td2-build-advice

[tulip charm]

its been a while since I did an ih

Im always a healer whenever I run it

[dull ermine]

I do more IH than DH, cuz after boomer DH is kinda boring

[tulip charm]

xd

[dull ermine]

Running for elevator is the highlight of the raid for me 😂

[tulip charm]

I enjoy razor the most

[dull ermine]

Razorback is fun as drone killer or as dps when people listen

I called for front damage and the guys in the back broke back twice

Well hello 5 damage phases

Speaking of

Is there a high end drone killer build

I was thinking the named empress chest + skill dmg everywhere

I’ve seen gcrock use the perfectly skilled one

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

what perfectly skilled do?

[dull ermine]

One of them has 30% chance to reset skill cooldown

The other kills reduce skill cooldowns by 15%

While in cover

[tulip charm]

can it oneshot drones?

[dull ermine]

Should be able to

[tulip charm]

try it and let me see how it goes

[wild dune]

I am looking for a build that lets me solo the legendary strongholds. I have almost every item but am not fully maxed. Can someone here give me advice?

[strong cave]

Use hard wired with glass cannon. Obviously EMP and then for the other skill use a shield. Pulse, shield, pulse again when needed

[onyx sage]

striker

or drone turret if you want to watch paint dry

[dull ermine]

I said high end I have this build

[strong cave]

Paint dry is fairly quickly, I'm thinking watch grass grow lol

[strong cave]

Oh 😭 that part I missed

Still a good build tho lol

[wild dune]

I have a dps build with striker and sankt elmos but i dont have that much armor

[strong cave]

Unfortunately you're either going to have zero armor or so much armor you do no damage. Strikers on this case would be the most efficient

With legendary, just take it slow. Stay in cover, shoot when you can

[wild dune]

Does that look like a good build?

[strong cave]

Ditch ninjabike. It's nerfing your build heavily. Strikers backpack would work better. As for the chest piece, ditch that as well. I recommend a ceska chest piece with crits as well as weapon core. Could go obliterate or unbreakable on it. Depends if you want even more DPS or more survivability

Get rid of the shield, take reviver hive. Decoy is okay

[wild dune]

I thought ninja bike would because it gives the set boni on the other two pieces xD

[onyx sage]

experience also goes a long way. watch some videos on how to clear them to get strategies and positioning tips

[strong cave]

You're giving up a boost of strikers backpack from .65 to 100%

[wild dune]

I actually have those and cleared most in duo but want to be able to do it alone xD

[onyx sage]

ninjabike makes you lose out on striker backpack which massively beats the set pieces

[strong cave]

That's HUGE

[wild dune]

Oh damn

[onyx sage]

it's a 21% increase

[strong cave]

Yes. Even more with obliterate

Extra 25%

[onyx sage]

it's always 21%

2/1.65 = 1.21212121...

[strong cave]

Oh I thought you meant without obliterate 💀

[onyx sage]

obliterate is twd, the striker bonus is amp, the striker backpack is a 21% effective amp because it increases the amp value

[strong cave]

Too many numbers I just know obliterate+ striker BP = DPS

[wild dune]

Should the chest piece be named or does the normal one do?

[strong cave]

Don't even use shield. It won't last a second on legendary

[onyx sage]

ceska obliterate chest. you want it. and named or exotic does not mean good

[strong cave]

Take a better talent

That talent is only good on full tank builds

[onyx sage]

well the shield doesn't die that quickly. it does last a decent bit if you don't let the most annoying enemies hit it

however it's best you learn to play without it

[wild dune]

The shield is in there for normal missions, for legendary I will take the rev hive

[wild dune]

On what

[onyx sage]

the chest

[wild dune]

Which one do I want

[onyx sage]

obliterate

[wild dune]

Ahh

Now that makes sense xD

[strong cave]

Yeah it gives shield invincibility for all of 5 seconds and grants a tiny bit of bonus armor. You have basically no armor and 5 seconds is nice and all but if you do no damage, that 5 seconds will be a waste

I mean it seems pretty obvious the better way to survive is to kill quicker lol

[strong cave]

Must be I'm an enemy magnet lol bc everytime I go to use a shield, it's broken immediately

@wild dune you could go defender drone for reduced damage taken

[onyx sage]

just don't play it like a tank

nah defender drone is useless because ideally you don't get hit

[wild dune]

So I just change the shild to rev hive, get the striker backpack and the ceska chest with obliterate, any other needed changes?

[onyx sage]

coyote's mask if you have it

[wild dune]

I have it

[strong cave]

Was just gonna say that

[onyx sage]

you don't even get that bonus armor

[strong cave]

LOL

[wild dune]

So then striker neepads

[strong cave]

Yeah take those

Fox's is okay but ceska gives more crit chance as a bonus and coyotes should be obvious as to why

[wild dune]

Alright then thanks for your advice and I will try my luck :)

[strong cave]

I was thinking in "oh shit" moments

I can say there's been a few times defender has saved me when farming legendary summit

[onyx sage]

emp sticky and decoy

those are your ideal skills

[strong cave]

With my build for legendary farms I go with armor strikers and memento backpack with Palisades chest

Unbreakable as well

Decoy/Defender drone skills, Scorpio shotgun the main gun and mp7 optimist for secondary

[onyx sage]

i've been playing full red since day one so

[strong cave]

4 blue 3 red basically

[strong cave]

I can do full red if I utilize EB tenacity

Or cheese with Scorpio shotgun lul

[onyx sage]

learn to third person peek

it's the best advice i can give you

[strong cave]

Ah yeah I do that as well, in the Gears of War community we called it "right hand advantage"

But in div 2 you can shoulder swap so it works better than in GoW

[onyx sage]

yeah div2 is hitscan so you can do that

[whole cosmos]

Hello, I have a question, is it possible to get a Fenris Group vest with unbreakable?

[strong cave]

Yes. Not common to get but not impossible to get

I just had one drop yesterday

Full god roll even with all crits too

[whole cosmos]

in countdown?

[strong cave]

Open world with fenris targeted loot. But yes it can drop there too

[solar sable]

anywhere with Chestpiece (fenris) as TL

[whole cosmos]

i see... thank u

[versed summit]

You can also craft a Fenris chest, which may be good option for you

[dull ermine]

Open world vanguard doesn’t give bonus armor to user unfortunately

But if you run a repair trap toss it in front of you it will heal your shield and you without need for 27 sec cooldown on chems

1 28 sec cooldown on repair trap, chem 2 27 sec cooldowns

Chem is better bc deployment whenever you want but the repair trap is pretty strong

I could be wrong on that cooldown for trap… I used it in countdown and it was between 25 and 35 seconds I think

[whole cosmos]

Maybe, i just need unbreakable

i just got it but it is bad

[strong cave]

🤢🤢

[strong cave]

Check out rigger for the repair trap, cancel the skill before it gets used up and you got infinite heals

[dull ermine]

Definitely might need that for Morozova

Rigger dps healer 👁️

[strong cave]

Rigger is a skill damage buff so using Shrapnel trap with it is proper broken 🤣

[cyan drift]

you can also break it with the backpack and rethrow it as much as you want

[tulip charm]

Thank god im not a dev

[strong cave]

This! I use the backpack and the chest piece

[tulip charm]

Would’ve banned you without a second thought

[dull ermine]

Woah woah woah that’s a little extreme don’t you think

[cyan drift]

you can do it with the fireflies too if you get the timing right

[tulip charm]

🗿

[strong cave]

Sounds very very fun

[dull ermine]

I didn’t even suggest it 😭

[cyan drift]

it's kind of humorous to blind the same guy over and over and over again

[dull ermine]

Speaking of which

I have a Golan status, skill haste skill tier tag team chest

OMG I found a use for that piece

[tulip charm]

….

[strong cave]

I love the repair trap, it's a unique skill. I would like to see another repair skill, maybe a repair sticky?

