td2-build-advice

[quasi geyser]

its coming out to
CHC1 x CHD1 = 8232
CHC2 x CHD2 = 8100
so i should go with the first one

[vestal ibex]

The highest one yeah.

[quasi geyser]

okay thanks

[dreamy valve]

What’s the next best dps loadout if they ever nerf strikers for incursion

[shy willow]

They never will nerf strikers

[onyx sage]

HB?

[flint wave]

does the efficient talent increase the range of the survivalist and technician armor kit?

[tawdry flare]

I think yes

[bronze hound]

They only nerfed that cuz it was bugged

[bronze hound]

That's not gonna happen

They buffed it for a reason lol

[flint wave]

How r they gonna nerf it anyway
always lose 2-3 stacks?

[bronze hound]

Missed shots deplete stacks

[astral kraken]

SSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[flint wave]

hotshot treatment

[bronze hound]

• change amp to twd

[flint wave]

👎

[bronze hound]

That's literally what it used to be tho

[astral kraken]

the dark times

[flint wave]

ok boomer

[bronze hound]

Not div 1 div 2

[flint wave]

👴

[hexed steppe]

Nego. It's on par with strikers if used properly.

[onyx sage]

for incursion not really

single target dps is required more, for mobbing content for sure though

[hexed steppe]

Pgc and vig on it will hit pretty hard

[onyx sage]

without the crit dmg stacks it pretty much has the same dps as high end

[hexed steppe]

Except with better add control if needed

[onyx sage]

yeah, i know nego is strong, just within incursion if they both nerf HB and striker which are the top single target sets in this game everything is actually balanced 🤣

if they nerf striker they have to nerf HB too

[hexed steppe]

No oreo on hb

[onyx sage]

that would actually be more balanced

[hexed steppe]

Also no elmo or famas

[flint wave]

with pgc you will GET hit pretty hard🤢

[onyx sage]

eh police m4 still very competitive

i hate to mention kingbreaker but close range in incursion is viable so

[hexed steppe]

I'm gonna assume there will be a healer in incursion. If not can just go oblit

[flint wave]

doesn't negotiator not work to begin with In incur?

or just bosses

[hexed steppe]

High doubt hb will rise again in a post striker nerf world.
People too caught up in that oreo damage.
Or too caught up in that elmo being highly balanced.
Hb was a headache 💯 ... I think it would be a combo of Hf/nego/he

[hexed steppe]

No clue. Itll work on adds I imagine

[onyx sage]

it still works on bosses, just not during immune phases

[astral kraken]

Someone correct me but nego should be critting for like 750k. A high-end probably like 850k. That should be enough DPS to handle all bosses up to Lovebirds. With Lovebirds as long as someone has sledge/opportunistic/poison then the team will have enough DPS to kill them both in one go.

[vestal ibex]

Pretty sure marks don't work on bosses in the incursion at all

[spare gull]

Not sure why nerf is needed. Cant tell how many people don't manage stacks properly.

[astral kraken]

Reason I can say that confidently is with all meta loadouts the bosses die fast.

So if you go lower it'll just be a bit slower.

[hexed steppe]

Its theoretical, not planned or anything

[onyx sage]

i see, good to know

[vestal ibex]

I thought it was dumb but love birds would be op like that.

[onyx sage]

so you can't negotiate with incursion bosses...

[spare gull]

local - so I gathered... but since it takes some skill to do properly not sure why its unbalanced. The regulus achilles 1 shot was cool, but 1 shotting bosses not fun lol

[astral kraken]

😐

[vestal ibex]

Considering it's 700 mil and 400 mil that world be too perfect.

[hexed steppe]

Too bad nego got prenerfed for incursion then 🤣

[vestal ibex]

I figure they would just implement no nego marks on named enemies.

[spare gull]

unloading on multiple enemies with nego and rock n roll was fun 😄

[flint wave]

maybe it's like hunters and they aren't considered named

[forest forum]

This is available in DZ east vendor. Get that 10% health damage!

[flint wave]

oh hell no

[thick wren]

What Ninja Bike part gives me +1 any gear set more

[round zinc]

Backpack

[dreamy valve]

Div 2 devs don’t follow balancing logic. Who knows what they’ll change with Striker in the future

[bronze hound]

They do

[merry stone]

lately they been following op gear/weapon and nerf later strategy used often by others games

[dreamy valve]

I guess its just easier to nerf than redo older gear to bring them up to stronger ones that they would be competing against

[merry stone]

its also to lure people for new content, cod/bf/loads of other games. they dangle bait

div 2 devs are just not ruthless about it

[rich cosmos]

I would say thats not the case

Notably the existence of shocker punch and ironlung

[silk elbow]

My assault turret is shooting around 170k. Is that good?

Empress 3pc + hana-u 2pc + wyvern 1pc

[bronze hound]

How

[gusty slate]

huh cannot post link to a build I thought up

[flint wave]

use image

[gusty slate]

thoughts on this potential build: 2 Grupo, Strategic Alignment backpack, Sacrifice chest, Waveform, and Deathgrips. Demo spec using Arty and B-52 drone as skills for explosive's galore

[flint wave]

no

wave form and deathgrips?

[gusty slate]

6 skill tier needs some form of healing

[flint wave]

use the mop

[gusty slate]

everything based around explosive damage

Surge and Test Subject as weapons to eek out more damage

Since Contractors doesn't work on Drone + Turret, Deathgrips seemed to be the best option for Gloves with Waveform taking the exotic slot

[flint wave]

contractors works on mortar

it works with explosive damage in general

[hazy steeple]

A lot of links are autoblocked, it's usually down to an unfortunate chain of letters.

[flint wave]

and yet free nitro links won't get auto deleted😔

[gusty slate]

oh I thought only Oxy got the advantages of DTTOC and DTA

[flint wave]

Oxy is the only one that gets dtoc benefit

[gusty slate]

ah

[hazy steeple]

You only see the ones that do make it through.

[flint wave]

true

[hazy steeple]

Demo Firefly according to the spreadsheet works with dtooc as well, which I did not know.

[gusty slate]

what about Burster Firefly?

[hazy steeple]

The "skill info" page on the spreadsheet has them all listed.

[gusty slate]

it's an odd one considering that half the time the bomb's from it auto detonate without proximity to another

[flint wave]

it explodes

that's for sure

[gusty slate]

yea but I'm talking about the "conditions" for the burster bombs to explode aren't really obvious, yes the in-game description says if two are in proxy to each other but then you have observed cases where they detonate without being in proxy to another burster bomb

it's really confusing

[flint wave]

I think it's a timer

[gusty slate]

I thought that too but when using it in Descent sometimes it'll auto detonate as soon as it is attached and other times it'll remain even after the enemy it is attached to has died

I'm assuming that there is a specific if/then condition that should explain the behavior that isn't explicity stated in-game

[rapid otter]

i gotta ask on how you guys are doing 500k-2m+ in heroic

even with my attributes and talents i still barely reach 500k

[tawdry flare]

Depends on weapon and gearset

[tawdry flare]

Strikers give the highest DMG numbers for ars/smg consistently

[rapid otter]

how do you make strikers?

[flint wave]

you earn strikers

[tawdry flare]

strikers Build

[flint wave]

in countdown

oh

[tawdry flare]

Oh oh ohhh

[flint wave]

[rapid otter]

Now I see what strikers means but yea I’m running that

[tawdry flare]

But your choice of brands set is not good

[shy willow]

Why do people recently in here all seem to be running sawyers

[rapid otter]

emphasize

[tawdry flare]

You need to change the chest with a ceska and obliterate talent

[rapid otter]

easy damage

[shy willow]

It has a blue core and blue attributes

[rapid otter]

the talent

[shy willow]

Same reason people don't use catharsis for dps

[flint wave]

The blues aren't the problem

[shy willow]

It has a blue core

[tawdry flare]

Also sawyers knees you need to sit there bloody knuckle will give nice boost and easier to maintain than sawyers but both are forcing to change your playstyle

[flint wave]

the blue core isn't the problem

[shy willow]

That and you have to sit still

[flint wave]

it's just on the wrong build

[shy willow]

Sawyers I've only seen on sniper builds on IH

[flint wave]

tank lol

legendary and IH tank use it I think

definitely legendary

[tawdry flare]

Your primary weapon that is chameleon needs changing to famas or elmos

[shy willow]

People tank on legendary?

[flint wave]

PFE mods

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[shy willow]

Or is it a PFE thing

Ohhhhhhh

[rapid otter]

I’m trying to get the Elmo but where would I get the chest piece with obliterate?

[shy willow]

Ceska target loot/chest target loot if you just want the talent for your recal library

[rapid otter]

Perfect

[shy willow]

Run countdown

[rapid otter]

I have been

[shy willow]

Your loot isn't gonna get better running a mission instead

Loot volume in countdown is crazy high

[rapid otter]

So just pickup everything and hope for the best?

[shy willow]

Keep anything with attributes and talents then aren't in your library junk everything else

[rapid otter]

Kk

[shy willow]

Keep any CHC/CHD obliterate ceska/grupo chests too obviously

[rapid otter]

What are chc/chd full name?

