td2-build-advice

[tawdry flare]

Let me take a look at all skills though

[hexed steppe]

you always know when its an outcast rusher behind you... beep beep beep

[shy willow]

That core needs way too much love

[limpid pelican]

bro literally all i do on the game at this point is play incursions all i know is striker

[shy willow]

They got them heavy ass footsteps

[gentle lichen]

They can get back its value from 8% expertise

[tawdry flare]

Division 2 sound glitches

[hexed steppe]

hive or turret most useful for proccing feedback

[acoustic coral]

So you proved my point. You don't play striker's in open world, you play it in incursion

[hexed steppe]

also ask for hugs apparently 😆

[shy willow]

Ah gaining 8 expertise levels will probably take just as long

[limpid pelican]

strikers in open world is dog shit and a waste of time

[shy willow]

¿

[limpid pelican]

use a regulus or det hh or wyd

[slate nest]

🫂

[tawdry flare]

@vestal ibex @acoustic coral @hexed steppe <t:1708189200:f>

[hexed steppe]

yeah, no... strikers is good everywhere

[acoustic coral]

Then I go back to my message about, if you want advice on striker's, I'll give that, if you want advice on choosing another build, they can go to you

[limpid pelican]

okay low level 42 go farm open world solo with your all red striker build

have fun with that pal

[hexed steppe]

yeah easily

[shy willow]

Didn't he suggest memento

[limpid pelican]

oh wait maybe you should throw some blues on there

[acoustic coral]

It's in my calendar baby! Got it locked in ready to go

[vestal ibex]

Uhhh it's not an issue? Most just find strikers OW boring.

[limpid pelican]

oh fuck now my build is useless

[hexed steppe]

highest single target damage in the game. dont you know shd means nothing

[shy willow]

All red isn't particularly hard it just takes getting used to

[gentle lichen]

Palisade + gunner/preservation and you're already at 30%-40% aok. Can easily integrate this into striker

[shy willow]

Putting blues on strikers is far from useless what😭

[limpid pelican]

in the amount of time you clear 1 public execution with striker, you could have cleared all of tidal basin area with det hh or regulus lol

[tawdry flare]

Answer me soul or I will curse you with 5.11

[shy willow]

How does that make it trash

[limpid pelican]

oh my god

[hexed steppe]

what am i getting carried through at this time 😆 , ill make sure to put striker on so im completely useless

[vestal ibex]

Yeah lets use a build no low level shade has as your argument?

[hexed steppe]

sounds like a you problem, not a gear problem... js

[gentle lichen]

42 shd with reggie zamn i want that IH carry team

[shy willow]

Shit even people who've played extensively don't have a regulus

[limpid pelican]

so we've got some yappers that missed the entire point

[magic pilot]

I had an Ouro at shd 15

[tawdry flare]

I will put on 6 pcs 5.11 and get carry like last time with raucey

[magic pilot]

Lol

[vestal ibex]

You gonna suggest he use HF HH regulus for legendary next cause it's better too?

[magic pilot]

Yep

[little pewter]

Your point is bad.

[vestal ibex]

You're welcome bish.

[shy willow]

3/2/1 bro cmon

[magic pilot]

I woulda done it solo with my chameleon

[limpid pelican]

why are you using striker in open world when you could go to countdown, farm a hotshot build and hit 1k in a week?

why are we taking cover with all red striker?

[tawdry flare]

With 6pcs 5.11 like a Chad

[little pewter]

Some people don’t like to snipe. Simple as that

[magic pilot]

Determined cheese

[limpid pelican]

oh wait you just died with your all red striker build -1 public exec

[magic pilot]

🧀

Dudes mad he's not good with striker and only uses hotshot lol

[limpid pelican]

its not like ive done this several times im just giving out shit advice

[shy willow]

You can die with any build huh

[hexed steppe]

man just imagine if they actually fixed determined , how many agents would be back to a striker build...

[tawdry flare]

You died with hhf cause a Random sniper dog exists

[shy willow]

Saying strikers is bad isnt particularly good advice especially for new players

[limpid pelican]

when did i say it was bad

[shy willow]

Helmets

[limpid pelican]

i said its dog shit in comparison to open world farming compared to what you could be doing at this moment

assuming you give a shit about time

[vestal ibex]

Sorry you die a lot but that's not everyones experience.

[tawdry flare]

Hot dog manhunt

[limpid pelican]

okay so we dont give a fuck about time

now that we took that into account

[shy willow]

Legendary manning

[hexed steppe]

🍿 🥱

[limpid pelican]

hell yeah use striker in open world and coach a level 42on how to get some survivability in his striker build 🤣

[acoustic coral]

Bruh wtf you mean time? Public executions melt with both striker and HH, I'm sorry you can't do that, but it must be a skill issue then

[limpid pelican]

so we're in copper

[shy willow]

Memento lol

That's all the survivability you need

And gunner for the aok if you like

[limpid pelican]

lmfao

[shy willow]

2 shield tiers some extra armour and armor regen

Along with bonus armour on trophies

Like huh

[limpid pelican]

ngl this is division 2

[tawdry flare]

If you want surviability go 6pcs 5.11 hh determined

[shy willow]

[limpid pelican]

matchmaking be like

[gentle lichen]

"Did i catch you having fun?"

[shy willow]

Project health coming in clutch

[hexed steppe]

proper use of cover and attention to the spawns, all you need for survivability

[vestal ibex]

I wouldn't suggest that. If you are gonna end up on the floor it probably doesn't matter what the build is. So exactly what is the point of what you are going on about any more?

[tawdry flare]

You should read my guide first

[limpid pelican]

a level 42 is asking how to get survivability out of their striker build to open world farm

[hexed steppe]

easy, shield revive, cover

[gentle lichen]

Palisade. Preservation.

[hexed steppe]

kill stuff fast

[shy willow]

511 ways to stay alive

[limpid pelican]

inefficient

and slower

[hexed steppe]

and?

[gentle lichen]

There is literally a good f2k you can roll preservation on

[limpid pelican]

so theres better advice

[vestal ibex]

Like saying git gud skill issue?

[shy willow]

Fresh out of new York they're not gonna be running regulus

Strikers is the bread n butter for a reason😭

[limpid pelican]

no like saying abuse the bs cheese in the game thats called determined headhunter, and cut to the chase

[tawdry flare]

I know some crazy guy with regulus on his HC

[limpid pelican]

use your striker build to farm that

[shy willow]

It's easy to put together and it just works

[haughty wraith]

How does it look? Weapon handle is 41.5% and this is for incursion

[hexed steppe]

everyone plays different.. some like dps or skill, some like headhunter sniper stuff. striker is way easier to master than headhunter, or something like a mortar build

[shy willow]

That's impressive 3 IH no wipes

[gentle lichen]

Get a ceska chest with obliterate

[limpid pelican]

mastering determined headhunter?

that's what we're going with?

[gentle lichen]

Adjust mods for chd

[tawdry flare]

Only 1 blueprints are shared

[hexed steppe]

they still have to hit headshots somtimes

[tulip charm]

Why that much weapon handling?

[shy willow]

Oh oops

[limpid pelican]

the art of spotting a red or purple 1st. skill gap is huge

[shy willow]

Once you drop stacks it's anybodys race lmao

[gentle lichen]

Wait your attributes are WH? Change them to crits

[haughty wraith]

No i don't have any attributre with WH, they are all in crit already

[shy willow]

Good players will be able to regain them

[acoustic coral]

And that's what I gave them.
Build advice.
Variations.
Tips about game knowledge (as others are mentioning)

You on the other hand keep talking about getting them into other builds. Builds that play differently. That doesn't necessarily offer more survivability (HH is all red too).

