td2-build-advice

[magic pilot]

You wanna run 6 blue striker?

[wise swallow]

5 with coyote

[magic pilot]

Ahh

Pvp?

[hazy steeple]

It is Odder.

[magic pilot]

@surreal depot

[solar sable]

I enjoy watching Chameleons getting decon

[tawdry sequoia]

Did they nerf something? My eagle bearer build used to be at 50/110 ish crit, and now im at 45/99

[dull ermine]

Probs deconstructed a mod or piece with mod

[tawdry sequoia]

no def not lol

all my pieces are max rolls

[dull ermine]

You have 1 favorited

Delete it please

@normal cypress Ur db nd build do u run Pgc or grupo gc?

[magic pilot]

That's the one I keep incase chameleon gets buffed

[dull ermine]

It won’t

[solar sable]

excuses.

[dull ermine]

Delete

[magic pilot]

I always have 1 of everything

[dull ermine]

You’re holding onto it because you like it

Admit it

[magic pilot]

Nope

Never will

[dull ermine]

You just did 😏

[magic pilot]

I'm about to get on and deconstruct it🤣

Actually I need to get it proficient first

[onyx sage]

just hold it in hand and ask devcat to regulus everything

ez proficient

[dull ermine]

Fastest way was actually countdown for me

[magic pilot]

Based on kill xp so that makes sense

You just need enemy dense areas

[dull ermine]

Yea trying to use it normally in open world was just too annoying

You get about 75% of a level in 15 mins of countdown

Takes almost 3 times that amount of time outside

[magic pilot]

Gotta run bountys

[dull ermine]

I do most of the time as they’re the most fun activity for me

[magic pilot]

Get those chameleons up

[dull ermine]

Funny enough the bounty targets are using shd tech which is annoying af

[solar sable]

So far I've made Hotshot, Striker, Skill, Skill with CHD and HF for my Scorpio. Should I do another build and if yes, which one should I hunt?

[dull ermine]

Idk why

[magic pilot]

Foam or Fi

[tawdry flare]

5.11 for meme

[ancient dune]

HHF :3

[surreal depot]

"chameleon deconstructer"

So many frauds

[tawdry flare]

5.11 with chameleon best build

[magic pilot]

It may be terrible now but devs are random

You never know what the hell is going through their minds

[solar sable]

where in the spreadsheet is foam located?

[magic pilot]

Eclipse CC I think

It's under eclipse there is fire and foam build

[dull ermine]

You mean like nerfing tips into the ground

[magic pilot]

Exactly

Check this out

Almost 20%

[dull ermine]

Is that good

[magic pilot]

Average is like 10-14

Dien is at 14%

[acoustic coral]

I've been thinking about checking mine, but 😳

[magic pilot]

What's your ign

[dull ermine]

What about the homie god emperor doom

[magic pilot]

I'm pretty sure he's banned lol

[dull ermine]

Rip

[acoustic coral]

CmdRudolph

[magic pilot]

He's at 1%

[dull ermine]

Dooms still in the server it looks like

[shy willow]

How do you even check allat

[magic pilot]

I meant in game but yes

[magic pilot]

11%

[dull ermine]

Is it possible to check that stat on ps

[magic pilot]

It's a bot

[shy willow]

Ohhh

[magic pilot]

Won't show headshot rate

[shy willow]

Whereabouts

[magic pilot]

I can Link you the discord, I use it privately in my clan discord

[shy willow]

Ohh

[gentle lichen]

8% and proud 🥹

[dull ermine]

I usually use the stats at the end of a run and look at headshot kills + headshots and compare them with other players in the group… I personally like to see how much armor plating and weak points someone destroys

[magic pilot]

How did you see your headshot rate?

[gentle lichen]

Isac beta tracker

[dull ermine]

How’s that work

[magic pilot]

Ah let me try that for arrow

[acoustic coral]

Guess it ain't too bad.
How does it count determined? HS I guess?

[magic pilot]

Yea I think so

What's your psn @dull ermine

[dull ermine]

Is that website accurate

[magic pilot]

No idea what's your psn lol

[dull ermine]

SpadedArrow

[magic pilot]

Considering it says you have 0 turret kills im gonna say it's not accurate

7%

I have 4x your headshot to body shot ratio

[dull ermine]

Do you use hotshot

And or regulus headhunter

[magic pilot]

Not on pc no

My ps stats are let's just say not accurate

[dull ermine]

I love how according to this website I have most of my kills as black tusk but i despise fighting them 😂

[magic pilot]

Black tusks is your least killed

[dull ermine]

Nah I mostly played invaded missions and black tusk bounties so it makes sense

I just cannot be arsed with special ammo and being grenade and drone spammed when playing solo

[magic pilot]

Out of True sons, outcast hyenas and black tusks they are last

[dull ermine]

Any chance you could dm me whatever stats you’ve found?

[magic pilot]

Sure

[tawdry flare]

Let me see mine

Not a trace left

[magic pilot]

What's your ign

[tawdry flare]

Nerfking6950

[tawdry flare]

I saw RoterBlitz. And it was too much for me

[magic pilot]

6%

[tawdry flare]

Ik mine

[tawdry flare]

Wut about this guy "RoterBlitz."

[magic pilot]

1%

He did a lot of oxy farm that's why

He's gotten the crit abuser tag which is nuts

And headshot master

[tawdry flare]

I meant even I did that farm for anderson

[tawdry flare]

DM me

[sullen sun]

Any ETA on server?

[shy willow]

#server-status

[sullen sun]

How would you guys fix this? (PvP build)

[gentle lichen]

Foxes' and contractor's then use either grupo or soko bag with wicked

Golan is wasted imo

[night yarrow]

fellas, why is the grunge so shit compared to base banshee?

[night yarrow]

what armor is that and how do I obtain it?

[sullen sun]

Ridgeways Pride, it’s an exotic

[night yarrow]

so I assume I gotta beat capitol hill on legend or smth?

considering the name "ridgeways pride"

[acoustic coral]

Ascend the summit and then realise you can't use the item for shit anyways.

[night yarrow]

ngl I wanted it bcs it looked sick and I could only assume with drip comes powah

[glossy scarab]

ridgeways chest is a DPS killer in most cases

[night yarrow]

rephrase?

[fickle light]

if you are asking for a "why", its because it just gives you armor regen when targets are bleeding near you, and allows you to apply a bleed to enemies you hit near you- which isnt really a dps gain on your weapons, just adding a small bleed effect. when you have highend talents like obliterate, non-DPS chest peices are not super helpful for DPS builds

If you are just asking for it to be rephrased- Ridgeways exotic chest bad no good stinky bad no dps gain

[night yarrow]

sounds mid at best

[fickle light]

its niche at best, yea. PVP is where it shines as far as i know

[night yarrow]

I would say its good for supports but any good support is running a support gearset and 90% of support gearsets have huge boost for wearing the chest piece so its just bad

[fickle light]

it regens your armor, which makes it bad for any support players. FI players run the FI chest, and for bleed/status gamers you dont run ridgeways, EP runs EP chest and OD runs, like, normal damage stuff generally

[acoustic coral]

It only gives yourself armor regen.
Its use is in PvP when you play up close:
Bleeding Edge: Shooting enemies within 15m applies bleed to the target. Repair 3-48% of your armor per second for every enemy that is bleeding within 15m. Repair strength per number of bleeding enemies: 1=3%, 2=6%, 3=12%, 4=24%, 5=48%.

[night yarrow]

I'm an effect enducer, former OD abuser, would it be helpful for me?

I would say I'm support but my team fuckin hates me or smth and never tells me when they're on

[fickle light]

not generally unless you really like to run OD with an SMG

[night yarrow]

my fav gun is banshee 🔥

[fickle light]

then by all means go farm it out. its a bbit wierd to get, as you make it. 5 parts, each come from the """secret""" chest in each 'part' of summit. 1-20, 21-40, 41-60, 61-80, 81-99. Once you get the piece from the chest, go for the next one. after the last part, extract from the top of the tower and you'll get a quest. do that quest and boom, u can make Ridgeway's Pride

[night yarrow]

hollup, slow down, where do I find said chests

and does only one spawn per tower run

[fickle light]

"each 'part' of summit" = summit is in 3 floor "parts"

the chests are at the end of the 3 floors, near-ish to the elevator that lets you leave that floor set

secret is worded like that because of how it needs a key that spawns somewhere in that 3 floor set

one "secret" chest per 3 floor set

[night yarrow]

dafuq you mean "3 floor set" (here is the map if you would like to make a visual for it

[acoustic coral]

this right here

[night yarrow]

yeah I don't understand

[fickle light]

instead of getting a whole 100 floor tower to play on, you get a mini mission. That mission is a set of 3 floors. Started by going into an elevator, then you get out, do 3 "mission objectives" and then "leave" to the next 3 objectives by going into an elevator.

