td2-build-advice

[tawdry raven]

the best tip is having a good idea what the best spot in each room is and know what mix of talents is best

[rich lotus]

what skills you running

[tawdry raven]

usually a revive hive and something that stalls enemies like riot foam

decoy is also really good

[rich lotus]

my best runs were definitely revive/foam revive/decoy i second that. honorable mention to tier 6 defender drone tho

[tawdry raven]

i never did skill cores til i was deep into the loops like 22ish

tho id imagine skill cores are alot better with the capacitor exotic talent cuz its almost 2 cores for 1

[rich lotus]

i do exclusively blue until my +damage talents are maxed, then all red and sometimes skill if im doing the drone thing

[tawdry raven]

i do red til nemesis then i do blue for a long time

[rich lotus]

armor doesnt really seem to make any difference past 36

[tawdry raven]

armors important for the intimidate + bloodsucker/adrenaline rush/leadership combo

[rich lotus]

i agree, in the first 30 levels. it definitely does (for me atleast) but i rage hard when i have 350% armor, and full leadership and full adrenaline rush and a rogue 2 taps me with that nearly 1000% armor

have you ever tried using skills exclusively?

[tawdry raven]

on rogues thats when u use cover and benefit from leadership

nope

i dont even mess with skill builds in the reg game

really boring to play

[rich lotus]

dont bother, they arent feasible past 30

its fun from 20-30 tho, firestarter and sniper turret you clear all non heavy/robots instantly

what usually ends your high loop runs? snipers? rogues?

[tawdry raven]

black tusk

all those dogs and chungas can get overwhelming in the wrong position

[rich lotus]

yeah definitely, i dunno if its your experience but in the higher loops the spawns get like staggered/delayed where someone should be coming out a door (you see it indicated on minimap) but they dont, and then ill be fighting a group that did, and then the door opens wave

*mid-wave

[magic pilot]

That's what I said

I'm agreeing with you

[devout agate]

No like I was asking if he was using ouro

I saw an smg build and I assumed it

So I wasn’t 100%

[solar sable]

@devout agate 👆

[devout agate]

👍

[lone blade]

ive been getting chainkiller galore, but not one with weapon handling or one without crit hit or chance.. This game is teasing me D:

[hexed steppe]

step up those Lootcifer sacrifices for more favorable RNG
🔥 😈 🔥

[plain girder]

How bro all u need is just 1 roll with it 2 recalibrate the other lol unless u making some weird shit that needs recalibrate out of the weapon core attribute...

Just do countdown till ur eyes bleed eventually ull get it

[glossy scarab]

damn brazen is broken. dmg glitch. dont pvp if you figure out how to do it

[solar sable]

I got this curse where every single CD run I get around 5 Contractor's

[onyx sage]

i think a few of us have figured it out already... 💀 let's see how long it takes to be fixed

[plain girder]

Prob next year knowing this devs like just think how long its taken them 2 fix the countdown crash at the box, yea still not fixed lol...

[glossy scarab]

it reminds me of when you could load up a ninjabike bag build. and then change the entire thing while still retaining the bonuses from your first version of the build

didnt even need to keep ninja bag on at the end and you'd still keep the bonuses

[magic pilot]

Stacked with the cav bug too lol

[magic pilot]

Once it starts getting used in PvP it'll get patched fast

[onyx sage]

i just hope people have common decency 💀

[glossy scarab]

that seems like a longshot for a lot of the pvp community

[onyx sage]

yeah who am i kidding

[shy willow]

Whatever wins them fights people will use

[strong cave]

Well considering the 3 of us are all on PC, I promise you all the cheaters will start abusing that exploit. I already figured shotguns were gonna end up being the new meta and well.... It's turning out I was right

[glossy scarab]

yeah. very predictable. TOP PRIORITY for a patch lol

[frail marlin]

Is there any new valuable build with the new update or are we still on striker ?

For group pve activities

[stiff knot]

Hi everyone,
What other pistols there are with +1 skill tier other than the TDI Kard?

[strong cave]

None, it's the only one. Your best bet is to farm CD and buy named item caches or try your luck with DZ targeted loot pistols

Or, you can get your ass kicked in PvP (or you'll dominate, idk if ur a PvP player) for conflict and get it out of conflict caches as well

[strong cave]

Regulus should be added along with it 🤠

PvE is fine but it's way too cheeky in PvP

[urban latch]

You still don't have the regulus right?

[upper rover]

I might get regulus next week if I do 1 more raid this week, also got grolled D50 from someone

Are there any builds for the ravenous? Or not worth using

[urban latch]

Ravenous is pretty niche. General use it's kind of underwhelming but for certain things it's straight up OP

[patent fossil]

Still the usual, striker nego or headhunter for top dps

[spark ingot]

havent played for ages is my build cooked?

[glossy scarab]

this is my survivability build

yea i know should be ceska. i was just lazy cuz i had intimidate on the ceska and didnt feel like changing it

[plain girder]

Lol no y u running vanguard ur giving like no armor bonuses to run that talent u go all blues

Put on obliterate instead

[spark ingot]

eh i just followed a yt video

[plain girder]

Some utubers dont know wtf they talking tho lol just cus they utubers dont mean shiet

Like that talent is team support 2 give bonus armor depending on ur armor u aint giving no armor if u aint got none if that makes sense

[spark ingot]

aight

what does obliterate do, i do crazy dps with this build when ive got full hunter stacks

[patent fossil]

obliterate just gives more damage (stacks on crits)

[spark ingot]

good job ive got a crit build

i need to get a new chestpiece with obliterate on, is there a way to get armor easy?

[plain girder]

Hmm u can run all reds obliterate sokolov chestpiece or groupo and for survivality can just run gunner specialisation nd and the shotgun that gives u 10% armor on kill and ontop of it put preservation so if u get low armor swap get a kill and swap back if that makes sense

U can rlly use any chest piece u want just make sure its giving you damage for whatveer ur using so fenris for ars, sokolov for smgs, groupo works for both but u lose base damage vut gain more crit

[spark ingot]

EB or scorpio for this with obliterate

[tulip charm]

Whatever you want

Imo id go with scorpio since it has cc and insane dmg

[plain girder]

Yea+ give damage bonuses 2you and your teamates

[hazy steeple]

Vector building up the stacks and Scorpio doing the damage seems like an odd choice.

[tulip charm]

It should be the other way around

[hazy steeple]

With how slow the Scorpio fires+reloads compared to something quicker, (especially the reload part) it seems like a poor choice, overtuned Exotic Talent or no.

[hexed steppe]

You'll be at a disadvantage using scorpio on a build with obliterate. Oblit is per shot, not per pellet like striker stacks...

[mossy osprey]

does Descent drop backbone backpack blueprint?

[hexed steppe]

Check the pins in #td2-descent
There is a blueprint list

[upper rover]

Huh

[mossy osprey]

it only shows descent talents

[hexed steppe]

#td2-descent message

[lone blade]

Is there a webpage somewhere, where i can see How high a stat can drop on skill mods?

[hexed steppe]

You'll have to scroll up a bit, ig I grabbed link for second msg

[hexed steppe]

Check the pinned spreadsheet in this channel. It's probably got the info you're looking for

[lone blade]

ty

[strong cave]

On my account, no, but I've used it on my buddy's account and it felt way too scummy to use it in PvP

Right hand corner peeking with a shield is just... 🗿

[urban latch]

I think your getting frustrated because your only going against it, and not seeing that it has a higher skill ceiling than any other pvp build when you actually try to run it yourself. Is it a top tier build, of course, but it actually takes skill to run.

[gentle lichen]

I find it to be really really op on console as headshot builds especially regulus are rare to find and players have a hard time countering it

Makes 1 v 2 or 3s quite easy

[urban latch]

It really doesn't...

[glossy scarab]

i would have a hard time on console trying to nail headshots on pvp players doing their human tornado thing

[gentle lichen]

Console has aim assist so if you aim at that one frame at their head the assist will follow it guaranteeing a hit

That's also why popshot is pretty op too here

[glossy scarab]

oh yea i always forget the assist. i cant use that on pc, it just draws my mouse away from where i want it to be

[gentle lichen]

Case being that whatever is headshot related in ps can be real powerful as many console players don't bother

[glossy scarab]

thats pretty handy

[worn raptor]

anyone have a good build for ravenous? LMK

[strong cave]

4 PC nego (take backpack), ceska chest piece with glass Cannon and crits or obliterate, coyote mask. Take demo, then use mortar turret and seeker mine. Fun build, hits super hard

[surreal depot]

????????

[plain girder]

Hardwire seekermine rlly good against popshootersbusually they all reds glasscannon camping u can do same shiet but throw seekermines they wanna pop shot they gunna have fun doding balls

[astral sluice]

Any recommendations on a good dps pvp and conflict build

[urban latch]

Check the pinned good doc, there's a solid pvp build guide in there

[urban latch]

You realize the rav isn't affected at all by explosive damage right....

[strong cave]

Yes I'm aware, it goes boom boom when you switch shoulders so may as well throw it on a boom boom class

[onyx sage]

he means there's just a theme rather than any inherent synergy

[gentle lichen]

Tbf there isn't any explosive weapon or sidearm

[dreamy valve]

Whu

Time to try brazen with Hunter fury

[compact atlas]

I am a bit lost I don't understand builds and all that I end up throwing stuff together.. i am currently running a full set of ageis good armor but i do shit for damage and skills. anything i should try to do or focus on doing?

