td2-build-advice

[broken lion]

are smgs bad?

[tulip charm]

No

The game doesnt like it tho

[broken lion]

wdym?

[cerulean smelt]

nods

[broken lion]

just unideal?

[fickle light]

Chameleon is a good weapon but its held back by its SMG-like handling and long stacking time to get up to par

Its just easier to use other weapons that dont need as much stacking

[broken lion]

ah, okay

[fickle light]

Add the Chameleon's need to have specific location hits to stack and its even worse.

[tulip charm]

Also oreo is currently op and its an smg

[cerulean smelt]

especially the head loction for chc and chd was it?

[tulip charm]

The legs as well

The body and hs conditions arent that bad to get

[cerulean smelt]

well, not talking what each does all at once..
just saying headshots to fill up the stacks to get a chc/chd boost out of it

[fickle light]

Legs for 150% reload speed, chest for 90% weapon damage, and head for 20 CHC and 50 CHD

30 headshots, 75 body shots, and 30 leg shots for each buff

[tulip charm]

Imo the leg shot is the worst of them all

To proc

[broken lion]

yea the heartbreaker set w/ catharsis, bluescreen, and 12x carbine 7 is not doing any damage Q_Q bright side is i can tank a whole lot

[cerulean smelt]

so much missing information there

[broken lion]

#td2-build-advice message #td2-build-advice message

[cerulean smelt]

so i'm assuming 6 blue cores, probably random attributes in general? no pulsing (technician laser or pulse skill) yeah you won't be doing damage at all

[broken lion]

na i run pulse skill

[tulip charm]

Why

[flint wave]

Shoot their pelvis, it counts as leg

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, no damage becaues you don't have a consistent pulse 🤦‍♂️

[flint wave]

much bigger target

[tropic topaz]

doesn't heartstopper pulse on headshot?

[cerulean smelt]

it does but how often can you realistically pulse in that build?

[broken lion]

i pulse like once every 16 sec i think

[cerulean smelt]

yeah and your damage plummets without pulsing more often

[tulip charm]

Ok c7 and no flatline is a yikes

[cerulean smelt]

right?

[tropic topaz]

every headshot?:)

[broken lion]

what is flatline

[green pumice]

div1 build is 6 piece gear set boom done xd

[broken lion]

(day 3 of playing)

[cerulean smelt]

oh nothing, just a talent that increases the damage you do to pulsed targets

[cerulean smelt]

wrong XD

[green pumice]

im playing my old char atm yeah its pretty much xd

[cerulean smelt]

6 pc gear set in div 1 = 4 working 2 just there for looks
6 pc classifide gear set now we're talking

[green pumice]

yes im talking about classified 6 pc ofc

[cerulean smelt]

Div 1 had gear sets and classified gear sets. just saying 6 pc gear sets isn't what i'd think as 6pc classified

[tulip charm]

@broken lion do youself a favor and check this out https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=80ca098d-ac39-5c92-cbc0-4f29bb36c8e2&noteKey=1b81bfe12d13e8d034d749a7abdef2d7&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2F80ca098d-ac39-5c92-cbc0-4f29bb36c8e2%2F1b81bfe12d13e8d034d749a7abdef2d7&title=Heartbreaker%2B%2528TU19%2529

[green pumice]

yes and gear sets are shit everyone run 6 pc classified thats it. so yeah div2 builds are much harder.

[broken lion]

ahh unlocking the technician tree is so sad

[flint wave]

how

[cerulean smelt]

personally though, i'd go Strikers over Heartbreaker and leave out the pulsing bit and get the sameish results

[broken lion]

idk theres so much content for me to explore being brand new, just lazy but ill get to it!

so heartbreaker backpack is not a necessity then?

[tulip charm]

No

[flint wave]

heartbreaker backpack pretty mid tbh

it still has the Heartbreakers flaw of needing to lose stacks in order to regenerate damaged bonus armor, memento has no such thing

[magic pilot]

Works fine on console

[cerulean smelt]

if you're actively gathering up the trophies sure, but doing so you lose armor trying to pick those up. so is there any point to memento if you're doing it for the armor aspect of the talent?

[flint wave]

mementos long term buff

[broken lion]

i give up

[cerulean smelt]

still, have to run out grab trophies, lose more armor just to pick it up

[broken lion]

gear is too much to stress about rn lol

[flint wave]

just how much running are you doing

[cerulean smelt]

well, trophies doesn't come to you automatically?

i find myself when i use memento i pick up the trophies after everything or most things are dead so it's not great in my opinion

[flint wave]

Why would you do that?

just pick up those 30-40% bonus armor giving trophies

[solar venture]

Making a niche build, just curious, anyone know what increases Vile tick damage?

[cerulean smelt]

so you run around getting shot at to pickup them trophies for these "30-40%" bonus armor" which is just pretty much what you lost or even more than you lost picking up trophies?

[cerulean smelt]

explosive damage as it states

[wooden finch]

so because you cant maximize its potential the item is bad?

[solar venture]

so a piece of China or 2p Grupo would work, or only Demo?

[cerulean smelt]

the reason i put at the end "my opinion"

[cerulean smelt]

all 3, 1 china, 2 grupo and demo woudl make it tick at 40% damage if you like

[wooden finch]

yeah, in your opinion its bad. which isnt right. it might not fit for you, but youre still saying its bad when you word it like that

[flint wave]

how are you losing so much armor each time before you can collect each trophy

it's after picking up the trophy where that should happen. the bonus armor tanking most of the hit

[astral kraken]

Just pick up the trophies after the stage is finished? After 30 trophies you'll basically have +2 red cores. So you can run memento with 2 blues and not lose damage after you get the 30 trophies. It's like have 2 free blue cores.

The bigger problem is you're losing a backpack talent. Usually that talent is a damage talent though... so if you're doing content you're doing enough damage without a backpack talent... memento is great. For example on solo legendary it's great because the enemies are squishy.

[cerulean smelt]

must be a genius that you take no damage for your first trophy pick up and keep it where you lose bonus armor alone? in each situation you run around?

[flint wave]

yeah, cover and cover to cover moves are pretty crazy

Or if there's a good 3 trophies next to each other you can face tank anything

[broken lion]

is it realistic to try and complete the legendary mission for an exotic for a new player?

[cerulean smelt]

so kill 1 enemy, cover to cover for 1 trophy, then find your next enemy and repeat the process?

[flint wave]

Not solo

that's very hard to do

[broken lion]

think a friend and i can duo it if we both new?

we're pretty competent, i think. maybe just gear gap and smaller technical knowledge etc

[cerulean smelt]

i'd say sure depending on the builds used

[flint wave]

It doesn't have to be that way but you can definitely do that if it's practical

the trophies should give you the armor to survive given you are running a few blues

[cerulean smelt]

sounds like a pain to get those "extra cores" when you can just run high end and kill at a bit faster rate and get through everything a bit faster?

[flint wave]

those types of builds have less room for error

like a single thrower can end their whole career

happened on legendary summit a bit too much

[cerulean smelt]

so cover to cover to pick up a trophy behind the chunga, die to the bleed and chunga possibly focusing on you as you run past?

[flint wave]

nice super react

[astral kraken]

The bonus armor is not enough to help you

[flint wave]

lol don't do that for a single trophy

because unsurprisingly a minigun hurts

[cerulean smelt]

why not? it's great isn't it? taht 30-40% bonus armor?

[flint wave]

[cerulean smelt]

i haven't played legendary in forever, is it possible to run it with regulus build and memento?

[flint wave]

They usually run memento

they already one shot a lot of things

[astral kraken]

memento pairs good with a shield bc yellow+blue both increase shield tier

[cerulean smelt]

yeah i remember even if you were running 4 foundry and 2 pices that could beef up your shield health that shield breaks rather quickly

[broken lion]

what attachments should irun with this 8x scope carbine 7?

[cerulean smelt]

i know

[astral kraken]

have fun with dogs 😛

[cerulean smelt]

depends on the waht you're after

[cerulean smelt]

yeah i hate dogs and tanks with this build

[astral kraken]

i tried something similar and ran into that problem

[cerulean smelt]

unless i headshot things near the dogs and tanks then it wasn't too much of an issue

[astral kraken]

DUA is not so bad but tidal is a nightmare

that whole mission can go F itself

[cerulean smelt]

DUA you can semi cheese outsdie of the mission unless they fixed it

[cerulean smelt]

i had to watch a video for the last area and was like OOOH right f that!

