td2-build-advice

[rich lotus]

I usually play solo-duo so Idk about 4man team

Same

[limpid pelican]

nah it unfortunately doesnt 1 shot in 4 mans

[rich lotus]

But it wouldn't be far off from a dedicated rifle build in a 4man either thats my point

Unless full red ig

[urban latch]

Check out the high end DPS build in the pinned spreadsheet

[limpid pelican]

gotcha, yeah im a huge fan of the rof on it. tac 308 is really inaccurate as well in comparison iirc

[rich lotus]

Thats what I was gonna say too tbh

[rocky rain]

And when I have applied the status effect, does that on itself demolish the robot or do I then have to it shoot it as well?

[rich lotus]

Depends on skill damage

And skill tiers

If you have no skill damage or skill tiers you will only disrupt and still have to shoot it to damage

[rocky rain]

Tier 1 and now added some skill dmg.

Not so easy..

[rocky rain]

How do I get a stronghold to be invaded?

[acoustic coral]

Each invasion has 5 mission. 3 Regular invaded missions, 1 stronghold (DUA/Capitol/Roosevelt) and then Tidal Basin

[shy willow]

You don't

It's on a weekly rotation with tidal basin being permanently invaded

Before WT5 I believe the order is fixed though

[lunar spindle]

does first blood proc in pvp?

[stiff jasper]

No

[acoustic coral]

@urban latch Been thinking, to proper mark builds as updated on the spreadsheet, shouldn't it be listed under TU20 or Y5 S3, as Resolve and those names go hand in hand, not Y5 S2

[waxen herald]

Striker Chestpiece with Striker Backpack, or Obliterate Chest with Striker Backpack?

[urban latch]

Yeah... Whoops. I did update everything for the current season, but tbh the change to calling it years and seasons threw me off lol

[acoustic coral]

Haha, all good, just wanted to note and ask ^^

[rocky rain]

If you get a Blueprint (eg after CP), do you always get one you don’t already have?

[hazy steeple]

Yep, there's a limited pool too so you will eventually get them all.

You can check your Crafting Table to see what you're still missing.

[rocky rain]

Thanks, been clearing CPs whole days.. I need some specific ones for Optimization

[rich lotus]

Depends on weapons you're using and how often you'll be using striker chest piece to at least +50% so at 150+ stacks

[waxen herald]

I use either F2K or Elmos

Also use a full auto shotty

The Lefty iirc

[rich lotus]

It's only worth to use striker chest piece if you can manage to always have stacks above 150 otherwise you'll get more value by just using ob chest

[rich lotus]

Then you should be fine

[waxen herald]

Oh so its not good in content where you easily delete enemies then

[rich lotus]

Pretty much

It's good for tanky elements that takes a lot to kill

[waxen herald]

Basically non solo content then

[rich lotus]

Very rarely I use striker chest tbh I go perfect glass cannon which deals almost the same damage as a striker chest at 200 stacks

At the cost of 60% damage to self ofc

[rich lotus]

think striker chest at full stack only deals like 100-200k more than perfect glass cannon

[waxen herald]

I'll play around with all 3

PGC might work since you don't always have aggro on you in groups

[rich lotus]

Just watchout though if you do play with glass cannon you need to know your ins and outs on cover play, it's as if you have no armor lol 1 bullet and your entire armor disappears

[rich lotus]

I find it perfect in dh, legendary content it could work but gotta be extra careful

[rich lotus]

It's what I do pretty much I'm always hotswapping gear depending on area

[waxen herald]

Rn I'm using Obliterate Chest with Gunner and that 1 piece that gives AOK (not Deathgrips)

So like 20% AOK

[rich lotus]

I have a Gruppo Obliterate and I use it too

Pretty nice

[waxen herald]

I got a Grupo and a Ceska

[hexed steppe]

Oblit much safer. If it's the only source of twd on the build it acts like an amp, just with short ramp up

[waxen herald]

Depends on weapon, watch level is only 400 and it sucks that F2K is missing a mod slot

[rich lotus]

Indeed I just rather melt things away sometimes

What is dead can't hurt you no longer ofc that only counts for some stuff not the whole game

[rich lotus]

True

[flint wave]

Glass cannon copium

[rich lotus]

Like I said perfect glass cannon is amazing for dark hours, you rarely get shot and you get to dump a lot on anything

[hexed steppe]

I think I use pgc on skill way more than on dps.

[rich lotus]

I guess I am a glazer for it

[flint wave]

striker chest is perfect for razorback

and the weird plane boss

[rich lotus]

Then there's me 1200 levels in shd and I still ahve no skill build

[flint wave]

and buddy and lucy

[rich lotus]

Except razorback drone

[waxen herald]

F2K only beats FAMAS for that extra 10 ammo yeah?

[flint wave]

same

[hexed steppe]

Should check out unicorn mortar build 😅

[tulip charm]

Mortar best skill builld

[rich lotus]

I haven't even searched any honestly

I find skill builds to kill the point of the game for me in a way

Eventhough it looks good for end game farming

[hexed steppe]

They can be interesting. Cc eclipse builds probably the most satisfying for group stuff, imho.

For me dps gets old, especially at 6200+ hrs 💀

[rich lotus]

I honestly wouldn't use f2k over famas unless shield splint lol I just like famas looks way more

[rich lotus]

Oh yeah no dps does get boring

[flint wave]

Not for me

[rich lotus]

Thats why I have a variety of dps tank and support

[flint wave]

elmo

[waxen herald]

I use Shield Splint yeah

[rich lotus]

Ew elmo

[waxen herald]

Had to get the masks for it lol

[shy willow]

When im not playing dps I wish I was playing dps

[rich lotus]

I forgot it was even locked behind the hunters

[shy willow]

But when im playing dps I wish I was support

[rich lotus]

Ngl eventhough I love dps sometimes playing support feels v nice

[waxen herald]

Got it god rolled from the chest, just had to change the DTA to DTOOC

[rich lotus]

ME LLMAODJW

[flint wave]

Then you play support with trash can teammates and the cycle continues

[rich lotus]

Specially when there's a support already and the person is clueless or isn't fast enough

[flint wave]

Or there's already 2 supports

[shy willow]

This is me when incursion

[hexed steppe]

I'll Hh/skill more often than dps. I just bust out dps when the group doesnt have any or just needs to be carried

[waxen herald]

I gotta get Doctor Home for my Future Initiative build

[shy willow]

Its like theyre shit at their job but if I do it for them then we aint clearing cuz all the Dps vanishes

[rich lotus]

Doing summit and I see 3 people running skill builds I just instantly leave tbh

What they do in 3 hours I do in 10m with a sniper build

And they don't swap to other things to at least make it easier for me to carry it faster

[hazy steeple]

Bragging aside, the issue with running Skill builds in Summit is that you are losing out on 2 free Directives.

[waxen herald]

Hot Shot SR-1 is fun ngl

[rich lotus]

Well

You still can manage it with a sniper build and gunner

Ofc fully optimized

[hazy steeple]

Wait sniper build using gunner?

Whatever floats your goat.

[hexed steppe]

Nobody running coolskills or scavenged on dps anyways. Shield/revive the norm, and gets jacked up just as easily as the other skills

[flint wave]

10% aok

[rich lotus]

It works

Ofc nemesis only

[waxen herald]

What's the best way to farm field recal? DZ zones or CP's?

[hazy steeple]

I actually always run both on my DPS, but then again to be fair I also hate people ingame so not running reviver hive.

[shy willow]

Ill run cool skills and just refrain from using the shield unless my hive goes out

[flint wave]

cool skills but using revive hive wtfman

[shy willow]

Yah I only pull out the shield when its down

[rich lotus]

Summit floor 10 completion for me

Kill 3 waves + boss, death and repeat

[waxen herald]

How does that work?

[flint wave]

that sounds more fun then striker drone every 4 floors

[hazy steeple]

Or you could do anything else and have more fun.

[flint wave]

Like wony run

[shy willow]

Clear, wipe, rinse and repeat

[hexed steppe]

Your still get the FRD even tho they nerfed the xp

[waxen herald]

How much FRD does boss drop?

[rich lotus]

Having fun farming on div2?

I wish

[flint wave]

countdown is fun

[rich lotus]

Anything farm related and I want to rip my skull out

[rich lotus]

Up to 3 matches

[hazy steeple]

Variety is the spice of life.

