td2-build-advice

[shy willow]

Absolutely

[rapid sable]

Dont need em all aha

[cerulean smelt]

nah until you get past the 11+ where you put in a lot of exotics for one upgrade

[livid horizon]

Buy every named item at vendors 20 times each week to donate. Also craft everything you can to donate

[flint wave]

just grind countdown

[gentle lichen]

At this point I don't expertise my gear past 11 or 15

The returns are unlike the damage expertise or dmg reduction from drone

[shy willow]

That's like 90 runs

[flint wave]

exactly

anything for the expertise gods

[hazy steeple]

It should be noted that Optimisation is supposed to be an alternative to farming out a godroll (or a minor addition on top of a 95% perfect thing) and not a full replacement for farming entirely.

[cerulean smelt]

the expertise armor is based on the gears base armor (non core armor)

[shy willow]

That's what like 24 hours

Of just countdown

[round zinc]

is it more efficient than donating mats?

[gentle lichen]

It is. If your shd is high enough

[shy willow]

To get one gun to Hugh expertise

[hazy steeple]

You didn't read what I wrote.
anyway, yeah buying 20 copies of a Named item is basically cheaper than farming out the mats for it. What else are you going to use Credits on?

[livid horizon]

Never waste expertise upgrades on armour. Use it on weapons or skills only.

[flint wave]

supposed to be

[cerulean smelt]

no spec weapons?

[shy willow]

You use spec weapons?

[flint wave]

I think it was intentionally made expensive to optimize

[cerulean smelt]

i imagine a level 20 tac50 would be amazing

[hazy steeple]

Nug just isn't open to the endgame strat of 22 Expertise kneepads.
wasteful gang, rise up!

[livid horizon]

Yes, at first. After you'll still need to donate mats

[livid horizon]

Nah

[cerulean smelt]

pretty sure crossbow, minigun, flame thrower, grenade launcher? and the rocket launcher would be useless

[hazy steeple]

It's a shame that Spec Weapons are character specific, not account-wide.

[gentle lichen]

It is though. Every resource needed to optimise a piece can be either bought/crafted. So if you have enough shd you can get a chest with shit rolls and optimise it to godroll

You'd only do it on 3 roll unicorns imo

[livid horizon]

I'd love to but honestly I have so many weapons and skills to upgrade first I simply don't have the exo components to do it all. So I don't upgrade armour at all. Weapons and skills only.

[hazy steeple]

One day I'm going to follow through with making a 22 Expertise Backfire, then you'll all see.

[livid horizon]

Wow

[cerulean smelt]

what if i want to see it now? 😜

[astral kraken]

See you burning from a mile away yes

[livid horizon]

Highest expertise items I have are regulus, m870 and white death

[hazy steeple]

You can use only credits to buy all the mats needed to optimise gear, can you?

[flint wave]

why the m870 and white death

they one shot pretty reliably anyways

[hazy steeple]

And we're talking about getting gear to Rank 10, not Optimising things.

[cerulean smelt]

two very different things in the end XD

[livid horizon]

One tap hhf build. Hh works off weapon damage. So the higher the wd the more likely you'll one shot

[forest forum]

Click on a gun you have least amount of expertise in, shotgun or ar or whatever and make sure you just keep it on that. Play back to back to back. Usually it goes by very fast on challenge and just donate as much as possible. That's what I'm doing i just donate what i can and whatever i can't i destruct the weapons and use that for donate materials for a gun i do want to proficient up in. You probably already know all this but i thought I'd share anyway.

[gentle lichen]

2 of the needed resources can be gotten with shd points and 1 you can use credits to buy weapons/equipment to dismantle for receiver components or protective fabric

[shy willow]

I've always wanted to try HHF until I realised I can't headshot with semi auto guns for shit

[flint wave]

I see that on the pistol but it's pretty hard NOT to one shot on white death or m870

[hazy steeple]

So not just credits.

[shy willow]

Was talking about gaining exotic components

[rapid sable]

Whats hhf 🥸

[shy willow]

Headhunters fury

[cerulean smelt]

head hunter, hunter's fury

[forest forum]

You want a more stabilized gun C7 is a great one for headshots

[gentle lichen]

I referred buying as using shd points

[hazy steeple]

This place and its initialisms, I swear.

[rapid sable]

Hunters fury left me salty

[gentle lichen]

That's why i said if your shd is high enough

[livid horizon]

True, mostly overkill

[rapid sable]

I have white death it is pretty insane

[shy willow]

HHF uses regulus and m870

[rapid sable]

The headshot dmg alone

[cerulean smelt]

head hunter is a talent that if you hit that 150% headshot you do more damage. something like 1250%?

[shy willow]

Caps at 1250 on chainkiller yes

[rapid sable]

What about the talent that makes any shot count as a headshot thats good for 1 shot builds

[forest forum]

Oh specific kind only

[rapid sable]

But u need to hit a headshot 1st

[cerulean smelt]

determined?

[rapid sable]

I think so

[shy willow]

Determined is great

[rapid sable]

My borther runs it with hotshot

[livid horizon]

Determined is auto aim

[rapid sable]

Insane

[rapid sable]

Fr

[cerulean smelt]

you get your headshot kill with determined and you just keep going headshot no matter where you aim on the target. oh i see your foot sticking out and head shot

[shy willow]

I'll admit I can't hit headshots without it with a sniper consistently

[livid horizon]

Harder on console

[shy willow]

I imagine on PC it's much easier

[cerulean smelt]

i finally got 2 deagles today. 1 with dtooc with determined to boot, the other just dtooc and some crap talent on it

[hazy steeple]

Damage is capped to 800% of your weapon damage. This is raised to 1250% if your headshot damage is greater than 150%."```
the stuff in "()" is the Perfect version, aka: Chainkiller.

[forest forum]

Yes on pc you're in more control

You got more buttons

[cerulean smelt]

and far as i can see doesn't have that weird slowly turn mechanic joystick users suffer with

[forest forum]

And you can just tap away lol

[shy willow]

Y'all have a whole arm to aim

[cerulean smelt]

though, now i might have to try out HHF with deagle 👀

[forest forum]

You can use xbox controller on pc too

[livid horizon]

https://youtu.be/3fQp8BS3gkQ?si=J3tOFQKI2kvzj7Nj no determined needed on mouse n keyboard

[cerulean smelt]

i know, but i don't really play with it

[shy willow]

I wish I was actually skilled enough to hit headshots with regulus

That gun looks really fun

[forest forum]

My partner use the keys and taps at everything.

[cerulean smelt]

nods i get lucky but a lot of the times they bob their head as i fire and i miss.....

i have to be like trinity in matrix. regulus to their side of their head and "dodge this"

[livid horizon]

If your standing next to the enemy it's a lot easier

[shy willow]

I imagine if I had someone running foam then it'd be much easier

Or if I had all the spawns down

[forest forum]

I gotta do CD got my work cut out for me for nxt ten hrs or less, hopefully. Good talk, thx every1.

[cerulean smelt]

good luck

[shy willow]

I couldn't countdown for 10 hours I'd lose my mind

[forest forum]

I love it lol

[shy willow]

Not enough mechanics to keep me sane

[cerulean smelt]

i lose my mind doing 1 countdown period

[forest forum]

I love the running lol

And the big win, at the end. Idk, so rewarding.

[shy willow]

Funny how my reward is having my teammates striker drones and stinger hives get hacked and destroy me

[cerulean smelt]

the times i've ran countdown is mostly failures. people getting disconnected, people leaving, or just can't kill hunters then everyone leaves

[delicate laurel]

Usually the hunters spawn thej break from the BT

[cerulean smelt]

oh, did they change it to only spawn there?

[shy willow]

I hate it when people try to go 1v1 the hunter then get bodied

[round zinc]

wait until someone brings exuro into cd

[shy willow]

ROGUE INCINERATOR TURRET DETECTED

[cerulean smelt]

that would be me just to troll (> <)

[delicate laurel]

Everytime I do CD the hunters spawn with BT then break off and separate

Makes it easier to focus on hunters when you don't BT breathing down your neck as well

[cerulean smelt]

last time i remember running countdown you had 2 hunters guarding 2 of the buff/debuff areas, then you get them before you extract

[shy willow]

At the beginning there's 3 around the countermeasures

[forest forum]

I didn't realize ppl didn't like it that much, but i didn't either for same exact reason (until recently) i was under lvl 100 last time so. But i stick it through. Maybe 1 or 2 out of ten at the end its a total loss. I usually do my best and stick it through and run em back to back. Crap gotta go. Bye. Lol

[shy willow]

And on extract 2 will be in the extraction zone and 2 will push up

[delicate laurel]

I thought we were talking about the end of cd

Yea just focus on the 2 that push there isolated and when you gang up on them thsy can't do shit

[shy willow]

At worst they'll down one of you

[cerulean smelt]

that would be me ;p

[delicate laurel]

Nkt when ya got the elmos or Scorpios talents with foam and banshee pulse

[cerulean smelt]

reload scorpio missing 1 or 2 shots and they come up and just slit my throat

[shy willow]

That's pretty true

Problem is people think Scorpio puts them into god mode so they run into the open to kill the hunter

[cerulean smelt]

or they do those wierd 1/4 acrobats and stop and slit my throat

[delicate laurel]

Riot foam them and dps the hell out of them

[shy willow]

Problem is the jammers

I miss div1 hunters they were actually clever

[delicate laurel]

Clever girl

If you get that reference your a legend

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, ran into one underground and not realize it until i was dead. i was like wait those are hunters?!?!?!

