td2-build-advice

[rich lotus]

Yep

[surreal depot]

Stop raiding with that group

[onyx sage]

you can do striker elmo just fine

[surreal depot]

🧹

[gloomy hollow]

It's my favorite gun so i just like using it alot

[onyx sage]

teach me solo zoo no shield

[onyx sage]

you can use it, just not where it matters the most

[gloomy hollow]

Will the build i posted above work for now?

[onyx sage]

for raids? absolutely

[gloomy hollow]

Meeting new people is hard though

[gloomy hollow]

Is there anything you'd recommend to make it a bit better or is it pretty alright?

I kinda dont like that i dont have any armor

[onyx sage]

i'd swap the chest piece to one that uses obliterate

[surreal depot]

Step 1 equip the chameleon

[gloomy hollow]

Step 2 uninstall the ads

[onyx sage]

just because you don't need glass cannon to make the build work and obliterate doesn't make you take more damage

[tawdry flare]

Step 2 use 6pcs 5.11

[onyx sage]

however, if you can play with glass cannon it will teach you a lot

[surreal depot]

Force urself to GC morozova if ur not doing faradead ngl

[gloomy hollow]

Does obliterate drop on the regular verison of the chest piece gear set

[surreal depot]

Just LFG

[acoustic coral]

that's kinda 5Head, just get an adblocker and all you have to fight is the boss

[surreal depot]

chopper skip

[gloomy hollow]

But strikers stacks 🙁

[onyx sage]

yes

[gloomy hollow]

Welp to countdown I go

[gloomy hollow]

hear me out is it possible to solo

[acoustic coral]

Easy to stack to 100 on a boss

[surreal depot]

Discovery yes

[acoustic coral]

If the Black Tusk can be annoying and take forever to land in a chopper, then so can we!

[dusky cradle]

How do you LFG in game for invaded missions

[hexed steppe]

Hover over invaded mission on map, hold g to select difficulty. Hover again quick press g to open matchmaking and space I think to start

[hazy steeple]

What 'deck said is 100% right, but also you'll probably find a full team a lot faster if you just start the mission (challenging or heroic) and "call for backup", then recall each some someone joins.

[dusky cradle]

Oh stupid me, thought I was going crazy as it wasn't in the LFG menu lol

[acoustic coral]

Note for the invaded missions - at the beginning of the week, matchmaking will be quick for them (on Heroic atleast). Dies out during the week ofcourse

[hazy steeple]

Honestly, people just like joining for the Shepard Rank, so make sure you always give them a vote if it doesn't do it automatically via a level-up.

[dusky cradle]

Oh darn it, it's only a minimum of hard for me, been trying to do 1 last one then a stronghold

[fresh grove]

You’re going to gain stacks at a meter at the bottom of your hud and once you draw your pistol and shoot you consume the stacks

[wheat anchor]

L take from that group

Theres nothing wrong with someone running striker elmos

To help with clearing adds

[tulip charm]

Striker is basically the best for DH

and for Grey and Moro

[wheat anchor]

Strikers is a generic build that most raiders dont mind

Unless you're actually doing the strats you run strikers

Everyone else just runs a headshot based build

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[shy willow]

everyone who tells you not to run strikers on a raid, I want what they're smoking

[magic pilot]

Elmo's isn't great in the raid but striker is fine

You can stack in almost all the areas

Honestly for Williams turrets it's super easy to max stacks

[shy willow]

gray and morozova are great for strikers and you can on Williams turrets iirc

fieser you can't though

I'd probably recommend a FAMAS or something though yeah cuz Elmo can break shit

[magic pilot]

Definitely something with fast hands

F2k would be good since you don't need the extra handling

[shy willow]

I wonder if fast hands on shotguns is the definitive way to go for tube fed

[magic pilot]

I just got a god rolled six 12 the other day

Dtooc

[shy willow]

ive always wondered if I'm the only one who remembers the lefty being a six12 at some point

I coulda sworn it was

[magic pilot]

It was in pts

The dmg of six12 but fire rate and mag of the acs

[shy willow]

sounds balanced

[magic pilot]

That was just lefty though

[shy willow]

got a purple prophet as a souvenir item too

[tulip charm]

Well it was an six12 with acs stats when it went live

[tawdry flare]

Need purple acs 12 with fast hands

[wooden hamlet]

ay does how much hazpro it got on it ive been needing a good back fire build

i run a backfire with strikers

and it gets up too 900k damg

but the bleed kills me fast then ads

[patent elm]

there is no good backfire build, but if you really want to run backfire you want about 96 ish % bleed resistance and its not really feasable to get there on striker

[acoustic coral]

Need two bleed resist mods and then it's there to toy around with, as Aspect has in the guide

[patent elm]

swap one sokolov to providence

[wise swallow]

🤨

[acoustic coral]

Not looking for advice :))

[patent elm]

wdym not looking for advice, its simply better

oh nvm, I didnt look properly and thought the memento was ninjaback

[hexed steppe]

Elmo striker with oblit chest and striker bag can hit crits 1.2mil solo... no bleed to worry about either

[onyx sage]

just beware if you kill too fast with elmo you get aimbot accusations. i've been there

[hexed steppe]

Fuck em , let them cry

[onyx sage]

like they haven't even used elmo once

[stiff jasper]

95.1% or above

[solar token]

how optimized do y'all reckon my red dps build should be before i can join a raid/legendary lfg without being called slurs

[wise swallow]

as long as you got the right pieces and right rolls youll be fine

legendary your gonna wanna be above 85% rolls

not that I think youll get kicked you just wont have a fun time

[onyx sage]

if your build is too bad or too good you'll be trash talked either way

the key is knowing which end you're at

[wise swallow]

who deleted my first comment

[onyx sage]

for raids, the standard is the all high end build with 50% chc 150% chd as they all say

but you can just use striker with ceska obliterate

which is also used in legendary

[hazy steeple]

Although worth noting that on Leg/Incursions, it's usually better to use the Striker chest variation, and making the knees/holster/or gloves a Ceska.

[wise swallow]

is striker chest worth in raids?

I dont remember how tanky ads are

[surreal depot]

This question highly depends

[hazy steeple]

I don't think a Raid would really let you maintain the 100+ stacks too evenly overall, so I'd stick with Oblit for Raids.

honestly, you don't even need the striker chest for leg/incursions, just it's nice to have since it lets you go higher.

[onyx sage]

striker chest in raids is used in some encounters like razorback in DH where you can just stack whenever

exactly as rivens said, sometimes you might even enjoy oblit chest more because you can stack your damage faster

[surreal depot]

But you are

[onyx sage]

💀

[lofty forum]

@broken edge how to show the build?

[tulip charm]

Ok what do you want to do

[broken edge]

too much skill cores, replace chest, backpack and knee for stuff with red damage core

stuff like Araldi or providence

glass cannon really makes you take a lot more damage so switching for more sniper specific skills like focus, or headhunter would make sense, if you think you are dying too fast there is also unbreakable that could be used

most common talent reccomendation for backpack is vigilance

switch the drone or turret for decoy skill

try to get habsburg mask also to replace that one

you want more red cores than blue cores, lot of headshot damage, and the talents you test out a little if you think you want survival or damage

[lofty forum]

this r the best i have so far

[broken edge]

keep the fox knee pads, you dont need that many copies of aegis, keep one for each slot and break or guard the rest

you will need to farm for more pieces of the rest i said

[lofty forum]

i focused on aegis n all got bad stats so i never used them once

[surreal depot]

Bro got skill dmg foxes at shd 13

Do not recalibrate tbh

[onyx sage]

💀

[warm knot]

Lol, those are pretty easy to find. But I didn't knew you could use them for skill builds...