[rich lotus]

4

[shy willow]

😬

[rich lotus]

Its not the boss its floor completion

[flint wave]

up to like 15 for me or 1 too many games with trashbehind teammates

[hazy steeple]

I love that it's in the censor list, trips so many people up.

[rich lotus]

I would have less issues with countdown if it was only a bit faster to repeat it

[flint wave]

Why tbh

brainrot isn't in the censor list

[hexed steppe]

Directives in summit kinda meh now anyways. When you could farm f10 was totally worth. But regular floor xp is almost non existent. if just doing summit for target loot, you'll have better returns in cd. Obv farming for bighorn is a separate case to the above statement.

[hazy steeple]

We didn't make the list, that's all on the auto-mod.

it's like how you can't name a gearset Rigger ingame. Or couldn't.

[rich lotus]

Discord auto mod is popo

[flint wave]

braindead

[rich lotus]

I had to remove some words manually because it made no sense lol

[flint wave]

lol guess don't space it

[rich lotus]

Even with security at lowest

[hazy steeple]

Just a fair warning, too many in a short period of time will trigger an auto-ban.

we've had people get stung by that on here before when they were "testing it out".

fair enough honestly.

[flint wave]

someone triggered it twice within like 5 seconds so it can't be that low

[shy willow]

Played stupid games and won stupid prizes

[hazy steeple]

I can see the logs, it's low.

[waxen herald]

Wait, Shield Splint is stronger than a FAMAS with Strained?

[dull ermine]

Is explosive resistance on a tank build worth it over armor regen attributes? Trying to make a build but debating between armor regen and explosive resistance. Looking to make one that is universal to all tanking needs as I’ve heard legendary manning or tidal have mortars

[hazy steeple]

About on-par with it, just about a tiny bit stronger IIRC.
but this is like single digit % stronger.

[flint wave]

you mean an f2k with strained

who cares about famas lol lma9

[hazy steeple]

Famas has mod slots.

[shy willow]

Muh chc

[hazy steeple]

f2k has, idk, the ability to look like a knock-off nerf gun.

[shy willow]

I wish it didn’t look like a boat

[flint wave]

true

[hazy steeple]

I had a cheap water pistol when I was a kid, looked exactly like the f2k.

[rich lotus]

Regen if you're making it universal

[flint wave]

That's a big pistol

[hazy steeple]

its kinda one of those half words here, where we don't really use either term.
"water gun" most of the time, but even then.

[shy willow]

I think my old nerf centurion is still lying around here somewhere

[waxen herald]

Idk if I want to spend hours grinding for a F2K with Strained and DTOC

[flint wave]

Is that on the auto mod too

[hazy steeple]

You don't need to, just use any of the "good ones" that don't suck.

[shy willow]

Anything you already have will work

[waxen herald]

I've the Shield Splint and Strained FAMAS

[hazy steeple]

strained famas is still amazing.

[dull ermine]

So is explosive resistance used for anything? I noticed they added a couple pieces of gear that are specific to explosives

[shy willow]

Both are excellent

[hazy steeple]

I still love my c7 w/strained. That thing is a laser beam.

[shy willow]

I think shield splint has the edge in PvP but im not sure abt pve

[flint wave]

elmo at home:

[hazy steeple]

its like the sun, a deadly laser.

[rich lotus]

Depends I know some people that much prefer regen over explosive resis

[rich lotus]

I grew hatred on the elmo it destroyed pvp when it launched and ever since it left a sting on me

[hazy steeple]

boo that no one remembers that. boo.

[flint wave]

I remember it

[rich lotus]

Not anymore there's a blanket

[shy willow]

What am I missing

[flint wave]

science

[tulip charm]

Leg and morozova ig

[rich lotus]

history of the entire world bill wurtz

20m of pure comedic history content that you won't remember anything about after watching it

[magic pilot]

It does always comparing to famas but yes in PvP it does more

[dull ermine]

Alright I’ll look into running that

I have emperors guards with explosive resistance and yaahl chest with vanguard rolled explosive resistance and haz pro. Can only reroll the haz pro

[rich lotus]

Famas with measured is my forever love

Hearing that spray at the start is just something else

[magic pilot]

That's just ridiculous

[rich lotus]

Give me your emperors

[dull ermine]

It’s not useless? 👁️ with explosive resistance?

I bought it at the dz when it was at the vendor a while back

[magic pilot]

Tbh I think explosive resistance is useless solely because of demo and sawyers

[rich lotus]

I just need one for the 1% regen

I wanna play around it

[magic pilot]

And there's a hard cap on explosive resistance

[magic pilot]

Descent

[rich lotus]

I wanna try making a full regen build

Just missing emperors had no luck in dz and caches keep giving me the same random items

[dull ermine]

How much?

[waxen herald]

What's a unicorn?

[dull ermine]

It has a native attribute that makes it difficult to farm

[waxen herald]

Oh like double reds on a Palisade?

[dull ermine]

ie Golan which was previously used for status builds but now u have that one brand idk what it’s called

[dull ermine]

Yes but the armor on kill can be used on any kind of core

Works best on red because you get it faster but you get less of it

[waxen herald]

So double red Palisde chest with Obliterate is a Unicorn then?

[dull ermine]

Id suppose so

[glossy scarab]

yeah thats a uni

[dull ermine]

Unicorns ik of are grupo yellow, fox prayers yellow, emperors guards blue

[magic pilot]

Don't remember, 60-80

[dull ermine]

Golan yellow gc

[magic pilot]

I think

[dull ermine]

And providence yellow

[rich lotus]

I didn't even know that

Some things made a lot more sense now

[magic pilot]

Unicorn is usually considered a chest or backpack that you want to change the core attribute on

Because it means the 2 attributes and talent are RNG

This Habsburg chest is a unicorn because it drops with a blue core

[waxen herald]

How much HSD was 1 piece Airaldi again? 10%?

Oh no, that was Providence

[waxen herald]

This better than Chainkiller?

[magic pilot]

Depends on the use cases

[waxen herald]

Hotshot Sniper with that talent where you can headshot to the body

[glossy scarab]

ideally you want 2 habs to get the 20% mmr dmg

[magic pilot]

Not really needed unless you are playing legendary

[waxen herald]

Ah so Habs Chest and Backpack then

[glossy scarab]

yep

[magic pilot]

Yes

Well I'm gonna go sell my soul to descent again

[waxen herald]

I'm using Chainkiller with Airaldi Back with Vigilance

Or 25% damage when you take no damage

[glossy scarab]

thats effectively just as good in most circumstances

[waxen herald]

I cant OHKO with it in Heroic Countdown tho, enemy needs to be missing like, 3-4 bars for me to oneshot

[onyx sage]

don't do hh in countdown

[waxen herald]

I do like, 32 million HSD with my SR-1

[onyx sage]

they have too much health to one-shot

[waxen herald]

Oh so that's normal then, thought my build was just trash

Countdown enemies have the most HP cus of 8 players yeah?

[tawdry flare]

They scale to 8 players even in solo

[waxen herald]

Even more HP than Legendary enemies?

[dull ermine]

It’s been said they’re kind of in between

More like raid health to me

It’s the named enemies that are the tricky ones

[onyx sage]

yes

legendary you can one shot easily even before the recent mmr buffs

[waxen herald]

Sounds fun

I gotta get that Habsburg gear, idk why they made it blue core tho

[onyx sage]

to make you spend more time farming it

there's no other reason

[lyric prism]

Unicorn or I gave my soul away

[waxen herald]

I prefer SR-1 over M700 and WD ngl, looks better to me

[shy willow]

White dead

[waxen herald]

Also, doesn't the SR-1 do more than WD now cus of the damage buff?

[lyric prism]

full rolls on the drop, never changed.

[shy willow]

A lot of snipers do

[waxen herald]

Thank God, cus I hated the WD's reload

[lyric prism]

M44 is 423k SR-1 is 464k, 700 is 499k all base.

[waxen herald]

Noice

[lyric prism]

oh yea, no doubt, why I never used them except when needed. I always used a Covert SRS

[glossy scarab]

covert got a decent buff too

[lyric prism]

yea its at 440k. I got a well rolled M700 wood now so all I use really

the reload being what it is I got used to it.

[glossy scarab]

yep

[waxen herald]

Thank God for Determined

[lyric prism]

if you can live with the 30 base loss an SR-1 is a good shooter or Tactical M700/Carbon.

