury with lady death smacks tho and u also become the flash as a bonus

[lone blade]

ty

[plain girder]

Make sure has damage 2tgts out of cover aswell for any weapon in the game rlly

[lone blade]

need to work on more Dttoc, but you were right. Lady death slaps ^^

[versed summit]

Honestly I’d do an MP7 or a Banshee with Fast Hands. Vector’s don’t perform as well anymore and the Lady Death is good, but IMO doesn’t hold up as well for higher difficulties.

[gentle lichen]

Uptime on lady death will be really hard

Better use something more consistent such as what IC3SO mentioned

I agree on challenging and below but heroic if you can't 1 mag kill with lady death might as well dump it

[stoic hatch]

i really like smg builds but im struggling to find one that has good dps and isnt always 1 shot

any help?

[versed summit]

Hunters Fury is the de facto SMG build. Using a shield is what’s going to make the biggest difference for your survivability there.

Using memento or ad rush with maybe a couple blue cores on top can help as well.

[stoic hatch]

which ones hunters fury?

named gold?

oh

the set nvm

[versed summit]

There’s a great guide in the pinned spreadsheet.

[torn sail]

Is it even possible to max roll gear mods? I don't think I've ever rolled anything higher than like a 5.4% crit chance

[magic pilot]

craft them rn

[lilac sun]

what kind of builds should i be running for DH raid?

[versed summit]

If you’re an FTC a normal striker build is fine, a HE red is better especially if you actually want to learn the raid and aren’t just hunting for exotics.

I wouldn’t bother with any other builds as an FTC.

[lilac sun]

thank you

[strong cave]

For what the build is, it looks okay to me. To make it better, I'd suggest taking a chest piece with obliterate on it, can be the same brand since I'm pretty sure you're using uzina for Armor on kill? Nego chest piece is nice but you're trading a chest talent to mark all of 2 more targets

Shotgun also isn't worth running, you don't wanna be up close and personal with nego. I'd dare argue that an SMG would be better because it has more range than a shotgun. Other than those minor changes that I'd make, build looks okay. What's the blue attributes about? Am curious

[rich lotus]

just survivability / armor on kill stuff

noted about the shotgun

and chest piece, i'll have to farm a bit from that brand

[strong cave]

Killing faster = survivability (lmao it's corny buts it's true)

Yeah you'll be farming pretty hard for a uzina chest with obliterate on it. Palisades steelworks seems like an easier brand to target

You get the armor from uzina and Palisades gives armor on kill. Both come with an armor attribute and if you can get crits on them and roll for obliterate, use an AoK mod so you can keep the crits but also maintain the AoK

[rich lotus]

gotcha

[lone blade]

well.. i found a smg with max rolled stuff.. Shame iut aint a Banshe or Mp7 but^^ .

[strong cave]

Aug isn't too bad, it's nice to run once in a while

The rpm is a bit low but it's a hard hitting SMG. I use it myself with up close and personal and strained

[elder fog]

is this a bug?
where are the other projects 😅

[fair dragon]

have you completed WoNY?

nvm I see you made the same post in #ask-td2-community

[elder fog]

7/17 missions
but the projects were there last week while im at 2/17
so should i complete all 17 first?

[rich lotus]

what kind of build should i make with memento? so far i got this that is working pretty well

i should probably get a better chest talent?

trauma has way too long of a cooldown to be impactful in any way

[urban latch]

yeah trauma really isnt that useful. Memento is basically the easiest way to get a bunch of survivability on a build.

[rich lotus]

yeah that's why i wanted to get it on my smg builds

it's really nice to run actually

even with this very unoptimized strikers mix it's pretty great

[analog mural]

never run memento on striker

because you will give up 35% damage doing so

[rich lotus]

i'm up for suggestions

[analog mural]

use strikers bp

[rich lotus]

that's a nope

[analog mural]

coyote mask and a ceska chest for more versatility

[rich lotus]

i'd rather survive

[analog mural]

you will survive on harder contents provided theres a healer with you

[rich lotus]

just trying to live off the 20% armor repair on kill never works

[analog mural]

otherwise your strikers build wont cut it for incursion/raids

[rich lotus]

got that

[urban latch]

I wouldnt say never. Its just a tradeoff of damage at stacks for survivability.

[analog mural]

mmm but yea i guess its not inherently bad to run strikers with memento if ur doing open world or something

coz in group play you will lose out on 35% damage

[urban latch]

its not a 35% difference because your also gaining damage from memento

[analog mural]

true that, but everyone else is bound to steal your kills 🤔

like you would be losing big time in countdown running memento

[urban latch]

also the striker backpack vs nothing at 100 stacks is a difference of 21%, not 35%

[analog mural]

wait what i thought it increased the base 0.65% amp per stack to 1% amp per stack?

[urban latch]

right, but those stacks are additive with themselves. So at 100 stacks with the backpack your doing 2x damage, without the backpack your doing 1.65x damage. 2/1.65=1.21, or 21% damage increase

[analog mural]

🤔 my brain isnt braining rn

[rich lotus]

either way, if not running memento with striker what else would combo well with it

i picked striker cause i have it partially maxed

[analog mural]

well like i said a ceska chest with obliterate and coyote is usually what people build strikers with

[rich lotus]

i meant memento

[urban latch]

memento can be added to add survivability to most builds. Its just the effectiveness is limted by how many kills your getting, so thats why its better solo than in groups, and really struggles in things like the incursion and raids

[rich lotus]

basically all my time is solo

[analog mural]

oh um i like running memento with hunters fury

if you care about survival that much, try HF

[analog mural]

but why using division here? i thought you were supposed to deduct the 100% with the 65% to see the difference?

[onyx sage]

if you just get 1 big number at the end for both cases, getting the multiplier difference is the only way

think logically about it, do you see people compare statistics irl by subtraction or division

[analog mural]

oh now i get it

math is hard

[urban latch]

This is the same striker build, just with and without the strikers backpack talent

[onyx sage]

and the best way to compare the 2 isn't to subtract, it's to divide

[urban latch]

21% difference, exactly what we were expecting. The same way we divide these numbers to see the difference between them, we can also divide the multipliers from strikers to see the difference between that multiplier

[analog mural]

so is memento at full stacks competitive with a strikers bp?

[urban latch]

tbh its been ages since ive tested it, but at max stacks its right in that ballpark

Because your missing the minor crit attributes I think it ends up being around a 20% damage increase at max stacks, but thats going off memory from testing like 2+ years ago

[analog mural]

what about 200 stacks strikers vs the usual ceska with obliterate and strikers bp? is there a major difference in damage?

[onyx sage]

20%

[urban latch]

also because memento gives WD, things like experience will slightly reduce that damage increase

[onyx sage]

you're basically comparing obliterate vs striker chest

[analog mural]

yes sir

[urban latch]

that would be a 3x amp vs a 2.3x amp, so a 30% damage increase which is huge

wait, thats strikers BP vs no BP with the chest on, not what you were asking

[onyx sage]

you do run striker bp in the usual- ye

if we do have backpack in both cases it's 3 vs 2.5

[urban latch]

You basically asking the obliterate setup + BP vs striker chest and backpack?
2 x 1.25 = 2.5
3/2.5 = 1.2 or 20% more.

Its why the striker chest/backpack is so strong when your in a situation where you can maintain max stacks

[onyx sage]

i just assume what he asked was the typical striker bp + oblit setup, which gives 2 × 1.25

vs striker bp + chest which is 3

[urban latch]

you saw nothing....

[onyx sage]

i didn't see anything

[tulip charm]

All this math 🤯

[analog mural]

yup

ive seen your updated strikers build guides and you are suggesting that bloody knuckles can also be used to further boost your damage?

[urban latch]

thats mainly for incursion boss fights. The 20% differences between strikers chest or strikers backpacks are already large, running BK is a 25% damage increase which is pretty wild

the loverbirds when you have 2 or 3 dps players running BK are an absolute joke, they go down in seconds

[analog mural]

weird question but... the last time i played incursion, someone was running a full on pfe build with 6 blue cores, i can see the pfe being somewhat useful but running 6 blue cores is wild, is there any point in running pfe mods tho?

[urban latch]

absolutely not

[analog mural]

our team took eons to kill lovebirds simply because of that one guy who brought his pvp build looking ahh into incursion -.-

i dont see the point of having alot of blue cores in the incursion when you have a healer tho

[urban latch]

yeah when youve only got 4 players there will be a large impact when someone runs something completely pointless. Your effectily playing with 3 at that point

[analog mural]

true that 💀

the fact that i had to restock ammo 3 times in that fight was something

[magic pilot]

Turrets you have 1 oxi 3 dps, tanker is 4 dps, rest of the run is 3 dps 1 healer

[vestal ibex]

That's an optimized kwtd group typically. No idea what this person has suffered at the hands of ingame MM.

[magic pilot]

Ideally that's what you'd run

[ornate zealot]

whats the best spec for a scorpio build?

[vestal ibex]

Yes.

Short answer is every build is a scorpio build, pick whatever spec.

[stoic hatch]

whats a good ar build without exotic guns

[tulip charm]

The usual dps set

[stoic hatch]

idk what that is

sets or just golds?

[tulip charm]

Striker, Nego, Heartbreaker, High End

all that jazz

[stoic hatch]

ok

this decent?