[gentle lichen]

Just get grupo chest obliterate and change mods to chd you won't need the pfe

[limpid pelican]

essaying

[hexed steppe]

im not diputing the validity of determined headhunter btw. striker is much more accessible and will get you through every type of content

[haughty wraith]

is 60% crit too much or ok? I have one ore attribute to change

[hexed steppe]

even a shit striker build will work tbf

[gentle lichen]

Check if you are over the cap or not. 60 is perfect

[shy willow]

The 100 percent damage with the pack carries a lot of bad builds

[gentle lichen]

But chd should be way higher

[haughty wraith]

how much chd should i aim for?

[acoustic coral]

Afaik you want striker chest for incursion - but dozin runs it all the time, he should have some advice :3

[limpid pelican]

i love how everyone lost their mind over me saying striker is dog shit lmfao. like it's not the best dps in the game. but for open world farming? for a new player? it's just mid advice

[gentle lichen]

Past 130% on your build

Even 160%

[limpid pelican]

if you want to sit and waste time fiddling around sure, i guess that's the kind of advice we're throwing around. get a striker build 100%

but open world farm with it?

wtf u doing bro

get back in countdown

[obsidian scaffold]

Eh open world striker aint bad just don’t run the chest

[limpid pelican]

its just mid and time wasted

if that's what we're going for okay sure

[hexed steppe]

is that what youre gonna keep circling back too? good chat

[obsidian scaffold]

Not time wasted if you use your brain and stack with a acs

[limpid pelican]

okay bro

[obsidian scaffold]

Zero time wasted

[limpid pelican]

its not like ive started from 1 shd like 4 times and hit 1k every single time

im just yapping bro!

[shy willow]

You are lol

[limpid pelican]

you use striker in open world

[pastel shard]

Anyone got any recommended skill builds

[obsidian scaffold]

I ran it before I got reg

[hexed steppe]

only 4 times?

[obsidian scaffold]

Never struggled

[limpid pelican]

its not about struggling...

[vestal ibex]

This is why it's bad advice tho. New players should learn the game vs using the most busted broken thing to save time and set them up for failure later. Let them enjoy the game. Dude wasn't asking for the uber fast track to 1k.

[limpid pelican]

so we're giving casual advice

[shy willow]

Just because strikers is slower doesn't mean it's trash

[limpid pelican]

got it

[shy willow]

And automatically superseded by everything that can potentially do it faster

[vestal ibex]

Determined HH is sweaty cheese tho.

[shy willow]

SHD 42😭

[limpid pelican]

okay we're giving casual advice

mb

[vestal ibex]

If someone walks in here and says "I want a billion GE stars" or "how can I cheese 1k in no time" then boom that's the best advice ever.

[limpid pelican]

so its the best advice ever

because a billion ge stars is a possibility

[shy willow]

Bro asked how to make strikers more survivable 😭

[limpid pelican]

and i said you dont at that level

[vestal ibex]

Yeah and then I gotta explain to a dude in IH raid why his determined HH build is stupid. Thanks.

[limpid pelican]

because you lose so much damage that it becomes mid

almost useless

you go hunters fury if you want survivability low level

[hexed steppe]

shd is useless. itll never make or break a build

[limpid pelican]

oh my god

hey ggs

[hexed steppe]

😉

[limpid pelican]

td2-casual-build-advice

[hexed steppe]

so ends another episode of wasting time on discord. time to grind some shd

[vestal ibex]

Bro you don't need more SHD

[hexed steppe]

lies

[pastel shard]

doesnt it give u a bunch of bonuses?

[limpid pelican]

oh yeah it only makes it so that you have the option to use ARs

[acoustic coral]

Just make sure to use a Determined HH, otherwise you're gonna waste... nevermind

[shy willow]

Lies 10k or you're gone

[hexed steppe]

i need all the shd.. the grind never ends

[limpid pelican]

oh thanks for the st elmos allowing us to use an AR sub 1k

[vestal ibex]

Elmo is okay I guess.

[tawdry flare]

You on the other hand needs quite a lot

[hexed steppe]

10-20% on mostly mid attributes. chc the only really useful bonus and it can be maxed by 250. ceska easily covers it until then

[acoustic coral]

90% of your firepower comes from the build, getting 1000 SHD gets you the last 10%

[urban latch]

This is such a dumb argument...

[limpid pelican]

i guess its called discord for a reason

didnt mean that in a condescending way, more so just a disagreement lol

[hexed steppe]

probably run around with this 😆 . nego is 😍

[limpid pelican]

i was making my claim based solely on efficiency and thats a me thing

definitely not the case for everyone else

in a game thats 5 years old, its really hard not to want to play catch up

or almost being forced to do so

[shy willow]

Nego is underused outside of speedruns I don't see it very often

[urban latch]

I'm all for saying that strikers isn't the "use it everywhere, it's the best everywhere" build. But it's also fine to run at whatever shd. It's solid as a start build because it's so easy to put together and it at least ok everywhere.

There's no need to get this up in arms over someone wanting to use strikers over a HH build

[obsidian scaffold]

Nego with spotter flatline in the dz is goated

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, but on a Discord server with a community of 100.000+ members - most of which a considered casual (I think it's something like 80+% of gamers are considered casual gamers) - this is the way.

[hexed steppe]

i really like it for most stuff. i used to be a stritly highend dps, nego plays the same for me just triples up on the damage.

[limpid pelican]

nah you're right. to each their own it's a game at the end of the day. doesn't need to be min-maxed 24/7

[weary pier]

b-but strikers meta dps 😭😭 😭

[limpid pelican]

i play almost nothing but incursions lol, all i use is strikers

love it, but i will never open world farm with it at this point

[shy willow]

At least on Xbox this says a lot about the majority of player base

[limpid pelican]

and like i said that's a me thing so that's where my advice was coming from

[acoustic coral]

And that's totally fair. I just want to remind that the average gamer plays 8 hours a week - you don't get to 1000 SHD in a week as an average gamer.

[acoustic coral]

I respect that. And that we have a peaceful resolution.

[urban latch]

That's irrelevant...

[limpid pelican]

100%. I'm glad as well

[tawdry flare]

Hey @hexed steppe invite me.

[limpid pelican]

and now we're back at square one

[acoustic coral]

What are you gonna argue with me now? I merely used it to support the argument about the casual gamer.
Dozin several times mentioned you should get HH and just get 1000 SHD in a week.
Or Regulus, because it's better for open world farming.
Or gearing up to getting the ouroborus.

But in the end, we had a SHD 42 asking for advice on HIS striker's build - that then got out of hand. I gave him advice that he could apply to striker's - and dozin had advice on min-maxing efficiency with HH and open world farming. Then it spiralled out of control, we calmed it down aswell.

[limpid pelican]

LOL

Sorry i was laughing at the "what are you gonna argue with me now?" part

[magic pilot]

Ceska/fox higher dps

[limpid pelican]

i think he was just joking man, or poking fun at the situation

[acoustic coral]

Upgrading gear pieces "only" gives more armor, right? Do you feel the impact of having level 11 on all the pieces? Been considering upgrading some of my builds aswell

[magic pilot]

It's basically just to flex

[acoustic coral]

I mistyped and wanted to say "get to 1000 SHD in a week" which might've been where it diverged there

[knotty iron]

i think a striker build with 1.7 mil armor is pretty good tbh

[acoustic coral]

I have no doubt local flexes, was just wondering if it could be felt heh

[limpid pelican]

i got into the game with pvp being end-game, and unfortunately thats the case when that's the goal

[haughty wraith]

I just noticed the word "cap" on the crit. from the pic below, is that i have too much crit and the excess are wasted

[limpid pelican]

so when i see someone mention the dz as a goal i go a little overboard

[sullen sun]

Thoughts?

[covert meadow]

What should be my aim for strikers? 60 chc and as high as I can get chd?