[magic pilot]

Nemesis in 26 min flat sheesh

[lyric prism]

first loop?

[magic pilot]

Wym

[lyric prism]

did you push to get Nemesis on a single loop?

[magic pilot]

You can't get him on loop 1

Loop 4

[lyric prism]

so it was a bug.

[magic pilot]

25% per loop

I haven't heard that lol

[lyric prism]

that seemed right. someone reported a bug where they got him on loop one.

[magic pilot]

I wish lol

One loop is like 6 min

This rotation has lady death and it's built for shotguns essentially

[waxen herald]

I'm still waiting for them to fix Mantis

[shy willow]

Its broken?

[waxen herald]

Yup, Marker doesn't pop up

[lyric prism]

the one saying you are being targeted?

[waxen herald]

Neither Marker yeah

[lyric prism]

thats...annoying.

[magic pilot]

It bothers me that when mp7 is on your back the stock is extended

[shy willow]

It bothers me that rogues get sling bags and we dont

[waxen herald]

Very much so, idk how it compares to SR-1 and M700, but the Marker made it easier to snipe imo

[lyric prism]

I have potato aim so it helped me.

but the SR-1 is relatively flat with a single stability mod.

there is no real kick for good followup.

[waxen herald]

Sniping in Countdown is hell ngl

[lyric prism]

depending on your lag, hit registration and whether the Hyena taught his dance moves to the target.

[waxen herald]

At least, headshot sniping

[lyric prism]

I don't bother unless I'm in a read mood.

i usually just do the usual staple - lmg or AR.

[waxen herald]

Whats Mantis base damage?

[lyric prism]

385k

[waxen herald]

The Amp is 50% yeah? And that's multiplicative?

[lyric prism]

50% ya. Amped is multiplicative with its own math ya

[waxen herald]

The moment they fix it, switching back to Mantis lol

[lyric prism]

does all calcs, does the amped damage on top of whatever you got.

yea its a fun gun to use when you get good setup.

[magic pilot]

Used to be easy with tots

I would one shot hunters lol

[waxen herald]

It's not that, it's your damn teammates making enemies flinch everywhere lol

[magic pilot]

Eh

[shy willow]

Rest in pieces tots

[waxen herald]

Tots?

[lyric prism]

i so want to use it with the grenade launcher but the damage is just eh

[magic pilot]

Tip of the spear

Nerfed into the ground

[lyric prism]

the tip of the spear met the mom safety squad so its a Nerf foam dart now.

[magic pilot]

Nerf battle axe

[lyric prism]

so I got a Bighorn the other night in DUA. I know its not SEE bc the shock ammo is valuable used right but it just is so much more fun to shoot.

[dull ermine]

Bighorn? The recoil is so strong 🥲

[lyric prism]

not that I've noticed, least not on PC.

[waxen herald]

There's a specific way to use Elmo?

[lyric prism]

more like a 'better in situation' way. 70 rounds of shock ammo can stop a group of rushers pretty quick.

blip change target, blip, change target.

[dull ermine]

I’ve seen most people use it for the mods it has otherwise I’m not too impressed with the talent, going through 2-3 mags before you can use the talent that lasts like 1 second per enemy shot

I don’t think the ammo even refreshes status effects

[waxen herald]

Great vs. Rogues in groups tho

Fucking 100 meter range axe swing asshats

[dull ermine]

For sure but I mostly just foam or blind and vector them to the head

[lyric prism]

refresh? no. its useful for quick crowd control and nothing more with the shock ammo. SEE is good for the mods it has in my view.

20 chc/chd makes a build much more powerful and easier to do.

[tawdry flare]

You called me

[dull ermine]

If I recall if someone’s running ongoing it messes with your stacks

[lyric prism]

I have not noticed but didn't look when running ND/SEE

it should not given one is a mark and one is a status effect.

[waxen herald]

Is ND even still good?

[lyric prism]

very.

shooting a single target and kill 2-4 others? I'll take that.

[waxen herald]

Do they drop Memento stacks? The marked killed enemies

[lyric prism]

yes

[waxen herald]

Hmm, sounds fun

I'll try it out

[lyric prism]

as to stacks it messes with OD bc of the ammo you get. either get blood or shock, over write will happen. I think you meant OD.

[waxen herald]

I wish we had better backpack skills for DPS ngl

Today it's either Memento, Vigilance, or uhhhh

Bloodsucking? I guess?

[lyric prism]

Bloodsucker is good. I tend to use Composure when alone.

[rich cosmos]

I mean, there are quite a lot

It also depends on what your using

[waxen herald]

Gun DPS, outside of Striker

Cus using Memento in multi is kinda a hassle

[lyric prism]

outside of Striker? yea Composure/Vigilance.

I prefer Composure bc this game makes sure you get shot.

[waxen herald]

Composure was damage increase while in cover yeah?

[lyric prism]

no

it just makes sure you are engaged as a target. Have you even noticed the 'random stray' bullets in a fight?

[rich cosmos]

Im assuming double companion isn’t as good anymore right

[dull ermine]

obliterate is now even better

doesn't have any requirement to be near anyone

[lyric prism]

double companion I think got nerfed/fixed.

[dull ermine]

how so

[waxen herald]

It is Composure

Also, why did they do white on pink

[rich cosmos]

Because it’s cute

[dull ermine]

the spreadsheet is under maintenence

[rich cosmos]

What was the fix again?

[waxen herald]

I'll take Composure with ND build then

[lyric prism]

don't remember it was in a patch note before TU20 I thought. Have to look, might be wrong

[glossy scarab]

no i remember that

[magic pilot]

Double companion used to proc twice

[rich cosmos]

Oh

[lyric prism]

ND use the pack.

[magic pilot]

Giving you essentially 4 companion bonuses

It would out perform striker bp

[rich cosmos]

The chest companion talent was only for a named item right?

[glossy scarab]

yeah

[rich cosmos]

Weird

[glossy scarab]

henri

[magic pilot]

It's still on the chest

[dull ermine]

so now only one works?

[magic pilot]

That didn't change

No you can use both together it's just weaker than using obliterate and vigi

[glossy scarab]

nice

[magic pilot]

Crafted

[glossy scarab]

nice. max chc

[dull ermine]

if they were to change the brand bonuses for some of these unicorns would it be op?

[glossy scarab]

yeah probably

[magic pilot]

Depends

If Henri had 10% chc it still wouldn't be that good

[granite girder]

primary wepon is still a balck sheep since i dont realy know what to bring, this is for pure pvp

[lyric prism]

pvp conflict or DZ?

[granite girder]

both

but mostly conflict

[urban latch]

This is going to get stomped in pvp...

The fire sticky can be good, but it's mainly used on a dedicated status build. The drone will do little to nothing. Your running skill tiers which are doing little to nothing, and running ninjabike to get +1 from Picaros and 15% CHD from soklov, but that's not anything close to what your giving up to run it. The chest is also a waste, just run a useful brandset with unbreakable, not the perfect version

[granite girder]

explosive sticky

[urban latch]

Capacitor is solid in pve, but it's not a good pvp weapon. Vector is just a drastically inferior ouroboros, your better off running an AR if you don't have ouro

Generally the best sticky to use is emp, explosive sticky isn't going to do much

And skill tiers won't matter with eml sticky

[granite girder]

elmos then ?

[urban latch]

Elmo's is solid, although not as good as it was on the previous patch because other things got buffed

[granite girder]

well i dont have the eagle so thats the best i got currently

still no fucking idea how eagle bearer wasnt nerfed yet for pvp

[urban latch]

It literally just got buffed in the latest patch lol

[granite girder]

-_-

[waxen herald]

Ngl I'd rather farm it in DZ than do raids

Then again, I have no raid friends

[urban latch]

It's personal preference what we all find enjoyable, but imo the raids are the best things in this game

[tawdry flare]

Farming it in dh is way easier

[tulip charm]

Theres no harm in joining the subreddit discord and joining an dh raid

[tawdry flare]

New discord?

[tulip charm]

Reddit

[granite girder]

wouldnt efficent be better then unbreakable ?

[urban latch]

Old discord

It predates this one from div 1 lol

[waxen herald]

Can't you only do the raid once a week?

[urban latch]

As many times as you want

[tulip charm]

Weekly clear reward is once a week

[waxen herald]

Wait is it a drop or was it the keys? It's been a minute

[tulip charm]

the what

[waxen herald]

Like, keys in the DH raid or something

[tawdry flare]

Keys are once a week.