[flint wave]

coyotes can drop coyotes mask

8% chance on heroic I think

[rapid otter]

Where do I find her

I forgor

[flint wave]

the mission you were about to play

[rapid otter]

Oh

The o my issue is I can’t do heroic by myself

[flint wave]

idk the challenging droprates

[shy willow]

Slightly worse

[shy willow]

Better off in challenging countdown for loot

[rapid otter]

talking about for coyotr

[shy willow]

Coyote's is loot

[rapid otter]

exotics drop from countdown?

[shy willow]

You have to run through the whole thing to get a small chance of dropping coyote's versus a huge amount of loot from countdown each run and also getting enough currency to buy exotic caches every two runs

[shy willow]

Yes

[rapid otter]

hmm im just unlucky

[shy willow]

It'll drop sooner or later

[rapid otter]

so i just need the ceska chest piece the coyote mask and the striker kneepads

except i havent gotten a single striker item from countdown

[tawdry flare]

Yeah also you can substitute an ar like M4/famas if you don't have elmos

[tawdry flare]

You have to select the loot first in countdown

[rapid otter]

you can do that

im sorry about the obvious questions im obviously new and slow

[tawdry flare]

No worries obvious question are the best questions

[tawdry flare]

The targetted loot in summit is shared with countdown

[rapid otter]

also what does the obliterate perk do?

[tawdry flare]

So if you change the targeted loot in summit it is changed in countdown as well

[tawdry flare]

Critical hit increase total weapon DMG by 1% stacks upto 25times and lasts for 5s

[rapid otter]

hmm

So should I just run this but keep my lefty?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah also if you don't have a coyote you can get a groupo mask with chc/chd also elmos is not necessary you can go for famas m4 as an alternate with 3rd attribute as DMG to Target out of cover

[rapid otter]

ok

All also if I want to get the coyote mask, should I set my targeted loop to masks?

[shy willow]

Yep

Exotics target type, just about everything else is brand

[rapid otter]

What about me being weak as fudge

[shy willow]

They'll carry you

[rapid otter]

i mean once i get all my pieces i only have like 700k armro

[shy willow]

On heroic it'll get chewed through almost instantly anyway

[rapid otter]

oh

[shy willow]

Trick is killing everything before it kills you

[rapid otter]

ok

[rapid otter]

would the momento be a good alternative to the coyote?

[shy willow]

Memento falls off in group play and strikers is best run with the backpack

In short no

[rapid otter]

ok

im already doing 500k+ well up to 1.2m

[rapid otter]

is obliterate on the ceska chest piece rare?

cuz i cant seem to get one

[fallen comet]

just being unlucky

[rapid otter]

whats new

[rapid otter]

Only took a couple of hours to get to this point

Ow I just need an Elmo’s and higher level attributes

[fallen comet]

jeez youre at 100 mods already? :)

[rapid otter]

I get tons from countdown

And I can’t even use half of em

@fallen comet lmao right after

[fallen comet]

make sure it has dtoc

[rapid otter]

Yep

Not the best but still pretty decent

[fallen comet]

dtoc needs 2 optimizations, health needs 1, ar damage needs 1.5

gonna be a little expensive for an shd 50 player

[rapid otter]

How do I get true sons tac assess quickly?

[fallen comet]

if you have the blueprint craft it, if not do true son bounties and kill the boss asap

[rapid otter]

You can craft the optimized materials?

[fallen comet]

you can

[rapid otter]

Misspell but dope

[rich lotus]

Got Emeline's guard with that skill that makes you regen 12% armor with each kill, should I stick with it

[hexed steppe]

nah

p90 is kinda not great

[patent fossil]

Might have to farm a hundred cp3s to get the blueprint though

[rapid otter]

Cp3s?

[hexed steppe]

challenging control points

[patent fossil]

Control points level 3 or 4 drop blueprints

[rapid otter]

Oh

These acronyms are confusing lol

[rich lotus]

Will change it when I get another gold then

[patent fossil]

But it's a big pool of drops so it might take a while

[hexed steppe]

make sure to do at least 2 in heroic so you can get closer and setup blueprints from the yellow cache

[fallen comet]

while you still can

[hexed steppe]

what are you using for a build?

[rich lotus]

For now whatever I can find, just unlocked the black tusks after all

I will prioritize driving them out

Next to it I have a yellow saiga

[hexed steppe]

oic, yeah in that case just use best available for early game. if p90 is best use it till you find better. after the warlords dlc is when real build making begins

[rich lotus]

I don't have the warlords dlc lol will get it at the next sale

[hexed steppe]

good deal 👍

[rich lotus]

Base game was dirt cheap so I just got it

[hazy steeple]

@rich lotus It regularly goes for 70% off, sometimes higher.
xmas sales should have it.

[brazen elbow]

how could i make this build better? (lefty for building stacks, burnout as main)

[rich lotus]

yeah thankfully

[hazy steeple]

Change Grupo to a Ceska piece, this is pretty much the case for every version of the build. Unless you remove Coyotes, then still keep Ceska but add Grupo as a replacement.
If you're running it in Incursion/Legendary, then Strikers chest is great, if not, Ceska Obliterate chest and still Coyotes.

Outside of that you're pretty much golden, although I like Burnout some people argue that a regular high-end is "more meta", but it's splitting hairs at that point.

[urban latch]

All those blue attributes should be crit damage

[brazen elbow]

i know

i mean im nowhere near getting all red attributes

even more so with maxing them all out

[brazen elbow]

i mean i got all the main ones to be 15% weapon dmg

[brazen elbow]

how do i get the crit chance then?

[hazy steeple]

You can recalibrate a single stat on each item, but in the case of Striker, you're better off just farming out new pieces.

since Striker comes with red by default, there's a higher chance of the attributes being red too.

With Coyotes on, your chc (crit chance) should be about 50%, put as much into CHD as you can.
(CHC mods on your gun, +20 mag size. CHD mods on your gear)

[urban latch]

Well just on that single screen shot we don't know what/if he recalibrated to know if he needs to farm more pieces

If you recal'ed weapon damage on any of the pieces, them you'll need to replace those

[hazy steeple]

Even so, a bit of extra farming for Striker is only going to help in the long term. Gearset farms when the attributes match the core are remarkably fast.

[brazen elbow]

î dont got the mag size

[hazy steeple]

CP's (Control Points) at Lvl 3/4 (challenging or heroic, same BP loot pool). You'll need to do them eventually.

[brazen elbow]

(backpack)

gloves

kneepads

holster

[hazy steeple]

No need to post them all, any you've recalibrated the core attribute is going to be junk.

[brazen elbow]

well what do i do with them then?

[hazy steeple]

mark as junk, donate to Expertise/proficiency.

make sure you remove mods from them first.

[brazen elbow]

aight

i also wanted to make a good sniper build, how would i do that? i know hotshot gearset but what else

[hazy steeple]

Once you get pieces that are all set up, put chc mods on your gun+chd on your gear and ping either of us your stats page with the burnout equipped (swap weapons in the menu)

[slate nest]

should i change the sokolov?
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwDgtMYAxgjB1E2U1yBcBmSnH0iPCsWklgCxi4z5giQmNrrnyyWRGlOPrACcVPNxG9QQzqKkZgAdhiy4sAGxx+q2P0WbwmwSWV8ArEbh5l4YDCMFTB9D2npDj4g+nQgA

[real ruin]

main talent in a sniper build is the headhunter talent (chestpiece)

[brazen elbow]

already got that

[brazen elbow]

define "pieces that are all set up"

[hazy steeple]

Your chc total needs to be about 50%, although below 55ish is fine too. Don't go below, is what I mean.
your chd should be as high as you can get it. Over 100 minimum.

[real ruin]

what sniper do you have?

[hazy steeple]

Your SHD watch will give you +10% chc and +20% chd once its maxed out, so don't stress too much right now.

[brazen elbow]

currently Nemesis and The White Death

[brazen elbow]

yeah thats gonna be kind of hard

[hazy steeple]

Well technically you don't even need it maxed out, just those stats to full.
just focus on levelling up CHC with it for now, it's the most important stat in there by far.

[brazen elbow]

so what stats should i prioritise on my gearset?

[real ruin]

I'm guessing you already have determined on the white death?

[hazy steeple]

Well once the chc from the watch is done, it's what, 15% from mods, 10% from the watch, you should only need about 25% after that unless I'm forgetting something.
(5% from each mod slot on the gun, final one is always +mag size)

[brazen elbow]

nope

[real ruin]

go for that, gonna make it MUCH easier to chain headshots, as bodyshots will count as headshots

[brazen elbow]

sounds fun

[real ruin]

other than that, I'd go for full HSD on all my items, use an Airaldi backpack for +10% MRD and ideally Chainkiller (for the extra 5% weapon damage, perfect headhunter is just a bonus)

My personal build (sadly haven't gotten a white death with DTOC), also ignore the mantis and pistol, just leveling them up

oh, and put vigilance on the backpack for the extra 25% damage

[hazy steeple]

Hotshot is also pretty much the only gearset where you can realistically only have 3 pieces and still be quite powerful.
The last piece is usually something like Contractors, Foxs Knees, etc.