[waxen grotto]

anyone got a build that makes pistol one shot shit or does insane dmg

[patent fossil]

like this one?
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/sh/a7f5c11a-6dfd-226c-836b-18e272395d1c/44191b2cdedaa56a2ada9a1d98cefe71

if you don't have a regulus, a determined D50 is next best option

[waxen grotto]

how much dmg does it do

[patent fossil]

as much as you're going to get out of a pistol - certainly enough to one-tap elites in heroic solo with HH stacks only (~15m), more when DCH is charged up

[waxen grotto]

alr also how do i make my dmg indicator be like ina lire insteadof a spread thing

[glossy scarab]

select floating dmg numbers in the settings somewhere

[waxen grotto]

i cant find it

[glossy scarab]

i cant remember what category its in. gameplay or UI maybe

[waxen grotto]

ohh i found it

its scrollig combat text

[hexed steppe]

the dttooc is only useful on oxidizer skill builds. doesnt help other skills, except one of the firefly variants *.

[warm knot]

What about the hive then?

Doesn't it counts as out of cover?

[hexed steppe]

no

explosive/fire skills will benefit from dta. so skill damage contractors, dta on weapon

oxi also benefits from dta

also its damage to targets out of cover so applies to npcs out of cover. doesnt take into account if you/skill is out of cover

[warm knot]

I'm running it like this @dull ermine

not sure if I should swap the mask for a Grupo one

[dull ermine]

Grupo will give more dmg

Oh ur getting dta

[warm knot]

The ninjabike thing is that u can activate the +15% chd from sokolov

[dull ermine]

I mean you hit more chd than me with ninjabike

With memento I hit like 140

[warm knot]

Sorry what? I'm really bad whith abbreviations

[dull ermine]

But by that point I’d just rather run grupo with a talent and get more chd with a survivability talent

[onyx sage]

damage to armor

[dull ermine]

Damage to armor

[onyx sage]

or run memento

[warm knot]

Ih yea, from wh

[onyx sage]

you don't really use 2 w&h for the dta

[dull ermine]

Like for me the easiest talent to run with HF smg for damage is concussion

But if you want more consistency you can run wicked but it will be down until your first up close kill

[onyx sage]

mostly it's from shotguns or contractor's gloves

[dull ermine]

Even unstoppable force imo would be better than not having a backpack talent

You could run bloody knuckles or coyotes and run backpack talent and still get more use out of the talents bc damage that are easy to proc (my personal preference tho)

Memento for me = survivability

[warm knot]

I actually tried a memento version of this

With hf mask... But I dunno.... I worked fine for solo, even if the damage wasn't that great

But it's hard for me to rely on memento for group play

[dull ermine]

Oh yea that’s true

[warm knot]

Btw, I got more consistent dmg with intimidate instead of obliterate

But that only worked for the summit

In open world obliterate hits harder

[dull ermine]

Cause it stacks faster

Intimidate is amp damage

[onyx sage]

obliterate is also amp if you don't use backpack talent that gives twd

it's just intimidate stacking faster and giving a whopping 40%

[wooden hamlet]

is it max optimized and expertise ? also do you think you could show me the format of the build so i could make the exact build?

[acoustic coral]

Coyote mask, ceska obliterate chest, 4pc striker, max rolled with Elmo equipped:
52% CHC, 173% CHD

1.2M is headshot crits no expertise iirc

[wooden hamlet]

and u got dmg to tgt out of cvr ?

on the elmo

[acoustic coral]

Ye

[wooden hamlet]

alr cool

thanks

it can solo legendary too or no ?

[hexed steppe]

something like this. mine does have expertise but stats that Rudy listed sound about right

[wooden hamlet]

your strikers has what other attributes?

looks like CHD ? is it

[hexed steppe]

all chd, coyote/ceska have chc rolls as secondary. 52% chc, and probably the 173 chd that is listed above

[wooden hamlet]

ok ok nice

for solo legenday or just heroic ?

im askin if it can do that

[hexed steppe]

the big difference is you wont need to ramp up 4mags to get full benefit like you do backfire

[wooden hamlet]

right

[hexed steppe]

it probably can, you might want some blue cores

[wooden hamlet]

ok cool

[acoustic coral]

I want to like the Backfire build from Aspect (just missing the damn bleed resist mods rn), but the fact it's 200 stacks on the weapon and they run out within 10 seconds? Urgh..

[onyx sage]

absolutely

[hexed steppe]

for really tanky enemies you would want the striker chest as a backup for quick swapping. chest offers higher damage ceiling if you can keep the stacks

[wooden hamlet]

bet

[wooden hamlet]

yes sucks i think they should try and help it

without breakin the rest of the game

[ornate dome]

I'm new, why is your strikers blue?

[onyx sage]

colorblind setting

[hexed steppe]

color blind mode

[ornate dome]

Ah

[wooden hamlet]

why have color blind does it help ?

[onyx sage]

it displays some AOE radii that the non-colorblind doesn't

like enemy mortars

[ornate dome]

I played this game back when it first came out, fell out of love with it, and I'm just coming back now does anybody have any advice for me? I'm running 4 pc strikers and 2 pc ferris AB

[hexed steppe]

youll see outlines on hive/chem/grenade radius

[ornate dome]

I want to become the best in this game, it sounds corny I just dk how else to say it, but I don't know where to start.

[wooden hamlet]

hm nice ill try it out

[ornate dome]

Whats the most meta build and weapon?

[hexed steppe]

see what i posted just above

[wooden hamlet]

thanks you guys

[onyx sage]

unfortunately, there are multiple

depends on your playstyle and skill

[acoustic coral]

IMO it should work more like striker stacks with them decaying rather than just poof gone. Could keep it at 200 max, each hit gives 2 stacks and then the decay is 1 stack pr. X

[wooden hamlet]

also what do u guys think of hybrid builds?

[hexed steppe]

depends on the hybrid. if its ninja, just no

[ornate dome]

I'm very face tankey. I had 6 pc strikers classy on div1. I like to kill players quick and move onto the next one. What do you recommend?

[wooden hamlet]

yea thats alot better

[onyx sage]

in div2 ttk for both you and npcs are very low

[hexed steppe]

if its memento you can make some viable hybrids

[onyx sage]

so you can't face tank and kill without sacrificing some damage

[wooden hamlet]

like a healer dps and ofc its gonna run on ninja

[onyx sage]

if you're after that classy striker feeling in div1, you won't find it here

[hexed steppe]

look into red fi in the build spreadsheet attached to this channel.

[acoustic coral]

Like I'm not trying to make it busted but losing 200 stacks after 10 seconds? LOL
I like the idea of the build, might run it a bit (maybe I'll send it over to my alt), but I'd rather not be annoyed after every encounter

[hexed steppe]

itll be team based im guessing and opportunistic will go a lot further for the team

[waxen grotto]

whts ur highest dmg per bullet

[ornate dome]

Honestly? I like to play aggressive. High armor and DPS is my type of thing. I'm not much of a skill user unless it's the shield. I could do well with a meta shield build.