[night yarrow]

and where would one get said "mini mission"

[fickle light]

Have you done summit before?

[night yarrow]

nope

I did it once right b4 maintainence

I got through 1 floor

[fickle light]

Okay. Go to the summit. Select your difficulty. Walk into the elevator. Boom, you are doing the summit and have already started your first 3 floors. Congrats.

[night yarrow]

so this is okay conditions correct?

[fickle light]

If you wanna do it fast, yeah.

[night yarrow]

now what? (sorry I just wanna make sure I get this right)

[fickle light]

idk why this is so hard

[night yarrow]

you said I gotta find some key then open some chest, I wanna make sure I get it right

[fickle light]

do the objectives, keep an eye out for the key. the key will be one of those off-yellow mission objective type keys, that leave your inv when you leave the mission. the chest will be at or near the end of the 3 floor set, and it will usually require you to shoot a lock or chain to get to it.

[glossy scarab]

Sometimes the key is inside the room(s) where the enemies are. Sometimes the key is in the in between areas hidden in the corner of a corridor or something

[acoustic coral]

Don't overcomplicate it.
The Summit is 100 floors total:

• You choose difficulty and directives at the elevator (that much says itself)
• Follow the objectives.
• The Summit is split into sections of 3 floors at a time giving you a checkpoint to return to. Die or quit while completing the floors, you reset back to your latest checkpoint.
• Every 10 floors is a boss floor (to make it go up into 100)
• At the end of every section is a Summit Cache - you need a key to open this
• The key is usually on the 2nd or 3rd floor of the section.

[night yarrow]

hollup, will I be able to survive this on my own?

[acoustic coral]

Yes?

[fickle light]

do you have working fingers? and a survival instinct better than a toddler?

[glossy scarab]

On normal I don't see why not

[night yarrow]

I'mma die lmao

[fickle light]

if you dont think you can do it, go get a heroic ready build (farm countdown, follow a build guide from this channel's own pinned spreadsheet) and breeze through it in like 2 hours EZPZ

its really not hard though

maybe the ending, or any random encounters with the less than nice types, but otherwise smooth sailing for anyone with even half-okay skills

[night yarrow]

I'm straight outta NYC I'mma die but I'mma enjoy dyin

[fickle light]

this is the pinned spreadsheet. browse through this for a build you wanna make. Strikers is a very popular starter build, as its damage is competitive (or better) than other options, while being extremely easy to make.

I'd actually hold off on doing the summit for now, bc that build is frankly atrocious

[night yarrow]

you think I don't know?

[fickle light]

i gave you the resources and where to farm and then said it. Not a slight at you at all, you are level 4- kinda comes with the territory.

[night yarrow]

my question rn isn't if this will be easy, it is simply: can I complete this?

[fickle light]

my answer, just as simply- yea

[acoustic coral]

Only you can answer that, lol. But normal is piss easy, so surely.
The advice - from Aspect, me - look at the sheet.

[fickle light]

followup, less simple answer- it'll be a fight and it will take you multiple hours. go get your build sorted.

[night yarrow]

I meant with the gear I got

I'mma swap to merciless

[fickle light]

you can complete it but it will take forever and is not worth doing right now. That is what i said.

[night yarrow]

is forever 4 hours or 2 days?

[acoustic coral]

For floor 100? You're gonna be there for waaaaay too long with that build, even on normal.

[fickle light]

it takes players who know what they are doing a few hours to clear the summit, even on normal. For a new player, fresh out of WONY? Double it at minimum, and then the ending will be even tougher. Go sort out your build, even a "i used the first peices of the set i found" will work better than that.

[night yarrow]

would aegis count?

bcs I got aegis

[fickle light]

Aegis is a tank set, you want your first set to be a DPS set. Tank = clear slow = get less loot bc slower = bad time

[night yarrow]

and would pestilence help or not?

bcs I got like 4 of em

[fickle light]

Go look at the sheet and find a build you want. Ask the sheet, not me.

[night yarrow]

fair enough

could someone translate to english?

[fickle light]

Critical hit chance and Critical hit damage

[acoustic coral]

Read the FAQ in the sheets first (because it's taught there)
Likewise you could read all the pins in #ask-td2-community

[night yarrow]

I love my life

[livid mesa]

I hate my luck and life

After 11 months i still can't get an good trait ceska chest

[night yarrow]

yknow it took me this long to realize that stricker didn't mean teh drone but I'm simply toooooo deep to go back

*striker

[shy willow]

Swap the chest to ceska obliterate then the bag for striker and then the mask for coyote or grupo

And make sure everything is rolled to crit chance and damage

And then swap the grudge for a normal banshee with strained or fast hands

And put attachments on the shotgun

[night yarrow]

whats the worst thing that could happen if I just attach the shotty then continue?

[tame flax]

pesti really fun

[shy willow]

Your DPS is gonna be shit compared to a lot of other builds

[night yarrow]

cough

[shy willow]

Reroll the pesti for crit chance or rof

[tame flax]

re-roll to damage to armor for bottom attribute

[night yarrow]

on my plauge spreading device????

[glossy scarab]

Depends on if you want the pesti for ticks primarily or if you're using it more for weapon dmg

[night yarrow]

I'm purely using it to get through with the tower

[glossy scarab]

Oh right you probly don't have a build for it

[shy willow]

Does DTA apply to pesti debuff

[night yarrow]

DTA?

[hazy steeple]

Dance Train Authority.

[hexed steppe]

i believe so

[shy willow]

Ohhh

[hazy steeple]

okay I'm now officially amused for the day, carry on.

Damage To Armour, for the record.

[hexed steppe]

i put pesti on standard high end red/raid type build and it did well

[tame flax]

@night yarrowcheck dm

[night yarrow]

dies better?

[night yarrow]

alr

[shy willow]

#td2-build-advice message

[hexed steppe]

use striker bag, much more damage per stack that way

[tame flax]

no

[hexed steppe]

make it look like this with all crit stats and youll be hitting 1.2mil per crit

[night yarrow]

counter offer, I am simply trying to min max my gear grinding for this objective of mine known as OP: steal ridgeways balls (get ridgeways pride)

I just got this stricker from running a targeted loot mission on challenging

I don wanna do that shit again

*striker

[hexed steppe]

are you still climbing summit?

[acoustic coral]

You're gonna have a very tough time playing the division 2 end game if you're only capable of doing something once for loot...

[night yarrow]

I'm just not a fan of tower

[gentle lichen]

Not tower

[night yarrow]

grinding the other thing is prep for tower

[gentle lichen]

Go for countdown much more faster and more quantity of loot

[night yarrow]

so it just feel annoying

[night yarrow]

I'm doing it for ridgeways pride

[hazy steeple]

It is possible just to drop on down to #lfg-pc and get a checkpoint, but might take a while depending on what step you're on.

[gentle lichen]

It's gonna take a shit while long solo

I call at least 5 hours

[hazy steeple]

You do need to effectively do Summit twice to finish it, sometimes longer depending on your luck.

[gentle lichen]

@onyx sage @limpid pelican

[onyx sage]

i mean it's perfectly fine

[gentle lichen]

Though i am considering catharsis along with the striker bag

Though the lack of bonus armor makes it hard for catharsis to be used effectively

[stiff jasper]

I think matador better

[night yarrow]

MY LUCK JUST WENT UP

floor 15 cache gave me coyote mask

(the major missing piece of my build)

and it gave me the blueprint for the one piece of the set I was missing lmao

[tame flax]

congrats

[rocky wharf]

hi guys , I am just return to the game and mostly forget most of the game and now trying to grind level and items , where the best location to target " hunter fury " pieces ,

[night yarrow]

it shifts from day-to-day

[dull ermine]

Countdown

Set your target loot

[rocky wharf]

can you explain

[dull ermine]

Are you finished with warlords of New York

[rocky wharf]

really I dont know if i finished it but my level now is 40

[tulip charm]

You beat keener?