[real ruin]

for group clearing I find the 4th piece a massive help, not having to reload is quite nice

[hazy steeple]

IIRC the majority of peope running it on 3pcs are doing so for the Stability hitting 100, which on MMR's means no missed shots. (aka: no weapon sway)

I still like Aces better, even though it's pretty much just worse at this point.

[real ruin]

haven't had much issue with weapon sway, the time lost by waiting an extra second is offset with not having to reload (in my personal experience)

[real ruin]

I kind of want to give it a try, seems like a fun set

[hazy steeple]

It's a remarkably odd gearset

After 5 cards are flipped, the damage of your next shot is amplified by 30%. 
More shots are enhanced the better the hand revealed. 
Four of a Kind: 4 shots
Full House: 3 shots
Aces and Eights: 2 shots. 
Flip an additional card on headshots."```

[vestal ibex]

Really the reason hot shot is used is because it's the largest stats gained per parts used as no other high end parts offer better stats. It's just a high-end build really.

Also with how alpha damage works and head hunters talent you have a much lower entry point to the build working and can trade off for QOL talents and stats like weapon handling Rivens mentioned. I personally do this because of the swap/reload/recoil management and 0 weapon sway.

[tawdry flare]

Yeah no doubt 54% handling from gear pcs is insane especially for snipers assuming 321

[manic stream]

I am looking for info on chc, chd. I'm a returning agent at shd ~200 ish. My question is what is the cap if one for chc? What about chd? Is there any mods or gear that ignores the cap? You don't have to explain it all but if you have a direction to send me in to find this I'd be one happy agent. Thank you.

[fallen comet]

chc is capped at 60 and theres no way to go above it

chd isnt capped

[manic stream]

👍👍👍👍 thank you!

[hazy steeple]

Actually there are ways to go above it, but only if an item states "guaranteed critical hit".
usually just like 1-2 exotics.

[fallen comet]

actually riven's right. certain talents like the agonizing bite (diamondback exotic rifle) might offer 100% CHC for a short time

[patent fossil]

Diamondback and the two weapons with perfect determined can give guaranteed crits but sadly all are based on sub par weapons so not actually very good

[manic stream]

I wanted to make a chc/chd build. Any recommendations for where to start with gear or guns?

I think umbra was one I had an eye on

[patent fossil]

Strongest ones at the moment are strikers and negotiators, umbra isn't too far behind though

[real ruin]

actually wasn't aware that 60 was the cap, thanks!

I must've messed up my build big time

[glad heart]

Providence, Grupo, Ceska, Fenris, AR, shotgun for brand set builds...

[manic stream]

Striker seems a bit played out since div 1 I'd like to stay away from meta

I appreciate you all agents.

[heavy raptor]

May be a stupid question. Im still new to the game and was wondering if theres a dps buffer support build. On some rare occasions in countdown my dmg 10x and was just curious if it were due to someone on the team or the modifiers.

[fallen comet]

theres a modifier that increases close range damage

[fallen comet]

(middle row)

[heavy raptor]

Ah ok thank you. Sort of interesting though how I go from doing around 1.8mill dps to 7+mill although its only a 25% buff

[fallen comet]

but also it could be a team damage buff. someone could have been running future initiative gear set (FI) with opportunistic backpack talent

[fallen comet]

probabely a combo of the countermeasure and team buffs

[sharp ferry]

Does anyone know whether "Rate of Fire" applies to skills like the Drone & Turret?

[urban latch]

it doesnt

[sharp ferry]

shame 😦

[urban latch]

it does apply to skills you shoot, like oxy though

[sharp ferry]

i was wondering whether to try a strikers skill build, but I won't if that's the case xD

will stick with my Sacrifice / Chainkiller skill builds 🙂

[dreamy valve]

Does artificer hive expertise levels increase skill damage?

[hazy steeple]

hey @urban latch whilst you're here, is there a particular reason that Pestilence doesn't "work" with Striker?

Or is it just a "div2 quirks" thing?

[bronze hound]

wdym by doesnt work

[last dragon]

@real ruin @fallen comet

hahahahahaha it is mineeeeee

[fallen comet]

Bad news it sucks

[last dragon]

it might suck

but its MY suck c:<

[bronze hound]

no he means it

[real ruin]

CONGRATS

[last dragon]

doesnt matter 🥲 it was the first exotic i ever got in Div 2 back when i used to play

it has a place in my heart

lol

i got 3 exotics that run
pestilence
Bullet King
another Pestilence

like waiting for a bus, none for hours then 2 come at once

[rich lotus]

just crafted my first famas... is this any good, wtf is this

why you gotta be so complicated ubi

that fast hands you guys mentioned, where do i get that?

[hazy steeple]

Guns Talents are RNG, so just keep on farming it out to get what you want.
Ideally you want to get a Famas that has dtooc (damage to target out of cover) as the 3rd attribute, so you can change the Talent yourself.

Fast Hands/Strained are the "top 2" good ones overall.

[rich lotus]

no point doing that yet, i am world level 3

[rich lotus]

i want fast hands

[hazy steeple]

Oh then yeah don't worry about, literally every loot piece (except Exotics) you pick up will be junk by end of WONY.

[rich lotus]

yeah i wont be playing that for months, stuck with this for now ig unless i find a famas somehow

i hope there is a drum magazine in this game, extended one looks bad

[hazy steeple]

+20 is as big as they get for all guns but pistols/lmg/mmr.

[rich lotus]

but is it a drum magazine

[hazy steeple]

There are no drum magazines in div2 outside of guns that already have them on by default, which I think is just the m203 nade launcher and I guess you could count the acs-12.

You really don't notice weapon mods that much. Pretty much all guns in div2 are modded the same anyway: crit chance (chc) mods on every slot, biggest mag size you can get.

same as dtooc always being the 3rd attribute you want, except where it's already on LMG's, there most people use fire-rate.

[rich lotus]

m203 is drum mag?

[hazy steeple]

Well it's a big round looking thing, I really don't know guns IRL. I'm not american.

[tall lodge]

Figured I'd try this build out for fun while helping a friend complete the story,, so I'm vastly overlevelled. My question is, would this build also work in the endgame? So far playing on challenging, normally with 4 striker pieces.

[rich lotus]

i am using whichever mod looks coolest tbh lol havent been using any crit ones, like for example i am using a suppressor on famas rn cuz it looks cool

pretty much maxed out stability

[hazy steeple]

Use whatever you like before Lvl 40, but at endgame using the cool looking mods is going to kneecap your build a fair bit.

[rich lotus]

ah i dont even have crit attachments

[hazy steeple]

just work on finishing the game right now, you can farm out the Lvl 3/4 (challenging and heroic) CP's when you're done.

[tall lodge]

You mean me?

[hazy steeple]

Toasty, although that is good advice overall.

[tall lodge]

gotcha

[hazy steeple]

In your case;
Ninjabike backpack is really not useful at all in the endgame, it's a shame but yeah, it takes up a backpack slot and that is probably the highest damage source on a lot of builds.
also, if your focus is Strikers you really do need a gun that can build up stacks on it and the mp5 really isn't it.

[rich lotus]

finishing the game as in driving out black tusks?

any point in continuing or will my grind be irrelevant once i get WONY

[hazy steeple]

Well finishing the game as in reaching World Tier 5, then doing the last few missions on story before then travelling to NYC.

that's if you care about the story.

[tall lodge]

My focus on this build is True Patriot, figured id pack the two strikers because i dont have any other stuff in those categories, and the additonal ROF is fun.
So my questiuon should be, is true patriot at all viable in the endgame? barely see anyone using it

[rich lotus]

i dont have WoNY right now though, wont i be done after i reach WR4

[tall lodge]

(didnt have a true patriot BP either so used the ninja one to finish out TP)

[hazy steeple]

World Tier 5 is the final one.
there's also a couple of missions that lead into the WONY story a bit better, the final one being Coney Island (both parts).

[tall lodge]

since it also made my striker count for 3 pieces its a nice coincidence

[hazy steeple]

I really don't see True Patriot a lot these days, but I mean, most builds can work fine in Heroic with enough practice.

[tall lodge]

right then

[hazy steeple]

maybe expect some funny looks if you try and take it to a harder activity though.

[tall lodge]

i supppose i have to figure out the best playstyle with it then

[tall lodge]

never did and never will do the raids or incursions if youre referencing that

too much social interaction 😂

[hazy steeple]

I'm pretty much solo too, but you absolutely can do them sans mic.

just let the team know that you're without one, most are cool with it.

[tall lodge]

interesting

well anyway, thanks a lot for the advice, appreciate it

:)

[hazy steeple]

No problem, it's what we're here for
oh if you need a hand ingame more, joining an active clan is a great idea. Free people to run stuff with.