[tulip charm]

Give me your luck

[cyan drift]

I used to rag on the repair trap a lot until we got it as the only healer skill in a descent run

[dull ermine]

Oh good I thought you were going to threaten me again 🥲

[strong cave]

It comes in serious clutch. I actually ran repair trap with rigger for quite a while. It heals for so so much but only in straight lines

I'd say pretty good for healing a skill build in cover

[dull ermine]

I love the repair trap but anything that’s not meta on ps is usually seen as inferior on the communities I play with

[strong cave]

Yk what screw it imma make a repair trap build

[dull ermine]

You’ve made like 4 builds talking to me today 👁️

[strong cave]

Come to PC where everyone swears st Elmo's is top tier and they'll even kick healer builds on countdown if you don't run all DPS

Like bruh I'm literally keeping you alive 🗿 don't kick healers it's a warcrime

[dull ermine]

I bought the game on pc, I’m not used to spreading my hands out trying to reach each button lol, ctrl and shift bro why 😂

[strong cave]

I'm always coming up with ideas and builds. I've been trying to make some decent hybrids and other cool ones. I have a repair trap build but it's Rigger and rigger is for skill damage

Better off using Shrapnel trap for the damage per module it does

I mean, I can literally 1 tap a hunter with shrapnel trap that's how much damage it does

[dull ermine]

So as far as st Elmo’s goes it goes back to my same feeling about Scorpio where if you take it away from some people their builds won’t work or they are too dependent on it

That’s my only complaint with it really

People get wiped to rogue agents and stuff if they don’t have it

[strong cave]

St Elmo's imo is just like Ouroboros people's first line of defense when you trash the gun: "it don't need a talent bro"

You can keep your St Elmo's I'll happily crit for 1.5 - 1.9m headshots with my EB 🤣

[dull ermine]

By the way

I tried heartbreaker backpack but rerolled all the cores to red

[devout agate]

@wise swallow

[dull ermine]

It’s good at keeping the bonus armor up

[strong cave]

Howd that go?

[strong cave]

That's a solid build

[dull ermine]

You still hit for like 600k - 700k crits which is good in my book

[wise swallow]

good

[strong cave]

My memento does more 🤣

[dull ermine]

The alternative is roll everything to blue and run vigilance and pretty much the same effect

[devout agate]

60% CHC 156% CHD

[dull ermine]

I already told you I don’t want another hunters fury build 😂

[strong cave]

LOL

[devout agate]

Thanks

[strong cave]

The only thing I'd swap out is the backpack for Matador

Slight boost in bonus armor but still really good

Other than that you've got pretty much a strong Ouro DZ/Conflict build

[wise swallow]

metador isnt really worth it tbh

tiny boost in armour isnt worth dmg loss

[devout agate]

Im using 2 piece sokolov for the CHD

[strong cave]

Oh shit sokolov does give that bonus doesn't it?

I forgot about that my bad

[devout agate]

Yea

[strong cave]

Could you substitute for Grupo? Or does soko give more?

Backpack I mean

[devout agate]

It’s the same

[strong cave]

In that case I myself will probably put this build together while I make my crawl to the last 80 SHD levels before I hit 1000

[devout agate]

Lmao alr

Question tho should I use the names TDI kard pistol or the orbit pistol

Or does it even matter at all?

[strong cave]

For me, I'd go Kard for the skill tier. It will increase damage reduction for the drone and slightly boost damage for the hive. Use orbit if you can kill a downed agent you downed for a boost of crit

Very specific uses on both. Kard works good for a quick skill tier boost, orbit is good for finishing off an agent you downed for boosted crit

[strong cave]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/KwWgjADOYlYEyyVFy0oFzFKmDwDMqxIiJm8ALOHDHIvAes+RgXrS1+bBvAGw1o3EcQxgmkJGVHc+BAJwhqCgBzhsGgOwbBYYOtZgtTapBjqBovpUmh74dfxgKZYyhmo7DLcUvhKBNQEOuRAA

Fear me and my 300% repair skills repair trap 🤣🤣🤣

Might I add I have 25% explosive resistance lol

[tulip charm]

I trust my pocket db but kard sounds cool for pvp

[magic pilot]

I use tdi with sledge

[dull ermine]

Bro with this ninjabike

[magic pilot]

Only worth on 6 blue core builds

[strong cave]

It works really well bc there's no good backpack talent for healers 🤣🤣

[dull ermine]

If technician run orbit

If solo run orbit

Raid - no technician run KARD

Otherwise you can just use finisher Kard

[magic pilot]

I think he's asking for pvp

[dull ermine]

Safeguard

[strong cave]

DER da der why didn't I think of that 💀💀

[dull ermine]

Oh then orbit

[tulip charm]

Pretty sure thats for pvp lol

[magic pilot]

Finisher is overrated

In pvp

[strong cave]

Might as well run future initiative at that point. Full armor boosts repair skills but you're leaving alot of repair on the table without ninja

[tulip charm]

Backup boomstick> orbit

[magic pilot]

That's a good one too

[strong cave]

Actually... Am I? I gotta check

[magic pilot]

Backup boom stick and kard custom are the only non exotic i use in pvp

[dull ermine]

I mean if you want to make that oversimplification 🥲

[tulip charm]

Its funny 2 tapping a player with boomstick

[dull ermine]

Can it do so to tank builds?

[magic pilot]

Boomstick?

[tulip charm]

Backup i mean

[magic pilot]

It does over 1m easily if all pellet hit

Both are awesome

I just got a normal DB god rolled

[strong cave]

Just checked, I can get 350% at max armor. 250% without. My Combat Build is 240 and it has 2 red cores 3 blue cores and 6 tiers. Imo I think ninja wins solely for the armor and damage

Plus you get 240% all the time

1.3m armor with 30% weapon boost + futures talent at full armor granting another 15% = 45% damage at max armor, + 7% off empathic = 52% weapon damage boost

And 6 skill tiers always

Compared to this build I made where you can only get a max of 900k armor... Yeah nah 350% repair skills at max armor and then without full armor it's only 250

Ain't worth it. My Ninjabike combat medic build gives more team buffs and helps myself out too

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwZgtMAMbdwEwybZqWQFz3FCwkIQBsap6MWALBHPnItmU7BtbuR88hsG5-10ygaSRAPEUJ-DFLIzBcyvKnLBQA

^ slight error, 260% up to 360% at full. But only 900k armor rip. Just take ninja at that point for more armor/weapon damage and then use picaro's to grab more armor/weapon damage and +1 skill tier

But hey if you like sitting doing nothing and avoiding taking damage and healing feel free to use 360% repair skills 😂

[shy willow]

Wtf

[dull ermine]

standing still and not taking damage is an art form

[strong cave]

You lose out on 100% skill repair the moment you take damage lmao, at that point you may as well take ninjabike and give yourself armor and weapon damage with a free skill tier. Even more with picaro's. I can't stand sitting doing nothing it's just too boring 😂

[dull ermine]

It’s vigilance for healers

[solar sable]

Not Wikipedia...

[tulip charm]

Opportunistic is the vigilance of healers

I feel like safeguard is more for hybrid people

🫠

[dull ermine]

I meant if you take damage it stops working

[onyx sage]

i did it again

[tulip charm]

How long did it take

[onyx sage]

since last thursday. so almost a week

[tulip charm]

🫠

[onyx sage]

i do not recommend this

[tulip charm]

Solo tidal when

[onyx sage]

zoo is much much much harder than tidal to solo

i already did lol

[tulip charm]

Oh

[onyx sage]

also no shield just like this one

[tulip charm]

Now what are your goals after zoo

[onyx sage]

probably beat navy rain

he has console WR

what's funny is this is supposed to be a challenge run using no shield, but turns out it's a competitive speedrun already

[tulip charm]

So more zoo grinding is all I am hearing

[onyx sage]

after cover bug is fixed

before then, i am on break

[tulip charm]

Ah the dreaded cover bug

[shy willow]

What's a typical sniper setup in PvP

Do people still go hotshot or high end

[edgy halo]

Hey guys, im a returning player just need some tips or pointing in the right direction. Im looking for a tank build that does some damage, I’ve got coyotes mask and a decent amount of exotics. Just not sure what goes with what if you get me lol many thanks.

[shy willow]

Strikers with some blues is solid

[devout iris]

So what build goes good with bighorn here? Cause I was gonna try chameleon with my striker build

[solar sable]

You want advice? Don't use Chameleon with strikers.

