td2-build-advice

[hexed steppe]

Gear expertise upgrades are a big waste of mats unless you are overflowing and cant pick any up...

All 6 items at level 20 is less than a blue core iirc

[sterile scarab]

Man with Gila mask the scaling is insane I'm at 7 with 800k something Armor

The chillout mask

[broken crane]

I just realized my mistake on the chest piece I forgot to reconfigure for obliterate

[hexed steppe]

The upgrades also go off the native armor on the pieces, not your cores

[flint wave]

all 23 is equal to a blue core

it only takes 700 exos

[sterile scarab]

With chillout?

[hexed steppe]

Just run a blue core if you want armor. It's totally not worth if you dont have the Mats for it

[flint wave]

How am I supposed to run another blue core when I already have 6

[hexed steppe]

🤣

[hexed steppe]

Is this on striker build?

[sterile scarab]

Yes sir

[hexed steppe]

So no coyote. Hopfully you are running ceska since it is crit starved set

[sterile scarab]

No man I'm no @hexed steppe but I'm at 59 150

Not even grupo just sokolov

[hexed steppe]

Post what you have if possible

[sterile scarab]

Ok sir once I get home. Im telling you Gila scaling is something. That's my final build I'm expertisint it all to ,24 chillout crit dmg / 4 striker/ sokolov

Ouroboros

[flint wave]

act like that 5% armor gonna do something until you get coyotes

[hexed steppe]

135 exo per item to 24.
That's 800ish exo for the gear

Hope you been stocking up

[glossy scarab]

chill out gives you even less than a grupo mask. if its chd all around

[sterile scarab]

I'll do it what we got to lose . I'm the one that posted level 22 all on Reddit got downvoted as hell

[flint wave]

level 22 on what build?

[sterile scarab]

15+12 gropo 12+12+12? I'm not sure about the math

Pfe build lol

[hexed steppe]

Its not a big deal. It's just a lot of time investment for little return

[glossy scarab]

12+12+15 vs 12+12+12

but good for pfe if youre stacking that

[sterile scarab]

Where's the extra 12 from gropo coming from just 1 mod slot?

[flint wave]

at shd 1600 something I can only get 1 item to expertise 24 I think

[glossy scarab]

mod slot on mask and chd attribute

[flint wave]

only practical pfe build I can see with chill out is a 6 pfe mod build but it has sawyers

[hexed steppe]

You'll be running crit chance somewhere in mods/attributes right?

[flint wave]

improv is just better

[sterile scarab]

That's 12 + 15 gilla is 12 +12 +12 Iim not good at math but I think it's accurate

That's the level 22 build all lol

[glossy scarab]

there is a regular chd attribute of 12%. there is a mod slot for 12%. there is a brand bonus of 15%

[flint wave]

where's the downvotes

[sterile scarab]

Okkk now I got it

[glossy scarab]

theree ya go lol

its only 3% difference so whatever anyway

[sterile scarab]

I play a lot but not efficiently I wasted level 20 all on king breaker I didn't know discord etc

[hexed steppe]

@sterile scarab are you running 3x chc mods or attributes to hit 59.
Without ceska you're only able to hit 41 (31 oreo, 10 watch)

[flint wave]

this is the peak of spectator builds

[magic pilot]

King breaker is good

[flint wave]

wtf man

kingbreaker I hate

[sterile scarab]

Level 20 all king breaker I didn't know FAMAS was meta at the time not even spotter

[magic pilot]

Nah 2 kingbreakers to 20 is crazy

[glossy scarab]

its you put the stability attachment on the muzzle of kingbreaker it feels a lot better

[sterile scarab]

I have ocd I deconstructed all I can only have 1 build at a time

[flint wave]

man

[glossy scarab]

wow

[flint wave]

how did this guy get this far

[magic pilot]

Gotta be trolling

[sterile scarab]

I swear I'm not

[glossy scarab]

like diagnosed OCD?

[sterile scarab]

I'll record my invent. I honestly have ocd I can never have anything in inventory and I wish I could deconstruct lullaby and merciless

Yeah like serial killer ocd. I got all commendations everything division tracker

[glossy scarab]

im not aware of any correlation between serial killers and ocd. i just know my cousin has it so bad that he keeps trying to end himself

[flint wave]

enough ocd to have 2 expertise 22 kingbreaks damn

[hexed steppe]

Dedicated to the grind

[glossy scarab]

for realz

[sterile scarab]

Deconstructed them cuz I switched to FAMAS then levlel to 23 both then deconstructed

[flint wave]

the expertise system is rlly killing this man

[sterile scarab]

Cuz ouro out dpss them

[glossy scarab]

this really hurts

jeeez

[sterile scarab]

Deconstructed 22 regulus. Cus I don't like it.

[glossy scarab]

ow! freakin stop it

[flint wave]

the trolling is killing me

[sterile scarab]

And the non exos have to have the exact same talents

I swear on everything I'm not trolling

[glossy scarab]

is that a frustrating way to live or does it feel right for you?

[sterile scarab]

I got 8 k hrs playing since day 1

[flint wave]

I'm already dead

[hexed steppe]

I dont agree with the choices but I'm starting to like your dedication to not giving an f and doing what you want

[sterile scarab]

Feels right. Frustrating if I don't deco struct

[flint wave]

yeah

[glossy scarab]

fascinating

[flint wave]

the stash doesn't help eithrr?

I forget about 90% of the crap I throw in the stash

[sterile scarab]

It has to be empty. I even delete alts after running for materials

[flint wave]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[hexed steppe]

Wony is the only fast way to get the mats you were asking about earlier

It sounds like you'll burn through them too

[flint wave]

3000 scavenging points isn't gonna save this man

🙏

[gentle lichen]

All my pieces are for potential pvp builds

299 btw

[sterile scarab]

No that's my final build if they don't have new gear or weapons

Cuz think about it picaro came post chillout that's another dmg boost tank build grind scenario

[flint wave]

I'm surprised kingbreaker doesn't piss you off(assuming you use it alot)

I hate the handling so much

bad optimal range like famas doesn't help either

[sterile scarab]

I didn't as soon as I knew FAMAS was meta I deconstructed

[gentle lichen]

Actually skill issue

Accuracy you might argue

[flint wave]

I think the kingbreaker was deserving of that decon tbh

[gentle lichen]

Stability is easy

[flint wave]

nah it fucking kicks

compared to other guns*

[gentle lichen]

Bighorn

[glossy scarab]

Pshh

[flint wave]

why make my life harder using a div 1 gun when I can use a div 2 gun

[glossy scarab]

Bighorn is the one prized exotic I can really do without

[flint wave]

I have 2 of them

[gentle lichen]

Armor regen pvp players like to shoot you in the head with it

[glossy scarab]

Needs so much chc unless you're using it for headshot

[gentle lichen]

Gotta foam you first ofc

[flint wave]

it's scoped mode is more powerful then its not scoped mode imo

But good luck using either

[glossy scarab]

Yeah that's what I thought

[gentle lichen]

If div 1 guns existed here they would've most likely been meta

[flint wave]

[gentle lichen]

By that i mean lvoa and lw m4

[flint wave]

[glossy scarab]

Lotta people salty about those two rifles

[magic pilot]

Not true

[flint wave]

how

[slate wedge]

cause they are shit?

[glossy scarab]

Yeah and they were top tier in div1 apparently

[magic pilot]

Because stats

[flint wave]

1 shot is like 9 bullets worth of damage

[noble meadow]

Hi guys!
I recently upgraded my St Elmo's Engine to +24 expertise and have been truly enjoying the pure power since then. And my next target would be a decent sniper build.

For** White Death (with dmg to armor) + Determined + Chainkiller + 4pcs of Hotshot** build, and if I want to contribute my power to my squad as much as possible in full-squad legendary difficulty:

1. Is this build (or any other sniper build with Determined) feasible in the most intense battles? (4-player legendary missions, namely Tidal Basin and Zoo)

2. How many levels of expertise should** White Death **be at before I can takedown enemies one at a time (except tanks ofc) in 4-player legendary difficulty

3. Should I upgrade the expertise level of the **Nemesis **to Lv. 11+ or even higher level (cost exotic components) so that it can guarantee an instant Veteran/Elite shot at the start of each encounter and grant me as many stacks of Perfect Headhunter as possible? If so at what level should be enough? For now both weapons are at +10 and I wonder which to be upgraded first.

[onyx sage]

what's your backpack brand? i assume airaldi

if it is, it would be able to one shot all the way up to legendary 4 man elites EXCEPT chungas (of course) and medics, which have around 30m effective hp instead. you'll need some expertise on your white death (preferably +20) to be able to one shot the medic, but even then i'm not sure if that's enough damage.

expertising nemesis isn't really needed but will be appreciated.

if you want to eke out even more damage, i suggest farming for a unicorn build, 3 hotshot 2 habsburg 1 airaldi which is currently top tier for mmr right now

[noble meadow]

For now i equip the gift backpack.