[rocky wharf]

no

[tulip charm]

beat him then you can start farming it

[rocky wharf]

thx

[rocky rain]

Do you get Blueprints when clearing CP in a group?

[hazy steeple]

Doesn't matter how many people are with you, you still get 1 bp from clearing a CP at Lvl 3/4.

there's a limited amount though, so you will eventually run out of stuff to get.

[covert rune]

im at 381/494 at blueprints and 5/6 on exotics?
ive been running cp's at 4 constant i think ive gotten all that i can because i dont get them anymore.
how do we get the rest?

returning player btw missed a buncha seasons >.<

[tulip charm]

Descent!

[hazy steeple]

what funpol' said, and there's actually a big list of the ones available 📌 pinned over in #td2-descent

[covert rune]

thanks folks! 🙂

[rocky rain]

Some blueprints are season awards from previous seasons. Can you still get them?

And some are “Broken Wing” rewards. What is that?

[tulip charm]

Descent!

[onyx sage]

woohoo we love descent

[rocky rain]

Never did. Seems to be time for it.

[onyx sage]

time to get good

[gentle lichen]

Time to play until disconnect tells you to touch grass

[covert meadow]

So I'm never ran an lmg setup, I have also the iron lung, bullet king, Pestilence as well.

I'm running full stats on all gear, but yet he says he's hitting at 62% chc and 57% chc in General?

You can see my stats, what is wrong? And is there a better lmg using any of the other guns I could use for a build instead?

This is all for open world, mission pve content.

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s526/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=f9ec5cf5-ec40-8ae5-ba57-3455524b5ba3&noteKey=pnzpfvMklgY1FkUyZ7HrW6akGgUWibgtLrLLS5DUVnZD-ooEFRBnQhOIow&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs526%2Fsh%2Ff9ec5cf5-ec40-8ae5-ba57-3455524b5ba3%2FpnzpfvMklgY1FkUyZ7HrW6akGgUWibgtLrLLS5DUVnZD-ooEFRBnQhOIow&title=Bluescreen%2BDilemma%2B-%2BDPS%252FSupport

[gentle lichen]

Nothing looks wrong

What's your 3rd attribute on the bluescreen

And if you're asking for a better performing lmg there is the iron lung but the top ones are rpk and l86

[covert meadow]

Damage to Armor @6% @gentle lichen

[gentle lichen]

It should be for pve chc tbh

Or rof

[hazy steeple]

rate of fire, chc, whatever your build needs.

as for great lmg's, those 2 are good but also the mg5 family is excellent.

[covert meadow]

I mean @hazy steeple that's the build that was posted on the links site, definitely not a youtube build, I'm assuming that 1st picture is the gold standard with other options below?

But now I'm hearing the modeled lmg in the picture is not even the best one to even use

[acoustic coral]

The bluescreen is nice, however Bluescreen Dilemma is better for grouped content as you still do a decent chunk of damange - and also offer the support from the 50-stack debuff from bluescreen, just make sure to tag everyone.
I primarily use that exact build in heroic countdown, and it performs great. Solo I'd run something else for the weapon, as the Bluescreen talent is better suited for grouped content

[hazy steeple]

as for gun choice in general, using the "not best" choice is often almost identical to using the absolute meta. Not always of course, but most of the time you have a range to pick from.

If you're trying something else like a "standard red dps" for example, you can pick pretty much anything that's up the top of the various lists and it'll do great in most content.

tl;dr every build on the spreadsheet is heroic certified.

[covert meadow]

I just wanted a build for solo content using an lmg, Everything seems to be for grouped content, with the option to be somewhat viable in a solo comparison.

[acoustic coral]

That build is more than fine for solo, just use something like a Stoner LAMG with Fast Hands instead

[covert meadow]

I'll try it out I might not even want it, it was just a build I never used and I was cleaning out my storage and figured I'd give it a go before deconstruction them all lol

Ok ty you guys

[acoustic coral]

The build 1:1 can be used, just swap the Bluescreen for the Stoner LAMG (if you want to run LMGs that is) with Fast Hands for solo content - because you won't get much use out of the talent otherwise, which is why that specific build works so good.
For grouped content (especially countdown, I cannot understate how nice it is there) the BluescreenDilemma build really shines.

[covert meadow]

I'm actually loading a Countdown now, cause outside of those exotics I don't have 1, you mentioned I always deconstruction them when I got them, so now I'm in farm mode for 1

[hazy steeple]

I make it a point to keep one of each Exotic, nowadays with a good roll for the 3rd attribute since it's changeable now.
So I always can test out a weird build if I want.

[gentle lichen]

Reload time will lock you to one talent which is fast hands

[hazy steeple]

So?

I'm not sure why you replied to that one.

[gentle lichen]

The other 2 options allow an offensive talent

[tulip charm]

Eh fast hands is pretty much bis for lmg since they take forever to reload

Unless you plan on doing pvp

[flint wave]

rpk users

[hazy steeple]

Even RPK takes an age and a half compared to a decent AR.

[flint wave]

I use new reliable so idk

[hazy steeple]

2.1 compared to 3, and that's an f2000.

[tulip charm]

new reliable gives reload speed tho

[flint wave]

yea

[tulip charm]

its nice enough

[flint wave]

so no need for fast hands

[tulip charm]

Because you cant roll it xd

[hazy steeple]

This all just makes me more confused why NB felt the need to reply only to me lol.

ah well, mystery for the ages.

[tulip charm]

Oh whats the reload speed of an l86 and rpk

[hazy steeple]

both 3

new rel is 2.5, which is kinda funny that it's still worse than an f2k.

fun fact: the gold AR that comes closest to an LMG's reload speed is tkb, at 2.6

[covert meadow]

I see what @acoustic coral meant in a group setting, that thing hits pretty hard, the rifle took 4 shots on a hunter, only thing, I need to learn better positioning, thankful for the hive and decoy . I'll hit it a couple times I may just keep this for Countdown, second alt to strikers.

And copy the build with one of the others, that are not exotic.

[covert meadow]

Do you always want damage to armor and dttooc on these lmgs

[magic pilot]

chc

[hazy steeple]

You can only change the 3rd attribute on Exotics, the first 2 are locked.

[gentle lichen]

Oh nothing personal it was the first message i saw then i skipped the rest. Imo only mg5 worth is the iron lung due to how ridiculous it can be

[magic pilot]

@gentle lichen

[gentle lichen]

Ayeeee

Now get dtoc

[covert meadow]

Ok cool

[magic pilot]

Trying to get blueprint to recraft rn😂

Won't come up

I did almost 100 shd levels yesterday

[gentle lichen]

Wasted

[magic pilot]

I had 1 comp and got headshot so I'll take it for now

[gentle lichen]

Could've gotten precious stars

[magic pilot]

im gonna do a ton today

backpack is chc/chd but everything else is good

[gentle lichen]

Solid

[acoustic coral]

I actually only use the Bluescreen LMG on that specific build, tag everything with the weapon and watch them all get disoriented the moment one is killed by a teammate, rince and repeat the entire Countdown.
I mathed DTA to be better on the Bluescreen for that specific build, over CHC and ROF - because of the rolls on other gear + coyote

[covert meadow]

Yeah I got lucky when I got it, it's 2%from max roll, I'll definitely keep it for Countdown now I'm trying to get a stoner or that new reliable, with fh and chc

And I'll keep the rest of the build the same

[sage matrix]

Is it worth trying to get headshot damage for third stat on eagle bearer or shoot for crit/doc?

[patent fossil]

dtoc

you can stack headshot damage elsewhere if you want it, you can only get dtoc on weapon and maybe kneepads, so it's worth more

[gleaming hill]

are these good stats for a drop?

in the core attribute

[patent elm]

Not really but why do you want aegis anyway

[magic pilot]

No

[gleaming hill]

just wanted to check if it was better than the regular aegis drops because it had a lot of armor

[covert meadow]

@magic pilot in order to change the 3rd attribute on exotics with have to re roll ?

[tepid trout]

Yes

Mis pasted whoops

[covert meadow]

Ok @tepid trout ty didn't wanna waste the roll never tryed that.

