td2-build-advice

[acoustic coral]

That's how I got my reggie. Ain't no way I'm anything other than a dps

[glossy scarab]

Too much pressure. Let the raid ultra vets handle the big boy things

[blazing crystal]

im doing a 4 piece striker what should i make my other 2 pieces? i kinda want them to be armor cause im only shd 57

[acoustic coral]

Shoot first, ask questions later.
Mask: Grupo (or coyotes)
Chest: Ceska with Obliterate

[blazing crystal]

this for me?

[acoustic coral]

Yes

[blazing crystal]

sweet thanks

also is shoot first ask questions later a gun

[acoustic coral]

No, it's just - best defense is a good offense

[blazing crystal]

i mostly play solo is glass cannon ok for that?

[acoustic coral]

I wouldn't with striker's, but I don't know if anyone else got thoughts on the viability.
If you feel like you die too fast now, you're gonna suffer with glass cannon imo

[blazing crystal]

this is my current build and yea i feel a little weak rn

most bursts from elites put me down in like 3 seconds

playing on challenging with fog of war, special ammo and scavenged skills

[acoustic coral]

As the power hierachy goes:

1. The correct pieces for a build - with correct talent
2. The correct rolls - not perfect - on all pieces.
3. Perfect rolls

Your first goal:
Mask: Grupo (or coyotes)
Chest: Ceska with Obliterate

Second goal: get the correct rolls (chc and chd)

[blazing crystal]

thankfully i got the next 4 days off

[acoustic coral]

Goal 1 is the easier one for you
Goal 2 is somewhat easy to obtain
Goal 3 is the long. fun, grind.

[lucid wolf]

hey, just out of curiosity, did anyone know to build system corruption? for pvp purposes

[gentle lichen]

It's not that great especially when they fixed the insta medkit on it

[hexed steppe]

System kind of a not great set.
I imagine ceska/grupo chest and bag. Unbreakable / adrenaline rush. Possibly intimidate

[gentle lichen]

It was actually a really great choice when you used to pull infinite insta medkits

[hexed steppe]

Too bad it was short lived

[lyric prism]

Check me on this.

given I have dttoc on Elmo's would it be better to swap to Contractors?

would help the secondary some but thinking on DR issues plus would pick up DTA for Elmo's since its in use 90% of the time.

[glossy scarab]

Looks good. You could go with coyotes mask instead of foxes and probably do just as good if not better. Since it's only crit DMG that is shared between marks, higher chd might beat out the dttooc on foxes

[lyric prism]

building this one w/o Coyotes, that is how it always was.

[glossy scarab]

Yeah standard

[lyric prism]

given I run lmg's do much was thinking

same chc/chd but dttoc to dta to help elmo's a bit.

[glossy scarab]

I think the lmg DMG and data would be better

[lyric prism]

the lmg type don't matter, I swap around a lot.

[glossy scarab]

Oh nvm

[lyric prism]

yea, was thinking so too.

well, I swap lmg's around, still usually my secondary.

I rarely use a rifle.

[glossy scarab]

Yeah I was gonna say at least it running an lmg and not a rifle

[lyric prism]

bc that thing just slaps a yellow bar down.

[glossy scarab]

Yeah I love that lmg. I keep a few different versions

[lyric prism]

yea I got an insync m-RPK for my tech setup. I got a fast hands but rarely used it. I have a GR9 w/ steady handed and rof mod for that need.

on Strikers the GR9 is at 900rpm.

[glossy scarab]

Nice. Gr9 w steady is nice

[lyric prism]

its fun.

Yes. refills the mag endlessly. more dmg than BK. Frankly I like it better bc it makes you aim vs just spam bc you can run out.

[glossy scarab]

Way better handling than bk too

[lyric prism]

yes.

[glossy scarab]

I'm liking pestilence for the first time after the lengmo set came out. End up w 70% lmg DMG I think which is huge for tick dmg

[lyric prism]

yea I haven't tried Pesti w/ that set yet, I need to.

[glossy scarab]

I don't have perfect pieces yet but my build gets 1.5 mil per tick when stacked up

[lyric prism]

wow.

[glossy scarab]

Like 8 ticks kills an elite lol

Maybe less

[lyric prism]

yea need to whip that up next.

still screwing with a Red FI setup to make it hazpro immune. the compromises suck.

I figured it out but farming pieces in CD takes a min

[glossy scarab]

Yeah I avoid builds where I have to make big sacrifices for something like hazpro. Except armor Regen builds

[lyric prism]

yea this is a straight support'ish build mainly for CD.

three times I went in yesterday and we died on the extract bc no one had cc. I run my EP cc set which is immune and its a walk in the park.

[glossy scarab]

Yeah support builds are usually not the first choice for cd but it's a great choice

[lyric prism]

yea. even just one person with banshee makes all the world.

[glossy scarab]

Yeah I usually take that role at the end when they're dropping from the helo

[hexed steppe]

Post build.
Ae you using glass/vigilance/sawyers?

[glossy scarab]

I don't have pics right now but it's a walker chest w glass, foxes prayers, contractors gloves, red lengmo mask, holster and backpack (perfect unstoppable force)

I tried it w walker knees to get the 2pc walker bonus dta but the foxes are slightly stronger

[spark lichen]

For a st elmos striker build should i use grupo, ceska, or fenros chestpiece

[hexed steppe]

Should try sawyers on it. Another 30%twd

[shy willow]

ceska ideally

[tulip charm]

ceska

[hexed steppe]

Definitely ceska.
Between that, elmo, watch, and 2 secondary you'll hit 52% chc. All other rolls can be chd. (Assuming coyote)

If no coyote add 1 extra chc roll

[glossy scarab]

Yeah I've been meaning to do that but I feel like I'm gonna forget to not move and lose the buff a lot

[hexed steppe]

Yeah it's definitely limiting

[spark lichen]

What about my mods

Im at 53 chc but only 130 chd

[shy willow]

elmo gives a ton of CHC so probs chd

what watch level are you

[tulip charm]

what shd level are you

[spark lichen]

Thats the issue 295

[tulip charm]

yeah dont worry

[shy willow]

oh then it's fine

[spark lichen]

Whats better to upgrade chd or weapon damage

[shy willow]

depends what kind of weapon damage

[spark lichen]

For the watch

Bc i keep putting watch upgrades into weapon dmg

[glossy scarab]

Go with chc first probly

[spark lichen]

Well i also realized that i need to get ceska first for 10 percent more

[glossy scarab]

It's such an important stat. Maxing your watch chc will do more for you than speccing it into chd or wd

[hexed steppe]

Chc > chd > wd.
The wd is additive with your red cores. Chc has most value, especially early on

[hexed steppe]

Once maxed out watch you'll be able to make all mods and primary rolls chd. Right now you'll need some chc mods/rolls to maintain a decent dps. If you are at 53 chc with coyote mask you're gold. As you fill the chc in your watch you'll be able to shift come chc rolls/mods to chd but always keep chc between 50-60%(hard cap is 60)

[spark lichen]

So i got a piece of ceska the rolls are high but not the right ones. Its got chd and headshot damage which are maxed but low weapon damage and trauma as the talent

My chd went up to 142 and my chc is at 54

[glossy scarab]

Sounds alright. 54 is just fine.

[hidden lance]

whats the best set for high dmg

[hexed steppe]

Striker top single target damage

Nego top multi target damage

Both have builds in the pinned spreadsheet

[hidden lance]

alright ty ^^

[runic sphinx]

Any fun PVP builds with palisade?

[lyric prism]

for AOK or something?

[wise swallow]

AOK is useless

iirc AOK only procs after downing a person then killing them completely

[hazy steeple]

Well that does fit with the "on kill" part.

[gentle lichen]

On kill in pvp is dumb

Lady death and eagle talent proc after down

[wise swallow]

EB procs on down

[gentle lichen]

But others are when killed completely

[wise swallow]

all kill talents should proc on down in PVP imo

[hazy steeple]

Armour on Kill is what I was referring to, as that was the previous message.

[wise swallow]

besides determined, cuz fuck determined

[wise swallow]

yea ik im just saying the game is super inconsistent with what is "on kill", like LD and EB proc on down but AOK procs on full kill

its super odd

[hazy steeple]

The game just doesn't like telling you the full story, that's at least consistently inconsistent across the board.

[wise swallow]

it would be okay if it proccd on down but youd have to have so much AOK that your just gonna lose gunfights

[gentle lichen]

Hunter's would actually be beneficial

[wise swallow]

hunters is 20% AOK?

or is it 25

[hazy steeple]

20aok and 50 hok

[wise swallow]

so on a 1.7mill armour build 340k armour on a kill and 150 something health (health doesnt really matter but why not)

thats actually quite good

couple that with insta kit and your at half armour

[gentle lichen]

And if the hunter's buff also procced on down that's 5% more amp every down

Perfect for solos taking on multiple players

AND if disorient procced on down multiple players sticking to each other in dz south stairs would get fucked up

Hunter's has so much potential

[wise swallow]

A lot of things have a lot of potential

But wasted potential in division strength

[lyric prism]

I found iKia' videos. I feel dumb.