[onyx sage]

check the pinned sheet on this channel. you should aim for a striker build for your first

[compact atlas]

All it shows is a dps calc

[onyx sage]

the bottom post by azurmen32

[junior stump]

how did u get those numbers? 32m

[urban latch]

Headhunter sniper build

[marsh hare]

ive had fun with: Ninjabag, 3 piece breaking point, fox prayer and 1 Zwiadowka piece

[junior stump]

can you send a screen dhot i just want to take a look

[spark ingot]

EB or st elmos for a strikers pure red build

[devout agate]

Whatever you like more

They’re both really good

[spark ingot]

im gonna clear 2 level 3 outpoists 1 outpost per gun and see which i like more

[strong cave]

model 700 can be replaced with an SR-1 or M700 Carbon, and any exotic secondary will slot right in

[spark ingot]

What’s the best rolls for st Elmo’s striker?

[wise swallow]

CHD on everything. CHC and CHD on the HE pieces. DTOOC on the gun

[spark ingot]

He peices?

[wise swallow]

high end

[vestal ibex]

There are tons of versions that you can use and no one is right or wrong. I'd check the spreadsheet pinned in this channel for a guide in the Hub(builds) tab.

[wise swallow]

gear mods depend on the SHD level and optimization but basically use as many as you need to get to 55~ CHC (shouldnt need any but if you do)

[spark ingot]

I was getting 800k a crit with st Elmo’s during my raid

[wise swallow]

rest CHD mods

[wise swallow]

you should be getting over a million with the right set up and max stacks

[spark ingot]

It’s not all god rolled yet.

[wise swallow]

or closer to a million

[spark ingot]

I can always tweak it a bit to my liking

[wise swallow]

You shouldnt be too worried about singular hits anyways

[spark ingot]

I’d love you to post one of these with the ideal st elmos striker

I use coyote mask

[vestal ibex]

Better to use the build guide.

[spark ingot]

That’s basically my build lol just not god roll. What’s the hive?

[wise swallow]

reviver

[spark ingot]

I like to use pulse

[wise swallow]

extra life. worth when theres nothing else to run

[vestal ibex]

So easier question here is what are you looking to do with this build?

[spark ingot]

Shred.

[vestal ibex]

What? Where? With who?

[spark ingot]

Everyone anytime anyone

[vestal ibex]

Well just keep on that one. It will do well everywhere but there are versions that will do much more.

[wise swallow]

this is a general 1 size fits all single target DPS set up.

this is a raid/incursion focused set up

you can use elmo with this ofc

[spark ingot]

What does the glove do different, I know the chest gives double stack

[wise swallow]

chest doubles stacks so its really only good when you have super spongey NPCs

[vestal ibex]

Or when the enemies roll in so fast you can keep stacks.

[wise swallow]

yea that too

[vestal ibex]

Like tanker in the incursion is great for that build.

[wise swallow]

I find oblit still more reliable but play around with it

[vestal ibex]

The best bit of advice would be all builds can do it but some do it better and some require more player skill from you and from room to room in a mission what's best can change.

[glacial blaze]

anyone know if momento works well with any of the green sets? or if its easier to fit in with yellows

[dull ermine]

hunters fury

Heartbreaker

[marsh hare]

Fox's prayers n u will hit even more 😎

[fervent wasp]

Best SMG talent?

[solar sable]

Depends on the build

[fervent wasp]

Dps

[solar sable]

Fast hands I'd say

[fervent wasp]

Im not very familiar with them so I know next to nothing on what talents they have

[solar sable]

I've also seen Preservation on DPS for survivability

[fervent wasp]

Preservation is nice

I see what you mean with fast hands

I'll try that

Thank you

[compact viper]

Hey guys, quick question:

Besides Ouroboros, St. Elmo and Eagle Bearer, what other weapons should I consider to bump up all the way to Expertise 26?

[tulip charm]

Depends on the guns you mostly used

[compact viper]

Been thinking about some HE ARs like the TKB as a secondary for an Ouro Striker build and the Nemesis for a Sniper build too.

[rich lotus]

Model 700/SRS if you like sniping

[compact viper]

Been thinking about this one too for that Determined one tap build. Thanks man.

[magic pilot]

Entirely false

[wise swallow]

categorically false

[marsh hare]

Oh, how come? Pls explain

[wise swallow]

your either losing 16% CHC or 25% CHD (coyote assuming ouro so close range) and 6%chc

foxes doesnt make that up

[wise swallow]

thats ignoring coyote team buff

[magic pilot]

Remind me in 4 hours when I'm home from work and I'll show you the dps calculator

[marsh hare]

im not talking about Chc/Chd. Im talking about hitting the highest numbers, testing this in the range

[magic pilot]

The highest number doesn't mean the most dps

If I wanted to hit the highest number I'd use an AK on every build

[wise swallow]

thats just the logic of it. its pretty clear foxes isnt better based off solely logic but prod will do DPS calc

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/-X7Em965yQI?si=FJRiSgS79C-b6okF

Dod explains this great

[rich lotus]

Imagine not playing the humongous PP ouro striker setup of bloody knuckles firewall spec and arguing over minutia

[wise swallow]

imagine using any exotic gloves. they all suck

[rich lotus]

leave this place! and never return!

[feral anvil]

imagine doing something i dont do

[wise swallow]

yea

[feral anvil]

cringe!

[magic pilot]

Only good on wright and lovers sadly

[rich lotus]

i kid

[wise swallow]

im the best

[magic pilot]

I use it on that, BK was my last exotic lmao

[rich lotus]

its a lot of fun in countdown too

[feral anvil]

well i dont, i am verifiably the best to ever touch this game as well as extremely delusional

[rich lotus]

just solo the whole room

[magic pilot]

I'm taking a break from countdown

Been running legendary

[rich lotus]

the weekly or just matchmaking random stuff

honestly not sure ive matchmaked for random legendary missions in years, i do the weekly 4x and figure thats enough

[magic pilot]

I did DUA 6x, 1x capitol, 1x Roosevelt, about 100 tries at tidal all with lfgs and 1 DUA solo in the last 2 days

[rich lotus]

my man

[tulip charm]

Solo tidal when

[magic pilot]

Been on the grind

[magic pilot]

Gonna stay on DUA till I'm sub 30

I think I would've been around 35-40 if I didn't have the ammo bug @tulip charm

You ever want to run hmu @rich lotus I'll foam for you

[rich lotus]

im in descent eye bleed town atm, youre going for personal best solo times? or does sub 30 mean something else

[shy willow]

Anything under 30 mins presumably

[magic pilot]

PB sub 30

[rich lotus]

gotcha! are you limiting yourself to a specific build?

[magic pilot]

This is what I used for the whole run, eventually I'll start doing HH once I'm comfortable

[onyx sage]

goated

[magic pilot]

Wasn't even fully optimized 7% dtooc on st Elmo and 10% AR dmg, coyotes mask was missing .5% chc and 2% chd

[rich lotus]

okay cool! i was gonna say HH on DUA is a turkey shoot, i think the only areas that would be a problem would be the double dogs in... (the room with the emps on invaded), but i think its just 1 dog for solo.

and then switch to striker for boss

[onyx sage]

nah it's the same regardless of group size

[rich lotus]

i hope you reach your PB! loop 30 atm think ima throw in the towel and turn on my anti-idle keyboard macro (dont tell massive)

[onyx sage]

HH in DUA is best done by my uncle

[rich lotus]

Can you one tap aggro without coordinating with at least 1 other person in a 4 man?

[magic pilot]

I woulda had sub 40 but I had an ammo bug for the boss, only hold 400 bullets. Spent about 20 min on just boss

[rich lotus]

damn sucks!

[magic pilot]

I'm pretty sure you can do it solo in 4 man

[rich lotus]

i tried it a few times solo in a 4 man, but my HH buff always wore out before i got a good achilles pulse on the head

is there a better way or its just luck of the draw with achilles pulse

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/U4dEYMjK-sw?si=lKJfB5CE_KG6JNof

Striker, dodge city, Achilles, opp, scorpio, future no OC

Definitely do-able solo as they didn't use sledge

240m shot

[onyx sage]

no, but you can 2 tap him

if you're doing HHF

[raw elm]

Hey all. I hit lvl 40 like 3 days ago. I farmed a whole set of striker and I have st Elmo’s. I see tons of guides on YouTube and a few written there are so many and it’s kinda overwhelming. Anyone have a guide they can recommend so I can focus my game time the most efficient? Thanks!

[versed summit]

It really depends what your end goal is for this game. If you’re trying to reach legendary or raids/incursions I’d recommend working on the specific builds for those, otherwise I’d just mess around and experiment with some builds. There’s some very good build templates in the pinned spreadsheet for that.

If you are interested in just playing efficiently though, doing Control Points at level 3/4 (challenging/heroic) are the best bang for your Buck.

[raw elm]

For right now just wanting to get a good set built so I’m not a carry in ever group I’m in. I will look over the spreadsheet. Thanks !

