td2-build-advice

[vagrant pollen]

I can see your build through friends appreciate it alot mate

[sullen sun]

These builds viable?

Sry the first one is so blurry

[vestal ibex]

First one is razorback drone killer, second is a DZ build tha't pulse resistant.

[vagrant pollen]

Best striker build?

[tawdry flare]

Why do we need the sacrifice for drones?

We can use the one with chance to reset cooldown

[vestal ibex]

You don't but that's what they have on.

[magic pilot]

Too much armor for vigi

[bright raptor]

I've definitely wiped because a HW jammer setup turned out to not deal enough damage to destroy the drones rather than temp disable

[bronze hound]

I've seen it

It wasn't killing drones

[hazy steeple]

It's been a minute since I've done a DH, but doesn't it require a specific setup and not just a Tier 0 or whatever?

[woven pewter]

HW is a yellow core oriented gear. So its pretty impossible to have T1 at it...

Unless they change the core. Lol.

[hazy steeple]

Yes that would be the "or whatever" part.

[vestal ibex]

Drones aren't a big deal just shoot em.

[onyx sage]

monkey see monkey do

[tawdry flare]

I think a 5.11 skill build will do more

[fair ridge]

hey guys, a quick question. should i be crit capped with strikers (running coyote's too) or should I drop it down? my shd crit chance isn't even maxed yet and i'm already at 60% chc and 118 chd with elmo's

[tulip charm]

If running coyotes just run 50% and run more crit dmg

[fair ridge]

that's what I thought, thanks

[hazy steeple]

Slightly higher than 50% is fine too, and almost preferred just in case you dip out of the Coyotes buff range.
I like my Strikers to be between 50 and 55%.

[hexed steppe]

I would double check chc and make sure not way overcap.
How you run it depends largely on the range you operate at.
If you run close range you'll still want to push 60 cap.
Mid range you run 50ish

[untold hearth]

What does Ensare mean for chem launcher?? 🤔

[fickle light]

chem launcher's riot foam causes the status effect

[untold hearth]

No that I get, cuz I got Radius mod on it. And Ensare Duration which I think that's perfect right?

Oh god alot of typing incoming

[fickle light]

bruh you asked so i'm answering

[untold hearth]

I'm sorry 🤣

[fickle light]

As long as it doesnt push the riot foam over about 5 seconds, the enemies have an animation lock for about 5 seconds where they cant shoot- longer and they'll get out of the animation and start shooting you

[untold hearth]

Cuz I'm going to use it for my 1 shot build

[untold hearth]

Oh I see

[fickle light]

Its a bit more complicated than "lol dont have over 5 seconds on your foam" but overall it doesnt really matter for non-status effect builds

[untold hearth]

I get ya, cuz I finally am going after all the Hunters, ik I'm late, so I got that and the scan drone

[fickle light]

you dont really need to oneshot the hunters, just grab a scorpio and start blasting (might wanna grab a friend for the 2+ hunter battles)

[untold hearth]

Oh I got the Scorpio as my secondary so I got u lol. I just need 6 more now out of the 12 lol

[torn estuary]

is there a meta DPS build for Paradise Lost? I've seen a lot of people using the St. Elmo

[fickle light]

generally 4pc strikers with backpack, a ceska obliterate chest, and coyote's mask for the first 2 areas, then after tanker swap the chest to strikers chest and a ceska gloves/kneepads/holster, because you can actually stack further than 100 on the bosses
i'll grab raucey's strikers build guide real quick for ya

Strikers Guide this is the build, you can also totally just run the strikers chest version the whole way through but its not optimal (will still get you a clear tho)

[torn estuary]

thanks a lot 🙂

[tawdry flare]

I hate the challenging countdown entire team down at extraction

2 times 6 players down

[thick wren]

guys, how do i get overcharge with my skills, except getting the talents on gear

[fickle light]

thats the neat part- you dont. Overcharge is specific to exotics or talents

[hexed steppe]

Eww long form build links

[link text](www.example.com)

🍻

My phone doesnt recognize markdown so I hope I didn't mess that up 😅

[fickle light]

i tried that a few weeks ago but it didnt work, hold on

[fickle light]

my hero.

[hexed steppe]

🤣

[finite jay]

can anyone help me im trying to make a lmg pve build but this one doesnt have much survivability

[slate wedge]

Use 4 piece Striker with Coyotes and a Ceska Chestplate with Obliterate or Braced. Use Iron Lung as the LMG.

[finite jay]

i dont have any exotics just hopped back on game 2 days ago

[slate wedge]

Ahh i see

another great LMG is the L86

use that one with Strained or Frenzy and you're good

generally speaking LMGs aren't really good in the game

[finite jay]

ok ty

[hexed steppe]

Might also consider heartbreaker if you have an lmg with a long underbarrel.
It stacks like striker but on pulsed targets. Stacks also generate bonus armor.
Striker still top damage but hb is viable

[finite jay]

i want high dmg and survivability, which would you choose

[vestal ibex]

High damage. The dead can't harm you.

[glossy scarab]

no matter how much armor you have, you will still die just slower. taking like a whole minute to take out one enemy is not good for survivability

[finite jay]

ok

[magic pilot]

Braced isn't worth using

Just add handling rolls

[hexed steppe]

TBH i use nego for damage, gunner spec for armor on kill, ill also put on memento bag sometimes for the 3% regen. you can sub in striker, highend, heartbreaker, hunters fury in place of what i use.

anything you do for survivability is going to take a bit away from damage. everyone is basically going to pitch you straight DPS builds and have you rely on damage. memento is easiest overall survivability piece you can slap into any dps build. it will still generate some damage so it isnt a total loss of damage using it but will always result in lower damage. if you use a shield memento can give it 2 skilltiers & 30% skill health (aka shield health). if you use any healing skills memento will give you 30% repair skills.
gunner spec also fits on any dps build for extra armor on kill
tech spec is good if you use shield a lot as itll give another skilltier for free

[finite jay]

ok ill look into those items

ty

[hexed steppe]

yw

[glossy scarab]

i thought yw stood for yeah whatever at first. then i remembered that you're welcome is also an appropriate response to a thank you

[hexed steppe]

im never that dismissive XD

[hexed steppe]

im surprised you didnt mention bloodsucker relating to survivability tbh. it can stack the bonus armor and i know you use that a lot in your own builds iirc

[glossy scarab]

oh yeah

i been using it lately too

ideally you would pair it with intimidate, but keeping the buff up and being within 10 m of your target can be a pain

[hexed steppe]

soon itll be buffed according to the notes they posted. its kinda too bad it got nerfed before.. i didnt really see it as broken, just meta usage in dz.

[glossy scarab]

yeah it was good how it was. waiting for it to stack up takes too long. they could at least shorten that ramp up a little

[hexed steppe]

i think its getting shortened to 3 second ramp

[glossy scarab]

thats reasonable

extend it to 15 m please too

[hexed steppe]

idk where i got the 3 second ramp up thing, maybe imagined or from the stream. project resolve notes

[glossy scarab]

fair enough

[magic pilot]

Intimidate is getting a dmg buff and faster charge

[glossy scarab]

very nice

[vagrant pollen]

Best build for pure dps? i see people taking out heroic countdown bosses so easily

[hexed steppe]

smash or pass?

just got my big boy gun last night so i think its time to start answering new agent backup calls like this 😎

i should probably use crusader over car door tho

[glossy scarab]

kinda unpredictable with backup calls. i often answer them without knowing what im going into but a lot of times its not a mission or situation thats conducive to using a HHF build

but since you have regulus ready to go, it might not be that big an issue

[hexed steppe]

new agent calls are blue with wings

[glossy scarab]

oh nice. never noticed. i kinda just assume im going into a heroic situation with directives

[hexed steppe]

i see a lot of open world calls tho for the most part

[glossy scarab]

yeah bounties too

[slate wedge]

go for firewall with striker shield

[glossy scarab]

the 10% chd under barrel attachment is nice but if you're not running both reload speed attachments on m870s you are a wild one

[vestal ibex]

I mean this is pretty much what I run in openworld just with 1886 determined for the memes.