[onyx sage]

BUT, you can kill before you are killed, and you can be very good at it. there are many builds that favor aggression

[hexed steppe]

somewhere around 1.2 crit

[waxen grotto]

oh ok

[wooden hamlet]

yea it does indeed suck to lose them after only one fight

[waxen grotto]

so HB rlly is better then

[onyx sage]

there are some that you can put on some armor and still deal enough damage while being survivable, and there are some where you can one-tap the enemy

consistently, at that, but you'll be paper thin

[ornate dome]

@onyx sage just pinging so you see this

[waxen grotto]

why do people play striker instead of hb

[onyx sage]

yeah i saw, i think you can play heartbreaker or blue striker. heartbreaker is the closest feeling to div1, but it's not going to be the same

[waxen grotto]

ye

[onyx sage]

_ _

heartbreaker doesn't gain stacks on skills

like striker in div1

plus striker just straight up deals more damage

[acoustic coral]

Striker is the highest single target dps in the game

[hexed steppe]

hb also has a limited weapon set thatll work for it, and also locks you to tech spec for the linked laser

[onyx sage]

HB also loses stacks faster than striker if you don't run striker chest

basically boils down to striker being more universal and dealing more damage

[ornate dome]

Honestly when I finish my build I'm probably going to PVP a shit ton I just want something good for PVP lol

[hexed steppe]

youll want highend then

[ornate dome]

High-end is a gear swtM

Set?

[hexed steppe]

no it all yellow pieces

no green

[ornate dome]

I have so much to learn lol and I thought division 1 was confusing

[hexed steppe]

yeah its way deeper build mechanics

[warm knot]

Actually I find it easier to assemble the build than division 1. I managed to get all the exotic gear from div 1, but only got 1 full classified build so far.

[hexed steppe]

another good dps that gets overlooked by newer agents is nego... but nego is 😍 . js

yeah farming is easier

but you have a wider variety of choices and still be viable

[waxen grotto]

how much does that do per bullet

[hexed steppe]

its lower per bullet. like 700-800k crits, but if you have 3 npcs marks crat damage transfers to all marks. so a 700k crit is doing 2.1m across the 3 targets

[waxen grotto]

k

[hexed steppe]

striker and nego are the top 2 dps sets. striker is highest single target damage, nego is highest multi target damage

[waxen grotto]

my hb does 1.4 mil tho

[hexed steppe]

nego also doesnt have ramp up and works well with rifles

[acoustic coral]

Picture of build and the hit, solo, please

[hexed steppe]

yeah fr

[waxen grotto]

k hol up

leme finish my mission rq

[hexed steppe]

make sure you check body crits and head crits

[waxen grotto]

k

[hexed steppe]

im gonna have to check striker with its chest to get an actual top damage number

[hexed steppe]

probably a kb or something . hb is limited weapon set

[acoustic coral]

👉👈

[glossy scarab]

🏈

[acoustic coral]

🫷🫸

[glossy scarab]

nice goal posts

[acoustic coral]

(Math doesn't let HB KB do more dmg than striker, otherwise that would be the recommended one)

[hexed steppe]

yeah idk. its higher base damage with lower rpm . just comparing crits probably wont tell the whole story

i know with 25 expertise elmo on the standard setup on close target its
oblit 1.1m body/1.3 head
striker chest 1.3body /1.6head

[dull ermine]

If running lmg and you can only choose between contractors or fox prayers which is better?

[onyx sage]

contractor

[dull ermine]

So the fox prayers wouldn’t be worth it to have a multiplier even on health damage?

[onyx sage]

wasted brand

[dull ermine]

Oh okay

[onyx sage]

and you already have dttooc

[hexed steppe]

yeah contractors is double benefit

[waxen grotto]

alr leme test my dmg

might not be 1.4 since i just realised i had a future initiative in my team

[dull ermine]

Going on the topic of attribute for the lmg if you have enough crit chance… DTA or ROF for the same build you can only use contractors

I’m guessing ROF

[hexed steppe]

i think rof was suggested because its a direct dps increase, dont quote me since ill probably be corrected in a second 😅

[onyx sage]

don't run rof if you already have striker

[dull ermine]

I remember someone said having 2 stacks of DTA was diminishing

It’s a high end build

[waxen grotto]

this ius wht im using

its 1.2

but i got 3 amor core and like 3 expertise

so it could prolly be doing alot more

but yea striker does do more dps

[hexed steppe]

its still good, no doubt. but it is lower overall dps because of the lower rof.

[waxen grotto]

yea

elmos rof pretty insane

[hexed steppe]

but it still slaps, with good survivability

[waxen grotto]

ye

[hexed steppe]

whats are your headshots

[waxen grotto]

oh those were the head shots lol

[hexed steppe]

all good

[waxen grotto]

yea mb 👍

[hexed steppe]

nah you gold man. we always check and question everything. kinda the nature of building

[onyx sage]

especially me

i will question you if you're sus

watch out 👀

[waxen grotto]

fr

[hexed steppe]

😆

[onyx sage]

i put a lot of the theorycrafting here into practice, and it's legendary level advice

[night yarrow]

and what do said stacks do?

[onyx sage]

increases your weapon damage for that single shot

[night yarrow]

by how much?

[onyx sage]

1000% at max stacks

you'll do almost 6 times your original damage

[night yarrow]

so 30000 x 6 in my case

shotgun m45a1

its nice

but datagloves are better tbh

[onyx sage]

can't compare them, different use cases

one is for a support build and one is for a damage build

[night yarrow]

which is which?

[onyx sage]

it's obvious

[night yarrow]

either could be used for either

[onyx sage]

datagloves is for support build

[night yarrow]

hive could be big dps or support

[onyx sage]

mostly it's for support

[night yarrow]

I use datagloves for stinger

[onyx sage]

your hive won't be carrying your team damage

[night yarrow]

it will when ur solo lmao

[onyx sage]

well if you're solo there are better builds

stinger hive isn't that good either

[night yarrow]

ongoing directive seems to work well even solo

[ancient dune]

Is this purely through the lens of a skill build

[night yarrow]

that my friend, is an opinion

[night yarrow]

yes and no

I am speaking from ex ongoing directive abuser

[onyx sage]

well, i don't think you have too much experience in this game yet so i'll spare you the thorough explanations

[night yarrow]

I'm not going lvl 40

[onyx sage]

exactly

[night yarrow]

I don't want to either, darkzone wouldn't be great

[onyx sage]

you don't need to do dz

it is never needed

[night yarrow]

my pc is too shit and most the time my fps goes into the nagatives when someone goes rouge on me

[night yarrow]

its fun

[onyx sage]

but when we're giving you advice it's coming from a community that's played this game to death and knows its ins and outs

[night yarrow]

I understand

I just play really stupid not the most effective ways

[ancient dune]

Is this also in the context of pvp

[night yarrow]

no

[ancient dune]

BC the holster is nerfed to hell in PvP it does like 30% extra damage or something

[night yarrow]

oh thats stupid

wait

does btsu mean black tusk special unit or smth?

