td2-build-advice

[slate pendant]

with f2k and dark winter it was 60%

[shy willow]

Huhhh

[slate pendant]

or no sorry

crit chance, not damage

[tawdry flare]

Crit is low use ceska

[shy willow]

Once you swap in ceska and get full crit rolls it'll get better

And I assume you have crit mods for your guns?

[slate pendant]

Don't have one, once I set up a good temp build im gonna go grind for one

[slate pendant]

I believe I have some yes

Yes I do

[shy willow]

What you have now is ample for challenging countdown already

Go farm for a good ceska chest and a coyotes/grupo mask

[slate pendant]

is fox's prayers good? I think I saw a bunch of people using those knee pads for striker

[shy willow]

If you have good crit sure

[slate pendant]

I have 60% crit chance and 57.1 crit damage with the temp build rn

[shy willow]

Good enough

[flint wave]

57% damn

[shy willow]

Just hit countdown

And get the right pieces asap

[shy willow]

Doesn't it start at 50 too😭

[flint wave]

Idk

[shy willow]

It's that or 25

[flint wave]

it's 25

[shy willow]

Ah

[slate pendant]

This is how my temp is set up rn, so I need ceska and coyotes mask to make it complete yes? (excluding ouroboros)

[shy willow]

You need crit chance and crit damage attributes on everything

Coyotes mask or grupo mask

And ceska chest with obliterate talent

[slate pendant]

Alright, thanks for the help, appreciate it

[shy willow]

[lyric prism]

is Perfect Clutch broken?

[slate pendant]

I actually just got a guapo chest piece with unbreakable

[fallen comet]

what gear set gives the D50 determined more damage, 4 piece hotshot or hunter fury

[tulip charm]

pretty sure hotshot doesnt work with pistols

[vestal ibex]

Is this GE related?

[fallen comet]

yes but also in general

[vestal ibex]

If you wanna crank pistol kills then I'd say HF, chainkiller, DH backpack vigi or memento. With the GE you can get away with a D50 and chainkiller.

[lyric prism]

also, for this GE, if you are doing Stranded Tanker, please shoot the chungas in the head or when dead. Undead flamethrowers that reach a mile, not so fun.

[hexed steppe]

I'm thinking this with all the striker builds just leaving npcs half dead....

[flint wave]

people need to shoot that helmet breaking barrel on the back more

especially in countdown

[proven orbit]

Yeah that one is the first weakspot I break

[hexed steppe]

1shot for helmet, 2nd shot pops the head

[proven orbit]

Shooting the tank on the normal ADs is still fun tho

[pastel shard]

Does anyone know what the best sniper is for sniper builds with the new changes?
I was using Ekim's long stick but idk if there are any better alternatives

[vestal ibex]

Well the short answer is, anything you were using before works the same or better. If you wanna hit big numbers(doesn't mean new breakpoints) go with the Model 700 for picking your talent, elkims long stick for ranger big D, or the Tac or carbon M700 if you want a little bit less big numbers but an extra mod.

[pastel shard]

ty

[lyric prism]

SR-1

[upper patrol]

Haven't played for a big while now, is ouoboros still op af?

[tulip charm]

still strong

[sacred raven]

anything new on update ? i got new exotic and leave game asap nothing new to still striker using by %90 playerbase other gearset are dogshit

[acoustic coral]

What specifically are you asking?

[hexed steppe]

#patch-notes its quite a list, enjoy the read 🤔

[onyx sage]

people need to shoot chungas in the head more

[hazy steeple]

Shoot them in the butt.

[acoustic coral]

Buttgas

[flint wave]

average dark hours player

[acoustic coral]

Which one of us? 🤨

[sacred raven]

already read that

[hexed steppe]

Guess you know the answer to your question then

[blissful rampart]

Just FYI, ARs and SMGs on the sheet have been updated (the weapon stats tab)

[flint wave]

madman

[hazy steeple]

Cmon, show Azur some love.

[sacred raven]

yea update is bs i got my answer thanks

[lyric prism]

lol

[hazy steeple]

Thinking that every build outside of Striker is terrible is so very odd.
Plenty of other builds work great, Striker is just the best in its category.

e.g. Strikers is a terrible MMR setup, a terrible healer, a terrible CC build.

[iron iris]

the update in a nutshell: useless exotics and updates to modes and items nobody has used or played in a very long time

[acoustic coral]

You uhm.. don't think they updated the unused items for a reason?

[iron iris]

i know that, but nobody is going to use them still

and most of the guns they upgraded were just items so hard to get that nobody could use them, like the ravenous and eagle bearer

they were fine how they were and yet still got buffs

[acoustic coral]

"Most of the guns" lmao. Almost every gun has been tuned to be more viable for different builds, in some cases throwing off "the best" from before Project Resolve. This is all being theorised, guides are being updated. We're only in week two of Resolve.

[proven orbit]

I'd like exotics to be more exotic, lot are just kinda niche and weird and others basically just specialize at doing X thing by combining two weapons

[iron iris]

and yet, no mention of the vector being buffed, which is funny but i doubt they'd bother since they added ourobos months ago and intentionally made it the meta in pvp to get the player count up and to get people to play the new mode that is just an easier watered down raid that is somehow still too hard for people to complete somehow

[acoustic coral]

26 SMGs (just smgs) were buffed in total, but you nitpick the vector because "most buffed guns are hard to get"? What?

[iron iris]

the vector is obsolete now but they decided it was a good idea to buff the two raid guns that render anyone with a decent damage build invincible

and yet they wont buff the vector nobody on earth uses because they added an exotic one that is so powerful that people actually get bored of it, and yet that still isn't a convincing enough sign that they probably should nerf ourobos

ourobos is so good that it's pretty much the ONLY exotic you should be using with a damage build

[rich cosmos]

I mean no

A lot of guns are usable, just stop conforming to meta

[iron iris]

kind of hard to not conform to a meta when they add guns specifically for a meta

[rich cosmos]

The reason Oreo is so good is because its stats are off the roof, that’s about it

Its basically a normal ass vector

[iron iris]

it's a vector but not garbage

it basically has some of the stats the regular vector should've had from the start

[rich cosmos]

So broken and busted?

[iron iris]

im saying nerf ourobos and give vectors half of what ourobos can do

that would solve every problem, but ubisoft wont do that

[rich cosmos]

Clown behavior

[urban latch]

its not, it really is unbalanced

[rich cosmos]

I meant if you ignored its stat boosts

[urban latch]

uh... what...

[jagged linden]

Can i get some help

[iron iris]

people only defend ourobos because ubisoft locked it behind the most boring mode in the game that can be done in 20 minutes or less with a squad without brain tumors ( the average d2 player thinks it is hard )

[urban latch]

whats up

[jagged linden]

I have a question I’m trying to transfer an item in recalibration but it says i dont have enough resources what and with this new update it doesn’t say what i need to tinker the item what do i need in resources to transfer an attribute onto an item

[iron iris]

i would still rather play 1000 rounds of summit on legendary than to play the incursion again

why? because i'm a solo player, i'm not going to try to painstakingly find 3 other people who have specific builds that everyone should be using in the incursion just because i have to explain every step to the average player

ubisoft forgot that grinding is ok unless it's designed to feel like a job

[flint wave]

Dude get off the spreadsheets and play the game

[random sigil]

for the F2k are people liking Fast hands, strained, optimist, or flatline?

[flint wave]

There's plenty of reasons not to use ouro

[urban latch]

its currently a bug, hopefully it will be fixed soon. All you can really do is look at what materials your low on, and its likely that. not a great answer atm though I know

[rich cosmos]

Finally someone knowledgeable

[acoustic coral]

Let's get back on track, this has nothing to do with build advice, it's not even about project resolve anymore, it's ranting about the ouroborus - and the vector (it's basic version, lol comparing to an exotic) not being as good. Keep it clean guys

[flint wave]

you know like being an smg

[jagged linden]

I have 297 steel the rest I’m maxed on

[urban latch]

your recalibrating or are you optimizing?

[jagged linden]

Recal

[urban latch]

credits then?

[jagged linden]

Like transfer an item

Tht might be it idk

Im trying to make 1 shot pistol build

Any advice

[urban latch]

Give this a look

[jagged linden]

Thnx will the liberty work too

[urban latch]

get a D50 with determined, liberty isnt that great tbh

ideally regulus

[iron iris]

bold to assume this person has regulus or is willing to grind for regulus

[flint wave]

for the duration of this global event d50 determined is more powerful then regulus

[urban latch]

its the best gun in the game in my personal favorite thing to do in the game. So why not

[iron iris]

im willing to bet less than 3K people who have played D2 actually have that gun

[jagged linden]

Is the new mosquito any good

[iron iris]

it's worthless

it just makes enemies target you

it's hilarious that they'd make an exotic where the only thing it does is add stacks to make enemies target you

i cannot think of how that could possibly be useful in any way

[flint wave]

raid bosses

[urban latch]

The idea is to get agro for tanks, the main problem with it tbh is that it doesnt really get enough agro to be worth it lol

[rich cosmos]

Its a teamplay exotic

[iron iris]

what we really need is a solo play exotic 🧌

[rich cosmos]

You have that, memento

[acoustic coral]

You're consequently getting off track. Actual build advice and not ranting, thanks.

