td2-build-advice

[glossy scarab]

grenades come back too slow though. which is why the mad bomber or acosta bag is good bc they refund grenades

[bronze hound]

neither of which can be paired with collector

[glossy scarab]

nope

but at least the collector gets the kills

[bronze hound]

should have made collector a kneepad

[glossy scarab]

even if you run out of nades

[bronze hound]

we still only have two exotic kneepads lol

[vestal ibex]

Solo heroic viable only?

[glossy scarab]

yea rly

yeah i think so

ive seen someone do it in solo leg

and those elites went flying

[bronze hound]

in this game they really reject exotic knees and shotguns so heavily

[vestal ibex]

Well I mean that's a huge step up tho. I mean I'll probably still go normal to get nade challenges tho. Too lazy to invest/make a build for it.

[glossy scarab]

yea this is a boredom build

[bronze hound]

we need either an exotic acs12 or dbsg

[tulip charm]

🤔

[bronze hound]

its true

[flint wave]

exotic sawed off pls

[bronze hound]

yes please

[tulip charm]

why those 2 and for what role we build it for?

[bronze hound]

unique

[flint wave]

dbsg = bigger sawed off

[bronze hound]

we came up with the idea of a sawed off carrying a 10 round mag that exhausts all rounds when you ads

[vestal ibex]

I mean three exotic pistols and three exotic shotguns and two of the best exotics are in each of those catagories.

[bronze hound]

two exotic shotguns* we are not counting lullaby as its own thing

[vestal ibex]

samebutdifferent.gif

[bronze hound]

they are not different

[vestal ibex]

Yeah I forget about that sometimes.

[flint wave]

differentbutsame

[tawdry flare]

Lol

[bronze hound]

thats like when you have two triangles of the exact same proportion and saying they are different

no

[tawdry flare]

Same with merci/ruth

[bronze hound]

a 6/8/10 triangle is the same thing as a 3/4/5 triangle

they look different but are identical

completely identical

[flint wave]

ones half the size

[onyx sage]

similar triangles yes

[bronze hound]

did i specify units?

[vestal ibex]

Pythagorean perfects yo.

[flint wave]

Doesn't matter

[bronze hound]

it 100% does

[vestal ibex]

Wat do triangles have to do wif mah build?

[onyx sage]

math and numbers

facts and logic

[flint wave]

You know that one peaking hole on the summit

It all connects together

just like misinformation

[vestal ibex]

Illuminate!

[tulip charm]

So with oros and elmo is ceska still better with strikers or groupo is the way to go?

[vestal ibex]

#td2-general-chat message

Maybe that can help provide insight but basically it's so close go with your best.

[tulip charm]

sheesh math man strikes again

[long marlin]

with oreo and strikers how much of a damage loss is going 1-2 blue cores

[blissful rampart]

very minorly cause of how bonkers its dps already is

[magic pilot]

Guess what

[blissful rampart]

chicken butt?

[magic pilot]

Flawless and PB

[blissful rampart]

thats photoshopped... i know cause Prodigy is there

🤣

[slate wedge]

with oneshots right?

[magic pilot]

Nope

[blissful rampart]

but jk nice job!

[magic pilot]

Thank you sir

[magic pilot]

I have the LB screenshot too🤣

[vestal ibex]

We got a 14:40 last night with no optimizations yet. We are doing glitchless with no BLB/checkpoint drags. We are gonna start to optimize now tho.

[magic pilot]

Same with me

Division 2 Incursion Flawless PB (13:57)
https://youtu.be/kmySUhlzmik

@vestal ibex

[vestal ibex]

Dude the boss is pointblank... Shoot him in the face lol

I actually think this is why I'll do like 30% more damage than the other DPS during my run.

[magic pilot]

Not in the habit of it lol

[vestal ibex]

We got a lot of work to do but I'm thinking we might start doing synced striker DCH shots on wright to try to 2 phase him. BLB would be considered a glitch but striker DCH overdamage is gud.

[magic pilot]

Yup

[vestal ibex]

I honestly think glitchless could get down to like 10 minutes.

[urban latch]

I mean... over damage could be argued is a glitch

[fleet stump]

hi
i have a quick question
how can i get cleaners tactical assessment?
The easiest way

[vestal ibex]

Easiest is wony and cash in salvage points.

Use those mats to craft them then.

[blissful rampart]

@fleet stump dude, DONT spam all channels with the same question...

[torn ore]

Which should I use? 1st one supposed to have more control, 2nd more dmg

[hexed steppe]

2nd. Dont use ninja. Basically shooting your build in the foot using it in the 1st setup

If you want to do something hybrid, use memento instead. You'll get a lot more than a couple useless set bonus unlocks

[vestal ibex]

I would not suggest the rav for 99% of gameplay either. Only good for robotics and armor plates usually.

[torn ore]

This for incursions

And countdown hunters

[blissful rampart]

FYI, ninja bag automatically makes your build worse because the boosts it gives is weaker then then a normal talent.

[pale orbit]

Any advice for how I can use the dark winter in a build

[vestal ibex]

Put it on any red DPS crit build and shoot at enemies.

[untold hearth]

I have both fenris and a matador backpack. I could use a fenrir helmet if I wanted to already, even a chest piece. But I like to keep the pieces of chest and backpack for Chd and chc. Not all my stats are fully maxed which if they were eventually then it wouldn't be a problem lol.

[magic pilot]

You'd stll be at a crit loss

With AR you can only use 2 pieces that don't have chc rolled to reach cap

Which would be mask and picaros as that offers the most dmg

This is the ideal setup

[slate wedge]

oh naaaaa mate, i just saw some annoying dude who wants to play with me all the time comment "clearly cheating" under Ronon's video

[magic pilot]

He's been getting that a lot lately

[slate wedge]

the same guy also told me that not going into the doorway on lovebirds is better because it is thr normal way and you can kill the bosses faster

[slate wedge]

why though?

i mean superdrag i can understand if you feel like it is cheating (although it isn't) but the oneshots and stuff are legit 1000%

[magic pilot]

Because newer players can't fathom good coordination

99% of players run around with random shit builds and expect to clear everything perfectly

And if they can't do it, no one can

[onyx sage]

heck they don't even understand superdrag

[torn ore]

How?

Assuming you not just saying that because no bp gear talent

[fickle light]

the stats you gain from Ninjabike are always worse than an actual gear talent

[torn ore]

Mm

[fickle light]

at most you'll get a gearset 4pc talent but you will always be better off with the dedicated backpack of that set

[slate wedge]

unless you run it with 3 pc umbra and 2 pc striker because thats meta

obviously /s

saw some guy running that in DZ

[blissful rampart]

Even then, it's still lower dps.

Also gear sets + ninja bag is lower dps then full high ends + ninja bag

[slate wedge]

yeah it was a joke, ninjabike bag is never good

[fickle light]

ninjokebag

[astral kraken]

Looking for thoughts on this build:

• Elmo
• Dark Winter
• Coyote's
• Grupo chest (obliterate)
• 4pc ND

Been going through the paces with it and it slaps. I was trying to think of a good secondary and picked the Dark Winter; I whip it out in the early fight to kill weak things and then use the CHD buff.

Elmo CHC 57% CHD 208%
Dark Winter CHC 58% CHD 203%

Anything I can optimize?

For example not sure if I can ditch Coyote's for something better or run a better chest.

[blissful rampart]

Just fyi, fun talents drop on weapon swap (99% do)

[astral kraken]

NOOOOO

Ok then I need another secondary lol. I have a few classic M1As expertised up... Baker's Dozen and a basic one but the DPS sucks.

[fickle light]

if you want a "whip out, get kill, swap and use buff" try Finisher

[astral kraken]

Oh yea... trick is remembering to do it lol

I've been planning to use this Vindictive pistol for a year and never once remembered to 😂

[dire flame]

@random turret

[random turret]

aye Brothers help him out Ouros is not doing crazy damage with his build what is he missing

[dire flame]

@ 200 stacks
Body shot - 307k
Crit - ~803k
Headshot - 518k
Head Crit - 1.017M

[blissful rampart]

Ignore bullet damage, go by burst dps

Bullet damage is missing too many variables

Pinned note has a great quick dps calc

[rich cosmos]

Is it remotely possible to even make a build that makes a rifle like the sig or lvoa good as a primary?