But the chance to drop eb is 1% from bosses

If I am not wrong

[urban latch]

From bosses it's near 0%, like just don't even expect it. It'll come from the box, and the majority of regular raiders all have the exotics, so they are happy to share with people who don't have it yet

[tawdry flare]

You mean to say the chance doesn't exist ?

Or is it 0% cause of amazing luck

[urban latch]

It's much closer to 0% than 1%. It can happen, but players with thousands of clears will be amazed to see it drop when it happens

[tawdry flare]

Higher than dz

[urban latch]

I've seen it twice in roughly 2k total clears.

[waxen herald]

Wait so the keys only drop once a week then

[tawdry flare]

You can get final key as many times as morozova ?

[urban latch]

The final boss will drop every time, so you can get 1 box open per week, then another 5 runs in that week (or keys saved up from multiple weeks) can open again.

Like for context the incursion has an actual 1% chance to drop ouro and I've gotten ouros plenty of times in a couple hundred clears.

[waxen herald]

So you need 5 keys to open box, boss drops 1 key always?

So kill boss 5 times so you can open next week?

I'll probably just look up a video

[dull ermine]

Yes

[tawdry flare]

You can open same day 2 times if you run it 6 times

[dull ermine]

Otherwise run through and grab keys each week .. can repeat across characters

So in total you can get 15 keys per week for 3 chances without farming the boss

Or 20 if you are not using ur 4th as a mule

[waxen herald]

I've only 1 character

Ehhhhh

[dull ermine]

U can make another, run it through, dump your build etc

[waxen herald]

Ah yeah, armor is shared across character yeah?

I'd have to level to 40 tho

[tulip charm]

yeah

[waxen herald]

The boost is a 1 time thing as well yeah?

[dull ermine]

Per character

U can delete them and get the boost

It just skips base game it doesn’t break it

[upper patrol]

apparently 10-13M is not enough for Control points 4 and Heroic, how much do i need to one shot them?

[vestal ibex]

Solo?

[upper patrol]

y

[tawdry flare]

Only for bosses

Elites have 9.8mil hp

[vestal ibex]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQ-OZyQRHd6TskSbeE9tn2jMdn9eLIe9Fsm5CjD7A_EUwUKPdo_VO_ug7aOMdH3hhnw0pE8GGs_LnPl/pubhtml#

[upper patrol]

hm maybe it's elites with face mask?

[vestal ibex]

Yeah helmets get hit

[upper patrol]

so if i hit a elite with helmet i will need to score an HS again

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[vestal ibex]

Their head is protected by the helmet so it'll take the shot and destroy it so just shoot em in the face then.

[tawdry flare]

If you are not using determined you can one shot them on body

[waxen herald]

This a sniper build?

[upper patrol]

1886 w/ determined

[waxen herald]

1886? The rifle?

Haven't heard of that gun in a minute

[upper patrol]

idk i was looking for something that hits hard but does not have a sniper scope

if you pitch me something better i will try that out 😄

[waxen herald]

Man's cosplaying as a civil war vet

[upper patrol]

LOOOOL

[acoustic coral]

I mean true tho, just need to run the revolver rather than diceros and he's golden

[vestal ibex]

Anything can be a sniper build with HH and a sniper somewhere in it.

[waxen herald]

Don't the devs like, hate rifles?

[vestal ibex]

It feels like it lol

[urban latch]

I have no idea why they have gearsets for each weapon class except none for rifles

[upper patrol]

well i can try something out, what is good for this kind of build for solo CP?

[vestal ibex]

Solo cp determined HH?

[upper patrol]

the set?

But what about the weapon, what is a good one to use?

[vestal ibex]

I mean if you are solo it's not hard to hit those breakpoints. Most snipers have like 25% more base damage than the 1886.

If you don't wanna reload use 4 pc hotshot. If you want HUGE damage use vigilance on your backpack and 2-3 pcs of hotshot.

[acoustic coral]

4pc hotshot so goated for 5D Heroic, just stand in cover for a sec with sharpshooter on and you're golden

[vestal ibex]

Yeah that stability is good and I recommend it but it's not needed.

[upper patrol]

Any sniper? or is there a BiS named or exotic?

[hazy steeple]

High base damage is the most important part here, so anything that does tons of damage by itself.

sr1/m700/m44, you pick.

[vestal ibex]

The overtuned snipers in the last update so you can pick from tons

[upper patrol]

alright will try that set

[tawdry flare]

Best for hc

[vestal ibex]

Just keep in mind the 2-3 pc bonuses from Hotshot are why it gets use and is BIS the 4 set isn't needed unless you want the QOL from it.

[tawdry flare]

QOL

[hazy steeple]

Just make sure that your MMR is reaching 100% stability using mods and such. (you can check in the stats menu)

tl;dr it means your shots won't miss unless you miss the shot. no sway, no drop.

[upper patrol]

MMR ?

[hazy steeple]

you can even blind-fire using one and it'll still 1-hit kill once determined is procced. its hilarious.

mmr = marksman rifle. (sniper)

[upper patrol]

oh ok got it

[vestal ibex]

Yeah the HH MMR stuff is so OP you can roll for stability if you want, I personally run mine like that but you have TONS of freedom to build it however you want as long as you hit your breakpoints and kill with ease.

[hazy steeple]

I also like to bring a sawn-off secondary to deal with hyena rushers who get too close with that helmet on.

bonus points if you use it with the murica skin and wear a cowboy hat.

[vestal ibex]

DCH for me. Just body them fools.

[flint wave]

tfw headhunter doesn't benefit much from bonus headshot damage

[acoustic coral]

I personally got 71% stability with White Death equipped (still fishing for a good SR-1/M700), but it's very much up to what you wanna do. 100% isn't necessary.

[hazy steeple]

The point of 100% isn't to reduce the sway, it's to remove it entirely so you are 100% accurate on every shot.

Actually my current build doesn't even use the omega suppressor and instead a 10% loudener, since I have some WH on.

[vestal ibex]

The point of 100% stability is so you can crack and kill chungas on morazova right when they spawn and teleport the key to the key tank.

[acoustic coral]

Not like I need 100% stability for determined anyways

[hazy steeple]

nah its to blind-fire with an m700 like you're a way too accurate drunk cowboy.

you know that bit from buster scruggs where he shoots the guy upsidedown and backwards? that.

[vestal ibex]

Put it down sir. I tell people about it but don't personally use it myself anymore. It'll make you a worse player in the end.

[flint wave]

using mmrs makes you a sadder player in the end

[acoustic coral]

Sir, I think you need to lay down the copium.

[magic pilot]

They are scared they will be strong again lol

[vestal ibex]

My man needs a mouse and keyboard in his life.

[flint wave]

Me waiting for heartbreaker to be the dedicated LMG set(not gonna happen)

[hazy steeple]

The day we get a rifle gearset is the day the m1-a classic rises from its slumber and takes over Ouro.

[flint wave]

I use oh Carol once in a full moon

[vestal ibex]

lol that is good fun.

[vestal ibex]

I wonder how you'd make a gear set fun and interesting for rifles tho.

[acoustic coral]

That's like saying AWPing is gonna make you a worse rifler

[magic pilot]

Console we use mouse and mouse to cheat

[vestal ibex]

Naw that's not how I see it. Getting into the mind set of just hit anything via dragging vs going for pin point headshots will mess with you if you don't practice.

[magic pilot]

Why did you remove the 2 pc lol

[tawdry flare]

511 gear set

[vestal ibex]

Mix in how year one aces was and I think we could work with it.

[flint wave]

Rifle damage 15

[magic pilot]

You are 100% right, drag scoping is slower and more inaccurate

[magic pilot]

My bad meant 3 pc

[flint wave]

fuck headshot damage

[magic pilot]

Damage 30🤣

[flint wave]

crit damage 30

[tulip charm]

nah

[magic pilot]

30 crit dmg

[tulip charm]

I want Sentry

[flint wave]

too much effort me only know erase words

[hexed steppe]

Wont ever matter if they dont fix determined

[vestal ibex]

I really think they changed the wording and gave up.

[tawdry flare]

The only reason I can see is it isn't getting abused in PvP so it is not priority

[vestal ibex]

If it hit breakpoints in PvP we'd see it all the time.

[urban latch]

Except it absolutely is lol

[tawdry flare]

Really it is getting abused in PvP ?

