td2-build-advice

[blissful rampart]

but sounds super bad even if you can lol

[onyx sage]

even if you can use both blb might not be able to buff because of it being a weapon only amp (which ironically might not work with pesti dot)

[blissful rampart]

hmmmm iirc weapon only amps still work on pest dot ( old intimidate would buff it and was a gun only amp)

its just strikers specificly doesnt amp it.

hmmmmm HB is also an amp.... dont recall if it buffs pest dot though 🤔

[onyx sage]

hmm

imagine HB actually working, but then HB being HB the dot doesn't get buffed against minitanks

[hexed steppe]

something like this is hitting just under 700k crit with a max tick of 1.3m. obv if holding still 😅

[pastel shard]

do people use chainkiller or the sacrifice for 1 shot reg builds?

[onyx sage]

do you mean "1 shot" as in actual 1 shot or 1 shot as in you kill many npcs over and over but with just 1 shot for each

[pastel shard]

my b i shouldve clarified actual 1 shot for raid bosses

[onyx sage]

sacrifice

[pastel shard]

ty

[placid sundial]

Which one is considered a sniper rifle? Rifle or marksman rifle or both?

[hexed steppe]

Marksman rifle

[placid sundial]

Thx

[hexed steppe]

Focus on bolt action for mmr. The semi auto are trash. M700 variants, sr1, m44(white death) all good

[timid shale]

I started putting together the Hot Shot build, Countdown showers you in SR-1's. I got real lucky with one nearly maxed stats with Determined so I threw DtTooC on it. Should be a good starting point.

[magic pilot]

I crafted an SR-1 due to ikia recommending it. Been loving it a lot

Mag reload is nice and I have over 100% stability

[patent elm]

Why does ikia recommend rof or crit chance for lmgs btw? I always thought you'd want dmg to armor?

[urban latch]

On the majority of builds you'll benefit from the chc the mist by it allowing you to trade chc for more CHD, outweighing what you can get from dta. With rof the main benefit over dta is that it's effectively active 100% of the time, unlike dta where it dies nothing on health. It's enough that it's generally better than the slight damage increase on armor from dta. It also helps stack things like striker and HB slightly faster

[lyric prism]

it also sounds awesome.

[urban latch]

SR1 has been my go to since the patch.

M700 dies more, but the handling and attachments, plus it does more damage the WD, makes it worth it imo

[rich lotus]

Can SR1 kill legendary elites? I'm kinda biased I've always liked the Model 700 so i never bothered picking up SR1/A1

(in 4 man)

[lyric prism]

yes

[rich lotus]

maybe ill give one a try then, thx

Im bored of striker, what is the "meta" high end LMG? is it unicorn lengmos 3x, contractors, foxes prayer ceska obliterate?

[magic pilot]

3 lengmo coyotes pgc and contractors.

[magic pilot]

Been using sr-1 and mikes long stick

[onyx sage]

i love that name

@grim raptor this is a sample headshot build, ideally you get intimidate as high as you can

[gloomy saffron]

What's the better rolls for an sr1 hotshot build?

[magic pilot]

Opp and no shotgun

Nvm forgot it works on marksman

[onyx sage]

ideally you get m870 or s90 yeah but sniper and pistol are the main weapons actually

loop 30+ is where you use shotgun

[rich lotus]

im having a moment, what is PGC

[onyx sage]

perfect glass cannon

[rich lotus]

ah, im not really sure the headshot damage roll is worth the extra amplied damage but thank you for the info @magic pilot

[patent elm]

thanks for the explanation, so you would recommend chc in general except for a regular high end build i suppose?

[rich lotus]

IMO, LMG and MMR are the exceptions not the rule. You generally want DTTOOC as third stat for all guns. LMGs already have it and 9.5CC is worth almost 2 weapon mod slots or (close to) to armor roles. LMGs generally always use contractors gloves which comes with DTA

[magic pilot]

It is

[magic pilot]

Dtooc on mmr as well

[rich lotus]

DTTOOC for first shot, DTA for max damage potential

[magic pilot]

Not really worth it especially with mmr buff

[rich lotus]

NO combination of anything will let you get 1 shot 4 man legendary elites on the first shot

[magic pilot]

First shot is where mmr lacks

[rich lotus]

whereas higher top end has situational uses

[magic pilot]

There's not really any uses I've seen someone need DTA on their mmr

Besides "ooo bigger number"

[onyx sage]

@grim raptor and this is how you play it, get a good pistol (diceros, magnum) and sniper (pretty much all of them are good) and just camp doors or snipe. feat @acoustic coral

[rich lotus]

chungus helmets have somewhere between veteran and elite enemy hitpoints i dont know the exact number, so top end helps you there, elite robots, bosses.... helicopters if youre actually doing that in roosevelt with an mmr build...

I think it's personal preference I guess, but you can have no third stat and still 1 shot redbar legendary enemies

so i dont see the point in starter shot damage

[acoustic coral]

gg's - didn't even clear the next room talk about overwhelmed quickly

[onyx sage]

rip

solo descent is harddd

[acoustic coral]

good fun tho, and a couple leggy's

[onyx sage]

absolutely, down to play again some time

[magic pilot]

Chungas and robots don't have armor lol

[magic pilot]

4 man there can be a lack of reds, they die too fast or you lose HH and have already killed the reds

[limpid pelican]

just deltad at 99% 🙂

[onyx sage]

rip

[rich lotus]

DTA is used for the headhunter damage calculation

sorry was cooking dinner 😦

Raucey knows better, but afaik once the damage is calculated from a headhunter shot it applies that full damage regardless of what it's actually hitting. 30 million on a robot is 30 million on an elite with armor is 30 million on a chugus (which yes i know robots and chugus are health)

if im wrong feel free to correct me

ill add the caveat that it might be a strange interaction with the determined talent

and not headhunter itself

because i know prior to tu19 a nemesis charged headhunter shot needed to hit robot lets, and in tu20 a determined headhunter shot can hit anywhere on a robot

[onyx sage]

to clarify your point, i also advocate for dta because most of the time people will snipe dudes in cover. most of the time dttooc is useful is in the beginning of encounters or against chungas and warhounds, but dttooc works differently compared to dth or dta in that it only applies to bullet damage

that said, dttooc is still useful on chungas and warhounds if you fail to meet their one-shot breakpoints otherwise

[rich lotus]

But we can all agree that determined is not busted and massive should never change it 🙂

[onyx sage]

in some niche scenarios you can even go for dth if the target is made wholly of health (no armor), like razorback

[rich lotus]

because i love it

[hexed steppe]

nah its busted and everyone knows it

[onyx sage]

i think that was just sarcasm

[hexed steppe]

sarcasm is busted

[rich lotus]

I guess I'm just enjoying it. I'm not super Cyberathlete Professional levels of aim on my end, but I'll say I'm pretty f'ing good at sniping (actual headshots) and the amount of sweat you gotta put in comparitively to ANY other playstyle is just stupid. the bobble headed enemies and the fact that enemies RESPOND to player inputs is just absolutele bullshit

[urban latch]

I think dtooc is still better overall on HH builds

[onyx sage]

my stance is i run dta on snipers (except nemesis where i run dttooc) and dttooc everywhere else

it's really down to whether you need that extra damage. i'm not saying it's correct to go one way or another. it's just i like to snipe npcs that love their cover a bit too much for dttooc to be effective against them

[hexed steppe]

well that was a fail post. messing with pesti and not too bad tbh. 700k crits, 1.2m ticks, standard highend crit build

[rich lotus]

Join me on the search for lengmo uniforns

I'm in passive search mode for those tbh, Habsburg is always targeted loot for me

[hexed steppe]

ive wrote off habsburg. i can hit 30mil without so its just gravy on the top

ive crafted a ton before i said f it tho

[rich lotus]

gotta have a goal at shd 13000 😛

I've been on the hunt 3 weeks, crafted about 1500-2000 chests, ive gotten headhunter HSD Regen about 10-12 times now, so my gamblers fallacy logic tells me its gonna happen soon!

[hexed steppe]

5 digit shd agent 😆 . hopfully it wont be your goal 20-30k range as well

[rich lotus]

Hopefully ill never be 20-30k

because division 3 will be out before we hit the 20th season

we're in season 14 atm

[onyx sage]

division 3 will be out before i craft a crit chance crit damage obliterate palisade piece

[hexed steppe]

😅 it creeps up on you

[limpid pelican]

still trying to farm a crit crit intimidate ceska

[rich lotus]

you want a blue core??

[limpid pelican]

put it on the back burner for descent blueprints. headshot regen too good rn

[limpid pelican]

i almost only pvp at this point

[rich lotus]

I'm glad you said that, it massages my ego. "Blue cores are for PVP"

[limpid pelican]

💯

[magic pilot]

Real chads don't use blue core in PvP either

[limpid pelican]

heck yeah real chads use pgc determined

[rich lotus]

Division PVP is hilarious, I never do it but my limited experience years ago was. Enter DZ with a pewpew build, have fun farming, get wrecked . Enter DZ with a dedicated PvP build, don't have fun farming, still get wrecked. Say "F it" and just enter dz with artillery turret and stinger hive (this was before it was cool) dont have fun farming, and constantly listen to "YOU F'ING HACKER, THATS BS, YOURE AN EXPLETIVE EXPLETIVE EXPLETIVE" PvP is cool.