[cerulean smelt]

hmm, constantine?

[delicate laurel]

Jurassic park

[shy willow]

Bro it's crazy like they actively hunt you down and stab you in the back rather than trying to get in a firefight

Totally worth it for classys and exotics

I miss underground

[cerulean smelt]

well, it shows how long it's been since i ran into hunters in div 1

[shy willow]

Resistance too

[cerulean smelt]

i know, was kidding

[shy willow]

And survival just everything man

[cerulean smelt]

oh i remember survival. isn't that a guaranteed hunter?

[shy willow]

On extract yeah

Scary shit

[cerulean smelt]

yeah considering your RNG XD

[delicate laurel]

Ya know what makes it worse the Blizzard and it being night time

[cerulean smelt]

oh god yes. until you get close and see their health bar but can't really see what you're looking at

[shy willow]

The dead bodies everywhere in the extraction area

[delicate laurel]

I swear I was paranoid I was looking everywhere I remember hiding in a corner gun aimed in front of me 🤣

Felt like I was being watched

[cerulean smelt]

then your throat got slitted?

[delicate laurel]

Nah I noped tf outta there

[cerulean smelt]

i'd probably do the same thing honestly

[delicate laurel]

I was like ok Mr hunter I just gonna go the other way

[delicate laurel]

I was like shaggy and scooby when I noped tf out there

[cerulean smelt]

even at night i get a bit skittish. my UI goes wonky. i'm like ok what's going on then i hear the smoke vanishing act

[delicate laurel]

Hunter: sir/mam we are here to talk about your cars extended warranty 🤣

[forest forum]

Um quick question, should i go with crit chance or damage?

[cerulean smelt]

not their student loan debt repayment program?

[cerulean smelt]

you love them fenris pieces don't you?

[delicate laurel]

My guy you don't need 3 million creds 💀

[forest forum]

Just something for time being time i get everything else

I want to be ready for this countdown mission I'm about to go on

[delicate laurel]

I shouldn't be talking I have 1.5 mill creds

[rapid sable]

I thought it was 300k😭

Gah dam 3 mill

[delicate laurel]

Nope 3,300,239

[cerulean smelt]

need you 2 to share some of your credits to me please 😜

[forest forum]

Srry guys lmao

[delicate laurel]

Ya can have my 1.5 mill creds

[hazy steeple]

Just run some Bounties if you're really that desperate for Credits.

plus all the Chameleons you could possibly want as a bonus.

[delicate laurel]

What am I gonna do with 1.5 mill creds though

[forest forum]

Well i been selling all my irrelevant gear from countdown i guess it added up

[delicate laurel]

Ik I'll buy a nice house

[cerulean smelt]

think i spent mine on recalibrating gears and expertise upgrades and possibly crafting what i could for a build idea in the end

[hazy steeple]

Buying excess Named Items from Vendors for Expertise adds up fast.

[cerulean smelt]

you know like i was, i need to try this collector build but with china light!

[hazy steeple]

15k a pop.

[forest forum]

I'm gonna use this instead

[delicate laurel]

Damm

[forest forum]

I'm using this for the time being so i get to use unbreakable and clutch during countdown till i get the other stuff

[delicate laurel]

Why the TKB?

[cerulean smelt]

sure it's not king breaker? ;p

[delicate laurel]

It's 430 am leave me alone 😭

[cerulean smelt]

lol, i'm kidding though. i would've thought regular tkb with flatline myself

[delicate laurel]

My brain ain't braining

[forest forum]

I like the damage and i wanna try it

[cerulean smelt]

my question would be like "why technician?" but was thinking maybe they're leveling it so sounds good

[hazy steeple]

Well Flatline + Technician is a potent combo.
even better if you make the Chest something like Spotter.

[cerulean smelt]

small percentage of the game?

[cerulean smelt]

well, people told him unbreakable talent or obliterate

[forest forum]

This is why i like using it

[hazy steeple]

And this is why I dislike "only meta stuff" people.

It ruins variety!

I've been running my HF setup in the LZ during Reanimated with Mad Bomber and holy cow that is a fun combo.

[cerulean smelt]

yes it does, and sometimes i like to go off the end and try something just to see XD

[forest forum]

Ughh gotta go time always flys for me.

Thx again every1

[hazy steeple]

MB+flashbang and you're able to blind the entirety of DC and half of WONY with one nade.

[cerulean smelt]

like i was thinking. Collector + mad bomber and backpack. check and hangs head mad bomber is a chest talent....

[hexed steppe]

hunters cant jam you @ 100% hazpro 😎
my only CD build..

[cerulean smelt]

nice lol

[hexed steppe]

actually switched gears and did some cd rounds last night. been a few weeks since i hopped in there

[cerulean smelt]

and you'll get 2 different leaders. One looks at your build and wtf kicks you, the other will be like ok boys we're going to have an easy time with hunters tonight

[hexed steppe]

never been kicked from cd

[gentle lichen]

Have another version full status after all hunters

[hexed steppe]

foam is 😍 , everyone knows the score

[gentle lichen]

And switch back when extracting

But too much work in cd ig

[hazy steeple]

It's like, who bothers to kick from Countdown? One Striker build can carry it.

[delicate laurel]

When in doubt foam it out

[delicate laurel]

Meanwhile me in the corner eating my happy meal 🤣

[hexed steppe]

no, its not needed. the only switch i make is from fire sticky to jammer for shd crates... i do have a hazpro version with the ep bag for more damage but its just better with creeping and 10m foam hits

[livid horizon]

would work for extraction tbf

[cerulean smelt]

here i was trying to figure out how you got 100% haz pro, then i looked up EP and was like ah there's the missing percentage

[delicate laurel]

⭐

Here is a gold star lost

[hexed steppe]

yeah, if running vile on a normal ep build youll be sitting at 50% hazpro

[livid horizon]

neither, its a trash piece

[hexed steppe]

i used to run it lower hazpro with a couple disrupt mods, but i prio haste anyways since stuff dies quick. just decided to make the swap one day and put all the haste in mods and just haz the pieces. i was able to keep my haste high and only lost like 20% status effects (2 seconds foam duration) as a result of the switch ... never looked back as it works awesome

[livid horizon]

I run my disrupt immune foam build with 3 x disrupt mods & perfect Creeping Death. I never run out of foam and have decent status effect stats.

[cerulean smelt]

i wish cavalier was a useful gear set in general. sharing your haz pro sounds so amazing

[hexed steppe]

nice. for me it was just swapping mods to rolls and having full immunity whether its fire/disrupt/foam/shock. even turbine floor shock is no f's given 😆

[livid horizon]

ahhh I see you have full immunity from any haz. nice every now and then.

[hexed steppe]

its just an extra foam now and then on a heavier target. but its like that anyways since theyll be out quicker than a normal npc

[fading timber]

whats the current ideal healer build?

[round zinc]

yea but one fell swoop and "Rogue incinerator turret detected" will be the last thing you hear

your entire team shivers in terror as the weak ass spinny turret vaporizes the entire team

and the guy who uses it is probably doesn't even know that he can self destruct it even when its hacked

[livid horizon]

yea, generally it's a bad idea to bring skills to CD

[forest forum]

Example how many guns i pick up in countdown, even picked another scorpio. I didn't have time to set my target loot bc i took time to change my reload speed. 10% stability sure makes a really big difference. Thought I'd share for those aren't doing countdown. Definitely worth it!

[livid horizon]

ugh, blue rolls.

But yeah tons of loot drops in CD.

[hexed steppe]

I didn't have time to set my target loot
can set it anytime outside of the match fyi, shares same target loot with summit.

[hexed steppe]

gottra have that armor regen bro /s

[forest forum]

Dude i did not realize that, thank you! Time saver!!

[radiant heron]

3 piece striker with ninjabike backpack, perfect glass cannon and fox prayers is it a good build?