[urban latch]

Yes lol, since release it's been absolutely busted, especially dz since you can start it on ads. And if you hit a players full shield it ignores it completely and counts as a headshot

[tawdry flare]

If it is than the only reason I think it makes farming easy for all the players including those who use it and those who not

[urban latch]

And then the latest patch they went and made MMRs WAY stronger

[tawdry flare]

No one wants to give it up

I just went to dz extracted bunch of stuff and cleared the dz mission

It was way too lucky for me

Not a single agent in dz

[acoustic coral]

People are very much complaining about it in PvP, but anyone complaining about Determined in PvE - well just promise me you're never gonna play Counter-Strike then.

[hexed steppe]

I'm sure they wont 🤣
Cs old af now

[acoustic coral]

CS2 released last year, major in a month??

[hexed steppe]

Oh I didnt even know 🤣 🤣
I'm thinking the old one

Musta been huge 💀

[acoustic coral]

I know you're a boomer, but like. CS is CS

[tawdry flare]

Same pvpers when swap to PvP

I have only played cs like 2wice

[magic pilot]

It's in dz all the time

[tulip charm]

I still play cs

[acoustic coral]

30 minutes after and I'm still struggling to understand what you actually mean here.

[tulip charm]

but lately it becoming too toxic so i just come to d2 to relax a bit

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[waxen herald]

People use Determine in DZ PVP?

[tulip charm]

yeah

super cheese tho

[past bolt]

can someone suggest me some decent gloves that can get the same stats but with SMG damage instead of LMG ?

[waxen herald]

How tf?

[acoustic coral]

Because if we stay with The Division, when do you want to pin point headshot?
Crit based builds: Body Shots (AR, LMG, SMG, Rifles)
Then you have shotguns, pistols and MMRs left.
If you wanna run Perfect Focus and Ranger, Nemesis, Mantis, Vindicator or Regulus, sure you're gonna want to hit more precisely, but outside of that?

[tulip charm]

your only option is to get a groupo or sokolovo gloves that rolls with crit and cdmg

[hexed steppe]

He means determined ruins your aim because you can just drag the crosshair over a target and get max damage without much thought or aim. I actually agree with this, but also like using determine

[past bolt]

& they have SMG damage ?

[acoustic coral]

And my counter to that is, why exactly? How does it ruin your aim if you gotta body shot accurately - not unlike using an AR in strikers

[tulip charm]

sokolovo does then

[past bolt]

ok will hunt down a pair of those then thank you

[tulip charm]

It more of having the muscle memory to instinctively go for headshot then having to actually aim for the head ig

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hexed steppe]

If the talent was working as originally intended it would give 1 free headshot bodyshot and not reproc on that bodyshot. If the talent was fixed proper a lot if people I including myself would not be killing targets as fast as they can pull a trigger

[tulip charm]

oh right didnt they fixed it before and people complained?

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, but very few builds rely on hitting the head in this game (as I mentioned earlier)
On the other hand some of the best AWPers in CS:GO was also unironically the best Riflers

[hexed steppe]

And those would be the builds that would be in the majority..
Currently there is a lot if det HH running around. It's not comparable to actual sniping

[flint wave]

but hitting the head is also a pain in the ass since enemies move weird

[acoustic coral]

And tend to put something in front of them, such as turrets or their arms.

[flint wave]

Arm shooting hurts

[waxen herald]

Wait, Determined isn't supposed to be working as intended atm?

[flint wave]

Like wtfman

[acoustic coral]

Good thing they publicly stated in TU18 patch notes that they allow determined to reproc then

[vestal ibex]

No one really knows anymore.

[hexed steppe]

Only because they couldn't fix it as intended

[vestal ibex]

There has been a bunch of back and forth and what it is currently is probably going to stay, that's how I see it.

[waxen herald]

Thank fuck for spaghetti code

[flint wave]

I think they know if they nerf determined mmrs kinda dead lmao

[acoustic coral]

Doesn't matter, they stated it as "we have allowed this, this is now intended" and we're in TU20 now.

[tulip charm]

Lame

I wanted to see the community burn if it was fixed

[waxen herald]

Community burned when they fucked Clutch

[acoustic coral]

I would genuinely just not play an MMR build as often.

[hexed steppe]

Doesnt change the fact it is broken. Also doesnt change the fact it screws aiming.

[flint wave]

keeping op talent > actually balancing mmrs around the state the game is in rn

[vestal ibex]

I'm waiting for the day they buff the semi auto snipers so we can chain HH with them.

[waxen herald]

HH?

Hotshot?

[tulip charm]

Cant you already do that with the svd in solo?

[hexed steppe]

Headhunter

[vestal ibex]

Head hunters, along side determined is what creates this conversation.

[waxen herald]

Sniping wouldn't be a problem if the enemies didn't move like dancing car insurance noodles

[vestal ibex]

wacky wavy inflatable tube division enemies.

[acoustic coral]

It's not a fact that it screws aiming, it just plainly isn't.
That's why I brought up a game that requires actual aim like CS, with AWPing (one shot unless you hit feet/hands) and Rifling (you better hit the head).

Anyways, this is so far off topic of this channel.

[waxen herald]

Right back on topic, should I scrap my Elmo to reroll my chameleon?

[vestal ibex]

BREH

[hexed steppe]

No

[flint wave]

society if mmrs could ignore warhound armor without shooting the legs for no damage

[hexed steppe]

Scrap the cham

[vestal ibex]

They chose violence when waking up today

[waxen herald]

[acoustic coral]

@magic pilot @surreal depot I'm calling in the experts

[flint wave]

debate of the century

[surreal depot]

mentally sane person says yes

[acoustic coral]

WAIT, HOLD IT, anyone who's a licensed debate judge?

[hexed steppe]

If it doesnt mess with aiming you should swap over to ranger or something and see how well you keep HH buff up 💀

[acoustic coral]

I'll do that when you get you cm/360 to above 25cm

[hexed steppe]

Very telling

Js

[vestal ibex]

I think that determined just allows you to be super sloppy with flicks and if you aren't training that elsewhere it's a degrading skill.

[hexed steppe]

Truth

[acoustic coral]

What is very telling? That you blame determined when you have, what is it, 5cm/360?

[acoustic coral]

For reference

[flint wave]

Don't play div2 to flick train it's that shrimple

[vestal ibex]

thb I installed aim labs yesterday and to anyone who claims they can use an absurdly high like 2-10cm/360 should see how good their aim really is.

[hexed steppe]

It's actuallyike 2cm/360. But its besides the point and you're just redirecting

[vestal ibex]

Other than that it's preference and whatever

[waxen herald]

Just use Mantis for better sniping, EZ

[flint wave]

Muscle memory battle starts again👴

[hexed steppe]

No that's a non issue

[magic pilot]

Scrap both and get an EB

[vestal ibex]

Nothing to talk about really. Burden of proof gets put on ones that make the claims. You wanna make claims provide proof or there isn't much to talk about.

[urban latch]

Like.... Are you actually sure it's that high...

[hexed steppe]

Bu I do hit all my shots when using determined regardless

[urban latch]

A full rotation in 2cm

[vestal ibex]

For the US people that is about .78 of an inch.

[waxen herald]

Are we taking sniping seriously in a game where enemies break dance while shooting at you?

Cus the Hyenas can really juju on that beat

[acoustic coral]

This is such a moot discussion, because it depends on the game.
CS, AWP is like determined except feet+hands isn't one shot. Some of the best AWPers of all time are also unironically the best riflers.
Aim in CS also translates well to many other shooters, which generally applies worse the other way around.

[hexed steppe]

Well I moved my mouse for an in game 360 after marking start position. End position was a little less than an inch. Roughly 2cm

[vestal ibex]

I do feel a big issue is the animations they have and the transitions can be jank and super fast.

[urban latch]

It's set animations though, so with enough experience you can recognize an animation and know where the head is about to be

[acoustic coral]

I mean, what do you want me to do, run a mission on heroic with ranger in sub 15 min or what?

[waxen herald]

Naw mate, them Hyenas be doing the rain dance

[acoustic coral]

They do be doing dem drugs too

[flint wave]

set animations but unpredictable animations

[urban latch]

The real problem with hyenas is all the damn helmets

[hexed steppe]

I dont care that much tbh. But to say it doesnt help degrade aim is kinda rediculous. When you're used to hitting body shots and having it chain as headshots it's a hard habit to break

[surreal depot]

2cm is too high

[dull ermine]

Now that you’ve said it I can rest finally 😭

[acoustic coral]

But why is it degrading? I ask again because you barely need to hit anything other than the body in Division.
And then I point, again, to CS with regards to AWPing and rifling

[waxen herald]

You can hear the skill build users laughing rn

[vestal ibex]

Skills can't aim half the time either.