[astral kraken]

yea it's crazy. its hard to do with matchmaking b/c people refuse to run the right builds for it.

[thin valley]

Hybrid skill dps suggestions?

[astral kraken]

i cleared it yesterday everyone decided to go tank. took forever

[astral kraken]

iKia's list has a few TurDro builds that you can use as a point: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-nOwUSECa-1iLhET-mW04u6oMBdIdMjFjB2Ie25ziEA/edit

[cerulean smelt]

i personally was thinking ninja bag, 3 pc striker, picaro's holster and whatever for the last piece. 3 skill tiers, whatever for armor and weapon and using something like mechanical animal for the main weapon then like harmony after i overcharge my skills XD

[broken lion]

does focus lose its stacks after scoping out?

[cerulean smelt]

yes

[hexed steppe]

Tech or no tech?

[broken lion]

oh... why would people run that for the carbine 7 then?

[cerulean smelt]

probably tech so i can put more emphasis on armor/weapon damage as possible

[hexed steppe]

If ninja you might roll picaros yellow for 4 skilltiers

[cerulean smelt]

well, something not getting fixed. You run focus chest, use striker or ballistic shield (think those are the 2 variants that lets you use any weapon with shield) and if you scope in you basically stretch to the right a bit more than normal allowing you to peek around corners without being out enough you don't get shot at

[cerulean smelt]

why 4 skill tiers?

[broken lion]

yea but u need to unscope to reload so it always resets?

[hexed steppe]

Pretty much free since picaros has a redcore

[cerulean smelt]

dont' we need just 3 skill tiers to overcharge in general though?

[tropic topaz]

future perfect gives up to 3 tiers and overcharge when you go past 6 iirc, no?

[hexed steppe]

You would need 4. Otherwise you'll stack up to 6 with future perfect.

[cerulean smelt]

yea pretty much XD

[cerulean smelt]

do you though?

[hexed steppe]

I never use it, but it stacks 3 times, not 4. Overcharge needs a stack at st6

[cerulean smelt]

how i read it is once we hit 6 skill tiers any kill beyond those 3 goes into over charge
"Weapon kills grant 1 skill tier for 15 seconds. Stacks up to 3 times.
Weapon Kill at tier 6 grant overcharge for 15 seconds. Overcharge cooldown is 90 seconds."

[hexed steppe]

Test it in the range.

[cerulean smelt]

ok and it overcharged for me?

[hexed steppe]

I may be wrong

If it works like that then that's sweet

[glossy scarab]

you can get overcharge from having 3 skill tiers and using future perf

[cerulean smelt]

or did it?

[glossy scarab]

it did as of like a couple weeks ago when i last used it

[cerulean smelt]

so i must be off somewheres in my test XD

[glossy scarab]

should be an easy test. all u gotta do is look for the face

[cerulean smelt]

3 skill tier sniper = 3,302,451
4 skill tier sniper = 3,644,083
5 skill tier sniper = 3,985,717

6 skill teir sniper = 4,327,349

thought the over charge was the 4,327,349 but it stayed the same it seems?

[onyx sage]

1s after scoping out so you got time

small price to pay if you know how to play with it, because its buff is humongous

[forest forum]

Holy crap, join countdown like 3 out 6 got kicked before rest joined. Like, glad i made the team i guess lol. Maybe their build was just bad or player was picky. But dang that was awesome countdown though, nobody died!

[cerulean smelt]

changed a picaro's i hadn't altered yet to get 4 skill tier to over charge and the 6 skill tier and overcharge damage is the same still :/

[cerulean smelt]

so after we get that face = overcharged correct?

so yeah, 3 skill tier + future perfect i can still get the face icon after getting 4 kills

[glossy scarab]

yeah the orange head/face is OC

[cerulean smelt]

kk thanks JD glad, wasn't exactly sure as i've only used it a few times

[glossy scarab]

no prob

[cerulean smelt]

question is, is mechanical animal with future perfection worth running over just any flavor weapon with future perfect for 4 second duration difference?

[glossy scarab]

mechanical animal dmg is not good

[cerulean smelt]

i know, tried it many times and always feel disappointed in the end XD

[glossy scarab]

yup

the extra time never made a difference to me bc im pretty sure the OC is still 15s

[cerulean smelt]

so basically every kill we have 15 seconds each time to up our skill tiers? or is it 15 seconds total to get OC?

[glossy scarab]

every kill gives you a fresh 15 seconds

[cerulean smelt]

for the skill tier climbing?

[glossy scarab]

yea

[cerulean smelt]

yeah did a ADS and saw the timer go back to the top XD

oh now that makes things interesting

think my original idea was 3 pc striker, ninja bag, picaro's and whatever for the last piece then Assault drone/turret for the skills but i could practically do away with striker and go all high end couldn't i?

and practially any specialization if i go the skill tier picaro's?

[glossy scarab]

i usually do all high end for a defender drone overcharge build. memento, picaros and an all red brazos mask, foxes, contractors, grupo. damage isnt great but its fun to run around out of cover with defender drone nixing most of the incoming damage

the memento helps a bunch with the skill efficiency and weapon dmg. plus 2 blues for a nice bonus armor chunk per trophy

oh and tech spec is where i get the third skill tier

[hexed steppe]

If your set on ninja and good with headshots a chainkiller hotshot or highend would put you at a good damage level if chaining good

[cerulean smelt]

what do you put for your minor attributes?

because that sounds like it'd be a fun build

[glossy scarab]

well chc/chd but if you're doing an mmr headshot thing then ignore what i said

[cerulean smelt]

oh no i suck at headshot in general

[glossy scarab]

oh alright lol

[cerulean smelt]

but chc/chd is what i assumed

[glossy scarab]

i usually have the future perfect on an smg so it gives me the chc i would otherwise be struggling get up

[cerulean smelt]

who would we contact about the builds in the pins here? 2 of them comes up as 404 errors for me

[cerulean smelt]

only reason i was thinking ninja bag is so i can still do decent damage, survive most things and have at least skill tier 6 or overcharge to help kill things a bit faster solo

[glossy scarab]

yeah you'd def get higher damage with a gear set

[cerulean smelt]

while still having fun ;p

i have this part of my brain telling me i need skill damage in your build

yeah, with striker set i struggle with the chc/chd aspect of this build i want :/

[glossy scarab]

hm yeah thats why high end is easier to build it with. the two attribute slots open things up for stuff like skill dmg

[onyx sage]

@blissful rampart

[cerulean smelt]

thanks i checked the staff section of the pinned spreadsheet wasn't sure if azurmen would've been the one

[onyx sage]

it's okay, i just wanted a reason to bother him

[cerulean smelt]

lol

[dusk mist]

Question about China Light, Can this gear drop with double reds or is it always going to be random and a yellow? Having a hard time getting the drops im after.

[broken lion]

is sacrum imperium any good?

[onyx sage]

substats tend to match their colors with that of the mainstat, so it's harder for it to drop with reds than with yellow because they drop with skill tier

[onyx sage]

no

[hexed steppe]

I was hitting around 20mil range with this. You would have a different mmr talent but it would hit as hard

[dusk mist]

Tend to, but is it still possible, just rare?

[onyx sage]

still possible but rare yes

[dusk mist]

Gottcha, cheers

[cerulean smelt]

yes it's possible

and the build i'm trying to make it work in....

[delicate laurel]

i tried using the chest but i could not make it work

[livid horizon]

Going for a grenade build?

[dusk mist]

Aye

[cerulean smelt]

like what i have going or you going a different route?

[dusk mist]

Mostly experimenting for now

[cerulean smelt]

i was inspired by a video "clear legendary rooms with 1 grenade!" watched it and think they didn't have china light and they went the vigilence route with both contractor's and fox's

[snow dust]

How do people get crazy high armor and damage?

[fickle light]

both is not really a thing (or is just not useful since armor isnt really that durable overall) but for damage its mostly stacking crit

[hazy steeple]

Heartbreaker is always an option if you want some of both. 2-3 blue cores with the rest being red means that you are tanky enough to take a few hits with your shield, and still murder-y enough to kill stuff on Heroic.