[magic pilot]

Check out eclipse fire and foam , striker, nego, hunters fury, and healer

Those are the basic builds I think everyone should have

[candid night]

Any good ravenous pve builds for non-aggressive/support playstyle

[shy willow]

Ravenous is a quite niche gun only for very specific strats

Generally you don't build around it but you could try zwia

[tulip charm]

Ravenous isn’t good for the role you want.

[candid night]

what is zwia

[junior stump]

thanks!

[candid night]

any good builds for the mentioned roles

[spark ingot]

whats the best weapon core attributes and attributes for st elmos?

what should i get on reroll

[atomic turtle]

You can't change the core attributes on weapons. They're always static. You can recalibrate or optimize them to a higher roll, but the attributes themselves can never be changed.
The best in slot attribute for the third attribute is DMG to target out of cover every time, regardless of the weapon in question (LMGs excluded).

[spark ingot]

okay!

ill reroll to DTTOOC

[atomic turtle]

You can make a case for Rate of Fire, Damage to Armor, Critical Hit Chance, or Critical Hit Damage on LMGs for the third attribute.

[spark ingot]

does out of cover include without me holding up my shield

[atomic turtle]

It increases damage done to enemies that are not in cover. It's not a buff or debuff applied to your Agent/NPCs, so it doesn't matter if you use a shield or not.
It's incorporated into the damage calculations done by the game whenever you hit something with your gun.

[spark ingot]

got it in 3 rolls

basically god rolled too

[atomic turtle]

Well done.

[atomic turtle]

Anyone know what the usual go-to talents for the higher RPM MMRs are?
Paratroopers SVD, Surplus SVD, SOCOM MK 20 SSR, etc.
Also how's Ranger on Bolt/Mag MMRs now that we have Behind You/Determined? Still useful or lacking comparatively?

[candid night]

Glass cannon + vigilance with vindicator

[spring flint]

My luck, a god roll.

[spark ingot]

get DTTOOC

[solar sable]

Cannot be named god rolled because you didn't get DTOC and plus that optimisation logo

[strong cave]

Nice! I'm currently trying to get a duplicate for my PvE character and still no luck. Eventually I'll get one lol. By the way, when you can manage to get enough exotic components, reroll that until you get damage to targets out of cover. Crit damage works fine for the time being, but if you want the most out of it, get DTTOC

[warm knot]

Btsu

[warm knot]

Depends a lot. Personally I like running killer or strained on my hf build....

Preservation for hf is kinda meaningless IMO.

[atomic turtle]

If you're looking to expertise in the future, definitely don't do this, just farm another.
Otherwise, sure, go crazy in the crafting bench.

[lone blade]

There is a guy in my party, he dont shoot or do much but throw a turret.. And that thing shreds so HARD.. What build is that?

(Inspec feature is bugged)

just fires off big things from turret and things just melt away xD.

[atomic turtle]

If it's what you're making it sound like, it's probably a mortar turret build.

[atomic turtle]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=ac1fdc3c-b114-0ba3-273e-7b080b8881dc&noteKey=d2efd169c231d8199ffbd4392596c310&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2Fac1fdc3c-b114-0ba3-273e-7b080b8881dc%2Fd2efd169c231d8199ffbd4392596c310&title=Mortar%2BExplosive%2BBuild%2B%2528Y5%2BS2%2529

He won't be doing much shooting because mortar turrets have to be manually adjusted for firing. It's a good build but takes some getting used to.

He might fire off a shot or two so he can proc In Sync, but that's about it.

[lone blade]

thank you very much

Looked really fun and efficent ^^

[shy willow]

mortar builds are so great

won't one shot everything but it'll come pretty close to most stuff

[atomic turtle]

It's good fun. You may nuke yourself throughout the learning curve though.
Might want a res hive at the ready.

And once you get really good you can even annoy teammates by obliterating everything while giving them motion sickness.

[analog mural]

how do i turn off screen shake because i get dizzy everytime i headshot someone with a regulus

[atomic turtle]

There's a setting for motion sickness, but I don't remember the specifics. I think it's in the accessibility settings?

I've never played with the effects off, so I wouldn't know if it completely gets rid of it or just dampens the screen shake.

[dreamy valve]

You can’t turn them off

[warm knot]

The only bane of the mortar build are the chungas... They simply won't die

[spark ingot]

in countdown, is it better if i want a certain brand chest peice to target the brand or chest peices.

[warm knot]

Brand

[versed summit]

Better odds on brandsets. Only do gear pieces if you’re targeting an exotic.

[warm knot]

Its a 1/6 (brand) chance compared to 1/25+ (chests) chance

[atomic turtle]

If it's a brand item, brand target. Gear set item, gear set target. Exotic item, then equivalent gear slot.

[spark ingot]

i must be mad unlucky, i havent go a single chest item from my brand

[hazy steeple]

It's practically impossible to do an entire run and not get a single Chestpiece from the right TL on Chall/Heroic Countdown.

[spark ingot]

Does difficulty effect the drop rates

[magic pilot]

Yes do challenging or heroic

[inner forge]

Is Heartbreaker or Striker the better "tanky" set for AR builds now? I'm not sure which to aim for on a new character since I've always done HF SMG builds.

[onyx sage]

you can do either heartbreaker or blue striker

[inner forge]

Mmkay. I was thinking two blue cores, three red cores, memento, and then.. I don't know, whatever AR strikes my fancy at the moment. So I'll end up 3B/4R... Not super tanky, but still durable enough.

[patent fossil]

if you have eagle bearer, that can add a lot of tankiness to a striker build while only costing you very little drop in dps

[inner forge]

Nah, I've wanted an Eagle Bearer, just never tried to get it. lol

[atomic turtle]

You can't really tank with either set though. You can take some hits, but the difference between the those two sets is negligible.
It's not like HF which can self repair (still not a true tank, just has a lot of sustian). HB can only grant bonus armor and it's a meager amount if you're not running many blue cores.
Both are DPS sets at their core. Trying to run them tanky and still get high damage out of them isn't really going to work.

[inner forge]

I'm just trying to think of ways to not get two pump chumped while grinding. lol

[atomic turtle]

Do you use a crusader or striker shield?

[onyx sage]

just work on your awareness and reflexes

[atomic turtle]

Also that ^

Half the game is your build. The other half is your skill.

HF is wild, but requires a lot of positional awareness and target prioritization, for example.

At least the way I play it with Scorpio and a Brazen Mop, I really need to pick my timing carefully.
And once I find the time to push. I push. Hard.

Can't get caught slackin.

[onyx sage]

brazen is indeed brazy

[inner forge]

I've always used a Striker Drone and Revive Hive... But I'm generally relying on the Revive Hive to save me from my own stupidity. lol

[onyx sage]

use something else than a striker drone

decoy, shield, riot foam

[atomic turtle]

Striker drone can pull some heat, but it's not enough. You need to use options that give you actual leverage.

Besides, with the DPS you'll be doing the drone will lose threat again anyway making the initial draw-fire mechanic meaningless.

[inner forge]

I mostly use it to target down Medics and Snipers when they're out of range or behind cover. lol I don't even think of it as drawing fire for me.

[onyx sage]

well you can do that with it, but the time you're issuing a command to it to target something is time you're not shooting

[atomic turtle]

Ideally, you don't want to be that far with Striker either. Pull out a shield and pump 'em full of holes with the ACS-12.

[inner forge]

Not shooting? I'm just issuing commands while gunning things down. o.O

[onyx sage]

no i mean you have to change targets

ideally you don't have to mess up your target acquisition at all

[inner forge]

I do need to get an ACS, I'm still using a Mop.

[onyx sage]

you're shooting at something, then you have to look at an enemy that's far away to target them with your drone, then you have to retarget whatever's in front of you to shoot, it's just clumsy

[atomic turtle]

ACS will build stacks crazy fast. Use it with Brazen or Fast Hands and you'll see some big results.

Your stacks are still depleting as you fire, shotguns really multiply the effect by x8 since each fires 8 pellets. It takes all of like... 5 seconds to max out striker stacks with an ACS-12.

And that's with the chest pieces that increases the max to 200 stacks.

Which most don't even use. They use an obliterate chest instead since maintaining 200 stacks is a chore in groups with all the running around.

If you're fighting solo where all the enemies are yours and they're spongy, def go for striker chest/bp. Really makes you feel like an A-10 Warthog.

[inner forge]

Outside of... uh... the power place. I don't think I've ever done party content in this game. lol

[atomic turtle]

Aside from Countdown, a lot of the group content is Raids, The Incursion, and Legendary Strongholds.
They're quite fun but Raids in particular are a mess to set up. Paradise Lost Incursion isn't too bad. Legendary is hard if you have poor game sense.

There's always dailies, bounties, weeklies, and other open world stuff to do, but generally not as populated because it's not typically in high demand.

[inner forge]

Even after all of these years, my game sense is still about as good as a two year on a sugar high. lol

[atomic turtle]

If you don't see any improvement in the way you play, wether its your aim, how you use skills, decision making, or whatever else, then consider your habits.

What do you usually do? And what effect is that having on your gameplay?

Whenever I see someone type that they're not that good or don't see much improvement, it usually boils down to bad habits that you're just simply not aware of.

That was automod btw. Your message got nuked cause of one no-no word.

Copy paste the next one so you can edit it incase it also fails.

[inner forge]

O.o No clue what the word was. lol My aim is bad because of nerve damage, so my hands twitch regardless. And so I like to play builds that are tanky, or just in your face and aggro.

