td2-pvp-discussions

[summer kelp]

Must have missed that if I said that sorry was jsut joking between grown men no hate was meant

[lofty portal]

guys gimme the most meta builds for DZ and onflict

need something to farm again

[summer kelp]

Pulse res umbra cap gun or pesti..? LOl its 3 umbra ninja and 2 yawl. (umbra chest) its deff the starter pack, the vet, and try hard build

[lofty portal]

already got that, not that big of a fan tbh

[summer kelp]

me to me to lol I concur

umm your reggy build is more or less the new meta
umm yeah thats mostly what your gonna see in conflict mostly.

Oo you can farm out a crit high end build with he 2 new peaces
lit just like the old one minus the walker and finn and 2 named unit alloy

IDK how well that will do anymore but I still seee it in conflict

orrrr do you really want some some to farm out sys core, but you might have that already

[lofty portal]

i don't have headshot sysco sadly

but farming that is not at all fun

[craggy trench]

Farming is all the fun

[lofty portal]

but not for SysCo, can't even farm it through grinding

[craggy trench]

There's no way to farm caches from Danny is there?

[lofty portal]

he only has a limited amount you can buy

[craggy trench]

You can farm the 3 electrique build

But smgs kinda suck rn

[urban aurora]

When the next global event is up grind it and buy Legacy Season Caches

SysCor have high drop chances from those caches, much better than farming DZ or waiting for Weaver caches weekly

[lofty portal]

what's the highest burst smg rn?

[craggy trench]

Chatterbox

[lofty portal]

but only with stacks, aside from that just ouro?

[summer kelp]

they say the converted smg 9 is best in slot (high end)

and I mean IDK about yall be named MPX the Apt. jsut MMMMMMMM PM for the love and win LOL

[craggy trench]

stat wise tac vector

but mag dmg is too low imo, so smg-9

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwVgtAzAnG4ExgQRjsMAGDXM+9gXCDAhImVAOx643WHGRkkAc1bt6+wSYSapPDu3b4KpYADZGg4UJpdWJMnNkE4UNGiQRS8TMFJQ5+FaZOrjnUwWs4gA

[mossy solstice]

Kinda? 😂

[summer kelp]

i might have to redo my hunter PVP build lol dont sleep on HF

[craggy trench]

HF is mid af in pvp

No catharsis is a huge L and it's 5% less dps than running the standard high end. 10% less than running 3 electrique

[summer kelp]

oo its not the bst by any means but in the right ahnds it will do work its fun to troll

[craggy trench]

I mean yea, anything can work in PvP it's skill dependant. There's hundreds of videos of players using all purple gear and getting manhunts

[golden ermine]

Just fought the worst lagswitchers in the game i stg

Also I wanna try to do that all purple build in the dz at some point

Too lazy to farm

[craggy trench]

Rule 12

[summer kelp]

fudge my bad forgot

[wet badger]

It probably means what u think it does, a harmless word

[amber ice]

How did I know you of all people would be the one to say that.

[wet badger]

My dad used to use it to describe people as a little odd

[golden ermine]

Wut happened

[amber ice]

#rules

[mossy solstice]

I mean, a good synonym would've been "weird"

[amber ice]

Definitely less charged.

[mossy solstice]

For me the way I read it was "people either like them or they don't". I can 1000% see how someone might think it has a negative connotation to it tho

[wet badger]

Yeah ngl, I didn't know there was that other meaning, only the 'oddball' reference. No bad intentions, context should clarify that.

[half compass]

Its becasue you have to buy the event pass, doesnt matter if you own the game

[modern gull]

i think for intim variant i'll go with this
might not get as much regen as 2 pc golan with emp guard but the higher armor makes ad rush give alot of bonus armor

[craggy trench]

Overall it's less survivability, but it will have more consistent intimidate

[modern gull]

ye

[iron flame]

Any suggestions to someone joining conflict first time?

[craggy trench]

Umbra capacitor

[iron flame]

I meant what to do and not to do

[half compass]

Conflict is usually filled with idiots and cheaters, just play normally

[mossy solstice]

Keyword in this statement is "was"

The new DZ pvp experience is:

1.) show up
2.) it's dead
3.) somebody else arrives
4.) pvp starts
5.) barely 10 minutes go by
6.) you're getting blasted by cheaters
7.) leave DZ out of annoyance
8.) repeat 1-7 each time you enter the DZ

Farming DZ is still fun tho 💯

[amber ice]

@meager swift Let's avoid using that word like that from now on, thanks.

[meager swift]

@amber ice👍

[chrome dust]

Whats a good pvp build just so i can defend my self in DZ

[craggy trench]

#td2-build-advice message

I linked it in the other channel for you
#td2-pvp-discussions message

[chrome dust]

Oh ok sry

@craggy trench where does the pistol and the shotgun drop

[craggy trench]

Lefty is in general loot, can only get quickstep from huntsman bounty and someone has to give it to you

[chrome dust]

Oh shit

Ok time to find someone with huntsman bountys

[iron flame]

What is the reason we use m870 in ninja backpack builds?

[half compass]

Can you post an example of such build

[iron flame]

Build Component Description
Weapon Slot #1 Capacitor
Weapon Slot #2 M870 Shotgun with "Flatline" talent & Linked Laser Pointer
Specialization Technician
Mask Blue Core Brazos with Crit Chance & Crit Damage
Backpack NinjaBike Messenger Backpack
Chest Red Core Fenris, Ceska, or Grupo with Crit Chance & Crit Damage & "Unbreakable" talent
Gloves Blue Core Walker Harris with Crit Chance & Crit Damage
Holster Blue Core Picaro's Holster with Crit Chance or Crit Damage
Kneepads Blue Core Ceska or Providence with Crit Chance & Crit Damage
Gear Mods Crit Chance | Crit Damage
Skills Decoy | Stinger Hive | Explosive Seeker Mine

they also posted an umbra build which i am trying to gather

[lofty portal]

https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/new

@iron flame use this website

[modern gull]

hmm for umbra capacitor, is the new unit alloy pieces better?
or is it better to stick with picaro's and walker harris like this?

[modern gull]

or is it better to run one unit alloy piece and an something else like walker harris/picaro's

[lofty portal]

i’d say if you go for 6 skill tiers then definitely picaro’s + UA because the 20% WD are even stronger there

for the normal 3 skill tiers build it’s probably closer and up to your preference since you got more burst dps with Picaro’s + UA but more mag damage with Picaro’s + WH

i’d still prefer the one with UA tho

[modern gull]

ohh the one with 2 unit alloy has only 2 skill tiers

is that an issue or

[lofty portal]

yeah i wouldn’t go for 2 UA because the 50% mag size won’t really be too helpful, you don’t gain any burst dps from this

[lofty portal]

if you really don’t care at all about the skill tiers then go for WH+ Salvo

[modern gull]

and if so then picaro’s + UA

[lofty portal]

exactly, the 20% WD from UA also get’s stronger the more red or blue cores you have

[half compass]

It’s really just a placeholder type of thing, your main weapon will be the capacitor and your secondary shouldnt get too much use. For builds I run elkims or nemesis in the second slot whilst others run shotgun. It’s all just preference

[craggy trench]

I agree

[craggy trench]

Honestly a mid build

[iron flame]

Yes trying to finish the umbra build

[modern gull]

oh and if you're going for WH + Salvo on umbra capacitor do you switch the specialization to firewall instead of technician

or what for using UA on umbra cap?

i guess i'm just curious if UA replaces the old umbra cap builds and what they look like now

[iron flame]

I am struggling with strafing. I watched like 10 videos all of them say different things. I got the settings part button configuration all good but consistent execution not there? Is there a way you guys recommend?

[golden ermine]

Controller or keyboard?

[iron flame]

Controller

Running at backpedal

[mossy solstice]

Controller movement on division is honestly really shit. When I was able to play KBM I loved it. Now I'm stuck on controller and finding myself easily outclassed against keyboard and mouse players

The aiming is really smooth but then again when guns have zero recoil to begin with, everything feels smooth

[iron flame]

My issue right stick movement does not feel natural. I feel like it has to be automatic, smooth but nope

Pushing both stick in opposite directions and then reversing it feels counterintuitive

[golden ermine]

Pretty decent when you get use to it

[mossy solstice]

For me the issue mainly lies with the fact that almost all of the PC community is on KBM (damn, wow, SHOCKER I know). They can strafe at much much quicker speeds. I have noticed cut strafing on controller is super overpowered if you use it correctly in close quarters fights. Then again, with KBM vs Controller on PC, face trading while strafing side to side, PC has it easiest while controller has to keep the aim drag on target. PC uses their whole arm yk? Way easier

At distance tho I've noticed that controller is pretty damn smooth for aiming. It's the micro inputs and my sensitivity is dialed in for perfect snaps

[iron flame]

I have pc but use controller knowing kmb is better. Moved with dark souls years back

[modern gull]

almost done with optimizing this

[mossy solstice]

Only to use it once and never touch it again

[modern gull]

true

[lofty portal]

but why, i mean you get a skill tier and 7.5% WD for capacitor and you don’t really wanna kit push anyways with that builld

[craggy trench]

Keep technician

[chrome dust]

Where can you get the big horn and the other mp forgot the name

[amber ice]

@chrome dust Bighorn is exclusive to Legendary Difficulty Named Enemies, so anywhere they are, it can drop.
The exotic gun on the left is the "Capacitor", and just requires you to complete any 5 Challenges within Summit, which can be done on any difficulty.