[dire flame]

Idk whats wrong with my build or my gun range. Its supposed to read maybe 20M before. Now its only saying i top out at 7.7M DPS

[fickle light]

its less of a "lvoa-c isnt good" and more "you'll get carpal tunnel"

[dire flame]

Even though im doing well over that with crits atm

[rich cosmos]

I’m trying to find copium

[fickle light]

its not worth getting actual health problems

[rich cosmos]

Still trying to find a way to make EB work without it just being in a slightly worse strikers build

Is making an all headshot damage build worth it for eb?

[fickle light]

it'll hit like a truck but do no damage if you dont hit heads so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[blissful rampart]

Shooting range dps meter has way too many bugs sadly, it's trash. Hence why I pointed to the pin one

[blissful rampart]

Eh well EB isn't slightly worse, it's just meh for dps. Iirc it's about 15% less dps then a FAMAS.

It's really only a good PVP gun because of talent, but meh outside of that

[rich cosmos]

I don’t use famas just for design reasons, in comparison its kinda close to elmos but elmos still is better in its spot especially because of the better crit chance and damage mods on the guns

Whenever I can get ninja bike bag I’ll try and make a headshot build with it

[fickle light]

yeah dont, Ninjabike bag is also terrible

[blissful rampart]

EB isn't close to Elmo's either fyi. Cause Elmo's can get dtooc and also higher crit mods

[blissful rampart]

Re ninja bag ^^, just fyi

[limber field]

Yo quick question of memento, does the red core dmg stack on pickup or does it only refresh your cooldown

[dire flame]

Both

I think

[candid siren]

thanks for the help is elmos just in the general exotic pool?

[fickle light]

memento has 2 "versions" of its buff. a small, longer lasting stacking buff for each core type (armor regen, weapon damage, and skill efficiency) and a shorter but larger non-stacking buff.

I'm pretty sure the bonus armor from the short buff does stack though, but i'm pretty sure the rest of the short buffs dont.

[limber field]

So with 3 red cores for example it would be 15% dmg on pickup for 10 secs, then if you pickup another one it would then be an effective 30%? Or does it just refresh the 15%

I would think it would be the first one

[fickle light]

For that i'm pretty sure it refreshes the 15%

[limber field]

Because bonus armor builds tho

[bright raptor]

Buy a mouse that either lets you set button mashing as a macro, or the fire button to scrolling the scroll wheel

[limber field]

Or I should say stacks on top of each other

[bright raptor]

Discovering that you're having trouble with the incursion because one of the people you keep patching up is on 3pc Striker, Nightwatcher and... Cabaret is definitely a first

[limber field]

Lmfao

[bright raptor]

Still, could be someone unironically taking 6B Foundry to it and then blaming everyone else

[limber field]

What lvl was that dude?

[bright raptor]

Nightwatcher guy was 68. I'm more curious about his response to my nudging about the mask

"Do you have a Striker mask"

"I have a chest- wait why don't I have it on"

[limber field]

Xddd

[slate wedge]

the build is good, damage is good aswell

[slate wedge]

unless you run unwavering with a gunslinger + versatile build then the fun talents activate on weapon swap

[hexed steppe]

yes, it will drop anywhere target loot AR or exo cache

[ionic frost]

What builds for district union

[bronze hound]

What role

[thin patrol]

Most people here use copied build (famas/elmos with striker) from YTuber TuxedoBandido

[bronze hound]

None of us copied from a youtuber

The YouTuber copied from us lmao

[slate wedge]

ewww

you also watch KvD and MoB right?

[thin patrol]

they are fun clowns to watch

And DOD is the biggest clown

[slate wedge]

they are terrible, spreading missinformation all over the place

[slate wedge]

everybody is entitled to their own opinion but what the hell?

[urban latch]

There really isn't a fair way to say someone "stole" a build. The game is fundamentally math based, so multiple people will always come to the same/similar setups if something makes sense. Part of the problem with misinformation and shit builds on YT is people trying to constantly come up with "new builds" (aka guys like Tux) which generally means it just doesn't make any sense.

[untold hearth]

I will keep that in mind and look into my stash, thx 👍🏻

[magic pilot]

Np

[tawdry flare]

I really want YouTuber to make a meta 5.11 sleigher build

[slate wedge]

got one

2 blue, 2 yellow and 2 red 5.11 with sleigher

can also use one l3ss blue and ninjabike instead

[urban latch]

https://youtu.be/K3WcTJOFSfQ?si=63GMAWbPXIPiBxMg

[tawdry flare]

You are missing ninjabije so it not viable

[slate wedge]

way ahead of ya

[tawdry flare]

It must be ronon

[urban latch]

Missing sleigher unfortunately

[tawdry flare]

Lol

I will try Lincoln memorial I have been getting too many 5.11 double crit pcs

[magic pilot]

Melee only heroic Lincoln memorial

[ionic frost]

Is there a certain spot to find chc???

[flint wave]

No

[tawdry flare]

You challenging me ?👀

[astral kraken]

ok if you HAD to do it, how would you? sweet dreams?

[slate wedge]

probably lady death, bloody knuckles, claws out

[tawdry flare]

Ninja foundry bulwark with claws out

And lady death

[tawdry flare]

No knuckles cause the bonus is meh and need survivability

[slate wedge]

i just played an incursion and we killed the lovebirds in one phase so easily it is insane

[tawdry flare]

One phase is eazy I did 3 run with random group in an hour

[astral kraken]

Soooo... I ran out of loadouts. The only build that I haven't used in a long time is the standard red DPS build. Thinking of just deleting it. Am I crazy? Any time I want DPS I'll go with ND/Striker anyway.

The only time I've ever used the standard red build is challenging content (eg: sheperding) when the enemies are too weak to build stacks. But even then it doesn't matter b/c they just die fast. And with ND I don't need to worry about stacks + mobs die even faster.

I'm wondering if there's a use for standard red DPS that I'm completely missing.

[slate wedge]

just 2 focus on johnson and 1 focus on martinez

easy clapz

[dense seal]

He probably tried telling me that EB is OP and I called him an idiot. . . . . . .

[tawdry flare]

Hi Dod remember me 👀

[tawdry flare]

Yeah but need ouroboros with Max striker stacks

Everything else Is a massive dps drop

Striker chest and bag bis

For incursion bosses

Or a Scorpio

Also aim for the hand of Johnson when he is deploying skills it works

[slate wedge]

oh hi dod, nice to see you here

i literally watched all your Did you Kbow vids in the last couple of weeks

[slate wedge]

yes but the stacks are so easy to get

[slate wedge]

really?

[tawdry flare]

Tried it many times it works I think it bugs him out

It cancels his skill deployment also

[slate wedge]

lol, nice code

[dense seal]

You can also melee him.

[bright raptor]

I just know that Scorpio shock doesn't interrupt that, next up for if I'm being the healer again is clubbing him with the other end

[hexed steppe]

go for it. as long as you retain the gear, its not like you cant put it together quick if you need it. ND easily fills that role anyways 👍

[livid horizon]

@dense seal please do a vid on intimidate, I'd love to see what your thoughts are on this talent since Aren Rush was nerfed.

[glossy scarab]

i bet he'll have some nice things to say about bloodsucker

[slate wedge]

intimidate is actually crazy good for landmarks in the DZ paired with a 4 blue HF build

and memento obviously

[glossy scarab]

yep. i use bloodsucker because it stacks 10x and its pretty hard to lose all that bonus armor and lose intimidate. makes it easy to keep the buff maxed up through a whole battle. with memento thats only one blue so the bonus armor per trophy isnt that much and can easily get shot off quickly and then i have no intimidate

[dense seal]

The bonus armour from Memento IS THE EXACT same as Bloodsucker. The difference is how they stack.
Memento is individual, Bloodsucker is collective.
Inshort, if you cannot keep the bonus armour from Memento, then you are not killing things fast enough

[glossy scarab]

yeah they last the same amount of time, ive just never been able to stack 10x worth of bonus armors from memento trophies

[dense seal]

Like I just said, kill faster.

[glossy scarab]

yeah true. i mean memento is obviously the better piece

[tawdry flare]

Just use ouroboros

Or Scorpio

I run full striker red ouro

Rarely though cause regulus/m870 exists

[tawdry flare]

Which code lol

[tawdry flare]

I am not gonna risk that with sniper turrent over my head

[dense seal]

Melee him while he is trying to throw it, sometime he forgets. Or if you melee him while he is running to place, he turns around and goes for a walk around the area.