[iron iris]

gun

[rich cosmos]

Every gun is a solo play gun

[iron iris]

( cries in mosquito )

[hexed steppe]

some 🧀 to go with the whine

[rich lotus]

Not great but this is what I have so far from last night, definitely needs a lot of improvement

[hazy steeple]

It's a good start, but definitely needs some work.
Keep it up, Agent!

[rich lotus]

Definitely haha right now it's working on getting a better primary weapon then back to farming more strikers to try improve it more

[hazy steeple]

The weird things about Strikers is that the chest piece is only useful if you are going against Incursion/Legendary type enemies, aka: ones with massive health pools.
Otherwise it's far better to just go high-end.

The absolute meta setup for general play is just "coyotes mask, 4pc striker, ceska chest".
then the main gun is some kind of AR, Elmo is a nice and easy one to throw on there since it has a massive amount of free crit chance (chc)

[rich lotus]

Ah so I'd need a striker backpack over my Memento and the coyotes mask and ceska chest then, yeah I'm hoping to get Elmo from countdown but so far no luck

[hazy steeple]

Well there are certainly other variations of Striker, Memento included.

[magic pilot]

For shd 12 you have a great starting point

[hazy steeple]

Raucey's Striker page will be a lot of help, just pick and choose what works for ya.

[rich lotus]

Yeah I feel like I got pretty lucky with get a Mememto backpack as my first ever exotic, good to know there's variations of the build where I can still use it

[rich lotus]

Thanks its been feeling pretty decent so far but after seeing some videos of players much much higher powered I see I still have a lot of work to do

[hazy steeple]

Div2 is all about that tiny little increase, each one added on makes you so much stronger over time.
Don't worry about rushing it, it'll still be there in a year's time.

[rich lotus]

Oh yeah without a doubt it's gonna be one slow slow grind but that's fine I've been having a blast anyway, well except the times I die in countdown lol

[magic pilot]

You have super high end dmg with you build rn but starting dmg will be super low

You have to build memento, chameleon and striker stacks

[rich lotus]

Ah I see

[magic pilot]

That's why a lot of players use obliterate chest because it builds to max after 25 shots

And weapon talents that increase as you fire the gun like strained or optimis

[rich lotus]

Oh ok so seems like I need to get an obliterate chest then, and I have strained in my library I assume it goes on the shotgun since I can't put it on the chameleon?

[hazy steeple]

Well Chameleon isn't actually an amazing choice, the shotgun though is pretty much perfect to have on there.
the idea of the acs-12 is to build the stacks, then you swap to your main gun to kill stuff.

most people use a high-end AR (Assault Rifle) although Elmo is a very easy replacement for that, and does exceptionally well.

[rich lotus]

Oh yeah I'm definitely trying to get a better weapon than the chameleon to have as my main

[magic pilot]

I'm gonna be home in about an hour or so, send me a friend request and I'll run with you

[rich lotus]

Bet that'll be great because right now I do decent but definitely not as good as other agents who mow down the countdown enemies in seconds 😂

[magic pilot]

Is your ps the same as discord?

[proven orbit]

Yeah Chameleon honestly isn't very great, it's basically a Vector that takes AR rounds

[rich lotus]

Definitely need a good AR asap then

[proven orbit]

St Elmos Engine

[solar sable]

St Elmos, F2000/Shield Splinterer or Famas.

[rich lotus]

I've been trying to get St Elmos from countdown but no luck so far

[solar sable]

Yeah, I did at least 15 countdown rounds to get an exotic drop
The other day I played 8 rounds and in every single one got an exotic lol, got lucky that day

[rich lotus]

Damn that's nuts

I think I'm closing in on 10 countdown runs and so far only got a chameleon drop for exotics

[fickle light]

you can always buy the caches with countdown currency

[solar sable]

personally I think Chameleon is meh, idk much

[fickle light]

exotic caches, i mean

[rich lotus]

I have been where possible

[hazy steeple]

Doomz is right, incredibly meh.
oh also make sure your difficulty is on Chall for the runs. Don't go lower.

[rich lotus]

Got a Backfire, Sacrum Imperium and Shocker Punch holster so far from the caches

[solar sable]

Most lobbies are on Challenging

[rich lotus]

Yeah I have been doing Chall, well "doing" might not be the right term since I get hard carried through it but yeah lol

[hazy steeple]

You'll learn over time, and as your build improves that'll help a lot too.

[rich lotus]

Yeah for sure

[solar sable]

There are some lobbies that won't make it to extraction, bad luck ig

[rich cosmos]

Lotta free exotic components

[rich lotus]

All of them aren't great?

[rich cosmos]

I think shocker punch is more of a pvp exotic, someone correct me on it, but nah none of them are really worth while, backfire is fine it just takes too much work for something you can make with other builds, its really just there for hazard protection buils

[solar sable]

Backfire is meant to be used on a good Bleed resis build, sacrum is mid and shocker is meant for PvP

[hazy steeple]

You should keep one of each Exotic if it's a good roll just in case, but after that it's up to you if you want duplicates for alt characters or not.

[rich lotus]

Damn that's tough

[solar sable]

but those exos are pretty common I'd say

[rich lotus]

I mean they are all in the stash atm but I hope I can get a good exotic soon, aside from my backpack everything else I have gotten seems to not be great

[solar sable]

My game just crashed before extracting... damn it.

[rich cosmos]

What are you looking for

[rich lotus]

St Elmos mostly

Or just a pretty good AR in general

[rich cosmos]

Just search for ars in countdown

I got two elmos in the same challenging run of countdown the other day

[rich lotus]

That's what I've been doing, just been extremely unlucky

[rich cosmos]

You could also do all the DC hunters to get shield splinterer

[rich lotus]

Does that take a while to do?

[vagrant dirge]

What y’all favorite solo skill build for heroic stuff?

[rich cosmos]

Depends

A lot of them require in game night time

[rich lotus]

Ah dang

[gusty tapir]

any build against heroic hunter? I suppose full Blue. Is pestillence could work or elmo better?

[proven orbit]

I use Pestilence against hunters, keeps constant damage ticking on them

[haughty wraith]

There are 12 hunters in DC, most of them can be done in day time, you could do the day time hunters while waiting for night time. so It doesn't really take long to do all 12 hunters in DC.

[gusty tapir]

wasn't there a set that make you immune to emp

[magic pilot]

I got him Elmo's already lol

[rich cosmos]

?

Who

[rich lotus]

Me

[proven orbit]

Tactician specialty makes you immune to EMP while near skills like your hive

Drop a like hive or turret before popping it and you'll be immune to it

[tulip charm]

Faraday

[gusty tapir]

forgot tactician and my sniper turret build thanks

[proven orbit]

That and it's more of a bug than feature sometimes if you frame perfect roll it just doesn't apply the emp effect

[haughty drift]

Got a lot of system corruption pieces. What would I put on it? Thinking more pvp because I need to farm stuff in the dz.

[rich lotus]

Damn this thing feels like it melts even without a well optimised build

[hazy steeple]

Strikers is a beast for sure, especially on Challenging.

[rich lotus]

I wasn't even really able to build stacks with the
shotgun because of the distance but St Elmo is just that good I suppose

[hazy steeple]

When you hit Heroic you'll start to notice Strikers itself putting in more of the work, since right now Challenging is not like "easy", but it's going to become your new low difficulty, if that makes sense.

[rich lotus]

Ah yeah that makes sense

Still feels quite difficult to be fair I've found myself dying often enough or low on armor quite a bit

[hazy steeple]

You'll improve over time, it's all a learning process.
you got this Agent

[rich lotus]

[blissful inlet]

Of course, Striker is the best dps currently 👌🏻🔥

[rich lotus]

It's not even super well optimised atm

[blissful inlet]

Good start, you don't have enough armor so be careful, don't get too close to the enemies 🏃🏻‍♂️

[rich lotus]

Yeah I've been finding that out the hard way

[rich lotus]

What's the current peak red striker

[hazy steeple]

Like, the build? It depends on what you are doing, and more importantly: where.

[rich lotus]

OURO+AR full red to melt things

Not for pvp

I've seen a lot coyotes+GS obliterate with Elmos

Would that work fine with ouro and a famas too?

Or are there better options

[hazy steeple]

The where part is important.
e.g. if you're talking about enemies having massive health pools (e.g. Legendary/Incursion), then you want to use the striker chest+bp, coyotes, and a ceska piece. Swap out the ceska for Bloody Knuckles exotic gloves for boss DPS.
If not, then make the Chest a Ceska instead and the gloves Striker.

Obliterate is a great choice for the chest Talent.

[rich lotus]

Yeah it's mostly for DH and legs/incursion

[hazy steeple]

It might be easier if you just check out Raucey's build that's 📌 pinned in this channel > spreadsheet 2 > Strikers.

there's a lot of nuance depending on the setup.

[onyx sage]

DH and legos use ceska chest, incursion uses striker chest, but yeah reference raucey for that

some of the later legos do use striker chest but be comfy with ceska chest first

[rich lotus]

I always used chest but recently swapped it to glass cannon to try it out and the damage output is out of the spectrum lol

But having to play extremely safe

[onyx sage]

chest actually gives the most

[rich lotus]

If chest striker then would contractors be best in slot?