[onyx sage]

you'll want to change to airaldi for more damage

[noble meadow]

OK, thanks! Also should the talent be also vigilance or the one which increase dmg whenever in cover？（forgot the name sry）I am afraid that vigilance may sometimes drop and thus the dmg will drop for 4s or so and snipers mainly be in cover.

[vagrant pollen]

Best hunters fury build?

[onyx sage]

in a 4 man, don't worry about vigilance dropping, and you HAVE to run it to meet the 4 man elite hp breakpoint

composure gives less damage

[vestal ibex]

Test your build out in the shooting range solo. You'll need to turn on damage numbers to chat but if you hit about 25.3 mil thats the minimum you need hit to kill most lego elites. You'd typically wanna be above that a bunch tho.

[flint wave]

in groups

[vestal ibex]

25.3 is 4 man lego. You should always test solo as team buffs can be great or small depending on the builds/specs present.

[flint wave]

I haven't seen an FI + sniper user at the same time surprisingly

[vestal ibex]

Meh all depends on the team comp and such. Some people never run healer for legendary missions even. Just 3 DPS and a CC.

[flint wave]

and I've yet to see a CC

matchmaking sux

[vestal ibex]

ooof yeah I almost never MM legendary. I think I've been asked to help clan members who got sucked into a crappy lego like twice and that's my extent of matchmaking lego.

[onyx sage]

i mm legendary for fun

[vestal ibex]

If I'm down for shit tier gameplay it's cool but man do I get frustrated when it should be smooth and just isn't.

[vestal ibex]

So how do you feel about directives in legendary?

[flint wave]

No regen is FREE

easiest 200k xp of my life

(on legendary scaling)

[vestal ibex]

I've got people who like to run 3 directives for it. Fog, no regen, ammo. I don't mind the first two but man that disrupt ammo is the worst.

[flint wave]

my condolences for special ammo runners

As if their life wasn't dependant on enough rng

[onyx sage]

i love to suffer except if they run pistolero, ammo hoarders or special ammo

[gentle lichen]

Disrupt. The kryptonite of shield peek strat users

[flint wave]

no problem

6 blue core memento

[magic pilot]

I used to matchmake for leg on console

[terse horizon]

I always matchmake weekly legendries, have started to mm incursions now too

[slate wedge]

what should i change?

just quickly built that from scratch

chest still has headshot so might try to get one with crit damage but other than that idk

[hexed steppe]

pvp build?

[slate wedge]

yes

kinda looks like it

[hexed steppe]

what i was guessing from the hazpro/pulse resist

[slate wedge]

yep

thought maybe for conflict because status effect builds are such a pain in the ass

[hexed steppe]

first instict was to say something about ninja, but most pvp just put adrenaline there so youre at lease getting some varied usage with haz unlocks and 3 skill tiers

[slate wedge]

pvp is the only time where ninja is actually useful

[hexed steppe]

yaahl covers the 5% wd loss from matador which seems common as the adrenaline piece.
it doesnt really look that bad tbh since the trades being made arent really damage

[slate wedge]

also have it on my umbra build

[hexed steppe]

im interested to hear about how it plays tbh, im not much of a pvper but it looks like itll do the job. 3r 3y 5b when most have way less seems pretty good

oreo dishes out the damage. are you riding at 51 or did you use a chc mod somewhere

[slate wedge]

i'm at 57 because of one chc attribute on mask and ceska piece

[dreamy valve]

Would you guys be interested in forced random global directives to be cycled in the DZ? DZ exclusive ones not from LZ. Could encourage having to adjust to different builds and strategies constantly

[slate wedge]

nah, that would just make it even harder for lower level players

[hazy steeple]

First directive added: anyone that uses Elmo gets their character sent back to the start of the DC campaign.

[terse oriole]

What should i add/change

[vestal ibex]

It looks super good bro! You can start swapping blue cores for red up until you feel comfortable tho.

Could also ceska vigi backpack but that build will farm you everything you need.

[urban latch]

Acs12 instead Scorpio as well

[terse oriole]

For stacks right?

[urban latch]

Yeah. Plus you can get flatline and the pulse attachment on it as well

[terse oriole]

I also have a striker build, people say the coyote is too much but i don't know it's been great for me

[bronze hound]

what chc/chd

[terse oriole]

Its base 50% cc with 130/140 cd i think im at school rn kinda forgot 😹

[bronze hound]

you might wanna double check that youre not at the cap

[terse oriole]

Cc cap?

[bronze hound]

chc cap

[terse oriole]

Okok

[bronze hound]

because elmo has a lot of cc so i think you might be over it

i think its 20 on the gun

youre a lower shd so it should be less of an issue but as you level up youll want to change it

[terse oriole]

I'll do that

[bronze hound]

id just double check that youre not at it already

[unkempt dune]

What is max limit protection from elite that you can get to for doing legendary missions?

[onyx sage]

you mean how high the mods can be?

[flint wave]

80% is cap

[hazy steeple]

^13% per mod.

[unkempt dune]

What is best way to farm for protection from elite mod? So far, I have 1 13% and 1 12%

I need 4 more

[fickle light]

theres no way to specifically target protection from elites mods so just keep farming targeted loot mods

[unkempt dune]

Does playing on legendary missions with all directive have high chance of it dropping?

With target loot mod

[fickle light]

not specifically no

it just has a high chance of mods dropping

[unkempt dune]

I finished all commonly used builds and now I want to be able to either tank/invincible or shreds enemies in legendary. Want to join elite players.

[onyx sage]

elite players mostly don't play tank, they mostly have meta builds

then it's just down to experience

pfe mods are used in some very limited scenarios just to take a little bit less damage from elites, but not for making purely tank builds

[unkempt dune]

Tank for fun. Want to run around fatty gunner in legendary, be invincible. 80% protection from elite and talents... forgot name of talents, but saw video of guy taking hardly any damage in legendary, I was like how the hell, lol.

[tawdry flare]

5.11

[unkempt dune]

Yea i know, but tanking in legendary will be fun.

[onyx sage]

eh, if you solo then good luck killing anything. if you group then pray you group with patient folks

[tawdry flare]

If you are making pfe tank go all red for legendary cause you can keep taking dmg but can't kill NPCs so it becomes a problem

[onyx sage]

it's fun initially to not die yes, but it goes both ways

just saying if the players you see are truly experienced, none of them will play tank

[unkempt dune]

Well, you could get 59cc 120ish cd, 80 protection from elite, 40k+ regen..

Besides, will have dmg players in team for the kill

[hazy steeple]

Just a heads up, we tend to use chc and chd for crit chance and crit damage on here, to avoid confusion with crowd control and countdown respectively.

[unkempt dune]

Ok

[tawdry flare]

Which doesn't matter cause you can't kill NPCs quick also you have a reds and purples in legendary that can bypass the pfe protection

[fickle light]

"I will be useless but my team can pick up my slack"

[tawdry flare]

Even worse than a 5.11 dps build in legendary

[hazy steeple]

If you're playing on more casual Heroic, it shouldn't really be an issue, but on Legendary yeah it's not a great plan.

[unkempt dune]

Not useless if you are meat shield for them

[onyx sage]

not really. NPCs don't shoot tanks

[hazy steeple]

Remember the old adage: "the best CC is a dead enemy".

[tawdry flare]

Be a healer or cc that way you are way more useful for the team

[unkempt dune]

Npc are that smart?

[onyx sage]

you can be in front of them are nades and drones fly towards your dps roles anyway

[fickle light]

"why are my teammates mad at me? I've been blocking shots for them" the tank says, with 40 pounds of teammates bullets embedded in their backside.

[onyx sage]

because aggro in div2 is weird

[tawdry flare]

NPCs are dumb drop a decoy see the chaos

[hazy steeple]

I once melee'd a tank heavy and they still shot someone else.
Yeah their aggro is kinda broken.

[tawdry flare]

Div1 NPCs were the Chad one shot kill doesn't matter how much health you have doesn't flinch on headshots runs at 511KM/hr

[hazy steeple]

If you want to play a tank in div2 with the goal of distracting enemies, CC builds are rather good at it. You can confuse huge swaths of them.
but you can't really just "i am the wall" their shots. It's just not designed for it.

(well except for certain raid situations of course)

[ocean cedar]

Tank here, if anything. I'm just the rez machine. DPS teammates gets down all the time, and here to keep telling them to keep moving forward.

