td2-build-advice

[urban latch]

D50 is really nice since it's strong enough to 1 tap and you can run the bulwark shield with it

[tulip granite]

i did love the liberty with bull

can i move the order of my loadouts?

[astral kraken]

not easily, it sucks :[ you gotta like delete one and move it to the bottom

[tulip granite]

some builds i want to put next to each other for sorting and ease

[astral kraken]

if you're familiar with sorting algorithms in computer science it helps 😂

[tulip granite]

i mean i might aswell del them all as they are from builds like 3-4 years ago

[grizzled wind]

gotta copy them to bottom in wanted order then delete above

[hexed steppe]

you can overwrite them to a different spot then delete/overwrite the previous location

[tulip granite]

talk about a overlooked QOL

[astral kraken]

@tulip granite what i've learned to do is to create a plan for my builds in a google doc or spreadsheet or something. if there's extra room i'll add "placeholder" build slots for those. it's rough.

[tulip granite]

i also like the option to start with no gear when building a new set but you cant do that

it helps me with my checklist

[astral kraken]

wait till you hit the max 16 loadout brick wall. that one sucks even more because there's no workaround really. other than having multiple characters.

[hexed steppe]

only sucks until you realize you can save loadouts to alts

[astral kraken]

well that's still rough in certain cases. like i have my chainkiller chest all ready to go and optimized. but i can't easily use it across multiple chars so only real option is to find another one.

[hexed steppe]

48 builds total and still have the last one to delete for wony runs 🤔

[astral kraken]

there are multiple cases like that for me

[hexed steppe]

just have certain build types on certain alts

[astral kraken]

i could theoretically send to stash all the time but that's annoying and easy to forget

yea i tried that and it doesn't work. 16 is just too few.

[hexed steppe]

all hh stay on 1, all crit on another, all skill random on 3rd

i have 16 spots filled but they are just variations of like 4-5 builds

[astral kraken]

it's not enough damnit (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[tulip granite]

it never is

[urban latch]

If you have a character for each type of loadout then your stick with only that type when you might need another.

I've got a character for raids, one for pvp, one fur incursions, and one HC. So each character has all the builds I need for each set of activities

[grizzled wind]

i limit myself to like 2-3 dps builds + those in diff setups, (for example with and without striker chest)

18/150 inventory

[bronze hound]

I have 15 builds and shove em all in stash

0/150 inventory

[hexed steppe]

i keep 90-100 items on me. covers my 6 nego, 4 ep , 2 hh ,2healer , mortar, and afk. i keep a few variations of crit items/foxes/contractors so i can pretty much make anything dps with minimal farming of gearset items.

[flint wave]

How do you have 6 negotiators

smh

[tawdry flare]

Don't you have 16 👀

[round zinc]

Who can forget the goat,the negotiator headhunter sniper

[hexed steppe]

XD i have it setup with a few different spec class and with/without memento. its the only dps set i use so its just variants

[tawdry flare]

Nego is goat it can do things strikers is not capable of which helps sometimes

[grizzled wind]

thats called hoarder

[tawdry flare]

Bruh you don't kn hoarders

[grizzled wind]

😂

[tawdry flare]

People with 150 pcs

Don't have a space in inventory

[grizzled wind]

like that ytber he bought like 8 of the current vendor "gifts"

like bruh ?

[tawdry flare]

Ahh he may use it for proficiency or clickbaiting cause 2-3 are fine

Per character

[round zinc]

Ik,it was a lame joke

[bronze hound]

Whatever the max is

[sullen sun]

ACS with optimist thoughts?

[flint wave]

ACS with "perfectly extra" probably better

[rich lotus]

For headshot builds does headshot damage apply to the armor protecting the chunga head?

[shy willow]

No

[sullen sun]

Wouldn’t it be better just to roll glass canon then?

Headhunter is really OP tbh

[rich lotus]

ty

Does this perk work with system corruptions hackstep protocol that replaces the armor kit?

[shy willow]

I doubt it

[rich lotus]

Bummer lol

[bronze hound]

No

It specifies specialization armour kits

[rich lotus]

gotcha and system corruption calls it an ability

[bronze hound]

System corruption says "replaces armour kits"

[rich lotus]

Kind of a bummer cuz I'm kind of drooling on the brand bonus regen + armor on kill. Can't have everything tho.

[bronze hound]

Syscor ain't that good

If you want a tank just run improvised

[rich lotus]

I'm not sure what you're referring to sorry

[bronze hound]

Improvised items

You get em through crafting and they all have a mod slot

[rich lotus]

Does an improvised chest piece have an extra mod slot?

[bronze hound]

6 mods of protection from elites is 66-78% protection from elites

No

The only item with two mod slots is a gila mask called Chill Out which is exclusive to the holiday season

Which is coming up

[rich lotus]

Nice I'll keep an eye out for that

[bronze hound]

But yeah tanks primarily run off of protection from elites

So just stack that high and you'll do swell

[astral kraken]

just one example

it's all hazpro, expl resist, and pfe

catharsis, gila with vanguard, lengmo with adrenaline rush

[tulip charm]

I hope those are 13% 👀

[astral kraken]

just the chest 😭

one day i'll get all 13 and can remove one improvised piece

[tulip charm]

It do be like that

[flint wave]

one day we will get gear mod optimization

[slate nest]

is this build good for Mantis?
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwTgtAjGAMlgzDJsXLSgXAJnFYdEBWADnTNU2CznykQmgvPI2FP1iie+elfA5wew9KwBsYQV14y+I+dlAJIjSGPpjCa2mIncM83hggHZMU4ehA

[flint wave]

🙏

[flint wave]

ye

[astral kraken]

replace the mask with punch drunk and you're golden

you can also throw in fox's instead

not sure how the math works out but i think fox's wins

because hsd is already so high

[flint wave]

There's no way ur not one shotting stuff already

[astral kraken]

true but every little bit helps if you fell behind on stacks

[flint wave]

50% Amp damage helps

[astral kraken]

and the dmg numbers are so high that little improvements can be a lot

but yea end of the day you're gonna rip with it

love the mantis

[tulip charm]

If you miss alot dont run 4p hotshot

[flint wave]

If you miss alot run determined

[tulip charm]

basically

Also instead of the gift run an airaldi backpack

[astral kraken]

mantis makes it a lot easier to hit imo

[astral kraken]

wait what. airaldi gives 10% marksman rifle dmg. gift gives 25% weapon dmg.

oh b/c providence hsd is worse?

[tulip charm]

yeah

[astral kraken]

prov +15% hsd is worse than airaldi +10% weapon dmg.

[tulip charm]

also more damage

[astral kraken]

gotcha

[rich lotus]

Does PFE and resists/hazpro etc apply to damage taken by your shield as well by chance?

[astral kraken]

pfe does. not sure about shield... for example shield doesn't get the explosive resist as far as i know.

[rich lotus]

But it does get PFE?

[astral kraken]

yea

[rich lotus]

Does that apply to other deployed skills too?

[astral kraken]

good question. like if an assault turret inherits pfe? i don't think it does but not 100% sure.

i haven't noticed it being tankier but also not really watching for that

[rich lotus]

Yeah I wouldn't really be either - only prompted the question because the shield inherits PFE but the other is unknown/not inherited as outlined by the explosive resist.

[astral kraken]

i guess it doesn't matter too much b/c if you're running that it's probably bulwark shield and revive hive

very limited uses. most of the time you're more of a hinderance to the team with a build like that.

[onyx sage]

both give 25% twd. but airaldi gives weapon damage which is more beneficial to top end HH damage while providence gives headshot damage which only benefits the shot damage portion of HH

[slate nest]

noted

[slate nest]

noted

[slate nest]

noted

thanks guys

[rich lotus]

Does armor on kill happen to apply to the shield as well?

[onyx sage]

no

[rich lotus]

ty

[sullen sun]

Does Coyotes stack?

[hazy steeple]

It's shared with your team, but the buffs themselves don't stack.
e.g. if 2 people in the team have Coyotes, and one is within 1st buff range, the other can't give it too, but can give 2nd.

Which is why in DH most people don't bother taking it because someone else always does.

[thick wren]

Hi all 😁😁 been playing for years D1 on my Ps4, also played little D2

Got a few days ago D2 for PC with Warlords DLC, is it possible to make a build Striker, when i shoot to target my armor regains while i hit it, some advices for gear and also for a weapons, thank you, also wondering when i get to lvl 40 and i hit world tier 5, should i grind for the loot on Summit or you have maybe some other and better advice?? Ty 😁

[astral kraken]

Welcome!

