td2-build-advice

[gentle lichen]

The spreadsheet in the pinned messages should lead you in the right direction

[severe bane]

Ty I'm just checking out some videos from the spreadsheet perhaps i'll understand it a bit more

[hushed gorge]

Finally got the Ravenous 🗿

Any Nice PvE and Countdown build advice?

[fallen comet]

Dude mark your toys as favorite

[hushed gorge]

Why?😅

I deconstruct Very carefully

[fallen comet]

So you don't accidentally deconstruct anything, like that guy on reddit who deconstructed his oreo a minute after getting it

[hushed gorge]

🗿☠️☠️

Got Ouroboros with all nice rolls

[fallen comet]

Also its much easier to "mark all as junk" and deconstruct whatever you dont need

[hushed gorge]

Thnx.
You got any suggestion?

PvE and Countdown build with The Ravenous

[fallen comet]

Its a pretty weak rifle imo, but it has some niche uses like staggering morozova in iron horse, and something to do with razerback in dh i think

Nothing good on open world and CD

[hushed gorge]

Bruh😑

[vestal ibex]

Yeah rav is niche in it's uses. Uhhh use it to kill robotics as the explosions bypass their armor? idk it's honestly pretty useless outside of one shotting grey or razorbacks weak points and staggering morazova.

[covert hatch]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit#gid=1574559653

[tall axle]

hey guys, anyone know a good ravenous build? i aint gotten it to work that well in grp or solo

[vestal ibex]

Just slap the Rav on a HE AR build and that'll be as good as it gets.

[tall axle]

ah so fairly medicore gun then?

[vestal ibex]

Yeah read up like 4 messages when it was mentioned.

[tall axle]

ah yea just saw sorry D:

[vestal ibex]

All good. Sad but most exotics are in the same boat.

[tall axle]

yea my 3 exotics i use is, ouro, st elmo, scorpio

[vestal ibex]

Same lol

[onyx sage]

scorpio and regulus 99% of the time for me

[vestal ibex]

I use Elmo for turrets in pub incursion runs and that's it. Otherwise all scorp and reg.

Oh and I do entertain Oreo for legendary stuff along side the famas but I find myself using the famas more just because of the bloom.

[onyx sage]

famas4lyfe

[vestal ibex]

My baby.

[tawdry flare]

Long Lost Baby in Coney Island

[sullen sun]

Excuse me, what https://youtube.com/shorts/AAct-s9OCqo?si=pVP4wr_uSwz7pGGo

[hexed steppe]

There was a btsu overcharge in the beginning, I'm guessing that helped a lot

[sullen sun]

I see

[tame crane]

what is the next build I should go for? pretty satisfied with my DPS build and wanna make more builds now, was thinking to either go for a Healer build or the sniper build that is really good for farming freeroam?

[vestal ibex]

Sniper build is super easy to make it's just chainkiller and MMR damage and HSD brand/gearsets. WD/mantis/nemesis are good picks for snipers. The sniper build has a very low entry point especially for solo heroic so build it and figure out how HH works. I'd suggest making the healer and EP builds both fire and CC, all in the spreadsheets build hub.

[tulip charm]

Pinned comments -> Build spreadsheet and pick whatever you find interesting.

[sharp ice]

Anyone got a simple fresh to 40 build or advice on what to do/ Ive set global to challenging and have gotten

some drops

[hexed steppe]

as a fresh 40, yeah definitely try and roll in challenging .
check out the pinned 📌 spreadsheet in this channel for a variety of builds.
notable are:
striker
eclipse fire, and possibly crowd control (CC)
basic turret drone build.

these 3 will cover a lot of what youll be up against as you level shd. all are also very easy to make.
i would suggest farming gear in countdown since you can select the target loot you want as well as buy exotic caches with the completion credits.

as you get a good feel to the game mechanics, i would then farm for the harder to farm builds like healer, mortar, headhunter

feel free to snipping tool and paste builds to this channel for advice.. expect some criticism, but also some solid advice

[tame crane]

You mind explaining those shortened words? 😄 as in HH, EP (and what "healer and EP, both fire) and CC) I assume HSD stands for Headshot Damage?

Looked in the spreedsheet and found one healer build (FI Healer Build) and (Sniper Setups) for WD setups with hotshot pieces

[vestal ibex]

HH is head hunters, the talent on the chest. EP is eclipse protocol. CC is crowd control. HSD is headshot damage.

[sharp ice]

Thanks dude.

[tame crane]

Those are what I found in the spreadsheet:

EP: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=8f1fc875-172a-9331-f92e-fe314f1772f5&noteKey=dc56508e8364ba0de3919f877c42afe8&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2F8f1fc875-172a-9331-f92e-fe314f1772f5%2Fdc56508e8364ba0de3919f877c42afe8&title=Eclipse%2BProtocol%2B%2528TU19%2529

Sniper Setup with hotshot: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=ee351aec-69d7-ae1d-ecfd-b79c6d55fd20&noteKey=JJe3QzOICL7XdNw2fxPKFqwNUk7kAtvzD6bTxW4KEXm52Vcy6gr4-7xMQA&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2Fee351aec-69d7-ae1d-ecfd-b79c6d55fd20%2FJJe3QzOICL7XdNw2fxPKFqwNUk7kAtvzD6bTxW4KEXm52Vcy6gr4-7xMQA&title=Sniper%2BSetups%2B%2528TU19%2529

Healer:
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=022975b4-183e-e730-c18b-06ff00cb26ea&noteKey=6160294f8f6e72cf99375efb0813747a&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2F022975b4-183e-e730-c18b-06ff00cb26ea%2F6160294f8f6e72cf99375efb0813747a&title=Future%2BInitiative%2BHealer%2B%2528TU19%2529

Would you recommend getting those? 😄 Also, can't really seem to find "crowd control" one

[onyx sage]

CC is the EP (Eclipse Protocol) one

[tame crane]

ooh ok thanks guys

[cursive gull]

I tried to build mortar, what's the expected damage of the mortar? I get like 6 million on heroic CD currently

Also a real pain to get skill damage on contractors/sacrifice

[flint wave]

could Evernote links be any bigger?😭

[vestal ibex]

[link name](actual link)

[unkempt dune]

Could you Heal yourself from you bleeding when u use backfire if you equipped Ridgewood exotic chest?

[glossy scarab]

yea if you get enough enemies bleeding. but its not gonna be a very easy way to play. the best way to do it is a bleed immune build

[hollow pasture]

In countdown it can work

I've tried that method

[glossy scarab]

creeping death makes healing pretty good with ridgeways

[hollow pasture]

Probably the best combo other than just straight up bleed immunity build

[hexed steppe]

yeah it is a pain getting those unicorns. with capacitor stacked and combined arms procced im getting right around 9mil a hit. i been using btsu recently with stinger hive and oc mortars with everything procced are around 10.5 mil.
if you did a standard 3 empress, china, 2 wyvern with glass and and backpack* damage talent of choice you should see somewhere between 7-8mil im guessing

i dont use the mortar in countdown tho since its easy for hunters to hack

[hexed steppe]

copy paste a screenshot of the build .

[cursive gull]

mind you i dont have the good contract gloves or the sacrifice rn

[hexed steppe]

ok, until you have 2 good grupo dont use any grupo. its the 2pc bonus you want. replace it with a 3rd empress and you gain 10%skill damage and 10% status effects from the skill efficiency

the unicorns are for min max anyways and not required. youll have strong mortar hits regardless

[hollow pasture]

Put together a mishmash of stuff I need to get proficient with in countdown
Surprisingly fun tho

[glossy scarab]

perfect unstoppable force is perfect for HF

[hollow pasture]

Got this out of a random proficiency cache
Anything I can use it for

[glossy scarab]

looks useful

[slate wedge]

no full red = opinion unvalid

[glossy scarab]

not knowing how to spell. opinion invalid

[onyx sage]

who pinged me

[slate wedge]

cyberbullying = opinion unvalid

[slate wedge]

noone, go back to sleep

[glossy scarab]

wtf lol you started it. all i did was clap back, thought thats how the internet works

[slate wedge]

i am not at all serious lmao

[glossy scarab]

me neither

[slate wedge]

i can't spell tbh

[glossy scarab]

lol its ok

[slate wedge]

so jokes on me

[glossy scarab]

i dont judge

[slate wedge]

ABER ICH KANN DEUTSCH SPRECHEN

[onyx sage]

susge

[slate wedge]

accidentally pinged you

[valid rune]

Is the build I see dominating Countdown the striker set and St. Elmo's Engine?

