td2-build-advice

[hazy steeple]

It is important to note that the +10% MMR damage on Airaldi is not actually 10%.

[onyx sage]

the headshot damage also only multiplies with shot damage

[wary tundra]

ohh true

[hazy steeple]

basically, the most important thing in the build is high base weapon damage.

and 100% stabilty/150% hsd/and vigilance/and headhunter.
okay nvm there's a lot.

[onyx sage]

here's a guide from yours truly, it lists which brand buffs and talents will multiply with hh bonus and has some light guidance at the end

[wary tundra]

ty

[dreamy valve]

Is tinker broken for shotguns?

[hazy steeple]

The blank menu? You can still get it to work by going to the actual weapon itself and opening it from there.

[upper patrol]

Any did a rifle build? like 1886?

[glossy scarab]

the secondary and pistol are not what they should be here.

[slate wedge]

what would be the best ridgeways pvp build right now?

this is what i put together

[upper patrol]

What talents you using?

[glossy scarab]

headhunter chest. vigilance backpack, determined on the gun but you can use something else if you're good at chaining headshot kills

[dreamy valve]

What do you guys think of the Tactical UMP-45

[glossy scarab]

too slow

[wanton rover]

What’s a good PvP build for skirmish?

[solar sable]

got these two exo's, how good are they?

[rich cosmos]

One is a support based exotic, the other is for grenades, and honestly who cares about grenades

If its your first time getting them just throw em in stash if your not gonna use them

[hazy steeple]

Okay Sledgehammer+bloody knuckles talent.
but yeah those 2 exotics are kinda pants-ish, but Tardigrade is fun if you need nothing else and 2 people in your group already have Coyotes.

[rich cosmos]

Tardigrade is fine yea

Tardigrade suffers the fact that you just shouldn’t use it solo

[hazy steeple]

ow i just cut myself.
Oh sure, but the game is very much not designed to be solo'd, and this is coming from someone who refuses to do anything but under protest.

[rich cosmos]

We need more support players
Ones that aren’t using ninja bike backpack in heroic recruiter, have had a surprising amount of those people

[hazy steeple]

Ninjabag is a big old noob trap and I feel sorry for the people caught in it.
It is fun, but that's part of the trap.

[rich cosmos]

Im getting so annoying at seeing ninjabike in most of my lobbies

Annoyed

Learned camp white oak is my favorite mission to play tho

[hazy steeple]

It is kind of fun showing up for a back-up call with a deliberately terrible build but my gun has +25 expertise on it and there's juuuust enough stats to hit 60/140.

[solar sable]

Glad I deconstructed the ninjabike then lol

[rich cosmos]

Yea its a noob trap

[hazy steeple]

It is always recommended to keep one really well rolled one, just in case of a sudden buff.

[solar sable]

fu... it was god rolled...

[rich cosmos]

Been waiting for that sudden buff for a lot of exotics

[hazy steeple]

that goes for all terrible items in the game. They laughed at my godrolled Shield Splinterer before Resolve. Who's laughing now.

[rich cosmos]

Tbf its easier for ninja and memento

Due to their nature of rolling

Hoping the new gloves actually receive a rework though

Out of all exotics, its the one that desperately needs to be changed asap

[tulip charm]

Idk man people forget that imperial dynasty exist and hasnt been reworked in forever

Worst exotic in the game by far

[rich cosmos]

I would honestly say the new gloves are worse because it forces you to change playstyles and still doesn’t work

[hazy steeple]

I mean, basically every Exotic has a specific playstyle associated with it, that is kind of how they're designed.
However, both them and Imperial are rather bad due to yeah, how they just kinda don't make that change work.

[rich cosmos]

Hip fire and blind fire are both intentionally bad tho

Blind fire especially

[hazy steeple]

3pc Hotshot, 100% stability MMR>

blind fire all the enemies in 1 hit!

[tulip charm]

Well the thing with those gloves is that it depended whether or not the devs can make a talent or exotic gun that works well with it. Imperial cant be fixed without a whole ass rework

[rich cosmos]

Imperial honestly could be fixed, the gloves can’t

If you buff the gloves you risk an entire meta of abusing blind fire

[tulip charm]

Fuck it we go back to Division 1 Hip fire meta

[rich cosmos]

The gloves quite literally need a new talent

The word rework is an understatement

[tulip charm]

Eh. Just add damage to the gloves when hip/blind firing and it becomes niche.

Ez solution.

[hazy steeple]

See nah, because builds are already fairly tight for space on the high-end. You only have 1 free spot most of the time in Strikers, and even then you have to work out what will beat a ceska piece or Fox's if you aren't using it.

I'm trying to think of what sort of build a strong version of those gloves would fit, and kinda can't? Because tbh, you stay inside optimal range and you already have very few issues with hitting stuff.

a strong cqc build already uses shields more than cover overall, and one that requires cover means that you want to make sure you are hitting the most vulnerable spots more than not.

[lyric prism]

blindfire bonus for that thing in Descent.

or maybe better yet and seriously, they need to do like they did with SEE and shocker punch thing. make exotic dual piece sets.

Imperial needs some sort of thing with Firewall.

bc fire.

[hazy steeple]

It took me a good 3 minutes to realise what SEE meant.

(for those confused, it's St Elmo's Engine)

[lyric prism]

they need to stop making new Gear sets and make some combos.

Dynasty interaction with fire chem.

[hazy steeple]

first make a Rifle Gearset though.
Although, I do support more exotic combos.
waveform+capacitor!

[lyric prism]

if in Firewall get more fuel.

that would be an interesting set.

[hazy steeple]

BK would be interesting to combine with the ninjaknees.
Like, you already don't reload so it gives a damage buff or something.

[lyric prism]

I got a better one.

Pesti. on cover to cover completion get 35 rounds of a random status ammo.

they did not buff it recently, it would be an interesting change.

[hazy steeple]

So make it a kind of "random status" weapon, I dig it.

I actually do suspect that they're going to add an Exotic soon-ish that pairs with the Vindicator.

[lyric prism]

it needs something.

I haven't gone into Descent to get it yet but all reports are its an interesting affect but meh on the hit.

[sonic veldt]

I like it a lot, just wish it didn't take so long to play

if I could quit I would play it more

[sudden fog]

Hmm

Am I cooked or nah

[strange wigeon]

more like charred

what was the plan with this build?

[exotic saddle]

Finished me build. (PVE)

Yellow Cores 6/12.

2x Hana-U (Mask, Backpack with Leech)

3x Empress (Holster, Kneepads and Chest with Perfectly Gifted)

1x Wyvern (Gloves)

Hive + Shrapnel.

Now, all i'm doing is speedblitzing the SHD Watch to level up as fast as possible.

(Good PVE build, ye or nah?)

[flint wave]

That's not his build

[rich cosmos]

This is such a cursed image

[flint wave]

that build was so close to greatness too

But no, 3pc striker

[rich cosmos]

There is so much wrong with it

221 shd 💀

[flint wave]

I've seen worse

[rich cosmos]

The wildest part is he willingly put 4 blues on top of memento

For incursion

[onyx sage]

every day, we stray further from meta

[rich cosmos]

Average division matchmaking at its finest

[exotic saddle]

I feel like these days, the PvP meta is having max crit chance with as high crit dmg, with Unbreakable (if ur lucky, perfectly Unbreakable) with Ouroboros, and all red cores

[flint wave]

blue*

and no perfect unbreakable

[exotic saddle]

I mean, 6 blue cores with only red attributs also work

Best is 6/12

If u really want to be PvP cancer, 6 Blue Cores with Memento Backpack for the extra red and yellow core, only red attributes and you equip EMP Launcher and Impulsion so no one can use SHD Tech

[strange wigeon]

Found this genius build, I think this might be the new meta

[onyx sage]

big brain

[exotic saddle]

Are these striker gear set?

[flint wave]

let me do u one better

[hazy steeple]

I just found out you can't recal the Adrestia and my day is ruined.

[sudden fog]

It’s who I play incursion with

[flint wave]

🛌

[stiff jasper]

Well actually they cause by different reason

Crit are not the only attributes, but people not using hsd because crit are easier, and most people have no habit with hazard

Running blue Unbreakable because gear and talent changes , immediately no longer burst damage in pvp, catharsis make people alive longer, so people going more red or more blue, in that case unbreakable and adrush more benefits with high armor

Outoboros are strong because it spec,extreme high rpm and reload speed and damage

[trail summit]

okay so why do people run fox prayers knee pads with striker build instead of fenris or sokolov? i have oroboraus and coyote mask and i want to know why people think its better to have 8% dmg out of cover instead of 10% smg dmg.. HELP ME UNDERSTAND

[sudden fog]

Easy to get prob

[stiff jasper]

Because people noob

Any some noob always advocate "best 3 gear"

[strange wigeon]

I raise you

[gentle lichen]

All weapon damage is additive and has diminishing returns the more red cores you have. Dtoc is multiplicative

[stiff jasper]

In case 6 blue, fox give 8% and fernis 7.575%, but fernis have 6chc

[gentle lichen]

I would assume the case would be 6 red because striker in pve is mostly ran like that so foxes would have more value but yeah in 6 blues weapon brands have more value overall

[stiff jasper]

I assume you know we discussed about pvp not pve, my bad

[strange wigeon]

anyone got a ouro build that doesnt use ninja bag or striker ? maybe something off meta, something fresh ?