[tepid trout]

There's a lot of exotics that benefit from dttooc

Like the reg,eb,ouro and elmos

[hazy steeple]

It should be noted that you only ever "need" to reconfigure an Exotic for dtooc or whatever if they're a hassle to farm out another copy, like Ouro, raid guns, Bighorn, etc.
the bulk of them it's better to just hit up TL (targeted loot) and farm it out.

Exotic Components are better used elsewhere rather than wasting possible dozens to get the attribute you want.

[covert meadow]

Cmrudolph help keep build a lmg build, and I really like using this new reliable I found, only problem, magazine kinda short, I'm wondering would it work on bullet king, they say you never have to reload with that

Oh wow the ouro has it and elmo but my reg does not will have to try re roll it to

[hazy steeple]

BK also has low base damage and no mod slots, so it's not exactly amazing.

and no actual Talent on top of the lack of everything else.

[covert meadow]

Oh now I'm seeing why yall said go with those others then

They have low output power

That new reliable seems pretty good

Got lucky and got 1

[hazy steeple]

a lot of Exotics in div2 are kinda pants overall, it's best to think of them as a sort of "side grade" to the gold guns, or a downgrade in some cases.

[covert meadow]

Yeah, I always though those were like best to have over gold ones

[hazy steeple]

I like to think of Exotics/Golds (high end) and gearsets as all about even, just depends on your build.

[covert meadow]

But that's why yall got the experience and knowledge, glad yall will to help

[acoustic coral]

BluescreenDilemma (build you're aiming for)
Grouped: Bluescreen
Solo: I mean, Bluescreen would work, but alternatives:
Stoner LAMG with Fast Hands, Iron Lung can be considered out of the other exotics, then maybe the RPK with Fast Hands
Other LMGs has either low mag or high reload times.

Fast Hands will reduce the reload times, but Stoner hits a good balance between RPM, mag size, base damage and reload - for LMGs that is.
Otherwise I would poke around the weapon stat page
Good Times could potentially be there with the Perfect Fast Hands, but I'm not sure

[tulip charm]

Both MG5s are top lmgs aswell

[covert meadow]

Thank you @acoustic coral I'm gunna hit Countdown hard and look for the lamb, and I need dttooc and chc on it as far as attributes go?

Mg5s

Alright 👍 ty again guys

[acoustic coral]

For that specific build I mathed DTA to be more beneficial

[tulip charm]

Oh for nego? Wouldnt dta be better since it would double dip?

[covert meadow]

Oh really ok, so being chc 60 isn't must have but close as possible?

[acoustic coral]

Bluescreen Dilemma, perfectly rolled, with mid-range coyote, gets you to 57% CHC

[tepid trout]

Wish diamondback nego was as good in missions as it is on boomer

[covert meadow]

It's giving me 47% fully rolled @acoustic coral

[hazy steeple]

Your SHD chc isn't at 10% I gather.

[covert meadow]

172 chd and 47 chc

No I'm full 50 on watch to

[acoustic coral]

173 CHD, 47% CHC
+10% on both with Coyote Mid-Range buff

You and all allies gain a bonus based on the distance of the last enemy you hit.
0-15m: +25% critical hit damage.
15-25m: +10% critical hit damage and +10% critical hit chance.
25m+: +25% critical hit chance.```

[acoustic coral]

15-25m: +10% critical hit damage and +10% critical hit chance.

This doesn't show up in stats

[covert meadow]

Ok so I'm right on the margin, distance wise that's why

Yeah but it's there

[acoustic coral]

Be aware this is with Bluescreen (which has no CHC/CHD mods on its own) (and also with no ND stacks for CHD)

Max watch, max rolls, no expertise

[covert meadow]

Ah now I see why you said Lamb! Plus with the random over run, I could wide up in serious trouble especially if decoy is on timeout, yeah I better look for lamb

[rich lotus]

@acoustic coral I'm at around 49% CHC with coyote and contractors on my steady handed gr9 striker build, is ROF the way to go in your opinion?

[acoustic coral]

Without mathing it I'd reckon ROF, since - well as long as you're hitting you can proc steady handed over and over, right?

[onyx sage]

rof would give you a 4.3% increase since you already have 15% from striker, and even less if you use a rof mag (which you should be running)

dta is also not a bad choice but of course only works against armored targets

[acoustic coral]

Ah, you're right - I'm not so well-versed in the striker math, I just had a deep dive into the BluescreenDilemma build one day, so I know my way around the multipliers for ND (in-case of multi-target dps calculation) aswell as LMG stats, as I wanted to find out what was best for the Bluescreen.

[rich lotus]

@acoustic coral @onyx sage ty for the input!

[onyx sage]

it's not going to matter that much between rof or dta on this case

because you already have enough chc. it only matters if you don't

[rich lotus]

I kind of dislike coyote personally i only run it on a single build that im taking advantage of the full 25% CHC (high end focus build), but playing a bunch of countdown today with the striker the seat of the pants feel of it over a ceska mask seemed better

just want sure about the ROF vs CHC on the gun itself so thanks again for the info

[onyx sage]

any of the coyote buffs is better than anything you can get from a high end brand if you're solo

[normal cypress]

grupo gc

although pgc can work just fine

[dull ermine]

Does Pgc give more per bullet damage

Or are they the same cause of brand bonus from grupo?

[normal cypress]

it's been a while since I calculated tbh

iirc grupo gc edges out pgc but id have to calc again

[normal cypress]

gotta love a bit of ND math

[acoustic coral]

aaaaayyy, there's the man of the hour - took me so long to figure out the exact formula you had used for the BluescreenDilemma guide and the tables in the bottom, but helped me understand the whole damage formula quite well.
Even cooked up a cursed version of it that relies on having the 3 coyote buffs in countdown It slaps, when it works, but falls hard if no-one is running it haha

[normal cypress]

glad to know at least one person found it useful! 😂

it's always just theoretical with ND but that's why it's fun

we're slowly working on getting talent calculations (including ND) working with the build tool, so not long before more people can poke holes in my primary school math

[dull ermine]

gets kicked from heroic countdown by person inspecting min maxed builds 😂

||im making a joke||

[acoustic coral]

Considering it's all min-maxed (and 1200shd), I'll be ignored if they check me. I do usually wear my normal BluescreenDilemma build then see if enough people run coyote for the other to be worth - started thinking about alternatives to it, but I don't play countdown enough to care. It's my fav build there tho

[dull ermine]

Easiest way to bypass them is switch builds once you load in haha

Also did they make some sort of patch for people to spawn at the same hunter cause rarely do I see a group of four having to solo their spawn hunters

[acoustic coral]

Also that, but they'll see 4x ND, Obliterate chest and go "yeah, good enough"

[rich lotus]

@arrow they changed it a few patches ago i think, theres just 1 spawn now

i cant even @ right, :*(

[solar sable]

@greenarrow

[muted hare]

Hey guys what would be a good talent for the AK M? I was thinking of either ranger or strained?

[glossy scarab]

strained will do way better

[muted hare]

What about the attachment?

[glossy scarab]

chc probably. unless you're chc is already 60 or whatever

[onyx sage]

headhunter math:

[acoustic coral]

not yet 💀

[hexed steppe]

strained or optimist

[onyx sage]

a few of us have mastered the dark arts

[ancient dune]

True :3

[steel rampart]

What 6th piece for ouro & bloody knuckles for incursion during Wright & love birds. Assuming only 1 group Coyote’s.

During 1 phase wright & love birds I wouldn’t foresee any mid range buff.

Crit
Foxes 47/163
Groupo 53/178
Ceska 60/163

[magic pilot]

Ceska

@steel rampart

[simple bobcat]

I need help with a Hunter Killer Build

[glossy scarab]

what you got so far

[steel rampart]

With coyotes?

[shy willow]

do you already have an all red hunter killer

[magic pilot]

Yes

Ceska with any exotic smg on gearsets besides nego and umbra

[simple bobcat]

Not yet

[shy willow]

Don't bother with hunter killer then just use normal intim on ceska or grupo or smth

[simple bobcat]

Alright

[steel rampart]

I meant what piece when I’m using coyotes. Still ceska? Always ceska instead of foxes with ouro striker?