Bighorn can easily fit in a HH build, let me search for one and I'll post it

[devout iris]

Ok

[solar sable]

Here it is (I have this one in my notepad just in case I get better aim lol)

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwZgtOAMYExgjAdjNJl2rq6OV6SgFzABseqCy8848ArOQtFgo5MQJxjBgNwHUGaDE24cYQ3FPKEY4Hn0bD0o4OIbTNhet16wliDNjES2Z9iAYL9BVIZHxoa04-MyJcHiDLxgVNQjAABwIdMY6MPCwwITeuiTW0HGIXK4RUTAxmbR8UZr4GgiEiNr8OfjGzDHAUYg8QeAprCF8wEA

[devout iris]

Wait, is that for pvp here or? Cause I saw the pulse resistance here

[solar sable]

I think so, I see a lot of blues

[devout iris]

Yeah, cause I got a curious why on most pieces had pulse resistance on them

[gentle lichen]

Oh god lol

[solar sable]

idek if it's good

I just have it

[gentle lichen]

Pulse resist through mods is such a fucking chore

Just use yaahl

I don't think anyone has the patience to farm 5 godrolled pulse resist mods

[solar sable]

I'm getting tired of looking for red Foxes

[devout iris]

Also I checked the vendor at haven and he does sell a gila holster but it has health and weapon handling as it's attributes

[strong cave]

Chameleon is great in my opinion, but it really only has a use if you're using it in Legendary/Summit/Countdown. Hard to maintain the stacks in open world. I say go bighorn

[shy willow]

Still all headshot?

[gentle lichen]

Yep

Use model 700 instead this pic was taken before resolve

[shy willow]

Bet

[wispy crag]

noob question : Where do you get the blue gear ? i'm returning to the game but cannot seems to find this piece of information

[wanton hornet]

That's set items viewed with colourblind option on for other reasons.

[magic pilot]

It's green gearsets

[shy willow]

How much min maxing do I need to do for this sniper build to one shot the tankiest of tanky players

Killed some rogue and he came back with some other build and tanked a headshot

[dull ermine]

Is ad rush strong enough for you guys?

I feel like I last longer with memento … trying intimidate again and I’m not liking ad rush pairing with it it seems

[glossy scarab]

sometimes I use it to pair with intimidate (usually only in the dz) but i prefer bloodsucker in pve since it stacks up a bunch and is harder to lose it all and also lose your intimidate buff

[magic pilot]

probably a good amount

[shy willow]

Nothing crazy like max expertise though right

[magic pilot]

No not like that

[dull ermine]

So I switched to obliterate and same issue … ad rush just doesn’t seem to last and I have full armor cores

The only difference is that obliterate is easier to upkeep than intimidate

But I don’t remember ad rush being this weak

[shy willow]

Cuz it's pretty strong

Gets stronger the more blues you have

[hazy steeple]

Wasn't the adrush/intimidate combo nerfed into the ground yonks ago, or did I miss a buff?

[shy willow]

Matador is a very nice piece

[shy willow]

Now that intim stacks faster it's viable tbh

[hazy steeple]

Does it still insta-vanish?

because if so, ded.

[dull ermine]

So I have 1.9M armor… memento allows you to face tank damage and run up to enemies, ad rush doesn’t seem to let you do that

So one thing with intimidate that confuses me is that it supposedly got a buff where it gains 3 stacks per second

Game talent still says 1 stack per second

Unless I’m entirely off the rails and this was some other talent

[magic pilot]

intimidate got buffed

[hazy steeple]

Just so you know Arrow, total armour doesn't mean a whole lot unless you're using something to block it. Your default armour at Lvl 40 w/max SHD Watch and all Reds is already at 740k and you kow how weak a full red is.

[magic pilot]

i just got delta-03 with these buffs

[hazy steeple]

Thanks for the detailed description lol.

[magic pilot]

it just stacks faster and has a higher cap

its around 38% TWD ?

[dull ermine]

What’s the talent for intimidate read for u guys

Gain 3 stacks per second up to a max of 9 and each stack increases total weapon damage by 4% to enemies within 10m.

This is what’s stated on project resolve but in the talent library in game it still says 1 stack / sec

[magic pilot]

1 stack every second max of 9, 4% per stack

[hazy steeple]

So does it still insta-vanish?

[dull ermine]

Yes

[magic pilot]

i think description isnt updated, check trello its probably on there

[hazy steeple]

If it still goes straight away then I honestly don't see how it's all that useful compared to even something like Memento.

you're already moving around anyway, and the long buff is really good.

[magic pilot]

you use both?

[dull ermine]

What do u mean block it

[hazy steeple]

Use a shield.

[magic pilot]

memento/intimidate

[dull ermine]

If you’re referring to a shield, I am trying to run and gun face tank without the shield (I have it but I only pop it out for extra protection)

[hazy steeple]

Div2 is not the kind of game where you can just sprint into enemy fire and expect to live.

[magic pilot]

use defender

[dull ermine]

Galvanize lasts a whole lot longer than ad rush is what I’m trying to get at

[onyx sage]

42% amp

[hazy steeple]

At that point, wouldn't Oblit/Memento do more?

[dull ermine]

Does ad rush stack per enemy or can h get 2 stacks off 1 enemy

[onyx sage]

per enemy

up to 3

[magic pilot]

intimidate is by far the best non HH talent

[onyx sage]

binoculars cries in a corner

[hazy steeple]

Surely that depends on the context.

[magic pilot]

i thought it was an amp since its self X

[onyx sage]

it is amp yeah

not even twd, just amp

[tawdry flare]

Range sucks

[magic pilot]

true, but everyone uses ouro anyway lol

[shy willow]

sure so I could see it being excellent on HF

hf w memento intim and ouro would smack

[onyx sage]

and chameleon

[surreal depot]

Respect binoculars

[magic pilot]

i saw him typing lol

[shy willow]

wh-

[onyx sage]

binoculars died so tiger could rise

[hazy steeple]

to be fair, ouro is kinda just great on everything.

[surreal depot]

Legends never die

[shy willow]

rip binoculars

[dull ermine]

Is the new talent for shotguns going to be meta

[magic pilot]

what is it?

[onyx sage]

probably, need to test

[shy willow]

even with a banshee or mpx or something it'd still smack

[onyx sage]

brazen

[shy willow]

42 percent amp is wild

[dull ermine]

The one where hitting pellets adds amp damage per pellet hit on next shot

[magic pilot]

Good for chunga HH

[dull ermine]

But is that like an every other shot thing?

[surreal depot]

Binoculars saw the real threat which is chameleon. Intimidate is simply just another fodder

[magic pilot]

Solo zoo chameleon

[onyx sage]

eh, it doesn't activate on the first shot which is what most people whip m870 out for

[tawdry flare]

Chameleon is bis with intimidate

[dull ermine]

So it’s inactive 1st, 3rd, 5th?

[magic pilot]

first shot breaks helmet with HH second with buff makes it easier to get kill

[surreal depot]

Headhunter..

[onyx sage]

why not swap back to regulus..

[tawdry flare]

Story mode hh chameleon only run when

[shy willow]

chat is this real

[magic pilot]

true

[tawdry flare]

I might do hh normal chameleon run

[onyx sage]

as it turns out, any talent is bis with itself

[tawdry flare]

5.11

[magic pilot]

Honestly he's not wrong the range sucks

[surreal depot]

Cuelebre actually BiS for 3 chungas solo imo

[onyx sage]

i need to expertise my cuelebre

[shy willow]

but muh banshee

[magic pilot]

meta?

[tawdry flare]

5.11 is the only meta

[surreal depot]

Pummel is just not consistent with 3 chungas

[shy willow]

jazz hands really helps with that pesky pellet reload

[surreal depot]

Close & personal has very weird interactions

[onyx sage]

i do shoot midrange sometimes, so close & personal may not be the best yeah

[hazy steeple]

Sometimes I want to just takes messages from this server and see how long it takes someone from outside to understand the context.

[tawdry flare]

511 seconds

[glossy scarab]

ah close enough. ill take it

[magic pilot]

there is a shd 242 HH in my countdown rn and hes godly

[onyx sage]

wtf that's devcat alt

[surreal depot]

Let's just say whoever doesn't understand the context does not play legendaries enough

[onyx sage]

nice

[surreal depot]

??