[vestal atlas]

All dttooc is additive and has diminishing returns the more dttooc you have. Dtoc is NOT multiplicative in that sense,
its not that factor that makes it better, it is that you can not diminish it to that degree because there are really only 2 sources

[vestal atlas]

just put it on anything you like, because you can pretty easily put it in anything, HF or ND if you want something red, red FI if you want to put it into something supporty, hell solo you could run it with foundry and likely still easily kill with it

[pastel shard]

for a skill build which would be better kinetic momentum or overwatch
I thought overwatch would be better but i saw some recommending km
Kinetic provides 15% skill damage which is 3% high than overwatch but overwatch provides a buff for the entire team
idk if im being stupid but overwatch jus seems like a better option

[gentle lichen]

Kinetic provides 30%

15% per skill

[strange wigeon]

depends on what you want to use it on

[pastel shard]

ah

im jus stupid 💀

[hazy steeple]

Unless something drastic changed that I'm not aware of, the ninjabag is pretty much never meta.
I assume the idea that it is comes from youtubers.

[hexed steppe]

Use glass or perfect glass. Better for skill

And it's an amp

[pastel shard]

how does that work cause isnt that also 30%

ik there are additive n multiplicative stuff but i only know that stuff from div 1 idk any of the stuff here

[strange wigeon]

for me its just, that it seems really good + a lot of clanmates use it. Its also so ugly I dont want to use it 🤷

[hazy steeple]

It does seem great, that's one of the evil things about it.

[hexed steppe]

Yeah but it's not additive to other sources... the tsd on chest will be additive to tsd on backpack

[strange wigeon]

might just farm for a HF build for Ouro

[pastel shard]

thats my build rn for ref

[strange wigeon]

what are you planning to use the build for ?

[pastel shard]

its jus a pve skill build

[hexed steppe]

Add capacitor for an extra 60% skill damage

I personally use force multiplier a lot but with the long turret drone uptime you would be better served with tech support talent

[strange wigeon]

legendary, countdown, control points ?

[pastel shard]

id say mostly leg n control points

[hexed steppe]

I use something like this for turret/drone
Emperors guard not needed tho, this is just purpose built for myself

[acoustic coral]

mostly used in pvp - nbb coupled with oreo - afaik. other than that @proven orbit is the memester with a nbb build

[strange wigeon]

yeah then def switch to capacitor for control points, for legendary scorp can be nice to help your teammates, but also depends on your teammates builds

[hazy steeple]

brb, washing my eyes after having to read "memester".

[acoustic coral]

How does the Honey Badger fare these days? Has to be one of my favourite ARs in div, but it used to be quite meh iirc

[acoustic coral]

boomer ai

[ancient dune]

in terms of burst dps it's near the bottom in comparison to other ARs but it's really accurate and the difference between most ARs is pretty small so you should use it if you like it

[hazy steeple]

It wins "most likely to be mistaken for a named item".

[exotic saddle]

Technically, wouldn't Ouroboros be a good combo with the Achilles Pulse?

[hazy steeple]

Ouroboros is strong if you strapped 3 napkins to yourself and ran at the BT.
It's stupidly broken.

[ancient dune]

ouroboros is certainly not a very high damage per shot weapon

[exotic saddle]

I still believe Kingbreaker and Eagle Bearer are better

[acoustic coral]

good shout, might try fitting it in when I revert back to my AR phase.

[hexed steppe]

Reg must be too fun atm

[hazy steeple]

They're better if you physically throw them at an enemy, because they're heavier with more sharp edges.

by that metric though, BK is the strongest gun in the game.

[acoustic coral]

Rivens out here with the ANNA cosplay this morning

[hexed steppe]

Looking at this again I think I'll have to add palisades knee for the extra aok

[hazy steeple]

The fact that what I just described hasn't been in any Doom game yet is tragic.

[exotic saddle]

If i'm not mistaken, with Ouroboros, any status effect you get inflicted with, half your mag becomes bullets with said Status Effect.

If you use Ouroboros with max Achilles Pulse and Headshot + Crit build.

You get 3 zones that act as headshot since the way Achilles Pulse work is that on said zones, it applies your characters's headshot dmg to it, meaning with Ouroboros Status infliction, you could, for exemple apply bleed by shooting one of the zone and deal headshot dmg at the same time.

Very broken...

[ancient dune]

i don't have an aces piece on hand to replace my last hotshot with but u could cook something truly terrible with it 👍

[exotic saddle]

Man, I want that Memento Backpack

[hazy steeple]

The talent on Ouro doesn't exist, it's there to try and trick you into thiking that it doesn't need a nerf.

[acoustic coral]

Yes and no. Depends how many pixels I want to aim for on the day. Determined is still my belowed, because it's more CS Sniping for me.

[exotic saddle]

Does Memento come with max dmg and armor cores?

[hazy steeple]

It's like how some butterflies have super bright colours despite being not poisonous.

[hazy steeple]

You can potentially get a godroll, yes.

[exotic saddle]

:0

Tbh, i'm blitzing the SHD watch so i'm gaining levels so fast

Guess Ima have to farm Summit...

[ancient dune]

why bother when you could just shoot them in the head though; achilles is only really good for doing a really big chunk of damage on a single weak spot

[limpid thicket]

whats the best way of getting st. elmo's engine currently? been farming countdown with targeted loot with no success...

[exotic saddle]

At Max Skill Tier, Achilles gives you 3 spot to shoot

[acoustic coral]

sacrificing your first born to lootcifer

[ancient dune]

they vanish after getting shot once

[limpid thicket]

ahhh.. i already sold my kidneys, now i gotta sell my baby?

[ancient dune]

so you gain 3 bullets with extra headshot multiplier if you hit all 3 spots which is really not much

[acoustic coral]

first born, a virgin and a lamb are among the BiS sacrifices to lootcifer

[limpid thicket]

ahh forgot about lamb, already sacrificed a virgin though...

[acoustic coral]

your hand doesn't count

[limpid thicket]

AHH MAN

[exotic saddle]

If you want to be Cancer in PVP, you can always go double emp with the scanner emp and launcher emp.

If you do it right, you can keep peoples always EMP'ed

[acoustic coral]

but yeah, nah, exotic cache or if you wanna run at it solo:

Randoms or friends, it doesn't matter

If Lincoln does not have the right targeted loot, farm open world targeted loot instead.
Pick your favourite Heroic CP4 in the area.

Farm this Heroic CP4 with as few people as you can manage. (this lets you clear faster and kill Named enemies
more often)
If you have friends who will drop the exotic for you, farm it with them.

Every time you clear the CP4, reset all control points to hostile to do it again immediately.
Every time you reset, immediately call for nearby allies so that you are able to respawn on them."```

[strange wigeon]

that doesnt seem useful, you sacrafice so much dmg/util for that, and gain almost nothing from that. People are just going to beam you in 0.5 seconds

[exotic saddle]

Wouldn't targeted Backpack Loot on Heroic in Summit also work?

[acoustic coral]

Not if you're trying to get the St. Elmo's Summit also works, my experience with summit is just a low amount of loot drops - even running legendary with 150% extra xp from directives (so about 7)

[exotic saddle]

Rn, for my PvP build skill, i'm running the Hive with Shrapnel Trap, simply because both inflict bleed and I have a skill that inflict said status effect to anyone within 8m of the guy who got it first

• I believe any status effect prevents peoples from aiming and slows them so it makes it easier to shoot em

[solar berry]

this build is nasty in pvp. i love it

[vestal ibex]

Bleed is a small tick and affects move speed only.

[exotic saddle]

Well, RNJesus has been kind to me, cuz I pulled 2 Exotics from the Summit today

[vestal ibex]

You can still aim just fine.

[exotic saddle]

Why Blue gear tho?

[stiff jasper]

What's wrong with you thinking about crit on bighorn

[solar berry]

whats wrong with crits??

[solar berry]

its not actually blue its a color blind setting

[exotic saddle]

Oh

Doesn't seem like it

[strange wigeon]

make stuff look a lot better (even when you are not colorblind)

[solar berry]

i use it for skills lines

[vestal ibex]

Well two pcs gear set is questionable even here.

You give up two attributes.

[stiff jasper]

Why bighorn and crit?
Why gunner ?
Why fernis but vector?
Wtf

[exotic saddle]

Would be neat if Ubi made a manhunt where due to some weird reason, we have to go Rogue to infiltrate a Rogue Agent Cell to kill them

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, exotics are always RNJesus, personally I prefer just running around in the open world, clearing objectives.
Legendary Summit with 7 directives, spent a good chunk last night for hotshot in there, didn't get close to good rolls lol

[solar berry]

just becasue i dont like meta build, dosent mean its bad ok

im sorry

[strange wigeon]

Should I make a website where you can easily look up gear, I know there is the spreadsheet, but its not as convenient

[acoustic coral]

you better apologize to the fun police while you're at it /s

[vestal ibex]

I like builds that don't make sense and if I see any sort of success then they good is what I just read.