[broken lion]

we are getting clapped by the legendary mission

[flint jackal]

So my old smg setup was a bit outdated so I’m trying to put together a new one and I’m sitting with this rn. Any tips on what I should change? It feels alright but I think it can get better

[fickle light]

legendary is hard yea

if your build/skills arent up to the task, you will have a terrible time

[snow dust]

I'm using the strikers set and i thought it was supposed to be good but I'm seeing people with so many more armor chunks and damage

4 strikers and 2 negotiators dilemma for the crit chance

[fickle light]

take a picture of your inventory screen, lets see if there are some changes you can make

[cerulean smelt]

2 ND hurts you in the long run

[fickle light]

ok step 1 drop the negotiators, never use more than 4pc of a gearset and only use 1 gearset

[fickle light]

looks fine but you can probably swap the sokolov chest for a grupo chest

[fickle light]

and the vector for Orouboros once you get it

[snow dust]

Sorry for quality

[cerulean smelt]

ah, look fresh out of NY build XD

[snow dust]

Hahaha

[snow dust]

How so?

[fickle light]

-chameleon is bad, swap that as soon as possible for St Elmo's Engine
-take the ND out and swap it for a Coyote's Mask (exotic) and a Ceska peice

[snow dust]

Don't think I have any of that

[cerulean smelt]

both ND are holster and backpack in the pic

[snow dust]

Isn't the coyote mask rough to get

[fickle light]

Gearset peices have 1 minor attribute. You'll gain more with highend peices while also getting the brandset bonuses or exotic talents

not really? its not too bad, especially with countdown throwing you an exotic every other run

[snow dust]

Are the cyan gear sets good? Or would I be better off with something else

[fickle light]

Cyan = gearset

use only 4pc if you are going to run a gearset

[cerulean smelt]

like if you replaced the 2 ND with 1 Grupo and 1 Ceska you'll have an easier time hitting that 50-60% chc and be able to stack up the CHD

[fickle light]

you want to get the 4pc bonus (the chest and bag do count if you decide to use them) but no more

gearsets have 1 minor attribute and a "brandset" bonus. High end gear items have 2 minor attributes and a brandset bonus

[snow dust]

Wdym the chest and bag count?

Why wouldn't they

[cerulean smelt]

striker chest and striker backpack

each gear set has an extra talent on teh chests and backpacks

[fickle light]

Some think that because they have a talent that activates with the 4pc, that they dont count- they do, i say they do count because some get confused about it.

[snow dust]

Ah ok

[cerulean smelt]

in this case striker increases your stack from 100 to 200 and the backpack would cahnge .65% weapon damage to 1% weapon damage

[fickle light]

In this channel's pins, there is a spreadsheet- check out some of the builds there, they'll give you a good idea about builds.

[snow dust]

So should I use chest and bag as strikers? And then swap 2 if the others for high end gear?

[cerulean smelt]

but considering you're not 1k watch level and not sure what you're spending your watch points on. coyote's mask and either ceska piece or grupo piece to further increase your chc/chd

[fickle light]

The strikers build in the spreadsheet does go into a few variations on the build. Long story short, 4pc Strikers with the striker bag as one of the peices, coyote's mask, and then a Ceska chest with Obliterate will do you great. Alternatively, you can use the slightly easier version by using the striker chest and a ceska small peice.

[snow dust]

Ok & my watch points have been crit chance, armor & stability

Skill duration

[snow dust]

Ok yeah I'll try farming for those

[cerulean smelt]

putting it in chc is smart, think i went weapon damage T_T

but yeah, chc/chd first then probably weapon damage?

[hazy steeple]

You'll eventually cap it all out at SHD 999 anyway, so it really doesn't matter.
I went for HSD and ammo counter first and never had issues.

(that being said, go for CHC first, it's by far the best buff)

[snow dust]

@fickle light can you not get the st Elmo's engine anymore?

[fickle light]

You can still get it

After every season, the exotics from that season's pass are added to target loot (most of the time. Sometimes they get left out on accident and are added a few patches later.)

[snow dust]

Ok I'm not too familiar with the season stuff

[fickle light]

Thats why i explained it.

[snow dust]

So just farm summit for assault rifles? Or is there a better way

[fickle light]

Summit or Countdown

[hazy steeple]

How to explain the Season Pass in 1 easy step.

• Season Pass content is free if you own WONY.

[snow dust]

I do. How does that work

[fickle light]

the season pass?

top stuff is always the new stuff (gearset, brandsets, weapons if any, exotics) and is always free

[snow dust]

Is it like a battle pass where you have to pay for premium if you don't own wony?

[fickle light]

you just dont see it if you dont have Wony

[snow dust]

Ohh I gotcha

[fickle light]

bottom stuff is new cosmetics and caches. Bottom track is paid

[snow dust]

Ok thanks

[heavy canyon]

wich chest ? glascanon or the hardwire perk

and weapon same idk wich is better

[tulip charm]

First

[heavy canyon]

capacitor is that good ?

[astral kraken]

glass cannon is pointless there because it gives 25% and so does the hardwired chest

so same damage amp but you take more dmg for no reason

[flint wave]

glass cannon is Amp damage hard wired increases skill damage according to description

glass cannon should equal more

[astral kraken]

oh good point, i thought both were amp

yea gc should be better

[heavy canyon]

ok thx, and yeah how exactly capacitor is better ? (i cant see the stacks anywhere)

[tulip charm]

60% skill damage at full stacks

also gives 7.5% weapon damage per skill tier

[heavy canyon]

test subject have like +40% dmg easy to proc

with glasscanon it is not better to stay safe with subject ?

[tulip charm]

the shotgun give its dta

12% dta + 10% dttoc

[heavy canyon]

ok thx

[forest forum]

@snow dust I second this, i tried out chameleon then immediately swapped back to my st elmos (way better). I got a coyote mask from countdown btw just use target loot for mask.

[fickle light]

just go follow the strikers guide lol

[forest forum]

Striker is awesome

Esp when you understand how it works

Wasn't crazy about trying out the scorpio though i like the st elmos best

[bronze hound]

holy shit the FI tank build also repairs shields too

fucking insane

[tulip charm]

yeah

[bronze hound]

especially since its instant

[snow dust]

I feel like it's gonna take forever to get a st Elmo's lol

[bronze hound]

rng

[snow dust]

Yea

[tulip charm]

Just buy more luck

[forest forum]

You can also buy exotic cache with countdown money too and try see you get it. Exotic drops in countdown sometimes not rarely, but it helps to play it back to back in my opinion from what i seen. I guess depends on the group performance etc. Not entirely sure how that part works. Challenge is the best and most active one to use for countdown. Just keep up and watch your back, use countdown till you get what you need. Do you understand how to use the target loot?

You get a lotta options

Btw that's not the gun to click on for st elmos you want AR, that's just a saved picture.

And you got more options than that, it scolls down lol. Countdown really good for lvl up expertise lvl too.

[snow dust]

Yeah I know about targeted loot. I didn't know about countdown money. How do I see how much I have & where do I spend it lol

[bronze hound]

finished minmaxxing my tank

60-90% weapon damage

[hexed steppe]

if you have a yellow attribute skilltier sacrifice chest, that will offer best damage

[hexed steppe]

and cap is best, 12dta for explosives and 60% skill damage

[heavy canyon]

which one ?

[hexed steppe]

Sacrifice, named providence chest with perfect glass, 30% amp damage.
It's a unicorn since you need skill damage and haste so you can roll a yellow main core🦄

[heavy canyon]

oh nice

[bronze hound]

@hexed steppe whats your input on it

[hexed steppe]

Looks like a tank 💯
As long as you're getting decent damage it should work good.

[bronze hound]

60-90% is pretty good to me

one piece had armour regen attribute and another had skill repair so i just altered it to make it all blue

now the real question is what raucey thinks of it

[vestal ibex]

Get him to run an incursion with those builds...

[bronze hound]

no

[vestal ibex]

WOW!

[astral kraken]

perfect for last stage tidal @bronze hound!

[bronze hound]

tidal in general

[hearty forge]

I want to get out of my habit of only playing skill focused builds. What's a good gear set+exotic to work toward?