[lethal trellis]

I doubt it would be less damage compare to striker backpack and obliterate chest

[livid horizon]

Hell no

[hexed steppe]

No. Ninja usage over striker bag drops you're damage significantly. Obliterate being the only twd source will be just as much damage as regular glass once stacked. Perfect glass will be an increase but it is probably not worth the trade in damage taken to get there.

4pc striker with bag, ceska oblit, coyote or grupo mask offer a solid/safe dps.

[grand vector]

one day i will get banned for me flaming blue build users in countdown

[thin patrol]

Yes and striker meta is the most boring, those people have no imagination at all.

[livid horizon]

I like to imagine stuff dead. Strikers does a good job of that.

[hexed steppe]

Everybody free to make a build as suppar as they want 🤣

when it comes to advice, people are asking for what works the best...

[tawdry flare]

Lol

[ivory abyss]

So I’ve been trying both versions out in countdown anyways and to me

Strikers without the chest using obliterate feels the best even if it’s less dmg overall

[forest forum]

I did not see this. Dangg. That's really something. I guess you have no prob doing incursion!

Tried to get the build for the bird one just don't have it yet

[stiff violet]

so i trying to decide what is better on my hunter fury, i have 3 blues and 3 red, i used to run all blue, because i like to get up in their face, i use oreo and a acs-12 with striker shield and revive hive

[hazy steeple]

What are your other 2 piece outside of the HF ones?

[gentle lichen]

Acs is not ideal for dps so i'd suggest an m870 or six12

[stiff violet]

i don’t remember off the top of my head but i know one gives me smg damage and one gives me shotgun

[stiff violet]

i have a god roll m870 i just thought acs-12 was higher dps

[gentle lichen]

You're better off with grupo that benefits both

And memento

[hazy steeple]

Sokolova and Badger.
what is your CHC like?

There's not a lot we can do without the details of your build, just give general advice.

[gentle lichen]

Ideally ouro would be 59 with shotgun being 38

Thing is with hunter's fury is that if you use both an smg and shotgun you're either going to lack chc in shotgun or overflow with chc in smg

[hazy steeple]

You're primarily going to be using an SMG when its crit focused anyway, because shotguns on it work a fair bit stronger when it comes to HSD.

So an m870 w/Pummel is a decent backup if you really wanna lay some extra damage into one target and have some reds around to help with the Talent.

[stiff violet]

i’ll look later and send pictures when i get home that show more detail

[hazy steeple]

2 pics is more than enough. One of the main page itself showing your gear, and one of your stats page showing the crit+hsd.

[stiff violet]

got it, i’ll send it later, i have a good striker build but i’ve been using it for so long i’m just trying to branch off and do something new and with my play style i like to get up right in their face so i thought HF would be my next best option

[livid horizon]

Striker works up in the ace too, especially with Oreo.

[hollow pasture]

HF is great for open world solo imo

Paired with memento and an obliterate chest
That is my go to solo build

[bronze hound]

I wouldn't pair HF with anything other than reg/m870

[hollow pasture]

?????

If ur doing solo open world with HF you can use a smg and be as aggressive as you want

[livid horizon]

yep it does allow for more aggressive play but strikers obliterate just melts with oreo, so much so that i find its easier than HF

[hollow pasture]

It's just personal preference for me
Personally I don't really use strikers solo open world

[hazy steeple]

I prefer HF over Striker for solo for the heals, honestly.
but Striker does win that exchange for the damage.

[hollow pasture]

Oh yea that aok is great on HF

[flint wave]

me when memento striker

[livid horizon]

I ran HF for about an hour in open world then switched to Strikers. Strikers won hands down

[hazy steeple]

.....I already said that Striker wins overall, but I prefer HF for the heals.

[hollow pasture]

I find having a purpose for different builds helps with not feeling bored by running the same stuff so HFs purpose is open world stuff

[hazy steeple]

Being able to play a little more recklessly means you can switch your brain off more, which is nice.

[livid horizon]

Yea I was just saying I was really surprised because I thought beforehand it would be HF that would be better for open world, but i found sometimes things wouldn't die quite quick enough and I'd be in deep trouble and sometimes go down. This did not happen with Strikers.

[hazy steeple]

Well if your goal is killing stuff ASAP and remaining focused, Strikers is 100% going to win over pretty much anything.
but I don't run the LZ with ingame audio on, so I'm not exactly "focused".

[hollow pasture]

Me with watching a video or listening to music

[bronze hound]

That's why I said "I wouldn't"

[hazy steeple]

I like listening to an incredibly niche proto-podcast that went on for way too long and has aged terribly.

[hexed steppe]

Personally havent used Hf in a long time.
It's not a bad set, but it forces you into an aggressive cqb style of play...and with the damage buff conditioned on you being close you kinda need all the heals just to stay alive.
I prefer nego over striker or hf any day of the week... no stacks, no conditions to meet, just damage where and when you need it 🍻

[hollow pasture]

Opposite for me tbh
One day ND can feel extremely fun the other it's just feeling clunky

[onyx sage]

i ran blue ND back in the day with scorpio and just played cqc. i should try it again

[hollow pasture]

Blue ND hmmm 🤔

[flint wave]

ND is weird in multi-player

since strikers kill stuff before you can abuse the multitarget mechanic

[hollow pasture]

It's just a by-product of strikers being way too good tbh

[flint wave]

I mean unsurprising that a set that gains more damage by hitting shots is good on a game where enemies frequently have iron skin

[hollow pasture]

Yea I'm not complaining about that per say
More so bring other builds to near strikers

[flint wave]

or nerf strikers

to avoid power creep

but then heartbreaker might catch way up to strikers

[hollow pasture]

I don't think they have the balls to do that at this point

[flint wave]

true

it's been intertwined with the game for too long

[hollow pasture]

(waves around how HB was at launch)

[flint wave]

it's like removing DTTOC third attribute

even tho this one I wouldn't mind personally

[hollow pasture]

Honestly at this point the one glaring issue I see is they need to make all the other exotic weapons be able to have their 3rd attribute rerolled
But I wonder if they are scared to that as they'd inevitably introduce some big ass bug

[thin patrol]

If someone asks about a Ninja backpack build, most people just point the middle finger at that person. And says the only thing that works is stiker meta. Instead of saying, Nice cool that you want to have something other than the TuxedoBandido striker meta

[hollow pasture]

Using tux as an example is bad since he does random builds tbh

[tropic topaz]

HB?

[flint wave]

bluescreen lmg on its way to have 22% DTTOC

[hollow pasture]

Heartbreaker

[tropic topaz]

oh

[thin patrol]

Would you point the finger at a person who wants to use Ninja, like 99.99% of the people in the discord do.

[hollow pasture]

I would tell them there's better options but if they want to use a funish build with it
Use strikers plus umbra

[flint wave]

I don't see people ask for "ninja bike builds" here

just that they post their ss in build advice with ninjabike on like a hunter fury build

[viral zephyr]

What we thinking about this ? I generally play pve

[flint wave]

perfection
10/10
change nothing

destroy those control points agent💪 😀

[tropic topaz]

that's a lot of striker pieces

[viral zephyr]

Lovely stuff

[thin patrol]

Works well in all content and Legendary.

[hollow pasture]

Even in the new difficulty they added
Legendary ++

[flint wave]

legendary summit 10 directives EASILY beaten by this build

[boreal widget]

I usually use elmo only this works?

[green pumice]

Serious?

[green pumice]

Yes

[boreal widget]

Trying to unlock the gunner specialization is there an guide to finish it fast?

[green pumice]

Probs on youtube

[patent fossil]

lots of guides online

[boreal widget]

Alr thanks

[hollow pasture]

This is good yes

[green pumice]

im just putting some random pieces together, this build is 60% crit chance and 200% crit dmg and my striker set beats this so hard. no wonder everyone is running striker 😄

[cinder charm]

yerp best build in tha 1st… and 2nd…

[hexed steppe]

So like, telling someone the truth about something isnt a bad thing... ninja is a gimmick bag that's just a carry over from div1 where it was also a gimmick bag...
So, making it clear choosing it lowers your overall effectiveness is more a public service than a middle finger.
It's a build advice channel, advice should improve builds.
As for what's suggested, those are always going to be top damage builds when it comes to dps... before striker rework it was heartbreaker that was pushed a lot.
🤷‍♂️

[cinder charm]

striker is jus… striker

[hexed steppe]

Striker is top single target.
Nego is top multi target.
Headhunter builds are great damage as well.
No gimmick shit gonna change those facts till another set comes out that's better...

Personally I like nego because it's a lot like high end which is what I moved from. The way it works compliments my prefered Ar/rifle setup.