[exotic saddle]

Average Meta Build🤓 vs Non-Meta Build🗿

[solar berry]

im sorry im not the best in life at making an OP pvp build that meets your requirements ok

[acoustic coral]

How is it not convenient?
Outside of that, there's the MX build site that has all the gear - still getting updated to TU20 afaik tho

[stiff jasper]

Why meta calls meta because it is better than other build which with same purpose

[solar berry]

try the build out and see for yourself

[exotic saddle]

The real fun begins when you manage to dominate in pvp with a completely non meta build against the Ouroboros cancerfest

[vestal ibex]

You can make non meta and it make sense tho.

[stiff jasper]

You don't like meta, it's fine
But it absolutely bad in pvp because it have worse performance

[solar berry]

fuh why do everyone in this server always shit on a good build.

[acoustic coral]

pinches your lips shhhh

[vestal ibex]

lol

I wish we could have more memes

[strange wigeon]

no build in search, need to scroll vertically and horizontally, no description on how to get the gear, need to switch between multiple sheets

[acoustic coral]

How to get gear: Read FAQ, if you haven't read and understood the FAQ, then you won't understand what you put on your website either.
Sheets & the browser has a search function.
MX also has a search function This one
I'm not trying to shit on your creativity, go for it, I'm a developer myself, but I'm also a Techno-Anthropologist - I question the actual need/demand

[acoustic coral]

we definitely need 1-2 channels that is "outside of Ubi/MSV moderation" - still has to follow common rules, but let us use emotes and post memes xD

[fair quiver]

Question is the ceska bag necessary for its crit chance or no?

[stiff jasper]

Ok let me explain
You using 2hb and it have total 15ar damage and 2 attributes
For example I use fox and contract to replace 2hb, I have 8dta 8 ooc and 2 attributes
I have more damage than you for sure
I get more damage with lose nothing, then, why 2hb?

[strange wigeon]

1. By now I know how to get gear, but I didnt when I started. e.g. FAQ wont tell you that Cayotes is a drop from a mission, had to look that up in the wiki
2. MX is great in theory, but feels weird to use + isnt really a database to lookup, but more something to see dmg numbers = more confusing for new people
3. end of the day, I even if nobody uses it, would be fun just to make 🤷

[stiff jasper]

You lose damage for nothing, this is not only about meta or non meta, it is mathematics

[acoustic coral]

outside of that, the discussion is always pointless. Before resolve I was watching a YT build video, based around the Iron Lung and Ongoing Directive - build is very meh when you don't have a GE buff like Guardian/Golden Bullet - but it fairs well with it. Could I use my strikers and melt them quicker? Yes. Do I need to for Heroic 4/5D? No, not at all. I had my own fun with it.

[solar berry]

why dont you run 6pc golds? why dont you run this or that? why dont you use this or that? what is the point of your build?? why is it like that? run my build because its better? everyone is so angry about something or always questioning. calm down. please and thank you. if i have a question about my build ill ask it. so far im doing flawlessly with my build. i did other testing as well. im not dumb nor slow.

[acoustic coral]

(before we go any further, I'm usually with you, I think people sometimes hate just to hate - but you did post in a channel called build-advice)

[solar berry]

its a build. fine ill post it in community channel instead. is that better for you then

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but you've got to define a point in the sand and say this is the bad line. You can use a much worse build then you'd think and still get the job done but at what point do you say that's enough rainbow and nonsense.

[stiff jasper]

He will tell you clam down🤭

[flint wave]

my view is i see no point(even for fun) making a worse build if it doesn't make you play differently

Or do anything differently

[vestal ibex]

I personally think if you attach a description like "this build is nasty in PvP" and half of it doesn't make sense you've kinda pulled a YouTuber move.

[acoustic coral]

1. Coyote's is still faster to farm with Targeted Loot rather than killing Coyote in the mission. That's due to how the loot roll math works. If you farm the mission, you only get a chance for the item to drop on the boss kill. If you farm mask targeted loot, on every TL drop there's a chance for the exotic to drop.
2. True, MX is a bit more "late" game experience wise.
3. I totally agree, I'm just asking the 'hard' questions so you may use it in the design process. If you make a page that's a good mix between MX, the FAQ and has the stats from the sheet (rather than you inputting it yourself) - I think that could be pretty nice.

[acoustic coral]

Why are you mad at me now, I've literally been on your side the whole way - I'm just pointing at what channel we're in lmao

[strange wigeon]

yeah, I dont just want to steal all the work the spreadsheet people did. Might need to find a way to ask for permission

[solar berry]

sorry. ill just post my builds in community channel for now on so cant say it says "build-advice" anymore. but yet they will still question and tell me what to use still.'

foxes and contractors isnt always the best just saying. metah builds or gear is honestly lame and boring to run.

[stiff jasper]

@solar berry dude, I am also a people that love to research and make something that non meta,

some time I does make some build that are changing whole pvp meta,

but some time I make shitbuild also, just like you right now

At least I can face my failure, then improve the build or delete the build, but not keep lie myself "this build is work"

[acoustic coral]

You could always hit up the author's somewhere (either here or elsewhere) and talk with them about the project. I'm sure they would be more than interested. After all, the spreadsheet AND the MX site is created out of passion for the game.

[versed summit]

well two piece heartbreaker is never the best lol.

[flint wave]

[solar berry]

its performing better than foxes and contractors on this build

[strange wigeon]

yeah, Im going to work on a MVP first, and then ask. Just fill it with one or two gear sets for now

[stiff jasper]

How, show me your mathematics thx

[versed summit]

aint no way

[solar berry]

sorry its a shit build because it didnt meet your human knowledge

[vestal ibex]

No way he'll back up that claim

[flint wave]

8% dta and dtoc vs 15% ar damage

[solar berry]

anyways im done. bye. this is getting no where but do this the whole time. #td2-build-advice message

[vestal ibex]

Still waiting on the god aim clip considering 2 cm/360

[acoustic coral]

It's very, very important to distinguish solo vs group play in this whole dynamic. Aswell as remembering fun is a subjective manner. But I also feel like this discussion is diverging in different threads and away from the point I was trying to make.

[stiff jasper]

before you start your mathematics, I have responsibilities to remind you
You can only get 7% each weapon damage from your spec tree in pvp
Friendly enough right?

[solar berry]

when did i say i have god aim?

[flint wave]

assuming max watch and max wd roll on ur gun + specialization ur already starting with %40 weapon damage before you add anything

[ancient dune]

A good player can make even a bad build perform brother you are just very good at what you do 👼

[flint wave]

@acoustic coral u muted?

[acoustic coral]

No no, just testing the limits as to what auto mod catches lmao

[flint wave]

kas

[acoustic coral]

You running 20K DPI?

[vestal ibex]

So funny thing we keep using "high" and "low" sense to describe sensitivity but these are just words right like what is a factual number that defines them. TIL that most of the gaming community considers 15-20cm/360 "high" and about 40-80cm/360 and lower to be "low" with 25ish-35ish being the normal kind of range. Once you get to 10cm/360 or faster people start wondering if you are mentally okay.

[solar berry]

#ask-td2-community message heres a small pve clip

happy now?

[vestal ibex]

I mean it proves this [point](#td2-general-chat message) I guess.

[solar berry]

i posted another clip for you

[fair quiver]

@solar berry tried out the build in PvP and had fun with it ty for sharing 🙏🏾

[stiff jasper]

Seems he is gone and ready to burn all mathematics homework so let me calculate for my boy

According his build, fox and contractors give him total 15.85454545% increase

2hb bonus is 15ar damage and 15 lmg damage but he can use 1 weapon same time

So he need minus weapon damage to make 2 hb work

[acoustic coral]

I know this isn't really build-advice, but I want to continue that with information and a fun anecdote aswell.
CS:GO pros averages around 45-55cm/360, some higher, some lower. I think I landed somewhat around there last time I played CS.
In the Division I have about 40cm/360 un-scoped, but I think it doubles to that while scoped - which is different to CS where I have the same scoped vs unscoped, but that's due to how the games differ.

Now my fun anecdote, well I've ran 400 DPI on my Razer Naga for the longest time, switched to 600 DPI a few years ago #gettingold - when I was working IT-Support the company I was at was very supporting, so they let me get a Razer Naga (much better for my hand, even the ergonomic logitech mice wasn't good). I then had the 400 DPI, because I'm used to it and like the precision. Whenever a coworker came over and had to show me something on my pc, maybe an issue, it could be anything really, it was the funniest thing to observe their face as they tried to use to mouse.
It would legitimately look like their brain lagged. "Is the mouse even connected", "Am I even moving the pointer" and stuff like that. Oh good times.

[stiff jasper]

Find some weak and rainbow build to kill then it is t1 build

[fair quiver]

Am I not allowed to enjoy it? I’m just being appreciative of them because I’m having fun with something they made

[solar berry]

you like it? i love it tbh. even tho its not "best" to some people

[fair quiver]

Yea ofc it’s not the best but it’s something that’s usable and simple

I changed bighorn for EB but other than that it’s a good build to me 🤷🏾‍♂️

[solar berry]

i just like the raw dps with alot of arm. crits is really good in general. crits also increase hsd even futher than just stacking hsd all the way

i love eb with it also

[fair quiver]

Literally the perfect mix of raw damage + crits

[solar berry]

yea

same dps even if they are in cover. xD

[fair quiver]

I’ve got dmg to targets on my EB so whenever someone is in cover I just EMP sticky them

But nah bro great build and thanks for sharing 🙏🏾

[stiff jasper]

Imagine stay cover in pvp
Good fighting noob

[true thunder]

Everyone pray for my recalibration station to work when I try to make a build 🙏 amen

[tawdry flare]

What about staying out of bounds during PvP

[shy willow]

511 man has had a rebrand

[tawdry flare]

pretty sure Yannick is gonna nerf 511

[acoustic coral]

He's gonna nerf you specifically. Gonna be resetting you to a new account

[stiff jasper]

Pvpers "stand" behind cover but not stay in cover

[tawdry flare]

there must be wall glitching in PvP though?