[tulip charm]

I would change the backpack for Ceska Bag with Vigilance

And run Technican

[stoic hatch]

i dont have technican yes

also how would i get the 4 peice

[tulip charm]

You replace the holster :p

[stoic hatch]

well time to farm one then XD

i have this just the wrong talent

[tulip charm]

Also You want to aim for 50% chc and as much chd as you can

[stoic hatch]

what im at rn with kingbreaker

[tulip charm]

ok

[stoic hatch]

aint no one doing countdown

[tulip charm]

what about challenging

[stoic hatch]

i thought people only did hardest

[versed summit]

Challenging is the go to

[stoic hatch]

ok ty

https://docs.google.com/document/d/18nCNXhxQQQT7AXhEyRoUbKoY7zjf3a5QdPH2EUoQg6s/edit

i might try make this

its a backfire build

[vestal ibex]

@fickle light Any advice for this new person on making this build?

[hexed steppe]

Oh no, not backfire

[stoic hatch]

is it no good

[tulip charm]

Not really

[stoic hatch]

rip

that and lady death are my only exotic smgs

[hexed steppe]

Sounds good, but it takes too long to stack. And you trade crit for hazpro so you dont die on reload

[hazy steeple]

Exotic doesn't really mean "better" for div2. It's all about how the item works in the build.

[stoic hatch]

yeah i get that but they look cool

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hexed steppe]

There are lady death, chatterbox, and the goated oreo exotics for smg

[stoic hatch]

is hunters fury lady death good?

[tulip charm]

Its alright

But theres other smg that will outdamage it

[stoic hatch]

like?

[tulip charm]

banshee and mp7

[stoic hatch]

does the grudge work

[tulip charm]

Probably idk

[hazy steeple]

Almost any high-end SMG (gold) will outperform LD, assuming it has dtooc as the 3rd attribute, and a good Talent.

[hazy steeple]

Talent is kinda pants compared to Strained or Fast Hands, those are the probably best "overall" 2 Talents for SMGs.

[stoic hatch]

ok

[hazy steeple]

same rule about Named Items as Exotics btw.

[stoic hatch]

some non named are just better?

[onyx sage]

ye

[stoic hatch]

aight ty

[onyx sage]

don't be misled by all the shiny stuff

[hazy steeple]

That being said, the shiny stuff is a lot of fun to use.

special shout-out to the Dark Winter with gems skin.

[stoic hatch]

this is what im working with rn then

[onyx sage]

there's a spreadsheet pinned here with the builds you want, idk if that's been mentioned yet

[inner forge]

Is the goto Scorpio build still 4HF, Memento?

[tulip charm]

Thats a very good solo build

[onyx sage]

depends on what you mean by "goto", but for a good solo build yeah

[inner forge]

I finally got one, so I'm just throwing something together to mess with. I suppose I need to learn to use Pulse and get a proper chest piece now. lol

Also, Scorpio optimization, the base CHC or Damage to Targets out of Cover like every other shottie?

Scratch that, just saw it can't be recalibrated away from CHC. lol

[onyx sage]

you can reconfigure it, just like any other exotic gun

reconfigure until you get dttooc then optimize

[inner forge]

You mean at the crafting bench? You can remake Exos?

[vestal ibex]

Reconfigure, basically it random rolls the item and on exotic weapons the third attribute will randomize.

[inner forge]

...I didn't know they added this. Gotta stop taking long breaks from the game. lol

[vestal ibex]

I think that's been around forever.

Not the random third attribute tho

Reconfigure came with WONY I think.

[inner forge]

I vaguely remember hitting 40, "beating" WoNY, and then I stopped playing. lol I've been around like twice since then, just to poke the new Event, then wandered off.

[gusty tapir]

so I just came across breakpoint set. and was wondering if anybody tested it out fully. Im using determined hotshot atm. But im tempted to go breaking point with an holster as the 4 piece instead

[versed summit]

It’s mediocre. Wouldn’t recommend it.

[dull ermine]

Hotshot gives you your handling without charging you for delivery

You just need to land 1 shot to get damage buff

Break point = waiting for delivery, useless when not active

It’s like when you pay for express shipping and your stuff is late

[gusty tapir]

Yea I can feel that. Handling isnt that big of an issues but yea aint the best. Its ok for new people getting into the game until they get hotshot I suppose

[bright raptor]

but there's nothing stopping you from getting a fully optimized Hotshot build before doing so with Breaking Point

[lone blade]

Do i need to hit max level before i can god roll via bench ?

[tulip charm]

Yes

[versed summit]

I don’t think so tbh, but you want to be lvl 40 to craft level 40 gear

[vestal ibex]

Pretty sure it works at all levels but who needs nice gear at a low level.

[fickle light]

as much as i love backfire, dont make the build. theres so much better stuff to make, only make it if you just want something stupid to mess around with, its not really viable

you've reminded me to rewrite portions of the guide, as well. I'll get around to it eventually

[vestal ibex]

Might be better to label it old and in need of an update. Regardless thanks for the response. @stoic hatch Here is the take from the creator of the build guide you posted for backfire.

[fickle light]

actually @blissful rampart hey quick question can you do me a solid and strikethrough my backfire build on the spreadsheet and write a note that says "guidemaker is lazy this needs an update"

[onyx sage]

i can do that too since he's probably busy

[fickle light]

you have my direct approval, throw it near the bottom or just strike it out, i've been needing to fix it for ages, just havent gotten the time to yknow

[blissful rampart]

i have been pinged!

but yea just been super busy in RL 😭

[magic pilot]

.... I do

I'm available to help out if needed

I did notice a few of the builds are out of date

[onyx sage]

okie you'll do it then?

[blissful rampart]

i added the note to that backfire build, yes

[fickle light]

[strong cave]

what the hell kinda build is this guy running for dark zone??? hes shredding everyone...

[magic pilot]

Skill issue

[strong cave]

its so hard to even get near this guy, ive never seen this build in use before

[magic pilot]

Not sure why he chose OD I see that setup with striker a lot, I checked his stats and he's not blatantly cheating or anything

[strong cave]

i checked too, hes pretty legit. he does miss but GOD does this build shred. He might be onto something

the bleed is so nasty, and the damage he does is 🤯

hard to push him or try to shoot him from a distance too. cant push him in a building, theres a hive in a cheeky spot. the sticky is to stagger when he gets close. this is a very close quarters build but it hits at a distance too

[wise swallow]

Hit shots

If he’s hitting all heads you don’t need a meta build

[strong cave]

nah i cant even peek my head out bc soon as i do, im dead 😭

[magic pilot]

Regen

[strong cave]

dude even dropped my 2m armor bonk build pretty quickly too and i have hazpro on that

[magic pilot]

How much haz?

[strong cave]

and armor regen, like ~90k for it and i popped 2 instakits

[strong cave]

60 with 3 bleed resis mods

i know im not the best at pvp but this build is so damn weird. ive never seen it before

WAIT i know why he has it set up that way. OD gives buffed damage to bleeding targets? skill tiers for capacitor as well

ah okay i see why he built it that way

[gentle lichen]

Run irrelevant build
Get irrelevant results

That shit is straight garbage

[magic pilot]

@strong cave do you run headshot builds at all or just crit?

[tulip charm]

@magic pilot dude conflict is so cancer

But pretty fun

[wise swallow]

what

Ive never seen someone say that

conflict is pretty fun

[gentle lichen]

Never have an opinion again

[wise swallow]

must be a fire player

only way to enjoy conflict

[gentle lichen]

I've played almost hundreds of matches but yet to have someone play headshot there unless hotshot

[wise swallow]

I do

Cuz im special and cool and good

[tulip charm]

Nah Its only fun if your winning

and its not complete one sided

[wise swallow]

typically hjow it goes

[glossy scarab]

sounds like the inscription on a participation trophy "Special and cool and good"

[wise swallow]

thats what it said on my trophy for scoring the highest score on the autism spectrum without having autism

[gentle lichen]

You might wanna sit down for this...

[glossy scarab]

hang on. this is build advice. this place keeps turning into off topic and i forget its supposed to be build advice

[tulip charm]

I enjoy the return of the godroll bench

Enabled me to build 3 decent pvp build

So now I need them cancer builds

[glossy scarab]

unicrons

[onyx sage]

i only spout the build advice my imaginary friend told me but it turns out the advice is actually helpful (sometimes)

[cloud pasture]

where do i find summit crates to open with key?

[gentle lichen]

How you do that again?

[peak sphinx]

Every 3 floors (3/6/9) there is a big crate ypu can open if you found the key before @cloud pasture

Gotta find new key after every opening

[hexed steppe]

Sometimes its behind a locked door. Either padlock or electrical box to shoot

[strong cave]

I run both, currently trying to check out a 1 shot mantis sniper build for dz and conflict

I have more respect for headshot builds than I do crit builds. Crits you just body dump, heads is well... Heads 🗿

Been getting the floor mopped with me in dz and conflict is a cancer fest full of spawn camping mortar/fire chem builds. I'm probably gonna live in PvE for a bit so I can take a break from pvp. I'm super burnt out

[tulip charm]

Just make a new lv 40 character

[torn sail]

It only took like 14 exotic components for a near max roll

[magic pilot]

Start crafting electrique

[magic pilot]

I highly recommend a full Hazpro build with EB/hsd

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/KwJgtAbGAMbgzDJsXLSgXARkQFknGIgJwDs6Fqm8xY+UCRAHJa5rlmFvvuFW5Qy4ouWLwH9JQ2lFh8JbDOHzxy3RN2Bdc+brPQZJC6IeMGTRqZfRA

[strong cave]

Crafting bug woulda had that max rolled every time, and likely you woulda had dttoc pretty much instantly

🤣

[strong cave]

Would a Regen version work?