[hexed steppe]

I havent found that to actually be the case. I run memento on nd a lot and it's never an issue getting kills/trophies in groups... it helps knowing spawns ig 🤔

[green pumice]

Gotta love hunters fury too.

[forest forum]

Go to ubisoft.com just came across it myself. Check this out! This tells you what you can do to unlock gunner.

I had gotten the year pass after the trial version, definitely worth it and quickest way to unlock.

[blissful rampart]

thats not a guide though. BUT guide for it its just like any other. do it on hard so you can breeze through the challeges. Foam chem or Demo fly or tall shield help with those tricky "destory their special pouch 1st" type of steps

[forest forum]

Seemed like he just wanted faster way to unlock gunner so i shared that info.

[boreal widget]

Man the grind looks like a pain

[tropic topaz]

not really

[forest forum]

Get the year pass. Once you understand more its easier. Some like the fun others like the grind. We all got perspectives we like better.

[hazy steeple]

It's really not a grind as such, more of a fairly quick series of challenges.

If you have any specific questions about the challenges, feel free to ask over in #ask-td2-community

[umbral charm]

I’m a returning player an what to get in to the DZ side of things what’s currently a good setup to aim for?

[viral zephyr]

Yh

Newish to div 2 played 1 but that was years ago so learning it all again really and it’s confusing haha so I’m not sure what’s good to run off DPS and that would appreciate help

[hoary oracle]

For an SMG build, 2pc Walker or 2pc Sokolov? Not sure if 5% DTA or 15% CHD is better overall.

[magic pilot]

2pc sokolov

Ends up being 5% WD and 15% chd vs 5% DTA

[forest forum]

Starting to think i should go with true patriot for the incursion. I hope the 4pc is also for the whole group. That's just so cool.

[hoary oracle]

I'll try that - been running 2pc W&H up til now so will see how 2pc Sokolov works out.

[forest forum]

It was a lot at first for me too. Just follow the story and stick with what works. Try diff things and as you go along you learn things in the game. Once you build up your shade/lvl it gets better.

[fickle light]

only you will apply the marks, but ur allies will benefit from the marks

[forest forum]

That's perfect!!!

[fickle light]

yeah i'd still use FI instead

3DPS and a debuffer healer is generally better in the incursion

2dps/debuff tank/healer or debuff healer is just not the same DPS

[forest forum]

I don't understand what debuffer and buff are in the game but i generally try to not ask questions cause its a lot to learn.

[fickle light]

red would be the "debuff" in this case

well, all 3 of TP's marks are debuffs

a debuffer in this case is a build that is centered around making enemies take more damage- red increases the dmg enemies take by 8%, but there are similar effects that are stronger. Opportunistic and Lefty's Perfect Sledgehammer are examples

an FI setup would do what you are trying to do, but heal allies as well- more than the white mark of TP will

[forest forum]

I'm still trying to understand the weapons talents too. Appreciate you explaining that.

[fickle light]

Opportunistic gives enemies you shoot with a shotgun or marksman rifle a debuff that makes them take extra damage

Left's Perfect Sledgehammer applies a debuff when you deal damage with a grenade, which increases the damage the enemy takes to their armor

[magic pilot]

I'm running 2 Walker rn as well cause I have bad RNG for sokolov but 2 sokolov is slightly higher dps

[magic pilot]

Sick

[bronze hound]

It hits hard as hell

I usually enter the room with a nem/tac shot so I don't have to worry about CK

[magic pilot]

Yea I like opening with nemesis or tac as well

Sharpshooter drone?

[bronze hound]

Fixer lol

[magic pilot]

Oof

[forest forum]

Would either or both work okay with striker and true patriot if i were to switch gears?

Ik you were using them as example but now I'm curious how they work with the two 4pc. No biggie. Thx for the info!!

[fickle light]

with striker you are better off using damage talents, as your solo damage is more than enough in most cases- healers can only do so much, so doing debuffs is also great for them

[forest forum]

What are you referring to when you say healers? I just haven't caught on to that yet when its used for this game.

[fickle light]

Like... healing.

[forest forum]

Like in general

[fickle light]

Like, people with builds that dont deal damage, they heal. Repairing your armor.

[forest forum]

I guess striker is better solo than TP

[forest forum]

Gotcha wasn't sure if you were referring to anything else cuz there's always something i don't know

[proud badger]

@hazy steeple thanks for your build help a few days ago

i am now able to do 2 man heroic missions with special bullets, no ammo, no armor and no map

[drowsy lion]

for st elmo i have health dmg and dmg to out of cover. is there better options?

also rn im using coyote mask with 4 piece striker and fenris gloves. anything i should change?

[fickle light]

what main weapon

[drowsy lion]

st elmo

[fickle light]

swap fenris for Ceska and then whatever CHC mods/attributes on gear u were using, swap to CHD

[drowsy lion]

okay will do thank you

so no chc anywhere

[fickle light]

you should get right in the sweet spot for chc with st elmo's, watch CHC, Ceska, and the minor attributes of Coyote's and the ceska peice

[drowsy lion]

cause rn i have chc on chest and a armor mod with chc on my backpack

[fickle light]

20, 10, 10, 12. 52, sweet spot

[drowsy lion]

so i think id be at like 53% with ceska and making those chd

[astral kraken]

What's the BIS gear for striker/oreo?

[forest forum]

@drowsy lion Coyote mask is awesome! I was sad when damage went back to their normal.

[drowsy lion]

on ceska gloves i want weapon dmg chd and what else?

[astral kraken]

chc

[drowsy lion]

okay thank you guys

to farm for the gloves would countdown focusing gloves or ceska be better?

[glad heart]

Focus Ceska, not gloves. And countdown is not the end all to be all for targeting loot... too much hassle Summit way better, a bit boring but way better

[drowsy lion]

should i do summit on heroic or challenging?

also im unsure about the checkpoint saving and such with summit

[glad heart]

If you can handle Heroic, do Heroic, but Challenging gives decent loot as well. Check points are when you go up the elevator, every three floors, and after a boss floor. So make sure you go up elevator after the last floor you do. Then you are good. Hope that helps

[astral kraken]

summit isn't anywhere close to as good as countdown, not sure where they got that

summit is cool and has side benefits but it's 100% slower for loot

[drowsy lion]

Should I try a heroic countdown or is challenging just faster and easier to get loot

[astral kraken]

if you have an optimal dps build do heroic

until then do challenging

rolls are slightly better in heroic but not by a lot. the biggest difference is that on heroic the minimum roll is higher

so you have better odds rng

but you can still get god rolls in challenging countdown. it's just much more rare.

but perfect rolls are not a complete game changer. if you run a proper striker build with everything half rolls you'll be fine for heroic countdown too. it's all about the attributes you pick - max rolls just give you an extra edge

[hazy steeple]

no worries mate, glad I could be of some help.

[hoary oracle]

Challenging is by far a lot easier to get loot - heroic countdown is more to get more credits to get exotic caches from the vendor.

[hazy steeple]

The other thing is that Challenging Countdown is actually almost Heroic anyway, since they scale a little weirdly.
Think of Chall' as Heroic - and Heroic as Heroic++.

[astral kraken]

What's the BIS gear for striker/oreo? I'm running Ceska/Coyote's right now.

[forest forum]

Does Kingbreaker sack on striker with perfect flatline

[astral kraken]

Technically yes but it's extremely slow

I don't even know if you could maintain stacks. Even if you can it'll be just barely.

Kingbreaker + Striker is not a good combo

[forest forum]

Is there an AR that sacks well? Ik in new mission federal emergency bunker on heroic the TKB was able to but it was indeed, slow.

Most of time like in CD seems to maybe get midway at most. Maybe that's why some use SMG bc how some have higher RPM..

Or is it the shotguns, shorter reloads.. I cannot remember which.

[tawdry flare]

M4/famas

[forest forum]

Will grab that, thx!

[astral kraken]

So minimum you wanna run a 900 RPM gun. Just keep in mind that if you're running striker chest even that won't build your stacks enough. Just test everything on the range and you will see how it works.

If you're just using an AR for stack building then you'll definitely wanna swap the chest to something else with obliterate. Ceska is the norm.

IMO there's no point in running striker chest without an ACS-12 (or Rock'n'Roll) for building stacks.

And the only places where you'll find yourself needing to build so many stacks is countdown, incursion, and maybe some other very specific content here and there.

But yea if you don't run the striker chest then an AR with more than 900 RPM will do.

And, again, test it at the range so you can feel it out for yourself.

[forest forum]

Are you talking about talent for acs-12 on chest or like with shotgun?

[astral kraken]

The shotgun. Every pellet counts as an individual stack builder.

