td2-build-advice

[shy willow]

I'm not actually sure tbh

[night snow]

Human language

[rich lotus]

it's very min maxing for sure

[shy willow]

I use grupo personally

[night snow]

Im playing this game for 5 days

[rich lotus]

Ouroboros

Exotic smg

[night snow]

Nope

[rich lotus]

Do you have dark winter named vector

[night snow]

I can farm for it

[rich lotus]

Grupo and what else

At that point might as well farm for ouro too since it's op

Maybe you get FTC luck and get it first try lol

[night snow]

Can u send me picture of ouro

[rich lotus]

But yeah this will prob somewhat what youre aiming for, weapons for sure get a lefty or an ACS, the high end pieces can be swapped to hands/holster doesn't need to be mask or knees its whatever you get first really

[night snow]

Will look for this one

[rich lotus]

Can only get it in incursion

[night snow]

Meh

Idk what it is xD

[rich lotus]

1 chance per week, but you can do it and maybe someone else drops it

[rich lotus]

Paradise Lost Incursion, top left on your map

[night snow]

In countdown rn

[rich lotus]

It's pretty hard and idk how well soloq will go since people hate when you dont run healer/full red strikers

[night snow]

Maybe my clan will be nice enough

[rich lotus]

Yeah tbh if you ask around people are sure to help

Specially high lvl people since the game gets boring for them and helping others is the only real good thing left to do lol

[night snow]

Ok will try

[pine monolith]

For St elmo's strikers you wanna get the obliterate talent on the ceska chest piece correct?

[night snow]

Ohhh talents

[night snow]

I need to know this too xD

[rich lotus]

Well depends

Strikers chest if you can keep consistent stacks, Obliterate if you can't

Isn't because of elmos it's usually the best choices out of all

[shy willow]

Grupo + striker + bloody knuckles

For turrets I just use standard DPS with obliterate chest

[rich lotus]

Oh you run bloody on perm?

I just hotswap it quickly usually

[shy willow]

Everything past turrets I use bloody knuckles

[rich lotus]

Now if nade throwing was a bit faster I would def rock that everywhere

[shy willow]

I just bash adds

Bosses I sledge and proc knuckles simultaneously

[rich lotus]

Oh I even forgot about the bash bonus ngl

How much % is it again

[tawdry flare]

25% TWD

Basically vigilance buff on gloves

[rich lotus]

So ob in a way

Oh yeah vigi

[rich lotus]

Except you gotta knock some teeth out every now and then

With the striker backpack bonus

[tawdry flare]

It's fine tbh the buff is busted tbh

Except for legendary

[rich lotus]

I'm too lazy to walk run in this game movement isnt pleasant for me lol

I just swap to it when boss encounter

[silver lark]

if I want a specific airaldi chest piece roll is it better to target chest pieces or airaldi?

[acoustic coral]

Airaldi - the only time you want to go for type is exotics

[silver lark]

thanks

[manic geyser]

for coyotes mask best to do countdown or kill coyote?

[patent fossil]

Either works, countdown probably faster on average but that's up to rng.

[manic geyser]

kk ty

[acoustic coral]

#ask-td2-community message

Here's a bit more info

[silver lark]

does floor 10 summit farming work for field recon data or is it better to just clear/reset control points?

[acoustic coral]

What SHD are you?

[rich lotus]

Somewhat, just don't play it on legendary so dogs and turrets don't spawn as much

Chainkiller build and it should be a breeze

[rocky rain]

What besides chc and chd are the better attributes? Skill repair for the hive?

[acoustic coral]

That depends so much on your build.
If you're sniping, HSD and Weapon Handling
DPS builds in general is CHC and CHD
Tank builds will have tank stats
Skill builds will have skill stats

[rocky rain]

I’m on dps but chc is maxed and chd used whenever possible.

[rich lotus]

Usually how it's done yeah, if using coyotes then have CHC around 50%, if no coyotes then you can try to get it to 60% and the rest all to CHD

Although sometimes you alternate between because maybe your team mates will run coyotes etc

[rich lotus]

Generally this is the way

[acoustic coral]

General Grievous, this is the way uses all 4 arms to point in different directions

[rich lotus]

Tank = Armor regen/Haz pro (Sometimes exp pro)
Healer/Support = Repair/Skill haste
Skill Builds = Skill damage/Skill haste
Sniper = HSD/Weapon handling
Dps = CHC/CHD

[rich lotus]

Yeppers

[rich lotus]

I lost count on explaining to some people why having 4 dps all running coyotes isn't efficient and they all refused to understand

🥹

"But its exotic and it gives bonus CHC so why not use it?"

[fleet sierra]

I read about people doing 50 mil damage shots with sniper builds, apparently using Hunters Fury. Can someone post me an up to date build that gets me on that track? As the rest I'm currently stuck on a bit over 20 mil with hotshot

[rich lotus]

Nemesis ocassion maybe

[rich lotus]

Which sniper do you use atm?

[shy willow]

Nemesis

[fleet sierra]

Yeah I thought so too, maybe it was more smack-talk than actual facts

[shy willow]

Although nemesis with hunters fury isn't practical

[fleet sierra]

White Death farming a godroll sr-1

[shy willow]

You wanna use regulus instead

[fleet sierra]

yeah I was doubting hunters fury on sniper anyway

[rich lotus]

Yeah white death got a lil nerf

[rich lotus]

Highly

[shy willow]

Headshot/chainkiller hunters fury is a very viable option but not with nemmy

[fleet sierra]

to benefit you'd have to stay in close proximity

[shy willow]

Generally a pummel shotgun and regulus

With a sniper as a backup

[rich lotus]

I'm close to getting my reg

[shy willow]

You will experience true power

[rich lotus]

Hopefulyl I don't have to reroll 39x to get DTOC like I did for eagle burger...

[fleet sierra]

yeah so sniper HF is just for poor non regulus users

[rich lotus]

It's just diff playstyles I think

[shy willow]

Pretty much

Wayyyy better off with hotshot if you want MMRs

[acoustic coral]

To be fair, you could min-max with having 3 running coyotes > get all 3 range buffs running

[rich lotus]

I have yet to see 1 dps running anything lower than 50% Chc

I'd much rather 2 having hybrid high/strikers

[acoustic coral]

It wasn't touched at all in resolve iirc - other mmr were just buffed past it

[rich lotus]

Damn those buffs were massive then

[acoustic coral]

I did say min-max.
1 coyote on SMG
1 coyote on AR
1 coyote on LMG/Rifle
They would tend to play different ranges, all 3 buffs would be applied and you could change around a lot of stats on gear to accommodate.
But that's min-max theory crafting territory

[shy willow]

They were indeed

[rich lotus]

Very rarely those instances would apply, too specific to be a general use kind of thing even if min maxing

Stuck at work for the next 2-3 hours sucksss

[acoustic coral]

You're just repeating my point.

[rich lotus]

Then I don't understand why it would be even considered min maxing

Way better results doing 2x coyotes 2x hybrids

Since 3rd would literally only give what 25% chc

[acoustic coral]

0-15m: +25% critical hit damage.
15-25m: +10% critical hit damage and +10% critical hit chance.
25m+: +25% critical hit chance.

1000 SHD + these 3 buffs =
45% CHC
55% CHD

You can generally get to 60% with just weapon mods, if you have an SMG you don't even need the weapon mods.
The rest you dump into CHD

[rich lotus]

And get around same results as 2 others running GS/Ceska

[acoustic coral]

With this no-one would need to run Ceska chest.

[acoustic coral]

Min-max theory crafting and general use are two wildly different categories.

[pastel pasture]

Wait a min, can demo firefly 1shot the Blacktusk(whitetusk) tanks backpack?

[shy willow]

Pretty sure they oneshot all weak points

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

They can one shot legendary warhounds deployed correctly

3 of them at once need oc they scales with dttoc afaik

[pastel pasture]

wait how does demo firefly scale off dttoc?

[tawdry flare]

Like oxi does

[patent fossil]

ran a watch mule through WONY to craft myself some hapsburg unicorns, >200 chests crafted and still no joy. It did give me a couple of these though:

[tawdry flare]

Rip at least you got Manning weekly for free thnx for the wony carry though

[patent fossil]

Aye np. I've still got about 5k scav points yet to spend, it's just a matter of the patience required to do the buying/crafting

[tawdry flare]

I need to start crafting the bag though

I guess m3rc33 is the only player I have seen with the unicorn

[patent fossil]

I crafted a bag with HSD and vigilance within about 5 tries, decided not to bother chasing the full unicorn unless I'm really bored enough

[pastel pasture]

dont do it, dont give div2 crafting materials

[tawdry flare]

I just remembered I have not optimised my scorpio

[native temple]

anyone got some advice?

[acoustic coral]

points to the evernote on Striker's build
Depends what you want to

[native temple]

i need more crit chane def

[acoustic coral]

Personally I don't see the use in memento on striker unless you're going legendary. I'd much rather have the striker backpack
Ceska chest with obliterate
Grupo mask/Coyote
Aim for 60% CHC, rest into CHD

If you're running coyote, 50% CHC

[flint wave]

ceska chest with obliterate talent and atleast 2 more blue cores so memento bonus armor is worthy

[native temple]

im farming coyote rn

and i dont rly like momento mutch but its the only good backpack i have atm

[acoustic coral]

If you don't like it, striker backpack is better for you. Only play memento if you like it

[flint wave]

memento striker better for solo regardless of contrnt

[acoustic coral]

ICYDK #ask-td2-community message

[native temple]

what

[acoustic coral]

in case you didn't know - click the link

[bright vine]

Hello elidz, If you’re playing solo under 500 shd lvl there’s not much incentive to play above challenging difficulty open world.. I see your shd lvl 96 nice work on the setup you got! You should find out what you want to farm/get and go for it using countdown or summit.. if you feel fine, you oughtta grind some control points to get blueprints and lvls up then. Bless yall here and hope your time goes well!