[fickle light]

All in all, tanks arent useful. If you wanna be the revive machine, be a healer. Helps out a lot more than a tank.

Tanks and healers do next to no DPS (compared to DPS builds), but Tanks are just in the way with how the game works. Healers let the DPS players actually stay up longer.

[onyx sage]

healers scale well with the group's skill level too, because even if they don't heal, future initiative just buffs the team's damage already

meanwhile if a tank wants to support the team beyond just staying alive, they'd have to go out of their way to do so by using opportunistic, scorpio or lefty, which run counter to the tank playstyle

and i would still take that over a pure tank build that has no support utility

[ocean cedar]

I respect it. But not everybody has the same gameplay/strategy in each sessions. My tank rush does the job of CC'ing enemies, and take aggro for the DPS/other skill builds to kill for me. I don't have to do damage, a tank is as useful as a CC, especially when its an open area and some people tend to spreadout.

[fickle light]

You arent really "Taking Aggro" as enemies will actually genuinely avoid shooting you.

[onyx sage]

not to say your playstyle is invalid or anything, but if you are taking substantially more aggro than your dps roles, that says more about the dps roles not doing enough damage than you taking aggro as a tank

[broken crane]

I was wondering that also did they remove the increased threat modifiers form div 1

[onyx sage]

so in the skill levels of the teams you play with, your build will work, but it won't scale if the other players play better

[glad heart]

enemies target the most dangerous player. That is the DPS builds, we get shot up, while tank just runs around. No offense, just the way it is

[broken crane]

But don’t shields have added threat bonuses?

[glad heart]

It would be nice if there was a threat modifier in Div 2 though.

[onyx sage]

it doesn't seem so in div2 nor is it made known in the skill descriptions

[shy willow]

Threat was a thing in div1 i dont think it is in 2

If it is its broken cuz they always target the most dangerous player

[glad heart]

Yeah, I get beat up, while carrying the tank haha

I have a tank build for Iron Horse Raid however.

[shy willow]

Yeah IH is right about the only place tanks are helping

[fickle light]

I see where you are coming from, but tanks are genuinely not useful in any difficulty over hard. In normal and hard you kill enemies faster than they can do damage to you, and in challenging and heroic you will be absorbing bullets in the back of your head if you try to get between your allies and your enemies. If you try to "lead enemies away" from your teammates, the enemies will just... turn around and start shooting your allies. Its not that we are against tanks, they are just not good, and something needs to change in the game for them to be useful.

[shy willow]

D3 was great but the playstyle doesnt translate well to this game

[cursive gull]

does anyone know what a good exotic to pair with striker? just got back in the game so i dont know too much

[glad heart]

St Elmo or Oreo

[cursive gull]

sorry meant like armor wise

[fickle light]

If there was a tank gearset that actually hard aggroed enemies to you when your shield is up and gave your shield the ability to actually take that punishment, then yeah i can see a tank being a decent helper, assuming you can do more than just soak bullets. But for now? Straight out not useful.

[cursive gull]

i have a St. Elmo for it already

[shy willow]

Coyotes mask

[glad heart]

Some Run Coyotes mask with striker due to low crit chance

[ocean cedar]

I get it. I run tank ever since this game was released and i totally agree with you that some things need to be changed. I think that's also the reason why we are underappreciated because we can't do much when it comes to damage overall. Maybe I run differetly from other TankBuilds. Going FullBlue is totally useless, that's why I run headshot damage on each gear, and rush towards enemies as my DPS teammates do dmg for me.

Half of the time, aggro works for me as long as I push first and my teammates stay back

Ring around the rosy with the named/special enemies as they have so much health. I leave that to my DPS mates

[shy willow]

But why do that when you could run dps and kill everything significantly faster

[cursive gull]

im running like 30% crit chance rn, but id need to farm that cause i dont have it at the moment

[ocean cedar]

Personally, I hate dying. I absolutely hate having to go down and rely on my teammates. I also like to play differently, not just stick to the niche.

[shy willow]

Tanky enemies go down even faster because you can stack like hell off of them

[fickle light]

At that point you are just doing a half-damage build that is not working too well, and taking your allies damage in the back of your head. Its not a terrible way to play, but i wouldnt be suprised when randoms in heroic missions either kick you or straight out leave.

[glad heart]

Takes time to collect the exotics

[shy willow]

Reviver hive

That and the crusader shield

[ocean cedar]

I use the artificer

[shy willow]

You shouldnt really be going down

[cursive gull]

was thinking id run summit and do mask focus to get a focused coyote to drop, dunno the optimal difficulty tho

[shy willow]

So its dps/tank/skill hybrid

[ocean cedar]

Not every situation is perfect, but my risk of going down is so low i don't need to rely on hive. I dont like waiting aswell

[glad heart]

Well don't get me started on shields; the dude with the shield is always between me and the enemies always shooting the back of the shield

[shy willow]

I feel you man

Always walking in front of my bullets hahaha

[shy willow]

If you wanna support your team run future initiative

Free damage buff for the team and healing

[ocean cedar]

I play very carefully not to block my teammates' shots. I have no problem with that. It's just very situational whenever one of my teammates are downed, or so low, that I take over.

[ocean cedar]

That's true, but I'm more of a rusher. I don't like staying back with my Bakers dozen

[shy willow]

Why are you using bakers dozen😭

[ocean cedar]

I'm not. LOL

[onyx sage]

FI doesn't run that

[shy willow]

Fi is shotguns (lefty)

[onyx sage]

or scorpio

[shy willow]

That too

[ocean cedar]

I run liberty to restore health to my shield.

I also have bulwark build, so that helps regen just fine.

[shy willow]

If you want an aggressive playstyle run strikers or headhunters fury build

HHF is as aggressive as it gets

[onyx sage]

just asking, have you played in countdown?

[ocean cedar]

I personally haven't run those, so I have no comment. I have seen people run with it though, and i'd say it aint bad.

[ocean cedar]

Yes, I have.

or whoever you're asking.

[onyx sage]

yeah no worries i asked the right person. i ask because it's one activity where strict dps is required

[shy willow]

The problem with builds that try to accomplish multiple things is that they end up being subpar at best for all said things

FI is solely support and works great

Same with strikers and dps

[ocean cedar]

Yeah, so that's situational for me. I run tank in the first half of countdown, and towards the end, whenever i feel like it, i switch to my DPS or CC. It depends

[onyx sage]

even in legendaries you can get away with a few tank builds even if the time is significantly longer. but countdown cannot be cleared with too low dps

[shy willow]

Incursion is ultimate dps check

[onyx sage]

okay so you do have other builds than just tank. that's what i was trying to gather

[ocean cedar]

True, but in the first half, it's mostly purples, and I can do like 7 shots and aggro like 3 on certain situations.

[ocean cedar]

I actually run as tank, with my mates in incursion. It was actually fun.

[shy willow]

Anything that isnt dps/healer is dead weight on incursion

[ocean cedar]

I hope they do something more for tanks in Div3. So far, i've been disappointed with the previous "blue" gear sets they've handed out. They just arent good tank builds.

[onyx sage]

you can say that again

[shy willow]

I miss d3

[ocean cedar]

see you in 20xx boys.

[shy willow]

Having the house and a ballistic shield

[glad heart]

I ran Nomad in Div 1

House, Ltwt M4 and the House

[shy willow]

In groups im always reclaimer solo is strikers

[ocean cedar]

Yes, I have DPS, CC, and a trash healing build i dropped.

sorry didn't see that comment, mb.

[onyx sage]

that's fine

[shy willow]

Get yourself an FI build

[glad heart]

FI is a good healer build

[ocean cedar]

let me actually look. I don't remember my healer class

[shy willow]

Even if you aint healing youre buffing the hell out of everyones damage with sledge and opportunistic

Along with ground control

[onyx sage]

so you are conscious of the limitations that tank builds do have in this game, so i won't push it on you to run other builds tbh. just know that the benefit of running something like FI is really just that much more

[ocean cedar]

Yeah, i do.

[onyx sage]

even variants of FI that aren't pure healing are strong. i ran blue FI once with doctor home just to see how versatile FI gets

[ocean cedar]

does that work in any diff group with diff builds?

[onyx sage]

blue FI? i'd say it depends on the group; if teammates do too little damage the pure healing variant would be better

but if they do deal enough damage, you're topping them up well if you keep marking enemies

[ocean cedar]

Yeah, that's my issue. I like my builds to be as passive as possible. That's my playstyle. I just shoot, pew pew and bam.

[onyx sage]

it's not for everyone tho. it has a 8x scope which i know not many people like

[ocean cedar]

^

Yeah, so my healing is specifically for Capitol Building boss, for my dps friend. I have no FI

[onyx sage]

for other occasions i run eclipse. sure i do have to aim where my riot foam goes but i generally just have to shoot a few times and then enemies keep getting foamed over and over while my dps roles keep mopping them up

[ocean cedar]

So with my CC build, I would never use Foam.