[ruby mauve]

yes

[covert hatch]

pit the crit attribute in your library, or recailbrate status effects to skill damage

[covert hatch]

does that proc the damage? neat

[glossy scarab]

no the creeping death spreads the bleed. the armor regen is based on how many enemies you have bleeding at a time

[rich cosmos]

I thought the regen specifically also was tied to the range of the bleed

[hollow pasture]

Shooting within 15 meters that's it

[rich cosmos]

They should increase the range to 20 or 25 meters

[hoary atlas]

Might Be this is the Best Idea for striker build

Use At Anytime

[cursive gull]

@hexed steppe finally got my unicorn pieces

[tawdry flare]

Nice

[tawdry flare]

Blue cores are definitely not worth it you are running unbreakable you have 2X the Armour I would go full DMG ie red cores

Also a ceska unbreakable chest would have been nice

[hoary atlas]

Nah I don't need it because for Survivability on Incursion

[tawdry flare]

You don't need survivability if NPCs are dead sooner and you can one phase bosses

[hoary atlas]

Well I use Perfect Unbreakable

[tawdry flare]

I was talking about red cores

Why go all blue when you can go all red with unbreakable

[hoary atlas]

Oh my bad

[tawdry flare]

I am fine with unbreakable

[gentle lichen]

It's a 5% diff. Not worth losing 10% chc

[tawdry flare]

It's a pve build not PvP build

[hoary atlas]

I use PVE

[tawdry flare]

All the more reason for ceska unbreakable

[cursive gull]

wouldnt you just use obliterate instead?

[gentle lichen]

It is preferable.

[hoary atlas]

I only need a Protection of Elites and Crit Damage and CHC

For Juggernaut Build

[tulip charm]

Let me guess. 6 piece improvise?

[hoary atlas]

Yes for PVE build like Juggernaut

[gentle lichen]

3 improvised being holster kneepads gloves

Mask is chillout

But damage output will be low

[tulip charm]

is chillout in the loot drop atm?

[gentle lichen]

Yes

[tulip charm]

I see

[dense meteor]

im not the best ****

[hushed gorge]

my luck today

man

[hushed gorge]

u will be soon

[dense meteor]

any advice?

[hushed gorge]

u r in early game,play as u like

[gentle lichen]

Gear doesn't matter pre 40 just put on anything that's higher level/quality than the last item and progress

[gentle lichen]

Beautiful

[tulip charm]

Save all the side missions until you finish main mission/last fight

[hushed gorge]

now just need The Bighorn

[dense meteor]

ok

[hushed gorge]

and Regulas Weapon parts,gonna wait for a week

then i ll have all the hardest earned Exotics

[tawdry flare]

Bighorn is not worth the effort imo the pts version is better though

[hushed gorge]

i ll collect it

The Ravenous is not a beast weapon,But I tried to get it anyways as a trophy weapon

[tawdry flare]

Yeah collectors pcs

[hushed gorge]

and succeeded

got a God Rolled Famas as a by product lol

FAMASforlyf

[tulip charm]

I right I need to farm a f2k

[hushed gorge]

also got a decent f2k,

[tulip charm]

nice

[gentle lichen]

What are the differences?

[gentle lichen]

Glad i still kept my shield splinterer

[tawdry flare]

Upto 100% Headshot DMG and dttoc, HSD 4% per stack stacks upto 25 times

[gentle lichen]

Dtoc wtf

[hushed gorge]

i am too lazy to grind the ivory keys

🗿

[tawdry flare]

DTTOC third attribute

[gentle lichen]

Wouldn't that increase its dps exponentially?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah and it also felt more stable

[gentle lichen]

Compared to eb i doubt it doesn't shit on it

100% dttoc is ludicrous

[tawdry flare]

No no no I meant 100% hsd and third attribute as dttoc also shots to stack is less

25 stack for max buff

[gentle lichen]

I feel like that would be a wast since it's going to be additive with the dtooc from talent. Dta might be better (pvp wise)

[tawdry flare]

Bruh I said it doesn't have dttoc in talent

[gentle lichen]

Ahhh i almost lost my shit

Thought that ravenous n2

[tawdry flare]

Yeah 100% dttoc means rip for every other weapons

[hushed gorge]

100% damge to out of cover even a thing?

☠️

[tulip charm]

No

[tawdry flare]

Nope

[runic sphinx]

Anyone got a good dps/healer hybrid build for pvp

[hushed gorge]

does anyone use healer build on pvp?

damn

[runic sphinx]

im kinda bored of all my builds cant think of anything to try

[hazy steeple]

There's a few PvP ones listed in the spreadsheet, could try out a new one there.

[hushed gorge]

nearly 2 hrs on Summit,got many good loot but no bighorn

wow,game gave a CHAMELEON 💀

man ,4th chameleon today

[gentle lichen]

Can save you from 2 shot by shotgunners

[hushed gorge]

an Ouroboros normal pvp build user can easily kill you

[gentle lichen]

At max armor it's 1.7

[gentle lichen]

Not at all lmao

[hushed gorge]

congrats then

[gentle lichen]

Keep moving and dropping those chems with hive down

This is the most armor you can put on healer btw

[hushed gorge]

can it counter st elmos?

i mean the shock shots

[slate wedge]

wouldn't something else than foundry be better?

[gentle lichen]

Tech so within 5m of hive you are immune

[gentle lichen]

Foundry for armor that equates to 5 blues

You can drop it for alps or murakami for more heals

That'd bring you to 1.5~1.6

[hushed gorge]

so the st elmos shock thing is situational

[gentle lichen]

Want a hazpro healer?

[hushed gorge]

sure

[gentle lichen]

Not near the system rn

[slate wedge]

is future even worth it for a healer build?

[glossy scarab]

future initiative is a great set

[slate wedge]

i know, but in PVP you aren't nearly as often on full HP as in PVE

so the buff is useless

[glossy scarab]

oh yea pvp

[slate wedge]

wouldn't a high end healer be better

[flint wave]

gonna make a hybrid?

[slate wedge]

never saw a high end pvp healer build tbh

[gentle lichen]

It's for proximity heals

Amplifies that healing so damn much

[slate wedge]

oh yeah true

[gentle lichen]

Total weapon damage is still applicable

[gentle lichen]

I attempted one

[slate wedge]

yeah but only when on full HP

[slate wedge]

full healer or hybrid?

[gentle lichen]

Switch for btsu tho

Instead of alps

[hushed gorge]

🤔

damn

[tawdry flare]

wouldnt emphatic be better

also murakami

[gentle lichen]

It's only 9%

[tawdry flare]

with 1 pcs yahl

[gentle lichen]

You can go hazpro route but skill haste will be shit

[flint wave]

sad pvp stats

[tawdry flare]

yup maybe ninja haz hybrid healer idk

[gentle lichen]

Tried that with cav but the bag is miles better

There's also that 2 blue healer with fi bag btsu alps chest with emphatic+ tech

But 1 shotgun shot and you're on the floor

[tawdry flare]

mhh maybe picaro and tech combo

screw picaro

2 brazos is see

[hushed gorge]

i guess Summit floor 10 legendary grind is better than Countdown

[slate wedge]

btsu in pvp isn't that good is it?

also why not empathic resolve and ninjabike

[gentle lichen]

My method of healing isn't only the chem and hive

It's also perfect efficient survivalist

[slate wedge]

i could imagine that being pretty random tho

because timing the kits is pretty darn hard

[gentle lichen]

I mean it takes 10 seconds to arm talent

5 seconds of survivalist buff active

So it's 5s downtime

Add 3 secs because pulling medkit takes a shit ton of time

Also when you are on survivalist medkit you are almost always at full armor

So you will make use of safeguard

[slate wedge]

true true

[gentle lichen]

Not to mention lefty with survivalist grenade = area of denial allowing team to breathe

[tall axle]

hey boys, any tips for a pve status effect build?

[covert hatch]

if you didnt know do summit floor 10 on legendary, keep 1 add alive, and reload if the boss doesent drop it

[vestal ibex]

EP status build Along side this build you can find many more in the pinned spreadsheet on the build hubs tab.