[urban latch]

the amp damage from strikers doesnt apply to the pesti stacks, so your pesti ticks will do the same at 0 striker stacks vs 200

[rich lotus]

oh so i WILL go to NY before WoNY?

[urban latch]

depends on your definition of "work". I can solo a heroic mission with an intentionally bad build, but it doesnt mean it "works" imo

[last dragon]

knowing this makes me sad, but wont stop me from running it with my HB/Striker builds while im putting my others together

[magic pilot]

Striker is still the best way to use pesti

Building around the stacks ends up being less dmg than just building for normal dps

[hazy steeple]

Oh ta, I was more wondering if there was a specific math-y reason why, but I'll just assume there's not.
Cheers.

[urban latch]

that is a math reason though lol

[last dragon]

Pesti + Striker = no

there's the maths to it

[hexed steppe]

Well, the stacks dont apply to the tick, but your actual hits will be stronger. You could build in some buffs for pesti ticks like glass and vigilance

Obv not top damage

[last dragon]

atm i have the only high-end in my build as a holster

[hazy steeple]

I more meant how some stuff doesn't work because of an interaction with a mechanic, and other stuff just doesn't work because that's just how div2 is.
but if it's as simple as that, I am more than happy to take it.

[last dragon]

this is my trash build rn, just using it to farm pieces for the build I want

[hexed steppe]

Go with ceska obliterate (twd) or glass (amp) chest.
Move striker to where picaros is. You'll see better dps and slightly better tick damage

[last dragon]

I dont know if ill be staying with striker long enough to be worried about DPS
im kinda leaning towards a tankier Foundry build .-.

[flint wave]

it's always good to have a meta dps build in your loadouts

[last dragon]

would glass cannon work on a tankier build with armour regen? to buff out the damage and offset using more armour cores?

[flint wave]

no

[last dragon]

;-;

[flint wave]

armor cores by itself won't demolish ur damage output

its the gear

[last dragon]

then i got a lot to relearn .-.
now that chests/backpacks have the talents on them for gearsets its so weird making any sort of build without them as gear set

[astral kraken]

a foundry build is probably one of the worst early builds you can make

and it'll be one of your worst builds in the future too 😭

if you want some tankiness just take a recommended dps build and add a couple blue cores to it

or throw in a memento backpack for solo stuff

[flint wave]

definitely memento bag

[last dragon]

so if i run Ceska chest with Obli or GC
would it be worth running that with Heartbreaker for the extra 15% LMG damage? I do use pulse a lot (atm trying out the gunner banshee pulse and enjoying it)

[vestal pelican]

Looking for help to make a nice balanced build for solo play.

[astral kraken]

lmg + gc sounds like a bad idea lol

since you can't use a shield the second you start shooting you'll be dead

[last dragon]

ye i was thinking of going obliterate instead

[thick wren]

guys is it possible to get good stuff if u polay on challenging also

[onyx sage]

here's a tip: with full red builds, weapon damage bonuses are very minor compared to the rest of the build

unless you're doing a headhunter mmr build where weapon damage is one of the few things which scales HH well

so for example if you have to sacrifice some crit brands for some brand that gives you weapon damage, if it's a dps build most likely you will lose damage.

[last dragon]

i dont wanna do full red i dont think
big numbers fun dont get me wrong, but i cant have that fun if im getting 1 shot by everything because im all into damage .-. i wanna find a decent balance between red/blue to have some survivability

[onyx sage]

then you can do a dps hybrid, which would fit you better

[last dragon]

granted, a lot of my gameplay atm is in countdown farming for stuff, so enemies are a hell of a lot tougher and the hunters are punishing me for breathing their air or smth

[onyx sage]

countdown enemies deal even less damage than heroic fyi

they just are tough because they are tankier

[last dragon]

I feel like they do way more .-. i did a heroic mission a minute ago and it was a walk in the park compared to countdown, even when being shot by 3 people

[onyx sage]

which incentivizes you to deal damage rather than try to be tanky. in pve in general damage is always worth more, so try not to lose too much damage if you can help it

heroic enemies scale up or down with group size so if you're doing it solo you'll feel like it's easier of course

[last dragon]

i was thinking about a negotiators dilemma build because it would be funny to just spray groups and they all start dying 🥲

[onyx sage]

the real benchmark for a build imo is in heroic grouped, where enemies do scale up their damage and your build synergy is put to the test

[last dragon]

ahhh that makes more sense

[last dragon]

even when I used to play on Xbox it was always me and my 1 friend that played, now its me and a new friend on PC XD

[onyx sage]

last point is over time your skill will outscale the armor you put on. eventually you will feel the armor that you replace your red cores with to be the main bottleneck, and you survive easier by killing stuff faster. but that's for the future and something to keep in mind for now

trust me, if you play over a year you'll complain how easy this game gets

[last dragon]

thats what happened when I first played ;-; i just need to get back into it

and now being on mouse/keyboard i feel like im learning a whole new game even though I know most of the mechanics already

feels very strange

[rich lotus]

this the good stat?

[onyx sage]

yeah

[rich lotus]

nice

is swap speed reload speed or swapping to weapon speed?

[hexed steppe]

Weapon swap. But it's useless.

[silk elbow]

what weapons to use for cc eclipse with skills chem foam + blinder?

[rich lotus]

thought so, donated for mastery

though, just realized it had 7% assault rifle and 7% heath damage, should have added to library, fuck

[onyx sage]

nah, if it's not maxed, it's not worth adding

[rich lotus]

how do you max it out, do you just find a maxed one?

[onyx sage]

yeah

[hexed steppe]

Scorpio bis

[silk elbow]

bis?

[hexed steppe]

Best in slot

It will add other cc disorient/shock/poison and make target take 20% amp damage

Where will be main usage?

[silk elbow]

i want to play a support for cc

and let my teammates do good dmg

[hexed steppe]

Any mode?

[silk elbow]

we've not tried legendary yet

and heroics doesnt really need cc

so we're preparing for legendary

so im looking into cc

[hexed steppe]

This is what I use in cd. Status rolls instead of hazpro if not in cd

[magic pilot]

I wouldn't use blinder. You'll get more from emp sticky or jammer

[silk elbow]

is that everlasting gaze? whats mask and bp

[hexed steppe]

Probably acosta's bag for oc in legendary as well

[rich lotus]

what do those numbers on top left corner of items mean

[magic pilot]

Expertise

[silk elbow]

is lefty good?

[magic pilot]

Hot swap between creeping, Acosta and energize bp

[hexed steppe]

Opportunustic bag in mine. Mask is hazpro, use eletrique

[magic pilot]

I would use scorpio, and everlasting gaze for leg

[hexed steppe]

No everlasting tho. Scorpio/lefty

Or stage left. Mb

Gaze only effects initial skill hit, not spread tho

[silk elbow]

i dont have scorpio yet. do you chem foam -> gernade for lefty? is that good

i do have a lefty

[hexed steppe]

Survivalist. Fire nade

[silk elbow]

i see

[hexed steppe]

Survivalist also gives team 10% damage against any statused npc

[magic pilot]

And you can medkit for your team

Allows them to keep dealing dmg

[silk elbow]

is firm handshake still relevant? ive seen some old guides that mentioned it

[hexed steppe]

No

[silk elbow]

i see

electrique is much better yeah?

[hexed steppe]

Ig its about the same

But easier since yellow core

[silk elbow]

thanks for the advice guys

[magic pilot]

Electrique and golan are better options for full yellow status builds

And perfect creeping death

[true jasper]

anyone know any good smg damage knee pads

[hazy steeple]

It depends on the build that you're using.

[true jasper]

imma show you know

thats what am using right anythign i should change its all maxed

just want smg damage to the knee pads

[hazy steeple]

Oh strikers, easy.
first things first, are you using that build against super tanky enemies like in Incursion/Legendary/ etc?

[true jasper]

yes

i dont know what else is a good build to play with sorry

[hazy steeple]

Perfect. So, swap out the knees for Ceska brand, and probably that aug for a better AR although that last part is kinda your call.

[true jasper]

tbf i dont even use the aug i did it so i didnt use all my ar rounds haha and had a second gun to use whats a good one to use and thanks where can i find ceska brand from

[hazy steeple]

Basically, since the Ouroboros has such terrible range, you are only getting the 1st buff from Coyotes, which is not CHC. So that way, you can get your crit stats way higher, and still have your AR be useful too.

Countdown, challenging or heroic, Targeted Loot (TL): Ceska.

[true jasper]

thank you anything else ud say change

[hazy steeple]

Not that I can initially see, just make sure your crit stats are a bit higher than normal for your primary gun, since it needs to work with the AR too.
e.g. when you check your guns in the stats page, the AR should be 50-55, the CHD (crit damage) should be as much as you can possibly stack on in total. (break 120% if you can)

If it helps, your SHD watch will eventually give you a free 10% chc and 20% chd.

[true jasper]

i have a maxed out animal that be good

ye im not maxed on my watch

[hazy steeple]

yep shd 360, you are well on your way.

Mechanical Animal isn't really a traditional choice there, but the AR is only really for backup anyway.