[chrome dust]

Oh cool thanks

[modern gull]

gotcha

so if i’m running umbra cap go picaro’s + UA or salvo + walker harris

assuming not running a 6 skill tier setup

which then asks what core allocation should i go for

[craggy trench]

It's personal preference for umbra

It's super versatile, there's 6 yellow, 6 red or 6 blue setups and mixes

It just depends what you want from the set

[modern gull]

damn well shit i dunno
i know the og build uses picaro's + WH and that's what i'm currently using
i was more curious if UA replaces either picaro's or WH

[lofty portal]

although i'd say if you go 4 skill tiers just go 6

cause skill buffs on tier 6 are great

[craggy trench]

Yea true

[modern gull]

yeah i'm thinking either 3 skill tiers or 6

[iron flame]

is capacitor better than something like lexington with 3 skills?

[mossy solstice]

UA replaces Walker for more Burst. Keep walker for more Mag damage

[mossy solstice]

Easily because it scales damage off of tiers + weapon damage cores + it's the only AR with DTA/DTTOC on it

both of those damage pools are very good to build for. Considering Walker with Ninja is a very solid choice same with picaros

[craggy trench]

Capacitor has solid weapon mods too, 10% chc and 30% chd

[iron flame]

Did anyone get a second capacitor from caches or anywhere else i am curious

[urban aurora]

Once you unlocked it it's in your general loot pool and can drop repeatedly

[iron flame]

Yes but I don't think probabilities in general pool is equal for all exotics

[iron flame]

finally built and tested this umbra build and it is much much better than mine. Those stacks are very nice and actually inline with my playstyle. Thank you !!!

[craggy trench]

Yea it is, sometimes it doesn't seem like it though

During past events I opened like 6 catharsis in a row. Yet some players can't get one

[summer kelp]

I mean if i was making only 1 PVP build it would be pulse res umbra but yea that umbra is bees knees

[mossy solstice]

I've got an umbra build that's 80% hazpro. If pulse immune is needed just swap to 2nd piece Yaahl

(ninja + umbra + Yaahl + ceska. Invest in hazpro on umbra pieces bc umbra has stackable CHD anyways)

It's not the "most broken" setup and it doesn't do "the most damage" but it's helpful against status abusers without sacrificing all damage

[summer kelp]

I lazy I went ninja crap, 2 yawl 3umbra hahahahahahah like cooking with jack LOL (if you know you know LOL)

[broken skiff]

what other ar would yall recommend, i find the eagle bearer in pvp lacking

[half compass]

Lexington, Eagle bearer isn’t very good anymore

[terse temple]

Is st elmos engine still good

[lofty portal]

not really, can use it as a backup weapon to have shock ammo ready but it just gets heavily outdamaged

[craggy trench]

Run ceska or walker knees

Tbh capacitor would be good on that build as well if you don't want to run Lex

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YkM7_Vt38DXvQWk5lY2cKdF6Vjqo3fWOtAmEcCGNfG0/edit?usp=drivesdk

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iCj-NI4arjLTseIIMW42NB5vQHkLNSKXE-WzS6gQ080/edit?usp=drivesdk

Not sure if these are accurate I made them awhile ago. But you'll see capacitor is pretty competitive compared to Lex

[golden ermine]

Id use capacitor over lex usually unless I want an exotic spot for the nemesis

[craggy trench]

Your autonemesis?

[modern gull]

https://staging.buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/aSeZnJO4

this is what i use for ar nemesis backup
i think i took it from the builds doc

[half compass]

Is there any good capacitor high end, I only see it in umbra and skills

[summer kelp]

from what I see no the only good hybrid skill'dps worth running is umbra

[golden ermine]

Just the normal nemesis 😭

[craggy trench]

Yea I'll send one later

[craggy trench]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwVgtMYMwWCMYAMSXLajiBcJzoZHFOibKWjuJDJNQByaPlZQBssNTXzA7DACztO5bphb8OZUSIrAoATjAT5DOLnggeG9mobMZ0rAeNZ+4sKwk8ErRcxg3uQA

there might be some better brands to slot in, ill be happy to test other versions too. i compared against dropping yaahl for grupo or ceska but yaahl is better. could go fenris for the reload speed. 10% haz isnt going to do much

@half compass

i went with ninja mainly for the skill tiers. ST3 can jam any skills+ defender is at 23.5% dmg reduction in pvp (expertise 28)

[modern gull]

or this

[craggy trench]

either one works. tbh

[modern gull]

neither are strictly better or worse?

[craggy trench]

Exactly

[iron flame]

any status build recommendations?

[summer kelp]

there is a build liberty IDK where it is in here I bet someone will speak up

caseu IDK status builds sorry

[half compass]

Are you meaning to run 6 blues on this?

[tawdry pier]

cores are flexible imo but if you gila on knees id try to be as close to 6 as possible

its also 60 rounds so clearly you wanna facetrade

unfortunately i think a facetrade with that vs a bighorn isnt gonna work

[golden ermine]

Nothing can facetrade a BH

[tawdry pier]

a reg shield could but with enough desync they can just strafe the shield

i believe on around 100-120ms you could go around their shield and shoot and on their screen you'd still be in front of it

[lofty portal]

6 Blue Reg Inti can easily facetrade, just need to hit your shots

[half compass]

Yeah, thats what i do, im usually on 160ms and im shooting them from behind while i am infront of them on their screen

[summer kelp]

tis a trick fighting big horns, only shoot them on reload big horn can only stack if it hit you so dance till he has reload then beam his face

make your head very hard to hit

[golden ermine]

If you can dance so much he misses an entire clip......

[summer kelp]

mag* and yes you can out dance a 40-45 round mag ez

[half compass]

Not when they have hands that can move a mouse

[golden ermine]

Did

You just correct me for saying clip

[tawdry pier]

bro got moistcritical'd

im so sorry for your loss

[golden ermine]

^

[amber ice]

Is that like where they correct you by having your footage playing in the background, and not actually watching it?

[summer kelp]

LOL no im a IRL gun guy, a clip is a metal strip to either a reload a M1 ect or to speed load box mags sorry, is I was being moistcrit id tell you a clip is a 60 sec vid.

dont get me started on is it a wheel or a rim on a car.

[summer kelp]

I didnt say it was gonna be easy its a skill you need to learn

[craggy trench]

It's just what I had in stash

[golden ermine]

What we were saying is you cant outstrafe a whole mag on a good player. If you are doing that, the other player is horrid.

[mossy solstice]

We like those types of players. Makes for very relaxing lobbies

[chrome dust]

Does anyone know a good pvp build

[summer kelp]

Well I don’t seem to have that problem. But kool.

[golden ermine]

The second part of my statement

[summer kelp]

i mean you cant dodge aim bot but even the best players cant track a head dacing around 100%

[chrome dust]

What should be the stats for this build

[summer kelp]

idk for hybrid umbra, but id guess youd want close to 60 crit hit croissant. umbra give you CHD so idk spec into to skill dmg and chd should be ok but IDK im not hybrid guy and I fig by now someone whould have chimed in LOL

[chrome dust]

Yeah thats just a build someone recommended

But if someone else gives me a better pvp build

I would be happy because i dont really know the stats and everything

[lofty portal]

try that one but with one piece Unit Alloys imstead of Walker Harris, get Crit Chance close to 60% and then only go for Crit Damage from that

also don't go for decoy if you go for 6 skill tiers

use a sticky bomb or a stinger hive

[chrome dust]

Ok thanks

[summer kelp]

noo thats a good good build I jsut run mine all blue with a pesti lol im not much of a umbra player no more I main reggy haha

[chrome dust]

Really

Bro i just need to know the stats

[lofty portal]

what do you mean by stats?

[summer kelp]

i mean you got the build right there dog, you can play it anyway you want. all blue, all red, 4/2 2/4 (B/R) you can slap 2 yawl and a pulse res mod and be invisible berry berry steaky haha umm all red and be a minis to society hybrid/hybrd mortor is damn good umbra is the starter pack & the pro pack

[summer kelp]

like chc chd skill dmg status eff. ect

[chrome dust]

Yes because i am a returnt player last time i played like 2 years or some

[summer kelp]

I got you man!! I try to help as best as I can

[chrome dust]

Yeah thx

[lofty portal]

https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/pFooyLao

[summer kelp]

also what the heck was you doing with that squirt gun yesterday in conflict LOL

[lofty portal]

stats are the same for how many of each core you want

[lofty portal]

you were in my lobby lmao?

tried a tipping scales build, only really works in DZ tho

[chrome dust]

Ok good to know

[summer kelp]

bro you had us loling good in a game

[lofty portal]

we still won tho

[golden ermine]

Rate my regen

[summer kelp]

na we did it was a good match

[amber ice]

@alpine current No advertising.