[tall axle]

tyvm dude ❤️

[covert hatch]

is there a collection of these evernote pages anywhere

[vestal ibex]

Check the pinned messages of this channel for the spreadsheet then head to the build hub tab. On the right side you'll see a link to the build guide.

[covert hatch]

ive been using that spreadsheet for ages but didnt ever look at that section ty

[hushed gorge]

Already doing it for 4 long hrs

6 Chameleons but no Bighorn

💀

[covert hatch]

yeah bighorns my last exotic to get also cuz i just cba to do summit

[hushed gorge]

I dont have Bighorn and Regulas rn

Tho got the regulas project

Now gonna wait for a week

[covert hatch]

what do you have to do for regulus? is that the donate a bunch of random brandsets thing?

[hushed gorge]

1. Iron Horse

2. 4 Projects will trigger,you gotta finish it

3.After Finishing the projects
Gotta do Iron Horse again for Crafting items

4. Craft Regulas

[tame crane]

after doing all that, does the Regulas go into your general loot pool?

[hushed gorge]

Nope

Reconfigure it if u dont like the stats

[vestal ibex]

If you put your regulus on another character and run IH on a fresh week they will drop the parts to make another one.

Only way to get more regulus.

[hushed gorge]

Or
You can stash your regulas on inventory and then use on another character

[tame crane]

gotcha, well would have to start with doing IH first then, never done one before, but will keep in mind for the future 👍

[hushed gorge]

But u need at least one Regulas

[hushed gorge]

Remember, it is the hardest raid in this game so far so try to get a proper team

[tame crane]

Yeah I have heard that, so not really rushing to do it

[hushed gorge]

I used Eagle Bearer, ACS-12
4pcs Striker, 1 Groupo,1Ceska
59/154 Crit stats with 1.3M armor

When doing this raid

You can use St Elmos
I used EB for the high base dmg

[vestal ibex]

It's not that bad. Depending on the group you won't be doing much other than focusing on learning what's going on.

[hushed gorge]

Communication is the game changer here

[vestal ibex]

Railyard-shoot stuff
Heat chamber-shoot stuff
Boss 2-Watch for picture shoot box go to airlock shoot boss
aqua duct-Shoot stuff
Sniper ally-shoot stuff
Boss 3-Follow healer shoot stuff go up chain when told more shooty stuff
Foam ally-don't shoot stuff
Boss 4-Stay behind tracks and don't shoot sniper then go to mid when told and in and out twice then go back behind rails then go mid finish boss

This is the raid you'll do with a good teaching group and it'll be 40-50 minutes.

[tame crane]

thanks will look into it

also, which one would be the better option for the Sniper Hotshot setup for now? no luck getting one with DTTOOC or Determined, so thinking about recalibrating one of those to Determined and just run with the third attribute as it is until I get lucky

[hushed gorge]

Use Dmg to target out of cover on the 2nd one

[covert hatch]

think they need determined on it still tho

[tame crane]

yeah its not rolled to determined, thinking I should put that OVER dttooc

[hushed gorge]

🙂

[covert hatch]

id pick the second still tho

[hushed gorge]

Whats your shd lvl btw?🫤

Mine is 789

[covert hatch]

somewhere around 500

493 maybe

[hushed gorge]

Bighorn is a Myth to me right now☠️☠️

5 hrs🗿

[tame crane]

I think Bighorn was the first exotic ever I got from countdown exotic cache lol

[gentle lichen]

You can't?

[hushed gorge]

What?

TF

[tame crane]

oh, I have no clue how i got it then

[hushed gorge]

Check it again bro

Bighorn is Legendary Content

Not on general pool content

[covert hatch]

mind if i join you later if you still dont have it?

[hushed gorge]

When you ll be free?

[tame crane]

oh I might have gotten it from that Legendary weekly mission once then, the boss dropped it

[hushed gorge]

And tell me your ign

[hushed gorge]

Lucky my man☠️

[covert hatch]

45 mins ish i think, ign is my name

[hushed gorge]

Pablo...

Nvm

[covert hatch]

yeah typing it is scuffed in discord

[tame crane]

what build is that weapon viable in?

[hushed gorge]

Is your IGN starts from P?

[covert hatch]

yh

[hushed gorge]

Ok Pablo

[covert hatch]

its just good generally damage wise

[hushed gorge]

I ll be free in 2 hrs i guess

If u r fre that time

If not
I ll send a friend req anyways

The only good thing i got today from Summit Legendary mode

[covert hatch]

probably better than a bighorn usefulness wise

[hushed gorge]

I am trying to get it as a collection

I got all the exclusive exotics

Except this Bighorn and Regulas

[covert hatch]

funny enough my last exotic besides bighorn was acostas go bag because it refused to drop

someone else had to drop me it

[tame crane]

pain farming for mask/gloves/Holster for hotshot setup and this backpack drops

[vestal ibex]

I'd save it tho. The backpack is perfectly fine to use more often than you'd think.

[tame crane]

yeah I will for sure keep it

[hexed steppe]

You'll never realistically use a hotshot bag. Itll either be a vigilance bag or memento

Nobody giving up 25% Twd for ability to miss a shot 😅

[vestal ibex]

I really need to convince a more motivated person to put together a spreadsheet of what weapon damage/HSD you need for each diff and scale because it really just doesn't matter with the sniper builds and no one ever points that out.

[hexed steppe]

First shot damage matters when starting your chains...

[onyx sage]

hmm...

[hexed steppe]

Certain elements need to be there regardless if top damage at full stacks is way past what's needed

[vestal ibex]

Well first shot damage is way past needed most of the time too.

[hexed steppe]

Not without vigilance

[vestal ibex]

Yes with out vigi.

[hexed steppe]

In a hotshot build? Doubt

[blissful rampart]

tac 50?

[hexed steppe]

Maybe, but rookie builders shouldnt be given hope that a hotshot bag is useful... which is where this started

Kinda like saying hotshot chest is usefull

[vestal ibex]

That's like saying we aren't talking about HH any more tho?

Not really a point to stand on.

[hexed steppe]

What does a 321 build consist of @vestal ibex

[vestal ibex]

Are you trying to build that?

[hushed gorge]

@covert hatch Are u online rn?

[hexed steppe]

I'm just asking what the basic setup consists of...Talents, brands

It is top damage sniping setup, right?

Even without 321 you'll still want headhunter and vigilance/concussion/memento to be giving some damage.
Anything else seems like wasted potential...
Hell even ninja bag would be better that hotshot bag 👀

[vestal ibex]

The 321 build is stupid to me and it's something you make when you've gotten unicorns. It's not the "best" build by any means it just hits for the most at top. It creates a false idea of what a good sniper build is for new players that could use a hotshot bag and pop heads with the same effect as a 321 build.

I want people to play the game and HH is SUPER low entry but people talk and paint a picture like it wont work unless you've got X and Y and that's false.

[hexed steppe]

Giving up a huge damage boost isnt the best advice..
I agree that a lot of variance is possible with headhunter setups but being able to get good damage up front is what makes the builds entry level friendly.

[vestal ibex]

There is a reason people don't main nem even tho it's way more damage than WD but you don't see conversations like this happen because it works right? It's not like the memento suggestion you made has anything going for it until you've got stacks but you don't struggle to get kills right?

[tawdry flare]

Unicorn farming is life

[hexed steppe]

The reason for whitedeath is determined.... otherwise it would be mantis or nem...
It can be difficult to get stacks in the beginning with memento, I like that type of setup personally but I have other means of building stacks as well. I personally will only suggest someone use vigilance if giving advice...

[tawdry flare]

Nope wd is the meta MMR for live game regardless of determined

[hexed steppe]

Wait for project ramshackle ... 😂

You didnt see near the number of headhunter builds in matchmaking before determined

Now its littered

[vestal ibex]

WD will still be just as good as it is but other more powerful snipers will just lower the HH entry point further and lend even more to my claims tho.

Me out here just raw doggin it with a flatline WD and spotter drone recently cause I'm tired of cheese.

[hexed steppe]

Sure. What bag?

[vivid idol]

can anyone explain to me how some players are really tougher than me but still do more damage than me at the same time? what kind of build is it?