[urban latch]

Striker, nego, hunters fury, or just high end

All are really solid builds

[bronze hound]

raucey

whats your opinion on my tank build

[cerulean smelt]

give it to champion stright raucey ;p

[urban latch]

It's a tank build. As long as you have 6 blue cores, vanguard, and a bulwark shield your good

[magic pilot]

Garbage

[cerulean smelt]

what if one went the skill tier route for a tank build? ;p

[bronze hound]

go on

[cerulean smelt]

we're all listening

[astral kraken]

pretty sure they'd say that for anything with blue cores 😛

[cerulean smelt]

yeah probably

until they lose all their armor have an NPC in front of them and someone pops vanguard and saves their ass ;p

[obsidian plover]

Any advice on this build? Its not perf yet

Intimidate was changed to obliterate

[cerulean smelt]

probably depends on what you're trying for

[kindred marten]

I would at the very least, change one of those brands to Grupo/Sokolov

[obsidian plover]

Well ive been racking my brain on how to create a dps run and gun build

(Harder in higher tier yes) but i want to be able to steal armor hense the bloodsucker

And lady death kinda synergizes with hunter, but idk how much more i can do for the gun dmg wise, maybe im not using the build right

[cerulean smelt]

you're not getting armor but bonus armor

[obsidian plover]

Yes

[kindred marten]

He is getting armor with HF though

And Gunner

[cerulean smelt]

yes and gunner

but blood sucker doesn't steal armor as they stated it, which is what i was correcting them on

[obsidian plover]

I know, i meant it like im adding bonus armor, but i see it as stealing

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[kindred marten]

Yeah, true. That was my first thought, but didn’t think it mattered whether you’re stealing it or not. Still getting bonus armor.

[obsidian plover]

So use a sokolov chest?

[cerulean smelt]

or depending on how much you put in your watch points wise. might be best to do Ceska and Grupo combo

[kindred marten]

At the very least, to boost your SMG damage. I can see why you would want Gila for more total armor and you have 2 armor cores. But yeah. Or Grupo. I’m assuming you have enough crit chance. Ceska is better stat wise though.

[obsidian plover]

I have a shit ton of crit chance

What does ceska do again?

[cerulean smelt]

1pc 10% chc

[obsidian plover]

ah ok

id rather get sokolov for the smg dmg then

[cerulean smelt]

usually one wants to hit 50-60% chc then throw as much as possible into CHD after that

[obsidian plover]

Ah ok, i only have like, 6% chc

But the rest of it is in dmg

42%

[cerulean smelt]

if you want to go the HF SMG/Shotgun route. maybe look into Sokolov and Badger Tuff together, backpack talent Opportunistic

[kindred marten]

Yeah, Ceska could be better. Also depends on where your crit damage is too. I find it best to keep a 1:2 ratio of chance to damage. Also, you might wanna think about how often you’re using the Lady Death over your secondary. The Ceska/Grupo option would benefit both weapons, yet your shotgun wouldn’t benefit at all from Sokolov. But, if the shotgun’s just a placeholder and you never use it, then it won’t matter.

[obsidian plover]

I mean my shotgun is a placeholder till i get the rock and roll

Thats the main shotty i want for my secondary atm

Lady death has been the main focus of the build though

[tawdry flare]

Go for Scorpio shotgun an exotic better than rnr for Dps

[obsidian plover]

I would but lady d is the main focus for my build atm

So i cant really change it or the build falls apart

[tawdry flare]

Than change the bloodsucker and intimidate chest to ceska and groupo

[cerulean smelt]

is it the movement speed boost?

[obsidian plover]

And the damage stacks

[hazy steeple]

I'd honestly consider changing Lady Death, it's genereally not a very good gun.

[obsidian plover]

What would you suggest to change it to?

[hazy steeple]

a high-end (yellow) smg with a decent talent beats it.

mp5/mpx is always a good choice, just anything that can take "long underbarrel" mods like the Technician Laser Pointer.

[cerulean smelt]

now a days the only good lady death use is for speed running missions and probably leagues?

[obsidian plover]

I mean, i have a banshee with C&P

[hazy steeple]

Banshee works too.

although C&P is.... try something like Strained.

[obsidian plover]

Alright

[tawdry flare]

Yeah and Lincoln memorial melee clear

[cerulean smelt]

? isn't the melee on it terrible?

[hazy steeple]

They're making a joke, melee in div2 is basically pointless.

[obsidian plover]

Should i keep the bloodsucker and Obliterate talents?

I changed the intimidate

[hazy steeple]

Obliterate is better overall for SMG's.

[tawdry flare]

For bag can go unstoppable force or memento a ceska or groupo would be a good option

[cerulean smelt]

there's memento on chest now? 👀

[obsidian plover]

ok

[obsidian plover]

Alright, is uf better then blood sucker?

[cerulean smelt]

each kill with UF you get weapon damage increase

[obsidian plover]

Oh yeah then 100% better

[hazy steeple]

Since it's a HF build, can even go for something like Wicked on the backpack.
Applying a status effect increases total weapon damage by 18% for 20s.

although for solo I still prefer Memento. That way you can make the rest of the build have Red cores and still have a tier 2 Shield.

[obsidian plover]

Ill grind for momento then

[cerulean smelt]

or go for 3 tier going the technician route

[obsidian plover]

Cause id rather have some survivability

So momento and the scorpio

[hazy steeple]

Firewall Spec Tree for sure with that one. That shield is :chefskiss:

[cerulean smelt]

i know, but just saying techinican for a 3 tier shield wouldn't be too bad either

[obsidian plover]

What chest should i go for btw? soko?

[hazy steeple]

The other weapon doesn't matter as much, mostly your primary.
I like to throw on some Exotic I dislike using, for the passive Expertise.

Soko is great if you have the CHC (crit chance) very close to 60%, if not then go Ceska.

remember: the mods on your gun are CHC, the mods on your gear should be CHD.

(and the biggest mag size possible of course)

[obsidian plover]

Alright, ill keep that in mind

Ty for all of yalls help, ill mostlikely be back if i need any more

[cerulean smelt]

most of us will be here to help ya

[tawdry flare]

Total weapon DMG

[tawdry flare]

Than Scorpio will be better

[primal plank]

What would be the best build for ouroboros? 3 piece hunters with ninja bike? Or something else

[grand vector]

Strikers imo

Stacks up reaaaaally fast with that firerate and reload speed

[fickle light]

ninjabike is never the "best build" for anything btw

[primal plank]

Oh okay thank you, what would you recommend? I only know strikers for st Elmo

[fickle light]

you can generally slot oro into any build and it will do fine due to its absurd damage

[primal plank]

Okay thank you for that

[delicate laurel]

Oreo is the strongest gun atm afaik

[forest forum]

Found a gun i actually dig better than st elmos that's not an exotic.
AUG A3-CQC

[delicate laurel]

I never paid any mind to the aug

[forest forum]

Assault Rifle ofc

I hate the look but work great with striker

[flint wave]

not a fan of it tbh

[delicate laurel]

I use it in CD and the incursion only

[flint wave]

same

but I don't find myself using it anywhere else

[delicate laurel]

It's good in those modes

[flint wave]

st elmos has spoiled me

[delicate laurel]

Especially incursion and if you can keep those 200 stacks

[shy willow]

It knocks down solo heroic adds like dominos

[forest forum]

Yea the 200 stacks make a difference for sure

[delicate laurel]

I've been using my dumpling famas eevee converted me to using it more🤣

Though strikers chest is only really useful in CD and incursion as it's easy to maintain those 200 stacks

In open world your not maintaining those 200 stacks

[flint wave]

striker chest is kinda sad

[delicate laurel]

Most people use the bp

[forest forum]

Might be why i love CD so much. Need to reaally try incursion since st elmos was never bugged

[shy willow]

Its great for bosses

[delicate laurel]

Hopefully downtime on Tuesday releases a fix for the chest and Scorpio bug

[flint wave]

remove scorpios poison damage

[shy willow]

Can’t they just make him immune to venom or something

[forest forum]

Is he only weak point is the cool down

[long marlin]

where do the bloody knuckles drop?

[delicate laurel]

Anywhere with gloves as loot

Just do countdown target loot gloves

[grand vector]

I use oreo in everything tbh

Gun is mad funny

[delicate laurel]

Never thought oreos would be deadly

[tawdry flare]

Sleigher is stil the best SMG

[bright moon]

is jefferson plaza the best place to get coyotes mask>

getting sick of running it haha

[urban latch]

Just run countdown with targeted loot set to masks

[kindred coral]

busy bee vs finisher?

[hexed steppe]

Probably busy bee. Up to 200% damage increase

[fallen comet]

please tell me you havent been farming jefferson plaza instead of jefferson trade center...