[onyx sage]

yes

[night yarrow]

it should not have taken me this long to learn that considering I wear the btsu shirt and use the gloves

I'm smart :]

ofc I made the stupid choice of making a skill build the SECOND all my boys go to NYC without me

end me

[waxen grotto]

nyc is worth fr

[night yarrow]

I really want the cmmg products

DAYUM my game broke asf

[waxen grotto]

fr

[night yarrow]

btw tactical super 90 sbs 🔛 🔝

best shotgun in the game

screw the exotic stat blaster

[hexed steppe]

super90 is solid. headhunter+m870 is king

[night yarrow]

the military m870 is pretty much the only good non-named m870

mcs and express can die

[tulip charm]

Cope

They’re all the same. Idk if they use the same attachments or not.

[night yarrow]

one has a mid mag tube and the other is simply too much

who tf needs allat rail

[onyx sage]

i mean they all deal the same damage so they're practically the same

[night yarrow]

and this is why I'm not the best for build adcive, I put alot of effort into using what I would be more comfortable with irl

[onyx sage]

you're chatting in build advice bro

[night yarrow]

I came here bcs I can't post photos in general

[onyx sage]

you can post in #ask-td2-community

[night yarrow]

thank you

[shy willow]

Warlords goes on 70 percent off quite frequently if you want it

[night yarrow]

I got 10 bucks so I should be good

[shy willow]

Get yourself warlords and get a reul build

[fresh grove]

I think it’s 1,000% at max stacks iirc

[night yarrow]

are you calling my build fake?

[shy willow]

Its melee

[night yarrow]

lies

[shy willow]

When you get to level 40 you can copy that setup and see for yourself what I mean

[night yarrow]

rephrase

[shy willow]

It’s trash

[night yarrow]

I'm not exactly planning on using this build as lvl 40

I'm gonna prob be going back to ongoing directive and using the cmmg banshee

[shy willow]

OD is probs better as a support set

[night yarrow]

I'm solo as of current bcs all my friends are in NYC

[shy willow]

Post WONY start with strikers or hunters fury

[night yarrow]

wot

[shy willow]

NYC

[night yarrow]

I understood WONY

not the rest

[solar sable]

He means Striker or HF builds.

[shy willow]

They’re gearsets

[solar sable]

well, almost same thing (not really)

[night yarrow]

that explains why I'm not familiar

I've been considering future initiative but I haven't done it yet bcs its abit passive

[shy willow]

Future initiative is an excellent support set

[night yarrow]

its just abit too support for me

I liked helping my buddies by giving out free hollow point

[shy willow]

That’s what it’s there for to support

[night yarrow]

not getting hit is a concept I struggle with

I run Zero F's for a reason

I would like to not one thing tho, I am overly excited for exotic backpacks

not sure why at all

I hope they live up to the mental hype

[shy willow]

Its one you’ll have to learn to understand if you wanna push up to heroic

[shy willow]

Only one does

[night yarrow]

I have been getting better at it as I for some reason TRY to lower my armor

and I have stopped using repair skills

bcs lets be honest, if I'm gonna be a good support I can't hog all the repairs

[night yarrow]

tell me more

[shy willow]

The memento

Has a skill core, armour core, and a red core

Drops trophies on kills that provide short term and long term buffs

[night yarrow]

sounds op asf

whats the catch

[tulip charm]

Well its very strong in solo

Not so good in group

[night yarrow]

as for the other backpacks?

[shy willow]

You have to make the kill

[night yarrow]

:sadge:

damn you ubisoft

[shy willow]

The go bag is good for oxidizers but that’s all I know, ninjabike is just a meme piece

[shy willow]

In solo it’s pretty broken but in groups it’s not that good for that reason

[night yarrow]

I'm intimately familiar with oxidizer after gunner field research

I spent like 5 hours trying to use a gun on him then just made a crazy oxidizer build and smoked him in under a minute

[flint wave]

work smarter

[night yarrow]

pass

I'm an ex stalker player, working smarter is not a concept I can accept

[hoary light]

what rolls should I be looking for in The Lefty as a secondary for my striker build?

[shy willow]

Dttooc

[hoary light]

talent?

[shy willow]

Lefty is a named item

[hoary light]

oh right, thanks

[night yarrow]

what does CMMG Banshee accel in?

[versed summit]

Well it's generally the highest damage HE SMG, so that I guess

[night yarrow]

whats its rpm?

[versed summit]

950. You can always check weapons stats in the pinned spreadsheet tho

[wise swallow]

its okay

Not bad DPS wise, if you like the gun for whatever its more then capable of heroic stuff

[night yarrow]

"its more then capable of heroic stuff" do you mean in heroic difficulty?

[wise swallow]

Yes

[night yarrow]

oh heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell yeah

[dull ermine]

Banshee imo is the most balanced smg rn for one mag multi kills

[night yarrow]

I have a very odd question, I don

't have NYC yet

[dull ermine]

Mp7 whilst strong can’t really 1 mag multiple elites

[night yarrow]

what is the most similar smg to banshee

I want practice b4 I get around to it

[night yarrow]

mp7 is amazing

it can 1 mag elites with hollow point

[dull ermine]

Most similar imo is mpx or mp7

Ouroboros is the strongest smg but I prefer these for maintaining sustained damage

[night yarrow]

I don't want nothing crazy unreal

I want something I would reasonably use irl

[dull ermine]

What makes the mp7 fall short is its 40 mag but if you can forgt that that it’s pretty strong

So tldr about mp7 it’s not good for multi killing bc short mag

Well for my uses mpx and mp7 seem to handle range better than banshee

[night yarrow]

how is a 40 mag a bad thing?

[dull ermine]

Because other smgs have a 52 mag

You lose 50 rpm but gain more ammo and more damage over time

[night yarrow]

I aint using stendo for the banshee

it doesn't even fit the mag well

[dull ermine]

Wait hold up are you prioritizing the aesthetics over utility

I mean if that’s your cup of tea but you could have said that

[night yarrow]

I usually am willing to sacrafice a little bit but the banshee mag thing is just too far

it doesn't even go in the god damn mag well

[dull ermine]

It does, you just don’t think it does 😏

The mag well is the first available hole

[rich lotus]

Anyone have any advice for a nice armor regen build

[dull ermine]

I like umbra initiative but hunters fury works well

[night yarrow]

so let me get this straight, your saying "it just doesn't look like it goes in the mag well" followed by " it isn't in the mag well"

brilliant

[dull ermine]

I’m saying it goes where it goes lol

The mag well you see may not be the mag well you seek

[night yarrow]

this Is why I think they shoulda made a proprietary 10mm cartridge

muzzles be damned just throw a mag or two for 10mm out there and call it a day

mp7 uses 5.56 muzzles

my eng right now is just, lovely

[dull ermine]

Ayt ima stop here, I only care for the aesthetics of old rifles lol

[night yarrow]

you like the 1886?

[dull ermine]

You mean do I have like 20 of them

Perhaps

[night yarrow]

that is me but ongoing directive backpack

[dull ermine]

Any wooden gun in this game I go nuts for

[night yarrow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/489468635333656576/1221322852569976832/image.png?ex=6612288b&is=65ffb38b&hm=7947032d8003163bfa0071682497f540ad6303ff789cd1077859baf66ca3a9c4&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=380&height=350

[dull ermine]

You can get od in base game?