[tawdry flare]

Me using mantis

[tawdry flare]

Must be due to expertise

[hexed steppe]

Paste a screenshot of your build and maybe we can tell you

[vestal ibex]

lol this man really wants a GOTCHA moment lol

[hexed steppe]

Just being realistic

Ig I know the answer anyways 🤣

[prisma ravine]

Any DPS build recommendations?

[vestal ibex]

Well I need vigi in my HH MMR build because I have almost no HSD rolled on it.

[vivid idol]

the average striker, all red cores, chc, weapon damage, chd, striker chest, elmo the tank engine and acs12, most attributes are full and shd level 229, and expertise 2, can't screenshot cuz i'm resting

[vestal ibex]

I traded damage for QOL and I need to make up for it some how.

[woven tulip]

For incursions im having difficulties surviving in a 6 red strikers build with ceska chest piece, should i run 3 blue 3 red strikers build? Im using st elmos, turret/decoy and reviver hive as well.

[vivid idol]

coyote mask and ceska holster

[hexed steppe]

There is it... its realistic use. Advice given should be realistic as well. OP with hotshot bag should be told bag is trash... which is all I did 😎

[tawdry flare]

A 5.11 bag with vigilance will do more dmg

[hexed steppe]

When you get back to game take a look at your chc and chd. If you are low critical hit chance it will effect your overall dps. Striker should be doing a great deal of damage

[hexed steppe]

No doubts

[slate wedge]

collector with lefty is fun

[vestal ibex]

The advice I was giving is it doesn't matter. You could wear a grey gear backpack and have effectively the same sniper build in heroic solo. It's all trash if it doesn't matter.

[sullen sun]

Should one use the Mech Animal with a drone build?

[sullen sun]

Collector is such a lame piece of gear

[tawdry flare]

You should go with a regular weapon with future perfect like famas or m4

[vapid bobcat]

Hi guys any gear recommendations using st elmos? Tu!

[hexed steppe]

I'm sure you follow that same advice... 🤣
In the end vigilance is bis. Anything else is missing damage potential.
Also saying it's good in solo heroic just means its lacking in 4man heroic. But that's the last of it from me...

[hollow pasture]

What are we talking about?
Hotshot BP?

[vestal ibex]

#td2-build-advice message

Start here and read down if you wanna know.

[hollow pasture]

Hotshot bag has its uses
More so for newer players

Since it allows one miss

[vestal ibex]

NO you gotta use a vigi bag or it's not good.

[slate wedge]

not really, in pvp it is quite fun

[vestal ibex]

Didn't you read the messages?

[hollow pasture]

I use a vigi bag but I can understand why people run hotshot bag
I ran it before
But got pissed with the hotshot mechanics

If you have hotshots stacks and throw a decoy there goes all stacks

So I just gave up on using the bag since I'm most likely gonna lose all stacks anyway throwing a decoy out

[vestal ibex]

wut? That's dumb.

[hollow pasture]

What is?
Stacks being gone throwing a decoy?

[vestal ibex]

Yeah. Is there something in the talent that makes that happen or a bug?

[hollow pasture]

It's happened since release
Let me check if description says anything about switching weapons as it might apply to skills too

[vestal ibex]

Yeah if it counts a skill as a swap it might do that. I wonder if insta drop would trigger it too but then you got decoy boi right next to you. Makes sense while running but not more traditional sniping.

[hollow pasture]

Nothing about switching in its description

Insta drop decoy does not remove them

You switching to ur secondary also removes the stacks

[vestal ibex]

Now I'm curious if there is any diff between a hot shot BP and vigi BP. I kinda forget that 4pc hots allows you to have unlimited ammo and no reloads but I wonder if there is any difference in the 1-2-3 shot that makes any difference with enemy archtype.

[hollow pasture]

Wish they worded it properly tho
But tbh you shouldn't lose the stacks when trying to throw a skill

Using the tac drone now gives me an idea for a flatline sniper build lol

It pulses so many enemies at once

[onyx sage]

y'all debating between the two when i'm just using bloodsucker

[vestal ibex]

Hey I'm on the side none of it matters, pick a QOL thing.

[onyx sage]

it's okay not trying to point fingers, but yeah that's what i'm siding with too

[vestal ibex]

It's what I've been using because I'm sick of determined and I'd rather be good at sniping. Determined just makes me way worse at it because I'm just flicking body shots with it. Also I don't see how the decoy is messing up any sort of stacks, either HH or hots, in your clip.

[hollow pasture]

Right at the start

When I throw decoy

[vestal ibex]

Ah so when you double tap it doesnt then?

[hollow pasture]

Dropping it does not remove the stacks

It might just be throwing skills

[vestal ibex]

But pulling the skill out seems to. I mean if it does it with a chem launcher or hive then yeah it counts as a swap from the sniper then.

[hollow pasture]

Probably related to when throwing them you dont have ur weapon out anymore

Just dropping it you still have ur weapon

[vestal ibex]

I hate that I wanna say not the worst bug I've seen. Man am I desensitized to the bugs in this game.

[hollow pasture]

It's not but yea it's a pet peeve of mine with hotshot

[onyx sage]

part of the mastery in the game now is just anticipating bugs before they happen to you and you get killed

it's ridiculous

[vestal ibex]

The amount of people I've seen running the manhunt over and over is wild. If you want people to replay it this is not the way.

[hollow pasture]

#td2-build-advice message

Reported this months ago

[tawdry flare]

Yeah I am one of the person

[vestal ibex]

Hopefully they'll resolve some of these issues...

[tawdry flare]

Don't forget invisible NPCs I got today on Hardcore Characters and Amazing Loading times

Which allows players to shoot through walls

[hollow pasture]

All intended features

Time has come
Gonna use the apartment to get it proficient

I just noticed this wtf
Pestilence talent has no description

Another feature 😭

[runic sphinx]

any good ongoing directive pvp builds with iron lung?

[sullen sun]

Do you need repair skills on a drone/turret build?

[patent fossil]

unless it's a repair drone, repair skills would give no benefit whatsoever

[sullen sun]

Is skill efficiency how quickly your drone kills?

[patent fossil]

skill efficiency is a combination of all skill stats (haste, damage, duration, health etc)

[sullen sun]

3 pc Empress or Hana for PvP?

[patent fossil]

I'm not familiar with pvp skill builds, but from what I've heard they tend to revolve around fire skills or the artillery turret

[hexed glen]

best talents for smgs?

[glad heart]

Strained, Fast Hands...

[hexed glen]

thanks!

[dreamy valve]

When did they reskinned some of these exotics?

[vestal ibex]

The start of this season I think. Lefty got the bloody skin and some other stuffs too I think. Rip super soaker.

[dreamy valve]

Oh

[fallen comet]

stage left got a blue skin too

[torpid dirge]

Would running an artificer hive with a reinforcer chem launcher make sense?

I’m not sure if the hive buffs the launcher effectively

I’m trying to do a healer build for context

[dreamy valve]

The reinforcer Chem heals so much you wouldn’t need it anyway

[torpid dirge]

Gotcha👌

[woven tulip]

Would a 4 red and 2 blue build be good for incursion? Im looking for survivability

[hollow pasture]

Starting with year 5 season 1

Bluescreen, capacitor

[fallen comet]

6 red only pretty much

[bright raptor]

no, in the incursion your survivability is killing enemies dead first

use a decoy or a shield, usually a decoy

[fallen comet]

or both

[vestal ibex]

Not sure how well it shows up on console but shields you can use the cap with show off the static too and it's a pretty sick effect.

Can see one big arc in this pic.

[hollow pasture]

That's neat
I don't really use capacitor with Shield so never noticed

[vestal ibex]

Yeah I was looking into a dumb build so it was gonna be used. Asked someone how it looked to them and found out on potato settings on PC you pretty much can't see them.

[cursive gull]

what 3rd attribute should i run for weapons in the DZ, would it still be DTOOC?

[onyx sage]

yes

[sage matrix]

I'm putting together a chameleon true patriot build, but the chameleon traits aren't building up. Does anyone know if it's bugged?

[violet swan]

Aces and eights look fun, but is it really usable at heroic/legendary?

[onyx sage]

heroic yes, legendary questionable

[flint wave]

worse hotshot tbh

[violet swan]

RIP. Seemed like fun

anyone got a quick hotshot build I can use for reference?

