td2-build-advice

[short nexus]

hey odder, i think i found the perfect swap chain

[wise swallow]

and do you agree 3pc prov is bad

and you do agree PVP builds and PVE are not indentical and require different pieces

[short nexus]

behold, my secondary in the sniper build

[dense seal]

Factually incorrect

[dense seal]

factually incorrect

[wise swallow]

You literally just said youd take coyotes over 3 pc prov

[hexed steppe]

So generic smg, no identifiers , 3rd attribute, talent

[short nexus]

its a swap chain, attribute is health damage

[urban latch]

It's not bad but it's not optimal

[wise swallow]

Blue core HF piece. Red core HF piece. they are different. a blue core HF piece would require you to get CHD rolled on. Red core HF piece requires just good red core or CHD.

[dense seal]

Yeah, Blue HF is terrible. Red Hf is good

[wise swallow]

and your reasoning is killing faster is better for HF

[dense seal]

It is an on kill bonus.
If your reasoning is not, then I question everything about you

[hexed steppe]

You'll want 3rd attribute to be dttooc for best possible damage potential

[gentle lichen]

I'm not sure if anyone can confirm but is the disorient procced on down or kill in pvp? HF Question

[short nexus]

thanks, but still really good eh?

[wise swallow]

ok so the logic is on kill bonus = kill faster = better. (in a PVP context)

EB builds should be all red by your logic

[wise swallow]

its on kill kill. not down

[gentle lichen]

Unfortunate because there are certain talents and weapons that have their ability procced on down. EB and lady death as an example

They are much much more valuable than on kill

[wise swallow]

the logic of if its on kill just kill faster just doesnt work in PVP

it doesn't work in practicality

a 6 red HF build will be dead before they can even finish the downed dude

[gentle lichen]

Yeah there's like a 3 second immunity between getting downed and actually getting killed.
No amount of damage will help you

[wise swallow]

blues give you time to reposition, run to a better spot, give a better angle. firewall kit. theres a million benefits to blues that all red cant give. Just killing faster to get more DMG isnt gonna win you any big fights

[limpid pelican]

I don't think I've ever seen one person use 3 piece prov in pvp for smg

Striker ouro is almost your go to. I'd say the determining factor as far as to what your build looks like, is whether or not you have a healer

Hunters fury though??? Since we're speaking hypothetically, then we could simply assume you have max memento stacks with 15 trophies on the ground and max striker stacks

[odd ginkgo]

What part of the Lady Death talent procs on down? You get stacks from running and speed increase from a kill.

[covert meadow]

Guys how is this looking for this strikers?

[gentle lichen]

Speed increase is on down in pvp

[odd ginkgo]

I don't do PvP, obviously lol.

[limpid pelican]

Idk as far as the convo I unfortunately missed out on, assuming you're going to have max stacks at the start of an engagement sounds like a bad idea.

If you're farming a landmark the main way I see you getting any sort of advantage is by using memento. Then again, that's speaking hypothetically. Best case scenario imo would be striker. Try to maintain max striker stacks with ouro, and utilize either coyotes or catharsis with obliterate or unbreakable

Hunters fury, even for farming in the dz and assuming you are halfway through a landmark, comes nowhere near striker. Which is pretty obvious but yeah. Using hunters fury in dz sounds like you're asking to get picked on

[hexed steppe]

looks decent for memento strikers. its always a little trade on crit to use mem, but it has a lot to offer. might want to consider a free 2 tier shield, once stacked memento will increase its overall armor with the efficiency boosting skill health by 30%

[covert meadow]

Ok bro, I will put the shield on, I thought it had to run chem to @hexed steppe

This shield allows you to get in tighter to @hexed steppe 👍 crusader

[hexed steppe]

yeah its pretty decent even with no skilltiers, memento is an easy 2 tiers for just slapping it on.
i do something similar on my regulus build with bulwark, tech class/memento/yellow core picaros/artificer hive. t4 shield/t3 artificer. starts off just under 10mil shield, but jumps to over 12mil once memento stacks. and artificer hits it with 48-58% repair every 10 seconds 😅

[covert meadow]

Wow! That sounds amazing!!! You know ima ask to copy lmao 🤣

But there so good what can I say lol

[bronze hound]

did famas ever get out-dpsed after project resolved

[hexed steppe]

there is a sheet floating around with updated damages with different talents, i dont have a copy but maybe someone will post it up

[limpid pelican]

Screenshots from iKia and dod's somewhat recent videos after project resolve

[bronze hound]

so not really

[limpid pelican]

Shield splinter is better, but 1 less chc slot

L86 and rpk are better but lmgs

Famas is still famas, but shield splinter is better

[bronze hound]

but doesnt it have worse sustain

[limpid pelican]

I think famas with damage talent is better than shield splinter actually

Lmgs are almost 2m more dps though

[tulip charm]

Pretty sure some out dps it but they have some drawbacks

[limpid pelican]

Famas is 12.9 burst

With strained

Shield splinter is 12.6

[onyx sage]

in practical use ymmv tbh

in legendary we don't use lmg because suppressed

[limpid pelican]

Yeah that makes sense

[limpid pelican]

Sustained dps is in the second to last category left to right

[bronze hound]

so yes

[limpid pelican]

So 8.5m sustained for shield splinter 7.8m for famas

[bronze hound]

no 8.8

with fast hands

[limpid pelican]

Yeah with fast hands mb was looking at strained still

It's one of those things where pvp and pve results differ

Shield splinter has replaced famas in pvp meta

[mossy osprey]

Does harmony rifle or TDI Pistol drops in countdown ?

[bronze hound]

TDI does not

harmony does iirc

[vestal ibex]

These are both DZ items. They will not drop in countdown but you can use countdown requisition to buy named caches for a chance to get DZ items.

[mossy osprey]

thx

[bronze hound]

harmony is?

damn musta forgotten D:

[hexed steppe]

keep an eye on cd vendor. ive seen both of those come up for sale before

named caches as well if you dont want to farm the dz

[serene hare]

This set is oddly very fun to use.

I just need a DTTOOC on that Scorpio and it will be perfect.

It sucks to not use Firewall with SMGs tho.

[tulip charm]

You mean lmgs?

[serene hare]

No, I mean SMGs.
The +15% are in AR, LMG and Shotguns.

[tulip charm]

Just change it?

[serene hare]

Just change it? Why?
One set uses AR and shotguns, other uses LMG and shotguns.

Maybe I could remove the bonus damage on Shotguns and put on SMG to get the bonus fire rate, the shotguns are only support anyway.

It is quite a chunk of less damage tho...

Dammit.

[tulip charm]

Personally I’d stick lmgs w/ gunner unless you do pvp. Cant abuse shield with lmgs

[serene hare]

Sometimes I think about using Gunner for the RPK + Scorpio build, but the striker shield is very good.

Banshee doesn't stun for long enough for me to get close to them.

[candid talon]

I quit for like 7 months. Is Ironlung in the exotic pool?

[onyx sage]

yes

[candid talon]

Tyvm

[serene hare]

I got one in two days ago

[steep flint]

So I’m trying to put together this bottom build (Vector Ninja Striker) and it seems like kind of a dumb question but shouldn’t I just try to go for a blue core striker piece instead of the blue core sokolov chest because it’s just be easier to farm? I have the core color in front of every piece and in the build it was red striker knees but he also had blue core sokolov chest. See what I’m saying? P.S. sorry for the shorthand in my notepad if its not super easy to follow

[serene grotto]

Is the Foundry Bulwark set any good?

[bronze hound]

depends on the context

[serene grotto]

What can I use it in

[bronze hound]

a tank build

lol

[short nexus]

hey, you about ready?