[onyx sage]

i didn't know you play HH in countdown

[hazy steeple]

is that a vtuber or something?

[tawdry flare]

With chameleon?

[onyx sage]

devcat is @surreal depot

[surreal depot]

I only play HH with chameleon

[hazy steeple]

huh, til

im going to forget in about 20 minutes.

[magic pilot]

ProdigyReflexz

[onyx sage]

if you forget, it's probably not that important

[shy willow]

I think devcat enjoys chameleon

[hazy steeple]

I literally forgot my own birthday this year, so that's debatable

[onyx sage]

rip

[surreal depot]

My name is fordniky

[magic pilot]

oh there is also a guy cheating lol

never seen scorpio shoot that fast

[onyx sage]

nah bro is playing umbra scorpio trust

[shy willow]

he's just got a better mouse bro

[magic pilot]

you wanna see the build? lmao

its great

[shy willow]

ninjabike incoming

[surreal depot]

I don't know exactly but back in DUA speeds we tested the dmg was just alot more lackluster compared to pummel and flatline

Not sure why exactly

[onyx sage]

i'm assuming this is before expertise came out?

[magic pilot]

as soon as any enemies spawn they have all scorpio debuffs lol

[surreal depot]

Uhhh

I think after

[onyx sage]

but c&p has range limit so it's probably the reason, c&p is 13% effective amp on 0 expertise

[shy willow]

bro didnt even learn to play the game before breaking it's rules smh

[magic pilot]

hes boosting the account

[onyx sage]

wait no, proccing it has range limit, the buff itself doesn't

[surreal depot]

You mean you need to be close for the buff

[onyx sage]

nah nah i forgor

[surreal depot]

Yea that's what I thought

Not sure tho

Needs more testing

[shy willow]

ew

[onyx sage]

flatline is 15%, pummel is a bit more than that

very strange

[magic pilot]

random gear and skills to lvl expertise

[surreal depot]

We just ended up with flatline because it was alot more consistent

Just pulse and ez damage

[onyx sage]

yeah

for m870?

[surreal depot]

Ye

[onyx sage]

hmm, for HH pummel should win

[surreal depot]

But the difference between 30% and 40% seemed quite large

For Close and personal and pummel

[onyx sage]

flatline is self-amp, so doesn't buff hh bonus

pummel is effectively ~14% but is awd so it buffs everything

[surreal depot]

Pummel is always guarantee kill while COP leaves quite a bit

[onyx sage]

i'm not gonna run c&p solo though

[surreal depot]

Well our main issue was more of killing after broken helmet with 0 stacks

Still pummel was alot more consistent than C&P

[onyx sage]

if 0 expertise then c&p is ~13% while pummel is ~17%

[surreal depot]

Did someone test that talent b4, is it actually 30 WD or sth else

[onyx sage]

i can just test right now

[surreal depot]

We all had 20+ exp

[onyx sage]

4% is big

[surreal depot]

Even then flatline is flat 15

15 and 13 shouldn't be that large

Flatline guaranteed kill

[surreal depot]

Also, no HH

Just no stack dmg

[onyx sage]

yeah that is no hh

with or without hh both are 13% and 17%

[surreal depot]

I just wanna know if c&p is really 30 WD

And if there is proccing inconsistencies

Cuz damage seemed close to no buff sometimes

13 and 15 diff was huge

And also expertise

[tawdry flare]

The reload is nice

Something flatline cannot provide you trade with the striker shield

For technician

Or someone needs to run pulse

On repeat

[surreal depot]

In a group of 4 it's not hard to get a pulse

[tawdry flare]

Agree

If you are speed running

[magic pilot]

solo dua worthy?

[surreal depot]

You can always run chameleon for built in pulse

Pulses the whole arena

[tawdry flare]

Run 5.11 pulse entire NYC from Washington

[shy willow]

its best feature is its ability to disguise itself as an exotic component

truly innovative

[surreal depot]

I mean

It comes with it's built in exotic component generator

[tawdry flare]

Costs a chameleon

[tawdry flare]

How many chameleon do you have in your stash now ?

[surreal depot]

300

[tawdry flare]

Show me proof cc @onyx sage

[shy willow]

now uncloak them all and claim your components

[surreal depot]

I will show when @magic pilot deconstructs 30 chameleons in 1 take

[tawdry flare]

I was the chameleon supplier for that

[surreal depot]

U don't have a supply

[tawdry flare]

U have chameleon with all 3rd attributes including swap speed ?

[onyx sage]

it's pretty much 30% awd

[surreal depot]

I have chameleon with 3rd attribute PROTECTION FROM MUSIC

[surreal depot]

What about pummel

[onyx sage]

pummel i confirmed to be awd a while ago

[surreal depot]

Hmm

Idk

[tawdry flare]

I need a chameleon with swap speed in your collection to believe you

[surreal depot]

@onyx sage how do I not get my comment deleted

[onyx sage]

say "good music"

[tawdry flare]

Swap Speed > Music

[surreal depot]

Things are gonna get to a point where bro's gonna put his comments on manual approval

[onyx sage]

nah I'd just turn off comments

[shy willow]

did it drop

[onyx sage]

not yet

[tawdry flare]

I will not approve it

[onyx sage]

you'll see it soon

[surreal depot]

Algorithm

[onyx sage]

roterblitz also turned off comments 💀

[surreal depot]

Roterblitz turned off comments because of potential hackusations. You are saving lives with your music

[shy willow]

saved ru's life and devcat's

mine too

[surreal depot]

And your hackusations are affirmative hackusations

[shy willow]

dien aim nerf incoming in next patch notes

[surreal depot]

Each video release 10000 hospital beds are freed

[shy willow]

💀💀

[wise swallow]

probably, did it last night

not solo but duo and i forgor how easy dua is

[onyx sage]

pretty alright

[hoary gate]

Kinda new player getting back into the game after ~6 months. I mainly play solo. Is there anything I can add, change or whatever to make this better?

I also kinda heard about gun changes and specifically about SMGs. Did they get nerfed or did they buff other SMGs? Should I swap the Vector for another one?

[onyx sage]

what are the blue mods

[fresh grove]

Might be pfe could be wrong

[onyx sage]

just want to make sure

[hoary gate]

Protection from elites

If it changes anything, I play on Heroic

[onyx sage]

eh... you don't need pfe in heroic tbh

but it looks pretty solid. i would use an AR instead of smg, because scorpio is already solid at close range

[hoary gate]

For the past bit I used some other shotgun, I forgot the name, it was some full auto AA-12 and just now I swapped to Scorpio

Idk what ARs are good, I have only really used SMGs since the beginning of this game

[onyx sage]

scorpio is one of the best dps shotguns

ARs are more versatile across all ranges, while smgs are pretty much locked to close and mid range

[hoary gate]

I see

[onyx sage]

or you can use elmo + acs-12

[hoary gate]

I don't have Elmo, I only have a handful of exotic gear

I think the shotgun from before I was talking about was the ACS

I am tabbed out so I can't look

[onyx sage]

it's pretty easy to farm, but there are top tier high end ARs too

yes AA-12 = ACS-12

[patent elm]

Seeing strikers without the backpack just hurts

That build would look much better with hf imo

[hoary gate]

What's that?

[onyx sage]

hunter's fury

[patent elm]

Hunters fury

[onyx sage]

but blue striker works just fine too

heroic is tanky enough for it to be a worthwhile setup

at least it's not using chest

[patent elm]

It's more the lack of backpack that bothers me

[hoary gate]

What is the difficulty above Heroic? And how much more difficult is it?

[onyx sage]

eh if it's a blue striker variant the striker bp becomes less of a necessity

[onyx sage]

legendary, very difficult

[patent elm]

But i guess with that many blue cores (or rather little red cores) the memento dmg gets better

[hoary gate]

Oh thats like the mode where you do a mission each week for good loot right?

[onyx sage]

yeah, running more blues means you can run memento or a talent that synergizes with armor more like ad rush, bloodsucker, etc. then it becomes a good dps hybrid for group play or just solo play

[onyx sage]

it's a difficulty

exclusive to summit and the strongholds. it has a weekly stronghold you can clear for exotic cache

[hoary gate]

I worded that weird, but there's a weekly quest thing to do a legendary mission yeah?

