td2-build-advice

[shy willow]

Or hunters fury

Memento is a great piece for solo

[tawdry flare]

5.11 builds are the hardest

[shy willow]

Gogamer strikes again with the 5.11 shill

[pulsar star]

homie ion need all that i just need the 6 pieces i have everything i need i need n peice names

[hexed glen]

which gloves or mask should i run with memento/strikers? or is there better other gear?

[onyx sage]

there are multiple pvp builds lol

[shy willow]

¿

[onyx sage]

instead of writing an essay i'd just make you go read that guide instead

[pulsar star]

and i said armor dps😭

[shy willow]

Oxymoron

[onyx sage]

almost all pvp builds have armor and damage

lmao

just go read it

[shy willow]

Ceska chest with obliterate

[pulsar star]

brudda i have 2.2 w 34k pvp its shit

[shy willow]

Then 4 PC strikers everything rolled to crit chance/damage

[onyx sage]

then go read it

[pulsar star]

nvm 😭

[shy willow]

If you're not comfy with all red you can swap in some blues until you get comfy

[hexed glen]

thanks! I might try it out!

[shy willow]

If you get a nice one it'll fit into a lot of dps builds

[hexed glen]

nice. im just 130 shd lvl, hm armor should i aim for? 1,1-1,5?

[shy willow]

Run it with a blue (not counting memento) and see how you go

[hexed glen]

full blue?

[shy willow]

If you're still too squishy you can add another blue

Full blue you lose too much dps

[hexed glen]

i thought so.

[elder dagger]

which knee pads go well with striker if not foxes?

something with crit chc?

[hexed steppe]

I dont think ratios are that good of a measure for chc/chd.
Someone could interpret that as 25chc 50chd and think its good because its 1:2 ..
Its jus better to always shoot for cap chc (or coyote 50) then dump the rest into chd regardless of ratio.
Jmho

[onyx sage]

not the point, the point is to maintain this until you get to 60% chc

which by then, ideally you would have 120% chd

[hexed steppe]

Hard numbers mean a lot more.
Like the old 50/150 was better for explaining chc chd goals

[onyx sage]

it matters a bit when you have to choose between 2 ratios like 50/100 or 60/80, the former would win out, the 1:2 rule is a good rule of thumb to follow

[hexed glen]

how rare is the true sons mat for for example elmo optimization?

[onyx sage]

50/150 is a goal to hit, while 1:2 rule is something to stick to while you're working towards that goal. undoubtedly players will ask how you should set up crit before you can reach 50/150

[tawdry flare]

You can craft it and it drops from named true sons

[hexed glen]

how do i get that blueprint?

[tawdry flare]

Lvl3,4 cp

[hexed glen]

allright ty!

[slate wedge]

how good is the umbra-striker build in pvp?

[dim ocean]

what would be a good build on having tons of armor?

[young tide]

foxes knee still good for pve ?

[hazy steeple]

It depends on what the build is, but mostly yeah.

[topaz briar]

what is a good talent for an AR build on the vest?

[onyx sage]

obliterate

[hushed gorge]

man,this gun just shreds.

how bout 4pcs Hunters Fury Ouroborus build?

[topaz briar]

and for backpack?

[onyx sage]

if you're using striker, striker backpack

[topaz briar]

im not using striker

[onyx sage]

vigilance

[hazy steeple]

Actually it depends on what the other pieces are, if it's a gearset build or not.

Since it's a low range gun, Memento is an excellent choice too.

[topaz briar]

I take damage quite often so I dont know if thats actually the best

[onyx sage]

you can use a shield to block that damage, or just play well in cover

and yeah it does depend on the build

vigilance is just the highest damage option

[hazy steeple]

I've always liked Unstoppable Force, less average damage overall, but it's not lost if you get tagged.

[topaz briar]

yeah I like that more

[hazy steeple]

but first: what is the rest of your build made up of?

[topaz briar]

Im still building and just testing stuff out

[hexed steppe]

i like memento as a middle ground for a lot of builds. if you can utilize the efficiency and regen its a really solid choice

[hexed steppe]

quick question for those that use the artificer+shield . does the skill repair directly relate to how much shield is repaired or are there further calculations

[hollow pasture]

The efficiency is amazing once you notice
Especially on a shield
It's almost like some sorta artificial build progression as you collect trophies

I usually use it on my hb tech tank and that Shield health at max stacks is really noticeable

[hexed steppe]

ohhh yeah, efficiency is way overlooked.

i been really liking memento on this setup. but i frequently use it on nego as well.

[flint wave]

nice holster

[forest forum]

I like memento solo especially in dz

[hexed steppe]

6r 3y 1b setup

[gentle lichen]

Why not habs holster?

Or prov

[hexed steppe]

free skilltier

[gentle lichen]

T3 Car door with T2 artificer sounds like nothing is getting through it tho

[hexed steppe]

definitely not breaking on t4, w tier 3 artificer

im not too worried about the extra 15% hsd, im over 200% hsd on reg so opted for utility instead

[flint wave]

I doubt you would be missing any breakpoints

[hexed steppe]

im gonna run around with this for a few days and probably do the same with hhhf. getting easier to hit those headshots tho 💯

[gentle lichen]

I better train hhhf with shotguns

[flint wave]

hhhf?

[gentle lichen]

You only need 1 pellet to actually hit head to proc hh right?

[hexed steppe]

yeah

[gentle lichen]

Head hunter^2 fury

[flint wave]

real

[hexed steppe]

some start the chain with a dch pistol or white death on hhhf. i tried it out for a short time but i wasnt getting good chains at the time. was a skill issue so ill need some forced usage to get better at it ig

[onyx sage]

i will say i didn't like dch hhf before i gave it a serious try

it's just a breeze in open world now

if you use foam you can use it to stack dodge without having to swap off regulus

[sullen sun]

Need an opinion, which build kills faster?

In DZ

[tame crane]

Any advice?

Currently trying to get better Striker pieces, Get a chest with Obliterate, and trying to get DTTOOC on my Elmo.

[bronze hound]

youre better off physically testing the dps

[sullen sun]

Good point

[bronze hound]

id swap one chc to chd and thats it

[delicate wigeon]

What's the best way to level up?

[bronze hound]

you want ~50 chc with coyote

[bronze hound]

open world activities

[delicate wigeon]

Like control points?

[bronze hound]

like public executions and control points

[tame crane]

something like that? 🙂

[bronze hound]

ye

[tame crane]

what is the reason for wanting to have around 50% becuase of the Coyote?

[bronze hound]

read the coyote talent and youll see

[delicate wigeon]

Just did one and only got 200k, is this really the fastest? Would take another 3 just for 1 level

[bronze hound]

you can raise difficulty and add directives to make it quicker

[delicate wigeon]

This the highest difficulty I can do

[bronze hound]

you should work on getting a better build from countdown then youll be able to solo heroic

[delicate wigeon]

I have the strikers build from spread sheet

[bronze hound]

ah

[delicate wigeon]

But I can't survive, my shield gets basically 1 shot and I die soon after

[flint wave]

use cover

[delicate wigeon]

That's how I survive at challenging, but after this even cover I die quickly

[flint wave]

open world be like that

if your playing solo you can slot in memento and a few blue cores for a lot more survivability

[bronze hound]

wouldnt do more than 2 blue

[flint wave]

I upped my total blue core count to 4

so much bonus armor

[tame crane]

can I recalibrate a Ceska chest to get Obliterate on it or do I need to get one dropped?

[flint wave]

yes you can recalibrate if you didn't recal anything else

[delicate wigeon]

I tried all these suggestions but nothing works, so I'm completely stuck with how to get stronger

[flint wave]

if you're dieing with memento striker below legendary there's a big skill issue

[bronze hound]

mods i wasnt the one who said it

[delicate wigeon]

I can't use momento as I use cayote

[bronze hound]

swap off coyote for a striker mask then

[flint wave]

skill issue banned?

[delicate wigeon]

Won't work tho, ,y momento has bad stats and I would need to farm. For days to get a decent strikers mask

[bronze hound]

it doesnt have bad stats wdym

also yes this game is about farming

[flint wave]

Striker mask and gloves are on blueprints

[delicate wigeon]

Mine has 10% weapon damage
144738 armour
And 1 skill. Tier

It took ,e weeks to farm decent strikers gear, trying to farm 1 decent mask would take way longer

[bronze hound]

thats not bad

[flint wave]

What is decent striker gear to u

I assume ur recal library is empty

[delicate wigeon]

What it says on the spread sheet
CD and cc

[bronze hound]

?

[delicate wigeon]

My recal library is basically full

This is why I'm stuck. I have no idea what to balance, I maxed almost all of my cc and ch and im still only at 51.1 chc and 102.1 chd

[glad heart]

At SHD 75 you are going to be starved for CHC and CHD, and with Stiker, if you are going down so quickly you can't build stacks to bring your damage up. I suggest you take a different Tac, and run something that does not require stacking. After 4 years in this game, I would suggest that all "newish " playrs run an all red DPS high end build, and learn how to effectively use cover to stay alive. Just saying.