[magic pilot]

Sorry, I'm actually about to go out tn! It's my friends 21st birthday tonight

[short nexus]

of course

[steep flint]

before you go can you look at what i said a couple posts ago? but have fun tonight, be safe

[magic pilot]

You are correct, also I'm a huge ninjabike hater

And I don't use any blue cores in pve usually, very specific builds do I have blues cores outside memento

[onyx sage]

based

[steep flint]

Yeah me too after my failed builds with it lol, but I just saw the build in a video and thought it was something to farm for

[short nexus]

hey dien, is there any way to rush the next invasion?

i really want to get the last 2 parts and the blueprint

[magic pilot]

Sadly no @short nexus

[magic pilot]

Fair

[short nexus]

damnit

[magic pilot]

Stupid bot

I have some pvp builds that are a huge pain to farm for

[short nexus]

i swear, time gating is the single dumbest mechanic

why the hell should i have to take three weeks to get a gun, all hte missions already exist you just wont let me play them, ubi

[magic pilot]

Its very annoying

Luckily @versed summit got one randomly while me him and odder were farming for sokolov

So that's how I got mine on pc

[short nexus]

id be farming for one right now but you gotta go

[magic pilot]

I apologize lol

I've been going out a lot this week

[short nexus]

hmm, is it the boss itself or is it the mission that drops the part

[magic pilot]

I'm not sure it's been years for me lol

[versed summit]

Think it’s the boss

[short nexus]

hmmm

also, are you busy atm ic3sco?

[versed summit]

Heading to my bed right now lol

[onyx sage]

for what?

sorry i'm lost

[short nexus]

nemesis, the sniper rifle

[onyx sage]

it depends on the mission

all the parts come from mission completion, but the blueprint drops from puck in GWH invaded

she's the first boss, you don't need to complete the whole mission for the blueprint

[short nexus]

im talking specifically about the 2 parts i dont have and the blueprint, i have the tally and the bridle

[onyx sage]

there you go

[short nexus]

also, iden, can you help me finish the summit? i want to unluck ridgeways pride

[onyx sage]

it's 11pm where i'm at

[short nexus]

i think all i need is the bluprint, since i have the tags, the vest, and one other bit

[short nexus]

its midnight here

[onyx sage]

you need to collect all the parts and get the blueprint from f100 completion

[short nexus]

yeah, i think i have al lthe parts

i have body armor, shoulder pads, and dog tags, all i need is the blueprint i believe

[serene hare]

The hell is going on with this game now?

3 Delta-02 in 5 minutes.

[onyx sage]

you're missing hunting knife and flag patch

[short nexus]

damn there are 5 parts?

blueprint included i mean

[onyx sage]

no, bp is separate

[short nexus]

no 5 parts as in 5 bits you need, the 4 from in the tower and bp from summit completion

[onyx sage]

no

[short nexus]

wait i have 3 your right

[onyx sage]

you need 5 parts AND blueprint

[short nexus]

god damn, is ridgeways pride even good?

[onyx sage]

no

[short nexus]

bruh

[onyx sage]

if it makes you feel any better

[short nexus]

if its this annoying to get it should at least be useful

[short nexus]

no if anything im even more annoyed because its super annoying and RNG to get but its apparently not even good

[gentle lichen]

It's rather good in pvp.
As for pve applications not really

[short nexus]

who even plays pvp

[gentle lichen]

A fair number

[onyx sage]

i'll be honest, i apply pvp tactics in legendary

[short nexus]

is the m1928 a decent smg?

[onyx sage]

yeah

[gentle lichen]

Cut strafe those white tusk snipers?

[onyx sage]

melee bait, third person peek

melee bait is just strafing yeah

[gentle lichen]

Not sure if left hand peek works in pve

[onyx sage]

it does

[gentle lichen]

Ads won't target your hand?

[onyx sage]

they sometimes do, but mostly they try to shoot center mass

[short nexus]

i just found one that heals me and has a lot of damage, 170k

[shy willow]

You can mostly disregard base damage

[pine monolith]

Assuming dmg out of cover>dmg to armor since the majority of the time it's just a flat 10% dmg increase?

[hazy steeple]

Pretty much!

dta is also only effective on enemies who do have a white-bar, so it doesn't even work against most Heavies.

[rich lotus]

oh uhh whats the general advice for healing builds?

[shy willow]

4 piece FI, the setup/Alps opportunistic bag, btsu datagloves, with lefty and scorpio

All yellow with haste and repair

[rich lotus]

fl?

[onyx sage]

future initiative

[rich lotus]

ah fi

god i hate capital I's

why cant they stick the lines on it in this silly font ;-;

[wanton hornet]

While I understand the reasoning behind lefty/scorpio combo, it also seems a surefire way to run out of ammo.

[pastel shard]

U shouldnt run out of ammo too quick tbh

[shy willow]

You'll never run out of ammo really cuz you only need to shoot to proc sledge and Scorpio/oppirtunistic

No need to mag dump anything like striker

[hexed steppe]

can always use stage left for proccing perfect sledge as well. just swap to it when grenade about to pop and then back to scorp.

[potent carbon]

what is the best build for The Bighorn?

[grim birch]

What’s the best attribute for LMg in a striker build

[shy willow]

What's the objective here

[turbid dawn]

I'd say being better obv

However if you have vague or even precise advices I'm down

[shy willow]

Depends on how you define better though

What do you want the build to do

To start with the obvious you're using petrov, airaldi and overlord but not using an lmg, rifle or MMR so it's not much use

[turbid dawn]

Good thing I love playing LMG lmao

[patent fossil]

check the spreadsheet linked in the pinned messages if you want a look at some top builds

[steady ridge]

Anyone got the link to the meta builds like the google docs one?

[whole grotto]

I need help

[vestal ibex]

With the blue?

[hazy steeple]

I think that's Tobias Funke's TV.

From what I can see, you want to swap out that Picaro's Holster with a ceska chest w/obliterate on the bulk of content, and either the gloves/knees/holster for a ceska piece and use the Striker chest for when it's something like an Incursion, where the enemies have LOTS of health.

Picaro's looks great with the weapon damage but it's far less useful than you might think.

[potent carbon]

did anyone have The Bighorn build?

[bronze hound]

if youre asking for a build that specifically uses bighorn there isnt one because its not as good as other ARs

but if youre trying to use it then just take an ar build and swap it

@potent carbon

[hazy steeple]

I tried to bribe Raucey to add it to the Strikers setup but they have too much integrity.

[bronze hound]

like hell he would lol

goes against core values to intentionally nerf a build

[potent carbon]

how about eagle bearer?

[hazy steeple]

That's more for the DZ.
ask @wise swallow

[bronze hound]

not as bad but not meta

[limpid pelican]

bighorn slams in pvp

pve, meh

[gentle lichen]

Boghorn outdps eb even without stacks right?

[limpid pelican]

pretty sure head up face trading meta crit chance headshot big horn out dps' anything

especially due to the fact it chops through unbreakable and doesnt proc it

[gentle lichen]

Quite rare
That seems to happen much more consistently with things like regulus or sniper/shotgun

Also all red spotter does that too

[limpid pelican]

not rare at all with chc headshot

its a matter of dps

and landing headshots when unbreakable procs

[gentle lichen]

It's gonna depend on your burst and how low the player is before unbreakable applies

If they have less than a bar the chances of skipping it are high

[limpid pelican]

with fox's 1p habs and the rest being meta crit 1v build, you will chop through unbreakable every single time

[short nexus]

I think the best ar nowadays is Saint Elmo's Engind

[limpid pelican]

but yeah it's definitely a matter of if you can keep a consistent beam while unbreakable is about to proc

[magic pilot]

I run, everyday carry, fox, Picaros, contractors, fenris, and Habsburg

I'm trying to get a concussion bp

[gentle lichen]

I'm thinking of an intimidate bighorn

[magic pilot]

Could be fun

[gentle lichen]

But I'm trying to lean in more to team related builds

Like the obliterate striker does insanely well when there's a healer in your group

[limpid pelican]

Ah yeah intimidate regen is a bit less dmg

[wind hare]

Which is the best assault rifle to get? And from where pls?

[versed summit]

F2000 or FAMAS for High End, St. Elmo's for Exotic. Countdown with targeted loot to ARs is your best bet

[devout agate]

For a bighorn regen build what talent do I want on my backpack

Adrenaline rush?