[flint wave]

under 500 shd lol lmao

[acoustic coral]

lol what? I soloed Legendary DUA sub 500 SHD

[flint wave]

I soloed tidal basin sub shd 1

[bright vine]

That’s not your only character, calm down, n ok

[acoustic coral]

Uuuhh, yes it is?

[flint wave]

jk I never did the Washington DC story

[bright vine]

Oh idc abt you

[acoustic coral]

I know, you don't even have the game installed kapp

[bright vine]

Yeah I was abt to say go play on only one character with no bps and whatever gear build shd lvl 1 and no other characters on/with the account go solo a legendary😂

Elmo had me almost rolling

[acoustic coral]

Look man, saying you shouldn't play above challenging under 500 shd lvl is just blatantly wrong

[bright vine]

I never said that

So go look man

[pastel pasture]

Im not shd level 500 can I do legendary?

[acoustic coral]

Hello elidz, If you’re playing solo under 500 shd lvl there’s not much incentive to play above challenging difficulty open world
Why isn't there much incentive then? kek

[acoustic coral]

No, just uninstall now and save the headache

[pastel pasture]

isnt there a talent called headache, preety sure i found one doing a CP

[acoustic coral]

There's one called trauma, basically the same

[flint wave]

save the hotshot talent

by uninstalling

[ancient dune]

Iirc it's about 0.3% per targeted loot drop for coyote so if we ballpark about 15-20 targeted loot drops per countdown run the time required is generally worse

But countdown will give a lot more loot overall

[pastel pasture]

how about we do that same thing with 15 other people, but everyone picks hasburg. we should get the unicorn pieces by next month!

[bright vine]

I’m under shd lvl 500, 300 tbh. My only character. No other bps, gear bps, gun mod bps, etc... missing plenty... moving from challenging to heroic is exactly that and it’s not worth much, hasn’t been worth much?.. I was just writing to the shd lvl 96 guy so I decided to say what you had read earlier, sorry g

What’s this unicorn? I don’t know much and would definitely say I’m div 2 noob. Thank you all in advance. Appreciated!!

[pastel pasture]

whats the name of the drone build that can solo legendarys? FI?

[bright vine]

That’s sounds awesome I’ve never played a legendary also even solo

[ancient dune]

Crit rigger build

Dien can confirm

[bright vine]

Aw it says I’m pc when I’m ps4 I swear I hit the thing right

Where would you guys go to farm pieces? Probably not the place for this question..

[tulip charm]

countdown

[dull ermine]

countdown but if the target loot is area specific i prefer that

[acoustic coral]

I did try and math the comparison to targeted loot in open world and countdown, but it becomes messy as the only official drop rate data of exotics are pr. kill.
The chance of an exotic dropping from an enemy in LZ on Heroic is 0.024% or 1 exotic in 4166.67 kills (official data) - but that does not fit with any data from personal play and others.
If you farm exotics in LZ (say CP4) with targeted loot as mask, you only have a 0.008% chance of getting Coyote's Mask from every kill - as there's 3 exotic masks.
Even smaller chance in countdown, as the exotic chance is reduced. But you get to buy an exotic cache.

Generally, if I wanna farm for an exotic, I follow the FAQ

Randoms or friends, it doesn't matter

If Lincoln does not have the right targeted loot, farm open world targeted loot instead.
Pick your favourite Heroic CP4 in the area.

Farm this Heroic CP4 with as few people as you can manage. (this lets you clear faster and kill Named enemies
more often)
If you have friends who will drop the exotic for you, farm it with them.

Every time you clear the CP4, reset all control points to hostile to do it again immediately.
Every time you reset, immediately call for nearby allies so that you are able to respawn on them."``` - suited to solo gameplay however

[acoustic coral]

You can just go un-hit the pc role

[bright vine]

Am I ps4 now 😉

[acoustic coral]

Even with his current gear (elidz1g) he can pump through Heroic on 0 Directives.
Swap Memento for Striker backpack, get a Ceska chest with obliterate and Grupo mask -> Heroic 2-4 Directives after getting used to them.
Get coyote's and godroll the pieces -> Heroic 4 Directives without barely thinking.

[bright vine]

I read all that*, thanks for it. Will farm open world when it matches with the exotics I want! And use countdown for quality and quantity of shit lol.

Well I do agree with that. Once a nice setup with that strikers.. get to know spawns, I could probably do that. I checked on the striker builds and took ss of those so thanks for those too 🙂

[acoustic coral]

No problemo! Last part in the 'special block' is straight from the FAQ in the pinned spreadsheet here in this channel, great resource

[left wolf]

Strikers or negotiators

[tawdry flare]

Depends strikers for most cases

[hexed steppe]

nego really good outside of incursion/raid

[tawdry flare]

Bruh nego is so good in raids you can't imagine

[hexed steppe]

😆 not you too.. ok youre right

[wise swallow]

Yes imo

Both are great for their respective purposes

[left wolf]

Trying actively not to keep getting kicked from countdowns

[hexed steppe]

go with striker in cd

[wise swallow]

Striker then

[left wolf]

Thought it was a low shd thing

[hexed steppe]

striker best with tanky enemy, nego best when you have a shit ton of npc to deal with

sometimes is. heroic gets shd/build kicks. you dont see it in challenging

[acoustic coral]

Kick in countdown is more often than not SHD based, but if you have a Striker build you shouldn't be kicked.
I personally run the BluescreenDilemma, but I don't think everyone knows about it - am 1k+ shd so probs the difference to that

[flint wave]

negotiator in countdown🗿

[tawdry flare]

Is good who are you kidding

It's HH that's bad in heroic cd

[flint wave]

get off challenging countdown

[tawdry flare]

I play heroic cd

[flint wave]

not with negotiator I hope

[pastel pasture]

I had bad luck this morning with countdown, 5 runs, halfway thru people got dced, then people just quit.

[tawdry flare]

Ofc negotiator pgc elmo

[acoustic coral]

Issue with elmo is that I don't know what is a meme and what isn't, especially because 🗿

[flint wave]

Issue with elmo Is my nitro expires today

no more elmo soon

[tawdry flare]

Elmo nego pgc is definitely not meme

[acoustic coral]

The person, not the gun

[acoustic coral]

Fat L
Nitro Classic Enjoyers 🍷

[flint wave]

no nitro classic, only basic

[tawdry flare]

Fat L Free tier enjoyer

[acoustic coral]

L

[flint wave]

[acoustic coral]

They will have to force Nitro Classic out of my hands

[onyx sage]

rare breed

[solar token]

is there a good way to farm shd calibration bundle recipe? i've seen some people say to just farm control points

[onyx sage]

that's the way yes

[acoustic coral]

I also have the OG Humble Monthly plan, but there's sadly no benefits there anymore

[onyx sage]

rip

[acoustic coral]

Used to be a benefit that allowed me to choose more games from the monthly choice, but now every plan gets everything (I just found out actually lol, never saw that change)

Only "benefit" now is the Classic plan charges in USD, the new plan is in local currency, but we're talking minor differences

[bright raptor]

such is life when you're dealing with a terminally unfunny person trying to be funny

[hexed steppe]

Crafting shd calibrations is really expensive on your resource reserves... it's way cheaper to use scavenging points to direct puschase

[modern heron]

Is this any good for a 1shot sniper build?

[covert meadow]

Is it better to use the capacitor in conjunction with the tester for a skill build, opposed to the tester and Scorpio since the nerf update for capacitor?

[hexed steppe]

Whitedeath is still good, m700 and sr1 now surpass the damage of whitedeath with the most recent patch. Onan ideal version you would want a better talent and damage to targets out of cover as 3rd attribute

[hexed steppe]

Use capacitor .
What skills?

[modern heron]

Thanks for the info ill keep an eye out for them

[hexed steppe]

Cap wasnt nerfed

[covert meadow]

@hexed steppe running damage and haste, except 1 efficiency since I still haven't gotten a haste and damage

[hexed steppe]

What skills? It makes a difference in what is suggested

[covert meadow]

I mean 1 effect*

Oh sorry...I'm running technician and striker drone, striker turret

[hexed steppe]

Ok. Yeah run cap then test subject or harmony for perf insync.

If you were running explosives your secondary would be an insync mop shotgun (explosives benefit from dta while turret/drone doest)

[covert meadow]

I

I just got a harmony the other day

[hexed steppe]

Nice, that was my second for a long time

[covert meadow]

Awesome I still need to build stronger stats but the base is solid?

[hexed steppe]

So you have flexibility with your spec since you dont need the skilltier. Personally I use gunner for the aok and passive ammo for me abs team

[covert meadow]

Yeah this was fir pve, heroic solo

[hexed steppe]

Yeah. I would keep N eye on how well you are keeping perfect combined arms procced. If it seems like more often it off then switch bag for 1 with tech support

[covert meadow]

For*

Ok ty @hexed steppe

[hexed steppe]

I use this sometimes for same thing. Like elite kills when I want to be lazyv

20%-30% armor on kill 😎

[covert meadow]

This is exactly what I was trying to figure out, sometimes that hard run n Gun is like ....yeah not today lol

Will convert what I have into this

Protect on elite 13, never had one, only have 12's

[hexed steppe]

The mods are pfe. You'll probably have plenty of haste

I have 1x 13% in 6300 hrs. It's rare af

[covert meadow]

Wow!

That's insane

[hexed steppe]

I'm good with 12% , 1% isnt worth the hassle.

[covert meadow]

Nice

[pastel pasture]

Does contractor gloves (dmg to armor) affect skill dmg going out to enemies? or only gun?

[hexed steppe]

Depends on the skill.
Kinetics like turret/drone no.