I love the look of that, imma snag it

[tulip charm]

Oh?

[cloud pasture]

ohh i forgot to change the challenge to open 3 crate with keys😢

[magic pilot]

For bleed I would run hazpro, bleed can out dps the regen since you are slowed

[versed summit]

What if you used Acosta’s 🤔

Probably not worth it, but maybe worth trying out?

[magic pilot]

I'll give it a test later

[dense cloak]

Question, what build is best for solo/group with Ravenous?
I believe I can't use Hotshot gearset, because Hotshot is for marksman no?

[solar sable]

Ravenous is a niche weapon.
Yes, HS is for MMR's.

[dense cloak]

Ah, it's not good for daily DPS then...

[solar sable]

nope

[spark ingot]

How am i able to see what to grind for the 1 shot sniper build exotic cp

[sharp gust]

For example this guy has a video visualizing his 1 shot sniper build https://youtu.be/rfI-Ic8LD20

[strong cave]

^^ use this build. If you need more survivability, ditch vigilance for bloodsucker

[strong cave]

Ravenous is a niche weapon, as doomz has stated. However tho, you can make a build with it that's nice in countdown. 4 pieces of negotiators dilemma(take backpack as well), coyote mask, and ceska chest piece. You'll want obliterate for the chest piece. Roll crits everywhere you can on the gear. Primary will be ravenous, secondary can be whatever gun you like. Mark 3 targets, click click click shoulder swap with ravenous, watch the damage happen. Now, if you're looking for a DPS gun, this isn't it. But, if you want a use for it other than the 1 shot IH build, this is a nice option

[livid mesa]

What's the best gear for raids on normal or the incursion

[dense cloak]

Holy- that's interesting! 😱 Lemme try it

[versed summit]

High End Red for raids, and Striker’s for Incursion. Both guides are in the pinned spreadsheet, and you can get away with Striker’s for the raids if you need to.

[strong cave]

Don't expect it to clear rooms like what a striker build would do, it's simply not meant for it. You can mark up to 3 targets with the gear (5 with chest), and the backpack increases damage transfer from 60% to 100%. I don't recommend the build at all in a solo standpoint, only in groups. If you would like a nice high end spotter build, I'd recommend that over Ravenous/Negotiators as it does insane DPS without the need to get stacks (and it's also great for solo players)

[dense cloak]

I see... Striker builds still top of the line until now

[strong cave]

Yeah, sadly :( but spotter builds can match the DPS in an instant without needing to stack your damage. You'll be doing slightly less damage than a fully kitted Chest + BP striker build, but the damage is instant

[versed summit]

slightly?

[strong cave]

I usually take strikers over spotter/high end builds 😅 guilty as charged

[versed summit]

it’s quite a significant damage increase, not slight

[strong cave]

For striker or spotter?

[versed summit]

striker over spotter

[strong cave]

That is true, you get more damage from strikers (woah, who woulda thought!!!)

Strikers gives way more sustained damage while spotter is instant damage. I sometimes swap back and forth between the two if I can't keep my striker stacks up due to low hostile count

Either way, @dense cloak , there's plenty of DPS options out there, just gotta find what fits your playstyle and what builds work for you. All I'm doing at this point is giving options, up to you to decide the road you wanna take ✌️

[cloud pasture]

why the cp change to red again after i login again ?

[gilded vale]

Bugs, bugs and more bugs

[dense cloak]

Yes, thx you for all DPS build suggestions~

[strong cave]

@dense cloak this is the spotter build I was talking about, altho this is a PvP version. For PvE, just ditch the armor cores and take a grupo holster over Picaro's holster as that 1 armor core likely won't save your life. Make sure with technician, you spec into rifles for the linked laser pointer, which allows you to pulse enemies when you point your gun at them. Decoy skill isn't needed, so you can probably take a reviver hive and call it a day 👍 or a shield, whichever you prefer :D

Edit: also, ditch vigilance if you tend to be an easy target. Take unstoppable force instead. Yes, you gotta get kills to get 5% per stack (stacks up to 5 times, giving 25% weapon damage at max). Gives the same bonus like vigi but won't be instant or lost when shot

[versed summit]

If you’re going for a HE spotter build I’d recommend taking a look at the HE red build guide in the pinned spreadsheet.

[strong cave]

^^ this too. I only have images of the builds that I run, not the images from the spreadsheet

[urban latch]

Why is your primary ravenous...

[dense cloak]

Ohh, it's a bit similar with my daily DPS build. If it's has better damage, I can try 😃

[strong cave]

Well, strikers will always out DPS spotter when at full stacks. Nothing can be changed about that. Spotter is mostly used for instant damage, while strikers is for sustained damage in hostile rich environments

[strong cave]

Gus asked for a ravenous build, but if you ask me personally, I'd rather use a normal gun to do damage and spread the nego marks and then swap to rav when oblit is at max stacks (technically making ravenous a secondary)

[dense cloak]

Welp, I was given Rav during my clan raid. And they asked me to get max proficiency of it so I can upgrade it

[urban latch]

But why nego/rav...

[dense cloak]

But I am an AR guy, kinda not up to date with rifle DPS build

[strong cave]

Its the only build I can think of that it's actually useful on and even then it has such a niche use 😭

[urban latch]

Because I feel like you've just seen the picture in my guide but have not at all understood the reasoning/use. As a general use gun on nego specifically that's not at all a good option

[urban latch]

You don't need to try and answer every single question on here when you don't have a good answer or backing for it. Just throwing out random builds only misleads people, like you just have done to @dense cloak, because you've just given him multiple.bad examples of builds and he's thanked you for it....

[strong cave]

I play the game to have fun, not be an elitist and pick hairs over every fucking build 😪

Stop talking to me, all you do is piss me off now.

[urban latch]

Go play the game however you want, if you want to give advice to others, you've got a responsibility to be accurate

[strong cave]

Blocked 👍

[urban latch]

If that's what you want to do lol, then sure

[dense cloak]

It's okay tho 😳 I am interested in any build options to test

[strong cave]

^^ this. it's called "trying shit out". Learn it 🤡

Have a good day, all

[urban latch]

👆

[glossy scarab]

even if I had a ravenous I would still just use an M1A CQB with boomerange with negotiators

[vestal ibex]

Come on man new players come here for funk builds in our "trying shit out" loadouts, don't be such an elitist. /s

[glossy scarab]

👍 im down with funk builds

i wont point it out anymore when someone is using 5 pieces of a gear set. because you're right, its quirky and creative

[lyric prism]

might need optimization or ......something./

(remember, never take this seriously)

[tulip charm]

damn imagine needing 486 rounds to proc steady handed

[lyric prism]

right

BK goes to 1480 rounds but it starts acting odd

switch TP to the mask and run anything else for the chest.

thats about all you can do.

[analog mural]

we are never running out of bullets with this one or should i say bullet king lite

[lyric prism]

ditch the TP/Zapowhatever and the GR9 would be fine. 375 rounds w/ the ninja and 2p Brazos.

still, lol

[versed summit]

we really need them to add some decent gear…

[analog mural]

i miss the good old days where exotics felt like exotics

[hexed steppe]

This, is sad.
Everyone able to put out builds to get feedback on. But tbf, if you're gonna put out a build to someone as advice, you need to be able to stand up to scrutiny and pushback. Stand behind the build and explain why you think it's a good option, rather than block someone giving a critical response.
If you think it's the best option, prove it... otherwise I would suggest not putting it forward as advice.

[lyric prism]

true

I do like having over 300 rounds on a QR, the supression never ends for a group.

that has come in handy for some groups I have run with.

[versed summit]

just use Bullet King? can’t think of a reason I want to suppress enemies so DTOC isn’t applicable and my team can’t shoot them anyways.

[analog mural]

yo @urban latch i really want to try out nego but for some reason the playstyle never clicked for me... so what are the best use cases where nego might be on par with striker?

[onyx sage]

at least in legendary or against black tusk in general, it excels at killing dogs since its spread damage ignores its armor plating

[lyric prism]

I tried with BK and for some reason suppression stops working or has some odd interaction on frequent occasions. I just use a QR or GR9 and its fine.

[onyx sage]

but it's also good at mobbing content

[analog mural]

so generally speaking, any content that has many ads to kill is a good for negos?

[lyric prism]

like the mechanics kicks in with BK but it lasts a second or two, thats it, they are back up and moving but the supressed thing is still on them.

[versed summit]

ok what’s a QR?

[onyx sage]

yes

[lyric prism]

Quiet Roar.

[urban latch]

Imo it's one of the best general use builds in the game. I think the backpack, while good, is very overrated and more often than not your better off with vigilance. Running the ND backpack makes it feel very weak on single targets, and I think it's a big reason it doesn't click with a lot of people

[analog mural]

i see

[versed summit]

ah that’s why. fair enough.