[delicate wigeon]

I'm following the build tons of people suggested

Idk what else to build :/

[glad heart]

Of course you are, but that does not mean it will work for you right now, to be fair. Try the standard All Red DPS build in the spreadsheet, and go from there. 3 piece providence, grupo/ceska, fox's prayer, and coyote (for now.) Don't depend on the shield so much learn to use cover, and not play as aggressive. You just get frustrated if you are going down all the time.

The exact numbers of the stats on this build is not as important as the having the right attributes... chc, chd, DTTOOC etc

Vigilance backpack, Unbreakable chest

[delicate wigeon]

What stats should I build for? Cos I do like my current damage, it's just not tank enough

[glad heart]

^^

[flint wave]

standard red build is worlds harder to farm

[glad heart]

Naw not hard to farm. I take newish players into the summit, and they leave with an all red dps build may take several hours of boring floors, but it works

[delicate wigeon]

Why summit? Farm countdown

[glad heart]

Gearsets are easier to farm, I agree, but Striker takes skill to get stacks and MAINTAIN them....

[flint wave]

Just shoot the enemy

What's hard about that

[glad heart]

Summit you don't need 8 players, and I consider countdown a cluster f*** everytime I have run it... countless...

[flint wave]

You can solo challenging countdown

as long as you don't get admin as final obj

[delicate wigeon]

I can't, the second I see a hunter I die instantly

[glad heart]

Ok, you go ahead and solo countdown, but I can and do solo summit, heroic, legendary gets a bit tough though

[flint wave]

I wouldn't recommend soloing above hard countdown for the average player it was just a possibility measurement

[glad heart]

You need scorpio for hunters, but that is IF you can funnel them through a narrow opening

[flint wave]

You can easily 4 man a challenging countdown I bet

[delicate wigeon]

I do challenging countdown and get carried

[glad heart]

Countdown challenging is Challenging + 1 or 2,,, not the same

I would help you out jjwardy, but PC and PS don't mix...

[sullen sun]

Can I get away w this

[onyx sage]

it's just ever so slightly worse than striker with bp and grupo elsewhere

oh wait i didn't look close enough, obliterate chest would be better

[sullen sun]

Yeah I have a variation w obl

[sullen sun]

Spotter and Obliterate arent equal dmg output?

[onyx sage]

no, spotter is 15% constant, obliterate requires 25 crit shots but gives 25% at max stacks, and can be maintained

with vigilance backpack it would be a 20% equivalent increase instead but still higher than 15%

[sullen sun]

Spotter right?

[onyx sage]

15% is spotter yeah

so obli would be better

[delicate wigeon]

What's a good weapon I could use for general damage? Exotic or normal

[cursive gull]

Question, should I bother running the 200 stack striker if I'm using an AR and SMG? Currently doing that with contractor gloves and coyote

[hazy steeple]

the Striker chest is really only useful in modes with tankier enemies, so things like Legendary/Incursion/(sometimes)Countdown, etc.
Outside of that, you're far better off with a ceska chest w/obliterate and Coyotes.

[sacred raven]

obliterate buffed on pts right ?

[hazy steeple]

The PTS chat is over in the #1184907459035406467 section, but no idea if it was, seems silly as it's already the default choice for most DPS setups.

[hushed gorge]

yeap

the duration is now 10 sec

[noble meadow]

Crafted 200+ pcs of Habsburg Chests at the craft station with 1000+ Habsburg material used, and as expected, found none with the perfect combo (HS dmg + Handling + Headhunter. The best I found is hs dmg + *health * + headhunter)

Contractor's Glove actually does more dmg than Airaldi glove with 2-pcs effects, which is interesting given that the contractor's brand effect is nothing to do with the sniper.

[flint wave]

This chest piece is such a waste of time

Chainkiller does better then any brand combo on the second shot. Which are very real problems for people building hh stacks

[vestal ibex]

But doing a crazy amount of top damage makes it a better sniper build. /s

[flint wave]

me when I'm in an overkill competition and my opponent is a 2 habs 1 airaldi 3 hotshot vigilance user

[round zinc]

The striker chest player:

[bronze hound]

Striker chest with bloody knuckles

[flint wave]

Striker chest with regulus dch

[magic pilot]

Get habs bp and run hotshot knees

That will do more dmg

[devout iris]

Any builds that combines the new back pack with the collector here?

[hushed gorge]

not my build but is this good for PvP?

i am gonna use Ninjabike Messenger Backpack and Sokolov with unbreakable and Groupo

will it be good?

[urban latch]

A lot of what makes HF good are the multiple on kill effects it has, which are far less effective in pvp, and same with memento.

Which is largely why most pvp builds are high end builds

[thin patrol]

Play on a difficulty level that you are comfortable with.

[tame crane]

Could this work? Ran so many countdowns in order to get Obliterate Ceska, if I recall status effect to chc, could I then optimize the attributes?

Not too experienced with the workbench yet so not sure if I can do that?

[thin patrol]

yes

[tame crane]

Is it also possible to optimize the attributes as many times as I would like to? I do not have max CHC in my library as of now, can I go back to it later once I have better CHC and optimize again?

[fallen comet]

Currently you can optimize it until it maxes out. Howevery once project resolve launches in February you'll only be able to optimize until what you have your library

[hexed steppe]

Did you add the chc onto that piece originally , but not a max roll?
If so it's better to wait until you do get a max roll it can be recal again with the max.
You can optimize whatever but its expensive and optimizing locks in the attribute being optimized. No changes can happen to the optimized slot after that point

[hollow pasture]

Lol luck is on my side those rolls

Finally rng blessing me

Also I just noticed the description
Made me laugh a bit wasn't expecting that

[hollow pasture]

Okay but this is kinda fun with collector tbh

[hexed steppe]

Seriously 🤔
That's messed up...

[tame crane]

what should I run for now? Should I take the Oro over Elmo eventhough I got Stability roll on it?

[patent fossil]

Elmo for longer range builds/playstyles, Oreo at short ranges. Both can be reconfigured to change their third stat if you have the materials

[tame crane]

yeah I have been rerolling my Elmo for ages to get DTTOOC

I guess I will keep both in my inventory and maybe switch depending on what I am planning on doing 😄

and get the exotic components for rerolls

[devout iris]

lucky you, mine got skill damage and headshot damage

[brisk barn]

Isn’t optimisation a bit pricy tho? By the time you have the mats to max everything you probably also have the max library

[hollow pasture]

The more you optimise it yea

It gets pricey

Not really worth to optimise a very bad rolled piece

[hexed steppe]

Not the point. You should be ble to max items even if lacking in the library. It's a heavy cost and should at least be rewarding

project ramshackle

[brisk barn]

Gah game is too hard! Time to go play Warframe
-Steam comment I read

[hexed steppe]

That type of change only hurts new agents

[brisk barn]

Well as far as I’ve seen, I started about 3 weeks ago and I have yet the need to optimise my gear and half my library is maxed

[glossy scarab]

3 weeks is nowhere near enough time to have optimized gear

[hexed steppe]

That's great. I got like 6k+ hrs in at this point

[hollow pasture]

Optimise is really for when you are close to a max attribute

You don't go out of ur way to max a god awful low roll as you'll be out of mats very quickly

[brisk barn]

That’s exactly my point, newer players shouldn’t be optimising that much anyway

[hollow pasture]

They shouldn't because they don't have the mats for it

[hexed steppe]

If they close to max roll after this change they wont be able to till they have max library

[hollow pasture]

Only optimise as the last "piece" of ur build

[hexed steppe]

I bet there are more bugs introduced while they "fix" other stuff

[hollow pasture]

That's inherent with game development

And especially with massive

[hexed steppe]

Its kinda counter productive to make changes while fixing bugs tho. They should be more worried about getting the broken things fixed then rebalance after that point.

Jmho

[brisk barn]

That’s a whole argument against live service games, bug fixes naturally have to come with updates at some point

[tame crane]

what is better in that scenario when running a 4p striker? Do I take more % critical hit damage over weapon damage?

[patent fossil]

test both and see which gives bigger numbers

[hexed steppe]

They can separate the 2. And drop them at different times. Its not like there hasnt been time in the last couple years

[brisk barn]

You can say that for a lot of games, like League of Legends for example, there are still bugs inherent in the game from 2011

[hexed steppe]

And?
I'm talking this game...

[tame crane]

whats the best way to test? 🙂

[brisk barn]

As for Div 2, since it’s a game that’s 5 years old and Ubisoft has other games, there’s probably product bias and less developers working on it from when it was first released

[hollow pasture]

They want to drop this big update with a season at launch it makes sense for player numbers and more people playing at once

They also won't have a season without new gear lol their pass sales would tank

Smth they definitely DO not want

[patent fossil]

in range just look at the damage on a crit and the damage on a non-crit, then compare (damage when crit x crit chance) + (damage when non-crit * 1-crit chance) for each option and see which gives higher number

with crit chance as a fraction eg 0.6 for 60%

[hollow pasture]

Has to be for proficiency surely

[glossy scarab]

Being able to see a shd level would help me try to understand

[hexed steppe]

They could drop any type of stability/bugfix focused update before this season ends... then a balance pass with the new season... the history with updates isnt that good with lots of game breaking things happening... sure would put a damper on things if it happened when they were trying to sell a season pass to returning players...