[hazy steeple]

Let us know in 300 hours after you watch 1 how it was.

[lyric prism]

I watched the AR dps video.

he goes into some serious details.

[tawdry flare]

Finally found time it takes to 🚆 an AI

[lyric prism]

yea they are long

[lyric prism]

wow that HF video I just finished it. My eyes, they bleed. good info, forever content.

[tough dome]

anyone know where i can obtain hotshot gearset if its still obtainabale ?

[tulip charm]

You can farm it

[sleek cedar]

Only took 1 raid and 5 rolls

[solar sable]

I want to optimise my bp but it will only let me optimise it from 6.5% HSD to 10% instead of max, why's this?

[tulip charm]

It goes by each threshold

[magic aurora]

I want to do incursion what would be a good build ?

[patent elm]

Striker with chest and backpack

[solar sable]

Idk what threshold is, english isn't my first language
but I try to get into it more

[limpid pelican]

to get it to 10% u have to go 1 by 1

not sure how high level you are but optimizing that backpack is going to cost a fortune

[solar sable]

shd 140
damn that's a shame...

[limpid pelican]

i would use that in the meantime, slap vigilance on it and be on the look out for another one

[solar sable]

I'll try, ty

[limpid pelican]

yep. the higher of difficulty you play the more odds of finding items with better stats on them are

[glossy scarab]

finally got around to doing this and EB. used about 18 components. damn. could be worse tho

[magic pilot]

I watch ikia while I sleep at night

Only way I have enough time to finish his videos

[spark lichen]

What do i even use for conflict, i have never played it before

[sullen sun]

We need a green rifle gear set in the game

With reduced recoil on all rifles

[wise swallow]

that is very interestiung

no foxes, improv piece

im assuming its cuz CHC is lacking cuz of no laser

[glossy scarab]

i was rolling for rate of fire or chc but this nice roll came up and i think i'll keep it.

[magic pilot]

No watch in conflict either

Improve is slightly better than Walker unless you are using matador

[wise swallow]

oh yea watch gets subtracted

[glossy scarab]

im gonna be the fastest shotgunner with this slow ass m870

[warm shard]

aye anyone know why i cant find an armor on kill mod? is it rare or just bad luck?

[glossy scarab]

its actually really nice. its a lot faster than a standard m870. 2x 5% rof attributes (one is a weapon attachment) you just have to listen for the pump action to know exactly when is the very soonest you can fire because if you try too soon, by the time you can fire again you're behind the game now

[magic pilot]

Use striker too

[glossy scarab]

94 rpm now. nice

[flint wave]

M870 striker

[wise swallow]

umbra

[glossy scarab]

i'll do it

[spark lichen]

What are the gloves homemade, wheres the brand

[tawdry flare]

ninjabike half striker umbra M870 build

[shy willow]

It's improv

[tawdry flare]

These are improvised

[spark lichen]

Explain

[shy willow]

Crafted

With no brand but an extra attribute

[tawdry flare]

These don't belong to any brands they have to be crafted and every pcs has a mod slot

[spark lichen]

Why dont you just use a brand that gives you that attribute

[tawdry flare]

Well we won't have a modslot

And something like protection from Elites doesn't belong to brand bonus

[spark lichen]

Its all coming together now

[shy willow]

Modslots give some things you can't get from brands

[wise swallow]

in that build theres no other piece

its a conflict build so things can get odd

[tawdry flare]

That's why your name is Odder?

[magic pilot]

The only other decent brand is Walker and on a 3 red 3 blue build with picaros the extra 12% chd will do more than 5% wd

[dense ledge]

Here’s my Haz Pro build that I am still working on rn. Feel free to give me any advice

[stiff jasper]

No ninja

No spotter

No crit

[fickle lotus]

fashion is mid

[stiff jasper]

Your build only have hazard and no other advantages
I don't see you tank enough
Either I don't see your damage enough

Concept of hazard build is, pervert status effect become deadly, and make sure you can finish your work under status , but not make all status immune

You still need damage (as dps), and tanky enough that allow you deals damage, to give pressure to your enemy, if you just immune status but do nothing, then you still useless

Basically, hazard build need 80% hazard, then depends on your play style, your enemy, even your team, to decide which resistance you need 90/100

[chrome remnant]

hey guys for an Unbreakable build is it better to use the first one or the Perfect Unbreakable is the stat change too good for DZ?

[stiff jasper]

If you running with shortgun, use perfect

If not, neither, farm again

[chrome remnant]

thanks!

[acoustic coral]

It's because he's from the Odder side

[patent elm]

What are those guns and why them

[versed summit]

AKM and MP7. they're good weapons, but I can't say for sure why he chose them

[glossy scarab]

mp7 is real nice now

[dense ledge]

What’s your status effect build then?

And mine is just a template for a striker setup with backfire

[tawdry flare]

Banshee is the new he meta

[glossy scarab]

yeah i use both all the time now

[tawdry flare]

Rip MPX

[glossy scarab]

fr

[patent elm]

Striker backfire won't work very well, you don't have enough slots to do everything you wanna do

[glossy scarab]

you can totally make a zero bleed strikers backfire build that does hit very hard when stacked. but it still sucks because it takes forever to stack that thing. you just need a strikers set w hazpro and 2 ceskas with hazpro and chc/chd. and a couple bleed resist mods

so your starting chd is like 64 or something. it'll get to 264 but its gonna be a long day

[patent fossil]

then the stacks all disappear 10s later

[glossy scarab]

yeah stacks just ghost

[patent elm]

Yea your starting dmg is horrible. What you basically do is you double down on the weakness of both strikers and backfire to get stronger at a point where the fight is over anyway

[hexed steppe]

Backfire is a good component tho... that's where it stays for me.

[rich lotus]

Are these blueprints unobtainable?

[patent fossil]

pretty sure I saw someone report getting Lefty blueprint from descent reconstructed caches

[magic pilot]

AK because highest burst with long rail and mp7 because I never use it

[magic pilot]

Yes

[patent elm]

Is flatline so much better still than like strained or optimist despite no watch and not full red cores so missing some crit and weapon dmg anyway?

[shy willow]

Flatline is an amp ain't it

[hexed steppe]

Flatline is a no ramp amp talent. Always on. Different multiplier

[glossy scarab]

linked laser pointer can be pretty unreliable sometimes and they dont get pulsed

[hexed steppe]

I've never had issue with it

Pvp you may run into pulse resist tho

[glossy scarab]

i have but not on a problematic scale. not super frequent but enough to be a pattern

na its not pvp or pulse resist

[patent elm]

It is a different multiplier but id assume that that's less important than usually because you miss quite a bit of wd and crit due to the armor cores and missing watch Boni.

[hexed steppe]

Idk, I ran spotter flatline combo on nego for a long time. Still use flatline on an m1a as backup on my high end regulus build

[patent elm]

So basically having another multiplier is less important when the buckets you have are smaller

[hexed steppe]

You'll still be stacked with crit though

Even if less wd cores

[patent elm]

Yes ofc

[hexed steppe]

Flatline is kinda in the same boat as foxes/contractors when running highend. And those multipliers are a bit less

[onyx sage]

the crucial thing is flatline doesn't need ramping while strained and optimist need their full mags to enjoy the full effect

[hexed steppe]

So it wouldn't really flatline vs strained on pvp build. Its flatline vs optimist since the wd is missing

[glossy scarab]

its kind of upsetting to me that a ceska or something with regular spotter gets you better results than the perfect spotter chest

[patent elm]

Yea so at what point does for example the shield splinterer become better than a flatline gun

[onyx sage]

just math it out. ss gives 20% awd on average

[patent elm]

I'm lazy though

[stiff jasper]

It is

[patent elm]

How much is flatline 20 or 15

[onyx sage]

15%

[patent elm]

Should be close ish

[acoustic coral]

I would need the specific stats on the build, but you'd need to empty over half your mag for SS to get close to flatline

[gentle lichen]

20 for kingbreaker which is most used

[plush widget]

is the pinned spreadsheet damage numbers updated? i see "Disclaimer: Due to some of the changes made as of TU20, Thanks for your patience. RED = Gun Update Pending" I see orange and red...