[acoustic coral]

laughs in a yellow enemy rolling away from your seeker mine rendering it useless

[waxen herald]

So what you're saying is that not even the computer based skills can even hit the Hyenas

[hexed steppe]

I dont know how I could say it in more simple wording.

[waxen herald]

The solution is simple: Nerf the Hyenas

[flint wave]

lol

it's not just hyenas

[dull ermine]

Drop the chest and backpack. But if you’re intent to run it like this swap contractors for fox prayers

[past bolt]

its not my main build its just something im mucking about with

[dull ermine]

Oh in that case I’d go with fox prayers

[past bolt]

a bit sad because my memory is poor as to the reason why but unless im wrong I am sure someone in the DJtickle community will correct me but ( I think) he did give a decent explanation as to why they arnt the best - but like I said (not sure what that was) I am not there anymore so cant exactly check - & he knows his stuff

[urban latch]

Replace them with 1p ceska

[lyric prism]

when you have to wait for the disrupt effect to end to reapply you either have too much cd or too much status effect. first world issue.

[past bolt]

so now saying ceska gloves ?

[dull ermine]

I think the bigger issue is it ruins team play. Not much of a challenge or anything for other people to do when the target in front of them drops after they take out the armor for the sniper guy in the back

People also run it for every mission despite it being impractical and they kind of hold the team back

For instance Federal emergency bunker after rooms 1&2

[urban latch]

Could be gloves, knees, or holster, doesn't really matter.

[past bolt]

dont think those ones are craftable are they (the gloves) ?

[lyric prism]

ok midday question: guess the jammer cooldown and duration.

go!

[dull ermine]

Cooldown 6 seconds

Duration indefinite 😂

[hexed steppe]

generally the build is strong enough to take out anything without a helmet in 4man heroic. named need a little armor removed, and helmets are just 2 shots.
but yeah, i can see your point

[tulip charm]

8 sec dur no cd

[dull ermine]

I think a lot of pc players are more invested to making the build right. Just this morning I saw someone running determined with a pieced together build but it had skill stuff on it. Wasn’t an issue really it’s just they had to wait for us to weaken enemies. This came to a bit of a draw at invaded bank headquarters tho… we all go swarmed cause no dps

[lyric prism]

that is w/o tag team proccing but if it does I have to sit there for a few seconds not to clip the reapply.

[dull ermine]

Does emp refresh

[hexed steppe]

yeah that could cause some problems

[lyric prism]

no.

but if you time the application right with the 2sec charge time its like a half second window.

[dull ermine]

I wish tag team worked with riot foam

[lyric prism]

if you miss the tag team proc bc rng then its 3.3 secs of drones shooting you.

the problem is if you wait out the cd and the game doesn't catch it and you spam right when the button for jammer looks like its off cd it will not go off and go on a 5sec internal cd.

so maddening.

[dull ermine]

Is this for drones

[lyric prism]

the manhunt on coney island for whats his name.

[dull ermine]

I run perfectly calculated I think

Schaffer?

That mission was so hard 😂

[lyric prism]

start it out of the tripod range and run forward while holding the button down.

[dull ermine]

Getting bum rushed every 2 seconds

[lyric prism]

yea. the pulse is strong enough to kill a red bar drone.

I've also done the manhunt with my ep hazpro setup for countdown. much easier to position, much longer cd but the drones need to get to you first. very useful against the gun emplacements though. the final room is also easy. stay in the open gate, let them come to you.

other than the manhunt the jammer setup serves no purpose for me.

[dull ermine]

Why do u need to jam him

I forget … isn’t it just heli swarms

[lyric prism]

its not for him. its for after you find his body. yea, all the heli/drone/dogs after.

i did play around w/ creeping death but it never procs.

so went with wicked.

[dull ermine]

Interesting

I’ve only done that mission once… keep failing at the hunter. Boss fight was tragic

Nowhere to hide 🥲

[lyric prism]

if one person runs this sort of setup or any sort of jammer with a half way good cd it makes the machine spam part after the dead body a walk in the park

you just need to learn to stay out of the tripod dampening range and to run forward while holding your skill button down to catch the drones.

I also do swap Capacitor for Bluescreen many times.

[past bolt]

ok I am sure I am being thick here but I can't see why I cant change the %8 weapon handling on my gloves to critical hit damage they are new gloves & not changed anything on them....any ideas ?

[lyric prism]

picture?

[lyric prism]

do you have max weapon handling in your library?

i think you do with the orange mark on the line.

[past bolt]

it is that i am trying to change

[flint wave]

do u even have glove crti damage in ur libraru

[lyric prism]

^ or that.

[past bolt]

I got the glove crit hit damage %12 yes

[lyric prism]

and do you have 8% weapon handling in the library as well?

[glossy scarab]

the orange up arrow at the end of the attribute tells you its in the library maxed

[lyric prism]

ok so I was thinking right.

[lyric prism]

then idk. you should be able to change it.

unless you don't have the materials for the roll.

[past bolt]

then surely it would say I don't have enough

[acoustic coral]

let's see the tinker menu

[past bolt]

I think you was right not enough materials I did not see it before come up

[lyric prism]

yea you don't have enough. sometimes depending on the view it won't show.

knowing you don't have enough Field Data

[past bolt]

yeah not enough

[lyric prism]

that one is like rum, always gone.

buy optimization caches from countdown vendor, craft them, etc.

but idk, I'm just guessing. always seems to be the missing one.

[glossy scarab]

you can get some optimization caches at danny weaver right now

[past bolt]

thats a once a week thing though isn't it ?

[glossy scarab]

its reset today for some reason and its a diff selection. no named item caches

still max rolled proficiency cache

[past bolt]

not sure where he is I don't have a lcoation for him

[hazy steeple]

They did say that the things Weaver has available will be on a rotation, not the same.

to find him, you just find the Snitch and it reveals both locations.

[lyric prism]

I cleaned him out, he had none this morning.

[past bolt]

yeah I can never remember how to find the snitch 😦

[lyric prism]

hrm might need to check

[hazy steeple]

division2map.com has spawn locations.
I'd pin that in your browser if I were you, surprisingly useful.

[flint wave]

now pin it in this discord

[upper patrol]

got 93.1 stability, no clue where i can add more 😄

[past bolt]

yeah i have that doesnt really mean much to me unless it tells me exactly where the snitch is at any given moment it is not much help

[vestal ibex]

Are there rules about what you can pin for community resources or something?

[hazy steeple]

It's an incredibly grey area.

[lyric prism]

omg he did restock.

[hazy steeple]

All gun mods on stability? except for the scope of course.

[vestal ibex]

He has 42 RANDOM spawns.... He is at one of them.

[hazy steeple]

you may also need 1-2 weapon handling rolls, depending on your SHD watch.

[flint wave]

ask td2 community needs more pins

[past bolt]

yeah that dont help im not going to check all 42 spots

[upper patrol]

if i go with scope i get 47% stab, where can i add more?

[glossy scarab]

i only check one spot ever and hes always there lol

[hazy steeple]

I'm not officially saying this so I'll deny it if you ask, but there is a trick to....how do I put this, there is a trick to spawning it.
google it, we can't talk about it here.

[upper patrol]

shd 273, 45% handling

[vestal ibex]

Learn 2-3 that are quick to check and log out and back in as it picks another random spot.

You aren't gonna call this a glitch are you?

[hazy steeple]

That's not a glitch, the glitch is a certain DZ spot.

and yes, still works.

[vestal ibex]

Oh yeah idk anything about that.

cough cough writing little side note

[hazy steeple]

I didn't say nuffin

[hazy steeple]

First step: double-check that the gun selected whilst on your stats page is the MMR you're working on.
then once you have, double check that all the mods on your MMR are stabilty (except for the scope, which can easily be that giant digital scope from Sharpshooter)

oh yeah and put on Sharpshooter with it.

you may be missing some +stability mods on your gun from Control Points at lvl 3/4. especially the muzzle one which gives +20% stability/minus range.