[analog mural]

what about um flatline and spotter? is it the best option for damage output? would obliterate and optimist/fast hands be a good alternatives?

[onyx sage]

obliterate is better

[urban latch]

Yeah, those are all solid options. Really just preference between them if you want the higher initial damage of spotter or the higher damage of obliterate once it builds up

With the duration buff obliterate got, it's just really good now

[lyric prism]

Why without the backpack? is 40% dmg loss better with vig? I do run ND more often that other sets.

[analog mural]

he explained above that running the nego bp makes your single target dps relatively weak, which is one of the reasons why nego didnt feel good to play with

[onyx sage]

it really depends on the person, i rather like playing with vigilance

[lyric prism]

ok I see it now, ty. I guess I just never noticed it feeling weak.

[analog mural]

this is a pet peeve of mine too because nego didnt click for me when i only have several targets to shoot at, but either way id love to give nego another shot

[urban latch]

The ND backpack will only put out more damage when your hitting 3 separate targets. On two targets it's effectively even, and on single vigilance is obviously higher. And the advantage vigi has on single targets is larger than the 3 target advantage the backpack has.

Also the ND backpack isn't just 40% increased damage across the board. That's only increased crit damage to your marked targets. Vigilance is giving +25% damage to all targets, crit and non-crits, single and tagged targets

[onyx sage]

it's really nice, one thing that's cool is it doesn't suffer in low hp content like striker (it doesn't have to "scale" with the target hp to become stronger)

[urban latch]

Vigilance also let's you better control who your focusing your damage on. You can tag weaker enemies, then focus on a higher health target.

This is all assuming vigilance is up obviously, but with practice using a crusader shield you can have it up the vast majority of the time

[analog mural]

yea true that, strikers suffer in content that enemies die real fast, so what about nego in group content like countdown? would it fall flat?

[onyx sage]

just apply this principle: great against mobs, not so great against single targets

[lyric prism]

ok ty for the details. Makes a boss only fight make sense.

[onyx sage]

this means it'll be great against the actual objectives, but not so great when you have to deal with single hunters for example

[analog mural]

i got shot all the time so i was surprised that you recommended nego with blue cores... it would still be decent to run a tanky nego setup in the open world and still deal decent damage?

[onyx sage]

yes, absolutely. i can vouch for that

[analog mural]

but probably ditch memento in group settings is what i am assuming

[urban latch]

If you want a more defensive option go with memento. Nego with memento has been my main HC build for years

[analog mural]

roger that

[onyx sage]

it's quite funny, but when HF+scorpio came out I spent more time running blue nego with scorpio than HF

[analog mural]

guess i am the weird one for liking blue core HF

[onyx sage]

and running nego with a shotgun has an interesting effect where your dta is actually stronger (because it's applied twice)

[onyx sage]

nah you'd be the majority

[analog mural]

i dont see many people mentioning blue HF tho

[onyx sage]

when it came out basically everyone i knew ran blue HF scorpio

[analog mural]

i would say scorpio with HF feels busted op

but i used scorpio on healer builds 24/7 so i got sick of the scorpio lol

[urban latch]

There was a long stretch of time where HF was the "OMG it's the only build worth running" build for casuals that striker now currently sits in

[lyric prism]

I loved grinding summit with an HF build and Dark Winter, splat, never die.

[onyx sage]

you're in luck. ubi, in their infinite wisdom, released brazen

[analog mural]

when i first tried HF it didnt click for me because i didnt get a chest piece with obliterate to give HF more killing potential and i just used the HF chest because i assumed id need more uptime on its talent, but when i did it felt busted when running solo and clearing ads in close range

[urban latch]

That setup is definitely on par with nego and strikers imo. Just wait until you try the regulus HH version lol

[onyx sage]

so true

[analog mural]

the only problem is the damage on kill talent doesnt cut it in probably countdown. regulus HH is indeed busted OP but my aim is ass so i used d50 with determined

and go yee-haw on them outcast lackies, truly a build of all time

[onyx sage]

striker dominates countdown, but it's the outlier

but the kill stacking works on low difficulties open world+mission and legendary

[analog mural]

yea thats my point, anything that isnt in a big group setting makes HF really good because the damage ramps up fast

[urban latch]

Tbh in countdown I still prefer a high end dps with DCH and regulus. You can clear a while spawn of ads, or use it to quickly finish off hunters before they heal

[analog mural]

well i think in cd everything is fair game... except for tank builds

[lyric prism]

fire/foam/banshee is my fun these days in cd. something different makes extractions easy.

[strong cave]

I can do as a i please, you're not my parent. Also, next time, ping me and actually acknowledge me instead of doing a ghost reply 🤣🥶

[versed summit]

well fair enough, no one takes you seriously anyways

[hexed steppe]

Expect a lot of pushback when the build is sub par then

[strong cave]

So you're saying I'm unwelcome here?

Damn and we wonder why this game is dying

[urban latch]

That's not at all what is being said. Your welcome here, but when you constantly give people advice others who are also welcome here are going to push back

[onyx sage]

don't take offense so easily and see that people are giving you feedback because they're good feedback, not because they want to shut you down here

[glossy scarab]

can we just be adult about these types of things, be nice with your advice without trashing the persons build. and also be able to take constructive criticism without feeling personally attacked

[vestal ibex]

They gone so eh.

[tulip charm]

@magic pilot ✅ or ❌

[versed summit]

4 pc electrique

[tulip charm]

OH SHIT

[versed summit]

should be golden with fox’s or catharsis though.

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[bright raptor]

look at us big meanies, chasing off dispensers of bad advice to the subreddit or YouTube /s

[tulip charm]

Now the quest is do you run double companion or not

[versed summit]

tbh I think it’d be better to run unbreakable

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[bright raptor]

also I think I missed what skills you plan to run on this, since doesn't double companion rely on being pretty close to your deployed skills?

[tulip charm]

After running a few conflict. I feel like unbreakable is so good to have compared to efficent

[onyx sage]

even so, to r/Division2 because r/thedivision is going to blast them also

[tulip charm]

You can run defender drone and proc it

[versed summit]

the uptime tho…

[tulip charm]

Or mender

[bright raptor]

so Defender and what other one, stinger hive given the amount of Electrique you're running?

or burn sticky?

[tulip charm]

Or seeker, hive

I guess I'd run Defender and decoy for conflict and for dz mender seeker and defender

[tulip charm]

Also funny enough the reason to go 3 piece electrique is mainly for the 30% smg damage which is huge for pvp

The 1 and 2 piece bonus is meh

[magic pilot]

Build looks good

[tulip charm]

Approved by the pvp guy

Ill take that

[livid mesa]

Honestly a medic with overclock and high constant healing would do good in Bosses such as the drones

[vestal ibex]

Healer build in the spreadsheet guides is what you should use, regardless of content imo.

[magic pilot]

He's recommending FTC builds

I think the recent surge of overclock use is over rated

[livid mesa]

The chameleon destroyer

[magic pilot]

That's me

OGs know

[onyx sage]

@surreal depot wake up

[livid mesa]

@magic pilot vs @surreal depot

[magic pilot]

It's a common battle

[tawdry flare]

5.11 with chameleon or you are doing it wrong

[livid mesa]

Bro why do you have a high end rotor blade

Get an exotic one

[onyx sage]

only my uncle has exotic rotor blades

but i have exotic binoculars

[versed summit]

tbh I really like overclock, it’s just very hard justifying it over perf oppurtunistic, also doesn’t do a whole lot for cooldowns when your team has revive hives and shields lol.

[tawdry flare]

Only if it applied to 30m radius

[livid mesa]

Ok but i find stupidly funny to have an rotor blade gun

[warm knot]

What's the setup for ouro striker? I'm planning to use it on incursion.

[surreal depot]

ur uncle told me he uses chameleon

i rest my case

[versed summit]

4 pc chest & backpack and ceska+Coyote’s or Bloody Knuckles

[feral dove]

whats a good build for open world? just gonna go grind shd levels

[tulip charm]

Headhunter Fury

[versed summit]

Headhunter hotshot is good as well

[onyx sage]

headhunter

[versed summit]

headhunter

[vestal ibex]

(っ◔◡◔)っ ♥ headhunter ♥

[woven pewter]

Furyhunter

[feral dove]

ohh okok thankyou guysssss

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=dac488ca-a827-b49b-7b65-917751756b2c&noteKey=bf5edc877964a987205b04cc6ddda64a&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2Fdac488ca-a827-b49b-7b65-917751756b2c%2Fbf5edc877964a987205b04cc6ddda64a&title=Hunters%2BFury%2B%2528Y5%2BS2%2529

is it this one

[feral dove]

yea been using this but just rly unlucky if the leader is like heavily armored

[feral dove]

is it this bro @tulip charm

[woven pewter]

Yea, helmets eats the HH buff and you need to reproc it.

[feral dove]

yea rly annoying

[woven pewter]

From red/purples or rushers.

Well, you'll get used to it. :p

[onyx sage]

yeah, you have to plan around it

[woven pewter]

The hyena baton rushers are the worst with their zig-zag movements. 🤣

But like i saidyou'll get used to it. :)

[feral dove]

aaaaaa

just came back since march completely forgot how annoying those are XD

[tulip charm]

If you can break helmet then you can easily kill them as they stagger

[onyx sage]

so pro

[vestal ibex]

I always tell people to just killem.