[onyx sage]

there are orange, yellow, and red numbers. the red ones are the ones for weapons that got buffed or added this update like the mmrs or mosquito. the orange ones are for exotic weapons

[plush widget]

i see... thanks

[onyx sage]

if you scroll down far enough you will see the red ones

[plush widget]

hmm.. f2000 is hugely buffed.. I guess with only 3 mod slot, need to buff it somewhat

[tawdry flare]

The +10 round mag is the biggest buff

JMHO

[dense ledge]

3 piece striker 10% hazard on every piece / 1 piece cavalier 10% hazard on it / Ninjabike bag / 1 piece Cheska (I think that’s how you say it) 10% hazard on it

Should be around 90ish

Just put bleed resist on the backpack and you are good

[patent elm]

your build having ninjaback is a big issue

[dense ledge]

Just put on Lefty and build the striker stacks up and then switch to Backfire

[dense ledge]

How

[flint wave]

how's ur crit feeling

[patent elm]

im not saying you cannot get 100% or whatever bleed resistance on striker

im saying you sacrifice too much trying to accomplish that for a payoff that wont matter in like 99% of situations

[dense ledge]

Lefty is my fav shotgun rn fr

[wise swallow]

no striker BP. not CHC

pretty bad m8

[dense ledge]

To each their own I guess

[patent elm]

idk what thats supposed to mean

ofc you're free to play however you want, that doesnt make the build any better though

[wise swallow]

you dont have enough CHC for any dmg lol. its just useless

you have what like 55

and base crit dmg

[dense ledge]

57 / 115 rn with Backfire

[wise swallow]

how do you have 115CHD

you have no CHD attributes. not CHD mods

ig you could get 12 on the ceska

so base + 12

[dense ledge]

If I don’t want to run Striker what would be the best substitute?

I’m still trying to look

Throw a piece of Yaahl gear in there?

[patent elm]

best idea is to not run backfire and keep striker

[acoustic coral]

There's a backfire build in the sheets that you could take a look at from Aspect

[wise swallow]

its not that strikerr is horrible

backfire is just horrible

[patent elm]

best idea for backfire is probably something like this (still kinda sucks though because backfire sucks)
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/MzC0CZQNlBGDQAYkuW1HEC4CsOPyHDokKlpYgJjyQAsdmT5u8My85zzWAnAjE7cuJLOBiRBw6RREyxdAByhGvfrBzqohKByiQWco1mxHUJmUiA

[wise swallow]

but yea HE is better

[lyric prism]

only sets that could get there are EP or Cavalier without sacrificing all your damage but its so little in the end an HE build just works better.

1p Yaahl/2p Ceska would get you to 50% alone.

[dense ledge]

This is basically just a template rn

I know it’s ASS but it helps with the fire

Because this build it’s just for me and my clan when we group up because we do control point farms and I’m tired of getting cooked by the outcasts

[lyric prism]

backfire is a goodgun, it does put a good hole in things when played right but getting there is most the battle.

[dense ledge]

I use backfire even without HP

I’m just that guy

[lyric prism]

if you can deal with the bleed then yea.

[dense ledge]

Just slap on a fixer drone to you and it’s like nothing ever happened

[lyric prism]

Typical Striker meta + Backfire would be like in the ....450% chd range?

[dense ledge]

Yeah I run that in Countdown

Without CRD I get like 2.8 mil

[lyric prism]

yea

I got this on CD the other day, I think, or when i flipped the DC map again.

thought maybe for an HF setup I haven't run in forever but I just got the near same piece but with Intimidate.

not sure what to do with them but one of those 'I'll keep this'

[acoustic coral]

Mhmh gimme gimme. Is the chc rollable?

[lyric prism]

minez.

100k pieces of loot over time, I think you end up keeping what quarter of 1%?

[acoustic coral]

No gimme!
Need a CHD HSD Obliterate Grupo

[dense ledge]

I have the same chest everything lol

Wish I could’ve put armor on it tho

[lyric prism]

I considered an HSD setup but I spend 99% doing pve so typical all red chc/chd. sorry.

Knowing I'll spam CD later today for stuff and get something else usable.

[acoustic coral]

Oh yeah nah, this is like for a cooked version of the BluescreenDilemma build

[lyric prism]

that would make a nice mess with HSD.

hmmm...

[gentle lichen]

At every turn HSD on smgs isn't really great

[acoustic coral]

I cooked with some math, specifically for Countdown use - but still need two pieces for it.
The grupo and another Contractors so I don't have to reroll the one I use with HSD

[acoustic coral]

Okay, and?

[glossy scarab]

yeah i think ppl instinctively know that somehow

[acoustic coral]

I mean, I can't remember the last time I've used an SMG - I didn't even mention it

[gentle lichen]

If you aren't using an smg then you'll need chc anywhere you can get it?

[lyric prism]

just run a skill build with Capacitor. it calls to you.

[acoustic coral]

No?

[gentle lichen]

Yes lol

[acoustic coral]

Why reply to something that's part of a longer conversation when you cannot bother to read the rest?

[glossy scarab]

its ok. i'm a delinquent not-reader too from time to time

[gentle lichen]

I love being out of context

[dense ledge]

I’ll show you my striker skill hybrid later if you want it

I can do 600k crits with capacitor and have up to 187,000 with my turret

[lyric prism]

I ran something like that once. its fun in an odd way.

[glossy scarab]

yea i been running a 3 (sometimes 4) yellow and 5 red build strikers with capacitor and it hits like 600k w like no striker stacks just oblit

w stacks its over a mil

[lyric prism]

2p brazos?

[glossy scarab]

sometimes. i have 2 versions. 1 use 2 brazos more. thats the one i use more now bc i just got a pretty good chc/chd brazos obliterate chest

[lyric prism]

I had a halfway chest when I tried. it does make for an interesting setup. Capacitor showing 145k was funny.

[glossy scarab]

yea rly

[lyric prism]

I might try it again, get a good chest from CD. I got a holster rolled w/ near max chd.

no, chc.

[glossy scarab]

damn

i came so close to a perfect cap roll

[lyric prism]

so many holsters to get that though

lol ya. mine was 1% low on dttoc.

[glossy scarab]

ugh. they'll fix the opti some day

[lyric prism]

I kept rolling until I got 12% done.

25 rolls.

[glossy scarab]

yeah i had about the same

but that includes doin 2 other weapons

[lyric prism]

ouch.

[glossy scarab]

na i mean, the 25 tries was spread between re rollin 3 guns

[lyric prism]

ah. I was just 25 rolls on Capacitor for max AR and DTA.

w/ dttoc of some kind. I got lucky on the 9% on that.

[glossy scarab]

yeah thats a really enviable roll

[lyric prism]

tell that to my resources after.

[glossy scarab]

oh yea lol

yeah i gotta get on daily and weekly projects to replenish some exotic componies

[lyric prism]

roll the DC map to heroic + whatever directives. I seem to get a decent supply.

[glossy scarab]

yeah thats my usual thing

[lyric prism]

for some reason its more of a chore to take the Hyena/Sons CP's vs. the Outcasts, never figured out why.

[glossy scarab]

i fight hyenas more than anyone else probably

true sons too but theyre all over the place

[lyric prism]

speaking of which have you noticed even on a flipped map you are just somewhere and all the sudden get aggro from an attack group that materializes just to attack you?

something I noticed since TU20 patched in.

[glossy scarab]

oh yeah happens way more now

they pop up right next to me

4 guys at least

[lyric prism]

yea, its all the groups now not just the night creatures.

I will never forget first starting the game, first character, roaming at night, level 17? and having one of the chainsaw guys appear.

[glossy scarab]

yeah. better have your combat roll mastered to get out of that guys way

[hexed steppe]

im failing to see why you would want hsd/chd , yet be low on chc... this is just judging from your cooked bluescreen dilemma comment, where you are looking for grupo/contractors with hsd. im guessing you want the chd to further improve the hsd, but it would have to be a crit to have that added in.... at 25% chc before figuring in any rolls is really low to not want to put some chc on there

low chc means no transfer in nego... so kinda wasted

[covert meadow]

Wasup @hexed steppe how ya feeling, hope str8?

[hexed steppe]

yeah im gold, done work for the day

[covert meadow]

I'm pretty good, trying to mess with this fire setup, I think I'm starting to pick up Lil understanding of the mechanics bit got a question about 1 piece over another?

[hexed steppe]

ok shoot

[covert meadow]

This Pic here, I just changed the 2nd attribute, and at the top it says in a green bar for smg damage, does that mean it will get that first over all other options? My goal I seen it said Status, so I figured I could change it, giving me my status and making the better piece all around?

[hexed steppe]

so vile will scale from the status effects and explosive damage, but not skill damage. ideally youll was a status piece as highend. golan is harder to farm but eletrique came out recently and is also a status effects 1pc.
one ne thing about fire is it will double dip status effects and skill damage, so areas you can have both will be an overall improvement... secondary rolls/capacitor/insync

at the top it says in a green bar for smg damage
im a little lost here on this comment though

[acoustic coral]

I'm not braindead - I cooked, trust the process

[hexed steppe]

im just wondering where your crit will come from 🤦‍♂️

at first i read your cooking with math as Cooking with meth 🤣

[lyric prism]

something something muppet chef?