[atomic turtle]

Oof. Yeah not much you can do about that. All I can recommend is playing with builds with high ease of use.

Try the EP+Vile build.

It's great fun. Gives insane DPS for a crowd control build.

And it's a highly supportive build in groups if you run it with riot foam.

[inner forge]

Isn't that the DoT build? Is that fun? I didn't really look at it.

[atomic turtle]

No one in a group turns down riot foam EP players. DPS members splooge at easy targets.

It is, but trust me, the build slaps.

You'd be surprised at how much dopamine hits your brain when you root 5+ legendary enemies in place, then watch your Striker players just topple them like chess pieces.

You do need some aim with the chem launcher, but it's a lot more forgiving since... you know... it has a radius. You're not going for headshots here.

And if an enemy dies, the effect spreads to other enemies. It's truly a match made in heaven.

Here's the build if you ever want to check it out:
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=8f1fc875-172a-9331-f92e-fe314f1772f5&noteKey=dc56508e8364ba0de3919f877c42afe8&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2F8f1fc875-172a-9331-f92e-fe314f1772f5%2Fdc56508e8364ba0de3919f877c42afe8&title=Eclipse%2BProtocol%2B%2528Y5%2BS2%2529

I use it and it's brought me countless hours of fun and laughs.

[inner forge]

Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. I would need to farm up the weapons and armor set. I already have a Vile, somehow.

Oh, it uses Capacitor. I love that dumb gun.

[magic pilot]

For the foam I run btsu 90% of the time in legendary, the 3 dps players should have emp sticky and decoy and as foam I run well... foam, as well as restorer hive for heals and to proc btsu

[wise swallow]

overrated

[magic pilot]

Vile is for the fire build, go down to the next build

[inner forge]

The Creeping Death Backpack CC Variant?

[atomic turtle]

Aye.

That one's for crowd control.

The one with Vile is for big ooga booga numbers.

Truthfully, you can use foam or fire with either version of the build, it really won't matter in the long run for group play.
But if you want to be efficient and squeeze out as much as possible from the build, you're going to have to pick one over the other.

[inner forge]

...I might go for the Fire build first and just mess with it while getting the CC Team stuff together.

[atomic turtle]

Try it out and see how you like it. I think you'll enjoy it.

[inner forge]

Although I did get a St Elmo's Fire... And that gun makes me laugh...

Is Summit still the best farm for Scorpio? I don't have one laying around and I thought I did.

[onyx sage]

countdown

[atomic turtle]

Summit is alright if you want to go your own pace but it's a lot slower. Countdown is much faster. Just set the targeted loot to shotguns and farm away.

[inner forge]

I'm just grinding Summit for EP parts right now. I didn't see it on the global map and Countdown is... not annoying but my gear/build is bad, so I feel like I'd drag people down. lol

[atomic turtle]

When you're playing with 7 other individuals few people will care tbh.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen. Some people do get kicked, but most people don't give a rats ass.

[warm knot]

You won't IF you don't deploy skills at the . Otherwise no one really cares about your build.

[tulip charm]

People are willing to carry in challenging countdown

[inner forge]

It took me like two weeks to get my Memento because my watch level is super low, and I was getting kicked the moment we got in for that exact reason.

[tulip charm]

Did you mm heroic?

[atomic turtle]

I always see people in games below the triple digits in Countdown.

[inner forge]

Yeah.

[atomic turtle]

Yeah Heroic is a no-go.

Heroic is for the tryhards.

[inner forge]

Oh, you meant MM Heroic... No, I only play on Challenging because my hands are bad and so is my build. lol

[atomic turtle]

It's not even hard, but people take it to the extremes. Challenging is what you want to farm.

It's all Heroic-quality loot anyway, so there's no need to farm it on Heroic mode.

Just keep matching. You'll get into groups that don't care. Once they see you with a cohesive build, it's less about your level and more about them not carrying dead weight.

Which again, most normal people don't care about.

[warm knot]

Then next time you rush recklessly and get killed, don't forget to give your healer a hug for refreshing your reviver hive 🥲

[lone blade]

When you farm for spesific Backpacks, should i farm for the backpack or the Brand backpack is under? Or is it about the same? (and up to RNGesus)

[magic pilot]

Imo it does matter for legendary

[onyx sage]

yeah please don't use fire in legendary

[silk nest]

Farm the brand. Backpack as targeted is only useful for exotic BPs.

[atomic turtle]

You can definitely use it in Legendary though? I've absolutely decimated enemies with EP Vile burns, no question.
And the groups I used to match with usually mopped them up quick cause they're too busy burning and running like idiots out in the open.
I can't speak for Manning or Tidal since I haven't played those on Legendary yet. But I've run the original three countless times. Never once had any issues with my EP build.

Did they change something?

[lone blade]

thank you

[spark ingot]

why cant i put obliterate on this its all the stuff i need

[atomic turtle]

Because you modified the second attribute already.

Modifying any attribute locks out the rest.

[spark ingot]

on other bits ive modified i can put a different talent on

[onyx sage]

it's because if you run CC someone will capitalize on it and use headhunter regulus

and fire makes their arms go up and block their heads so it's harder to shoot their heads

plus if enemies are on fire, they will run into cover after a few seconds and blind fire if the fire stays long enough

[magic pilot]

IMO fire doesn't last long enough in legendary

[onyx sage]

that's already besides the fact that fire just doesn't work on electronics

[magic pilot]

I'd like to see video of that being effective

Foam just does it better

[atomic turtle]

Fair enough points to both of you. I was just curious since I've never had problems with it. And no one's spoken up about it before to me.
Granted the last time I touched Legendary was before Y5 was even a concept.

[onyx sage]

yeah all the content i do nowadays is legendary, mostly tidal and zoo currently so i know a few strats

[magic pilot]

I'm sure you could do it. I haven't seen it myself done, the reason being the legendary status resistance for fire is super high

[onyx sage]

i hyperfocus on very specific details like how the enemies behave while they're on fire

[atomic turtle]

Well from personal experience, yeah you still shred, unless something has changed that I'm not aware of. Again haven't touched Legendary since Y5.

[onyx sage]

when you're on heroic and below, they will stand still then walk around while they're on fire and not get into cover at all. but on legendary and against rogues+hunters for example, they will run into cover

[atomic turtle]

At least back when I ran Legendary daily I was almost always top score on DPS or never below 2nd.

[onyx sage]

how short were your typical runs?

not asking to compare or anything but it's a metric i use to see how competent the other players are

[atomic turtle]

Jeez, let me think... umm... like... 18-30 minute runs give or take? depending on the group and mission.

[onyx sage]

let's just take DUA

[atomic turtle]

DUA was always the shortest but that missions easy as all hell.

Yeah DUA was probably closer to about 18-22 minutes if I had give a ballpark.

Maybe I just got lucky with good groups. But I will definitely admit that without a decent group EP will suffer bad.
If there's one thing I noticed with it when I ran Legendary daily back in the day, was that I could easily initiate large groups of enemies, but actually finishing them off was a chore.

[onyx sage]

I'm not going to cast doubt on it but i'll just say focusing on foam and emp will make it a lot easier. if you find that you're doing the majority of the team's damage your teammates are slacking

[atomic turtle]

The top score in DPS was mostly because of the insane damage being distributed amongst NPCs, that's 100% fact.

[onyx sage]

and as for tidal and zoo, they are leagues harder than the original 3

you will want to change up your strategy

[atomic turtle]

Actually getting the kills was a different matter since most of the time a healer would throw down their lunchbox and heal everyone.

[onyx sage]

it is due to this that damage dealt isn't a good factor of predicting a build performance

because if it has too low burst dps it doesn't matter if you have infinite sustain damage. you can't kill the healer fast enough

[atomic turtle]

Yeah, that I will concede. My total damage report was almost always the highest 9 times out of ten, but kills were always disproportionately low.

That being said, what my teammates lacked in damage they made up for in kills.

So I assumed that's where the real reflections stand.

Because if someone is getting crazy amount of kills but the board shows they did like null damage... then they're picking off what I miss.
Which is what I used to gauge my actual performance.

So like.. basically if I did a fuck ton of damage but got close to no kills, and my teammates got a fuck ton of kills but garbage damage...
That's the metric I used to figure out that they were essentially finishing the job that I started. Which I guess is what led me to misunderstand the EP burn build as being excellent for Legendary.

[onyx sage]

yeah, which leads naturally to the point being that damage dealt stops being a valuable metric when you start to get regenerating enemies

and you probably see people discussing that burst dps is the most valuable metric to evaluate a damage dealer build. that is 100% the metric to aim for

[atomic turtle]

Welp... You learn something new every day. Guess I'll have to adjust my EP build if I ever do Legendary content again, whenever that it is.

Honestly kind of surprised no one brought this to my attention or told me anything about it in-game back when TU15 was still the latest update and season reruns were still a thing.

I used to go into Legendary hard back then and would've loved this info.

[calm shore]

Is there a build that works for group and solo missions at the same time?

Or does it depend on the activity?
I don't like grinding i just one to use one build

[onyx sage]

striker with AR and obliterate chest is basically the one build you can use everywhere

[onyx sage]

yeah, normally i wouldn't recommend YouTube for this sort of info but watching speedruns for these legendaries will give you some insight into the tactics and builds people use or even ask yourself some new questions

[thin valley]

After calling for backup if anyone joins it automatically kicks them and says invite failed is something wrong with my settings is it my build that's causing this?