[acoustic coral]

I mean the defacto easiest spot to check is fast travelling to the space administration (NOA) HQ, because you can see the green arrow above him just by turning around and walking a few steps. If he's not there, relog, because he only spawns in world the first time you encounter a spawn

#ask-td2-community message

[upper patrol]

this the weap

[upper patrol]

missing this, will check

btw without the scope i drop to 78.1% stability

[hazy steeple]

moonie here demonstrating how not to mod it for 100% stability for newbies.

[lyric prism]

hey

[urban latch]

Are you running at least 3p hotshot?

[upper patrol]

ok missing that magazine

[upper patrol]

yep

[lyric prism]

there you meanie

I mean I could add the PRO Red Dot.

[hazy steeple]

nah just add the digital sight instead, be cool

[urban latch]

You shouldn't need stability attachments to reach 100% stability. The whole point of reaching 100% is mostly for a niche speedrun strat, but the idea is to get 100% on the tac50 which won't have any attachments, and with 3p hotshot that's fairly easy

[hazy steeple]

nah 100% stability is great because you can blind-fire from cover with your mmr and still 1 shot people.

[acoustic coral]

Yes, but bigger numbers gibs more dopamine.

[lyric prism]

so does hearing their scream while on fire.

ahhhhh, zen.

[hexed steppe]

hit up some control points, or use shd for direct purchase

[lyric prism]

^that.

[hexed steppe]

or bum around clearing f10 for no xp but plenty of frd

[lyric prism]

what is F10

[hexed steppe]

floor 10 summit farm. it used to be the xp spot but was nerfed. still gives frd tho, equivelent to cp at difficulty levels

chal 3, hero 4

[wise swallow]

Why are you trying to hard to pretend that i didnt recommend 2 "optimal meta" builds and sent that 3rd one with the disclaimer that its a fun HSD build you can try out if you have the pieces.

[hexed steppe]

better off doing cp tho for the xp on top.. but its like 30sec clear

[upper patrol]

What skills are good to grind CPs?

[acoustic coral]

Aim

[upper patrol]

lmao fair

[acoustic coral]

Sorry, I don't play skill builds hehe

[tulip charm]

Ep fire ig

[cyan drift]

is incoming repairs or repair skills better for self-healing

[magic pilot]

None of the 3 you sent were minmaxed

[wise swallow]

crazy almost like min maxxed attributes dont matter

nor did i even show attributes

and yes coyote, ceska, 4 striker is the meta. P eff, Yhall and 3golan/2 golan and emperors or 2 golan + foxes, fen/prov is indeed a pretty strong haz pro regen build.

[hexed steppe]

You can use mortar or turret/drone setup to clear cp. It wont be as fast as say a headhunter build but theyll still get the job done

[upper patrol]

I am looking for the skills for my HH build 😄

[vestal ibex]

HH sniper builds get good use out of decoy, reviver, pulse or tac drone, foam, idk it's preference.

[acoustic coral]

If it's HH skills you're looking for, then... Okay I'll show myself out

[vestal ibex]

Really HH skills are utility, if you are doing determined and wanna farm as fast as possible with 5 directives then tac drone is ESP basically then from there it's what utility provides the most bang for buck.

[hexed steppe]

Yeah revive/decoy/assault turret

Turret is nice for named to help tale a little armor down

[vestal ibex]

If you do 5 CPs and never use one of your skills I'd say change it out, try to use a skill that you'll use for some reason if anything.

[urban latch]

Turrets honestly just cause unnecessary stagger and end up making HHing more difficult than any benefit they give

[hexed steppe]

You can pick where it targets

It doesnt have to be what your currently shooting at 😉

[acoustic coral]

I usually run the revive hive for fucking up and then never really use anything else for most content with HH

Shield if I'm Regulus/Pistol HH'ing, but that's different.

[cyan drift]

I really need to practice with Liberty more

this thing is unwieldy asf

how good tank builds would be if they could run sweet dreams and the liberty at the same time

this is pretty solid as a self-healer so far though

not sure if 20% incoming repairs (5:11) would offset the 30% repair skills and 1% regen of the emeror's guard

actually nvm it'd be something else first

a lengmo might be alright instead of 5:11 cause 25% skill health, and white tusk is just explosions nonstop

[hexed steppe]

Should put a bellstone in place of the emperors guard and get some free aok with the regen, and itll free up an attribute

[cyan drift]

good shout

so far this build has actually been pretty solid

I changed the 5:11 gloves to lengmo, shield goes from 14.7 to 18.4, very worth it

and black tusk has no shortage of explosions either

[solar sable]

Which MMR build should I run to 1 shot everything that moves?

[cyan drift]

there we go

I feel like an idiot for not running pfe mods before

actual night and day difference

[vestal ibex]

chainkiller, 4 piece hotshot, airaldi backpack with vigilance, sniper rifle you pick had options, WD, model 700, m700, SR-1, M44, idk others probably work too. Get determined on your sniper and it'll chain headshots(helmets, robots, dogs will mess up your buff tho).

What I'm suggesting here is good for 4 man legendary as well as other variations that can do the same basically, more freedom as you drop players and diff.

It's just the easiest slap on junk to go run it, build it however as you learn it.

[glossy scarab]

i thought you could one shot dogs with determined. you just have to wait for the thiing to explode before you take another shot. but once it blows up the determined procs again

[vestal ibex]

HH stacks are gone at that point.

[glossy scarab]

oh

[vestal ibex]

Don't get me wrong just body a red and then whatever your second shot can do an your back off to the races ya know.

[glossy scarab]

right

[solar sable]

Also DTOC as the third attribute, right?

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, you get determined back but whether or not you can pop non-reds depends on how baller your stats are.

[vestal ibex]

I prefer DTTOOC as it nets you more on your first shot, DTA you'll see bigger numbers up top but really I'd suggest putting the build together learning how head hunters and determined works and you could use the most scuff build ever for solo heroic.

[solar sable]

Ty!

Ill save this

[acoustic coral]

A bit unsure how I wanna show "stats" for skills, been tryna switching it up for countdown so it's not just the same mindless striker elmo run.
Got a BluescreenDilemma build together which is quite fun to switch it up with.
Was then thinking about running this EP build, just a bit unsure if I go Firestarter + Burn Sticky as this version of the build is intended or run Foam + Burn Sticky for a bit more support - if that is even "good" or if I'm better off going for the CC version if I wanted to support?

In any case, what would I want to use? Capacitor? The shotty?

[vestal ibex]

Most go with disrupt resist foam.

For CD that is.

[acoustic coral]

Is that the other build version in the evernote?

[vestal ibex]

So you'd roll haz pro and put some disrupt mods in your gear to hit the threshold(95.8), courier, 1 pc electriqure.

[hexed steppe]

Depends on the content.
Burn ep is really strong up to heroic. If you are with a team itll still do well but may fall short solo heroic.

[acoustic coral]

How do I utilize these versions?

[hexed steppe]

I found full hazpro better in CD rather than just disrupt resist. I've ran both ways and immunity from fire/shock/foam/disrupt/bleed all useful

[vestal ibex]

Have you ever made the CC version and used it?

[acoustic coral]

I'm currently farming both versions with my BluescreenDilemma and asking how I would utilise 'em.

[vestal ibex]

CC foam is 1000% the best OW/legendary support build out there. It's amazing and it requires skill to use well. The countdown version is just a bit different as having some sort of haz pro is good for hunters.

[steel rampart]

Just make sure to hit the dogs in the legs not the body

[hexed steppe]

Ep is pretty easy regardless of setup.
Hit npcs with either fire or foam let team dps them down to facilitate spread. If solo use cap or scorpio to get stuff spreading.
Repeat as new stuff spawns

Should look into an opportunistic bag as an alternative to creeping death. The extra team amp goes a long way

My cd setup (also works well for f100 support)

[lyric prism]

if you are doing this for countdown consider gunner and banshee pulse.

foam and banshee pulse make the group control easy especially on the extract.

[hexed steppe]

Scorpio disorients as well. 10% against status for team is hard to give up, and them fire nades for procing sledge 🤔

[lyric prism]

for countdown they don't need it.

hell it was your setup that I based mine on months ago. I don't have a yaahl piece though.

I don't run legendary or summit so I changed it some for countdown spamming.