[zealous sun]

What is the best gun for pvp?

[golden ermine]

Bh for headshots

Capacitor for hybrids and generally

Lexington for highend ars

Depends on builds, a few more work also

[mossy solstice]

Crit nemesis hits too and so does Regulus

[modern gull]

i'm using lexi and nemesis a lot

or at least trying to

here's what i'm using

[cunning jackal]

is the overlord shotgun good in conflict?

[golden ermine]

As a standalone no

Decent on a support ig tho

[mossy solstice]

It's not fantastic as a completely solo build. However, it is a REALLY good counter to strafe spammers and runners

They may be hazpro and running off of red bull and Adderall, but they aren't immune to Overlord movement debuff

[cunning jackal]

so would you say overloard or chatterbox?

im at60 crt chance and 230 crt dmg on chatterbox

[mossy solstice]

For conflict? Neither

All you'll see in conflict is:

• Regen
• Umbra
• Skill Builds
• Regulus
• Some sorta sniper
• high end DPS

Matchmake a good 20 games and I promise you all 20 of those games will have at least 2-3 of those builds I listed every game

[summer kelp]

^ he is right

[tender crystal]

приветы

[mossy solstice]

Sup

[cunning jackal]

hey truck

do you by chance have a krampus bountie?

[urban aurora]

Try over in #lfg-pc and if you don't find anyone with one, join the GCRock discord where you will for sure find someone

[mossy solstice]

I've got a million. What's up?

[mossy solstice]

This is also solid advice

[cunning jackal]

was hoping texington could drop in there

[mossy solstice]

No, sadly

Give this season about a week or so, we will have stretch goals surely. It will show up soon

[urban aurora]

How did some ppl had their bounties wiped while others still have them? I don't get it, lol

[mossy solstice]

I mean, I'm pretty sure I have the bounties still. I had like 16 all saved up. I didn't bother to check if they wiped them

[urban aurora]

I lost the ones I still had roughly a couple weeks ago

[mossy solstice]

I'll double check and report back. You might be right

[urban aurora]

I know that some ppl occasionally still have theirs but I cannot make out a pattern; from what I know it's platform unrelated

[mossy solstice]

LMFAOOO still got them

[urban aurora]

Oh lol, my bad! I meant Houndsman bounties, I misread. Sorry
Krampus I still have.

[cunning jackal]

is there anything good you can get from krampus bounties

[urban aurora]

Ppl usually ask for Houndsman bounties, brain was on auto-pilot

[mossy solstice]

no. the winter keys tied to them no longer works

[summer kelp]

who needs it

i havve like 2 or 3 huntsmen left and tons of kranpys but they are useless

[haughty dagger]

Thinking about getting back into TD2. Is dark zone/pvp activities more active on console or PC?

[summer kelp]

i can say since BF6 and arc came out the dz became dead, conflict its mostly jsut the same people (on pc)

[craggy trench]

Console probably but it's hard to say. No data to back it up

[haughty dagger]

Will be a while before I get into any of that. Gonna restart my entire account. Haven't played in years. I stopped playing well before they even introduced the targeted loot systems

[cunning jackal]

how strong can bleed builds be?

[summer kelp]

dumb strong

[craggy trench]

Skill bleed? Super strong

Bleed from OD or things like that, pretty weak

[cunning jackal]

like rigdeways with bleedhive and built into crt and status

[amber ice]

@sinful gulch If you want to ask about a suspected cheater's build, you are going to have to blur out any names.

[sinful gulch]

alright sorry

[amber ice]

@sinful gulch You can just use the windows snipping tool and put a red stripe across the name or something.
then if you save that image > can upload that one.

[sinful gulch]

just need some insight on how this is one tapping 1.9 mill armour with 0 stacks up

[half compass]

It isn’t one tapping they might have switched to a different build when you were going to inspect or they are just cheating

[sinful gulch]

every time i died it was only this build

[amber ice]

@half compass I've told you before, keep it out of this server.

[ocean plume]

yeah, me and Koji were fighting this guy and he was one tapping like crazy. I managed to get behind him and when i did he immediately turned around and i was put down with one shot. It wasn't any panic either, it was one fluid motion.

[half compass]

only few builds can one shot 1.9 armour, this build cannot

It’s hard to even call this a build in the first place

[sinful gulch]

exactly wht im saying 0 max attributes shd watch 8 and one tapping a fully optimized build

[ocean plume]

also one of em had all armor cores, 1.6 million armor (and this might be possible) but had like 60% chc, 121% chd, and 155 hsd. Ive never seen it before, I have a full red build and it barely puts out that much, whatever he did was insane

[half compass]

Was it critical bighorn?

[sinful gulch]

bighorn with 2 attributes in chc and the rest in headshot

[craggy trench]

Just go full crit. Ridgeways is kinda bad rn though

[cunning jackal]

whats wrong with rideways rn?

[lofty portal]

i got a friend that makes it work really well on a Bighorn Striker build going for Headshots only

but then again he is an insanely good player so idk how well it works for average players

gotta add that it only really shines in Dark Zone Server fights as you only get the big regen numbers there

[craggy trench]

Yea you need to bleed a ton of players

It can work with BH but you need a lot of hazpro

You know what the build is?

[ocean plume]

yeah it was bighorn but with his rolled attributes and cores it shouldn’t have been possible. On top of that his big horn was shooting like a Lexington/EB 🤔

[lofty portal]

https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/joknSdeR

something like this i think

[lofty portal]

https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/rGVS6IXB

this one could be used for Conflict

[mossy solstice]

Using strikers is really good, the only problem is, you have to maintain those stacks. If you are doing a solo run with this build, you need to find a way to build those stacks up quickly so that way you can just shred the entire competition. You're also going to have to heavily play within the 10-second window that the everyday carry your chest plate works with for kit popping. For the solo player, I don't recommend any Striker bighorn build. I personally would rather just recommend the usual hazard protection headshot damage regen build

I wouldn't consider myself a really good player, but I also wouldn't consider myself a complete casual. It definitely takes some skill to use that build and you have to know situational awareness. For solos that's really hard. In group play though that build would probably destroy

I'm hoping this is for dark zone though and not for conflict. Striker bighorn and conflict is just pure booty cheeks

[lofty portal]

where did you get the Everyday Carrier from?

[lofty portal]

I posted one for DZ and one for Conflict

[mossy solstice]

Considering the fact that Striker will have zero regen, having everyday carrier for that kit pop is a major lifesaver. It's also a big crutch on that build too

[lofty portal]

check out the build please and check the message that i was replying to

[mossy solstice]

Oh. y'all talking about shitways pride

I'll take that as my queue to shut up now

[lofty portal]

hahaha all good

[mossy solstice]

Honestly tho it's not a bad idea. It's just a really bad build bc anybody can just yank out hazpro. Boom, build useless

God forbid somebody goes cavi or stim hive too

[lofty portal]

that’s true but that’s what you have other builds for

[mossy solstice]

Hazpro + HSD + Everyday carrier + Matador = yes

[summer kelp]

check DM I message you. Im tofu in your inbox.

[summer kelp]

Is it ok if I post a link that lets agents check other agens in PVP..?

[mossy solstice]

sadly its not allowed here. will have to private DM

according to the server rules here, youre not really allowed to track or "stalk" any sorta player. its not to say that speaking about cheater trackers is against the rules, its just not allowed to be posted here

[summer kelp]

GG bro Ill DM him the link

[urban aurora]

DM it to me too pls

[mossy solstice]

would be super helpful 🙏 keeps everyone outta trouble

[viral wedge]

What is everyone’s “Meta” builds for PVP I’ve been playing D2 for a while now and just done the scouts for the DZ, trying to get a good build going

[craggy trench]

#td2-pvp-discussions message

[lofty portal]

I saw a dude smash people in Conflict with a Bighorn High End Ninjabike Build

might be worth a try

[craggy trench]

I'm personally not a fan

Ad rush is too strong on BH

[iron flame]

Some guy killed me with this exact or very similar build today. We exchanged fore but he was hitting like a tank . I checked and his pvp damage was 65k

[iron flame]

is hollowman mask used in any build these days? looks like it is droppoing from warhounds and was wondering if it worths going after?

[tawdry pier]

health damage is worthless

sure health builds are kinda viable but not to the degree and popularity that your'd need to get dth

[lofty portal]

remember when Health scaled with SHD level?

[tawdry pier]

imagine if we got the brand buffs before they nerfed it

20m hp builds incoming

[lofty portal]

i mean cheaters were already unkillable with 500k levels but yeah would be conpletely nuts

i wonder if you could even kill them with a full lobby if they just have a HF build on and fight back

[golden ermine]

Good for meme builds

[modern gull]

not for pvp
i've seen it used for boss warhound on master difficulty other than that no one uses it

[modern gull]

in regards to umbra cap, ik that between wh and ua it's a difference of higher mag damage vs higher burst damage, but what about the core allocation? using 3 skill tiers

do you go 4 blues 3 reds or 3 blues 4 reds?