[wise swallow]

yea

[wise swallow]

ong all the best players use striker PGC

[stone coral]

greetings y'll agents i have seriously lack of knowledge with making good build after grinding and grinding not giving single F about what kind of build i have which is mostly random not a striker or what ever other build's are called so far i have been staying only with one build which is sort of close fight on challenging cause that's the limit of surviving for me

so after some heroic CP runs met with agents and he said that i should only go with striker build smg/auto rifle he also mentioned something about memento but dont remember anymore

should i focus on
" St Elmos Striker MEMENTO build "
or just
" striker build pve "

[shy willow]

Theyre both the same thing really

You just swap certain parts

Get the basic one:
Ceska obliterate chest, 4 striker including bag, coyotes mask/grupo mask

[stone coral]

which one would that be momento or just regular striker build?

[onyx sage]

that's basic striker build yeah

memento variant would be ceska obliterate chest (same as above), memento and 4p striker

[shy willow]

Everything rolled to crit chance and damage

[stone coral]

are the cores really important for this build as example 15 is max but the core is on 13.5

these

[shy willow]

Itll work without being maxed

Maxing is just if you have the resources

[stone coral]

cool and about the gear if i am not wrong all of em are random drop on open world which is mostly not good but better drops on countdown no? if so which one do i need to select on focused drop?

[shy willow]

Always target the brand unless you're looking for exotics

And yeah countdown gives a ton of loot so ideal for farming

[magic pilot]

Prepare your tiny peanut brains

Got it to 2.4

[rich lotus]

💀

[acoustic coral]

With regards to builds: While some people naturally understand how to put a build together, it's not always obvious what makes a good build or not. I like to compare my experience with Diablo 3. I used to be stubborn and "make my own build", but it inhibited me badly, because I 1) simply didn't understand how items multiplied together to get me strong and 2) because my gear was essentially shit I played at a lower difficulty and didn't get enough good loot to actually be able to try new things out.
The moment I decided to say fuck it and just follow a build guide is the moment I started to properly enjoy the game, do higher tier content, feel efficient and start to learn how different things impacts your damage.

And it has been the same thing with The Division 2. While some things looks good on paper, other things will simply just make you much much stronger, because of how damage is calculated in the game.

I'd recommend you to go into the pinned messages in this channel and check out the build sheet, read the FAQ then head over to the build hub, open strikers and reading that.

Then understand the power hierarchy:
#ask-td2-community message

[foggy crag]

I am starting to look into builds and i don't know if there are any builds out there that would benefit from for my " heavy grenadier" playstyle ( lmg + grenades ) and that is kinda what i want for my build or if not possible something as close possible .

[acoustic coral]

Two things to look forward to:

1. Hollywood Global Event (it's gonna be explosion city, you'd enjoy it I think)
2. Next Christmas as there's a backpack only around for Christmas with a talent called Festive Delivery that is very nice with grenades.

Outside of that, there's some explosive builds (grenadier) and lmg builds (heavy) - not sure if there's a hybrid.
In the build sheets, you could look at BluescreenDilemma and Mortar

And now I hand it over to "the people" as I'm sure there's other builds that fits that description aswell ^^

[hexed steppe]

Look into mortar explosive build.
You could use lmg, but would be better served in this case with capacitor + shotgun (both have 12% damage to armor that increases explosive mortar damage.)
3 empress, china , 2 wyvern , glass cannon chest, shock and awe/tech support bag talent. This version is easy setup.

If want max boom booms you farm the unicorn setup I have pictured 😎
(Skill damage grupo, skill damage sacrifice named, force multiplier named hanna, china)

[rich lotus]

Time to farm for that matador in dz

[tawdry flare]

Stinger hive? With btsu oc is very nice

[rich lotus]

Best way to get matador to drop in dz is just farm landmarks right

[hexed steppe]

Yeah stinger. Makes a pretty big difference mortar jumps a couple mil on the oc. Similar with the stinger charges as rapid fill allows me to throw it again while still oc.
Kills mortar cooldown which is only 10sec anyways, or gives me a few extra shots if mortar still active.
Best change I made to the build

Hits around 10mil, 12 mil with oc

[tawdry flare]

Definitely

[foggy crag]

I am still kinda struggling with mastering the mortar turret but maybe that is just me 😅

[acoustic coral]

You said it yourself - mastering takes time

[acoustic coral]

You gotta bear in mind when you advice someone like Draconis, who is so new to the endgame, that you'd have to explain what unicorn means lol

[hexed steppe]

Yeah its kind of an art since it's got travel time.
The hive helps regardless of btsu because it can be thrown out in a pinch with partial charge

[hexed steppe]

Considering I mentioned the parts in both easy to farm build and unicorn build itll be pretty clear what the differences are.
They decide to farm the pieces itll become crystal clear what a unicorn is

[acoustic coral]

For the longest time I actually thought unicorn was something like "one of each color" attribute wise.

[hexed steppe]

I dont really worry about spoon feeding everything and just let people figure some stuff out

Feel free to make a unicorn guide

[acoustic coral]

Why not just say what it means?
Unicorn is because it is hella rare - but more specifically, in this case it's about getting a piece - such as the grupo - that normally has a red core with attributes weighted towards red aswell, with two skill related rolls so you can reroll the core.

[hexed steppe]

Well saying skill damage grupo/sacrifice and then showing an image of grupo/sacrifice with a yellow set of cores is kinda clear. I'm not too worried if someone doesnt figure it out.
It opens an opportunity for them to ask question. Also it saves me from over explaining something when the agent might already be getting it. If they want more info they will ask for it.... but I notice they didnt 🙄

[foggy crag]

I am currently not able to have a good look at it because i am currently working ^^

[lyric prism]

Speaking of the build, if wanted, there is a good Force Multiplier on the clan vendor for the backpack.

[warm socket]

So this is My pvp Build so far, do i need to focus on CHD or CHC?

[lyric prism]

going for blap and pray the armor holds?

[warm socket]

Wdym?

[lyric prism]

you are going for high armor and face trade praying your armor holds with max dmg?

[warm socket]

I mean, What Can i do better Then?

[urban latch]

Your SMG should be at 60%, the AR could be down at 50%, but I'd still recommend it at 60. Really just comes down to how much your using the SMG

[urban latch]

That's just a typical pvp build

[lyric prism]

still learning that side

[warm socket]

What..?

[urban latch]

You've got coyotes, so the mid buff will get you 10% chc. But you won't want to assume that with the SMG since that will be for close range.

It should also be very easy to get 60% chc with the SMG, and the f2000 is always going to be behind it.

[urban latch]

I'm talking about the exotic talent from it. Generally, a lot of people assume they will maintain the mid coyotes buff, but depending on how your playing pvp that can be much less true.

[warm socket]

I see now, so any tips for me?

[urban latch]

The big one is try to get an ouroboros to replace the vector

[warm socket]

Yeah ditend get one Yesterday

[urban latch]

Also your chest talent us useless in PVP, your not going to be using the cover system

[warm socket]

So have to try again at reset

[warm socket]

Well cant really change it..

[urban latch]

You need to just farm another tbh. Chests and backpacks are the hardest things to farm, but the gear talents are very important

[warm socket]

Just for the same one?

But the problem is i cant Seem to get the same chest With unbreakeble on it

[urban latch]

A grupo chest could also work, arguably better. If your already using the matador then a W&H chest would be good too

[warm socket]

I just needed the middle talent to be somthing Else lol, not headshot demage

[urban latch]

That's still much better than what you have now

[hybrid shadow]

i agree.

[warm socket]

True true, just need alot of materials to max everything out on all My gear

Should i farm for a new and better chestplate?

[urban latch]

It's up to you how much you want to farm for the perfect gear, but that grupo chest is still very good

[warm socket]

I see, if i were to go farm in countdown for that chest Should i set the gear as grupo or just chestplates

[hybrid shadow]

if you’re hoping to recalibrate it to Armor, then it can be really painful trying to farm it. there’s only a 1/1584 chance for a chest with CHD+CHC and unbreakable talent to drop,

[warm socket]

Bruh💀

[hybrid shadow]

so the median is 1100 times (dropping this same exact chest this much time for a guy with average luck to get it).

craft it, and i’d recommend don’t go for armor.

[warm socket]

Whats median?

[urban latch]

It's a little better than that because red core gear have a higher chance to have a red attribute, but yeah, chances are low lol. Tbh I'd stick with what you have, and when you have the materials to blow I would mass craft grupo chests

[warm socket]

Oh okay

[warm socket]

When i craft Them What am i looking for?

[urban latch]

Crit chance and damage, and whatever talent your looking for, which fir pvp is often unbreakable

[hybrid shadow]

huh. thanks for the heads up. does anyone know exactly how much higher the chance it is for the minor attribute to be the same color as main?

[warm socket]

And What Should the core atribute be?