Striker isn't really built for that. You could run a Bloodsucker backpack but then you're giving up a lot of Striker's best DPS. If you're looking to build bonus armor while shooting then Heartbreaker is the build you want. It's similar to Striker but is lower DPS, lower rate of fire, and you can't build stacks on proxies (like enemy turrets).

Once you reach level 40 there's going to be a lot to do. You don't need to just do one thing. You can do a little Summit, farm open world for materials and blueprints (via control points), run weekly missions for bonus XP, or just roam around open world and do activities.

It's a good idea to start building your recalibration library as soon as possible.

Once you have a decent DPS build (not great, just okay) you can start doing Countdown on Challenging difficulty (not Heroic) to farm for targeted loot. Countdown lets you pick the type of loot you want to farm for.

Most importantly, click the pinned button in this channel and look at the build guides. Some of the most experienced players in the game made those guides and it has a lot of good information. Just pick a build you like and farm for it.

Good luck 😄

[thick wren]

Ty allot for youre time and for a super cool explanation 😁😁

[astral kraken]

np. whenever you have questions you can ask here or #ask-td2-community. community here is really cool.

[thick wren]

Ty 😁😁

[cyan drift]

never been so happy to see a forge in my life

[fallen comet]

at campus?

[cyan drift]

yep

[fallen comet]

i can see why

username checks out

[tawdry flare]

If he sells a wd determined you are gonna change your name ?

[cyan drift]

she already sold an m44 with determined last week

if you leave a monkey at a typewriter long enough, it will write war and peace, it does not make them a genius

[languid goblet]

Looking to get into PVP but i have no clue what to run really

What's a fairly easy pvp build to put together?

[stray zodiac]

What inserts can you recommend for a heartbreaker

[hazy steeple]

if you mean gearmods, the answer for a crit build is always "CHC mods". (crit damage)

[hazy steeple]

There's actually a pinned guide in this channel, go to 📌 then the spreadsheet. It has a bunch of "starter" pvp builds within that section.

[cyan drift]

that's the bombardier drone, is it bad that I'm unironically having some fun with this
I have no idea what to run for guns besides capacitor

[languid goblet]

Oh awesome, i didn't know! Thanks!

[frail zealot]

is this build ok?

[urban latch]

Looks good, it's your classic raid build

[grizzled garnet]

would a strikers build work in a raid? 🤔

[urban latch]

Yeah, strikers is fine most of the time. Stronger in some situations, weaker in others

[vestal ibex]

Any build is fine if you get carried hard enough...

[grizzled garnet]

:3

[balmy fern]

What's a widely accepted raid build? Right now I have striker DPS build and bulwark shield tank

Anything I don't have a build for yet I might have the gear lying around

[vestal ibex]

Standard HE AR build.

It's in the builds hub.

[pure trench]

Its been a while since i played so i wanna ask: whats the current oxi meta?

[balmy fern]

The one by Pinkachu?

[urban latch]

That guide is a bit outdated. Basically each build has an updated version in the spreadsheet

[cyan drift]

alright so, if you have a hardcore agent, never ever ever use the bomber drone

[vestal ibex]

Standard red dps.

[balmy fern]

Ah the one with an Evernote link

[cyan drift]

there's like a 50/50 chance looking far into the distance to aim away will aim where you are, and since the drone flies to the closest original spot, it just instakills you

it's better at killing yourself than it is the enemy

[urban latch]

That's just good general advice

[cyan drift]

I'm trying to make it effective and it's just not possible really

it's great in a wide open area with enemies running at you, but so is literally anything

[urban latch]

Not every option we have is a good option lol

[vestal ibex]

So it kinda depends on your needs tbh but it's along the lines of 3 pc empress, yellow contractors, foxes, sacrifice, for the rest it depends on your needs and situation.

[cyan drift]

the targetting system is too trash to make it work well honestly

[hazy steeple]

Just use the youtube method of making terrible things from div2 good: lower the difficulty then pretend it's still on Heroic.

[cyan drift]

put a defender drone on

that's what a lot of builds were doing at one point when picaro's came out

[balmy fern]

Based on the tank regen build...thats basically what I have now lmao. The one with Foundry gearset

[cyan drift]

do some average build and then claim it has great survivability when it has 50% armor on kill and no damage

but hey skill tier 4 defender drone

[pure trench]

So its the old one I already have. Thanks

[vestal ibex]

I mean it's used in the IH but if you get into a teaching raid they might just stick you on rocket add killing in boss 4 and you wouldn't use it anyway.

[balmy fern]

So is DH easier to teach then?

[urban latch]

DH just has less specific roles, most people are all doing the same basic thing, and the main difference is the area your expected to cover

[balmy fern]

this is just my countdown build lmao...I can swap out vanguard on Ceska chest for Obliterate and be good

[urban latch]

Although I think key tank is one of the best starter positions for Morozova

[vestal ibex]

I think stagger is super easy. You do nothing for half the fight then just pew over shoulder back and forth.

In speeds it's pretty fun tho cause you wanna damage her tho. rapid pews over shoulders

[urban latch]

Stagger is incredibly boring though lol. Key tank at least gets to run around and watch what everyone else is doing which is nice for a first timer

[vestal ibex]

Yeah it really depends on the group doing it and how much they wanna teach, also how prepared and willing the person being taught is. I feel like most are overwhelmed by the time boss three is done and are like just get me tf out of here.

[grizzled garnet]

are there any status effects/cc builds that make use of Acosta's Go-Bag. it seems really interesting in basically having infinite grenades (riot foam nades?) and pretty much free self overcharge

preferably non niche but im guessing there are few use cases

[urban latch]

You normally use creeping death on the CC eclipse build, but there's no point using vile so there's a enough argument to use Acostas depending on where your using it. I think I'd use survivalist for fire grenades if your doing that though

[grizzled garnet]

wouldnt uhhh. creeping death not be available though since im using acostas?

[urban latch]

Yeah, I'm saying that's normally used, but could be swapped for Acosta

[grizzled garnet]

oki and what spare since im using 4 pc eclipse with its chest

[urban latch]

Just 1p golan or eletrique

[grizzled garnet]

oki

and foam + fire sticky?

with sticky fire being swapped depending on situation (drones)

[urban latch]

Yeah, foam and then the second skill just depends on what you need, lots of options there

[grizzled garnet]

okokok

and are there any decent catharsis builds?

ik it could be used in a tank build but that seems kinda niche and restricted to raids/incursions

also if perfect vanguard (or whatever is on pointman) used purely as a team buff talent since i watched an ih run where the tank at feiser pulled out and instantly put away their shield proccing perfect vanguard

[urban latch]

Catharsis is normally just used in pvp builds, you don't see it used much in pve

[grizzled garnet]

pvp you say

i heard lady death and hunters fury has fell off

i am in need of a new build. i have an ouroboros and catharsis

i just need to know the rest :3

[patent fossil]

there's a basic guide in the pinned spreadsheet

[urban latch]

Hunters fury is still one of the best gearsets in the game, especially with ouroboros

[stray atlas]

what would be the best build to maximise skill haste and skill dmg

[hexed steppe]

What skills would it be built around?

[stray atlas]

cluster mine and the regular pulse

im speed leveling a friend of mine throug his game and cluster is the most effective to room clear

plus its fun

[hexed steppe]

Hardwire does well for cluster seeker spamming. Can throw them out about every 10 seconds.
You'll want a different second skill like a turret/shield/hive . The way the feedback loop talent kinda dictates something you can deploy and pick up to proc.

[stray atlas]

my pulse is about 9 seconds cooldown atm

would that be alright?

[bronze hound]

I FINALLY FUCKING GOD IT

holy shit that took so long

[stray atlas]

??

[hexed steppe]

I mean any skill will proc it , no doubt, But you'll want something more reliable. It's easy to get the timing jacked up and procing the feedback loop on the wrong skill

[hexed steppe]

Question, have you considered/used eclipse protocol?

[stray atlas]

i have no idea what that is

[hazy steeple]

Okay I'll bite, what's this for?

[bronze hound]

its just a foam cc lol

[hexed steppe]

Perfect. You'll love this I think.

Status effects build.
Status spreads on npc death. Hit 1 npc with a fire sticky/chem and when it dies everything within 15m burns. And it keeps spreading until duration is reduced

Depending on difficulty level it can burn it's way through a lot

[astral kraken]

I had door duty when I started. It was chill.

[hexed steppe]

Farmed or crafted?
Nice tho 💯

[bronze hound]

crafted

[tulip mauve]

Does this apply to every debuff provided by the Scorpio? Like, do all enemies withing range get the debuffs when I'm just hitting one of them?