[shy willow]

You'll be in close buff most pretty much the entire time so free chd if you run coyote

If someone else is running it use grupo

[simple bobcat]

Im dumb I have it on my hardcore account but its only level 30 I gotta redo the dlc to max my level out again

[magic pilot]

Ceska always

[steel rampart]

Cool thanks

[zealous dew]

any thoughts on what to change? really hybrid build, all yellows are repair skill nodes, made for DZ

[magic pilot]

That is certainly a build

[zealous dew]

yh, honestly just using it for farming and trolling gankers because the regen when i stay in hive is very funny

[glossy scarab]

from the friendliest of places.. its pretty all over the place

[zealous dew]

only a full red glass cannon or 4 rogues could take me down

and even then the red glass cannon would get melted by me

(thanks capacitor)

[shy willow]

Respectfully, no

Maybe @wise swallow could offer some tips

[wise swallow]

Not dying is 50% of the battle

You can run a marathon but if you come dead last your still a loser

Sure you got all the survivability in the world but with zero stopping power your pretty damn useless

[wise swallow]

Your trying to do too many things

The problem with skill + regen + dps is you get half ass benefits of all 3

So you have a ok dps build, an ok skill build and a ok regen build

Your better off trying to do 2 things then 3

I’d forget the skills and focus on regen and dps

Or forget the regen and do skills + dps

You’ll have much stronger skills that when used right will be way stronger then regen and dps that’ll be quite good

Your not gonna be outshooting a full stack striker but you’ll have a chance when played right

Personally I think heal skills + dps is shit

But I’ve seen it used effectively many times

It’s really a preference thing but you can’t try to do basically everything at once

[zealous dew]

I mean my main goal was tanky healer build

but I was in a hurry so I just slapped the existing Ceska unbreakable chest piece I had

[drifting storm]

hey guys, I was wondering if you would know any way to farm certain gear sets. I've played for awhile before but I'm just getting back into the game. My only concern is when I look at the crafting table for the gear it says it was either only available during season 3 or as part of a raid that I think is over, unless you can go back and do previous raids. I'm trying to get Aces and Eights as well as Hunter's Fury. I know this is a lot to ask for so sorry for the essay, but I was hoping someone would know more about it here

[shy willow]

If you're trying to make an MMR build hotshot trumps aces

Each zone has a targeted loot allocation which gives higher drops chance of said loot

In countdown and summit you can choose what to target so they're prime time farming, countdown especially because so much loot drops

[drifting storm]

is hotshot a gearset?

[shy willow]

Yes

[drifting storm]

oh, whats its bonuses?

[shy willow]

When you have 3 pieces, 30 percent MMR damage, weapon handling, and headshot damage

The fourth is a talent that rewards you with mag refills, more hsd, and bonus armour for chaining headshots without missing

[drifting storm]

ooh that sounds nice, also where do you edit the targeted loot in the Summit?

[shy willow]

Not sure what the key is on pc but it'll tell you if you hover over it

[drifting storm]

oh wait nvm, can you change it during the journey?

[solar sable]

nope

[drifting storm]

oh okay, good to know

[tulip charm]

You can for summit

[drifting storm]

oh?

[solar sable]

when you're running it, you can't afaik

[tulip charm]

During a run no clue

[drifting storm]

oh i see, what about the countdown? what exactly is that I havent heard of it

[solar sable]

Its a 8 player mode where you get to do two encounters, a Main objective and fight Hunters (these are rogue agents as if in LZ) which drop Hunter tags. This mode is excellent for mass loot drop as almost every enemy has loot. It has to be done within 15 minutes + 4 ||thx naval|| when in the Extraction phase. Every successful CD round gives around 150-160 points which can be traded with the Countdown Vendor to the right of the BoO (White House).

I hope I explained myself correctly as english is not my main language lol

[shy willow]

15+4 mins, plenty of enemies, 2 encounters and a main objective, plenty of loot, currency to spend at a dedicated vendor

[dull ermine]

Aces as dedicated rifle gearset pls

[rich cosmos]

If aces becomes a rifle gearset my life is complete

It really wouldn’t hurt the game if the least used weapon class in the entire game had at least one good gearset

[magic pilot]

They are scared of it being op again

Both rifles and aces lol

[tawdry flare]

I mean rifles were never op afaik

Aces was

[magic pilot]

Pre lvl 40 I think

Are you gonna carry me tonight?

[tawdry flare]

Rn ? Sure

[magic pilot]

Getting on rn

[onyx sage]

i'll teach all interested people how to solo legendary for free

anyways mods i think this needs to be looked at

@hazy steeple if you don't mind

[dull ermine]

I’ve never done tidal basin sir

It sounds scary

[shy willow]

Headhunter

[night yarrow]

(chest is everyday carrier)

feat.: crack banshee

[onyx sage]

are you in the community server

[dull ermine]

Gc?

[onyx sage]

no, the reddit one

[dull ermine]

No

[night yarrow]

(update)

who tf needs 2 skills

[dull ermine]

It’s fine you don’t need 2

[magic pilot]

There's ways to have 0 lol

[night yarrow]

ik

[dull ermine]

0 is the best way to go

[night yarrow]

what yall think of he build btw?

[dull ermine]

Cause your enemies skills will always be better than yours

Drop the perfectly efficient

Run ceska chest with obliterate

[night yarrow]

bruv who o you take me for?

someone who doesn't take obsurd massive amounts of dmg constantly?

[dull ermine]

Perfect efficient is not gonna save you from that lol

[night yarrow]

it is when cover is a thing

just pop a plat and go back in

[dull ermine]

Plus they nerfed it

You used to be able to spam it

[night yarrow]

shiiiiiiiiii

[dull ermine]

Just don’t rush them u will be fine

[night yarrow]

I can still spam it :v

[dull ermine]

That 10 sec thing wasn’t there before

[night yarrow]

yeah bcs I run a 104k dmg banshee with stiker to be conservative

[dull ermine]

Rush them if you want lol

It’s generally not a good idea

[night yarrow]

I run bashee (skill) I'll be fine

[dull ermine]

Also ignore your base damage it don’t mean jack until ur buffs kick in … and if they do and you’re still doing that amount you haven’t configured ur build correctly

[shy willow]

Brother I told you to just use a build from the spreadsheet yesterday😭

Everyday carrier isn't saving you

Unbreakable might

[onyx sage]

just let them take them on and see if they need to improve

[night yarrow]

I just took on 2 rouges and here I am still standin fine

I see no problems

[onyx sage]

rogues aren't that hard tbf

[night yarrow]

I'm on challenging

[shy willow]

On normal or

[dull ermine]

Lies

[onyx sage]

still easy on heroic

[shy willow]

Striker 4 piece solos challenging

[onyx sage]

just know how to peek

[dull ermine]

I died to rogues today for the dumbest reason lol

[shy willow]

🍌

[dull ermine]

I tried to out heal an oxi chem 😂

[onyx sage]

lmao

[dull ermine]

I didn’t want to move I had good position 🤣

[onyx sage]

they're still easy on legendary summit because their AI is worse than white tusk

and that's as far as you can make them hard

[dull ermine]

I find them annoying really that’s all

All they do is spam skills

[onyx sage]

they still have that double skill deploy bug iirc

so that's the only reason they can get annoying

[dull ermine]

The nemesis, rogues they’re annoying af

Keener is not as annoying

He actually tries to kill you

[shy willow]

The only reason I hate rogues is because they can use two skills of the same base

[onyx sage]

drone operators:

[shy willow]

Rogues got whole ass shd tech tho

[dull ermine]

I’m kind of bad in descent against named enemies so maybe I should just stop lol

[shy willow]

I still despise drone operators especially white tusk

Jammy gits

[onyx sage]

i live in legendary

[dull ermine]

I wish there was a directive for 4 person solo scaling

[shy willow]

🫣

[onyx sage]

just have 3 alts

[shy willow]

Solo incursion

[dull ermine]

I love bounty scaled to 4 people but if you match make all you get is people running tank builds and all the aggro is on you

[shy willow]

If only shields generated threat

[dull ermine]

It would still be the same with said directive except some nerd isn’t blocking my cover to cover

[onyx sage]

naval you should watch me play in community server vc more

had a fun time carrying tidal runs earlier

[dull ermine]

Ur build?

[onyx sage]

just striker all red

[dull ermine]

Gun?

[onyx sage]

famas or elmo

depends on the mood

[dull ermine]

Famas talent?