[lone blade]

Is this a named chest or something? Gotten endless amolunt of chests, and cant find one with skill tier and 1 off the others xD

[onyx sage]

you'd have to reroll the core to skill tier, and it's the sacrifice

named chest from providence

[surreal depot]

Sir I found a speedrun using determined tidal do I copy

[rich lotus]

is the adrestia sr1 the good sr1 or is it the covert model?

[solar sable]

The best one is the normal SR-1

[rich lotus]

@solar sable saved me some tidal basin runs, thanks 🙂

was gonna farm it til i got determined or DTA cause im bored

[solar sable]

named items cannot get their talents changed afaik

[hexed steppe]

why would adrestia even be an option 😆 , afaik it cant even be rolled

idt anything can be changed on it

[solar sable]

adrestia is a black duck

[rich lotus]

ya know what, i just realized i had an adrestia in my stash already and youre right

It is an SR-1 tho and can be optimized, but i dont think i wanna be farming one with DTA AND Determined

[solar sable]

^

[rich lotus]

its a random talent

unless they always come with breadbasket

[hexed steppe]

white death

[solar sable]

oh right

[hexed steppe]

i think adrestia is not able to be recalibrated specifically so you decon and start the project

[rich lotus]

you cant recalibrate any of the slots but you can optimize them

[hexed steppe]

yeah, but its a real pain to farm right rolls on something like that

[rich lotus]

exactly, i didnt know you couldnt recalibrate when the idea popped in my head, no way am i farming tidal basin for a good one.

[hexed steppe]

it would be some bragging rights if you did get a perfect 1, and exp 26 it

[solar sable]

Rivens is laughing at this comment

[rich lotus]

be a total memebuildlord with HG Hotshot and a perfect Adrestia

sidenote, countdown is bumming me out because they went back to the split spawns, and depending on the other sub group you dont even up with 208 credits at the end, and descent is gluttony... I will be back tuesday, I wish you all a wonderful evening and monday!

[onyx sage]

pls go copy my uncle

[inner forge]

I really need to stop running HF with Assault Rifles... I really love door rushing and stunning packs though.

I thought this was General... <.>

[versed summit]

You can run HF with an AR, there’s just not a real reason to. SMGs will just outperform it.

[inner forge]

Yeah but St Elmos is fun.

[strong cave]

I mean, you can run an assault rifle on hunters fury. Most HF builds is 4 pc hf, ceska/grupo backpack/chest. You could probably take a ceska piece and fenris piece and do just fine (reason I said take fenris is bc hunters fury has built in smg damage, so ideally just take fenris for the AR buff)

Ouroboros + Famas is a crazy duo on hunters fury, trust 😩

[inner forge]

Isn't Ouro from some group event that I'm too coward to matchmake into though? lol

[versed summit]

Don’t take Fenris lol

[versed summit]

Yeah incursion. It’s daunting but there’s plenty of people willing to carry/teach FTCs.

[inner forge]

I just watched a video on the boss fights... Yeah, that sounds like a level of stress that I don't wanna deal with despite wanting the gun. And these videos are saying it takes a hot second to run too.

[versed summit]

It typically won’t take that long, even with a group that doesn’t have it nailed down.

[hexed steppe]

could just take headhunter and a pummel m870 on HF

[onyx sage]

headhunter

[analog mural]

incursion is fun tho and it is very easy to learn, much easier than the nightmare called iron horse raid

we all had rough starts on our first time, but doing it a few times will make u get used to it

[hardy canyon]

Does anyone know of a video explaining everything there is to know about builds?

[hazy steeple]

@hollow relic You're looking for #lfg-playstation

@hardy canyon Thats a pretty wide question, you'll have more luck if you try focusing on specific aspects.

[hardy canyon]

Alright, thank you!

[lone blade]

ty

[magic pilot]

W

[solar sable]

Wrong brand, right attributes and talent.

[analog mural]

he could use that for regulus oneshot tho

[solar sable]

true

[strong cave]

Are you my parents? No? THEN IMMA TAKE IT 😈

[urban latch]

It's the right brand for HHF

[solar sable]

Yeah, I noticed half an hour ago

[mint axle]

Or use a desert eagle with determined

[analog mural]

that works too

[sharp gust]

Is it normal for someone to basically one shot hunters in countdown?

[urban latch]

It's possible but you won't see people doing it in most lfg groups

[versed summit]

AlpineBrisket uses this build to do it… it’s the weirdest thing and honestly I wouldn’t say it’s incredibly useful, but it’s certainly impressive nonetheless.

If you’re just wondering if it’s hacks it probably isn’t tbh.

[tawdry flare]

Nope requires coordination

[vestal ibex]

You can solo them, with builds similar to the one IC3SO linked. Do you 7 shots of scrop, achilles, DCH the mark.

[tawdry flare]

Too much effort and in the end you can only one shot one in 30-40s

And it requires someone not take your mark

[vestal ibex]

No one is talking about the practicality of it tho?

[versed summit]

It’s more of a sick flex tbh

[magic pilot]

@vestal ibex boost me when?

[vestal ibex]

Yeah it's like people who use that build to one shot DUA lego boss. It's not practical and much easier with setup but it can be done.

[vestal ibex]

Idk, need to read the patch notes but mule runs might change depending on what's in there.

[strong cave]

what the fk am i looking at 😂

[strong cave]

finally hit 1k 🔥

welcome to the club

[urban latch]

Skill tier 6 build with headshot damage and haz pro built specifically for Achilles shots. I agree with souless though, I don't really see it as practical enough to be worth running, but in fairness alpine knows what he's doing and is a really good player

[strong cave]

this is the first im seeing of this build, thats so damn cool. i wonder if he can solo 1 shot all of the hunters?

GODDAMN thats some high expertise...

[magic pilot]

lol

[strong cave]

jeez..

eventually ill reach that level

[vestal ibex]

Ew console

[tawdry flare]

Yeah need someone to Console him

[magic pilot]

lmao

5k on PC and im quitting

[vestal ibex]

Want me to hit you up for it sometime?

[magic pilot]

SHD lvling?

[vestal ibex]

Yeah, like hush hush leveling...

[onyx sage]

maybe one day he will hush hush level me

[vestal ibex]

Group stuff is fun yo.

[urban latch]

Chances don't look great

"Fixed the issue with the Clan Vendor selling the PvP-exclusive Yaahl Gear Brand Set."

https://trello.com/c/U0hbhJJA

[magic pilot]

always down

[magic pilot]

wow that pisses me off

"bug"

[urban latch]

An easy/fair fix would be to at least have targeted loot for yaahl and SC in the DZ... Removing this is really dumb though...

[magic pilot]

exactly

[wise swallow]

I love how your gonna pass me in SHD level and ive been playing on PC for 3 years

[cyan drift]

I don't see an issue 😢

[urban latch]

He's going to pass me and I've got like 4k hours and played since launch lol

[vestal ibex]

People should read this and thank you for sacrificing so much time to test gear, weapons, and builds, along side making the occasional guide. That's the reason for stacked hours.

[urban latch]

It's more that raids and incursions are dog shit exp farms and they are well over half my shd lol

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but I have passed you in SHD, and I speed run a ton.

Wait are you 5800ish SHD or 6800ish SHD? idr

[urban latch]

6 something.... You would think I would know more exact than that lol

[vestal ibex]

Well I just hit 6k so I might not have passed you yet. idk but I bet you've spent more hours than you'd think testing and providing testing to help all us noobs out.

[onyx sage]

me dying over and over in legendary

[plain girder]

Improvised gear 80% protrection from elites 🫡

Skill tier all of it drone nd turret

[onyx sage]

i speedrun full red

[versed summit]

Oh god

[onyx sage]

i'm like the only person who does it the most here

[plain girder]

I mean if it works it works but sometimes a slower steady approach is better than rushing and wiping

[onyx sage]

again, i'm speedrunning...

i don't care that i'm dying lol

[urban latch]

Consistency is not the goal lol

[plain girder]

But i means whats the point of speedrunning if wiping and restarting all over?

[versed summit]

For a speed run time?

Also it works out pretty consistently tbh when you’re in a group IMO

And doesn’t take 5 years

[plain girder]

Lol true it depends on group i guess

[onyx sage]

to show that a fast time can be done?

[hazy steeple]

Running into a wall is only impressive if you manage to do it without breaking your nose.

[magic pilot]

i did solo legendary with full red no shield

[onyx sage]

so pro

[hazy steeple]

you could almost say they're a....prodigy.

[onyx sage]

with good reflexz

[magic pilot]

lmao

[candid yarrow]

hey guys, if i'm looking for a specific chest piece talent, is the best way to farm targeting chest pieces, or are certain talents more likely to drop depending on the brand ?

[versed summit]

Just farming chest will be best.

[wise swallow]

DUA? striker?