[wise patio]

As soon as you exit combat they gone

[sage matrix]

As long as you’re shooting and stay in there, combat effects are active. Regardless it didn’t work in live combat either

[round zinc]

no,when you exit combat the buff refreshes and stops decaying

[hushed gorge]

Finally 🗿

wasted 9 hrs from my life to get this

[candid night]

Mid gun

[hushed gorge]

i like collecting rare stuffs

[tulip charm]

9 hours of farming summit is wild but gz ig

[hushed gorge]

Well
Tried some Legendary mission but no luck back there

[zenith drift]

What a good skill based build

[hushed gorge]

I spent around 6 hrs on summit

I got Famas 2010 with god rolls from summit
a must have gun

[tawdry flare]

You can craft it you know that right?

[fallen comet]

yeah but optimizing it is a pain for low shd players

[hushed gorge]

Bighorn can be crafted?

[violet swan]

anyone got a good solo build for heroic open world farming?

I use a crit damage build, but it's squishy. Mostly works fine, but feel like there's better options

[hushed gorge]

oh u meant famas 2010?
yes,it can be crafted but getting god rolls 💀

[tawdry flare]

Yup

[hushed gorge]

U cant get these god rolls via crafting☠️

It ll take ages

[glad heart]

I beg to differ: I crafted a god rolled Nemesis, a few months ago. It was the second time I had crafted a Nemesis. (I moved the original to another toon)

[fallen comet]

exotics are an exception since theyre crafted/dropped with high rolls

[glad heart]

Well ok, I don't do much crafting anyway....

[hushed gorge]

Bro,Exotic Weapons always have good rolls

Unlike High Tier Weapons and Gears

[hushed gorge]

U can run St Elmos if u dont have EB
I run this on heroic with 4 directives

well,i use fixer drone instead of Riot foam

[flint wave]

St elmos is better anyway

[hexed steppe]

mortar/explosives build, also eclipse protocol fire build. both are listed in the pinned spreadsheet in this channel📌

[hushed gorge]

EB's Base dmg is higher than St Elmos, I get 1.3M Crit dmg with EB with 4 Red Cores,2 Blue cores
54/155 Crit ratio

[flint wave]

elmos has better mods across the board with a higher fire rate and the best handling among the ars

[hushed gorge]

Yes,I didnt say st elmos is bad

[flint wave]

elmos gets 58/176 with that build

[hushed gorge]

Hmm
EB doesnt have CHC mods

So
My stat is 54/155

[flint wave]

it has a 15% mod

Nvm 10%

The 15% is the crit damage mod

[hushed gorge]

Maybe
Didnt check

But St Elmos's Mod scores are higher

Still,i like to use EB/P416

[vivid idol]

what's the maximum chd when i already maxed 60% chc?

[violet swan]

what gear set is that?

I just got st elmos now

[hushed gorge]

4Pcs Strikers

[violet swan]

ah I couldn't find it on targeted loot

[hushed gorge]

its on the targeted loot

[violet swan]

Is it still crit build?

[hushed gorge]

yes

@devout iris

Lullaby and Ruthless is not here on the ultimate edition
u gotta pay extra for that

[violet swan]

tyvm

[devout iris]

so basically i gotta buy that pack for a few dollar's then to get the ultimate edition

[hushed gorge]

yes

[devout iris]

well now i know what do i get after i get mw3 and only play zombies

[brisk barn]

the guns are just reskins anyway

[hushed gorge]

st elmos engine build

crit stats @violet swan

[devout iris]

don't care, cause i need my exotic collection completed

[hushed gorge]

LowTierGod moment

[brisk barn]

Grupo Sombra is replaceable with Ceska if your CHC isn't high enough

[hushed gorge]

54/164 is okay

[brisk barn]

yeah but that's with really good rolls

[hushed gorge]

why would i use ceska
60 chc is cap

[brisk barn]

not you 🫠

[hushed gorge]

☠️

[violet swan]

tyvm

[brisk barn]

if someone's asking for a build and they don't have the CHC

[hushed gorge]

as a p416 enjoyer,i use this

54/159

[tidal valve]

AUGH

EB is getting buffed at Y5S3, hopefully i get it :)

st elmo really hitting hard here.

[hushed gorge]

yes,50 rpm increase

How do u guys use 6 Red Cores?
U guys are pro

i have skill issue so i need minimum 2 blue cores

[flint wave]

cover

it's not much better if at all then the same dps build with a few blues tbh in most content

[hushed gorge]

your crit ratio?

[tawdry flare]

A sniper as a backup you should keep a SMG or Shotgun handy Shotgun would be especially nice

[hushed gorge]

got the budget Ouroboros from DZ

by killing a rogue agent of course

[tawdry flare]

Budget ouroboros is Scorpio imo

[hushed gorge]

scorpio is a shotgun

dark winters has the highest rpm after ouroboros

[tawdry flare]

In Pts That title goes to Chatterbox

[tawdry flare]

RPM is not everything

DPS is everything

[hushed gorge]

perfect killer passive,how bout that?

[flint wave]

Instead of big close range damage it's close range cc

Equally as strong

[tawdry flare]

Perfect killer is rng I would rather have optimist/strained on vector

[flint wave]

killer sucks I agree

[hushed gorge]

Anyways

[tawdry flare]

Get a vector with strained/fast hands imo

[hushed gorge]

I have Ouroboros ☠️☠️,so no need for a Vector SMG

[tawdry flare]

Than Deconstruct every other SMG - EXOTICS

[hushed gorge]

Why?

I use Lady death and backfire on DZ

[gentle lichen]

Backfire 🤮

[vestal ibex]

Has ouro, no need for lady death or backfire.

[hushed gorge]

Kinda yes

After getting ouroboros, i am using Ouroboros ever since

Guys,if i said anything wrong before,i am sorry.🙂

[tidal valve]

ye

57/174 is really hitting hard, and when your striker stack goes beyond 100, the enemy will just get shredded

[tidal valve]

i never switch weapon anyway

[tawdry flare]

Should keep something handy for Oh Shit Moment's

[tidal valve]

"scorpio"

[tawdry flare]

Can't use that with elmos

[tidal valve]

oh yeah

welp, elmos stack keep me alive then

[modest lance]

I have come back after a long break. What should I do with this "build" right now?

[tawdry flare]

There is nothing wrong you can put the technician specialization though for Faraday

[hexed steppe]

Run demo class and mortar . Big damage and quick cooldown

Nice, already on demo 😅

[hushed gorge]

anyone needs Bighorn?

was grinding for Lazy little Bee Pistol

[vestal ibex]

You can't give it away so?

[hushed gorge]

i cant?

u cant share bighorn?

[vestal ibex]

Who was in your game when it dropped?

[hushed gorge]

nobody,got it on Summit

oh,i got it now

i need to have a teammate

[vestal ibex]

Yeah sharing is only possible to people in your party at the time it drops.

[hushed gorge]

wasted my 9 hrs to get first one
and now got it on first try of today

RNG STONKS 💀

[gentle lichen]

Imagine if you could share with non teammates lol

Exotics black market

[hushed gorge]

like CSGO Black markets lol

tho this is a different case

[gentle lichen]

Delete that since you have website name shown

Counts as advertising

[vestal ibex]

LOL yeah I've heard about this junk, they borrow your account and get them for you.

[hushed gorge]

my bad

[gentle lichen]

You're good

[vestal ibex]

Bro is just trying to keep you safe too.

[hushed gorge]

almost every Div 2 yt promote this website

[gentle lichen]

"We will play the game instead of you. Hope you have fun!"

[vestal ibex]

I've never seen that but I also don't watch many div youtubers.

[hushed gorge]

irony

[vestal ibex]

"sick I finally have all the weapons to shred yet I still suck"

[hushed gorge]

imagine paying 250 euro for ouroboros whereas u can get it for free

u just have to find a team
i found mine on #td2-clan-recruitment

[gentle lichen]

People run incursions for fun anyway they'll surely invite an ftc

No need to pay ridiculous amount let alone paying at all

[hushed gorge]

whats a ftc?