[onyx sage]

strained

[dull ermine]

Okay

[onyx sage]

emp sticky and decoy

[dull ermine]

I debate between fast hands n strained for famas

[onyx sage]

and i just go to town

[dull ermine]

Strained saves ammo

[onyx sage]

strained helps me one mag an elite

[night yarrow]

nah my wifi gave up on floor 82 ;w;

:sadge:

[dull ermine]

What do u use for summit leg? @onyx sage

[night yarrow]

a gun obv

[dull ermine]

N r u solo or usually in group?

[night yarrow]

usually solo but I occasionally get to play in a squad with 2 buddies

[dull ermine]

Summit has been annoying me lately cause nonstop emp or drone floors

[shy willow]

Oh you be in there?

[night yarrow]

what whats gate strat?

[dull ermine]

Best strat for incursion

[dull ermine]

It is 😭 you have more fun waiting 30 mins and dodging mortars every 2 sec

[shy willow]

I like your funny words arrow man

[night yarrow]

sometimes I miss m32, then I remember I get to run bashee and banshee in the same setup and get happy again :]

I forgot an n lol

common Gabby L

[novel cosmos]

My first attempt at making a Capacitor Skill build for solo/summit, any tips on improving and if I'm missing something?

[shy willow]

Getting there

Swap the gloves for Hana

And make sure you have all skill damage and haste rolls

You might want a harmony or test subject instead of that surge too

[novel cosmos]

Ok, lemme look in my stash then cause I have a few of those pieces I've been saving up

So swap the blue mods for damage and haste?

Found a maxxed Test Subject, scored

[shy willow]

Yeah just roll everything to skill damage and haste

Other than what I said it's good

[novel cosmos]

What's the difference between damage and haste?

[shy willow]

Haste decreases cooldowns

Damage increases damage

[novel cosmos]

Gotcha, I'll tinked damage then I'll go hunting in countdown for better pieces then

Any specific talents I should look for in gear?

[night yarrow]

floor 84, W

[fresh grove]

Is that for ridgeways?

[night yarrow]

yes

[novel cosmos]

Nice, for Ridgeway's?

[night yarrow]

I not have part 5, 4, and, 1

*now

[night yarrow]

you gotta be unable to read yeah?

[hexed steppe]

what you have for talents is ok. you could also glass cannon chest, tech support bag. perfect combined arms is strong but requires you to keep shooting to keep its damage procced.

[shy willow]

Tech support/combined arms on bag, kinetic momentum and glass cannon on chest

[shy willow]

What happened to 2/3

[night yarrow]

I was playin on my own then my buddy invited me

I got to floor 21 then got taken into 67+

[novel cosmos]

The bag I have is the named Hana U bag, so I think it should be on there, didn't check whoops

[novel cosmos]

Thank you, will keep an eye out for those then

[night yarrow]

what a joke

[hexed steppe]

you can get really interesting with a skill/dps hybrid as well. an area like summit has emp rooms that render your skills useless. i made this a short time ago as a hybrid , all crit chance/crit damage rolls, skill tier 6 with 3 red core/1 blue core. with capacitor and memento stacked it has 110-140% skill damage attributes while maintaining crit

[novel cosmos]

Is the bag Acosta's?

[novel cosmos]

Oh nice, just noticed and damn that's a hell of a lot of stats, awesome

[acoustic coral]

I've had instances where the bug double dips and there's 3-4 turrets in the same spot. Best is when it's the sniper turret! 💀

[acoustic coral]

Late to the party, worth noting that a successful Heroic run gives 208 points rather than the 150-160 from challenging

[acoustic coral]

Targeted Loot can always be changed in Summit/Countdown.
Map > H > Change it.

[hexed steppe]

Its memento. One of the bonuses you get from it is 30% skill efficiency on long buff, then another 30% skill efficiency for a short time when you pick up a trophy. Skill efficiency is % in each skill bucket,
(Skill damage, haste, skill duration, skill health, skill repair, status effects).
It's the hardest working single piece of gear in the game, but requires kills to get trophy/stack buffs. Fits in a lot of builds 💯

[novel cosmos]

Awesome, I have one for a hunter's fury build but I don't use it in any others atm

Also I updated my build now, getting there I think

[rich lotus]

Just don't tp

I love and hate memento

[novel cosmos]

How much damage does the skill do per bullet? I'm noting around 71k and 110k per crit bullet and I'm wondering if it's my skills/mods or if that's just how it is

Running summit and I keep getting killed once I clear one floor 🤣

Also is Technician a good spec to run?

[acoustic coral]

To safe houses. If you run around clearing the map, it's busted. Fast travel to missions/classified or overtaken control points.
As Borat would say. VERY NAAIS

[rich lotus]

Yep i want to cry when there's no missions or anything near a place I wanna go and I then have to sacrifice all the stacks

[novel cosmos]

What's better, Harmony or Test Subject for my build?

[rich lotus]

Both does the same thing

You already have test so might as well stick to it

[hexed steppe]

Well, not to safe houses. Use missions, controlpoints, friendly resource convoys, or classified assignments 😉

[hexed steppe]

You'll want glass or kinetic momentum on the chest for better skill damage. (you originally had kinetic).
Tech is a good spec but if you are already running 6 skilltiers you have flexibility to use other specs.
Personally on a pure turret drone (afk) build I run gunner for the armor on kill it gives. I also run a palisades piece, so each skill or weapon kill gives me 20% armor on kill. I have a secondary as mop shotgun which allows for up to 30% armor on kill if I'm really low.
I also run protection from elite mods instead of haste 😅
I'm not always a conventional builder but it works well for me.

[viscid tartan]

Anyone having a Regulus pistol headshot build better then this ? I want to make it better...

[tulip charm]

use chainkiller instead of habs chest

[vestal ibex]

Define better...

[viscid tartan]

Something for initial dmg

[vestal ibex]

Put DCH on then

[viscid tartan]

after i proc first kill, it doen't matter that much

[vestal ibex]

Claws out is a stange choice anyway.

[viscid tartan]

maybe the gloves doesn't fit and there's something else that i can use 🤷‍♂️

[shy willow]

you just said you wanted initial damage but you dont wanna use dch wtf

[vestal ibex]

Slap DCH(dodge city holseter) on and put your pistol away when out of combat.

[shy willow]

if you don't miss then free stacks

[viscid tartan]

what if i miss ?😂

[tulip charm]

skill issue

[viscid tartan]

then the holster is no good

[vestal ibex]

Dude there isn't anything else that gonna help you.

[viscid tartan]

oke then...thx

[vestal ibex]

As someone who uses this build and the hunters version, you have to hit your shots or it's no good.

[shy willow]

just take a beat to aim before you shoot problem solved

besides yeah if you cant hit shots maybe reg isn't for you

[tulip charm]

claws is cool if you run memento

would like another one with hsd instead of wep handling

[vestal ibex]

Memento? Like what build are we talking about here? Reg HE HH? Skill damage and melee damage is kinda funky no matter how I frame it.

[tulip charm]

claws give +9% pistol damage

[shy willow]

is this assuming already have d&h

[viscid tartan]

Guys, try to think around like this... something that doesn't require stacks and no exotic holster. Pure base dmg

[shy willow]

you aint achieving shit for base damage with no stacks

[vestal ibex]

There just isn't anything and what your adding in WD is watered down because you already have so much of it.

[shy willow]

nemesis maybe if you stretch it

in short no headhunter no damage

[vestal ibex]

"I want more damage so I can get to HH stacks quicker" I get this is what your asking but even if you got another 10% WD in that slot it just wont add much damage regardless.

[shy willow]

if you want fast HH stacks then dch is the one for the job

[night yarrow]

why and how is it blue

[shy willow]

if you dont wanna use that, no other piece will fill that niche

[vestal ibex]

Color blind modes.

[viscid tartan]

I mean to play with the build with full group... You just think about solo play when you talk about stacks. You can imagine I'm not gonna take all the kills to get the stacks, right? And if i do then i don't need the team then..

[night yarrow]

is this genuine?

[vestal ibex]

Yes

It has other uses and that's why most people use them tho.

[shy willow]

what is blud waffling about

[night yarrow]

such as?

[vestal ibex]

wat? You wanna reg HH but poorly?

[tulip charm]

You're playing in a full group and you're not running HH HF?

[shy willow]

highlights otherwise basically invisible shit on the hud

[tulip charm]

Kinda cringe

[vestal ibex]

All ground effects will have white circles including your skills and grenades.

[night yarrow]

off top here, let me get this straight, it is visually a 6 rounder, its called the SIX12 and it hold... 8?