Also DH vigi backpack.

[glossy scarab]

i've changed the third attribute on several of my shotguns to chc in order to pair it with an ouroborus build and not be way over the cap for ouro by makin the build give enough chc to the shotgun

[vestal ibex]

Also I'm looking at dat mask and kneepads yo....

[hexed steppe]

im poor now 🤣 ... ok maybe not, but im lazy

[vestal ibex]

9 ranks and not max roll on the mask yo...

[hexed steppe]

should be lookin at those 870s. i got 110 exo to spend XD

[vestal ibex]

lol I have 0 expertise on any of my 870s.

[flint wave]

I'm skyler white yo

[glossy scarab]

i cant decide whether to expertise an m870 or white death

[hexed steppe]

wd

[flint wave]

White death

[vestal ibex]

I personally never use WD anymore but my M870 gets more use.

[glossy scarab]

yeah that seemed like the more useful option

[vestal ibex]

Also the extra damage on either probably doesn't matter unless you are doing solo legendary stuff.

Or just legendary all the time with them.

[glossy scarab]

yeah im in no rush to do it. i just used all my mats getting my second ouro w rof on it to 17%

[flint wave]

Expertise 0 wd can one shot everything thats not a minitank on legendary no vigilance lol

[glossy scarab]

ouro dttooc crits are higher than the for rof crits by roughly 10%. the rpm on the rof version is only like 4.7% faster. so the dttooc is still strongest

[flint wave]

never could've guessed

[glossy scarab]

i just wanted to knoww by how much the dttooc wins

[tawdry flare]

We need a 5.11 rework

[onyx sage]

time to fix that

[vestal ibex]

Time to wait it out and spend less on said expertise.

[onyx sage]

true

[misty agate]

Thought this was pretty cool

[slate wedge]

i have 1.5k hours since august

[vestal ibex]

Breh no wonder you've passed me for incursion clears.

[urban latch]

have you tried getting good?

[glossy scarab]

Shots fired. Call for backup

[vestal ibex]

You never carry me in pubs anymore. We got one off this weekend and that's the only one in like 2 weeks.

[slate wedge]

with the ones before LB reset i am over 400

[vestal ibex]

Oh yeah I'd be over 400 ez too. I'm just not doing nearly the amount of completions I used to with speeds (so many resets) and I'm barely doing pub runs anymore.

[slate wedge]

me neither

i used to just run this thing 10 times in a row without taking a break with randoms

[onyx sage]

i wish i could get good

[vestal ibex]

Why? You're already great.

[slate wedge]

i wish you could get good aswell

[onyx sage]

eh, i don't think i have enough xp in incursion or raid speeds

[slate wedge]

run incursion with me

[onyx sage]

best i know is running HHF in tanker

[slate wedge]

yeah well that ain't it

[vestal ibex]

Well new glitchless rules is making new teams pop up for raids too.

I might even see about joining new raid teams here soon.

[slate wedge]

too bad this server doesn't have voicechats anymore

[onyx sage]

i'll think about it more when i get let off the hook from work more, i only got time to solo nowadays

[slate wedge]

i finally solo'ed DUA 2 days ago

after the february update i won't be able to anymore

many people will fail at it then

[onyx sage]

congrats

and i run HHF in tanker to guard right side stairs. i don't think it's the fastest either but i can one-shot 2 drones at the end. the other stages i use striker 200 as usual

[slate wedge]

imo the best is 200 striker with coyotes/dodge depending on position

cause you can still 1 shot one drone with dodge and melt the other one with oreo

[onyx sage]

eh i don't take longer than striker 200 ttk anyway

[vestal ibex]

Two DCH, 1 coyotes, 1 swing. All striker chest/backpack.

[onyx sage]

i can consistently one shot so

[slate wedge]

can you one shot ads?

[onyx sage]

yes

[slate wedge]

oh damn

[onyx sage]

i got my aim game

[vestal ibex]

Need to one shot chungas tho.

[slate wedge]

chungas gonna be painful tho

[onyx sage]

i can even snipe with white death and break chunga helmets

they're not that tanky

i can record a clip but HHF at right side stairs isn't limited to close range at all

[slate wedge]

i won't use cause aim sucks but if so then thats great

[slate wedge]

whats swing?

[onyx sage]

roamer role ig

[vestal ibex]

They can be whatever.

[slate wedge]

ahh okay

i like 2 coyotes so we have 2 buffs up

[vestal ibex]

I just don't think consistency would be there for speeds.

[slate wedge]

i use coyotes +ceska so my AR gets up to 57% chc

[onyx sage]

oh nah I'm not going to use it for speeds

afaik it's only really good at that specific spot in tanker also

[slate wedge]

i also use in sync on my AR paired with striker drone

[vestal ibex]

I'd review footage and see how often mid is up and if it's worth it.

[tawdry flare]

Fast hands always

[slate wedge]

running carbine

[tawdry flare]

Put on fast hands

[slate wedge]

no

in sync very powerful

[onyx sage]

in sync is better for burst

[tawdry flare]

Only burst

[flint wave]

he was forced out of ar scope

[onyx sage]

and that's all you need

[flint wave]

👴

[onyx sage]

i mean i can, doesn't mean i should kek

[tawdry flare]

Why carbine though

[slate wedge]

what i want is killing ads in one mag

[onyx sage]

yeah in speeds you want burst

[flint wave]

rusher gonna end ur whole career

[slate wedge]

like the accuracy, will only use it for 20+ meters

[tawdry flare]

M4 insync has higher burst than

[slate wedge]

ik, don't have a good m4 tho + mag damage is lower

[flint wave]

why the in sync

[slate wedge]

constant 30% weapon damage

[onyx sage]

in sync gives higher damage

even more than strained

[flint wave]

crazy minmaxing

[onyx sage]

but like

[flint wave]

lmao

[onyx sage]

no m4 so

[tawdry flare]

If you are running skill like striker or turrent

Which you are in solo cause you need someone to take aggro

[slate wedge]

i am running drone

[tawdry flare]

Idk about you but I famas fast hands works fine

[slate wedge]

we are talking about incursion

[onyx sage]

incursion speeds

[slate wedge]

yeah it works but i like my c7 better

[tawdry flare]

Wutt

I thought you were talking about legendary

[slate wedge]

nope

[tawdry flare]

You said you completed solo dua

So I thought whole conversation was about that

Anyways incursion means 5.11

[patent fossil]

Brand ambassador here

[tawdry flare]

Who ?

[patent fossil]

You

[tawdry flare]

Ahh yeah for 5.11

[slate wedge]

such a fumble from devs to not buff 5.11

[tawdry flare]

It needs nerf not buff it is too strong

[slate wedge]

yeah, nerf it by giving it dtooc

[tawdry flare]

Give it 69% weapon handling and skill efficiency

[onyx sage]

i mean even in legendary you still prioritize burst

[tawdry flare]

Ahh I don't at least

[vestal ibex]

I burst em in one mag homie.

[tawdry flare]

Also why most speedboy uses fast hands

[onyx sage]

killing a healer in one mag is important yo

and medic too

[tawdry flare]

Mhh maybe I will try strained

[slate nest]

guys....

[tawdry flare]

I have been using fast hands for like too long

[tawdry flare]

All hail the Meta

[slate nest]

expertise 16.....

[slate wedge]

will the best regen build after the changes be 1 belstone, 2 golan and 3 gila?

or 3 gila 2 golan and catharsis

[gentle lichen]

Muhmento

[urban latch]

Ninja, 2p gila, 1p golan, 1p belstone, empress knees. Potentially 7% Regen.... Which would be so broken in pvp

[gentle lichen]

And this is on demand kind of regen lol

Don't have to bleed someone or anything

[tawdry flare]

Lmao

[urban latch]

No status to even need haz pro either. There would be nothing to counter it, were just going to have unkillable monsters running around the dz

[tawdry flare]

Ninja was buffed iirc ?