[onyx sage]

yeah

[hoary gate]

I want to try it sometime but I would get cooked

[onyx sage]

i can carry

just not for a few hours since i'm still at work. and that build probably isn't the best for it

[hoary gate]

Yeah this is what I use for open world stuff where I am just running around doing points

[onyx sage]

stick to this guide for the full red variant, strong for legendary

[hoary gate]

I will certainly try, I don't have too much gear

[onyx sage]

time to farm countdown

[hoary gate]

Also what are the Incursion and Descent modes?

I heard about them awhile ago

[onyx sage]

incursion is basically a dps check for 4 man with some mechanics

descent is a weirdly hard roguelite mode, not for everyone

[hoary gate]

I see

Is Determined still good/worth using? Last time I used was pre-nerf

[strong cave]

Incursion is essentially a 4 man raid, pretty short with the right team and builds. YES! Determined is still top tier with d50 or Marksman Rifles. White death is no longer best, Model 700 or SR-1 is now best

[hoary gate]

Is it good on normal rifles and not snipers? I used to use the 1886 and it cooked

[strong cave]

We pair determined weapons with chain killer/gift backpack and 4 piece hotshot

[strong cave]

Still solid, my buddy uses it still

[hoary gate]

I see, I might try it again if I remember how anything in this game works lol

[strong cave]

If you have nemesis, you can hit 50 million damage headshots

Upwards of 55

[hoary gate]

That sounds like an exotic and I am pretty sure I do not have it

Unless it's in my stash hiding

[patent fossil]

determined is still completely broken strong, sure nemesis does more damage but when you can one-shot everything with an SR-1 anyway, why bother with a charge-up time?

[strong cave]

To laugh when you see 56.4m show up in the damage logs 😂

Rogue agent detected? Not for long lol

[hoary gate]

Here is an old loadout I used for it, is it still good? What can I improve, change etc?

[fresh grove]

Replace totp with hotshot

[patent fossil]

sadly tips got nerfed and is no longer usable for sniper builds

[hoary gate]

What is totp?

[vestal ibex]

tip of the peen spear

[strong cave]

Replace tips (tots) for hotshot, go for providence bag or Gift named backpack

[fresh grove]

Tip of the spear

[strong cave]

All headshot damage for attributes

[vestal ibex]

Arialdi bag with vigi.

[patent fossil]

airaldi backpack, not prov

[strong cave]

Oh wow it does more damage??

[vestal ibex]

All weapon handling, Model 700, M700, SR-1/

[strong cave]

I use gift backpack

[vestal ibex]

You don't need HSD on the build at all tho.

[hoary gate]

So I want the same rolled armor pieces but just a different brand? And I am seeing 2 backpacks, what do they both do?

[strong cave]

Listen to the other guys, they know more about sniper builds than I do 👀

[onyx sage]

it's because the 2p walker isn't that good

[strong cave]

Even I'm learning here

[onyx sage]

you opt for chainkiller and airaldi backpack as noted above

[hoary gate]

Idk what that means

[onyx sage]

you're using 2 pieces of walker & harris

hence, 2p

[hoary gate]

Oh alright

[candid night]

Feedback for this pvp/dz/conflict build

[hoary gate]

Is the Airaldi backpack a specific named one or can I just go farm it somewhere?

[onyx sage]

it's a normal backpack, farm the airaldi brand

[hoary gate]

I will certainly try

What do I need to put on it?

[onyx sage]

headshot damage, weapon handling with vigilance talent

[magic pilot]

Swap gloves to grupo

[candid night]

🫡

[hoary gate]

Is the chest piece not as good as it sounds on paper?

[onyx sage]

it's top tier

[hoary gate]

So do I need to change everything besides my chest?

Is that what the verdict was?

[onyx sage]

the 4 gear set pieces should be hotshot instead of tips

[hoary gate]

Right

So I need the same 4 pieces, change the bp and keep the chest?

[onyx sage]

ye

gun should be a sniper instead of the 1886

[hoary gate]

Are the guns fine? Or is that a whole different can of worms?

[onyx sage]

_ _

[hoary gate]

Balls, idk if I have those but I will have to look

[onyx sage]

i highly recommend sr-1

it's just a normal sniper, not named

[hoary gate]

I might have some snipers stashed somewhere

And for skills/subclass are those good? Anything I should swap?

[onyx sage]

they're good, really you only need decoy, the second skill depends on the situation

[hoary gate]

I see, I might just keep what I have or when in doubt just swap to reviver hive cause I will probably get rolled a lot

[vestal ibex]

Naw dude sniper builds are OP AF, no one even mentioned determined which is like a record for our chat lol

[onyx sage]

i think everyone knows what my stance on determined is but it's super strong yeah

[hoary gate]

That's what my build revolves around, I just didn't know how good it was after it got nerfed. But learned that it is still pretty good

[vestal ibex]

It's basically a cheat. Dien should make a clip of using it to it's full potential. All the clips showcasing it are pretty doo doo.

[strong cave]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwTgtMYAxgjGBmayape1AuATOS94kBWADg3LS2GwjjqVikoos2DMhnmZ5ajbzJufEf2AA2Wl1GjMJSflgFI2YmRJIemQokmxgAdjihjZWEV79GRhkrhEZVzAjIHIJBwfBbsMBH5oEbwwgA

I swap between shield and decoy depends if the reanimated event is going on

[onyx sage]

never!!!!!

[strong cave]

That's my setup tho

[vestal ibex]

You can put music over it!

[onyx sage]

meh, i'd just use hunter's fury with a sniper and regulus

[onyx sage]

crungo

[hoary gate]

I just realized I had a really good bp for this, but 1 att off of being able to change 1 stat to make it work

[vestal ibex]

You solo play so tbh you don't even need vigi.

I'd say if you wanna run legendary with your sniper you should run vigi on the backpack otherwise it doesn't matter too much.

[onyx sage]

even legendary solo you don't need vigi

[vestal ibex]

Bro the sniper power creep makes HH builds have too much stuff that can be all over the place.

[hoary gate]

So I shouldn't farm what I am about to or?

[strong cave]

4,838,627 with gift
4,829,784 with Airaldi backpack

Just a teensy bit more HS damage with gift due to the bonus headshot

[onyx sage]

first shot damage is more but top end is less, and you probably don't have enough hsd at this point

[strong cave]

311% headshot damage

[onyx sage]

ah then it's going to hold for first shot always

but yeah your top end will be less

[strong cave]

That's so weird, how so??

[onyx sage]

here we go again

actually let me just link you the guide i wrote

[onyx sage]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s697/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=a35a5a5a-49be-18d8-9adf-21db9ab4458b&noteKey=AQZslVrmDps0MiJnBOuqVoD4mCkyYtZBWZF2-xb21YqqQUyeFN67NBubjA&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs697%2Fsh%2Fa35a5a5a-49be-18d8-9adf-21db9ab4458b%2FAQZslVrmDps0MiJnBOuqVoD4mCkyYtZBWZF2-xb21YqqQUyeFN67NBubjA&title=Headhunter%2BGuide%2B%2528TU19%2529

[strong cave]

Please do, I'm a bit puzzled 🤔

[onyx sage]

and headshot damage only increases shot damage

not hh bonus

hh bonus will make up the bulk of your damage at max stacks

[vestal ibex]

4.8 mil seems super low...

I think with a Model 700 it's almost 8 mil on first shot.

[hoary gate]

What does the shotshot logo look like?

[strong cave]

OOHHHHH so the headshot damage with gift is nerfing due to the fact it grants more headshot which does not apply for HH but weapon damage does?

[onyx sage]

yes

[strong cave]

I fully get it, now I see why

[strong cave]

Build tool says 4.8 mostly bc it's not smart. I just swapped gift for Air bag and model, same numbers as SR-1

Just slightly higher

[strong cave]

Holdup air bag is the same headshot damage as gift, but it boost MMR

It's better, damn... How did I miss this

[devout agate]

question

Is it better to run all blue cores or all blue and one red core for pvp

[vestal ibex]

I just know my ingame numbers.