[half compass]

I like 1.3 mil armour. Enough damage to kill if you catch them off guard and strong enough to trade some shots

[modern gull]

so 3 blues 4 reds

[half compass]

Yeah that’s what I use

[modern gull]

with walker harris or unit alloy piece?

[half compass]

Picaros and alloy mainly, sometimes wh and alloy

[modern gull]

oh i'm thinking of running either picaros and wh or picaros and alloy

currently running picaros and wh with 4 blues and 3 reds

[half compass]

I think Picaros and alloy is better but I might be wrong

[modern gull]

picaros and wh is higher mag damage, picaros and ua is higher burst damage
i'm more just curious about core allocation using 3 skill tiers
6 skill tiers is obv, 6 yellows, 3 blues, and 1 red

[half compass]

Are you replacing reds with skill tiers?

[modern gull]

correct

[half compass]

What skills are you running with that

[modern gull]

sticky and drone probs

i don't run 6 tiers anymore but if i did i would run that

[half compass]

3 to 4 would be best I think

[modern gull]

ye i run 3 tiers now

3 tiers, 3 reds, 4 blues with picaros + wh
thinking about switching to picaros + ua with 3 tiers, 4 reds, 3 blues

[half compass]

It’s preference, I would personally run 3 blues but for you either or could work better for you

[modern gull]

ye

[half compass]

Just got to play with both and see

[modern gull]

really need to optimize my gear, get the attributes all maxxed

i run decoy and emp sticky but if i were to run 6 tiers i'd run def drone and fire sticky

i should honestly run 6 skill tiers again that was a fun time

[vale pollen]

heya just jumping back into the game after a very long hiatus, and Ive been trying my hand at conflict.

Question - is this game mode totally dead outside of certain hours? I usually get hosed in matches (that's fine I dont quite get it and I'm still learning) but ive noticed the same names for about 6 games now.

Is there any sort of ELO or MM in this game outside of just anyone available? Can I queue dodge? I waited an hour doing CPs and I still queued against the same folks.

[modern gull]

the pvp in this game just isn't super populated at the moment sadly, massive has sort of neglected it for the longest time

[vale pollen]

That's a shame I was really hoping I could fight people of similar skill or gear quality

[sonic bone]

Is this a good PvP loadout and any tips on improvements knees are just what I had that were convenient for CHC/CHD

[lofty portal]

Not really good at all

Heartbreaker can be used in Dark Zone but only in very niche situations

[craggy trench]

Ceska knees

[modern gull]

ceska knees and catharsis mask

with 6 blues

[sonic bone]

So should I re rol my catharsis to have a chd/chc attribute? I’ve got one that’s all blue atm I think

Also cheers guys appreciate the tips 😁

[modern gull]

catharsis has fixed attributes you can only change the mods

[sonic bone]

Oh yeah Ofc my bad ahah I’m half asleep now 🤣

[modern gull]

@sonic bone

[sonic bone]

Appreciate that dude 🙏🏻

[modern gull]

here are the weapons i use
forgot to change talent on stack broker/acs to brazen

[sonic bone]

I want eagle bearer so bad 🥲

[modern gull]

can use lexington or other high end ars in the meantime

st elmo’s is fine but others are better for this, eagle or capacitor is best for exotic ars

now that i think about it you could probably run capacitor and get better damage

you just have to remove a chd mod for chc

[sonic bone]

I’ll definitely look into that I think I’ve got a Lexington and or capacitor I’ll check tomorrow but appreciate your help 🫡

[summer kelp]

if thats your only pvp build you might want a 2nd. HB or any pulse for dmg build hits hard but super ez to counter

[modern gull]

why would this be my only pvp build

[summer kelp]

I was mostly tagging the build so the new guy knows need more then that

[half compass]

Bighorn is a very good option aswell

[modern gull]

yeah could go for a hsd setup with heartbreaker with bighorn

just run either hsd or hazpro

[sonic bone]

Another gun in desperado for I’m quite happy now I’ve finally got a quickstep 😂

[modern gull]

bighorn is very strong for pvp probably the best

[craggy trench]

Definitely the best AR for PvP

[lofty portal]

Capacitor i’d put on the same stage

just different purpose

[modern gull]

capacitor for crits, bighorn for hsd

[craggy trench]

Or BH for hsd, and BH for crit

[modern gull]

what would a crit bh even look like lol

[craggy trench]

Umbra

[modern gull]

true, actually
umbra ninja or something else

or what would umbra bh even look like?

[modern gull]

@craggy trench?

[summer kelp]

chc and hsd.

[craggy trench]

I don't run it, other players probably know better

[vocal shore]

Anyone has some EB build for dz? I love the gun

[craggy trench]

Hsd Striker intimidate unit chest for with matador or A High end build

[abstract vault]

anyone looking for emperors guard w/headshot i can be killed for it

[mossy solstice]

Umbra bighorn is your standard braindead ninja umbra build but everything is dumped into reaching that 60% CHC cap and obviously umbra will carry you to CHD

[modern gull]

hsd striker intim sounds fun
would something like this work then? 70 hazpro as well

[lofty portal]

not worth it to go for HazProt tbh

[modern gull]

oh damn, just full hsd?

[lofty portal]

yeah, if you go for Bighorn you could probably get away with HazProt since Bighorn generates 150% HsD just through the talent

[modern gull]

oh i know about bighorn striker

[golden ermine]

That build is nasty tbh

I got rid of it for haz heartbreaker tho

[modern gull]

bighorn striker is fun

[craggy trench]

Yea that one is nasty with HB back too, then you can run catharsis

[half compass]

If you have the right server EB strikers with memento and obliterate/efficient can be extremely good

[craggy trench]

Tbh I think that's a bad take

It's essentially saying "when you fight bad players x build is really good" which is the PvP equivalent of "well it works well on heroic" for PvE

[half compass]

Not necessarily saying its good when you fight bad players but in certain circumstances the build performs well such as safehouse pvp. The build doesnt have to be good all around if it is built around niche scenarios

[craggy trench]

Yea that makes sense!

[half compass]

Outside of these situations the build is poor and yolu are much better off using something else

[wet wren]

Where I find PvP that loads quick instead of conflict

[urban aurora]

There is only Conflict and DZ

[wet wren]

Ok

[mossy solstice]

COD is quick pvp but the issue is that's a completely different game

[kindred briar]

Bighorn regen vs Umbra Iron lung, any reason to use one above the other

[lofty portal]

Completely different use cases, one is a build that wants to fight for a long time and slowly but surely get the opponent down in short-range fights, the other one is a burst build made for fast mid-distance gunfights.

[kindred briar]

Okay makes sense

[vocal shore]

any change that would make that better ?

[craggy trench]

Headshot or crit?

[vocal shore]

crit

[craggy trench]

Drop Fox+con+pic for salvo, 1 unit, ceska

[vocal shore]

ceska ? im already cap crit

[craggy trench]

Because you have chc mods

[vocal shore]

whats 1 unit ?

[modern gull]

unit alloy, new brand set

[vocal shore]

gotcha thanks

[iron flame]

Any good regen build suggestions?

[mossy solstice]

https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/sdlXdGw9

the only build id recommend for regen

[modern gull]

goated build

[mossy solstice]

Also unbalanced

[modern gull]

i find umbra to be more bullshit at times but yeah, very unbalanced

[mossy solstice]

What better combo than bighorn and umbra? Delete bodies, absolutely wipe on heads

[modern gull]

true

[modern gull]

on that note, what about this for umbra bighorn?

[mossy solstice]

Looks dead on for it

I'd use salvo tho

[modern gull]

gotcha

55 chc 93 chd, though that goes up to 213 chd with umbra so

are the cores looking good?

[summer kelp]

dont forget if your going conflict its up to minus 10 chc and chd well heck its minus your watch dont forget but it looks damn good

[modern gull]

i'm aware ye

[summer kelp]

cores are up to you bro I do (blue/red) 4-2 2-4 6-0 0-6

well that 0b-6r got scrapped Im not a all red pusher LOL. I like 2-4 aand 4-2

[modern gull]

well cores are a bit funky because nb

but i think either 3-4 or 4-3 should be fine

[summer kelp]

na its just a bonus hahah

the yellow is just a 1/2 red core for you on this build

[summer kelp]

yeah youll be fine haha 3b is so weird to me but I understand with the NJB it can be a bit wonkie haha]

[modern gull]

i usually like having more blues than reds though, but this is a burst setup so more reds is goated

[summer kelp]

true.

[iron flame]

i have seen some people use firewall spec in dark zone, is that for the flamethrower or there is something else?

[craggy trench]

Firewall medkit- Extracellular Matrix Mesh

That and the firewall shield is good for pop shotting

[iron flame]

what is pop shotting?