[onyx sage]

the strength of FI isn't even the healing tbh, it's the buffing when allies are full armor

[ocean cedar]

that's because in a few seconds into them being foamed, they will shoot back while still being foamed.

[onyx sage]

that's because you have too high status effects. i do tell this to some people to run lower SE

because if the enemies spend longer than 5s foamed, they will shoot, but if the foam duration is low enough, it's better because the NPCs' "break free" animation prevents them from shooting

not to brag but i do run legendary a lot and give a lot of advice in this regard

[ocean cedar]

there's better alternative than running a Chem launcher in general. I personally don't like to countdown in the chem launchers. They take too long, especially when you need to switch classes later on depending on the group's builds in bosses and such

Yeah, so im guessing your build for CC is for legendary? Mine's just general pve

[onyx sage]

ideally you never switch off of eclipse in countdown if you want to be a dedicated cc

[ocean cedar]

heroic missions

[onyx sage]

my builds scale on any difficulty, just changing up very minor stuff

so i give advice that holds up no matter the difficulty one plays in, so if they bring their builds into legendary or hard for league speedruns they know how to make the builds work.

i will say i am slightly biased towards making builds strong for legendary though.

[alpine dust]

So is there anything for the mind numb people who can't go past phase 2 in Paradise Lost even with a fully done Striker + Elmo build and 1k shd? I swear there has to be a cheese build

[ocean cedar]

That's cool. I mostly just run Tank and Rigger for legendaries as they are passive builds. No need to do multitask, proccing a skill this and that.

[onyx sage]

that's alright. i've played with a lot of builds over the time legendary has been out and nowadays i just play very aggressively because i just want it to be done fast tbh

[ocean cedar]

yeah, that's fair.

[onyx sage]

but blue FI and red rigger were some of the builds i put together as experiments for just different playstyles

[untold hearth]

1 shot build, got the knees finally lol

[limpid pelican]

Anyone know the ideal chest talent for oxidizer?

[onyx sage]

pgc

[untold hearth]

Thoughts? Would a blue core or 2 beat the purpose?

[shy willow]

You want as much damage as you can squeeze in

Including expertise

[untold hearth]

All 6 red gotcha 🥲

[runic sphinx]

Are there any fun pvp builds with the collector chestpiece?

[gentle lichen]

You can try these 2

Or a mix of both by having picaro and grupo bag with ad rush

Btw when throwing nade make sure to have tdi on your hand for the sledge

Or switch to tdi last second before explosion

[runic sphinx]

Ok will try this dont think I have all those pieces tho xD

[rich lotus]

I know you asked the same thing yesterday, I think you might be wanting someone to validate you needing blue cores, but you really don't and it'll be OK if you take them off for better damage.
I limited myself by using Unbreakable for six months (pretty much gives you two armour bars on a cooldown) and felt like I needed to to stay in the fight. What I needed to do really, was play smarter and use better positioning. Backed out of fights and came back at a different angle, learned (roughly) the spawns of the things I played the most

You might feel a bit weak, but the key point to being a glass cannon is the second word. You can't really work around DPS deficiencies, you can work on dying too often though. That part's entirely on you

[devout iris]

anyone got a heart breaker bullet king build here? cause i was thinking of pulling the king out of the stash

[untold hearth]

Ahh I see and understand where your coming from. Because I'm fine with the builds I've made enough already. And I've used and made the Aces Builds for example, but I just needed something else to work with. And so I got the 1shot/hotshot build going now. Not looking for the Hasburg pieces yet, only cuz I want to work around this and use it for a good while. Plus I plan to finally go after all Hunters I haven't yet.

[rich lotus]

Some reflection might be necessary. If you're really pushing back against having six red cores, and you feel you need that extra chonk, which situations are getting you in trouble the most?
I did a similar thing when I started using a full Striker build. I was doing a lot of damage but getting put on my butt a lot. Might be worth taking a moment each time, thinking about what you would've done if you had that same opportunity again. You've got the benefit of range with your sniper builds, if you can maintain that then in theory you should be taking much less heat

[shy willow]

Don't use bullet king

[devout iris]

oh...

[glossy scarab]

Yeah. The Dare would be better. L86 w flatline wrecks but the rpm is too slow for stacking. But the gr9 (Dare) rpm has a mag attachment that increases your rate of fire and I have rof as the third attribute on the dare

Problem is it doesn't take the linked laser pointer so you gotta hit headshots and use scanner pulse

[hexed steppe]

Just build around striker instead of HB. Able to use whatever and just keep an acs for stacking if on a low rpm weapon

Hb you want carbine 7 or police m4. Maybe kingbreaker

[flint wave]

live up to ur name striker

[tawdry flare]

Use 5.11

[slate wedge]

why not negev_

[shy willow]

Sleipnir better

[tawdry flare]

Negev_ is just another bullet king

[flint wave]

the_

[vestal ibex]

The reloading bullet King.

[hazy steeple]

To answer your question without a joke attached: Exotics in div2 are based off high-end (gold) guns models (except for Nemesis)
the difference between each "version" of the gun is mainly the Talent+appearance, sometimes the stats. Modding of course plays a part in it.

[slate wedge]

that can use frenzy

[shy willow]

Orrrr use sleipnir

Which has perfect frenzy

And at it's base is an mg5 I believe

[shadow gorge]

is still have 2 milions or 14 milions with regulus. Is normal? I see more damage with other build

from other people

[onyx sage]

what build?

[shadow gorge]

with regulus headshot damage

[onyx sage]

high end or hunter's fury?

[shadow gorge]

what is it?

i have the game in another language

[onyx sage]

what regulus build are you using

[shy willow]

Take a screenshot of your build and post it

[shadow gorge]

ok

[onyx sage]

^

14mil sounds like high end

[shadow gorge]

i not have optimized it

before optimize want see if is good

[urban latch]

It's one of the top builds in the game

[onyx sage]

yeah can't do wrong with it

[shadow gorge]

the backpack need change it and some thing but with testing not is good

[shy willow]

Yeah high end

The way a lot prefer to run it is with 4 pieces hunters fury with headshot rolls

[shadow gorge]

the hunter fury is?

[shy willow]

Gearset

[shadow gorge]

another guy says the high end have 70 milions

yes but not know in italian can show the icon?

[shy willow]

I don't think you'll ever hit for 70 million with a regulus

[shadow gorge]

says can reach 170 with tricks

is all fake?

i have read in this discord it

[shy willow]

With immense setup sure

Achilles pulse and a bunch of talents from your group procced

But generally you won't be hitting that hard

[onyx sage]

achilles, busy little bee, etc.

you have to set up for it

[vestal ibex]

170 mil ez with minor setup

[shadow gorge]

the problem i not know what is this ability because i have it in italian

change the game entirely is hard for me XD

maybe i give up and change game

need find a good master in italian XD

unfortunately not find any

🙂

[terse horizon]

this was just strikers and exotic holster and Achilles pulse and 2 blue cores cos i had wrong back pack and gloves on 🤣

[shy willow]

Try 4 piece hunters fury, chain killer and a d&h vigilance bag or something I'm not sure what people like as their 6th piece

Everything rolled to headshot and weapon handling

Bulwark shield and just start popping heads with regulus

[shadow gorge]

honestly i not understand what is it in italian

need a master in italian XD

[shy willow]

What part don't you understand

[shadow gorge]

hunter fury and achilles

all 😄

[urban latch]

That would require an Achilles mark to hit that high

But outside certain boss fight you never need to hit that high anyways

[shy willow]

Hunters fury is a gearset

[shadow gorge]

how pick up a achille pulse ability?

[shy willow]

Extra damage (amp?) On targets within a certain distance and disorient that spreads to enemies in a radius on kill along with armor/health on kill

And Achilles pulse is an ability you should have already

[shadow gorge]

yes but is only a scanner type?

i have only scanner instead of achilles

[vestal ibex]

Old manhunt mission at white oak.

[urban latch]

Yes, it's one of the pulse skills. It was a season reward. You can play the old season mission to get it. I believe it's the camp white oak mission

[tawdry flare]

Faye lau

[shy willow]

Achilles marks a single target and allows shots to hit for headshot damage when hitting marked spots

iirc

[shadow gorge]

ah ok thx for the info 🙂 for this reason i never understand that achilles XD

initially i thinking is a item the achilles LOL

[vestal ibex]

Yeah when over charged it'll let you do 100% more damage as headshot.

[gentle lichen]

Still don't understand how players can hit for 1B with it. Isn't it just weakpoint damage not their actual health/armor being hit?