[candid yarrow]

Thanks mate

[strong cave]

i better go extract this asap

[onyx sage]

bro doesn't have health damage max on shotgun

sorry didn't mean to tag you odder

[strong cave]

^ extraction complete ✅

time to go piss people off in conflict 😂

[urban latch]

What's going to piss them off

[onyx sage]

lol

[urban latch]

Ohhhh, his teammates

[strong cave]

explosive delivery 👀 throw the healer trap right where theyre all grouped up in conflict, rush in

then toss the repair trap and pick up the hive, toss the hive again, detonate traps, repeat

with 1.6m armor and 240% repair skills, yeah youre not going down that easily

[urban latch]

Go run some and report back

[strong cave]

just won the first game of conflict using this build. enemy team couldnt drop me so they resorted to 1 shot builds. little do they know that i have unbreakable 😂

i didnt die, didnt get any kills, but ill happily take 2 assists

[urban latch]

2 assists only means you damaged 2 players who later died, doesn't really mean much tbh. Tbf the after action reports won't tell much how your impacting your team with a support build, so it's inherently harder to judge. That said I think it looks like szubke kind of just carried there lol

Looks like their level 100 joined late as well potentially and really wasn't an even fight at all

[tulip charm]

damn that guy going 13-1 carried the fuck out

[onyx sage]

i've seen szubke somewhere and i can't remember where

and i don't play conflict

[spark ingot]

what secondary should i run on my all out dps strikers

[hexed steppe]

f2000, famas

[spark ingot]

aight

[wise swallow]

bro got that ouro HH build

[spark ingot]

HH build?

[zealous dew]

low level, talent doesn't rlly matter at that point yet

[hexed steppe]

didnt even notice 😅

[spark ingot]

wtf is a HH build

[hexed steppe]

your chest talent. make it obliterate and itll be better

[spark ingot]

im tryna get the fist talent

yeah im tryna get it but i cant get the right combo from countdown to put it on

and when i get it i have no useful core atributes

[wise swallow]

yea ik I just find it funny

[hexed steppe]

i mean, it makes a huge damage difference regardless of level

[wise swallow]

just keep farming for it, youll get it eventually

[zealous dew]

yh but considering only level 100, won't get the right rolls and talent easily

[hexed steppe]

its all rng

could be his next drop

[onyx sage]

getting the right chest talent matters WAY MORE than getting the right brand and stats, and it especially matters for low level

[zealous dew]

yeah soz

[buoyant river]

Thought I post my favorite Build to use ^ ^

[zealous dew]

striker...

[buoyant river]

Always

[onyx sage]

pretty good

[wise swallow]

11k SHD D:

[buoyant river]

We have 59% CHC and 115% CHD and with all buffs active the Ouro is at 127K damage base which is great ^^

[onyx sage]

are you using chc mods?

[wise swallow]

has to

[hexed steppe]

at least 3 rolls

[onyx sage]

yeah ditching the fox for ceska is better

[buoyant river]

No mods but rolls yess

I meaan no CHC mods

[onyx sage]

running ceska means you can run 2 less chc rolls

[buoyant river]

True true

[onyx sage]

fox isn't as strong as you think here

[hexed steppe]

ceska would see you at 51chc before any rolls and allow for up 36% more chd

but 57 with 1 roll still give 24% more chd

[buoyant river]

I did try it with that once If I remember

[hexed steppe]

that kinda comes with the territory when rolling memento tho. all a balancing act

[buoyant river]

Yeah haha

Unpopular opinion incoming...DTA on LMGs is not great if you already use Contractor gloves...what do you guys think?

Probably better off with FFR or CHC imo

[onyx sage]

chc being the preferred attribute on lmg isn't unpopular at least

[buoyant river]

I have put FFR on my Iron Lung

[onyx sage]

and if you run contractor's too then yeah it's even stronger of a case to not run dta, and chc still remains bis

[buoyant river]

I have put a LMG Build together with the named petrov chest piece and then the gloves and the rest striker....it's fun how fast you can reload xD

[magic pilot]

Yep

[wise swallow]

any verdict on CHC on AR's instead of DTOOC

[dull ermine]

Do skill duration mods affect jammer pulse?

[hexed steppe]

i doubt it

you would need something that increases status

maybe perpetuation

[urban latch]

This seems low even with memento and foxes if your running ouro....

[buoyant river]

That's the highest with that tho

[urban latch]

Also since no one else mentioned it, striker chest with no striker backpack is REALLY not worth it

[wise swallow]

dont you already have ouero

i may be bias but striker with no BP < HF

[magic pilot]

yea expertise 10 lol

exotic comp

[buoyant river]

I respectfully disagree here hehe

[wise swallow]

I should probably figure out how ot do expertise

like efficiently

[onyx sage]

it's still dttooc tbh, since if we take chc, we'd have to beat a 10% increase.

(some math) ||taking a typical AR build to be 150% chd, it means the crit+hsd multiplier would go from 1+0.5x1.5 to 1+0.6x1.5 excluding headshots which is a 8.5% increase, which is less than 10%. more chd would improve this though, but then once you start including headshots the returns from chc gets a lot worse||

[buoyant river]

With this I mean

[onyx sage]

memento at full red's max stack increase is around 16%, and striker backpack is a 21.2121...% increase

[magic pilot]

what about no watch?

[onyx sage]

and you make use of striker backpack a lot easier than memento

[onyx sage]

it changes things up a bit, let me napkin something out

what's the typical chd for no watch?

[buoyant river]

The survialbility will not be there tho

[magic pilot]

-20

[onyx sage]

so say 130% chd

[magic pilot]

sure

for gearset

[urban latch]

You can use memento, it's still a solid option if you want survivability, it's just not worth running the chest then

[wise swallow]

for gearset imma say def CHC

[buoyant river]

Yeah I use the backpack mostly in countdown and like raids or incursion

The srtiker one

[wise swallow]

gearset in conflict on an AR is like 3 CHC rolls?

[onyx sage]

0.6 x 1.3 is without chc on AR or with?

[wise swallow]

maybe 4 i dont remember

[buoyant river]

But I take less damage for more survialbility so I'm not too glasscannon hehe

[hexed steppe]

are you reaching full stacks in current configuration

[buoyant river]

With Ouro and ACS12 ? Yeah...I don't use Rock and roll because bugged

[hexed steppe]

oreo should be able to do it

[onyx sage]

i'm assuming 0.6 x 1.3 is with dttooc, that explains the numerator of the fraction. the denominator is me taking off 2 chc rolls for 2 chd rolls and swapping dttooc on gun to chc

[nova current]

Hello, is there a recommended setup to build first, i.e. a setup that is the most flexible or the most useful across types of content?

[onyx sage]

first case is bodyshot, second case is headshot

[solar sable]

Striker's

[hexed steppe]

striker

[buoyant river]

Yeah with that RPM 100%

[urban latch]

Not reliably or quickly if your running the chest

[nova current]

Coolio, I have a few of the builds from the Evernote / Google Sheet links, but one of my friends is getting back on and I wanted to know what to recommend for him to farm.

Many thanks.

[buoyant river]

@onyx sage I do take that tip to use the knee pads again you said...I always learn something new after 4K hours xD

[hexed steppe]

well its less damage so probably easier to maintain a full stack... i would kinda use that as the measure if chest should be striker or highend

[onyx sage]

no worries, just ask here

[strong cave]

@urban latch figured id reply to both of you, but yeah my teammates were happy i took a healing build and stuck with them. for how much armor and healing this build has, im actually impressed at the performance it did

now, i need to test it in a manhunt setting and see how it does

[buoyant river]

Okay can we agree with one thing....armor expertise upgrades don't do anything almost

I still put it up to like 12% on normal items and that's it

[hexed steppe]

i wouldnt bother with it unless youre maxed out and leaving mats on the floor

[buoyant river]

Yeah that's the thing haha

I have like 4 charcters with like 5K scavanging points so it's like yeah

I'll do the upgrades to 12% at least so I can get rid of mats

[hexed steppe]

just dont dedicate scavenging points to it, plenty of mats just running around doing shit and breaking down everything

[buoyant river]

Oh yeah and that too

xD

Too many mats haha

Best change...make it 3% armor instead of 1% maybe that helps

[hexed steppe]

too bad it only acts on base armor and not the cores... it would be more worth if based on cores

[buoyant river]

Overall armor yeah

[hexed steppe]

6 items at 20% is less than a blue core

[buoyant river]

But like I would say...0.2 Base armor per level

Total armor sorry

Nah I think that would still be too powerful nvm

[buoyant river]

Okay what would you guys prefer?....57% and 151% CHD or 60%CHC and 139% CHD....me myself would take the first one because 57% CHC is close enough to 60

[onyx sage]

do a simple multiplication of chc and chd and pick the combination that gives the higher product

this only works if crit is all you're changing

[buoyant river]

Yep changing crit

I will see what comes out

[onyx sage]

at first glance it looks like the 57/151 is better

[buoyant river]

Yeah I was the same hehe

And with Ouros RPM 57% should be fine

[spark ingot]

looking goooood

[buoyant river]

That's a good start

^^

[spark ingot]

just gotta roll everything nopw

stats for reference

need to get that chd and chc up itll come

[strong cave]

Beautiful, even got the Ouroboros

[buoyant river]

Not really CHC up but CHD yeah if your primary is Ouros

[spark ingot]

aight aight, my armor should increase it well

and my shd watch but thats a ballache to level up

[strong cave]

With his watch level, his first priority should be CHC maxed out, then focus on whatever is next

[buoyant river]

But with cheska on one CHD mod should be fine

Or one more I mean

[strong cave]

Usually with this build, assuming AR, 2 CHD and 1 CHC mod will do it. SMG, go all 3 CHD

[hexed steppe]

easy way to see whats better

[spark ingot]

do i send it and go all chd on this

[buoyant river]

Nice man goood to know

[strong cave]

What's the CHC box on your watch?