Whaaaaat

[night yarrow]

YEAH?!?

how did you not know this

[dull ermine]

Because expansion creates a new endgame

And most of the shiny things are locked to expansion

[night yarrow]

such as?

[dull ermine]

Once you get the expansion all ur gear will be useless

[night yarrow]

ik

[dull ermine]

Except exotics

[night yarrow]

my btsu gloves are saved!

[dull ermine]

But brands such as ceska, grupo, belstone etc

[night yarrow]

I have never heard of those in my life

[dull ermine]

They’re CIA sanctioned 👁️

[night yarrow]

does the year 1 pass missions give you em or smth?

[dull ermine]

Something

[night yarrow]

so are those brands useless or are you just gonna have to obtain higher end gear pieces from set brands?

and tell me this, do I have to let go of wyvern wear?

[dull ermine]

They make other brands obselete basically

[night yarrow]

(my beloved)

[dull ermine]

So ceska and grupo eliminate the need for running 2 pc Sokolova and 3 piece providence to achieve getting crit chance bonuses

You get the stacking bonuses from those pieces individually from ceska and grupo

[night yarrow]

who tf runs crit bonuses

[dull ermine]

Meaning you need less pieces to achieve damage

Bruh

[night yarrow]

just get better base dmg for the weapon type you use

[dull ermine]

I dare you right now to play space admin mission on heroic

Go to the mission, change difficulty to heroic

[night yarrow]

why?

[dull ermine]

You’ll find out why

[onyx sage]

they're straight up better than weapon damage bonuses in crit builds

because you already have too much weapon damage running red cores

[night yarrow]

what you mean "too much"

[onyx sage]

you have too much weapon damage from red cores for weapon damage brands to be worth it

[night yarrow]

fair enough

[onyx sage]

red cores, weapon damage brands and expertise (if you don't know this don't worry about it) all add to the same multiplier, and the value that the brands bring is less than that of crit brands, crit adds to its own multiplier and isn't as diluted as the weapon damage multiplier. let's just put it at that

[shy willow]

Because crits are better

Everyone runs crits on a good DPS build unless you count hotshot

[flint wave]

Who counts headhunter as a dps

💀

[magic pilot]

Striker headshot?

[flint wave]

That's just worse

[magic pilot]

No it's not lmao

Headshot will always outdps crit

[flint wave]

good luck with that in practice

[tawdry flare]

Drones and bots

[flint wave]

no bighorn

[magic pilot]

To targets with heads

[flint wave]

U got 100% headshot rate?

[magic pilot]

Almost 20% overall

[tawdry flare]

Remember some guy who took regulus in hot dog manhunt

[magic pilot]

Once I get regulus on pc it's over for everyone

Getting nearly 20% headshot with an ouro is already nuts

[tawdry flare]

Gl with bots and stuff

[flint wave]

yeah that striker headshot regulus combo

Gonna carry

[magic pilot]

Best boss burn build

[tawdry flare]

Rip Oreo Scorpio is bettter

[magic pilot]

My Scorpio has chc im poor

[flint wave]

Chc is second best attribute anyeqys

and scorpio has 10% chc

[tawdry flare]

1 Scorpio is must for boss burns

[flint wave]

so 9.5 chc is good

[tawdry flare]

In incursion

Or general boss burns

20% team buff to target is nuts

[magic pilot]

Man do I boot up the pc

I'm so tired

[tawdry flare]

I can carry rn

[flint wave]

running scorpio because six12 outdps ouro :chad:

[magic pilot]

Damn it

I'm getting on

[flint wave]

he was forced to play on pc

at tired times

[magic pilot]

Feels like it sometimes when I talk to souless

[onyx sage]

i'm also awake you know

[magic pilot]

Aw shit

[flint wave]

[magic pilot]

This is bullying I think

[flint wave]

should've never got a pc

[magic pilot]

I'm getting an error🤣

[flint wave]

delta is next

[magic pilot]

Bravo-04

I need an adult

[tawdry flare]

@onyx sage playing tidal?

[onyx sage]

no, just field testing iron lung

[tawdry flare]

Test sleipner swap chain

[magic pilot]

My division 2 is alive

After a quick restart

[flint wave]

how did we get here

[onyx sage]

lmao

[flint wave]

rip warhound

[red stirrup]

Hi, I’m new to the game and looking for a good and competitive conflict build? Been looking all over YouTube but it seems most of them are for the dz and I don’t think I’m well equipped enough to make my own person build just yet

[solar sable]

@red stirrup
Here are some of the beginner builds

[red stirrup]

Do you know what the attributes are?

To the third build*^

[solar sable]

@magic pilot these are your builds lol

[shy willow]

I would assume crits

[solar sable]

1CHD - 1CHC ig

[red stirrup]

Thank you guys! I’ll have a little more of a look when I get home : )

[magic pilot]

What about them?

[solar sable]

^

[magic pilot]

Third one is all Chd/chc

[rich lotus]

I can never find the damage calculations

[bitter orchid]

why can't i put crit damage on it? i have it in my library tho?

[onyx sage]

you can't put it twice

[bitter orchid]

damn that sucks

what is this?

[magic pilot]

Rikers material

[bitter orchid]

thank you

[acoustic coral]

That's what she sa....

[vapid hamlet]

😂

[muted dagger]

Anyone have a good dps build for incursion that's not Striker's? I know it's easy dps but I don't want to restrict myself to Striker's for everything

[solar sable]

check the spreadsheet pinned here

[muted dagger]

Which one? The compendium?

[versed summit]

The “Division 2 Spreadsheet”

[rich lotus]

Or broad into healer build

Makes life tons easier if you have 3 other good dps and gives you the chance for the flawless

[muted dagger]

I guess I've got 2 builds to look for now

[dull ermine]

People who use bullet king 😭

[dull ermine]

What did your test reveal if I may ask?

[dull ermine]

Red heartbreaker but don’t let your teammates know or they won’t shut up

They will assume you have strikers because you have to do the same thing to get both to work (ACS stack) 😂

If you run minimum 1 armor core and stand in the back during lovebirds you should be able to keep vigilance up

Otherwise companion is better

[rich lotus]

💀

[versed summit]

I used to like red heartbreaker but it’s just mid compared to striker’s tbh. The bonus armor is useless IMO

At least for red HB

[dull ermine]

The bonus armor needs more armor cores when solo because enemies aren’t so tanky

[rich lotus]

At that point if you're going by stacks might as well use strikers

[dull ermine]

But in scaled content it works imo

[rich lotus]

I think he wants something more like gold hybrid

[dull ermine]

I like using it during boomer kiting bc I can sit there and let him keep swinging his big minigun in my face

[rich lotus]

Good at the end if you want to play tent

[rich lotus]

Until you get the suicidal team mates that wants to go near you eventhough you been on the corner alone for the past minute

[dull ermine]

I usually run out of ammo for the acs if that’s the case and start running through the computers 😂

Idek how this one guy kept getting the eye during one of my kiting sessions and I kinda gave up tryna steal it back cause he kept shooting boomers chest

[rich lotus]

I just run healer build there though tbh

Drop a hive on the middle of the computers and get to kiting

[rich lotus]

They kept shooting him when not needed and got yer damn aggro

Hate when it happens

[dull ermine]

Oh hive usually goes where the turrets are for me

Bc everyone else can fend for themselves

[rich lotus]

Just pop a chem there though

[rich lotus]

😂 😂 😂 😂

[cyan raft]

So you restrict yourself and let others carry you since you cant be @sses to play striker? I hope you have a team and not doing PUG!