[bright moon]

i meant the one with the Coyote boss

[fallen comet]

yeah thats JTC

i thought you spent so much time on the wrong jefferson lol

[bright moon]

hahaha fuck imagine

doesnt matter anyway cause it still hasnt dropped

[fallen comet]

i'd say just farm countdown

[kindred marten]

It’d mess with your head though, lol. “Did it not drop for me cause the RNG gods weren’t smiling down on me or because I was farming the wrong mission?” 😂

[astral kraken]

countdown is also great because you can used the credits to buy exotic caches. just do that. if you play with anyone have them do the same thing to double your chances.

[forest forum]

I'd be doing countdown just for the heck of it at this point. Pretty much just focus on building my expertise rn. The end of it is my fav part.

[hollow pasture]

Yes that's how I upgraded my expertise
Get all the loot as junk and donate whatever it'll take

[slate wedge]

same lol so slow tho. takes like 10 CD runs per level

[slow cairn]

Hey

[safe sage]

How can I get my first exotic? I just reached lvl 30, full "gold" equipment etc

I just want a decent gun

[fallen comet]

get to lvl 40 through the expansion

[safe sage]

If i dont have the DLC? what then?

[bronze hound]

i would get it if possible

its basically the second half of the game

[fallen comet]

you wont have access to things like countdown which is the best source of loot

id even say the game isnt worth playing without the DLC

[safe sage]

really?

[bronze hound]

its seriously just about half the game

[safe sage]

what even is the "countdown"

[bronze hound]

a good method for farming loot

[safe sage]

damn

[bronze hound]

basically a timed mission that drops a crap ton of loot as you near the end of it

[safe sage]

alright thanks, will buy it

[grand vector]

genuinely dont know what to change

(no im not trading unbreakable for memento)

[magic pilot]

(That doesn't make sense)

[fallen comet]

the only time i use striker is for countdown, even without unbreakable

[grand vector]

armor regen stat makes unbreakable not pop

[fallen comet]

honsetly for open world use hotshot

[magic pilot]

Trading unbreakable for memento doesn't make sense, different slots

[fallen comet]

and a 6red striker for CD

[grand vector]

yes but memento stacks give armor regen which breaks the whole chest talent

[magic pilot]

Run 4 pc striker with striker bp and catharsis if you want extra survivability

[grand vector]

i have a tier 5 shield do i really want to swap out for catharsis

[magic pilot]

Tier 5 shield is overkill when you have a huge dmg loss

[grand vector]

its not really a huge damage loss tho

[magic pilot]

You will do 35% more dmg with just striker bp

[grand vector]

catharsis only would make me lose 2 tiers of shield

[fallen comet]

you also dont want to spec too much into blue stuff

[magic pilot]

Tier 0 shield is already super strong. You could go full red with tech and have tier 1 shield and it's still super strong

[grand vector]

But I dont much, Picaros gives me back the 15% wd i usually lose and gives me an extra skill tier

[magic pilot]

Picaros is a direct dps loss compared to just running a grupo piece

The extra tier on shield isn't doing much

[grand vector]

In the end I cleared DUA legendary solo on this build so

Id say its perfectly worth

Reminder its a hardcore agent still

[magic pilot]

Then why ask for tips🤣

[fallen comet]

on hardcore?

[grand vector]

Yes

This is my hardcore agent im posting

[fallen comet]

ik but i was just saying did you clear it on HC or SC

[magic pilot]

Run whatever you want lmao, I don't understand why people ask for advice and then turn down everything

[grand vector]

well you dont really put into consideration its still a hardcore agent and a tier 5 shield is a load of value on this compared to a flimsy tier 1

[urban latch]

nice patch

[grand vector]

thank you

[magic pilot]

Shield peek, you have Elmo

Tier doesn't matter

[grand vector]

I do shield peek, doesnt stop legendary enemies from rushing me tho

thats why the shield is there as it is

[magic pilot]

It's cause of the lack of dmg🤣

[grand vector]

I mean go ahead play hardcore legendary on 6 reds

alone

[magic pilot]

You're the one that asked for advice not me

[grand vector]

Yeah and you kinda treat it as if its a softcore agent

[magic pilot]

If you are going to go the tankier route I would just run a tech tank HB

[grand vector]

My softcore agent runs pgc vigilance at all times

[fallen comet]

this is my striker build, imagine that hotshot holster is actually striker.
its a fresh toon and i still havent had time to farm all the pieces

[magic pilot]

Unbreakable is a waste imo but you don't wanna change it so

[fallen comet]

needs mods, the chest can be recaled into double crits

[magic pilot]

I get the difference between HC and SC but the problem is your idea of what you want to keep is sub optimal

[fallen comet]

the mp7 is a placeholder

[hollow pasture]

I'd advise that too

[grand vector]

whenever i duo i run this

[hollow pasture]

Run diamondback /s

[grand vector]

no thanks, id rather die

diamondback stays in wony launch

back with the negotiator build i once made with it

[hollow pasture]

It's the only build it's even good in tbh

[static oak]

Anyone have a true patriot build I could use

[flint wave]

@static oak closest thing I got

ditch the fenris probably though and go for a crit brand or go pointman

[magic pilot]

If you want more team buff run coyotes and TP bp

[static oak]

Is there a way to open exotics caches a d get targeted loot?

[hazy steeple]

Not at the exact same time, no.

Targeted Loot is zone specific, Caches really aren't.

[static oak]

And what piece give perfect galvanized

[hollow pasture]

Lavoisier

Eletricque

[static oak]

Ok thx

[astral kraken]

Add a pistol mod 😏

[azure kelp]

What’s the best meta dps build right now ?

[magic pilot]

Striker

[azure kelp]

Can you link it ?

[hexed steppe]

Check the pins. Striker build is in the spreadsheet

This channels pins*

[magic pilot]

@azure kelp

[azure kelp]

Thanks, is it good for running through content ?

[magic pilot]

I've been running firewall way more now for the shield but its preference

Yea you can basically run through the whole game with this build lol

For legendary I run perfect focus chest that's the only difference

[azure kelp]

Bet thanks man ima start grinding for it asap

[hearty forge]

Decided to stay true to who I am. A skill build. Decided to run 4 rigger with two hard wired

Currently tuning stats on the gear and trying to figure out what skills to run

[fickle light]

step 1- drop either the rigger (preferred) or the hard wired. You never ever want to use less than 4pc of a gearset.

[hearty forge]

Thought so but couldn't think of what to use the two other slots for. Maybe data gloves but I didn't want to get locked into hives

Also why drop rigger?

[hexed steppe]

not that good

[fickle light]

Rigger gets beaten out by highend gear.

[cerulean smelt]

it's a terrible set. reading it sounds great but it just lacks damage

[hexed steppe]

hardwire or high end best

[fickle light]

You are just starting (i assume) so its fine but its better to drop it sooner rather than later

[hearty forge]

I have been playing for a while, just dropped off for a while and trying to get my bearings back

Old build was what I like to call clown juggling where I spammed clusters and hives using hard wired and data gloves to reset them quickly

[cerulean smelt]

i got a 3pc empress, 2 hana u and a holster i can interchange between Waveform exotic or Wyvern depending on my mood. does great if you want the turret/drone combo

[fickle light]

that setup is probably best overall, just dont bring it into countdown

[cerulean smelt]

think it was a video that showed me it where you can basically AFK solo even legendary i think? but others definitely

[hexed steppe]

rigger the only real strength is on demand deployables. like turrets and whatnot can be deconstructed then ready without cooldown.. but it just lacks damage compared to high end

[hearty forge]

screw it, maybe I'm still in the d1 mindset when gearsets was end all be all

[hexed steppe]

what L05T posted is a solid skill build for a lot of different skills

[fickle light]

yeah, people coming from d1 do struggle with dropping gearsets

[cerulean smelt]

some will even go the 6pc same set thinking about D1 classifieds

[hearty forge]

Pretty sure I could craft it up. Any advice on stats I should look out for?

[cerulean smelt]

for skills, it's usually Skill Damage + Skill haste

one of the greatest Skill Gear Sets is Eclipse protocol though

[hexed steppe]

whats kinda funny is the classified still kinda exists, but in a different form. so you can use any 4 pieces of a gearset, but if using the bag or chest you get an extra feature... obv not called classified but those pieces kinda do extra duty

[hearty forge]

Thought about running eclipse with scorpio, didn't feel right

[cerulean smelt]

some are great and some you question if they were smoking something when they came up with it

[hearty forge]

I was running as a shotgunner/shield build so that might have been on me

[hexed steppe]

scorpio eclipse is decent. if going for a foam eclipse scorpio goes a long way with its CC

[cerulean smelt]

yeah scorpio on a skil build isn't all that strong

[hexed steppe]

capacitor on a fire eclipse will burn entire rooms in their spawns

[hearty forge]

I didn't even think about foam, really don't think about that skill much

[cerulean smelt]

but if you wanted to, could probably go red eclipse protocol with scorpio and have it work?