[spark ingot]

wish i could respec noob me did weapon dmg

[strong cave]

Yeah I did the same thing. Max out crit chance, then focus the rest

Headshot should be last

[buoyant river]

Almost half way

With CHC

[spark ingot]

yup

i just need a good xp farm mahn

[hexed steppe]

heroic control points, 4d if possible

shd per

[buoyant river]

Use a skill build and put like all directives on...that's what I always do

[spark ingot]

cant use all directives i get shredded

[strong cave]

4 piece hotshot, Airaldi bag with wpn dmg/wpn handling/hs damage/HS damage mod, vigilance, chain killer chest, sr 1 determined. Set directives to 5, do heroic control points. They give 830k XP a level

[buoyant river]

The chesse build haha love it

[strong cave]

1 shot is faster. Can clear CP's in as little as about 2 minutes, sometimes 5

[buoyant river]

Or no the free headshot build...I love that

[buoyant river]

Yep I use that too sometimes

[hexed steppe]

that can easily handle 5d 💯

[strong cave]

Yeah doing 5 directives with a skill build is major rip

[buoyant river]

Not true

[hexed steppe]

sink hole or sleeping giant both good for repeat clearing

[spark ingot]

is summit xp grind still a thing

[hexed steppe]

no, summit is dead

[buoyant river]

Haha

[strong cave]

Summit is worst place for XP

[spark ingot]

used to be so good

i once got 100 xop lvels in 1 day

[hexed steppe]

1st clear you get, after that its no xp unless doing something funky with an alt acct

[strong cave]

Faye Lau was better

[buoyant river]

I can't see it anymore after 2000 floor commendation so yeah for me it's dead

[strong cave]

People got banned for it 😂

[hexed steppe]

summit used to be 60shd/hr easy on f10

[strong cave]

GODDAMN.

[hexed steppe]

and nobody got banned for f10

it was available for a really long time before it became popular

[buoyant river]

Thankfully people got banned xD

At least for some

[hexed steppe]

not for f10. maybe faye definitely descent xp bug

[buoyant river]

I couldn't even play because the servers would lag because of it

[hexed steppe]

that was faye, or anderson farms

[buoyant river]

Yeah

[strong cave]

The servers lag after every update wdym 😂

Each new update breaks more things than fixes em

[buoyant river]

The Faye thing was lagging the servers like crazy

[strong cave]

Negl I would've thought the crafting bug would produce the same stuff but the team has stated the server stability isn't optimal how they want it

[buoyant river]

Idk why we are talking about exploits

[magic pilot]

Man I need to go to college....

[dreamy valve]

Manny will tell you to

[dull ermine]

Do incoming repair mods affect makeshift repairs?

[onyx sage]

no

[random patio]

guys what condition i need to go to heroic

[ornate zealot]

what's a good gearset to use for a mantis-decoy build?

preferrably one that is easy to get with more common talents/attributes

[hexed steppe]

Have a build. Want the extra challenge. Want better xp and gear... thats about it

[tulip charm]

Headhunter

[ornate zealot]

alright, cool, i'll check it out tomorrow

[tulip charm]

Yeah just run 4p hotshot, chainkiller and airaldi backpack with vigilance

[strong cave]

I got extremely bored so I took to YouTube to see what kinda crazy builds people are scraping the bottom of the barrel for...and I've come across this interesting spammy dread edict build. Uses the old aces and eights gear, ninjabike, and the new brand set Zwi. It was hitting for good crits and damage, great armor too. I decided to make my own version, can be found below:

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/MwWgTCAM4gjFDpMSpAuArBl9fGQTIegCwQky5yTGp2RrkIS2upoUXTxu9QcB2EBQgt64gowwAOYdQqwBoRdkUKBANnppYGLfA0RYo6BiGsdYLRTMT2sNMCEatSiWiGxcvIA

^^ I know aces and eights is no longer the best (hotshot is), and I know ninjabike mostly hurts builds. I was wondering if there's any way I can make this build better (without changing the gear set at all bc I wanna try out aces since I never have)?

[urban latch]

Yep, that's a YTer build...

[strong cave]

It definitely is and it's a trainwreck but yk what imma try it out. If it's straight ass, oh well, gave me something to do bc I'm out of things to do lmao

[tawdry flare]

New meta

[strong cave]

Okay surprisingly this guy said it's not at all any kinda meta, he pieced it together to see how it would do and "it's not bad" (in his words). Its not nearly as efficient as hotshot will be but it looks very interesting 🤔 I'm a big SVD lover, and if I can have fun with this build, I'm gonna build it damnit!

[tawdry flare]

Svd with the new gearset ?

[strong cave]

You know, I could go that route as well. I'll come up with a variation using Aces and another using Breaking Point

There's still gearsets I have yet to touch and I wanna at least try them all so I'm just toying around with builds at this point

[tawdry flare]

I have only one meme build set

[tawdry flare]

5.11 Dps
5.11 healer
5.11 cc almost complete
5.11 skill build almost done
5.11 headhunter need to farm

[strong cave]

5.11 with crits and oblit 🤣

[alpine lintel]

What’s a good build for open world 5 directives to clear fast at level 600 on heroic?

[urban latch]

A regulus or D50 determined headhunter build

[frosty zephyr]

Sure. There are new with SR-1 or Model 700 build with determined talent on guns. Chainkiller 4 pieces of hotshot and providence backpack. Every piece should have headshot dmg. You need to kill the weakest enemy in the head. Now you are able to kill almost everything without even trying to shoot the head.

[tulip charm]

@magic pilot How would you run a lmg build in pvp

This is what I got so far

[dull ermine]

Does skill duration affect chem healing cloud

[onyx sage]

yes

[dull ermine]

Incoming repairs or skill duration for FI control room?

I’m thinking skill duration… I just use the hive until it gets to a certain charge (15) then use chems to stay alive while it recharges

[analog mural]

since the repair/damage on skills being halved in raids is fixed now, you can just use your hive and maybe shoot your chem heals at your teammates to quickly regain armor

[vestal ibex]

You really don't need to do anything special for control room. Just pick up hive or OC it and then put a chem down and wait the full duration of the chem before putting another down. Usually you'd already have all your hive charges back just using 2 chems or so.

[dull ermine]

Eh I generally save oc For hives

[dull ermine]

That’s why I use the chem over the drone … I was just wondering if skill duration would be good cause I just have skill haste as my mods

[vestal ibex]

I guess my point is there is no reason to build around control room as you will never run out of heals on a typical FI/BTSU/Setup build with tech and 1 blue core or pretty much any variation you use. If you run out of heals you are double or triple dropping chems and you just need to drop one and wait for it to run out.

[dull ermine]

So I agree with that, cause god forbid there was a thing such as more loadout space

I’ve dabbled here and there with control room healer builds … they all work the same

Just wanted to know if duration kind of doubles the chem

[analog mural]

naw just stack either skill haste or skill repair on your FI build

[dull ermine]

Cause I toss my hive down for the group to damage feiser (experienced dps)

[analog mural]

you mean that one weird strat where everyone immediately goes to dps fieser?

it usually does not work tho in my experience, people just do it normally

[dull ermine]

So I dont encourage it, its just that tanks I play with and as the healer myself we bring feiser down to half armor

[magic pilot]

wicked bp

[dull ermine]

Assuming we’ve timed the wipe it shouldn’t be an issue it’s just some people are absolute tools running into the lava. I hate that stupid wipe after feiser

[magic pilot]

if you go high end lmg i highly recommend flatline

[urban latch]

Toss on incoming repair mods onto your otherwise standard healer, and swap chem to repair drone. The drone will be strong enough to heal you the whole time, and you don't need to micro manage chems

[dull ermine]

I hate the drone 😂

[analog mural]

the counter is specific coz ur the only one in the control room

[dull ermine]

Plus hot swapping mods will send me over the edge

I just shoot chems into the airlock for people

What’s FI with everyone missing their armor lol

[analog mural]

that is smart 🤔

[tulip charm]

So wicked if you run iron lungs and ad if high end

[magic pilot]

raucey ran wicked on both and popped jammer pulse

i like ad rush

[tulip charm]

I see

[restive sundial]

Hi, I have a question about solo DZ (non invaded) armor regen build

weapons: Oreo + Shield Splinterer, both with dttooc
skills: decoy + defender drone
Gunner specialization because I'm always out of ammo

all blue cores, 59% CHC for Oreo, 103% CHD, everything else is armor regen

backpack is Memento (works fine Solo in DZ, insane survivability while clearing the landmarks), chest is Belstone with Unbreakable (don't like Everyday Carrier in DZ)
2pc of Golan, Emperor's Guard

what should I add to the 6th slot for burst damage in PVP?
I'm using both weapons, so can't use Sokolov or Fenris

right now I'm using Picaro, possible options: Contractors Gloves, Grupo, Česká

thanks

[magic pilot]

How come your chd is so low? Are you running regen minor attributes?

[restive sundial]

yes

[magic pilot]

And are you just doing land marks?