[karmic iris]

Sup all, regarding Hunters Fury for PvE, I'm running Firewall for the Striker shield and I was wondering if I should stick to using a Grupo backpack or run Memento for the buff to the shield health and general survivability? Grupo does more damage overall I assume but sometimes I feel like wet cardboard when charging enemies if I don't use Memento, what's generally more efficient?

[magic pilot]

Memento for solo

[strong cave]

"trust me bro" lol

Thanks again guys, there's a lot of geniuses here

[karmic iris]

Grupo for everything else?

[magic pilot]

Grupo bp and ceska chest

Wicked, unstoppable force, ad rush, bloodsucker, vigi all good talents

Chest id go obliterate or intimidate

[karmic iris]

Yeah that's what I'm running, I have two loadouts and just can't decide which one I like better, sometimes I get absolutely wrecked trying to get close when I run Grupo 😂

Yeah I've got the good talents luckily, just can't decide which BP to use lmao

[magic pilot]

Could also try running 2 blue cores

[karmic iris]

Also one last question, what SMG should I run? I have a Dark Winter but sometimes the mag size screws me over, especially if Killer didn't trigger

[strong cave]

Chatterbox is broken with Hunter's Fury

Ouroboros works well too

I also heard fast hands/unwavering SMGs with a fast fire rate are really good

Typically those in the vector variant

[vestal ibex]

eh I'm at work. I might have old screen shots in here tho.

[karmic iris]

I might have to do some SMG hunting then 😄 thanks!

[strong cave]

It's all good, thanks to your help and dien's help I can make my 1 shot build slightly better

[vestal ibex]

#td2-build-advice message here this is a grey builds damage lol

[strong cave]

For rn I'm gonna keep using gift until I can manage to swap the backpack

[vestal ibex]

#ask-td2-community message First shot 8.45 mil

[strong cave]

Yup my numbers look just about the same, could be better now that I know what I know

[onyx sage]

build tool doesn't take talents into account and so the damage numbers are basically of as much use as the weapon's damage in inventory screen

[strong cave]

Okay yeah my SR-1 tops off at about 28m to 29m

That's likely due to gift backpack, not having the air bag with vigilance

I never knew that the weapon damage multiplies with head hunter. I figured it was just a base multiplier everytime so I thought headshot damage would be the way to go 🤔

Or well I mean I knew it did, I just never knew it would boost the way the guide describes

[vestal ibex]

Really it's all super overkill. I use the 3 pc hots DCH and weapon handling and still hit 30 mil on full HH.

[strong cave]

WAIT I'm a moron... I thought gift gives 30% weapon damage and taking damage disables it for 4s... Not just 25% and taking damage disables it for 3s... 😭😭 My god I'm straight up dumb

[vestal ibex]

lol

[strong cave]

So you're telling me for the past year I thought gift was better... 💀💀💀

[vestal ibex]

Someone out there will rationalize that extra second being 25% better up time so....

[strong cave]

For pvp, I agree 😂

That's 1s quicker up time

In this case, nope don't need it. Goddamn I'm literally trading 1s quicker uptime for 1 million less damage

🗿🗿🗿

I wish the eclipse virus ended me the day we stopped keener on that island

[hoary gate]

What scope do I use for snipers for the determined setup from earlier?

[vestal ibex]

No scope? Or sniper spec scope.

[hoary gate]

So use none?

[strong cave]

With sharpshooters specialization, use the sniper scope it gives (45% headshot damage, -5% Crit hit damage)

Make sure with sharpshooter specialization, spec into marksman rifles to unlock the attachment

[hoary gate]

I'll try it out, but I really do not like actual scopes in this game

[strong cave]

If your HS damage is high enough, you can get away with a Holo sight

[vestal ibex]

Try no scope then

Just pick an attachment that doesn't zoom but gives a bit of HSD

[hexed steppe]

I would c79 instead of no scope so there is an option to zoom in a bit

[vestal ibex]

Red=dead

I say try it all out to see what works best for you

[urban latch]

I prefer the 3.4x or 4x. They default to no scope, but give you the option to scope if/when you want to

[hoary gate]

I see, and what is a good HS damage to be at?

[hexed steppe]

150<

[strong cave]

150 or above, unless you like being extreme and wanna go %300+

[vestal ibex]

Yeah hsd doesn't impact this build as much as you'd think.

[hoary gate]

I'm at 188 so I'm probably good for now

[vestal ibex]

Weapon handling will probably allow you to snipe easier in the long run as damage is no shortage.

[onyx sage]

what's a damage? all i play is blue or yellow

[vestal ibex]

You could play blue or yellow sniper sadly

T6 sniper turret sniper build vid coming soon?

[onyx sage]

💀

[hexed steppe]

Makes habsburg easier to farm ig

[onyx sage]

so true

[half cosmos]

Welp idk what posseed me but i tried legendary solo got my ass kicked into litral next day 🙃 my striker can kill but IF i dont even survive a milsec that is pointless idk what to do it can clear other stuff easy

[vestal ibex]

Dien has a good vid on how to third eye peak.

It's how he does solo legendary

That's the only reason. No player skill, no aim ability, no strats, just cheeky peeky.

[half cosmos]

Tell that to the rain of flufing grenades on union area

But going to check that vid now

Did not find that insted got given a lot of those scaming ppl vid

[vestal ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLopWe9NfF0

[onyx sage]

i mean strats do matter but when it comes down to it that's how you 1v1 people

[half cosmos]

I will be honest i have near simmilar build but i keep dying before i even get my stacks up

[onyx sage]

it's not the build, it's how you play

[half cosmos]

So for this forget that getting to cover is main prio?

[onyx sage]

yes

use cover but don't get in it

[half cosmos]

Welp imma try tomorrow its 3am here rn gn

[waxen grotto]

Highest dps build is what right now

[vestal ibex]

Head Hunter Hunter fury regulus/m870/model 700

[urban latch]

Use cover, not the cover system

[hexed steppe]

striker and nego are top dps. both are in the pinned spreadsheet in this channel

[oak estuary]

What is a good build for skill i am a beginner i got a striker build and i need a skill build

I am shd 17

[urban latch]

Eclipse

[onyx sage]

eclipse guide, you want both variants

[urban latch]

Very simple to get the basic setup, and one of the strongest builds in the game, with a unique play style

[oak estuary]

Thank you guys

[hoary gate]

What ARs are good?

[gusty valve]

With Negotiator’s Dilemma, is it fine to main a weapon like the classic m1a with that gear set or would fully autos just be outright better to use

[onyx sage]

rifles are completely fine with it, only thing is your marking speed will lower

[hexed steppe]

youll want to main an ar like elmo or famas , m1a classic/cqb are both good secondary weapons. cqb will match chc with high end ar, and only 5 chc less than elmo.

[gusty valve]

Okay so its fine but better off as secondary and if at some distance kk

Could try the cqb but I personally dont like the feel of it

[hexed steppe]

yeah its definitely gonna go down to preference. cqb just has an extra mod slot and higher dps over all

[gusty valve]

What builds could i do for the classic m1a

[fathom fox]

Focus and oppurtunistic are great shouts for m1a

[hoary gate]

How difficult are incursions?...

[onyx sage]

why opportunistic?? m1a doesn't proc it

[fathom fox]

Is it worth sitting on 50 chc and 150 chd or should i swap contractors for a cv piece for chc?.

[fathom fox]

I must be tripping. Did they change the way it works? That used to be common on raid builds. If so my bad lol maybe just ninjas and a high chd chc with focus instead.

[onyx sage]

ninja isn't useful either

just vigi and focus/gc is the way to go for it

[fathom fox]

Cant go wrong with vigi

Can you run perfect spotter with rifles?

[onyx sage]

yes

[fathom fox]

P spotter and vig sounds deadlyyy

[onyx sage]

first, drop ninja for a good backpack talent like vigi or use memento. extra brand bonuses are not needed at all

the classic high end build is coyote, contractor, fox, 3p prov or similar

[fathom fox]

I run ninjas for groupos explosive buff, picarros skill tier and golans 1.5 and status. Are they not worth it rather than go for the full multiplacative dps route?

Im tryin to go for survivable skill hybrid

[onyx sage]

yes it's completely worthless here. backpack talent is much better than ninja

if you want survivability... memento exists

[fathom fox]

Any suggestions on talents that might keep the skills in play?