[tawdry flare]

Mhh ok will try thnx

[tawdry flare]

I also disagree with tsunami above enforcer in your tier list

[dense seal]

Tsunami does not even need Pummel active to out perform Enforcer with Pummel active.
That missing Attribute litterally makes it Meh, at best.

[tawdry flare]

Well the way I think it is enforcer is super 90 highest dps shotgun and if it is 10% more DMG than sasg-12 than with dttoc both should be equal

Let me reference Azure sheet

[glossy scarab]

i wish tsunami would give you the one in the chamber for 8 shells instead of the 7 it gives you in the free reload. same with every mag fed shotgun. makes me want to reload anyway just for that one extra shell (not that i even need it)

[livid horizon]

I find Memento with intimidate is a great combo, and uptime on intimidate is great as long as your killing stuff. A lot of people seem to think intimidate is trash since adren rush got nerfed, but i disagree.

[dense seal]

Those calcs are at base. The DTA on the Shotguns are not taken into account.
So, in essence, what you need to consider is that Enforcer only comes with 12%DTA.
Tsunami comes with 12% DTA and you can put 10% DTOOC on it. This does not mean Tsunami will do 10% more.
1.12 (DTA) x 1.1 (DTOOC) = 1.232. Tsunami gets an extra 11.2% more just by having DTOOC.
And this is just off the weapon.
Now Multiply the Difference with Hunter's Fury with another 53.15% Amp.
The gap gets pretty big.

[dense seal]

Ad Rush got Nerfed? When?

[glossy scarab]

i think hes maybe thinking of the change to intimidate which made adrenaline rush less useful

[tawdry flare]

They just copy pasted hf stacks formula on intimidate

[dense seal]

1.1 * 1.12 * 1.5315 = 1.8868 (88.68% Multiplier) - Tsunami
1.12 * 1.5315 = 1.7152 (71.52% Multiplier) - Enforcer

[tawdry flare]

What if I am dealing with chunga or a dog the gap will be smaller

[glossy scarab]

Dod have you seen anything about the collector exotic chest piece and firewall spec cluster grenades? its a huge jump in damage but only for that one grenade

[dense seal]

Then the DTA on both weapons will be redundant, at which point you get.
1.1 * 1.5315 = 1.6846 (68.46% Multiplier) - Tsunami
1.5315 (53.15% Mulitplier) - Enforcer.

[livid horizon]

Sorry, it was an indirect nerf due to the changes made to intimidate

[dense seal]

Depending on how you look at it, Intimidate got buffed.

[livid horizon]

Yea I don't think a lot of people realise how good it is if you can maintain bonus armour

[tawdry flare]

But we need to take base DMG into account here

Sure the amp is more

[tawdry flare]

Yeah but I wish the dng debuff range was a little more but with iuro it will not matter much cause you can easily maintain these stacks

Also I guess expertise on these gear is somewhat worth it not much but it gives more returns compared to other

[dense seal]

Then we would also need to take into account the RPS
Tsunami wins . . . . .

[dense seal]

Nah, chest is useless.
Grenades offer very little in the end game.

[hexed steppe]

Except you would need 2 blue on memento to actually be the same as bloodsucker . Iirc only 5 trophy stack on memento.

[tawdry flare]

We can't put glass Cannon with the chest lol

[tawdry flare]

No memento is more than that

[glossy scarab]

#ask-td2-community message these grenades can kill handfuls of heroic elites with one grenade

[hexed steppe]

No.memento is 10% per blue core

[tawdry flare]

Mad bomber should have been a bag

[dense seal]

Not at all.
They both offer 10% armour per stacks, and both stack 10 times.
The difference is litterally, Bloodsucker skills refresh all stacks. Memento Trophies are individually counted.

[tawdry flare]

Like double companion

[livid horizon]

well everything is shite now that oreo is here

[tawdry flare]

I still prefer regulus

[livid horizon]

that too

[tawdry flare]

Also ouro is shit with maruders

The only weakness range

[hexed steppe]

You'll probably want to double check how many trophies will stack on short buff...
Iirc it's only 5

[dense seal]

Do that in the open world without the enemies running away and you hitting nothing.

[dense seal]

It is 10

[hexed steppe]

I like the confidence... 🍻

[tawdry flare]

You can hit out of combat when enemies doesn't know you are there but in combat yeah impossible

[glossy scarab]

yea i tried. its not super easy but its totally doable. the AOE is huge with the combo of collector and cluster nades

[tawdry flare]

If I were to do grenade DMG I would use glass Cannon

[glossy scarab]

yeah, but the increased area is pretty much the best part about the exotic chest or the carpenter named chest

[tawdry flare]

It will give me more

At least the named bag is somewhat better

[glossy scarab]

im gonna try. ive never seen explosive dmg from a grenade hitting 13 mil. i wonder where it'll land with glass cannon

[tawdry flare]

Yeah we should have a shared glass Cannon talent all DMG team deals is amplified by 30% and all DMG team takes is amplified by 60%

[glossy scarab]

oh god

[dense seal]

Feel free to count the stacks.

[tawdry flare]

Why not also it doesn't stack with regular gc

[slate wedge]

yeah, memento is pretty busted in solo play

[slate wedge]

i hate running memento with striker because i always feel like it is mandatory to run the backpack

[dense seal]

Yeah, but Ouroboros . . .

[tawdry flare]

Regulus...

[dense seal]

Regulus on a Striker build. . . . . . .

[tawdry flare]

Regulus Dch poket Nuke bolstered by striker stacks

4pcs strikers. Dch ceska obli famas fast hand acs regulus

[dense seal]

That is my Raid build. Except i do not use ASC>

[tawdry flare]

I run with it in cd

[round zinc]

chat is it normal for my merciless to hit 3 mil per shot sometimes

[tawdry flare]

You mean on the 7th shot right?

[round zinc]

idk why but on umbra im hitting for some big numbers after the initial explosion

like after the 7th shot

[tawdry flare]

Yeah lol that is an explosion so 2-3 million definitely possible on the explosion

But I have used merciless with braced striker

[round zinc]

gimme a sec

[vestal ibex]

Here 1 second

[round zinc]

bruh its taking so long

its been 2 minutes and my video is still uploading

BRO

COME ON

[glossy scarab]

skill issue

[round zinc]

ITS LIKE 58MB

SOMETHING WENT WRONG

SCREW YOU DISCORD

[vestal ibex]

rekt

[tawdry flare]

And striker stacks affect it

[round zinc]

like did you see the series of multiple non crit 1+mil shots in the last few seconds?

thats definitely not the explosion

[tawdry flare]

Well for fact it has quite high base DMG and 1-2 mil crit on most rifle is normal imo

If famas can reach 600-700k+ per shot on head merciless sure can reach even higher

[round zinc]

yea but take into consideration that my crit before the explosion were like 613k at best

[tawdry flare]

613k is very low crit on rifle tbf

[round zinc]

they were all body shots

[round zinc]

well yea thats the point im making here

im using umbra

[tawdry flare]

I would never use 🏖️

Except for meme builds with ouro

New ROF Meta

[round zinc]

bro did you like

even see the last part of the vid

umbra provides like 0 actual damage number buff

and i would not receive crit damage bonus because those last few shots aren't crits

[glossy scarab]

umbra gives crit damage no?

[round zinc]

im asking why did it magically jump from 613k crit to 1.1mil no crit bodyshot

[glossy scarab]

i saw a 3 mil

[round zinc]

this

[vestal ibex]

Read the talent yo

500% amp damage AND creates and explosion.

[tawdry flare]

Explosion can crit too iirc or maybe not

[delicate laurel]

As long as it makes a big boom idc

[round zinc]

500% amp damage for the explosion only

[tawdry flare]

Explosion can crit too

Also 1.1 million normal shot with 150% crit it is easy to reach 2.5-3 mil

[vestal ibex]

Read the talent.

[round zinc]

im talking about the massive bump here

[tawdry flare]

Just put a photo of talent here

[round zinc]

explain why the 15 sec before that i was hitting below 1 mil then

even with explosion

[tawdry flare]

Umbra taking time

[round zinc]

bro did you NOT see the raw 1 mil shot no crit

[tawdry flare]

I did not saw the video lol

Internet is shit here

[round zinc]

bro how can you even discuss

[vestal ibex]

I'm telling you why you had a shot hit for approx 5 times your normal hit.