[hexed steppe]

They spread any status they have when they die. Scorpio status is kinda short but it still ends up spreading quite a bit

2 main versions will be foam and fire. Fire benefits more from capacitor, I use scorpio on foam builds tho

The 20% increased damage taken wont spread tho

[cerulean moss]

Hey, I checked the spreadsheet but wanted to confirm in here too, with Catharsis I will need to first get it to drop via a cache before it becomes available to target farm right? Never had it dropped before & didn't play during its season to get it from the pass

[shy willow]

It should be in general loot

[magic pilot]

Nice

[sullen sun]

Should I run straight crit on this build?

[urban latch]

Is that a pvp build?

[bronze hound]

because of how much armour people run that wont one shot people

[sullen sun]

But it does

[bronze hound]

how much per shot

[sullen sun]

10 mil HS

[bronze hound]

not in pvp

[sullen sun]

I only use it in PvP

[bronze hound]

10 mil in pvp with a white death is impossible

[sullen sun]

Idk in PvP I haven’t paid attention lately tbh but it’s a one shot down

[bronze hound]

check because if it does less than 2 mil it wont kill a tank

[sullen sun]

Well no but I’m also not going in alone

I stay on the back with my squad

[bronze hound]

so youre not one shotting people lol

[sullen sun]

I am

[bronze hound]

if your teammates weaken them its not a one shot

[sullen sun]

I one shit ppl all the time

Shot lol

[bronze hound]

and how much damage are you doing

[sullen sun]

Idk I haven’t paid attention

[bronze hound]

because last i checked it shouldnt be possible to do 2 mil without a crit

[sullen sun]

If it downs them that’s good enough for me

[bronze hound]

thats what im referring to

yeah just tested you dont even get close to that lol

[bronze hound]

just used a practically identical build and shot someone and barely broke halfway

[sullen sun]

🤷‍♂️ believe what you want I guess

[bronze hound]

i just tested it~

[sullen sun]

Ok

[bronze hound]

im playing around with a few ideas tho so if i find something more optimal ill get back to ya hows that sound

@sullen sun i mighta found a better build i just need to find a player to test it on lol

[sullen sun]

Ok

[bronze hound]

didnt kill

btw i hope you understand im not tryna come across as rude

cuz id love to match your numbers lol

if youre actually consistently getting over 2m

[sullen sun]

I’ll have to try it tbh and see what I’m hitting

[bronze hound]

aight cool, no hard feelings?

[sullen sun]

I replaced the contractors with grupo

[bronze hound]

youre gonna wanna go all HSD and MMR damage

[sullen sun]

We’re fine

[bronze hound]

heres what i just tested with

[vestal ibex]

Turn on damage numbers in chat and track it.

[sullen sun]

No coyote?

[bronze hound]

no crit

because crit doesnt fly with sniping

DAMN

knocked him outta cover with a rebounded grenade

shot him mid stagger

i guess it is possible lol

wish i recorded it

my heart rate is cray cray rn

[stiff jasper]

If you want crit, focus on nemesis, not white death

[broken lion]

thoughts?

[broken lion]

or

[urban latch]

Swap foxes for 1p ceska

Looks solid though

If this is for the incursion I wouldnt assume the mid buff and id go with the higher chc

[broken lion]

even with the coyotes?

it aint for incursion its just for w/e

its negotiators

[urban latch]

im blind and too used to everyone running striker lol

[vestal ibex]

What a rookie mistake.

Go to sleep yo

[urban latch]

you dont need ceska with elmos, but still swap out foxes for grupo

also the ND chest generally isnt worth running, theres just too few instances you'll have over 3 targets marked for it to be worth it over another chest talent

[round zinc]

this is not necessarily a pro tip but i use dch with nego

[gilded flicker]

what is the highest dmg specialization for striker AR build?

[grizzled wind]

on the fly prob firewall due to shield?

[bronze hound]

Defo firewall

You just have problems keeping yourself alive

[broken lion]

ah would contractors or foxes outvalue grupo? just cuz idrk the dmg diff

its just ive heard conflicting things so idk if the crit dmg is more worth or what

[urban latch]

maximizing crit on nego is what you want to do since its the crits that transfer

[broken lion]

ah okay

this or grupo?

[grizzled wind]

grupo

[urban latch]

ideally grupo, but thats a really solid chest

[grizzled wind]

does nd give crit chance it set effect? i dont remember

[urban latch]

yeah 15%

[grizzled wind]

ahh that makes sense

couse i was wondering couse i need ceska on elmos to go full crit dmg

[broken lion]

well i could do this only just cuz i dont have a grupo chest

[urban latch]

id run the fenris chest you have then

[broken lion]

still this statline w/o max watch

[grizzled wind]

looks good

[broken lion]

ty ty

[gilded flicker]

ty

[round zinc]

how does skill efficiency affect hives?

like does booster hive boost you more?

[magic pilot]

Optimal setup is fox/ceska with nego st Elmo

Me and Azur tested it awhile ago

[astral kraken]

golan+courier or golan+electrique for foam cc? courier reduces creeping death cd by 34% and increases the range by 2m. but you lose 10% status effects.

courier seems better? more creeping death beats 10% status effects?

[flint wave]

yes

[hexed steppe]

definitely courier on a foam build. the 10% status effect you lose is basically -1s on foam duration. the +2m and faster secondary spread is worth it

[digital apex]

what would be better with 4pc heartbreaker memento backpack and picaros holster or coyotes mask and ceska vigilance backpack?

[flint wave]

the last one

[digital apex]

alr ty

[shy willow]

Needs some optimisation but how's this for a start

[vestal ibex]

Smexy

[astral kraken]

you're ready to shred

[shy willow]

Ayyyyy

Wanted literally anything other than strikers tbh

[tawdry flare]

Negotiatiors 👀

[glossy scarab]

ive been using that build too. i even tried umbra for a while to get away from strikers

negotiators is great i find it hard to use except in certain specific missions

[hexed steppe]

Nego is just point and shoot. If you're hitting spawns the crit marks spread on their own.

[patent fossil]

Spray and slay

[vestal ibex]

Orrrr... and hear me out here.... Regulus.

[tawdry flare]

Sleigherrrrrrrrrrrr

[astral kraken]

I finished putting together an artillery turret build (2x yellow grupo ugh!). Eager to try it out. What are some places you guys loving using it? My first thought is DUA garage.

[vestal ibex]

Any spawn or tight spaces really.

[flint wave]

some summit floors and their repeating spawns

[shy willow]

I dabbled with negotiators but I tend to focus on single targets too much😭

Ongoing directive and true patriot looked interesting but idk

[tawdry flare]

@bronze hound insert _™ line here

[bronze hound]

Lol

[shy willow]

Huh

[flint wave]

apparently skill issue has been trade marked👴

just here tho

[magic pilot]

Run vigi bp then

[hazy steeple]

That doesn't really help their situation with ND though.

[magic pilot]

Yes it does

Increases single target dps

[hazy steeple]

Well yes it still does damage, but at that point why even use a Gearset that is specifically designed for something else?

[urban latch]

Because it's more effective that way imo

[hazy steeple]

It's more effective when you ignore the entire point of the Gearset, as opposed to using something specifically built for single target damage?

If you're trying to avoid Strikers, FMJ would probably work better here.

[urban latch]

It's not ignoring it, your still getting the benefits of the set. It basically gives you more control of which targets get more damage. The shared damage is basically for targets that go out if your kind of sight

[hazy steeple]

From my understanding, the comment was about forgetting to multi-shoot pretty much at all, which is an issue I had the first few times I tried to use the Gearset.
You do get used to it over time, kind of like Burnout's Talent.

[flint wave]

there's not much more you can tell them other then "shoot more then one dude bro"

[hazy steeple]

Breaking long-learned habits in games can take a fair bit of work.
not insta-reloading after you fire like 3 bullets with that one Directive on will help teach you pretty fast.

[flint wave]

too bad I accidentally reload often when opening doors in this game

[hazy steeple]

Note to self: stick with k+m.

[flint wave]

is reload button and open door button different there?

smh

[hazy steeple]

F is interact on PC, reload is R.

by default anyway.

[urban latch]

Yeah. But if your opening a door and reloading then on empty doesn't matter

[west kiln]

2 prov 1 grupo is just as good as 3 prov right?

[urban latch]

Only reason to use on empty is if the burn out is the only FAMAS you've got

[flint wave]

oh we're talking about ammo hoarders

[flint wave]

3 prov is just as good as 1 habs 1 ceska 1 grupo

[urban latch]

Oh lol. I only use that directive with pistol builds so ammo doesn't matter

[west kiln]

🙏 thank guys, this is what ive managed to build atm (fox's knees)

[flint wave]

holy shit crit chance overload

[tawdry flare]

Very nice just keep going and farming better pcs or recalibrated and u r gud

[west kiln]

for my fox's actually, what would i want to replace the blue?