[hybrid shadow]

it’ll only come in red.

[urban latch]

I can't remember exactly tbh. I think the first attribute has a 50% chance to match the core, so it's a slight improvement but nothing major. I could be misremembering though

[hybrid shadow]

huh, i see. thank you. i’ll go data farm a bit.

[urban latch]

The number of armor cores you go with is ultimately up to you, but for face tanking and with unbreakable and ad rush, you'll generally want as many as you can get.

[warm socket]

So just all blues?

[warm socket]

Beside My mask?

[urban latch]

I want to say it was generally in the ballpark of being changed around tu9ish. It's been awhile

[hybrid shadow]

i see.

[urban latch]

With ad rush I'd say yes, with just unbreakable I think it can still be worth going a little lower to 3 or even 2 if your comfortable with it. A lot of it comes down to play style and preference though.

[warm socket]

So 3 blues or even 2, Damn💀

[urban latch]

If you play enough pvp you'll see some very good players running all red, but a new pvp player would get smoked doing that in most cases

[warm socket]

I see that

[lyric prism]

does hitting a user with pulse count as 'damage' ?

[hexed steppe]

i dont think so

[lyric prism]

what about banshee with the disorient?

[onyx sage]

not damage either

for what talent are you asking this for

[lyric prism]

perfect spark.

I got a doorkicker just sitting here.

[onyx sage]

yeah you need to be using a damaging skill. pulse except for jammer on electronics doesn't deal damage

[magic pilot]

This is correct

[lyric prism]

trying to make a DZ set that works for me. I tend to favor a regen armor setup idk why.

like this but I am still farming. It is chc capped with either weapon. 150% chd. clean up would help more but you get the idea I'm going towards.

I might fish for a belstone backpack for the ad rush and run catharsis, don't know.

[gentle lichen]

Crit regen is weak

Headshot/bughorn regen though...

[lyric prism]

I tried that build, I have the pieces for it. Potato aim does not help me.

I know git gud. Trying to find something else but I suspect its just doing to be play and get used to it.

[rich lotus]

@hexed steppe got it

👀

time to finish the build for it

[lyric prism]

hazpro or armor regen roles? thinking hazpro.

[gentle lichen]

Can go with both no problem

Bighorn offers 100% hsd anyway

[lyric prism]

yea. I ask bc some of the pieces I got go both ways so I guess in the end since I can't cap hazpro it won't matter.

[gentle lichen]

I personally use everyday carrier

[lyric prism]

you running firewall?

I have an everday carrier w/ hsd not rolled so was considering it as well.

but I'm told that chest is best with firewall for the armor kit it has.

I frankly don't know.

I thought about survivalist for the status resist

[stone coral]

thanks for the message agent but think is my english not good so hard to understand what the point is on that pinned message or the one on given link

[gentle lichen]

And insta medkit

[lyric prism]

so everyday carrier and firewall.

[gentle lichen]

Yeah

Armor regen will help you retreat and pull a medkit to face 2 to 3 enemies

Especially since firewall medkit is 50% stronger with efficient

[lyric prism]

but does the instant kit get covered as a firewall kit or do you have to do the full med kit?

[gentle lichen]

Full medkit to get the firewall medkit effect

Insta works well if you can't retreat

[onyx sage]

instant kit doesn't have any of the spec traits even in pve

[gentle lichen]

Shame tbh

Would've made groups with survivalist thrive

[lyric prism]

I've got a golan holster hazpro /chd so I reroll the chd.

just need to find a belstone pack for stick ad rush on.

[hexed steppe]

🍻🥳

Congrats

[lyric prism]

incoming repairs does not affect armor regen correct?

or does it?

[blissful rampart]

nope

it only effects healing recieved FROM skills

[lyric prism]

that would be lol broke if it did.

I might just roll wep handling on the couple pieces that came with hsd bc I can't get any real hazpro.

just iffy on everyday carrier vs unbreakable. no experience either way but getting sprayed would be one less thing to worry on.

[tulip charm]

current the model 700 is the best he sniper right in terms of damage?

[lyric prism]

non exotic yes.

m700 tactical/carbon are 60k lower base. carbon is the better choice bc different rail slot from tactical.

the middle ground is an SR1.

SR1 has faster reacquisition and mag fed, 465k base.

[tulip charm]

good

[lyric prism]

I choose the SR1.

[tulip charm]

dropped a godroll

Now I just need to farm so habs pieces

[tawdry flare]

SR1 is the best mag reload sniper

[glossy scarab]

just need to farm habs pcs. Lol. Watch you get a vigilance bag w hsd and handling like right away

[tulip charm]

I mean if I dont farm it it will drop like my d&h vig backpack and my model 700

Its just how the game works ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[magic pilot]

I've been using SR-1 and mikes long stick

[glossy scarab]

i guess ekim is close enough to mike for autocorrect to step in

[acoustic coral]

idk why, but it sounds dirty when it's mikes long stick, not when its ekim

[lyric prism]

its a perfect name.

I just love how broken chainkiller/determined is. just wearing those two and whatever of my EP foam set from CD I had on and still hit 11mil headshots after proccing off some reds.

[acoustic coral]

ekim - mike, kinda like naomi - you figure

[final orchid]

How does WD MMR rank now to m700 and SR1? Been away for 2 weeks and been seeing people talking about those 2 for hot shot build

[lyric prism]

WD base damage is low compares to 700/SR1.

[glossy scarab]

yeah why does it sound dirty one way and not the other

[lyric prism]

WD - 423k, 700t or carbon - 439k, SR1 465k, m700 - 499k.

[final orchid]

Oh wow was this a recent change?

[tulip charm]

yeah

[lyric prism]

project resolve buffed em to break the meta a bit.

SR1 is the break point. mag fed, lower base. if you want the ultimate, m700, top fed each round.

700t/carbon are not worth it.

[final orchid]

The Sr1 felt good to use before but damage was lacking so now I will need to find another

I guess countdown would be my go to to farm

[lyric prism]

yep, for everything.

minus yaahl, etc.

also the Covert SRS is 440k if you like it as well. quicker followup a bit than SR1.

I used it before the change and liked it more than the WD but more reason to use it now.

talking damage into the 25+mil so its sort of moot. choose whichever you want based on feel and looks honestly.

[final orchid]

Cool thanks for the info. I will spam countdown with target loot to MMR and see what I get after a bit

[lyric prism]

You can go full Canadiastan on the m700.

save the ice skating from your southern neighbors.

[final orchid]

Getting away from the woodgrain texture on the WD will be the biggest plus

[acoustic coral]

This is a key note, WD still slapping enough, so anything above that is just feels. I'm passively grinding M700T/C to test the feel

[final orchid]

I havent really loved how the WD felt but I stumbled upon a well rolled one when I heard about the hotshot build so just went with it

Definitely want to try the other options since they got buffed

[lyric prism]

after trying all of them on Roosevelt Island runs, honestly the SR1 did it for me. the reload, the followup, the sway when buffed with stab mods. it just all seems to come together as a crossroads.

oddly for Reanimated I preder the Covert SRS.

the reacquisition is just so much better.

[acoustic coral]

Is it the Covert SRS or the SR-1 that's in Descent - because I didn't like that one

Altho, that's without any of the goodies you get from proper builds (while Descent has the power fantasy going for it, it doesn't always have "this fun is fun to aim")

[lyric prism]

good question.

your models.

[glossy scarab]

i like the covert a lot for no scope, closer range play

[hexed steppe]

Go carbon. Tac is nice but really limited on the underbarrel attachment

[lyric prism]

the rl DSR-1 is a beautiful rifle.

what is the base dmg on Ouro? edit: 40.4k

dear god. I so need one in my life.

[final orchid]

same

[tulip charm]

you dont have one?

[lyric prism]

no. grouping issues.

dead clan I am leader of by default.

have not found one as a replacement I like that isn't also just about dead.

[tulip charm]

Oh. I don't mind carrying but then I need 2 other people.

[lyric prism]

I am at work currently on a laggy remote to the home system so I shall check you later if I find a couple of victims.

its enough to do CD at lunch and play builder in the BOO.

and farm mats in places with no mobs.

for a lazy farm on vpn setup this sees me through even issues as long as I don't lag out.

[glossy scarab]

i was so happy when i found a pretty good chc/chd oblit palisades chest so i can still use coyotes mask on the build

[lyric prism]

I had one but after getting the mask found for this specific use having Oblit/ceska bc I can change to an Unbreakable/ceska.

but I just stopped that as well for running around during the day bc unless I get overwhelmed was sort of moot.

[glossy scarab]

yeah i've equipped unbreakable onto a gear piece like once ever

[lyric prism]

if I go into new content Idk like a new end manhunt I'll put it on but once I know the flow of the monster closets no real need.

got one each of grupo as well.

this I got the other day I don't quite know what to do with. dz piece? idk.

I know intimidate is not the thing anymore for chest talent but not exactly a dead piece.

[glossy scarab]

yeah i would still use intim in dz

mostly bc i dont look for fights but i like be able to kill rogues fast when one pops on me

[lyric prism]

yea.