[hexed steppe]

foam eclipse is pretty tops if youre on a team and want to support. its all i use in countdown

[cerulean smelt]

but you may end up farming your life trying to get the correct Eclipse protocol pieces

[sullen sun]

Good build?

[hexed steppe]

eclipse is all godrolled and craftable 😆 wdym

[cerulean smelt]

personally, not really unlesss you're godly at doing headshots

personally i'd take out the ouroboros and put on something with flatline and technician with the laser so you're pulsing and you're getting that extra oomph with flatline

or equip the heartbreaker chest and don the nightwalker mask and use the pulse skill and always pulse

[hearty forge]

What I'm cooking so far. Trying to figure out a better weapon than bullet king and I don't have a bp for a good backpack

spec is up in the air, decided to try leveling the rest of them

[hexed steppe]

capacitor ar. test subject works tho

[hearty forge]

Capacitor is on the dream board but I don't have one yet

Running test subject now

[hexed steppe]

youll not want the id holster. its ok for now but isnt really helping the build... well other than proccing bag talent every 35 seconds

head to summit complete 5 of the easy challences and youll have capacitor. very easy to get

[hearty forge]

True, honestly forgot about it. I'm doing really poorly on exotic gear pieces

The holster I mean

[hexed steppe]

i would swap china bag and holster to hanna u. thatll give you haste and skill damage as the brand bonus

tech support or perfect combined arms on bag. glass cannon (dangerour) or kinetic momentum (safe) on chest

[hearty forge]

don't have a hana u backpack bp. Could get away with go bag

[hexed steppe]

its easy to farm it. you can do it same time you are unlocking capacitor in summit. just pick hanna u as target loot

[hearty forge]

good point

[hexed steppe]

what you have currently will work, but you might not always have bag talent procced and the bag brand wont help the turret/drone

[hearty forge]

Think I'm going to run go bag until I get hana u

[hexed steppe]

a lot of what im suggesting is closer to min max stuff. if you have 6 cores and proccing test subject youll do ok

yeah if you can get an overcharge in there then those skills will rip stuff apart

[hearty forge]

I think I'm cooking with gas. Current target is capacitor and a hana u bp

[hexed steppe]

force multiplier named hanna bag is highest damage talent for skills. it comes with perfect combined arms. regular hanna with tech support is solid as well and the damage buff lasts longer

have you checked out the pinned spreadsheet by chance?

turret drone build from the sheet

[flint wave]

if u aren't using force multiplier might as well use an empress piece

[hearty forge]

funny enough, the universe gifts the faithful. Got a force multiplier from the first floor. Running the summit on challenging with this build and I'm melting people

[flint wave]

you can probably kill stuff with the 6 yellow capacitor alone on challenging

[trail plaza]

do you need an ACS with strikers if you're running ouro?

[delicate laurel]

ACS is recommended for striker stack building

[fickle light]

i'd reckon its still a decent idea to bring a Lefty along for the Sledge, but you only really need an ACS with normal strikers if you are running the chest or reeally always wanna be at the stack cap. Otherwise any decent RPM gun will stack it fine

[delicate laurel]

When I do CD heroic I use acs with the oreo

Sometimes if there is a close range buff and dmg buff I'll use the ACS12 and bully everything

[trail plaza]

I would like to take a long range option with strikers, so if I could drop the ACS that would be the added utility

[onyx sage]

if you bring a long range option it probably won't be a SMG, which means you'd be scuffed with crit if you balanced it mainly with oreo in mind

[trail plaza]

I think oreo does enough damage that I could probably balance around the second gun instead

or go half-half

[proud badger]

still havent found a coyotes mask 🙂

should i be looking for a chest with perfect focus?

[onyx sage]

yes, but be aware it doesn't work with elmo

[fickle light]

extremely strong dmg talent but its playstyle is one not many like, so be aware

[boreal widget]

I just farmed the entire striker set how should I proceed?
I want to build one for the skills too (drone and turret)

[proud badger]

okay fair enough, so would my obliterate chest be best until i can find a high end perfect assault rifle?

[onyx sage]

yes

[bronze hound]

I don't like focus because it forces you to be literally glued to the scope

[fickle light]

i just replied in #ask-td2-community

[proud badger]

thanks for the heads up, i will keep that in mind and see what happens

[bronze hound]

If you could run around while scoped id change my mind

[onyx sage]

i like it so much that my identity in this server is based upon it

[proud badger]

i think im mostly glued to the scope, at least it feels like it, i stay ADS for the full mag

[onyx sage]

the duality of man

[bronze hound]

Even if you kill an enemy in half a mag?

Problem is when enemies aren't next to each other you can't keep focus buff at all

[proud badger]

guess not 😛

[onyx sage]

you don't lose it as soon as you swap out, you can hang for at most half a second if you want a quick view of surroundings, but you'll have to learn the rhythm if you want to be able to do this consistently

[proud badger]

sounds like its only good for things like coundtown and raids where you know where the enemies door spawns are

[bronze hound]

Half a second isn't enough to check your back

[onyx sage]

but yeah if they're far enough away from each other it doesn't make sense to keep it up

[bronze hound]

Not countdown because enemies are too spread out

[onyx sage]

you'll be surprised how well i can do it

[proud badger]

thanks for the helpful advice

[fickle light]

are you just aiming or actually scoped in? and an 8x scope is needed, so like... extremely strong but casual players are doing good enough with obliterate/striker chest

[bronze hound]

You'd need like 5000+DPI and high sens to be able to do that but then it's just a hellhole to aim

[bronze hound]

I used to use 8x just not with focus

[proud badger]

it doesnt very fun, ill stick with my current build and just look for their perfecct pieces

[onyx sage]

i am very confident in my snap aim, i just never play pvp kek

[fickle light]

by all means if you are alright with the playstyle then you'll be outdpsing a lot of people, but if you are just trying to do things, its a lot of work

[bronze hound]

Have you ever actually used focus

[onyx sage]

is that a genuine question

[bronze hound]

Yes

[onyx sage]

i speedrun on the daily with it, so probably yes?

[bronze hound]

I want to see a clip of you using it

[onyx sage]

not self-promo but my yt is linked

[proud badger]

im still going to look for the chest, just so i can see how it plays in practice

i wanna learn the game ^_^

[bronze hound]

Oh it's for missions

Yeah no wonder it wouldn't work open world :p

[onyx sage]

who uses focus in open world

[bronze hound]

Exactly lmao

[onyx sage]

i'm not that crazy

[bronze hound]

I know you're not hence why I needed clarification xD

[astral kraken]

you only use focus because you have to. no other reason lol

[onyx sage]

pretty much

[bronze hound]

For a regular person hell no on the focus

[onyx sage]

i move away from it if it doesn't prove to be the best option

[bronze hound]

Regular build for regular content

[astral kraken]

what it's like aiming with focus

[onyx sage]

somewhat epileptic because the 8x blacks out your view before you see stuff

[tawdry raven]

What's the best talent for a famas in a crit build?

[astral kraken]

that's how it's used often, to cheese through some leg stuff

just recorded that real quick. ez and safe

or like if your team is struggling you can safely chill and burn things down

[onyx sage]

strained or fast hands

[proud badger]

that seems usable for sure

[onyx sage]

it's definitely learnable quickly

[delicate laurel]

boo

[drowsy lion]

whats the best dps build now?

[cerulean smelt]

probably 4 pc striker atm

[drowsy lion]

any specific weapon

[vestal ibex]

Ouro

[cerulean smelt]

ouro and st elmos seems to be 99.9% people's choices

[drowsy lion]

which exotic armor?

[vestal ibex]

Ouro is like 60% more DPS vs Elmo.

[drowsy lion]

coyote?

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, most go the coyote route to up their chc/chd potential

i went the Grupo/Ceska route (> <)

[drowsy lion]

ouro is the new exotic from the incursion right

[vestal ibex]

Yeah.

[drowsy lion]

ah havent done that yet so ill have to get quite a lot from there i guess lol

[vestal ibex]

I also do ceska groupo and let someone else coyotes.

[dry jackal]

haha selfish

[hazy steeple]

With how many people still run Coyotes, it's a safe bet.