[tawdry flare]

Crit DMG

[west kiln]

oh thats ez nice

ty

[tawdry flare]

Also change the bag pack talent they are selling the gift in cd go get it

That is the one you want get the bag from countdown

[west kiln]

and then just reroll the blue on that?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah reroll it to chc

[west kiln]

sick ok

tbf i recal'd my current bag talent to calculated cuz i like it rn

did mean the yellow is stuck on status effect

still dont have a scorpio 😭

[tawdry flare]

You will get perfect vigilance which is perfect for your build

[flint wave]

Already comes with chc

[tawdry flare]

Tham reroll to chd

[flint wave]

understandable I'll keep my 12985 health core

[hexed steppe]

Not taking any chances 😅

[flint wave]

he's taking all the crit chances tho

[grizzled garnet]

thoughts as a mediocre slapped together pvp build

[urban latch]

It's a start.

[grizzled garnet]

the main issues i'll face is difference in expertise and shd level

[urban latch]

Your also pretty low on armor, so your not getting the mist out of catharsis, unbreakable, and ad rush

[vestal ibex]

Run it, pre med and blast people away.

[distant cloak]

Im running the restorer hive in my healer build, for the launcher slot is there a + restorer charge mod? I keep finding stinger and stim charges mods 🤦🏻‍♂️

+repair charges *

[vestal ibex]

Yes there is a +4 but it's not really that important.

[distant cloak]

Okay thanks 👍🏻

[glossy scarab]

just messing around with mag size buffs to see how big they get

[ivory briar]

Any tips and recommendations on how to improve my load-out to be more incursion ready? Still yet to attempt it and wanna see if you guys think i need to change some stuff up or not

[bronze hound]

Take off the armour cores

Change FP to Ceska and change some CHC roles to CHD

[ivory briar]

Back to countdown loll, thank you

Would you personally use any different skills to the 2 I have equipped or would you say they’ll be fine?

[bronze hound]

Wait

Swap survivalist for gunner or firewall

And swap chem for reviver hive

[vestal marlin]

Isn't demo ok too for dttooc?

[onyx sage]

doesn't apply to yourself

[vestal marlin]

Still helps the team 🙂

I also like running lefty instead of rock n roll for the option to sledge

[onyx sage]

it's a very miniscule buff still, not worth losing an actually useful spec over it

[vestal ibex]

DTTOOC is 5% where fire wall would give teammates 10 amp if you are within 10 meters of that enemy as well as the striker shield giving you 5% amp per enemy and teammates in the shield buff range get it too.

[forest forum]

Does any1 have a fav future initiative set they use for CD? I'm just not feeling mine with ninjabike so looking for ideas what y'all use. Specifically for countdown if that helps. Thx in advanced!

[sterile scarab]

@vestal ibex I saw your video chem launching love birds/ can a group of 4 do it from inside the room not exiting the starting area?

[vestal ibex]

Well Oxy strats only typically work when enemies are in one spot. Gate doesn't allow that.

[sterile scarab]

Not even after breaking drone?

Thanks @vestal ibex

[vestal ibex]

It's just not worth the hassle no mater how you slice the oxy thing on love birds. I've been speed running the incursion and our best love birds from gate open to mission completion is 55 seconds. The reason you don't ever see people doing the oxy stuff is because it is very hard and the builds aren't something most people have, including the one person in said vid. There was a ton of things that were unknown to them and the rest of us had planned and figured out how we wanted it to happen much in advance.

[vestal ibex]

I will say it's up there on the list of "cool things" you can do in the game. It's like a 4 man DH run imo. Something you can say you've done but it's not worth much more than that.

[sterile scarab]

Your a great player really impressive I'm a big fan thanks @vestal ibex

[hexed steppe]

anyone running perfect opportunistic on an eclipse foam CC over perfect creeping? since we got setup bp im thinking of rolling a few to get one to fit my hazpro build.. just wondering the feedback if its workable or missing too much from losing the creeping

[vestal ibex]

I would guess if your team mates do target the ones CCed you'd be good.

I acutally think of doing this some times.

I do like being a goopy boi tho.

[hexed steppe]

i was thinking mainly for cd. alreeady hitting with scorpio and perfect sledge. im gonna test it out and see how it rolls

[vestal ibex]

I think it would always depend on the group so it'll be a mix bag of results imo.

If I see someone with EP I'm shooting the goo dude but you know how it is when you goop and scorp and no one shoots the one guy and it's just internal screaming.

[hexed steppe]

XD yeah, i hear that. i usually goop and run past to the next

debuff heavier stuff

or spawns if i catch them

5th roll, nice

[urban latch]

check out the red fi guide in the spreadsheet

[mild stratus]

Perpetuation + Trauma any good?

[astral kraken]

i have you beat by 0.7% lol

for cd i ditch creeping death b/c the spawns are so predictable anyway

and opportunistic + sledge + scorpio is so much more useful on extraction

[forest forum]

I'd rather see what favs ppl have, if not its cool. Buddy of mine pm me so i got a couple ideas.

[hexed steppe]

yeah im liking it. only ran it around open world so far. ill test it out in CD tomorrow.
i ended rolling like 30 more and got hazpro/haste setup with like 90% rolls so only needed a couple optimizations. rolling like 97% haste /100% hazpro now

[urban latch]

I mean red FI is what I run for countdown if I want to run support

[forest forum]

Ah, more specific. Thx!

[delicate wigeon]

Anyone on ps5 able to party up and shareplay to help me improve my build

[vital wing]

could someone recommend a more tanky dps build get about 2.4-3M dps but im squishy asf

[glossy scarab]

should probably rethink that chest and knees

[vestal marlin]

Swap to ceska with obliterate and see how that feels?

[vital wing]

ill give it a try thank you

[delicate wigeon]

Anyone? :/ idk how to make my build stronger

[vital wing]

Been trying to get the heartbreaker build but literally have no chance on gettin that coyote mask

[glossy scarab]

just keep playing. it'll come

[delicate wigeon]

Farm countdown with mask as targeted. Get it pretty quick

[glossy scarab]

also make sure you finish the countdowns and extract on time so you can save up enough points to buy exotic caches

[delicate wigeon]

^^^

[fickle light]

send a picture of your build here and we can help

[vital wing]

thank you ive just been grinding the mission but its getting annoying because im getting nothing off it

[delicate wigeon]

Tried that. But people start saying stuff I don't get or I get confused

[fickle light]

i can explain if you get confused

[glossy scarab]

thats bc ppl here are shite at explaining clearly

[fickle light]

so true

from what i remember you were using a strikers build, i dont remember the non-strikers peices though. i'm pretty sure i remember St Elmo's being on your build which is great. Otherwise you just need to get the right stats on your gear and you'll be doing the incursion and raids in no time

[glossy scarab]

see what pieces you have that that are the brands grupo, ceska, fenris, walker & harris

of mask, chests, holsters, knees and gloves

[delicate wigeon]

All my gear is 15% weapon damage. Just trying to swap out the strikers chest for ceska and then the ceska knees for strikers. But Im confused about to hoe to balance chc and chd and how to get perfect rolls

[fickle light]

balance chc and chd by prioritizing CHC and CHD on your high end items (so the yellow ones) and your weapons/gear mods. Your strikers armor should ideally all be CHD.

[glossy scarab]

the chc cap is 60, you want to be as close to 60% as possible

[delicate wigeon]

So always put chc on yellows. Then chd on greens

[fickle light]

Perfect rolls dont really matter, as long as they are decent you are fine (75% or so, so for CHC like 4.5+, ect for chd)

your yellows should be weapon damage, CHC, CHD
your greens should be weapon damage, CHD

[glossy scarab]

its ok to keep green pieces with CHC. i use one or two sometimes

possibly useful

[fickle light]

this advice is more strikers specific, but yeah, keep green peices with CHC on other builds if you find them.

[glossy scarab]

im only saying that because it seems like we're working with a limited inventory and sometimes you just dont have the right stuff to get the chc up without chc on one of the strikers pieces

[delicate wigeon]

I'm at 60 chc and 90chd ATM. But when I start swapping them over it drops alot :/

[glossy scarab]

make sure you're not over 60

take a chc mod away from your weapon

[delicate wigeon]

I don't have a chc on my weapon :/

[glossy scarab]

put a weapon on that does

[fickle light]

Arent you using St Elmo's?

[delicate wigeon]

Yeah but can't take it off

[glossy scarab]

oh my bad

elmos 20% chc

duh

[fickle light]

St Elmo's has 20% because of a mod. Between that and2 chc rolls from your highend peices (not gonna count 10% from shd watch) you should be hovering around 32% base. Throw a Ceska chest on for another 10 and you are around 42, then 2 CHC mods on your gear and you'll be at 54, which is very capable.