[stiff jasper]

?

[tawdry flare]

i meant the weirrd bug when you can see through the walls in game

and shoot through them

[stiff jasper]

One of the reasons but it not really bug, you can see through wall in some angle with any 3rd views games

[shy willow]

A lot of games have systems in place to block the view though

[tawdry flare]

yeah

[stiff jasper]

Shoot through is causing by scope aim and character models problem

[gentle lichen]

Popshot is about the only thing that utilises cover in pvp

[fair quiver]

Maybe because you’re on PC but on console I see a lot of people in cover sometimes 🤷🏾‍♂️

[gentle lichen]

I am on console and cover pvp isn't a thing

[stiff jasper]

Lot of game doesn't block it also, for example, pubg, dbd

[gentle lichen]

Unless you like your enemy to hit your easily

[shy willow]

Am also on console and can confirm nobody uses the actual stick to cover prompt

[fair quiver]

I’ve seen it a lot tbh

[gentle lichen]

You've seen bad pvpers then

[shy willow]

It's better to stand behind cover and angle yourself to minimise the amount they can shoot at

[fair quiver]

Ik but not everyone you come across is gonna be god tier good, I just got outta a game with shd lvl 5’s on my team and they were sticking cover

[fair quiver]

Yea that’s something you should do in a 3rd person shooter 😂

[shy willow]

Yeah not actually stick to cover

[gentle lichen]

So use a mid build and hope your enemy isn't good?

[fair quiver]

Ik im not new I’ve played since launch

[fair quiver]

No? If it’s fun and actually competing with the meta I’m gonna use it

[gentle lichen]

Competing with meta

[shy willow]

Fun and competing with the meta should be separated

[gentle lichen]

What sort of ungodly statement is this

[shy willow]

Once you get into meta builds and shit it gets real boring real fast

[stiff jasper]

Are you competing with meta, or you just fighting with meta

[shy willow]

Was there some kind of build pic I missed

[fair quiver]

Can I not just enjoy a build? 😭

[gentle lichen]

I also don't understand why use meta and not use meta if you're just going to shoot but with higher numbers on meta

[shy willow]

Sure you can but it's not gonna compete with other builds that accomplish the same thing much better

[gentle lichen]

Your build will NOT compete with this

[gentle lichen]

Enjoy whatever you do but don't cry when meta players farm you

[stiff jasper]

9/150🤡

[fair quiver]

Why would I it’s just video game I play for my entertainment at the end of the day

[gentle lichen]

If entertainment is playing with subpar builds for you go ahead

Everyone has their own version of fun

[tawdry flare]

i made a dz build too what do you think

[onyx sage]

idk about you but i'd find problems with myself if i just keep dying over and over to other players because i use slightly worse builds

[stiff jasper]

Where is entertainment come from when you get farm only and do nothing

[shy willow]

The DZ is an unfriendly place

[slate nest]

almost 10.000
damn

[shy willow]

You'll just get farmed

[stiff jasper]

Sorry but not good enough too

[tawdry flare]

reminds me of these 2 builds i completed tidal basin with people running these builds pick one

[gentle lichen]

Made this as well.
2 tapping players like it's hot

[covert meadow]

@gentle lichen how do you two tap? What triggers this? I like your build, I'd like to try it. Is it all chd or chc?

[gentle lichen]

Headshot

[covert meadow]

Oh ok 👍

[pastel shard]

How much damage is this

[magic pilot]

Grupo holster, blue core gloves, fix the attribute on holster

[magic pilot]

You can 2 tap with crit shotguns too

My shotgun build

Disregard

[covert meadow]

@magic pilot I had a regulus build, but either I was getting in to close or I wasn't strong enough, even though I had full rolls on the pieces.

I think that build maybe partially good for hostages, or territory, but when I got to control points I seemed to get over ran quick

[magic pilot]

His is specifically for pvp

[pallid jasper]

would capping my crit chance be better than assault rifle damage?

[magic pilot]

Depends on the build

[covert meadow]

Ohh see, that's issue right there, I play pve only, is there a build similar to that for pve

[pallid jasper]

this build, working on it but not sure if getting crit cap would be better as i need to change my chest

[magic pilot]

Ceska chest

[pastel shard]

anyone know?

[tulip charm]

You heal the enemy.

[pastel shard]

i hope thats a joke

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stiff orbit]

Making a support EP build and i’m really conflicted on what to swap out. Trying to fit a intimidate chest piece but don’t know if i’d rather take away coyote mask and rely on vindicate for 60% crit chance or if keeping the EP chest piece would fit better in terms of support.

[onyx sage]

it's not entirely a joke

[pastel shard]

huh

[onyx sage]

back in the day you actually could deal negative damage and heal bosses back from the dead and kill them again

not with the turret though

[stiff orbit]

that sounds fake, i’ll brb. Gonna look it up on youtube

[onyx sage]

it's the turret glitch

not the turret skill, but the mounted gun

[tulip charm]

Ah good ol turret damage glitch

[onyx sage]

people got rolled back over it. i'm not gonna lie about it for no reason

[tulip charm]

I know people were mad about it because ads were bullet sponges back then

[stiff orbit]

why should i trust a random person on the internet. I’m not a aunt in their 50s

[tulip charm]

And used that as a reason to justify doing it (I did it once)

[onyx sage]

i mean it's a thing to not be too gullible and another to just straight up express distrust at anything remotely bizarre. it's the attitude

[tulip charm]

Those few months after wony release was funny.

[stiff orbit]

buddy, you said bringing back bosses after killing them

who tf wouldn’t want proof?

[onyx sage]

ofc anyone would want proof but saying it's fake without knowing it's fake sounds... you know

[tulip charm]

Also What are you trying to do? support while doing damage?

[onyx sage]

accusatory

[stiff orbit]

it’s a countdown build i was testing and the damage with scorpio in your hand is able to kill heroic countdown enemies

and it’s not hard to activate vindicate with the p90s rate of fire

[tulip charm]

You’re not going to kill anything in heroic cd with a support build.

Unless you kill steal or cd buff.

[stiff orbit]

i don’t need your approval, it’s already been done

[sudden cloak]

Done solo or with a full 8 stack?

[stiff orbit]

why would i be in countdown by myself?

[sudden cloak]

I've seen crazier things

[stiff orbit]

it’s not hard to matchmake and get 8 people. That’s literally how the game works

[tulip charm]

Idk man you’re trying to do too much with that build

[stiff orbit]

i wanted a different play style. Why do you think i care about your approval?

i asked for help making something new

not your approval on using it

[sudden cloak]

I have an eclipse protocol build I use for wony runs but not sure how it'd do in cd

[onyx sage]

i'd say intimidate is a really strong damage talent if you got the bonus armor and strong with the recent buff, but i sort of echo others in saying you'd find most value on it on dps builds

if you value support then go with EP chest, otherwise intimidate's 43% amp is strong

[stiff orbit]

fair, tho i don’t really find that this build has an issue on dps because of scorpio being in your hands majority of the time

and i don’t know if this was a bug or not, but for some reason vindicate was activating while not using the p90

[onyx sage]

were you killing warhounds or minitanks that don't die immediately on 0 hp and had a status applied?

[stiff orbit]

tho the chest piece i’m playing on it is a armor skill haz pro skill haste w/ intimidate

armor core increases bonus armor from galvanized

[stiff orbit]

eh no, i was more concerned about taking out rushers. A few head shots from scorpio was enough to handle elite rushers by myself without worrying

i’m not expecting myself to do a ton of damage overall but enough to break weak points and take out regular elites so i can spread status

[pastel shard]

im runnin a HF n i was thinking about using the ororororo n a F2000 what tal do yall think i should use on the F2000
or if there are any shotgun recs ill take em
i plan on using it for leg summit n maybe countdown

[stiff orbit]

AC-12 is a personal favorite of mine.

[pastel shard]

ty

[clever merlin]

Is flatline still amp damage or just flat weapon damage now?

[surreal depot]

amp

[clever merlin]

was it nerfed or not after project resolve?

[versed summit]

technically. It takes one more kill to proc pulse on someone. thats a non issue though

[clever merlin]

cause i see people on reddit saying its nerfed after the patch but i thought they reverted the changes from PTS

[ancient dune]

Nah nothing changed in the pts either

Actually has anyone checked if it's additive to spotter or heartbreaker now

Just out of curiosity

[lyric prism]

4p Striker, ceska chest/contractors. not worth for the dta over a grupo piece bc of the chc mods you have to run?