[sullen sun]

60 for sure or somewhere close. At most 53

[covert meadow]

Alright 👍 ty

[shy willow]

Eh its just a big flex

With max expertise on all pieces you get like one blue core

[shy willow]

Huh why invest in status on OD

[urban latch]

The vile/emp combo is solid for story to hard difficulty, but basically useless past that

[sullen sun]

Got a good blue screen build?

[urban latch]

Just use the build of your choice and run blue screen, it doesn't need a specific build

[acoustic coral]

Ah okay, so like half a bullet in PvE

[shy willow]

[acoustic coral]

Nah, all good, I do the same when it comes down to the 1000 SHD argument - because it's nice to have, not need (unless PvP, which is always important to note).
Anyways, big kisses. Come carry in IH tomorrow together with gear and Souless

[sullen sun]

No Eclipse?

[urban latch]

Eclipse is a great set, but you'll just focus on using skills, your gun doesn't really matter much

[sullen sun]

Can you use Vile with that?

[urban latch]

Yeah

[sullen sun]

thx

[hexed steppe]

just saw this

[tawdry flare]

Too late on legendary mm 10 mins wait

[hexed steppe]

i mostly in groups so wouldnt be trading coyote for fox's. dont need ceska/chc tho

[green topaz]

i’m running an AR striker build with st elmo but want to have fun with other ARs - what talent would i want on the AR? optimist? strained?

[hexed steppe]

red cores-strained, blue cores-optimist

fast hands also popular

[green topaz]

i have a couple of blue cores but mostly red

[knotty iron]

how do you get materials to recalibrate?

[hexed steppe]

no impact felt. i only added the upgrades to gear up to 11 because it was fairly cheap and i needed to clear out some materials. i decon almost everything on ground so its a lot of waste if im at 9999 all the time

[hexed steppe]

im not sure how many blue needed to start favoring optimist over strained

someone here knows off the top of their head

[green topaz]

ill give both a try, i have to farm both talents anyway

thanks

[versed summit]

I think it's going to start depending on the weapon tbh. RPM isn't the main factor but when you start by adding a couple blues I think it can make a difference.

[vestal ibex]

It is a blues vs red thing tho. At a certain weapon damage more WD just doesn't help as much as CHC. Weapon doesn't matter so much cause it'll just be an averge over the mag. iirc it's 3 blues where optimist takes a bit of a lead.

[magic pilot]

3-4

Depends on if you use picaros or Walker, fenris etc as well

When I get on tonight I'll test the exact WD where strained loses

Would be good to know for unoptimized builds too

[hexed steppe]

awesome 🍻

[robust jay]

Anyone know off hand which set (1 or 2 piece only) has highest armor regen

[versed summit]

golan?

[urban latch]

It's not really a simple question because it depends on RPM, and all the WD (from experience as well) and crit on the build, it's not just as simple as "at X blue cores, optimist"

[tawdry flare]

With 10% crit chance problem solved

Just Hit for 252 million this golden event

313 mill now

[trim meadow]

Hello, why i cant change this to crit chance? What material I need? Same happened to Uzina Getica Closer chest >.<

[versed summit]

could be credits

[vestal ibex]

Have you tried pressing X to see if it gives you a prompt of the items you are missing? If nothing happens it's probably the UI bug on the trello.

[trim meadow]

X is inactive

I can change weapon dmg, cant change attribute

[shy willow]

Golan/belstone

[solar sable]

press square once, the resources needed should pop up

[fickle lotus]

what smg/attribute/perk would you recommend for PVP for someone who doesn't have Ouroboros - trying to put together a SMG tank build with Catharsis

[urban latch]

If your not using the ouro then I would suggest an AR instead

[fickle lotus]

oh shoot, stunning that no other SMG even competes. is AR tank a thing?

[urban latch]

Something like the F2000, or famas

[fickle lotus]

ok I could do either, have some rolls stockpiled. Perk and specialization?

[urban latch]

The ouro is just a complete outlier in DPS, it's frankly unbalanced. In pvp each weapon class has modifiers, and the way it shakes out ARs as a class will do more damage than smgs

[fickle lotus]

damn, need to work on getting one of those too then

[urban latch]

Spec is really up to your preference, but firewall has some very large advantages. As for the AR talent, it once again depends. If you've got the shield splinter with perfect optimist, that's one of the best high end weapons right now

[fickle lotus]

alright cool, appreciate the insight. And for the incursion (never done it!) whats a recommended setup to contribute?

[urban latch]

4p striker with the chest and backpack, 1p ceska and then either coyotes, grupo, or (for the boss fights) bloody knuckles

The other main build is FI healer. If you check the pinned Google doc there's guides to both builds in there

[fickle lotus]

right on - thanks friend

[trim meadow]

What do you mean by square?

If i go back, i see the inventory just.

[shy willow]

Check mats you're low on

And your cash

[lyric prism]

peers at new exotic gloves work.

had the new gloves on, put striker mask on, boss on top of Grand Wash. I was near him and could not fill the striker stacks up.

[naive horizon]

Good incursion build?

[lyric prism]

like the entrance at the boO close.

[elfin token]

Can anyone tell me where to farm Coyotes mask from and help me with getting my gears stat's to 100% plz

Never done gear stat's before

[vestal ibex]

Good enough, I'd take shield over banshee pulse, I'm not a fan of reviver but if you go down it's useful.

[lyric prism]

drops from Hyena mobs. Grand Washington, Jefferson Trade Center, etc.

[naive horizon]

I don’t but it’s what a buddy told me to use 🗿

[versed summit]

IIRC contractors work out better for the incursion.

[naive horizon]

IIRC?

I have contractors but don’t know what the other thing is

[shy willow]

I'd run a crusader in place of the banchee

And a decoy/jammer/assault turret in the other slot depending on the encounter

[naive horizon]

I’m aware

[lyric prism]

i haven't done paraside lost yet..

[versed summit]

If I Recall Correctly

[naive horizon]

It’s just the presaved loadout

[naive horizon]

My dumbass

[elfin token]

This is my gear so far at SHD level 14

[naive horizon]

@shy willow Idk if you saw my message above. But I swap my skills every encounter. That pic itself if the saved loadout

[vestal ibex]

I mean regardless your build looks pretty good to run the incursion as a DPS. There are always ways to improve depending on the room and what your are doing but it's min max BS.

[naive horizon]

Coz I also use it that build in Countdown

[shy willow]

The gear itself is certainly good

[naive horizon]

Who you talking to?

Everything but the backpack and chest are maxed

[versed summit]

not awful, just work on getting a red attribute(weapon damage) core mask and chest and rolling crit damage/chance to the striker's pieces. Optimally you'll have a ceska chest with the obliterate talent and the coyotes mask exotic.

[shy willow]

You m8

[naive horizon]

Aight

[versed summit]

Don't forget to add mods to it either

[elfin token]

Sorry new to build and upgrading gear to. Got no idea how to upgrade stats and how to get cores.

Right

[versed summit]

use the tinkering menu. It's pretty new, so I'd recommend looking for some guides on youtube for it. Just in case you can't find anything, I'd look for a guide for the recalibration menu, which was the old name/menu, as it's close enough.

that should roughly explain core attributes and secondary attributes.

[urban latch]

Ideally 1p ceska instead of the foxes knees. I'd also have a loadout ready for at least Lovebirds that has bloody knuckles instead of coyotes

[magic pilot]

You need a group?

[elfin token]

Is the division 2 crossplay

I'm trying to get a strong dps/carry build

I like to help people out

[vestal ibex]

Dat boi is on PC and PS.

[elfin token]

If anyone is willing to help me get me on the right track I welcome the help

I like to run summit

[blissful rampart]

its not crossplay sadly

[trim meadow]

I thought you can play with pc and PS together, cant we?