[glossy scarab]

just gotta find the right chest and mask

[fickle light]

^

[delicate wigeon]

I got a perfect god roll coyotes

Just need to swap chest and knees around

Trying to get 15% strikers knees is not going well tho 😦 can't even get any to drop let alone be 15%

[glossy scarab]

keep working on it

gotta have that piece

[delicate wigeon]

I'm just hitting burn out 😦 not making any kind of progression is a bummer

[glossy scarab]

then pick it up another time. dont play if you're mentally done with it

[delicate wigeon]

Just got ninjabike messager bag from exotic cache

[glossy scarab]

dont wanna get sick of the game

[delicate wigeon]

It's not mentally done. Just grinding for 1 item and not having any way to increase my damage is depressing

I can't even really do countdown. I get carried so I end up just shooting ppl across room

[fickle light]

You can do countdown, theres 8 people. the amount of "weight" you have to pull is extremely small.

[glossy scarab]

yeah its frustrating. its gonna get a lot easier when you have a strong build

yeah you can just follow people, and pick up loot and just defend yourself

[delicate wigeon]

Just wish I didn't have to basically get god rolls on every piece of gear. Having to get atleast 2 high stats so I can recalibrate the third

[glossy scarab]

you dont need the highest rolls

[fickle light]

you dont need godrolls, gamer. 60-75% is good enough, then you can look for rolls that are higher

[flint wave]

you don't need God rolls

[delicate wigeon]

Ik but I Wana do be doing activies and stuff but they all require good builds. I Wana farm oroborus. But I got no chance. I can't even do the weekly legandary mission

[flint wave]

good builds can have no god rolls

and solo legendary is going to be some of the hardest pve content no matter your builds rolls

[delicate wigeon]

Not even solo. Just being able to help a swuad do it

Tried hosting one. Litrally got 1 shot by a SMG from across the room

[fickle light]

They dont- my striker build is like mostly 75%+ stuff with one perfect roll on each peice, because of recalibration, and my striker build is what i bring to every incursion i've done so far.

[delicate wigeon]

Probably doesn't help the build I Wana use doesn't work at high level

[fickle light]

What build do you wanna use?

[glossy scarab]

my shit is all max because i get lots of drops where at least one attribute is max rolled w gear sets

but thats from playing on heroic. although it can happen in challenging

[delicate wigeon]

I like skill builds. But I've been told everything other than turret and drone build is useless :/ I love my stinger hive and firestarter chem launcher

[glossy scarab]

eclipse protocol would be a good set to farm then. for the fire chem launcher

turret and drone builds are super effective

btw

[fickle light]

yeah, that is a bit of a problem. Its not that they "Dont work at high level" its that they are incredibly slow for damage. With raids and the incursion, you only have like, a minute max to deal damage to the boss you are fighting. You are extremely safe using a skill build, but that also means you deal no meaningful damage. Its a great build for legendary, because of the safe factor, but raids and incursions are a different story.

[delicate wigeon]

Ik but I don't like how the AI works on the drone since they changed it

[glossy scarab]

yeah eclipse would be perfect. it is squishy though so you might wanna use a shield bc that would be really strong

or a fixer drone to keep your armor up

[delicate wigeon]

I'm already using a shield with striker so wouldn't change much. Atleast I'd have the 6x shield health from tech points

[glossy scarab]

yup

[delicate wigeon]

I think that's what irritates me most about this build. I get it's strong but having to build up stacks for damage is depressing when I can't get close to shotgun for stacks cos I just get insta killed. Then the stacks drain so fast it becomes unbearable

[glossy scarab]

what difficulty are you playing

[fickle light]

Stacks drain at 2 per second. Thats a long time for your stacks to go, and even the slowest fire rate AR will keep your stacks. Elmo's has a pretty respectable fire rate, meaning it does stack strikers pretty fast. You dont need to stack with a shotgun, either.

[delicate wigeon]

I'm playing challenging countdown just cos the drops

[glossy scarab]

are you dying or getting thru it

[flint wave]

and the 2nd fastest reload in the ar class without fast hands and a 70 round mag

[delicate wigeon]

If I stay in cover and only shoot enemies who are busy I survive. But the second a hunter sees me I'm dead. Even 1 shot to shield kills me

[flint wave]

stacking and maintaining has never been easier

[fickle light]

For now, try stacking with just Elmo's. When you are in stuff like the incursion then you can shotgun stack, but if you are getting shot from all angles you will just die.

[glossy scarab]

the difficulty might be a llllllilttle bit more than you're ready for

[fickle light]

through oneshot protection and the respectable shield health even on t0?

[delicate wigeon]

That's why I Wana swap from strikers chest to ceska with onslaught.

[fickle light]

because a genuine oneshot should not be happening

[delicate wigeon]

If they are the shotgun ones my shield drops then my health in 1 shot. But the rifle ones 2 shot me

[fickle light]

Even rifle ones shouldnt be killing you in 2 shots

[delicate wigeon]

They do :/

[fickle light]

i'm not gonna say i dont believe you, but i'm not buying it

[delicate wigeon]

I can litrally pop out and be dead in 2 seconds.

[fickle light]

Try swapping from shield to decoy. Throw decoy down and enemies will focus that for awhile, that might help with your dying issue.

[delicate wigeon]

I have 660k armour and 283k health. And no resistances other than 50% pulse

[vital wing]

soon as i see a hunter i hall @ss

especially with gc

[fickle light]

Hunters killing you in two shots is normal, but random rifle enemies? Nah.

[glossy scarab]

yeah you need to turn around and get to cover as fast as possible. and if you can, just straight up run away and never stop

without scorio esp

[fickle light]

Hunters see even tank builds armor as cardboard. Squishy DPS builds are not standing up to them in the slightest without the hunter being CC'ed.

[fickle light]

I see where i went wrong. I saw "rifle ones" and i assumed you meant random rifle enemies, not rifle hunters. My b, apologies.

[magic pilot]

.

Wow purple looks weird on me

[fickle light]

i agree

[flint wave]

kid named pfe mods

🪓 nvm

[fickle light]

thunk.

[delicate wigeon]

Probs doesn't help I don't have any friends who play. So I end up doing everting on my own

[fickle light]

#lfg-raid-console and #lfg-playstation are your friends on that front

[glossy scarab]

try to stay with a group, dont be off too far on your own

[magic pilot]

My clan is open

[delicate wigeon]

I mean like proper friend group. A proper group of me and like 3 other people.

I have 2 real friends and neither of them play division :/

[flint wave]

ok but he's on ps4

[delicate wigeon]

So many guns I Wana use but none of them would work with this build DX

[magic pilot]

I'm on ps and pc

And my clan is open on Xbox

Check the tags

[urban latch]

Your on PC now?

[flint wave]

whatever you say purple name

[magic pilot]

PC is coming tomorrow morning

[flint wave]

ur lame

[magic pilot]

I have a friend running the Xbox clan and I'll be running pc and ps

[mild stratus]

Anyone want to take a look at my build so far and tell me how awful it is? 🙂

[magic pilot]

Sure

[mild stratus]

Cool. Thanks.

It's sidearms only, so ignore the guns.

[fickle light]

Well, uhh, thats not much of a build.

Dunno how to say it otherwise.

[glossy scarab]

yeah kinda a jumble

[mild stratus]

You think?

[fickle light]

That looks like "Oh, i just finished with Warlords and have used every yellow peice i've found so far"

I'll suggest Summit for a basic Striker build, then Countdown.

[mild stratus]

Interesting.

[glossy scarab]

i mean the three empress pieces is usually a good thing, its just not matching up with the rest

[mild stratus]

No?

[magic pilot]

4pc

[glossy scarab]

too many

[fickle light]

I say striker build because its generally good anywhere, but any of the builds on the sheet are good enough for most places.

[mild stratus]

Yeah, that purple holster is gonna annoy me, but I just haven't turned one up.

[glossy scarab]

ah i see

[flint wave]

the classic "just came out of new york" build

[fickle light]

Its better than it could be but also not good.

[mild stratus]

I see. So what makes it so bad?

[flint wave]

Its not a pistol build

[glossy scarab]

it doesnt have direction

[flint wave]

more like a skill build

[fickle light]

Its a "pistol build" with no "pistol build", its a skill build with no skills, a damage build with no damage

I'm not being mean, not trying to come off as mean atleast. Its just... not much of anything.

[mild stratus]

No no. I get it.