[onyx sage]

no... coyote and ceska still

[rich lotus]

OH forgot about the mask lol

[rich lotus]

What if your worry isn't chc?

Ceska still worth it?

[onyx sage]

if you're using ouro then replace with fox

[rich lotus]

Id rather go GS since my ouro is already maxed

[rich lotus]

My ouro has DTOC though wouldn't contractors be best for that

[hazy steeple]

The issue isn't worrying about CHC, it's that your gearset only has 1 attribute slot, so you can pack more CHD into your build.

[rich lotus]

Its what Im wondering

[onyx sage]

it's still better because not everything has armor

[rich lotus]

18% DTOC / 10% DTOC + 8% DTA again messing with me

I never know which one is more worth lol

Ig depends on what it is again

Lots of dogs then 18% dtoc

[hazy steeple]

As bino' said, DtA is worth less overall since not every enemy has it.
remember that it's only the ones with the white bars over their health, and that the heavies (and yeah dogs) don't actually count.

[rich lotus]

Are all heavies non health armored? I barely notice that stuff I usually just dump ammo in them

[onyx sage]

all chungas (except some very limited scenarios) have health only

[rich lotus]

So striker ouro with fox+coyotes best output for general pve?

[hazy steeple]

We tend to call it "plating" when it's on enemies like that, to avoid confusion.

[rich lotus]

Yeah I was scrambling to words on what to call it lol

[onyx sage]

general use wouldn't be that, it'd be grupo chest with oblit + coyote

striker chest is only for incursion

[hazy steeple]

And kinda Countdown but some people disagree.

[rich lotus]

Why chest only for incursion? less time spending hiding or stacking up compared to other things?

[hazy steeple]

Striker chest takes longer to build up than an Obliterate ceska piece. is the tl;dr reason why it's less useful in general PvE.

[rich lotus]

I see

[hazy steeple]

higher ceiling though, so Incursion is its friend.

[ancient dune]

The chest only becomes a gain past 150 stacks or so

[rich lotus]

I don't find stacks all that hard to stacks thats why Im confused

[ancient dune]

So you'd need content where you're consistently past 150 stacks to make it worth it

[rich lotus]

Although it does fall off quickly on the 3s

[rich lotus]

Ooh compared to OB?

[ancient dune]

Yeah

[rich lotus]

All I needed thanks lol

[ancient dune]

👍

[onyx sage]

oblit also stacks separately from striker so you get to peak much faster

[patent elm]

I've seen some people also use bloody knuckles specifically for incursion if you can time it right

[elfin token]

Hi I'm looking for the best carrying build to help other out

New to end game with dlc

[shy willow]

Bloody knuckles is excellent for wright and lovebirds

[warm narwhal]

Anyone got a conflict build I can use as a new player to the game mode. Seems impossible to find double crit on gear whilst being able to roll to blue cores for some pieces.

[acoustic coral]

He said "new player to the game mode".
How are you ever getting from new to experienced ... and there it was removed

[warm narwhal]

??? Was asking what people would recommend for gear to look for etc. what a ridiculous response.

[sudden fog]

Striker

[acoustic coral]

You could scout through the build sheets and see if any is "pvp-esque" - otherwise nerds from different timezones will be on during the day and might have an idea for you. I don't touch PvP in Div2, fuck that, so can't help you. Other than grind, grind, grind with regards to getting the proper rolls

[sudden fog]

Fuck pvp not high enough shd for that

[acoustic coral]

Frankie asked for Conflict builds

[sudden fog]

Is there still cheaters in pvp

[warm narwhal]

Yeah just seems like I run into 4 level 100 players every match 🙃 just want to be able to kill something lol. My first match we went 0-16 in skirmish

[sudden fog]

Lad wtf

[hexed steppe]

Nego is a good all around dps.
Nego- bag/gloves/knee/holster, ceska or grupo obliterate chest, coyote mask. All crit damage/crit chance. You want close to 60%chc with nego regardless of coyote buff.

The crit transfer mechanic damages up to 3 marks with any crits you land.
This really grabs aggro since you are doing 3x the damage.

I wouldn't use it in incursion/raid where you need a lot of single target damage, but everywhere else is fine. Nego is 😍

Another notable because of the current event is headhunter hotshot.
Chainkiller headhunter named chest, airaldi vigilance bag, 4pc hotshot. Headshot damage/weapon handling

M700 tac on above listed hotshot build is hitting 80mil-90mil during reanimated.

[acoustic coral]

There's been some highly efficient xp farms/glitch farms in the past that people have utilised. Played IH with a lad around 95K SHD

[sudden fog]

He had like 9k hours or sum stupid like that aswell

[acoustic coral]

Could be somewhat legit then. 5 SHD levels "pr hour" is very achievable

[tawdry flare]

With convoy you could do 40 pr/hr

[lilac agate]

how?

[acoustic coral]

Wish I played back then, love chasing convoys.

[tawdry flare]

The method hot fixed

It was the legal way to farm xp than

[sudden fog]

Negotiators dilemma?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

Nego can do things that every other gear set can only dream of

[hexed steppe]

Yeah nego is what I use for wony carries and general dps needs. Works great since most of the time there are multiple npc.
An added bonus, crit damage that's transfered is conditioned on the npc you hit. So if you have out of cover damage on your weapon and the npc you are hitting is out of cover, then the other marks take that full damage regardless if they are in cover or not.
Nego can also destroy some immune items through transfer if they are marked.

Once you put it on you'll fall in love 😍

[onyx sage]

but i want to deal one headhunterillion damage

[tawdry flare]

Capped at 511

[tawdry flare]

I use oxi for wony carry at the end

[hexed steppe]

Same, just not a tier 6 like you 😍

[tawdry flare]

I have carried raucey once too lol and one clan mate too

The clan mate was ready to shoot keener didn't even get the chance to aim

[hexed steppe]

Yeah it's too funny when he dies as hes hitting the ground

[tawdry flare]

I killed the federal bunker boss when he was breaking the glass @half frigate was there with me

[urban latch]

Pvp takes time to get a proper build together. 100 shd is quite low tbh, so if your even below that just realize your likely far away from being on a level playing field with more experienced players.

Probably the easiest version that will work to get setup is a striker build with an unbreakable chest, and 4p striker with blue cores. It's not the best pvp build, but it can get you started.

[warm narwhal]

I should have said they was conflict level 100 where im like level 4 now lol, but point still stands im only SHD level 76

[wise swallow]

sorry but without the 10 CHC your fucked in PVP

from watch

[tame flax]

when u think 10 short of chc is your biggest problem in pvp

[warm narwhal]

best way for xp then? just do more countdown or open world maybe?

[shy willow]

How tf

[tawdry flare]

Oxis

[shy willow]

Id never have thought of that tbh

[tawdry flare]

The game bugged though

Had to restart the league

[wise swallow]

it really is

in terms of builds yea youll be 2~ shots behind everyone else

even if you have maxxed gear

yea you can play around it but

it is still a big handicap

you also cant really use some other gearsets like striker, youll have very low CHD

[tame flax]

When all u think the world of pvp is just chc/chd only sure

[wise swallow]

??? yea im gonna recommend a HSD build to a new player

when did i say the entire world of PVP is CHC/CHD

were talking about builds. so ofc CHC and CHD matter

[tame flax]

Many other builds dont rely on chc/chd

For pvp

[wise swallow]

again. a HSD build isnt a great idea for a new player.

unless your talking about running status

which is fine also

[weary pier]

trench warfare build

[wise swallow]

im curious. what builds?

[urban latch]

How effective are status builds now after the update?

[wise swallow]

Fire is still strong. still ticks like crazy and is annoying as fuck. but their even easiser to counter now

their still strong but their so easily countered and everyone knows how to counter them that i just dont recommend it

mortar builds are strong but not really status

[deep rover]

foam is goated for group

[wise swallow]

yea foam is good, dont really need an entire build around it but still good

I havent messed around foam a whole lot tbh

just use on any build

[deep rover]

eclipse with creeping death is fine for fire and foam

dont have to switch anything but the skill

[urban latch]

We're taking pvp, things are a bit different for status there

[deep rover]

ah yea ok, i usually just run EMP there, although foam still pretty good

[slate wedge]

Status is still nearly as strong as before

[wise swallow]

its basically the same. some people think shock is less strong but idk not being able to shoot and walking at the pace of a snail might aswell be not moving at all

[slate wedge]

shock is way worse than before but fire, bleed and foam are still nice

[wise swallow]

idk i think shock really hasnt changed

all you can do is walk at 0.2mph

shock is also stupid easy to counter but thats all status effects now

[slate wedge]

i like that you can go back into cover when shocked

[muted hare]

Hey guys I have a question for an exotic The mantis rifle is it worth using?