[short nexus]

ideally not using bighorn, i believe there's an assault rifle that helps you regenerate your shields

[short nexus]

you think you're gonna be able to help tonight or nah

[onyx sage]

yeah

[short nexus]

hey dien, you down for a little more summit?

[onyx sage]

no, currently busy

[short nexus]

understandable

[short nexus]

i think memento works really well on this cursed ass build

[glossy scarab]

taking out heroic elite targets in the range will get you that same exact number all the time (not literally)

cant trust it

[pastel shard]

Ye u need to field test ur builds

Stationary target isn’t always the case

[short nexus]

its working decently enough right now

[gusty valve]

use the text chat -> combat info -> damage numbers to see how much your actually doing

[potent carbon]

What the best rifle for now?

[fierce garnet]

Pvp or pve

[potent carbon]

Pve

[fierce garnet]

M1a boomerang

[short nexus]

what skills can improve my weapon damage?

[solar sable]

I don't think they have that ability

[shy willow]

Technically Achilles

But at skill tier 0 it's not the best

I hear expertised Achilles is godly though

[short nexus]

what skills are good on a sniper build, assuming no mantis

[shy willow]

Decoy, tac drone

[short nexus]

this is assuming no mantis

[shy willow]

Decoy doesn't need mantis to be good

Even at T0 it'll still draw fire

[short nexus]

oh

[shy willow]

Can also run reviver hive for an extra life

[hexed steppe]

i usually run decoy/revive. can run a turret or drone to draw some fire as well. memento will buff them. its talent will give you 30% skill efficiency. its like putting 30% in all skill buckets (skill damage, haste, duration, repair, status effects, skill health), so whatever skill you use can take advantage of that. if also running a couple yellow cores, youll get more of the skill efficiency as you pick up trophy for short buff

[serene hare]

The fuck is this

Exposed ammo.

[shy willow]

It's the new perspex mag

[serene hare]

Man, I wish other full auto builds could compete with Striker.

[magic pilot]

They do

Nego and hunter's fury at least

I personally think hunter's fury is stronger than striker, it's just harder to use

[serene hare]

I still don't get how Nego build works

[shy willow]

You crit stuff which marks them, crit damage to a marked target transfers to all marked targets

[shy willow]

Muh HHF

[magic pilot]

Even crit HF is so strong

The disorient and up front debuff along with the stacking

[serene hare]

This build and fashion are pretty good, but Idk which skill I should pick.

I think I'll try the foam.

(Which is selected there)

[wise swallow]

Agor, only time I like striker more then HF is incursion and raid

its not far off striker dmg wise and AOK and AOE is very cool

[shy willow]

Crusader shield

Oh that's an rpk

[serene hare]

Yeah, with ARs, SMGs and Shotguns I actually use the Striker shield

Which is better.

For RPK I need something that has Crowd Control, I was thinking about Banshee, but the duration is too short.

I think I'll keep Foam for now, Idk.

[potent carbon]

Diamondback is good rifle or not?

[opal glade]

Its a gimmick thats fun to play and can dish out some damage but its mechanic makes it more of a solo thing. I like to play it sometimes for open world

[opal glade]

Lately i like to go with a Heartbreaker build with vigilance backpack 4r/2b
The bonus armor helps alot keeping vigilance up

[magic pilot]

Yea when you need the dmg striker is better but 99% of cases you don't

[shy willow]

It do be overkill sometimes

[serene hare]

Now I'm confused, if I do this Discovery mode, will I get the bosses drops again or it's something else?

Can I get the Regulus through this mode?

[shy willow]

Nope

Discovery doesn't have any of the raid loot

And it doesn't drop keys

[serene hare]

That's just on IH or DH too? Because I remember that people used to prioritize Discovery mode on DH in the past.

[shy willow]

Both

There's genuinely 0 reason to do discovery with the state it's in

[tulip charm]

I like discovery IH since I can learn how to headhunt in morozova

[shy willow]

Wh-

[ancient dune]

based actually 🧎‍♂️

[tulip charm]

It’s practically the same in normal

[shy willow]

Extremely rare discovery W

[rich lotus]

so for the healer build ik im missing the gloves and mask but what slot do i want a brand set on and which brand set do i want?

(also im aware i need a better backpack ;-;)

[onyx sage]

you want the backpack and gloves to NOT be future

you want BTSU gloves and an opportunistic backpack, ideally "The Setup" named Uzina backpack

[rich lotus]

i knew gloves but backpack ok

hmmm ill see if i have the backpack already but i probably dont ;-;

so uzina is the brand?

[onyx sage]

yes

Uzina Getica

[rich lotus]

kk

nvm i do have it just not with yellow pips ;-;

just missing gloves ;-;

[onyx sage]

it's good for blue striker dps hybrid in group

[rich lotus]

i dont understand what that means

boy i hate farming exotics ;-;

[hexed steppe]

if you do a couple heroic controlpoints you can get the blueprints for setup named bag and closer named chest from the big yellow cache. its far easier to craft the correct rolls rather than farming the bag. youll want correct attributes so it can be rolled skill core, its kindof a unicorn piece

[rich lotus]

does the difficulty mision affect my gear drops ?

[pastel shard]

i think it effects exotic drop rate idk what else

maybe its placebo but i seem to always get higher rolls on higher difficulties tho

[shy willow]

On average you get better loot the higher the difficulty

Challenging is what matters though because that and heroic remove purples from the loot pool

[hexed steppe]

In addition to above, the minimum possible roll for an attribute is determined by the difficulty.
You can get max rolls any difficulty tho

[gusty valve]

bonus armor keeps vigilance up? didnt know, does the shields help with this as well or no

[magic pilot]

Yes

[gusty valve]

nice, thx

[potent carbon]

What the best build tank for incursion or legendary?

[versed summit]

You shouldn't run a tank in Incursion, and you really don't need a tank for Legendary.

if you were going to run a tank this would probably be your best bet. Buffs the team, still does a bit of damage, and is fairly tanky.

[potent carbon]

Can i use ravenous for this build?

[versed summit]

eh not really. You'd need to ditch the shield and the BP talent if you were going to do that, and it's not really worthwhile over scorpio tbh.

[potent carbon]

Is ravenous only useful in raids?

[versed summit]

basically.

[potent carbon]

but this build doesn't have armor regen, is it really useful?

[versed summit]

It does, no minors, because they’re not worthwhile generally

[short nexus]

how do i absolutely max out the damage my sniper rifle deals per shot

[muted ridge]

Quick question; can Contractors Gloves roll with Skill Dmg, or shall I stop trying to farm them? cheers!

[versed summit]

Well there’s a lot of situational stuff you can do, but that’s not worthwhile. I’d just try and expertise your MMR and maybe use Achilles Pulse?

[versed summit]

Yes. Remember DTA only applies to certain skills though.

[short nexus]

do you think it would be worth doing that picarro's build i was looking into the other day to get a red build with some free yellow

or sohuld i stick with vigilance hotshot

[muted ridge]

Cheers, the farm continues...

[versed summit]

Vigilance Hotshot

[magic pilot]

3 hotshot, providence, chainkiller and fox

[hexed steppe]

Run a meta hotshot build. The one I showed yesterday hits 60m with nemesis and HH stacked

[hexed steppe]

No airaldi 😅 ?

[onyx sage]

it's easy to farm tbh

[magic pilot]

For first shot dmg no

[potent carbon]

Is it true tank builds are useless for PVE? except raids

[patent fossil]

Yup, pretty much

[versed summit]

no way to actually manage threat and aggro...

[potent carbon]

How about skill build turret? Is it still useful for PVE?

[versed summit]

It's useful, but not as effective as DPS builds.

[potent carbon]

Did you have that build?

[onyx sage]

which one

turret drone build or dps build

[onyx sage]

and yes

[versed summit]

I'd recommend the pinned spreadsheet.

[potent carbon]

Turret drone build

[onyx sage]

yeah it's in the pinned sheet

[hexed steppe]

This one give armor on kill while also being really strong.
Tech support and glass talent. Kinetic momentum on chest would work as well

• mods are pfe but builder preference I'd wanting haste.
  Aok comes from palisades knee, gunner spec, mop named shotgun.
  20-30% aok

[potent carbon]

Can I get capacitor from exotic cache?