[hollow pasture]

It's on the bottom right

[hollow pasture]

At the end of the day unless the update breaks before launch and they have to delay they won't

And like we have no idea how this update will look post phase 2 tbh

The only things I don't want in the live game are the PVE lock
And id like more buffs of significance to underperforming weapons

[hexed steppe]

I'll be here with the 🍿 when this shtshow drops

[glossy scarab]

So stupid. Selective vision

[hollow pasture]

We all have moments

[pearl carbon]

What the best armor on kill build

[tawdry flare]

New maintenance ? 🍺

[hexed steppe]

Nah, just project ramshackle BS

[tawdry flare]

Ohhhh lol where is my 🍿

[hexed steppe]

I'll send it out at the beginning of next season. Right now all I got is salt 🧂

[tawdry flare]

Fresh salt on Fresh Wounds

[hollow pasture]

Wasn't this issue fixed before
Why are rogues not scaling to heroic and dropping purples

(again)

[hexed steppe]

Because nothing ever gets fixed...

But sounds like a great time to pile on whole host of changes

[hollow pasture]

Nah it was fixed for a while that I know
Guess it was the maintenance that went wrong few weeks back

[pearl carbon]

Does anyone have a good sniper build?

1 tap preferred

[glossy scarab]

3 hotshot, 2 Habsburg, 1 arialdi

[vestal ibex]

Use a chainkiller chest and put on 4 pc hotshot, your final part could be a bunch of things but this will work for most solo heroic stuff.

The "sniper build" is more simple and works much easier than most will say and there is not exactly a "best" just harder to farm versions that'll do more top damage.

[patent fossil]

It seems to be inconsistent, some days I meet properly scaled rogues in open world, other days they're back to being super weak

[vestal ibex]

Same.

[hollow pasture]

Weird issue

[patent fossil]

Wasn't fixed in the PTS either

[hollow pasture]

We need a project resolve for project resolve at this point

[vestal ibex]

I think it has something to do with exiting a safe house and them spawning. Usually if I'm out in the world and they spawn or after a CP they feel heroic but if I exit a safe house after a fast travel they are normal diff.

[hollow pasture]

The times they've been not scaled has been just in the open world so maybe

Haven't had rogues in a cp in a bit

[vestal ibex]

Currently I'm peoples revive hive-kick aka shepherding so I've been doing lots of CPs recently.

[pearl carbon]

What do I want on a sniper and what sniper

Thanks by the way

[glossy scarab]

White death. But in the future m700 might be the best

[hollow pasture]

White death, nemesis
Don't really need a damage talent on it built right
Future perfect, reformation, preservation are good choices

Future perfect plus decoy is pretty good

Reformation more if you run a heal Chem

Mantis next season will be very good aswell don't sleep on that

[glossy scarab]

Mantis was just about as powerful as m700 in pts. They were close

Nemesis w dtoc hit me 63 mil

[hollow pasture]

Yes mantis my beloved will probably be my main with model 700
Will probably be used depending on how I feel on a daily basis

[glossy scarab]

But mantis and m700 it's in the 33 mil range

They'll probably adjust all of this though

[vestal ibex]

Sounded like first and second shot weren't too sniper build altering tho.

[hollow pasture]

Dread got a buff too but that's more for spam damage than outright max damage

[vestal ibex]

The best thing about higher damage is that you don't have to spec as much damage and take QOL talents and rolls on your gear.

[urban latch]

I think we are going to be able to crack chungas on Morozova with HE MMRs now which would be a pretty significant change

And that's with a stability build

[vestal ibex]

Determined HH for boss 4 then? Would make gambling much easier.

[urban latch]

Yep exactly...

[forest forum]

Interested in feedback on weapon handling compared to crit hit chance. Specifically for accuracy, does it not make all that much difference?
Or is that for using something like sharpshooter and marksman rifle? TIA

[tawdry flare]

You will always pop head or helmet

[vestal ibex]

Pretty much any HSD builds. MMR, pistol, rifle.

[tawdry flare]

Btw 30mil on headshot is pretty busted

[vestal ibex]

That's the point. Gambling is where you take a shot at the chunga in the train car before the door opens but before his spawn is perfectly fixed which can lead to cracking the wrong part.

[tawdry flare]

With he

[forest forum]

What is HSD builds?

[vestal ibex]

Head shot damage.

[forest forum]

Oh okay thx again

[pearl carbon]

So the mantis is good?

[tawdry flare]

In PTS it is crazy good in the live game it is an okay weapon

[urban latch]

Imo determined is so broken that the mantis still doesn't have much point to it

[pearl carbon]

It's as in next update?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah lol especially in legendary

[vestal ibex]

Don't worry about this "next update" stuff.

[tawdry flare]

You can nearly solo legendary except for the dogs

[pearl carbon]

So I should run white death over mantis

[tawdry flare]

Definitely with determined but run the MMR without determined first to make your aim a but good

[vestal ibex]

Try all the options is my advice. Determined is broken af and super cheesy but hey I'll use it sometimes just to be lazy.

[pearl carbon]

What's determined

[vestal ibex]

Sniper/rifle talent.

[pearl carbon]

What does it do

[tawdry flare]

The talent that xounts body shot as headshot after a headshot kill

[pearl carbon]

Ooooh Dam that's crazy

I will go for it

[hexed steppe]

Are they gonna address determined in project ramshackle ?

[tawdry flare]

Project 5.11?

[pearl carbon]

Is mmr scope only

[hexed steppe]

No

Scopes are preferred because of the hsd bonus

[vestal ibex]

The scope that you gain from Sharpshooter is super gud because it's 45% HSD bonus and it's a nice reticule and zoom level.

[hollow pasture]

Found my mechanical Animal that's one crossed off the list ✅

[half radish]

guys i need a good damage build im really bad at doing builds even youtube ones xD plz dm me and help em so i can do raids and some fun pvp plzzzzzzzz

[fickle light]

pinned in this channel there is a spreadsheet of builds (and other useful stuff) that is up to date. Follow whichever guide you want and it should work out fine

[wise swallow]

PVP and raid builds are 2 entirely different things

just so ya know

[half radish]

i figured 😛 would you be able to send me your fav ones ? 🙂

[fickle light]

for PVE, the current easiest to put together & use is probably the striker build

[wise swallow]

PVP wise. Haz pro is useless in a team (cavalier make personal haz pro irrelavent from what i gather). headshot builds are just outclassed by crit. striker is the only build i use now.
4 piece striker with backpack. obliterate ceska chest. picaro's holster. all crit chance and crit damage. if people are being annoying with elmo, switch yaahl chest, shocker punch holster.

obviously aim for heads regardless if you have HS damage or not

Eagle + rock and roll. fire Sticky and decoy or whatever you want

i use crusader cuz it saves my ass sometimes (rarely)

[magic pilot]

Picaros isn't worth using on a crit striker build btw

[wise swallow]

What else

Fenris sure if your not at Crit cap

If you are it’s stronger then fenris

Headshot (prov) isn’t worth either

What else would you use

[blissful rampart]

iirc if running elmo, you can flex the last slot into Picaros (so 4 strikers, ceska + 1 fox/ pic/ contractors) because you dont need chc roll on last slot, but if not running elmo, then those 3 are dps loss since lacking chc.

[south dune]

Create a build from experience.😂😁

[wise swallow]

You don’t need the CHC with EB

I get 58~

If your in a team with coyote you could go even lower

Idk I like pic, don’t see the need for other brand

I’d assume foxes or contract is basically the same DPS wise

[slate wedge]

i see 3 damage type builds: high end, umbra and striker

[wise swallow]

Blue to red ratio is entirely up to you

I like 5 blue

4 blue if I have a tradi player

You can use unbreakable aswell but I don’t see the point

[blissful rampart]

you 100% still need the chc rolls with EB. (ie no pic/ fox)

eb without giving up chd rolls you are at 36 chc with picaro (so its a dps loss) assuming solo play no coyotes (ceska other slot)

but even with coyotes, you are often in cqb so get short buff not mid/ long (so need that chc roll that you lose from pic)

even if you get mid buff, thats still only 46% chc so dps loss still

[wise swallow]

When I tested DPS was slightly lower but had higher reds (lower Crits ofc) so I chose having higher red but lower crit. I’ll retest at some point

That’s using all CHC mod slots

Or 2 CHC and 1 CHD + CHC on pic

Doesn’t matter all the same

I feel like I forgot something I’ll double check when I get home

[blissful rampart]

without seeing how you tested, hard to say were you messed up tbh.

but if tested correctly it would show lower overall dps with using picaro, then without (in above build of course)

[magic pilot]

With striker you still need the chc roll wdym

[hexed steppe]

with ceska^^

but yeah if you wanted to ride max w/o coyote you would need 1 more

[magic pilot]

2 chc rolls and ceska on striker Elmo is 52% chc

[hexed steppe]

those 2 rolls are assumed

[magic pilot]

He just said striker and fox

With ceska

[hexed steppe]

yeah, well i agree in 1 more needed

[magic pilot]

Ceska/grupo would be higher dps

Think Azur was thinking of nego

Nego you can use ceska/ fox with Elmo

[wise swallow]

it is lower overall DPS

higher red dmg lower crit

[blissful rampart]

no i was thinking with strikers, been a bit since i double checked Elmo strikers with ceska and (say Pic last slot) good to know

[wise swallow]

they dont balance eachother out so having no pic is better then having pic in a DPS sense

[blissful rampart]

hu?

dont seperate them, need to do it as 1 damage output to find your average.