[shy willow]

It's purely the way you play and what you like man

You can make anything work in solo heroic

Mantis isn't a bad sniper by any means but it gets overshadowed by the new big boys like m700

[pastel shard]

anyone got some strikers recommendations/builds currently running NBS' striker build (2 red 4 blue)

[shy willow]

4 blue is too much

Unless you're in pvp or something

[rich cosmos]

Umbra

[slate wedge]

6 red striker with ceska obliterate chest and coyotes with oreo and an l86 is the best casual striker build rn

[slate wedge]

striker recommendation: umbra lmao

[pastel shard]

ty lmao

[rich cosmos]

🦡

[flint wave]

lol that's anything but casual

[slate wedge]

noy that hard to play

[shy willow]

I was surprised by how many people can't play a full red

[wise swallow]

Just use EB if you struggle with all red :)

[shy willow]

Because muh health gon cuz I play it like its cod

[flint wave]

cuz full red is a hard playstyle

[slate wedge]

can be hard in the beginning but once you get used to it is ez

[rich cosmos]

The reason why I use umbra, sacrificing a little bit of damage for survival

[flint wave]

making simple mistakes gets you killed

solo atleast

[shy willow]

Does memento technically count as all red

[slate wedge]

i wouldn't say so

i'd say it counts as one blue since when talking about "full red" it is about the armor you have and not the damage

[rocky rain]

I need Hyena Tactical Assessment Blueprint. How do I get it?

[flint wave]

Keep doing those control points

[rocky rain]

In Hyena area I assume?

And where possible for sale?

[patent fossil]

You can craft them once you unlock the blueprint

Hyena bounties should drop some in the mean time

[rocky rain]

Exactly what I want

[hexed steppe]

The blueprint can drop from any controlpoint callenging+. Doesnt need to be hyena

[patent fossil]

Keep doing those cps and projects to unlock the blueprints then

[rocky rain]

Something else, I’ve completed Civic Center Manhunt. When will the next chapter begin?

[rocky rain]

Ah, has to be on Challenging… Playing at Hard here. Thanks

[patent fossil]

A few more weeks, see the season menu and scroll to the right

[rocky rain]

Thanks

[patent fossil]

For speed clearing of CPs, throw on a simple headhunter build and an mmr with determined, turn on the reanimated event and get sniping. Easiest in outcast areas since they don't wear helmets. Can clear a heroic CP in under 2m.

[rocky rain]

Great, thanks!!

[hexed steppe]

Sleeping giant is great for repeat clears

[sudden fog]

Good for countdown?

[hexed steppe]

It can be, but striker will do better. Hunters kinda require more single target damage to kill quick.

[flint wave]

hell NO

[hexed steppe]

Or you can be like me and run all hazpro foam eclipse 😎
Hunters stuck to the ground die really quick

[flint wave]

me with hazpro fi healer

[hushed gorge]

Hello chat

[sudden fog]

Why doesn’t it tell me what materials I need to recalibrate

[half frigate]

Hey Kettle, Local

[rocky rain]

Can the Exotic cashes sold at the Seasons-Vendor at the White House also contain Exotic weapons, or only gear?

[magic pilot]

Weapons and gear

[lyric prism]

I'm not sure why but my SR1/Determined I picked up today connects more shots than my WD Nemesis (standard Hotshot build).

also the base dmg on the SR1 is way up, correct?

[urban latch]

I think the sr1 is like the #2 highest base damage behind the base m700

[proven orbit]

It contains exotic items so anything you can get from an exotic cache

[tepid flume]

What's the best Specialization to go along w/ the spreadsheet's standard DPS build?

Or is it just all up to preference?

[flint wave]

gunner

[gentle lichen]

Under testing. Is it worth a 4 brand dump into dth just to make capacitor work with health targets?

20% brings it in line with other ARs

[flint wave]

is that hollowman?

[magic pilot]

I'd say just hollowman and fox

[gentle lichen]

With chc

[gentle lichen]

Yeah that sounds more reasonable

2 pc brazos then or 1 grupo and 1 fenris?

1 of the brazos will be picaro btw

[magic pilot]

Should only use 2 items that have 1 non fixed roll

[flint wave]

if only dta dth and dtoc effected turret and drone

[magic pilot]

So picaros and hollowman then

[gentle lichen]

But you suggested foxes'

That'd be 3

[magic pilot]

Oh memento

Fenris, ceska, grupo, memento, hollowman, picaros

Or trade fenris for 2nd brazos

Picaros definitely worth on that setup, I'd say go the 2 brazos route

This was mine, I swapped contractors for brazos though and ran fox

[hazy steeple]

What is this build for exactly?

[flint wave]

attempt 202949 at making a skill dps hybrid that's good

[lyric prism]

let me guess - if it doesn't do 1mil crit shots with an arrow to the knee then its not good?

[drifting panther]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfI-Ic8LD20 ngn is so based

[hazy steeple]

Oh it's just a hotshot determined w/White Death.

I do appreciate the use of Tacti Drone though, far too few use it.

[wise swallow]

the disclaimer is funny

[sudden fog]

wats hazpro

[acoustic coral]

Hazard Protection

[rich lotus]

Thoughts on best 3rd talent on LMGs

[sudden fog]

do i need hunters fury chestpiece

[hazy steeple]

If you mean the Attributes, fire-rate is overall the "best", as it's what LMG's are lacking the most.

[hazy steeple]

Depending on your build, but overall not really, it's (most of the time) better to go for a high-end ceska piece instead.

[rich lotus]

Yeah - couldn't think of attribute - so you like RoF over CHC or CHD

[hexed steppe]

It's usually rof or chc tbh

Dependent of chc needs

[sudden fog]

can i use memento on hunters fury or best off just getting a grupo bp

[tulip charm]

You can

[urban latch]

Crit chance

[sudden fog]

can run EB on hf?

[wise swallow]

you can

its not very good but you can

[sudden fog]

elmos better?

[wise swallow]

neither is better really tbh

[sudden fog]

ah

[wise swallow]

an SMG would be the best

ouro perferably

[sudden fog]

well time to go run incursion

[hazy steeple]

A lot of high-end ones work fine too, don't feel locked to the Ouro.
although the Ouro is very good.

[rich lotus]

That moment you realise the coyote mask is an exotic and your chest is currently an exotic so you'd have to switch it out 😭

[rich cosmos]

Coyote is better than ridgeways easily

[magic pilot]

What if he meant Tardigrade

[magic pilot]

You need a ceska chest

[rich cosmos]

He posted a pic earlier

[magic pilot]

Damn

[rich lotus]

I've been liking the bleed status that ridgeways gives that's all

[rich cosmos]

Try ongoing directive

Support damage gearset

Based around bleed

[magic pilot]

I was running heroic with 5 directives last night with him lol

[magic pilot]

The bleed will give you some armor regen as well

[rich lotus]

The fact you can do the pistolero one though is nuts

Only directive I have on atm is the special ammo on challenging

[magic pilot]

Lol that's cause of regulus

[hazy steeple]

Highly recommend the skills one too, if you stay active your skills will actually regen far faster than they basically ever could.

I've been running a "red skill" setup with the event on. It's amazing.

[rich lotus]

I use the shield and reviver hive so I guess having the skill one on wouldn't be bad

[hazy steeple]

IIRC Shields are like 1 thing to reset.
Oh also, breaking a weakpoint on an enemy before you collect their skill reset (even after they die) gives you an extra one. So enjoy!

That's one bug I am happy for them to never fix.

[acoustic coral]

I pretty much always run heroic with 4 or 5 directives - depends if I'm sniping or not having pistolero on. Just gotta get comfy on the difficulty

[rich lotus]

Oh that's handy to know

[hazy steeple]

After you get comfy enough on the higher difficulties w/Directives, I highly recommend you swap out reviver hive and try something else, the Gunner Pulse is a great usage there.
Eventually you will just stop using RevHive entirely.

[rich lotus]

I definitely need more survivability before going up to Heroic tbh

[rich lotus]

Yeah it would be great to not have to rely on the RevHive so much

[sudden fog]

hotshot build so nice to have on heroic 4 directive

[rich lotus]

Meanwhile me going for probably the most basic build that everyone seems to go for lol

[sudden fog]

everyone has a striker

prob most reliable

[magic pilot]

I'll be on tomorrow we can run again

[acoustic coral]

I mostly run revhive on any build really, but that's because I turn my brain off too much - and mostly only use one skill actively, else I pew pew the enemies

[acoustic coral]

Have you kissed Chameleon Enjoyer yet?

[sudden fog]

3pcs striker 2pcs true patriot with memento

someone runnibng that in inc looks decentwith chameleon

[rich lotus]

Bet I need all the help I can get

[hazy steeple]

Are they drunk?

[sudden fog]

dunno might work shd 8k

[rich lotus]

Just did a control point and used up all my medkits 😭

[hazy steeple]

@sudden fog SHD level literally does not matter. With all the previous exploits where they didn't roll it back, you end up seeing as many bad SHD 50k players as SHD 3 players.

[sudden fog]

o ye forgot about that

[hazy steeple]

The general rule is "4 pieces or no pieces of a gearset", the only real exception to that is some niche Iron Horse setups, and Hotshot.

and I'm sure someone's going to mention PvP at some point.

[acoustic coral]

No no, they have a channel

[rich cosmos]

I met a dude today with 8k shd and he had 1 piece of true patriots

[sudden fog]

i like being a healer in incursion

[hazy steeple]

It's a low-tier, but noble position.