[rich lotus]

Not with some of the people I played with before lol

Had so many go down while in center behind cover on the computer somehow

[dull ermine]

I don’t think that’s what they’re saying but go off. It’s the basic premise of I don’t want to use one build for this encounter each time

[rich lotus]

What I do is what I mentioned I swap to a healer and usually it goes p smooth

[dull ermine]

And you can get away with running one non strikers build assuming your teammates aren’t generic mitigating their crit chance with st Elmo’s

[rich lotus]

Strikers does get boring sometimes

[rich lotus]

THIS

[dull ermine]

Because what will shock ammo do for damage you nerd

[rich lotus]

I had to explain that to so many elmos lovers in that incursion before

"Uhhh but it stunnss theeeem"

[dull ermine]

It works during the truck encounter but only there 😭

[rich lotus]

JUST KILL BEFORE THEY EVEN SEE YOU MUCH EASIER

[rich lotus]

Even then

Id rather everything get melted as it spawns

Than a lil stun here and there

[dull ermine]

I had someone pull out a bullet king because FOR SOME REASON they couldn’t do enough dps to Johnson with st Elmo’s (all 3 running strikers Elmo)

[rich lotus]

Elmo and skill damage builds are prob one of the things ill never touch willingly

[rich lotus]

I've met a few that they apparently only have elmos as a "good" ar

No famas no f200 no shield nothing

Just elmos

[dull ermine]

I save every famas I get even if it’s badly rolled dttoc 🥲

[versed summit]

I get the Elmo is easy to use, but Jesus it’s not the only AR…

[dull ermine]

God forbid you tell someone burn out is better than st Elmo’s

[versed summit]

I’m not sure about that one lol

[rich lotus]

I grew a massive hatred against it first time I got in dz and I was getting shocked 90% of every encounter

[dull ermine]

Weapon handling is better than shock ammo on immune bosses

[rich lotus]

Everytime I see one in dz running it now I just hunt then until they quit

[dull ermine]

More reloads… land more headshots?

[versed summit]

I simply just don’t DZ lol

[dull ermine]

No takers?

[rich lotus]

It was so cancer

You either roll with it

[versed summit]

It already has weapon handling tho tbh

[rich lotus]

Or die type of situation

[versed summit]

Inherently

[rich lotus]

Not worth investing in hzapro bcs then no dmage and then win the 1v1

[dull ermine]

Bruv the famas without stability you might as well drop a brick on your foot when you start to shoot it

[rich lotus]

Or when you trying to a double down on boom and someone shocks him out of the animation 😢

Eventhough you mentioned to pls not use elmos or not shoot him if ur using it

[dull ermine]

“Guys no one shoot boomer with at Elmo’s or Scorpio pls”

X3

[rich lotus]

Yep

[versed summit]

The Elmo has weapon handling and does more damage than a non damage talent famas. Fast hands will give you more sustain, but I’m not sure Burn Out is worthwhile.

[rich lotus]

Doesnt elmos have like 0% recoil and a ton of accuracy?

At cost of distance? idk

[dull ermine]

I like weapon handling so I guess I’ll die on this hill alone 😭

All you hotshot I like the talent, no you like the weapon handling 😏

[rich lotus]

Yeah no I only like handling on reg or hotshot build ye lol

[muted dagger]

Don't worry @dull ermine I'm fond of weapon handling too

[rich lotus]

Everything else is gimme gimme gimme that damage

[rich lotus]

I blame ouroboros

TTK on that thing made me nuts

[dull ermine]

Generally tho the reason it out dps burnout for me is bc of its mag size

[versed summit]

Yes that’s important

[dull ermine]

You get similar mag size with ctar, f2000

[versed summit]

Still Lower, and only more damage if using a damage talent

[dull ermine]

Imagine running strained on a 900 rpm weapon but mag size accommodation and doing more damage than sacrificing damage talent so you can build in for 30% chc you don’t want to run

[tawdry flare]

Descent

[dull ermine]

Descent hurts me with them mag sizes

I feel poor

[dull ermine]

🫶

[muted dagger]

Funny thing was I did the incursion last week with an absolute goof of a Pestilence build and managed to keep up with a striker elmo teammate

[shy willow]

Elmo's weakness is burst DPS but it's pumped everywhere else

[muted dagger]

So that's what it was

[flint wave]

probably not

just stinky teammate

[onyx sage]

it's fun in open world but not really realistic to use in legendary for me

[shy willow]

It's definitely a fun gun

You can do funny things with burn ammo

[tawdry flare]

I have only seen one crazy guy to use iron lung

[tulip charm]

Iron lung is pretty fun

[covert meadow]

Are skill builds meant to be used for open world, and missions or just missions, I'm having an extreme time completing the county's for black tusk this week.

[shy willow]

either

[covert meadow]

Ok now I'm confused...

What are they for?

[shy willow]

clearing content same as anything else

[onyx sage]

they're for anything that doesn't actively counter them

you'll know you get countered when you get disrupted a lot

[shy willow]

whats the issue anyway

[covert meadow]

So really my focus needs to be all red or fire builds

[shy willow]

huh why

[covert meadow]

I can't complete the county's I'm getting over ran no matter what position or cover I take..m

[onyx sage]

all red is the most universal yes, fire only sometimes

[shy willow]

theres an entire catalogue of builds you can use

[covert meadow]

Bountys*

[shy willow]

if you're getting clapped try a memento

what are you running anyway

[covert meadow]

Memento is close run n gun

[flint wave]

blue cores first then memento

[shy willow]

memento trophies are extremely valuable

[flint wave]

Pfe mods optional

[tawdry flare]

6pcs 5.11 everything else is optional

[shy willow]

can use 5 pcs with ninja but it's suboptimal

[onyx sage]

be a chad. use 5p improvised.

[covert meadow]

I built a supposedly skill build that a successful well known youtuber, I am fox, swore by sland showing how effective it was on heroic and 5 directives

[flint wave]

1pc striker 1pc negotiator 1pc hunter fury 1pc rigger 1pc heartbreaker 1pc umbra everything else is optional

[onyx sage]

the thing about most YouTube content in this game is they're misleading

[shy willow]

send a screenshot

of the build

[covert meadow]

I have hot red builds I have been hearing how skill builds help you complete legendary weekly by yourself and I have yet to even do that more less find a legit build to take on this content no higher than challenging my shd is 1465 earned....

[onyx sage]

the ground rule of builds in this game is:

1. striker
2. headhunter (hotshot or regulus)
3. everything else

if everything fails, striker

[shy willow]

shd 1465 and you can't clear heroic what happened😭

[flint wave]

returning player moment

[covert meadow]

That's what I'd like to know...wth happen

[flint wave]

man reached shd 1000 5 years ago

[onyx sage]

honest question, why not use striker?

there are valid reasons to not use it but not practical ones, so i wanna know

[shy willow]

^ if you struggle with strikers then unfortunately it's just a skill issue

gonna have to learn positioning and a general idea of spawns and whatnot

[tawdry flare]

Where is negotiators no negotiation for thay

[onyx sage]

don't even need to learn spawns

nego not always that good

how are you gonna do incursion

[tawdry flare]

Tag both boss

[onyx sage]

crungo

wright and his imaginary friend?