[cerulean smelt]

but personally i had fun with 3pc providence, 1 grupo, fox's prayer and contractor's gloves

[vestal ibex]

Gib me mo damage yo

I wanna see them 4 mil crits on love birds with the Oreo.

[hazy steeple]

Famas/c7/police m4 will do fine on your Striker build for now, strained/fast hands for the talent I'd say.
Orou is great for sure, but it's also going to take a long time to get, so it's a good future goal.

[cerulean smelt]

oh, mk 16 AR and scorpio for secondary. revive hive and armor repair drone

but it honestly gets boring after awhile

[thin patrol]

I'm going to do a focus shotgun 12x scope build

[flint wave]

and yet it's still not enough for me to reconsider elmos if im playing meta

[proud badger]

can you respec SHD points? or is the remove option inactive?

[onyx sage]

no, but you get all bonuses at 999 shd

[proud badger]

alrighty, what should i focus on for strikers?

crit chance and damage?

[onyx sage]

yea

[fickle light]

crit chance first

[azure kelp]

What’s a good substitute for the rocknroll for the striker build ?

[flint wave]

any acs

of any kind

[azure kelp]

Thanks man

[bronze hound]

Lefty

[bronze hound]

Lefty

[flint wave]

Lefty

not gunner mains best secondary

[bronze hound]

Wdym not gunner mains

[flint wave]

riot foam don't work with sledge

super sad stuff

[bronze hound]

Oh right

Sorry I'm used to running firewall lmao

[tropic topaz]

why not use normal grenade as gunner tho?

[flint wave]

why would I use that over keeping the people I hit still

sledge doesn't last that long

unfortunate ultimatum but I prefer the CC

And just run a different acs instead

[astral kraken]

I wanna get rid of one of my tanks to make room in loadouts but I can't decide which one to dump

I barely every use them and only in very specific cases like some leg stages

[flint wave]

keep the yellow one

you can easily switch that mask to a different one and run sawyers aswell

[astral kraken]

ya i was thinking at least w/ that one i can give tm8s some armor

yea you know i might do that. i dont feel like catharsis has helped me that much.

when i end up running it i usually dont get to that point

[flint wave]

I guess ur a Sawyers tank now

[astral kraken]

let's not get carried away

[flint wave]

lol explosion proof revives sound good

[astral kraken]

hmm so with chillout i keep the 80% pfe and explo jumps to 70%. maybe yaahl mask will be better

i dont even think it will matter

[flint wave]

the legamo set has the 20% explosive resist buff at a 1pc. I believe that's the optimal pick now

I would argue it over belstone

[astral kraken]

ha ive been blindly deconstructing every lengo i saw

that shows me

maxed i think it'll be like 90% expl, 71% pfe, and 67% hazpro

so i lost 9% pfe but gain 30% expl and gain 10% hazpro

not bad

maybe i'll just ditch sawyers and then i dont lose any pfe

thats better in every way. i just lose catharsis/sawyer's bonuses compared to the other builds.

oooh pfe caps at 80

i'm 1% over the cap with that one, cool

[proud badger]

these are my current striker stats

am i headed in the right direction?

[hazy steeple]

Heading there, but the CHD is a bit low overall.
the mods on your gear are CHD, right?

[hollow pasture]

I think anything above 55 is good enough
And then focus on chd

[proud badger]

it says to get chc above 50% and chd above 100% so not quite there on the damage

[proud badger]

they are a mix, still have fairly trash gear, working towards the perfect set

[proud badger]

understood, thank you..

[hollow pasture]

I'd say a good point to aim IMHO is 150 chd

[hazy steeple]

The closer the CHC is to 60 without going over, the better off you'll be, honestly.

assuming no Coyotes that is.

[proud badger]

im going to try and min max it, doing countdown over and over for better strikers

still no coyotes

[hollow pasture]

Focus first on getting to 55ish CHC and then work towards chd

[proud badger]

maybe 15 or so exotic crates lol

roger roger

[hazy steeple]

You'll honestly have a lot more luck with Targeted Loot+ either Directives or Countdown when it comes to farming Coyotes.
otherwise you're pulling from a very large loot pool with just Exotic Caches.

but no harm in getting them in the meantime, you can always use more Exotics Mats.

[hollow pasture]

I think use countdown to get better strikers pieces
And use the currency on exotic caches

[proud badger]

been farming countdown about 7 hours today

have 2 perfect pieces

[hollow pasture]

What chest are you running

[proud badger]

mechanized infantry armor

[broken lion]

This is bad, right?

i just started but idrk if i should run it or catharsis or somethin else

[flint wave]

opposite of bad

ninjabike is the bad one

[broken lion]

the rolls are good?

[flint wave]

I mean yeah

it's hard to get a bad rolled memento

[broken lion]

i thought id want double dps or somethin

[flint wave]

Wdym double dps

[broken lion]

is it always armor as one?

[flint wave]

it's one of those items where it has every core attribute

[broken lion]

ah okay

dang so i cant do anything about that 1st weapon damage roll zzz

[flint wave]

u ain't gonna die over that roll lol

[broken lion]

it bothers me haha

should i run it over catharsis?

[flint wave]

I would

I only do catharsis in pvp

Just invest in 1-3 blue cores to beef up the trophy bit

[hearty forge]

well I think I finished the build, thanks for the help everyone

[drowsy lion]

for police m4 whats the best attachments/perk

[orchid cloud]

stack that chc, no need for accuracy or stability

[drowsy lion]

what about talents?

for the m4

[orchid cloud]

optimist/strained/fast hands/flatline

Oh and don't forget to put dttooc on the attributes

[astral kraken]

fast hands 4 life

[broken lion]

this is bad roll right?

[astral kraken]

No that's a good roll. It's a named gun so the talent can't be changed. You can recalibrate the attribute to DTTOOC and you're good.

Up to you if you want to spend mats on optimizing it though. What you can do is run it as is (after recalibration) and wait till you get a close to perfect drop to spend fewer materials on optimizing.

It's not going to make a huge difference tbh so I'd put my mats into something else early on.

[broken lion]

ah gotcha ty!

[broken lion]

coyote mask comes from jefferson trade center right?

[fallen comet]

yes, must not be invaded

[hazy steeple]

Forget trying to farm Exotics at specific missions like that, it's super not worth it.
Just go straight for the normal farming method:

then either Directives or Countdown. ```

[forest forum]

I didn't think what difference it'd make using a coyote mask in Jefferson Trade (heroic + 3 directives) but dang it really does help using that.

[slate nest]

i have 2 build
1.without Fox Prayer

2. with Fox Prayer

what should i choose?

i use this gun

[hexed steppe]

Looks good. Gunner is a a good pex for the armor in kill. If you are doing higher difficulty content you may also consider protection from elites mods as they will help mitigate damage from yellow bars and named enemies 👍
I run similar with turret/drone

[hexed steppe]

Post a screenshot of the build in question

I would range test both to see the damage comparison

[slate nest]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwVgtMYMxgjBYAMSXLajiBcAOBN5Jh51TNUthlICEz7zsAWeWJ6ORr+y8GzhoMyUAbPgHdJ2YCICcYcLFiLZBWe1izw6ZXEggsQo4amMsIk0aSWpQA

[hexed steppe]

Oic. Ok.
You might consider rolling chc onto iron long. Dropping ceska bag for providence vigilance with same rolls and then adding foxes knee. Idt it's a huge swing either way but ooc damage will apply more than dta, and will be a slightly higher bonus.

Would strikers not be a better build for this over high end? It is the highest single target damage build currently.

[astral kraken]

For an EMP spam build to disable dogs/minitanks: is it better to go with status effect (keeping them down longer) or skill damage (hurting them more when they get hit)?

[timid ore]

Anyone got a updated regulus build? old build from like 2021

[hexed steppe]

Probably both. I'm guessing hw, so wont need a lot of haste

[timid ore]

still same gear or?

[astral kraken]

Yea it's HW so I can only really pick one to focus on. Or are you saying to mix it up?

I have one build for seeker spam (skill dmg) and one build for emp spam (status effect) and I was thinking about consolidating them under one.

To have fewer pieces in inventory.

[hexed steppe]

On spots where you can put both. Maybe focus status main but add capacitor as well for its 60%sd

[astral kraken]

Hmm ok. I'm running a perfectly skilled chest and vile... but I guess I'll ditch vile. The reason I'm running both of those is to double the build as a striker drone killer for situations where they show up in large numbers.