[true jasper]

yeah i hardly use my 2nd haha and thank you

[last dragon]

for backpack talents
composure or vigilance?

[hazy steeple]

Vigilance is winner for DPS between the two, and pretty much overall on a high-end.

[last dragon]

oki doke

im just messing around with bits and pieces, was gonna grab a fenris backpack and put one of them on it for my elmo build
thinking of trying to find a fun balance with 3 gear set pieces and 3 high end

just not sure which gear set, stiker for RoF or HB for the 15% increase in dmg

I could also maybe do 2 HB for the 15% increase and then use coyotes mask or smth i dont know ;-;

I just want number go big but not die to 1 shot ;-;

[onyx sage]

reread: #td2-build-advice message

HB's 15% weapon specific damage isn't what you want to aim for

[last dragon]

would finding decent named pieces be better for it?
like right now with the high end pieces i want, i have striker mask on and striker knees

i have a fox's prayer with full dtooc rolled on it
and a punch drunk with max headshot
would they be better choices?

[onyx sage]

are you going for 4p of a gear set or not?

[last dragon]

not for this build

[onyx sage]

there's a high end dps build in the sheet

[flint wave]

the ninjabike one wins in pvp

ninjabike good now

[gilded flicker]

what times scope is st.elmo?

like a 2 x scope? 4 times scope? etc

[flint wave]

1

[gilded flicker]

ty

[full abyss]

What goes well with ongoing directive like status effect, gear?

[gentle lichen]

Lmao sokolov on that would've been much better than badger

But shit's still shit

[gentle lichen]

The first build doesn't even know what they're going for

[west kiln]

strikers is coyotes, foxes and 4p right?

[vestal ibex]

Strikers is a couple different ways depending on how you use it.

[west kiln]

ah

[vestal ibex]

Solo? Ceska chest with obliterate and coyotes.
Incursion? 1 person with Coyotes and a ceska-wear the striker chest and backpack.

There are even more small variations you can use that are going to be very similar.

[west kiln]

inchresting gotcha

i suppose im farming for ceska tmr

[silk elbow]

Does jammer pulse have the same effect as emp sticky

[shy willow]

Disrupt yes

[silk elbow]

Is there a reason to use sticky instead of jammer?

[bronze hound]

It lasts significantly longer

On legendary you can jam a warhound for like 20 seconds

[onyx sage]

jammer on t0 lasts like 2s

sticky on t0 lasts a good while longer

[vestal ibex]

Jammer T0

Sticky EMP T0

[bronze hound]

Sticky is just so much better

[silk elbow]

Is this better than creeping death in a team on heroics or legendary for a support cc

[shy willow]

Creeping death better for cc

[flint wave]

galvanize is a blue cored st elmos or scorpio talent

[vestal ibex]

50% of your armor as a CC character is almost nothing.

[silk elbow]

I see

[stiff jasper]

In pvp both of them have advantages

[gentle lichen]

Sticky for beautiful stagger

Can sometimes burst someone to death like that

But good players roll

[stiff jasper]

Mostly Stagger but not only

[gentle lichen]

Can jam even t6 at t0

Temporarily tho

[stiff jasper]

Yes, but some situations you still need emp pulse but not sticky

[gentle lichen]

Yeah

Jam through walls and stuff

But has limited use if not t3

[thick wren]

is tehre any tip forgetting Ninja Bike BackPack ?

[fallen comet]

Countdown with backpack TL

[peak palm]

pretty sure the easiest way would be running countdown or summit with backpacks

[thick wren]

where i can find some ppl to run summit or that countdown ? im trying to tget it so i can mega mix builds in the future

[peak palm]

just matchmake for it countdown is pretty much played well summit not so much, also countdown is faster regarding loot

[thick wren]

then ill try to do more countdown, ty for ur advices guys 🙂

[urban latch]

Forgetting about ninjabike backpack is the tip

[slate wedge]

is adrush ] intimidate good in the dz for a 6 vblue build?

[bronze hound]

not really

[magic pilot]

There are some really good players with it but it's hard to use

10k plus hour dz players

[gentle lichen]

Only in specific locations too

Dz south stairs namely

Or you can do the tech + chem combo

[slate wedge]

ok thanks, i*ll stick with unbreakable + vigi then

[magic pilot]

There's an Asian player that uses foam with technician to precharge intimidate

[gentle lichen]

Oni?

[magic pilot]

Mhm

[slate wedge]

how does that work?

[gentle lichen]

Holding your chem with tech counts as aiming a skill so you get bonus armor

So it procs intimidate

[slate wedge]

ahhh ok i see

only problem is that i need bulwark shield and pulse

[rigid wing]

Looking for direction on my 2 builds.
What skills should I use for a 1) ouroboros/momento striker build and 2) white death hotshot build.

I use 4 directives without pistolero

[magic pilot]

Sheild and revive hive

Decoy, pulse, recon drone and revive hive, emp sticky all good for sniper build

[rigid wing]

butmoment i put shield on, doesn't revive hive go on a 180 sec cd?

[tawdry flare]

If You are running cool skill directives only than

[rigid wing]

yes i'm running cool skill directives.

[gentle lichen]

The ONLY skill i know works with cool skills is artificer

[tawdry flare]

It is bugged

[tawdry flare]

Nope

[magic pilot]

I use scanner pulse and shield with cool skills

[tawdry flare]

It fucked me once

[gentle lichen]

If you pull out shield it will always heal

Not talking when you deploy hive

[magic pilot]

For sniper run the recon drone, and pulse

[tawdry flare]

Like I got the auto stimulant and my shield was gone

[gentle lichen]

Never happened to me using car door

[rigid wing]

thanks all for the suggestions 😄

[tawdry flare]

Car door ?

[gentle lichen]

Bulwark the chad

[tawdry flare]

Okk

Bulwark with memento is insane 19.8 million hp

I remember m3rc33 showing off regulus foundry bulwark

[gentle lichen]

Used to be my farming build with 5 directives

[tawdry flare]

And how it is just fine for solo heroic

[gentle lichen]

Huh wtf is this?

[gentle lichen]

I was talking about this lmfao

[tawdry flare]

You didn't know let me show you

[tawdry flare]

@gentle lichen

[gentle lichen]

How much damage can you even do at max stacks

[tawdry flare]

10.1 mil

[sly gulch]

I'm just messing around, but what exactly is the interaction between (Perfect) Efficient and System Corruption Heal Talent? I believe it does nothing but nullify a Chest Talent but the PE icon is blinking and I can't find much help on Google.

[bronze hound]

but what exactly is the interaction between (Perfect) Efficient and System Corruption Heal Talent?
nothing

[mystic marten]

hey someone know if the server is up ?

[bronze hound]

yes im online rn

[mystic marten]

i cant click on play on ubi luncher

and also my friends

[bronze hound]

have you tried restarting ubi connect

[bronze hound]

efficient buffs armour kits. syscor replaced armour kits. so theres no interaction

[frigid laurel]

I'm currently running 4 piece ECLIPSE PROTOCOL with the vile mask and scorpio shotgun. Is there any gear that might be better because I love the Crowd control status build currently

[sly gulch]

Yeah, that's what I figured. Intimidate is useful though.

[glass herald]

hey guys returning player here is this up to date?

[robust juniper]

TDI "Kard" Custom is obtainable only from DZ ?

[tame flax]

or named caches..but that's needle in a haystack

[robust juniper]

wanna join me in dz?

[tame flax]

sry doing somethin else in game

[tame flax]

wait till pistol is targeted loot, much easier

[glad heart]

This is what I run. But run unbreakable rather than glass cannon; and run Police M4 or St. Elmo, rather than FAMAS, due to better handling characteristics

A shotgun rather than M1A (except for raids) and I don't run Kard...

Gunner speciality

[glass herald]

hm okay thnx!

hm is it just me or lvls are easier to lvl up now?

[west kiln]

oh yum ok im slamming obliterate on this thing right away

[fleet stump]

hi
what backpack in good for eclipse build?

[bronze hound]

cc?

[bronze hound]

skill tier courier or electrique bp with creeping death

[frigid laurel]

I'm running the eclypse backpack

[glass herald]

idk iirc was there any diff between crafted and looted weapon?

[glad heart]

I am not certain it is easier, but experience in the game helps

[glad heart]

No difference

[glass herald]

good

[frigid laurel]

Is creeping death better than Eclypse Backpack

[bronze hound]

depends on the type of cc

if youre going for damage yes if youre going for pure cc no

[onyx sage]

eclipse bp good for damage, for pure control creeping death better

in harder content pure control is the way to go

[glass herald]

any reason for gunner?

[frigid laurel]

Currently I'm using the shock trap and banshee with scorpio.

[glass herald]

instead of demolition

[bronze hound]

Armour on kill

[glass herald]

hm aight

[bronze hound]

It'd be better to change to emp sticky and riot foam launcher

[onyx sage]

that's pure control so go creeping death

[real ruin]

remind me, what's the bis chestpiece with striker?

[frigid laurel]

Is this because the spread on hit rather than kill?