[feral dove]

idk i cant break their helmet with one hs using a sniper

[tulip charm]

Then you need more damage!

[feral dove]

my hs hits only like 21m

[vestal ibex]

That's plenty.

[feral dove]

is that low still

[tulip charm]

21m is more than enough

[tepid steppe]

shd 32 and always run solo. any gear set i should shoot for?+

[versed summit]

Striker's Battlegear, Hunter's Fury, or Hotshot depending which weapons you like to play with.

[rich lotus]

solo build has been carrying me

also works fine with groups, countdown is out the question with memento tho

[versed summit]

I would very much recommend dropping the striker chest and getting a ceska chest with obliterate.

[rich lotus]

really?

that much better than the striker bonus?

[versed summit]

sort of. It's less damage but it ramps up more quickly and is easier to maintain.

[rich lotus]

understood

ty for the tip

[versed summit]

you'll need to maintain around 175 stacks without the backpack to compete with an obliterate chest

[rich lotus]

probably better if i'm in a group then

solo i can fill the stacks really well with the sbr

[urban latch]

ideally an ACS12 will build stacks far faster. But yeah, espesically if your not running the striker backpack, dont bother with the chest

[short verge]

The new gear set is astoundingly... neat. Is anyone able to take advantage of its Talents with Rifles/MMRs with low magazine sizes? I feel like it's best used with the ones you can spam the hell out of.

[hexed steppe]

Might be better damage with a high end chest since itll increase all damage regardless of on-point being procced, instead of giving 5s more time on the buff...
I imagine it would need to be glass or spotter tho, but either would help you skills as an added bonus.
I'm not sure what's bis on that set tho so take it with a grain of salt.

[ripe current]

what does accuracy do vs stability on snipers? they dont shoot fast enough for recoil to affect them (at least bolt action ones), and theyre 100% accurate if youre not moving either. if you are moving though, neither stat at around 30% has any noticable affect imo, so which one to go for? or just get 20% of both?

[hexed steppe]

stability will stop scope sway at 100%

[versed summit]

Stability affects your sway, and because of that is pretty worthwhile

I really don’t think accuracy does anything tbh

[ripe current]

that sounds neat but theres no way i can reach 100%

[hexed steppe]

its easy to hit 100 on a hotshot build

weapon handling rolls, attachments

[ripe current]

i mean, if i roll weapon handling sure, but i dont have that

[versed summit]

Depends on the build, it’s still worth going for weapon handling and stability where relevant

[versed summit]

You don’t need 100%, it still helps with sway

[hexed steppe]

its only a click away. you dont near as much headshot as you think

[ripe current]

im aware but id rather keep the hsd rolls anyway

tbh the scope sway doesnt bother me, makes me miss like.. idk 5/100 shots? its kinda irrelevant, or like 1/100 if determined

[versed summit]

Well it’s still better than accuracy lol

[hexed steppe]

i think accuracy wouldnt be needed on sniper, but iirc it tightens up your aiming reticle which would be a bit more noticable on smg/lmg where the reticle is pretty big

[onyx sage]

trust me, removing a few hsd rolls doesn't hurt your damage that much

[ripe current]

i was doing some close range sniping and was trying to figure out how to minimize the reticle while strafing, but tbh its probably more efficient to just use a shotgun at that point

[onyx sage]

that too

you probably will like headhunter's fury more

headhunt with regulus and m870

[ripe current]

i have that build already

[onyx sage]

you can still snipe with it

[ripe current]

thats what i mean, no point doing "accurate" sniper up close when you can just do regulus or shotguns

[onyx sage]

yeah

best you can do if you want to stay on hotshot is have a sniper and a m870

[hexed steppe]

maxing out stability on a typical sniper setup is kinda big. was worth trading a couple hsd rolls

[ripe current]

apparently i can reach 100%, i still dont see it being useful tho lol

also the gun moves in my animation which is fkn weird

[onyx sage]

it's just nice to not have to compensate for sway, but for general use it's not necessary yeah

[ripe current]

i think its better if you actually use the sharpshooter or any real scope, cuz i use a non scope scope

[hexed steppe]

yeah, with hotshot/muzzle/underbarel youre already sitting at 60%. couple secondary wh rolls on the he gear has you already at 80% . its not even noticable losing 2 hsd rolls 😎

[ripe current]

i got every roll as hsd and still got 100% stab

[hexed steppe]

i pop in an elmo on my setup, and its a fuckin laser with all the wh 😆

[hexed steppe]

im not even accounting for watch either, so yeah probably

[ripe current]

its just gota be a fully moddable weapon, so no white death or model 700

[hexed steppe]

yeah swapping mag gives 40%

oh scope, yeah that too ig

at that point tho i would take the hsd scope and lose a couple 10% hsd rolls

[ripe current]

this is my quickscoping build without a scope lol

using a real scope for hours hurts my eyes and my soul

[hexed steppe]

open sights then i kinda agree the stability wouldnt be real noticable

[undone imp]

Question

My Build is primarely focus on Skills/Tech

Which....Brand Gear is recommended?

[solar sable]

Check out the 📌 Spreadsheet (Hub - Builds > Yellow)

[undone imp]

thanks

I'll check it out

what does LZ short for?

[versed summit]

Light Zone

[undone imp]

ah

[fading ocean]

Do specializations matter?

If so what is a good one to start with

[tulip charm]

That would depend on the build.

[fading ocean]

Dps

[west quiver]

you can start with the Gunner, you have a few useful bonuses, such as armor on kill, ammo generated every minute, third reload is faster and other

it's the best spec for solo and/or beginners imo

[fading ocean]

Thank you

[latent karma]

how much armor should i go with crit build i have 660krn

[dense seal]

What is armour?

[hollow relic]

Hey guys. Should i use those kneepads for smg dmg ouroboros or change?

[woeful siren]

any easy pve build for low shd players? mine's only 180 i think

[hot gale]

Hey whats the best exotic for medic builds? Rn im using the scorpio but i know they added the doctor home exotic but is there any other weapons/gear i should be aware of that help with medic playstyle? Besides BTSU gloves

Also any new gear exotics for shield tank builds? I know catharsis exists and i have it

[junior surge]

You'll probably be better of with contractors, foxes or grupo. Since you're running all reds, the smg damage from sokolov doesn't do that makes less big of a difference.

[hollow relic]

Oh ok i had contractors and I changed them. I will change again then. Thank you

[lone blade]

anyone got a example of a God rolled smg for hunter fury? (thats not the orobors).

[glossy scarab]

i use the cmmg banshee

[lone blade]

But what stats you running with ? Dttoc and ?

[glossy scarab]

it dropped all max rolls w dtoc and i change the talent based on what gear im using. i use preseveration mostly but since HF already has a lot of armor on kill i use fast hands instead

the other two attributes are always smg damage and critical hit chance, in case you weren't aware

[lone blade]

thank you, been runing a Mp7 but i dont really feel it. So been chasing Banshees in countdown like a Witcher on shrooms

[glossy scarab]

banshee is very good. yup

in my experience they dont drop that often for me though

[gray coyote]

@lone blade I mostly use fast hands as a talent on non exotic/named smgs. For hunter's fury, you can use the named The grudge with perfect vindicative, Banshee, vector 45 acp or sig mpx which are the best smgs imo

[lone blade]

thank you 🙂 .

[lone blade]

thank you 🙂

[lone blade]

they dont drop oftyen for me either, but it gives me the chance to Expertise most other SMGs xD. Trying to look on the bright asnd not boring side of Countdown spam

[tawdry flare]

Hey dod shotguns were missing from highest DMG video

[dense seal]

Highest DPS possible with Bugs is pretty much infinite.

[tawdry flare]

You meant features

[dense seal]

Nah. With what you can currently do with Brazen . . . that is 100000000% a bug.

[tawdry flare]

Don't tell me pummel with brazen

[real ravine]

this good for pvp?

[magic pilot]

Swap emperors for fox

[real ravine]

why fox? im usikng oroboros

[onyx sage]

too little regen for it to matter

[real ravine]

fox is for rifle lmao

[magic pilot]

Sadly mistaken

PvP Guide

You almost have the meta smg build

[real ravine]

do you know what the def of insanity is?

rifle damage goober

[tulip charm]

Bruh

[magic pilot]

🤷

[real ravine]

im using oroboros why would i put rifle damage?

[tulip charm]

I guess you dont want the dttoc

[onyx sage]

it's for the dttooc...

you don't have to use a rifle for the dttooc to be useful

[magic pilot]

Emperors guard is for 20% skill duration

That's useless

[bright raptor]

DTOOC bonus means less chance of needing that 1% regen

especially most other builds you face will drop you before that 1% matters

[real ravine]

well its impossible for me to get matador anyways

[tulip charm]

Then you get a replacement for it

[graceful vortex]

new player looking for a squad to help me out build and give me a good advice

[tulip charm]

Build sheet in pinned comments

[graceful vortex]

good advice but im intrested in playing with players and get help buiilding it i dont wanna play be a loner and dont play co op game online

i feel like everyone has a alt account here

they say the same thing

Daredevil223 — 06/26/2024 12:07 PM
There's a pinned Google doc that shows a few builds. They are some really good builds too. My pred build is in there and iv been to wave 175 in resistance with it.

said the same thing

hows is that like a loop

isnt that weird

[tulip charm]

Wait are you play division 2?