[wise swallow]

im saying your right

[blissful rampart]

so TLDR: strikers with EB
Pic = lower dps because of lack of chc roll.
no pic = higher dps, because gain that lost chc roll.

[wise swallow]

yes

[blissful rampart]

you sounded above like "you didnt agree with it"

[urban latch]

Are you just saying you had higher weapon damage (red) bit lower crit chance/damage (crit)?

[wise swallow]

personally i would want higher guaranteed DMG over higher on paper DPS but why make a crit build if you want higher reds

[urban latch]

Or by reds do you mean headshot damage?

[wise swallow]

headshot dmg

[urban latch]

So are you just comparing headshot non crits vs headshot crits and seeing which is higher?

[wise swallow]

seeing if the 2 balance eachother out yes. (seeing if headshot non crits are high enough to warrant lower crits)

its flawed and DPS is a better way of looking at it

but i still like to consider it

[urban latch]

First off I'd compare body shots, not headshots. The way your comparing headshots is going to strongly favor non-crits in an unrealistic way, effectively assuming you only ever hit headshots.

Use the DPS calc that's pinned in azurs spreadsheet pin to make sure your comparing DPS of both crits and non crits, it will be much more accurate than what your doing now since that can really mislead you.

[wise swallow]

i did

thats what made me say azur is right

[wise swallow]

idk, when you aiming for heads 99% of the aim i dont think its realistic to only compare body shots. kinda hard to compare the 2 when headshots are what your going for the entire time

[vagrant pollen]

How do i get these?

[junior surge]

You can craft them, or kill true sons named bosses

[forest forum]

Is there an overlord armaments bag?

Can't seem to get one in CD just wondering

[onyx sage]

there is

[forest forum]

Okay great thx! Bad luck then!

Ughh, didn't it have my target loot set on it! 🤦‍♂️ now that's just sad lol yet CD was still giving me other overlord armaments. That's crazy.

[sullen sun]

Anyone got an armor regen build for DZ they want to share?

[fresh grove]

Here's my loadout

[topaz briar]

guys I watched a video that showed a st elmos striker build and he somehow has 93k armor on kill even tho he has no mod or attribute that adds that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oZhKgbVafA
this is the video

[onyx sage]

gunner gives 10%

[topaz briar]

oh

I unlock it by following the field research right?

[onyx sage]

yes

[hazy steeple]

@topaz briar You actually want Ceska on the chest instead of Fenris, since the "10% ar damage" from Fenris scales off pre-red core damage, it's actually only like a 2-3% buff.
tl;dr ceska better for chest, Obliterate is good.

With that setup, as of right now you probably have the strongest DPS setup ingame, although which gun you use as a primary can vary that a little.

[topaz briar]

what does tl:dr mean?

[hazy steeple]

too long, didn't read. I was supposed to put it at the end of the paragraph, but you get what you pay for :p

You can also have your chc (crit chance) at slightly higher than 50% to compensate for messing up the range, but don't go under 50 or over 55.

[topaz briar]

I dont even have the mask

is there another way to umlock gunner?

like I have technician without completing the field research

[hazy steeple]

Just do the challenges, you can have them all done in a few hours if you just go ahead and focus on them.
Just make sure it's active once you have it unlocked to level it up.

You can also just not use Gunner, its only real purpose is the 10% armour on kill (AoK)

[topaz briar]

and I need that 10% xD

[hazy steeple]

Firewall is good otherwise for its damage buff shield, Technician is fine too for a free Skill Tier on your shield. Etc.
You should focus on trying to get Coyotes Mask, it's very useful on a lot of builds.
Countdown: targeted loot [masks], challenging or heroic, then buy the exotic caches from the vendor every 2-3 runs will be your best way to get it. Also ask teams, most people have it already.

Apologies for the info dump, let me know if it's confusing.

[topaz briar]

nah why should it be confusing?

I have this game since like 2 or 3 years and sometimes I play because there arent many good other games out there rn

[amber bay]

How to get yaahl gear

[hazy steeple]

Yaahl is "DZ locked", so you'll either need to obtain it from the DZ itself, conflict, very occasionally the clan vendor, and "craft random brand" at the Crafting Table has 3 yaahl pieces in its pool, but its a very big crafting pool.

[tender whale]

What should I do for an umbra build?

[dreamy valve]

What do you want to do with it

[brisk glacier]

Is the firewall shield really worth that much on a striker build? Only reason I ask is its pretty close range and pretty fragile

[onyx sage]

yes, because the damage boost it gives is very strong

and for close range you have some builds that will be very comfortable living within that range

[brisk glacier]

Yeah I have one of those builds, my striker one is kinda squishy though

[onyx sage]

striker without proper setup at close range is squishy yeah, unless it's a blue variant

usually people play hunter's fury with it

[hazy steeple]

My personal preference for the Spec Tree w/Striker is Demo, because I have teammates who like to set off barrels near me.
but Gunner is the overall best choice due to the free AoK.

[onyx sage]

it's basically, sure you may be squishy, but you're killing faster than you die

[brisk glacier]

Ahh yeah makes sense

And yeah the aok is why I run gunner. That and the rof

[fresh grove]

I was wondering what’s a better gear set, Striker or Negotiators?

[junior surge]

Depends on what you want to use it for

[mild echo]

hey guys, new player here, been playing for a little under a month but i've made attempts at two builds. one was a providence crit build with 51.7% crit chance, 119.3% crit hit damage, and 63.9% all weapons damage bonus, but it underperforms compared to other builds and even against builds with lesser flat number stats. currently im running a striker wpn dmg bonus build (30.8% crit chance, 79.2 crit dmg, 90.7% wpn dmg bonus) with memento and a single piece of ceska and it's performing much better than the providence crit build. am i missing something or is it a skrill issue?

[junior surge]

Striker with memento is imo the much stronger (more forgiving) build for general solo play. Red High end builds are good too, but it sounds like yours didn't have the highest rolls (120% chd on full high end is somewhat low). On high end builds the chest and backpack talents also matter a lot, so if you didn't have good talents on those pieces, it wouod have felt weak.

[mild echo]

ohh the talents make sense, i hardly paid attention to it and focused on getting better attributes. yeah mine didn't have the highest rolls and often i just tried to max out one attribute through recalibration, then keep grinding for better rolls. a big thing im struggling on is whether or not to get the chamelon or stick with my glory daze though but im guessing that part falls under personal preference

[junior surge]

Yea, when you're just starting out and don't have very high rolls on stuff, it's difficult to compare builds. But strikers just scales really well, it's decent with low rolls and just gets better as you refine it. Memento is also and awesome choice since it gives you damage and versatility, very useful for solo play especially. Memento tends to fall off in groups because you don't get as many kills. Some of the end game activities like raids also don't favour memento because there isn't as many ads for every player to kill as there is in a regular mission. That's where high end builds start to shine. They're not as versatile, but with a big team, that often also includes a healer and possibly a tank, you only need to focus on dealing damage and survivability becomes less of a focus.

[mild echo]

i don't regularly play in groups so it's not a big issue for me, but im sure im satisfied as long as i get the illusion of being useful with damage even though i can't make full use of the memento's talents xd. i really like the striker's damage stacking too, so memento not being all that favourable to certain endgame activities isn't a big obstacle

[fresh grove]

Ok

[cursive gull]

hey whats the best high end pistol to run just as a general slot-in for builds

[fallen comet]

TDI kard custom i'd say

[true obsidian]

do I need 10% Pulse Resist or this is already enough to counter Technician's Pulse Laser Sight?

[gentle lichen]

9.6% and higher should make you pretty much immune to any damage amplifier concerning pulse (flatline/spotter)

[vivid idol]

i'm reading the spreadsheet, on the source column, what does LZ mean?

[urban latch]

It's basically a div1 term that's not used by many people anymore for "light zone", aka anything that isn't the dz

[sullen sun]

Anyone got an armor regen build for DZ?

[urban latch]

2 golan, 1p belstone, emperor's knees will get you 3% with 2 spots open to fill it out how you'd like

[broken pewter]

guys quick question, for a tank build what you consider better: 3% armor regen + 60% PFE vs 2% armor regen + 72% PFE vs 1% armor regen + 80% PFE

(all 3 builds are tank builds, not just some red build that wants some PFE por fun, its a solid tank build with pistol and shield)

[lethal trellis]

@broken pewter in mathematically (100-PFE)/regen% = recovery time, in practice I prefer more regen coz red and purple enemy exists, also memento is good companion coz it provide bonus armor and extra regen

[hexed steppe]

Need kills for memento to work. Tank builds will be slow to charge it

[gentle lichen]

Ad rush bag miles better

Or galvanise/protector

[vestal ibex]

I just look at the purpose for a tank build and that shows if it's effective, so what's the purpose of the tank here?

[rich lotus]

For a high end build, is it ok to sacrifice 30k less damage, to add in more survivability? so for example if my average dps is 730k, but if I add a armor core, it drops to 700k.