[shy willow]

There is no crossplay

[lyric prism]

so Aegis. beyond looking at it, any good solid use yet? salvaging don't count.

[shy willow]

Not really no

[stiff orbit]

Hey guys, i’m remaking my red FI and kinda lost as to what to choose for backpack if not perfect op

[main stream]

Hey, Im farming out countdown for named items atm, and have no idea what to hunt at the moment. Ive got striker, Eclipse, Drone Turret, Base Red, FI, and Nego all done set wise. Whats the next thing to be looking for?

[stiff orbit]

raid/incursion builds

probably just go for perfect stats for skills and such for armor

like 12% crit dmg, and 6% crit chance

13% protection from elites

[main stream]

Have those already. (stats)

[stiff orbit]

well… uh

do you have other characters?

[vestal ibex]

MMR?

[main stream]

I have a perfect Classic M1A what else do I hunt?

I have literally shit gold bricks at times.

[copper holly]

Whats the best gear set for coutdown/summit

[shy willow]

The easy answer is striker

[copper holly]

St elmos I guess aswell

[flint wave]

yes

[acoustic coral]

[copper holly]

Have u got a build set that I can see

[shy willow]

Swap the chest to ceska

And don't put ranger on your pistol

[flint wave]

for countdown you run striker chest

and 3 protection from elites mods

[shy willow]

On heroic probably yeah

[acoustic coral]

You haven't even started playing the game yet Naval

[acoustic coral]

I'll have to test that out when I get back home, usually run my standard striker build on heroic countdown without much trouble

[shy willow]

I'm SHD 1110 now shhhh

[acoustic coral]

🥵

[flint wave]

they grow up so fast

[copper holly]

What vest is that

[sonic veldt]

grupo

ceska with obliterate a bit better

[copper holly]

Ok cheers

[shy willow]

What in the hell

[flint wave]

oh hey that looks like mine

[hexed steppe]

You'll see more damage with ceska vigilance+coyote mask

[shy willow]

Allat and you ain't running an AR😭

[flint wave]

not even running flatline smh my head

[hexed steppe]

You guys are both flawed. If it isnt determined headhunter its trash. And inefficient. Deconstruct

[magic pilot]

I play PS and PC

[sudden fog]

Where to get that pistol from?

[shy willow]

Named caches sometimes in countdown vendor

Otherwise it's a DZ exclusive

TDI kard

[naive horizon]

Yo! I need your graphic settings if you don’t mind

Like in game

My game is fuzzy and I’m on new Gen

😭

[lavish badger]

Hey guys, it`s good build or not?

[fallen comet]

no. has ninja bag in it.

[magic pilot]

That's your tv or monitor

You can't change the graphic settings on console really

[naive horizon]

You can change how vibrant things are if that makes sense

[lavish badger]

What do I need instead of this bag?

[fallen comet]

either go 4 piece striker or 4 piece umbra

[flint wave]

this is a pure meme build

[lavish badger]

But the ninja gives a 4 piece umbra?

[fallen comet]

4 piece umbra and 2 high ends

[lavish badger]

and 3 strikers

[fallen comet]

ninja just sucks in pretty much all builds

[lavish badger]

Hmm, interesting, thanks)

[lavish badger]

meme?) why

[copper holly]

Elmo send ur build

[flint wave]

it's the max rof build but bad damage compared to real builds

[lavish badger]

That's why I called it a "prototype" 😅😅😅😅😅

[copper holly]

@flint wave

[flint wave]

assuming it's this question (countdown build)

[copper holly]

Thank u

Gonna start working on that build now then

[flint wave]

a good substitute for rock and roll since it's a dz exclusive is an acs with strained on it

[urban latch]

I honestly think an ACS with fast hands is the way to go over a ruck and roll now

[flint wave]

fast hands doesn't stack per pellet apparently

[vestal ibex]

Now it does I think.

[flint wave]

when

[urban latch]

Just since this last update lol, it's so busted

[shy willow]

So essentially permanent what is it 40 percent reload speed

[flint wave]

each stack is 4 percent reload speed

[copper holly]

Do you have obliterate on vest right

[flint wave]

definitely sounds balanced

guess I'll test it out in a week

[flint wave]

yes if you plan to not run striker chest plate

[copper holly]

What's ur 2nd skill ?

Hive?

[flint wave]

banshee pulse decoy or revive hive

[copper holly]

Ok perfect

[shy willow]

How much does it stack to again

[flint wave]

40

that's gonna be so easy to hit if acs now stacks it per pellet

[shy willow]

Jesus

[lavish badger]

normal?)

[lavish badger]

I don`t have 4 umbra(

[fallen comet]

This is like infinite times better

[lavish badger]

Thx man 👍👍👍👍

[solar token]

This might be a dumb question, but what’s the appeal of fox’s prayer on a red build?

[shy willow]

That sweet damage to targets out of cover attribute

Same deal with contractors gloves it's run for dta not the brand

[solar token]

Can’t you get damage to targets out of cover on other pieces of gear?

[shy willow]

Nope

It's completely unique to foxes prayer

On armour anyway

[solar token]

I see

Welp, back to farming I go

[shy willow]

They drop fairly regularly from hunters especially if you have overlord targeted

[flint wave]

You say that but when I was farming a foxes prayer to put it to armor core I was having a HARD time getting even one drop

rngesus don't like me

[solar token]

I read up on red meta build and decided to farm for a st elmos, ran through summit with assault rifles selected, and got one on the very first loot drop

[shy willow]

To be fair i still haven't gotten skill damage foxes

[solar token]

Figure that used up my rng for the rest of the month

[shy willow]

From summit too

You're better off in countdown

[copper holly]

@flint wave forgot to ask about specialist?

[copper holly]

Ok my bad didn't see that

[hexed steppe]

Fox's on sale at the theatre iirc. Not sure the rolls

[drifting panther]

@vestal ibex time to steal that build you showed

[vestal ibex]

They just normie striker builds with personal flavor added really.

[drifting panther]

no the shotgun one

i don't really like using strikers even if its for raids and shit

but hey, i'm reminded of destiny so eh

[vestal ibex]

Strikers is boring yo. Hunter fury regulus headhunter then?

[drifting panther]

mhm

and yeah its boring trying to get ouroburos using the same setup everyone is using

but i'm glad i don't have to do that incursion anymore

however

[vestal ibex]

You even got regulus yet?

[drifting panther]

I'm trying of trying the whisper like this

[drifting panther]

what the hell is a regulus

[sudden fog]

@shy willow when can that group help with raids

[vestal ibex]

You set tho. Ez build tho. Just pop heads. GE kinda fucks with you cause it'll kill and reanimate most of a group you kill.

[drifting panther]

i always aim for the hed though

this is basically me benefiting from being obsessed with this game from 2020 or something because i always have something lying around

and if its recommended, i have it

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but with he GE it'll blow up the surrounding people killing them and then they reanimate.

Kinda annoying.

[drifting panther]

eh, i dealt with it in summit

shits gonna be easy

like dude, you can even shoot the heads of the dead bodies too

[hexed steppe]

Too much chc. Move prov to mask and add contractors for extra multiplier

[drifting panther]

i like double tapping

[vestal ibex]

For me is just wasted time. I'd rather D50 cheese and get my reward track and for get about the GE.

[drifting panther]

i have to do it because i need exotic caches

i need to get the iron lung. farming summit has been pain for me every since

[flint wave]

d50 is more powerful then regulus as long as this GE is running

[hexed steppe]

You should see how far overcap you are with chc by temp swapping the ceska

[drifting panther]

sure. i just don't remember about other masks that have chd apart from those two as set bonuses

unless you want me to run coyote

yeah i'm over cap

[hexed steppe]

No I'm thinking contractors gloves

Providence to mask to maintain the chd stacking

[drifting panther]

here's my issue though. thats petrov which has lmg damage

and i'm just confused worrying about set bonuses

[hexed steppe]

Its worth. Its trading over cap chc for a dta multiplier

You'll still have chd rolled onto the gloves

[drifting panther]

thats a hacked account

@hazy steeple can you ban @light inlet

they're hacked

[flint wave]

they died

[drifting panther]

sure then

i'll find another prov mask

1st or 2nd char might have

[vestal ibex]

Even a punch drunk would provide more in this case.