[lofty portal]

a technique on shotgun builds where you take out the shield, instantly shoot and then lose the shield right after, gives you the bonus damage and a bit if protection without the shield getting destroyed and disorienting you

[summer kelp]

Fire wall med kit plus edc is god like mode

But edc and the cross bow is key to good team work you heal 75% chance not to lose the kit and your team gets heals too

[mossy solstice]

Until homie with max bighorn stacks knows you're running a shield

He definitely won't be aiming for the body like shotgun bro is

[tawdry pier]

And with enough desync when unequipping shield it can have a split second where it's invulnerable and still hides body/tanks damage

[summer kelp]

yeah i didnt wanna say anything but that 1/4 shield in PVP scream IDK what Im doing. Like if i see you pop a 1/4 shield im just gonna aim above it and well....

[summer kelp]

yeah for NPC not player, a good pvp player see you pop a 1/4 shield your face is about to get beamed

[mossy solstice]

I'd just hit you with an EMP sticky and you're now staggered defenseless and shield don't work lmfao

Also, foam would end them quickly too as they're all crit and no hazpro

[summer kelp]

Yupppp. You know the trick baby

[mossy solstice]

💯

[wet wren]

Aye is everyone playing conflict now since stretch goals out

[summer kelp]

idk if new people are gonna show up but I can tell you its really just the same heads every day DZ is dead (on pc) due to BF6 and ARC

[wet wren]

Dam

I guess it gonna be hard grind stretch goals then

[summer kelp]

but yes the last few strech goals did bring new heads into conflict but I cant conferm they stuck around haha

[amber ice]

Not really, the Priority Strongholds on chall/heroic are still a very good way, plus the manhunt/journey stuff first.
(obligatory: have your seasonal modifiers active to get an extra 10%)

[wet wren]

I don’t see strong holds I am lvl 19

[amber ice]

Then you can't access Stretch Goals, so don't worry about it.

[summer kelp]

naa, well you get 50 for text creds, conflict win or lose you get lvls big time. but pro tip. me and my crew save the manhunt and getting the modfiers unlocked till today so we can get all the seasson XP for the sweet sweet spicy strech boxes.

[amber ice]

You need to be Season Pass Lvl 100, which you need to be Lvl 40 to access.

Lvl 19 = no stretch.

[wet wren]

But Lexington

[amber ice]

You've got 2 weeks to get to Lvl 40 in that case.

[wet wren]

Dam

My season pass lvl 26 tho

[amber ice]

Lvl 40 is required to start it, so unless you have another character at Lvl 40, no it isn't.
unless they just changed it this season, which i doubt.

[wet wren]

Am new hahahah this is first character

[summer kelp]

oo damn better start grinding if you can stomach conflict I say do it its gonna be the fast fast

[wet wren]

Well conflict has been taking forever ever I think I’m just gonna grind my main mission is that good way to

[summer kelp]

there you go i am 4 stacked in conflict so its really fast fo rme

[wet wren]

Ok

[wet wren]

Lucky bro

[summer kelp]

i linked up with one the top conflict teams on pc becasue of my stream and they taguht i was asin na jsut a stoner mexican LOL

[wet wren]

Strong hold in matchmaker if I’m correct?

[summer kelp]

turned out we were all stoners LOL

[lofty portal]

i would not really play Conflict at such a low level to be honest

[wet wren]

Any advice to gain season pass then at low lvl

Don’t got stronghold yet

[summer kelp]

why shd/watch is not in conflict all you need is a umbra build super easy to build

get them in early so they can learn kinda like learing to swim tosss them in the deeep end if they make it good if not... well..... darwin LOL

[wet wren]

Is umbra a gun

[tawdry pier]

its a gearset

the crow logo

[summer kelp]

Build its good buiild for pvp

[wet wren]

Ok

[summer kelp]

ill snap a photo for you stand by

[wet wren]

I’m kinda looking for pve build since no one does not do PvP in division 2

[summer kelp]

oo this is not for you

[summer kelp]

conflict is popping

[wet wren]

Don’t got those gun lol

[summer kelp]

its ok that buidl if you wantt o jsut pve is not for you

ill post a pve striker build in the pve build area

[wet wren]

Ok

[wet wren]

I don’t see build area

[summer kelp]

yeahh you was right

[unique sky]

is pvp dead? was around 3 hours in dark zone and found one player

[modern gull]

what shd are you
also a lot of people are doing the mutiny master manhunt so maybe not a lot of pvp right now

[unique sky]

600

[modern gull]

ah most pvpers are 1001+

you won't be seeing many people at all until you reach that final bracket for dz

[unique sky]

but played 2 rounds conflict now and understand why nobody plays it 😄

[unique sky]

ahh didnt know shd matters there, thanks

[craggy trench]

Yea it's a bracket system. You can join 1k+ plus players to bypass it though

[unique sky]

is the average pvp experience in division2 that nearly every shot and skill kills you instant? built a pvp build with 5 blue cores and every nade one shots and you die like in 0.1seconds, 2 games straight same enemys. one even headglitched somehow so hard we couldnt even hit him. is this normal pvp?

[modern gull]

it can be if you're up against dps setups, the ttk in this game is much lower in comparison to d1

[summer kelp]

Dark zone on pc is mostly dead no matter the bracket. Lots and by lots I mean most dz guys went to bf6 and arc And the ones left went to conflict cause dz dead and when you do find people 80% they are hard cheaters

[summer kelp]

Huh. There’s lotta people that play it if there was no one you would never get a match

[summer kelp]

Well the armor region guys will brake net code and now that we have quick step the spaghetti coding just craps it self and yeah it’s kinda hard. But you prob fought a lag switcher it’s super popular now in conflict

[golden ermine]

Ive had times where it randomly applies the speedbuff while i have the bighorn out

🫡

[mossy solstice]

Fast af boi

[summer kelp]

yeahhhh it does that you get a sudden quick step boost on reg guns its silly

[modern gull]

@hasty elk saw that you needed help with making a pvp build for the dz, high end crit ar is kind of dead but here are two options you can run

you can also run everyday carrier over grupo chest if you want efficient, choice is yours

[hasty elk]

yea those look good ill give them a try when i hop on tmr appreciate you bro

[mossy solstice]

I would've went salvo and double dipped into the ROF. The double walker setup looks perfect tho

[modern gull]

i don't run high end ar anymore because it's eclipsed by other builds but double walker is fun if you want to run it

[modern gull]

bighorn umbra with walker and unit alloy however is genuinely absurd

265 hsd and 225 chd at fully optimized and full stacks

[mossy solstice]

Yeah it's incredibly broken

[modern gull]

i was using it today and the two people camping south entrance building were raging and called me a cheater

which is really funny

i'm kind of thinking about making it a 6 blue setup thanks to the sheer amount of chd and hsd you can get with it regardless, just for that extra bit of tanking

[craggy trench]

Unit>ceska but yea

Then ceska>grupo

[iron flame]

does increasing expertise of decoy do anything in pvp?

threat increase?

[modern gull]

not really

[craggy trench]

Nothing at all

[mossy solstice]

Basically on his unit kneepads build I would've used Ceska knees and did a Salvo holster

Would increase the RPM even more at the cost of either 6 CHC or 12 CHD

[modern gull]

@craggy trench @mossy solstice
so i imagine something like this instead
and if you want efficient drop walker knees for everyday carrier

[lofty portal]

what on earth?

[mossy solstice]

Console type build ahhh

[mossy solstice]

Both look solid

Taking salvo increases the burst damage on EB which obviously helps you kill quicker. You will be losing 6 CHC or 12 CHD depending on what is on your holster. I typically go CHC because I'd rather lose 12 CHD for more ROF

[tawdry pier]

If you laugh you go to a dz with autonemesis

[glossy fjord]

Wym @tawdry pier

What? You don’t like it @lofty portal

[tawdry pier]

It means if you laugh you go to hell
i'm genuinely trying to hold my laugh right now

[placid oxide]

I said to him once I'll say it again. No context is a very nice.

He was trying to self promote a video then he can't even take a good SS to try to show a "build"

[lofty portal]

nope, not good
i would go for sonething like this if you wanna play a PvP support

https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/c8ZC8bM2

[mossy solstice]

Without trying to seem like a hater, but sorry to say, that build gives you zero benefits besides having 2 million armor and 4 skill tiers. In pvp you'll want some sort of damage and if you need it, some survivability. And right now I'm seeing more rainbows than a pride convention on that build

[lofty portal]

maybe go one more skill tier and switch to survivalist

[mossy solstice]

I would've went with picaros for the slight boost to WD so overlord does a bit more

But I highly recommend that build too 💯 didn't start seeing people use it until I started

[lofty portal]

you won’t really have overlord in hand anyway because of the tdi

[mossy solstice]

Ahhhhh yeah true. I built mine for 6 skill tiers regardless what I was holding mainly because I'm healing so I need to stay back. If I want to be at the forefront I would've went:

Tech specialist
Murakami mask
Alps chest w/ unbreakable
Picaro's
Ninjabike
2 piece Palisades

Take TDI and run as many blues as you can while still using TDI to keep 6 skill tiers. At one point my healer build had 1.6m armor with unbreakable so killing me as a healer was stupidly hard 😂

Might just remake that build with quickstep for funny haha

[summer kelp]

im....... Ummmm this aint no pvp build.......