[fallen comet]

We kinda need to know the build itself

[broken pewter]

The Logic here is to go 1 piece belstone, 1 piece golan and the 1% amor murakami kneepads, ninjabike backpack and improvisad holster and glove. Atributes chc and chd on everything with all Blues cores. The ninja backpack Will ensure i get a tier 2 artíficer hive, 3% amor regen and bônus 20% repair skills while having 60% pfe. This is obviously a Liberty + shield build.

On the other end i can just out a chill out mask therefore going to 72% pfe and dropping to 2% amor regen and maintain everything the same.

The last One well i drop the kneepads and make a improvised holster making me go to 80% pfe. and on this One i can dump the ninjabackpack since i wont Benefit from it and add something else there but i'll have ONLY 1% armor regen

Dont know if i was clear but yeah this is the Logic, now Im just undecided

Memento could work on the last One + changing the improvised gear atributes to like repair skills and headshot damage, dump the Liberty pistola and go regulus

Im a genius at RAW tank builds jesus

[vestal ibex]

Rip that after action report.

[tawdry flare]

You didn't put your heart and soul reading that?

[forest forum]

I would suggest trying out your ideas and see what works best etc. Especially when it comes to ninjabike messenger bag. Some just don't think too kindly of it some reason. Others, well they aren't really here to give advice.

[broken pewter]

I only do tank pistol builds, i dont like to play anything else

But i d thank for advice anyway

[urban latch]

The reason is #1 backpack talents are very valuable, giving that up is huge
#2 the bonuses you get from it just aren't worth it

[forest forum]

I'm sorry I couldn't be more help I don't know much on tank builds but definitely try out your ideas. Might just surprise yourself. Ignore the ones who aren't there to help or educate so you can better understand builds. Sometimes we gotta figure it out ourselves because they rather make fun of you than anything else unfortunately they pick and choose too..

[broken pewter]

The game should actually have a place where u could test builds Before even going to farm them

[forest forum]

Yeah be cool if descent had that option

[hexed steppe]

good thing there is a pretty good resource where a number of people have verified the builds.. its the spreadsheet pinned to this channel 🤔

[broken pewter]

What builds they have verified? I have the spreadsheet and the build simulator

But its not only about the numbers, gotta test it on the pratically

[hexed steppe]

every one in the sheet has been used/tested

[vestal ibex]

Tank builds are typically purpose built in this game to accomplish a task. Normal gameplay is extremely hindered using one to clear normal content in the game.

[forest forum]

Idk why you feel you gotta explain to me about a tank build, I wasn't the one asking. Help asher who came for advice.

[vestal ibex]

That guy didn't come here for advice. He wanted some opinions.

[forest forum]

Smh...

Okay so why you gotta be ugly about it. There's better ways to give an opinion.

[vestal ibex]

I wasn't ugly about anything.

[forest forum]

Right... <--

[hexed steppe]

🍿

[forest forum]

Rip that

[vestal ibex]

I kinda remember this guy being angry about something before...

[hexed steppe]

there seems to be a higher frequency of people being over sensitive about a game lately... IDK, i just keep the popcorn warm... seems to be a steady supply of salt

[tawdry flare]

5.11 6pcs bonus +511% 🧂

[urban latch]

It ultimately depends what your using it for. Imo over investing in pfe isn't generally worth it, but there are situations where that's the main thing that matters.

[forest forum]

Have fun at it. I'm not going to leave someone hanging when this was supposed to be a helpful more useful perhaps positive place for everyone* to free feel to get advice or ask for advice, ideas, opinions etc.

[vestal ibex]

I should buy some popcorn at the store today. I haven't had any in a while. I hate the stuff getting stuck in my teeth which is probably why.

[tawdry flare]

Lol buy for me and eat it 😂😂

[hexed steppe]

there is always knowledge to be gained... sometimes that knowledge is why specific pieces may not be worth it, or why specific setups might not be worth it... it is what it is... if someone feels like running subpar gear, its perfectly fine... but generally the community here will be pushing known good setups and give advice based on making a build strongest/perform best.

[hollow pasture]

learn the game and run the builds you find fun

the end

[mild echo]

i mean to learn the game you gotta have a build that works first

[hollow pasture]

run striker then move on to quirky builds

[vestal ibex]

Me doing backup calls and seeing 3k SHD people with 5 pc strikers....

[hollow pasture]

maybe they forgot who knows

[hexed steppe]

man backups been weird this week

[hollow pasture]

misplaced a piece and didnt notice

[vestal ibex]

I tried asking cause I thought that was the case...

[hollow pasture]

you find the weirder builds in countdown lol

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but I get those, you get a lot of kills in countdown so you'll proficiency things in like 10ish matches. Makes sense.

[tawdry flare]

You have seen me with 6pcs 5.11

[hollow pasture]

seek therapy

[tawdry flare]

Do they they offer one with 5.11

[hexed steppe]

did mechanical animal get a boost in the pts rebalance?

[blissful rampart]

the talent yes, the gun type no

[hollow pasture]

if the gun gets buffed tho oh man 😍

you know i was testing hotshot 4 piece with a model 700 with optimist i got and because of how hotshot works on headshots you basically cant get max optimist stacks unless you miss on purpose

somewhat interesting

[tulip charm]

quite the catch 22

[cyan drift]

countdown vendor this week

DZ exclusive otherwise

[fallen comet]

am i crazy or was this also being sold last week?

[cyan drift]

I don't think so

[hollow pasture]

It wasn't

Maybe anarchists I'm not sure

[cyan drift]

you know what HAS been sold for two weeks in a row though

[fallen comet]

was just about to say that

[hollow pasture]

Oh yea

They really want us to go commando

[round zinc]

What happened with it?

[onyx sage]

max bonus skill tiers is now 4

[round zinc]

Thats…

Pretty cool actually

Hybridbros are we back yet

[hollow pasture]

Probably yea

[vivid idol]

what's the best sniper to 1 or 2 headshot legendary chungus

[vestal ibex]

You've gotta break their helm first so it'll always be 2 shot.

Nem on the follow up shot imo

[vivid idol]

i tried my mantis and still can't pass the challenging chungus with my hotshot and mantis

[vestal ibex]

Mantis isn't going to cut it for lego chungas.

Tac or nem are probably the only things to kill a chunga without stacks after a helm break.

[vivid idol]

so the gear build still the same? 3 hotshot, chainkiller, fox prayer and airhalding backpack?

[vestal ibex]

This solo legendary or group? Stats/rolls/watch level/expertise might come into play depending on the scaling.

[vivid idol]

solo

well at least i just want to use heroic global setting as default one day

[vestal ibex]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQ-OZyQRHd6TskSbeE9tn2jMdn9eLIe9Fsm5CjD7A_EUwUKPdo_VO_ug7aOMdH3hhnw0pE8GGs_LnPl/pubhtml

So this is enemy health and you can look at your first shot/second shot/max stacks damage and figure out where you fit in with your build setup. You can just see your numbers in the shooting range and just check them with open world to verify if you want.

[vivid idol]

Well I'm still at shd level 111

[lucid shore]

I haven't played this game truly in a long time so sorry if this sounds stupid. but is the shd watch the only way to get higher weapon damage and armor without expertise?

[cursive gull]

should i use the 9mm vector or the .45 ACP vector as a secondary?

[hazy steeple]

As always, it depends on the build and what it requires, if anything specific.

[cursive gull]

its a striker build accompanying elmo's

usually will run it with ceska setup

[hazy steeple]

Vector really isn't an amazing choice for strikers, it has to reload too often to keep the stacks built up.
But I guess if you really want to, the 45 acp has slightly better handling stats for more consistently hitting enemies.

[cursive gull]

thing is with it i dont like running shotguns with strikers and prefer SMGs for it

[gentle lichen]

Right does the m870 stack 8 stacks with striker or just 1?

[cursive gull]

its per-pellet basis

[hazy steeple]

The pellet thing is exactly why ACS is usually recommended, since each shot counts as 8 stacks.

And with 20 rounds per reload, that's more than enough to hit cap/80% of the way there with the striker chest.

[cursive gull]

i just feel i have to get too close with shotties and LMGs take too long to reload

[gentle lichen]

Easily fixed with fast hands

It's just the issue that lmgs suppress

Can't hit a target you can't see right?

[hazy steeple]

Vector has an optimal range of 15m, ACS has 14m.
You actually are about the same distance.

[cursive gull]

i meant more recoil wise

[gentle lichen]

It has recoil?

[hazy steeple]

Vector has worse recoil than ACS, by quite a lot. It kicks like a mule.
on PC it's easy enough to just move the mouse down a bit as you're firing though.

Actually what helped me out back in the day for aiming online, is that if you aim for the upperbody/neck and a gun's kick will naturally settle it on the head. Then as your aim improves, you can slowly adjust until you can headshot more frequently.

[cursive gull]

i do play on PC, i just feel the ACS recoil is sudden and weird like going down or to the side, vector for me doesnt have any issues

[gentle lichen]

You may wanna use recoil to your advantage actually. Make it kick until it reaches head then stabilise it

[hazy steeple]

I guess you could throw the Stabilize Talent on there if you really are having trouble managing the recoil, but yeah it's just something you get used to after a while in div2.

[pearl carbon]

How good is the eagle vearer

Pvp and pve

[round zinc]

Currently it sucks in pve and ok in pvp

Next season its gonna be pretty good in pve,dunno bout pvp

[grand fractal]

sorry I'm just coming back to the game, how can you tell it'll be good next season for pve?