[gentle lichen]

Indirectly

[urban latch]

Well buffing 2p and 3p bonuses is effectively a ninjabike buff

[tawdry flare]

At least ninja will not be a meme now

[gentle lichen]

Eh if you don't have movement or caught by a sniper you'll still get killed

And if not hazpro you can get foamed and dps'd just not from meta i'd assume (6 blue famas)

[tawdry flare]

7% of 2 million armour = 140K regen rip

[urban latch]

Oh right.... MMRs are getting buffed, so one shot builds may see a big comeback

[tawdry flare]

MMR buff how ?

[hazy steeple]

Aren't they changing the way status effects work in PvP?

[gentle lichen]

30% to mantis and other mmrs

[gentle lichen]

Diminishing returns

[tawdry flare]

Wut

[tawdry flare]

All MMRs have 30% increase in base DMG?

[gentle lichen]

Not all

I remember srs was mentioned

[tawdry flare]

@urban latch mmr having base DMG increase ?

[hazy steeple]

It was something else, to do with different effects vs how you move.
I know bleed is going to be reduced if you stay still.

[urban latch]

Apparently some, but it's not official which ones and by how much

[gentle lichen]

Redundant. But i wonder what would they do to foam

Moving lessens duration?

[onyx sage]

idk if they're base dmg increases or just awd increase tbh

[urban latch]

But the one they mentioned would put it above the m44, and it's potentially not the MMR that we would expect to be the top base damage gun

[onyx sage]

can't say for sure until pts drops

[tawdry flare]

It is going to be based dmg imo

[onyx sage]

the srs variants being better than m44 would be a disaster

[tawdry flare]

Yeah 😂

[urban latch]

They've been talking about base damage

[onyx sage]

they're mag reload guns

it really would be a disaster if they're better

[tawdry flare]

Also buff relic while they are at it

[gentle lichen]

Other weapon for example eb is getting 50 more rpm. Including a configurable 3rd attribute. All exotics actually

[slate wedge]

why empress knees?

[tawdry flare]

1% regen as a stat emperor

[gentle lichen]

Emporor i assume

[urban latch]

Emperor's sorry. The name is too similar for my brain

[slate wedge]

that's emperor's guard

[urban latch]

I constantly say that wrong lol

[tawdry flare]

I registered the wrong name with the right buff

[slate wedge]

i see. apology accepted

[gentle lichen]

On that regard empress 2 pc getting buffed lol

[tawdry flare]

You didn't understand @urban latch feeling @slate wedge you broke his 💔

[slate wedge]

[tawdry flare]

Wut what is the new buff?

[urban latch]

2p is getting 20% skill damage lol

[tawdry flare]

Wut the fuck rip yellow sacrifice

[urban latch]

This update is going to be a massive power creep

[urban latch]

Not if pgc gets buffed...

[tawdry flare]

They should increase NPCs effective hp than

I like sponges

[gentle lichen]

Imagine buff is just less damage taken lol

[tawdry flare]

But if it doesn't get buff you are going to do a lot of rework for your notes

[urban latch]

That's going to happen regardless I think

Although most guides are gearsets tbh, which probably won't change much

[tawdry flare]

That would be a bonus imo 30% DMG dealt and 40% increased DMG taken

[tawdry flare]

I am waiting for the moment when you will make ninjabike builds

META*

[onyx sage]

50% dmg dealt 100% dmg taken, ez

[urban latch]

It's not like I have anything personal against it, it's just that as of the current game it's not good. If it becomes worth running then it's worth running

With the crit brandsets not changing though, I'm not sure if it will be worth it though for most DPS builds

[magic pilot]

Foundary also getting changes

[tawdry flare]

69% DMG dealt and 511% dmg taken

[gentle lichen]

More armor regen?

[tawdry flare]

What if they increase chc to 15% and chd to 20%

Which increases as the higher the bonus

[urban latch]

They said Providence wasn't changing

[magic pilot]

The talents specifically

[urban latch]

And soklov

[onyx sage]

hey raucey, how do we get the base dmg numbers if the game doesn't show all digits? do we back-calculate?

[tawdry flare]

For example 3pcs bonus will be increased vs 1pc

[gentle lichen]

Right the makeshift repairs

[magic pilot]

The game does show base dmg

[tawdry flare]

You can see it in game by Toggling it or by using grey gear

[onyx sage]

not all digits though

[urban latch]

There's a "show base numbers" option

[onyx sage]

idk how to get it to show something like 423108 instead of 423.1k

[tawdry flare]

Use 6pcs grey gear

[gentle lichen]

Watch

[tawdry flare]

New character

Specialization just respec

[gentle lichen]

Anything for accurate numbers ig

Base weapon damage attribute tho

[onyx sage]

yeah, but does it show the tens and units? it's only accurate to the hundreds for me

[tawdry flare]

You need to use binoculars

Azur is typing

[blissful rampart]

wear zero WD stuff, shoot range target/ then back math with the numbers you cant take off (gun WD, watch if not alt etc, DTH on AR, etc)

[tawdry flare]

5.11 to the rescue

[blissful rampart]

but like.. why lol tens and hunders dont matter cause 426.1k is more then enough 😛

[tawdry flare]

@onyx sage use 5.11 when testing 😂🤣

[onyx sage]

okay so back-calculate, i thought so too

[onyx sage]

because i'm obsessed smh

[tawdry flare]

Mhh how about using 100% awd

No need for estimation

Cause the half would be an integer

[blissful rampart]

..... i didnt think of that...

but also. need to have gear to give you exactly that 100% (every time you test something)

[onyx sage]

i'm already paranoid enough figuring out the hh formula just because the base numbers weren't exactly correct

[urban latch]

your weapons stats page shows you the exact weapon damage number, and all you need to do is divide it by your AWD%

[tawdry flare]

I messed up

[onyx sage]

oh nice. will keep that in mind

[urban latch]

also theroetically we have the %changes in the patch notes and things actually match up....

[tawdry flare]

About the fact that we are multiply and dividing by same number

[tawdry flare]

I never trust the patch notes cause half the things are not listed

I think they should buff rifle class

Cause it is the most unbalanced

We have only M1a as the logical choice

[onyx sage]

at this point i only treat it as a coincidence if patch notes get things correct

[tawdry flare]

Need to increase the chd to 25% also

[glossy scarab]

That'd be nice. M1A AND M1A CQB are the only rifles I regularly use. If they buff those I'll be pretty surprised

[hollow pasture]

M16 buff

USC BUFF

[glossy scarab]

USC needs handling more than it needs damage

[hollow pasture]

That is included in buff

I know it does pretty good damage

[glossy scarab]

I wouldn't know where to begin fixing M16

[hollow pasture]

It's burst

[glossy scarab]

Yeah. Doesn't feel too good

[hollow pasture]

Idk really I don't think I even have one in my stash

What is that rifle I never used it starts with a U
Not the USC

It's a weird name

[glossy scarab]

UIC 15 or something

[hollow pasture]

Yea that lol

[glossy scarab]

UIC Mod 15

It's alright actually

[hollow pasture]

Looks like an ar more than a rifle

[glossy scarab]

But the fire rate is too slow for it's damage level

Mk17 is has higher dmg and fire rate than it

And similar handling so no real reason to use it

It does look nice tho

[glossy scarab]

wow 3 piece empress is gonna make the 3 piece empress meta even more dominant and give it another 10% skill damage

[flint wave]

where's the Stat change info coming from?

[onyx sage]

from livestream

[hollow pasture]

They outlined some changes but I'm pretty sure there's much more that they didn't show and will be in the patch notes

Pretty sure yannick had a whole ass big graphic printed out on his notes lol

[onyx sage]

i want them patch notes

[hollow pasture]

Gonna be fun and interesting to read through the weapon balancing stuff

[flint wave]

gonna be fun for the spreadsheet updaters

[vagrant pollen]

It says to have ceska on chest and grupo on the back pack i just got a max ceska for the back does it matter if have the opposite?

[flint wave]

no

[vagrant pollen]

Ok ty

[flint wave]

If u plan to run both grupo and ceska it won't matter

[blissful rampart]

dont remind me 😭

[vestal ibex]

Same. idc what the stream said. People forget streams said DLC would be out early next year.