[golden ermine]

This is meta on xbox

[summer kelp]

yeahhh thats what it is

[vocal shore]

Is there any smg build viable?

[summer kelp]

hunter in PVP is ok iight at best. You can do striker PVP SMG ora ora

[vocal shore]

Ye I’ll stick to ar

[tawdry pier]

Quite powerful in cqb especially dz south stairs itll be what you see often besides bighorn

[lofty portal]

go either hunter-killer chest or a WH one with intimidate

[golden ermine]

Tbf collectors hard counters them if it is a full team of those

Also had multigroupers use it like 6v1 against me

Was unpleasant

[modern gull]

with 6 blues too?

[lofty portal]

4-6 is where it’s at

[modern gull]

i'll try six then, i do like my blues

[craggy trench]

for once i think sokolov or walker is bis, HK is just bad

[modern gull]

sokolov i think is BIS

[lofty portal]

yeah sokolov might actually be better

[craggy trench]

whats the rof with 4-5 chatter stacks?

1827rpm with striker 15% and 100% rof from chatter if my math is right

[modern gull]

curious about the core allocation for my bh umbra build

currently this is what i’m rocking but i don’t know if i like this or maybe something with more blues

[craggy trench]

How much WD, Chc, chd, hsd?

[modern gull]

at max stacks?

55 chc, 265 hsd, 225 chd

wd depends on cores

and expertise

[craggy trench]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oUgs0fLaaez_J5Mjcqc_1FiwJ11F1R68_IM2e7NP0MQ/edit?usp=sharing

2 walker or sokolov

[modern gull]

oh i am so stupid
i thought you were referring to the umbra bh build 😭

not the chatterbox striker build

[craggy trench]

you could go ad rush with catharsis and full blue

[modern gull]

even on umbra?

[craggy trench]

yea youll need to play in cover more, firewall is good because you can abuse the cover to cover bonus armor

[modern gull]

would have to drop ninjabike

[craggy trench]

yea its fine

[modern gull]

let me get you the stats for the chatterbox stuff

[craggy trench]

its done already

[modern gull]

ah ok

sokolov seems best in slot like i suspected

too bad it comes with red core so i need a unicorn roll to get it with blue 💀

[craggy trench]

the reason bighorn is so good for regen is because it has the best dps in the game without needing weird stacking. Umbra rof bonus alone is huge for BH so it allows you to stack more defensively like people do with regen.

[craggy trench]

you can craft sokolov and walker chest so its not too bad

[modern gull]

it's still a unicorn roll for blue
i already have a red sok chest with chc, chd, and intim

should probably be using that, either with 4 or 5 blues

[modern gull]

also if i want to use cath over nb, what to run? 4 pc umbra with chest ofc then catharsis, what's the last thing?

[craggy trench]

matador

[modern gull]

gotcha

and of course crit based

[modern gull]

55 chc, 213 chd, 265 hsd

i could honestly go for this

i genuinely like it
good damage, good gun, good survivability with 6 blues, matador, and firewall kit

[craggy trench]

yea its pretty strong

[iron flame]

so i am in the dark zone, extracting loot. this guy comes he does not see me, tries to cut my rope. i have stinger hive around the loot, the minute he went rogue i thought it would trigger but it did not.

should it or not

[craggy trench]

it should

[iron flame]

maybe it did and i did not figure as i dropped him real quick

he definitely was not a pvp person

[modern gull]

got the build set up but my stats are a bit low

eh, should be fine when stacks are up

[iron flame]

what do you think of this one ? (for what its worth introduced as a dark zone only build)

[tawdry pier]

everyday carrier on a 3 blue vigi?

catharsis on a 3 blue vigi?

[modern gull]

catharsis and vigilance is such a huge clash of purpose, they do not fit together very well

catharsis assumes you are going to be up in peoples faces taking damage, which means vigilance is always off

also yeah as nb said, everyday carrier and catharsis on a 3 blue setup? the build seems like they're trying to mix the face tanking and mid range damage into one build

[iron flame]

when you say vigilance i assume that is the talent on backpack?

[modern gull]

correct

[tawdry pier]

yes you take damage the vigi is dead

[modern gull]

every time you take damage vigi is on cooldown for 4 seconds

makes no sense if you're running catharsis, which assumes you're up in peoples faces

everyday carrier really only works with 4+ blues, same with catharsis

[modern gull]

@iron flame
if you want a face tank high end AR setup, run these

and if you want something better for mid and long range, run this

you can tank a little bit in close range with this, but it's only as a last resort
build is still most effective at mid to long range

[iron flame]

you mean this right?

[modern gull]

if you want efficient ye

[iron flame]

i can try this. i think i have all pieces

[modern gull]

you can try to go for 6 blues on that but then you'd really be reliant on weapon expertise and catharsis to get damage

so 4 blues is fine

[iron flame]

yeah agreed

[glossy fjord]

Yo anyone on

[vernal fjord]

I would ditch fox's and take 2 unit and also ditch Fenris

[glossy fjord]

Tanky healer

PvP

[modern gull]

no, fox’s is there to help nemesis one shot

you could replace fenris for unit, but keep fox

[summer kelp]

idk what your trying to do here but I dont think this is how to get there

[iron flame]

I have a question. I am with umbra behind the cover. The guy is rushing to me with a face tank build. He is very close. My skills are decoy and stonger hive. What do i do?

[lofty portal]

run? try to face tank?

[lofty portal]

this build is ass

why do you keep posting it?

[summer kelp]

now..... you know what na yeah you right LOL

[summer kelp]

I could be wrong but..... " mmmm me troll me troll people"

reaailty..... bros is the joke LOL

[craggy trench]

There's way better tank healer

[summer kelp]

this is not even a build LOL

[craggy trench]

Swap secondary rolls to hazpro and run bighorn, this is old.

1.7 mil armor at skill tier 6

[glossy fjord]

Bro I’m 2.0 skill tier 5

I bet I’d beat you inna 1v1

@lofty portal @craggy trench

[lofty portal]

you’re on PS5 no chance my man

[craggy trench]

I have a ps5 account we can 1v1 tn

Dw I'll stream it for everyone here to watch

[glossy fjord]

Fasho

Use tht build you was talking about too @craggy trench

What time you getting on @craggy trench

[vernal fjord]

My build is 3 yaahl, night watcher, ceska and Grupo. 3/3 setup. Nemesis still 1 shots without foxs

Occasionally I will run 2 blues and it'll still 1 shot. You just need to hit the head

[modern gull]

what expertise is your nemesis

[vernal fjord]

15 but I play conflict. In DZ it'll still 1 shot

[limber cedar]

well, almost all cases are head, it's impossible to get 2M body shot dmg on pvp.

[glossy fjord]

Healing umbra crit chance and repair on everything and incoming repair mods

[vernal fjord]

I have yet to see that myself so you are right

[lofty portal]

you really wanna nerf yourself that bad?

[golden ermine]

You got an xbox account?

[glossy fjord]

No

[golden ermine]

A healer build?

[glossy fjord]

Yeah

[golden ermine]

Wild

[glossy fjord]

Ikr and he think he gonna beat me

[golden ermine]

Not why i said wild

[glossy fjord]

Thas iight u ain’t beating me either

[golden ermine]

@craggy trench you got an extra playstation account i can buy?

[limber cedar]

You guys can invite me also, I will be giving that spiritual support and watch from the sidelines 🍿

[placid oxide]

Ooo 5.11

[dark maple]

we really got 5.11 in a pvp build before gta 6...

[amber ice]

Ironically, that's also going to be the install size for GTA 6, but with no decimal place.

[tawdry pier]

511gbs

[dark maple]

my 15tb of space is finally getting some use

[golden ermine]

Imagine heals is a sleeper and farms all of us

[tawdry pier]

yeah he's a literal sleeper

at least itll be more fun than farming lexington for the millionth time trying to get classy d3

[vernal fjord]

Bro could've went Richter and Kaiser and still would've had benefits VS 5.11. R&K gives explo res lmfao

[digital agate]

have a question, what's the point of going 60% hazpro over 100%?

[tawdry pier]

60% is good enough to not let status completely cripple you as opposed to running 0% and usually the next best thing to put on the second attribute after putting hsd is hazard cause you don't really need handling for most weapons and you don't wanna build crit into a hsd build

100% is for sharing it with the team like cav or having 100% burn resist by going 80% haz attribute and using demo spec for specific scenarios

But in general 60% is good enough for most builds

and obviously building to 100% resist is going to limit your build effectiveness and variety quite heavily

[tawdry pier]

@glossy fjord you around?