[ancient dune]

If you're running lmgs it's worth it

[lyric prism]

yea I tend to, ok

just something I'm playing with

[ancient dune]

You can compensate for the crit rate with an LMG with a CHC attribute

[lyric prism]

yea just trying it out seems to work but 2 chc rolls or mods just feels weird.

[warm socket]

I fr need a good pvp Build..

[magic pilot]

Coyotes beats contractors on striker wven with lmg

[lyric prism]

yea that is what I'm seeing in the numbers

ran stranded tanker twice. the standard config just seems to put out better numbers.

[magic pilot]

Slightly better but still

[normal sundial]

What is the mask and holster here ?

[rich lotus]

4pc striker + perfect glass cannon chest + coyote's
4pc striker + foxes's knee pad + coyote's

Full stacked, anyone knows which one does more damage?

[magic pilot]

Ceska chest and coyotes mask

[tulip charm]

Groupo mask and sokolovo holster

[normal sundial]

cheers , is there a catch to identifiing them or you jsut gotta know how they look ?

[tulip charm]

The brand logo in the background

[warm socket]

I texted you

[copper holly]

Got a question you can't optimise two items on a piece of gear right?

[lyric prism]

optimize their numbers yes, change two to other stats, no

subjective but a GR9 w/ steady handed and a rof mod is a fun thing.

that is with strikers.

but also 2 blue cores.

[warm socket]

Anyone wanna help me farm for a good pvp Build?

[lyric prism]

farm or recommend?

farm, selective loot on countdown.

[copper holly]

Ok what about if I recalibrate one attribute could I still optimise the other two attributes

[lyric prism]

yes

[copper holly]

Does it have to be max profiency item to do that or does that not matter

[warm socket]

Oooh ty

Where is countdown

[lyric prism]

to recalibrate a specific stat you need the higher stat. to optimize I think you need the maxed out stat to make it worth it.

if you don't have the higher stat yet, build your library

[lyric prism]

Matchmaking -> Countdown. do Challenging.

[warm socket]

Ty kind sir

[lyric prism]

when you get there, open the map, select the loot selection, select what you want by brand/gear set/type and gl. do a few runs. follow the herd of people. watch out for the hunters at the end.

[copper holly]

Ok so I've some holsters none of the stats were max and one attribute needed changing so I put chd on it instead of armour regen, the other two attributes were the ones I wanted to optimise but it only let's me optimise the weapon damage not the chc

And I'm a idiot nvm mind me you were right I didn't have chc for holster...

I thought i did

[lyric prism]

then your library does not have a maxed out chc

or you are trying to do it to a named holster that won't allow it.

or a level 30 max chc, not 40.

[copper holly]

Damn i must of got rid of a few max chc holsters

Nope It's not named

No you were right like I said, I don't have chc in my library for holsters

[lyric prism]

ok. another good thing countdown is good for. select holsters and farm away. you need max stats you want for each piece of gear to put in the library.

[copper holly]

Yh

It was just a mistake on my part

[lyric prism]

only works on the one piece, no crossing over so its a lot of farming but helps.

[warm socket]

How do i farm materials to recalibrate gear

[sudden cloak]

We do wony runs in my clan, 1 lvl40 3 lvl30s, finish new York in about an hour a half use the watch points and delete the character to make another, rinse and repeat as many times as needed

Prioritize gear skill tiers over red and blue cores

[lyric prism]

thats good, Reactor didn't give us the last two generator points to click until 20secs left.

[gentle lichen]

@magic pilot

62 round capacitor
May replace fenris and grupo for foxes' and hollowman

[lyric prism]

why

[magic pilot]

Looks fun

Keep grupo change out fenris

[upper patrol]

Does a secundary weapon give the stats even when using the main one? like a stat tick

[rich lotus]

Some do some doesn't

[upper patrol]

Assuming i got this lefty has a second weap, does the out of coaver count?

[normal sundial]

Dumb question say I recalibrate an armor with crit hit chacne but in the library I don't have it maxed out yet. If I eventually get it maxed can I recalibrate again the same stat ?

[versed summit]

You can recalibrate the same stat over and over. So yes.

[normal sundial]

Perfect, thanks !

[hexed steppe]

No. A couple talents activate on kill/hits and/or weapon switch, but none of the attributes will be active when not in hand

[upper patrol]

ok thx

[upper patrol]

Is this worth to max the core? or just keep grinding for another one?

[wise swallow]

just recall it

if CHD is what yourr looking for on the 3rd attribute

fucking diumbass r key jittering

[upper patrol]

it's for an 1886 HS damage build, critical will not be used

[upper patrol]

btw recall? what is that

Oh lol recalibrate xD nevermind

[empty tapir]

best easy build for someone coming back after two years?

[lyric prism]

Strikers is still Strikers. can always run Heartbreaker for the buffer until you get used to getting shot again

many AR's got a buff. F2000 is a good thing.

[hexed steppe]

depends on what your preferred gameplay is. striker suggested above will pull you through anything.

if you want to feel like a wizard look into fire or cc eclipse

turret/drone if you feel like setting back.
same with a sniper build.

check out the spreadsheet pinned in this channel, hub (builds) tab and youll find tested builds

messed around and added palisades to my turret/drone for 20% aok. mop also for up to 30%aok.

[wise ravine]

what set should i use for a dz pvp build

[copper holly]

Guys what's the best perk for acs 12

Talent with striker set

[lyric prism]

fast hands does not hurt.,

[copper holly]

Anything else

I've got some good roles but talents are flatline reformation

[hazy steeple]

Flatline can work with the right chest talent.

[copper holly]

It's just gonna be to build up stacks that's the problem

[hazy steeple]

If it's just a "buiild stacks" thing, Fast Hands is the strongest right now.

[strange wigeon]

lefty is always an option, get that extra util from sledgehammer when playing in a group

[lyric prism]

stop with the lefty thing

[copper holly]

Haha

[hazy steeple]

Lefty is a good choice, but it does require some tweaks to your build to fully utilise.

[hexed steppe]

left best stack option, 100

[lyric prism]

yea like AI that doesn't conveniently leap roll out of the grenade zone...bc the timer is longer..

[hazy steeple]

Shoot them in the legs after you drop it, stumbles them.

[lyric prism]

I do that and it works sometimes...idk, animation not stopping? just annoyed me

[strange wigeon]

well, its never meant be used as a main weapon, just throw a nade, build your stack until it explodes, then pull out your elmos or ouro, and enjoy the extra DMG

[hazy steeple]

Or do what I do and just run Mad Bomber on the chest.
note: do not do that, im weird.

[solar berry]

200% chd on ouro xD

[copper holly]

So any other talent guys instead of fast hands 😂😂😂

[hazy steeple]

I know you've tried Fast Hands, but have you tried Fast Hands?

[lyric prism]

I have been meaning to try mad bomber.

[solar berry]

we have 511 brand in this discord xD

[hazy steeple]

Mad Bomber is a very dumb playstyle that I absolutely adore.
getting the "cooking" just right so it nukes an entire group before they can roll is magical.

I velcro'd it to my HF build and rarely change it out.

btw cheers 'deck, gonna try out that AoK build.

[gentle lichen]

If hitting them with a grenade is a nuke then they're cockroaches

[upper patrol]

This a good one for 1886?

mainly going around with directives + heroic and shooting things

[shy willow]

Replace the headshot damage on the rifle with dttooc

And replace all the crit rolls with weapon handling

1886 handles like ass

[upper patrol]

dtooc?

[shy willow]

Damage to targets out of cover

[upper patrol]

got it sorry

[tidal valve]

i want that build :/

[shy willow]

But why

[solar berry]

ceska can be replaced to something else instead

CHD is on every piece and mods as well

[upper patrol]

how lucky does one need to be to get maxed out mods for the gear? i only get shit ones

[solar berry]

higher difficultly drops attributes % higher, directives help also and its all RNG

[tawdry raven]

I weirdly got all my max chc Chd mods fairly early then never got more

[shy willow]

Spam proficiency caches at the textile vendor and pray you get gear mods

It's dropping full god rolled shit rn

[tawdry raven]

Wonder if they'll nerf that

They shouldn't tho

[shy willow]

It doesn't seem intended but I'd love if it's there to stay

[tawdry raven]

It'd be the only reason to buy the prof caches

[flint wave]

they shouldn't nerf the proficiency caches

[shy willow]

Everyone who can afford to buy as much as they can probably don't need any of it

[solar berry]

i doubt it, since we spend money in the game and get textiles

[flint wave]

I have mountains of textiles waiting to be unboxed

[solar berry]

also me with 60k textiles xD

[copper holly]

There's only 4 u can get per week *

[tawdry raven]

Got like 20k

[copper holly]

?

[solar berry]

i unboxed my 480 caches and got 40k from it

[tawdry raven]

Woulda been nice if there was a bug to buy with alt characters heh

[shy willow]

And for everyone who can't afford it's pretty balanced

Hell it's balanced anyway considering limited stock

Praying for PFE mods🤞

[solar berry]

tbh im good for danny for about 60 weeks xD

[flint wave]

ong

5 chances every week for a max pfe

[tawdry raven]

I feel like it's gotta be intentional, im pretty sure the prof cache from the seller is a separate cache

Cuz it's green rarity

[shy willow]

Yeah curiously they're green

[copper holly]

Still need to open my 200 apparel caches...