[glossy scarab]

you need to keep on farming and build up your inventory

you probably dont have much to work with

[fickle light]

Your main focus should be to get a build you can learn the game with, and go up to challenging with. Challenging eliminates purples from the loot pool, meaning every bit of gear you get will be gold, exotic, or a gearset item

[mild stratus]

So you wouldn't say there is some synergy between Anarchist's Cookbook and Cherished? And that Future Perfect reinforces the Shield and Drone?

Because that drone is PISSED when it hits 6+

[fickle light]

Cookbook and Cherished are an alright, but not great way of getting damage. Future Perfect is also... alright, but if you really wanted to make use of it you'd be at ST6 instead of 4, so 1 kill would activate the talent.

[mild stratus]

It's five though.

And six happens almost right away.

With 7 right behind it.

[fickle light]

Missed technician, but point stands- on higher difficulties you are needing to kill 2 enemies with a pistol while you have no damage sources past your chest & bag combo. Thats gonna take a while.

[mild stratus]

So what would you personally do to improve it?

[fickle light]

I'd either decide to focus on weapon damage or skills, for one.

If you want to be a skill user for your first build, i'd follow this build-https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=a7081cdc-b5c5-7677-e166-b27ea3b2f6f8&noteKey=c6f8e9d0c5615e9a45ad57702425d603&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2Fa7081cdc-b5c5-7677-e166-b27ea3b2f6f8%2Fc6f8e9d0c5615e9a45ad57702425d603&title=Drone%2BTurret%2BSkill%2BDamage%2BBuild%2B%2528TU19%2529

Its a Drone/Turret build and its capable of doing legendary, assuming you have people with you.

If you want a weapon damage build, go for any of the builds in the "Red" section of the spreadsheet, which is linked in this channel. Its also where i got the drone/turret build from, made by the wonderful Raucey, who is in this chat quite often.

[mild stratus]

I see. Well, thank you for the looksee.

[onyx sage]

raucey is goated

[fickle light]

Again, your build isnt as bad as it could be, and you are just starting. Once you get going, you'll be doing great.

[flint wave]

D:

[mild stratus]

👍

[astral kraken]

be careful about investing into skill builds early on. there's important content where it either can't be used or will take ages to actually finish

a decent (not optimized) dps build is an early workhorse that's worth having

[astral kraken]

well i made one and oh-my-god

no dch shenanigans and it rips into bosses too

[vestal ibex]

You could run chainkiller and DCH if you want.

The HF backpack could help you out with CC too.

[astral kraken]

i do yea. i love both builds. one is dch/chainkiller/punch drunk/fox's/gift. the other (new favorite) is hf/chainkiller/gift.

the hf version is insane

with the dch version clearing CPs was so fast with white death that teammates couldn't get a kill, but then the boss comes and it takes some shots (even with dch)

with with hf my stacks are already up, run up to bosses face, switch to m870, dead

so satisfying

[vestal ibex]

M870 deletes is so gud

[astral kraken]

could be the chungiest of chungas, doesnt matter

rogues are still the achilles heel though

[onyx sage]

i see you have discovered magic

[astral kraken]

yea its what i love about this game

first magic discovery was how strong a good dps build was

then the magic of ep fire

then the magic of artillery turret and seeker spamming

then d50 determined, white death determined

then bloody knuckles. now this lol

[onyx sage]

have you seen the magic of spawn locations based on where your character looks

[astral kraken]

excuuuse me?

[onyx sage]

capitol is a good example

[astral kraken]

raucey showed me the magic of switching spec without leaving the mission 😂

[onyx sage]

every spawn door in that stronghold, wherever you look when they spawn, they will come out of that door

this also applies to some other missions

[astral kraken]

that's wild. not leg though right? those spawns seem fixed

[onyx sage]

especially legendary

[astral kraken]

whaaaaat

[onyx sage]

in the first stage, you know to run up to skip chungas and dogs right

[astral kraken]

yea but i hate doing that

[onyx sage]

if you do that and then get 4 kills, whichever door you look at will spawn enemies

[astral kraken]

ok well im gonna try that, thank you.

you guys are crazy lol

so many cool things O_O

[onyx sage]

i run legendary mostly nowadays so tips like that i try to get a hold of quickly

[astral kraken]

what build do you like for house chamber when carrying?

[onyx sage]

still HHF

aka HF with HH + regulus

[astral kraken]

so foam them up top, push, then camp door?

[onyx sage]

usually i have someone else run EP foam yeah, i always run decoy as safe bet, then jump up and camp door

the other 2 can stay down and finish off stragglers

[astral kraken]

gotcha. yea whenever i run leg with a good team it feels like heroic

random matchmaking is really challenging sometimes

so im always looking for builds that help push through when the team just isn't running good gear

[onyx sage]

i'll say capitol is quite hard to get through first stage alone with matchmaking

usually i'm the only one alive in a 4 man

[astral kraken]

chamber has always been tough in that regard. my absolute worst case scenario build is hard wired seekers. i put that on if i think we have no chance.

otherwise it'll be an all blue/pfe scorpio regen tank thing. if its a good team then i can run normal builds

[onyx sage]

you can also do focus strikers and camp the right stairs or the door to the left of that that also looks outside

it's what i use in solo too when i don't feel like gambling with HHF

[astral kraken]

right stairs... house chamber?

[onyx sage]

yeah, the rotunda right

or you mean the room with the cameras where you jump up?

[astral kraken]

this hellhole

[onyx sage]

yeah okay i don't really know how to call it but it's frankly quite easy even solo carrying

i run in first, climb ladder, throw decoy, jump up

[astral kraken]

yea thats what ive been doing. i'll throw a couple fire grenades up there first. then either decoy or foam or both

[onyx sage]

i'll call it house chamber from now on

rooftop i run focus striker 90% of the time and peek left side of the stairs

if i run with my clan they'll have a decent EP foam role and i can run HHF

[astral kraken]

thx for the tips!

[onyx sage]

ofc, i have tips for the other 4 as well

[tawdry flare]

I hate the roof the dogs have insane accuracy

[shy willow]

I hate sniper and grenadier dogs so much

[astral kraken]

drones will forever be top tier a-holes

at least with everything else you can avoid it relatively easy

but with drones if you get into a bad situation it's often game over

[shy willow]

White tusk bomber drones

[astral kraken]

how about invaded manning, in that enclosure with artillery

one of these days im going to make a build just for that stupid stage

[shy willow]

YIKES

[onyx sage]

drones are okay honestly. i just hate grenade dogs

[astral kraken]

i think everyone has shared this experience in leg as they were learning it:

1. you are in cover with low health
2. enemies are all aiming at you
3. if you aim you die
4. if you run you die
5. drone comes and triggers OSP
6. you start to use medkit as other drone approaches

[onyx sage]

yeah that's basically checkmate

drones only activate based on LOS from the drone operator to you, so as long as you play properly you can use it to your advantage

grenade dogs just lob nades as they please

[astral kraken]

duuude i've noticed this! that's why on some stages if you hang back a bit they rush you

they basically turn into shotgun rushers for a moment

[onyx sage]

same goes for grenadiers too

[astral kraken]

i also noticed if you kill a minitank the operator gets really aggressive and rushes in too

better to bait him to the tank tho

[onyx sage]

yeah he basically turns into regular assault AI

[astral kraken]

what effect does killing the sniper's helper drones have?

[onyx sage]

nothing. i think they were meant to shock you but they never did

and so they just annoy you

[astral kraken]

i never shoot them lol

[onyx sage]

yeah

[astral kraken]

i let them buzz around and go bzzzt every few secs

[onyx sage]

in zoo legendary boss stage, knowing how to bait the drone operators is key to dealing with them effectively

[astral kraken]

i must have done that one like 10 times and i still dont know exactly how to kill the bosses. been meaning to look it up.

i just shoot the thing that pings yellow and it works out

[onyx sage]

if you look up "zoo scorpio trick" you might find my video kek

[astral kraken]

oh nice will do

[onyx sage]

but the key is to stuff your gun muzzle inside them and ignore their armor

[astral kraken]

yep sounds like this game lol

[onyx sage]

otherwise it really is just doing absurd damage towards them because they just have that much armor

[astral kraken]

once the adds are gone they never felt threatening tbh

[onyx sage]

yep

in my solo run i have to quick kill one of them before dealing with adds

[broken crane]

Guys just got dlc expansion today on ps4 and I’m starting fresh is there a “simple” build preferably dps/survivability sustain

It’s on sale for PlayStation for 8.99

[glad heart]

No special builds until you complete the DLC. Every level from 30 - 40, the gear becomes obsolete. Wait to build till you reach level 40

[broken crane]

Yeah already on lvl 39 just wanted to make a list of what pieces to start farming what to look for

[glad heart]

You should check out the pinned spreadsheet for this channel has many builds. Builds are really complex subject, to complex for a simple chat message. Everyone should have an all red DPS build and that would be providence, ceska, grupo, Foxes prayer (named knees,) but that only scratches the surface

[broken crane]

Damn thanks I make sure to check it out, only played it a fews after the game came out and stopped playing it cause I didn’t wanna spend 30 bucks for a dlc so I stuck with d1

[glad heart]

I played Div1 for a long time

[violet smelt]

Do our main weapon's attributes (dmg to health, dmg to armor etc) applies to our skill as well?