Explosives ,fire , oxi yes

[ancient dune]

A few years ago a data miner posted about the targeted loot and its exotic rate (source: https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/jg8b1y/datamined_targeted_loot_drop_chances_and_an/ ) which is probably where the discrepancy comes from; the exotic rate of the direct loot drop from challenging countdown may be 0.006% but any time targeted loot drops it rolls on a different table with a higher exotic drop chance. Trying to map the rate at which loot drops is a bit harder because iirc it was found that there's some kind of pity system where each subsequent kill without a loot drop increased the chances of one dropping (I can't remember where I read this sorry) but we can get a rough estimate of how much loot drops from countdown just from experience

[hexed steppe]

Oxi and demo firefly will use dttooc and dta

[pastel pasture]

Whats the minor attributs? skill dmg and haste?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah it's all you really need for kinetics

The palisades piece took more than 100 crafts to get the right stats.its just icing and not necessary if you dont have

[pastel pasture]

why palisades?

also what does skill efficiency do?

[hexed steppe]

Armor on kill

20-30% aok on build

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, the only official note on exotic drops are pr. kill, but those are the random exotics - as you noted (and the post), exotic drop rates are different for targeted loot and it becomes difficult to calculate, as we don't know the specifics, whether that information still holds up, if there's a pity system in place and how it works if so.

If I want to actively farm exotics (haven't really had a need to for a long time tbh), my priority goes (on Heroic 5D):

• Lincoln
• CP4
• Countdown/Summit (because you get all the other loot + caches)

[modern heron]

Is eagle bearer better than st elmos?

[hexed steppe]

Efficiency is % in every skill bucket

So skill damage, haste, repair, duration, skill health, and status effects. Very strong bonus

[pastel pasture]

no wave form?

Also armor on kill means you personally have to get the kill not skills or teamates correct?

[onyx sage]

your skills can get the kill

also, there are 2 variants of armor on kill, the AoK stat and preservation. it is important to note that AoK stat will not proc when you kill electronics, but preservation will

[hexed steppe]

I'm just using regular aok. No preservation

[onyx sage]

yeah just something to keep in mind

[hexed steppe]

No waveform. Not a huge fan of its shifting damage.

Ig I didn't make that a reply 😅

[onyx sage]

in electronic/skill proxy heavy content (looking at stovepipe) aok stat is very unreliable

[hexed steppe]

Usually a lot of emp in stuff like that too. Not good for skills 😉

[onyx sage]

indeed

[hexed steppe]

For knocking out cp4 and being lazy about it its perfect

[modern heron]

Dose lefty go well will ouro

[covert meadow]

@hexed steppe got a question? I been working on the skill build you showed me, to keep the 6 tier, for the steel work pads if just got 1 that has full armor, and practically full haste, leaving the ability to roll a full damage, my question is can I keep technician or is gunner absolutely must, this is for pve no pvp is involved?

That Aldo would give a decent tremendous boost from 728.k armor to 914.8k before adding the pfe @12

[dull ermine]

Gunner is only needed so you can run pistolero directive and also get 10% armor on kill.

If you run emperors guard kneepads or just belstone 1 pc with all yellows it’s almost the same effect and allows you to run technician or some other specialization for several options

Tech - increased damage from skills if you select that node, increased damage to enemy skills and mechs

Survivalist - crossbow to break armor of warhounds or chungas

Firewall - if you’re running fragile armor or hard to earn most likely you will be health gating (just letting your health bar refill) - in this case firewall grants HEALTH on kill which helps to make up for lost health even tho it regenerates.

HEALTH on kill is important for status effect enemies such as outcasts or cleaners who love to set everything on fire, also helps negate special ammo like fire or bleed by giving you some health on kill

Personally I run technician but the options listed have their benefits

With technician you can technically have 2 armor cores / weapon cores by holding TDI kard - talent sledgehammer

Or in sync if that floats ur boat

[covert meadow]

Hey @dull ermine yeah I really appreciate you explaining and helping me with this, I'm going to show you a Pic, it's kinda a hybrid for me, since u don't subscribe to psn to do Countdown.

[dull ermine]

30% increased skill damage when you shoot enemies whilst your skills shoot them

Sledgehammer I run in case enemies are clustering up or becoming a real problem, throw a grenade and melt some armor .. you can run stage left or lefty in favor of this but you lose the skill tier

[dull ermine]

Wym by subscribe to psn to do countdown?

[covert meadow]

I have online, but in order to play this Countdown to search for extra gear at a faster pace, I was told Countdown is the only way. Well right now paying to play online is not feasible fir me

Here is where I'm at on this build

[dull ermine]

My preferred skill build really includes the deathgrips gloves but you can slot in the new palisade brandset for armor on kill

[hexed steppe]

Its definitely not a must. I was more showing you there was flexibility in the build/spec depending on how you setup your cores

[covert meadow]

I have better pieces then some of the new stuff it's just a matter of adding or removing

[dull ermine]

My skill build generally for heavy directives uses emperors guard kneepads and deathgrips, you can also throw in belstone rolled yellow. You don’t need the Hana U if running drone and turret

I’ve seen some people slap on armor regen instead of skill haste but I’ve seen someone suggest to replace skill haste with Headshot damage and run dodge city holster (you will need technician for this)

Enjoy some 1 shots

Think it was Azurmen who suggested that

[hexed steppe]

You can use summit and select target loot if online isnt available. Easy to solo

[dull ermine]

You don’t need more than 3 pieces of empress

Also run kinetic momentum instead of glass cannon… its nearly the same thing as its only bullet damage

[hexed steppe]

Not the same

Glass way better and never goes on codown

Affects skills and weapon. Kinetic is only skills

[dull ermine]

KM doesn’t either it’s just when the skill resets. It’s just an option for if you want to play more safe

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, half the damage lost for entire cooldown

Then has to build up

[dull ermine]

It’s not really that big a deal, it’s worth it if you’re trying to avoid dying when running a bunch of directives but I’m not gonna argue glass cannon is better it’s just not worth the damage trade off for drone n turret

[covert meadow]

Ok ima do something here, and see what yall think, this how ya learn

[pastel pasture]

I learn by copying.

[strange wigeon]

Got my clan-mate a oreo at shd level 11 😂

[hexed steppe]

I figure a skill turret/drone build will be mostly in cover directing the skills. Not a ton of risk in that tbf.
All I use is perfect glass on skill and really never in that much risk. The build I posted earlier also has a bunch of aok and pfe so if damage occurs it's usually topped up in a few seconds.
Mortar build I dont have the extra safety of aok but it still performs well and rarely in danger

[covert meadow]

Those are my best pieces keeping full 6 tier

[hexed steppe]

If you get a sacrifice chest with yellow skill damage/haste rolls, save it to roll the core yellow. It's an extra 5% amp and you'll be able to replace the chest since its bonus is status effects. This should work well

[dull ermine]

You play solo or matchmake? I run KM for matchmaking. It really isn’t much risk if you know how to use cover but I run around a lot to do objectives and what not. Plus imo skill builds that use turret and drone are passive and I don’t like combined arms. I mostly just shoot named enemies and chungas

[covert meadow]

Ok @hexed steppe 👍 ty both again for everything

I play solo only

[dull ermine]

Summit EMP/Servers I don’t trust GC

[hexed steppe]

Yeah I mm a lot but I'm usually solo if I'm using an afk (turret/drone) build.
Mm I do use mortar and it perfect glass perfect combined arms. Btsu and hive.

[dull ermine]

Why not the strategic alignment backpack

Ah I use wyvern in place of PGC

but I could run PGC if I drop the waveform

Is wyvern glass cannon anywhere near PGC?

[hexed steppe]

Sa is 20% tsd, and it procs after you apply a status. First mortar strike has no benefit.
Pca on other hand is 30%tsd and can be procced anytime before the mortar hits to apply.

Wyvern glass is ok but it's less amp. I'm not sure how they rank with eachother but amps arent additive, skill damage is and the build will be stacked with skill damage+cap

[dull ermine]

@covert meadow my passive turret build

Pistol is 93R with insync for burst blind firing

[dull ermine]

I run blinder firefly, foam or explosive seeker mine for that effect

Also I agree on combined arms being better but most of the time I find enemies are rushing to spread out and you want to fire immediately

[covert meadow]

Ok cool tyvm looks strong 💪

[hexed steppe]

That's what's nice with PCA, just pop a shot to proc it and insync at the same time.
With mortar and stinger hive its all high damage skills. Hive doubles as proc for btsu and if mortar goes on cooldown I can get it back instantly 😉

[covert meadow]

I have those gloves

[hexed steppe]

I proc pca right before mortar strikes

[covert meadow]

Btsu

[hexed steppe]

They are a lot of fun

[dull ermine]

I just don’t use it cause it’s high maintenance. It’s like concussion from 15+ meters lol

[hexed steppe]

Since we talking mortar

[dull ermine]

I tried stacking the capacitor during the fight it’s so much work lol

Everything is either dead or you gotta find a chunga

[hexed steppe]

But all this back and forth is basically just about min/Maxing it's hard to mess up a skill build 💯

I use mop a lot and when I throw the hive in I stack up cap since its duration is longer than PCA procs

[covert meadow]

Damn that looks beastly to lol

[dull ermine]

I like that BTSU setup

[hexed steppe]

Cap stacked mortar strikes are 10mil. Oc is around 12mil

Mop proc are about 8-9 mil

[dull ermine]

Capacitor should be mop with in sync on that

[covert meadow]

That looks fire as well!