[tawdry flare]

If you say so

[covert meadow]

I have a full negotiates and strikers, my negotiates has chd of 192 and a chc 60 running, it can melt...once again I had been hearing so much about skill builds I'd tryed to give it a chance

[vestal ibex]

Can't even tag the incursion bosses anyway....

[onyx sage]

yeah

[shy willow]

what did this youtuber teach you oml

[onyx sage]

skill builds are for afk playstyles, they're balanced to be much weaker than any gun build in existence because of that

[vestal ibex]

That is 100% a YT build.

[shy willow]

3 empress 2 Hana 1 wyvern is the general setup

[covert meadow]

Smh

[shy willow]

if you like the skills playstyle try that instead

[vestal ibex]

This is the gold standard for a skill build.

[tawdry flare]

I thought it was ronon's build

[vestal ibex]

No clue what your talking about.

[flint wave]

_lul

[vestal ibex]

I know who but that doesn't explain anything.

[covert meadow]

Alright first ima blow these dudes head completely off for the sake of my mind at ease, then I'll build that @vestal ibex

[shy willow]

you ought to hit the summit and get a capacitor if you haven't already

[tawdry flare]

I am pretty sure you know that

[shy willow]

or farm for a test subject

[vestal ibex]

I got no clue what you're even referring to.

[flint wave]

me neither

[onyx sage]

"i don't even know who you are"

[shy willow]

snap

[vestal ibex]

I love those memes

[covert meadow]

Yeah I have both capacitor and tester full, looks to be I just had the wrong guy, youtube has failed again...

[shy willow]

youtube will never cease to fail you

[flint wave]

you could not live with ur failure so where did that bring you, back to #td2-build-advice *

[covert meadow]

Smh not me, won't be using it for builds anymore.

[vestal ibex]

I feel bad for people who get sucked into farming a YT build and then being like wtf is this, going back to the vid and seeing how cherry picked the footage is.

[covert meadow]

Now the pain begins..

[vestal ibex]

Nego is pretty good tho.

[flint wave]

all red no shield hope u know what ur doing

[covert meadow]

Hope they know @flint wave

[shy willow]

tthat's a pretty good nego setup

[vestal ibex]

Shield gets my vote as best skill in the game hands down.

[magic pilot]

Run Fox instead of coyotes

[shy willow]

get that bakers dozen out of there though

use a boomerang m1a

[magic pilot]

Fox will outdps coyotes on nego with st Elmo

[covert meadow]

Ok if I put fox prayer in there that's prolly gonna drop the chc maybe 57 then I'll have to prolly convert that chc from chd

[onyx sage]

just peek with no shield without getting hit ez

[magic pilot]

Your chc will be over the cap still

[covert meadow]

@magic pilot and I have the m1a I'll change

[magic pilot]

Anyone want to carry me?

[covert meadow]

Oh ok 👍

[vestal ibex]

breh

[onyx sage]

thru?

[surreal depot]

Who doing carry

[magic pilot]

Lmao🤣

Shouldn't have said anything

[onyx sage]

devcat carries me carries prodigy

[magic pilot]

I'll carry 1 random

[tawdry flare]

For what

[covert meadow]

Wait when you say fox for mask are you talking about punch D overlord armaments @magic pilot

[onyx sage]

no, fox's prayer kneepads

trade off coyote for nego mask, then nego kneepads for fox's prayer

[magic pilot]

I need to run IH after I finish project

[covert meadow]

So use the negotiater mask n fox knees instead?

Ok got you..

[magic pilot]

Yep

[tawdry flare]

I see I don't know anything about ih

[magic pilot]

All good lol

[onyx sage]

i can be a dps role for IH

[magic pilot]

I'm still learning keybinds. It's so weird having 2 buttons for each skill

[covert meadow]

Ty fellas for getting me on order..

[magic pilot]

Np

Also only use Fox with st Elmo, otherwise keep your previous setup

[tawdry flare]

Can also pgc

[magic pilot]

Lower dps I think

[tawdry flare]

By 1%

[magic pilot]

lol true

[covert meadow]

Yeah I wanted to run elmo so it will be this setup

[onyx sage]

you'll be glad that you can cancel skills at half the bar instead of all the bar on pc

[surreal depot]

Solo break and kill thru door everything

[onyx sage]

the accusations come 10x

[surreal depot]

Somebody will Scorpio your stacks

[magic pilot]

Someone was literally just talking to me about your hackusations

[onyx sage]

me?

[magic pilot]

Yea someone mentioned your comments are flaming you on yt for no reason

[onyx sage]

idek why yeah. but i'm getting a lot of growth on my videos lately for some reason

[magic pilot]

i got recomended a year old video by you the other day

[vestal ibex]

Bro got fan grilled on the community server just a bit ago too.

[warm knot]

This is weird, there's nothing pinned in #td2-build-advice for me

[magic pilot]

Update discord

[warm knot]

I double checked it. I'm running the last version already

[vestal ibex]

It's there yo

[warm knot]

Nevermind, I've found a workaround

Yea, its something with the mobile app. It works perfectly on pc.

[magic pilot]

My pins is fine on mobile

[rich lotus]

Some people are having issues on mobile atm. Servers, chats and all not being visible or buggy

[magic pilot]

Ahh

[sullen sun]

I can’t stay connected for more than 20 min wo getting delta lol

[magic pilot]

Ngl pc has less deltas atm

[spice moon]

Thoughts on 3pc aegis tank, ninjabike gila, and Closer with kingbreaker specifically for countdown (6 red + 2 blue + 2 yellow). Just curious if the damage resistance gains with an 8 man group would actually work well enough to tank while dishing out damage.

[flint wave]

You aren't gonna be dishing out damage in countdown with this

might as well just make a dedicated tank build

[vestal ibex]

Idk the damage reduction from that set is meh at best and countdown goes better with either heals/more damage/cc.

If you said would you like 30% damage reduction or 15% amp damage or enemies stuck/blinded I know what I'd want.

[spice moon]

Makes sense. Thx guys

[flint wave]

If u wanna stick with the tank playstyle perfectly opportunistic backpack from the setup is a key part of the build combined with scorpio gives you and your teammates a high amount of damage from team buffs

Instant 15% amp for the team and if 7 shots landed then 20% more amp

[spice moon]

Ooo… that’s nice

[urban latch]

This feels wild

[urban latch]

Your just going to be a carry if your not dishing out a meaningful amount of damage in countdown

[magic pilot]

Haven't delta one time on pc yet

[hexed steppe]

Use survivalist on top of scorpio/opportunistic and give your team another 10% damage to npc with status and shared medkit if you need to heal

[hexed steppe]

Same

So with survivalist shared medkit... does it apply only to full medkit or is instant use shared as well? Anybody tested?

[flint wave]

the instant use kit is not a specialization armor kit

so no

[rotund pewter]

What are a few good options to have for Legendary?