[shadow gorge]

but then fury gear doing more damage?

over the achilles

[vestal ibex]

That's because of rav stacking. So it's 500% 600% damage to armor multiple times and you shoot the gunner helm which is armor.

[shy willow]

And I believe the Achilles damage is multiplicative too

[vestal ibex]

I think you need to separate what some of us are talking about.

HF version of regulus is top teir for open world and legendary conetent. The one shot builds we are conversing about now are totally different.

[gentle lichen]

I assume dch too because duh

[shadow gorge]

ah ok i tryng with high end now maybe

[vestal ibex]

High end is good but the HF version has tons of survivability and does more damage in sustained fights. Try both really as they have their own uses.

[shadow gorge]

thx 🙂 good holyday for all 😉

[shy willow]

The high end variant is mainly for one shot strats

[shadow gorge]

i got the achilles is a start of the mission 🙂 fast

[urban latch]

The left shoulder stacks are just insane. Each stack gives you a 10% amp, each shot giving two stacks. When you reach max stacks on a target at 10, that's doubled to 20, so a 200% amp. You can gain this buff from multiple enemies, so you can prep 3 targets with left shoulder stacks, then set them all off at once, giving you a 600% amp. And since the buff is still active if you swap weapons it allows you to swap to a DCH+ D50 combo to get that 10x amp as well. Add in other amps and group buffs, and hitting 1billion+ isn't actually that hard.

The whole nego trick is to tag the enemy you want to kill, then stack massive damage on a weak point like the gunner at grey, rocket ad or chunga at fieser, and take your shit on them, then the crit transfers the crazy high damage to one shot the boss

[tawdry flare]

Nego is broken

[tame crane]

hey guys, I wanna work towards a DPS build and found this one on youtube, would you guys say it is a decent/good build? 🙂 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXmsZToUl0g&t=643s&ab_channel=NothingButSkillz2.0

[vestal ibex]

Probably not. Most youtube builds are there to provide entertainment/clicks.

[flint wave]

Picaros holster is useless on dps

[glad heart]

20 million DPS with 1.6 Million armor.... hummmmm sounds like fantasy land

[flint wave]

Shooting range be like

[tawdry flare]

I will make one and have you click it

[flint wave]

New overpowered build using 5.11 buff

[vestal ibex]

This channel has a spreadsheet pinned. Once you open it go to the build hub tab and builds are listed there. To the right there is a link to a build guide. If you read the build guide and don't understand anything feel free to ask about it.

The top DPS builds I'd recommend are Strikers, Heart breakers, or Negotiators dilemma.

[flint wave]

Heartbreaker NO

weak set nowadays

[vestal ibex]

HB is still a solid DPS set. This isn't a legendary/incursion/raid recommendation.

[flint wave]

I think it's super outclassed by anything bloodsuckerr or memento related

Especially considering the latest exotics we got

[blissful rampart]

HB still decent set just there are better options. its not like its a bad set

[vestal ibex]

I think other weapons are still good even with Ouro around.

[blissful rampart]

HB backpack is bad though (cause ie bloodsucker or memento are much better

[flint wave]

Ouro is not that dominant I agree

[vestal ibex]

I was taking a crack at you.

[blissful rampart]

um... welll it very much is dominant

[flint wave]

nope

get off the spreadsheets

[vestal ibex]

Basically HB is still good even with strikers around type of thing.

[blissful rampart]

talking in game not just sheets lol

[flint wave]

inb4 the ouro clowns elmos at 35m

very real claim

[blissful rampart]

Ouro is objectively op

[tame crane]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=0ee25268-ad51-0dd8-be36-f12373c7630a&noteKey=ed1072bcb59a18f66b8619994f12c4e6&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2F0ee25268-ad51-0dd8-be36-f12373c7630a%2Fed1072bcb59a18f66b8619994f12c4e6&title=Strikers%2B%2528TU19%2529

Found my way to this document, this is two of the striker setups shown, should I go for something like that then? 😄

[flint wave]

pretty much

[blissful rampart]

strikers chest for incursion and legendary and normal chest for everything else (tldr)

[tame crane]

alright! thanks for the help guys

[flint wave]

You can get away with striker chest in 4 player elite filled stuff too

(Cps)

[blissful rampart]

of course you can but still a weaker option then normal chest (on average)

[vestal ibex]

Awww yis. Tons of other good guides in there too.

[flint wave]

idk these elites are tanky as shit

[tame crane]

I will work for something like the first picture I have sent then, with the legendary chest 👍

[vestal ibex]

Noice. If you need any tips on farming or other junk feel free to ask.

[tame crane]

yeah I was actually wondering what would be the best way to go about and getting those items? Got only 30 hours and just finished the expension in New York so I have no experience in farming/building sets whatsoever

[slate wedge]

are you hyped for all the rebalancing

[vestal ibex]

Countdown is typically your go to. aprox 15 minutes and you'd probably get all slots of strikers in one run. In addition you get a currency that can be spent on exotic caches every two challenging runs which is the recommended diff. If you want to get something kinda working there is summit and open world targeted loot. Also a note is that summit and countdown let you pick the targeted loot so you can cut down tons of time for farming.

[blissful rampart]

yes and no lol, buffing lots of weaker unused stuff which is great! and no.. well cause lots of changes i got to update on the spreadsheet 🤣 😭 @slate wedge

[vestal ibex]

Have bino boi do it.

[flint wave]

binomen

[magic pilot]

Where can I see patch notes

[vestal ibex]

Blindoman.

[vestal ibex]

PTS soon?

Should come then I'd expect.

It's usually the day before right? So maybe Thursday?

[blissful rampart]

once they are up, they will be posted in #news-and-announcements section.

PTS this weekend

[tame crane]

great thanks! and how do I go about getting those Exotic weapons and the Mask? 🙂

[vestal ibex]

Some exotics are in what we call the "general pool" and have no conditions for them to drop. Others are project/craft locked and some go into the pool after you obtain them once. The coyotes mask shown there is in the general pool and can be obtained via mask targeted loot or opening exotic caches.

[magic pilot]

Thanks

[latent bough]

I've looked at the pinned spreadsheet but can't decide on what's the best solo pve stuff with Elmo (and which one i can use for solo legendary)

[vestal ibex]

Solo legendary is gonna be between strikers and nego. Perfect focus is what most use for that tho. You can use a few different things but solo legendary is a badge of accomplishment in itself. Solo PVE with elmo is just whatever you want as solo heroic is ez af.

[latent bough]

Is there a best in slot stuff sheet for strikers ? didn't quite understood the sheets

[vestal ibex]

The sheet just has a general layout. BIS usually comes down to strats, team comp, and even the specific room you are in for a mission.

[onyx sage]

best in slot also depends on your desired playstyle as well

[tawdry flare]

Binoboi

[latent bough]

Okay, noly thing i'm missing right now is mats to optimise elmo, and good mods, mine are like 3/4 bars filled

[vestal ibex]

Are you wondering how you next level your game play?

[latent bough]

Kinda yeah

[vestal ibex]

Well that's always a hard thing to answer. Especially with the coming changes announced today. The best thing to do is surround yourself with people who are at a higher level and learn from them imo. I got into speed running a lot and it's allowed me to play with some of the best players in the game. It's been tons of fun and learning.

That @onyx sage guy does a bunch of legendary solo stuff. What's your thoughts?

[latent bough]

I didn't check what they announced, what was it ?

[onyx sage]

regarding how to improve gameplay?

[vestal ibex]

Yeah.

[vestal ibex]

Huge changes.
https://www.ubisoft.com/en-us/game/the-division/the-division-2/news-updates/4nCvudIbhKyqzMT1PTfup9

[latent bough]

Damn that's a lot

[onyx sage]

with project resolve coming idk how sweeping the changes will be but i can say with certainty that knowing how to cover to cover and how to spawn camp will be very helpful almost everywhere, not just legendary but in open world and descent as well

learning enemy AI is also something you'll passively learn just playing through legendary but it's also very helpful

[latent bough]

The most i had trouble with in solo is enemie's that are not rushers, rushing me

[onyx sage]

oh yeah about that. learn how to bait melees

it takes some practice to get used to but try to play up close to an enemy and watch how they melee you. you can bait them into meleeing you while you get free shots in since they're stuck in that animation

you can practice in open world but this is a really good skill to learn in legendary and descent

[vestal ibex]

This, it's huge and useful all the time.

[latent bough]

Didn't know at all about this

[onyx sage]

you know it's a good player when they consistently melee bait. it's a huge form of CC

most of this knowledge isn't really written anywhere but just comes with time, as souless said, surround yourself with good players who will teach you these things

[vestal ibex]

Uh other things to do is bind instant skill use and get all your game settings figured out. Aim/look around sensitivity is huge but idk might not be an issue for you.