I got my box farming setup all about avoid and run. why i'm starting to farm an actual regen set that works, want something else to do.

[glossy scarab]

yeah i have a couple regen builds, around 120-130k/s. but gotta use ouroborus to make it strong enough

[lyric prism]

so I'm told. I'm doing HSD bc of the expertised Bighorn I have. we will call it git gud.

forcing myself to.

[glossy scarab]

thats what they tell me

[lyric prism]

on the other hand if I'm box farming I usually run this insanity

its what fell out of the stash one day.

usually have Scorpio there but Capacitor has its uses.

if the decoy is not enough I just let them talk to the bleed ball.

its not about kills, its about getting away.

thinking about a swap to a yellow Cavalier piece to free up a slot for something else useful but the skill haste is nice.

might just make an electronics set for btsu gloves, not sure yet.

[final orchid]

I have only ran strikers and hotshot and am looking for different builds to make. Working on both a FI and nego build but still missing a few pieces

[lyric prism]

FI in vary cores is a great set for many scenarios.

[hexed steppe]

Nego can basically use you striker build highend pieces

[final orchid]

thinkn for FI I am missing scorpio mainly and backpack with wicked

[hexed steppe]

Farm opportunistic bag for fi

[final orchid]

Also wouldnt mind putting together a RPK build together as I see lmg seems to be buffed?

Ah sorry yes opportunistic not wicked

[lyric prism]

RPK just use it with whatever.

[hexed steppe]

Heroic control points still drop the blueprint for the setup, perfect opportunistic

Lot easier crafting the right rolls instead of farming them

[final orchid]

Yea I am still working on farming the blueprints from CP's

I would need to check if I got that BP eyt

[lyric prism]

to be honest I have the plans for The Setup but got all my full color ones from CP. That piece seems to roll more straight colors than any other piece.

[hexed steppe]

These drop from the chest. Not mixed in with the regular attachment/optimize bp

[final orchid]

yea

[lyric prism]

RPK is great in wallstreet on strikers against the shield nail guys. aim over their shoulder and watch them explode in one sec.

[hexed steppe]

I was able to roll my hazpro and a couple fi setups within maybe 100 crafts I think

[lyric prism]

I farmed CD.

[magic pilot]

I can join

[acoustic coral]

I think Descent has the SRS, but then again, no proper buffs on handling as you usually have from multiple sources in overworld

[magic pilot]

Correct on the srs

[acoustic coral]

Gotta test them both out. I do have all the MMRs for testing, but they're low rolled - proper, but low.

[final orchid]

So close if only either the ROF or talent rolled dtooc or determined

[tulip charm]

On the bright side you can send it to library

[glossy scarab]

what are the chances you'll ever recal an mmr to rof tho lol

you still should do that though. cuz ya gotta have that library 100% for reasons

[patent elm]

It's about the ocd

[glossy scarab]

yup

[rich lotus]

@hexed steppe just set up a hunter's reg build and omg this thing is so fun to play lol

[onyx sage]

ikr

headhunter

[rich lotus]

It's so damn fun

No regrets on going for reg

Was tired of snipers det hh

[vestal ibex]

Nice rotations for the event too.

[jagged solar]

that build is bonkers lol

[rich lotus]

It's so fun

[rich lotus]

Oh yeah it's tricky with the event but once you get the taste of it it just goes ham

[lyric prism]

so bighorn hsd setup for dz usage. forget the hazpro or get the hazpro?

I know at most I'll have is 80% but that is doing to take some more gear.

I like the idea of some wep handling for bighorn but at the range of most fights seems sorts of pointless.

[hexed steppe]

Nice

[dull ermine]

Funny enough the model 700 / Ekims long stick 1 shots maurader weak points so that might be a reason 😂

[spark lichen]

Are the simple red dps builds even good anymore?

[sly gulch]

I actually prefer Empathic Resolve chests in some builds. Opens up either a backpack talent or Exotic. For instance, I run the FI BP (oh no, a community no-no) with Catharsis and a few blue cores and yellow attributes for Haste, then Repair. BP buffs the return healing of Ground Control, so whenever you have to lose yellow cores, it does help. Fairly popular PvP healer build. Or 100% HazPro NBBP FI with Cavalier is also good when dealing with status effects. You can run two Cav and get another 40% Repair skills, or just stick with Alps/Murakami Empathic, or Picaro's, but that'd limit your other slot a bit more (PE chest is my favorite with Picaro's). At 6 skill tiers, Empathic also increases damage more than just the chest.

[wooden acorn]

New to the game and running the Striker build. Would it be better to run The Grudge or a Chamelon?

[hexed steppe]

yes. high end dps is still viable. nego highly viable. neither utilize stacking mechanics and the damage is fairly steady with little to no ramp up

[hexed steppe]

cham > grudge on strikers.
high end ar or elmo will have more consistent damage. cham you kinda chase the buffs, but it is solid damage when they are active

[wooden acorn]

Alrighty, thank you. Currently trying to farm for an Elmo

[muted hare]

hey guys can someone send me the chart for weapon preformance this season i know the F2K is number 1 but i wanna see the other guns that are doing well too hope yall have a blessed day

[magic pilot]

dps chart

[muted hare]

thanks

[sullen sun]

What’s the best TP build look like?

Bc I see ppl in conflict #### me up w it like crazy

[magic pilot]

It's honestly not that good in PvP

[sly gulch]

tardi, perfect clutch, 60% crit chance, high rof smg. its good, but there are tons of better builds

[cyan drift]

been a while but she's back

and better than ever

[lyric prism]

didn't think Relic was that good.

[cyan drift]

I was being sarcastic, the campus vendor is terrible

she almost always either has a mask or marksman rifle as the named item, and this week had a relic to boot

[shy willow]

NIGHTWATCHER LETS GO

[magic aurora]

Could someone tell me a good build got incursion never done it and I want to know a good build for it

[tawdry flare]

You are at it again I see

[cyan drift]

she behaved for a while

[tawdry flare]

Have you tried raising a ticket with ubisoft support to fire the campus vendor?

[cyan drift]

ubisoft support has taken me two weeks to get the lovebirds jacket which I still do not have

division 3 will come out before they fire the campus vendor

then she can begin her villain arc and be the next manhunt target

[lyric prism]

Striker w/ survivalist or FI healer w/ Survivalist. have fun

[cyan drift]

been wanting to try this vs Sgt Grey or buddy/lucy

grey is much easier to set up though

[flint wave]

fire the whole mag coward

[cyan drift]

I wish frenzy lasted the whole mag

it takes 32.48 seconds to shoot off the entire mag without frenzy

this build also has a busy little bee with 512 rpm, just in case I want to break my fingers

how to get a muscle spasm in your hand with one simple trick

I wish the 93R was a full auto pistol man, it would be so hilarious

pocket vector

[magic aurora]

Thx I’m just missing coyote mask hasn’t dropped

[tawdry flare]

You should use sleipner for that it lasts for whole 100 rounds for it while firing continuesly

[cyan drift]

if I planned on using this seriously, 100% would be using sleipner instead

but I just want to see if it will smoke raid bosses for the meme

[tawdry flare]

Sleipner is a slept off weapon it's dos when prepared us nuts

[tawdry flare]

It will

[cyan drift]

I have a strong feeling, but I need to see it with my own eyes

I need to see at least one raid boss do this

nvm I can't post gifs

[flint wave]

and without blb

[tawdry flare]

RiP

RiP @flint wave

[shy willow]

What actually are the numbers of sleipnir on a standard strikers build compared to the top ARs

[cyan drift]

I can do it with blb on some bosses cause the setup won't be hard

[tawdry flare]

It's bad very bad

Let me calculate that

[cyan drift]

LMGs in general aren't good for DPS since there's not a lot going on per S

[tawdry flare]

Well lmgs have been buffed

[cyan drift]

RPM is the same unfortunately

and mag size is slowly becoming kind of default, like st elmos getting 70 for no reason

what I do love though is seeing people do things with frenzy GR9, after I meme'd with it years ago on the stoner

all of the time I spent meme-ing with it is gone though, cause the channels it was originally posted in, no longer exist

half my shd levels ago, whenever ninjaback came out

[shy willow]

I thought sleipnir was pretty good when you get it emptied

[tawdry flare]

I meant in a good way

[shy willow]

Ohhhh

[shy willow]

To think when it was announced I was glad to see it return

[tawdry flare]

@shy willow

[magic pilot]

What's that

[tawdry flare]

dps for sleipner

with bunch of other gun

[magic pilot]

Scorpio is highest sustained wtf

[tawdry flare]

sleipner is better than ouro

at least when the talent is active

[magic pilot]

Scorpio is actually nuts wtf

[tawdry flare]

2nd part is for calculation values

[tawdry flare]

always has been if you hit all 8 pellets i mean even if you hit like 6-7 pellets you are good

[magic pilot]

It looks like for boss burns you should use Scorpio lmao

[tawdry flare]

Link To Spreadsheet

[shy willow]

Holy dps

[tawdry flare]

if you use striker chest it is even more nuts

reason one scorpio is always good in incursion for dps 1scorpio 2 oreo 1 sledge

or 1 scorrpio 1 oreo is nuts

build for reference

reason i never use oreo scorpio is more reliable than oreo in clutch situations

[solar sable]

when referring to a hotshot build, which 4 parts are from this brand? (gloves, holster, kneepads...)