[tulip charm]

Isnt thats what DCH is for?

[tulip charm]

It enables you to get full stacks if you hit your shots

[night yarrow]

ubisoft developemnt at its finest

[shy willow]

I think the root of the issue is blud can't hit shots

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vestal ibex]

You have to have logic leaps in games....

Don't mind all the rest of them tho.

[flint wave]

6-12=8

[night yarrow]

this is the worst one I've seen thus far

[flint wave]

[vestal ibex]

Wait until you learn how much ammo weighs and how much your character has.

[viscid tartan]

I think you didn't get the point and you are just 💩 around. Walk away

[flint wave]

heroic content bout to be impossible if we had realistic ammo capacity

[shy willow]

einstein rolling in his grave

[flint wave]

challenging even

[onyx sage]

of course. today again as well. i'll ping you when i do so you can watch my shenanigans

[night yarrow]

6 the 6 round cylinder 12 the gauge and 8 the dipshid ubisoft balancing

had to mildly "fix" it

[shy willow]

you came into build advice and you dont wanna take said advice, just go somewhere else dude

[flint wave]

society if there was no vc member cap

[viscid tartan]

What ever you call it, it's not advice

[vestal ibex]

I mean with a buff or two from your team HE is doable.

[shy willow]

isn't there a 4 person cap anyway

[onyx sage]

yeah

[flint wave]

yes lol

[vestal ibex]

I gave you advice but you don't wanna take it.

[night yarrow]

its a suggestion followed by stats and proven builds

[onyx sage]

most of the time i carry matchmaking anyway so there are 3 free slots to watch

[tulip charm]

Well nowadays most people dont even have a FI for leg imagine for a normal mm session

💀

[shy willow]

oh bet

[flint wave]

imagine not using striker

[night yarrow]

I plan on swapping to hunters fury soon 😔

[flint wave]

[shy willow]

HF ain't half bad it just lacks firepower on tankier stuff

excluding hhf cuz hh

[tulip charm]

eh

[night yarrow]

thats when yuh start PUNCHIN em with ur hive till they give up

[tulip charm]

Just run scropio

[onyx sage]

good luck with that

[night yarrow]

just start MOLEYWHOPPING

[flint wave]

this and also being forced into cqc 24/7 is why I think hunter fury is smelly(for me)

[onyx sage]

chungas bleeding with hives take forever

[night yarrow]

use it like a hameer

not like its supposed to be used

I mean like a melee

just start SWINGIN

[flint wave]

hive melee

[night yarrow]

maybe choke slam him as a finisher

maybe even go as far as to give him a little boo-boo

that will sure put the fear of the division into his teams eyes

[shy willow]

true but thats just scorp carrying tbh

[onyx sage]

headhunter

[shy willow]

headhunter

[flint wave]

headhunter

[night yarrow]

scorp > ouro

sorry it simply had to be said

[onyx sage]

actually agreed

[flint wave]

ong

[night yarrow]

its like clash of the titans

[flint wave]

elmo > scorpio

[onyx sage]

naur

[night yarrow]

heeeell nah

scorp 🔛 🔝

[flint wave]

The opinion that shocked the playerbase

[onyx sage]

there's a pun in there somewhere

[flint wave]

jk I can't use elmo on builds that aren't dps

[night yarrow]

I'm going to submit you to the secret final effect of scorp being a severe boo boo

[shy willow]

scorpio you can just drop on anything it goes hard

[night yarrow]

its sad they made it off the not-pancor™️

shoulda gone with a streetsweeper imo

[shy willow]

just use the acs

[night yarrow]

anyway, I'mma go kidnap and torture some poor and innocent Z's (sleep), see yall tommorow

[flint wave]

nice timezone

[night yarrow]

its 8:22 am :v

[flint wave]

I still see sun over here

bruh

[shy willow]

currently 11pm in Singapore

[flint wave]

same

[night yarrow]

oregon? 👀

[flint wave]

no

[shy willow]

bros an owl

[night yarrow]

tell me it aint cali

[flint wave]

no

[night yarrow]

wah-wing-tim?

[flint wave]

[night yarrow]

I sleep now

buh-bye

[flint wave]

goodnight owl

[night yarrow]

good morning 👏

[shy willow]

twit twooo

[night yarrow]

[magic roost]

So if I’m building a striker dz kit, I still want my chc and chd but reroll for blue cores right?

[magic pilot]

Yes

Or can do headshot striker, don't advise that though

[magic roost]

Appreciate it. I’m not gonna do headshot. I like my Elmo’s

I think the hardest part is going to be finding a chest piece with obliterate on it already

[hazy steeple]

You're far better off looking for one with the right attributes and recalling the Talent.
if you are looking for one with Oblit for your Library though that's another matter and any will do.

[gentle lichen]

Yeah if you're still looking for talent just target chest

[vestal ibex]

PVP version tho.

So blue core rolled.

[gentle lichen]

Looking for the intimidate one 😿

[hazy steeple]

I mean either way: Countdown.

[acoustic coral]

I recall the days of my obliterate chest piece, oh those were the days, the good days.

[magic pilot]

I got blue core sokolov intimidate on pc and ps, grupo on ps

[magic pilot]

You can leave chest red core, 5 blue is fine

[magic roost]

This was the answer I was hoping for

I can just use my current chest

[gentle lichen]

Coyote's tho

[magic roost]

This is exactly what I was thinking while running my last cd

[magic pilot]

I run my crit version with 4

[fresh grove]

No it’s the memento, It’s pretty much bis for any build

[versed summit]

Not really. People just like to use it on every build. It’s solid for hybrids though

[vestal ibex]

Good for solo on a lot of builds too.

[fresh grove]

True, I think tux made a heartbreaker hybrid skill build with the memento not sure if that would work though

[vestal ibex]

HB with memento is gud yeah, idk about leaning on skills too much but with tech and memento I'd run a ceska minor and swap some blues for reds and call it a day.

[fresh grove]

That works too

[hexed steppe]

Tbh, when you add memento to a dps build you are effectively making it a skill hybrid. The skill efficiency is kinda the strongest part of it...

[versed summit]

I dunno tbh. 3% armor regen is kinda nuts. Like you can slot that into any build and just have 3% armor regen without changing any other pieces.

[hexed steppe]

Yeah the regen is nice, but its 1 dimensional. You'll most likely have a shield and some other skill you use

Alot of times memento is added for the cores that benefit the shield... but the skill health on the shield is improved 30%. I see about 2mil added to my bulwark on my reg HH just from the efficiency

[flint wave]

use the shield to keep ur broken armor covered

then it will regen back

[hexed steppe]

If you use a healing skill it benefits repair/haste/duration

Decoy haste/duration/increased threat from yellow core.

Offensive skills skill damage/status effects if applicable/haste/duration

It's definitely the hardest working single gear piece if its utilized well 😎

[vestal ibex]

I just don't see the hybrid skill when these are all just utility skills. They are much better because of the memento but idk a skill hybrid needs more skill focus imo. People run HHF with memento but I wouldn't call that a skill hybrid for the same reason.

[hexed steppe]

Depends how its utilized. If it's just a shield/revive I would tend to agree

Using a couple damage skills or damage/healing combo you'll utilize more of the efficiency

But Hf for example since used... the user will silently benefit from 30% status effects on the disorient. Shield if used will be stronger with cores/shield skill health combo. If they are using banshee which I think is common on cqb, it's another use of status effects as well as haste...

[vestal ibex]

I guess it depends on where you put your line for skill hybrid. If memento and 1 damage/heal skill is all you need to fit the bill I guess that's where you see it.

[shy basalt]

memento is just an extremely overstatted item lol. it's basically a HH in arpgs

if you're solo or duo, it'll simply beat most other options due to stat checking

[bitter orchid]

is 173 crit dmg and 52 crit chance good?

[flint wave]

That's the maximum(best ratio) you can get on striker

[hexed steppe]

Sounds like elmo coyote striker

[novel cosmos]

Man that's amazing, I still can't even get 150 dmg 😭

[bitter orchid]

and you're goddamn right

elmo is so good just because of those 20% crit dmg and chance

[novel cosmos]

My current Elmo Striker build is at 51.5/145.8

[bitter orchid]

remove the entire talent i would still use it

[flint wave]

make the weapon mods reasonable and keep the talent I would still use it

[bitter orchid]

change the mods then i would just use eagle bearer

[hexed steppe]

Yeah its solid. Something like nego will have a higher crit damage but it doesnt have the single target damage that striker has.