[gentle lichen]

First time completing

[elder fractal]

i haver managed to get to this build after playing for 1 week (new to the game) but not sure if this is good or not or what i may change, also i got really lucky and my first unique drop was st elm engine. I'm seeking for the unique mask that gives crit and a shit ton of damage or the memento, any advice will be helpfull as im triying to lvl up as much as posible so people want to play with me raids and all the fun stuff

[vestal ibex]

The striker BP is BIS but the chest is situational as 200 stacks is hard to keep up in most content. A better chest for most content is ceska with obliterate talent. The coyotes mask is very good for all content you'll just need to tune your CHC depending on short/mid buff. 50% if you are on mid buff most the time and if you don't use coyotes or are short buff mostly you'd shoot for the CHC cap of 60%. If you are new you'll wanna start running CPs to get blueprints and you should start leveling all your specializations too as they all have their uses and you'll wanna swap freely without having to level them when making new builds or trying to min max.

[hushed gorge]

use gunner class and groupo chest with obliterate

[elder fractal]

sorry i dont know what you mean by cps ???and what changes would you make then on the build? I'm, doing the mission to unlock gunner class

[hushed gorge]

CHC means Crit hit chance

[vestal ibex]

CPs=control points

[hushed gorge]

Cp means control points

[elder fractal]

ok so change the chest, and what do i put with the striker set?, also is striker set really that worth?

idk this is like the only dps that is not hability that i could find

[vestal ibex]

Striker is one of the easiest to farm and mechanically speaking it's simple too, just shoot and get more damage. Use it to farm up your other builds and SHD while you learn more about the game.

[elder fractal]

and what build you think is better or should aim to farm for?

[hushed gorge]

Man,they shouldve given me 80$ 😭😭

1000 reviews🗿

[vestal ibex]

For single target damage from an auto gun strikers is the best.

[elder fractal]

auto gun strikers you mean what i have?

[vestal ibex]

Yeah elmo, famas, ouro, lots of pew pews very quick.

[hushed gorge]

He meant auto mode Weapons

Like ARs,SMG

[hushed gorge]

Bro can get Elmos,Famas easily
But ouroboros,it ll be a struggle for him

[elder fractal]

i got a smg (explosion) but kills me x
D

[hushed gorge]

The name of thaat smg?

[elder fractal]

explosion

[vestal ibex]

#ask-td2-community message

Idk man, helped get this guy one.

[elder fractal]

ouroboros is good?

better than st elmo?

maybe i should farm for it but i dont know if its wordl drop

[hushed gorge]

obviously,duh

its a meta right now

[hushed gorge]

Ouroboros is Incursion (aka Mini Raid) exclusive

[elder fractal]

and is it hard to do it?

[hushed gorge]

playing with random teammates?
Hell

[elder fractal]

and i asume that they wont take me on one xD

[hushed gorge]

u need a proper team

[elder fractal]

yep but how to find them

[vestal ibex]

LFG discords will give you the best results.

[elder fractal]

thanks a lot guys 😄

if u want to play some day just add me ingame (braisito1)

[sullen sun]

Someone brought up the fact that the striker chest piece deals more damage than Cesca with obliterate last night in my clan. Thoughts?

[onyx sage]

it depends on the situation, if you can maintain 200 stacks it's better

[hushed gorge]

are u a pc player?

[sullen sun]

countdown and Incursion?

[onyx sage]

raids, leg too

[hushed gorge]

Friend req sent @elder fractal

[elder fractal]

im with a friend rn i dont know if we could make the raid with him too

[vestal ibex]

Countdown is still situational imo, incursion the chest is better from tanker on but obliterate chest is better for turrets.

[sullen sun]

Always coming through when you need him

[onyx sage]

so pro

[vestal ibex]

Breh wat?

[onyx sage]

wat? trusted advisor

[vestal ibex]

Breh

[hushed gorge]

@elder fractal cheers

bruh 2 bighorn today within 10 tries

Man
My luck is on fire today
2 exotic drop on the same floor

[wide sundial]

is this good for dz pvp, and what skills are good?

[hushed gorge]

U wont survive

With 1.1M HP
U r pretty much f--ed up

[wide sundial]

this is what I used to run forever ago

[cursive gull]

what is the best in slot SMG that isnt ouro?

[junior surge]

Mpx is pretty good

[cosmic ferry]

I ran like 40 floors of Summit to find Fox's Prayer

Do one Countdown and get 3 sets with max rolls

wtf

[vestal ibex]

lol yeah it's why everyone suggest countdown. 15 minutes of summit and you'd get like 10 items where in countdown you'd get like 50.

[cosmic ferry]

Yeah, it's nuts. I didn't realize

And it seems like Named Items are pretty common too?

[hollow pasture]

Hunters drop guaranteed named items
(the extraction ones)

[cosmic ferry]

And do I have to do damage to those Hunters to be eligible for the drop?

[hollow pasture]

Just shoot at them
Even if ur doing small damage you'll get the drops

[sullen sun]

How’s HB in the DZ?

[vestal ibex]

Good until someone puts on a pulse resistant build, you also lack damage unless you've got stacks but can make up for it if you can use the tech laser. Once a pulse resistant build is on you'll probably get pooed on tho.

[vapid bobcat]

hey guys is true patriot great for st elmos? ty!

[dim ocean]

What is the best loadout for a tank build?

[vestal ibex]

TP is not a good set compared to all the other damage options.

[vestal ibex]

Tank builds are typically purpose built and not useful in 95% of gameplay, you can find tank builds in the spreadsheet that is pinned in this channel. Go to the hub(builds) tab and you'll find a link on the right side that opens into an easy to read build guide.

[vapid bobcat]

oh i see which gear great when using st elmos bro? aside from striker yeah?

[vestal ibex]

Elmo is just a gun so it's not what's good for elmos really. You'd just put elmo on any AR dps build. Nego, HB, Strikers, Highend, they all work with it you just have to roll your CHC to not be over cap.

[vapid bobcat]

oh i see okies bro. with my striker, i got like 53chc and 147chd that good enuf for pve yeah?

[vestal ibex]

Sounds a little low but you might be lower SHD and not have perfect gear yet so if that's the case you all good.

[vapid bobcat]

yeah u right low shd and not even maxed out on everything even the elmos i got from countdown not really good lol

[vestal ibex]

It's a good start so don't worry about it. I would suggest checking out the spread sheet that was mentioned and making a healer and EP fire/cc build. That will prep you to get into legendary and the incursion.

[vapid bobcat]

sweet ty!

[hollow idol]

So I’m lvl 40 and beat the guy I forget his name. But it’s like I unlocked SHD now. A friend was carrying me thru tower and I got a chameleon. What do I do now? Idk what build to go for or anything really. I like ARs and SMGS, mainly AR. He was carrying me to farm for Heartbreaker AR build but we only farmed for like 15 mins so we didn’t go over really anything about it

[hexed steppe]

check the pinned spreadsheet. there is a comprehensive build list. striker probably the easiest to start out with for dps

very easy to farm for as well

[torpid dirge]

This is a build listed on the spreadsheet, I’m curious as to why they opted to not use a gear set like hard wired or rigger?

I would imagine that gear sets are the most powerful armor pieces

[brisk barn]

Much more flat skill damage with high end gear. You get shock and awe (backpack ) boosting your skill damage by 25% on its own not to mention all high end gear can give both skill haste and skill damage not just one or the other

[gentle lichen]

Pretty sure it's the force multiplier since it's a hana u bag (30% skill damage instead of 25%)

[torpid dirge]

Interesting, so with that hybrid it would actually be far more effective from a damage perspective than using either of those sets?

[gentle lichen]

Both sets have very niche use cases

[brisk barn]

Oh I’m stuck on China Light backpack 🫠

[gentle lichen]

Not in skill builds anyway

[brisk barn]

Too many gear sets in my head

[torpid dirge]

Alr, I’ll stick with the build advice then, thanks for the confirmation guys

[brisk barn]

25% is tech support and 20% is China light 😭I was double wrong

[gentle lichen]

Jeez i just realised you said it was shock and awe lmfao

[brisk barn]

I like playing skill based builds it’s easy to get mixed up on my talents

[gentle lichen]

I don't remember the last time i touched a skill build

[brisk barn]

Not time better than now to build

• mortar
  -EP
• drone turret
• spinning flamethrower

[flint wave]

drone turret🛌

[brisk barn]

And just have all of them sit in loadout while you reconsider your life choices

I DONT HAVE A PROBLEM YOU DO

[gentle lichen]

I don't remember the last time i made a PVE build

[brisk barn]

Building armor core despair

[gentle lichen]

Rn i got 1 PVE build

15 pvp builds are plaguing my character and i love it

[tame crane]

which one should I go for on my 3pc Hotshot Sniper Build? On the first one (the left one) I can still recalibrate to Vigilance talent, whilst the one on the right is stuck with Energize, so pretty useless for a sniper build. Thinking it is worth sacrificing 0.8% weapon damage, 2,6% HS damage and 0,5% weapon handling for a useful talent?