One thing I'll say you both ain't messing around I feel sorry for the cpu lol

[hexed steppe]

🤣

[covert meadow]

Bringing some serious heat

[hexed steppe]

We got them unicorn grupo 🍻

[covert meadow]

👍

[dull ermine]

I had it named war crimes but had to change it in case I take a break 😂

[hexed steppe]

You could easily make a minor adjustment and have a decent mortar as well.
Your wyvern bag would move brand to the knee, then strategic alignment bag added. Same rolls you're already using

Demo and done

[dull ermine]

I must warn you if you’re on ps4 and someone pulls it out as well rip your eyes 😂

[hexed steppe]

Have you used this after resolve and the grupo explosive dmg increase?

[dull ermine]

It literally triggers the blind effect by turning your screen black

[dull ermine]

No I haven’t used it in a while, last I used it was during a Hollywood event

It was between that and HW seeker

[serene flare]

wow, a natty Model 700 with a perfect roll

[dull ermine]

Hax

[serene flare]

skill

[covert meadow]

How would go about making it demo @hexed steppe I have the gloves and bag, the mop

[hexed steppe]

Made the proper lootcifer sacrifices , I see 🍻

[covert meadow]

Mask I don't have though

[dull ermine]

3 pc empress, mask, gloves, knee or holster

Either waveform or wyvern, china light (preferably strategic alignment) or if your not lazy perfect combined arms

[covert meadow]

I have waveform

[dull ermine]

It’s a good exotic for this

[hexed steppe]

This would just be a modification of your turret drone. Farm wyvern knee to replace palisades.
Farm china light strategic alignment bag. If want to use btsu like I do, use an empress chest with glass to maintain 3pc bonus

[dull ermine]

That empress glass is kind of rare to be honest (for me it took a while), see if you can get it with wyvern

But I think u were already running it

[hexed steppe]

Demo class, arty turret. I personally like hive because you never need to wait long to throw it out with just partial charge in a pinch

[covert meadow]

Ok and the China light bag needs perfect combination on it?

Or glass I mean

[hexed steppe]

Strategic alignment bag has perfect shock and awe. It's a little less damage than PCA but it stays proc for 27 sec

[covert meadow]

Ok I just got lucky and got the knee at recal table

[hexed steppe]

Nice

[covert meadow]

Let's goooo

[hexed steppe]

You'll find a lot of pieces will do double duty in other builds. Not just skill but crit builds as well

[covert meadow]

I just got the bag to! All three yellows!

[hexed steppe]

Nice. Mortar has a learning curve because it has travel time. But once get the timings down it's just massive destruction

[covert meadow]

Ima show yall this, I think I got it right

Wait.. didn't you say I could keep the chest to right? Wyvern chest?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah

[acoustic coral]

If the stability of a weapon is already max, like on this, does putting the compensator on do a difference?

[covert meadow]

k

[hexed steppe]

What's actual stability in stat screen

[acoustic coral]

idk, but what is the point of these bars if I have to go to stat screen

[hexed steppe]

They arent useful. Equip and look at the stats

[covert meadow]

I can roll on the knees haste, status or repair skills, my damage on the knees are 4.9

[dull ermine]

U want skill damage skill haste

[covert meadow]

Ok, so it's always haste n dmg I'm looking fir

[dull ermine]

You can run explosive seeker min for almost the same effect as mortar, weaker but blast both in the same place and you’re 1 shotting elites in 4 player heroic

[covert meadow]

Wait am I putting on tech for the bag for this to?

[acoustic coral]

@serene flare Speaking of a UI overhaul, how about these bars actually mean anything lol

[serene flare]

The bars are VERY dumb. They need to have actual values between min and max accuracy and stability, probably with a visual aid video nested if you hover over them. Accuracy and Stability aren't explained well very much at all, so having a visual aid would help out a lot.

Not to mention the range "graph" is borderline useless. We need actual numbers and rangefinders to tell us how far out things are.

[covert meadow]

Ok think this is right, I set up the points for gunner for assault rifle, shotgun and rifle with side arm.

I'm not sure if I'm replacing pfe's with actual haste?

And on the bag should I have tech there as well ?

[acoustic coral]

It's interesting, because I've never really thought that much about it, because I control my spray with the mouse anyways, and have not had a need to run 100% stability on MMR - so I've just went with the bars

Then I started thinking... wondering... asked in here, local says check stats... hmm, watch a few videos... find out it still "makes a difference"

[serene flare]

MMRs almost require 100% stability if you're using a scope

[acoustic coral]

So damn stupid lmao

[acoustic coral]

Remember how you said skill issue earlier regarding pvp?

[serene flare]

Not wanting to time my shots for when my enemy is in my crosshair and for when the scope sway stops moving isn't a "skill issue" lmao

[acoustic coral]

I mean, I haven't really needed it, so saying required is a bit over the top lol

[onyx sage]

it's really only if you want absolutely 0 sway

but most of the time people don't stay scoped anyway because that means eating bullets

[hexed steppe]

youll want shock and awe or combined arms. shock and awe will be more forgiving when learning the build. china light has a named bag with perfect shock and awe. strategic alignment

other than that, just switch over to stinger and arty turret on that and youll be off to the races

[covert meadow]

@hexed steppe ok the one I'm running China light replica, the gloves they won't let me recal to dmg so I'm stuck on repair skills, the pfes do I replace those with actual haste?

Ohh stinger I put revive

[hexed steppe]

if you time your overcharging for right after mortar goes on cooldown mortar will be back and the hive will go into rapid charge and be back full in a few seconds

[hexed steppe]

mods are choice, it will lower your cooldowns even further with haste

youll also want the turret that looks like this

[covert meadow]

Ok went with the haste on those 3

Oh ok 👍

[hexed steppe]

should test it in the range aoe targets and see what type of damage numbers you pull with mop proc and full capacitor proc

[covert meadow]

Ok will go there now

Dps to 20

[hexed steppe]

dont worry about what the range itself says, just check the floating numbers as it hits

not sure if ps has a chat box but if it does you can have it print out damage numbers under the combat info tab

[covert meadow]

Saying 1.4 Mill on capacitor 26,444.0 and Mop 922,664 and dmg 34k

Ok

Combat info tab in stats?

[covert meadow]

Yeah I'm legit looking but I don't see it no where

[gentle lichen]

It doesn't exist in ps

[covert meadow]

Ohh..yeah I'm on ps not pc

[hexed steppe]

welp, do you see floating damage numbers around the targets?

[covert meadow]

Yep those were the numbers above

1.4 million for 1 capacitor clip and real close 944k for the mop

If they were right up on me

[hexed steppe]

example of my numbers anyways. yours will be a little less but you should aproach or exceed 8m, a bit more if overcharged

[copper holly]

Anyone got a good skill build for legendary

[hexed steppe]

these are the strikes themselves on elite targets

[covert meadow]

Ohhhh....

Now I see ufff I'm well low

[hexed steppe]

you wont really be looking at the weapon damage numbers. they are more utility for the skills

[covert meadow]

I'm hitting like 236k the floating numbers

[hexed steppe]

with the mortar

[covert meadow]

Yeah it's like 236 floating

Mortar is the full orange shield under the ammo count?

Yup that's it

[hexed steppe]

shoild under ammo count is you ignore 1 explosive protection

[covert meadow]

Oh, well I'm using full clips n reloading so mortar must not be active

[hexed steppe]

then you hit the aoe targets with the mortar, do they all drop?

you have to deploy it

[covert meadow]

Ohhhhhhhh

[hexed steppe]

😆

[covert meadow]

Smh lol 😆 😂

[hexed steppe]

all good

[covert meadow]

I had to throw it out then tap L1

Yup it explodes everything lol

[hexed steppe]

youll see a target on the ground that you can aim with. itll take some getting used too getting it to hit the right areas, but itll highlighe npcs in red if they are in the blast radius

[covert meadow]

Now I see what you meant lol when you said time it right, that's massive

[hexed steppe]

yeah oc gives a bigger diameter for your blast and should bump it up a mil or 2

of you oc when mortar is still active it gives a few extra shots as well

[covert meadow]

Wow yeah ima have to get use to this, find good cover points to

And my rolls aren't even all the way up yet on my pieces

[hexed steppe]

also, if you just overcharges, you can throu out a partial hive and take advantage of that having an oc diameter and stupis fast charges. like 2mil to 4mil per hive charge

youll find some areas you may not be able to reach with its range, but you can place it pretty far ahead of you as you get into cover and itll help hit those firther areas

[covert meadow]

Yo this crazy, appreciate you showing me this, when this thing hit max its gone curtains for these ads 😂

[hexed steppe]

yeah, hollywood ge coming up in 5-7 weeks, this will make shit wild

[covert meadow]

🙂

[hexed steppe]

i like using the build in groups. the btsu oc is team wide and itll kill the cooldowns of revive hives and stuff like that. ill sometimes save the oc till i see revives on cooldown so they dont have to wait the 180 seconds or w/e it happens to be

[covert meadow]

Yeah I can definitely see how this build will won't to get in group play, I might to, when I get more stable to get the subscription for online play

Ima get out here and try it out in the field abit, yo ty for helping me get this set up! Appreciate it, I'll let ya know the experience 💯 💪

[hexed steppe]

Anytime my guy, tear some shit up 💥

[crystal storm]

How do I get the lady death???

[radiant abyss]

Play in SMG targeted loot areas (or do countdown / summit and set your target loot to SMG) , It can also drop from world bosses in NYC

[crystal storm]

Thank you

[clear wagon]

should i go for strained or optimist

[ancient dune]

are you running any red cores

[clear wagon]

all 6

striker build with fenris and coyotes mask

[ancient dune]

strained is much better

[wheat anchor]

Depends on how fast the gun shoots

If its something like a vector, optimist

[rich lotus]

I'm only missing about 20-30 materials or so for iron horse raid, raids will reset today if not already. Can I run it twice 1 for last mats and 1 for the regulus parts or do I have to wait another week for it

[tawdry flare]

You can run incursion for mats

[rich lotus]

For regulus?