[urban latch]

Your running a regulus right? Just swap in a Dodge city holster

[drifting panther]

oh shit i don't have one that isn't used

[drifting panther]

i have 2

with punch drunk

i don't want to farm a second set of hunters just to use my regulus i rarely use

but fine

i'll do that and level up firewall

[vestal ibex]

If you can hit head with 60% acc or more you'll probably love the HHF regulus build and it'll be game changing.

[drifting panther]

maybe.

so put down the shotgun for now or what

wait. i can still do hunters

i might have to do something about chest and bag tho

[drifting panther]

yeah.

[vestal ibex]

Okay so things that don't matter.

[drifting panther]

i can't use punch drunk then

[vestal ibex]

Backpack can be whatever, shotguns are for deleting a named enemy/chunga helm, spec can be whatever really, skills can be a bit different if you want but keep a type of shield, uhhhh yeah.

You can even run a sniper and use that if you want.

[drifting panther]

thanks.

[vestal ibex]

I personally run the same gear as shown there but I run tech, big pus shield, artificer, and a m700 flatline.

[drifting panther]

i'll keep to firewall and shield though. i always run reviver because i don't trust the ai in this game

atleast its not on the line of RON ai

i remember when hyenas shooting sideways accurately was just crack every enemy had

[vestal ibex]

Sideways machine pistol 100% accuracy across the map is what it felt like sometimes.

[drifting panther]

mhm

[magic pilot]

Oh nice

[magic pilot]

M700 takes linked laser?

[hexed steppe]

Carbon for sure

Not tac. Not sure of m700 base or ekims tho

[magic pilot]

Would flatline be stronger than behind you?

[hexed steppe]

Idk. It's not conditioned on aggro tho

[vestal ibex]

Tac drone. Honestly I don't really care about the talent. I want to be better at actual sniping so I don't use determined. There are like 2 choices imo, ranger or flatline. Really at this point I'll put on whatever hits my breakpoints properly other than that, meh.

[magic pilot]

Gotcha, I've been staying away from determined also

I use decoy and tac drone when I'm not maining regulus

[vestal ibex]

I do still use nem quite a lot if I can. It's just fun to do 1/4 charge or whatever is needed for the diff/scaling.

[hexed steppe]

I still think in sync with a striker drone to proc would be pretty decent on a sniper build

[copper holly]

Why is the striker build so good when there's no chance of regeneration?

[hexed steppe]

Use gunner. Get aok and rpm boost

[hexed steppe]

Strikers strength is being able to melt stuff very quick

[vestal ibex]

That which is dead can do me no harm kinda idea with strikers. Use cover and the shield well and you'll take almost no damage.

[copper holly]

Kk

[vestal ibex]

Mitigating incoming damage in this game is a skill all in it's own.

[copper holly]

I'm a idiot was using wrong type of shield no wonder why

[vestal ibex]

Which one were you using?

[true thunder]

Wym fixed?

Also what should I be trying to do for that build…

If anyone has a ss of it I’d appreciate it 🙂

[hexed steppe]

while im risking opening up a debate on this, but determined current state allows for infinite chaining bodyshots as headshots. intended funtion is next shot after a headshot kill will be headshot damage regardless of placement.
the broken part is body shots, dogs, minitanks, generator yellow box destruction all are literally registered as a headshot and keep reproccing the talent. its nice and i like using it because its basically god mode, but i recognize that it is broke af.
previous attempt to fix made the talent not even operate, so it was reverted... eventually they will figure out a way to implement it properly

[hexed steppe]

which one, headhunter or striker

sniper setups
note that m700 is outdamaging whitedeath with the changes

striker setup

[sullen sun]

eh? Rogue Good build lol

[urban latch]

Take a guess what we think lol

[sullen sun]

If I don’t ask lol

[copper holly]

Don't ask haha

Ok I Need some help so I have strikers holster that has 8.4 weapon damage and 12% crit damage, is it possible to put 15% weapon damage on it ?

[lyric prism]

yes.

did you reroll the chd onto it?

[copper holly]

No I got it from countdown but when I try tinker it I can't put weapon damage on it only armour

[lyric prism]

no you can put weapon dmg. select the existing and when it has armor selected on the right, scroll down

or whatever to go down.

if you do not see a 15% dmg below that then that is odd or you don't have a 15% weapon dmg in your library.

you need it for the specific gear slot.

[copper holly]

U know when you extract a 15% weapon damage does it have to be from the same set of gear

So holster

[lyric prism]

no, just the same slot.

[copper holly]

Erm that's weird then because I only have armour replacement it's showing me

[lyric prism]

if you look in your library at holsters do you see 15% weapon dmg?

[copper holly]

Yh

So I extract from a holster right

[lyric prism]

yes. 15%

any holster.

[copper holly]

Yh yh that's what I meant earlier I can't like extract from a backpack for example to put on a holster

[lyric prism]

correct.

[copper holly]

Ok that makes sense

[lyric prism]

spam countdown.

[copper holly]

Yh I've just come back to the game recently so just learning about making a good gear set starting to know now

It don't cost anything does it to transfer

[lyric prism]

countdown on challenge mode is the easiest to farm. do a gear select on the map when inside and get what you are after. good stuff takes a minute but challenge level is the easiest to spam

[copper holly]

Ok cheers

[lyric prism]

no it does not cost to tranfers to the library but it does cost to go from library to the gear you want th stat on.

[copper holly]

Ok

What's the best way to get mods for shield

[hazy steeple]

@drifting panther It's already done by the auto mod, but in the future if you want to report a compromised account, please do so via the ModLog, that pings the whole team.

[lyric prism]

targeted loot on countdown for mod slots, not gear slots.

countdown and youtube are your friend when you are bored.

countdown, select loot from the map, follow the herd, watchout for the hunters.

[copper holly]

Yh I've been doing countdown for a while now but I was just confused like which how to get the right attributes on gear at max

[lyric prism]

ya

[copper holly]

But now I know

[lyric prism]

get a good piece, add it to the library.

[copper holly]

Yeh

Time to try get st elmos

[sudden fog]

What to make after negotiator dilema

I might get my shd up since I’m only 150 tbh

[lyric prism]

strikers.

both have their places.

[sudden fog]

Got striker hunters fury healer hotshot

[lyric prism]

eclipse cc set.

red FI set.

[hazy steeple]

Good, make as many different loadouts as you can.

[lyric prism]

all yellow something.

[sudden fog]

Does it ever get to a point where I should focus on my shd more than getting loadouts

[lyric prism]

no. SHD comes with playtime.

[hazy steeple]

One important one that a lot of people forget (and is admittedly less useful but still niche useful these days) is a high-end red-DPS setup.

[lyric prism]

always useful and easy to make.

I still keep my updated.

[hazy steeple]

Well, it does requires a ton of specific high-end pieces that need loads of fairly specific stats, so "easy" is not the first word to use to describe it, but it is important.

Oh and once you finish making the Coyotes version, make sure you make one that can replace the Coyotes mask with a Ceska and an Exotic on one of the other slots, since in large groups a lot of other people usually run Coyotes as well.

[sudden fog]

Yeah I have one of those

[hazy steeple]

(and also make an Artillery Turret build, because that is mega strong right now)

[sudden fog]

I think I’m gonna make a skill build then go for the red dps

[hazy steeple]

Moon is right btw, Eclipse setup too, it's great for GE challenges if nothing else.