[tawdry flare]

DMG to armour applies to many skulls like oxi artillery turret fire chems burn sticky stinger hive demo firefly etc dttoc to oxi and demo firefly

[violet smelt]

So if I'm holding an LMG for its big DTOC stat, my oxi can hit harder?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah but you want a shotgun with dttoc for oxis

12% dta and 10% dttoc vs 12% dttoc and 6% dta

[violet smelt]

Oh I see. Even when I'm still holding the chem launcher in my hand? Or do I have to quickly switch to the shotgun after firing the oxi?

[tawdry flare]

I think you have to switch to shotgun

Cause maybe you fire chem with chatterbox

Or any other weapon

[violet smelt]

Ok thanks!

[magic pilot]

Pull out oxy after having shotgun out

With oxy in hand your last equipped weapon still affects your skills

[violet smelt]

Cool. So I can have the launcher on my hand all the time ready to fire

[violet smelt]

OOT but you have a funny username lol. Do you hate chameleon that much? Lol

[magic pilot]

Yep lol

Look at my profile gif

[round zinc]

Bros a living L

[gentle lichen]

What's funnier is that i see in pvp for some reason

Laughable damage

[stiff jasper]

2 type of people who Pathetic

1. Deal no damage with a build that dealing damage for purpose
2. Use a build that suppose have no damage (healer, control etc.) and act like dealing damage

[astral kraken]

Why problem make when you no problem have you don't want to make?

[sullen sun]

Contractors or Grupo gloves for sniper in DZ?

[stiff jasper]

What type of sniper build you asking

[sullen sun]

Contractors, Coyote mask, glass cannon, fox prayer, the gift

White death, Nemesis

[stiff jasper]

Should I assume you crit, or headshot?

[grizzled garnet]

Im guessing crit

[sullen sun]

Using ranger in White death

[grizzled garnet]

Since coyotes

[sullen sun]

Crit

[gentle lichen]

Relying on crits when each shot is detrimental isn't a good idea imo

[sullen sun]

I typically one shot

[gentle lichen]

Focusing on headshot especially for white death would be the play

[gentle lichen]

With crit?

[sullen sun]

Yeah, glass canon and ranger

With coyotes

[gentle lichen]

Exactly that's my point. What if it doesn't crit

[sullen sun]

It typically does, Im never alone in the DZ

Usually with my clan

[gentle lichen]

I prefer to always 1 shot guarantee with my sniper build. If i want to popshot I'll use white death and if i want to just snipe i use mantis which does around 3m

[sullen sun]

Nemesis does way more

[stiff jasper]

Pure crit, ok, then
Coyote, perfect focus, sniper brand vigilance, contract, fox prayer, grupo

And nemesis only, no white death

[gentle lichen]

You have to charge

[sullen sun]

No prob for me

[gentle lichen]

I use nemesis when i use 3/3. But mantis is good for chaining headshots quickly

[sullen sun]

Hard to get HS in DZ though

That’s why I’m going crit

I drop someone usually one shot

[stiff jasper]

Wrong game sense

[gentle lichen]

I only do body sniper shots when the head is not exposed but the body is

Like through a car window or something

But you should always go for headshots

[sullen sun]

Well obviously yeah if you can get it

[gentle lichen]

If you notice their armor being 3 blues or less a crit body shot from nemesis is 1 shot. On a 3/3 build anyway

[sullen sun]

So should I change my entire build then?

Just use Hotshot?

[gentle lichen]

If dedicated heashot

If you want to use nemesis you can go for spotter 3/3 meta for kingbreaker and throw nemesis with that

[stiff jasper]

It does having crit sniper build in dz/pvp, but not because hard to aim head

Play sniper and headshot, or drop sniper because you can't aim head

The reason that why crit sniper, because it aim for killing tank, with headshot+crit, you can dealing 4m damage

[gentle lichen]

On the build i use it's 1.9 head no crit 3.1 head crit 1.8 body crit. And it's not a dedicated sniper build

[sullen sun]

well, dropping it is out of the question because I drop most of my targets with the white death anyway typically

But I switch guns

[gentle lichen]

What I'm saying is that when you switch to nemesis all the extra sniper buffing brands or things like that aren't really that needed

[sullen sun]

I see

[gentle lichen]

So you can go crits and kingbreaker or famas to handle close range engagements

[sullen sun]

But they are needed for the white death no?

[gentle lichen]

Yeah for white death but it isn't your go to for crits

[sullen sun]

Well maybe not but nonetheless I usually one shot all my targets 🤷‍♂️

[stiff jasper]

White death don't go crit

[sullen sun]

So go contractors then

That’s my question

[stiff jasper]

If you want to stick with White death, drop coyote and every crit also, go hsd

[sullen sun]

I use both though and I drop them regardless

[stiff jasper]

There lot more knowledge that you need to learn if you want more deep with pvp
For example, anti scan and hazard on sniper

[sullen sun]

I’m lost

Pulse resistance?

Hazard?

[gentle lichen]

Different builds but they are used in pvp

[sullen sun]

I’m so lost rn

lol

I’m sure there’s a lot idk but I’m just saying both guns are typically a one tap for me

Even with coyote

[obsidian lotus]

do i need

[shy willow]

?

[obsidian lotus]

sorry do i need to do dh before i can get eagle bearer in dz

[shy willow]

Don't even try to get eagle bearer from dz

The odds are astoundingly low

You're much better off running DH

Chances are the people in your group will drop one if they get one

[obsidian lotus]

i havent done dh tho and no one ever wants to sherpa

[shy willow]

If you have a DPS build they'll be fine just showing you where to sit and shoot

It's not particularly complicated they'll get you through it

[obsidian lotus]

fair i do wanna do dh at some point but also i wanna get good at dz

shame this game rewards people who put in 8000 hours with ridiculously high stats

[shy willow]

Expertise doesn't take thatttt much hours

[obsidian lotus]

its expertise, optimisation, sh watch level, increased health level from shd watch level

i cant believe i can say div 1 was better balanced and that game had striker classy lmfao

[shy willow]

Increased health from watch doesn't really do anything unless it's someone who glitched

Optimisation is expensive but like it doesn't take that long

[obsidian lotus]

i saw someone w shd level 700k and 2.1m health

[shy willow]

Expertise does take a while but that's for like 20+

[shy willow]

Cheater

[obsidian lotus]

yea ok but why is it smth in the first place

[shy willow]

To make the end game less shallow ig

[obsidian lotus]

it makes it more shallow by adding a tedious grind, smth this game already has, and just creates a bigger rift between newer players

[shy willow]

For PvP sure

[obsidian lotus]

theres an end game rework coming later tgo right?

[shy willow]

Shelved

[obsidian lotus]

ofc

[patent fossil]

...no? The endgame rework is supposed to come with the new dlc afaik

[shy willow]

Didn't they delay it indefinitely

[patent fossil]

The specialisation rework was shelved (but may be included in above endgame rework)

[shy willow]

Oh I was thinking of the spec rework

[obsidian lotus]

do yk what it includes?

[shy willow]

No

[patent fossil]

nope, no further details I'm aware of

[west kiln]

what talent would you slap on an ar?

for dps that is

[obsidian lotus]

depends on the build, optimist, measured, killer, sadist, flatline

[limber crag]

Does the memento backpack work on level 30 work in warlords expansion ?

[west kiln]

just tryna see whats viable to replace the sledgehammer that's on my rpk at the moment (ik its an lmg), ty @obsidian lotus

[tawdry flare]

Go with new reliable if you wanna use rpk

Or an lmg with fast hands cause lmg reload suck

Or sleipner if you wanna do DMG since it is so busted

[obsidian lotus]

I MET THE LEVEL 700K AGAIN AAAAAA

[west kiln]

new reliable? isnt that handling

[obsidian lotus]

im just saying the fact i didnt clock a level 700k as a cheater and thought the game could let you get that op is a failure in the game's design js

[tawdry flare]

Yeah 30% handling is nice if you are using rpk cause it will feel better when using it btw 1% handling = 1% reload, accuracy, stability,swap speed

[west kiln]

o

[obsidian lotus]

do u get faster ads with handling?

[obsidian lotus]

sledgehammer isnt as bad as u think provided someone throws a nade but lmgs are kind of not meta for ur meta builds atm

or at least i dont see them oft

[tawdry flare]

Ads?