I would be getting 25% more weapon damage from the talent so

[brisk barn]

I choose option 3, just keep running CD for better stats /s
Go for better talent, you can optimise stats worst case scenario

[tame crane]

Yeah of course, was thinking as if for now

[gentle lichen]

Those little stats mean little compared to something like vigilance

Bloodsucker is an option too

[tame crane]

yeah true surely better to have a useful talent

[wide sundial]

are ninjabike builds any good?

[round zinc]

Nah

[junior surge]

Not really tbh. Losing a backpack talent but gaining some brand attributes is just about never worth it

[round zinc]

Its all a goofy haha hybrid build,every ninjabag build is strictly worse than a normal hybrid

[junior surge]

If you want a multi-cored backpack that gives you some extra stats, Memento is also just straight up better at that

[wide sundial]

Just wondering cause I wanna make a backfire build

[elder fractal]

hahaha :DDD

[slate wedge]

does one of you guys have the black/ivory gear dye and knows where they got it from?

[flint wave]

Ivory comes from DC hunters and full ivory comes from legendary roosevelt

[slate wedge]

i mean the one that is black/ivory so a black and white one

combined yk

[tame crane]

does the order of attributes really matter? if so how much? in the spreedsheat it says repair skills first then skill haste, however I just got this chest

Or did it maybe reffer to gear pieces with only one attribute? Meaning that I have to prioritize Repair Skills over Skill Haste on things such as holster etc?

[slate wedge]

yeah, it means prioritize repairs skills over skill haste

[tame crane]

yeah that made sense in my head AFTER i asked the question here haha

[junior surge]

You can run a good bit of skill haste on your FI build. You won't even need to change it tbh

Full red builds will get healed to full with one chem even if you run full skill haste, so now worries if you got some skill haste instead of repair skills on your fi pieces

[hushed gorge]

Are you free?

[hushed gorge]

Anyone needs The bighorn?

didnt pick it yet

[vestal ibex]

They have to be in the lobby when it hits the floor.

[hushed gorge]

bruh,so many restrictions

but i dont think so
i picked up The Apartment few days ago

by joining my friends lobby later

so?
you free right now?

[vestal ibex]

wat?

[tawdry flare]

You should not really ask that question to him he is gonna feast on your soul

[hushed gorge]

my bad

i am kinda new in this game

so,dont know all the mechanics

[tawdry flare]

There is nothing wrong with it no one knows everything even vetran or seasoned players

[hushed gorge]

i meant are you in game right now?
whats your in game name? Gonna send you a friend request

[tepid flume]

Can anybody help me/link me w/ any good skill+dps hybrid builds?

[hushed gorge]

UPDATE: The Loot Vanishes when someone joins you

just tried with a friend

[slate wedge]

[tidal valve]

MPX have a good sustain dps tbh

aughh

[hushed gorge]

damn

[tidal valve]

st elmo drop chance among assault rifle exotic is the highest

i always got it, even when I'm searching for chameleon

[night saddle]

all you

[hushed gorge]

and i got 6 chameleons few days ago

[tidal valve]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[hushed gorge]

while doing summit legendary

[hushed gorge]

now i am only getting The Bighorn,this is ridiculous. My targeted loot is pistols ,trying to get busy little bee but game keep giving me bighorn

[onyx sage]

bighorn is separate drop from targeted loot, it's always 5% from legendary boss

[hushed gorge]

now i am gonna farm on Heroic
no getting bighorn

[onyx sage]

if you didn't get blb that means you just didn't drop anything from targeted loot so bighorn has nothing to do with it

[hushed gorge]

RNG,i got it

now i will grind on heroic so that i wont get the bighorn

[onyx sage]

i mean, getting bighorn is a good thing because you get exotic components for free

and you need exotic components

if you can comfortably farm in legendary nothing's stopping you unless you feel like you're farming slower

[hushed gorge]

i have bunch of spare exotics like multiple capacitors,Chameleons etc

[onyx sage]

deconstruct them, you need exotic components

[hushed gorge]

i know that

but thnx

now they gave me MERCILESS 💀

[tidal valve]

bruh

[flint wave]

looking for silver but found gold

[elder fractal]

i am right now

[hushed gorge]

alright

[elder fractal]

when you wrote me it was like 5 am in the mourning in my country

[hushed gorge]

want to play?

[elder fractal]

sure

[hushed gorge]

where do u live?

[elder fractal]

spain

lets see if we can get the coyote mask 4 me or the memento backpack

[hushed gorge]

amigo

☠️

[elder fractal]

xDDDDD

gimme 1 min

1 nmin doing convoy for gunner 1minç

[hushed gorge]

ok

[surreal depot]

Ok

[tidal valve]

we have a chameleon enjoyer

[hushed gorge]

u got Coyote,2xBighorns while playing tho i dropped them

and u r not even shd lvl 100

you are quite lucky
luckier than me

[hushed gorge]

whats the logo?

[patent fossil]

the orange skull thing? Hardcore character.

[hushed gorge]

tf man

[hushed gorge]

whats a hardcore player?

[brisk barn]

619 SHD on hardcore

[hushed gorge]

like PvP god or something

[brisk barn]

[hushed gorge]

oh wait

hardcore mode

[patent fossil]

permadeath mode yeah

you get a separate SHD level from normal softcore character, but you keep it if you die so you don't go back to shd 1 every time

[wary vortex]

guys help me to choose 1/2 path

assault rifle / shotgun (red build)
TOP ATTRIBUTE : weapon damage
SUB ATT: crit chance / dmg

pulse(flatline/spotter) or crit(obliterate)

[patent fossil]

mostly a matter of personal choice, both are good but pulse kind of locks you into the technician spec

[wary vortex]

im fine with that tho

im happy with pulse build

[patent fossil]

you can also run flatline with obliterate, more max damage but needs to stack up first

[uneven cove]

why is everyone running elmos? is that the new dps meta now? i missed a few seasons

[patent fossil]

it's not top DPS but it handles really well so it's great for just beaming enemies in the head at range

plus it has good crit stats and the shock bullets come in handy now and then

[uneven cove]

and you run it with striker right? so you have a bit of armor

[patent fossil]

run it with anything you like

but striker is a red build, not normally run with armor

[uneven cove]

oh right

too much shit to remmeber lol

[patent fossil]

build guides in the spreadsheet pinned in this channel will help

[uneven cove]

well atleast ravenous hasnt fallen off so i dont have to do any farming to go raiding again :)

[wary vortex]

THIS IS GOOD

[urban latch]

cant tell if its a joke or your just new....

[hushed gorge]

Bro is SHD lvl 18

New player

[wary vortex]

pure weapon dmg is fine to me now

i love my gun

[urban latch]

all red builds are good, but what youve got there is a meme build

[hushed gorge]

First of all this aint pure weapon dmg

Its fine for a meme template tho

[wary vortex]

i know, its not the ultimate one bruh

the gear set , exotics

[hushed gorge]

Try going for Striker

[tawdry flare]

a better meme build than what i use

[hushed gorge]

Striker 4pcs

Striker 4pcs is easy to get

[wary vortex]

as i mentioned b4

im struggling in between pulse build and crit build

heartbreaker or striker

[tawdry flare]

a pulse build can be crit build

[hushed gorge]

Striker 4pcs is pure dps build

[tawdry flare]

striker is better

[wary vortex]

aight

[patent fossil]

at the very least, the chest mask and backpack are straight downgrades from brandset items

[tawdry flare]

just cause it does not locks you into things like specialization

[wary vortex]

wait

im fighting a gold helicopter

damn

[tawdry flare]

a marudar drone

[wary vortex]

its tough bruh lol

[vestal ibex]

Why not both?