[hazy steeple]

IKR? Glad to see it paid off.

[sudden fog]

i just shoot people with scorpio

[neon sedge]

Guys

[sudden fog]

yes

[neon sedge]

F2000 worth or should i use different thing?

[hexed steppe]

f2000 supposed to be great damage now. whats 3rd attribute rolled too?

[neon sedge]

Dmg taarget cover

[hexed steppe]

nice, yeah thats solid

you might pick either or tho since its a shared ammo pool, but with gunner it may not be an issue

[shy willow]

Id pick a shotgun as a backup tbh and for stacks

[crisp cypress]

Intimidate or Obliterate for Sokolov chest to go with 4p HF, Memento and Oro smg?

[rich lotus]

obliterate and vigilance sokoloff 🙂

[crisp cypress]

does taking damage on shield disables vigilance?

[shy willow]

No

Neither does taking damage to bonus armour

[neon sedge]

Few stacks cause the armor

[rich lotus]

vigilance not for everyone, i like high risk high reward for HF

[wise swallow]

i like intim more on hf with the new changes.

[crisp cypress]

mmm if im gonna take a vigilance backpack, what brand?

[wise swallow]

2 soko

or 1 soko 1 groupo

its effectively the same thing

[crisp cypress]

still survivable for heroic freeroam and mission than going with memento?

[wise swallow]

are you only running the signle blue from momento?

read that wrong

[shy willow]

If you're gonna use intim then bloodsucker might be an option worth looking into

[wise swallow]

depends on the amount of blues. 2 blue is more then enough

as long as you can kill shit quickly the AOK kinda sustains itself

[sudden fog]

Is momento ok on hunters fury or should I get grupo

[wise swallow]

i like momento over he

I havent tried blood sucker tho

[shy willow]

Memento is excellent for solo

[rich cosmos]

Mento and hunters fury is like bread and butter

[crisp cypress]

so better to use intimidate on chest than obliterate to go with memento?

[wise swallow]

Its really a person to person thing. If you can reliably keep bonus armour intim is stronger. if your struggling to keep bonus all the time just stick to oblit.

[crisp cypress]

oof tough choice my playstyle is all over the place sometimes xd

guessing intimidate better for missions and obliterate for open world

[wise swallow]

what did i say in there that got deleted?

[crisp cypress]

😮

xd

[wise swallow]

well ill just fuck myself ig

i can say fuck myself but i cant type what i typed before

the wonders of auto mod

[tawdry flare]

You took the wrong aggro

[wise swallow]

i dont wanna test the auto mod but i believe it was something about me being stupid

im stupid and W key at things so momento is easiest for me

if your smart/slower oblit might be better

[hazy steeple]

I can tell you if you'd like, we see the auto-mod logs.

no control over them but

[wise swallow]

what was it

[hazy steeple]

think of synonyms for cranium death.

[wise swallow]

yea thats what i thought

[hazy steeple]

There are some fairly vague terms in the auto-mod it must be said.
Although it is nice to have the bulk of the time.

[wise swallow]

ill just use low IQ instead ig

[sudden fog]

Dunno what guns to use on hunters fury build

[hazy steeple]

gold (high-end) SMG if you're going for a crit build, shotguns are better if you want a headhunter+headshot damage (hsd) setup.

the most important thing is to stay within the buff range as you are fighting.

[sudden fog]

I’m using the grudge but hitting like 300k crits

And then it ramps up when I kill 1 near another with buff

[hazy steeple]

I mean, Grudge isn't an awful idea.
don't forget to throw on a good DPS talent for your chest, that'll help a lot. Most use Obliterate.

[sudden fog]

I have intimidate

[hazy steeple]

It's not a terrible idea, but you already heal on kill anyway so excess armour seems excessive.
My personaly setup for it is ceska chest w/obliterate, memento bp, and the rest being HF pieces.

Since shields tiers are altered by armour and skill tiers, Memento gives me all I need, the rest are all red.
although you can swap out 1 to blue if you really really want.

[sudden fog]

Yeah that’s what I’m running just without obliterate on chest might get another chest and see how it goes

Need to get ouro aswell and see how that performs

[hazy steeple]

Ouro is ridiculously strong, but I still like my mp5 because it's just a comfy gun.

[sudden fog]

Is safety distance an mp5

[hazy steeple]

Technically it's an mpx, but all it does is increase the range, not that useful for HF since you need to be inside of 15m to proc it.

[sudden fog]

Ah I don’t have an mp5

[hazy steeple]

You don't need one, most SMG's work fine.

mp5/mpx/banshee/mp7/even stuff like the aug and tommy gun are alright with this update.

[sudden fog]

I got an mp5 but it has sadist

[hazy steeple]

Whatever SMG you pick, just make sure it has dtooc (damage to target out of cover) as the 3rd attribute, the Talent matters less specifically but I like Strained/Fast Hands.

[tawdry flare]

Get a. Banshee if not using Oreo imo

[sudden fog]

just realised i didnt have the 15 perc damage from sig weapon

[shy willow]

Can spec buffs vary by load out pls🙏

[sudden fog]

hunters fury better 2nd time in countdown

[true thunder]

What would we say the current “best” red build would be?

Same goes for a skill build

[wise swallow]

striker

[true thunder]

Got a picture?

Just want to compare what I have to what you do so I can see where I am lackin

[tulip charm]

Pinned comment -> Build sheet

[drifting panther]

I know but ngns disclaimer how build videos should actually be feels refreshing

Like most videos are trying to gain that watch time with irrelevant stuff and stretch it over 10 minutes or something

[bright hedge]

LMG + Negotiators Dilemma;

which woukd be better, all other things
being equal:

Negotiators Backpack (increases shared damage), 3 other ND, Contractor’s gloves, and ??? Chest (probably Obliterate, dunno what brands I have in inventory)

vs

Ninja back, 3 Negotiators 2x Legmo?

[shy willow]

Don't use ninja

[hazy steeple]

Oh sure, it's nice to see one that's shortened down a little.

[shy willow]

First option much better

[hazy steeple]

I'm looking for a new build for general PvE stuff (not raids/incursions/Countdown), anyone have a Skill/red dps combo they want to share?

Preferably using one of the newer Exotics and/or newer gear.

[rich cosmos]

That reminds me is it possible to even make a damage build involving btsu gloves?

[shy willow]

I'm sure somebody has messed with the stinger somewhere

[rich cosmos]

But is it worth?

[shy willow]

God knows

[tulip charm]

Yeah or you can try using mechanical animals

[rich cosmos]

Doesn’t stinger just apply bleed? No extra damage

[shy willow]

Main damage from the stinger comes from the charges not the bleed

[rich cosmos]

Oh okie

[little pewter]

Stinger and cluster mines. Can spam them. Run it with rigger for the instant refresh

[drifting panther]

And no amount of frontal lobe hearings with shit information and builds

[supple island]

Best in slot high-end LMGs? (DPS)

[shy willow]

RPK/l86

Or sleipnir if you like

[supple island]

@shy willow thanks

[rich cosmos]

Is all red heartbreaker worth using?

[shy willow]

I have an all red heartbreaker but it's just not near as good as strikers

And because you have to drop stacks to get more bonus armour it's kind of null

[round zinc]

stop me if you’ve heard this before:
capacitor yellow striker

[shy willow]

I've been hearing more about that lately what's all the fuss

[round zinc]

capacitor is kinda nuts now with dta instead of dth on the 2nd attribute and you can roll ooc on 3rd

good mod,mag’s bit small but nothing too shabby

and you gain 7.5% more damage for every yellow core you have

[rich cosmos]

What would you recommend?

I would use strikers with memento but I rarely play stuff without at least one other person in my lobby

[onyx sage]

i mean you can do that, unless you want something else

[slate nest]

i have one
but i'm outside right now
oh wait
nvm
i dont have 😭
sorry
but i'm using this build right now
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IzC0CZQZlNIBlI5TUvQLmATgtWeY6aJmwkYMcpNxyGUArHlXnbaQwGwGsIft6TFgSICBGQePgZwXHgHZY5WAA5cORDjA5+mKQYxdJ0pCYNIgA
optimized for elmo

[rich cosmos]

Think I’ll try red heart breakers

If only the devs didn’t nerf heartbreaker

Sadge

[shy willow]

Honestly just put blues on your regular striker or use memento

[tawdry flare]

Use preservation with gunner + 1 new brand set + preservation

[hazy steeple]

Sorry I'm kinda confused, is that a skill/red dps combo setup?

[slate nest]

no,that only red dps
i've misread your message

[digital tusk]

Is Reformation good for a healer build? I'm not really sure what else to slap onto my gun

[slate nest]

@hazy steeple

[hazy steeple]

I could see the link, cheers.

Don't actually need a red DPS setup, still have my old FMJ from yonks back and that works a treat. Plus most red dps setups that aren't gearset specific are kinda simple anyway. Just point and click adventure your way through.

[shy willow]

Use lefty and scorpio

[digital tusk]

Two shotguns?