[west kiln]

aim down sight

[tawdry flare]

Ahh idts handling affect ads but it tightens the reticule cause of increas in accuracy

[fickle light]

Accuracy, swap speed, stability, reload speed

[winged oar]

im convinced everyone who says hunters fury is good for anything outside of story missions is lying

just not enough damage to get any build going when you're fighting multiple elites

[shy willow]

Headhunters fury:

[shy willow]

Do people put pummel on their 870 in general

I have a perfect dttooc one but idk about the talent

[onyx sage]

yeah pummel

[shy willow]

Ah nice

[onyx sage]

also they left lmao

[shy willow]

Huh

[onyx sage]

they left because HF apparently isn't doing enough damage

[shy willow]

The server?

[onyx sage]

yeah, doesn't it show that to you too

[shy willow]

They've still got the coloured name and roles and all for me

[onyx sage]

probably discord mobile doing its thing

[shy willow]

Likely💀😭

[round zinc]

me when i purposely spread misinformation on the internet

insert funny pic here

[onyx sage]

then leaves without clarification 💀

[round zinc]

you cant lose the argument if you immediately depart from it

[onyx sage]

ez

[round zinc]

no one can counter you

[shy willow]

Is true patriot worth using in any sense

The talent looks funny

[round zinc]

its mid

i did get like a 300 round LMG before with it so its funny

[shy willow]

In concept the team buffs look fun

But idk about practicality

[gentle lichen]

Glorified opportunistic

[shy willow]

Does it stack with opportunistic

[round zinc]

yes

but its not like you need dedicated debuff role that much when a healer can prooobably do the same

[gentle lichen]

But the bag for set is kind of a bis

[round zinc]

fair nuff

[gentle lichen]

If you're dedicating a whole gearset to support with damage buffs why not just go red FI

[shy willow]

I use FI quite a bit I just wanted something a little different tbh

My whole thing so far has been like 90 percent strikers/fi

Put together heartbreaker hunters fury and hotshot idk what other gearsets are worth using tho

[patent fossil]

I like negotiators

[shy willow]

I probably ought to try that too tbh I hear the dps is unmatched across multiple targets

[patent fossil]

it's practical too, being able to damage targets in cover, hit warhound health directly, etc is handy

[shy willow]

It goes through plating?

[onyx sage]

yeah

[shy willow]

Oh damnnn

[glossy scarab]

using that stupid ninjabike to use true pat and brazos for 30% and 20% mag size

[grizzled garnet]

Isnt that used for instakill strats in raids?

Idk how they do it on feiser tho

[forest forum]

Is the chatterbox good for anything? Don't really hear much on it.
I noticed ttk is way less than my st elmos with strikers so I was pretty surprised. Suspect the talent makes a huge difference I guess.

[grizzled garnet]

Only thing ive heard it used for is oxi spam

[hexed steppe]

Chatter box probably pretty good on low difficulty content.
Definitly the main use was alway oxi spamming tho (chatter rof buff affects chem launcher)

[forest forum]

Can you elaborate what you mean?

[grizzled garnet]

What local said above

About rof schtuffs

[hexed steppe]

Chatter just needs to have rof buff procced, then immediately pull out oxi and you can fire faster that the reload animation

[forest forum]

I'm not understanding oxi spam.

[hexed steppe]

Stacking oxi in 1 spot kills faster as it stacks the damage from each oxi

[grizzled garnet]

Held skills take on buffs of the last held item and makes use of procced buffs

[hexed steppe]

Perfect allegro, measured talents also affect chem launcher but to a lesser degree.

[magic pilot]

Glory daze too

[forest forum]

Most i got online as long as you can kill every enemy with half a magazine or less, the Chatterbox effectively gives the agent infinite ammo. So I'm guessing that's what y'all mean.. That would explain why it wouldn't be ideal for the harder content if you're not really killing enemies with half a magazine or less. I forget this isn't really for questions, just build advice.

[sterile scarab]

@hexed steppe / @vestal ibex smg with matador + intimidate sokolov or this week's hunter killer? What would give more damage when intimidate is proced?

[hexed steppe]

It's probably fairly close tbh, But with sokolov you get a small portion of your damage up front. I would test it side by side if possible

[sterile scarab]

Thanks - my ps doesn't have hunter masks I just wanted to know before farming if it was worth it thanks @hexed steppe

[onyx sage]

if you get expertise on your smg, the gap between the 2 widens even more

but getting a red hunter killer with double crit is a pain

[magic pilot]

Hunter killer will beat out any normal intimidate

[magic pilot]

That's the real issue

[sterile scarab]

What about this week's?

[onyx sage]

i haven't gotten on yet

[sterile scarab]

I'll get more dmg with this week's?

[onyx sage]

let me check ruben

[magic pilot]

I didn't see it yet

[onyx sage]

hazpro and crit chance

[sterile scarab]

It has crit chance . I got it on pc but switched 2 years ago PSN just wondering if worth it

[hexed steppe]

Are you planning on running armor core anyways?

If not, than no

[sterile scarab]

No all red build got you I'll stick to my current. Thanks

[past gazelle]

Hey need some advice should I run strikers or the build I’m currently using? I don’t have maxed chd on my watch so my st Elmo’s is making that go up to where it should be. Then I’m planning on using a maxed rock n roll shotgun. But here’s the thing I want to have a build for an eagle bearer pve- I know it’s not the best blah blah but I’m a simp for how it looks so just need some advice thnx

[astral kraken]

If your Striker build is mostly optimized then it's personal preference.

Incursion is really the only place you'll want Striker for the peak DPS it provides.

(which you can get a feel for on the shooting range)

[past gazelle]

Alright thank you

[hexed steppe]

I would double check to make sure not over chc cap of 60%. Can check by removing a chc mod or piece, if it's still 60 you're way over cap. If it only a few % over it's all good as 60 is gonna be best dps available. If so I would remove the ceska and replace it with a 3rd providence.
You might also look into contractors gloves over fenris as long as chc wont take a hit doing it.

I used to love an all highend build until I moved over to negotiators. Nego is very similar but with some added damage transfer mechanic

[past gazelle]

It’s capped because of the st Elmo’s and I have the gift providence bag with perfect vigilance I just gotta max it out. Without the st Elmo’s I’m at 48 chc and contractors gloves gives you lmg dmg what’s the benefit of those?

[hexed steppe]

contractors has damage to armor, its a separate multiplier. 48 without elmo, so 68 with... change the ceska to providence and youll see 58%chc in that case but a lot more chd

[past gazelle]

Alr I’ll do that, should I keep the grupo bag since it gives me chd

[silver forge]

anything i can do to improve my sniper build? chest is for perfect headhunter so im not changing that, dont have any good kneepads rn but which one should i get

[hexed steppe]

yeah keep, the grupo and 3prov gives ability to stack the chd 👍

[hexed steppe]

yes, get a hotshot knee to replace the current knee. replace the hotshot bag with airaldi vigilance talent bag, or gift bag that is on sale at cd vendor this week. vigilance will greatly increase your damage

[hexed steppe]

also determined on white death lets you chain bodyshots as headshots. this is how i run and its hitting around 28mil

[silver forge]

alr thank you, white death gives perfect determined?

[hexed steppe]

nope, you roll regular determined on it. perfect determined is on sup par pieces

if you get a d50 pistol thats also good with determined

[silver forge]

alr also does the secondary weapon really matter that much

[hexed steppe]

not really, i like elmo cause the handling makes it easy to hit heads when shtf. scorpio good as well for the status stuff

[silver forge]

ok thanks man

[hexed steppe]

yw 🍻

[flint wave]

I use nemesis because sometimes no tac 50

[hexed steppe]

nice

[cyan drift]

@flint wave 34,371,803 damage grenade

my highest so far is a hair under 50 million

[flint wave]

Maybe this is another way to kill the dua legendary boss before he heals

[cyan drift]

the odds on that are so unfathomably low

you'd need multiple people to have the cluster nades to glitch, at the same time, with this otherwise-useless build on

and be within grenade range, which is barely possible with that guy's EMP

possible yes feasible no

[bronze hound]

Christ

[tawdry flare]

He has 138 million hp

[untold hearth]

Just out of curiosity, is it possible to run an all Red Striker build in the incursion. BUT is there a possibility to Run the Striker Build with a few Blue Cores??

This is how I always run incursion but I'm curious to get experimental with Blue Cores

Except that Foxes Prayers, I replaced it with a full red Grupo knees

[urban latch]

Blue cores will only hurt your team

And you can get a bit more damage running ceska instead of grupo or foxes

[orchid cloud]

personal preference is foxes