[blissful rampart]

iirc they didnt say "will be out" but rather "planning to be out by then"

[vagrant pollen]

Yeah i am What talent do i want on the bag? Running HF build

[flint wave]

Assuming it's not the headhunter one try using bloodsucker

[vagrant pollen]

Yeah its cd/cc

Apparently adrenaline rush is good? The blog im following is a bit old though

[onyx sage]

follow the guides in the pinned sheet here if you want up to date stuff

[vestal ibex]

Yeah and these are all planned changes which will change depending on PTS results and or what is really in the patch notes. You know what I mean.

[hollow pasture]

We will see how much "feedback" they actually listen to

[vestal ibex]

Idk patch notes for PTS coming within 2 days.

[hollow pasture]

I wasn't talking about those I was talking about how much will they listen to when it comes to phase 2

We will see I guess
Cuz I love how they buffed one of the brand set bonuses and it's just 30% ammo capacity from 20
And I wanna see if they'll change that

Cuz let's be real who is going for 3 pieces of the same brand for ammo capacity

[flint wave]

it's mag size

[hollow pasture]

It's ammo capacity

[flint wave]

which brand

Brazos is mag size

[blissful rampart]

petrov

[flint wave]

bruh

[hollow pasture]

Is petrov the one with -

Yea

[flint wave]

nice 3pc

[hollow pasture]

They are unwilling to actually change out the bonus but they shouldn't be

[flint wave]

more useless than health attribute

[blissful rampart]

IMHO their brand "buffs" are going to be a complete wash tbh, you can double buff a bad stat... but its still going to be a bad stat.

[hollow pasture]

Buffing empress like it needed it

[flint wave]

meanwhile empress getting a random ass 20% skill damage attribute

[hollow pasture]

Actually isn't gila getting 3% armor regen that might be good tbh

[flint wave]

memento at home:

[blissful rampart]

still bad for pve (gila buff)

[hollow pasture]

Yea what I heard is the gila change is good for pvp

[blissful rampart]

im speaking purely for pve (dont care about pvp though the changes sound interesting for pvp

[hollow pasture]

Watch them buff walker Harris lol

[magic pilot]

Only in pvp

[flint wave]

Ninjabike might see some unironic use for once depending on these brand changes

[magic pilot]

And it will fuck the game up in pvp

7-9% armor regen

[blissful rampart]

in pvp it might but still no for pve.

[hollow pasture]

Walker Harris has dta right that is dangerous territory

If they buff that

[magic pilot]

In dz it's still better to just use memento for the regen

[blissful rampart]

the 2 and 3pc bonuses are still bad /meh so getting more of them means nothing for pve

[magic pilot]

Do one landmark and you have max stacks

Also memento bugs sometimes and gives 6% regen although idk if it works in pvp

[flint wave]

If gila regen is on pc2 ninjabike would be memento but more group play compatabile

[blissful rampart]

i seriously doubt they buff walker brand but who knows....

[magic pilot]

If memento does do double regen in pvp then it would allow up to 12% regen

Firewall kit is 15 in pvp to put that in perspective

[hollow pasture]

They are listing talents like obliterate and glass to be buffed
Idk they might be crazy to buff walker lol

Why does obli need a buff

[magic pilot]

Rauceys 3 pc Walker, saywers, ceska and hollow man build getting a buff lol

[blissful rampart]

not to be buffed but they are listed as "problem talents" so could get nerfs.

[hollow pasture]

Didn't they say they aren't nerfing stuff

[flint wave]

I wouldn't be surprised if obliterate got reduced to 20%

[magic pilot]

I like the intimidate buff

[hollow pasture]

I thought they specifically said that

[magic pilot]

It's my favorite talent

[blissful rampart]

never said that.

[flint wave]

Make spotter come into play

[hollow pasture]

Hmmmm

[flint wave]

And glass cannon? How are you supposed to nerf that?

[magic pilot]

Intimidate will be very strong if they actually raise the stacks

[flint wave]

[hollow pasture]

Might be the weapons part where they said they aren't trying to nerf the top tier stuff 🤔

I know I heard it

[magic pilot]

I think intimidate rn is 38% ? @blissful rampart

[blissful rampart]

ez, have it give less amp 😛 (ie GC gives 15% amp instead of 20% now.) 🤣

[flint wave]

I was thinking the amp only applies to weapon damage

take that skill build users

[magic pilot]

Lmao

[blissful rampart]

iirc 35% no? then 40 for perfect? been a bit

[flint wave]

It would justify the random empress buff

lolo

[hollow pasture]

That empress stuff is so random

[magic pilot]

I think the stacks are multiplicative

[hollow pasture]

Here's a empress buff meanwhile we buffed habsburg 3 piece to give more status hooray!!!

[flint wave]

60% status effects🧠

[magic pilot]

Double status oh boy!

[blissful rampart]

like the IDEA of buffing less used talent is great! but they then list talents like GC and obliterate lulz .... dont know wtf they are doing man... like they listed the talents they are changing but only like 1% of them actually need the change (of the ones they listed)

[magic pilot]

One is syscor isn't it?

[blissful rampart]

correct (i meant just purely on the number shown on the talent.

[hollow pasture]

Yea

[flint wave]

gc gives 25%

[blissful rampart]

ummm not sure, its on the post though.

[flint wave]

perfect giving 30

[hollow pasture]

Foundry is also getting buffed

[magic pilot]

Ohhhh I'm dumb

[blissful rampart]

ah my b, though GC was 20%... slighlty off 😛

[magic pilot]

They have to change syscor because of the new medkit changes

[hollow pasture]

They list the sys corr talent and the foundry talent so

[flint wave]

If people used gc at 20% amp that would be :concern:

[magic pilot]

Syscor would be useless if they didn't change it

[blissful rampart]

like of all the talents that could need changes... WTF are you changing GC/ oblietate.... over say gun slinger, protected reload, reassigned like you know the ones that dont get used at all......

[hollow pasture]

Okay now I'm intrigued to see what they do with syscorr

[flint wave]

forgot gunslinger was a talent

I mean placeholder

[blissful rampart]

the talents being changed

[hollow pasture]

Future perfection????

[flint wave]

What kind of gearset has process refinery

[hollow pasture]

What are they cooking???

[magic pilot]

Swift lol

[blissful rampart]

iirc FB no?

[hollow pasture]

It's foundry

[flint wave]

Maybe give it a real perfect bonus

it's just 4 seconds more time to kill a target before stack loss

Future perfect doesn't need help

[hollow pasture]

Wait I just notice......

[flint wave]

Neither does perfection but

[magic pilot]

Not future perfect

[hollow pasture]

Oh my they are buffing the lady death talent

[magic pilot]

It's the named version

[magic pilot]

Doubt it

[hollow pasture]

Nerf it?
But why

[flint wave]

sig is not a bad weapon tho so I hope they don't do something insane like "weapon kills give 2 SKILL TIERS"

[magic pilot]

It's still stupid in pvp

[flint wave]

overcharge at skill tier 5 kills

[magic pilot]

Before oreo LD was the best close range weapon

[hollow pasture]

Feel like they would put pvp only then

If it was only for pvp

[magic pilot]

I think they will leave the dmg part and change the movement speed part

[flint wave]

That's makeshift repairs

[hollow pasture]

Process refinery sounds like foundry tho

Maybe a backpack chest talent

[blissful rampart]

no.. those talents they listed, they said they are "changing" but didnt say buffing or nerfing. so we dont know yet

[hollow pasture]

Really need them patch notes ASAP 😭

[blissful rampart]

ETA like 1-3 days 😛

[magic pilot]

Actually it's not Syscor listed

[hollow pasture]

Probably tmrw

[magic pilot]

It's all 3 foundary talents

[hollow pasture]

Preload starts tmrw

[flint wave]

Oh it is a fucking backpack foundry talent

[magic pilot]

Chest bp and 4pc

[flint wave]

Why did they list that seperate

[hollow pasture]

Oh so they are going all in on fb damn

[magic pilot]

It needs it

[hollow pasture]

I agree

[flint wave]

fb better have something like rigger where it's bp talent is just different from what you would ever expect

[hollow pasture]

Speaking of rigger

Why isn't that getting buffed or changed

[magic pilot]

It should directly do something with agro

[blissful rampart]

rigger needs big changes.. yet not getting anything 🤣

[magic pilot]

Like the decoy

[flint wave]

Rigger literally has infinite uptime with BP. That's its talent name. Its op already

[hollow pasture]

Yes it needs the decoy threat system

[magic pilot]

Foundary increases your threat level the more armor you have

The more enemy's shooting you the better sheild repair and regen you have

[flint wave]

That would be balanced tbh since pfe would be lacking

I think

[magic pilot]

PFE will still have good uses

[flint wave]

and explosions still wreck

[hollow pasture]

What other gear set needed changes

[flint wave]

Striker needs a byff

[hollow pasture]

Delete that before they think it's true

[magic pilot]

The need to make the backpack talent strong with foundary otherwise it might be too strong with ninja if you focus on full tank

[flint wave]

Nah power creep my game massive

[hollow pasture]

If foundry gets buffed and is actually good with aggro maybe it's time to put together a tank....