[round zinc]

im begging both of you to watch the video

you literally don't understand what im saying here

[tawdry flare]

Will you kindly put the talent description here

[round zinc]

watch the god damn video everyone knows how it works

bro you guys are just actively trolling

[tawdry flare]

I can't lmao

[round zinc]

i know the explosion does 500% amp

[tawdry flare]

@vestal ibex need to do flawless incursion you free weekend

[vestal ibex]

No it doesn't.

[round zinc]

im talking about the first 15 seconds of it doing no damage and then a random 10 second of non crit shots doing 1 mil

[vestal ibex]

Your using umbra, test this with a build that doesn't ramp and alternate damage.

Just read the talent.

[round zinc]

UMBRA DOESN'T CHANGE THE DAMAGE NUMBER

CHD BUFF MEANS NOTHING IF IM NOT CRITTING

bro just say you didn't watch the video

genuinely its a 20 second video

wow bro that 500% amp damage is so big bro

its literally 1 shot of 3.6 mil and 10 shots of 611k afterwards

[tawdry flare]

Try it with a simple he or nego Build

[round zinc]

and THIS is 7 shots of 1.1 mil

[round zinc]

well thats the thing

[vestal ibex]

Which is probably the talent and the shooting range being buggy.

[round zinc]

well DUH thats what ive been asking

for the last 15 minutes

"read the talent bro" bro i know how it works

[vestal ibex]

Well if you did you would have thought that and not asked but tested in it open world.

[tawdry flare]

No need to be salty

[round zinc]

i wouldn't if yall just told me its a bug or whatever 15 minutes ago

[vestal ibex]

Don't know if it is. You go test open world?

[tawdry flare]

All's Well when the End's Well @vestal ibex

[round zinc]

ill be sure to

[vestal ibex]

Maybe there is something where on explosion the amp damage last for a second or two.

I mean it's still not very useful unless teammates also get that amp.

[round zinc]

well yea its not gonna make it meta or good

its just a weird thing

[random parcel]

hhey guys, whats a good build to start doing at the start? Just finished ny 🤣

[vestal ibex]

Go to the pinned messages in this channel and there is a Division 2 gear spread sheet, it's a wealth of knowledge and has a build hubs tab which link to evernotes that are easy to read and give good explantions on gear options for many different builds.

[lavish oyster]

heartbreaker or dilemma.

[vestal ibex]

If you have a play style you prefer it's easiest to suggest based on that. Just check out a build and if you have questions just ask away.

[slate wedge]

skill build and striker build

[hexed steppe]

also an eclipse build along with previous mentions

[upper patrol]

besides the stats fixing on gear, is this a good combo? need the ceska for crit chance

[lavish oyster]

you can do challenging in this

[blissful rampart]

pretty much standard HB build, overkill on the blues though. other options is memento backpack (much stronger then HB bag) or Ceska bag with dps talent.

you can do legendary with that (though not ideal, but can be done)

[upper patrol]

memento it is

[lavish oyster]

as burden for team? well, okay

[round zinc]

you can do better with a flatline m4/famas tho

[upper patrol]

my existence is a burden to my team, but i sometimes push through

[vestal ibex]

I mean no worse than a skill build but people swear by them for legendary.

[long marlin]

for FI healer how many secondaries should be on repair skill vs haste

[onyx sage]

preferably all of them if going pure healer?

[long marlin]

was told before its more optimal without all cant remember how much tho

going FI setup btsu with sledge and scorp

[onyx sage]

i would say the attributes aren't as contentious versus the items/talents you pick

like perfect oppo, sledge, btsu for example are very top tier items and you'd need very good reasons to convince people you don't use them

[long marlin]

yeah got them all already

[vestal ibex]

Go into your stats tab and go to your chem launcher. It's best to go for a mix to get you around 15 seconds on your chem cooldown.

It can be really hard to gauge it based on ingame play unless you play with the same people all the time. One thing is certain, you don't need 1.4 mil on a chem hit as a red build has 726k armor, I think at a 15 second cooldown you still hit a chem heal for 1 mil.

[tawdry flare]

Btw I got my half setup

[vestal ibex]

Half setup?

[tawdry flare]

I wanted a setup with status and repair skill got the status part only hence half setup

[long marlin]

ty legend

[vestal ibex]

Ah yeah I've got one with a blue core for my tech healer and another with weapon handling/repair skill, I'll get one with repair/haste some day.

[tawdry flare]

Soon ™

[upper patrol]

Besides regulus , what else is BiS to grind with directives? want to get SHD levels for the watch points :\

[tawdry flare]

Scorpio ouroboros

[tawdry flare]

D50/wd determined and hh and it becomes a joke

[upper patrol]

Got a build screenshot or something? just to have some guidance

[tawdry flare]

See the pinned spreadsheet In the channel Hunters Fury Headhunter

[onyx sage]

or Regulus Headhunter

[flint wave]

""""besides regulus""""

[upper patrol]

xD

yeah can't get IH done

[onyx sage]

the build is literally the same

[upper patrol]

this right?

[onyx sage]

yes

[flint wave]

besides the hunters fury

[onyx sage]

you just swap out regulus for d50

[onyx sage]

besides the entire build

[tawdry flare]

Go D50 determined for cheese

[flint wave]

exactly

[flint wave]

mid50

[tawdry flare]

Else d50 future perfect

Or D50 With salvage

[upper patrol]

aight

[tawdry flare]

I guess cause no reload

[onyx sage]

d50 close & personal 4 life

[vestal ibex]

D50 determined chainkiller and literally anything in the other slots during reanimated GE.

[tawdry flare]

Determined works without ge too just need to reach Max cap

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but you missed the important thing about what I said. You can wear anything and it will work. So crack out proficiency on some exotic holsters or other gear/guns.

[woeful swift]

does ouro actually roll with dttoc?

[vestal ibex]

It has a chance to but you'll just reconfigure it till it does. Still if it drops slap it on no matter the stats it's better.

[woeful swift]

i got it first run last night

i'm just reconfiguring over and over

[vestal ibex]

Yeah I took like 8 tries and a friend took like 15 tho.

[woeful swift]

every time i get an okay roll i'm like "iiiiii will just reconfig one more time maybe i'll get it" and i always end up with like. swap speed, and no mats

IT HAPPENED AGAIN ugh

[upper patrol]

Memento not good here?

[patent fossil]

Lower damage, more survivability. Depends if you're struggling to reach one shot damage levels reliably

[upper patrol]

ok ty

Also why 2 shotguns? and maybe not a rifle for the high HH damage?

[onyx sage]

it depends, if you need range you can use a rifle or mmr, however shotguns do not lose to them in terms of damage

[upper patrol]

so the build on the spreadsheet is using pistol for mid range + filling ammo and shotgun for close range?

[onyx sage]

yes, and you need m870 to one shot bosses

it only loses to regulus because of dodge city

[blissful rampart]

also 2 shottys so you done need to reload the slow M870

[onyx sage]

yeah if you're out of pummel

[upper patrol]

okok ty

[sullen sun]

@urban latch did you say the talents were wrong on this?

[urban latch]

For pvp

That's a pve setup

[sullen sun]

What would the talents be for PvP?

[urban latch]

Generally ranger on the white death, optimist on the shotgun

And DCH would swap out for an airaldi piece

It's very much a glass cannon. You can 1 tap with the white death, and 1 or 2 tap with the regulus

But if you trade shots your probably dead

[round zinc]

You’re*

[sullen sun]

DCH? Also is this build better than a Hotshot build?

Pump action better than a Scorpio?

[urban latch]

For just the white death, 3p hotshot would be slightly better, but the high end build is generally better overall since it will be more effective with the shotgun and (especially) regulus. You can look at this as a white death/regulus pvp build. White death for long range, regulus for mid-short

Shotgun for oh shit moments

DCH: Dodge city holster

And Scorpio is trash in pvp

[sullen sun]

I need the Regulus period lol

[round zinc]

You can just use a d50 in the meantime

Probably one with max optimist

Granted having only 1 round in your sidearm isn’t the brightest idea but hey

Big damage

[sullen sun]

I use D50 with determined

[round zinc]

That works too

If you cant aim well with regu its the best option here

[sullen sun]

Kontrol freaks make me feel like I’m cheating anyway 😆

[round zinc]

Just for shit and giggles what can DCH regu 1 shot in pvp

[sullen sun]

I one shot elites

Easy mode

Determined OP

[slate wedge]

it kinda is

got some funny clips

[magic pilot]

Nothing

[round zinc]

Thats so L tbh

[vestal ibex]

Well it's just a two shot right? One to the head and then a body or no?