[dreamy valve]

Did they fix that Capacitor third attribute for tinkering

[hexed steppe]

First unlock is in summit doing 5 challenges, very easy and guaranteed drop. After that available in exo caches

[hexed steppe]

Yes, I believe so

[magic pilot]

Second attribute and yes

[magic pilot]

Adding to this, it takes like 15 min to complete the challenges, just do it on the easiest difficulty required and power through it

[tulip charm]

Mortar build > All skill build

[gusty valve]

wdym by no minors? having trouble decoding that

[onyx sage]

a gear piece has major attributes and minor attributes. major is weapon damage/armor/skill tier, minor is below that

[gusty valve]

oh oh he meant as in the armor regen minor attribute

derp 👍

[versed summit]

yeah it's very low amounts compared to % armor regen, so unless there's no other relevant attributes to take, you're better off not taking them.

[gusty valve]

yep very fair, thx

[serene hare]

I thought I'd be able to watch that Keener's "death" cutscene again after doing the Liberty Island.

But instead, he decided to try the Merlin Manson mode and die.

[hazy steeple]

That once you complete the story stuff, (or "skip" in the case of pre-WONY) cutscenes are auto-skipped is exactly why we tell people to play them slowly at least once.
If you want to see that again, you'll have to create an alt.

[serene hare]

Why when enemies punch or hit me I lose a super chunk of armor and get staggered, but when I do it on them, they suffer a lot of nothing?

I never understood that.

[frail marlin]

Agreed. I love my mortar build

[versed summit]

The game just wants to discourage that style of play, for the most part anyways.

[serene hare]

Did they encouraged this at some period, to start with?

I've never seen this working.

[onyx sage]

it works in pvp if anything

but on pc you die to good aimers

in pve, it's never been encouraged even with items that increase melee damage

[serene hare]

I noticed, but damn, not even to stagger them for 2 seconds?

[onyx sage]

yeah they don't get staggered via melee

if anything your melee only works to interrupt their melee but it's inconsistent

there are other methods to stagger though, like emp sticky

[solar sable]

in pve we have Sweet Dreams, but nothing special

[short nexus]

wwhats g ate strat

[solar sable]

you don't wanna know

[serene hare]

Who's emp sticky?

[onyx sage]

emp sticky is a skill

sticky bomb, emp variant

[serene hare]

Oh, the Sticky Bomb

Man, I'm getting so unlucky with the Scorpio rolls that I'm getting sad.

[brisk barn]

Just play a global event, half of them include staggering during melee

[solar sable]

what does an oxi build look like?

spreadsheet on mobile is laggy asf

[lilac panther]

🕴️

looks like that

[brisk barn]

3 pc empress and yellow contractors gloves

You can run acostas for self overcharge or the computer one I forgot the name

And probably yellow foxes as well

You’d want glass cannon on the chest more often than not

And capacitor

[versed summit]

Tech support. Probably on a wyvern piece for this specific configuration.

[brisk barn]

Ye

[hexed steppe]

Oxi build?

Skill damage sacrifice would give more amp

But it would edge out acostas

So not best in all setups

[versed summit]

Last I saw I believe Wyvern gives an insignificant amount more damage.

[brisk barn]

I personally run with yellow sacrifice and 2 pc empress I have no clue what skill efficiency does

[versed summit]

Bruh

It’s just a combination of Skill stats, so skill haste, skill damage, skill health, Etc.

[brisk barn]

I am knowledgeable enough to know that it’s probably better but too lazy to actually get the last piece to run it

[versed summit]

In equal percents too

[brisk barn]

If it can do magic then idc

[hexed steppe]

Yeah 3pc empress or no pc empress 💯

Would be better with wyvern murakami

[brisk barn]

I did try to get the tech support backpack at some point and have it be my last empress piece but I just couldn’t be arsed halfway through

[hazy steeple]

I love how much that sounds like an anime protagonist's name.
or the next villain in DMC.

[hexed steppe]

They were rolling blue cores for a minute too so I can see that

[versed summit]

Whatdya mean?

[hexed steppe]

How's Rivens today?

[hexed steppe]

That whole sht show with perfect unstoppable bag rolling yellow, but the correction to blue core caused empress bags to roll blue core

Was broke for at least a month, maybe 2

[versed summit]

Oh yeah I got one of those yellow cored. Also got a proxy yellow cored too…

Sounds like a game of whack a mole

[serene hare]

Is AUG A3 one of the best SMG in the game?

Which are the ones that are good?

[onyx sage]

sacrifice with in sync gives more but if you can't proc in sync use normal gc

[versed summit]

That would make sense.

[versed summit]

Banshee w/Fast Hands or unwavering and MP7

[serene hare]

Only this one is good?

[hazy steeple]

There's loads of good SMG's, it more depends on what kind of build overall.

[versed summit]

Those are best. Aug is a good choice for flatline, for the 2 augs that can use it.

[serene hare]

Speaking on that, should I swap my Striker build to HF?

[onyx sage]

if you can kill fast yes, if you can't then no

[serene hare]

How do I measure this?
With stacked Striker build I kill fast, is this the factor?

[onyx sage]

you can't really predict with too many variables, it's best to test yourself

[versed summit]

No reason you can’t have both builds and switch for different circumstances or variety

[onyx sage]

your playstyle and mine can be completely different

[brisk barn]

Also a big experience thing with maintaining stacks, but that’s like every single good build

[onyx sage]

the general principle is HF is very good if you can kill fast

[serene hare]

Idk, it's super dumb easy to just ACS until stacked 100 strikers and just hold left button and see things die.

HF seems like it deals less damage.

[brisk barn]

Like HF needs you to chain kills for stacks but strikers just needs enemies to hit with

But if you’re feeling extra funny just play ninjabike backpack and make sure you tell everyone you are using it

[onyx sage]

i need to farm another ninjabike, but imagine if it was

[brisk barn]

But why are you running tech with 6 yellow cores

You can run one blue core

[onyx sage]

that's not the biggest problem with this build

[versed summit]

Legendary when?

[onyx sage]

i'll do DUA with it, post the run, and get cancelled

[versed summit]

You don’t have dtoc rolled?

[onyx sage]

i have 2 capacitors, the better one is on my main char

[brisk barn]

They are all rolled to HSD?

[onyx sage]

the point is to piss off anyone looking at this build and it's been pretty successful so far 🤣

[onyx sage]

nah crit

I'll post a new one with ninjabike when i get it

[brisk barn]

A true shame

[serene hare]

HF's backback and chest are actually useful or is as trash as Hotshot's?

[hexed steppe]

All improvised 😆

[serene hare]

The chest is actually good, 30 seconds is good.

[versed summit]

If you have to take one take the backpack, but generally you want to take a HE chest and backpack

[versed summit]

No

[serene hare]

No?

[onyx sage]

yeah, if i get ninjabike it's going to be the all godly ninjabike + 5p improv build i was meming about for some time

[versed summit]

Taking a HE chest will give you another damage source, and you’ll still get the HF stacks.

[serene hare]

Well, not taking any, then

because besides one situation or another where the enemies spawns from a door, they are never close to one another

[onyx sage]

that's why you use HF. it's the spawn camping set

[mortal vapor]

So i just dropped the backfire

is there any build thats good with it and any way to mitigate that bleed

[snow ingot]

stack hazard protection i think

[mortal vapor]

bc with my current build i get like 1.4m damage per hit with it with full stacks but that bleed is vicious

[hexed steppe]

You'll have to trade damage rolls for hazpro rolls/bleed resist mods.
It's a long ramp to max damage and it drops pretty quick.
Most likely it's a break even or less damage than a standard highend weapon after mitigating bleed

There is probably a backfire build in the pinned spreadsheet in this channel to point you in the right direction

[hazy steeple]

Aspect's one, aye.

even as one of the biggest fans of the gun, I will admit that the most fun thing with it is being immune to status and making the 2nd worst directive a cakewalk.