[graceful vortex]

i am playing both

[tulip charm]

Oh.

[graceful vortex]

i got the bundle from one of my ubi soft friends

i am just researching which server is needed no more

everyone here just repeating one thing

like no humans here

well i will see

[urban latch]

The voice channels in this discord were removed, so thus is basically only a place for discussion in text, hence why a lot of people will just point you to the spreadsheet, it's a really good source of info.

If your looking for others to play with, jump into a voice channel in the community discord which has voice channels. Looks like your already in that server

[tulip charm]

Yeah we’re all bots here

[graceful vortex]

no need for unprofessional it was just a philosophical and rhetorical thought

[patent fossil]

It's a 'teach a man to fish' thing, saves everyone a lot of time and effort if you can learn to get the info you need from the spreadsheet

[tulip charm]

I know. Other then the #lfg-pc which you can try to find people to play with people go to the subreddit and gcrocks.

[graceful vortex]

i understand but i am not stupid to not read that, its like everyone is just thinking who joins in here is just a stupid person

rather then helping

if i want to play solo

why in the white hello i am here

[tulip charm]

Well to start playing the game you need to understand want you like and how to build it, yeah?

[graceful vortex]

you think my brain didnt had the frequency to make sure i did that before i come here

please explain

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[urban latch]

Yeah, it's just that unfortunately since the voice channels were removed this server isn't a good place to group up with people anymore

[graceful vortex]

why we are getting personal here

[graceful vortex]

you should remove lfg and build channels

that is false information

[urban latch]

Well it's not up to me lol

[graceful vortex]

corporates don't allow that

[urban latch]

If it was we'd just have the voice channels back lol

[graceful vortex]

just taking notes, am nobody as well its just a philosophical job

thank you

this is done

[dense seal]

More like Pummel with Brazen, with Brazen, with Brazen, with Brazen, with Brazen, with Brazen, with Brazen, with Optimist, with Close and Personal, that is as far as i got before realising how utterly stupid it is. But i could effectively put every Talent a Shotgun could hold onto one weapon and put Brazen on as many times as you want while each account of it acts independently.

And before anyone asks, no, I will not be saying how to do it.

[glossy scarab]

good lord

[tulip charm]

imagine gatekeeping

Spread the love homie (Only to me)

[shy willow]

bro took the simulation to the open world

[onyx sage]

damn that's brazy

[glossy scarab]

if it works the same way that putting one extra talent on it works im pretty sure i can figure it out

[shy willow]

pummeling the gear system

[dreamy valve]

ABC

[feral anvil]

division 2 try to be functional for more than one patch challenge

[dreamy valve]

Project Unresolved

[tawdry flare]

You can at least share the damage numbers

[livid mesa]

I was making this red true patriot build and i was wondering: should i use the grenade launcher or the missile launcher?

And what weapon should i use? Lady death with an shotgun or dark winter with scorpion?

Also a Quick reminder that i won't use Glass canon but obliterate with ceska

I'll await answers and tips

[dense seal]

I was getting 56 mil on body crit.

[tawdry flare]

Per pellet?

[dense seal]

Per pellet.

[tawdry flare]

Solo tidal gonna be so ezy

[plain girder]

Scorpio and perfect opportunistic

Or instead of obliterate u use overwatch and instead of either technician or grenade launcher u go survivalist is like the ultimate dps supporter imo

[urban latch]

is that a lot?

[tawdry flare]

It is not hitting 511 million so definitely room for improvement

[urban latch]

if you have an ouro, all other SMGs are junk tbh

[graceful vortex]

still want someone to show me some action through their build so can get more hyped, any broski out there in this deserted worl just dm 😔

[tawdry flare]

They might as well remove backfires negative if they already gave us ouro for competition

And make lady death mag 40

[junior surge]

Fast hands banshee though

[tawdry flare]

Yeah that thing is very nice for non exo smg

But I mean every exo weapon category is just outshined by 1 weapon or 2

Regulus blb for bugs features pistol
Scorpio shotgun
Iron lung lmg
Oreo SMG
Elmo AR
Nemesis/mantis MMR

[livid mesa]

I haven't got ouro ever since half of 2023

[junior surge]

Exotic gear is kinda different, the masks are all pretty goody and the kneepads are all pretty bad lol

[livid mesa]

Also i don't really use my mic so i don't think anyone would like to play with me

[junior surge]

The rest is inbetween

[livid mesa]

No Mic for incursion = completely lost and useless

[devout agate]

I can help you out if u want

[livid mesa]

K lemme finish countdown and go piss

[lone blade]

Would you guys say Healer or tanks are more needed in this game ? Currently farming Grudges, But might as well keep a eye on other stuff.

[tulip charm]

Healers by a long shot

[livid mesa]

@devout agate can't do it rn

Got swimming lessons

[devout agate]

👍

[livid mesa]

@devout agate still can't because i got dentist 🗿

[devout agate]

Np

[devout agate]

Just lmk

[main finch]

Why say this and then say Noone ask how to do it ?

[onyx sage]

because it's obviously able to be misused?

[dense seal]

Because it is a game breaking bug that can completely ruin the balance of the game. There are many of these in the Division 2 Black Book, which maybe one person here has access to and none of them are even Devs (and I am not it, I just know a person in it). The player base is the greatest record of bug management in this game from 24 man squads in open world, to crashing entire servers. These bugs are recorded and managed by these players to help protect the integrity of the game, as if they every became public knowledge on how to recreate them, well, you wont have a game to play.

I mean, here is a screen shot of functional immortality. This player has died - Red Ring on the floor. They can still, run, shoot, all the other actions available while not dead, but they are dead. . . . And you are asking me how to break the game to ruin it for other players.

Good for you

[main finch]

No I'm not trying to ruin the Game for everyone , it was a question because some people that are new might find it helpful to get levels if they can have a shotgun do so much damage to help the grind , of course I think it should be fixed because that would ruin the pvp side of the game

I'm not liking saying your wrong or anything I was just wondering

[onyx sage]

sadly because the latter part of what you said is true, it's better to not say it

[dense seal]

This is not helping, this is cheating. This is flawed logic.
Bugging or exploiting a game to make things easier on yourself is not helpful in the slightest, all you are doing is harming the player base and the Dev team. The game is easy if you follow basic information that can easily be found right here in this chat carefully provided by some of the top players in the game that go out of their way to help.

What you are now suggesting is forgoing logical sound advise and rely on cheating.

[main finch]

If that's what you think then think it , not gonna argue we just have different opinions

[dense seal]

And before you think I am attacking you , I am not. My issue is with this statement " it was a question because some people that are new might find it helpful to get levels if they can have a shotgun do so much damage "
A bad player is still bad. No amount of damage will help them. The best they can do is learn, and if they are going to be reliant on this level of damage to get through the game, there is about 3 ways to get the same result with out bug/exploits.

[main finch]

I disagree that no amount of damage will help but we can move on its gonna be fixed so no sense in all this

[dense seal]

Way Number 1) which is also considered to be the most powerful build in the game. This will one shot everything in the game.

If you have Regulus, use that as your pistol

You do not need 56 mil per pellet, you only really need 25.21 mil in total as this is more than enough to one shot Legendary Elites on 4 man scaling.

[main finch]

Okay thank you

[dense seal]

YouTube has a way of massively overestimating things or massively over complicating things.
So who ever your favourite youtuber is, that you follow, they are probabaly full of crap, and that does include me. . . .

[magic pilot]

Especially dod

D&H backpack a good option too

[dense seal]

Yeah, that Dod guy is Sketchy AF

[magic pilot]

Memento/technician is great as well, makes you pretty tanky and emp sticky gets a huge radius and duration

[upper rover]

I tried using regulus but I can't hit heads, it might be me trying to use it on legendary, but yeah, maybe it's easier on heroic idk

[magic pilot]

Coming from a lifetime controller player, PC is significantly easier to use regulus

[upper rover]

Probably

Maybe if there was aim assist for head

[magic pilot]

I play with aim assist off on div 2, it pulls to the body or skills over the head

[dense seal]

I know a lot of people that play both. They see/feel no difference. I feel like people just lean onf Pc Vs Console as some Crutch as and when it feels right.

[upper rover]

Depends on person, I don't play a single fps on pc and when I tried it, it was disaster.

[magic pilot]

Yea not sure what it is, for me personally switching to MnK felt like reattaching my arm

[upper rover]

What do ppl recommend for capital building, mm teams ain't cutting it at 2nd fight cuz of that jammer

100% haz pro?

[magic pilot]

The jammer has almost no health just shoot it

[upper rover]

Hm maybe, I could try rushing in

[magic pilot]

As soon as you enter dump the jammer and move on to where ever you want to fight the room from

Recently we've been killing the jammer and them splitting 2 bottom left and 2 top right moving left and then we spawn trap them

Foam/survivalist grenades do wonders, dps players for me usually run sticky for the mini tanks

[gentle lichen]

It does that but when it pulls towards the head it's a divine feeling

[magic pilot]

True

[tulip charm]

This statement reminds me of the turret bug during the start of wony.

[dense seal]

I un ironically hear the oposit or, that there is no difference.