[sullen sun]

Yes

[vestal ibex]

Well not an L then.

[sullen sun]

I one hit targets in DZ, npcs

[blissful rampart]

fyi DCH is only a 10% boost in pvp

[stiff orbit]

new skill set is pretty damn good in legendary

[magic pilot]

Most players can take 1-3 reg shots depending on your build

Now that vigi is bugged it's not worth playing reg at all rn

[sullen sun]

@urban latch what’s mods do you use on that PvP build?

[urban latch]

That build is all about hsd

[woeful swift]

FINALLY

[stiff orbit]

now delete it

[woeful swift]

jail

[woeful swift]

just got a nasty kingbreaker for my heartbreaker build too

[gentle lichen]

Change that to dttooc and it'll be 👍

Truly blessed cache

[woeful swift]

already did homie

realistically now i just need better heartbreaker gear, my heartbreaker gear rn has way too much blue

[hoary oracle]

It's a massive L - would've been jokes to have full power DCH in PVP as well

[stiff orbit]

Hey, is it status effect, skill haste, or skill dmg that i should be focusing on when recalibrating for Ortiz: Exuro?

[tawdry flare]

Status effect

[stiff orbit]

oh okay so it’s the same shit as EP?

[tawdry flare]

Yes but way worse

[stiff orbit]

well i’m not expecting anything to compete with something that nukes entire missions

[tawdry flare]

That is the problem cause it is an eclipse competitor destined to fail

[stiff orbit]

idk, i think it holds its own.

it’s just another option

[tawdry flare]

The problem with ortiz is low dmg low uptime for your skill

[stiff orbit]

yeah, i noticed that pretty quickly. It’s nice crowd cc, but the skill doesn’t throw that far meaning sometimes it takes too long for you to actually put it in a good spot. And the cooldown and too long even with skill haste mods you’re still waiting at the minimum like 25 seconds.

the dmg output with vile isn’t bad, but your argument about ep just being better is valid.

it needs to somehow make up for the lose of EPs mobility and spreadability with dmg

[magic pilot]

Main PVP AR build with catharsis until I get blue core matador (ignore famas talent) sits at 59/168 with mods on

[tawdry flare]

Mods

[hoary atlas]

Guys

Striker is that good for Lost Paradise

[hoary atlas]

I use Zero F and Fox prayer kneepads

Also I suggest Strained

For Famas

[fickle light]

yes

[hoary atlas]

Protection from elites is that good survivability against NPC

[fickle light]

it will only protect against elites, so (as far as i know) yellow bars, named enemies, and bosses

so yes but no

for the incursion, i've been using 4pc striker, ceska & coyote's. striker chest and bag

[hoary atlas]

Same but Chest is Ceska with Obliterated

[fickle light]

striker chest will be better after the tanker encounter

[hoary atlas]

So Made 2 Build ?

[fickle light]

assuming you have an ACS to stack it

[hoary atlas]

I have Rock & roll

[fickle light]

i mean i've just been running the same build the whole time but it doesnt really matter if you Made 2 Build

[hoary atlas]

Use Big Horn in Incursion was bad idea ?

[fickle light]

not a good idea but its useable, elmo's or a famas is better

[hoary atlas]

Well I use Elmo on Striker build but for legendary

But I need replace with Negotiator dilemma

Only I need fenris Backpack

With vigilance

Or Adrenaline Rush

[fickle light]

ok

elmo or famas is good

[tawdry flare]

Get a ceska bag tbh

It will be more versatile

[hoary atlas]

Not Gruppo ?

I tried to build an alternative Legendary Build by use Negotiator dillema 4 PCs, 1 Ceska Obliterate and 1 fenris with Adrenaline

[tawdry flare]

Wrong build tbf

The highest DMG you can have for nego is focused nego

4pcs nego chest perfect focus and bag is ceska vigilance or swap vigilance for coyote mask

[merry stone]

dmg out of cover best for ouro??

[tawdry flare]

Yes

Best in slot as 3rd attribute for all weapons of except lmg

[merry stone]

reconfiged it 9 times for it 🤪

[tawdry flare]

Your exo loss

[autumn moon]

Will bleed be on ridgeway's be applied on another player if the other player is 100% hazpro?

[patent fossil]

No

[hoary atlas]

Full red ?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[tawdry flare]

No

[hoary atlas]

Which one Chest with perfect focus

[tawdry flare]

Pristine Example

[hoary atlas]

Only found at Clan

[rose juniper]

So I'm new to the game just finished the DLC and I'm wondering what type off greatset/ attributes should I go for for a Pve dps build?

[tawdry flare]

If you want to use elmos go obliterate or glass cannon cause focus doesn't work

[hoary atlas]

Any replacement

[tawdry flare]

The Sacrifice or Groupo Obliterate chest

[hoary atlas]

Ah okay

[hoary atlas]

Might be gruppo better

[tawdry flare]

Toggle crits cause the power is in the crits

[hexed steppe]

striker with crit rolls, coyote mask, ceska oblit chest, AR/ACS weapons.
check the pinned spreadsheet in this channel for a build guide on striker and many other setups 📌

[rose juniper]

Alright thank you I'll look into it

[autumn moon]

So the damage also won't affect the hazpro player?

[patent fossil]

They won't be affected by bleed, they'll still take normal weapon damage

[autumn moon]

So wicked and sadist won't proc ridgeway's?
Good to know

[patent fossil]

Correct

[autumn moon]

Thanks

[slate wedge]

why???

[hoary atlas]

For Incursion and legendary

[tawdry flare]

For incursion striker is better for legendary yeah nego is good no doubt

[hexed steppe]

more like why not 😅
nego is a solid set. might want to slap an m1a classic or m1a cqb into there with elmo though

[slate wedge]

sorry i meant the one with pristine example

because st. elmos doesnt even proc focus

[hexed steppe]

yeah would need famas in that one

[tawdry flare]

That's what I said pgc is good

[slate wedge]

c7

holy shit, i just got a 3.1m headshot with ouro in countdown

[livid horizon]

thats the close range buff for ya

[slate wedge]

nope, wasn't on

only striker chest + huge spawn + striker shield

[livid horizon]

well, must be team buffs like FI, Scorpio etc

[tawdry flare]

Team buffs with survivalist fi stacked coyote

Maybe sledgehammer too

[slate wedge]

dob't think so, only striker shield being OP because 11% amp per enemy

3.1m

only opportunistic

[tawdry flare]

Scorpio 20% too

Also maybe you have the headshot buff

[glossy scarab]

somehow i get 12%

[hexed steppe]

Yeah hs buff, repair buff, and hostile skill damage reduced cointermeasures

[long marlin]

only 3.1 my highest in countdown was 6.1 (i have no idea how)

[tawdry flare]

That is why yt shows build in cd

[long marlin]

yeah damage is busted in cd

3.7 is my highest oreo crit outside of cd

[tawdry flare]

In incursion ?

[vestal ibex]

incur you...

[tawdry flare]

Lol I haven't gotten above 2 mil since playing with random has worst luck sometimes have to clear with 4 dps no healer

[long marlin]

yeah in incursion

[vestal ibex]

I'm upset about that normal world diff thing. It makes runs SOOO much easier. Our speeds are probs gonna pick 15-30 seconds cause of that.

[long marlin]

more than that i reckon

depends on the team tho like so far ive gotten to 13:40 with an LFG

[delicate laurel]

wow guys i found a god roll mpx lmao

[vestal ibex]

I mean we are probably gonna change strats there so it could be more.

[long marlin]

for lovebirds you can legit just run onto stage insta swap drone and kill both

[vestal ibex]

Yeah so we are probably gonna have a dps get the swap and the other two clear ads and boom 10 minute run.

[long marlin]

you can get the swap before ads spawn so you ignore them kill both than clear works

if you wanna be really quick

[tawdry flare]

Yeah no doubt

[vestal ibex]

Current pb is 11:43 glitchless, so no turret pull/one shots.

[tawdry flare]

One shot is not glitch

[long marlin]

more an exploit than anything else

[delicate laurel]

It's cheese

[vestal ibex]

BLB is a glitch.