[lyric prism]

i love my eclipse setups. I built a 100% hazpro setup for countdown and other things. switching skills and running around like a glassy thing is fun.

fire and foam for days

[hazy steeple]

Oh I adore the hazpro setup. I've still got my backfire build laying around.

[lyric prism]

when you get the 3rd phase part in the lab I think with the electrical floor. fully immune.

run around and do switches and foam doors.

I also swap to banshee on a 10sec cd.

[hexed steppe]

you still using creeping on it? i switched over to perfect opportunistic setup bag

[lyric prism]

depends on the group.

some people go harikari but overall it does help

um, let me look

[hexed steppe]

ive also found it works great on floor 100. you get booted out of the lobby onto the main floor now so being able to cc the hunters is really good

setup blueprint is still available from heroic cp afaik. ezpz unicorn roll with the blueprint

[lyric prism]

the one time I ran summit recently, I don't anymore, I ran the same setup I used on the last season final hunt. HE setup with 100% hazpro and tag team and scorpio. banshee pulse and foam. was so dumb easy

[delicate solstice]

Can anyone send me a decent bluescreen build? Or any advice on some I'm thinking if running ongoing/vile with it

[hexed steppe]

so not to change the subject or anything but i made a very interesting observation while helping a friend run wony.

i was using nego and had a mark half depleted on an out of sight npc. when my teamate critted on them it refreshed my mark to full, multiple times.

is this new behavior or something known? never noticed it prior to this season and use nego a lot.

[lyric prism]

@hexed steppe swap specilization to gunner for banshee on another save but same gear

not sure on the AR but there it is.

[hexed steppe]

stage left would be ideal if running survivalist. easy perf sledge drops and another 40% damage from team to armor and armor plates

[lyric prism]

the tag team setup w/ a 8sec? cd on the interrupt pulse.

its a very specific use setup and not very well built.

but it does the work for those two instances.

[hexed steppe]

nice

[lyric prism]

I have thought about that, need to dig one out.

[hexed steppe]

this is how i been rocking it

[lyric prism]

hmmm

[hexed steppe]

survivalist 10%
scorpio 20%
sledge 40%
opportunistic 15% i think
all for the team

[lyric prism]

I run the typical EP cc setup on the pins for most things. it works.

I'll have to try that setup out, seems a good buff bot.

[hexed steppe]

its at like 95% haste as well

[lyric prism]

nice.

I got a max all yellow repair The Setup on my healer FI setup. I need to farm another.

[hexed steppe]

@blissful rampart @urban latch you guys would know about this i think 👆
sorry in advance for the tags

[lyric prism]

an OD/vile setup w/ bluescreen? it'd be a good cc setup and group buffer.

played right as such things are.

[urban latch]

That would definitely be new... Can you repeat it on other targets?

[hexed steppe]

ill use nego next time i log and see if it keeps happening when i matchmake

it did fill it 2-3 times before the npc died

[rich cosmos]

Best way to get system corruption is legacy crates right?

[hexed steppe]

yeah

[rich cosmos]

How many of those are in the current battlepass?

[hexed steppe]

not sure. you can buy them with ge stars tho

[hazy steeple]

God that word is like ants down your spine.

"battlepass"

It's "synergistic" all over again.

[glossy scarab]

i prefer to call it season tickets

[rich cosmos]

I don’t have many so I’ll have to grind tomorrow, best way to get stars rn?

[rich lotus]

I prefer to call it bonus rewards

[hazy steeple]

I mean, they are called Seasons, so yeah, Season Pass. Like a "pass" you buy to go to a theme park regularly within a period of time.

[hexed steppe]

open world, heroic cp. directives added that you can handle

[rich cosmos]

Okie neat

I realized I like system corruption today so now I desperately need at least one piece just to be able to have a holster to make a build

[hexed steppe]

i posted an xp chart in #ask-td2-community if you want to look up which activities xp the best. values are before directives added, 4 directives would double the xp #ask-td2-community message

[rich cosmos]

Oh is the stars tied to xp?

[hazy steeple]

just an fyi: the Legacy caches are incredibly diluted as far as loot goes, so it might take you literally hundreds to get enough SysCorr pieces to make a decent build.

[hexed steppe]

yeah level up shd= 1 star

[hexed steppe]

its faster than grinding dz tho

[rich cosmos]

I have most red pieces, I just need one piece and need to recalibrate one

[hazy steeple]

oh of course, just saying that don't expect it to be ya know, fast

[hexed steppe]

oic

[rich cosmos]

I made a heartbreaker build that Ive been loving so that should be easy, especially since I already have been going for headshots as Im not using tech

[delicate solstice]

Yea I seen a video on it but I wanted to get other ppls ideas

[hazy steeple]

fair warning about div2 youtubers; most are clickbait enthusiasts.

[lyric prism]

yea that most important of all.

[rich cosmos]

System corruption being able to use normal instant use armor kits alongside its instant use kits is intentional and not a bug right?

[lyric prism]

it replaces your armor kits.

so the normal kit instant should not be working.

[rich cosmos]

You can use the rework to it that gives it the instant use with 5 second cooldown with system corruption

[lyric prism]

that is pretty broken.

[rich cosmos]

It doesn’t trigger the actual talent so I was wondering if it’s intended

It honestly should be imo

[acoustic coral]

The only youtuber build I've tried was some iron lung, ongoing directive (can't actually remember the rest), and it only really works when you have ROF buff from GE. It's alright, but even the most unoptimized striker performs just aswell

[lyric prism]

ROF from golden bullet I'm guessing.

[hazy steeple]

There's like 2 good div2 youtubers, unless I'm forgetting someone.
and both of them are on here so you can juts ask them directly when they're active. iKia and Raucey, respectively.

there was IAmFox, but they're long gone.

[rich lotus]

Dang neither of those are one of the 3 I watched for guides getting into the game that feels rough

[lyric prism]

a lot of the tube content was some random piece on strikers/whatever and 5 secs of some million shot bullet thing, or something. 'THIS BUILDS SHREDS ALL'...not showing the three minutes of random down time.

or not showing them dead from the AI striking their face in.

[acoustic coral]

Was actually on GA event, but also worked for Golden Bullet

[hazy steeple]

Some of the non-build guides are fine, although it's best to double-check info where you can. Div2 is a complex beast.

[rich lotus]

Yeah luckily it wasn't any build guides I watched, just a few guides of things to do in the endgame

[lyric prism]

Raucey has all his builds out and listed with pics. I love the Striker PFE setup.

[copper holly]

@lyric prism what's ur striker build?

[acoustic coral]

It's not like the build guides are necessarily bad, it can be fun to try out some wacky versions of builds, but a poorly rolled striker build is often stronger, which is important to keep in mind.

[lyric prism]

for groups I can depends on? typical striker/coyote/ceska chest/St Elmo's. When I can't, same but knees/holster have blue cores. the Striker PFE set is

^^^ that trivializes rogue encounters in heroic missions.

otherwise i just run around in the typical all red setup unless I don't know the content.

[lyric prism]

true

but 70% PFE and still able to hit decently is nice. otherwise its pointless if you know how to work around the rogues.

[rich lotus]

Speaking of how does this look considering the build is no where near put together?

[lyric prism]

you didn't die to the one coming down the left so that is good awareness.

[copper holly]

I'm currently building a all red striker set with coyote and ceska

[rich lotus]

I'd like to think my awareness is fairly decent, not my ability to not die if there's way too many enemies at once though 😂

[lyric prism]

ceska chest w/ obliterate is the staple. it works.