[hexed steppe]

Yeah the yaahl isnt necessary, just means 6 hazpro and useful brand bonus

I'm starting to see hazpro ep more often in cd now

But yeah I remember when you built it. I'm glad this type of build is getting more traction and not as much pushback to its validity 🍻

[magic pilot]

Yaahl is a status loss

Run 3 disrupt mods and Hazpro rolls over skill haste and you are at cap

[hexed steppe]

Only on disrupt

[magic pilot]

Why would you need anything else

[hexed steppe]

There plenty of other status

[magic pilot]

And?

[hexed steppe]

And full immunity is easily achievable. At like 2-3 seconds lost on foam duration

[magic pilot]

I'll compare with you later once I do this mission

lol auto banned

[hexed steppe]

Duration loss that doesnt matter since team is mowing stuff down

But yaahl eletrique hanna, doesnt matter... the attribute makes up for any brand bonus... with a slight loss of haste if using hanna

[spice moon]

Ooh, I so want to try this out.

[hexed steppe]

Its easy to build. Use eletrique mask with hazpro roll on everything. If you have a max watch itll put you at 100% hazpro.
Alternatively you can use 3 disrupt mods and have 3 more status rolls. But you'll be susceptible to status other than disrupt

[magic pilot]

Old old pic

[hexed steppe]

Also I think setup blueprint still available from level 4 control points

[spice moon]

Sadly my watch is only at 250

I have The setup

[hexed steppe]

Nice

Have you spent all the category points

[spice moon]

Yes

I just started working on armor for the next round, but I could switch to hazard

[hexed steppe]

By 500 you can have hazpro maxed out if you start now

[spice moon]

I should be done with the next round in about a couple of weeks at my current rate

[hexed steppe]

I like setup way more than creeping now. Being able to reclaim some of my lost amp while boosting everyone's damage is pretty good

[glossy scarab]

what would you want ideally, a skill tier setup with hazpro and status?

[sharp mango]

Hey is the rate of fire attribute good for the Scorpio?

[vestal ibex]

Fire rate max is 5% which would be a total damage increase(if it's the only source) but DTTOOC is 10% of a total damage increase(if it's the only source and almost all enemies you are rushing up on will be out of cover). I'd say go DTTOOC.

[sharp mango]

Gotcha thanks.

[hexed steppe]

I use all haste in my setup. Any status you add is 10% SE=1sec foam duration

[glossy scarab]

oh true

[limpid pagoda]

i just got this gun can i make it better im kinda new?

[hexed steppe]

Pair that st elmo with something like striker and it'll tear stuff up. There is a spreadsheet pinned in this channel that has a bunch of build guides including striker.
Hub (builds) tab, links at end of each line for a detailed breakdown

[lyric prism]

the desired 3rd roll it Damage to Target Out of Cover and you need to recraft, not optimize in tinkering, the gun in order to get that stat. If you are new though just go enjoy the gun. like localdesk said, get a Strikers setup going and use that for now.

[limpid pagoda]

can i dm you MOONIE in private?

[lyric prism]

no just ask your questions here.

[limpid pagoda]

so i got this build

[lyric prism]

you only need 4 of the 5 striker pieces. the one recommended is a Ceska brand chest tro give you more critical hit chance.

max is 60% chc.

[limpid pagoda]

oke

[lyric prism]

the game hard caps at that 60%.

[limpid pagoda]

so i should grind for ceska

[lyric prism]

yes.

actually you want that

what is the talent.

[limpid pagoda]

unbreakable

[lyric prism]

good chest.

[limpid pagoda]

but i need to look for better one right?

[lyric prism]

you would want to optimize the headshot damage into critical damage at some point.

no, its a good chest. the game allows optimization.

[limpid pagoda]

but wym with recraft my gun?

[lyric prism]

exotics have a different path for optimization

[vestal ibex]

*recalibrate

[lyric prism]

yes that.

[limpid pagoda]

okay

[tidal valve]

Since you're using st elmos, you would want 4 piece striker in backpack, gloves, knee pads, and holster, with all 4 having a CHD substats. Next for newbies (below SHD 1000) you would want grupo mask with CHC and CHD, and ceska chest with the same substats and with either unbreakable talent (for survivalbility) and obliterate (for much sustained damage with st elmo)

Also use CHD mods on all available slots in your gear

[hexed steppe]

@ shd16 they will need 2 mods/rolls of chc to hit in a good range. if everything is chd they will only hit 42% which is too low.

also probably better off with the current coyote so they can get mid range chc buff to compensate for the lack of watch chc bonus

[silver lark]

does anyone know where I can find damage breakpoints for tiered enemies? eg how much health damage I need to deal to take down a named heroic enemy with 1/2/3/4 player scaling, etc

[hexed steppe]

@vestal ibex im pretty sure you have a copy pasta of this

[silver lark]

for context I'm trying to make a semi hybrid Determined sniper/Bulwark build

[hexed steppe]

its definitely available. ill be saving a link once its posted as well 😉

[fringe stratus]

https://prnt.sc/4hSktiLyOXp7 how can i make this st'elmo a bis?

[tulip charm]

Its already good enough

[fringe stratus]

i just bring rifle dmg to the max?

[tulip charm]

You can probably get away with optimizing if you want

[fringe stratus]

isnt chc better?

[tulip charm]

No

[vestal ibex]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQ-OZyQRHd6TskSbeE9tn2jMdn9eLIe9Fsm5CjD7A_EUwUKPdo_VO_ug7aOMdH3hhnw0pE8GGs_LnPl/pubhtml

This is a "normal" enemy tho, so rushers have less and LMG bros have more. This doesn't account for over heal of enemies nor robots/dogs.

Remember to turn on damage numbers in chat and compare first-second-third shots.

FYI you can use just a chainkiller and grey gear if you you do first shot with nem and swap to anything as powerful as a WD or more and chain shots like that. It's not optimal by any means but it shows how broken it is if you wanna do strange builds.

[silver lark]

where can I find this option ingame? also many thanks for the resources and insights!

[vestal ibex]

Click the > icon my mouse is on and then drop down and select dat boi

first-second-third shot with just a chainkiller, 1k SHD, and 15 pro on Model 700, no pulse so spotter wasn't active at all. You don't even need nem anymore lol

Well for solo heroic at least.

This is nem first shot and second and third on Model 700.

[rich cosmos]

Not sure I have those kneepads, are they new

Look pretty good

[hybrid ravine]

nice gear

[vestal ibex]

Level 1 grey gear is best gear lol

[rich cosmos]

Gotta rock that max roll 1.1 damage

[flint wave]

Descent be like

[hybrid ravine]

did you just keep the lvl 1 gear all this time

[flint wave]

holy shit it's elmo

[vestal ibex]

It's easy to get a set by making a new character.

[hybrid ravine]

holy shit it's elmo

[flint wave]

🤝

[hybrid ravine]

i see

[vestal ibex]

I wanted to prove you could run heroic 5D CPs with it, and you can lol

Hardest part is that your armor looks like this.

[flint wave]

glass cannon effective armor if it was a visual

[vestal ibex]

GC is better tho

[hybrid ravine]

i mean shi all that three armor bars be gone at the first bullet you take

[rich cosmos]

Bros a red bar

Average match made teammate

[vestal ibex]

175k armor lol

[upper patrol]

apparently when playing HH build i should just go for outcasts?

[hazy steeple]

Assuming your damage is stacked up a bit (or just high enough), you can 1-shot the helmets and then 1 shot the heads afterwards.
Hyenas are the toughest as their rushers have helmets, but that's why I bring a backup just for them.

[ancient dune]

outcasts are the easiest to farm yeah

but hyenas aren't so bad, you can crack helmet in one and then instantly restack

[flint wave]

it's only rushers

not a big problem

[ancient dune]

I think the most annoying one for me is any faction that can produce a chunga I didn't spot at the start and then it takes 10 million shots to break their helmet

[vestal ibex]

This is why I run DCH.

[ancient dune]

trueing

[vestal ibex]

Thicc hammer boi be gone!

[serene flare]

I feel pretty embarassed about this one
would it be worth it to farm out a new backpack so I don't have the Recalibration and Optimization thing on it?

[onyx sage]

change the hsd back to chc and use it as a crit piece

[serene flare]

You can't, once a slot has been Optimized you can't change it

[onyx sage]

oh well

[serene flare]

Ohh, no I'll just use my Airaldi Holdings backpack, it gives me even more damage

52.9 million for The Gift vs 54.8 million for a generic Airaldi with Vigilance

[hazy steeple]

Is that counting 10% MMR damage?