[fallen comet]

replace lefty with stage left rifle, so they dont share ammo

[digital tusk]

Alright

Will after the maintenance

Cuz uh

[rich lotus]

Its what I do but my healer build can easily restock ammo so I don't mind

[fallen comet]

you dont use lefty to shoot in this build anyways

[rich lotus]

Yep

Scorpio all the way

[fallen comet]

shooting goes to scorpio, for the 7th shot damage bonus

[digital tusk]

Was gonna say, lefty is an odd choice

[rich lotus]

Its just there for talent

[digital tusk]

Aaaand servers are dead now

[fallen comet]

buuut if you still dont want to run 2 shotties, stage left is the next perfect item

[digital tusk]

Yeah, I really don't want to run out of ammo

[rich lotus]

What build are you using

[digital tusk]

I'm almost halfway to 1k so

Give me a sec

[rich lotus]

Snatched 1 support build a while back and haven't changed ever since lol

Perfect heals and damage boost

[fallen comet]

gotta be FI im guessing

[digital tusk]

FI, BTSU gloves and alph bag with opportunistic

All rolled with skill haste and skill healing

[rich lotus]

pretty much the same but I slap on the setup for the funs

[digital tusk]

With almost perfect skill healing mods

Currently running technician with it

[rich lotus]

Dude I'm like 90% done with all of my skills but I only have like very few that are maxed out

[digital tusk]

Rip

[rich lotus]

It's so handy having that one tbh

I haven't even needed to make a tank yet

[digital tusk]

Ok, I'm a little confused. Why stage left? What's so good about perfect sledge?

[fallen comet]

lots of damage for everyone

[pearl atlas]

more damage is more damage less enemy movement leads to more damage

and since its on a shotgun (lefty not stage left) it benefits from opportunistic

[digital tusk]

Ah.

[pearl atlas]

or in other words number go up good

[vital tide]

hey all any good "bard" builds basically like sitting back and supporting the team by giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. (ill settle for just buffing teammates)

[shy willow]

you can proc sledge and oppo

[weary pier]

btsu overcharge with booster hive and riot foam

[vital tide]

CC and helping teammates ... you talkin durty LOL armor sets?

[weary pier]

????

[vital tide]

good armor sets for a support build?

[rich lotus]

Regulus build to pve pls

[acoustic coral]

What? Oh you're looking for one? Check the build sheets in the pinned message in here, there's a very good guide for regulus

[weary pier]

the only gearset i know thats good for support is Futire initiative, you heal teamates and they get weapon damage

[rich lotus]

Th

[shy willow]

You can mess around with OD too

[acoustic coral]

There's a dedicated regulus guide in the build overview and then iirc the "Sniper builds" mentions regulus aswell

[sullen sun]

A little blurry but thoughts on this?

[hexed steppe]

Chain killer, vigilance bag or memento, hunter fury 4pc

[turbid fiber]

Hi can i get a recommendation for a support/healer build?

I have tried combining the Hive exotic gloves with healer Hive and mender seeker/repair drone and with the 4 piece rigger set

[weary pier]

future initiative set, striker medic

[turbid fiber]

Striker drone and medic Hive?

Sry im new to builds

[weary pier]

Striker gearset

[fallen comet]

4 piece Future initiative, BTSU datagloves exotic, either the set up backpack or an alps summit bag with sill haste, repair skill and safeguard
for weapons go with scorpio and stage left

survivalist specializaion

[hexed steppe]

Future initiative, btsu gloves, setup bag w/perfect oppotunistic.
Scorpio, left/stage left secondary.
Heal hive, heal chem.

If you do heroic control points you can get a setup bag blueprint

[turbid fiber]

Is the bag blueprint rare tho?

Im not very good at the game

[hexed steppe]

Future is a top healing build but also buffs* your team 25% total weapon damage/total skill damage

It's a hard to farm bag, but with the blueprint you can craft it to get the desired rolls.

You want everything skill repair, secondary rolls/mods skill haste

If you check the pinned spreadsheet in this channel there is a normal fi (future initiative) build for reference

[limpid pelican]

anyone know meta heal build for pvp? wasnt able to snag a screenshot of the last 1 i saw. did see they were using sawyers

[rich lotus]

Is there a dps build like strikers that incorporates more survivability? I've been finding myself struggling to not run out of medikits or straight up just dying a lot recently and want to try stop this from happening

[acoustic coral]

There's a version that runs memento, and then you could have 2-3 blue cores. But the best defense is a good offense

[urban latch]

Heartbreakers

[urban latch]

It's a difficult build to put together that isn't very strong 🤷‍♂️

[rich lotus]

I've just been so reliant on the Revive Hive recently and I'm hating it

[rich lotus]

Oh? I've heard a few people talking about this set so I'm guessing it's pretty good

[limpid pelican]

are you playing in a group or solo?

[rich lotus]

I play solo pretty much all the time, aside from countdown of course

[limpid pelican]

hunters fury is really good for solo play

you can get away with doing a bit less damage due to group scaling not coming into play

[rich lotus]

I just want to be able to kill things fast and not go down or die seemly every engagement

[limpid pelican]

whats your shd level

[rich lotus]

42 at the moment

[limpid pelican]

i personally find that "survivability" builds, specifically when really low watch level,do more harm than good, due to that fact that you have to compensate so much in crit hit chance

[covert meadow]

What build would make good with this ouro smg?

[limpid pelican]

hunters fury is a really good option, but to be honest with you if you want to get to the point

make a determined headhunter build and get on with it

[covert meadow]

For pve content heroic level

[rich lotus]

Determined headhunter?

[limpid pelican]

4 piece hotshot, all headshot damage. backpack and chest piece not included

chainkiller chest piece, and an airaldi backpack with vigilance

[acoustic coral]

Considering you're only SHD 42, I mean, you've barely played the game. Get a build together - a proper one, correct striker's pieces, and don't be annoyed you go down. It's part of learning. I'm about 800 SHD and still run the hive, just for backup.
Learn spawns, learn how to play your build, how to play against different enemies.

[limpid pelican]

any sniper with damage to target out of cover and determined

yeah striker is going to be your countdown build farmer

so definitely get that first so you don't have to worry about getting kicked out

but if you want to farm xp, dont waste your time on survivability builds

a good offense is your best defense

[covert meadow]

Hunters fury with memento on heroic = killed overwhelmingly fast

[acoustic coral]

Even for solo. We've all been there, low SHD level, but there's nothing wrong with running the reviver hive. I don't think I'll ever not run it on my striker's - I don't use skills outside the shield anyways.
You need experience more than anything
Striker's is fun, Heartbreaker can be pretty good aswell, some form of Hunter's Fury is also fun and I love a Determined Headhunter build aswell

[limpid pelican]

completely agree. it's really a matter of what your goals are, and if time is of the essence

[acoustic coral]

Look through the build sheet, pick a DPS build to go for and get comfortable with it, farm it. Start on Hard and move your way up

[covert meadow]

Tbh and I have tryed it, with max chc @60 and 150chd with ouro, once your over ran, it's nothing can be done

[limpid pelican]

a few of my friends got into the game recently. helped them all farm striker builds. they all got ouroborus by level 20-30 and are currently farming open world with determined headhunter lol

think that was 3-4 days ago? one of them is like 400 or so already

[acoustic coral]

And you don't need an ouro, it's just nice to have.

[rich lotus]

My goal is mostly just to get a general pve build together so I can farm SHD levels and other gear so I can do things like put together a build for DZ since that seems really fun and something I want to get into eventually

[limpid pelican]

yeah. get a determined headhunter build going or you'll be taking cover popping medkits with striker for the next month trying to hit 1k

[acoustic coral]

No. No he's not. He can play striker's at 200 SHD level without popping medkits all the time - but it's a part of the game.
People should stop fostering this mantra that you can't play the game till 1000 SHD

[limpid pelican]

ive farmed 1k watch like 3x?

use striker and you're wasting your time

[covert meadow]

That's all ppl say now on YouTube and twitch, most streamers

[limpid pelican]

but if you want to goof off and not take time into account hey by all means

[limpid pelican]

he said he wants to get into the dz lol

[covert meadow]

And have also said playing on any other level is not worth your time because the drops differential

[limpid pelican]

i guess they'll be pvping by june or july

[covert meadow]

Most recommend heroic level

But if you don't have the shd +expertise playing that high it will be ggs

[limpid pelican]

you can realistically farm heroic or legendary summit by level 3 shd

[covert meadow]

I'd like to see that

[limpid pelican]

lol okay one second

im not trying to get off topic man. i'm simply on the side of if you want to cut to the chase there is a way

theres no right or wrong way to go about it, as i said it's just a matter of how much time you want to spend

[covert meadow]

One tapping is the move period right now, I'm just saying that's not what most youtubers and twitchers are recommending

And ppl are viewing that content the most

But don't understand you can't role that kind of power over night

They don't see the edits of being killed 😔

[limpid pelican]

https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/eximplary/video/185450153

[covert meadow]

Thx dozin

[limpid pelican]

level 13 getting a bighorn

[covert meadow]

Yeah, that was dope, but most won't survive stepping through level 1 lol

[acoustic coral]

For general gameplay - PvE - 1000 SHD is not a necessity to play the game
I keep repeating this point, as it is a heavy time investment to get there - and you can have a shit ton of fun beforehand. I mainly play solo. I've been running Heroic since 50 SHD or less, I completed DUA legendary solo at around 500 SHD.