[serene hare]

Now thinking about it, Lady Death fits perfectly for HF build.

I'm just not so sure which shield I should be using.

[hexed steppe]

Firewall striker shield gives an amp

[serene hare]

Yeah, I'm using it.

It's perfect.

[hexed steppe]

Probably best option

Synergises well since always close

[serene hare]

But about the shotguns, ACS seems to deliver too little damage considering, M870 is kinda too slow (reload at least)

[hazy steeple]

Crusader if you want another spec tree.

[serene hare]

Should I use M870 or use something else?

My M870 is very good.

[onyx sage]

m870, six12, super 90

[hexed steppe]

Can, but it's better with headhunter.
When I used to run Hf it was high end smg and scorpio

[snow ingot]

not much value out of lady death with a shield cuz you wouldnt be building many stacks

imo, better value from a high end smg with a better talent

i liked the grudge (named cmmg banshee)

[onyx sage]

cmmg banshee with fast hands also very good

[serene hare]

I don't have any, the best I have is a Fast Hand Vector and a Strained AUG A3

[onyx sage]

try the aug

[serene hare]

Well, you can just walk stacked and, if you don't kill with the magazine, swap to the shotgun

[hexed steppe]

It's been a long time since I ran a dps Hf tho. Used the apartment for a long time 😂

[serene hare]

But still, other SMGs are stronger.

[snow ingot]

true, but now you have used everthing to get one kill

[serene hare]

Man, it sucks for that SMG with perfect Strained, it can't be fully stacked because the ammo capacity is too low or/and the fire rate is too fast

[hazy steeple]

Also the gun itself sucks.
(cold relations, for the record)

[serene hare]

I tried to make it good somehow, and yeah, didn't worked.

SM-9 seems like a good weapon compared to most others

[onyx sage]

it is pretty good too

[serene hare]

I could optimize it to get the 10% DTTOOC

[onyx sage]

huh, strained is "no limite" here. interesting

[serene hare]

I kinda like that UMP-45, but the fire rate is too slow, it hurts the flow.

[magic pilot]

Flatline on it

[serene hare]

Besides the "no" writing the same "no" of you guys, it means "in/on" in portuguese

It would be "on the limit"

[onyx sage]

yeah no i was thinking it was pretty funny

[mortal vapor]

Anyone know any good ways to drop st elmos

Ive never dropped it b4

[serene hare]

CD

[hexed steppe]

Target farm ar

[snow ingot]

i dropped 2 tickle me elmos before i got pyromaniac

[serene hare]

I think this Vector I have really do some impressive DPS

with "fast hands" for a weapon with 1,8 secs reload speed is super trash imo

If only it was strained...

Wait a moment, it would still be bad

It wouldn't stack properly.

[hexed steppe]

Make it strained

[serene hare]

U sure? It only has 45 ammo with the mod and the fire rate of 1200

[hexed steppe]

Yeah. Better damage than optimist on an all red

[onyx sage]

it's still good. you don't have to stack strained fully for it to be better

[hexed steppe]

Dttooc chatterbox probably an ok option

[serene hare]

I have one, and getting into crowds with it is pretty good because the reload speed is unexistant

The damage tho isn't super impressive against some tanky targets

Not like I can't switch to my M870 tho

[devout agate]

Is it possible to make a ouro armor regen build for dz and conflict or would it be bad?

[versed summit]

It’s possible. I’ll see if I can find one for ya

[devout agate]

Thanks

[serene hare]

Well... shit.

[versed summit]

This is a way to do it

I think it’s fine for DZ but I’m not sure it’s the play for Conflict tho tbh

[devout agate]

What can I replace the knees for?

[versed summit]

Belstone

It’s actually better here

[devout agate]

Does hasburg work?

[versed summit]

No. It’s not a headshot build

[devout agate]

Oh yeah

Mb I’ve been using headshot builds lately lol

[devout agate]

What’s the chest and gloves

What brand?

[versed summit]

Golan

[devout agate]

So you have armor regen and what else

Crit dmg or chance

[versed summit]

Looks like the chest is hunter-killer too, but that’s not necessary.

[versed summit]

Build for about a 1:2 ratio of chc/chd

[devout agate]

Alright

Can you show me the stats

[versed summit]

Sadly no

[devout agate]

Could I use catharsis instead or no

[versed summit]

Yeah probably, just keep 3pc Gila somewhere

[devout agate]

What about golan

3 pc gila 2 golan and catharsis?

[versed summit]

Yeah

[devout agate]

Alr I’ll farm for it in a bit

[devout agate]

Would the build be better than a bighorn regen build for pvp

[versed summit]

That I do not know.

[gentle lichen]

Crit regen generally has low damage

You have to work on 2 stats to make it viable
On the other hand a headshot only needs 1 attribute that you can throw on alongside the regen

If you're good with headshots a bighorn headshot will easily outmatch the crit regen

[serene hare]

Weird, this Blue Screen BP isn't dropping from that mission in Jefferson trade center

Things only happens to me in this game, the last echo from president Ellis betraying us being impossible to unlock (same for that case in that place) and now this.

[magic pilot]

I think he's asked about regen builds 1000 times

[pastel shard]

the manhunt?

and I dont think it lets u craft one, i think it jus adds it to ur lootpool

[serene hare]

Yes, the prize is a Blue Screen bp

[pastel shard]

ubibroke then

I never got given the bp I was able to get it from drops tho after

[mighty flame]

are there any aegis builds out?

[pastel shard]

💀

[wise swallow]

see

I told you he would just keep asking

tell him to use everyday carrier and watch him ask what efficient does again

[serene hare]

The talent isn't really great, but damn, those stats are so good

[hazy steeple]

I love that Killer is just "Homicide".

[serene hare]

Actually it's "Homicidal" ☝️ 🤓

Which is the same as killer

[hazy steeple]

Well sorta.

[serene hare]

Homicidal is someone who commits homicide and killer is someone who kills

[hazy steeple]

Well sorta.

[serene hare]

The thing is that "Matador" (which is the direct translate of "killer") can mean multiple things

and "matador" already if the talent for backpacks.

[hazy steeple]

I mean all this aside, a bad Talent on an item when you've already changed the 3rd attribute pretty much means you're going to be junking the item.

Killer is not exactly meta for AR's, although not the worst option.

[serene hare]

Elmo's talent isn't super great either (although is stronger than killer imo)

Would I prefer it has Strained? Absofuckinglutely.

But or I keep Killer and put DTTOOC or change the talent and keep 3% weapon switch

Or whatever it was before.

[hazy steeple]

Elmo is great because of the ridiculously high mod stats.
You don't need only just strained, fast hands/optimist also works, and even something like On Empty can work, although with that I do recommend the Named Version instead.

The best thing to do with guns as you're farming them out, is to farm until you have one with innate dtooc, then alter the Talent as you like.

[serene hare]

F2000 have 2 named

Shield breaker (or whatever the f is called) and other one

which one are you saying?

[hazy steeple]

On Empty's named is a famas named burn out.

f2000 only has 1 named. (yeah the Hunter cache one)

[serene hare]

I never got another one

Is it possible to get another by looting?

[hazy steeple]

Which gun are you talking about?

If Shield Splinterer, then Cassie sells copies whenever her store is open. Same as the NYC Hunter Cache item "Hunter Killer".

[serene hare]

Just a moment, I confused the named CTAR with F2000

Yeah, the shield spliterer

I never got one besides the one after killing the hunters

[serene hare]

Wait, who's Cassie?

[steep flint]

i still cant find the way to get to cassie. does anyone have a guide or something that lays it out?

[hazy steeple]

Cassie is the Gunrunner Vendor, she (and the Textiles Vendor Danny) appears on the map once you find the snitch.

there's a guide somewhere, but division2map.com has all possible spawn locaitons.

[zealous pelican]

whats the fastest/most consistent XP grind for pushing to watch lvl 1000? at 262 currentl

[hazy steeple]

LZ (Open World) on Challenging or Heroic, as many Directives as you can handle whilst staying fast, then just do Activities and Control Points/Bounties.
"call for backup" (+recall) whenever you need more hands in.