[acoustic coral]

I told you the day I cooked - countdown, 35CHC from 3x coyote, 15CHC from Nego, 10CHC from watch

[hexed steppe]

thats banking a lot on someone else

and that was too long ago to bring up without reference if thats what you meant when scolding NBT

js

[covert meadow]

Oh I had the Scorpio and The Grudge because I was unsure about the Guns to use, I have a capacitor, so I could run that and the smg?

And this other piece I'll look for as well didn't realize that, I've seen that, I just figured the build caused to have status and haste, and when I got that repair, I knewi had to have that instead of repair,which is why I converted the other but yeah, I guess the smg damage would benefit but having that extra haste, would make it go further? @hexed steppe

[acoustic coral]

Trust the process is all I'm saying - I wasn't looking for build advice when I told M00NiE I wanted his loot lmao.
As for the rest, I'll leave it be - too moody today.

[hexed steppe]

i would do capacitor, then an insync shotgun since that will also have 12% dta. the dta from either will add another damage modifier to your fire damage.
you want to balance the haste with status tbh. i found 60-70% haste to be sufficient on a burn build.
cap will do good damage as well if someone gets close

[hexed steppe]

if moody its best not to take it out on another... plus you know we gonna ask questions when anyone* post something in here. we all picking apart shit all day 😆

[covert meadow]

Ok cool ty bro highly appreciate the knowledge 👍 that makes lot of sense, that's why I was gonna try n build this negotiating build, because it's supposed to help against multiple ads, and that's what happenstance me, I get over ran, and before I know it there right up on me

[hexed steppe]

nego is 😍
aggro wise, it brings all the npc's to the yard

[covert meadow]

Ha

Nice,that's what I'm finna start to work on now, the focus setup in the Pic

On the site

[acoustic coral]

Haven't taken it out on anyone - that's why I said I'll leave it be.
With regards to NBT, he commented without reading the 3-4 other messages I had sent. In any case, laters

[hexed steppe]

focus is really strong, make sure to farm up a spare obliterate chest as well. focus has a specific style that doesnt work for everyone

[covert meadow]

I chose the super marine shotty for the fire, since it had insync rolled and I think I can modify the dttoc, it already had dta on it

Ok 👍

Ty brotha, ill let ua know how all this goes 🙂

[hexed steppe]

Actually, I think I'm gonna farm up some nego gear for my 3rd and 4th agents and start taking advantage of all the project exo components

[rich lotus]

localdeck have you played focus on legendary recently??

[onyx sage]

i have

works just fine

[rich lotus]

its nearly impossible to move and keep your stacks up, you used to be able to stutter walk (tapping the zoom button), so thats a bummer. and number two, im like 75% sure that the "fix" to the corner glitch was extended the players hitbox with the crusader shield specifically, so even if you using a scope zoomed in and not actually "past" the corner you take Armor/HP damage, but im glad its working for you 😛

[onyx sage]

i don't mean the shield peeking, i mean focus still works just fine

[rich lotus]

yeah the damage never changed, it still slaps

[onyx sage]

but it really does make focus take a hit in viability

[rich lotus]

Nego focus is still great in groups

[dense ledge]

Well it’s funny you say that now because my dumbass self marked if for deconstruct instead of favorite so now it’s gone

[patent elm]

probably tjhe most useful its ever gonna be ngl

[hidden lance]

i dont get it my build is not maxed yet but i got 50%+ chance and 110 crit dmg and other have like 170 crit dmg how with a max build my is not full and i lack so much crit dmg

what am i doing wrong

[hexed steppe]

no, i dont use it generally. i have the chest and should try it tho, i use m1a /c7 pretty regularly

plus nego has my 😍

[hexed steppe]

hit i and post a screenshot of the build.

[acoustic coral]

Without a build picture, you got the wrong stats on some stuff

[hexed steppe]

it could be simple like not using chc mods on the gun first

if watch isnt maxed on chc/ chd. you may also be compensating with mods/rolls for missing 10%chc and missing 20% chd

[hidden lance]

oh

[hexed steppe]

its easy to not hit target stats suggested in the builds. should be fairly easy to work out. if using coyote 50% chc is right about where you want to be. if not using ceska/grupo highend pieces there is another spot that could be missing

feeling any better @acoustic coral , if not im sending ☕

[acoustic coral]

I'm definitely not gonna feel better on coffee
I'm aight, need a good night's sleep - struggling with some side-effects that among other things gets me moody haha

[lyric prism]

if you are not up in SHD levels yet consider the switch from Strikers to Negotiators Dilemma

might help if you can't make the chc minimum to make the gear work better that you have.

ND has chc/chd built in.

[strange wigeon]

best attribute for rock and roll ? mag size only gives 3? 2? more bullets. so its prob either rate of fire or accuracy, but idk what is statistically better

[acoustic coral]

Since you haven't given us a build picture, I will assume you're running striker's
Elmo - Coyote - Ceska - 4p Striker, if everything is max rolled and the 'only' difference is 110 CHD vs 170 CHD - when fully stacked 100 striker, 25 obliterate.
110 CHD: 710K hits
170 CHD: 913K hits

[hexed steppe]

target out of cover damage

[glossy scarab]

mag size doesnt make a big difference unless you already have 200 rounds base

[hexed steppe]

but consider lefty to give a double utility to your stack gun

[strange wigeon]

not for DPS, just stacks, why would anyone use a rock and roll for DPS ?

[hexed steppe]

still the best attribute

[acoustic coral]

It's techincally more DPS than Elmo and Ouro afaik, but lacks ammo

[strange wigeon]

I use it for raids where the healer procs sledge

[hexed steppe]

fair

not much else is a benefit on attributes.

[strange wigeon]

its basically either shoot faster or hit more

[hexed steppe]

luckily youll have flexibility to try firerate and hot swap to whatever else you want to try

[strange wigeon]

yea, Imma try both and see what works best

[acoustic coral]

@hexed steppe This is btw the build I'm cooking up. I won't use it anywhere else but countdown (really the only place I use BluescreenDilemma anyways) - and in my experience, there's so often 3+ coyote masks in there, and very often all 3 buffs are active.
That's my personal experience - it may vary, and I can keep theorycrafting around - but the potential on this is kinda nice

(I'm also assuming no headshots in this calculation, so the potential dps is even higher if that's calculated in)

If my experience of 3x Coyote buff changes, I can always swap back from Grupo to Ceska chest and keep CHC enough like that

[hexed steppe]

nice

[acoustic coral]

But this won't really matter till I get my grupo anyways. I've just been wanting to solo grind for a bit, summit isn't my jam and Grupo was in DZ yesterday and in Space admin today - so waiting for it to be in a better location

Fuck space admin for speeds, the sattelites are the most boring thing

[dull ermine]

Is the MP5 worth using?

[hexed steppe]

especially if reanimated is active 🤣

[acoustic coral]

That's only the invaded one, no? Or can you kill the satellites on non-invaded aswell? 🤣

[onyx sage]

i just found it so funny when you have to let go of the satellite fixing, get a headshot, then immediately get back to it. the agent's animations during those are funny af

[hexed steppe]

that messed me up a few times before i realized npcs werent making it to the dish. yeah invaded

[acoustic coral]

I've never turned off reanimated that quickly as when it reset me back to the beginning of the mission, because MSV forgot to disable friendly damage with reanimated clouds

[hexed steppe]

yeah, im actually hoping it gets a small adjustment. it was a bit rediculous on the clouds and the damage buff. 30mil --> 130mil was excessive to say the least

[magic pilot]

Flatline still the best talent to use

[lyric prism]

so I made a ....thing.

hazpro/pulse immune 100%, completely unadjusted for the subgun sits at crit cap and 105% chd.

3 skill tiers 1.6mil armor

a grupo chest would be a better idea if just running the backfire but wasn't nearby.

[acoustic coral]

I can't decide if you cooked harder than I did - but I respect it

[lyric prism]

lol ya. I did swap to Elmo's and at 55% chc/101% chd. same otherwise.

it would hit like a wet noodle for a bit.

[acoustic coral]

that's what they call.... no

[lyric prism]

backfire takes like 1000 years to get to its chd cap.

[lyric prism]

the only real DZ build that gets anything near this and be usable would be an hsd build.

[magic pilot]

I would swap picaros for sokolov or walker

[lyric prism]

I'm thinking walker.

[rich lotus]

93r with infinite scroll is hilarious. its straight up full auto, no breaks between bursts, but i tried everything and its just too dogshit damage to work on any build ")

[lyric prism]

I was also thinking swap holster to yaahl, emp kneepads and golan chest.

same immunity but 2.5% regen.

it would be an HSD setup at that point.

well, the chest elsewhere for a brand talent but you get the idea.