Oh overshooting/shooting corpses is something most people don't think about but it helps with ammo management which does come into play in solo legendary.

[latent bough]

I might try all this, for the good players, i need to do the raids anyway so might try to contact people

[onyx sage]

raids aren't as hard tbh because you can get carried, but in solo leg or descent you really get to practice

[vestal ibex]

I've got LFG discords I can DM you if you'd like. I'll be trying to run an IH raid later today to help someone get regulus parts.

[latent bough]

I'm gonna farm solo for a bit until i'm confortable that i won't be an anchor in a group

[bronze hound]

Yeah I melee bait hunters and rogues

[onyx sage]

my DMs are also open and i'll send you some good resources as well

[latent bough]

Hunter are on another level for me, the fact you can't use skill, makes my revive useless

0 problems for the ones in countdown, complete death machines in summit

[bronze hound]

Just don't rush them

Countdown hunters aren't even technically hunters

[flint wave]

Hunters aren't the pprhlem in summit

It's got the worst designed room in the history of division 2

[bronze hound]

Eh the worst room is darpa imo

[flint wave]

how

[bronze hound]

No cover

[flint wave]

where

[bronze hound]

Last room

[desert oasis]

What are some good weapon talents? I often run In Sync but would like something more consistent

[bronze hound]

Strained or fast hands

[onyx sage]

what build?

[desert oasis]

I run striker

[flint wave]

Way more cover then whatever abomination floor 100 is tho

[bronze hound]

^

[latent bough]

Well for summit the last room i just stay in the entrance and pray they don't rush

[bronze hound]

Id disagree

[onyx sage]

yeah as eevee said

[flint wave]

Atleast on left and right side

[vestal ibex]

I pray they do rush. Come to my scorpio.

[latent bough]

I play m1a and elmo so no stay away XD

[desert oasis]

What is a good CHC to have? I am at 40%, I do have the Coyote's Mask

[onyx sage]

aim for 50%, with coyote mid buff you get to 60%

generally you want to hit 60% if your chd is 100%+

[bronze hound]

50 with coyote 60 without

[desert oasis]

Got it. Thanks guys

[flint wave]

ridgeway moment

[small hornet]

Hello ! Returning player here ! Is there any website that lists builds for TD2 same as TD1 ?

[onyx sage]

the pinned spreadsheet on this channel is the best resource in that regard

[small hornet]

Alroght thanks 😄

What kind of build do you recommand to play ? I used to play tank in TD1

[onyx sage]

tanks don't really have the same impact in div2 anymore, it's either support or dps meta

striker returns in div2 and is still generally king for damage but there are other good options. for support there is Eclipse and FI for CC and buffing respectively

[tulip charm]

Tanks are basically dead outside of Iron Horse raid. Just look through the spreadsheet to see what interest you and ask any questions you have about said build.

[glossy scarab]

Negev is fine and has nice rpm but the mag is small and the handling is bad compared to gr9

[dreamy valve]

Main team returning?

[vestal ibex]

Bro I just gave a link, I didn't watch it nor have I had time to read thru what I even linked.

[tawny belfry]

What is best shotgun for DPS?

[flint wave]

Six12 or super 90 I think

acs exists too

[onyx sage]

pretty much yeah

[glossy scarab]

m870 is king

[urban latch]

M870 for headhunter, but if your not using that it's not really that special

[glossy scarab]

six12 is really nice, quick reload. good damage with a good talent. super 90 is also very good but you have to contend with reloading 8 shells unless you reload during every free moment even if its only 1 or 2 shells

[onyx sage]

if you don't proc pummel with super 90 it feels sooooo bad

if you do it's really strong

[glossy scarab]

pretty much

i'll use tsunami over super 90 because of that sometimes. 2 kills to proc perfect pummel is a big improvement

[latent bough]

Okay so for striker you have to use shotgun to build stacks then switch to elmo ?

[glossy scarab]

ACS12, lefty or rock n roll

all of them are ACS 12s. 2 are named ones

[slate wedge]

i need your help

[latent bough]

Seems like too much of a step up gameplay wise from just full red build

Nego might be a better choice for me

[vestal ibex]

I need help too bro.

[slate wedge]

mine or just in general?

[vestal ibex]

In life.

[slate wedge]

same tbh

[vestal ibex]

lol

[slate wedge]

how do you get the 2 shot on wright and johnson

when we do it on wright one of us always gets the dummy shot

when we do it on johnson one of us always hits for less than 100Mil

even tho we both hit achilles with full striker stacks, full dodge and a flatline d50

[vestal ibex]

I do the dummy damage so they do full damage on Wright.

Oh Johnson he has a soft cap and needs to be at 4 armor bars before you can one shot him.

[slate wedge]

ohhhh i see

[vestal ibex]

Not sure how much you've analyzed the videos but we OD ammo for these shots too.

[slate wedge]

so one takes a full shot until 4 bars, then the other one takes it

[vestal ibex]

With Johnson yeah.

[slate wedge]

how do you get the OD ammo?

[vestal ibex]

Having someone run OD bro.

We are following all the rules for the new community% too.

[slate wedge]

ouh damn, i thought it was just 3 striker

[slate wedge]

obviously

[vestal ibex]

It is three striker but weapons keep OD ammo as long as you don't swap the weapon out.

[slate wedge]

ahhh that is big brain

so broken switched to OD for the part between tanker and wright?

[vestal ibex]

Awww yis

That's why he handles those ads like he does.

[slate wedge]

got it thanks manmakes sense now

[vestal ibex]

That 20% might help you but idk 100 mil sounds strange but I'd need POVs and time to look at it tho.

Broken hit for 290 mil in that vid no crit.

[slate wedge]

he probably also has everything expertise 24 right?

[vestal ibex]

Ronin did hit for only 127 mil tho.

[slate wedge]

and all achilles are 24 aswell?

[vestal ibex]

Oh god no. Bro we speed run not farm.

[slate wedge]

hahaha

[vestal ibex]

Broken started these speeds with 0 expertise on oxy.

I think most of us only have like 16 ish on our Ouros. I think their D50s are like 10ish?

[slate wedge]

oh wow

we have 20 on oreo and 15 on d50

[vestal ibex]

I do know that the two shots on wright can mess up for us too tho. Sometimes we get stuck on that last peg of his health bar with immune for a second. I'm surprised you aren't asking about how we get no chunga. I'm not sure why more are like "how da heck"

[vestal ibex]

Breh you'd laugh so hard if I told you the other things messed up with our builds that we all just found out recently.

[slate wedge]

i think it is because you guys are so fast that the chunga didnt step out the door yet so the game doesnt see him in the area and opens the door because it thinks everything in the room is cleared

i got this

[vestal ibex]

I'll just list some random things all players should check in no particular order and of course it's not related.
Make sure you have your SHD watch points filled out.
Make sure your spec tree has damage for the weapons you use.
If you are on a HSD build don't have two CHC rolls and maybe optimize your gear.
Make sure you wear gear mod slots.

[slate wedge]

probably the softcap

[vestal ibex]

It's actually water timing.

[urban latch]

Yeah but how da heck

[slate wedge]

what? for real?

[vestal ibex]

Yeah you need to get him down to 4 bars of armor otherwise in that 4 bar area it limits your damage.

[slate wedge]

i am kind of a perfectionist in that matter so i am good haha

[slate wedge]

yeah, monday only got like 150 because no sledge

[vestal ibex]

I'm just saying... Some WR runners could take that advice too.

[slate wedge]

hahaha as long as they get the WR

[vestal ibex]

We are pushing for sub 6:30...

[slate wedge]

fair point

[vestal ibex]

We lost 10 seconds in tanker yesterday so ez.

[slate wedge]

we lose 40 seconds compared to you guys on tanker

[vagrant pollen]

What build is like 6xing my damage in countdown? Sometimes im doing like 3 million and then others im back down to my usual 500k

[flint wave]

average game with the close range countermeasure enabled

[urban latch]

It's not a build, it's the close range buff. It's bugged and results in giving everyone a massive damage spike

[flint wave]

I think it's only bugged on shottys

[magic pilot]

How come you don't want 2 chc rolls?

[flint wave]

it's like 25% amp otherwise

[magic pilot]

No

[vagrant pollen]

Ah i see i was about to go farm it lol thank you

[flint wave]

how

[latent bough]

I looked at nego build, but i'm not like a 100% with the build, precisely about the flatlines weapons

[magic pilot]

It's bugged for everything

[flint wave]

it's not

[magic pilot]

What about it

[latent bough]

Well doesn't seem really good ? unless i'm missing something

[flint wave]

Are you surprised 125% damage at close range is a big increase?