[magic pilot]

It would be cool to see

[blissful rampart]

easy fix for FB set

[flint wave]

Explosions are gonna be this sets Achilles heel

[blissful rampart]

FB 4pc "replaces your weapon with a sledge hammer, and reload button now a skill makes you bull rush forward" ... it now becomes instant fan favorite 😄

[hollow pasture]

Wow so we become wright

That's so epic

[flint wave]

Lol

[hollow pasture]

The sledge would still do horrible melee damage that's the sad part 😭

[blissful rampart]

doesnt matter. i got a mf sledge hammer!!!!!

[hollow pasture]

New status effect you apply to enemies : scare

[flint wave]

It stuns for 30s don't worry

[vagrant pollen]

Is strikers the best dps build?

[tulip charm]

Highest single target dps currently

[vagrant pollen]

Whats the average crits on one when not stacked?

[tulip charm]

uh depends on the build

but usually its 1.2m without buffs?

idr

[flint wave]

That's with striker chest

most situations don't call for 200 stack striker

[vestal ibex]

Not stacked it's like 400k ish crits I wanna say.

[vagrant pollen]

Whats the best non stack dps build?

[blissful rampart]

ND or HF imho

hell event strikers (cause still strong even at low stacks)

[vagrant pollen]

Is 450-600k crit damage no stacks good for HF? I feel like its bad cause it takes me like 3-4 mags to kill heroic elites in countdown

[sullen sun]

Thoughts?

[blissful rampart]

ignore bullet damage, go by a builds burst dps and ability to 1 mag elites (or better yet use the pinned dps calc). bullet damage has way too many factors missing.

[vagrant pollen]

Im newish to the game so im not sure what any of that means sorry lol

[blissful rampart]

not sure if trolling or not 🤔

[sullen sun]

It’s a Kamikaze build I just wanted to see what you guys would say

[blissful rampart]

um... all that of that is confusing? or just parts of what i said?

[vagrant pollen]

Burst dps

And how do i get my build to one mag elites

This is my build currently 60 cc max cd, I need better rolls on my sig but dont have the BP and im using 5 hf while i get grupo chest cause its my best chest

[blissful rampart]

burst dps= is your total average bullet damage x RoF. (also like your damage per second ignoring reloading)

and "And how do i get my build to one mag elites"
well once a build is made good, it will kill and elite in 1 mag (not sure how else to explain this part). short tldr is you can check the build guides in teh pinned spreadsheet for list of good builds.

[blissful rampart]

check out the pinned hunters fury build guide on the spreadsheet, id start there. (quick note the HF chest talent is very weak, and much better off using a normal chest. the guide has a note on this)

[vagrant pollen]

Ok, im following the build advice just seems like maybe im doing it wrong cause i feel extremely weak, TTK is bad and i go down in about 6 shots so i cant really get close to kill anything because of my low armor and slow TTK making me have to stand there and spray about 4 mags into them

And ill look into a better chest i dont think i have any at all but farming grupo so ill put it on as soon as i get one

[blissful rampart]

on heroic + you die fast (even as tank builds) , thats just how the game is balanced. need to use good builds and smart play and using shield (even at tier 0) makes you tankier.

also Chest and backpack talents are a BIG part in the dps (TTK) factor and in your picture you are using zero dps talents there.

[vagrant pollen]

My mate does more damage than me with a heartbreaker set and survives longer makes me mad with my build lol

What talents should i use for chest and bag?

[blissful rampart]

double check the guide, it goes over options.

[vagrant pollen]

Someone said use bloodsucker on bag but i cant kill quick enough so using adrenaline rush just for that little bit of extra armor when i push

[blissful rampart]

easy "quick" option is obliterate + wicked backpack for crit HF build.

or if you want to be tankier go Obliterate + blood sucker, adrenaline rush is just a weak talent tbh

[vagrant pollen]

With the wicked one how would i give the enemy a status effect?

[blissful rampart]

the HF set talent

[vagrant pollen]

Ah see you're smart and im stupid so thank god you're here lol

[blissful rampart]

😄

[onyx sage]

soon you'll be one of us

[vagrant pollen]

Ok so ive got rid of the hunters chest got a 10 wep damage grupo chest, gonna farm and get obliviate while i go for a better grupo

is there a specific way to get sig blueprint or is it random or is there a better smg to get that isnt locked behind incursion

[vagrant pollen]

Hopefully lol

[blissful rampart]

also TLDR: on why HF chest talent is bad.
HF chest only increases the buff duration. (and thats it)
A normal dps chest increases damage, and also buff duration (through faster kills). also works without the HF buff.

[blissful rampart]

blue prints are random, so just need to pray to the RNG gods.

[vestal ibex]

Meme build that focuses armor damage and sacrifices tons to do so with dead stats on essentially 3 pcs of the build.

[vagrant pollen]

Bro im not doing 1 mil plus crit damage at close range

you are a legend my friend

[blissful rampart]

wait. not? 😛

[vagrant pollen]

SORRY am lol

hopefully not the countdown bug so will make sure after this one is done

[vestal ibex]

Ouro(exp 16)-bloody knuckles-ceska-striker shield- body shots done solo shooting range.

Should be much easier to hit those numbers with other weapons just not nearly at that RPM.

[vagrant pollen]

nvm i had the countdown bug

[tulip charm]

Bug?

[vagrant pollen]

There is something like doubles your damage

thought my set was good dmg but now back down to 4 hundred and not one magging elites

[vestal ibex]

Yeah one of the counter measure is INSANE damage right now or some shit.

[flint wave]

That close range countermeasure essentially gives you 25% amp

[patent fossil]

if you look at the damage numbers you get it's more like 100% amp

[blissful rampart]

Pro tip, NEVER test builds damage in countdown 😛 test them in the range + use the dps calc sheet

[slate wedge]

it is weir because sometimes you get the 25% that you should get but sometimes you get like waaaaay more

[vestal ibex]

My guess is it's two buffs interacting.

[hexed steppe]

Nego 💯

[junior pebble]

Hey looking to get into Dark Zone Pvp, anybody got some good starter builds?

[hexed steppe]

looks like its that time of the season... break out them unicorns and put in some work

[hexed steppe]

check the pinned spreadsheet, there is a section for pvp iirc

[junior pebble]

thanks

[hexed steppe]

pinned in this channel*

[gentle lichen]

Incursion build btw

[onyx sage]

glass cannon AND pfe

big brain

[gentle lichen]

Had 10 revives in that run

Pretty sure they attributed to 50% of it

[slate wedge]

why not strategic allignment?

[hexed steppe]

10%more tsd

im always tapping stuff to keep either in sync or cap topped off

the short time of pca isnt an issue if you tap stuff when your mortar is about to hit. the 3 seconds is the usual argument

[slate wedge]

i see

i don't have the yellow sacrifice but i got an even more rare unicorn, full yellow grupo chest with gc

[hexed steppe]

nice. itll do the job as well. the 5% axtra is just icing on the cake

[tawdry flare]

I think it is still less DMG than sacrifice version

[junior pebble]

Are any gear sets useful for Dark Zone? Im thinking of trying to use either striker or heartbreaker. Or would you guys just suggest a high end set?