[shy willow]

Everything bar the chest and bag

[solar sable]

i just made it work, damn 😂

[acoustic coral]

Realistically, the only thing you use the vendors in DC for are named proficiency. Their rolls are usually terrible, mods are sub par and eh - for getting started, sure.
And that's not even talking about how useless the Haven vendors are

[slate ruin]

what’s the best talents for a pvp skill build

i’m thinking like shock and awe with combined arms

[hexed steppe]

Combined easier to proc that shock and awe. Shock and awe lasts for considerably longer when it is proc. Both are bag talents so you wont be using both at same time

[stiff jasper]

In fact, no

[stiff jasper]

@slate ruin first there 2 popular and useful type of skill build with damage, mortar and fire

Mortar use awe and fire use deathcreep(or awe)

Both build can apply status by skill so easy to activate awe

Combine seems easier because you only need to shoot enemy, in fact you don't shoot are better than shoot mostly

When you shoot someone, means someone can able to shoot you also, meanwhile as a skill build you are really crispy, it is huge risk and really small return if you shoot, unless you are already secure your safty

As a skill build, you need to dealing huge damage or giving a lot pressure meanwhile stay safe

BTW it is quite offen people say skill build noob or something else, basically skill build are difficult to play good

[tawdry flare]

Deathcreep new talent?

[stiff jasper]

That spider, I forgot it's English name

[shy willow]

Creeping death

[slate ruin]

do you think this would be decent to start off with then? or should i roll my chest talent to glass cannon or something

[stiff jasper]

Glass cannon
Change brand
Hive change fire Chem
Firewall

[shy willow]

As I understand it fire builds are the PvP meta

[slate ruin]

so three piece empress? also if i wanted to make a stinger build could i just switch wave form for vile?

[stiff jasper]

I don't recommend stinger, but if you really love stinger, then keep using vile, it's fine, don't use wave

[cyan drift]

At a certain point, yes. But the campus vendor is just plain terrible. 13 weeks in a row, she had terrible marksman rifles for sale, if we count the white death with bad rolls

[lyric prism]

I go to sleep, you are complaining about it, I wake up, you are complaining about it.

you have a vendetta against that vendor.

[shy willow]

As their name implies

[hexed steppe]

i would mention it should be 3 empress or no empress, you lose 10% in every skill bucket not taking the 3rd piece for skill efficiency

[onyx sage]

headhunter

[shy willow]

headhunter

[tulip charm]

headhunter

[tawdry flare]

Headhunter

[wise swallow]

A meta

Fire builds are very easily countered

Gun builds will always be king cuz you can’t counter them

Mortar you kinda can’t counter either

[vestal ibex]

Can't you get like 80% explosion resist now? Would it be worth it?

[stiff jasper]

Basically it worth, but meanwhile expo resist build 80% of playtime you won't use it, expo resist are actually against mortar, not like hazard, you can against cc supporter, not fire only

So why not cavalier

[vestal ibex]

I'm having a stroke reading that...

[stiff jasper]

Agree, and sniper are most brainless based on this
Other gun may melt you fast, but sniper able to 1 shot from far away

[urban latch]

Are crit body shots MMR builds able to 1 tap now?

[stiff jasper]

My English bad sorry,
I mean , for example
Cavalier can counter 5 build
Hazard counter 3
But expo only counter 1, and Cavalier can counter that 1 build too

[stiff jasper]

Focus vigilance nemesis able

[wise swallow]

Yea but you’ll have a horrible build that only counters 1 build and 1 build only

Haz pro counters a wider rage on builds

[vestal ibex]

All good, I know what you mean. I personally don't PVP and don't think about it too much tbh.

[wise swallow]

Byeah you can still counter mortar it’s just really niche

[urban latch]

The other downside of explosive resist builds is that it does nothing to counter the stagger from the mortar. So you can be hit, and even if you survive your still stuck in that area and can just keep getting hit from it, or just set you up to be killed by others

[stiff jasper]

It will use swyer but problem of swyer, it don't have hazard roll

[gentle lichen]

Sawyer's as replacement from catharsis on meta can help

[gentle lichen]

Hazpro/explosive resist? Headshot damage or crit?

[stiff jasper]

Usually expo and crit and smg
Mortar build not able to kill you, and you able to melt Mortar build
But, you still bleed by mortar, then your movement speed slow, then his teammate able to kill you before you rush and kill mortar

[stiff jasper]

On a related note, main purpose of most build counter are giving pressure to enemy and make advantage, for example, in this picture, since mortar can't handle expo resist, so it need help from team, then red side are able 3v2 at front, or direct hit the enemy who backward red side

if green side don't help their mortar team, then green may become passive since red side are cut off battle field and they can backstab and 4v3 whenever they want

[magic pilot]

Yes if you build off long coyotes buff

[magic pilot]

His first language isn't English

[vestal ibex]

Yet a native English speaker could have written that too.

[tulip charm]

I same do that

[onyx sage]

i speak no good and write bad

[blissful rampart]

@stiff jasper heya for your 1st language not being English, you are doing pretty good!!

[glossy scarab]

i read it and im so used to people typing hastily that it didnt even cross my mind that this person might not be a native english speaker

[hexed steppe]

teh fnnuy tihng is yuo olny rellay raed frsit and lsat leettrs aywnays, so most of the time word blunders make little difference 😅

[glossy scarab]

i love that trick. scrambled letters totally easy to read still

[hexed steppe]

brains are just pattern recognition machines 💯

[glossy scarab]

yeah. mine sees patterns that arent there all the time

[hexed steppe]

thats the mushrooms /s

[glossy scarab]

if i look at a blank white wall for more than like 10 seconds it starts to take on other colors and develop geometric patterns

lol yea no mush required

not anymore anyway

[hexed steppe]

😆

[magic pilot]

He's sleeping now lol

[vestal ibex]

What a stalker...

[blissful rampart]

ah yea i can see that now, hes all tucked in

[acoustic coral]

i bad no speak write and good

[acoustic coral]

get off this guy's webcam

[magic pilot]

No I just know it's like 4am for him rn

[scarlet kindle]

What are weapons based off of?

I’m always getting level 40 but I’m at 70

[acoustic coral]

Huh?
Ooohh, buddy. Level 40 = your actual level.
What you see as "70" is your SHD level, paragon - not actual level

[scarlet kindle]

So how do I get better weapons?been trying but haven’t figured it out

[acoustic coral]

wdym better weapons though?
What's your build?

[scarlet kindle]

One sec need to hop on can I send a picture of my build or how do I show?

[acoustic coral]

Something like this (with regards to how you show)

[acoustic coral]

Okay, so. Nothing ill meant, but your build is shit. I figure you've just been dipping your toes into "getting your own build together", but I can recommend reading this message.

#td2-build-advice message

[scarlet kindle]

Yes sorry just joined this server

[acoustic coral]

Nah, all good my man - you're in the right place. The message I linked goes a bit into how to learn about builds and stuff ❤️

[vestal ibex]

Bro is just giving it straight, he doesn't mean harm.

[magic pilot]

If you need a group send me a message

[acoustic coral]

no homo and all that

[vestal ibex]

Not even a lil?

[acoustic coral]

it's what I gotta say to remain straight

[magic pilot]

Personally I have a slight curve....

[acoustic coral]

I, too, am on the spectrum

[scarlet kindle]

@magic pilot never really played in a group but do have a clan

[vestal ibex]

Hit this man up and play with him if you get the chance. Is a super gud dude.

[magic pilot]

Awww so sweet 🥰

[scarlet kindle]

Ok thank you guys for helping been looking for some sort of help

[magic pilot]

Our clan is active, most play grouped up

[acoustic coral]

Just don't tell him you're keeping a chameleon

[onyx sage]

straight to the point

[vestal ibex]

Yeah you can share loot with those you are playing with. As for right now getting onto a build guide would be best.

[onyx sage]

you, me, tonight, zoo.

[acoustic coral]

better not be as late tho, cuz I gotta get up earlier tmrw

[onyx sage]

how about in 2 hours?

[scarlet kindle]

@magic pilot not mine just joined a random group most don’t be on

[blissful rampart]

My name is Azur "the Sledgehammer" Men32 and i approve this man! ^^

[acoustic coral]

How about 1?

[magic pilot]

Fastest way to get a good build is play with as many people as you can that have most of their builds done that will share loot and target farm for you

[onyx sage]

aight i'm leaving work early 🛏️

[vestal ibex]

Duo lego zoo?

[onyx sage]

ye

[vestal ibex]

Sub 20?

[onyx sage]

nahhh not that hardcore

[acoustic coral]

Damn, cuh, I'm not that important ❤️

[onyx sage]

i will be teaching him how to speed kill the bosses tho

[vestal ibex]

The old shove it up their bum?