[magic pilot]

Why would it not be good?

Can you elaborate more

[latent bough]

Because it procs only with the kingbreaker

[vestal ibex]

It'll damage multiple targets and by passes certain enemies armor.

[flint wave]

don't use kingbreaker

[magic pilot]

No lol

It procs with the laser from technician

[latent bough]

That's what i'm missing okay

What if i want to play elmo in this build ?

[flint wave]

Then use obliterate

not spotter or whatever

and gunner would be more fitting

[magic pilot]

Obliterate chest

EB is going to be the best AR after the patch next

[latent bough]

EB ?

[vestal ibex]

I'ma patch you.

[latent bough]

Oh eagle bearer

[flint wave]

if eb is buffed so hard it beats elmo I'll deconstruct my ouro

[magic pilot]

It is going to be lol

11% dps over the next best AR

[flint wave]

we're gonna find out

[magic pilot]

rpm increase and Dtooc

[flint wave]

p416 is mid

[magic pilot]

Not according to math based on the current information for next update

[flint wave]

oh the misery

[magic pilot]

Ctar might beat out famas and f2k definitely does

[latent bough]

I hope the chameleon gets a buff

[magic pilot]

It technically is

[flint wave]

make it an smg like it deserves

[magic pilot]

Dtooc on third attribute

Rolling chc on the exotic lmgs will be nice

They all have super low chc

[latent bough]

I just love the weapon in general, just thought the stacks you have to reach are quite high

[slate wedge]

what about bighorn?

[urban latch]

I wouldn't be making any claims until at the very least we see what's in the pts, and likely not until it's actually released in game

If it were up to me I wouldn't be touching any of the ARs since the class as a whole is pretty well balanced... Rifles on the other hand are a complete mess

[onyx sage]

i'm going to be gathering info from pts too

[patent fossil]

yup, they said they're open to making further tweaks based off the PTS

shield peeking fix might render binoculars a bit less useful (or it might revert to the old version where you could stack without actually zooming in if you had shield up)

[onyx sage]

that's like the first thing i'm going to test lol

[heady sable]

Anybody doing raids

[hexed steppe]

#lfg-raid-console

[magic pilot]

I'm just basing that off the information that they currently given. So we will see. I'm sure a lot will change

Interesting to think about EB being even remotely good again

[urban latch]

There's no full.list if changes though right? They just mentioned a few examples

[magic pilot]

Yea exactly

Pvp talent changes for gear and weapons

Lady death, unbreakable, glass, bighorn, intimidate, doctor home, future perfection and perfect preservation

[tulip charm]

man I hope fully the 2 and 3 pieces brand set rework is actually good

[magic pilot]

It depends on how they go about it

Hopefully they change the brandsets so they aren't intermixed in build bonus so much

[tulip charm]

Dev giving nbb hope for future meta

[magic pilot]

Like grupo going from 15% chd to explosive dmg to 5% WD

[tulip charm]

but then whos gonna take groupos place?

[urban latch]

They said the brandset types aren't changing, only the amounts. Which is the main issue with most sets

[tulip charm]

So w&h buff?

[urban latch]

I don't think w&h was mentioned as not being changed, so that may become a very good 2p if they double the dta

[magic pilot]

Ahhhh

[tulip charm]

Oh it was mentioned?

[urban latch]

They mentioned prov, soklov, and empress as not changing

[tulip charm]

fair

[urban latch]

For all we know w&h is staying the same and they just didn't say it

[tulip charm]

wait so if sokolov isnt changing then they arent touching specific weapon damage bonuses?

[urban latch]

They were also misspeaking enough they were joking about it, so I'd take everything they said with a grain if salt lol

[tulip charm]

lol

[urban latch]

I think it's mainly because they are crit bonuses which are the main ones people already use

[blissful rampart]

this ^^ they also said "the 1pc of brands arent changing, they are looking into buffing the 2pc and 3pc of most brands (not all) another example they give is also Gila regen 3pc going from 1% to 3%

[tulip charm]

3%?

Oh boy

[blissful rampart]

also said "Habsburg Guard 3pc going from 10% status to 20%

[urban latch]

Which could essentially mean a 3p gila, 2p golan (assuming), 1p belstone would be a 6% Regen build, which would be nuts and completely broken....

[tulip charm]

golan can be buffed aswell if they're touching 2/3p

💀

[blissful rampart]

iirc overlord 3pc going from 10% hanlding to 20%.

[tulip charm]

eh

[blissful rampart]

i think those were the only examples they gave but did say (there are more, just check out the patch notes once they are live)

[tulip charm]

"We want to make the 3-piece bonus more enticing, while also making less utilized mechanics more relevant"

what does that last part mean?

[blissful rampart]

also mentioned Intimidate being buffed BUT were not clear if it was pvp only or pve also (stacking changing to 3 per second instead of 1/s and changed the max stacks (dont remember to what though)

[tulip charm]

tbh that sounds more of a pve buff

[blissful rampart]

TLDR: their entire goal for the pve balance pass was "buff the weak/ underused stuff so they can become usable"

[tulip charm]

a whole meta shift sounds pretty refreshing ngl

[blissful rampart]

not sure if it will shift the meta tbh, depends how they buff the weak stuff

[tulip charm]

yeah

[blissful rampart]

IE buff and the gila regen to 3% changes nothing for pve meta.

[tulip charm]

fair

[cursive gull]

Im wondering for my striker build if i should use an LMG like the GR9 to build up stacks or if its better to use an SMG in secondary

[flint wave]

why such big armor regen

[tulip charm]

or use an acs-12

[blissful rampart]

because its and "easy quick " balance pass just to double the number

[tulip charm]

xd

hopefully the pts has all those changes

[flint wave]

Can't wait for tbe 10% armor regen build

on youtube

[tulip charm]

pvp sounds very interesting

[cursive gull]

mainly play solo so probably wouldnt work

[tulip charm]

Doesnt stop you from using it as it provides good damage and tons of stacks

but a vector with unwavering or something like that is the next best option ig

[flint wave]

use the mop

acs is just stacks

[tulip charm]

that can work

OH RIGHT

[flint wave]

Surely a gr9 can give you 200 stacks pretty easily

[tulip charm]

Arent there aok 2/3p brand bonuses? 👀

[blissful rampart]

its not just stacks, also high dps.

yes check the sheet

[tulip charm]

i wonder if they're gonna touch those bonuses

[magic pilot]

Both pvp and pve

[blissful rampart]

nope

[magic pilot]

Yes

[blissful rampart]

the intimidate change was NOT clear as to if pvp or pve.

[magic pilot]

Yes it was

It's in the pvp gear changes

[flint wave]

lol

[blissful rampart]

not what i said...

[magic pilot]

Tsk

[flint wave]

just power spike the players already

[blissful rampart]

HOL up notes are up already??? i didnt know that. was going off the vod info.

[tulip charm]

Wtf

[flint wave]

Mods don't check announcments

[magic pilot]

Lmaoo

[onyx sage]

😔

[blissful rampart]

HOW DARE YOU.. but also fair lol

[magic pilot]

https://www.ubisoft.com/en-us/game/the-division/the-division-2/news-updates/4nCvudIbhKyqzMT1PTfup9/project-resolve

[onyx sage]

or shorter, https://thedivision2.com/project-resolve

[magic pilot]

Lady death and bighorn change sounds interesting

[magic pilot]

I just copy paste, idk how to do fancy links lmao

[flint wave]

Ip grabbers everywhere👴

[onyx sage]

this is from announcements

[tulip charm]

wait

[magic pilot]

Not full patch notes either

[tulip charm]

whats swift again?

[magic pilot]

Just a summary

[magic pilot]

Old talent that's not in the game lmao

[onyx sage]

yeah we still need to gather info in pts

[flint wave]

azurmen spreadsheet updating is gonna wait

[tulip charm]

......

[magic pilot]

There's a perfect version

[flint wave]

[magic pilot]

From friend referral

[blissful rampart]

hmmmmm they have intimidate under PVP section but then have that pvp only note lulz sooo like... these being changed for pve too? its confusing

[flint wave]

are they gonna kill unbreakable

[tulip charm]

Its for both ig

[onyx sage]

yeah intimidate might affect pve too

[blissful rampart]

this pic is in the "pvp changes section"

[magic pilot]

"Makeshift repairs" process refinery" and "improved materials" idk what these even are

[tulip charm]

Bro

[blissful rampart]

i need to fully read (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[magic pilot]

Someone help me lmao

[flint wave]

Ninjabike is gonna be eating nicer with the 2pc 3pc brandsets coming

[onyx sage]

considering how intimidate wording is different in descent i think something's already going on

[tulip charm]

Doctor Home getting another change already is crazy

[magic pilot]

Makeshift repairs is foundary no?