[long marlin]

you can one shot without BLB using multiple people on striker with regulus tho

2 striker reg 2 buffing

[tawdry flare]

Yeah forgot blb

[vestal ibex]

Well we aren't doing one shots and we don't plan on it.

I wanna do sub 10 no oneshots/glitches.

[tawdry flare]

My friend did sub 11 with randos and he got carried

[long marlin]

i assume for bosses yous are using striker reg? or just oreo for dps

because you can still use without one taps

[slate wedge]

you probably have a 1% mod for another slot than the 5% one

[vestal ibex]

Yeah I'm not sure what the fastest 3 man run would be but imagine you'd just have a +1 at that point.

[long marlin]

have seen 11 min flawless carry

[slate wedge]

thats with short range buff

also was it with ouro?

[long marlin]

yeah oreo

[slate wedge]

does the scorpio shoot the 7 shots that fast? because it only started when the new wave spawned

[slate wedge]

dang

[tawdry flare]

It's about 2.5 shot per second iirc

[long marlin]

literally looked at the hunters and they died was good fun

[slate wedge]

then maybe yeah

[slate wedge]

the effective burst dps you would have with 6.1m per shot is 173m

[long marlin]

imagine having that permanenetly

regulus one tap nah oreo bzzzztt

[glossy scarab]

i do but i was under the impression that the base dmg boost from the shield was 5%. and 5+5+1= 11 not 12

[long marlin]

rn im doing 2.1mil without strikers stacked

[slate wedge]

idk man

[glossy scarab]

me neither

[slate wedge]

i looked and i have 10%

max is 11% with a second increase mod

[glossy scarab]

weird. i just noticed it the other day. usually it was 11

[slate wedge]

is yours 12%?

[glossy scarab]

yeae

[slate wedge]

maybe with mementos skill efficiency?

[glossy scarab]

possibly..

[slate wedge]

if efficiency buffs the damage bonus

new strat artificer hive with 3 people using steiker shield

[bronze hound]

What

[slate wedge]

i now knwo

first skill tier gives 1% damage bonus

after that 0.2 for every skill tier

[glossy scarab]

oh then i must have had memento on or tech spec

[slate wedge]

tech spec probably doesnt work

[glossy scarab]

i hardly ever use memento though but i do remember having it on yesterday

[slate wedge]

which mods do you use on your shield?

[glossy scarab]

i had on 5% dmg, 1% dmg and then shield health probably

[long marlin]

for a dz build what would be best on all the gear just crit chance and damage? going carthesis

[slate wedge]

yeah, probably

[blissful rampart]

also theres great pvp guides in the pinned spreadsheet too, id give that a look

[stiff orbit]

hey Azur, will the spreadsheet be updated soon for Exuro?

[blissful rampart]

the gear set is already on the spreadsheet, check the gear set tab

[stiff orbit]

oh okay, my mistake. Checked it a few days ago and thought they were still testing before it got updated.

[blissful rampart]

wait do you mean Exuro builds? or just the gear set info? the info is on the sheet already though. but for builds its sadly too weak. its just a much weaker EP build (both CC or damage EP )

its a fun gear set though, but just doesnt make the cut.

[stiff orbit]

builds

[stiff orbit]

yeah, was talking with someone yesterday about it.

[tawdry flare]

5.11

[stiff orbit]

It clearly needs a buff to compete with EP

cooldown is too long

[flint wave]

5.11

[stiff orbit]

referring to 5.11 as to how it’s supposed to be built?

sorry, i’m a bit confused is all

[blissful rampart]

like the gear set itself seems good BUT the fire turret is still to weak even after all those buffs IMHO

[distant cloak]

Hi, I'm using the strikers build on the spreadsheet (4pc with ceska chest and obliterate) st Elmo's is my primary. Is there a specialization that is optimal for the build or is it a preference? Cheers

[blissful rampart]

preference really.

[stiff orbit]

gunner

is what people typically use

[blissful rampart]

Firewall is highest dps (with striker shield), gunner is next and tech is also great because of the +1 skill tier

[flint wave]

Tldr: Gunner is the best

[stiff orbit]

i think if the turret was easier to throw longer distances and did a tad bit more dmg with a lower cooldown it would be better. The dmg and crowd cc is fun and so far i’ve run it in legendary and had success with it. But it just isn’t EP

[blissful rampart]

not the best, but its among the best

[flint wave]

It is the best

[blissful rampart]

i mean its still usable BUT just much weaker then EP builds.

[stiff orbit]

I’ve found myself getting too close to enemies to get the turret in the middle of them.

and kinda wish that oro synergised better with it

you can’t set yourself on fire

[blissful rampart]

atm Oreo is just brokenly strong that it synergizes with all builds pretty much lol just cause of its dps

[flint wave]

Power creep at its finest

[stiff orbit]

that’s fair but i would like to make use of the talent

[blissful rampart]

eh well the talent sucks sadly needs a rework (same with iron lung talent) BUT both weapons have strong base stats

[flint wave]

It's talent is it's stupid base stats

[stiff orbit]

i would take lower rpm for a stronger talent

if i wanted just a gun that shoots fast there’s plenty in the game for that already, and elmo imo just works better in more situations.

[flint wave]

We should be able to foam teammates now that ouro is in the game

And payback for people who run in front of the launcher and get me foamed

[blissful rampart]

oh i agree, Exos should be strong because of their talent, not base stats. BUT here we are 😭

[stiff orbit]

☹️

[flint wave]

like you said every exotic should be regulus level

the prophecy is coming true

[blissful rampart]

Oreo is so strong that running 5blues still out dps strained famas lul

[flint wave]

except reg also has a good talent

[stiff orbit]

am i the only one who thinks that weapons behind hard missions should be better than weapons that just drop?

[woeful swift]

yes

[stiff orbit]

i genuinely don’t understand why

[vestal ibex]

Clicking heads with a pistol isn't something most can do but when you can.... O my.

[stiff orbit]

oro should be worth your time

[flint wave]

but from what I'm hearing it's kind of bs

[woeful swift]

have you used the gun

[flint wave]

That's alot of damage

[stiff orbit]

i got it on my first character run

[vestal ibex]

Ouro is just SO much damage. If you can get into range it's just BRRRRR out of existence for anything.

[blissful rampart]

i did a thing, 1 sec

[stiff orbit]

i don’t see the issue.

[woeful swift]

i did too, i out damaged a shd level 700 and 3000 both by well over 500 million damage last night lol

im shd level 98

[flint wave]

luck

[blissful rampart]

Oreo/ famas break down, same build (famas with Strained)

[vestal ibex]

I did an incursion and did 4 billion damage vs the highest other one being 2.

[woeful swift]

yeah i did 3.7 last night

[vestal ibex]

I mean it wasn't a good run but why could I put up those numbers? Ouro.

[woeful swift]

and im missing about 11% chc and 30%chd between my gear and shd level

[vestal ibex]

So what people are gonna ask for content that challenges them while using it and what? If you don't have it your sol?

[stiff orbit]

I just don’t think oreo needs to be on the same level as other weapons. Regulus is an exotic behind a raid that takes multiple runs. It is clearly better than other exotics and high end weapons. And there’s no issue with that because of what it takes to get the weapon.

[woeful swift]

there’s a difference between better than other exotics and blatantly overpowered

[vestal ibex]

It also takes skill to use it effectively.

[stiff orbit]

the incursion is the “hardest” mission in the game. What type of weapon do you expect?

[woeful swift]

… one that isn’t blatantly overpowered

[stiff orbit]

like sure, balance it for pvp

but i wanna melt mfs with my weapon that took me over 2 days to complete my first run

[flint wave]

I hate how regulus is like the only good pistol

And its locked behind raid bs

[stiff orbit]

why????

have you never played a mmorpg outside of division?

weapons have different levels to them

some weapons are just that much better because of what it takes to get them

i think you guys are looking at it from the wrong angle

[flint wave]

Regulus is the only good pistol

Every other pistol is pretty ass

Hate that

[hazy valve]

Not really but ok lol

[stiff orbit]

this is a shooter game either rpg aspects. and clearly not. D50, kard custom, prophet is even worth using. It’s about how you use the weapon. Saying it’s the only “good” weapon because it one shots bosses is like saying why use a m4 when you have a mini gun

[flint wave]

You are out of the loop with prophet, it's talent is trash now

[stiff orbit]

why even compare it?