Fostering the mantra that the game doesn't matter till 1000 SHD is negative, makes new players think it is a waste of time even trying.
You want to play on hard? Go ahead. Challenging? Go ahead. 5 directives? Sure. 0 directives? Sure.

@rich lotus You're not in a hurry. Slow down, relax. Survivability comes more from knowledge than actual gear - when it comes to solo play. You end up sacrificing a lot of DPS to be tanky - in which case the enemies get more time to kill you.
Look at the build sheet, read about the different builds and pick one. Striker's is the most common one, as it comes alive rather quickly. I myself started with Hunter's Fury+Memento+Scorpio before moving to a Determind Headhunter build - only after that I put together a proper striker build

[limpid pelican]

not trying to get brownie points man. it's just i was told early on "oh dontworry about your shd level it will come over time" it's like yeah if i want to farm pve

go into the dz, you're running into 25 expertise people that will sit and laugh at you attempting to kill them

get shd 1k in a week, and start from there

otherwise see you in 6 months

[sullen sun]

Anyone got a good pasty build?

[limpid pelican]

even better yet, you probably need 3k+ so your wony runs arent a waste of your time lmfao

thats if you want to get into pvp

[acoustic coral]

Division 2 is a marathon, not a sprint.
He's level 42 - he should be enjoying the game, not worrying about maybe having to do a wony run some time in the future at 3k+ SHD.
Or investing all his time into burning out from rushing to 1000 SHD.
PvP is a mess in this game, it's horribly unbalanced - and if you want to get into that, be prepared. It's gonna be very rough at low SHD levels.
But the game is 80% PvE, and the idea you need 1000+ SHD to enjoy PvE is false.

[limpid pelican]

the marathon has been going on for 5 years lol

[rich lotus]

As long as I can continue melting things with the St Elmo and not feeling like I suck at the game from dying all the time that's all I really want

[knotty iron]

would a ridgeway's pride and Eclipse Protocol work as a bleed spread and armor repair?

[acoustic coral]

Yeah and? New people are still arriving. Starting the marathon.

[limpid pelican]

maybe if they didn't mention the dz we'd be okay here, so maybe that's where the problem is

[acoustic coral]

Could post pics of your build + stats here then we can come up with recommendations.
Don't be afraid to play on challenging till you understand the ins and outs of the build.

[limpid pelican]

if thats the case, you DEFINITELY need the ouroborus if you want even the slightest of chances

[acoustic coral]

You were telling him he needs to farm SHD before he mentioned DZ. That's why I'm still presenting my point.
I don't touch pvp with a ten foot pole, and if you want to enjoy it - yeah you're in for a grind.

[limpid pelican]

exactly and thats the unfortunate case

pvp is such a long shot early on, it's like good luck

[haughty wraith]

Regarding the striker build, can i use my weapon of my choice or , does it need to be St elmo? I am trying to min/max better for incursion

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, fuck that, slow down and enjoy PvE

[knotty iron]

you can use anything honestly, I am using F2000

it would be nice to have eagle tbh

[limpid pelican]

i completely agree. i was only going off of the point of "okay so ummm.. pvp in mind at level 42"

time to turn into a human script

[rich lotus]

Is DZ really that full of players? The one time I tried it I didn't encounter anyone but that was probably since it was before I even bought WONY, I just found the mode to be pretty fun and interesting 😅

[limpid pelican]

genuinely, it's not that deep man. go in there and have a good time if you like

[knotty iron]

i just encountered 4 players two of them kept going rougue and killing my noob ass lol

[hazy steeple]

#td2-pvp-discussions is a good place to ask opinions about it, they added the channel after all.

[knotty iron]

but id still go in cause why not do what you want, its how you learn

[limpid pelican]

level 30 and level 40 dzs are 2 totally different beasts

[rich lotus]

Thought as much

That's why it's my pretty long long term goal

[acoustic coral]

It's more, the players that are there has build + SHD + expertise upgrades that you don't have, which is a big edge in PvP - not in PvE.
If you want direct advice on what to upgrade on your current build, post it here. 1x overview picture of equipped gear, 1x stat picture

[limpid pelican]

yeah unfortunately that's the case

i'd definitely take cmdrudolph or i's advice on builds

[rich lotus]

This is what I have atm, been trying to get some good striker pieces before trying to farm the chest or mask

[limpid pelican]

okay so step 1, get in countdown farm a ceska vyroba chest piece

need obliterate on it with double crit

step 2, look out for a grupo holster gloves or kneepads

you need a striker chest piece variant

that way you can get into paradise lost if you'd like and farm the ouroborus

[rich lotus]

CHC and CHD? And it doesn't matter if it's good roles on the stat's just that they are the proper stat's in the first place right?

[limpid pelican]

yep 50% crit hit chance as a general rule of thumb

anything else into chd

[weary pier]

loving this weird tech tank build

[haughty wraith]

is the striker chest piece a must for the build?

[limpid pelican]

for incursions yes

[knotty iron]

thoughts on what to improve on?

[acoustic coral]

You're missing about 70% CHD (not considering the 20% from SHD) via gear pieces.
Ceska chest with obliterate.
Grupo mask.
Correct rolls > perfect rolls.
Elmo's will do you more than fine for striker's, ouro can be a long term goal.
You only need striker chest in incursion/raid (if you can keep up the stacks)

[limpid pelican]

2 striker variants are ideal. one with obliterate, one with strikers chest piece

[weary pier]

ceska obi for chc and stack obi faster

[rich lotus]

So just want CHC and CHD on every gear piece?

[knotty iron]

so replace my chest for ceska chest?

[north berry]

Hello all, I am relatively new to The Division 2, I have completed the warlock of New York campaign and now looking to get into build craft. What is best solo/group DPS build in Division 2?

[weary pier]

yes

[knotty iron]

okay ill do that rn

its hard to get my CHC and CHD up tbh

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, that's your goal. Aim for about 50% CHC (40% is okay with bad rolls) then the rest into CHD.
Ceska chest with obliterate (here the talent is more important than correct rolls) and Grupo mask. Remember to get gear mods in all pieces
Longer term goal can be a coyote mask. Build alternatives include the striker chest (only if you can keep 150 stacks or above) and memento (solo, I prefer it on legendary)

[weary pier]

yea cuz strikers doesnt give any chc or chd bonus, you will need to max chc and chd on your watch and optimise ur gear aswell. getting st elmo exotic is also good because it give 20% chd and chc

[limpid pelican]

i've yet to decide whether its more ideal to max out chc then chd on watch, or chc then weapon damage

[hazy steeple]

Someone help out Kai, they're feeling left out.

[urban latch]

Your goal is basically always 60% crit chance. The 50% comes from assuming me d coyotes buff, but if your not running coyotes you want to get all the way up to 60%

[haughty wraith]

For incursion, is it better to use a different backpack then memento? it is not like I could run around can pick up the stack

[urban latch]

Yes, you dont want memento in the incursion. If your running strikers you want the strikers bp

[knotty iron]

i just got back to the game but i have been running a striket build, there are a few builds on youtube for it, but it really depends on your playstyle, I went with striker cause it used to be my go to in the 1st game

[sullen sun]

Decent?

[weary pier]

pinned comment > spreadsheet > builds hub

[limpid pelican]

my man is trolling

[sullen sun]

YouTube build lol

[acoustic coral]

Yesnt. Don't get me wrong, in the longer run, you want 60% - or 50% with coyotes. But I'm advising someone at SHD 42. Set attainable goals and multiply CHC with CHD to get the proper damage increase - you know all this, but I was trying to not overwhelm the lad

[urban latch]

60 is attainable

[limpid pelican]

had me in the first half til i i saw the expertise on the pestilence

[sullen sun]

Is that bad?

[limpid pelican]

solidified the irony

[sullen sun]

I’m lost

[urban latch]

It's a build built around a very weak exotic

[sullen sun]

True but LMG’s got a buff

[vestal ibex]

It's also rainbow. It's like the laziest yt build ever lol.

[urban latch]

Everything except specifically that one lol

[tulip charm]

xd

[sullen sun]

Figures

[vestal ibex]

Even if pest did get a buff it wouldn't help it enough.

[sullen sun]

Blue screen feels good

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, but for him to properly get comfortable and advance to heroic (which he was struggling with) - he doesn't need 60% CHC. He needs the proper rolls on gear, which we were advising him

[sullen sun]

This look half decent?

[weary pier]

change the bulwark for an offensive skill

[vestal ibex]

Okay I gotta know cause you link up tons of builds asking if they are decent. These all just youtube builds and you are trying to see if it's wasted time building or what?

[tawdry flare]

The shield is a bit wrong imo use a jammer instead

Useful in legendary a bit with randoms and it has one role

[limpid pelican]

im telling you i can have a friend in the incursion with an ouroborus in a night by level 20, and on their way farming shd with a det hh build. it's not rocket science

dont waste time with striker in open world

especially at low shd...

please

[tawdry flare]

It's now wasted time

[knotty iron]

too late i already am cause no one wants to do incurision when i matchmake lol

[acoustic coral]

What the fluff are you arguing with me now?
Striker's can work more than fine at that SHD level, stop spewing nonsense.
Go carry him on PS to an ouroborus then.