Ironwork Base Materials is what I'm missing

[tawdry flare]

Afaik they drop from incursion

[rich lotus]

Thought it was raid only

I'll have to test it later

[rustic cove]

For best rolls on weapons why is damage out of cover considered the best stat over stuff like critical hit damage?

[fickle light]

Its a seperate modifier that is rare to get in other peices, only found on one gear piece. It gives more damage than CHD would in the same spot.

[rich lotus]

Most stats are additive except DTOC and DTA which are multiplicative, most people see more value on DTOC over DTA because it gives you overall damage bonus to targets with no armor such as robots, heavy and etc

[ancient dune]

That's not technically right boss, most stats are multiplicative to each other (crit and headshot being the only exception really) it's just that stats that you already have a lot of like crit or weapon damage are worth less than stats that are more uncommon like dttooc

[hexed steppe]

All stats are multiplicitive. The 2 you mention are actually additive to themselves... amps are the only damage that is not additive

[rich lotus]

I keep getting info from A to B that somehow keeps being wrong

[ancient dune]

it's because people always call them additive stats without really understanding what that means

[rich lotus]

Thats what I always read before

Blabla DTOC and DTA multiplicative therefore better

[rich lotus]

So its not worth using DTOC + DTA

Example fox's and contractors?

[hexed steppe]

That's fine. But if you look at the damage formula you'll understand. Each category multiplies with the other categories but you always have to add up from all sources first.
Amps on the other hand have their own multiplier that isnt additive to any other amp/ main category

[ancient dune]

I guess it doesn't really do any harm to think of them that way so there's no need to go too deep into it

[rich lotus]

Total Damage = Base weapon Damage * (1+Weapon Damage+Weapon Type Damage+Weapon Damage Talents) Is this it?

[hexed steppe]

If your crit chance is good then it's worth. If they affect a skill you're using it's worth.
But it is additive to say, dta/dttooc on your weapon

[hexed steppe]

Something like that. Maybe a maths guy can post the formula.

[ancient dune]

Nah it's more like

Total damage = base weapon damage * (1 + weapon damage) * (1 + CHD + hsd) * (1 + dta or dth) * (1 + dttooc) * (1 + amp)...

With more unique stuff like damage to robotics, damage to status targets, etc.

[rich lotus]

Whats DTH

[ancient dune]

Health

[rich lotus]

Oh yeah

[pastel pasture]

is hunters fury the only other DPS option besides high end and strikers? for ARs

[ancient dune]

You can see how each unique buff multiplies with each other rather than them all adding in a line

[rich lotus]

Thought DTA and DTOC was additive one another

[hexed steppe]

They are

[ancient dune]

Nah no unique stat is additive other than CHD to hsd

[rich lotus]

Lol

[hexed steppe]

In their own category dttooc or dta is additive

[ancient dune]

Oh yeah so your gun dttooc is additive to your fox's dttooc if that's what you meant

[hexed steppe]

Yeah

[rich lotus]

I mean thats obvious

[ancient dune]

Otherwise dta and dttooc are separate multipliers

[rich lotus]

Thought you meant DTOC + DTA

[hexed steppe]

No, only category specific

[rich lotus]

I wonder how div would be if HS and CHD were multiplicative too

[ancient dune]

Uhh I guess weapon damage and like AR damage are actually additive too

I forgot to mention that

[rich lotus]

So dedicated weapon modifiers are additive

[hexed steppe]

Wd and swd yeah

[rich lotus]

SMG, sniper etc

[ancient dune]

Yea weapon type (e.g. AR, SMG, etc.) damage is additive to weapon damage

[hexed steppe]

Specific weapon damage

[bright raptor]

Heartbreaker trades max damage for some bonus armor, Negotiator's Dilemma is still very strong if you're good at prioritizing targets

[ancient dune]

Total weapon damage is a separate multiplier but some of the things marked twd are actually amps

So it's a bit hard to keep track of 💀

[rich lotus]

Does glass cannon increase WD or what was it again

[hexed steppe]

That's where shit starts getting confusing 😆

[ancient dune]

That's an amp

[rich lotus]

Now it makes sense why the insane dmg boost

[rich lotus]

Yep

[ancient dune]

They used to be quite good at marking which stats were what up until season 3

[rich lotus]

Surprised they're even still going with seasons

[ancient dune]

Striker used to be marked as an amp a long time ago 👴

[rich lotus]

Didnt td1 end at like season 4?

year 4

Something like that cant remembr

[rich lotus]

On div 2?

[ancient dune]

Yeah before the buff

[rich lotus]

Saving this, pretty handy

[ancient dune]

It's not comprehensive haha not even TWD is in there even though that's a big one because I forgor to type it

Just follow the general rule that everything adds to itself but multiplies against each other other than some very specific things

[pastel pasture]

can you explain alittle mmore about negotiator dilemma?

[bright raptor]

Critical hits mark targets, and when you land a critical hit the critical hit damage is shared across up to three targets

So you mark your targets, and then focus on the toughest one or one that doesn't take cover, usually by the time you kill it the others are also dead from the shared damage

I run the Negotiator's backpack so 100% of the crit damage is shared - you can increase the maximum marked targets to five with the chest, but five targets at once rarely happens so it's not worth it

[twilit geyser]

Does anyone know if it’s possible to make eclipse crit build? I’ve been thinking for a long time that with the backpack talent if I put burn on someone and kill them it will spread burn to everyone else within range and running crits on every piece with pyromaniac does it sound dumb or could it possibly work atleast ok?

[ancient dune]

I've tried it before it's very mediocre

The status duration is very short because you haven't built for it, the backpack amp is nice enough but it doesn't really compare to striker and the build lacks crit in general so it can barely hold up against even high end

[bright raptor]

it's much less painful to use Capacitor on a "regular" full status Eclipse build

[ancient dune]

I thought it would be fun to play with for a change at least but it was just generally very frustrating because the status durations were so short

[shy willow]

I tried doing some nonsense with shocker punch with it once but yeah it's not very good

[twilit geyser]

At this point I don’t think anyone should expect a build to be as good as striker and tbh your only giving yourself pain on trying to hope something is that’s the way i think

[ancient dune]

Ya mainly it isn't even fun it just feels frustrating chasing a 0.5s proc

And you don't have enough substat slots to build both status and crit

[twilit geyser]

Only thing I can’t support is the people who treat striker like it’s the end all be all and there’s nothing else I can understand if something isn’t great like you said above^ but the main think I look for is can it do heroic content atleast not good but ok enough to enjoy the build

[twilit geyser]

Yeah sounds rough

Looks like that pyromaniac is gonna stay on the dust shelf it could be worse though imagine if fire holster becomes meta again if they buff it 😂

[ancient dune]

You're not the first person to see that 30% amp and go "what if.." though :')

I know there's definitely some other folks out there that have grinded the pieces out and been disappointed too

[acoustic coral]

Can recommend this one from iKia

[ancient dune]

The transition damage isn't quite right 🧐

A shot that overkills armour actually gets the dta modifier removed from the overkill damage but the dth modifier is not applied to it it's kind of a scam

[tawdry flare]

Bruh Scorpio with dttoc is so busted now hitting for 2mil on pellet with striker chest

[dense hound]

so are there any other talents like trauma?

[rich lotus]

Omg i forgot i can finally reroll scorpio

[rich lotus]

Thanks

[hushed saddle]

Guys, what do I do with an exotic that I won't use anymore? I can't take away attributes or anything like that, right?

[rich lotus]

Deconstruct

[hushed saddle]

Disassemble it?

[rich lotus]

Yes

[hushed saddle]

Ok!

[acoustic coral]

I don't fuck with DTA/DTH in the calculation (running none currently), but I took iKia's DPS calculator that is built on the formula and it is close to perfect (it's off by 2 damage)

[dull ermine]

There’s only one gun it can consistently work with imo besides Scorpio and that’s iron lung

St Elmo’s is a poor choice for it because it’s down half the time

[flint wave]

Dps eclipse 🤢

[twilit geyser]

The cooldowns would probably be garbage for the fire chem launcher and sticky too so it’ll be tough regardless

[dull ermine]

You’d want foam chem and banshee pulse anything else doesn’t make sense due to cooldown

Shock trap is too inconsistent and fidgety to deploy, alternative is stinger hive

But red eclipse your main goal really is weakpoints or barrels or something

[twilit geyser]

I’m at a point where I’m making build just to find uses for some guns I have over 25 builds from striker to a darn crit heal build so next up is just experimenting with guns picking up dust

[dull ermine]

This is a build I’m thinking of making https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKqAsA2EAGFbUfegXHUFV8ZkCtNycBOcKGGuOMpi5bYCaQ57l7SADlpcWPMnwDsQuiJliwCarGABWGJWjBKjTapnZZB-aL0IjBlGeNA

I think it’s okay to use but it might only make sense solo/duo … when you have a bunch of people spreading them out you might as well put down your mouse

[twilit geyser]

This seems like a pretty good idea on paper as long as you look at it from a creative way and not compare everything to striker like some people

[dull ermine]

The worst thing I’ve come across with matchmaking is people drag the enemies across the map 2 blocks down

[twilit geyser]

I’d say if it’s even decent it paid off since it seems like a fun build

[twilit geyser]

True

[dull ermine]

I’m not really into meta builds I just make what I think is fun. The reason for iron lung is it natively acquires special ammo that doesn’t need to come from hitting enemies / stacking or like ouroboros where you need to have enemies affecting you

And what’s even more stupid about ouroboros is it doesn’t pick up disrupt status effect from hunters and rogues

I’d assume the same goes for warhounds

[shy willow]

Ouroboros talent basically non existent anyway

[twilit geyser]

I’m somewhat the same way except I just make all kinds of builds period from meta to non meta to most creative as possible been playing since launch and we’ve had our fair share of broken metas from fire holster to true patriot to foundry bulwark spotter meta list goes on I’m the type of person to just want all the builds I can possibly make

Whether they are meta or not

[dull ermine]

lol that’s why my inventory is 149/150 across 3 characters 😂

[twilit geyser]

You too? 😭

[dull ermine]

If only 200 inventory space 👁️

[twilit geyser]

The ouro is a broken gun no doubt but it’s definitely not because of its talent it’s just the damage and rpm you take both of those down and people stop using the gun

Same with striker you nerf striker and people just go find another meta

That generally how division has been for years and years since release

[dull ermine]

My problem with ouroboros is people use it with strikers thinking it’s good damage but you are missing a talent. Dark winter at that point is better

It had really nice reload tho, with good mods

[tulip charm]

Huh?