[copper holly]

Ok that's exactly what I'm going for just trying to get the vest now and st elmos

Do u use crusader shield

[rich lotus]

Yes

[copper holly]

What mods do u have on there ? If you do

[rich lotus]

That's what I'm using + reviver hive

[lyric prism]

dmg percent ones on the crusader shield if you have them. otherwise shield health.

the crusader shield is to save your ass in a bad spot, not to be a wall so learn to cover.

so many don't get it.

[rich cosmos]

Would obliterate be better than glass cannon entirely?

Isn’t it similar damage without any downside

[lyric prism]

by the numbers? no. Glass cannon rules that. Your ability to play w/ glass cannon? that is the decider. I suck and have potato aim so I use obliterate.

[copper holly]

That's what I'm building

[lyric prism]

swap the chest and gloves around.

nothing generally lives long enough to need to 200 stacks the Striker chest gives.

the only time to use the chest is if you are running something off the staple w/ less dps, like that PFE setup I have. the stacks help your damge.

[copper holly]

What gloves should I go for

[lyric prism]

Striker.

Ceska chest w/ obliterate or glass cannon if you can play well witrh glass cannon.

[copper holly]

Yh that's what I'm doing?

4 striker pieces

And ceska and coyote

[lyric prism]

4 piece striker but not striker chest.

[copper holly]

Yh that's how I'm building it like that

[lyric prism]

the specialization and 2nd weapon are your choices. the skills are kind of up to you too

oh ignore the blue mod in the backpack, not sure why its there.

[copper holly]

Probably pfe right

[lyric prism]

think the pack was one something I was playing with

yea I had it on, game shows the gear as it currently sits even on a different loadout, if equipped.

usually technician is the overall best spec due to the dmg and free skill slot.

or firewall.

[copper holly]

Managed to get a obliterate talent on a vest but need to get lucky with ceska then

[copper holly]

Interesting

I'm currently using the f2000 but not sure what the best mods are

[lyric prism]

crit crit crit and the +20 mag.

well crit crit +mag

[copper holly]

Ok

I don't even have the 20+ mag lol

[wise swallow]

they are removing it

[lyric prism]

you have side missions to do.

[wise swallow]

dont get your hopes up about one of the hardest to get gearsets being slightly decent

[copper holly]

Yep

[lyric prism]

now I'm going to go roll around in countdown in the most horror-ridden set I have made this year just to get the exp done on it.

[copper holly]

Do you know the names for the cric damages

[lyric prism]

also the C79 scope.

[copper holly]

Ok

Are them used for all weapons basically

[lyric prism]

yes if they can equip them.

long underbarrel and short underbarrel are two different slots.

like the technician pulse laser is long underbarrel so it don't work on several lmg's.

[copper holly]

Ok nice one appreciate ur help

[lyric prism]

np. I'm not the best but I do try to help on the little things. you want good stuff Raucey/iKia /localdeck. the pins in this channel are a goldmine.

[magic pilot]

🥲

[sudden fog]

Could you send me that build please

[onyx sage]

it's the exact same buff

[lyric prism]

swap to gunner for banshee pulse.

I like the 2nd one better @sudden fog more mobile

and a sledgehammer secondary guy would be best, not the AR.

[drifting panther]

kk

[magic pilot]

Ahhh wasn't sure

[drifting panther]

is vile nerfed btw

[magic pilot]

No

[onyx sage]

not iirc

[drifting panther]

it felt less weaker than i remember

[rich cosmos]

💀

[onyx sage]

what build

[rich cosmos]

Typical

[drifting panther]

like from 10 meters or something

[magic pilot]

Hanu a waste imo

Either run yaahl or electrique

[drifting panther]

i made a build for it years when eclipse came out

farmed hours for a golan

[magic pilot]

Electrique is the same bonus now lol

I have the golan pieces still though

[onyx sage]

relic of a bygone era

[magic pilot]

Also I need to craft a hunter killer all red before they remove it

It's on trello now

[drifting panther]

hunter killer?

[onyx sage]

named golan chest with perf intim

[magic pilot]

Named chest you get from killing the Ny hunters

[drifting panther]

they're removing it?

[magic pilot]

The bp is in descent rn but it's a bug and I got it

[drifting panther]

i forgot about the hunter killer

[onyx sage]

it's pretty good

[magic pilot]

Not worth over ceska though iirc

Good for regen/hazpro tho

[drifting panther]

because they never really did anything about the hunters as a puzzle tbh

[drifting panther]

oh. doesn't really look worth to me tbh

[sudden fog]

Ty

[true thunder]

Ah I see that is really powerful

[pastel pasture]

is there a difference between perfect Headhunter and regulkkar headhunter?

[true thunder]

I need to get a build for it 😦

[true thunder]

What’s the hunter killer?

[drifting panther]

More damage

Like a huge damage boost

[onyx sage]

same damage cap, but kills after 0 stack and before full stack have stronger damage

[pastel pasture]

Has anyone played around with the hasburg 2 piece set?

[buoyant perch]

same damage at max stack but 2nd shot has bigger damage

[pastel pasture]

For 10% more mmr dmg? Or is the airladi 5% wd more than the mmr dmg?

[onyx sage]

habsburg 2p is better than airaldi 1p but you can run both

[pastel pasture]

Wait wat

[onyx sage]

yeah, you can do 2p habs, 1p airaldi, 3p hotshot

it's one of the strongest mmr setups rn albeit hard to farm

[pastel pasture]

give up perfect HH?

[onyx sage]

you can, it's preference, just test out and see if it matters to you

or you can run 2p habs with chainkiller

the difference is going to be very marginal however

[tawdry flare]

It will not matter that much in the grand scheme

[lyric prism]

whatever is the chest brand will still talent to HH correct?

[onyx sage]

yes

[pastel pasture]

was there a way to find chunga health? or dmg needed to break helmet?

[tawdry flare]

On solo it is around 16 million

For chunga helmet afai have researched

[pastel pasture]

is this number more or the same as u move up difficulty/legendary 4 man?

[onyx sage]

me and @ancient dune were about to get back into it

[onyx sage]

my predictions say it will increase by 20% exponentially by group size

[tawdry flare]

Definitely will increase

[onyx sage]

the pattern has been 1.2^(n-1) for pretty much everything

[tawdry flare]

Mhh I have some info on 4 player dogs it is greater than 20milliom and less than 28 million

[pastel pasture]

doesnt dogs have some kind of armor u need to break? before u hit the health pool? or is that the number of the armor

[tawdry flare]

Source used demo firefly two times

[tawdry flare]

Directly to the legs by passes it

[buoyant perch]

armor plate, but armor plate + no armor are both health

[ancient dune]

from my notes, it should be about 15.5M for solo legendary and 26.9M for 4P scaled

[pastel pasture]

i dont think u can hit 28mil with a non exotic rifle(or tac50)?

[ancient dune]

if you want to crack it with headhunter you need to be able to do 26.9M on a bodyshot

doable with model 700

alternatively you can build DtH 🤢

that should guarantee crack

also would work on IH chunga if that's your jam

[tawdry flare]

Yes determined bypasses the armour plating too for dogs

[ancient dune]

doesn't count as a headshot though

so it doesn't do headshot damage it just guarantees the bullet lands on the helmet

[pastel pasture]

determined is broken

dont use it guys (joke)

[buoyant perch]

nope

[tawdry flare]

It does

For dogs

It deals directly to health

[buoyant perch]

nope, it doesn't

everything on the dogs are health

[ancient dune]

🛌 but it doesn't refresh headhunter stack

because dogs have a delayed death

[tawdry flare]

I meant the dogs direct health

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[ancient dune]

You could already direct health dogs by shooting them in the leg 🤷‍♂️

[buoyant perch]

armor plate is not armor, armor plate is still health

[pastel pasture]

So what ur saying is the two things I have a hard time with, I could just put DMG to Health on my m700 and start chainkilling???