[tawdry flare]

Especially now since anything above >2000 shd is just mats

[limpid pelican]

if you want to farm open world why are you using a striker build

[knotty iron]

been using striker and plan to use it in pvp

[limpid pelican]

your goal is to get him to be able to do heroic

[sullen sun]

Yes

[limpid pelican]

you can literally run around with yellows and 0 gear mods

[knotty iron]

its my only build and i play solo

[limpid pelican]

with a hotshot build

[rich lotus]

Ah alright I'll keep this all in mind as I farm everything up, thank you for all the help

[limpid pelican]

"i want him to get the perfect striker build so he can farm heroic starting at hard difficulty and working his way up!" no mf you get a striker build so you dont get kicked from countdown and can farm an ouroborus

then you farm a hotshot build

[onyx sage]

shield is perfectly fine, it's a skill you can use on demand to proc hw

[acoustic coral]

Yeah and I'm giving him advice on how to improve his striker's build, learn the game and get the confidence to do higher content.
Striker's is gonna do him well in open world.
So is hotshot.
Determined HH
Heartbreaker

[left venture]

Anyone know what was fixed with the maintenance?

[acoustic coral]

Never mentioned perfect. I mentioned something that works and will allow him to progress to heroic.
You don't only run striker's in countdown/incursion, wtf? You specifically might, but it works more than fine for more or less any content out there.

[acoustic coral]

Server stability.

[knotty iron]

okay so i a striker build and i have been playing solo just making it better so what do you recommened?

this is my build atm

[acoustic coral]

Striker's is the bread and butter go to build for anything.
I love determined HH, but that is a whole nother ballpark in some missions/against some enemies.

[acoustic coral]

What's the stats page like?

[knotty iron]

dog

trying to get my CHC and CHD up

i just replaced my chestplate

with ceska

[urban latch]

This basic setup can do alright solo. I'd recommend getting another loadout with the strikers backpack and 1p ceska (and/or coyotes) and another loadout with both the strikers chest and backpack with 1p ceska and coyotes

And really try to focus on getting crit up. Ideally you'd swap the fenris chest with a ceska chest

[knotty iron]

i just did

[tawdry flare]

Yeah I get that but is it any use you can't tank on higher difficulty something like jammer or even a scanner would be more helpful imo

[onyx sage]

it's not for tanking, it's to proc hw when you want to

when you mistap jammer, good luck proccing hw

[tawdry flare]

Ik

[limpid pelican]

why are we open world farming with striker at low shd? who is teaching this?

[tawdry flare]

Skill issue tbh cause relying entirely on a seeker is pretty meh on challenging and above

[acoustic coral]

My striker's build for most content is:
Coyote mask (can be replaced by a grupo mask)
Ceska chest with obliterate
4 pc Striker (BP, gloves, holster, kneepads)
And then I run an elmo's, but the famas is also pretty nifty

You focus on getting CHC and CHD on your pieces aswell as gear mods.
Whether you run full red cores is up to you, can run 1-2 blue cores

[knotty iron]

youtube lol

[onyx sage]

well, you are talking to a new player trying that build on

and it's perfectly fine to use a shield because jammer in legendary just sucks

[knotty iron]

what about banshee pulse?

[tawdry flare]

Wu t about a scanner

[knotty iron]

not on legendary but overall

[onyx sage]

does it refresh faster than 10s

[tawdry flare]

I mean they are asking is it any good yeah

[knotty iron]

i like to use it with a shotgun to get the striker stacks up

[tawdry flare]

Same thing with shield

[onyx sage]

shield you can pop anytime?

[limpid pelican]

striker is by far the best dps in the entire game, but early on it should only be used as your countdown build farmer or group play

[onyx sage]

scanner has cooldown

[knotty iron]

should i put armor as a main attribute or weapon damage?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

That's the only benefit

[onyx sage]

so it's not the same thing with shield

[limpid pelican]

in order to get any bit of survivability with striker as a low level, you sacrifice so much damage that the build is almost entirely useless

[onyx sage]

because if you can't pop every 10s it's worthless

[limpid pelican]

survivability and low level striker just aren't a thing

[tawdry flare]

What is scanner cooldown with bunch of skill haste and hw ?

[haughty wraith]

I am looking up Ceska chest and obliterate, they seems not to have a name chest version neither prefect obliterate. I guess I just need to farm it in countdown.

[limpid pelican]

whats your shd

and what are you trying to use it for

[knotty iron]

im using memento to help with survivability tbh and it works well as long as i am collecting those stacks and using the gunner specialization as well. My SHD is 88

its my only build really i just got back on this game 2-3 days ago

[limpid pelican]

use hunters fury instead if you want survivability as a low level

the default smg crit chance attribute will help a ton as well

allowing you to get much more chd

[onyx sage]

20s base, 10% sh from watch, 15% from 2p hw, 24% from 2 attributes (rest skill damage) gives 13.4s cd

wait, 3 more 12% from mods

[knotty iron]

okay ill look into it!

[limpid pelican]

it's generally the same concept as striker, however you dont want to use the hunters fury chest or backpack

[onyx sage]

it goes down to 9.04s

[tawdry flare]

Soo <10s

[onyx sage]

then it's good, but like

solo?

[vestal ibex]

idk that sounds too low tho...

[onyx sage]

i messed up yeah

[knotty iron]

what about Ridgeway's pride + Eclipse Protocol as a bleed spread with armor repair, would that work?

[acoustic coral]

You want to use the striker's BP, it's a 35% difference in damage at full stacks??

[tawdry flare]

It's 85% skill haste total

[onyx sage]

10.81s

[tawdry flare]

At 100% it is halfed

[limpid pelican]

i was referring to hunters fury

[urban latch]

You can also run the nightwatcher for 100% cooldown

[tawdry flare]

One pcs to rule them all

[urban latch]

You can get the pulse cooldown lower than the duration

[acoustic coral]

Anyways, I'm tired of discussing whether or not striker's can be used at low SHD.
Our opinions differ. I think it can work more than fine (because I've used it). You don't.

If you guys want advice on how to improve striker, I can give that.
If you want Dozin to tell you to use other builds, he's your guy

[onyx sage]

hmm, idk if i wanna recommend pulse to them either tbh

[acoustic coral]

The way it was worded pre edit made it sound like you didn't want to use bp in either set ^^

[onyx sage]

but scanner is great

[tawdry flare]

You recommended shield

[onyx sage]

because shield works just fine

[limpid pelican]

yeah go get survivability out of your level 42 shd striker build with a memento

[tawdry flare]

Scanner too but is more useful for the team

[gentle lichen]

Have someone in team with datagloves boom 15% amp

[magic pilot]

Striker works fine at low shd level

Hunters fury will have more survivability

[tawdry flare]

They changed btsu?

[onyx sage]

idk... without oc i don't have any trouble seeing where enemies are

[gentle lichen]

Nah it's when you destroy hive then overcharge team

[magic pilot]

Overcharge scanner

[onyx sage]

but the rest of the utility skills are above 10s

[gentle lichen]

Fog of war affects that

[acoustic coral]

Not what I said.
I gave recommendations to pure striker upgrades and gave variations that can work with memento for some survivability (because I've used it).
It's advice, not word of law

[onyx sage]

full captions:

[tawdry flare]

Okk didn't know talking about oc scanner

[gentle lichen]

But having enemy subtitles that show you the direction of where enemies are talking helps

[hexed steppe]

pulse seems like a waste outside of the dz

[gentle lichen]

Yeah that

[limpid pelican]

you want to play sometime? id love to see the brain behind the yapping

@acoustic coral

[knotty iron]

all im saying is striker with memento hasn't been an issue for me, quick kills = more memento stacks = more survivability

[tawdry flare]

NOT A SINGLE CAPTION SIR

[knotty iron]

but im just on challenging

[onyx sage]

ikr, besides speedrunning (which isn't where you'd bring hw in the first place) there's no place for pulse

[gentle lichen]

Striker scales well with heroic because more HP = more stacks

[onyx sage]

well use full captions lol

[knotty iron]

so up the game to heroic?

[magic pilot]

I have captions and in game dialog turned off

[gentle lichen]

When you feel like you are ready

[tawdry flare]

i did

[hexed steppe]

yeah, no pulse needed when you know the spawns 💯

[gentle lichen]

Begin with no directives and test the waters

[onyx sage]

captions and enemy voice lines save my runs all the time

[gentle lichen]

Or HF mark on enemies

[tawdry flare]

I usually turn off the sound to make it challenging just listening to music

[gentle lichen]

Can locate enemies pretty well

[onyx sage]

but yeah we were just discussing secondary skill for hw seeker and i just can't recommend anything besides shield to a newcomer

[haughty wraith]

Regarding the weapon roll, like the gun below, should i roll dmg to armor to " dmg target out of cover " and optimize the weapon dmg? or is it good to just recalibrate smg dmg to max?

[onyx sage]

when they're ready they can move up to stinger hive

[acoustic coral]

lmao, calling me out for what? Because you dislike the striker's playstyle in open world or what?
If I played with you it wouldn't be solo gameplay - what they seek advice on

[shy willow]

Shi you might need a new gun