[bronze hound]

Either striker chest or (more common) Ceska with obliterate talent

[bronze hound]

Yes

Spread on hit + spread on kill = everything stuck in place

[real ruin]

thank you very much, have the striker chest equipped rn, but will try out the ceska

[bronze hound]

Striker chest is difficult to maintain stacks with*

[frigid laurel]

So shock trap and banshee would be best used with creeping death. Which skills/weapons should I run if I want to have a damage cc ?

[bronze hound]

I wouldn't run shock trap and banshee for pure cc

[onyx sage]

burn sticky and firestarter chem for damage

[bronze hound]

^

[onyx sage]

eclipse has mostly 2 archetypes, burn and pure CC

burn is where you run eclipse bp

[frigid laurel]

Really .. I kind of like the trap since you can keep he enemies at bay and prevent flanks

[real ruin]

didn't have much issue with that while doing IH today, but I do wanna see if I do better with ceska+obliterate

[onyx sage]

it's very limited in aoe and its cooldown is too long

[bronze hound]

Ih is one of the sole exceptions lol

[frigid laurel]

True

[onyx sage]

riot foam is OP against humans, it lasts very long and their animations are very predictable for headshots

[bronze hound]

Why did you have to say humans lmao

[onyx sage]

EMP sticky is for skills

because there are non-human enemies in this game 🤣

[bronze hound]

you have enemies and you have robots

[onyx sage]

eevee you know i live in legendary

[bronze hound]

unfortunately

[onyx sage]

shock even though affects everything makes the enemy's animations very unpredictable

[frigid laurel]

Should I stick with the scorpio as a weapon ?

[onyx sage]

yes

[frigid laurel]

Oh I see.

[bronze hound]

oh my god yes it does make them unpredictable as hell

when the chunga does the cha cha slide

[onyx sage]

HHF when they hit the hand instead of the head:

[blissful inlet]

Any ‏negotiator's dilemma build ?

[frigid laurel]

Real smooth 🤣

[bronze hound]

theres one pinned in the spreadsheet in this channel

i worded that horrifically

this channel has a pinned spreadsheet with builds

[frigid laurel]

Is the spreadsheet still good ? for some reason it looked outdated🤔

[onyx sage]

it's because not much changes nowadays

it gets updated every patch

[frigid laurel]

Apparently there's going to a change to status effects

[glass herald]

is the hollow man good in any case given for pvp or pve or the 10% health dmg are worthless

kinda doing dps hazard build atm

[bronze hound]

health damage aint worth it

[glass herald]

sadge aaaight

what should i do

[fickle light]

is there a source for this or are we speculating again

[bronze hound]

some tweet about pvp balancing

[glass herald]

do i run 3 red 3 blue or how is hazard/dps usualy ran

[fickle light]

oh, pvp, ok my interest has been lost

[bronze hound]

lmao

[glad heart]

Replenishes ammo, armor kit provides bonus armor for a few moments, 5% armor on kill... to name just a few

[last dragon]

10% armour on kill when that node is max

[glad heart]

Well I am going from memory, which at 70 is rather weak 😉

[last dragon]

its alright XD i had to go check because I thought it was 15% 🥲

[magic pilot]

Health dmg is disabled in pvp

[frigid laurel]

pure rumours from Youtubers😂

[glass herald]

would acs-12 be good in any case or rock n roll beats it

[hazy steeple]

Assuming you mean for the main purpose of stacking Strikers, acs-12 is actually the superior choice since the inclusion of a Talent means that you can deal decent DPS even whilst stacking.
So Lefty (situationally) and regular acs-12 beats R+roll, but it's not like r+roll is bad by comparison.
tl;dr all 3 are fine.

[glass herald]

gochu

sry for spamming the dc fully i just got plenty of stuff from before wondering if they still viable xd

are pulse builds still a thing?

[hazy steeple]

It's absolutely no problem, that's what the channel is for after all.

[glass herald]

like kingbreaker etc. thats when i stopped kinda

[hazy steeple]

Flatline/spotter are still good, just really only good with using the Tech Spec laser

[glass herald]

yep yep aaight

[slate wedge]

what is the most prominent regulus pvp build?

[glass herald]

hey guys wuts better fox prayers or picaros holster for pve or pvp or both

[merry stone]

probably still headshot damage stacking but with more raw damage stack baked instead of full headshot damage only. i saw a vid few months back and homie was dropping players in like 2-3 shots. it was conflict

[slate wedge]

yeah i got a headshot build right now but might switch to crit

[magic pilot]

Depends completely on the build

[magic pilot]

Punch drunk, Habsburg, providence, contractors, picaros, fox

Rolled for headshot, second attribute is usually hazpro but it's not even worth it tbh

1-2 blue normally. Unbreakable or glass chest and vigi bp. Henri is a good option if you have a red one

[slate wedge]

i think i'll go for a crit build with liberty lol

[west kiln]

would there be a case where youd go full high end over 4pc FI for a healer build?

[bronze hound]

no

[astral kraken]

only reason i can think of is if doing a hybrid healer type build

FI too strong

i think old high-end full healer builds would run improvised pieces b/c there's no brand set worth using

[bronze hound]

no they were 1 alps 2 hana 2 murakami btsu iirc

wasnt improv

[astral kraken]

no point in hannah. all you get is skill haste/damage.

[bronze hound]

i know it was at least 1 hana

god I FINALLY GOT MY FUCKING FP

that took WAY TOO LONG

[astral kraken]

congrats. surprised it took this long

[bronze hound]

me too

now im looking for cg

[astral kraken]

this is the one that took fooorreeeevverrr

and then when it dropped it was all max rolls

[bronze hound]

I JUST CLIPPED THROUGH THE STAIRS WTF

[onyx sage]

you should watch your step?

[slate wedge]

got like 4 of em

[bronze hound]

with skill damage?

[bronze hound]

those stairs should watch me fr

[slate wedge]

yeah, only kept 1 because before i thought they were worthless

[bronze hound]

k

[spring oasis]

I just made a skill power striker build for legendary content

[onyx sage]

let us know how it performs

[bronze hound]

mate got zapped back to td1

[vestal ibex]

You don't have a couple god rolled ones?

[bronze hound]

why are you telling me this

[rich lotus]

Just missing a 0.8% tbh, congrats

[bronze hound]

ill optimize

i got enough mats

[hexed steppe]

almost finished the oxi build?

[bronze hound]

all i need is cg and sac

[hexed steppe]

nice

[hexed steppe]

did you get the holster at clan vendor?

[bronze hound]

@hexed steppe best spec for oxi is technician right?

[hexed steppe]

yeah probably, extra skill damage and possible use of artificer if really focusing the oxi

plus faraday if needed

[bronze hound]

so i dont need a triply yellow sacrifice

[hexed steppe]

yeah for sure, that thing is a pain to get dropped correct

[bronze hound]

nice

[flint wave]

I bet you deconstructed millions of skill damage foxes

[astral kraken]

i've had it for a while now. i don't think so. did the clan vendor ever have a max roll one?

[bronze hound]

i dont hoard

[hexed steppe]

not that i know of, but there is currently a holster with skill damage/haste

[astral kraken]

yea usually you dont get max rolls on them from the vendor... at least i've never seen it

[hexed steppe]

yeah, these definitely are not godrolled, but unicorns are worth optimizing.

[glass herald]

what would be considered general ar pvp build?

[unkempt dune]

Does a kill with skill drone count as armor on kill?

[bronze hound]

Don't think so

[tawdry flare]

Mhh yes afaik skill kills count towards armour on kill

[onyx sage]

yeah it does

the usual rules of armor on kill apply

[tawdry flare]

Alsopreservation also procs with some skills

[flint wave]

If it kills. It gives armor

But they have to be people that get killed

And big robot dogs/drones

[slender sentinel]

does anyone even use the firewall specialization?

[hazy steeple]

Firewall is the best spec for cqc (close range), hands down.
The shield (strikers) that it comes with is a fantastic DPS boost.

Spec Trees in div2 are all about the bonuses that they give, not the actual weapon itself. And all 6 have something worthwhile to offer, depending on your build.

[slender sentinel]

I just wanna light people on fire and not use a skill build

[hazy steeple]

Pyromaniac. It's a named M4 with Perfect Ignited.
Deal +25% weapon damage to burning enemies. After 3 kills, applies burning to the next enemy you hit."

Or just the base version on any gun you like.

[slender sentinel]

Would a build around that bleed armor set be viable? I want to do more endgame stuff. have a decent skill build but I always try technical stuff, never really just DPS

[gentle lichen]

Iron lung

[flint wave]

Survivalist grenade

• lefty

[tawdry flare]

Creeping death with iron lung

[jagged linden]

The best thing ever i already got it on Xbox now i have it on PlayStation i got the st Elmo engine from countdown LFG

[rich lotus]

It teaches you the basics of it fr, I really should unlock it, I LOVE shotguns and smgs but armor on kill on gunner is too tempting

[flint wave]

And you get banshee pulse on gunner

[rich lotus]

Not a fan of pulse stuff

[flint wave]

banshee pulse does more then pulse

[rich lotus]

Doesn't it push enemies away

[flint wave]

no

[round zinc]

Try to remember the basics of cqc

[rich lotus]

[scarlet quarry]

Im making an Iron Lung OD build, what do you think is more important: 2PC WnH or 2PC Striker?