[tulip charm]

yeah

[onyx sage]

sounds like foundry bp/chest talents?

[blissful rampart]

^^

[magic pilot]

So foundary is getting completely changed lol

[onyx sage]

no more tank builds woohoo

[tulip charm]

Maybe they're making tanks viable?

[magic pilot]

1 is the 4 pc one is chest one is bp?

[blissful rampart]

GC and PGC is already balanced. no idea why they are even changing it tbh ....

[magic pilot]

Buffing maybe?

[tulip charm]

Why?

[blissful rampart]

^^

[magic pilot]

To make new players want to use it, or maybe a rebalance?

So it's not as punishing

[blissful rampart]

GC needs nore buffs OR nerfs its already balanced.

[magic pilot]

I agree

Obliterate nerf incoming

Double comp is gonna come back in pvp lol

Or comp chest/vigi

[blissful rampart]

"and address some balancing issues" .... then list both obliterate and GC hahahah 🤦‍♂️ both of which are balanced and not "issues"

[magic pilot]

Focus meta

It's also interesting that for some talents only perfect version is changing

Mechanical animal and the p90

Doctor home again

[tulip charm]

this its 3rd change?

[magic pilot]

Think so

[tulip charm]

lmao

[blissful rampart]

wait.... so if those are the only gear and weapon talents being changed.... this is a very poor balance pass.

[magic pilot]

By balance they mean nerfing everyone since expertise is easier lol

[blissful rampart]

.....my hype for this balance pass just jumped off a cliff man.

[magic pilot]

Apparently they fixed shield peeking as well

Which was thought to not be possible

[blissful rampart]

im actually okay with that fix tbh. (even for pve)

was cool BUT like come on.... let you shoot through walls.

[magic pilot]

Depends entirely on how they fixed it

[blissful rampart]

probably "sight is now lined up with the gun like normal"

[magic pilot]

If it's some wonky like half ass patch where you can't pull a shield out near a wall

[blissful rampart]

OR they may have gone the easy fix "can not use scope while using shield"

[wise swallow]

i have zero idea what their gonna do to unbreakable

their either gonna make it shit, or even stronger

[magic pilot]

That would be ideal because then I'm gonna run an 8x on all my guns

[blissful rampart]

said on stream. its nerfed by 10% for pvp

[magic pilot]

Nerf in pvp definitely

[magic pilot]

So 40/50% ?

[blissful rampart]

yes

[magic pilot]

Still worth

[shadow gorge]

i asked on copilot a build for regulus and sniper and have found a reply about it xD

[wise swallow]

reducing red build survivability is not something i think was needed but

[shadow gorge]

the ia is insane XD

[magic pilot]

They mentioned ctar is getting a buff as well right?

[magic pilot]

It's only in pvp

[wise swallow]

yes

[blissful rampart]

dont remember which Ar examples they gave

[wise swallow]

im talking about PVP

[magic pilot]

I'm not even gonna ask lol

[shadow gorge]

the pvp is good the regulus with achilles? or sniper rifle

[wise swallow]

assuming the meta hasnt changed (which it really hasnt). sniper builds (besides nemmy) are kind of a waste/only usable for certain teams

unbreakable change makes no sense but this is division

i wish we had a longer TTK meta

[tulip charm]

achiles in pvp is a wack

regulus is used in bulwark hsd/has pro build in pvp tho

[shadow gorge]

wait you mean not is good achilles?

not have understand honestly 😄

[tulip charm]

achiles no good

[shadow gorge]

and with regulus what is used?

and what is hsd? headshot?

[tulip charm]

yes

[shadow gorge]

i have headshot build yes

is all?

[tulip charm]

@magic pilot do you have a reg pvp build?

[magic pilot]

Yes

There's quite a few

[tulip charm]

hook the brother up with one

[magic pilot]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwBgtMDsbsYMwyeFy0oFwFZoBYkBMCYBcq56yG84+sx8AHJRaxrnMPvmS3+ewBsYXLRL8JmAj0Q9JkjK3khFy9BlBFZRVMAJE9iNiqXHlQA

Super easy to farm for

[crimson niche]

In darkzone im making 88k damage, any tips for boost the damage?

[magic pilot]

What's the blue rolls on gloves and bp?

Swap knees for fox

[shadow gorge]

over the head shot with regulus with high end other tips? the schield?

[magic pilot]

Big shield

[shadow gorge]

the pvp the schield large have good durability?

with 11 expertise also

now 13 😄

[magic pilot]

Not really but it's necessary

[shadow gorge]

thx 🙂

[magic pilot]

Np

@blissful rampart how does chatterbox stack up to other smg with Dtooc?

[solar berry]

dtooc stacks with everything, if not most

for weapons, it stacks with dps

[magic pilot]

That's not what I mean lol

[solar berry]

My b

[magic pilot]

All good

[stiff jasper]

Fox
Farm a better gloves

[slate wedge]

Contractors or Punch Drunk on Headshot Striker with Dodge City

[wise swallow]

Everything should be specd into CHC and CHD. headshots are a easy way to increase dmg ofc. use contractors.

[magic pilot]

Punch

[wise swallow]

I suspect crusader shield would be valueable on console

[magic pilot]

No lol

[wise swallow]

why

[shy willow]

Cuz shields disorient you when they go down

Id imagine

[wise swallow]

when body shots are more common eating some body shots would be nice

[wise swallow]

they disorient you?

[shy willow]

When theyre destroyed yes

[wise swallow]

they actually apply disorient now? or are you talking about the small amount of aim punch they give

[shy willow]

You actually get disoriented

[onyx sage]

you haven't played for a while

or you would've known how shields disorient on break

[vagrant pollen]

best bacjkpack for hunters fury?

[wise swallow]

i played 2 days ago

i guess i was just too stupid to notice

[vagrant pollen]

Not memento?

[glad heart]

You can run Memento yes. The grupo/ceska is very flexible however, and Memento is the end all to be all

[vagrant pollen]

Have you got a link to the ideal sets and weapons?

[glad heart]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=dac488ca-a827-b49b-7b65-917751756b2c&noteKey=bf5edc877964a987205b04cc6ddda64a&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2Fdac488ca-a827-b49b-7b65-917751756b2c%2Fbf5edc877964a987205b04cc6ddda64a&title=Hunters%2BFury%2B%2528TU19%2529

[vagrant pollen]

Ty so what HB build would you recommend for just pure CD CC and DPS

[glad heart]

Personally I wouldn't

[vagrant pollen]

What would you do?

Cause atm i only red cores

[glad heart]

I run a full red DPS build, with AR and shotgun

[vagrant pollen]

So you dont use HB?

[glad heart]

I used it for a while, but building stacks and keeping them, is a PITA

[vagrant pollen]

I want a build thats just loads of damage cause i see loads of people just shredding bosses and hunters in countdown with ease and im taking a few mags to kill normla elites

[glad heart]

Full red dps build, 3 Providence, 1 piece Grupo, Fox's prayer, and a Fenris Chest. BP vigilance, Chest unbreakable. 58.5CHC, 202.5CHD

For an AR

there are variations on the red dps build

[vagrant pollen]

i see have you got a link with that build on on this site? https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/

[glad heart]

I am also running St Elmo's

[glad heart]

The link here is not the same as what I run. What I run is actually stronger... just sayin

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=47f32f03-af5c-e3c1-2150-a94d6bb56701&noteKey=A5LVlCMWSOmwqf7NVMq25eNy_6mvv7S017MY-E8wkp2PUN0YTtAjn8M1jg&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2F47f32f03-af5c-e3c1-2150-a94d6bb56701%2FA5LVlCMWSOmwqf7NVMq25eNy_6mvv7S017MY-E8wkp2PUN0YTtAjn8M1jg&title=Raid%2BBuild%2BCollection

[vagrant pollen]

Any chance you could make your exact build on that site i linked and share it if possible please

Sick of having trouble killing enemies then dying all the time cause i only have 600k armor

[glad heart]

You in a clan?

[vagrant pollen]

Yh but only just me and my mate i can leave for the time being

[glad heart]

what is your in game handle?

[vagrant pollen]

Rxsist.

[glad heart]

Copy, give me two minutes or so

[vagrant pollen]

Appreciate it a lot bro

[glad heart]

request in ubiconnect

[vagrant pollen]

loading it up now

[glad heart]

copy

continue this there this is off topic

[vagrant pollen]

Didnt get a request whats your name @glad heart

[glad heart]

it came from HunterKD25

[vagrant pollen]

sent one

[glad heart]

got it