[hazy steeple]

We are currently waiting for MSV to add a global balance pass to the game, it's going to effect the most underused gear+guns and most other elements of the game.
#news-and-announcements > Project Resolve.

[wise swallow]

if your good at headshots its very strong in PVP imo

you gotta play it right but very strong if played right

[rich lotus]

Anybody know what the hardest hitting AR build is out there right now?

[hazy steeple]

Currently? Striker, no contest.

There's a build guide for it in the spreadsheet that's 📌 pinned in this channel.

[pearl carbon]

I found strikers 4 pc with momentous and fenris obliterate chest piece all red to be good

Only thing is I have blue core on the stickers knees for 1.1 Mil armor and that's it

Or you could do skolov obliderate

[flint wave]

Add more blues and the bonus armor gained from trophies increases exponentially

[pearl carbon]

Yeah I have another one with 2 blue - 3 blue cores it's insane but want more damage

Found the perfect grove

Not to less not too much but I'm also good at not dying so I don't needa use that build unless in raid or incursion

[placid fjord]

are Wasp combine Hunter's fury build good?

and where can i find a scene that has 30 enemy💀

[slate wedge]

vector recoil is 10 times easier than ACS

[flint wave]

#td1-build-advice ?

[placid fjord]

this is TD2 exotic p90

called Wasp

[flint wave]

chatterbox doesn't have that ability

[placid fjord]

this one

[slate wedge]

wtf

[flint wave]

never seen that in my life

[slate wedge]

new exo leaked?

[flint wave]

Chinese div2 exclusive exotics

[placid fjord]

wait,u guys doesn't have this?

it has 700 RPM 60Mag

[onyx sage]

idk if this is photoshop or leaked content but this ain't in the live game

[round zinc]

When you order ouroboros from wish

[slate wedge]

did i just witness a live leak?

[flint wave]

Chinese div2

[placid fjord]

it's CN server content nvm

[fallen comet]

its the chinese version of the game im guessing, different stuff in there

[onyx sage]

💀

[flint wave]

China always has different copies of any game

[fallen comet]

this server is for the main build, we dont have that here

[flint wave]

What else does China div2 have

[onyx sage]

solo legendary div2 china build when @flint wave

[flint wave]

6 red manning zoo with wasp

[onyx sage]

dew it

[placid fjord]

bruh, accuracy+15% stability+15% mag+10 range+15% on P90

💀

[flint wave]

it even has different attachment values I'm done

[placid fjord]

Wasp's recoil even worst then chameleon

it's joever

[fallen comet]

have some handling on the gear, we're barack

anyway we can access this build of the game?

[flint wave]

I think that's a 15% handling mod

[placid fjord]

seems no,even on CN server it's Eng text

[tawdry flare]

5.11 Build Made in China when @flint wave

[flint wave]

the metas don't change in china

[tawdry flare]

It changed

[flint wave]

ignore the pesti

and walker chest plate

[tawdry flare]

I will ignore the build

[gentle lichen]

Even when not fully stacked it still sounds really good

You kill then you can kill faster which goes along perfectly with the fact it gives you a smaller window to kill after every kill

Bring this shit over here bruh

[flint wave]

imagine hitting 30 stacks in a real game

[tawdry flare]

511 give or take

[hollow pasture]

I knew from other games that china had different versions of games but this shit was beyond my imagination

[fair ridge]

is there a good ortix exuro build guide around?

[hexed steppe]

Not really. It's just a subpar set.
But something with tagteam/skilled on chest since cooldown is a huge issue

Probably shock and awe for the tsd

[hollow pasture]

If you want to run it
4 piece Ortiz
Either perfect skilled or regular skilled or tag on the chest
And vile mask

[hexed steppe]

Why vile? No amps to make it worth

[hollow pasture]

Idk I did very little experimenting with it and just threw on what I thought would semi work

Haven't gotten around to improving it

[hexed steppe]

Ig it really doesnt matter. Its such a low damage set that it's probably still an improvement

[hollow pasture]

It's just for funny spinny turret

[fair ridge]

is there a better turret build?

[hollow pasture]

(how the turret should be at base)

[hexed steppe]

All that bring said just eclipse fire build and burn entire rooms

[hollow pasture]

I think he wants a good fire turret build tbh

And base fire turret isn't really that good

[hexed steppe]

Mortar turret is decent but its either unicorn or mostly standard afk build

[gentle lichen]

It's actually programmed that way for enemy turrets. Just not us

[hexed steppe]

No good fireturret builds. You either get a shit turret on a good eclipse, or you get a good turret on a shit build

Balanced

[hollow pasture]

We again get nerfed lol

[gentle lichen]

Funny that hyena have more advanced technology than the division

[sterile scarab]

Anyone with all red lvl 24 gear what's max confirmed armor?

[gentle lichen]

Should be easy to calculate

But I don't think it's a full blue core

[hexed steppe]

Nobody maxing out expertise on armor... especially when it's going to be reduced cost by 60% with project ramshackle

[sterile scarab]

So wait till project rework. But exos required? Save them for February?

[gentle lichen]

42

[hexed steppe]

Yes and yes

Stock up

[sterile scarab]

Thanks @hexed steppe @gentle lichen

[gentle lichen]

Gonna be hitting those dz boxes regrettably

[fallen comet]

up to 24, right? we still need to upgrade it to 25 cause of the raise in cap

[gentle lichen]

It may be either 48 or 47 looking at the pattern

[tawdry flare]

Idts cause nothing was added in the pts

[fallen comet]

yeah

[hollow pasture]

Yea I have ceased all expertising till February

It will go to 25
This phase didn't have any of the new season 3 stuff

[sterile scarab]

@hollow pasture I will always remember my 1000 heroic countdown runs fondly

[hollow pasture]

I probably did close to that when expertise and countdown first came out

But after so much I just got burned out

[hollow pasture]

Anything i can use this for 🤔

[vestal ibex]

HF SMG build.

[hollow pasture]

I already have that tbh but the chest is ceska

[glossy scarab]

It's a keeper tho

[vestal ibex]

You ask what it could be used for tho...

[hollow pasture]

Yes and I wasn't denying ur answer was just mentioning that I already have a HF SMG build

[tawdry flare]

Oreo build with hf

[bright raptor]

I already am very near crit cap without Ceska on my SMG build so I go Sokolov

[tawdry flare]

2pcs sokolova or 1pcs sokolova and 1 pcs groupo

[tall ore]

Anyone know a good festive delivery build?

[vestal ibex]

1 pc china light
2 pcs grupo(one being the festive backpack)
collector
contractors gloves for damage or lengmo for ER
Use demo spec
Attributes are ER and whatever you'd like else where.

[gentle lichen]

Advise to go ER so the off piece should be lengmo

[pure wing]

I'm level 30 in WT5, finishing up the last few missions before going to NY. I'm just using whatever gear I pick up at the moment. are there any easy changes I can make to make my ride a little easier from now to 40?

[vestal ibex]

Ah yeah, I'll amend mah sheet.

[gentle lichen]

More like add

[vestal ibex]

Amend yo

[gentle lichen]

Grab whatever is better than current gear

[gentle lichen]

Ion know that word yo

[vestal ibex]

Breh

[pure wing]

stupid question time, how do I know what's better? or am I literally just upping my gear score?

[gentle lichen]

When doing ny it switches back to level

So use whatever is highest level

[hazy steeple]

The latter. Once you reach NYC everything you have but Exotics will be junk anyway.

Guns, gear; all trashed.

[pure wing]

ah fair enough. anything worthwhile I can do while at 30? the zoo and stuff seem pretty difficult, or maybe I'm just bad xD

[gentle lichen]

Those activities are still available at 40

[slate wedge]

can i somehow get more damage on my regulus

[bright raptor]

the zoo is definitely a slog on the story mode clear before assembling a real build

[gentle lichen]

I want that holster dammit

[hazy steeple]

If you are playing for story reasons, then you should complete them all before you head off to NYC, but otherwise you can just wait if you find them too tough without a proper build.

[slate wedge]

i crafted like 30 today

[bright raptor]

Headhunter over Glass Cannon probably

[vestal ibex]

What's this for?

[gentle lichen]

Probably on demand damage

[slate wedge]

it is for pvp

[gentle lichen]

You totally want on demand yeah

Looks good

[slate wedge]

yeah, i just couldn't think for anything that would give me even higher damage

[gentle lichen]

Have no complaints

[slate wedge]

because rn i can oneshot anybody below 1.55m armor

BUT I WANT MORE

[gentle lichen]

2 shotting with reggie just foam and do it

I know all blue players who do this with ad rush and intimidate reggie

[slate wedge]

yeah, i can oneshot most people and 2 shot anybody

i can even headshot and then bodyshot nearly anybody

[gentle lichen]

If that is the case maybe try 2 prov and blue rolls into chc

28% extra chc for those body shots you may go for

This route would cost you 30% hazpro? I assume. And 15% HSD but you're probably more than 200% so it wouldn't be a hard punch on your damage

[slate wedge]

yeah i might go for that

yeah got myself 12% more chc

[urban latch]

The biggest tip to make story mode easy is pair a crusader shield with all the armor and skill tiers you have, and get a solid AR and/or smg. The rest of the attributes matter very little in story mode, but one thing to keep an eye out for are gear talents that give you damage, like your unstoppable force on your backpack.