[slate wedge]

itis yeah

[cursive gull]

Hey i wanted to recalibrate a trait on my shield splinter or a fdamas, should i do armor damage or mag size?

[magic pilot]

Dtooc

[slate wedge]

damage to targets out of cover

best on every weapon

[astral kraken]

oh my...

[dreamy valve]

I still don’t have a second 13% pfe mod

[pearl carbon]

Is glass Canon better then obliderate

And can you stack it with double glass Canon

Like how companion was

[fresh fox]

debatable and no

generally obliterate is better but glass has some uses over obliterate

[pearl carbon]

Dam so perfect gc and normal gc don't stack do the add?

[fresh fox]

no

mostly because there is no gc bag haha

[pearl carbon]

Riggggght that's it my bad I thought there was lmao

My bad

[clever merlin]

which would be better 4x hotshot, 2x airaldi chainkiller & vigilance or

3x hotshot, ninja backpack, 1 airaldi chainkiller & habsburg?

[flint wave]

not the ninjabike one

never will be the ninjabike one in pve content

[sullen sun]

Thoughts?

[glossy scarab]

dont nerf yourself with ninjabag

its good for a couple things. damage builds are not those things

[sullen sun]

Not mine but yeah I agree

This is mine

[glossy scarab]

much better

[sullen sun]

Do I need coyotes?

[glossy scarab]

it would be nice, then you could have more chd on the build and rely on the mid range buff to get you up to 60% chc (this is only if you play at a fair distance, at least 15 meters but thats kinda a given bc negotiators plays much easier from a bit of a distance)

you definitely want to be as close to 60% chc as you can because the talent on negotiators transfers the damage from critical hits. so you want to crit as much as possible

the only chc rolls on that build should be in the fenris and grupo pieces and even those probably put you over the cap, using st elmo and all

cuz nego comes with its own 15% chc i think

[slate nest]

everything is dead with this build,including the player

[fallen comet]

mainly the player

[hexed steppe]

just stop /j 😅
my eyes, they burning seeing nego like this 😭

[hexed steppe]

coyote would be decent, especially if you pair elmo with an rifle m1a cqb or classic. the mask will supplement some extra chc when at range, rifles run 5-10% lower chc than elmo.

dont mind the spec class, use what you prefer . if im not running coyote im running fox's or possibly memento depending on situation

[cyan drift]

The sober punch drunk... so... like a... Slap-Sober? Smack some sense into someone? idk

[flint wave]

Sobriety Smack

[cyan drift]

YES

[flint wave]

[tawdry flare]

This is the true Chad build

[tawdry flare]

Punch drunk gives you another attribute

[cyan drift]

I mean, yeah

Airaldi is better for damage on MMRs anyway

[rich lotus]

anyone got any advice for a low shd (450) and being in the dz? i got pretty much all end game guns. It’s just without being expertise I struggle to compete with the 6 blue 20% oreo kids who haven’t gotten off the game since launch.

[dense seal]

That is nothing to do with "haven’t gotten off the game since launch"
Oreo is just that strong.
In short. Want to compete against Oreo, get an Oreo.

[tawdry flare]

Check the spreadsheet pinned in the channel @magic pilot can help he is our expert in pvp

[tawdry flare]

For Oreo you can use sniper kill them before they have a chance to kill you

[magic pilot]

Or liberty pistol if your aim is good enough

The old boomstick and switch trick 🤣

[tawdry flare]

Does Liberty have different talent in dz?

As the brand ambassador of 5.11 I would always recommend 5.11

[magic pilot]

No it doesn't

[tawdry flare]

than what is the switch trick ?

[tawdry flare]

Btw since you are on pc wanna play in about an hour ?

[magic pilot]

I'm down

[magic pilot]

Double pump with boom stick and then pull out the big shield to switch to pistol fast

[tawdry flare]

i see 👀

[covert meadow]

Hi does anyone know if Nemesis can get damage out of cover attribute?

[blissful rampart]

atm no. next patch its changing so ALL exo weapons you can though.

only like 4 exos right now can change the 3rd attribute (the fire sniper, elmo, Oreo, Iron lung)

[covert meadow]

@blissful rampart ok thanks I didn't even know about the patch, that's good news though. Thank you for letting me know 👍

[blissful rampart]

PTS notes coming up today or tomorrow FYI, keep an eye on #news-and-announcements sections

[hollow pasture]

While looking for a Lavoisier with chd and chc I found this
Any use I can make out of it

[onyx sage]

it'd have to be in a blue build but then blue builds aren't really meta and especially not one that heals

the only blue healer build i can see being used is blue FI with doctor home

which doesn't use this bp

it can though

[hollow pasture]

Hmmmm
Well ill keep it in the stash

[onyx sage]

yeah potential future unicorn

[hexed steppe]

Iron lung

[woven pewter]

I'm curious about exos. Wonder if we can reroll like now or pick through library. No info about that, right?

[blissful rampart]

^^

[flint wave]

remove dtoc pls

[hollow pasture]

I wouldn't be surprised that in the future other stats will be buffed to match dttoocs effectiveness

[patent fossil]

they said they want to do that in the stream

not included in the next season though, just a plan for the future

[hollow pasture]

Yea
Although if they buff DTA won't that be the next best one

Maybe with ROF?

[blissful rampart]

chc, dta, rof are all well balanced right now and next in line after dtooc

[hollow pasture]

Okay that's better than just dttooc king so I guess we are good then

Buff those to match dttooc and have more selection

[tawdry flare]

I just wanna ask if we get 10% rof and 10% dta and 10% dttoc the choice would be quite nice

[junior surge]

If we just keep buffing everything that's on the weaker side we end up with insane powercreep though.

[tawdry flare]

We need NPCs to be stronger

[junior surge]

For a while now, the new stuff has been too strong imo

[tawdry flare]

Make them at least 20% stronger on challenging and above

[blissful rampart]

i mean... still not a choice there tbh. would still be 10% DTOOC. though the dta and rof wouldnt be bad, just dtooc better (in that example)

[hollow pasture]

They need to make it so it's extremely close or better to have the other options

Without nerfing dttooc

[junior surge]

Why not just nerf dttooc instead of buffing everything else lol

[hollow pasture]

Alot of the dlc talk has been about a endgame rework as they've said
New item type and whatnot
So if there would ever be a difficulty increase it would be there

Or seasons 2 0 idk if that's related to the endgame rework

[urban latch]

I think that's exactly what this upcoming patch is about to do...

[blissful rampart]

that only works when something is over performing, right now DTOOC on guns is balanced. its everything else that is weak. (dtooc on guns isnt op) tbh

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[blissful rampart]

but i mean they could also just end up nerfing dtooc, wont know till patch is out.

[hollow pasture]

I think they are clearly fine with the power creep tbh

And that's their choice

[tawdry flare]

PTs preload is up

[blissful rampart]

but not notes

[junior surge]

The new incursion shows where that powercreep leads. 600 mil hp bosses for 4 players would have been unthinkable 2 years back

[hollow pasture]

Lol notes tmrw

[tawdry flare]

And people soloed the incursion

[junior surge]

That's completely missing the point

[vivid idol]

striker build is the best dps build right?

[hollow pasture]

They end up buffing difficulties
Half the player base "lol they are nerfing us again" 🙄lmao

And they get negative attention

[urban latch]

And we burn that down in under a minute without any crazy 1 shot strats lol

[hollow pasture]

Which is why they are so scared to nerf oreo

[tawdry flare]

I meant to say that we have the dps to do that solo. In like 30 Oreo mags

[junior surge]

Yea, but do that with the builds feom 2 years ago. Without sledge, ouros, or striker

[bronze hound]

depending how you measure dps, yes

[bronze hound]

we had one-shot strats with TAC-50 before WONY

[vivid idol]

like fastest way to kill

[hollow pasture]

I mean striker deserved it's buffs lol

[bronze hound]

depends how you measure it col lol

holy shit its thursday

[hexed steppe]

striker strongest single target damage
nego strongest multi target damage

[bronze hound]

^

[hollow pasture]

That's 2 people today here that didn't know it was Thursday

Some sort of epidemic

[junior surge]

I'm nog saying it's impossible. What I'm saying is that the fact that it is possible, shows how much powercreep has been added.