[onyx sage]

yep

[acoustic coral]

I.... don't think he should leave work early to teach me how to shove it up their bum

[scarlet kindle]

@magic pilot normally do missions with other randoms don’t really do any multiplayer also don’t have anyone that plays it in friends or in clan probably join your clan if that’s fine

[magic pilot]

Ofc

Sent you a friend request on discord

[onyx sage]

too bad

[acoustic coral]

I'm sure we could link up plenty of other times, just gotta head to bed in around 2 hours, get up a bit earlier and get done with some homework before I head over to uni for another day

[onyx sage]

oke, no worries

just got home

[foggy crag]

I just played around with the build ap i saw in the pinned section. I am definetly going to farm the advised builds but I wanted to see if this build would be kinda ok . The playstyle is mostly based around the grenadier with a lmg , so i think i kinda succeeded in that and I know it probably will be meh still wanted an opinion of the community ^^

[acoustic coral]

I mean, it could probably do hard - maybe challenging, but thing is, no minor attributes buff grenade explosions (afaik atleast)

[foggy crag]

oh yeah i know I have no clue what those things are and what they do 😅
I also don't have any upgrades done for my skills because i don't know what to do for them 😅

[acoustic coral]

in minor attributes you have stuff from crit change, crit damage, skill damage - all those different stats, but there's no 'explosive' damage there.
if you're lucky you'll get some of the guys in here who had one of the Festive Delivery backpack builds (christmas only item, that you can keep after)

Your best bet at getting to understand how you can put builds together yourself is by starting with getting one of the sheet builds together, then learn how those works, why they give you damage and stuff

Some things sound good on paper, but then you find out it doesn't actually make you that strong, because of how stuff is calculated together in the game - this is something you'll understand along the way. Even if you don't go all nerdy with it, picking a build guide from the sheet and just following that will get you a long way with different builds.
After that you can always just ask around in here for alternatives, then all the maths nerds (me included) will swarm to you and say " 🤓 Well technically, you can do 2% more damage with THIS SPECIFIC THING"

[foggy crag]

Yeah I think the build I was looking at is called the striker build for the dps?

Now I want those grenades xD

[waxen grotto]

someone can help i dont do enough dps

[sudden fog]

Well

[patent elm]

have you tried not using armor cores

[waxen grotto]

yea but then my survivability would go down

[hexed steppe]

use coyote mask, move a hb piece to holster, use a ceska vigilance bag... make sure your attributes are crit chance to 50% and dump the rest into crit damage.

[patent elm]

yea no thats a misconception

your best survivability is killing stuff before it can damage you

[waxen grotto]

ig

[hexed steppe]

i would swap at least a couple to red core

[waxen grotto]

hey btw do yk why i cant go to tinkering on assult rifles

[hexed steppe]

2 assault rifles equipped maybe. there has been some minor bugs going on with it

[waxen grotto]

oh ok

[hexed steppe]

try swapping elmo to a shotgun temporarily

[waxen grotto]

kk

thx it worked

[hexed steppe]

nice

you may also consider making it a permanent swap from elmo > acs12 for stacking purposes

[waxen grotto]

oh yea i was thinking of farming rock n roll too?

but idk which one better

[hexed steppe]

any will work. i personally like lefty since it gives more utility with sledgehammer

[waxen grotto]

oh yea ill try that

[hexed steppe]

your bonus armor and shield should be able to keep vigilance active. which would be a huge damage buff even if you used mostly blue core

[waxen grotto]

yea youre right ill change like 3 cores to dmg maybe 4

[hexed steppe]

yeah not gonna hurt, see how far you want to take it and find the right mix. i would check the pinned spreadsheet in this channels pins. there should be a HB build guide where you can see what a high damage version looks like. another similar set but a bit higher damage is striker, but doesnt give bonus armor.

what does your crit chance/damage look like (stats tab)

[waxen grotto]

i havent optimized everything yet so its not final

[hexed steppe]

is it all crit chance mods on the kingbreaker

[waxen grotto]

yea except the laser thing for pulse

[hexed steppe]

ok cool. yeah ceska would have you sitting at 57% chc which would be ideal if not using coyote. your crit chance is one of the biggest factors in your overall dps

[waxen grotto]

alr alr thx

ill go farm for it now

[hexed steppe]

nice 🍻

[waxen grotto]

🍻

[warm cypress]

how much crit damage should I be running

[final orchid]

For a ND build is it better to run vigilance bag or ND bag and what chest talent should I be going for? Spotter?

[versed summit]

Obliterate works fine for chest. Vigilance or ND backpack is personal preference. Do you need more single target dps or can you afford to dump it into the multi target dps?

[versed summit]

Assuming you’re running an AR for obliterate btw. For a rifle run glass, then spotter if you don’t like glass

[final orchid]

Yea I will be using kingbreaker and was just browing through my weapons but how good is Dare for this build?

Think I will try using coyotes mask and ND bag first to see how it feels

[versed summit]

Dare is pretty mid. No linked laser pointer

[final orchid]

Oh got it that makes sense

[scarlet kindle]

@acoustic coral hey sorry to bother how about this

But red

[acoustic coral]

repeating this

[hexed steppe]

you definitely want to use the nd bag. if running into issues with needing more single target damage , then use striker

[tawdry flare]

You can use vigilance instead of bag tbh no harm in it

[versed summit]

lowkey a hot take tbh. the Vigilance setup is in Raucey's build guide as well as iKia's build collection.

[magic pilot]

You should use vigi bag if you aren't able to mark 3 constantly

[shy willow]

If you can mark 3 you out DPS vigi right

[shy willow]

Take it from me aegis is garbage

The collector is a funny niche item but that's not particularly good either

It might help to know exactly what you want your build to do

[scarlet kindle]

I basically want to withstand for a while and spam trigger out of range sense I like using scorpio shotgun

[shy willow]

If you want survivalibity and wanna play with the Scorpio I can recommend hunters fury

Check the spreadsheet pinned in this channel for more info

[scarlet kindle]

I’ve done that but didn’t understand much of it

[shy willow]

Just copy paste

[scarlet kindle]

Ok thanks how do I get hunters fury? Don’t have that

[tawdry flare]

Countdown

[scarlet kindle]

Ok thanks need to get them

[scarlet kindle]

Why does it always say zero? For damage

In countdown

[shy willow]

Known bug

[rich lotus]

Whats the dz target loot

[hexed steppe]

Idk, if failing to maintain marks you wont be out damaging striker.
Also I imagine a lot of nego setups are utilizing obliterate, so vigilance drops in value.
Vigilance can also be shut off with a hit.
I get vigi is an alternative setup, but it seems it would be inferior to striker if used as a compensation to lacking marks.

[rich lotus]

Wait when does loot pool reset on map?

[tawdry flare]

Every day at <t:1710403202:t>

[rich lotus]

Ah I see I thought it was around same time as weekly reset

[tawdry flare]

This is the time for daily reset as you would say

Weekly reset is <t:1710230400:F>

[wheat anchor]

54% chc 104% chd

93.5% hazprot

Immune to basically everything except like 1 tick of poison, which Im never gonna encounter

[glossy scarab]

thats handy but honestly i dont know if you have the damage to take on hunter(s)

[wheat anchor]

I can always cheese it on normal

Or just get a mag full of shock ammo

[glossy scarab]

yea true, but theyre still kinda tough

[wheat anchor]

It worked for floor 100 at least

[glossy scarab]

oh thats good then

[wheat anchor]

If not, I have the scorpio

[glossy scarab]

oh yeah break out scorp if you get in trouble

[warm socket]

How do i get the Big horn?

[split lagoon]

How bad is Aegis compared to other tank gear sets?

[wise swallow]

Yes

[wise swallow]

Legendary named enemies

[tawdry flare]

Just ran with a guy yesterday and he got Oreo bighorn on the first clear

[warm socket]

Just in the World map?

[tawdry flare]

In summit or legendary missions only

[wise swallow]

Gotta be legendary

[wise swallow]

I would do summit flr 10

thats how i got mine

[acoustic coral]

You basically want to go in a specific build guide and copy the picture - then follow what is recommended in the text of the guide with regards to attributes, tips and what not.

I've linked a message to you twice about understanding builds - read that, then read the power hierarchy (also linked) with regards how you gain power via the guides

[rich lotus]

Same

Got about 3 in a v short span there

[split lagoon]

If Aces and Eights and Aegis are really bad, then I already deconstructed those armor pieces I have.

[glossy scarab]

lol

[split lagoon]

What about Hard Wired, Future Initiative, Eclipse Protocol, and Ortiz: Exuro?

I haven't got my incenerator turret proficient.

[glossy scarab]

future, eclipse good

[rich lotus]

HW good for DH raid
FI prob best healer build
Eclipse is alrighty

[split lagoon]

I deconstructed Hard Wired when I thought of a good healer build.

Any good from Rigger?

[versed summit]

no

[rich lotus]

Some gears are just there to exist lol purely visual

[split lagoon]

Anyway I'm going to deconstruct Rigger since I made the gear set proficient.

[acoustic coral]

If you aren't actively going for a build, I wouldn't bother thinking if "something is good" - unless it's a godrolled brand set/named - and even if then, it's not always worth keeping.