I want to make a foam CC but want to have a couple other options for when I'm in a group

[versed summit]

Striker’s and FI healer

[rotund pewter]

Good on Striker already

[vestal ibex]

Nego is gud too

[rich cosmos]

Umbra works

[bitter orchid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNBo5ZTsXXc ive looked at this build but i just don't understand where he is getting 25% crit damage from.

he has 12 sources of crit damage, 20% from the gun, 20% from the watch level 15% from the gruppo and 108 from the gear.
and that adds up to 108+15+20+20=163% crit dmg
but on the video he has 188. where is he getting it from?

or is my math wrong?

[solar sable]

spec maybe

[magic pilot]

No

You'd want ceska holster anyway

I just built it on the website and got 42/188

[bitter orchid]

yeah, but i just dont understand where that extra crit dmg is coming from.

did i miss something?

[magic pilot]

Looks like it

Base crit dmg is 25%

[bitter orchid]

ohhhh

that explains it, ive been doing the same math for like 30 minutes tweaking

[magic pilot]

Lmao

[bitter orchid]

i started writing on paper like a cavemen

so ceska instead of gruppo for more dps right?

because hitting 50+ crit chance sounds alot more appealing

[vestal ibex]

Just keep in mind that vid is super old and I wouldn't recommend whatever they do and show in it.

[onyx sage]

ceska's value is higher than grupo's value once you consider the typical crit chance and crit damage rolls in this game being 6% and 12% respectively

[magic pilot]

That's the nice way of saying it lmao

[onyx sage]

ceska being 10% crit chance compared to 6% makes it more valuable than grupo's 15% compared to 12%

[bitter orchid]

im using his build as a baseline and then change from there

[onyx sage]

it's not a good baseline to start from tbh

i mean it's very close to the basic strikers but there are some misleading things to avoid like expertising armor

[vestal ibex]

[These are the builds I'd suggest](#td2-build-advice message)

[magic pilot]

All this talk makes me want to get back on rn

[onyx sage]

i JUST got off

[magic pilot]

Lmaooo

[onyx sage]

i'll be back on in like a few hours

[magic pilot]

Technically you want ceska on all those @vestal ibex

[magic pilot]

I'll be on still

[vestal ibex]

Are you sure about that?

[magic pilot]

Yep

[vestal ibex]

Cause the reason ceska is "better" is because of secondary consideration and you end up over cap, which isn't bad if you consider using your secondary. When you actually math it out it's not better but it's a tiny diff.

[magic pilot]

Unless you plan on someone giving mid buff

[vestal ibex]

The CHCxCHD does end up better on those builds.

[magic pilot]

Ceska on 1 and 3 would net 1 more chd mod and have higher dps

Despite being over crit cap

Highest dps setup not using exotic for Ouro is sokolov/ceska

[vestal ibex]

Not full red.

[magic pilot]

Even on full red with 25 expertise

Sokolov beats out grupo

[vestal ibex]

Too much doubt without seeing numbers on that.

[magic pilot]

I learned this from Raucey lol

Smg has such high native crit that's why

For AR fenris loses out

Think Raucey isn't home yet, I'll ask him later

[vestal ibex]

Def not home but he'd respond. @urban latch weigh in on this.

[magic pilot]

I was talking about it with ikia the other day on his stream as well

[vestal ibex]

I'm gonna laugh if this is one of those it's less than 1% between all of them it doesn't actually matter things.

[magic pilot]

Definitely is btw

Off topic, do toggle sprint to shift or do you hold to sprint?

[vestal ibex]

I toggle, also use auto run with parkour mode on.

[urban latch]

For just the ouro/smgs that's the case

[magic pilot]

Where is parkour mode at?

[vestal ibex]

Yes.

[magic pilot]

Thanks🤣

[vestal ibex]

lol idfr it's somewhere

[magic pilot]

Found it

[vestal ibex]

You might not like it but it'll just auto mantle and jump over stuff for you.

[magic pilot]

There's auto run and toggle sprint

Auto run moves you forward and sprints

[vestal ibex]

Auto run will jog until you toggle sprint. If you push to sprint you have to hold it to sprint even while auto run is on.

[magic pilot]

Ahhh ok

Also I got a shield splinterer and hunter killer 🙂

[glossy scarab]

nice

[vestal ibex]

Did all the hunters?

[magic pilot]

Hell no

Boosted someone through wony

[vestal ibex]

They can share after opening the boxes?

[magic pilot]

Mhm

[glossy scarab]

what about when cassie has a hunter killer with chc/chd some day? you wont be able to buy it

[magic pilot]

Ceska chest is higher dps anyway🤣

[vestal ibex]

Gonna become the WONY daddy and farm them that way.

[magic pilot]

If I want a good hunter killer I'll get the hunters eventually

The one I got has a crit roll so I'm happy

[vestal ibex]

Just do a hunter a day.

[glossy scarab]

yeah true. i only use hunter killer on a regen build

[magic pilot]

I added you

[glossy scarab]

got it thanks

[acoustic coral]

I want to like it, but every time I have it on I just jump up random things, because I'm too ADHD and spam the movement buttons

[onyx sage]

tfw you are in the middle of being pushed and your character just climbs over your tall cover

[vestal ibex]

It only happens during auto run.

[onyx sage]

@magic pilot you still playing?

[magic pilot]

Yep

[sage matrix]

Is it best to use both strikers backpack and chest for dps raid role?

I default to ninja quite often

[hexed steppe]

the bag is pretty essential to hit higher damage numbers. the chest comes in handy when the targets are really tanky and stacks are easy to maintain. if you find yourself half stacking when using the chest then a ceska obliterate chest would be better

[sage matrix]

I have some options to juggle. Planning to use st Elmo’s. With striker bag/chest, coyote, and picaro, I’m at 60/134

I could drop holster for striker to swap in chest

Or diff bag

Don’t really need a ceska since crit chance maxed

Could do max chd grupo holster

This is a raid build

[hexed steppe]

its only maxed because you are using unnecessary chc rolls/mods.
with elmo, watch, ceska , and 2 secondary chc rolls (on coyote and highend piece), then you should be hitting 52%chc which is perfect for an elmo coyote mid buff setup. you would be able to devote all main rolls and mods to chd

if not maxed chc on watch you might need one other chc roll to be in a good spot. iirc the stats on ceska/elmo/coyote striker with maxed watch would be sitting at 52chc/173chd

[sage matrix]

At 57.5/170.7

Going with your suggestion

And the only short coming is one 11.7 chd mod and 5.5 chc roll

Ceska obliterate

And could swap in fenris max red roll mask

[hexed steppe]

nice 👍

[sage matrix]

Thanks for the feedback, never been good at building

[wet crescent]

Does anyone know how to get more survivability on a saint Elmo’s striker build? I’m not great at making builds

[wise swallow]

add more blues

use crusader shield

[sage matrix]

Picaro is great for it

[wise swallow]

pic doesnt really add any survivability

[tawdry flare]

Blue core with red core

[wise swallow]

pic over adding blue core to striker gear and running coyote?

does elmo get high enough that the CHC roll isnt needed?

[magic pilot]

No

Only with umbra or nego

[wise swallow]

so coyote over pic still

[magic pilot]

Yep

[wise swallow]

man

I need a valid excuse to not farm for blue ceska chest

[shy willow]

It’d be insanely annoying

Only slightly less than red Habs