[magic pilot]

Conflict is also very fast, dz landmarks too

[wise swallow]

im inclined to say conflict is pretty damn good for Xp grinding

does require a decent build to not dispise it tho

good if you get bored of PVE stuff

[serene hare]

Not really optimal but it will do for now.

[steep flint]

so im trying to get another shield splinterer but i just dont get what the deal is with the snitch and stuff. do i just load in and out checking a couple spots or is he in the sam espot for everyone? i just dont understand

[hazy steeple]

Random for everyone, only is able to be spoken to after you interact with them, you don't have to finish the Bounty they give.

[steep flint]

im seeing people say they spawn in common spots, is the idea just to keep logging until theyre there

[hazy steeple]

One of the more popular methods is to fast travel to space admin, turn directly around and walk forward until you see the ? mark show up.

can take quite a few goes though.

[serene hare]

Ok, my F2000 is stronger than my Shield Spliterer

Lame, what a waste of money.

I'll have to wait until that shit timer to reset.

Praying for Cassie to give a better roll on that weapon.

[jagged hare]

If I’m using St. Elmo’s in a build - it comes with 20% CHD and CHC. Does that factor towards the cap? I.E., is my effective cap 40 and I’m better switching to CHD? Or are those bonuses excluded?

[versed summit]

Well if you look at your weapon stats page it’ll show you’re where all your weapons land on CHC/CHD.

[jagged hare]

Ok, I wasn’t sure if the stats page included the weapon attachments or whether they didn’t factor until in game

[serene hare]

How did I got those 2 at the same time in 1 CD?

[shy willow]

If you run blues shield splint will beat it

[serene hare]

But I only like rock and game music

[shy willow]

😭

[steep flint]

@hazy steeple so for these traders, to find the snitch should i be logging out and in or fast travelling to ny?

[shy willow]

Log in and out

[steep flint]

do you think space admin is the best place to do it?

[sullen sun]

Why are bump builds and mortars a thing..

[potent carbon]

Did anyone have try build Diamondback dilemma?

[tulip charm]

Meh

[steep flint]

can i find the snitch anytime or am i looking for no reason lol

[tulip charm]

Diamondback is inconsistent

[tulip charm]

#ask-td2-community message

[serene hare]

Got 1shoted by a Regulus

[tulip charm]

Happens

[serene hare]

And I lost some DZ coins and a Pestilence engagins in a rogue in a helo because I thought he was the one invading someone extracting.

🤡

Well, at least 1 killed someone who tried to engage me full stack after finishing a landmark, it was funny.

I mean, it's impossible for a RPG looter shooter to have a balanced PvP, I don't even get mad with it at all.

The thing it how much stupid I was losing my stuffs on that.

[steep flint]

im not getting any reply there, i figured as this is about getting a gun for my build it was close enough to post here lol

[gentle lichen]

Nuh uh you can look for him anytime

The spot i usually find him in is the one behind american history museum when you fast travel to it

[shy willow]

Why not just farm countdown what do you need the snitch for a gun for

[steep flint]

so if i log in and out at the space admin mission and go to the elevators hell eventually be there?

[steep flint]

i need a new splinterer

[gentle lichen]

I have no idea about his other spots

But there is an image of that iirc

[shy willow]

You walk directly behind where you spawn in

Tidal basin also works

I also check the federal triangle DZ checkpoint

[serene hare]

But seriously now, who the hell is blues?

[shy willow]

I forget the name

[shy willow]

Blues as in blue cores

[steep flint]

omg thank you so much, ive been relogging at space admin for 2 and a half hours... finally found him in potomac first try lol

[serene hare]

My inventory and my cache is basically full, I'm getting worried.

Do someone here have a ability build and a capacitor build to copy so I can discard all the useless stuffs?

If only this weapon could have 60 bullets...

[wise patio]

Delete unnecessary duplicates,brands

Make a new character and store necessary items in the new character inventory

[serene hare]

I got some space already.

[wise patio]

You can transfer items between characters

Check pins for build

[serene hare]

Tomorrow I'll focus in literally only doing Kelso's manhunt to get that last comm shit that is missing.

Which I have no idea if it's there.

Some dudes are saying that, even reseting, the last thing is not avaliable.

[grand swan]

anyone know if explosive delivery works with seeker mines? Can confirm that it does

[onyx sage]

i actually need help farming for ninjabike

[shy willow]

Something ain't right

[strong cave]

Oh it can lol, ninjabike, 3 PC strikers, picaro's holster, brazos chest piece with obliterate

You could also go for true Patriot if you're into an even higher mag size, but that's optional. If you don't mind a slightly slower fire rate, go with the MP5-N and slap the 20+ round extended mag and you'll get more damage and more mag size

[serene hare]

I meant to mod it like the normal MP7, but good to know.

It's funny how ACS have 2 mods, but Ledty have 3.

Same thing but the opposite goes here, MP7 have 3 mods, but the named one have only 2.

Man, that Banshee SMG is busted, the DPS is absurd.

[onyx sage]

banshee is so strong

[strong cave]

I agree, it would be cool to be able to add on an extended mag to get more rounds off an MP7 but I can understand why not from a balancing standpoint

[barren minnow]

I have 61 rounds in my capacitor

With my striker build

[strong cave]

Mind if I recommend a weird combat medic build for PvE/PvP?

6 skill tiers, 3 blues, 2 reds

~ 1.3m armor

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwBgtAjBnuHGWjlNSgXAVkyykEQDMaSCJi6EOEa8YAHOUxgCwy7OcUsBsYLccGQ4imlQuyGjpJdMX4xoOYH0J8A7H1kQAnEv71IhAoTZEJRHLOAsL1EPoiGe0HcNToWlHWGA-TYISG1mwsoVqiQA

^ lady death can be swapped for capacitor and the AR can be swapped for an SMG with flatline so long as you can put the linked laser on it

[wanton hornet]

I got my 26th on an alt, but have not reset my main yet.

[versed summit]

From the pinned spreadsheet:

Applies to Remote Pulse, All Turrets, All Hives, Explosive Seeker, Cluster Seeker, Mender Seeker, Decoy, All Traps.

[gentle lichen]

If you wanna use this for pvp use murakami chest with emphatic resolve

Unsure about how good the heals though on your build
I personally use a 4pc future with bag and 2 brazos emphatic with survivalist. Allows 2 blues to be used and gives insane amounts of healing as well as fire grenade

[stiff jasper]

It's brainless
Basically you are wasting some brand and attributes , dealing a little bit pathetic damage, to pretend you doing more stuff than normal healer, which it is unnecessary

Just like using vile mask on pure cc build

[serene hare]

A weapon with that fire rate, ammo and stability should not have that damage display.

I mean, I think there is competition between some SMGs, but nothing compared to that.

[quiet quarry]

hey guys, i want to make a healer/tank build can someone link me top tier one? wanna grind for something new

[patent fossil]

Never going to be top tier (tanks are pretty much useless outside raids) but I guess blue FI with dr home would be less terrible than most

[magic pilot]

They changed that

[patent fossil]

Changed how? I get they fixed the 'every headshot gives armor' bug, but you can still mark enemies for teammates to kill and get armor, no? Or does the armor amount no longer scale with the Dr Home user's armor value?