[split lagoon]

The Rigger gear set's logo looks like Black Tusk.

[rich lotus]

This

[versed summit]

IMO it's good to stock up on well rolled pieces and get rid of what you don't need when you run out of space and figure out what's actually useful

[split lagoon]

The other reason I have to deconstruct them is my stash space.

[glossy scarab]

yea i dunno why i keep hanging onto my umbra pieces. i never use it but its all max rolls so im like weellll

[versed summit]

there's honestly no reason to keep skill tier gearsets stashed though, excepty maybe FI. You can always craft or farm them, and skill tier is always maxed, so you can recal the other attributes.

[versed summit]

I have a very high number of umbra max rolls depsite never looking for them🤔

[glossy scarab]

yeah i never farmed it lol

the game just gave it to me

[split lagoon]

Since I have both the Classic M44 Carbine and the White Death, I think I might deconstruct the original.

[glossy scarab]

yea dont need the m44

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, that's kinda what I was on - some pieces makes no sense to keep, because you can get them so easily,
But a CHC, CHD, Obli chest of some sort is a keeper - especially if highrolled

[versed summit]

Yep. m44 carbine is redundant with White Death, which the WD is also redundant with the M700

[glossy scarab]

WD fell off itself too

[split lagoon]

Anyway the White Death is among the best of the bunch.

[rich lotus]

Dont think I've ever used umbra yet

1600 shd lvl did all raids and everything

All legendaries

Is it worth it?

[versed summit]

no

[rich lotus]

Guess I'm not missing much

Some sets I just look and I'm like huh

[versed summit]

probably worth checking out for fun ig, but not really

[brisk barn]

The green pieces(Gear sets) are among the easiest stuff to farm and keeping them or not keeping them depends entirely if one of the two stats you get is maxed (and it’s what you want to be maxed) and whether or not you want to build with them.
It’s more complex with high end and high end talents but generally if you don’t want to use the gear set don’t keep it

[brisk barn]

This is especially the case with skill tier sets because then it’s just a matter of “am I using this” to which the answer is probably “no”

[split lagoon]

The problem with White Death is the talent is random.

[wise swallow]

?

reroll it?

all you gotta do is get either, good talent or decent rolled WD

[timid shale]

Don't get attached to one drop of a single weapon unless its stats are a godroll. You can get 5+ more in a 15 minute run of Countdown. I did two runs the other night to put together a Hot Shot build that everyone is running and got an amazing SR-1. Probably had 10 total to choose from.

@split lagoon

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, but that's RNG lmao - I've done several heroic countdown with:

• LMG as I needed 3 max stats for my recal lib. I went from 6/30 proficient to 21/30 proficient without getting a single max stat for my recal lib
• MMR, as I was looking for M700Tac, M700C, SR-1 - with the only actual good ones being acquired as random rolls in LZ content
  RNG be RNG

[glossy scarab]

rng + time = great success

rng + right now = fck

[acoustic coral]

If I rename myself to rng, will you rename to right now? 😳

[glossy scarab]

im always right now

[blissful rampart]

right now youre not 😛

[acoustic coral]

I read that with Borat's voice

[glossy scarab]

yeah that must be where i picked up great success

[tawdry flare]

/Nick right

[lyric prism]

so, at work bored. Sort of drew this up using St. Elmo's. 105 round mag.

so if you spam the whole mag at them they get clipped by the shock ammo without reload, I think.

[glossy scarab]

it goes higher. i think i got mine with a mag size roll on it to 126

or 118 at least

using brazos and tue patriot pieces

[lyric prism]

ok TP. was going to say.

[glossy scarab]

its useless tho

[versed summit]

tbh I think mag size builds would actually work better for Lady Death, since it builds stacks equal to mag size

[lyric prism]

the TP or the amount of ammo in the mag? I'm guessing TP.

and yea I could see it working best with LD. I chose Elmo's bc of the shock ammo.

I prefer armor builds and given the 'spray and pray' nature of them having the shock ammo pop without reload would be nice.

I need to see if it actually does pop in without reload though

[versed summit]

Shooting an enemy gives 1 stack, at 100 stacks the next magazine is filled with shock ammo.

don't think so 😦

[lyric prism]

yea would make sense. the setup is worthless without that, at least Elmo's.

as rediculous as it sounds be better for LD or go hazpro and use Backfire.

even without shock ammo available that quick its a hell of a lot of damage thrown from range.

minus chest talent w/ Backfire. Totally reliant on Backfire stacking on the reported 75 round mag.

you are exactly crit capped though.

rather just run LD.

[acoustic coral]

sometimes "let him cook" doesn't apply. sometimes

[lyric prism]

not when you are doing the shooting, no.

I will say Strikers w/ Backfire is fun once it stacks Obliterate but damn does it take a minute.

[shy willow]

wtf is that

[lyric prism]

boredom at work with a website.

[acoustic coral]

he took a cooking course on fiverr

[shy willow]

[gentle lichen]

Trying to make backfire work is like trying to work out an abusive relationship

[lyric prism]

its that wonderful

lel

[stoic dock]

Anyone got an crazy dps build for the ouroboros?

[acoustic coral]

I mean, some people thrive like that

[urban latch]

Strikers, hunters fury, and nego are all very good with it

[stoic dock]

What parts stikers or hunters? Any exo like coyote and what off piece then?

@urban latch

[urban latch]

Check the pinned Google doc, there's guides in there for each with various setups

[stoic dock]

Where can i find the pin

[acoustic coral]

In this channel

[stoic dock]

It only explaines what does what but not whats the best build though

[tulip charm]

Because its all depends on many factors.

There isn't a best build.

[acoustic coral]

Use ouro instead of elmo, win

You can swap stuff around, but whatevs, you're gonna be killing fast anyways

Same goes for all the builds in there.

[stoic dock]

I couldnt find any builds though

I clicked everything

[acoustic coral]

@stoic dock And like, note who is sending you to the sheets

• Click pinned button
• Click the first link (Link to The Spreadsheet 2)
• Go to Hub (Builds)
• Click a link to build

[stoic dock]

I did

It sended me to the list which set does what and what guns in each category does what dmg

[hexed steppe]

Each build line has a link at the end for detailed breakdowns

[stoic dock]

But there where no builds

[acoustic coral]

There's atleast 50 or so links on that page YEP

[stoic dock]

K ill try that thx

NOW i found the builds

Sry for the complications actualy it was the first time i used spreadsheets so thx for explaining

[lyric prism]

ok, here is boredom. not sure if this works in reality but i might survive 2 secs.

minus the RPK. nothing else to put there.

or is a regen setup in reality not worth the time for say DZ usage?

[glossy scarab]

you need very high regen for it to be worth it

like 120k/s

that range

which limits you to using ouroboros for it to have dmg

[lyric prism]

I can get there but the dps is just not there.

[glossy scarab]

but it works

[lyric prism]

still fishing for the Ouro.

[glossy scarab]

oooh see that makes all the difference

i can take a build i always ran full red with an smg and give it three blues and with ouro its still totally viable for clearing content fast

[lyric prism]

so If I did run something like the above just give up the regen and full send with 6 blues. the nbbp helps run things around but I know ad rush is a giant need at times.

[glossy scarab]

yeah adrenaline rush is very good

[lyric prism]

I sort of got an idea. I have this:

and a full red Matador stashed.

baring that was just going to make a walker w/ ad rush until I get a better named drop.

still working on that idea.

[glossy scarab]

nice

[lyric prism]

a regen to the max is what - 3p gila/1p belstone/emp knees/something? or 2p golan?

[patent elm]

How does adrenaline rush actually work

I never really understood from the description

[lyric prism]

agressive mob is there, get armor.

you do nothing.

[glossy scarab]

3pc gila, 2 pc golan, 1 pc belstone

[magic pilot]

Ehh

3 pc Gila is over rated

[glossy scarab]

not saying its great or even good

[magic pilot]

It gives you less armor regen per piece than Golan

[lyric prism]

.5% if you use emp knees

[glossy scarab]

i replace emperors guard with belstone because emperors guard is missing an attribute and theyre both 1%

[lyric prism]

hsd build.

[magic pilot]

Memento, 2pc Golan, belstone, and emperors

[glossy scarab]

yeah that too

if you can maintain those memento stack in the dz you'll be doing pretty well

but still thats why i always go with adrenaline rush bc i hate dying and losing my hard work collecting memento trophies

[magic pilot]

ad rush is a huge immediate boost

[lyric prism]

lately it seems to come down to 'Ouro vs any nonstatus = dead'.

[glossy scarab]

couple pieces from my regen build

[lyric prism]

so tell me this. Everyday Carrier. To get the full effect the quick heal is not the way but you have to do the whole kit use correct?

[magic pilot]

Yep

My regen build is for group play, hence survivalist

Solo I would run firewall or demo

[lyric prism]

yea I got one of those like that in the bank. took a few.

[lyric prism]

I tried a build like yours just not as blue. I can't get used to bighorn usage. scoping vs. whittle their faces off.

in a group i could see it.