[shy willow]

🙏

[solar berry]

you will get about 20k worth

i wish they increased the health boost from watch. would be nice in general

set of 60k maybe... 120k instead

or more. mainly for pvp to increase ttk abit more. health builds will be more amazing and tank builds in general

[shy willow]

Project health was not enough even for health

[solar berry]

the massive bonus health boost from brandsets is nice but we have to use so much of them in our builds

also when your arm breaks. its bearly any Hitpoints left

[hazy steeple]

Is there really that much of a difference between 60k and 120k health in the long run?

[solar berry]

it will make the health boost more worth it from brand sets

Div2 already have a survivability problem in PvP since wony dropped. and the whole gear system revamped from the old system.

i really really do miss the old system for pvp. it was fun and enjoyable due to long ttks. now its all about short ttks

Y1 was more like Div1. the best times

[lyric prism]

randomed into a leg DUA, we made it. Bighorn with that.

I didn't have one

what do I use with that for a set?

[tidal valve]

cool, thanks

[solar berry]

no prob. some of the chc mods can be replaced as well. its just the chd on every slot including mods

as long you reach 50% chc or more is great. since its smg focused chc is really easy to reach

[strange wigeon]

is there a difference between 'weapon damage' and 'total weapon damage' ?

[flint wave]

they are separate multipliers from each other

[strange wigeon]

similar to how DTOC works ?

[lyric prism]

yes

[sudden fog]

Where

[lavish badger]

I like it)
Share your secret (build photo) 😁

[torpid gulch]

Intimidate + Memento is nasty.

[glossy scarab]

yeaah that build wrecks

[shy willow]

Find fhe snitch and itll reveal where the vendor is

[upper patrol]

good enough HS dmg?

[onyx sage]

hsd doesn't matter, more likely weapon damage matters more and the actual damage number matters most

[upper patrol]

I am using 1886 so that is the base damage of the weapon right?

Am i doing something wrong then?

[onyx sage]

no it's more the build

the brands and named items matter

[upper patrol]

following this, juts using a different backpack at the moment since i did not drop the gift yet

[vestal ibex]

Don't need a gift. It's just a prov vigi back with a 1 second faster of getting vigi back up if you've lost it.

[upper patrol]

this right?

[vestal ibex]

yurp only difference on the gift, which is DZ/named caches only btw, is 4s>3s

[upper patrol]

loool bro you saved me... i was grinding HARD on countdown

[vestal ibex]

Well hopefully you got some other good stuff out of it.

[upper patrol]

well yeah, also got credits for named cashes, could be worst

But also i want to grind for the regulus and was not target farming that stuff

[onyx sage]

it's iron horse only

have to do it and craft it from the project you get afterwards

[upper patrol]

i mean farming for the projects

[vestal ibex]

Yeah get your first IH run in before Tuesday to help cut some time off if you can.

[vestal ibex]

Oh he doing it. Ez yo

[onyx sage]

are we initiating another hhf member soon?

[vestal ibex]

I hope so lol

[upper patrol]

whO? xD

[onyx sage]

you

after you get regulus

[upper patrol]

ok but what is hhf?

[onyx sage]

headhunter's fury (hunter's fury with headhunter)

[vestal ibex]

This is what I run for it.

Tons of things you can mix up about it tho, skills, spec, backpack.

[upper patrol]

ah i see

saw some videos on regulus and holy shit i likde it

[vestal ibex]

What the damage is when fully stacked.

[upper patrol]

hmmm dang

[magic pilot]

Get your money up not your funny up

[upper patrol]

for the 1886 what mod you using?

[slate nest]

25% weapon damage 😭

[tawdry flare]

Who are the current members

[onyx sage]

everyone with regulus

[tawdry flare]

Cheaper than 20 expertise pre patch

[tawdry flare]

Ahh shouldn't it be everyone with Headhunter/DCH Regulus don't you think so ?

[shy willow]

DCH regulus users when they miss their first shot

[tawdry flare]

Real

[onyx sage]

don't want to exclude too many

[shy willow]

Im a proud HHF user

[onyx sage]

yessir

[tawdry flare]

People with D50 HHF don't count?

[onyx sage]

no

[shy willow]

HHF at home

[onyx sage]

once you get regulus making the build is easy

[tawdry flare]

Regulus is guaranteed loot

[onyx sage]

core requirement is regulus

so is the rest of the build

[tawdry flare]

@onyx sage @vestal ibex does pummel bugs for you guys too ?

[onyx sage]

yeah it's not working for me

cuz i'm not in the game yet

[tawdry flare]

Also the counter is bugged

[tawdry flare]

JK aside

[shy willow]

I’ve found that if I proc pummel on the last round it forces me to reload but the ammo counter refills

[tawdry flare]

That is known but sometimes it straight up doesn't work for me

[magic pilot]

Just shoot and stop the fake reload

[shy willow]

I didn’t even think about that

[magic pilot]

That's what I do lol

[tawdry flare]

You can force cancel it

[granite girder]

Question: why the hell do people like strikers over heartbreaker ???? Same buff but better for the heartbreaker....you just need to use tre technician specilization for the laser pointer and problem solved.

[vestal ibex]

This is because of the fix they implemented to stop the bug... One we didn't really talk about.

[shy willow]

Doesnt lock you to technician and push you to flatline

Also easier to build for damage as it rolls red

And will stack on more targets

And chest can be run in situations where you need even more damage

[vestal ibex]

HB does not compare to the DPS of strikers.

[granite girder]

Generaly yes but not in conflict

[tawdry flare]

It's not same

[vestal ibex]

"oh hey guys I'm talking about conflict where you can run 100% pulse resistance."

Invalidate HB in PVP with pulse resist builds idk it's not that great tbh

[granite girder]

Bruh i have yet to see someon with 100% pulse resistence

[shy willow]

Pulse res:

[shy willow]

And when you do your build is useless

[granite girder]

Que full crit build

And ourobors

[shy willow]

Then just run High end

[vestal ibex]

Wow a counter build to a counter build. Sounds like PVP...

[shy willow]

More crit values and no need to pulse and stack

[vestal ibex]

How this conversation has gone.
Best build ever!
Counter build?
NO another counter build!

Shall we make another circle?

[shy willow]

6 blue HB out dps 6 red striker

[tawdry flare]

Soul is in total mood to have fun

[vestal ibex]

Do you know the pummel bug I was referring to?

[tawdry flare]

Ahh I see

The fix to f**k reload

[vestal ibex]

The bug was that you could hold skills and pummel would activate after three kills.

So like OXY would be refreshed or whatever you had in hand as long as you had a shotgun with pummel in hand.

[tawdry flare]

Ahh I see

That is why cause I swap in between for my chems

So basically chems negates pummel

I observed it and I thought it was just being weird

[vestal ibex]

Yeah seems like pummel doesn't apply to skills anymore but something in the fix messed up other things. Pummel still seems to work fine for me but the indicator doesn't seem to count is the only thing I notice.

[tawdry flare]

Yup

[tawdry flare]

It messes up rock n roll Too

[vestal ibex]

RNR is just the ammo count bug thingy. It's making that gun less useful to me. I use it for the 30 round mag but I can't swap to the build and reload before the ad spawns so guess I'm just gonna lefty DTTOOC cause I want to use only 1 mag and I need to kill that ad in one mag. dum bugs yo.

[shy willow]

I switched to maiming lefty because of the ammo bug

[vestal ibex]

Yeah, if you wanna one mag stack there just isn't a reason to use RNR unless you have idle time to reload before stacking time comes.

[tawdry flare]

Acs 12 fast hands

[shy willow]

Im wondering when the spreadsheet wizards are gonna crunch the numbers on acs fast hands

[rocky rain]

What is this that prevents me from using my shield skill?

Is it from Memento bp?

[torpid gulch]

It's a directive.

[rocky rain]

Ah!! Thanks. Played a bit with them indeed. Pretty annoying

I don’t see the benefit from the Memento Talent. Only plus is the three cores imo. Any thought on this?

[rich cosmos]

Read the talent description again

Picking up the buffs give you multiple benefits

[hexed steppe]

Memento is really strong. It needs 30 kills/trophies to charge.. but long buff is 30%wd (2 red cores), 3% armor regen, and 30%skill efficiency (30% in all skill buckets)

Short buff scale with your core mix with more wd, bonus armor, and more skill efficiency

Efficiency is %
Skill damage
Status effects
Skill health (think shield health for this)
Skill duration
Skill repair
Skill haste

[rocky rain]

And for how long does the benefit last?

[shy willow]

5 whole ass minutes

And refreshed back to 5 minutes after every trophy

Its busted if youre playing solo

[hexed steppe]

5 minutes. After charged you only need 1 trophy every 5 mins for full refresh

Works just as well in groups if your build is strong

[rocky rain]

Ah, that I didn’t know. So after the 5 min the cooldown is 5 min or am I misinterpreting?

[hexed steppe]

No cooldown if you get a kill within* every 5 minutes and pick up the trophy. If you let it lapse you have to collect 30 trophy again. Really easy to maintain.

[rocky rain]

Ok that is cool indeed. Thanks!