[shy willow]

Well yeah people float towards the most effective builds possible

[flint wave]

yall hoarding too much

[dull ermine]

Perhaps

[shy willow]

Missing a talent but you get a stupid amount of dps

Dark winter isn't even in the same league

[twilit geyser]

Yeah it’s more so the dps and rpm the talent don’t matter when it comes to the oro

That gun and set are just that dumb to where it doesn’t matter

[flint wave]

they made ouros base stats overtuned compared to the rest of the smgs so it having no talent doesn't matter

[dull ermine]

I mean I’m not arguing I just think having a talent that’s useful is better. St Elmo and ouro have created a weird tuning for builds I’ve seen where people use it to fine tune because of crit mods

But I prefer a talent

[twilit geyser]

For example you put st Elmo attachments on some other exotics we are having a different discussion

[shy willow]

People use gun talents as a way to get more damage anyway but ouro negates the need for one

[dull ermine]

I’m still on the wave of Vector sbr unwavering, 3 mag reloads in one use of the talent

[twilit geyser]

My only hope is I hope they don’t keep going down this path of releasing guns with broken attachments damage or rpm to just throw on any build and they become broke

[dull ermine]

That does seem to be the the path, vindicator has a good talent but on a shit gun

Belongs on an M1A at the least

[flint wave]

talent dies in 5 seconds

[shy willow]

Unwavering huhhhh

[twilit geyser]

Yeah you lost me at unwavering

[shy willow]

Already broke it with vindicator

[twilit geyser]

Well that too

[shy willow]

Absolutely shit gun

[dull ermine]

lol I don’t use it as a primary talent, I swap to it when my gun in hand is empty and have 3 magic reloads and consistent handling

[shy willow]

The talent in theory isn't even bad the amp is just ass

[twilit geyser]

Vindicator was doomed before it got released

[dull ermine]

Then swap back when it’s over

[flint wave]

mop is a better backup weapon

tbh

[dull ermine]

If you’re still on the fence over unwavering wait till polarity switch comes out or guardians

[flint wave]

Followed by orbit pistol

[flint wave]

Why guardians

[dull ermine]

Because mag gets reloaded and talent gets 100% upkeep

[twilit geyser]

Cuelebre is the best shotgun in the game 😈

[shy willow]

Reload speed has a cap doesn't it

[flint wave]

Guardians doesn't reload ur mag that's golden bullet lol

[dull ermine]

Unwavering breaks the 1 sec natively

Guardians does reload your mag and buffs the fire rate if I recall

[shy willow]

Wh-

Commando is the best MMR

[acoustic coral]

If a weapon/talent needs a GE to be "good"/fun, that needs to be a disclaimer.
I had a ton of fun with my Iron Lung OD build, but it's very lacking if you don't have a good GE buff such as Golden Bullet

[twilit geyser]

Merciless is the best exotic all you need is weapon handling

[flint wave]

It buffs ur fire rate

and reload speed I think

[shy willow]

Ye

[dull ermine]

It doesn’t lol I’m giving them a time and place to use it so they can see what benefit it has to offer

You can use it regardless anywhere and still get the same effect

[acoustic coral]

Only GB has mag refill iirc

[dull ermine]

I don’t get how with the talent description it’s so poor

[flint wave]

put unwavering on a better gun then we're talking

[dull ermine]

Put it on what you want then

[shy willow]

Unwavering just isn't very good tbh

[acoustic coral]

If your time and place to see the beneift is a GE, my point still stands. I'm not recommending Iron Lung OD for general use, but GB and Guardian? Go ham

[shy willow]

Preservation, strained, optimist, flatline, etcetera

[flint wave]

Unwavering fans when they dontkill an enemy within 5 seconds🛌

[tawdry flare]

GB with bullet King

[dull ermine]

I’m confused as to what you’re on about with iron lung

[shy willow]

🧠

[flint wave]

chameleon on polarity switch

[shy willow]

Rudy's point is it's subpar

But with GEs it's a ton of fun

[tawdry flare]

With swap speed

[dull ermine]

I only suggested it for a build lol what

One build where it works, it has nothing to do with this convo

[tawdry flare]

Well you can utilise unwavering to fasten your reload

[flint wave]

average mg5 user

[tawdry flare]

AVG sleipner user

[acoustic coral]

If the time and place for a talent to shine is with GB/Guardian, then that has to be a disclaimer. That's all I said.
Just like I would never recommend the OD Iron Lung build if outside of those events.

[shy willow]

Sleipnir at home

[dull ermine]

It works outside of the global event (unwavering) . The only benefit to certain global events is mag reload … that’s it

That goes for pretty much every gun

[tawdry flare]

That's meh perfect frenzy > frenzy

[shy willow]

[flint wave]

fr fr ong?

[tawdry flare]

Akt brain explosion moment

[acoustic coral]

You're threading waters man, I keep replying to the message where you said "I'm giving them a time and place to use it so they can see what benefit it has to offer"
That time and place is a Global Event lmao

[shy willow]

Guys trust

5 pieces 5.11

Weapon handling/hsd

[acoustic coral]

With that being said, why would it even shine with Golden Bullet - you already get weapon handling from the event itself lol

[shy willow]

Regulus

And reanimated with chainkiller

[flint wave]

bighorn

[shy willow]

Will one shot everything in solo heroic

God build

[tawdry flare]

In legendary too lol

[flint wave]

Can probably use d50 and still one shot stuff solo legendsry

[tawdry flare]

I can one shot legendary dua boss with reanimated in 3 people without Achilles

[dull ermine]

I think you’re not following the context of what I was saying. I suggested polarity switch because it’s the next event. Anyways you’re right, some guns only work good with global events, in the case of what I’m saying however, unwavering works, people just don’t want to trigger the talent (and that’s all I was talking about)

[shy willow]

Sure it works but it's just impractical compared to a lot of other talents

[dull ermine]

You’re not going to get the same effect with fast hands because fast hands hits the reload cap. The best place to use unwavering is times where reloading is going to cost you, being swarmed, boss burns where you need to reduce their armor before they go immune

But yes you lose a damage talent, however you do gain more damage from reloading quicker (why weapon handling is important)

[hazy steeple]

It's important to remember that you don't actually gain damage from weapon handling related skills like reload, you just gain overall faster usage.
but it rarely overtakes a straight-up damage Talent.

[flint wave]

I just reload my gun since I don't like using guns with 5 second reloads

[hazy steeple]

it's like strained vs fast hands on most SMGs'. The gun already snap reloads so it wouldn't be as useful, overall.

[dull ermine]

Honestly I’ve gotten spoiled to the point that fast hands feels slow to me on ARs … even on smgs I notice the reload difference, but my point is try it and see if you notice it and like it

The reason the vector sbr works is because it has the shortest mag of the 3 vectors and the highest burst damage (excluding ouro). You get 3 mags in 5 seconds

Other smgs don’t have the rpm for 3 mags but you get more damage out of the 2 mags such as mpx etc,

[hazy steeple]

Using a certain spreadsheet as a reference point, the burst DPS doesn't seem that much higher than the next best, and you can justify a damage Talent on those so

[tawdry flare]

FH is pretty nice for lmgs

And shotguns after rework

[dull ermine]

rework?

[hazy steeple]

I never noticed the shotguns getting buffs, did I miss something?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah fh stacks counts pellet instead of 1 shot basically 1 shot = 8 pellet before it was 1 stack even if all pellet crit now it accounts for all

[hazy steeple]

Well that explains why I didn't notice.

[tawdry flare]

So basically for 8 round mag shotgun like super 90 you have 8*8 = 64 pellets and each pellet has chance to crit with 60% CHC = 38.4 stacks

[onyx sage]

maffs

[tawdry flare]

~154% reload speed

Takes away pain points of shotgun like super90 hell acs 12 fh is so amazing rn

[dull ermine]

That seems like a huge upgrade for shotgun builds but you lose out on pummel

But super 90 fast hands I can imagine it being super fast

[hazy steeple]

Dropping Pummel is going to be a hard sell for a lot of people, it's a really good Talent.

[dull ermine]

I never could see it working on super 90 tho

I ran optimist / flatline on my sasg

[tawdry flare]

Yeah but after they messed up pummel it is sed

[hazy steeple]

Define "messed up"?

[tawdry flare]

Well pummel procs on 3 kills but if you swap to a riot foam it resests the kill to 0 so have to get 3 kills again but I didn't swap to any other weapon

Before it was fine

[hazy steeple]

That seems like a very small issue.

[dull ermine]

That sounds like a bug but I could be wrong

[hazy steeple]

Honestly, who throws a nade when they're in the middle of a shotty rampage? The mania is half the fun!

[tawdry flare]

I meant chen launcher

[flint wave]

yea that's definitely gonna get someone killed

[hazy steeple]

I was a TechForcer back in the day for pd2, so the idea of "not shooting my shotgun" is basically sacrilegious.

[tawdry flare]

Yeah but sometimes you need to use your skill

[hazy steeple]

sounds like you need to use your shotgun more.