[tawdry flare]

Cause it is Friday for someone now

[tawdry flare]

The only powercreep is Oreo tbh cause regulus nemesis requires skill

[hollow pasture]

Yea and that shit ain't getting nerfed that's the sad part

[junior surge]

Strikers, ouros, expertise, sledgehammer

There's a good bunch of things that have increased damage levels from players in the last year or so

[hollow pasture]

They are "changing" some talents with project resolve tbh if anything gets nerfed it's there

[tawdry flare]

Yeah it is honestly the time to buff NPCs too or add legendary open world

[junior surge]

The 2 new legendaries also show this, with more and tankier enemies than the older 3 imo

[tawdry flare]

The health is same for them it's just they are longer mission

[junior surge]

Or just nerf the stuff that's outta line. Why buff 95% of brand and gear sets and weaons, when you can just nerf the overperforming 5%?

[hollow pasture]

Legendary open world ain't happening let's stop this pipe dream

[junior surge]

There's also a ton of them. Just compare tidal basin final stage with dua final stage in terms of amount of adds.

[tawdry flare]

Yeah but clearly that is not going to happen

[hollow pasture]

Legendary open world seems like the biggest fucking headache to add to the game

[tawdry flare]

Yeah that is challenging but if you put 3-4 pfe mod with striker you are good for that

[tawdry flare]

We know

[hollow pasture]

Like think about all the work for that to happen
On both maps even lol

[tawdry flare]

I like how they said they are going to focus on qol life changes the only thing I really liked

[hollow pasture]

Tinkering I liked

[onyx sage]

hands down 100%

[hollow pasture]

Skill mods change I liked
If it comes to gear mods I'll actually cry

[tawdry flare]

Like the expertise matd and inventory crafting menu

[tawdry flare]

Bruh really I don't think they changed the health values they just increased the adds

[onyx sage]

they increased veteran/elite to normal ratio. lol just compare zoo or tidal veterancy to roosevelt boss

roosevelt boss is full of normals

[tawdry flare]

that is increased yes but I meant raw health value for each npcs

[onyx sage]

no that's false

it's just veterancy that changed

[tawdry flare]

That's what I meant

[onyx sage]

what i'm really talking about is veterancy causing the perceived "tankiness" increase. if i misread then i apologize but the hp values of each veterancy doesn't change between the newer legendaries and the older ones

[junior surge]

I'm not necessarily talking about add health. But boss health for example. I mean the legendary zoo bosses need what, 250 mil to punch through?

[onyx sage]

that is true yes

[tawdry flare]

Yeah if you don't use the trick

[tawdry flare]

Dua boss 138million hp

Roosevelt drones

[onyx sage]

zoo bosses heavily incentivize health damage

[junior surge]

Yea but that's like saying "this boss is fine, just blb-reg it".

[tawdry flare]

Like 200mill hp each of I am not wrong

[onyx sage]

even then it's just absurd

i completely agree that zoo bosses are unfairly tanky

[tawdry flare]

Also the blind

[junior surge]

My point is that it just illustrates that inbetween the releases of these missions the players have gotten stronger.

[flint wave]

including barrel stuffing past their shield?

[tawdry flare]

Nope than they are weak

[flint wave]

same as riker tanks then

[onyx sage]

nah they're weak if you shoot inside their armor. but like that's not really what most people do

[flint wave]

how r u supposed to kill them legit

[onyx sage]

they only know once they got told

you just shoot them with lotsa boolets

[junior surge]

Now that they're removing shield peek, it's gonna change the meta a good bit too.

[flint wave]

understandable

[tawdry flare]

Most people don't know such stuff

[junior surge]

Rav stacking helps too

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[flint wave]

if it effects pve it shouldn't effect me too much unless legendary group play

[hollow pasture]

Focus becomes less popular on ARs

For most people

[tawdry flare]

@onyx sage don't zoo bosses have armour plating ?

[flint wave]

no more binocs

[onyx sage]

eh, focus most likely won't get affected

shield peek and focus aren't tied together

you can use any scope to shield peek, you just have to scope in

[tawdry flare]

Shield peek needs any scope

Focus need > =8X

[junior surge]

It's just that focus is one of the best damage talents, and peeking is a good way to keep the stacks up.

[flint wave]

If this doesn't touch unscoped shield peeking I good

[onyx sage]

there's just inherent synergy yeah

unscoped shield peeking is a hoax kek

[tawdry flare]

Time for 5.11 meta to rise

[hollow pasture]

Yea thats what I meant tbh

Never been a fan of constantly running focus but that's just personal preference tbh

[flint wave]

St elmos exists

[onyx sage]

you don't have to run focus or even 8x, precisely because something like elmo exists

[tawdry flare]

Focus is not such pita talent as people make out to be it's just needs practice

It's just personal preference

I won't mind the scope

[onyx sage]

and not like it cheeses content or anything. i would know after soloing all 5

[tawdry flare]

Do that with 5.11

[onyx sage]

focus barely gets me through the dps checks needed for my risky strats

[hexed steppe]

Focus is not such pita talent as people make out to be it's just needs practice

you were saying @tawdry flare

[onyx sage]

HAHAHA

[hexed steppe]

that little snippet is gonna live on a long time i think XD

[flint wave]

I thought it was common knowledge

[onyx sage]

i do throw it to people sometimes

how different the games we play are

[flint wave]

I figured it out myself

[hollow pasture]

Yea I mind the scope and that's just smth I don't like
Personal preference like I've seen a few here say

[tawdry flare]

It's all gud use whatever you want I use 5.11

[hexed steppe]

regulus question. does the explosion have any scaling related to explosive attributes or is it just WD ?

[onyx sage]

just weapon damage

[flint wave]

how do you know

[hexed steppe]

once its converted into the explosion does it count towards hollywood in regards to removing the shield

[hazy steeple]

@flint wave It literally says "weapon damage" on the talent.

[flint wave]

But it also says 5m explosion and chungas resust it

[hazy steeple]

Headshot Kills create a 5m explosion, dealing 400% weapon damage and applying bleed to all enemies hit."```
It's fairly clear.

@hexed steppe I can't imagine it counts as an explosion, but that would be a fun combo.

[flint wave]

I see explosion in there pretty clearly

[hazy steeple]

It also says bleed, so clearly it applies bleed resist. /s

[flint wave]

Alot of explosions apply bleed

[onyx sage]

it's tested is all

[flint wave]

k

[onyx sage]

yes

[hexed steppe]

i know, but i wasnt sure if it scaled off anything else. kinda like pesti being a wd talent but scaling off amps also.
i ask if i dont know

[flint wave]

I don't have the gun myself so it's impossible for me to test

[hazy steeple]

@hexed steppe Oh I was replying to AK, who for some reason has a problem with me giving an answer.

[onyx sage]

tooltip wording gets the best of us so we have to test everything

[flint wave]

Exactly

[hexed steppe]

oic 👍

[onyx sage]

ikia telling me that intimidate is actually an exponentially stacking buff set me down this path

[patent fossil]

ravenous and merciless explosions also count for hollywood

although I don't recommend merciless for obvious reasons

[flint wave]

For all I know it could've been a regular explosion that also scaled off wd based off wording

[hazy steeple]

Those don't directly say weapon damage, so I'm calling it as a different case.

[flint wave]

I hope explosive special ammo counts in that case

[hazy steeple]

well, they don't say it at the initial explosion. It's worded the other way around.

Sometimes the Talents in div2 are just so very dumb.