[hexed steppe]

Yeah if you can get it back in 10 seconds anyways you dont need skilled either

[astral kraken]

I guess I could run another mask and have the chest/mask both be skill damage and status effect.

[hexed steppe]

Run sacrifice or wyvern/electrique glass

[astral kraken]

Haha yea that's a good point.

Don't know why I didn't think of that.

"Spam" was the only thing in my head lol

Unfortunately I won't be able to consolidate those two. Too different. The seeker spam one has a china light too.

And btsu

And the greens will need to be one of status or skill dmg.

[hexed steppe]

Yeah just have a couple versions you can swap as needed

You could also consider a strong eclipse with both jammer and emp sticky to kinda alternate to.mitigate cooldown instead of having to dedicate a skill to feedback loop

Could double amp to 60% that way

[astral kraken]

Hmm so the effect will spread...

I do have a pure CC eclipse that I run with foam and EMP sticky.

[hexed steppe]

Vile ticks would also be a lot higher if ep bag and sacrifice present.

[astral kraken]

I always thought vile ticks were ridiculously low and I'd throw it on if I had no other ideas.

For drones it sorta made sense b/c they're weak I guess. Like the little armored ones.

[hexed steppe]

You can get them pretty high if amps added. Otherwise they are pretty low

[astral kraken]

@flint wave Thank you for the help. I finished it. Now to never use it!

[vestal ibex]

Stagger tank IH...

Just need rav and sticky emp

[astral kraken]

I wanted to see how long it would take to clear DUA first stage. Took like 20 minutes LOL

Was actually kinda fun tbh

[vestal ibex]

Just another 100 minutes to finish!

[astral kraken]

And it's safe!

[vestal ibex]

But really this is pretty much the stagger tank so go run ih and be dat boi

[tawdry flare]

Mhh Isn't explo resistance cap at 80% ?

Mhh I think he can go 2pc Richter

[vestal ibex]

Idk explosion resist isn't worth it to me.

[tawdry flare]

For 10% explo to gain 100%

100% explo resistance means drone bi**h can't do sh!t

Finally Posted the message

[vestal ibex]

I mean if you spec like that you won't either tho

[forest forum]

What does accs stand for ?

Some1 in group told kid he had two accs like it was bad thing

[gentle lichen]

It's a shotgun meant for stacking

Doesn't do that much dps

Acs-12

[forest forum]

Ohhh okay yeah the kid had two lol

[gentle lichen]

You're meant to have 1 just to stack up quickly

Usually used on wright when he's immune purely for stacking purposes

[forest forum]

I thought it stood for accuracy

But i wasn't sure

[gentle lichen]

Other than that i'd argue ouro can stack faster and deal dps on its way through

[forest forum]

Makes sense. Appreciate it.

[boreal widget]

Is this ok?

[slate nest]

well,the reason i choose high end because i'm not used to stacking

[onyx sage]

90% iirc

[hexed steppe]

Brands yeah, talents no.
Kinetic momentum for the chest, tech support on the bag
And insync on 1 of your weapons

[tawdry flare]

we can try with 2pcs rk

[onyx sage]

you also will do less damage giving up that stacking

a lot less

[boreal widget]

What's insync and how do I install momentum on chest and tech support on bag?

[tawdry flare]

insync is a hybrid talent it gives both skill dmg and weapon dmg

[hexed steppe]

Fair, itll work for sure but you'll probably see more damage on strikers. Acs shotgun is a really quick stacking weapon

[boreal widget]

Oh

[onyx sage]

you can just stack with the iron lung without using striker chest anyway. striker + obliterate stack really fast without acs

just play it like how you would normally play and you wouldn't really notice the stacking. don't stress over it

[hexed steppe]

You'll have to farm pieces with those talents and add them to your library. This will allow you to put said talents on any piece you like in the future

[boreal widget]

I have that talent

It's just I don't know how to install it

[hexed steppe]

The 3 mentioned will improve damage on your skills big time

[hexed steppe]

Its in the recalibration bench. You select the piece you want to modify, then pick the talent slot, then select the talent you want to install

You can only modify 1 attribute or talent on any given piece, locking all other slots.
If you swapa a talent everything else will be locked in but you will my able to change the talent on that piece infinitely

The skill haste has already been modified

All other slots will be locked in that case

[boreal widget]

Ah we can only do 1?

[hexed steppe]

Yep but you can always modify the same slot anytime

[boreal widget]

Same issue

But I don't have anything installed on this

[hexed steppe]

Notice the yellow name. Named items have either perfect talent, above average attribute, or both. Cant change those

[boreal widget]

Oh so they are special?

[hexed steppe]

Theyll always have yellow writing on the locked things. Yes special

[boreal widget]

Can I remove the upgrade from the old one and upgrade it?

Attribute*

[hexed steppe]

You can change that attribute but all other stuff is locked in now

[boreal widget]

that sucks

[hexed steppe]

Luckily skill pieces are really easy to farm since it's always a yellow core

[boreal widget]

Oh

And the weapon thingy how do I insync it

[hexed steppe]

Same concept. You'll need the talent in your library and the add it to a weapon

[boreal widget]

Weapons have skill related bluffs on them?

[hexed steppe]

Talents will buff different things depending on the talent

Insync uses weapon hits to improve skills damage, and also skill hits to improve weapon damage. If both are hitting this buff doubles.
So you'll end up with a 30% damage improvement on skills and that specific weapon while its buffed

[boreal widget]

🤔

Interesting

[hexed steppe]

The pinned spreadsheet has a tab that has a breakdown of all the different talents. It's very comprehensive

[cyan drift]

It's that time again honestly it could have been worse but it's still an MMR

[urban latch]

Shit that's a solid one, how are the rolls?

[bronze hound]

clan vendor a few weeks ago had a dttooc determined one

with actually good rolls

[tawdry flare]

Bruh that is a god weapon you should change your server name for the honour

[cyan drift]

reload speed iirc

like the old saying goes

if you leave the campus vendor active for long enough, she'll eventually sell something good

[tawdry flare]

Which vendor is that btw

[cyan drift]

campus...

[tawdry flare]

Not campus

Been there

[cyan drift]

it is the campus

[tawdry flare]

Nope

Campus has darkness

[cyan drift]

that's weird then...

unless you're going to the theater and think it's the campus

[tawdry flare]

Campus is the one in front of the cp?

[tawdry flare]

I was wrong all along

[mild stratus]

Hi. Newb here. If your'e doing the ol' Sidearm+Bulwark routine, what Specialty do you move into to compliment that?

[hazy steeple]

Technician gets you a free Skill Tier with your shield so you can put one to Red and hit a bit harder I suppose.
maybe Sharpshooter for the headshots, but seems less effective.

[tawdry flare]

Headshot bonus doesn't work with sidearms afaik

[hazy steeple]

Talent for the Mozam' Special pistol:

Landing body shots adds a stack of bonus 50% headshot damage to the next headshot for 10 seconds. Max stack is 2."```

but in either case, I'd still suggest Technician over it.

[tawdry flare]

Also the artificer hive

For bulwark tank

Technician best

[mild stratus]

Interesting. Thank you.

[urban latch]

Pretty sure they meant the headshot bonus from the sharpshooter spec, not that there's no headshot relevant talents with pistols

Also breadbasket is basically equivalent to no talent at all lol

[tawdry flare]

Yeah that's what I meant thnx

Future perfect can be nice

You can slap 2 red cores and have a kard sidearm with technician

[timid ore]

is this still viable regulus build?

[bronze hound]

kind of

[vestal ibex]

Yes, this is the high end version of it. You should pump some expertise on the regulus, you'll see big gains from it. There is also a hunter fury version you might wanna check out.

[regal mulch]

Whats a good dps build for ARs?

[tawdry flare]

Striker negotiators are the best choices and high end too

[regal mulch]

What about heartbreaker?

[tawdry flare]

Mhh it is good I don't personally like it

@urban latch isn't the tech pointer a bit unreliable ?

[urban latch]

Should be pretty reliable

[tawdry flare]

Sometimes it just doesn't work

Idk it is my 🥔 PC or this 🥔 game

[vestal ibex]

HB is a good build for new players imo, it allows you to go full bluecore and then swap out to reds until you have a comfortable mix of red/blue

It's not as straight forward as striker stacks but it teaches you to learn and take advantage of that mechanic too.

[hollow pasture]

Porque no los dos

[vague frost]

can someone suggest a good TOTS build?