[terse copper]

on a skill damage build, what talent should i have on the my chest amror?

[rich lotus]

glass cannon or kinetic momentum usually if its turret/drone

[terse copper]

ok ty

[terse copper]

what specilazation should it have? want to make sure i pick the correct one

[lyric prism]

most will go Technician for the yellow core in the spec to free up a core on gear for a red or blue plus the damage to electronics meaning dog, drones, etc.

it is the positive choice for a skill build.

[terse copper]

ok ty!

[lyric prism]

if you are going to being taking on higher mission content don't be afraid to put some PFE mods in the mods slots unless you are very dependent on skill haste.

[terse copper]

ty again for your help!

[stoic dock]

Does someone have a real high scorpio dmg build to shred elites in challenging or even in heroic?

[hazy steeple]

Just a heads up, almost any build will do well in Challenging once you get enough practice and time in.
Scorpio isn't exactly the highest damage shotgun there is, usually the less rounds one has the higher the damage is, overall.
That being said, a Hunters Fury HSD setup would probably work pretty well for that, works great in Heroic too. There's a build in the 📌 pinned spreadsheet of this channel, under "Hunters Fury".

[acoustic coral]

@tawdry flare Aren't you always bragging about 2M hits pr. Pellet with your Scorpio?

[shy willow]

Normal six12 is really good damage idk about Scorpio specifically stacked up against it

I just use it for support mainly cuz exotic

[covert meadow]

On this negotiater, for the 2nd gun I can go king breaker, maxed with flatline, or Carbine 7?

First is Or Oreo

[shy willow]

C7 works

You want something you can play from mid range with so Oreo might not be the best option for negosh

[covert meadow]

Oh yeah? Nice Rifle?

[acoustic coral]

here it was lmao

[shy willow]

It was a top top option before resolve yes

But if you have a good F2K I'd suggest that instead

[covert meadow]

F2k and carbine?

[shy willow]

C7 still works great if it's what you have to work with though

[shy willow]

Secondary can be an m1a w/boomerang

[covert meadow]

I have them both, but they gone need major work

Ok I have that but its on cqb

[rich lotus]

Literally though, thing hits now

[covert meadow]

Then another thing is I'll prolly losr my chc cap at 60

[lyric prism]

Yea, I dug around in the stash and made it. I'm bored.

[covert meadow]

Right now its 182 chd 60 chc

[rich lotus]

Doesn't need to be perfectly at 60 chc tbh

For me it being around 50-59 is well good enough

[covert meadow]

Oh ? Ok 👍 ty

[rich lotus]

Mainly because I do many activities where others run coyotes and such so it ends up being a waste for me

[covert meadow]

That's what I'm running now coyotes and oreo, with 1 chance on ceska

[acoustic coral]

Generally you want 60%CHC, because that multiplies better into the CHD - but if you - or anyone you could be grouping up with for that matter - is running coyote, you wanna be at around 50%. Usually on max rolled gear it will be 52%

[covert meadow]

@acoustic coral this is just for solo pve

[acoustic coral]

That's negotiator, right? 60% is even more important for that set

[covert meadow]

Yup bro

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[covert meadow]

Yeah ima try it out, I'm not liking the 47% chc

I'll add the rifle, but ima keep my oreo on here

[flint wave]

ouro with negotiator

heresy

[covert meadow]

Put there face in the paint 🎨

[bleak siren]

got this on bluescreen reconfigure, is RoF viable over DTA since the other two are perfect

[hazy steeple]

Rate of Fire is a pretty good 3rd stat for an LMG, I usually go for that or CHC (crit chance), depending on what I need.
I'd keep that one tbh.

[bleak siren]

I am going for a bluescreen status effect build if it matters, not sure if its DTA attributee would matter for the statuses it appilies or if its just the bullets it shoot

but i like the sound of keeping it as is

[hazy steeple]

I like using stats on a gun to help build up something it is missing.
For me, an LMG fires too slow for the damage it deals, so that extra fire-rate is nice.

[bleak siren]

i mentioned bluescreen status build and the kind of bluedillema comes out

[acoustic coral]

You going for BluescreenDilemma or something else? I run DTA on my BluescreenDilemma as you don't need the CHC and the ROF is negligible

[bleak siren]

in the mix up between dilemma or ongoing

[acoustic coral]

DPS is higher with DTA

It's by a small margin - but still there.

[hazy steeple]

Lol, save your Exotic Components, it's fine.

you have 2 flawless rolls on it and the 3rd one is almost there.

[acoustic coral]

If you're going for BluescreenDilemma (cannot speak for OD), DTA > ROF (still viable) - even for single-target

[bleak siren]

Ima keep it as is for the time being and come back to it after I collect the gear pieces but I do apperciate the help

[hazy steeple]

Honestly the way I'd do it is keep that copy and then just keep an eye out for a better one later on.

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, for sure - if you're early on, it's defo nice. When you're starting to max out the set and want to maximize potential, you'll want DTA

[hazy steeple]

It's always a good idea to keep an eye on yourself from falling into the "only meta" trap.

[acoustic coral]

Nothing meta about calculating the difference between DTA and ROF on a weapon for a specific build lol

[tawdry flare]

Wut about NPCs that don't have A

[acoustic coral]

Speaking of that however - I did remember asking myself some weeks back and after having gotten the math down, I can now say for sure that I made the right call of keeping DTA back then.

[acoustic coral]

You know the answer just aswell as I do - they die too quickly for it to matter in this conversation

[tawdry flare]

Say that to chungas and warehound or mini tank that erases the entire team one man army

[hazy steeple]

Those enemies are exactly why I never leave my Survivalist Tree at home.

[tawdry flare]

DTA is meh on LMG go crit or rof and have consistent dng if you want dta put on contractor and gain 2 buffs 1 will always be active

[hazy steeple]

I actually made a full "dta" sniper setup recently and you really see how much is lost without those other damage sources.

[tawdry flare]

If you invest too much in attribute it is going to suck

[acoustic coral]

That's just a bad blanket statement, requiring you to run contractor's in whatever build you're going for.
For BluescreenDilemma (which Frightfur mentioned) - here's the comparison.
DTA > CHC > ROF (assuming max rolls + SHD)

[tawdry flare]

Ahh dta with nego is busted I forgot

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, but even ST DTA pulls ahead

[hazy steeple]

It's a strange time we live in, when LMG's aren't considered to be universally trash.

[tawdry flare]

But no it is not a bad blanket statement

[tawdry flare]

Cause you are calculating everything is dta which is impractical

[acoustic coral]

wdym?

[tawdry flare]

I mean you are assuming you are hitting armour nothing has 100% armour

Afaik some good div tuber did how much armour NPCs have and it is around 60-70% iirc I may be wrong

I think it was dod

[acoustic coral]

Only for ST - 2T and 3T averages that half the targets has armor. And if it is 60-70% then well
I also just changed the value - even if ST is only 3% DTA (averaging 50% enemies with armor) - it still pulls ahead.

[covert meadow]

@acoustic coral I ended up putting elmo in oreo spot and went with cqb , 192 chd n 60 on chc

In 2nd slot

[ancient dune]

On heroic elites are 71% armour yeah

[tawdry flare]

We can combine red and we can average out 60% for a good assumption ?

For a mission solo btw

[ancient dune]

Sorry I don't understand the question

[tawdry flare]

I meant if we take a heroic mission and average out the effective hp can we make it 60% armour 40% health ? It will depend on faction ofc

[ancient dune]

Uhhh I guess it depends on how many vets and reds there are

Vets are about 55% armour

[acoustic coral]

The reason CHC is bad on the Bluescreen for this build is, because you're gonna have mid-range coyote buff up all the time, so you'll sit at 57% CHC with your gear maxed. There's no CHC mods on gear to pull out. Coyote + Ceska has CHC + CHD
If you roll CHC on the Bluescreen for that last 3%, you're throwing away 6.5% CHC.
ROF falls behind aswell - even if I math it to assume 60% of all damage done is to armor.

[ancient dune]

Iirc bluescreen has no crit chance mods right?

[tawdry flare]

You can juggle the pcs

Or mods around that is not a way to build

You need to make the build fit accordingly to every roll

[acoustic coral]

nop

[acoustic coral]

What?

[tawdry flare]

Did you fit the build to the specific rolls you put on weapon or you used the same build?

[acoustic coral]

MJX: Made the BluescreenDilemma guide
Frightfur: Asks for advice regarding it
Me: Has mathed it out, because I wanted to understand it
You: ??

[tawdry flare]

I want to peer review the maths

[shy willow]

Doesn't DTA double dip on negotiators anyway

Hit anything with armour and everything else takes DTA

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, and all that is mathed out.

[shy willow]

It's a nice stat to have on nego

[tawdry flare]

But I think if you hit armour it again counts dta another time iirc @ancient dune can give us more insight I forgot tbh

[magic pilot]

What if you run grupo chest?