[fallen comet]

scorpio's shock also counts for some reason, disables the NPCs protection

[magic pilot]

It's gonna be nuts next update

Depending on how much they increase the stacks it will probably be between 40-45%

[blissful rampart]

intimidate right now is exponentially stacking buff correct. next patch changes the talent but who knows if it stay exponentially stacking buff. needs full recheck

[slate wedge]

if it reallz is 9 stacks then it would be at 55% overall

[onyx sage]

yep, i looked at it and if it's exponentially stacking with 5% per stack, max 9 stacks it's going to be 1.55 yea

which is crazy because fully stacking HF gives you 1.53

a chest talent that's better a gear set talent in the same niche. how crazy is that lol

[magic pilot]

And here I'll be using them both

I didn't watch the stream so I didn't catch what the stacks where getting changed to

[blissful rampart]

iirc its changing to 3 per second (up from 1) and changing max to (i forgot lol 7 i think they said??)

[onyx sage]

max of 9

so only 3 seconds to fully stack

it's going to be crazy if true

[magic pilot]

I wonder if it will be used on DH again

[onyx sage]

if it's not exponentially stacking we'd still be looking at 1.45

but also, the descent version of intimidate says that it adds "weapon damage" but i haven't verified whether it actually adds to awd in there

would need some good rng

[magic pilot]

It could just be wrong in descent too lol

[onyx sage]

yeah, i'm just curious because they actually changed wording for descent intimidate

[magic pilot]

True

[blissful rampart]

nah, devs dont get tool tips wrong 😎

[onyx sage]

the world if devs get every tooltip correct:

[compact quail]

I'm just now starting to go deeper into buildcrafting and i'm struggling a lot with survivability on Full Red dps Builds, to the point where i almost can't clear content that i would otherwise do pretty easily, is that normal?

[onyx sage]

did you put on glass cannon?

[compact quail]

nope, i don't have talents that make me take more dmg. It's just, how do you play with 680k armor and no healing skills/effects, only armor kits?
i'm used to Hunter's Fury with at least 1.2M armor, and it still does more than decent DPS

[onyx sage]

mostly cover to cover movement and "pieing" the environment to take on 1 enemy at a time basically. judicious use of shield also helps, just don't take too much damage with it

gunner's 10% aok also helps a lot

[compact quail]

so playing like a military-sim? that seems extremely inefficient
i prefer much more to do less dps but clearing content in half the time and stress, rather than killing everything fast but having to play like i'm constantly on 1hp

[heavy raptor]

Anyone can share a glass cannon seeker mine pve build to speed run content

[onyx sage]

this game is a "tactical rpg shooter", not a run and gun game; that being said, there are full red run and gun builds that work really well for high skill players

that's just the balance you have to deal with, if you go full red you deal absurd damage but you die quickly

[onyx sage]

seeker mines aren't that good to speedrun content with

[vestal ibex]

Might be for the hollywood event.

[compact quail]

maybe i'm just spoiled from playing Hunter's Fury so much, 20% armor on kill is no joke (at least at challenging/heroic)
is it really useful to go full red at this point? wouldn't it be better to have a few blues/no revive hive if it means being able to survive a lot more shots?

[heavy raptor]

Seems fun though ran into a couple people when running through missions on challenging

[onyx sage]

i mean it's up to you, your playstyle and the content you're dealing with which will have a dps threshold you need to meet

full red does require some skill to pilot well but you can learn over time if you're willing to, HF does spoil players a lot with the healing on kill

[compact quail]

i see, i guess i can be a little more flexible with attributes then, considering that i already do way more dmg than i need
thx for the advice

[urban latch]

I think if your used to tanky builds, especially HF where its not just the armor cores but the cc and armor on kill as well, it's going to take some time to adjust. But once you do you can absolutely play very aggressive with an all red build.

[vagrant pollen]

What talent on dark winter?

[fickle light]

dark winter has a locked talent

[vagrant pollen]

ah i see ty

[untold hearth]

Why do people decide to use greens in the DZ? 🙃

[magic pilot]

Gearsets?

[untold hearth]

Yep, sometimes I'm like well I guess they'll be that guy lol

[magic pilot]

Gearsets work in pvp depending on the set

[untold hearth]

I seen people only use negotiators and strikers so far in my POV

[stiff orbit]

ortiz btsu build instead of vile mask?

has anyone tried it out?

[magic pilot]

Neither with Ortiz lol

[magic pilot]

Nego, striker, FI, OD, cav, umbra

Most are used in groups

[stiff orbit]

?? what’s your setup then because that’s new to me

[bronze hound]

still no empress bag sigh

[untold hearth]

No wonder, yet I saw a guy solo in like huh lol

[shy willow]

I got a good rolled empress bag from legendary manning the other day I was ecstatic

[bronze hound]

what attributes

@shy willow

[shy willow]

Skill damage/haste maxed

[bronze hound]

what talent

im looking for one with combined arms

[shy willow]

Mine came w tech support

[bronze hound]

damn lucky

my rng fuckin hates me

[shy willow]

Yeah man i was so shocked

[shy willow]

Oof

[bronze hound]

been farming at least 7 hours for it

[shy willow]

Ouchh

[bronze hound]

still less than my hg chest took

that chest was prolly close to 50h

[shy willow]

Habs is a pain

[bronze hound]

same physical rng as the empress bag

[shy willow]

Goddamn

[bronze hound]

so im just hoping it takes less than 50 hours

[shy willow]

Good luck

[bronze hound]

sigh

number of runs since i started counting: 1

[stiff orbit]

Is there a time date on when the spreadsheet will be updated with a ortiz turret build?

[bronze hound]

the honest truth is i dont think its good enough to warrant a build for it

[shy willow]

Poor mans firecrest

[tawdry flare]

5:11

[bronze hound]

the joke is old mate

[magic pilot]

are you changing the core?

[stiff orbit]

🙁, i genuinely don’t get this idea that it’s a bad set. I’ve enjoyed it so far and it’s been great in legendary missions.

Where is this coming from genuinely

because i haven’t heard this from any other server than this one.

[bronze hound]

yes?

i aint running it with armour

[bronze hound]

it doesnt do much damage, coupled with low duration it doesnt do much

[stiff orbit]

?? low dmg???

[bronze hound]

compared to other skills yeah

[shy willow]

They still havent fixed that?

[bronze hound]

wdym fixed its a feature now

[shy willow]

Empress rolls blue?

[bronze hound]

they added it to the patch notes and retroactively enforced it on pre-existing gear

[stiff orbit]

dude, it’s a room aoe that does solid damage and basically allows you to do f*** all while you wait for everything to die.

what do you want it to do?

[vestal ibex]

EP fire blows it out of the house and is easier to use.

[bronze hound]

^

[shy willow]

Theres a bunch of other options

[bronze hound]

idfk why im so tired right now

wait yes i do wtf am i saying

[shy willow]

Exuro just outclassed

[stiff orbit]

other options doesn’t mean it isn’t worth using

[shy willow]

Better options

[bronze hound]

if something else accomplishes the same thing but better in every single way

[stiff orbit]

i actually enjoy using ortiz over exo for legendary

[shy willow]

EP fire is miles better as souless said

[bronze hound]

its fine if you enjoy it but it wont be added to the spreadsheet because theres options that are better in every way

[stiff orbit]

i like the turret better for more consistent cc

[bronze hound]

turret isnt more consistent

[shy willow]

If you want CC on legendary just use foam

[magic pilot]

Imagine not having an empress bp already

[bronze hound]

if an enemy doesnt have line of sight you cant just cc it

[bronze hound]

they changed pre-existing ones to be armour

[vestal ibex]

That's preference. So play what you want but people won't suggest something that does like 40% less damage.

[stiff orbit]

eh, maybe i just play the game differently then you guys

[shy willow]

Why is this even a thing😭

[magic pilot]

I wouldn't know I don't use empress

[stiff orbit]

i don’t fully agree with that

[bronze hound]

do you have numerical data to back that up

[shy willow]

So now my turret/drone build is in a shambles

[bronze hound]

because this is a talk about numbers

[stiff orbit]

if you’re still using your weapon to take care of enemies the dmg is comparable imo

[bronze hound]

EP does better damage when looking at raw data

[bronze hound]

do you have stats to back it up or

[vestal ibex]

Read the EP backpack talent and we can talk.

[bronze hound]

lol