[magic pilot]

Second part lol

It's just 10% of each agents individual armor again

Doctor home is probably still the best rifle for team play though

[patent fossil]

ah that sucks

[magic pilot]

Woulda worked great on my 2.5m armor tank lol

[strong cave]

I can give more buffs using future initiative chest since I'll almost always be at full armor anyways. And @stiff jasper if my healer build is brainless explain how I can easily run this in DZ and conflict and simply not let any of my teammates die while also being able to do some damage 🤷

[onyx sage]

the buff works if your teammates are full armor, not you

[strong cave]

Wait what

[onyx sage]

i'm glad you found out now than never

[strong cave]

I need to check this to make sure

[onyx sage]

feel free

[magic pilot]

Best ninja healer btw

[strong cave]

Alright fair enough, i still like the buff for futures chest but yes empathic resolve does work. I usually heal for a solid amount and keep everyone full armor so we all benefit from it which works out in the end

[onyx sage]

i can hear souless puking in his mouth for some reason

[strong cave]

? Tf that mean LMAO

[magic pilot]

He hates ninja

[onyx sage]

no no i'm just imagining him looking and doing that as a joke

[magic pilot]

Also if you are using ninja, there's literally no reason to not run empathetic, it gives more dmg and easier to keep active

[flint wave]

always read the description

smh

[strong cave]

To me the description wasn't specific enough. It grants you and your team buff damage at full armor so I think well I'm usually full armor anyways so doesn't it buff the team?

[magic pilot]

Also I tested this before project resolve and capacitor is stronger than LD on that build

[strong cave]

That I do know for sure is true, I myself tested too

[magic pilot]

I would definitely swap in empathic that extra dmg is noticeable

[strong cave]

I could easily farm for it, just needs to be a murkami chest and I'm all set

Why foundry knees?

[magic pilot]

Basically a free armor core

1.3-1.5m armor depending on if you use pistol or not

Stops you from getting one shot by pistol and shotgun builds

[strong cave]

AH ye I forgot foundry gives extra armor for 2 PC

[magic pilot]

10%

test build

[strong cave]

I'll toy around with empathic, I do like having the future chest for the buffs it gives but if empath gives more ill use that for Conflict

[magic pilot]

was messing around with this

[urban latch]

You'd need a friend to test, one with FI and one without, but it's definitely "whoever is at full health receives the damage buff", does not matter what the health if the healer is at

That said the FI chest is definitely better than empathic, but the biggest reason is running empathic means giving up either btsu gloves or opportunistic, which in pve at least is absolutely not worth it

Same logic with any ninja healer build

[magic pilot]

exactly, so if you already cant run btsu might as well have a better chest

[onyx sage]

yeah i think this is just solely for pvp

[strong cave]

Yeah I usually use BTSU and opportunistic for my PVE healer. My NB one is my PvP/PvE hybrid healer

I'll do testing today to see which I like better

[magic pilot]

pvp theory

[strong cave]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwZgtMAMbdwEwybZqWQFwFYuuBRUdVRY2DeAFgjnzkXnDLTQ2qhea+TYDYxKcaKU6j0GUDSQjusjCGjtI+XPH4h+Adn5kJAThUCAHBBCEQ7EOFC5dVa7iiHgJ3viMndlfWHh6wFgGerFQC1JQ6nEA

How's this look?

[magic pilot]

good if you want picaros

[strong cave]

I do yes, and yeah I can see that the future chest gives a tiny bit more buff than empathic does

But at the cost of needing to be full armor

[magic pilot]

no you dont

[wise swallow]

what in the lobotomy is that build

[magic pilot]

empathetic you just need to have someone get hit by a heal

to get the buff

[magic pilot]

palisade meta

[wise swallow]

does it actually work as a hybrid

[versed summit]

well for the amount buff Empathic is more, ther buff for you is less, but you're not doing that much anways tbh. I'd say it's more of a consistency thing.

[strong cave]

One thing I am confused by is the "effectiveness increases by skill tier"... So do you get the 15% boost if you're skill tier 6? Or does it multiply 6x by 15%?

Probably the 6 tiers for the 15% I'm guessing

[magic pilot]

its a range

you get a fixed amount per skill tier

[strong cave]

AH so 15% if you have tier 6, lessens the less tiers you have

[magic pilot]

you get 1-7% for yourself

1% per tier

3-15 for your team

[strong cave]

I like my idea and the empathic idea, I do love future chest's buff but it has its caveats. Empathic, rip the future buff for me and my teammates when at full but to keep them buffed all I gotta do is heal them

Thanks to all of you, I greatly appreciate the advice and guidance

[magic pilot]

they still get the future buff

its just not as strong

[versed summit]

all I can really say is I wouldn't run that for PvE still tbh

[strong cave]

Ye that's the sad caveat when they lose some armor - damage buff gone

[magic pilot]

15% from future 15% from empathetic, whereas the old build you had was just 25% from future chest

[strong cave]

Unfortunately due to poor descriptions, I confused it with ME needing to be full

[tulip charm]

I hope that FI build is for pvp mostly

[magic pilot]

yes lol

[strong cave]

Yes

[tulip charm]

Thank god

[magic pilot]

yea its a very common mixup

i need to theory craft a cav build for pvp still

i think ik what its gonna be

[strong cave]

Damn right you are. I'm glad to know it was a simple mistake lol

[onyx sage]

welcome to division school

[tulip charm]

now that I think about it what even is a good backpack for pvp healers

[magic pilot]

sadly empathetic doesnt really get used much outside of niche uses in pve, because you lose btsu or opp

[onyx sage]

we will give you good advice for completely free

[magic pilot]

safeguard is really it

[strong cave]

Usually the go to is Ninja for free weapon/armor/skill from what I've seen and they pair it with picaro's for free armor and weapon and skill tier from bonus. Also safeguard works really well

[tulip charm]

Thats the only one? :/

[magic pilot]

im not sure how energize works in pvp, could be good. also future backpack is common

[tulip charm]

fair

[magic pilot]

ill send a non ninja one rq

[strong cave]

I've only touched it once and stopped using it bc most the time I keep my team at full armor anyways. That and the future chest is just so much easier to get than a specific Murakami chest

[magic pilot]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwZgtMAMbdwEwybZqWQFzAKwXRRAdgE40z9NtcoJgxEF7wLzkMAWPVlnmDgDi7A6iXmL6gu0Ud1mYQ0TlDq54ANjAgNhDRSzEVYdoNAMQSkOFC498dleqRDwQWrr9Be9vvqlzmzzQMOyNOdl1yIA

[strong cave]

But, 30% is 30%. It'll always be greater than 25%

[magic pilot]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwZgtMAMbdwEwybZqWQFzAKwXRRAdgE40z9MAWUqCYMRBO3C85LOvVbe1vmLJS7RE-MQNDCGbcbAwhoQqPVzwAbGBAbCGilmIqwlABwQQjEEpDhQLNBniUbuZWBem19Y6b2V9DUktNH3tHIyFKXXIgA

[versed summit]

not if it's not always active

[magic pilot]

survivalist on that second one i forgot it

[tulip charm]

tbh I feel like empathetic is better for pvp just simply due to the uptime.

[magic pilot]

honestly though cav is so much better than non ninja healers in pvp

[magic pilot]

its basically always active

[tulip charm]

yeah

[strong cave]

Yup I learned the hard way due to poor description on FI thinking only i have to be full armor for my team to get the 25 I have

[onyx sage]

wait till you find out striker doesn't actually give total weapon damage

[magic pilot]

cav 90% hazpro for conflict

[strong cave]

I'll probably run the future chest clearing landmarks with people and then use empathic for conflict/manhunt

[onyx sage]

other way around, [] first then ()

[magic pilot]

always mess it up

[strong cave]

Strikers is so boring tho 😭

[onyx sage]

i know, i just mean description is hit and miss

[strong cave]

If you want weapon damage just go for an all red spotter build

[wise swallow]

thats the build i use

[onyx sage]

for pvp maybe

[wise swallow]

theres an explo res one too

[potent carbon]

hey wanna ask, in spredsheet skill build turret can i use sniper turret or artilery turret?

[tawdry flare]

@onyx sage wanna see magic

[magic pilot]

honestly one of the best builds for 4 stack

[onyx sage]

you can use sniper turret, but artillery turret needs a completely different build

[onyx sage]

?

[wise swallow]

yea being immune for 10 seconds with a 5s downtime with tardi and surv is pretty good

[tawdry flare]

Your pfp in screenshot

[potent carbon]

can i use with talent combined arms?