[round zinc]

I wouldn’t use striker here since most gear sets do not do much without the full 4 piece

[glossy scarab]

yea don't use striker pieces

[tawdry flare]

Use 1 pcs contractors

[scarlet quarry]

i am using 1 already, last piece right now with ninjabike

[tawdry flare]

Bruh better off without ninjabike

The two things I would choose are

[scarlet quarry]

i was running 3pc OD, 2 pc striker and ninjabike

i sub in contractors so now im thinking of replacing both striker pieces

[tawdry flare]

A) Ceska obliterate and groupo vigilance with od will give me (1+0.25+0.25)*(1.20) = 1.80 DMG multiplier

[tawdry flare]

The thing is if you just put vigilance or unstoppable force you will get more DMG

Instead of ninja

B) OD chest Ceska Vigilance/unstoppable Force and contractors gloves with this 1.401.251.08= 1.89

You can choose between A and B imo

[glossy scarab]

i use OD chest and coyotes mask. i skip contractors because my damage is all crit, the only reason i need bleed in the picture to proc sadist

[tawdry flare]

B IS MORE DMG

[scarlet quarry]

i see i will make the swap if i play solo, the current build is a dps/support when playing with others

[tawdry flare]

With iron lung i thing my B build will be better for most cases

[glossy scarab]

oh yea iron lung too. yea true

[scarlet quarry]

OK THANK U

would memento at max stacks be more viable SOLO?

[rich lotus]

Memento is the absolute bees knees

[glossy scarab]

it might not be more damage but it wont be bad. the 30% skill efficiency includes status effects i think, so thats 30% status to boost your bleed

[tawdry flare]

Memento is a good option but reroll you attribute on your iron lung to CHC

[glossy scarab]

yeah. chc is perfect for that gun

[scarlet quarry]

chc?

i currently have it on DTA

and all my pieces are CHC

[glossy scarab]

critical hit chance. also, another good gear set for iron lung is umbra just because the reload speed is massively improved

[glossy scarab]

having it on the weapon opens you up to use more chd. armor is fine too though

[scarlet quarry]

so i can keep the chest, change the backpack to memento/ceska with the talents

and holster to OD

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[scarlet quarry]

alright ill give the pieces a try thank u

[glossy scarab]

using two lmgs isnt ideal although i see why you want a weapon with sadist on it

[scarlet quarry]

yeah idk what to put as second weapon, then i saw carnage had sadist on it, and with OD giving me infinite ammo+ gunner regen i thought i could slot it in

[glossy scarab]

yea good point

[scarlet quarry]

since i made this build to just sit in cover and hold left click brainlessly haha\

[scarlet quarry]

besides these 2, will wicked work?

[tawdry flare]

Wicked is also a good option

And easier to maintain so yeah

[chrome ravine]

Hi, im just returned to Division 2, need some advice

i have no idea on this

[patent fossil]

Yeah that's not a particularly coherent build, I'd suggest checking the pinned spreadsheet and picking one of the builds there

Strikers is very much the flavour of the month at the moment if you want straight dps

[chrome ravine]

i feel like im lack of atk

[rich lotus]

And is pretty easy to farm for too. You can target specific gear to drop more often than others in Summit and Countdown (Countdown is your best option here)

[glossy scarab]

the overlord pieces and neither of them are foxes prayers arent helping

[hexed steppe]

Better off with crit pieces

[slate wedge]

second craft of the day

interchangeable talent aswell

[glossy scarab]

not bad

[slate wedge]

i had 400 yaahl mats 2 days ago, today i have 50 left

[hexed steppe]

No godrolled, trash it 😅

[slate wedge]

aight

[hexed steppe]

Perfect week to be rolling that. 💯

[glossy scarab]

it is gonna cost a mint to optimize that but itll be a great piece to have

[hexed steppe]

I rolled a bunch of yaahl masks as well couple days ago

[hexed steppe]

Wony makes it free to optimize.

[glossy scarab]

i got nice high rolls on this craft. its just too bad a ceska with regular spotter ends up with more damage than perfect spotter

[slate wedge]

thats a good one damn

[slate wedge]

i ran out of chest weave

[glossy scarab]

yea never had anything close to max rolls, let alone chc and chd

[slate wedge]

i mainly wanted it for pulse res builds

got like 6 different variations of it now

crit + unbreakable
crit + intimidate
crit + spotter
hsd + intimidate
hsd + unbreakable
hsd + glass cannon

[rich lotus]

You jammy toe rag.
If you're not British - congrats on your sizeable chunk of luck. The best I could get was the same roll with Unbreakable 😦

[chrome ravine]

High end skill build: 3p empress international, 2p hana-u, 1p wyvern. Chest talent: Kinetic Momentum. Backpack talent: Tech Support. Weapon: Test Subject/Harmony or any weapon with In-Sync. Skills: Assault/sniper/mortar turret, striker drone.

I saw this in the spreadsheet reddit post, is this set of build easy to farm?

[slate wedge]

i literally saved up 250 points to spend on credits so i can buy yaahl chest

was around 400 of em

crafted around 100 yaahl pieces in the last 2 days

[rich lotus]

250 points?

[slate wedge]

unbreakable is great tho

[slate wedge]

yeah, really easy build

[slate wedge]

SHD scavenging points

[rich lotus]

Consider Waveform (exotic holster) and Capacitor (exotic assault rifle)

[rich lotus]

Ah, I understand now

Mine keeps going into the materials I'm blasting through non-stop 🤣

[chrome ravine]

so should i change this instead ? or keep my current build or any others set prefer?

[rich lotus]

No, the build is fine on its own but I think those two are minor upgrades. Baby steps!

[chrome ravine]

erm any suggestion for my current to upgrade, i feel that im too weak 🤣

i literally zero knowledged on this sorry about that, trying to capture all in my head now

[slate wedge]

same tbh, thats why i have 4 characters

currently i am out of printer filament, carbon fiber and titanium

[rich lotus]

Your Bullet King build? Upgrade absolutely all of it. There's nothing I'd keep to be honest, I don't want to come across as horrible especially as you're only SHD 120 or so. It takes time, but it's so easy to focus farm things now. A skill build that you're after though, is easier to farm because the skill tier slot is automatically maxed (it's either a skill tier or it isn't). I'd work towards replacing it entirely, and yes with a Strikers build

[west kiln]

this is surely fine right LMAO (CHD is 150+)

[gentle lichen]

NY run to fix it ezpz

[slate wedge]

yeah, only level 2300 so not that great but better than anything else in the game by a mile

[rich lotus]

I need to set up a new character to farm mats. I just get to Parnell and his edgy comms, and it turns me off

[slate wedge]

1500 points in 1,5 hours is not beatable

[gentle lichen]

4.5k and i still blow throw points quick

Maybe because I always optimise shitrolled unicorns

[slate wedge]

same same

[chrome ravine]

yaya i like bullet king xD i just aim and shoot, but im feel like is time to upgrade my current build...so i just proceed to farm for this (High end skill build: 3p empress international, 2p hana-u, 1p wyvern.)

[chrome ravine]

this my curent build

[rich lotus]

To be fair, there's a possibility I'm missing the point. I'm making a pretty heavy assumption that you're wanting to play a particular way.
Do you want to be competitive and kill really big stuff, or is this mostly about screwing around and finding goofy builds?

[glossy scarab]

i think the thing is that they dont have that much decent gear to choose from

[rich lotus]

I meant more in terms of what's the goal? I don't want to recommend a sweaty Striker build if they're here to mess around and have fun. It'll be overkill

I also think that, if you play Summit and Countdown a lot, it's not really worth investing in a skill build because you get EMP'd every 1.8 seconds. But if you're not going to take it too seriously, it probably won't matter to you if that happens or not

[chrome ravine]

erm, actually i have no idea which way to choose, i had started from day 1 until now always take control point and mission, i dont really know what to play and which set to choose, once i get a hints/guide that which way or how to play it then from there i start slowly to learn as much as i can

[rich lotus]

If you gained more confidence in the way you play, and there were no limitations, would you see yourself wanting to take on the endgame stuff like raids, Legendary missions and incursions?

[hexed steppe]

Yea easy to farm.