[glossy fjord]

Yeah

[tawdry pier]

one moment

[craggy trench]

Invite me @ ProdigyReflexz

[summer kelp]

What am i missing here lol is there gonna be a fight LOL

[glossy fjord]

Join me @craggy trench

[urban aurora]

Anyone streaming that? 😄

[craggy trench]

Hold up I'm getting ps plus lmao

[summer kelp]

LMK i need in on this

[tawdry pier]

@summer kelp dm

[glossy fjord]

Wow

You wasn’t even out here on the build you said you was gonna be on

How many times you gonnna lose befit you gimme my props

Be happy I gave you the builds

I hope you was streaming like you said you was too

[craggy trench]

I literally said I haven't played controller in 2 years and I'm still keeping up with you. I don't even have meta builds lol

[glossy fjord]

@boreal breach

[craggy trench]

What happened

You were just talking all that. Hit respawn so fast

Sitting in the stash now what's good

[icy condor]

@craggy trench you need to find a different game this isn’t it buddy

[craggy trench]

Come to pc and talk it up

[icy condor]

Your down like 6 lol

[urban aurora]

Umbra 1v1 doesn't count honestly

[icy condor]

Another death smh

[amber ice]

Just kiss and get it over already you two, i mean jeez.

INF, let me know how it goes.

[urban aurora]

He doesn't even have anything Umbra on that account, lame

[icy condor]

Yea yea

[craggy trench]

Using builds from 2 years ago, and I don't play controller

[icy condor]

Cry cry cry

[craggy trench]

Your boy died twice in a row. That's embarrassing

[glossy fjord]

I beat him wo umbra before plenty of times @urban aurora

[urban aurora]

I didn't count but I think w/o Umbra you were two ahead

[glossy fjord]

Dude you died how many times inna row

[craggy trench]

^

[icy condor]

Give it up

[craggy trench]

You literally should never lose against me I'm at a huge disadvantage

[glossy fjord]

Jit you said it was trash

[craggy trench]

I'm not even playing on my setup lol

[glossy fjord]

If it Ws trash why you got all these excuses now

[craggy trench]

You're dying to someone who doesn't even play the same controls as you

Dw NB is coming to play you

Can compete against someone who plays controller

[urban aurora]

You're not on the same level atm, let's see how NB does

[tawdry pier]

invite me prod

[urban aurora]

I wouldn't say the build is trash but let's see how you do with it when playing against an even opponent

[tawdry pier]

im gonna play pistol lol

[urban aurora]

😂

I can't play console at all so props to those who can somewhat aim with a controller

[craggy trench]

I clearly can't

[urban aurora]

You did better than I would lmao

[craggy trench]

It's been a hot minute

[tawdry pier]

damn got bravo'd

hold on ill be back

[glossy fjord]

Let’s see you use a gun that take skill

[tawdry pier]

wdym

[craggy trench]

Regulus = takes no skill got it

I wrote that one in my notes

[summer kelp]

[craggy trench]

0-5

[golden ermine]

Nb putting in the work it sounds like

[tawdry pier]

i really wanna stream but i got delta'd straight up 😭

[golden ermine]

Is someone streaming?

[craggy trench]

I got you

[golden ermine]

Bet

[craggy trench]

He's tired of playing against regulus and won't come out the checkpoint now

[summer kelp]

where you go.."?

[craggy trench]

He unadded me and dipped 💀

[urban aurora]

Awww so it's over

[craggy trench]

Yea think he tapped out. No one wanted to talk shit once NB was playing lmao

[urban aurora]

I think he expected a meta BH build against his Bighorn build only

[craggy trench]

He swapped builds a few times too

[urban aurora]

Yeah the Umbra swap was lame

[craggy trench]

Umbra should deal with regulus no problem lol

[golden ermine]

Im 10 mins behind but nb hasnt lost ad rush once

[urban aurora]

@amber ice Is over, nothing to see ^^

[tawdry pier]

This old man still got it

[craggy trench]

This old man kinda still got it

[tawdry pier]

My weapon takes no skill tho 💔

[summer kelp]

best taco brake ever

[modern gull]

i wish striker was good in pvp outside of chatterbox 😔

i remember one of the first builds i tried to make was an old striker obliterate i got from crypt and tried to mimic it here

now i think this is probably going to get smoked

[urban aurora]

That build used to be a thing, pretty much

[modern gull]

ye

i’ve been trying to get back into using striker whether it be eb memento or bh, but the stacks that you need to maintain just for it to work properly only for it to just get thwarted by umbra or a guy with 30 expertise is just sad

[urban aurora]

anyone with 30 expertise will stomp you probably. It's so bad that expertise carries over into the DZ, wth did they think?

Scared off so many people, understandably

[modern gull]

on that, i only JUST got to expertise 12 today, and i know most people got expertise 30 because of old bugs and glitches that just eclipsed newer players like me

i'm not very good at pvp in this game so i don't expect to win my fights, but man i don't even have a fighting chance 😭

[urban aurora]

Yeah...

Good attitude tho, props to that

[summer kelp]

11k shd 30 exp less then one year on challenging 3-4 D’s no glitches idk why people have to glitch to get anything done in this game. I swear it all started with participation trophies.

[golden ermine]

Because id rather teabag a beartrap than do pve

[modern gull]

i got into this franchise because of the dark zone and how cool the concept was, too bad it's kind of shit lol

[golden ermine]

I liked the mesh of shooter and rpg

[summer kelp]

I guess you like that 5th place trophy

[golden ermine]

No, i dont like doing pve for 300+ hours to do pvp

When i first started i spent 1 day hitting lvl 30, 1 day making a pvp build and was doing pvp on day 3

[summer kelp]

I got my fresh acc on a wensday was in conflict that night with a 90% optz umbra build that evening by 4 pm with the gang

[modern gull]

yeah that's the other thing, the resource sink just for optimization is insane

[summer kelp]

I think I was even exp 12 by the end of that day also.

[golden ermine]

Doubt

[summer kelp]

I don’t.

It’s really not that hard.

[golden ermine]

I did the math back in the day, hitting 30 via hitting 3 k shd levels and making new chars was about 200-300 hours

If you are being efficient with it

Prob faster now though

[summer kelp]

This was in Feb 25 Oo I also took 3 months off. Over the summer sadly. Didn’t want to but such is life

[golden ermine]

Let me just say;if you are tryna farm, dont do the math on how long it is gonna take, killed my drive to do it on pc 🤕

[summer kelp]

I do t mind the farm unicorns are worth it

[summer kelp]

I said day haha I
Mean week hahaha. So by reset I was ex12 sorry

[golden ermine]

Week is very reasonable

My problem was within a day was unlikely

[summer kelp]

I ment to type week. My fault.

[modern gull]

i know kind of want to try out this as an "updated" version of this older build
but at this point i'm kind of just coping

[half compass]

You can use striker, sometimes i do. It just requires much more work than other builds such as umbra

[modern gull]

ye ik, i currently try to use eb memento or bh striker

there's also chatterbox striker but that is just cringe lol

these two

[half compass]

That’s what I use though mine is is memento, obliterate or everyday carrier instead

[modern gull]

first one is obliterate and memento

[digital agate]

does a system corruption build work with ninjabike? I'm not sure if the extra bonus armor from backpack adds to the damage bonus

[pine kayak]

Would anyone be able to help me hijack an extraction, last trophy I need for platinum

[summer kelp]

No never ninja sys core there’s no point

[vocal shore]

I think eagle need a buff to really compete with bighorn, but that’s just my opinion

[summer kelp]

how so..? the EB gives you almost god mode when kill on head shot. what more of a buff do you want..?

it ahs more ammo. faster ROF what more do we need, I mean id love for OG EB back but this one is not bad

[craggy trench]

What Strat was that? Bond bank was pretty quick

[craggy trench]

It doesn't but ninja is bad

No catharsis or tardi then

[digital agate]

figures, mostly just coping because I dont have the backpack

[craggy trench]

The dps is shit, reduce the dmg reduction and add back the dmg talent

[craggy trench]

It's rough grind, imagine trying to get yellow cores tho!

[summer kelp]

that is true it is a bit crapy, but how are yall running it..? HSD and handling or crit hsd..?

[craggy trench]

If I run EB it's usually just full headshot with intimidate. It needs the extra dmg over efficient imo

[craggy trench]

#td2-pvp-discussions message

[vocal shore]

I would like a dmg boost maybe not a 35%, but something to compete with regen build, shit is unkillable

[craggy trench]

You know funnily enough EB does have a dmg talent in dz and it's still bad

It's just hidden

[vocal shore]

Really, what is it ?

[craggy trench]

When tenacity is active it has a range of dmg boost. Between 9-13% increase

No one is really sure how it works though. It's been that way for years

[vocal shore]

Interresting, idk if I really want a dmg boost, or regen to get a nerf

[craggy trench]

Both lol

[vocal shore]

Regen is just stupid honestly

[craggy trench]

You basically need umbra/striker/HB to have enough dps to burst down regen

Or 1 shot builds

[vocal shore]

HB?