[magic pilot]

In group you are there to be annoying as possible and medkit for the team

I wanna try the same build with a cavalier player on my team and remove the hazpro for headshot

Would get 50% more hsd dmg

[lyric prism]

is this a crackhead dream that won't work for Elmo's?

105 rounds is interesting in an 'I have 105 rounds' way.

[magic pilot]

Personally I'm a big 3pc Brazos hater so I won't answer

[lyric prism]

its a lot to not use for much to get from a brandset.

I wish it was on a 2p but going all the way for 3p leaves you with something like that above.

[finite anvil]

trinkets now that im 40...any use or just sell it all and get RICH?

[vestal ibex]

Rich off trinket selling lol

I've looked at how much my trinkets would sell for and it isn't shit, just run a bounty or turn in 1 scav point for credits. I don't know if there is a use for trinkets but sell em or don't, probably wont affect you at all.

[magic pilot]

Sometimes daily missions require certain ones to turn in

Or random npc will ask for items

[vestal ibex]

I personally keep them.

[magic pilot]

You don't help the starving kids in DC?

[finite anvil]

shame have so many always wondered what they were used for

[acoustic coral]

Trinkets are for safekeeping

[frosty trout]

Really fell in "like" with this 100% Hazard Protection Striker build, when stack it hits hard

[lyric prism]

"when"

I did the exact same build. unless you need the hazpro you get the same damage on a non-backfire setup. Ramp is quicker too

as much as I love oddball builds - I point to the above - even I have to say 'yea...um, no' at some point.

[rocky rain]

Are more people experiencing an unstable server connection?

[lyric prism]

only place I use backfire is in my dz boxfarm build.

[lyric prism]

Countdown likes to disconnect at the extraction and sometimes in heroics, yes.

[hexed steppe]

Mine has been solid. Might be worth a wifi reset if you keep dropping connection

[lyric prism]

actually it won't sync to ubisoft right now.

and it won't connect. rip.

[rocky rain]

Might be PS issues it seems. Thanks!

[lyric prism]

you know you need to check the pins more when you are in the builder and making a pvp set you might use....and you check and realize you made the basic face tank one.

[lyric prism]

I'm on PC.

[muted hare]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKqAsA2GBWETgSQBhDvvcAuSATihFVAmDOEojhLFX1YK0OQlWgmrBzAA7FlE5GzGP3Yy8hSdFgy6UkAA5ZmjhnKVl9EBJZb2xJDxj7DTA2zvzkcQzCwQNYJHDfVBqMFUI6aCdgLFB3JDAyQV8YIXB5L2dIUEoNBHCNUJQCMEJtMiioHnjUJz9A6kVjbOycMCA

hey guys how does this build look? i don't have all the parts but this is for DZ any advice?

[lyric prism]

say no to rifle.

[muted hare]

what would be a better choice?

i was trying to find a good smg but some don't catch my eye

[lyric prism]

if you want rifle, run Contractors gloves, move the Grupo to the knees.

[fresh grove]

My games does the whole countdown crash thingie it’s annoying af

[muted hare]

the rifle is more for the NPC and the kingbreaker is for players

but what would be a better choice tho for a weapon?

[lyric prism]

Ouro for subgun above all guns but if not - Lady Death if you can use it properly, MP7 got a nice buff.

if you are going it that way, then yea keep the rifle.

but swap in Contractors, move grupo elsewhere. Contractors will give you 3% more dta

wait, rifle.

swap knees to Fox's Prayer

10% rifle damage, dttoc 8%.

it will help you on both weapons. at least.

and ad rush on the backpack. unstoppable force is nice until you get rogue'd

[tulip charm]

Where's your crit chance

[muted hare]

its standing at 60%

thats what the website is saying at least

[lyric prism]

website says 22%

[tulip charm]

I see a ton of chd and armor regen

[lyric prism]

and the parts you have on don't equal 60^.

[muted hare]

ohhh ok

my bad

[lyric prism]

even not counting 3x 5% on Kingbreaker. that counted would only be 37%. you need some chc.

[tulip charm]

but whats the build about

armor gen?

[muted hare]

for DZ

its just a DPS build but with some survivability

cause striker takes a decent amount of build stacking in DZ or any form of pvp at least when i tried it

so i was just looking to make something with good dps but i can also take some hits

[tulip charm]

Generally you dont want to mix crit and armor regen due to it taking too much slots unless you go smg

[muted hare]

ah ok what should i do then?

[tulip charm]

or keep it simple and go full blue?

@wise swallow

@magic pilot

[muted hare]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKqAsA2GBWETgSQBhDvvcAuSATinBgpIHYUZN6D9nDkIJp36dhqt+c6CBiai8hMKk6V8wVCOxixhEdNCz5DZkqwS4MNaLkgAHGh3LJ+-cCzD2SOBBPCeqMKDArk0G1lgO4GQ8bjC0XmBOIPqQoPJmCKAmZrZ0OF66wGRgZJBStKj67irC0MYhMPhgQA

[tulip charm]

Help the homie with a build

[muted hare]

🥲

[lyric prism]

I would go full blue or you can use the one in the spreadsheet

I would just swap your knees to Fox's Prayer and otherwise put chc in place of the armor regen.

someone is pulse immune you are dead but that is the hard counter.

also you only get like 30k/sec? or just under when all six pieces rolled armor regen at max rolls.

you got 1.8 million armor. fly-sized drop in an oil tanker ship.

[warm socket]

How do i get the iron lung now

[tulip charm]

Depends how lucky you are

[warm socket]

But Where do i get it

[tulip charm]

Its in the general exotic pool

[warm socket]

So just farming countdown LMG?

[tulip charm]

yeah

[dense ledge]

Probably the 2 most fun build I use rn

Vile just makes it even better for Countdown

[urban latch]

😬

[dense ledge]

Or you can use a grupo chest to accomplish the same effect

[tulip charm]

Hey but its fun!

[lyric prism]

he had grupo hands.

[vestal ibex]

You gotta live up to your name more

[tulip charm]

too lazy atm

[dense ledge]

I get bored running Striker or Tank constantly so it’s fun to experiment with random things.

Tried using Elmo’s but nah

Takes too long to proc shock

[hexed steppe]

as a replacement for the providence? 2pc prov is chc...

[dense ledge]

I just realized

Don’t shoot me

[hexed steppe]

could replace both tho, ceska/grupo for better results

gift is kinda just a flex

[lyric prism]

don't make me post my dz boxfarmer build.

[lyric prism]

looks its so weird/bad I don't even remember what I put on it. I randomly decided to use backfire the other day and actually was able to kill stuff.

[dense ledge]

The biggest flex is keeping builds to yourself and not letting anyone know your secrets

[magic pilot]

What's up?

[magic pilot]

Closer, coyotes, ceska vigi backpack, grupo gloves, fox and contractors (dont have a pic of this one for some reason)

Kingbreaker or g36 for weapons

Run 3r/3b

[muted hare]

Thanks

[magic pilot]

If you want to be tanky I have other builds

[muted hare]

For PvP?

[magic pilot]

Ideally you want f2000 now

[magic pilot]

Yes

[muted hare]

Bet what’s you have

And the one weapon I don’t have it’s EB

[magic pilot]

These are the main 3 I've been recommending for people getting into PvP

If you have Ouro I highly recommend using that

[muted hare]

I don’t have that either sadly iv been trying to find ppl to run those but I have 0 luck but thanks for the build I’ll definitely try them

[magic pilot]

Replace famas with shield splinterer if you have it or regular f2k if you got one

I need to update all my pictures damn

[gentle lichen]

Is that a boomstick

[magic pilot]

Of course lol

Boomstick meta

[gentle lichen]

Backup boomstick is actually so fun to use

Combo that with bulwark to get hatemail

[magic pilot]

The regular one will one shot most players at 5 blue when you have the stacks up

[magic pilot]

Solid

[sudden fog]

Another chest open and another no oreo

[runic sphinx]

any good aegis pvp builds?

[rich lotus]

Does anyone know how i can better this build, this build works amazing for challenging pve and it works well in dark zones but i find that this build does struggle in heroic and of course pvp and i dont really know what i can do to make this build even more powerful, any suggestions? I’m thinking replace the sokolov with grupo sombra but idk if that would be enough

[vestal ibex]

Ceska/obliterate chest first one. What's your overall CHC/CHD?

[rich lotus]

57.7% CHC on Lady death and 108.6% CHD

[magic pilot]

It literally doesn't work in PvP

[vestal ibex]

Blue attribute on gloves would probably net you the 12% CHD your missing I guess. idk the lady death just isn't a very good SMG. Suggesting the ouro is an easy to way to really increase your damage but idk if you don't have it or something.

Ceska would increase your overall damage and would allow you to bring your CHD up almost 40% too. Obliterate is a huge damage increase aswell.

You've built this build around a lot of survivablity but you are probably on that tipping point where stuff kills you before you kill it. Dead things don't shoot back.

[magic pilot]

Personally I would drop 1-2 blue cores with memento

[gentle lichen]

3 blues sounds ideal cause cqb and you'll make use of the bonus armor