[magic pilot]

Swap them out for crit

[restive sundial]

yep, main purpose in DZ is to farm stuff, but sometimes i need to kill rogues
it works fine right now, but I'm not sure if Picaro is a good option

[magic pilot]

Your final option will depend entirely on what you use more, if you are mainly using Ouro picaros is the way to go, if you are using the AR use ceska

Or to meet in the middle, swap out Golan and run 3 Gila

[restive sundial]

so, Picaro + higher CHD

I was using 3 Gila, but changed it to Golan + expertise, so I have the same armor / regen stats

[magic pilot]

Gila will always have more

The % regen from 3 pc will scale with the 1 pc bonus

[restive sundial]

yes, and it's better with expertise, but I don't have extotics anymore
i'll stick with Golan for now

thanks, I'll try to get new gear with CHD instead of armor regen

[rich lotus]

thoughts and ideas

[tulip charm]

No

[urban latch]

Make either a nego build or a striker build. Ninjabike is just drawing you into a trap

Chest and backpack talents are VERY valuable, and right now you've got neither

[rich lotus]

ill swap out chest and change it with another part so i have strikers chest

rn i'm pulling 6mil dps tho

i dont really think this is as bad as it seems

[tulip charm]

6mil dps in the shooting range?

Just stick to one or the other like raucey said

[vestal ibex]

Normal strikers will double or triple that.

[tulip charm]

If you need the template

[rich lotus]

that nego build is pretty cool

cant make the OB one, i dont have that gun and no one is playing that gamemode anymore

[tulip charm]

You dont have to use oreo on that one

You can pretty much use any gun you want

[frosty zephyr]

Dark winter if you have one

[vestal ibex]

I ran like 6 incursions last night...

[rich lotus]

i cant find anyone

[urban latch]

Ceska > foxes

[rich lotus]

if you did it through discord i understand but matchmaking

nonexistent

[vestal ibex]

I do mm when I'm bored and usually it's not too bad.

[urban latch]

Good thing we're all on discord (although there's no lfging on this particular server since they got rid of voice channels)

[vestal ibex]

There are other discords you can use for lfg tho.

[tulip charm]

I forgot I can just run coyotes. Ceska gives too much crit with nego and elmo

[strong cave]

Why not coyotes for nego? Am curious. I use coyotes

[tulip charm]

I just replaced it for coyotes

[hexed steppe]

Wouldn't ceska foxs be ideal. Should also use an m1a cqb and capitalize on the extra rifle damage

I have a very similar setup

[tulip charm]

elmo is sitting at 57% chc

[hexed steppe]

Crit chance rolls?

[tulip charm]

None

HE guns yeah you run ceska

[hexed steppe]

No there are crit rolls on your build...
Nego 15chc, elmo 20 chc, watch 10chc, 1 off roll on chest 6chc. You're using a roll on nego or foxes. You could be at 60chc with 9% more chd if I'm not mistaken

[magic pilot]

Nego with st Elmo is Fox/ceska

[urban latch]

Yeah, you guys are right with Elmo

[magic pilot]

Arguement to be made for group play

Coyotes

[tawdry flare]

No ceska tbh with Elmo and nego imo

[tulip charm]

That one in the screenshot is 51%. I changed it to foxes to coyotes. my b for the confusion

[tawdry flare]

15+10+20+2 rolls 6% = 57% pgc+foxes would be nice

[magic pilot]

Ceska/Fox is 63%

[hexed steppe]

You wouldn't take a chc roll on foxs.
Would be 61% chc with ceska/foxs
1% over cap

[lone blade]

what do you guys thgink is the best\most fun build to do open world with ? Need something else then my Hotshot ^^

[vestal ibex]

HHF

[magic pilot]

That's what i mean

[hexed steppe]

Since you're looking for something not hotshot/headhunter I suggest a High end Mortar build. They are really solid damage, hard to eff up, and pretty fun once you get how to use it properly.
This is what I use for it, but it can easily be 3 empress/2 wyvern/china light.
Personally the btsu glove is such a good utility, and hive is really good damage.
Mortar cooldown in this config is 10seconds or instantly with btsu oc.
Glass/perfect glass chest, perfect combined arms/perfect shock & awe/tech support on bag.

[rich lotus]

everything rolled skill damage and status effect if you like farming 🙂

[hexed steppe]

Why mech animal?

[rich lotus]

overcharge

[hexed steppe]

Does it stay if you switch off the weapon?

[rich lotus]

yeah

[hexed steppe]

Nice

[rich lotus]

i just use it to refill the hive tho

[hexed steppe]

Also why I use btsu 🍻

Plus team wide

[rich lotus]

I'm selfish 😦 niche benefit is that emp sticky duration is within 1 second of its cooldown and its really long

[lone blade]

would you go btsu gloves over waveform holster?

[rich lotus]

i think btsu is better personally, because it's apples to apples overcharge vs. max waveform charge on mortar turret

and btsu helps team like local said

Waveform is really only BiS on assault turret striker drone builds iMO

[ocean quarry]

hey does banshee work with that pulse lmg exotic

[versed summit]

Definitely

[versed summit]

It should

[ocean quarry]

it should?

[versed summit]

It works on skill activation

I just haven’t tested it

[ocean quarry]

so double stun

am i correct? Double stun?

[versed summit]

Tbf you’re already pulsing and disorienting. So it’s a tad redundant

[lone blade]

@hexed steppe @versed summit Thanks guys 🙂 . Gonna farm for it now 🙂 .

[ocean quarry]

i want to reduce brain cells as much as possibly

[hexed steppe]

Absolutely. Waveform is pretty meh

Overcharge can be a big boost

Plus, Your teamates will also love seeing their revive hives instantly off cooldown or their shields overcharged 💯

[rich lotus]

yall, i gotta farm for memento what's the best way

i got 3 acosta from random fucking drops or exotic caches but it's not fast nor efficient

how can i go about it

[magic pilot]

Shields?

[rich lotus]

wdym

[magic pilot]

^

[rich lotus]

oh sorry

[magic pilot]

Making a joke

[rich lotus]

didnt wanna interrupt your convo

[magic pilot]

Lmao it's all good

[rich lotus]

anyway need help so if anyone has ideas

summit doesnt drop any exo's for me lol

idk how to increase my chances

[magic pilot]

I have donation project on 3 characters I can try and get a drop for you later

Run countdown and buy exotic caches, I opened 15 last night

[rich lotus]

i already bought a bunch from season vendor

didnt really work i just got a bunch of rifles

[versed summit]

RNG RNGing

[rich lotus]

yeah

i got 4 bullet kings

at least one had all perfect stats with just a slightly unoptimal armor damage as the third lolol

[rich lotus]

also dw about it i dont wanna like intrude on people's farming lol

i'll try countdown again

hopefully i get a decent group that doesnt leave before the extract

[lone blade]

lol first run in countdown , all but 1 had mortars

my screen didnt styop shaking til the end

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, 90% of pve builds in matchmaking are striker/shield/revive .
I was overcharging an ep fire build last night tho 😆

I'm pretty much always on a mortar build with occasional switch to nego or hotshot if damage isnt there or coolskills are on.
For me its:
Mortar > cc eclipse > nego > hotshot

[urban latch]

Don't worry about interrupting to ask a question, that's the whole point if the channel

[urban latch]

And that's very useful....

[torn sail]

God rolled but the attribute is bad :((((( Don't think I can swap it for damage out of cover, can I

[onyx sage]

just reconfigure it

[hexed steppe]

Crafting bench and kiss your exo components goodbye

[urban latch]

You'll likely lose the max rolls, but it will be worth it

[torn sail]

ubi rng gods bless me please

[hexed steppe]

Lootcifer sacrifices needed.
🔥😈🔥

Hacked Tier 6 hive at heroic cd extraction should give favorable RNG

[magic pilot]

Bugged crafting table is back

[magic pilot]

My dumbass would set myself on fire

With the OC

[urban latch]

Oh right... 🤦‍♂️

[magic pilot]

Raucey ~ overcharge overcharge overcharge oh wait we don't have a healer

[rich lotus]

these exo caches are making me crazy

what the hell bro 😭

[plain girder]

True patriot backpack or perfect opportunistic for pve dps support?

I can go true patriot backpack and put coyote mask+overwatch or overwatch and perfect opportunistic

[sharp gust]

Can't wait to rebuild everything from scratch in TD3 again 😵‍💫

[lone blade]

They making TD3?

[sharp gust]

Yeah, teaser probably in 3 years or something

[lone blade]

is striker\hf still best for Run and gun solo in open world ?

[solar sable]

yeah, Strikers and HHF.

[plain girder]

Wym?

[tulip charm]

High to godroll crafting

Im gonna take advantage of it since I need to craft some stuff

[plain girder]

Ik that but i was crafting 2day and waz getting dogshiet rolls lmao

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[plain girder]

Do u gtta do the whole new charavter thing again?

[tulip charm]

Probably

[magic pilot]

It bugged out with the maintenance last night

Any character that was made after the last time it happened works

[hexed steppe]

Probably opportunistic/ scorpio. If you use survivalist your team gets an extra 10% amp against status affected npc

[lone blade]

Wich smg would you guys go for, for HF, until i get my hands on Ouroboros ?

[plain girder]

Lady death

Or vector are fine