[flint wave]

kard custom? More like second revive hive charge

[stiff orbit]

you took one part of my argument and made it my entire point

[flint wave]

???

[stiff orbit]

no weapon in this game is unuseable

[flint wave]

is the prophet not bad to you or what

[stiff orbit]

it’s a gun

[flint wave]

therefore it's a good gun

There's a difference between good and viable

[stiff orbit]

dude, stop it. You’re arguing like a redditor

[vestal ibex]

Hardest mission... HA

[stiff orbit]

note the quotations

[flint wave]

A gun with less then half the base damage of regulus and a non functioning talent

[stiff orbit]

dude, it’s a weapon that drops from every enemy in the game. you want to to compete with a weapon that you only get after multiple runs of a raid???

do you even hear how that sounds?

[onyx sage]

when zoo

[flint wave]

I want it not to be the only option when it comes to its entire weapon class lol

[vestal ibex]

I guess the question would be do you think this should be a one gun game? Like why use anything else?

[flint wave]

are you gonna deny the fact 99% of pistols on their own are bad

[stiff orbit]

it’s not the only option, you just don’t want to use another weapon

[flint wave]

I mained d50 for a decent amount of time lol

[vestal ibex]

What about when people start to say we want DPS ouro only cause others are too slow?

[flint wave]

Used determined on it and everything

[stiff orbit]

i’m not going to say that because it’s not true. If it does enough dmg to kill without dying in the process it’s a viable weapon.

[flint wave]

and?

[stiff orbit]

then run with a different group??

no one’s forcing you to use a weapon

[blissful rampart]

everything is viable BUT not everything is good

[flint wave]

Ninjabike backpack is viable

[stiff orbit]

that being my point

[flint wave]

imperial dynasty is viable

[blissful rampart]

the only good pistols at end game are Regulus, D50 and Kard custom. all others suck in comparison .

[stiff orbit]

yes

[flint wave]

sweet dreams is viable

I don't care they suck

[stiff orbit]

yes

then use something else and stop comparing

[blissful rampart]

it very much is BUT its not good (viable and good are 2 different things)

[stiff orbit]

you complain like everything should be regulus

[flint wave]

I would never use them if I was sane and not meming

[stiff orbit]

you only call it memeing because you care what others have to say about what you run. If what you run works regardless of what others say, does it matter?

sure a weapon may do less dmg, but that what happens when you play a rpg style game

not every weapon is going to be the best

use what you want, but just because something isnt like the best weapon in the game doesn’t mean it’s not viable and sucks

[flint wave]

????

I said they aren't good lol

[stiff orbit]

your whole point has been “it’s not regulus”

[flint wave]

the pistols other then reg are not good

[stiff orbit]

you’re taking lebron james and saying that every other nba player sucks because they aren’t lebron

[flint wave]

lol sure

[stiff orbit]

go look at your own words

[flint wave]

And you completely missed my point

[stiff orbit]

no, i didn’t

i read the words you typed. If i missed the point it was your own fault

[vestal ibex]

Actually what is both of your points anymore?

[stiff orbit]

not every weapon needs to be regulus

that’s my point

[vestal ibex]

Did you mean not?

[flint wave]

and one weapon shouldn't be the only strong option within its entire weapon class

[stiff orbit]

yeah, big fingers, small phone

[vestal ibex]

All good just looking to clarify.

[stiff orbit]

what do you expect from a rpg?

[flint wave]

Is that how you justify imbalance

[slate wedge]

depends on the purpose

kard custom is great for the skill tier

liberty is great for tank builds

d50 is great for a determined HH build

[tawdry flare]

Regulus is strong but requires talent Ouro doesn't

[vestal ibex]

I mean it's any auto weapon class tho.

[stiff orbit]

dude, what type of game do you think you’re playing? i never said i support imbalance so please do act as if i did.

[vestal ibex]

So how do you balance difficulty around the new ouro? Do things get harder to the point where you need it or you just keep it the same and cheese with one weapon?

[stiff orbit]

the whole reason people stopped playing d1 in the first week was because it was more like a rpg than a looter shooter. RPG type games have different classes of dmg and skill.

[flint wave]

I used d50 for a decent amount of time and it's not worth it outside of like specific 1 man heroic content and I don't consider a pistol being used for +1 revive hive charge to be a good pistol

[tawdry flare]

Just reduce fire rate a bit to base of 1280

[stiff orbit]

if i beat the dragon and get a dragon sword, i don’t want my dragon sword to be weaker than the one i got from a goblin

[woeful swift]

nobody is saying to nerf it into the ground dude

[stiff orbit]

when did i say nerf it?

[slate wedge]

it will also give better shield health on a tank build, it can do some cool things when used

d50 is kinda OP with reanimated

[tawdry flare]

1280 base rpm is not gonna nerf it to ground

[flint wave]

I'm aware of d50 on reanimated

definitely op

but so is golden bullet and every weapon

[slate wedge]

regulus just needs a nerf, thats it

[tawdry flare]

You are pointing out something for once in 4 month event so It doesn't count

[slate wedge]

no pistol profits from reanimated as much as d50 does tho

[vestal ibex]

That is some argument fallacy bs lol. Sure lets just have aimbots and f it lets make div 2 a clicker game or something.

[stiff orbit]

i would take a lower rpm if the talent included something like hazard protection so that when you do get hit with a effect that it doesn’t make the aim impossible.

[woeful swift]

that’s exactly my point, making it better than other options is one thing, making jt strong enough to just dwarf literally anything else like it does rn is not okay

[stiff orbit]

how did you get that from my metaphor?

[slate wedge]

wrong, i never said the weapons were good for everything, i just said that for some uses they are BiC and not regulus

[slate wedge]

they should decrease the dmg but give it a proper talebt

[vestal ibex]

How can you not answer my question? Or do you just think we should power creep everything and people leave the game because it's laughably easy? (arguably already is)

[tawdry flare]

Regulus is even more op on reanimated your point for d50 against regulus fails cause it can't win except for 1-2 scenarios

Kard Kustom no doubt is a great utility gun

[woeful swift]

that might be the way to go. as long as it’s at least somewhat weaker than it is right now

[stiff orbit]

no, i just believe that weapons should have their own dmg class. A exotic is supposed to be typically better than high end. And an exotic you get from a raid should be better than one you get from a random drop.

Oro is strong because it come from a mission not everyone will complete in their game life.

[vestal ibex]

Better being 50% huh?

[slate wedge]

no aim scenario?

[flint wave]

Enemies that die from the explosion get revived, d50 is definitely stronger in that specific event

[stiff orbit]

i don’t see an issue with it being stronger than majority of weapons

[slate wedge]

wrong way

[tawdry flare]

That is a talent working not as intended

[stiff orbit]

just because oro is a thing doesn’t mean that other weapons can’t exist. Or even release weapons that aren’t as good

[slate wedge]

against BT and Outcast the D50 is disgunstingly amazing in reanimated

Hutchler even did a solo DUA only with it

[stiff orbit]

mind explaining what you mean by wrong way?

[vestal ibex]

I think some is okay but 50% come on back to reality.

[stiff orbit]

are you serious? give me a good solid reason outside of “power creep” that oro a weapon that has a 10% chance on first completion and a 1% chance from only 1 mission shouldn’t be better than a gun i get from a random drop.

[tawdry flare]

Ik roterblitz has also done that but the point is the event makes it op pull the even and than

It can't pop chunga helmet on legendary

And regulus can

[vestal ibex]

Dude I've gotten 4 of them you act like it's hard to get. I've gotten and given away soooo many raid exotics too. It's not rare or hard to get.

[tawdry flare]

I am not going to count once in a while event weapon while Ranking

Example firewall fire burner with gb it is op with eclipse

[slate wedge]

wrong way to balance a game

there should be wide variety of balanced weapons and exotic isn't really a higher rarity than high end-it but more of a category that has special weapons with unique talents, a unique appearance and a cool story around them

[stiff orbit]

you aren’t everyone though. I’ve gotten it as well. It’s a good weapon, but i’ll be honest. The people who aren’t on discord and take the game as seriously as we do aren’t getting the weapon. People in the thousands of shd still haven’t even completed the mission their first time yet.

[slate wedge]

you still don't get my point

[tawdry flare]

Which is?

[slate wedge]

their fault

[stiff orbit]

i don’t agree, and i don’t think it’s fair for you to think your way of balancing is the ultimate way of doing so.