So take any ACS (Lefty, stock ACS, Rock'n'Roll) and try it on the range. You'll see how fast it builds.

[forest forum]

I'm using high end with unbreakable fenris group (for chest) till i get two diff set of gears from CD. Rebuilding striker 4pc and now getting the TP 4pc.

[astral kraken]

You can min/max it with talents/attributes later. Literally any ACS will be good for building stacks.

[forest forum]

Just saw ur message smh

[astral kraken]

There are like 3 variants

[forest forum]

You type faster than me lol

Thanks I do appreciate it

[astral kraken]

np!

[vapid orbit]

What's the best attribute and talent for an ACS12?

[astral kraken]

what are you using it for?

[vapid orbit]

Striker

[livid horizon]

Lefty or rock n roll

[vapid orbit]

Lovely, thanks

[astral kraken]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=0ee25268-ad51-0dd8-be36-f12373c7630a&noteKey=ed1072bcb59a18f66b8619994f12c4e6&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2F0ee25268-ad51-0dd8-be36-f12373c7630a%2Fed1072bcb59a18f66b8619994f12c4e6&title=Strikers%2B%2528TU19%2529

build guide talks about the ACS in more detail

[vapid orbit]

Think I have a couple of Lefty's lying around

[livid horizon]

Lefty is great cos sledgehammer

[vapid orbit]

Thought that was for healer builds, what is the Rock N Roll?

[astral kraken]

thats the one i prefer personally

it's an acs with an extended mag

but it's dz exclusive so you either need to farm it in the dz or open named caches

doesn't matter which acs you run tho if it's just for building stacks

[round zinc]

alternatively you can use an ACS with pummel

[astral kraken]

and you can still sledge as a non healer btw

very useful to have a dps sledger in incursion

[round zinc]

its a 10 round difference and pummel refills your mag

[vapid orbit]

Well, I did find a god-rolled ACS with Pummel

[round zinc]

jackpot

[astral kraken]

So what's the optimal way to run the oreo? I'm finding that it's not as OP as people have been saying. TTK is a bit faster but I don't get as much range as an AR and I can definitely feel the -20 rounds compared to Elmo.

I've been running it with Striker/Ceska/Coyote's

Trying to figure which builds it'll fit into and where it'll replace Elmo/Famas for me.

[azure kelp]

What’s better for a dps build the chatter box or st Elmo’s?

[fallen comet]

elmo

[hoary oracle]

It comes from conflict caches most - you get them just playing conflict

[hoary oracle]

I find it underwhelming as well. Doesn't feel too much different from using Lady Death to be honest.

Is funny on a striker build, has some niche uses on a haz pro dps build but other than that it's not the complete monster it's been hyped to be. If it had the same chc and chd mods the Elmo has then it's be a different story

[astral kraken]

It's an awkward fit in my builds right now. Still trying to figure it out.

[livid horizon]

you sir, are misinformed

the amount of DPS the Oreo puts out is far beyond any other weapon except for the regulus, in the entire game right now

[astral kraken]

are people just running it with HF and striker? or some other way?

trying to figure out which types of builds it fits into

[hoary oracle]

I've used the gun and compared it to both LD and Apartment - all at 20% expertise. It is a good weapon, just not really the one single weapon to use like how St Elmo's ended up being when that first dropped.

[hoary oracle]

Explain then how I'm misinformed

[livid horizon]

So the DPS of the Orea on a 6 blue striker build, still outperforms the dps of an all red Famas Striker build, That's how pwerful it is,

@hoary oracle

[livid horizon]

Any build you want tbh, it will improve dps on any build you use it in,

[hoary oracle]

Whet about on other build setups other than striker? Are you saying that the only way the gun works is with striker and nothing else?

[livid horizon]

it works on any build. If you want more DPS, just use Oreo. simple as that really,

[tawdry flare]

Negotiator heartbreaker or standard high end exists for dps

[livid horizon]

Obviously there are some builds that support DPS players so you wouldn't necessarily use it on everything. but for more damage > Oreo

[hoary oracle]

Or just use Lady Death as that has a damage boost talent unlike Oreo? Even Apartment boosts damage from shooting

[tawdry flare]

But in term of maximum DMG output striker and nego are dps king for single and multi target dps

[tawdry flare]

The thing with oreo is it's fire rate the per bullet DMG is on the lowest side of smgs

[livid horizon]

I actually don't like Oreo on an ND setup, since you fire so many bullets in such little time, it feels like I spend more time trying to 'mark' enemies, when I could just have killed them already

[livid horizon]

Lady Death is soooooo bad compared to Oreo

[tawdry flare]

You talking same thing as dod lol @urban latch needs to put some context here

[livid horizon]

Elmo's is nice for ND

[hoary oracle]

That's my problem with it - it spits out bullets like no end but the damage per bullet feels a bit lacking.

[livid horizon]

you have to be accurate - if you miss for a second, you've missed with a LOT of bullets

[tawdry flare]

That is the point cause it has the highest dps bar few weapons

You can go body shots

Oreo will take care of it

[livid horizon]

but if they all hit (which they should if you're in SMG range) then the damage is v high

[hoary oracle]

That's literally any weapon in the game then if you get all shots on target; shotguns and snipers for example

I do think its talent could do with a bit of a buff as well

Getting to throw statuses back out what you get hit with is a good idea, just doesn't last long enough

[livid horizon]

not to the extent that it effects the Oreo, because of the fire rate. That's where the DPS comes from, not from per bullet damage, but from the Oreo fire rate

if you spend too much time missing your bursts, your wasting a massive amount of damage

[tawdry flare]

Need eevee to use her signature line

[astral kraken]

Improve by how much though? Because I'm giving up range. Elmo is very accurate and shock rounds are useful for a lot of situations.

I can definitely feel the DPS buff with oreo but it doesn't feel that crazy. Or I'm just running it wrong I dunno.

[livid horizon]

Gotta be up close to get the full benefit, but I think the cross-over bewteen Oreo and an AR is around 25 - 30 meters

from 0 -25 meters its Oreo, after that its an AR like Carbine 7, Famas, etc

[urban latch]

What I've been running with ouroboros is mainly strikers with ceska + coyotes, which gives the ouroboros 60 (63)/163, and then I use an M4 for long range with +30% in optimal range mods and ranger, but only 37 chc. The ouroboros will out damage the M4 even into the high 20ms, so I only use the M4 at long range. With those mods it has 46m optimal range, max chc from coyotes (main reason I always run my own on this build) and a base of 153 chd

Strikers, hunters fury, and nego I think are the 3 best setups for it. But I've also been dicking around with it on a purple build and random matchmaking into heroic missions and I'm still getting by far the most damage and kills over other people running strikers + Elmo

[astral kraken]

Thank you! The M4 mod is clever, will think more about that.

[urban latch]

The M4 with that much range feels pretty crazy. You'll basically never be out of optimal range, so you just do more damage the farther you are.

[livid horizon]

Need to know your range well with that setup. I guess the Coyotes icon gives you a clue

[urban latch]

Ranger is nice because it tells you exactly what range your shooting things at

[livid horizon]

ahh cool

I have a C7 with the talent I can roll so might try ranger

[urban latch]

Yeah C7 works just the same

[livid horizon]

is accuracy an issue?

(bloom)

[urban latch]

Idk, I find the ouroboros to be crazy accurate for a smg. I'm regularly getting 65%-70% accuracy at the end of runs

[livid horizon]

I meant with the M4

[urban latch]

M4 is one of the most accurate guns. Your going to hit less on targets that far away, but your not going to do better with anything else. Obviously that's your backup though. Ideally your using the ouroboros as much as possible and staying within it's range where you can

[viral zephyr]

Good to here bro I’ll carry it on after work

[rich lotus]

Does skill efficiency still give 10% skill damage, haste, status, repair, duration, health?

[slender shadow]

Hey. Fresh 40 here, just completed story. So where the fuck do i start to farm gear for a build? I like Assault Rifles and Rifles

[urban latch]

Check out the pinned Google doc. There's a bunch of info and build guides in there

[bronze hound]

does handling include optimal range i dont remember

[urban latch]

No it doesn't

[bronze hound]

ok

raucey did you see i finally got my 3/2/1 build up and running

[urban latch]

Yeah, I'd still go with chainkiller though

[hazy steeple]

WH = Reload, Swap, Accuracy, Stability.
Actually speaking of Stability, there's something I've always wondered. Is there a way to detect ingame if you actually reach the 100 Stability on Hotshot, or is it just a "feel" kinda thing?