[flint wave]

Rivens be like: messed up? You mean working as intended?

[tawdry flare]

Have you used rock n roll shotgun after patch you need to reload +10 round each time you swap

[hazy steeple]

pfft, who uses rock+roll

[flint wave]

It did more damage overall then ouro

[hazy steeple]

sawn-off all the way.

[flint wave]

[tawdry flare]

It is 'n' not '+'

[hazy steeple]

sawn-off has higher burst than ouro, does it not?

[tawdry flare]

Broomstick to clean dust off DC all the way

[tawdry flare]

Yeah it has

[flint wave]

they nerfed rock and roll so they can give new @tawdry flare acs more attention

[acoustic coral]

I agree with this sentiment.

[wheat anchor]

Probably explains why the people who blatantly script always use it

Backup boomstick with close and personal can do a lot of damage

[flint wave]

people who script also don't reload their guns so

[wheat anchor]

That too

Always 99/infinity

[dense hound]

so are there any other talents like trauma?

[shy willow]

Ridgeway's talent I guess?

trauma isn't very good

[dense hound]

what does it do?

[dense hound]

i say otherwise but thats my opinion

[shy willow]

bleeds anyone you hit in a 15m radius

[flint wave]

Trauma only good in descent

[shy willow]

yeah trauma I've only found useful in descent and that's for the blind not the bleed

bleed is so ass

[flint wave]

sadist talent

[shy willow]

oh well yeah procs sadist

but bleed itself

[flint wave]

bleed is my favorite creeping death waster

and poison

[dense hound]

know of a more or less guaranteed way of getting it?

[shy willow]

I try not to use Scorpio on my cc foam just because it ruins creeping death

[dense hound]

is there a talent that gives posion?

[shy willow]

its only obtainable through summit

you get a project after extracting with the parts and after you do the project you get ridgeways

[hexed steppe]

dont have that problem with opportunistic 😉

[pastel shard]

Does vile work in pvp?

[modern heron]

Would 4p strike 1p sokolov and 1p overlord work well with a ouro build?

[hexed steppe]

As long as your crit is good without needing chc rolls.
I'm guessing foxs knee

[modern heron]

I have 60crit chance

[hexed steppe]

Might be better as ceska / foxes knee though
With your secondary ceska roll/watch/ceska brand bonus/oreo you should be around 57chc and can dump everything else into chd

60 using up valuable rolls/mods though, correct?

[modern heron]

Yes i have crit mods on chest mask and bp

[hexed steppe]

If you go cesk instead of soko you free up all that. This is assuming you have chc max on watch tho

Weapon damage has a low value if you're all red cores

[modern heron]

So your recommending i get a cesk chest. Im getting 96k out of my ouro

[hexed steppe]

If you plan on using foxes knee, absolutely

[modern heron]

Sweet thx ill definitely start that later when im on thx for the info

[hexed steppe]

You should be ble to hit 57 chc just with the brand/watch/oreo/1x secondary roll. Would free up mods for an additional 36%chd

Yw 🍻

[modern heron]

Sweet ill send a pic of my build later on when iv done it. Thx for the info

[urban latch]

Assuming your not only ever going to use the ouro, id recommend going 1p ceska and grupo.

And not using any exotic

[modern heron]

Because iv got striker chest mask bp and gloves so change the holster and knees?

And ill only use ouro for this build

[urban latch]

If your running the chest then an acs12 is very valuable. If your running something like obliterate instead then having something like an AR is very nice to give you an option at range when you need it.

If you really are only using ouro, then go 1p ceska and soklov

[modern heron]

Iv got a perfect roll on a lefty as my secondary

[lyric prism]

so I just had a group with someone running a Strikers tank/Momento setup in their open world (random activity) w/ a sub gun. I asked why not HF and they said HF is less powerful. ??

given HF doesn't lose a ton of dmg without its backpack, that don't hold up.

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wheat anchor]

Bruh I just realised that I unintentionally made a heartbreaker tank build yesterday for fighting keener (2nd WONY Campaign char)

[wheat anchor]

Strikers moment

[urban latch]

It's so funny to me that for so long HF was where strikers currently is where every casual player thinks it's the only build worth running

[wheat anchor]

Strikers is heavily overrated

[tulip charm]

eh

[wheat anchor]

It exists but its not a JOAT

[lyric prism]

I had a feeling I was looking at an intertube video meme so yea.

[urban latch]

I agree. It's obviously very good, one if the top builds, but still overrated by many

[tulip charm]

its more like striker works when its terribly made

[urban latch]

Anything works if your bar is set low enough

[hazy steeple]

Strikers is that build that "everyone" says is super strong and contantly hear about it from content creators on how strong it is, so they assume that it's the best thing to run, and that everything else sucks.
This server certainly hasn't helped with that situation.

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hexed steppe]

It's also really easy to build striker. So it definitely gets a lot of suggestions for new/returning players

Nego is still 😍 for me tho 💯

[lyric prism]

I flip between the two. hard choice.

[tulip charm]

Yeah HE is very flexible but a pain to farm it out. Nego requires more than one braincell to play properly. And no1 recommends running CC or Healer.

[lyric prism]

at least with ND you have to be aware of what you are shooting to maximize it vs just point and spray

[tulip charm]

😢

I need my pocket supports

[lyric prism]

I am seeing more EP cc builds in countdown now but they do not run hazpro. So many 'why are you still able to use your skills'

[tulip charm]

I only see them once in a blue moon

[hexed steppe]

Lately I havent been using dps.
Been on a forced regulus build kick. I been getting a bit better. Even hitting some fairly long range shots.

[tulip charm]

HE?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah. I've got Hf version as well. But prefer HE

[tulip charm]

oh that build

[hexed steppe]

Yeah it's pretty decent.
Was on roosevelt 4man heroic earlier and had basilisk and one of the other named hammering on the shield ... held up fine never dropping below 75%

[tulip charm]

Im starting to use that similar build but its just full red maximizing reg damage

[hexed steppe]

Above has 6red cores. Yellow picaros. Just missin vigilance to use memento

[flint wave]

sounds about natural for tier 4 bulwark

[onyx sage]

headhunter ftw

[rustic cove]

whats a good way to add survivability to a striker build

for heroic x4 directive

[patent fossil]

aim for the head more

and shuffle around when behind cover so you don't pop out of the same place

[bright raptor]

not using Cool Skills or Pistolero as one of said directives? If you're using Fog of War, pay attention to the ingame audio cues - you can hear running footsteps and more often than not shouting

[rustic cove]

yeah im trying to keep striker while maybe swapping a chest/backpack slot. I get the whole "just be better" but looking for a way to go braindead and run around mindlessly.

[patent fossil]

you could just stick some blue cores in it, maybe memento - for solo you'll still be doing enough damage to kill stuff fast

[rustic cove]

yeah we're running in a group so cant always gurantee a kill proc

ik memento is basically the default answer, but doesnt work with 4

[patent fossil]

Preservation on your weapon then with a couple of blue cores?

enemy scaling is pretty harsh on 4-player so you can't give up too much damage really

[urban latch]

What are your 4 directives and which ones are you struggling with?

[rustic cove]

we have everything on besides pistolero

[flint wave]

just running blues is OK too

pfe mods also are very low cost ways to add survivability to a build if you don't like blues

[rustic cove]

ill prob farm up some strikers and throw blue cores on them and give it a go

[hexed steppe]

Memento works in groups or solo. I've used it a lot in group play. With strikers you shouldnt be struggling for damage/kills.
Pair it with a shield and you have an easy 2 shield tiers with memento buffing its shield strength further (skill efficiency is %in all ski buckets , including skill health )

I would also suggest dropping broken armor as the directive is broken and a lot of times you cant fix the broken parts, making your survival issue that much worse.

[lyric prism]

my answer was to put a blue core on an Striker piece, did it to knees, and get a Palisade piece rolled with chc/chd. I left the blue core on it for now. running Gunner gives 20% AOK. I have to run a chc mod to get enough chc to cap for Elmo's. No, its not meta/intertube/forum approved but it was enough with good game awareness.

I like the xtra buffer of just over 1mil armor bc potato aim but you may not need it.

I run obliterate on the chest but if you are running that many directives you might consider unbreakable.

as long as you don't play bull in a china shop its easy to not get overwhelmed by mobs.

the palisade piece used to be a backpac w/ bloodsucker but I found myself letting it give me false stupidity. a head piece was enough and gave me back the Striker pack.

[rustic cove]

kk ill give it a go. this is what i was currently running rn. obliterate on chest

[lyric prism]

the AR dmg from the chest is something more but not a whole lot lost. if you have a Ceska chest I would merge Ceska/obliterate and free up a slot.

Palisade rolls blue core so you don't need to try hard to get chc/chd on the secondaries. with the blue core on your knees it should be enough.

I put it on the head piece so I can swap to Coyotes as needed.

[rustic cove]

so shoot for a pali headpiece to swap between coyotes. sound good to me. i havent gotten all the exotics yet

[muted hare]

Hey guys my settings keeps resetting is that happening to anyone else?

[lyric prism]

yea. its not a popular all red is dead setup but it helps.

but like localdeck said, get the sound queues in mind. I run w/ Fog of War to reinforce looking and watching. All the mobs wear flashlights on their chests so it helps.

this is mine.

ignore the expertise rolls on gear, just don't do it.

[lyric prism]

on PC? no. not currently.

[rustic cove]

looks good ill go for it. havent had good luck on ceska chest piece yet rip

[lyric prism]

countdown and vege on selected loot. eventually you get one.

[rustic cove]

yeah i have been lol

got god roll gloves, knees, feet holster. just not chest lol

[lyric prism]

I got one that rolled well except one stat. the other I had to bump a bit but the chest talent can be changed.