You can increase damage if you use
skill damage/haste sacrifice chest (30% amp)or regular glass on one of the skill pieces.(25%amp)

[rich lotus]

Outstanding, three yellows on a Sacrifice

[chrome ravine]

yup i hope i can reach there and have a party to play with

[rich lotus]

Then Strikers it is. I wouldn't recommend a skill build, 1000%

[hexed steppe]

It does double duty on mortar build as well 😎

[rich lotus]

I've never gotten that roll on a Sacrifice, ever. Lovely work

[chrome ravine]

so my current build is more to striker? or nothing to it xD

[chrome ravine]

i try to farm one set of this thanks🙏🏻

[rich lotus]

Nothing at all. It's a flat, 100% replacement unfortunately.
The thing about what you're wanting to do, having a standard DPS build (all red stats like your current one mostly has) is a gateway into pretty much everything. That's not the case for the other builds (sniper, tank, skill, status). You can modify from there, tweak bits here and there to fit the 'meta' of that specific type of activity.
If your goal is to go in, cause a lot of damage and get good loot, I can't recommend a skill build over a Striker one though

(and yeah, it feels terrible bringing yet another Striker into the world, but there's no point in going against it)

[bright raptor]

your current one is an unoptimized version of the "standard red build" - that one focuses on critical hit chance and critical hit damage. Yours has some parts (the Providence pieces) but doesn't have the optimal brand bonus and gear talent mix

[chrome ravine]

yup i looking for good build, try my best to farm

[flint wave]

I'll take as many strikers as we can get in a countdown dominant world

[chrome ravine]

yaya i lack of all this info and i cant really understand from the research i did xD

[rich lotus]

Yessir. Considering Kenny will get booted on sight by Countdown weirdos, not having a Striker build will just cause even more to do that

[bright raptor]

you do need an especially sweaty host to kick Heartbreakers though

[glossy scarab]

if its all blue i mean.. seen that happen

[rich lotus]

Three damage types - skill (yellow), armour (blue), damage (red). Red good, others have their place but are more niche. Red works everywhere, yours just needs replacing with the bits you need but the principle is there.
And oh my Lord, throw that Bullet King away.

[chrome ravine]

i only have chameleon with me and mantis, i still trying hard to absorb after so long stop playing

[rich lotus]

Seen it. Xbox is pretty closed, I see the same hosts all the time. Snipers get kicked a lot now too

[flint wave]

had a cd game where the host let 2 skill builds(exuro and high end) roam free in heroic

[chrome ravine]

i lack of armour and skill

[flint wave]

It was actually "ok" up until extraction

I had a pfe tank build in loadouts at the time

so I extracted

[bright raptor]

yeah the BK is "good enough" to farm for its own replacement solo, but most people don't really care for the DPS guy having one unless something unusual is going on

[rich lotus]

I just blanket decide I don't believe in the team I'm playing with, and extract immediately. That's my toxic trait

[flint wave]

pretty much what I did

i heard 2 agent downs and I said screw this team

[rich lotus]

Yeah, done that more times than I can count. The Hunters at the start is a pretty good indication

They should all be down in the first two minutes. I'm not precious about them choosing the VIP encounter or not, that's not my call but if everyone splits off and dies on their own, it's a bust

[tawdry flare]

The moment I see VIP on heroic I take my leave

[rich lotus]

Problem is, because it seems to only come up at one spot, it's right near where you blast the Hunters. Of course they're not running for three business weeks to get to Admin

[bright raptor]

Riot Foam EP with The Courier does help a lot with VIP... if they aren't standing in front of the initial spawn door

[flint wave]

riot foam ep helps in general

[icy rune]

I'm running the Incursion for the first time tonight. I have St. Elmo's, Coyote, 4pc. Striker's and Fox's Prayer. Would it hurt my team to add a Grupo chest piece with something like Unbreakable? I do most of my theorycrafting at work when I can't reach my Xbox.

[flint wave]

I know some use unbreakable for the turret part

that's it

[patent fossil]

swap foxes for ceska though, so you can run CHD on all the strikers pieces

[rich lotus]

1. Check anyone else isn't using Coyote too
2. Replace Fox's with a Ceska or a Grupo piece
3. The chest should be Striker, ideally

[vestal ibex]

I'd use obliterate chest for turrets and striker chest for the rest.

[rich lotus]

Oh Ob chest for turrets. That's not a bad suggestion

4. And see if you can get ahold of Bloody Knuckles, and a weapon with Sledgehammer on it (Lefty is a good shout). This is a really good option for DPS at Wright specifically (third encounter)

[vestal ibex]

I also double up on turret skills personally, so decoy and sticky EMP. That's so I can drop decoy and EMP the turret, decoy to keep ads off me. This method allows to me to do one turret and kill the ads on that side and rotate to the other one and take it out if I've got one of those teams.

[rich lotus]

I'd honestly send Zombie the way of the GCROCK tutorial video. Most of that still applies
Wait until they see someone oxy the turrets from gazebo though

[flint wave]

do u acs a dude before taking on a turret

since u have no shield

[vestal ibex]

Nope. You can one mag the turret with an elmo and obliterate, no stacks needed.

[flint wave]

k I guess I need to run emp sticky then

[vestal ibex]

I mean it's preference but I have the issue of my decoy getting hit by mortars sometimes and getting destroyed by the turret. Also I'm running up and going right for the turret, I ignore all ads.

[flint wave]

I had an issue with the decoy getting killed in 0.2 seconds by the turret even behind cover so I'll make the switch

it's very annoying

[rich lotus]

Even after an overcharge?

[flint wave]

team forgor to overcharge

[rich lotus]

Sad times

[flint wave]

I don't feel like relying on overcharge anymore

[rich lotus]

It feels mandatory at Lovebirds. Kill drone, overcharge. Martinez' grenades are deadly

[sullen sun]

I’ve asked this question before but can you run negotiator with memento?

[patent fossil]

yes, you'll lose some DPS but solo at least it doesn't matter too much, the extra survivability is nice

[young osprey]

Hey everyone! When should I be farming for the gears on the builds I see online? I just got to world tier 5 in DC. Or do I still need to finish the new york DLC too?

[rich lotus]

Yeah, finish WONY first and get to SHD 1. Builds don't matter until then

[urban latch]

That's just a rushed day after release guide. It has the basics, but also a good amount of bad information as well

[rich lotus]

It's about 70-80% there, which is more than good enough. Part of the rest of it is getting in there and experiencing it, I was fine with the majority of the 'wrong' things in the video

It's still new and fresh enough that folks will be patient enough to help you adjust your habits too

[young osprey]

Thanks!

[astral kraken]

#ask-td2-community message

Surely there are more recent videos if searching YT.

[rich lotus]

S1: Not a huge deal. You can take 1 mag or 2 if you suddenly develop potato aim, it happens and it shouldn't be a big deal if your healer is on point and your decoy is still up

S2: I think the real answer is in between yours and his. Three DPS + 1 healer

S3: Easy to remedy

S4: This is the 20-30% that's missing. Nobody splits up, it's unnecessary and prolongs the whole thing for no reason. Stay in the back room (and deal with the hassle of timing your dodges) or loot room (and deal with being right in their face)

[astral kraken]

S1: It is a huge deal. Having to use two mags is one of the reasons people go down and the team ends up wiping. If you go down without killing the turret that's really bad.

Healer being "on point": healer cannot heal through damage. If you're taking hits (eg: chunga flamethrower, turret shooting you) then the healer won't save you.

S2: Very few groups run healer anymore on this stage. Survivability is no problem at all except for drones. And if all 4 DPS run EMP it's not a problem. Healer makes S2 take much longer. People also tend to run out of ammo with a healer (due to loss of DPS) and that adds more risk too.

S4: There are plenty of more recent guides with cover the current strats.

[onyx sage]

healer can't refresh one shot protection

[rich lotus]

We don't have the same experience and that's OK. A bunch of 12-13m runs (sure, it's not a Souless 6m classic) using a healer all the way. Skilled DPS at S1 and S2 make it a cakewalk, nobody struggles at this step (I've taken a clip and change sometimes, accidentally used Ouro once or twice). Even as a first-timer, I don't think I've ever wiped at tanker (don't think I got close either). LFG'ing though, in my experience, has been about health checks over DPS. It's not about doing enough damage (except for at Lovebirds sometimes), it's about making stupid decisions and getting murdered. If you're not in a solid group that runs together all the time, and are just getting together for the first time that week/month, a healer is excellent insurance at that encounter.

Anecdotally, I don't remember a run where the DPS on the left (tanker) didn't get downed. It's just different experiences, I'm sticking by the video being 70-80% there though because that's exactly what it was for me

[molten heron]

Hi guys , im working on a hot shot build . Im playing With the white death rifle . Is there a better riffle With a good talent for a hot shot build ?

[rich lotus]

Replace the talent on the White Death with Determined. It's a cheese essentially, every hit is a headshot.
If you want a challenge though, mine has Ranger on it which is pretty good (it is largely as it describes, you get greater damage from range)

[astral kraken]

He's recommending to use a tank build (for boss) and CC on tanker. Nothing wrong with promoting YTers you like if the info is good but there have been countless videos on incursion that cover the current strats.

I don't get how top left side DPS goes down so often in your runs. It's one of the easiest places to be. 2 doors, occasionally head down to help below.

[rich lotus]

Yeah, that's why I didn't say 100%. There's obviously bits that are completely wrong.
It happens because the game is different for different people. Your 30-40% is my 70-80%, I'm not sure what's being missed here

[flint wave]

Way better to run it with striker

I tried negotiator memento and it's too much dmg loss personally