So keep on killing 😂

[glossy scarab]

you can go as long as you want beyond 5 minutes as long as you keep refreshing the buff by picking up a trophy

[jolly knot]

whats a good umbra build

[acoustic coral]

Gotta love randomly getting a goated ceska chest while doing CD for marksman rifles

[tawdry flare]

You get what you don't farm for

[acoustic coral]

very true, because I'm not getting a good m700/SR-1

[shy willow]

I want this luck wtf

Its almost perfect too

[glossy scarab]

is .2% under max enough to be any different from max rolls? probly not

[acoustic coral]

I optimized that biash instantly and swapped the talent to obli - it's more than perfect, because the talent can always be swapped

[glossy scarab]

yeah gotta have those chests and bags with changeable talent

[acoustic coral]

stats looking sexyyyy, but that's with elmo's - I like the honey badger aswell, but just noticed I lack the 20% chc from elmo (10%, I'm a dumbass and didn't put the right weapon mods)

Missing DTTOC on my elmo's tho.

[glossy scarab]

oo that might be important. good luck

[dreamy valve]

Anyone here have a Lady death build?

[glossy scarab]

HF pairs well with lady death

[dreamy valve]

How about the Chest and backpack slots

[glossy scarab]

memento is good, but i prefer a sokolov and a grupo (or a 2nd pc of sokolov), obliterate and unstoppable force. or intimidate and memento or bloodsucker

for the best survivability go for memento i guess

[dreamy valve]

Yeah might try intimidate and memento

[upper patrol]

What kind of build is meta in conflict atm? want to give it a try but only got striker and HS 1886 lol

[dreamy valve]

You do love that 1886 huh

[upper patrol]

maybe 👀

[wise swallow]

imo, regen haz pro BH with efficient. Striker, mortar builds

[wise swallow]

imo with insta med kit and BH being good high armour efficient builds are king

striker ofc is still amazing

[magic pilot]

I was using these in 4 man stack, not sure how solo queuing goes lol

[wise swallow]

im not a fan of vigi and using tech on a none spotter build is kinda pointless

[wise swallow]

its even stronger solo

[magic pilot]

I don't like spotter, makes people swap to counter if you use flatline and spotter most of the time you can get away with just flatline without people trying to counter

Also not having UB or EF sucks

[wise swallow]

firewall medkit > flatline dmg

[magic pilot]

Conflict the medkits don't really matter imo

If you play as a team you can burn firewall anyway

[dull ermine]

Is the named adestria sr1 from tidal basin good

Or does it have a fixed talent / attribute

[wise swallow]

firewall med kit + insta is barely burstable in conflict. max stack striker ouro is the only thing thatll be able to burst you down

[magic pilot]

Didn't they fix that?

[wise swallow]

firewall med kit is for making plays not healing

[wise swallow]

uit was never a bug

[lyric prism]

fixed.

[wise swallow]

Ive also never seen anyone run pulse res to avoid spotter vigi

these are the 2 i use most

swap ceska in the second for prov or fen

and you can use emperors if you want more regen or foxes up to you

HSD, haz pro

first is basic crit striker use coyotes instead of picarios if you dont have coyote players already

this is fun if you can throw it together

its all CHC HSD

metador

I wouldn’t invest much in it if you don’t have the pieces

[magic pilot]

2 prov is a waste on crit

Picaros not bis on striker crit too

[wise swallow]

...

[wise swallow]

im aware

2 prov = 1 prov 1 ceska.
its the same thing

and this is only focussing on CHC and HSD

[magic pilot]

Even then picaros isn't a good option

[magic pilot]

Not worth speccing into both

[wise swallow]

We went over this before brother

I’m aware it’s not optimal, hence the “it’s fun, don’t invest too much into it if you don’t have the pieces”

It’s fun as a HSD build with efficient crit is there cuz there’s nothing else to spec into

[torpid gulch]

Was cleaning inventory and found this, lol.

[tawny belfry]

Give it to me

[fresh grove]

Please favorite it

[torpid gulch]

Already did! Thanks anyways

[torpid gulch]

If we could do that-

I have a feeling I got this from Conflict caches. Maybe give a chance to conflict from time to time haha

[glossy scarab]

you rly wanna mess with ppls emotions make a video of you un-favoriting it and marking it as junk

[torpid gulch]

I don't.

[glossy scarab]

dang. you just shut me down real good. well done

[fresh grove]

No problem

[solar berry]

#td2-build-advice message

[solar berry]

sheesh, i only have one 13% rest is 12% ones

[gloomy mural]

What's the best gear set for a lmg build

[tulip charm]

Pick a dps set and then your favorite lmg

[solar sable]

It could be Striker, Cèska or Grupo

[torpid gulch]

Same at the moment.

[gloomy mural]

Is it worth it to also spec into gunner for the lmg perks

[torpid gulch]

Iron Lung shreds. I would say it's the best LMG right now.

[gloomy mural]

I'm currently running bluescreen

[torpid gulch]

Only bad side is magsize

[torpid gulch]

It's a good one too!

[solar sable]

Yeah, you get 10% armor on kill, 10% ammo restock every X time, and damage amplifier

[gloomy mural]

Hands down sounds worth it, I also picked up pestilence today

Between the two exotic lmgs which is better

[torpid gulch]

For DPS I would suggest Iron Lung.

[gloomy mural]

What about for suppressing enemies

[torpid gulch]

There's nothing we can do about it 😄

That's one of the reasons why a lot of people don't favor LMG's in Division.

[gloomy mural]

I've always favored lmgs since d1

I'm a mix of a tank and laying down fire

[torpid gulch]

Yeah, only way you can get them out of surpression is by throwing grenades and using offensive skills.

[gloomy mural]

That's fair, I use the drone with my lmg to bait enemies out of cover

[glossy scarab]

nice thing about pestilence is the damage still ticks away at them while they're suppressed so its not a total waste of time waiting for them to pop back up

[torpid gulch]

but it's better with status effect build imo

[gloomy mural]

So something like eclipse protocol

[hazy steeple]

Isn't Pesti not actually a status effect?

[glossy scarab]

no i dont think it is

[hazy steeple]

Hits apply a debuff dealing 100% weapon damage over 10 seconds. This stacks up to 50 times.
Whenever an enemy dies with this debuff, all stacks are transferred to a nearby enemy within 25 meters."```
yeah there we go, weapon damage.

[solar berry]

its not SE

[torpid gulch]

With DPS build it's bad-

[hazy steeple]

Pesti is kinda (sadly) bad with pretty much any build, it's the "floor pizza" of div2.

[glossy scarab]

yeah. i build it for max tick dmg. its kinda fun letting 1.5 mil ticks pop around a room and take em out

[gloomy mural]

It looks cool just wish it could do more

[torpid gulch]

It's fun in Descent at least 😄

the talent I mean

[gloomy mural]

Bluescreen on the other hand melts everything

[hazy steeple]

The name is the worst part, since it implies that it's status.
"shootience". There we go, perfect rename.

[gloomy mural]

Thank you everyone for the advice

[fringe stratus]

what's any good striker build atm?

cos people tell me im using an outdated version

[hazy steeple]

What's your current version?

[fringe stratus]

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1v-iNvs9A3x7x_KIfxwE3pgHLNGRzC_v2ffpjtt3bQiQ/edit

i was following this one

[hazy steeple]

I mean that still 100% works, just if you want the absolute peak (read: boring) of meta, then Ouro and an AR in the secondary slot will be your go to.
the talent+chest brandset, and Coyotes is still fine.

[fringe stratus]

i see ty

wich ar tho

[hazy steeple]

It doesn't super matter, the idea is that since your Ouro is being used for stack building and is within the first buff range for Coyotes, you should get your CHC with the AR up to 50, meaning that your Ouro is closer to 60 but that's 100% fine.

as for the Talent, Strained is never a bad choice, or Fast Hands, Optimist as a 3rd place, Perfect if possible for that one.
check out the 📌 pinned-message > spreadsheet 2 > builds > striker. There's a list of amazing AR's in there.

[fringe stratus]

ty very much

and sorry for all the questions

[hazy steeple]

Don't apologise for asking questions, it's what we're here for

[dreamy valve]

What do you guys think of backpack with Concussion for a mmr Head hunter build

[hazy steeple]

generally speaking, people go for Vigilance as its immediate, but I mean, I kinda like that Talent if enemies are being a bit unnaturally accurate today.

[lyric prism]

today?

[hazy steeple]

Wednesday for you.

[lyric prism]

hrm

[fresh grove]

I go with bloodsucker for the extra survivability imo, although I go with vigilance usually

[magic pilot]

I wouldn't recommend builds that aren't optimal

[tulip charm]

What about the fun part?

[hexed steppe]

No room for fun in div2

[flint wave]

build advice bout to turn into build sabotaging

[pine monolith]

So I'm a pretty big fan of Capacitor, probably been my favorite AR in the game so far. Jw if there's currently a viable endgame bleed build for it or if I should just go meta and get ridgeway?