[jagged marlin]

Well, depends on the quality of the controller, you are comparing an aim assisted platform vs pure mechanical skill, so it's simply upto skill level on the input device, except you can be less so on controller

[dense seal]

"it's simply upto skill level on the input device" - Also known as the player.

[urban latch]

theres definitely a difference. I have solid console aim, but I still feel like I have a hand tied around my back on console vs PC

[dense seal]

Hutchler would argue the other way around

I have spoken to him about this many times.
His general stance is that, "there is no difference"

[urban latch]

I dont think it makes a difference in times, espescially at a top level, but I think its fair enough to say its easier overall to aim with M&K. The accuracy for things like heads and weakpoints is much easier

[dense seal]

@jagged marlin @earnest haven

[urban latch]

is that high?

tldr

[earnest haven]

Woah

I want to hit like that

[dense seal]

This is with an MMR. But this level of damage is also achievable with a pistol, Rifle, and Shotgun (just not in one solid number)

[jagged marlin]

That is a billion damage?

[earnest haven]

What MMR were you using for that?

That’s literally a billion

WTH….

[dense seal]

I would need to double check, but I am pretty sure that the MMR Clan was at one point one shotting the Hunters in Legendary Summit with the 1886 doing somthing near 87 Mil a shot using Head hunter and a few other tricks.

[jagged marlin]

Does this use achilles pulse or something?

[dense seal]

This number is done with damage testing in the range, we can theoretically get higher, but the game simply does not calculate that high. By Rights, this shot should have been near 3 billion, but again, game calcs. To hit 1 Biilion, we really only need a single e player with maybe a DTOOC buff.

[jagged marlin]

I see, so this is a high end hh build that works with mmr and rifles? Can I have the build?

[gentle lichen]

This can only be achieved via headhunter?

[dense seal]

You miss understand. For the vast majority of what is displayed here, it is Ravenous. The 200% Amp that is Multiplied.
For what I was Previously talking about with the 1886, the build quite simply consist of Head hunter.

[jagged marlin]

Okay, I see, I just thought this was relevant to the hh rifle build that you were talking about before

I've never been able to get 31 mil a headshot on a rifle before, I don't quite know what the standard hh rifle build for that would be

[urban latch]

keep in mind the rav is basically a party trick and it only applies on weakpoints

[jagged marlin]

Doesn't it only work on plates?

[dense seal]

It is.
Read it again.
Built is 90% irrelevant when it comes to Head Hunter. As Head hunter does, quite literally all of the work for you.
In truth, I am more confused as to how you are not getting these results with Head hunter.

[jagged marlin]

Well, I've gotten 31 mil + on a mmr with headhunter before, but not quite so on any rifle

Most I've gotten at max ramp up is 20 - 21 mil on the 1886

[dense seal]

Rifleman?

[jagged marlin]

On the 1886?

I haven't tried rifleman on it

[dense seal]

Where else would you put it?
Rifleman would take you to at least 28 Mil

27.6

[jagged marlin]

Rifleman only gets me upto 23 mil still, I am only at expertise 15 however

[dense seal]

What on earth are you running?

[jagged marlin]

2 pc zoo, 2 pc breaking point, overlords vigilance back pack and chainkiller

[gentle lichen]

Woah

[jagged marlin]

Technically this would be better with a zoo hh chest and then fox's prayer

But I like chainkiller too much

[dense seal]

Can you screen shot your stats?

[urban latch]

23 is exactly what you would expect for an 1886?

idk why your expecting so much higher from it

[dense seal]

Cause I am hitting quite a bit more

[jagged marlin]

Ooooh I can make that build, i have the pieces for it

[gentle lichen]

Run something like this. Should net more damage as well

[dense seal]

Yep, ideal set up, without chain killer.

[dense seal]

What is you max Head Hunter on this build? 25 Mil?

[urban latch]

thats pretty close to 23 lol

[jagged marlin]

I just made this build and it only does 21 mil

[gentle lichen]

Took screenshot from another user. They said it does 17.8

[dense seal]

NB is running Determined. Add in Rifle man, easy 25.3 Mil.

[urban latch]

rifleman barely effects HH

[jagged marlin]

Well my other build, without rifleman can only get upto 19.6 mil, with rifleman it goes upto 23mil

[dense seal]

We tested this personally, you know 100% this is not true

[jagged marlin]

It definitely affects hh

[urban latch]

oh I completely forgot its WD not an amp....

[jagged marlin]

I don't see a way you can get upto 30mil with a rifle without group buffs or some kind of other amp

[urban latch]

either way, I still wouldnt want it on a HH build. By the time youve killed enough to make a difference, your 1 shotting things anyways

[dense seal]

Erm . . . Welcome to head hunter. . . . . . .

[urban latch]

and if your relying on it, then its only going to screw you

so whats the point then?

[gentle lichen]

5 seconds to chain headshots sounds like a demanding build

[urban latch]

Saying you can hit 28 and not just 23? vs determined EZ mode?

[jagged marlin]

How do you reach 28? I don't think 10 expertise levels can make that much of a difference

[dense seal]

The issue with Lena was having difficulty hitting higher damage numbers.
This is how.
What Lena will do with this is up to her.
The reason fo it, I have no clue.

[jagged marlin]

Well

I don't quite know if higher numbers is possible

[urban latch]

saying to use rifleman and non-perfect HH will help get a pointless higher number, but will only hurt the build

[jagged marlin]

Unless someone has a build and proof showing higher numbers is possible

[dense seal]

There is a non descripte video of MMR Clan hitting 71 Mill a Shot on Diamond ack about 3 years ago . .. .

[jagged marlin]

Oh yea, diamondback headhunter could definitely do that

[hexed steppe]

The obvious answer to roll higher number is just switch to an mmr... you can at least get mag reload and can noscope... can also just use hotshot and itll probably keep* you from needing to reload.

[jagged marlin]

Well reach higher numbers that is

[dense seal]

RNG dependant

Raucey is trying so hard not to tell me off,

[hexed steppe]

Rifle hh sounds like a big hassle, ngl

[dense seal]

How?

[hexed steppe]

Better results from mmr headhunter is how

[jagged marlin]

Well if you slap determined on it, it's a lot better for running and gunning

[hexed steppe]

Juggling shit just to get close to mmr numbers, or rather not close if determined

[jagged marlin]

Also I don't think there is a mmr that can fire as fast as a 1886

[hexed steppe]

No but you're also gonna have to reload.

And can no scope an mmr

[dense seal]

"Well if you slap . . . . on it, it's a lot better for running and gunning" What 99% of the player base will read

[jagged marlin]

With weapon handling you can get the reload down to around 2.5 seconds

and use a shield

[hexed steppe]

Personally I'll let rifles do their thing in a crit nego setup.

Other than during golden bullet, that 1886 setup is not gonna be great. Jmho

[jagged marlin]

I run it for heroic solo

Can one shot everything

Will have issues in groups however

[vestal ibex]

Yeah I've used the 1886 a bunch of open world and it's pretty fun.

I just slapped it on my HHF tho.

[hexed steppe]

Fair enough. I'm usually in groups so that colors a bit of my opinions

[magic pilot]

Tbh standard HHF build with any high dmg mmr/rifle or shotgun will work amazing

[onyx sage]

so true

[hexed steppe]

How would virginian play on that setup over determined? Would it scale with HH at all?

[dense seal]

Okay, I need to say this out load.
Determined is bad.
Yeah I get it. Put aside your personal feelings for one sencond and think? In Any other game, "Determined" is called "Aimbot". Shoot anoywherere on a person and they die? Come one! The fact that this even stacks with other talents is comical, , ,
Now add in "seasonal content", where you must start again, but you can, indeed on shot all.
We have been able to one shot all since 2019, nothing has changed for veteran players . . . We are silent and hopful.

[onyx sage]

virginian gives more bullets and gives a self amp that does not scale with hh iirc

[hexed steppe]

Ok so only first shot like dttooc

[onyx sage]

yeah basically anything that says it "amplifies your damage" instead of "increasing enemy damage taken" usually wouldn't increase hh

[jagged marlin]

So probably stacked momento instead of vigi

[dense seal]

Nope

[dense seal]

Hell no

[hexed steppe]

Vigilance is better than memento stacked

[dense seal]

Nope

[onyx sage]

i say usually cuz there are exceptions

does boomerang increase hh bonus?

[dense seal]

When active. Hell yes

[hexed steppe]

Interesting

[onyx sage]

huh

very interesting, so you're saying boomerang multiplies both bullet damage and hh bonus by 1.4?

[urban latch]

boomerang is WD

[onyx sage]

oh okay i thought it was amp

[urban latch]

no, it would be insane if it was lol

[jagged marlin]

Rifleman would better than boomerang then ?

[hexed steppe]

Virginian 50% increase with perfect boomerang

[onyx sage]

yeah 50% vs 40% awd

[magic pilot]

Imo boomerang on a hsd build won't do much, you'll maybe be at 30% chc?

[hexed steppe]

Fuckin crits

[dense seal]

If Boomerang was amp . . . .

My argument against Breaking Point would Simple Be . . . (GIF Prohibbeted in this area). Anticlimactic, , , ,

[hexed steppe]

Overlooked that

[magic pilot]

10% of the time I get my bullet back everytime....