[rich lotus]

strained all day for nego

[spice moon]

Is DTA best in slot for the Iron Lung?

[flint wave]

no

crit chance Is better

[glossy scarab]

i like iron lung a lot but i only use it with braced or perfect braced because it makes the reload reasonable

[hexed steppe]

Flatline is really nice on nego. Elmo + flatline m1a cqb is kinda perfect

[spice moon]

I’m using it with 4 piece umbra and 3 piece striker (w ninjabike to connect them).

Trying to follow this build: https://youtu.be/3ZDP21B8TO0?si=XLtpl8M8dn85rbZs

[onyx sage]

so you have 5p umbra? what?

[hexed steppe]

Oh no
Not another ninja 🥷

[spice moon]

No, sorry. 3 umbra and 2 striker equipped

[onyx sage]

of course it's a kvd build

[spice moon]

Hahaha… that doesn’t sound good

[onyx sage]

well sometimes some youtubers post actually good builds, this one isn't one, but it isn't much coincidence that it comes from him

[rich lotus]

@hexed steppe im sure the weapon dmg vs crit dmg is comparible, but for me, i cannot stand linked laser pointer and i never use my heartbreaker build, it seems like it builds stacks when it wants to not even the actual conditions to do so are met

[onyx sage]

did you try to shoot minitanks, turrets or otherwise deployable skills

you can't build stacks from them

[spice moon]

Any recommendations for a good iron lung build?

[hexed steppe]

Luckily nego doesnt need stacks

Also flatline is amp

[rich lotus]

anything, i can put a linked laser on a famas (?) and just stand run around a heroic chungus or something and i swear despite hitting every single shot and seeing the pulse effect ill have like 1/2 the amount of stacks i should have

[onyx sage]

you can't put it on famas

m4 i can understand

[rich lotus]

yeah wasnt sure hence the ?, subsititute for high ROF AR

thats how long its been since i touched it

[onyx sage]

yeah no worries, maybe you're used to striker's stack building

HB depletes 2 stacks every second which is faster than striker at baseline

[hexed steppe]

Nice thing you dont have to run hb to use something like flatline

[onyx sage]

yeah, you just need technician

[hexed steppe]

But you do need the right weapons

[onyx sage]

...and an AR that lets you put linked laser

that's the biggest drawback tbh

[hexed steppe]

I use it on rifle only most of the time

I kinda run tech more anyways for the free core

[rich lotus]

i wish the dare actually had a long railed

or if the kingbreaker could actually build stacks

[onyx sage]

we all wish KB was good

[rich lotus]

shit hits like a god damn truck at max stacks, but i realize im just wasting time chasing the stacks to be able to get it to do so

[hexed steppe]

Acs...

[rich lotus]

im aware

[onyx sage]

yeah. like i talk and run meta like the next person but i also take into account practicality. KB isn't worth the effort for most people

[rich lotus]

building stacks then switching to it is wasting the time

running police m4 i could have already killed the mob at range

i kind of wish it handled worse but had a manageable rof to make even it out

i just think its silly that the two named weapons that kind of SHOULD pair with heartbreaker are not ideal to actually with heartbreaker

[shy basalt]

devs are spread too thin lol

there's likely a relatively small dev team; but they're spread between pve, pvp and game support

[hexed steppe]

Hb was basically relegated to the back burner the second they reworked/buffed striker.

[rich lotus]

true

[shy basalt]

so what ends up happening is that they try to make new content that appeals to all sorts of content

so they have to make pvp sets, and balance around pvp

[hexed steppe]

It's kinda too bad too. It's an interesting set

[shy basalt]

which IMO is a huge mistake

just fucking scrap pvp and focus on the part of the game which people actually like

destiny has a similar issue

[rich lotus]

i dont pvp, but i also dont discount it for keeping the game going for 5 years, all those division tubers as awful as most of them are are pvping and people watch them for pvp shit

[shy basalt]

yeah all 10 people watching

[flint wave]

that sounds reasonable

Not

[shy basalt]

a lot of games fall into this trap to be fair lmao

they try to do too much instead of just focusing on what they do best and what people want

[cyan drift]

Tank build I've been using for a while. Any ideas

For legendary I swap the belstone gloves for lengmo

[shy basalt]

which is why even though division heartlands is not my jam, I'm glad they're picking a direction and sticking to it

that focus is IMO, what made games like fortnite and warframe successful

fortnite scrapped their garbage PvE tower defense mode for the PvP battle royale that people now play mostly

and warframe likely focused very very hard on the PvE p2w/p2skip-grind progression side; which is what their audience wanted

when you try to do more than you can handle, you just end up with garbage everywhere

[spice moon]

thoughts on this iron lung build for pvp? https://youtu.be/WvKRpVubrNs?si=Cawle7b-b51prv3i

[flint wave]

They've already focused so much on pve

and still are

[shy basalt]

I haven't touched the game for a while cuz I've been playing other games, but isnt the last gear set they released entirely pvp based?

[flint wave]

no

[shy basalt]

the one where you get stacks when you move

and become charged or something

i dont see any potential use for that in pve at all

[flint wave]

Last gearset we got was aegis but ik what u talking about

Pvp wasn't the reason cavalier got nerfed

[shy basalt]

yeah I haven't been playing the game for a bit

[flint wave]

50% damage reduction for the entire team for existing looked insane and would've easily became a top tier tank set

[shy basalt]

but don't they also use the same values in pvp and pve

[flint wave]

now it's mid admittedly but it was necessaey

[shy basalt]

with numbers tweaked for weapon type

which afaik means any numbers changes to either pvp or pve will hit the other side

[flint wave]

some talents have different pvp values already

Eagle bearers talent goes from 30% accuracy to 100% accuracy for -5 tenacity duration in pvp

[shy basalt]

IMO that's a very rookie mistake for a game dev lol. first thing you do is split those out separately

[flint wave]

it is seperaye

[shy basalt]

otherwise you end up with shit like WoW rogue pvp 10 second stuns

i'm pretty sure strikers for example numerically functions the same way, the only thing that's separate is a damage multiplier for weapon type like SMGs do .8, ARs do .84, LMGs .86 so on so forth for pvp

is that wrong?

[flint wave]

yes some weapons have different damage nerf values in pvp

for good reason tho

[shy basalt]

well yes that's exactly what I'm saying lol

[flint wave]

everyone would be running an lmg now if it had the same damage nerf as an ar

[shy basalt]

that's exactly the problem right now is that the game has no identity, it has no idea what it wants to be

which is why IMO

div heartland and div3 i'm looking forwards to

because div HL is more of a PvP extraction/world experience for people who like that

whereas I'm hoping div3 is more of a progression/looter pve experience with diff types of builds/ways to play it, which is the type of game I want

div HL is a skip for me, but i'm glad it exists

[rich cosmos]

While I do highly doubt it I would prefer div3 being entirely a pve game but thats just not happening

[rich lotus]

I probably shouldn't say this because I do hope the team aspires to something greater, but if d3 is just a fresh coat of paint im still buying it

[gentle lichen]

NUH UH

Heartland's pvpve looking decent tho

[rich lotus]

its not a division replacement (source participated in the first 2 betas)

do all the RPK variants have the same amount of mod slots and base damage?/

[gentle lichen]

Fairly certain

They're 3 correct?

[rich lotus]

or 4

[magic pilot]

Military, classic and black market

I think BM doesn't take linked laser

I know classic and military do

Handling is the only other difference

[rich lotus]

ty!

[pulsar fog]

Returning player here. Just wondering the best ways or really just some advice on making builds. Considering running striker if thats still a thing

[versed summit]

Striker is still a thing and very much the meta. Best advice I can give is to look at the pinned spreadsheet and look how builds are put together. Kinda tells you what you need to do whether you’re putting a meta build together or just experimenting.

[pulsar fog]

Thanks a lot I appreciate the help!

[magic pilot]

DZ ready

[fallen comet]

nice unicorn you got there

[magic pilot]

Thanks

[tulip charm]

Well that was quick

[fallen comet]

i only got a fenris one...gotta get to work

[sterile sequoia]

Any advice for improvement? (besides expertise ofc)

[magic pilot]

What lol

[magic pilot]

Craft a setup bp