[acoustic coral]

Negotiators double dip. If you have 2 targets marked and both have armor, the damage from the first target gets DTA applied on the second aswell

[ancient dune]

grupo chest is worse just did a quick check

[magic pilot]

Contractors and ceska chest?

[tawdry flare]

I meant assuming you hit a target with armour for 500k having armour the shared crit will be again multiplied by your dta% ? Assuming shared Target has armour

[ancient dune]

rpm is also slightly worse than you think cause it goes up to 690 RPM not 693

[acoustic coral]

yes

[acoustic coral]

660 x 1,045 (4,5%) = 690
660 x 1,05 (5%) = 693

[ancient dune]

I ran some numbers and it's about ~1.5% burst difference in favour of dta and so in the case of ND it ultimately probably doesn't matter too much

you've forgotten to account that the gun already has 10% RPM on a mod

[acoustic coral]

Ahh, that multiplies different - ofcourse.

[tawdry flare]

The base is 600

[acoustic coral]

The RPM is just slated as 660 in the sheet, so took it from there and applied 5% ROF

[acoustic coral]

And this is what my math shows aswell - anyways Fast Hands, satisfied?

[ancient dune]

ye I ran a few quick numbers myself to make sure i wasn't talking out my ass haha

[shy willow]

Quik maffs

[tawdry flare]

I will still never dta on LMG

[acoustic coral]

Doesn't matter, my advice wasn't to you.

[ancient dune]

I think unless you're careful to always be hitting armour rpm will have an edge

but realistically the difference is so small it probably won't ever save you a bullet

[tawdry flare]

Btw did blue screen received a buff this patch?

[acoustic coral]

Now, see I personally only use BluescreenDilemma in Heroic Countdown - and there's only elites in there

[acoustic coral]

10% WD (checked on patch notes)

[tawdry flare]

That is low compared to other LMGs 💀 most of them got 20%

I am still pissed they didn't buff MPX/M4

[shy willow]

Meanwhile pesti

[ancient dune]

MPX and M4 were pretty meta for a long time I'm not that shocked they didn't buff them

[acoustic coral]

Glancing at the sheet, Stoner LAMG, Quiet Roar and Pestilence got shafted in the buffs

[tawdry flare]

Yeah but they are now dead

[ancient dune]

they all got an equal blanket buff because LMGs were always a bit underused

[shy willow]

Quiet roar got shafted on its inception

[ancient dune]

the entire SMG class is dead since the conception of Ouro

[shy willow]

Damage buff by suppressing yikes

[ancient dune]

and honestly in the AR class being 'dead' is like 5% dps behind

I'd still use the C7 and the M4 despite them being technically the bottom dps ARs

[tawdry flare]

The problem is the 60 round mag of f2000

For me personally

[ancient dune]

yea they did overtune the F2k a bit

it's not so big a deal though all the ARs are still usable imo

usable without tanking a significant dps loss*

nothing like taking a bad rifle and trying to make it usable

[shy willow]

Muh EB🥹

[ancient dune]

😢 my 1886

[tawdry flare]

My LWM4

[shy willow]

Massacred

[ancient dune]

actually so gutted they didn't buff any of the rifles I liked

[shy willow]

If only you could tube load it or something funky

[ancient dune]

I didn't even like them because they were good they just look cool

[acoustic coral]

tbh, ARs are in a pretty decent state overall - only thing that can kinda set you behind are weapon mods.
LMGs also seem kinda equal (within its own class) outside of Pestilence - unsure if Stoner and Quiet is "up to par" or not
SMGs are all somewhat balanced around, but ouro is just way too good in comparison
Shotguns play differently to properly compare, but they seem balanced within their own use-cases afaik.
Unsure about the state of Rifles, because they're just a worse MMR
And then you actually get to the MMRs and I just fail to understand when something like the SOCOM MK20 SSR or G28 is actually useful

[tawdry flare]

You forgot to add mag loss

[ancient dune]

the absolute state that semi-auto MMRs are in smh 😭

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, Elmo just takes the M4, increases mag size and gives you insane CHC + CHD mods compared to everything else, but they're still all quite viable on their own - I guess because you could get an AMP via the weapon talent

[magic pilot]

Mk20 with reanimated will chainkill legendary enemies solo with hotshot

Super busted

[ancient dune]

so 15 days out of the year

epic

[magic pilot]

15 days out of the year I have fun

[tawdry flare]

Mk20 so 20 days

[ancient dune]

just use a tac .308 it fires almost as fast

[magic pilot]

Nope not as fun

[acoustic coral]

That's like that one guy saying to properly enjoy Unwavering, you need Golden Bullet

[tawdry flare]

Unwavering can be enjoyed with lmgs

[magic pilot]

Mk20 is over double the firerate too btw

[ancient dune]

but realistically are you spamming it that fast

the enemies are too dead for you to be spamming it at 180 rpm lmao

[magic pilot]

Fuck yes

[tawdry flare]

With determined yes

[magic pilot]

I'm not hitting shit🤣

[acoustic coral]

Introducing: Razer Synapse Macro KEK

[magic pilot]

Mouse and mouse on console tho

[acoustic coral]

That's a surefire way to have your crosshair fly off the screen

[ancient dune]

i feel like tac 308 is the limit of how fast i can get one kill per shot with reaiming time in between kills

[magic pilot]

Aim?

[acoustic coral]

Dude, mouse and mouse is kinda 5Head - maybe even 6Head

[magic pilot]

It's a running joke we have in my clan that whenever someone gets called a cheater we tell them we are on mouse and mouse

[tawdry flare]

Just be RoterBlitz. Ezy

[acoustic coral]

I prefer using Car pedals to walk forwards and backwards, then the rest on my Razer Naga mouse

[magic pilot]

Valid

[acoustic coral]

There's bound to be one guy who only has one arm who plays div like that

And I respect it - accessibility setups can get wild man

[ancient dune]

wasn't there a group of deaf gamers that did raids over zoom with sign

[tawdry flare]

Wut

[ancient dune]

I don't remember where I heard about this but it was pretty cool

[tawdry flare]

Yeah it is cool

But it will take quite but of practice and setup

[acoustic coral]

Laughing a bit at the visual though. Can you imagine the Fieser fight, having to communicate the screens?

[tawdry flare]

The valves are the worst

[acoustic coral]

I would have the pictures on my phone ready to show the zoom call, ngl

[tawdry flare]

Mean they can type in chat

[ancient dune]

you can prep valves in advance

just work valves out as you run into the room and then have a sign for sending water I guess

[tawdry flare]

So it's not that difficult we make it out to be

Yeah

[acoustic coral]

The 5Head thing for that fight would be the guy in the control room just streaming their POV - no need to explain the screens

Nah, I never thought about difficulty - just imagining how fun it would be to watch someone frantically doing sign langauge mid fight

The same way it can be funny to be around someone with tourette's
I'm not making fun of their handicap, sheesh if they did IH that's impressive - but that doesn't make the thought of using sign language any less fun

You more often than not use both hands for it, so your agent would stand still.
"Damn, did he disconnect again since he's standing still?"
"Nah bro, that's just Fred - he's signing rn, look at Zoom"

[tawdry flare]

I mean they can't hear each other's on zoom so everyone is kinda mute

[acoustic coral]

I know, that specific scenario was just to exaggerate ^^

[rich lotus]

Full mute run lol

Everyone would just look at his screen every now and then

Oh yeah the water pressure its ez, just calculate all sectors before hand and then type in ALL A + 1/2 B then everyone knows

[cedar tapir]

On a 4/2 core AR crit build, which piece do I replace with Fenris to optimize?

[rich lotus]

Though tbh lol all of these goes well

[cedar tapir]

Yeah, just curious for min/max purposes

[rich lotus]

Probably contractors depending on what enemies shows up?

[cedar tapir]

its mostly for DZ

[rich lotus]

Oh then nvm

[rich lotus]

More pvp or more pve?

[cedar tapir]

pvp

[rich lotus]

Personally id take out coyotes then

But like I said I'm not sure if it can even be more fficient lol

Which ar you using, shield splint?

[cedar tapir]

FAL lol

[brisk barn]

In theory you’d replace foxes knees because they give rifle damage but foxes gives dttooc so it might as well always be BiS
If you’re looking for a fenris piece might as well replace coyotes with a full squad

[cedar tapir]

high dmg fal build

[rich lotus]

Oh thats unexpected

[brisk barn]

Most people run coyotes and the buff is shared between teammates

[rich lotus]

This

Only real benefit of coyotes specially in dz

[brisk barn]

Tbh I was expecting kingbreaker with the spotter chest

[rich lotus]

I saw that too lol

But KB is doggo imo

[cedar tapir]

ikr, having a blast slamming rogues from mid range

[rich lotus]

And the chances of pulse resis makes it even worse

[cedar tapir]

I dont like KB

[tame flax]

No good for pvp

[brisk barn]

I hate TKB too just something about it is bad

[rich lotus]

Yup

[cedar tapir]

This build is for mid range so KB is shit

[brisk barn]

If you’re doing pvp I’d recommend unbreakable

[rich lotus]

The only exception for that gun for me is PVE King heartbreaker

[brisk barn]

With technician pulse

[rich lotus]

And even then

[tame flax]

Melted too quickly

[cedar tapir]

I have a few unbreakable builds but this one is damage focused

So is Grupo better than Fenris? 15% chd vs 10% weapon dmg?