[tall ore]

Thanks I'll try that

[rigid wing]

Just got the regulus!!!! So many regulus builds out there... what's the best build i can run pretty much anywhere except obviously group content (countdown, raids, incursions etc.) I've seen high end variants, hunters fury, hot shot, strikers so it makes it quite difficult to tell what pieces to farm for....

[vestal ibex]

Hunter fury will be your best friend.

[slate wedge]

this

[vestal ibex]

Breh he is trolling you. HF version is in the build hub on the spreadsheet. It's crazy good.

[slate wedge]

this is the build you want btw

[rigid wing]

got it! I'll take a look 🙂

[sacred raven]

regulus

[vestal ibex]

btw there are tons of small changes to this build you can make to fit your needs/playstyle/preference. Some use DCH, memento, some use chainkiller and DH vigi backpack. Tons of options.

[magic pilot]

Looks like pvp

[slate wedge]

yep, changed 2 of the hazpro rolls to chc aswell

[tawdry flare]

And some uses the meta pcs

[rigid wing]

what are the meta pcs?

[vestal ibex]

NO DO NOT ENTERTAIN THIS MAN

[rigid wing]

lol i'm so confused

[tawdry flare]

@urban latch I thought you were my friend 💔

[broken pewter]

Headhunter

[runic sphinx]

Can someone give me an example of a good shocker punch build to counter shock

[gentle lichen]

Just shocker with yaahl + hazpro roll is enough

[dreamy valve]

How is everyone doing with Festive Delivery builds

[vestal ibex]

1 pc china light
2 pcs grupo(one being the festive backpack)
collector
contractors gloves for damage or lengmo for ER
Use demo spec
Attributes are ER and whatever you'd like else where.

Just keep in mind you've got less than a day to use it in it's self nading form.

Also no idea what the "fix" is so it might be totally worthless tomorrow but we'll have to wait and see.

[dreamy valve]

I see

[unkempt dune]

What gear has mad bomber talent?

[gentle lichen]

Any

Perfect mad bomber is carpenter named lengmo chest

[hollow pasture]

Why
Someone was lacking damage at lovebirds and it was definitely whoever this was

[edgy junco]

Hello what kind of dmg mods should i prioritize for gloves and knees Crt dmg and Crt chance?

[vestal ibex]

You should look at your CHC in the stats tab and shoot for 60% or if you are using coyotes mid buff shoot for 50% CHC. The rolls/gear mods are interchangable so just aim for that %.

[dreamy valve]

Why do you think of True Patriot with festive delivery

[edgy junco]

@vestal ibex thanks boss

[vestal ibex]

I think if you are trying to deliver the biggest festive package you can it needs explosive damage. What do you think TP would offer here?

[dreamy valve]

More fireworks

[vestal ibex]

I mean if you are going for just a visual aspect then yeah sure, have at it.

[hexed steppe]

the HB is non optimal, sure.... but whats wrong with the high end red?

[vestal ibex]

On tha flooooorrrr

[hexed steppe]

still viable

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but PGC means you gotta tie your shoes a lot and lovebirds with the shock ammo and fire and face tanking...

[hexed steppe]

ig the biggest problem is "not striker"

i mean, the comment made was lacking damage... not dying constantly 🤔

[vestal ibex]

Well biggest problem is that damage to on the floor state is almost unavoidable in that fight and it's like what half the damage of strikers setups you'd use for lovebirds?

[hexed steppe]

thats kind of a power creep issue. its too bad too since striker setups are boring af

[hollow pasture]

Everyone else was running strikers
I could feel at lovebirds we were missing damage since we weren't one phasing

So like for me I went with him lacking it other than the others

[vestal ibex]

Correct builds help but if you don't have sledge/OC/Pulse/booster/firewall/striker shields/perfect opp and people shooting when they should it doesn't matter how perfect the builds are.

[hexed steppe]

so wouldnt 3 strikers burn them down with a healer?

[hollow pasture]

Yea but a healer with opp and sledge plus scorpio

[vestal ibex]

Ehhhh without buffs you probably wont get a good clean one phase with both dying.

[hexed steppe]

but do those buffs = another dps?

[hollow pasture]

I would've switched to healer myself but I didn't bring my healer into this character

[vestal ibex]

I'm just saying there is more involved than a simple 1 guy lacked DPS.

[vestal ibex]

Oh fuck yeah it's crazy the difference.

[hollow pasture]

Tbh
I am not used at all at running lovebirds without a healer

It is very much gambling with randoms

[hexed steppe]

thats kinda why i questioned... the HB sure its all blue... but high end should be able to make a dent even if not all the damage a striker would have

[vestal ibex]

I've only swapped off healer because people couldn't do the DPS no matter how much I buffed and did everything right. Honestly 4 dps isn't too hard.

[topaz briar]

could I just switch the main attribute of something to armor as I dont feel safe with this less armor, I go down pretty fast in countdown(challenging)

[junior surge]

I'd just recommend swapping to a better chest and mask, and kill things faster honestly. You can defintely slap on another armor core aswell, but what might help you more are pfe mods as nearly every enemy in countdown is an elite.

You can also run survivalist (for 10%pfe) or demolitionist (for the explosion protection every minute) if you wanna stay safer.

[topaz briar]

I use gunner for the armor on kill and Im just building it for myself im not building it because I play countdown

and the chest and mask gets swapped anyway

the mask should be a coyotes but I dont have that one yet

[junior surge]

What kind of content are you mainly using it for if not countdown? Your post specifically talked about countdown, so I assumed that's what you're mainly using it for

[topaz briar]

and the vest is a walker because of the extra ar damage

I wanna switch it for ceska

[junior surge]

Try ceska for vest instead, it'll hit harder because you can put more crit damage on the other pieces.

[topaz briar]

just missions and to not kill things in 1 second but to kill them fast and to not die fast

[junior surge]

For missions I really like 2-3 cores. Memento is also worth considering. Not the highest damage option, but gives 2 shield skill tiers, armor regen and bonus armor as you runa amd gun, plus the skill efficiency makes your shield regen a lil faster and it helps your drone too. It's extremely good for survivability and you don't lose all that much damage.

[topaz briar]

with 2-3 cores you mean blue cores?

[junior surge]

Yea

[topaz briar]

can I slap armor on every piece?

[junior surge]

You don't need all that much damage if it's just heroic for example

[junior surge]

Basically you have to consider that the faster you can kill enemies, the safer you are. So in a way, damage protects you aswell. Where exactly the sweet spot lies for you, you have to find out by just playing and experimenting around, it's also gonna change depending on content

[flint wave]

I think the only place where memento is actually just plain worse is the 8 player content

[topaz briar]

the thing is the striker backpack gives me this talent

[hollow pasture]

If you run striker imo you want the BP tbh

[flint wave]

In countdown definitely

[vestal ibex]

In solo heroic it donesn't matter so much.

[topaz briar]

I dont play heroic xD

my world is on challenging and I sometimes peek multiple enemies and my shield is gone because they breathed on me thats why I wanted more armor (I now have 1 million armor)

I play missions also in challenging

because the last time I tried heroic with a friend we got destroyed so hard

[flint wave]

Armor can help but it won't save you if you aren't accustomed to playing in cover

[topaz briar]

52% crit chance and 111% crit damage, what should I put on my mask? (I have one crit damage already and also my mods and stats arent maxed aswell)

on my mask I have skill hast and crit damage (I wanna replace skill haste obviously but I dont know if I should replace it with crit damage or crit chance)

[flint wave]

get close to 60% when you aren't running coyotes

in this case you can get to 58% with another crit chance mod/attribute

[topaz briar]

oh no I meant recalibrate

on my bp I have crit damage mod and on vest and mask I have 2 crit chance mods

[flint wave]

recal the skill haste into crit chance then

[topaz briar]

ok I have 59% crit chance and 112 crit damage (changed to a other ridgeway chest I had actually lying in my stash that was better) what vest should I farm for now or what set should my vest be? because ridgeway was just for the bleeding as I had to kill bleeding enemies

should I use grupo as it gives me crit damage and I could put both crit chance on the vest

[flint wave]

Get a ceska vest with obliterate talent. You can slot that single piece into a ton of dps builds

[topaz briar]

my mask is ceska

[flint wave]

you can easily get another grupo piece

[topaz briar]

yeah I know but I wanna know if thats the best choice

[flint wave]

Grupo and ceska combo is the best choice without coyotes yes

[topaz briar]

ok

should I also get a St. Elmos with better base damage?

or try to get one

well first I have to get lucky with the grupo piece

[flint wave]

damage to targets out of cover is the best third attribute for 90% of weapons

St elmos has a rerollable third attribute

[topaz briar]

I mean this

[vestal ibex]

What's your third attribute on the elmo?

[topaz briar]

damage to targets out of cover

[flint wave]

Don't worry about it then

optimizing attributes like 15% x weapon damage doesn't make a difference

[blissful rampart]

FYI the base damage on all guns is fixed, you cant change that

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but they probably mean the first attribute.