[bronze hound]

i start off the room with a nem/tac shot so it auto procs hh to basically max

ck doesnt help with that

[urban latch]

Stability is listed in the stats page. You can also tell you've got 100% by looking through a scope and having 0 sway

[bronze hound]

white death used to have (literally) no sway

[hazy steeple]

Cheers, never thought to check the stats page.
I'd rather trust hard numbers than assumptions for sure.

[bronze hound]

wait hotshot adds stability?

or am i misunderstanding

[hazy steeple]

Remember, WH is stability as well as 3 other stats.

30% at the 2pc bonus.

[bronze hound]

no? thats mmr damage

wait am i missing something

is it not mmr damage then hsd

hold on im bringing up spreadsheet

[bronze hound]

wtf

[vestal ibex]

Get rekt noob

[hazy steeple]

Hey now, we're all a little tired sometimes.

[bronze hound]

brb removing the wepaon handling

[vestal ibex]

Yeah 100% stability is so gud on MMR builds tho.

I'm never going back.

[hazy steeple]

It does seem an odd choice to not have it in the 4th piece slot instead, but I ain't complaining.

[bronze hound]

can 100 be reached?

[vestal ibex]

Easy.

[bronze hound]

does it actually remove swap

[vestal ibex]

No but you reload and swap super fast.

[bronze hound]

okay thats what i thought lol

[vestal ibex]

I get the 4pc hots for if you don't wanna reload but that's the only + for it to me.

[bronze hound]

i prefer doing more damage

hence why i run 3/2/1

the one really annoying thing is i could never one-shot yellow dogs with my white death (legendary 4-man)

[vestal ibex]

3 pcs hots is literally picked just because it's the best stats gain on 3 pc out of all you can pick.

[bronze hound]

mhm

[tawdry flare]

2pcs is fine if you go 2 2 1 chainkiller

[bronze hound]

why 2 2 1

[vestal ibex]

If you had 30% HSD+30% MMR damage+30% WH on a brand set we would just use it.

[bronze hound]

just go 3 2 1 chainkiller

lol

[tawdry flare]

Only have 6 slot

[bronze hound]

yes the 1 is chainkiller

[vestal ibex]

Just put the DCH on.

[tawdry flare]

Lol

[bronze hound]

wait no

3 1 1 1

[vestal ibex]

2+2+1=5

[tawdry flare]

2+2+1=221🧠

[bronze hound]

3 hotshot, chainkiller, airaldi, habsburg

[bronze hound]

anything can equal anything if you divide by zero 🧠

[hazy steeple]

Wouldn't that just equal it to 0?

[livid horizon]

Gotta hit the weak spots

[bronze hound]

lemme prove it brb

[tawdry flare]

0/0 undefined

[hazy steeple]

🖩 here ya go, use this

[tawdry flare]

I win against ai feels nice human race ftw

Btw who is this guy in the Petter emoji is it Yannick?

[hazy steeple]

I always thought it was Jay Bauman.

[bronze hound]

@tawdry flare 2 + 2 + 1 = 6

[blissful rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/explain-plan-theory-crazy-insane-gif-22079506

[bronze hound]

lol

[tawdry flare]

= 0 * 0 = 6 * 0 => hence proved

[bronze hound]

i told you dividing by zero you can do anything

[bronze hound]

i did say that

[tawdry flare]

@bronze hound

[bronze hound]

erm actually its 1

dividing anything by itself is 1

i have papers to back this up

lemme get them and send to u

[hazy steeple]

I will pay you actual money if you stop talking about this.

[bronze hound]

xD

[tawdry flare]

@bronze hound send your PayPal to AI

[bronze hound]

nah

[tawdry flare]

A GenAI that generates Money

[merry stone]

ninjabike adds 1+ to any gear/brand set passive requirements??

[bronze hound]

yes and its bad

[blissful rampart]

correct, fun big meme exotic sadly though

[merry stone]

i wanna make some freaky builds using it 🥵 🤭

[vestal ibex]

Ninja could be good if there were five seperate brands that had the 1-2 unlocks synergize tho.

[tawdry flare]

@blissful rampart I found ninjabike meta finally

[blissful rampart]

thats been known for a long time already 😛 best exotic component in the game 🤣

[tawdry flare]

Best meta meme set no competition you can use 5pcs 5.11 without losing any any DMG and brandset bonus

[vestal ibex]

I'm sad I wasted the couple seconds reading this.

[tawdry flare]

I am glad

Is ubisoft connect broken all my friends are removed

[vestal ibex]

You deserve this...

[tawdry flare]

💔

[onyx sage]

i knew it was gonna be a 5.11 reference, dinosaur joke

clearly you can make a better effort and make better use of ninja with 5p improvised instead

[flint wave]

pfe

[tawdry flare]

[blissful rampart]

lol 6p improvised might out dps ninja bag HE builds

[flint wave]

if only it allowed second gear mods on backpack, masks, and chest

[tawdry flare]

Lol

[livid horizon]

Turns out I had a god rolled M4 with flatline from an old HB build that I never use, so went with the 4x scope and a mod for optimal range plus ranger and it works really well like you said, thanks

[onyx sage]

m4 is my guilty pleasure gun. it's just an old reliable

sometimes i just don't feel like famas-ing for weeks on end

[tawdry flare]

lol i use m4 on maruder drones in roosevelt

it does more dmg due to the drop off taking effect

[onyx sage]

i still champion famas wherever i can but i acknowledge m4 has its place, the elmo is based on it anyway

[tawdry flare]

yeah i want lighweight m4 back

and lvoac

[hot pebble]

Repair skills only deals with skills that heal and not medkits right?

[vestal ibex]

Yeah a medkit isn't a skill, spec choice has the biggest impact on the medkit tho.

[bronze hound]

The ones that still don't one shot?

Because I'm not referring to the fact they have armour as can't one shot

I'm referring to the fact you can't do enough damage to their health

[livid horizon]

yea you can, tis easy

just use m870

[bronze hound]

On a sniper build on 4-man legendary?

[livid horizon]

HHF

[bronze hound]

On 4-man legendary?

[livid horizon]

yep

[bronze hound]

That won't even work

[livid horizon]

m870 one taps np

[bronze hound]

Last I checked it does not do 25 mil

[livid horizon]

no, it does 6 mil, per pellet

x8

[bronze hound]

6 mil per pellet sounds wrong af

[livid horizon]

go check

[bronze hound]

Where are these numbers coming from

[livid horizon]

i can show you if you like

[bronze hound]

Show me

[livid horizon]

ok one sec, lemmie load up the build and show the damage from one tap

expertise 20 on that m870, but its still a lot of dmg

[bronze hound]

Send a pic of the build

[bronze hound]

And you expect to keep vigilance?

I'm sorry but have you ever ran 4 man legendary with that thing

[livid horizon]

i bet you could 1 tap without it, but bear in m ind, this is without ANY team buffs whatsoever

[bronze hound]

That isn't a speedrun

So with a regular group

[livid horizon]

if you're with randoms, then yea i can see how you would need to work as an individual, but if your with team mates then its not an issue

[bronze hound]

So you're building off the assumption the group is as aggressive as you are which is very rarely the case

[livid horizon]

what I'm doing is saying 6 mil per pellet

[bronze hound]

Not everyone has a group of speedrunners

[bronze hound]

Under the assumption you're not getting shot

[astral kraken]

🍿

[livid horizon]

hehe

could prolly duo DUA with a decent foamer

[hexed steppe]

share bro

[bronze hound]

You pretty much said "don't run sniper, run a CQC build that requires a properly coordinated team to not die immediately"

[livid horizon]

nah, just a decent guy on CC

then you're good

[bronze hound]

Still making assumptions

• cc doesn't mean you don't get shot at all

[livid horizon]

You assumed I was talking about randoms?

[hexed steppe]

technically HF creates its own cc

[livid horizon]

wtf lol

[bronze hound]

I assumed you were using realistic standards

[livid horizon]

realistic?

[bronze hound]

Which I've now learned not to trust

[livid horizon]

lol - your heads gone mate

[bronze hound]

Least I have one 🙃

[livid horizon]

you run HF i'll do CC

we can try

[bronze hound]

Can't play for another Three and a half hours minimum

[livid horizon]

then i suggest you spend your time studying or working rather than argue with me

[bronze hound]

Regardless don't suggest a speedrun build for casual play

[livid horizon]

casual

[astral kraken]

stream this team up I’ll pay per view

[bronze hound]

Especially the polar opposite

"you're not doing enough damage with a sniper cuz it's not a shotgun"

[livid horizon]

stick at the back sniping all day while randoms run about willy-nilly

[bronze hound]

Okay you've definitely never done a 4 man legendary with non speedrunners before

[livid horizon]

ive done all three DUA's with randoms this week for exo cache

[bronze hound]

With HHF?