Bear in mind this is my pvp so im not crazy on stacking memento buffs

[gusty valve]

opportunistic are shotguns and marksman rifles, m1a just a rifle

but thx guys

[magic pilot]

Trying to do way too much with this build

[hexed steppe]

nego and highend red crit builds

[strong cave]

I'm a ninjabike fan and yeah there's no focus with this build it seems 🤔 can make way better with different pieces for sure

[strong cave]

For me personally, I'd run vigilance talent for a backpack, walker and Harris ofc. Armor core, crits for attributes. Contractor's is okay, not a bad piece. An armor core would be nice tho. Grupo chest is fine, I see nothing wrong with that. Instead of that mask, take coyotes. Helps the team out tremendously. Fox's prayer knees are okay, I recommend taking those with an armor core. Picaro's can stay. Definitely swap out those guns for different guns. You can get away with using technician for a flatline weapon, it'll keep enemies pulsed and grant more weapon damage. Skills look okay to me, I recommend using fire sticky tho so the enemies can no longer aim down sights.

4 armor cores, 2 red cores, +5% from walker as well, making about 1.6m armor and 35% weapon damage. Factor in vig, an additional 25% and 15-20% damage if you take a flatline weapon (20 for Kingbreaker, 15 for normal guns). Crits should be fairly high as well

Skill tiers are nice, but this build is trying to do way too much that you're better off ditching the core attributes/brand/gear bonuses from ninja for talents and sub attributes

[wise swallow]

firewall medkit > flatline (everything but spotter vigi team builds)

[strong cave]

^ could go this direction as well! Plenty of options

[spiral flicker]

Quick question, does having more than 100% skill haste work? I read somewhere there are diminishing returns after 100% but I have an open attribute that I was going to slot more skill haste into, but didn't know if it was pointless or not

[magic pilot]

There is dimishing returns as soon as you have more than 1 of any stat

More than 100% haste is fine, ultimately it comes down to if you want more haste or another roll

[serene hare]

Wasted at least 20 components on my Dread Edict, just to play a bunch of DZ, buy a exotic crate and get this...

Sometimes I simply hate this game.

[serene hare]

Only 760000 more damage and my build will be absolutely completed.

[vestal ibex]

Until you find a named enemy that's a higher health archetype but at this point you could one shot a lower health archetype like a shotgunner named enemy.

[solar sable]

@magic pilot Is it viable to use ceska bp and just recal the talent to adrush instead of using the one required for your build?

[magic pilot]

I would definitely try to get a blue code one but that works for now

Also that pic is a little old

You are gonna want shield splinterer

[fathom fox]

Cheers ill make a kb build so

[strong cave]

For a bit more damage you can swap unbreakable with spotter and then possibly, and this is optional, get a decently rolled Closer (uzina Getica) chest piece

[elder zinc]

whats a good cheesy darkzone build easy to use

[dull ermine]

It’s called the bonk build

Cringy, cheesy, easy to use

[wise swallow]

Status or mortar

[flint tiger]

whats the optimal chc to chd ratio?

[onyx sage]

1:2 unless you hit 60% chc

[urban latch]

Which on an optimized build you'll generally reach the crit cap of 60% and go well over 120% CHD

[serene hare]

Yeah, I know that, but my goal is to kill everything.

Except true bosses, like Wyvern for example, I don't think it's possible to oneshot her.

No, I don't think, it really isn't possible, she have way more than 19800000 HP.

Only very high damaging weapons can.

Does she have any armor or helmet tho? I don't remember.

[onyx sage]

she has a helmet, acts as armor plate

[serene hare]

Wait, Binocular? You changed?

[onyx sage]

yeah

[serene hare]

Why?

[ancient dune]

He's headhunter

[onyx sage]

just felt like it, i'm really a headhunter main anyway

[serene hare]

Based.

[onyx sage]

the whole schtick about binoculars was just to tease @blissful rampart

[serene hare]

I'm doing a Red Harlow build, I think it's very good.

I just need to finish the opimization on that backpack and a few more weapon damage points on SHD watch and I'm set.

[ancient dune]

How high does the 1886 go? Like 16 or 17M?

[serene hare]

Mine is at 19 million

My goal is to reach 19800000.

[ancient dune]

Not too bad actually definitely usable at heroic

[serene hare]

It definitely is.

[ancient dune]

Tested against named dummy?

[serene hare]

Yes.

[ancient dune]

It'd probably hit a bit lower against the average elite but I think it should still one shot on 4 player scaling

Think the 4p heroic breakpoint is 17M ish

[serene hare]

This is my actual damage.

[ancient dune]

Try it on an elite instead of named

[ancient dune]

Oh are you aiming to oneshot named solo 🤔

[serene hare]

Yes.

[ancient dune]

Hrm might be hard

What's the attribute on your 1886?

[serene hare]

.

Max weapon damage + max DTTOOC.

[ancient dune]

DtA would probably help climb a tiny bit higher maybe

But you'd probably be better off getting more expertise

[serene hare]

I just need the 13 points missing of weapon damage in SHD watch and to end my optimization on that backpack to get the +1.8% HSD.

I'm pretty sure I'll get the damage I'm looking for after this.

[ancient dune]

The HSD won't do much tbh I think a few extra points of expertise in the gun will bump it up to where you want

Watch will be good though

[serene hare]

It will not do much, but will do enough.

Just to finally have a 100% optimized build.

Those public execution shits are kinda boring tho.

[hazy steeple]

Vary it up. Do CP's as well, do the other activities.

even Bounties aren't half bad if you do them fast.

[serene hare]

Would be super fine if, instead of Crit damage, the secondary attribute of the rifles were Weapon handling or anything that's actually useful for those weapons.

[hazy steeple]

Rifles are crit focused.

MMR's are the ones that aren't.

For a very long time, the meta DPS setup was an AR and a Rifle on all red crit.

[serene hare]

And none of them are actually that good, and the one that is pretty good is one with the highest damage and is used for stylish and headshots, 1886.

[serene hare]

Were they? That's funny.

No one uses rifles nowadays.

[onyx sage]

the m1a cqb is still very competitive unironically

[hazy steeple]

m1a classic/cqb are both excellent, yeah

[serene hare]

I think I deconstruct the one I had.

I only have the named one.

[onyx sage]

if you wanna vary it up, doing m1a on nego or classic high end is a big change-up

[serene hare]

My only build that I'm not satisfied with is my high end AR build.
It looks so good, but for some reason, it isn't.

[onyx sage]

the upside of it is it has "instant" damage uptime, the downside is its damage ceiling is limited. you're probably facing its downside

[hazy steeple]

Coyotes, 3x provi, fox kees, and a ceska piece.
that's the classic FMJ (now called standard red dps) setup.
it's not going to do as well as a Strikers, but that's because Strikers is busted not because that's a bad build.

[onyx sage]

something like raids or heroic you'll like it more because there aren't enough tanky enemies or enough damage opportunities to keep striker stacks up, so that's where it shines

[serene hare]

I think it's pretty mid, my high end SMG build does wonders.

[hazy steeple]

The setup you have falls into some classic traps.
using Fenris, having 2 guns at about the same range so your engagement is limited, likely using the BLB too much as you can mostly just avoid it even in Heroic (Kard is a good utility there as it can make your rez hive stronger when in teams).

Try copying the build that I mentioned, see how it goes and playing at the right ranges.

[serene hare]

Damn, I need a Thompson with max stats and Strained.

Mine have... "Preserve"?

It's the one that recovers armor.

Obviously it's not bad, but the damage of this weapon is nuts.

[hazy steeple]

I dislike guns that limit mod slots, not enough utility for me.

[serene hare]

I think they are fun to use.

[hazy steeple]

Banshee is great these days, mp7 is up there but missing a mod slot.

I finally bit the bullet and swapped my mp5-st to a banshee and there is a difference, even at maxed vs non-maxed Expertise.

[serene hare]

I still don't get it, why would I trade the AR damage bonus for HSD?

A crit weapon shouldn't care about headshots.

[hazy steeple]

Because it's not as much as you think.
Fenris (like Airaldi/Sokolov, etc) goes off the base damage, not the modified red core one.

so the total with full red is closer to 2-3%.