I usually aim for one with a changeable chest talent.

[rustic cove]

yeah same. its rough to get

[magic pilot]

Perfecto

[lyric prism]

I sense much headshot.

hazpro and armor regen?

[magic pilot]

Yup

The regen is nuts (with catharsis)

[lyric prism]

ya. 5%?

[flint wave]

peak trolling

[magic pilot]

Actually a good build

[magic pilot]

It's bugged for me but % regen is 3.5

[lyric prism]

watched a video of someone doing something similar in the DZ. Seemed to work if you got good aim.

[magic pilot]

Yup

[proper basalt]

should i move up to heroic countdown or should i stick with challenging till i get maxed attributes and more levels?

[lyric prism]

is the only thing that can wreck you a Elmo's shock build or is that negated so only pulse can wreck you?

[lyric prism]

if you are farming gear to get things challenge is the easiest and most on matchmake. heroic has the chance at higher rolls but not always.

[magic pilot]

If I run 3 shock mods I'm immune

Pulse or glass will still do dmg

[lyric prism]

your damage is not that super high but it doesn't exactly need to be.

still it is an interesting build. i go the parts but not setup like that.

[magic pilot]

You just need to out tank everyone else and wear them down

[dense hound]

any weapons like the Paratrooper SVD and the Scalpel combined?

[lyric prism]

Correction. the talent is call Future Perfect for the non-perfect version. Apply to any SVD.

[dense hound]

?

[lyric prism]

you asked for an SVD and Scalpel combined. Scalpel has the perfect talent called Future Perfection. the non-perfect talent is called Future Perfect and can be applied to any SVD.

I did edit after I put Dread Edict so sorry for the confusion

[dense hound]

and uh, thats not what i asked for, i could care less about the talent that i had no idea that existed, since im only using it for the attack, not to mention im pretty sure im constantly in overcharge due to the tactiction skill tree

i just want a gun that has the speed of the svd, and the high damage of the scalpel

[lyric prism]

yea that would be nice. doesn't exist.

[dense hound]

so how much damage does the dread edict do?

[lyric prism]

same base dmg 183k of a SVD.

the weapon dmg stacking mechanics adds 40% when maxed.

[dense hound]

welp guess im dropping the scalpel completley and not using a sniper

[shy willow]

Overcharge must be triggered by a talent

7 skill tiers≠overcharge

[dense hound]

hm, well i have 8 chem thrower ammo for the healing one

and usually i only have 7

[shy willow]

Probably have an ammo mod slotted in

[dense hound]

ammo mod?

for a skill?

[shy willow]

Chem launcher has mods that increase the ammo count

Same with hive charges

[dense hound]

i dont have that tho

i just have skill tier increase, and the plus one from tact

[shy willow]

OC doesn't increase the amount of charges though so idk what it is if it's not a skill mod

[hexed steppe]

repair chem starts with an extra charge compared to the offensive chem versions

[dense hound]

huh, interes

[tawdry raven]

took too many exotic components to get dttoc on my regulus

[hexed steppe]

i havent rolled mine yet, waiting for that bug that deletes shit to be cleared up

[tawdry raven]

but it only happens when u have full inventory

also didnt the fix it already?

yeah it was fixed in the feb 20th update

[hexed steppe]

nice, im not up to date then 🍻

27 rolls later 😆
thanks for the info

[blazing crystal]

should i invest into entirely 1 area (dps or tech damage for instance) or is it good to do a hybrid

[silver lark]

I would imagine in team play it's better to be specialized but for solo play it would be nice to go hybrid

[hexed steppe]

you should get together a few builds after you hit 40. most will be focused in one area, hybrids are hit and miss.

DPS - striker or negotiators dilemma
skill -highend skilldamage pieces (3 empress, 1wyvern, 12 hanna u)
crowd control- eclipse protocol.

all these have corresponding builds listed in the spreadsheet pinned in this channel. you can find it here #td2-build-advice message

[blazing crystal]

ok thx im still doing WONY im guessing DPS is best for leveling?

[hexed steppe]

yeah, just keep equipping the best you find, none of that gear will be useful after 40

[blazing crystal]

save crafting mats too besides attachments?

[hexed steppe]

yeah, just let stuff build up and decon the gear youre swapping out

[covert meadow]

Wasup @hexed steppe mannn... 🙂

[hexed steppe]

whats good

[covert meadow]

I found fire tonight lol

[hexed steppe]

eclipse?

[covert meadow]

I set up a eclipse protocol build

[hexed steppe]

nice

[covert meadow]

Yes sir...

I had no idea

That thing is vicious

[hexed steppe]

yeah its a great set. on higher level stuff its also useful as a crowd control build with foam, scorpio, emp/fire sticky

youre using the ep bag for fire though, right

[covert meadow]

The sheet says to use Everlast glaze primary, didn't have that so used Pyromaniac with Scorpio and Firestarter

[hexed steppe]

yeah eg kinda mid on eclipse. it only boosts initial application from your skill, not the spread after death though

[covert meadow]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=8f1fc875-172a-9331-f92e-fe314f1772f5&noteKey=dc56508e8364ba0de3919f877c42afe8&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2F8f1fc875-172a-9331-f92e-fe314f1772f5%2Fdc56508e8364ba0de3919f877c42afe8&title=Eclipse%2BProtocol%2B%2528Y5%2BS2%2529

That 1

The yellows I made all status effect

[hexed steppe]

fire really benefits from capacitor and ep bag. setup like the first image and youll see like 500k fire chem ticks and 750k burn sticky ticks

[covert meadow]

Wow really ok, tommrow I'll change it, only thing though, I have shotgun but not like that in the pic

I have a couple leftys, and rock n roll, a super 90 marine

But everything is exact in that pic

The burn Pic I didn't have the cc pieces

[hexed steppe]

just make sure capacitor is stacked before you fire the sticky or chem. they both snapshot your skill damage at the time of application.
i use the insync mop as a backup shotgun since it has armor on kill.
whatever weapons you use make sure they have damage to armor. fire will be boosted by dta

[covert meadow]

Oh I think I have mop to, and yeah I'm still trying to get an understanding of stacking, that's the image that floats underneath the ammo, I wait to it feels up?

[hexed steppe]

itll be a little half circle right next to your sight. if it isnt stacked thats when you swap and use the insync weapon. itll be an instant 30% skill damage for 1 tapping an npc right before firing skill

[covert meadow]

Oh wow yeah I'll have to take that in the range forsure ty for letting me know 👍

But man I was just running around burning everything lol, that demo is fun to But tbh I like that fire more

I got bodied a couple times, cause I got in to close, it took on a control point on heroic and I was surprised I maintained it

[hexed steppe]

wait till you goto summit with it and use a jammer pulse in a drone ambush.. you might possibly wet yourself 💦

[covert meadow]

Ha

Mosdefintly noted 😂

[slate ruin]

what’s a good build to try and farming for a returning player?

[tulip charm]

Check build spreadsheet in pinned comment

[slate ruin]

ty

[silk plaza]

Looking for a tank build for a solo player that can work both as solo and group for PVE

[wise swallow]

a solo tank builds sounds really useless

[shy willow]

It is

[silk plaza]

Juggernaut might be a more accurate moniker

[wise swallow]

blue striker is the only build that is somewhat effective fitting a "solo tank/juggernaut" description

[rich cosmos]

Heartbreaker

[silver lark]

are there any rifles/marksman rifles/etc that have good accuracy while moving? (secondary weapon for a HSD build)

[lyric prism]

UH

[silver lark]

maybe the 1886?

[silk plaza]

Appreciate all the feedback

[novel cosmos]

I have a Determined White Death build that's been decent getting 26 mil dmg at best, what can I change on it? I have a few M700's as well that I'm planning on using

[shy willow]

Replace sawyers

[tawdry flare]

Basically M700 carbon does more DMG than wd and has more QOL

[shy willow]

With another hotshot piece

[tawdry flare]

Sawyers are fine tbh

[shy willow]

You lose some damage and you gotta sit for 10 secs it's not bad at all it's probably just more QOL with 4 hotshot

[novel cosmos]

Is the SR-1 good as well? Got one with 97% HS, DTA and Determined already

[shy willow]

I only see sawyer on iron horse really

[shy willow]

I hear it is

[novel cosmos]

Ooh I just found this one in my stash, just gonna swap the talent

So do I get another Hotshot piece or do I keep Sawyer's or replace with something else?

[dreamy valve]

https://youtu.be/fiOArPNR1VU?si=h0dRBFP7GysPSIG4

[novel cosmos]

Ah, I still don't have the Nemesis yet, haven't done any project yet

That's on my to do list

[bleak siren]

Does OD grant any hp bullets for a bullet king
tested: gives 100 hp bullets

[hazy steeple]

IIRC the "mag size" of the BK is 100 bullets, even though it is practically infinite.

[hazy steeple]

Is that your channel?

[dreamy valve]

Nope, just a youtuber I follow

No 10 minute click bait videos like the rest, just pure gameplay

[hazy steeple]

The title is a little click-bait, but I haven't seen it so I won't judge.

[maiden epoch]

Does Electrique + Ninja MEssenger Backpack Ouroboros beats Striker DPS wise ? Is the 30% SMG stonger then Striker Backpack and 15% ROF ?

[hazy steeple]

If the question is "does Ninja beat..." then the answer is likely to be no.
If the question is "does Ninja beat Striker?" the answer is almost certainly no.

remember that "base weapon damage" (like on Sokolov/Badger/Airaldi, etc) are not actually the amount they state, and they only go off weapon damage before red cores are applied.

[maiden epoch]

Is weapon damage additve and the other multiplicative?

[tawdry flare]

The thing is 30% smg DMG is basically equivalent to two red cores for smg while striker stacks are multiplicative