[livid mesa]

@devout agate i'm ready

[jagged marlin]

Between 2pc zoo, 2 pc bp, and overlords you can get 55 awpd, I can't think of a better way to build for hh

[livid mesa]

Yep took this long for it

[dense seal]

2 piece BP i s your issue

[jagged marlin]

What else instead of 2 pc bp?

There isn't any other brand or gear set that provides rifle damage

[dense seal]

Well, 1 piece Prov already gives more than 2 piece BP, so think about it

[rich lotus]

?

[jagged marlin]

15% headshot is more than 25 awpd for headhunter? But headhunter doesn't scale with headshot damage

[dense seal]

Start again

I am determined I am going to make you think. If this means you hate me by the end of it, so be it.
But start again

[jagged marlin]

I tried the 1 pc providence and 1 pc red hasburg, it doesn't reach the damage levels of 25% awpd

[dense seal]

Start again

[hexed steppe]

I mean, it sounds like the right idea. 25 rifle damage is kinda big on hh

[jagged marlin]

Well isn't the issue that if you have high headshot damage but low awpd, you'd just get capped by headhunter

[hexed steppe]

After 150% hsd it's kinda not really needed as long as first shots can get the chain started

[dense seal]

Capped HH is more of a WD thing,
Gear Outperforming rolls has not been a thing since ever, so it suddenly and miraculously happening now, I am not convinced. Convince me.,

[rich lotus]

You can just post your 1886 headhunter build, cause legit nobody has any idea what you're on about.

would save some text from dying needlessly

[hexed steppe]

The only difference I'm seeing is trading 15% hsd for a loss of 25% rifle damage... I'm guessing the suggestion is insinuating you'll have another open slot for something like habs for a total of 30% hsd as the full tradeoff. I'm not even considering the rolls because all would have hsd and the missing rolls on the gearset pieces would be handling... it might make first shots hit a bit harder but sounds like it would lower top end...

[dense seal]

Aleeady have.

[jagged marlin]

Yea this is what I experienced as well, is around 1 mil to 2 mil damage less at full hh stacks

[magic pilot]

Swap break point for contractors and DCH is what I'd do

Pocket nuke for spawns

[rich lotus]

sorry for late response i went to the gas station 😛 checked the build posted and its swapping 2 piece BP (25% Rifle Damage) for Providence + HG (30% HSD) pardon my not knowing, but unless 2BP, 2 ZW, Chainkiller, Fox's Prayer for some reason does NOT break the 150% HSD threshold for maximum HH damage, that's not possible that it does more final top end damage

I will say tho, if you don't want to "hack" with determined, that high end setup with HSD and CHD instead of WH with diamondback would absolutely blow it out of the water

[jagged marlin]

Yea the build I posted easily hits around 170% hsd.
Diamond back would be better, but diamondback is annoying in practice to use.

[rich lotus]

oh, its using rifleman. you guys werent even talking about the same thing lol 🙂

diamondback is amazing, take that back!

[jagged marlin]

It always marks an annoying target for me'

And never the person that needs to be shot infront of me

[rich lotus]

yeah it really does, id probably say that high end build with CHD with a determined 1886 for trash and diamondback for when its just a boss would be very fun to play

[jagged marlin]

Well, you can also just have a nemesis or sr1

[rich lotus]

well you can just play hotshot 😛

im currently questing for an Adrestia with DTA/DTTOOC determined for reasons

[jagged marlin]

Fair, but determined 1886 does hit the threshold of named enemy with bp, in solo play, non legendary, only issue would be armored enemies

[rich lotus]

thats good to know, in between my tidal basin runs ive been doing countdown for a HSD/WH/Vigilance ZW back to just put that 1886 build on another character for heroic speeds

[magic pilot]

I got one randomly 😨

[rich lotus]

my 4th character is all super niche builds and i cant bring myself to put ANOTHER striker setup on him

well maybe ill get one randomly too!

[magic pilot]

Tbh I probably won't use it

Not my cup of joe

[onyx sage]

1886 isn't regulus sadly

[rich lotus]

BP is just a sad sack. Everyone with a decent opinion was telling them "just allow stacks while the bonus is active" its not game breaking good, it just makes it actually competitive to the old red build, alas massive gonna massive and thats why were having conversations about headhunter cause thats the only thing that kind of makes it work

[elder dagger]

Anyone know all of the methods of getting the matador backpack ?

[vestal ibex]

DZ item, named caches, descent blueprint pool has it too.

[elder dagger]

@vestal ibex can i drop from CD or summit?

it*

[wise swallow]

no

Its DZ exclusive

[candid night]

Is the spreadsheet updated with any builds using new gear & brandset

I hear it pairs well with rifle builds

[shy willow]

New gearset is shit

The brand is okay though

It'll slot into any high end build

[hollow river]

whats up, im returning do yall have any advice? i feel like im doing no dmg

[solar sable]

Remove blues and turn to reds. All CHC/CHD. Use Striker holster instead of that HE one. Replace Striker chest with Ceska with Obliterate.

If you want survivability on Striker's, use the same setup I told you but with blues on Striker gear.

There's also a variant with Memento and Striker mask or chest if you want.

[bitter zenith]

what can i do to improve the build

[glossy scarab]

whats the chc? i rarely need a ceska piece when using ouroborus

[junior surge]

Shd 81 though, so they might not have specced into chc on the watch

[glossy scarab]

oh true true

[bitter zenith]

thats the crit chance and crit dmg

i would rather gropa then ceska but dont have good gloves for it yet

[glossy scarab]

ah i see. you can use a second sokolov and get the same 15% chd as a grupo piece

[bitter zenith]

oh true

[glossy scarab]

if you have a pair of sokolov gloves or mask or holster or knees

[bitter zenith]

would more armour be better as well

[glossy scarab]

depends realy. only way to know is to test it out.

seems like a good dmg build (assuming this is for pvp) but yea maybe more armor could help survivability

[junior surge]

Also, what are you using to proc companion? I feel like vigilance might be a good idea here

[bitter zenith]

right now the little healer ball as i am solo and dont have a pvp group i can with

[junior surge]

Ah, since I saw hive and shield, I was a bit confused

I'd maybe consider changing to vigilance, and then you can switch to firewall to use striker shield, since this is s cqb sort of setup

[glossy scarab]

you could use the mender seeker if you have it available. should be easier for you to have a skill that follows you around to keep companion up

[bitter zenith]

yea i just didt havmt on there

[stoic hatch]

hunters fury might work abit better with the smg right?

or striker

[glossy scarab]

not for pvp

striker yea

[stoic hatch]

ohhh ive never even played pvp

[junior surge]

Is this for pvp?

[bitter zenith]

yes this is for pvp

well tyrying to get it to pvp level

[junior surge]

Ah, ok. Yea, vigilance probably not that great then

[bitter zenith]

but since my watch is so low i am already at a disavantage

[glossy scarab]

still good to get experience

[bitter zenith]

yea i played on xbox for 2 years so still kinda no everything but now swapped to pc so just have to find a good group i can with as well

[stoic hatch]

im down to play whenever but im not good at pvp lmao

[glossy scarab]

this dz build did pretty well, but its heavily reliant on armor kits

3 skill tier healer hive helps tho

[bitter zenith]

hmmm i like i havee the chest peice as well god roll just need the bag pack

[stoic hatch]

i keep getting told about a named f2000 but i cant find the name would you know?

[glossy scarab]

shield splinterer

[stoic hatch]

how do i get it

[glossy scarab]

you have to get all 8 (i think 8) of the ivory keys (or off white keys, i cant remember) from the DC hunters. so it takes a bunch of questing but all that stuff has tons of guides if you just search it

then theres a weapons case in the white house that you open with the keys and get a shield splinterer. from that point onward you can buy them from cassie mendoza if she happens to have a good one that week

[stoic hatch]

aight ty

[stiff jasper]

Adrush backpack are even helpful than your "3 tier hive"

[glossy scarab]

yeah i wont disagree with that

[stoic hatch]

i like it so far just need a better rifle

and mask

[glossy scarab]

M1A CQB all day for me.

with that rifle you wont need to waste slots spec'ing into weapon handling

[versed summit]

IMO I’d prefer a MK17. Sustain kinda sucks on the CQB

It’s also incredibly inaccurate when spammed

[glossy scarab]

yea it took me a lil while to get used to the mag size and fire rate comparedd to mk17 but with one or two pieces of Zwiffjhsejkhsdkj brand set the extra rounds help out nicely

slower fire rate but bigger hits. thats the age old trade off. fire rate vs. bullet damage

[stoic hatch]

it doesnt move

but yeah the fire rate is abit off

[glossy scarab]

to me its worth it when im hitting 2 mil a bullet and like 2.6 mil with boomerang proc'd

[stoic hatch]

im hitting just over 1m

[glossy scarab]

and this is on a strikers build with only like 5 stacks

[stoic hatch]

with this

[glossy scarab]

is that an LVOA or lightweight m4 or something?

hopefully you're able to change spike if you're using the build with the skills shown above

[versed summit]

Def the LWM4 from the other pic

[stoic hatch]

light m4

yeah i havent calibrated it yet or anything

whats a good talent

wait nvm

i added dmg to target

[glossy scarab]

for rifles i love boomerang, but you have to have chc as close to 60 as possible

oh dang

you'll find other rifles. its whatever

or just use a striker drone with it so that you're actually getting something out of the talent

[stoic hatch]

yeah true