[stiff orbit]

??? it was intended.

[vestal ibex]

The incursion is easy. I was gonna rank it below tidal basin lego but now I'd put it around DUA or under.

You can go do pubs in 15 minutes easy for it.

[slate wedge]

regulus isn't the only usable pistol

may it just be for reanimated or oneshots

d50 can be better for a special purpose

[slate wedge]

under DUA lego

[flint wave]

if only incursion was soloable like dua

[slate wedge]

way below

[stiff orbit]

to be frank, people in this discord has a skewed way of playing and thinking because they have the opportunity to understand the game better than majority of the player base. Shit even people in the discord that aren’t as active don’t have the same level of expertise. I only see a handful of you guys compared to the actual number of players there are.

You guys are typically better and have more time to play than most. I don’t think a game should be balanced to only consider the hardcore player base

[flint wave]

what

[tawdry flare]

You didn't get my point either like in terms of DMG regulus is dumb in terms of utility kard is dumb in terms of survivability liberty is dumb d50 is not dumb like those

[hazy valve]

Lol the game isn't rocket science 😂

[stiff orbit]

in what way did you get that from my point?

[woeful swift]

"you guys"

[stiff orbit]

what your reason for pulling up my messages?

[hazy valve]

Ur first sentence

[woeful swift]

"people in this discord"

[stiff orbit]

my first sentence says nothing about how “hard” the game is

[slate wedge]

well d50 is dumb in terms of being able to use a broken talent on the second hardest hitting pistol and being able to chainkill heroic enemies with any way to be stopped

[woeful swift]

that's you, my guy

[hazy valve]

This is hilarious lmao

[stiff orbit]

am i not a person in this discord??

i never excluded myself

[tawdry flare]

Go legendary 2 people

[stiff orbit]

you guys are looking for a argument i’m not making

[vestal ibex]

Oh I get it guys. He found the mission super hard and his effort must justify the weapons damage or something?

[flint wave]

kid named enemy without a head(alot)

[stiff orbit]

again, not my point.

[flint wave]

or you go higher then heroic 1 man

[woeful swift]

that is exactly your point what

[stiff orbit]

please don’t attempt to insult me simply because i have a different point of view

[hazy valve]

I'm not looking for an argument, I'm just mixing the pot so this doesn't end lol

[slate wedge]

why not go solo

[vestal ibex]

Yeah your point is that not every gun should be regulus. So it shouldn't be as strong as it is cause well regulus is a beast

[stiff orbit]

i tend to take games a bit more serious than the normal people who play, but that doesn’t mean that the way i play is the only way to play.

[tawdry flare]

Ok than it can't crack chunga helmet on solo legendary

I have tried both of them

[slate wedge]

take a shotgun with you

[tawdry flare]

Pistol comparison?

[stiff orbit]

i’m still not understanding your point, and again don’t take that as an insult. I’m just trying o understand your point better

[flint wave]

you didn't understand mine so

good luck with this man

[stiff orbit]

was i talking to you?

[woeful swift]

LMFAO

[slate wedge]

oh yeah i can do everything worse with that one weapon but atleast i don't have to switch one time to my backup while doing everything else better

[flint wave]

lol

It's a public channel you can chill

[stiff orbit]

atk, i’m not your enemy. Stop making it seem so

i’m just having a discussion

[slate wedge]

and before you talk again i know regulus is fumb OP but not in 100% of the case

[vestal ibex]

I never really made a point but based on yours the Ouro should be weaker and have a poor talent I guess. Regulus has high damage and a crazy talent.

[flint wave]

for sure

[woeful swift]

dude is absolutely malding because we don't want ouro to be 50% stronger than the second best dps weapon in the same category

[stiff orbit]

that was never my point and please to paint it to be so

[slate wedge]

not quute true

[tawdry flare]

ouro's talent feel balancedd when we see the crazy dps on it

[livid horizon]

I want strained on my Oreo

[stiff orbit]

my honest belief is that i believe oro should be worth your time. And if that means the talent gets reworked and lowers the rpm then i support it. I just don’t think it needs to be nerfed so much that you sit and think that a weapon that drops from a random enemy is better.

That’s my only point. I don’t think oreo should be so much better that is makes other weapon obsolete.

[livid horizon]

exotics should all be there or there abouts in terms of meta

[tawdry flare]

i would like optimist

[slate wedge]

ok you got a point there but i think everybody agrees that its form now is unbalanced

[stiff orbit]

meta should only be accounted for when it comes to player vs player. wait lemme restate that. I think it should be accounted for more heavily when it comes to player vs player.

[slate wedge]

i'd like fast hands

[hazy valve]

An exotic should feel like an exotic, doesn't have to be meta or not, it should feel different then using anything else in the game exclusively

[vestal ibex]

I don't think anyone here said nerf it to exo component, we all just agree 50% is WAY into OP territory. It's bad for game balance and diff.

[tawdry flare]

unwavering give or take

0.1s reload

[vestal ibex]

Good old holstered talents.

[slate wedge]

the reason people hate oreo atm is that it doesn't even have a unique talent that makes it OP, it is just a way better vector in every way

[slate wedge]

you gotta switch tho

[stiff orbit]

had to restate my statement. But yes i agree. A weapon so much better than everything else is bad for the health. But i don’t want it to become a situation where we can’t tell that it’s a hard weapon to get or worth the time to get

[tawdry flare]

Same with rifle class no good alternative to m1a

[slate wedge]

btw imagine if unwavering wasn't disabled from all weapons for 5s after swapping

[slate wedge]

where is it 50% better?

[tawdry flare]

Kill refresh the buff so maybe killing while inactive also does it ?

[slate wedge]

i want bullet hell

[stiff orbit]

i agree 100%, i’m in the camp of saying the talent needs to be better or better implemented. My suggestion was to add some level of hazard protection to the weapon talent.

[tawdry flare]

I want perfect frenzy

[stiff orbit]

maybe my name is giving the wrong impression

[slate wedge]

but the time in which you switch, kill and switch back is almost 5s anyways

wait.....

[stiff orbit]

okay, this should clear it up

[flint wave]

Personally, if the game is too easy. It really diminishes how fun it is and it looks like ouro is just power creeping the entire competition into division 3

It should definitely be accounted for

[vestal ibex]

Base DPS is a lil over 50% better compared to Famas.

[tawdry flare]

@blissful rampart does unwavering refreshes when you get kill cause afaik

[blissful rampart]

Math here FYI ^^

[slate wedge]

i would want it to have lower damage but for special ammo you get through the talent gets like 25% amp damage

[livid horizon]

When Golden Bullet comes around next the internet will die due to the RMP of all those Oreo's

[flint wave]

peak balance

[stiff orbit]

if that’s your argument then i can support it. I understand the fear that making a weapon that much stronger may give the wrong impression. But i still believe the weapon should be a strong weapon and worth the time to get. It’s not like we’re just running jefferson on heroic

[blissful rampart]

5 blue Oreo still out dps full red famas 🤣

[slate wedge]

oh yeah, ik about famas, some dude said 50% better than the second highest dps weapon in the same category

[flint wave]

Ouro is worth the time to get for the wrong reasons

[livid horizon]

I got my shooting range to display a 45m dps stat with it

[slate wedge]

i will make an umbra striker build just for the memes

[stiff orbit]

maybe better implementation for the mission it’s from?

i’m just super disappointed that the talent is almost never in play when i use it

[vestal ibex]

I think the fire rate is dope, just that BRRRRRR sound is great so only balance option is to shave off damage to keep that sound.

[stiff orbit]

i support that honestly

[woeful swift]

yeah it feels amazing, i think either chc/chd or weapon damage need to go

[flint wave]

Nah make ouro users have to play with ammo hoarders directive permanently

[stiff orbit]

but we don’t want it to be a glorified pee shooter

[vestal ibex]

I hate to suggest that, no one really would want that and we all know it. It's just ya know.

[flint wave]

Whenever it's in play

[woeful swift]

ah, yes. a pee shooter

[slate wedge]

you could make a striker build with DCG holster and regulus with an unwavering tac vector as the main weapon

everytime the buff runs out you swap to reg and kill an enemy, swap back to vector and continue

[vestal ibex]

Marshmellow gun rip

[flint wave]

now the fact it dumps ammo reserves in milliseconds is relevant

[stiff orbit]

oh, hold on

maybe lower the reload speed

the reload speed is nuts on it