[livid horizon]

i ran oruborus in the face of everything

but easily in range for HHF

[bronze hound]

That's not what you just suggested though

You're completely derailing the conversation

[livid horizon]

i can run it and record for you if you liike, just takes one decent CC guy and you're laughing

I'll get Nerf to ride with me

and two other randoms

[bronze hound]

For dua and Capitol maybe but for the other three not at all

[livid horizon]

anyways, this point has been proven

[bronze hound]

Id love to see you try and run HHF the first room of capitol

That would be funny

[livid horizon]

I'm up for the challenge

[bronze hound]

So you admit it's a challenge

[livid horizon]

well, its not an AFK build

the risk of death is high

[bronze hound]

What I'm trying to get at is that you can't suggest HHF for every scenario as a replacement for sniping, that's just ridiculous

[livid horizon]

is it tho?

[bronze hound]

No?

How are you even comparing the two

They are completely polar opposites

[livid horizon]

i wasn't - i simply said you can one shot a dogs health with m870

then you went on one

[bronze hound]

But in the context of a sniper build

[livid horizon]

context blah blah

[bronze hound]

You clearly care more.about winning the conversation than what it's actually about; I'm out

[livid horizon]

im not arsed honestly

rather not argue at all

[astral kraken]

so no team up? Hmf.

[livid horizon]

im up for it

[tawdry flare]

I will be foaming

[tawdry flare]

You can

You can skip the first part

Kf Capitol of you run past npcs

[livid horizon]

we can play up until a dog, then i one shot it

[hot pebble]

My buddies and I have done capital with shotguns/shield builds

It’s really not too bad when everybody knows their role

Dua too

[astral kraken]

lotta cqb in capitol

hard w/ randoms tho since you gotta carry often

me: sigh puts on nd focus

[hot pebble]

For the exuro set it says the incinerator turret explodes when disabled

Define disabled lol

Is that me disabling it or an enemy shooting and killing it?

[tulip charm]

Both iirc

[hot pebble]

Then I guess it’s bugged

Still yet to see the thing explode

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hot pebble]

Yea I deconstructed that trash

lol

[merry stone]

it bugs out often

[astral kraken]

Could someone help me understand bloody knuckles with striker? Does it work because there's no higher source of TWD you can get when running striker chest+backpack?

[hexed steppe]

Sawyers can give twd as well .
Bloody knuckles is just connecting with grenades or melee to proc afaik

Could pair it with lefty and proc sledge at same time

[astral kraken]

exactly my thought 😄

[hexed steppe]

Survivalist nades are really good for sledge , probably knuckles as well

[astral kraken]

gonna try firewall w/ shield

[astral kraken]

@livid horizon You inspired me 😂😂😂

[signal rune]

is this good for incursion

[astral kraken]

switch to ceska and ditch the blue core. what you have will do if your tm8s are good dps.

[vestal ibex]

Wai no regulus?

[astral kraken]

lol i dont have one. never did a raid before.

[vestal ibex]

rip GET YOU ONE

[astral kraken]

gotta work with what youve got 😄

haha yea i'd like to get it one of these days. looks like a cool gun

[astral kraken]

reason is when you need the most dps you'll never have the coyote mid buff

[signal rune]

So switch coyote and holster or just holster

[astral kraken]

you can keep coyote for the close range buff but you need more chc. so do coyote/ceska.

incursion is just a dps check so get as much as you can

biggest risks to survivability are the chungas in wright and the adds in lovebirds. but you can learn to deal with them by positioning well.

[onyx sage]

exactly as localdeck said, sawyers is just not as practical as knuckles and being the only twd source you'd use in striker 200 builds, its 25% is a big boost

[broken lion]

Is dmg out of cover multiplicative? Or why is it considered best stat for dmg?

[hexed steppe]

Because it's another multiplier in damage calculations and has few sources

[blissful rampart]

eh well everything is multiplicative, but also additive with their own stat (except amps are never additive)

[broken lion]

OHHH

[blissful rampart]

also DTOOC on guns rolls higher then other stats

[broken lion]

So that initial 10% is an activation of a new dmg stat multiplier instead of adding to an existing multiplier. Got it

[blissful rampart]

DTOOC 10% vs say 6% dta, and targets are near 99% always out of cover so always have that damage buff.

[green pumice]

Unicorn found😋

[livid horizon]

Niiiiice

[green pumice]

Now i need another one😩

[hexed steppe]

I crafted so many Grupo on that same grind for unicorns

[blissful rampart]

pftt not god rolled stats. trash it and start again 😛

[green pumice]

yes sirr

[green pumice]

😅

[glossy scarab]

i have one!

[bronze hound]

wtf is that thing

[glossy scarab]

mortar build piece

[blissful rampart]

omg stop... i can only handle so much !! ima bout to burst! 🤤

[delicate laurel]

Ayo?

🤣

[gentle lichen]

Welcome to the gang

[hot pebble]

lol

[blissful rampart]

Yall got any naturally god rolled chest or backpacks?

[gentle lichen]

It's the fact it's already rolled to unbreakable

[hexed steppe]

ill be impressed when its a habsburg chest godrolled with hsd/handling and headhunter

[blissful rampart]

ohhhh! very nice! got the talent too!

[hexed steppe]

im more than happy to dump 10x optimizations just to save the hassle of farming 😆

[astral kraken]

beautiful

[flint wave]

perfect pvp item

[livid horizon]

I have a mask exactly the same!

[onyx sage]

me repeating this to anyone who says "X is multiplicative" with no respect to anything else

😔

[blissful rampart]

yup!

[slate wedge]

so many youtubers spreadung false information about damage calculations it is so sad

[delicate laurel]

thats why i avoid divison 2 youtubers but NGN

[onyx sage]

ikia, dod, speedrunners are the ones i trust

aside from also fact-checking myself, which I've only done for headhunter mostly

[hollow pasture]

"Hi, I'm iKia"

[magic pilot]

PGC and gift

[vestal ibex]

"Hi, I'm elcruz I love gate strat"

[hollow pasture]

An alternate timeline I do not wanna be apart of 😤

[broken lion]

is this a good lmg or?

[hazy steeple]

You need to change both the Talent and 3rd Attribute to make it perfect, and you can only do one of those.
So it's effectively cut off from Expertise or being "perfect".

[broken lion]

ahh gotcha ty!

[hazy steeple]

The gun itself is good though, play around with it and see how you like the feel.

[orchid cloud]

It's nice but if you want to use this lmg gun for a long run, just change the talent to smth else

Optimal range keeps your dmg as high as possible based on your close dmg

close quarters dmg I think

[forest forum]

Lefty is automatic shotgun! Holy smoke, it's so cool!

[tawdry flare]

Lefty is the best support weapon if you wanna sledge with strikers

It gives you stacks and DMG buff

[vestal ibex]

Just sledge yourself for extra fun.

[forest forum]

Its amazing with the perfect sledgehammer!

[surreal depot]

Don't trust anyone tbh

[onyx sage]

i don't trust myself either

[static oak]

Anyone got a good pistol build

[surreal depot]

Elaborate

[static oak]

Well I'm mean just a good all around pistol build

[forest forum]

What's a speed runner?

[fickle light]

speedrunners are a thing in a lot of games, they try to do things as fast as possible to get records

[forest forum]

Oh okay i was wondering what that was, ty i appreciate that.

[merry stone]

beating game content as fast as possible, including using exploits and glitches

[merry stone]

you got a regulus??

[tawdry flare]

You don't trust me : eyes:

[violet wyvern]

Is it just me or does the orouborus remind me of the chameleon in smg form

The spikes in damage are similar

I've been frustrated not getting it after beating the mission for it

An so I built a new chameleon build

[shy willow]

Theyre both vectors so

[violet wyvern]

Before anyone starts shitting on my build this is my sheild dps build

So that's why you see 4 armor cores

Max stacks it crits for 1.3 million

14 million dps

The artificer heals my sheild it comes with technician

Does anyone know of a way to improve this SHEILD DPS build?

[astral kraken]

When you say max stacks are you including chameleon buffs?

And what's your CHC?

[cyan drift]

I'm about to collapse every building I see

District of Columbia is about to be the District of Combustion

[violet wyvern]

58%

[violet wyvern]

Yeah

Over 100 CHD

[astral kraken]

So I'm not an expert on the Chameleon but every time I've tried to run it in practice vs the range... it just doesn't hold up. Especially when the content gets harder and the enemies are quick to hide and stuff. So on paper you're doing a lot of damage but realistically it's really low dmg. But if you can somehow get those damage numbers consistently then it's really good.

My guess is you need trade a lot of that extra armor to get your stacks though. So it sorta evens out.