[rich lotus]

How much CHD you got already?

[cedar tapir]

It normally is right

165%

[brisk barn]

Also if pvp I strongly disagree with running vigilance on BP

[gentle lichen]

KINGBREAKER HATE?!?!!

[rich lotus]

Fuck that gun 🥂 😎

[rich lotus]

Didnt even notice

[cedar tapir]

No offence but I only asked about what pieces I should pick to optimize, not what talents and what guns

[hazy steeple]

Obligatory: it's not actually 10% from specific weapon brands (e.g. Fenris), it's scaled based off the damage before Red Cores are added.
So the more blue cores you have, the closer it is to 10%, without ever actually reaching it.

[rich lotus]

But he mentioned long range beams

[tame flax]

KB good for closer range

[gentle lichen]

Clipping people constantly with it

Be it close mid long

[rich lotus]

Just dont let an ouro sneak up behind you

[gentle lichen]

Clipped as well

[cedar tapir]

Not sure I get what you mean

[gentle lichen]

Also what??

[rich lotus]

Idk man ouro is still a menace in dz

[brisk barn]

There’s no shot that is useful in pvp

[hazy steeple]

Fenris/Sokolov/Airaldi, etc is calculated based on a guns starting damage, red cores modify that damage.

[gentle lichen]

You have no idea

[rich lotus]

It works for his playstyle

Long range beams before they react

[cedar tapir]

Ah so Grupo > Fenris on a crit build then?

[gentle lichen]

It works for all spotter 2/4 3/3 builds lmao

[gentle lichen]

That's how you're supposed to play it

Why use vigi if you want to face trade?

[tame flax]

Face blow

[cedar tapir]

I just wrecked an ouro manhunt squad with this build

Just stay away, they have no chance at range

[rich lotus]

Thats just how I usually play dz

[gentle lichen]

Also you really really underestimate nemesis with vigi

[rich lotus]

My playstyle is to give them kisses while I lay people down

[gentle lichen]

3.2m to head on crit

[cedar tapir]

yes, nemisis secondary

[rich lotus]

Nemesis is bustd

[gentle lichen]

I do cqb a lot too

Striker perfectly efficient and matador is my go to

[hazy steeple]

You do kind of want a Railgun to be "busted" though.

[rich lotus]

Have you tried the cancer regen meta yet?

[rich lotus]

I accidentally scrapped my matador... now I can't get another one for the life of me

[cedar tapir]

You mean the Bighorn hazpro/regen chicken dance meta?

[gentle lichen]

This makes their regen irrelevant

2 pops boom dead

[rich lotus]

I seen one with crit too with ouro but idk how much better or worse it is comp to bighorn

[rich lotus]

💀

Getting my regu tomorrow

Then its time to terrorize

[gentle lichen]

1.319m on a headshot

Dtoc 25 regulus

[rich lotus]

Dirty numbers

[cedar tapir]

nice build

[rich lotus]

Funny how I can make that exact build too but just need the damn reg

😔

[cedar tapir]

lol

[gentle lichen]

Was running ouro all regen

Didn't even regen

[rich lotus]

How is your surviv

Kill them before they do anything?

[gentle lichen]

Depends on your position and your bulwark

[rich lotus]

I see

[gentle lichen]

You can trade with bulwark a fair amount

[rich lotus]

What about v2-3 situations

[rich lotus]

I always find myself fighting against big groups

[gentle lichen]

Down then make sure other person is close to them

To make them explode and do 1.1 m

[gentle lichen]

This is the biggest explosion i did on it lmao

[rich lotus]

Damn nuketown

[gentle lichen]

If you have someone just let them kill the people you downed lmao

[rich lotus]

Fun build

[gentle lichen]

And seriously good

[rich lotus]

1pc hasb gives HS damage right

[gentle lichen]

Yeah

[rich lotus]

I see

I might ctrl c ctrl v that build tomorrow 💀

[gentle lichen]

Pc boys also use armor regen regulus

[rich lotus]

Wonder how effective that is

[gentle lichen]

Very actually

[rich lotus]

Havent seen much reg in dz so far

[gentle lichen]

Used to use it but got bored because it's strafe simulator

[rich lotus]

Its usually groups of HB or Hybrids

[rich lotus]

Not me learning a dumb strafe mechanic reaching shd lvl 200 in game

Never seen people on pc use it

Walk forward, Tap left then quick tap right

Instead of the slow side swapping animation you almost snap to left/right

Will def have fun with that build abusing this lol

[cedar tapir]

abusing what

[rich lotus]

Mixing strafing mechanics

With the reg build he sent

Double tapper nuketown

[cedar tapir]

wdym with that

[rich lotus]

You know strafing?

[cedar tapir]

yes

[rich lotus]

That

[pine monolith]

Best way to farm for exotics you're missing is countdown on challenging with targeted loot correct?

[cedar tapir]

If it can drop in CD, yes

[pine monolith]

Ninjabag drop in CD?

[cedar tapir]

yes

[pine monolith]

[rich lotus]

Don't forget Countdown exotic caches too

[pine monolith]

Either rngesus hates me or Ubisoft really wants me to make an acostas build.

6 drops in countdown and 3 from 7 caches lol good lord man...

[rich lotus]

Nah I get spammed with acostas too dw

[rich lotus]

And opening named caches gives me the same 3-4 weapons lol meanwhile i'm trying to get better dz ones

[cedar tapir]

Same

I stopped opening named caches lol

[rich lotus]

It pisses me off honestly

Feels like it isnt even RNG and more that they just increased chances for some more than others

[rich lotus]

I need emperor's and matador for a second character but can't get one for the life of me

Just gonna give up and wait for dz loot pool

[cedar tapir]

emperors never drops for me

got only 1

[pine monolith]

Finally got Ninja, 3 drops in 1 run lol why is this game like this...

[rich lotus]

It does sell on dz shops right?

I might just have to keep a constant eye for that sh

[maiden epoch]

In a full blue pvp striker build. is there a way to calculate if Fenris beats Ceska ? 10% CHC vs 10% Weapon DMG.

[hexed steppe]

You would plug in all the data into a formula for both setups.
I'm pretty sure the chc will be more valuable than wd since it determines how many crits.

[patent fossil]

Could farm descent for the blueprints

[hollow siren]

What was you running I need one also

[pine monolith]

Doesn't matter what you run, just need to make targeted loot backpacks in the countdown menu and cross your fingers.

If you meant difficulty though just do challenging. 9 times outta 10 your group is gonna carry you.

[hollow siren]

I meant mission lol. Yea. I was running summit. I haven’t played much CD and not to familiar with the mechanics of it

[patent fossil]

Matchmake on challenging, don't bring a skill build (hunters will hack your skills), follow the group and grab all the loot

[pine monolith]

Oh my b lol I'm sure summit could work, countdown is just less mind numbing and you get to suffer with 7 people rather than alone.

[hollow siren]

Ima keep grinding. Sadly is i had 2 but they got deleted somehow

[pine monolith]

If you've acquired an exotic before you can buy the blueprint from Inaya in the White House. She's sitting next to the crafting station just by the entrance.

[hollow siren]

I swear I had it but I’m not seeing the blueprint. 😂

[pine monolith]

Oof, back to the grind then. 🫠

[hexed steppe]

Blueprint wouldn't get it back for you anyways. It's just to reroll an existing piece

[pine monolith]

You can't craft it from scratch?

[hexed steppe]

No

Only time you can do that is with project exo. Like chatterbox, regulus, ridgeways

[pine monolith]

Oh thought that's what it was for, didn't know it was just a re roll. Never used that feature yet due to low mats lol

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, its handy for weapons now. 3rd attribute is now able to change through those blueprints

[hollow siren]

Yup’

[pine monolith]

Happen to know the god roll for lady death?

[hexed steppe]

Most weapons will perform best with damage to targets out of cover. If it has dttooc as a second roll itll be rate of fire or chc

[pine monolith]

Currently got one with 11% smg damage, 21% chc, and 3.9 rof.

[rich lotus]

How hard is it to get bp there

[patent fossil]

Depends on player/group skill and how much time you can put in. For a short nemesis run (about 30m solo) you have 50% chance of a cache. Longer runs will give more for time spent but only if you can get past loop 30 or so I think.