[topaz briar]

but I can farm for another one and maybe that one has more damage

[blissful rampart]

those stat bars on the weapon are RNG as well (like AR damage, DTH, and the 3rd stat) but base damage is fix.

[vestal ibex]

I think you need to just keep farming for the small changes and fill out your watch. You are still green to the game so you probably just need to learn spawns and how to play better.

[blissful rampart]

for Elmo, once you get one with DTOOC, you just need to optimize the stats upto max on it, with the opti station..

[flint wave]

good luck optimizing stuff at this stage of the game

[vestal ibex]

Yeah seeing as they have almost no max rolls on their overall gearset they should just keep farming up strikers too until they get a max weapon damage and then they can recal the attributes as needed. They 180ish SHD so give it time ya know.

[cursive gull]

wondering if i do warlords on my 2nd character if i can use scavenge points for the watch to get a bunch of mats?

[flint wave]

The only thing I would worry about optimizing is anything crit chance related

[flint wave]

yes you get ur scavenging points after beating keener

[blissful rampart]

yes you can, as watch points are account based, not character.

[flint wave]

people do it all the time at high shd for metric tons of mats

[cursive gull]

but im only level 222 so idk how effective it will be

[flint wave]

not effective for the time it takes to clear new york

[cursive gull]

just need a ton of steel rn and its kinda slow getting it

[vestal ibex]

Well you could fill out a couple characters if you want and as you level your SHD they will too.

You'll probably end up doing it at some time anyway. I just wouldn't delete and re run it until you are like 1500+ SHD.

[round iron]

i just got a weird idea for a build

3pc Striker's, 2pc ND, and ninjabike bag

basically Striker's but with extra CHD and CHC lmao

[onyx sage]

...which is still worse than running high end because high end has more attributes and therefore gives more crit

4p striker + coyote + ceska does what you're looking for but... better

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rich cosmos]

They should rework ninjabike so it can change one of its core attributes and have two of the same cores, like 1 red and 2 skill tiers

Just wish ninja bike would get some kind of buff or change to actually give a reason to bring

[dreamy valve]

My fix is to have it make it to being able to activate 3 brands, or 2 set gears at once

[rich cosmos]

The thing is you have to factor in the fact that depending on the change it could go from being mediocre to godly

I definitely think if you could change one of the cores that would be a minor buff that would allow to to fit some builds much better

[dreamy valve]

Speaking of attributes, they should remove dtooc from the 3rd attribute slot altogether or to make it only additive to weapon damage

[hollow pasture]

They said on state of the game when commenting on every exotic now being able to reroll it's 3rd attribute that they have plans to either nerf dttooc or bring up the other attributes to match it

[rich lotus]

Is the Carnage DZ exclusive?

[rich cosmos]

I hope they just make the others match it in strength

[dreamy valve]

Fastest way to balance everything is to remove it altogether

[hollow pasture]

That wouldn't happen
They would more likely make other attributes overtake dttooc

[rich cosmos]

That would be neat

[dreamy valve]

If they double the magazine size, I might consider it

Even then I might just still use dtooc

[round zinc]

Counterpoint:tots

[hollow pasture]

It'd be something for sure if they just went
"Okay this season we are removing dttooc lol"

A great way for people to be even more pissed at them

[rich cosmos]

I don’t want it to get removed or nerfed because all that does is pretty much fuck over anyone who hasn’t maxed out their watch or put too much effort into expertise

They shouldn’t be nerfing the players power, just give us a reason not to pick it

[onyx sage]

right now the only place where you wouldn't use dttooc as the best option is on mmr headhunter

even then dttooc is second best

i would like stuff to be just as strong as it tbh

[rich cosmos]

Yea

[onyx sage]

or other stats that give utility to be more compelling

[rich cosmos]

Add an armor on kill attribute for guns specifically idk just adding something new would probably get people to try out other things at least

[hollow pasture]

Well lmgs have built in dttooc tbh so you'd use smth else as its 3rd attribute

[mystic kayak]

is countdown and summit still a good place to go to farm gear for builds?

[flint wave]

ninjabike users creativity specializing in creating the most mid tier builds possible:

[rich cosmos]

Countdown literally exists just for that purpose

Summit is there too I guess

[mystic kayak]

soloable?

[rich cosmos]

Why

[hollow pasture]

No but just matchmake challenging countdown and you'll be fine

[mystic kayak]

any particular reason chall & not heroic?

[hollow pasture]

More people are on challenging than heroic as its more consistent

[mystic kayak]

gotcha. 'preciate you

[hollow pasture]

But you can matchmake for it and see how it goes for you

[mystic kayak]

does heroic still drop higher potential capped attitudes?

[hollow pasture]

It has higher minimum rolls iirc

[tame crane]

what would be a desired talent to have on an ACS12 on dps build thats used for building stacks?

[tulip charm]

Depends entirely on your build/personal preference

You can run lefty for that sweet sledgehammer, Rock and Roll, or normal acs with flatline, optimistic, strained which are the most common atm. Some people run measured aswell.

[dreamy valve]

Lefty for the dual utility

[slate wedge]

in pvp is an 3 piece ortiz build better than a high end status effect build for burning people?

[mild echo]

does the striker build need the ACS or can i use any other shotgun?

[slate wedge]

so instead of 20% status effects and 40% skill damage you'd get 40% burn damage and 20% burn duration

[onyx sage]

the former gives more damage

[slate wedge]

i get more burn damage from ortiz while testing it

[tawdry flare]

Were you running firewall?

[slate wedge]

yeah

[tawdry flare]

Mhh so you are getting more from burn DMG and duration than status and skill dmg is wired tbh but it only affects burn so any other status is weak

[onyx sage]

hm, i need to ask azur if burn damage is additive to skill damage but i highly suspect it is

[tawdry flare]

It is multiplicative I can check

I have ep build

Gonna switch firewall off and on

[onyx sage]

1.4x to status and skill damage?

as in 1.4 times SE damage times skill damage?

[tawdry flare]

Firewall spec give +15% burn duration so I will change to gunner and see

[onyx sage]

just look at damage number no need to worry about duration

[slate wedge]

btw it wasn't 20% status and 40% skill dmg, it was 8% dta, 30% skill damage and 10% status

[onyx sage]

wait, where's the burn damage then

[slate wedge]

what you mean?

i replaced contractors, one piece electrique and the second piece wyvern with 3 pieces ortiz

[tawdry flare]

1 pcs golan 1pcs electrique and 1pcs contractor with status should be better

All status skill DMG

[slate wedge]

didn't have golan sadly

[tawdry flare]

Ahh than time to farm

[slate wedge]

but golan doesnt matter because i have wyvern anyways so a second piece is the same as 1 piece golan

[tawdry flare]

Yeah but contractor is multiplicative on top also for status status effect > skill dmg

[slate wedge]

i know

[tawdry flare]

You can have 50% status and 20% skill DMG

With the combo

[slate wedge]

right now i run vile, courier, contractors, 2 pieces wyvern, 1 piece electrique

so if i replace wyvern with golan i have the exact same

[gentle lichen]

Status build?

[slate wedge]

yeah

[gentle lichen]

Don't run vile

[slate wedge]

why not?

[tawdry flare]

I didn't knew you had 2pcs wyvern

[gentle lichen]

Doubles stacks gained by catharsis which equals faster purge rendering your status build useless

[slate wedge]

vile just gives me like 70k on top

[gentle lichen]

Wouldn't mean anything if purge procs

[tawdry flare]

@onyx sage

game crashed lmao

[gentle lichen]

Hold up is damage expertise also applying to fire ticks

[tawdry flare]

it is only the damage let me sacrifice few exo

[gentle lichen]

Just initial blast? Ewww

[tawdry flare]

Yeah let me confirm give me some time game crashed when I changed load out

@gentle lichen

[gentle lichen]

Bonkers

[tawdry flare]

@onyx sage

[tawdry flare]

The new exuro gearset is so trash that 🤮

[slate wedge]

it would be so easy to buff aswell

[tawdry flare]

I am struggling to kill NPCs

One wave done

30s activity -> 5 mins

[slate wedge]

you guys like this build?

[mild echo]

yo whats up with those colours

[slate wedge]

colorblind mode

[mild echo]

i gotta get that on those colours look sick

[slate wedge]

i think it is the second one

[mild echo]

thanks

[untold hearth]

Wait a minute now that I think about it, can't we get the Chill Mask??? Like during this month still 🤔

[gentle lichen]

You can

Since the winter project started

[untold hearth]

WTF I just barley remembered too

[untold hearth]

Countdown?

[gentle lichen]

Loot goblins

[tawdry flare]

You should use 5.11 with that

[untold hearth]

I've only seen 1 ever remind me how that happens lol

[slate wedge]

i always wanted extra health

[gentle lichen]

There are manholes in many parts of the map

Popular one is in front of dz south main entrance

[untold hearth]

So what just roam around it?

[gentle lichen]

Till he spawns yeah

[untold hearth]

Cuz if so ik what I'ma do now lol

[untold hearth]

Better be a good ass roll too 🤣

Tbh

[hushed gorge]

Which Crit Ratio would be great?

[gentle lichen]

Multiply the 2 numbers and see which is higher

[hushed gorge]

53x177.2=9391.6

58.8x165.7=9743.16

[gentle lichen]

There you go