[onyx sage]

bleed builds aren't meta, and capacitor isn't used in bleed builds anyway

[pine monolith]

I know bleed builds aren't meta just meant meta as in I know ridgeways is like the best option for bleed atm from what I've been hearing. Just been using capacitor with my ongoing directive set, it's been fun and I shred enemies but I only play on challenging, haven't gotten the gear to go higher yet but don't wanna drop Capacitor or HP rounds lol

[urban latch]

Ridgeway really isn't used for anything at this point. Capacitor is a solid option on skill builds though

[tawdry flare]

Bleed means OD to proc on NPCs or backfire to proc on yourself

[magic pilot]

Ridgeway isn't even good in PvP anymore

[hard kestrel]

hello can someone send me the builds for the IR raid

[torpid gulch]

Variations possible:

• Guns: Any Assault Rifle; Famas 2010, Police M4, Carbine 7, etc.
• Secondary Attributes: Crit Chance and Damage
• Backpack talent: Vigilance
• **Chest Talent: ** Spotter, Obliterate, Tamper Proof, Unbreakable.
• Skills: Reviver Hive & Foam or any you like
• **Gear Mods: **Crit Chance & Damage
• **Gun Mods: **Crit Chance (preffered) & Crit Damage (when you don't have crit chance mods)
• Notes: Aim to have 50% Crit Chance and 150%+ Crit Damage. Do not bring a St. Elmo's Engine or a Scorpio to any raid. Shock has the potential the bug out a boss and force a reset on the raid. Don't use Glass Canon on the last raid encounter of Iron Horse.

One of the builds which are not mine, but from my clan Lieutenant. Hope this helps =))

[flint wave]

St elmos doesn't bug anything that was a false report

Scorpio poison is the root to all ur problems

People who report that shit need to pay more attention

[tawdry flare]

Needs updation c7/M4 has fallen from grace now

[flint wave]

needs updation where striker

[torpid gulch]

I haven't still done the Raid. Just shared build for starters as it was included in channels.

[tawdry flare]

Yeah definitely I have been using strikers on my raids

With Oreo

[hexed steppe]

my beloved c7 😭

[tawdry flare]

Rip

[vestal ibex]

Really you bring anything or nothing to a raid. I'd suggest having the normal meta stuff and asking whoever is teaching/carrying.

[hexed steppe]

ngl i still have it on a couple builds tho

[tawdry flare]

Yeah I have m4 for on few builds

Since Future Perfection got buffed

I build this

[flint wave]

you mean sig?

[tawdry flare]

Naa sig is even worse than M4

[flint wave]

future perfection is on the sig

[tawdry flare]

Ik

[tawdry flare]

But sig didn't get the buff only the talent got the buff

[flint wave]

only the perfect version of the talent got buffed and the perfect version is only found on the sig and tac 308

[tawdry flare]

You got what I want to say

[magic pilot]

No red core bp is wild

Also I feel like opp and future perfection don't go good together

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

I want some other support talent tbh

[magic pilot]

Protector

Leadership

Safeguard

[tawdry flare]

Mhh don't have much armour to be useful

[magic pilot]

True

[tawdry flare]

Safeguard can be good tbh

But I am exploring possibilities

[magic pilot]

Not a ton of good support bps tbh

[hard kestrel]

ty

[lyric prism]

does dttoc in any way apply with status effects?

[onyx sage]

nope

[worthy notch]

Any recommendations on the gear? I wanna focus around The Chameleon if possible. Not sure if theres a better way to display what i've got.

[flint wave]

use striker

chameleon is mid though

[worthy notch]

Only exotics i've got are Capacitor/bluescreen/Bullet King/Pestilence/Diamondback/Doctor Home/Ruthless

[worthy notch]

Trying out strikers, its quite squishy by comparison

[flint wave]

Strikers being native red core probably has something to do with that

[worthy notch]

I'm trying to balance it with some defensive gear in the non-set slots

[lyric prism]

the problem is the build up. once Chameleon is stacked and strikers is, its a lot of damage but getting there takes a while.

I would run countdown and loot target assault rifles, get a good F2000, etc.

[flint wave]

get an st elmo, it also skips the gun attachment grind

[tawdry flare]

Only DTA applies to bleed fire

[lyric prism]

you could run a yellow core highend, run Capacitor with a drone/turret setup.

but not really recommended unless you like the playstyle.

[flint wave]

if ur physically and mentally handicapped its pretty good

[lyric prism]

like the psychotic muppet inferred St. Elmo's Engine is considered the do-all AR bc of its stats. the shock ammo is icing.

[magic pilot]

Military RPK the best one?

[flint wave]

There's more then 1 rpk?

[lyric prism]

black market.

[magic pilot]

Why black market?

[lyric prism]

one more attachment, New Reliable is a good one to have.

if you really want an RPK.

[tulip charm]

God I would love a god roll rpk

[flint wave]

military has 4 attachments just like the others

[magic pilot]

They all have 4 attachments

[tulip charm]

Or an l86

[flint wave]

Pretty sure there isn't a difference

[worthy notch]

WHere do you get a st elmo?

[flint wave]

Ar targeted loot

[magic pilot]

I think handling is different but I don't have black market to compare

Maybe some don't have linked laser?

[worthy notch]

Can you select the loot target at any time or is it selected weekly?

[tulip charm]

Isn’t usually the recoil different?

[flint wave]

countdown and summit can select target loot

[magic pilot]

^

[lyric prism]

L86 does have higher base and range but smaller mag. the trade off.

[tawdry flare]

Use sleipner

Highest DMG when talent is on melts

[magic pilot]

Rather use rpk for mag dmg

[tulip charm]

Also rof is nicer

[magic pilot]

Not an l86 fan

True

[tawdry flare]

I would use new reliable

[tulip charm]

New reliable is cool but I like having fast hands or a damage talent.

Would also like to use it for pvp at the same time.

[fresh grove]

Countdown is the go-to for targeted loot imo

[lyric prism]

after having run both maxed one w/ fast hands. New Reliable just felt better.

the reload time is just not an issue. all pve

[worthy notch]

How do you play countdown, is that PVP?

[lyric prism]

pve objectives. extract at the end. 8 players.

[dull ermine]

black market feels heavier than classic

[lyric prism]

to put more detail - Matchmaking -> Countdown. 8 players, pve objectives. once on the actual game, bring up the map, hold H, select the loot type you want, follow the herd. end extraction has Hunters so stay in cover and dont' Rambo.

[worthy notch]

Thanks! I figured out how to get in, didn't know how to set loot though. Seems fun and relatively easy.

[lyric prism]

also for the RPK debate: military vs classic vs black market, classic/military look has a faster reload time but less stability. talking .3 sec and like 5% stability.

[lyric prism]

It is. queue for challenging, best loot pool vs. time spent. Heroic is not worth it for farming.

[worthy notch]

Thats what i've been sticking to and generally it's no issue. Running Strikers has caused a shift in playstyle since i'm much easier to kill, but i've been suprised at the damage increase over heartbreakers

[lyric prism]

HB is a good set when in doubt and good for farming. Strikers causes you to be aware and know what going on.

[magic pilot]

attachements the same?

[lyric prism]

yes

I thought there was a RPK that was higher base but had one less attachment. Maybe I was thinking of TD1 classic? idk.

I ran an RPK in that as part of many sets. I got odd looks from my friends but it proved its worth.

as much as I love my RPK's I love the GR9 I have w/ steady handed and an ROF mod.

[onyx sage]

it's pretty pog

[lyric prism]

with steady shooting it refills and not from your carry ammo

that is with strikers on.

i think that is with my 4r2b setup I use running around so it would be higher in a staple setup

[patent elm]

That's true for the m5s and for the AKs if you include ARs

[lyric prism]

no just RPK's

[patent elm]

Wdym just rpks

[rich lotus]

Best/fastest way to get emperor's?

[rocky rain]

Which skill has the EMP pulse? It’s for level 4 of the Field Research for Technician

[rich lotus]

Pulse

But I think you're getting it confused

[rocky rain]

How’s that?

Ah, I have gunner at max. So it’s the 4th option for Pulse?

[rich lotus]

These are the 2 EMP options you have

[spice moon]

Okay all, humor me: if I wanted to create a rifle build that did decent damage output, what do you recommend? I can seem to easily find one in the builds spreadsheet, and I am not sure I can trust any YouTuber.

[rocky rain]

Ah, the 3rd from Pulse. I had selected the 4th…

Thanks!!

[rich lotus]

4th is a disorient for humans only

[dull ermine]

lol

Does this mean Mantis isn’t good? 😂 or is it just sarcasm 👁️

Mantis
This is mainly for players who aren't sure which end of the body the head is on. Also slightly synergizes with the decoy.

Via sniper build on spreadsheet

[rich lotus]

Decent as in you have some survivability too?

[spice moon]

Not necessarily… I’d probably just use it for funsies if I am playing with a group in general open world activities

The one thing i hate about rifles in general is their kick. So would love more of a like a laser a la Urban MDR of Div 1.

[rich lotus]

Have you ever tried a hotshot build with the tac .308? feels almost identical to a rifle although you might piss your friends off by killing everything

[spice moon]

I love my hotshot build but I’ve never tried it with a tac .308

[rich lotus]

Which gun do you use on it atm

[spice moon]

I don’t even remember seeing that ever drop for me hahaha

[limpid pelican]

definitely my personal favorite the tac 308

[spice moon]

Model 700 tactical

[limpid pelican]

however it does struggle a bit in the 3-4 man group scaling range

[spice moon]

Ah, good to know

[rich lotus]

Does it do enough damage to kill elites if you have stacks?