Oh nvm yeah

[craggy trench]

I had so much fun with HB when it first came out

Was stupidly strong. Better than strikers now

[vocal shore]

Yeah it was

Regen is just make fighting no fun

Going full blue and still doing that much dmg with bighorn

[craggy trench]

Tbh bighorn is the main issue, if they reduced PvP dmg on it. regen would deal wet napkin dmg

[vocal shore]

Agree with that, and when you get the noobs, they run foam lmao

[craggy trench]

Problem is regen is easy to make foam immune/ almost immune where it isn't a big issue

[vocal shore]

Yeah, I stopped playing like last year and reopen the game this week thinking regen/bighorn would be nerf, but no lol

[craggy trench]

Pesti got a slight nerf that's about it

[vocal shore]

Yeah I hope they nerf or get new exo that change the meta next season

[modern gull]

what was the damage talent?

[golden ermine]

Right now im using the pay someone else to do it strat lol

[craggy trench]

It was a gear 1.0 thing

[modern gull]

a 35% damage boost would be really nice right now for tenacity

[vocal shore]

It would

[modern gull]

chat what talent

[tawdry pier]

I'm feeling a little vigi today

[modern gull]

what build should i slap it on

[tawdry pier]

prolly a pulse resist build

[craggy trench]

Crit pistol if you play console😉

[craggy trench]

Pulse Resistance 3/3 nemesis build

[modern gull]

i should update my nemesis build then

[modern gull]

this should work

i need an actual max pulse res mod though is the big thing

[craggy trench]

Ceska over grupo

But yea, can also go sharpshooter or technician

[modern gull]

i'd have so much chc lol

[modern gull]

oh yeah if i were to run technician do i run flatline on lexi with technician pointer

[craggy trench]

I do yea

[modern gull]

what skills do you run?

[craggy trench]

Decoy and emp sticky

[modern gull]

so basically this

[craggy trench]

Yea

[modern gull]

just need to find a max pulse res mod for 100 pulse res

[urban aurora]

Try getting one with 9.9% as well

[modern gull]

what makes 9.9 valuable?

[urban aurora]

You will notice when you get pulsed

You will sometimes only flicker visible for other agents, they still cannot track you. Also stack building on you is pretty much redundant

[modern gull]

right now i’m using a 9.0 mod

[urban aurora]

Not good enough but it's alright

[modern gull]

yeah sadly
also do you guys run the game on dx11 or dx12?

[urban aurora]

12 for me. No crashes since I switched from DX11

[craggy trench]

No idea tbh

[modern gull]

i'm on dx11 let me slap on dx12 and see if it does anything

[lofty portal]

https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/phIlvUea

you guys have got to try out this Mortar counter Mortar build

very annoying for your enemies but it works like a charm

[modern gull]

this is the mortar build i currently have

though i don't use it much because i have low rolls for a good few of these pieces sadly

need to farm resources and optimize it

[lofty portal]

i’d say if you want an ExploRes Mortar Build, Measured Assembly is the way to go

sure you don’t have as much damage but you can still 2-shot people, heal Teammates and destroy all enemy skills

literally perfect for holding areas

https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/WqXefzNP

and this one is great as a HazProt Mortar with a Shield, you are DisruptRes and ShockRes

[craggy trench]

Syscor mortar is really annoying too

[lofty portal]

never seen that, does the sysco damage apply to the mortar?

[craggy trench]

Yea

[lofty portal]

damn, need to try that out

but honestly, i don't wanna farm that

[craggy trench]

Yea I tried reanimated with no luck

[modern gull]

same
sys corr just seems miserable to farm

[modern gull]

right now i'm just trying to optimize this instead

90% explo res mortar is fun

[craggy trench]

ive never made a mortar build

did have a sticky build. reminds me of div 1

[abstract vault]

i have 2 piece for the mortar build i need one more

[modern gull]

man the eb feels so shit to use in the dark zone
max striker and it's still only doing like 100k on headshots

[modern gull]

maybe i should just stick to high end if i ever want to use the eb lol

[craggy trench]

could go umbra crit

[modern gull]

hmm maybe the same build i use for bighorn?

with 6 blues and perfect ad rush?

[craggy trench]

yea probably

[modern gull]

i don't like umbra though lol, but i'll try it

these would be the high end builds though no? or should i change these up a bit

[lofty portal]

rather go 2nd piece UA instead of Contractor’s

[modern gull]

for both builds?

[lofty portal]

i think so yeah, I also would go with more Blue if you’re gonna use Catharsis

[modern gull]

i'd try but especially the ceska cest would be unicorn pieces

could just not run it and go everyday carrier only

[lofty portal]

also makes UA more worth it over Contractors

[lofty portal]

i mean 5 blue would still be fine, the chest is a pain to get yeah

[modern gull]

which would be better, ceska unnbreakable or everyday carrier

never mind i think i'll just do everyday carrier, perfect efficient has saved my ass much more than unbreakable
this would be the best no?
@lofty portal

[lofty portal]

i’d say yeah, that or 2nd piece WH but you gotta calculate that

[modern gull]

where to do that

[craggy trench]

Unit knees on build 2

Eb has 15% chc right?

[modern gull]

yes so

this? with 6 blues

[craggy trench]

Yea

[modern gull]

gotcha thanks

[wraith elk]

Don't mind me, just stealing these build ideas lol

[tawdry pier]

How does the grah hold up in today's meta with unit

[limber cedar]

I discovered one thing that I hate about conflict, the game registers that the match was complete, when the screen turns gray before showing the defeat or victory screen, you have a short amount of time that you can open the menu and exit the match.
But the XP itself only registers after the scoreboard shows up, so you still need to waste seconds of your life seeing the defeat, victory, those guys won, those guys lost!

[summer kelp]

our dude is worried about sec, maybe even mins wasted.. but he is playing if not the most, deff top 3 most grindy games you blow countless hours on finding one unicorn peace that you use maybe 3 times and put it above the fireplace

[limber cedar]

Said the same guy who put a SSD on his PC instead of a HDD of same size

[modern gull]

huh?

[summer kelp]

umm what..?

[limber cedar]

Same principle, different examples, save some seconds.

[summer kelp]

umm no not at all.

you can put SSD "on" your pc all you want hell Ill give you all the SSD to put "on" your PC we shall call it bling

Shall I go faster now…? I put my extra ram on my pc

Dont mind the kitty paw prints and the wire mess Im moving soon haha

[limber cedar]

You kinda missing my point, why we use SSD instead of HDD? Faster loading, faster booting because we hate staring at a bar or loading screen,
how this applies to what I mentioned about the "conflict register" : is that the game waits all the players to load in order to show the scoreboard and finally give you the XP for the caches, instead of just letting the players leave with the XP when clock/lives just ran out.

[summer kelp]

I guess im still lost to why all the hostility when I simply pointed out you worried about sec, when you play div 2 and you waste hours and hours to find one peace that you wont use often

[limber cedar]

I wasn't being hostile you just thought I was being... And yes, we spend/spent hours farming for stuff but my point is: that does not mean we shouldn't find a way to save some seconds on things that don't give any advantage to the gameplay as whole. Another little example: what if we had movement speed and reduced countdown while playing solo descent for example.

[iron flame]

Is there a build that use catharsis , umbreakbale and adrenaline rush at the same time

[lofty portal]

obviously can use a Bighorn or any AR with that

[iron flame]

right but i want to see full details.

[lofty portal]

https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/vQem9erH

here ya go

[iron flame]

thank you sir !

[modern gull]

question, is this the reason why we drop ceska?
is ceska worse with 15 chc on the weapon even with the loss in chc because we need to put chc elsewhere on the build to make up for it?

[craggy trench]

Unit is just more dps now, previously ceska was the best option

[modern gull]

and contractor's is better than running 2 pc walker for a similar reason i assume

[lofty portal]

i think that may be a close one, because -3% dta for 12% crit damage doesn’t seem bad

[modern gull]

maybe idk

[modern gull]

damn even with this eb still feels lackluster, maybe because i'm only expertise 12
is eb more of a backup weapon then and lexington the main, or does it not matter?

[golden ermine]

Eb is dookie

[modern gull]

sadge
wasted all those resources for nothing, should've just optimized my ar-mmr build or mortar

[summer kelp]

not really that many wait till you get stuff to lvl 30 haha

[golden ermine]

It is niche but just doesnt do well in the current meta

[modern gull]

i might just try to use some variety of striker, striker eb or striker bh

[golden ermine]

Striker eb for people who door glitch is nice

[modern gull]

i use striker eb memento but at only expertise 12 i don’t think i have the damage to start off without stacking, and sometimes stacking is risky

and if i die i lose my stacks so

[golden ermine]

You should always stack unless at long range lol

Try to find a way via npc, decoy, braindead players

[golden ermine]

Also, this irritates me more because of memento

[modern gull]

yup

striker at least makes me feel like i have the damage to compete against people with 30 exp