[tawdry flare]

invisble npc

[wary vortex]

its called aerial recon?

[tawdry flare]

yeah a drone you have to shoot it shoots missile at you

[wary vortex]

welp i finally blew it up lol

[uneven cove]

is striker better then the ol reliable 3pc providence 1 somba, fox's and coyotes?

[tawdry flare]

in term of dps yes at high stacks plus easier to farm

[uneven cove]

how much

cuz i have the ol reliable but im kinda too lazy to go farm a gearset

[tawdry flare]

quite a lot i don't have the exact numbers but it is like minimum 20% difference in DPS

[uneven cove]

damn

guess im banishing myself to the tower again

[tawdry flare]

countdown exists farming is pcs of cake now

[tawdry flare]

countdown 10X better than summit Targetted loot is same as summit

[uneven cove]

ayo

need to check that out then

thanks

[tawdry flare]

NW

[vivid idol]

what's the best secondary when i try striker build with scorpio? i wanted it try to use it more to stun hunters in countdown

[junior surge]

I like the famas

[cosmic ferry]

I've tried a couple different AR's and LMG's and there's nothing I like more than the FAMAS

[vivid idol]

Normal famas or burn out better?

[eager grove]

o7 Maybe weird questions but i made this build and the youtuber is rocking 700k hits while I don't get higher than 450k, I'm pretty sure the lvl 23 expertise doesn't make such a difference and I'm not sure what I am missing out !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l00b_v0PFhU&t=317s

[uneven cove]

i mean is your crit damage stat the same?

[ionic marlin]

23 expertise on a weapon is the equivalent to 1.5 full red core, so it does make some difference

[eager grove]

190, not exactly but there's a 250k difference x_x

[uneven cove]

no but 16% is quite a bit, plus the expertise

[mild lantern]

hey looking for some help on how to make a proper build and i understand the recalibration mechanics and the importants matching brands however I am having a really hard time finding stuff that works with each other shoot me a dm if your down to help me out and also just talk smack

[hexed steppe]

with nego a lot of your damage comes from transfer. you should be able to hit decent number with it. you want to be close to crit cap of 60. vigilance like in video will hit a slightly higher number, but i personally use the nego bag for 100% transfer and run coyote. this is generally how i run, but i have a few different specializations saved in loadouts. gunner probably most beneficial to DPS

i think he was using fenris bag in video and that is additive with the red cores so better off with crit brands or coyote

best bet is to use the pinned spreadsheet instead of youtube 💯

[hazy steeple]

it's been a moment since anyone's posted a 'skillz build on here. Always good for a laugh.

[hexed steppe]

at least its workable. unlike some of the stuff that rolls through.
he's only hitting that 700k range on the top end of oblit. hes hitting in the 400k range when he starts cold. nego is a good set and worth building/using .

[eager grove]

Oh sorry if it's a bad build i'm kind of new, I just really liked the set of nego it feels good to transfer damage to other targets!

Thanks for the infos

[hexed steppe]

yeah its a solid set. you can transfer damage to immune stuff sometimes too 😉

[heavy hinge]

hello! Quick questionnnnn. I finish all the bosses in operation Iron Horse. but never got the project for any of the foundry pieces, is that outdated info?

[flint wave]

ur on discovery

[heavy hinge]

Thank you lol

[tidal valve]

We have the MPX, Vector SBR 45 ACP, Famas 2010, Police M4

[pearl carbon]

Hey anyone got the best one tap regulas build

[cosmic ferry]

Overthrow loot is OP damn

Overthrow wtf am I talking about. Countdown

[tidal valve]

ja

[cosmic ferry]

Can I get The Gift from Countdown or is it DZ only?

[tidal valve]

well google says this

[onyx sage]

the gift is dz and named cache exclusive

if you don't wanna go into dz just farm named caches, or just don't bother because it's not bis in any build

[cosmic ferry]

I'm using this

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=0d1135cf-139c-394e-53f6-02c1b8b4cea9&noteKey=2e477c029e8333d52b55d2d99eec4808&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2F0d1135cf-139c-394e-53f6-02c1b8b4cea9%2F2e477c029e8333d52b55d2d99eec4808&title=The%2BStandard%2BDPS%2BBuild%2B%2528TU19%2529

It wants Perfect Vigiliance on the backpack,

What's better than that for DPS?

[onyx sage]

can use contractor's gloves and grupo backpack instead

[trim fog]

I’ve kinda made a technician skill build with my drones and turret but the damage is t really high and not aggressive enough to chase down enemies

[torn ore]

Is ferocious calm still in one of the intake shops

[slate wedge]

you guys think intimidate +adrush will be great in pvp after the update drops

[cosmic ferry]

With Vigilance on Backpack still?

[onyx sage]

yes

[onyx sage]

idk but definitely in pve

[hexed steppe]

the only difference between regular and perfect vigilance is 1 second of downtime when hit. they both provide the same damage buff

[slate wedge]

oh yeah, that for sure

i have a regulus hazpro build with adrush/intimidate

[hushed gorge]

finally
like FINALYY!!!

[slate wedge]

nice, i'll gice you 86$ for it

[hoary atlas]

[hushed gorge]

🗿

[hushed gorge]

low crit chance and dmg

[slate narwhal]

Any good sheild builds for 2s and 3s?

or are they not needed?

[hushed gorge]

u have regulas?

[slate narwhal]

just hit 40 today. playing with wife and brother

[hushed gorge]

ow

then dont do sheild build

[slate narwhal]

Been playing sheild build this whole time. with them. never solo.

[hushed gorge]

what difficulty do u play on?

[slate narwhal]

just normal for now. we all hit 40 today.

[hushed gorge]

makes sense

[hushed gorge]

lvl 40 or SHD lvl 40?

[slate narwhal]

level 40 shd level 9

[hazy steeple]

Liberty is fine for a shield setup too, Regulus is just a better DPS choice.

[hoary atlas]

Casually use Zero F Chest

For survivability

Or extra Not want die

[slate narwhal]

ill look up where to get that. unless anyone has a better build to go.

[tidal valve]

liberty with bulwark is W

[slate narwhal]

easiest way to get Liberty

[hushed gorge]

u need blueprint

[slate narwhal]

okay I will look up how to get it.

any tips for what gear to get?

[tidal valve]

what kind of gear?

[hushed gorge]

he wants a sheild build

[hazy steeple]

DPS shield? Fastest one to make is a Hunters Fury w/Memento.

4pc HF, ceska chest, memento backpack. Use with crusader/firewall shield.

[unkempt dune]

Can you get matador backpack from countdown?

[slate narwhal]

If sheild isnt good anymore. ( we came from division 1) then what the bust build to work for at this point

[hushed gorge]

man, Busy Little Bee Grind was worth it.
that 20% dmg per stack

How's My build?

[onyx sage]

very good, just replace optimist with either strained or fast hands on famas and you're good to go for a striker obli build

even further improvements would be coyote's mask + ceska instead of grupo chest, still with obli

[hushed gorge]

cant change Famas 2010's Talent

[onyx sage]

farm a new one

[hushed gorge]

its hard to find a famas like this

[flint wave]

optimist better then strained

[onyx sage]

just put in the time

[hushed gorge]

I had to change the attribute

[onyx sage]

ideally for guns you want dttooc on them already

[onyx sage]

👎

[hushed gorge]

yes,thats y i changed that

so,i cant change the talent

[onyx sage]

yeah, so you want to find one with dttooc already

as i said, just farm again lol

[hushed gorge]

💀

another 4-5 hrs damn

[onyx sage]

you're under 1k, you haven't spent much time lol

[flint wave]

no

[hushed gorge]

alright

[flint wave]

roll with the optimist famas

[onyx sage]

you can use it for now

replace later

[flint wave]

the difference if there is any is unnoticabke

[onyx sage]

it is noticeable lmao

[flint wave]

on a spreadsheet

[onyx sage]

with expertise

[hushed gorge]

i got 4x bighorn then a Famas but a god rolled

[flint wave]

more to this game then microsoft excel

[onyx sage]

too bad the companion game to this game is microsoft excel

[hushed gorge]

i see almost 90% Famas Users either using Sadist (Bleed Build) or Optimist
those 90% players may be noob just like me