[rich lotus]

How long does it usually take for the 50% Solo

[patent fossil]

Plus the bp pool is relatively large so could take quite a few to get the specific items you're after

[rich lotus]

I'm like 350-400+ whatever it was

Can I also get the blueprint from dz landmarks?

[patent fossil]

Like I said, about 30m.
You can't get those blueprints from anywhere else, you can obviously farm the item itself in the dz.

[rich lotus]

Feels like I stopped gaining any bp from CP

30m for 1 bp

Yeah idk

Still about 100+ bps missing lol

And with my insane luck I wont be surprised if they give me emperor on the last bp missing

[shy willow]

DZ exclusive blueprints can be quite valuable along with blueprints for things like foxes and contractors

[rich lotus]

So if I stop getting blueprints from world CP I should just either not go for it or only waste 30m each for descent

Peak division

[glossy scarab]

im not bothering with the descent ones

unless they make descent less boring

[rich lotus]

Yeah idk, I like descent but 30m for 1 bp if not longer than that not worth my effort lol

Id rather just farm for the thing itself since crafting stuff usually gives terrible rolls

[glossy scarab]

yeaah like i already have an armor core emperors with an armor regen roll. only thing i need is an all red hunter killer and cassie is bound to sell that some day

[rich lotus]

I hate rng I see some friends farming for it and they get like 5 doing countdown or dz stuff

[rich lotus]

Yeah no emperors is a p simple gear no need to farm much since all you gotta change is 1 core/attribute

[glossy scarab]

yea took forever to get one with armor regen on it tho lol

[rich lotus]

Oh you meant the flat regen?

Is it even worth it

[glossy scarab]

on an armor regen build

i need a crit one tho

[rich lotus]

For pvp?

[glossy scarab]

yea

[rich lotus]

Dont peps use full blue core emperor

[glossy scarab]

dz anyyway

[rich lotus]

Shouldnt have been that hard just had to reroll the attribute

[glossy scarab]

thats the piece we're talking about

[glossy scarab]

na it drops yellow core

[rich lotus]

Oh shoo didnt know that

[shy willow]

Yeah it's a murakami piece

[maiden epoch]

Rerol the regolus or not?

[shy willow]

What do you have as 3rd attribute

[maiden epoch]

CC

[hexed steppe]

Reroll dttooc

[rich lotus]

CC on regulus is a violation of geneva

Can't wait to get it tomorrow lol

[hexed steppe]

About emperors guard... why not just use a belstone piece and save the trouble. Murakami bonus is trash anyways.

[rich lotus]

Because 1 belst already in use

[hexed steppe]

Oh fair

[rich lotus]

Emp is the only other piece with 1% reg yeah

And is used in a lot of tank/regen and etc builds

That I'll need to eventually make for raids and such

[dull ermine]

If you’re using hunter killer u can also use a 2nd piece of Golan

I got that as red yesterday, should have kept it ….

[pine monolith]

If you're farming for a specific gear piece is it best to go with the manufacturer for targeted loot or the gear piece itself? I'd imagine the loot pool for just the gear piece would be a tad bigger.

[hexed steppe]

Brand for named brand specific.

Type for farming exotic

[acoustic coral]

All Weapons Damage (red cores) and Specifici Weapons Damage (such as Fenris) is additive to one another.
Base Damage × (1+(AWD+SWD)/100)

#ask-td2-community message

[magic pilot]

You didn't keep it??

[magic pilot]

Depends

[magic pilot]

When LD is in loop you can do it under 20 btw

[dim spindle]

Is there much difference for high end ARs in choosing Optimist or Strained?

[patent fossil]

optimist better when few red cores, strained better when many (and good crit chance)

[magic pilot]

Pve run strained usually, for pvp run Optimist

Both are extremely close in dmg though

[dim spindle]

Good to know, thank you.

[acoustic coral]

CHC, ROF and DTA - depends on your build and other stats what is technically the most efficient.

[dull ermine]

I didn’t realize it’s worth till now lol

[magic pilot]

Omg

[acoustic coral]

@tawdry flare Now is your time to shine
I don't know, really - only LMGs I use are exotics

[tawdry flare]

MG5/RPK/L86 are the top picks

[magic pilot]

Fast hands is fine, strained is good too

[tawdry flare]

On lmg strained sucks

[magic pilot]

Not mentioning RPK is criminal

I'm a flatline kinda guy so

[tawdry flare]

I meant rpk for new reliable

I myself prefer sleipner

[magic pilot]

Ahhh

[tawdry flare]

iron lung which is highest burst dps but the reload and talents are meh

L86/RPK are top 2 picks

especially rpk for the larger mag

FH is the goto for most lmg simply due to the reload sucks

[magic pilot]

Don't think it's top anymore

[shy willow]

I really like new reliable

[tawdry flare]

Sadly it is if not counting DMG talents on weapons

Otherwise yeah

[dull ermine]

id pick strained or fast hands, imo the up time on strained is usually more useful

funny enough black friday is pretty stable but on unhinged talent makes other lmg's shoot the moon lol

[acoustic coral]

I don't think Black Friday has even been stable - even without the Green Poison

[magic pilot]

4th striker build

[bright raptor]

are those supposed to be Protection from Elites mods?

[shy willow]

I'd assume so

[magic pilot]

Yes

[tawdry flare]

Scorpio my favourite

[lyric prism]

I have that build. makes rogues so easy

[magic pilot]

Seems fun

[peak sphinx]

I tried to make the newest exo gloves usable.... but the just suck ass lol. If the would make it so it gives you 50%acc/stability or even better just 50%handling then i can see it being used but not as it is now unless you wanna handicap yourself but then just play blindfolded

Or has somebody achieved making something at least half good with em?

[glossy scarab]

what a damn tease. get my hopes up with perfect rolls but then its just.. this

[lyric prism]

you could call it The Condom and make a new named piece.

[tulip charm]

huh?

[lyric prism]

look at the stats and talent.

[magic pilot]

Perfect protected reload is gonna be game changing

Brandset will be 10% reload speed

[tawdry flare]

Brandset 10% handling

[acoustic coral]

🤓 ☝️ Well achtually, you aren't exactly reloading with a condom on

[lyric prism]

performance issue. I mean it is a named piece at that point, might help with the lack of chc.

[glossy scarab]

i found a merciless with dtoc already on it so im messing around with it in the range trying to get damage numbers for the explosion and it just says immune lol, it crits for over 4 million right before that tho so maybe thats giving you big damage rather than the explosion

[lyric prism]

probably bc range and not something that can take the damage.

status effects don't damage the range targets. spam it with Elmo's same thing.

shot damage registers, shock is immune.

[acoustic coral]

Wait what... It needs to have a name? And crit?

[lyric prism]

for ultimate performance in the DZ, of course.

[acoustic coral]

Where... Where's the DZ? 😳

[lyric prism]

heh

[acoustic coral]

Bravo Six, Going Dark

[lyric prism]

so what is the lmg build? 3p petrov /sawyers/2p walker/composure/?

someone asked me.

I thought maybe 2p petrov both named/sawyers/composure/2p walker/?

[blissful rampart]

exact same as AR builds

[lyric prism]

but wep handling at some point is whatever so contractors/1p petrov/spark on chest sounded an easy grab.

[blissful rampart]

so strongest single taget being strikers still'

[lyric prism]

ok

what about for Pesti?

[onyx sage]

are you asking for dz build or pve?

[lyric prism]

didn't ask but I'm curious for myself for Pesti.

[magic pilot]

3 lengmo pgc coyotes contractors

[blissful rampart]

the thing of pest is the dot is a small minor part of its dps, the bullet damage is majority of its dps, so still strikers (for pve) is strongest pest build, even though strikers buff doesnt buff pest dot.

if you DO want to go all in the pest dot then yea what he said above is fine ^^

[lyric prism]

yea I figured. I know some people stacked the whee out of WD to get stupid high dot ticks but it seemed pointless unless you got a super long encounter.

[blissful rampart]

going all in on the dot is fun though but much weaker then just going all in on the normal bullet damage (ie like strikers)

[lyric prism]

for me it would be for the redonk dot fun.

that and setting them on fire while doing it.

[lyric prism]

what about bp talent? composure sounded decent figured there might be better.

vigi?

[onyx sage]

vigilance

[hexed steppe]

dont forget the expertise 25 the pesti

[lyric prism]

its at 19 right now. getting there.

[blissful rampart]

Pest dot scales off of WD, TWD and amps (except strikers).

[hexed steppe]

busy bee will buff the shit out of it too right

[lyric prism]

two exotics.

[blissful rampart]

^^

[hexed steppe]

oh nope

damnit

[blissful rampart]

i mean if fast enough you could double swap maybe?

[hexed steppe]

nah i forgot about 2 exo