You can get exactly the same or more damage way more consistently by just running a normal striker/ceska/coyote's with a couple blue cores.

• tech spec and that's a tier 3 shield which is more than enough for a DPS build.

If you need more than 2 blues as DPS in PvE then IMO your playstyle is holding you back.

[violet wyvern]

🤔

[astral kraken]

Also you're running the striker chest which is really hard to keep up stacks in any content of the game except a few. Like countdown... incursion... and a few others.

Which is why outside of that content most people run striker with obliterate chest because you're doing more short term burst damage.

Really there's no reason not to run an Elmo/Oreo/Famas with striker these days.

Elmo is just insane...

[astral kraken]

This was my old brazos build

AR 60% CHC 156% CHD
M1A 60% CHC 173% CHD

Yellow is better than blue because it buffs your artificer

Shield HP was 2.4 million and it regenerated to full (from artificer) every 9 seconds

There are much better builds than this and I only really used in solo

[tawdry flare]

Ranger 🤮 flatline maybe if you are running tech

[astral kraken]

i had issues with flatline proccing from distance

er, linked laser pointer. actually ive had issues with LLP proccing in general, which is why i just stopped using it

[tawdry flare]

You can go like rifleman and boomerang

[green pumice]

My mod luck been crazy lately.

[bronze hound]

why the purples

[green pumice]

what u mean

[vestal ibex]

Probably killed some rogues.

[bronze hound]

didnt they fix that

[green pumice]

Just some random open world stuff

[bronze hound]

on normal?

[green pumice]

Heroic

[vestal ibex]

Naw they still drop purples.

[tawdry flare]

Lol purple from containers

[fallen comet]

open world rogues are still bugged

[tawdry flare]

As long as they drop pfe 13 idc

[green pumice]

i was just running around doing random open world stuff 😄 did not expect this to drop.

idk my luck on mods been crazy lately got 2 crit dmg god rolls 1 crit chance and now this 😄

[hexed steppe]

i have not seen bugged rogues in a bit... granted ive only really been doing cp in openworld, but theyve been correct difficulty scaling and only dropping highend/gearset/named items

[vestal ibex]

I killed some last week and idk I was stacked up on HH HF so I one shot them all in the face which could happen but idk it was almost too perfect and they did drop half purple half HE and 1 named.

M870 is a beast

[green pumice]

oreo and hunters fury just feels right, makes solo content so easy

[hollow pasture]

Don't say that
People here will just tell you to run strikers 24/7 instead

[tawdry flare]

@bronze hound see meta build

[bronze hound]

what the fuck

[tawdry flare]

CD player

You forgot to kick

[bronze hound]

i noticed

[hexed steppe]

i was doing reanimated and pounding out cps , they show up and ide hit them with 50mil and only take half their armor off. it was all high end stuff too.

did you note what activities you were doing that spawned rogues? purple drops are a good indicator off squishy bugged rogues...

[hexed steppe]

probably still effective with oreo,

[green pumice]

truu xd

[vestal ibex]

We just came out of a safe house to do the constitution hall bounty. Maybe if they spawn while your are leaving a safe house they bug?

[tawdry flare]

The problem is the mask

[urban latch]

Hunters fury is still one of the best sets in the game

[tawdry flare]

Everything else is fine

[hollow pasture]

Oh I agree I run it all the time in open world

Doesn't mean I don't like strikers
It's just I don't like running it in the open world tbh

[hexed steppe]

its gotta be conditional. missions and summit never seemed to be bugged

nego or nothing 😍

[magic pilot]

HF shotgun headshot builds are so fun

[hollow pasture]

(for the longest I used to run LD with hunters fury 🫢)

[onyx sage]

kaboom them heads

[magic pilot]

I want to get a badger vigi hsd/handling bp

To red core

[tawdry flare]

i have one with chc/hsd and vigilance

[flint wave]

like one blue core is gonna change anything

[magic pilot]

It changes they way it looks in my menu

[tawdry flare]

my main core is red

[pastel charm]

Hey guys whats meta skill build?

[tawdry flare]

3pcs empress 1 pcs wyvern 2pcs Hana u or 1 pcs Hana u and 1 pcs waveform skill drone and turrent and talent glass cannon on chest

For bag tech support or combined arms

[pastel charm]

Ty ❤️

[slender shadow]

I just started to grind for a build. Currently progressing Kingrbrealer with HB. I see the synergy with Technician, but is it much better then using gunner?

[flint wave]

Gunner doesn't have the pulse pointer

[slender shadow]

Yeah i know. Is it that much better to have it?

[flint wave]

you don't have to hit a headshot

it's pulsed before you shoot it and as long as you keep looking at it. It will stay pulsed

[slender shadow]

I like the armor in kill from Gunner. How is the survivability without it?

[vestal ibex]

Tech laser is extremely good for the HB build, makes tech bis for it imo.

[violet wyvern]

Is 14 million damage not enough 😕

[vestal ibex]

For some things but others no. Need context tho.

[violet wyvern]

To be a good dps from strikers

[vestal ibex]

Oh that dps in the range is buggy and not to be trusted.

[violet wyvern]

You just gotta reset it when reaching full stacks

[vestal ibex]

Naw. It bugged.

I mean use it if you want but no one is going to trust that number.

Use it as a personal measure stick is about the best you'll get.

[flint wave]

how u getting 14 million in the range

with a dps

[blissful rampart]

that shooting range dps meter can be off by ~30% iirc makes it completely worthless meter.

much better meter in the pinns here

[flint wave]

where is all the crit

actually I can't talk my chameleon build didn't have a crit brand either

[violet wyvern]

58% CHC
110%CHD

It's a slow stacking build but you don't need full stacks to melt fast with the chameleon stacks

Don't let the 4 armor cores fool you this build max crits for 1.3 million damage

[vestal ibex]

Yikes....

If you are here for build advice cool, if you are here to justify your build eehhhhh, I'd curb what you think people are gonna say about that build.

[violet wyvern]

I find myself killing all the enemies before I reach full stacks 😂

[flint wave]

This build is more ideal with a different ar. Chameleon is more like an smg

[violet wyvern]

I wanna know how to improve it

[violet wyvern]

Yeah I used it with the st elmo

[flint wave]

if you wanna stick with chameleon I would run memento with a ceska piece somewhere, plays more to its strengths. Bunch of blues and shield strength to feed chameleon

[vestal ibex]

Coyotes, ceska, no blue cores, Elmo, ouro, Famas, police m4, carbine 7, whichever you like, gunner or firewall.

[violet wyvern]

Yeah I'll give that a try

[violet wyvern]

I want the chameleon

[flint wave]

if you can't reach 200 striker stacks frequently use a ceska chest with obliterate

blue cores are very useful for memento

[hearty forge]

Bluescreen looks like another case of "sounds good honestly trash" exotic. Right or wrong?

[violet wyvern]

Yes

[flint wave]

eh, it having 0 crit mods sucks

[violet wyvern]

This is for solo heroic

[vestal ibex]

Yeah this changes things.

[violet wyvern]

110CHD

I little but the chameleon talents make up for it

[vestal ibex]

If you are just doing solo heroic just run whatever makes the happy chemicals.

[blissful rampart]

Bluescreen is actually decent for a LMG, has high base dps. talents okay as well. but overall, its still sadly an LMG, but very fun

[vestal ibex]

If you wanna DPS the incursion or do legendary I would suggest making big changes tho.

[vestal ibex]

OVER AN HOUR

Dude had 102 kills....

[flint wave]

holy shit negative damage in the incursion

how long did wright take

[vestal ibex]

negative back to positive for the one guy

Oh man do I put up an after action for one of our runs?

[blissful rampart]

average incursion pug run right now is what, 15-20mins?

[flint wave]

30 for me

[vestal ibex]

ish yeah.

[flint wave]

usually don't one shot(not kill in one bullet kind) wright

so that's a time sink

[violet wyvern]

It not long

[vestal ibex]

I'm sitting at 8:30 looking to get 7 min tonight tho.

[blissful rampart]

AVERAGE PUG run soul, not speed run lol

[vestal ibex]

Last night Raucy and I ran in game matchmaking and picked up a guy who got a total of...... 5 kills.

[violet wyvern]

My team mates never beat the ending so it took awhile for them to stop dying

Yes

[vestal ibex]

Was still a 17 minute run tho.

[violet wyvern]

The amount of damage I can take before going down is why I did so much damage

[solemn parrot]

I have more trouble with Lovebirds than I do Wright but my clan also doesn't really do any speed strat stuff

[vestal ibex]

Ads don't shoot you if they are dead.

I can hit after action report negative damage like yours in a 15 mintue run.