[onyx sage]

lol

[tawdry flare]

Ofc

[onyx sage]

yes, just same as in sheet

[potent carbon]

okay

[magic pilot]

my last exotic to unlock besides EB is chatterbox lmao

[onyx sage]

i'm going to drop you chatterbox if we group again

[magic pilot]

im going to get it rn

i need to do tidal today @onyx sage

[gentle lichen]

Also if your healer doesn't have an exotic in use you can hotswap to btsu to reset your team's skills

[onyx sage]

when are you free?

[magic pilot]

all day

[onyx sage]

i'll be back in 3 hours then, after i have lunch

[magic pilot]

ok

[onyx sage]

we can duo it

[tawdry flare]

Dien carry service

[hazy steeple]

You should carry on over to #lfg-pc

[onyx sage]

all i ask is if you get ninjabike backpack then i need it

[versed summit]

room for 1 more?

[onyx sage]

sure

[hazy steeple]

Lose a bet?

[onyx sage]

no, i'm making a cursed build

the memento is a placeholder

[hazy steeple]

What's the point on Ninja in there?

[onyx sage]

absolutely nothing

[flint wave]

most powerful heroic countdown build

[onyx sage]

there are no brands for it to buff

it's intended to be a joke

[flint wave]

least unhinged legendary matchmaking build

[gentle lichen]

Meta is in the making

[versed summit]

at least there's a build philosophy here

[flint wave]

why theorize the best builds In the game when you can theorize the worst

[gentle lichen]

What build does the least amount of dps?

[onyx sage]

gray gear

[hazy steeple]

It's not even the worst build, it just doesn't make sense.

it's like wearing all Lvl 1 gear and saying "isn't this wacky"

[versed summit]

it makes sense, it has literally zero synergy.

[gentle lichen]

It's actually funny seeing improvised chest and mask

[hazy steeple]

So does 6 pieces of 5.11

[onyx sage]

6p 5.11 is stronger than this

[versed summit]

that's harder to farm

[onyx sage]

the idea isn't to make it stronger, it's to make ninjabike not work at all

[magic pilot]

I got you

[onyx sage]

again, it's intended to be a joke

[hazy steeple]

I make NBB not work at all every time I leave it in my stash.

[hazy steeple]

It's excellent at propping up a coffee table.

[magic pilot]

Least effective tactics available

Leta

[hazy steeple]

Would it be though?

[magic pilot]

Absolutely

[hazy steeple]

Improvised at least gives you something you can use in mod slots and attributes.

[onyx sage]

not by much, but you get health

[magic pilot]

Gains a bp talent vigi

[flint wave]

3 brandset bonuses vs 3 mod slots

Hardest choice ever

[magic pilot]

And bp talent

[versed summit]

hazpro too

[onyx sage]

i went through wony again to get scavenging mats just to make this build. it's a high effort meme

[onyx sage]

nice

[magic pilot]

1 more weapon to go, i need to check gear. i know i dont have BK yet

[strong cave]

I usually run that for my PVE healer

[gentle lichen]

It's just a hotswap to get buff and then replace with the glove you already had on build
For pve it's pretty much the best glove you could run for healer

[magic pilot]

yep thats it, somehow BK will probably be my last exotic

[tulip charm]

xd

[strong cave]

Likely regulus for me

[magic pilot]

nemesis before BK is crazy, Ouro was my 2nd exotic gun lmao

[strong cave]

I'm certain I'll get ravenous before I get regulus

[magic pilot]

rav is fun. could be crazy with the new gearset

[versed summit]

EB was my last, but Scorpio was my second to last

[magic pilot]

wow thats unlucky

[hazy steeple]

Wait, last as in since or last as in in order?

[versed summit]

yeah...

[gentle lichen]

Imperial dynasty was the last exotic for me

[strong cave]

The hardest to get exotic for me was Eagle Bearer

[flint wave]

chameleon was my first exo

[hazy steeple]

because new Exotics drop each Season, so you'll never have a last.

[flint wave]

Ninjabike knees was my second

[versed summit]

as in order I think.

[magic pilot]

last as in dont have it yet out of whats out rn

[hazy steeple]

I think for 99% of people it's going to be Regulus or Vindicator.

[magic pilot]

season ones dont count if you are active

[versed summit]

ah crap forgot about vindicator. would rather gamble with BPs tho tbh

[magic pilot]

i bought one just cause

[magic pilot]

its literally the only time i gamble and i hate it

[flint wave]

Ur always gambling when u play tom clancy division 2

[versed summit]

maybe after I get The Gift BP or something

[magic pilot]

i got it 💀

shd 400

[flint wave]

I have liquid engineer

[gentle lichen]

99% of gamblers quit right before they hit the big one

[flint wave]

Which I was proud of
then palisade came out

[versed summit]

exactly, can't stop yet

[magic pilot]

lmao

i have so much yaahl gear from conflict

[gentle lichen]

Everytime i look at the vindicator i remember that picture where 2 people are digging and one gives up right before the diamond

[onyx sage]

lmao

[magic pilot]

i have 30+ mats and god knows how many pieces in the stash

[magic pilot]

so true

@gentle lichen

[gentle lichen]

Seething

[magic pilot]

pulled that at shd like 60 lol

[limpid pelican]

mehhh intimidate on smg mid without healer

even then, 2 red core

[magic pilot]

nah its so strong now

if only i had the god matador

[limpid pelican]

i know. but with 6 blues and how it works out without a healer its kinda ehhh

u lose that damage in a heartbeat

[onyx sage]

it stacks back up again real fast

just 3 seconds now

[limpid pelican]

not in pvp when ur getting ouroborused

[onyx sage]

yeye i know

[limpid pelican]

then u die with no unbreakable or healer

js what you see atm is intimidate red sokolov

[gentle lichen]

Intimidate thrives on cqb like dz south
In an open field intimidate is definitely not your choice unless you're tank regulus but that's another build

[limpid pelican]

1 person wearing coyotes and using a healer

2 red 4 blue intimidate

thats where that build shines

[hazy steeple]

Which Coyotes buff do you need?

Because most healers are going to be at a distance.

[magic pilot]

seperate builds i think

[limpid pelican]

most likely close range since healer fights

[limpid pelican]

nah most healers in pvp are going to be right on top of u

meta heal build is seeker mine chem

[hazy steeple]

Oh PvP, carry on.

[gentle lichen]

You let healer shoot someone close initially and then then keep the buff without shooting anyone else

[cyan drift]

Here's a fun (completely useless/pointless) div2 build shower thought. What's the best build you could make with less pieces than 6? Like, the best build with just 1 piece, then 2, then 3, etc?

[magic pilot]

1 pc providence

[limpid pelican]

healer uses chill out 1 of ur smg players uses coyotes

[magic pilot]

Healer coyotes is actually pretty strong because then they hold kard and don't shoot

[gentle lichen]

There are so many healer variations I wasn't surprised when i thought you meant a coyote healer

[cyan drift]

that was my thought, the gift would be more or less the best singular piece

[magic pilot]

Free 25% chc

[magic pilot]

PGC, always active and more dmg

[cyan drift]

yeah but glass cannon with that little armor is real sharp

[magic pilot]

eh feels the same as normal lol

[urban latch]

https://youtu.be/3T_Wt4f3s9A?si=lxM3GC8s1hJY9EFb

[limpid pelican]

hmm thats interesting. i dont think ive seen a single group use that but it definitely makes sense

[magic pilot]

it was an old raid strat

[cyan drift]

true, as long as they hit the i-frames

2 pieces, 2x brazos skill build?

4 skill tiers with technician spec, and a damage core, with no guns, is tough to beat

[onyx sage]

i saw that yeah

[magic pilot]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IzC0CZQZg2AZQKYly0C4AsDI0pATgA5VS0z1wdpZJz6zEsxhMa7GH6sA2UbdpyHdwbYDDzCpSSiigB2UKxisArEsxjMfbl2mVMK9cDhhjJHmCIlumdMAIRHUNlBsVR-NtuFA

@limpid pelican hits crit cap with long buff

183 chd with picaros, fox and contractors too

[cyan drift]

iirc you can find grey things up to level 35 or so, very rarely