[serene hare]

Yeah, but HDS is no damage at all.

[hazy steeple]

You are using 3 pieces in this setup, it's not really about the first piece.

[serene hare]

I already have 1 Grupo and 1 Ceska, and the bonuses are the same, 10 and 15 crit chance and damage.

[hazy steeple]

You need more than 1 brandset bonus of crit, especially with an AR.
even using Coyotes you still need to reach 50%, especially when using an f2k and its missing mod slot.

[hexed steppe]

high end usually over chance if the rolls are correct

[serene hare]

This is making no sense to me.

I have my crit chance at 60%

[hazy steeple]

You're using Coyotes with an AR, your crit is at 60%. This is starting to make sense now.

[hexed steppe]

what you have isnt bad. the 3 prov suggested is important if you want to utilize perfect glass .

[serene hare]

But I don't.

[hexed steppe]

but youre not, so fenris or contractors fits

[hazy steeple]

just a note deck, their SHD is at 400.

[hexed steppe]

at 500 both crit stats are complete if they are focused on buffing first

[hazy steeple]

In an ideal world sure.

[hexed steppe]

is youre watch chc maxed

[serene hare]

...

[hazy steeple]

I'll take that as a "wat"

Post a screenshot of the SHD watch page.

[serene hare]

I thought you would take that as a "no", which it is.

I'm doing weapon damage and HSD.

I think I see the problem tho.

That build will not get that good any soon.

[hexed steppe]

welp, there goes my theory 😂

[hazy steeple]

The build is fine from like SHD 200, which is when I used it myself on Legendaries.

justice for FMJ, down with strikers!

[onyx sage]

headhunter

[hazy steeple]

I think we're both kinda confused about this whole thing lol.

[flint wave]

after all these years

[serene hare]

I was looking for Cassie M. and I found this.
Ngl, this got me by surprise.

As a bonus I found a secondary mission too.

[magic pilot]

There is stuff like that all over, massive is a very inclusive development studio

[serene hare]

Now I only have 1 secondary mission remaining

Which I'll not know any soon.

[shy willow]

My god it's the real headhunter

[glossy scarab]

who's old enough to remember when a headhunter was person who was hired by an employer to seek out people to fill jobs

[signal pelican]

What build should I run if want to start doing raids?

[onyx sage]

striker, use the "Obliterate Setup"

[fair dragon]

Did you use a WoNY boost or something. Because there's a side mission giver nearby and you'd have seen the banner

[serene hare]

I don't think you get it.
I was going for Cassie, and her location was in that hidden place with a banner and that couple that gave me a secondary mission.

After that, I still missing 1, which I don't think I'll find any soon.

Answering your question, no, this is my main character, the one I started the game.

[hazy steeple]

IKR? Was a nice surprise.
There's at least one more around DC too IIRC.

[turbid dawn]

If you got advice on other equipment to use, I'm all ears

[hexed steppe]

swap contractors out for ceska. currently youll have to dedicate too much chc att/mods to hit 60chc.
using a ceska piece will bring up your dps, just make sure to adjust gear so you dont run overcap. aim for 60chc, rest into chd.

ideal setup with elmo would be ceska obliterate chest/coyote mask, you would aim for 50chc, rest into chd with coyote.

[pastel shard]

Only sort of advice I could offer is swapping the gloves for striker than putting fox’s prayers on for dtoc

[turbid dawn]

Fox's prayers ? dtoc ?

[pastel shard]

Could also swap the grupo chest for ceska but depends on ur attributes

[pastel shard]

Named kneepads with 8% damage to targets out of cover

[hexed steppe]

fox's not worth when crit starved, same boat as contractors

[pastel shard]

Why I said could change his chest to ceska

[turbid dawn]

So Coyote mask and Ceskà oblit chest ?

[pastel shard]

That also works

[hexed steppe]

that is ideal setup. with your current watch youll still need some chance rolls/mods. but once watch is maxed out for crit, youll hit 52chc with only your secondary rolls coing to chc.

[turbid dawn]

Currently at 33.3% chc

And 103.3% chd

[pastel shard]

Hsd?

[hexed steppe]

it wouldn matter. max they can hit atm without dedicating any chc rolls is 42chc.. if you gotta throw chance mods on, then grupo has more value than contractors/fox's

[turbid dawn]

103, as shown on the screenshot

[hexed steppe]

you didnt show a stats screenshot

[hazy steeple]

I don't speak that, but isn't that your crit damage?

hsd appears to only be at 64%

[turbid dawn]

aaaaah, yeah X)
Thought they talked about my level smh

[pastel shard]

What r ur rolls on the striker pieces?

[hexed steppe]

so 33/103. youll want to make sure you have enough crit chance rolled (probablite), youll want to be in 50-60 range. ceska for contractors will get this to 43%

[turbid dawn]

Is contractors a talent ?

like obliterate is*

[hazy steeple]

"Contractors" refers to the Petrov branded named gloves that come with Damage to Armour (DtA) as a locked stat.

[turbid dawn]

Boost it to 43%, or lock it to 43% ?

[hexed steppe]

adding ceska will bring it to 43. you want to hit between 50-60 for miggest dps boost

[turbid dawn]

Basic maths : 43 is LOWER than 50 and 60.
So does it HELP achieving those numbers, or LOWER the whole to 43 ?

Sorry for asking this disrespectfully, however you repeated the same thing I didn't understand the first time

From what you told me, either oblit ceska chest or ceska contractors glove helps getting a better chc.
However I'm either completely braindead, or you told the exact opposite during the conversation

[tulip charm]

Run ceska gloves instead of contractors glove

[turbid dawn]

NBC gloves ?

[tulip charm]

Yes

Does one of them have crit hit chance or damage rolled into them?

[turbid dawn]

As said earlier, sorry for sounding like a disrespectful moron, but I felt like my braincells were fleeing the more I read the chat trying to explain

[tulip charm]

xd

[turbid dawn]

wd, chc and wh

[tulip charm]

What about the one with 15% wd

[turbid dawn]

Currently it's stuck at 11.7% since I didn't tinker it

so it's a variable I'll enchance soon enough

[tulip charm]

Thats fine im asking about the one below that glove

[tulip charm]

From this picture

[turbid dawn]

....Why do I have the feeling I destroyed it ?

Because I fucking did -_-

[tulip charm]

xd

[turbid dawn]

Sacrificed it to the library ig

[tulip charm]

Ok so use the nbc glove

[turbid dawn]

Currently wearing them

[tulip charm]

Roll the wh to chd and that would be good until you can fix the chest piece

[turbid dawn]

I lost the part where they told me which one to pick.... XD

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

What’s your chc at the moment

[turbid dawn]

114%

[tulip charm]

Crit Chance

[hexed steppe]

you want to push as close as you can to 60chc.

a good test to see which is better when you are checking your setup.
take you crit chance and multiply it to your crit damage for each setup.
chc x chd

[hexed steppe]

the chance is the one labeled probabilite

[turbid dawn]

sometimes I read chc as chd for some unknown reason.
42.6% currently

[tulip charm]

Ok

Take your striker kneepads and mask and roll them with crit hit chance

[turbid dawn]

both with chc instead of chd ?

[tulip charm]

Yes

[hexed steppe]

yeah, you can roll them back chd after when you get your other pieces set

[turbid dawn]

I mean ye since I have to get to 50-60 chc

[tulip charm]

Exactly

[turbid dawn]

I'll just do a CD run for the mask and I'll surely be back with chc striker mask lmfao

[hexed steppe]

overall itll be a dps gain. then you run low chance it means less bullets using the chd

once watch is maxed with elmo, youll be able to hit 52chc/173chd with only secondary rolls on the ceska chest and coyote mask.

[tulip charm]

Oh right coyotes

Eh groupo will do fine. Coyote is just min maxing at that point.

[hexed steppe]

ofc

[turbid dawn]

I mean I'll try to get Coyotes just for the lulz

[tulip charm]

Well just buy exotic caches instead of actively farming mask in cd

Your first priority should be finding a Ceska chest piece with chc/chd/obliterate

[turbid dawn]

I..... Already have a ceska chest piece with chc XD
RNG at its finest

So two ceska pieces with 4p striker ?