[tawdry flare]

Yeah but try that with shooting them anywhere except legs and special spot

[ancient dune]

yea you could do that, DtH scales headhunter damage so it's pretty strong if you need it for that specific task

model 700 already overkills regular trash quite hard

it hits between uh

31 and 34M depending on expertise?

[tawdry flare]

I meant that health armour plating over their base health

[buoyant perch]

determined definitely doesn't bypass plate

[pastel pasture]

thats not gonna one shot a chunga, but it should atleast knock there helmet off right? in 4man leg*

[tawdry flare]

Seems right

[tawdry flare]

Time to do solo legendary tidal have dogs so will be easy

1st room will tell you all

[ancient dune]

even with ragers, an elite on legendary has about 29M armour + health so you should easily kill

[pastel pasture]

so is dth better the more u scale?

[ancient dune]

only on health

[tawdry flare]

Tell me than how the hell determined snipers one shots dogs on legendary 4P scaling

[ancient dune]

if it's not a direct shot against something without armour it's worthless

[buoyant perch]

this is your original statement and I say that it is false

[pastel pasture]

Oh

alot of things have armor

[ancient dune]

it's not so bad, with a model 700 you should still do about 30M or so depending on expertise

[buoyant perch]

it shoots off the armor plate then the base health, it doesn't bypass anything

[tawdry flare]

Made correction

[pastel pasture]

yee, i look into it ty for that

[ancient dune]

👍 It's a weirdly niche thing where you could roll DtH on the gun and it might be optimal

[tawdry flare]

A dog with armour plate is definitely more than 30 mil

[buoyant perch]

if you want to actually bypass the plate, you need to use non determined and shoot the legs with HH stack

[tawdry flare]

M870 DTH

[shy willow]

Can't you just shoot the plate with determined and there you go kill

Doesn't refresh HH but does refresh determined

[ancient dune]

yea it pulls it to the dogs secret headshot spot

[pastel pasture]

i was thinking that as well, but having a chunga in ur face is not recommended lol

[tawdry flare]

It is

[ancient dune]

you could def make it work if you were cracked enough with HHF

@onyx sage mr dien

play that zoo clip

[tawdry flare]

@onyx sage what do you think about this statement

[onyx sage]

hmm, determined does do that

[tawdry flare]

I have an idea to proof my theory

Get determined without hh stack

[onyx sage]

nothing can both destroy armor plating and kill actual health in 1 bullet

[tawdry flare]

Shoot dog than shoot armour plating

The armour plating will still be there

But determined will directly affect his base health

[ancient dune]

actually does determined let you do HSD modified damage against dogs

[tawdry flare]

I think yeah

[ancient dune]

🤔

[tawdry flare]

Otherwise there ain't no way you can hit 26 million

Without hsd like

Like on chunga helmets

[ancient dune]

nah you definitely can hit 26M on body

[tawdry flare]

And people one shot dogs with determined on legendary

[ancient dune]

I don't think dogs have that much actual HP anyway

[tawdry flare]

We can test with demo firefly

[buoyant perch]

determined allows \you to shoot plate AND armor in one hit but doesn't "bypass" the plate

[tawdry flare]

It does without breaking the plate

[buoyant perch]

its base health is riddiculously small

[shy willow]

It literally goes straight through the plate

[onyx sage]

for dogs the plating is ignored

[buoyant perch]

otherwise we could one hit them with much lower damage

[tawdry flare]

It's not as low as you think

[onyx sage]

you can hit anywhere and determined will redirect it to the invisible head hitbox

[tawdry flare]

Or you could say ultra pro max secret spot

[onyx sage]

for chungas it works as expected

[shy willow]

I wonder if chungas have any gaps in their plates

[ancient dune]

Okay it's hard but you have a few options for cracking chunga plate in one hit with a model 700:

• High end build with maximum peak bodyshot damage (2 hotshot, 2 habs, chain, airaldi) and maybe 10-15 expertise
• Above but replace airaldi with hollowman, no expertise
• Roll DtH on Model 700, again no expertise

[onyx sage]

it's relatively easy to see if a dog still has intact plating, just do a determined full stack hh on it and see if plating still remains

[tawdry flare]

They also have super secret spot around their neck

[shy willow]

Oh shit

[ancient dune]

basically the answer is DtH 🤢

[tawdry flare]

Can confirm lol have one shotted them

[tawdry flare]

DTH META For IH

[pastel pasture]

wat is thhis secret spot on the neck?

[shy willow]

Foam chunga one shots

[ancient dune]

don't worry guys I have the super secret meta; literally just walk inside his hitbox and then shoot

quite shrimple really

[tawdry flare]

Supa simpre

[pastel pasture]

imma need you to test that theory plz

[shy willow]

Ah the secret stick your barrel inside them strategy

[ancient dune]

i said it as a joke but it genuinely works if you clip hard enough into them

you'd probably die from the bleed hive though

[tawdry flare]

Same with Manning bosses

[tawdry flare]

Shoot around their neck

[ancient dune]

anywya brb im gonna go look for a hsd rolled hollowman 💀

[shy willow]

FFS💀

[pastel pasture]

i think replacing airldi with hallowman, gives u the best of both worlds

you can still have dtooc on ur m700 as well

[tawdry flare]

Farm descent get the blueprint ezy

[shy willow]

I missed last time yaahl came round and don't have any mats

[pastel pasture]

Where?

[onyx sage]

here

jk you can craft with bp

[shy willow]

🫙👨

[buoyant perch]

it would make sense if the "head" is the leg with 90% damage reduction, otherwise one shot damage can't be that high

[ancient dune]

i have bp i just need to get more yaahl mats 💀

[sudden fog]

Cant believe I’m playing division at 4am

[shy willow]

You can oneshot hounds with determined on 4p legendary scaling lol

[sudden fog]

Testing out my negotiator build but I think I done it wrong

[buoyant perch]

yeah I have done it too

[sudden fog]

Is 60/124 good for negotiator dilema or too low

[shy willow]

Quite low

Post it here let's take a peek

[sudden fog]

Stats or

[shy willow]

The gear

[pastel pasture]

Whats bp again backpack?

[shy willow]

Blueprint

[pastel pasture]

I thought hallowman was a mask?

Oh

Yea i dont have the blueprint yet

[copper holly]

What set is that

[gentle lichen]

Negotiator's dilemma

[shy willow]

Hmm swap off intimidate for obliterate

You might be over capped on CHC too

[lyric prism]

if you swap to your pistol what does the crit chance go to, assuming no crit on the pistol?

[sudden fog]

Yeah I am

I just took of a chc mod and didn’t move lol

[shy willow]

If you roll some of it off so you get 50 percent crit chance

That'll be good cuz when you get your shd up it'll hit closer to 60

[tawdry flare]

You are way too overcap for Crit chance

[shy willow]

Negosh has a lot of built in crit

[onyx sage]

the damage reduction doesn't affect hh, and iirc determined hh shot is higher damage than leg shot so it makes sense

unless you're saying leg shot and determined shot deal the exact same damage

[lyric prism]

yea roll the ND's stuff until you are sitting at above 50% crit. Yes, the cap is 60% but Coyotes will carry you. Coyotes crit of 10% does not show in the stats page. 10% is assumed on the distance of most encounters with enemies.

[tawdry flare]

DMG reduction on leg doesn work with hh or crit DMG

[sudden fog]

Yeah I just got it to 60/150 need to get more CHD mods

[ancient dune]

it does work on the base damage so it'd affect crit damage and your hh damage would go down a tiny bit

[onyx sage]

non crit leg shot hh is just hh bonus + shot damage × 0.1

[sudden fog]

Ty for help guys

[lyric prism]

with ND and Elmo's it gets you way up there.

[onyx sage]

determined makes it so you don't have to hit leg