td2-pvp-discussions

[calm plinth]

defender drone + foam or sticky

also firewall for the medkit

[zenith gyro]

sounds like i gotta go grind again to get get the big horn, and my firewall levels up, the carth on the other hand cant do cause i dont own that DLC 😭

where do i farm the big horn at ?

[calm plinth]

no idea the easiest build to make is umbra if you want something easier

[zenith gyro]

ill definitely look into the umbra build for sure if i have no luck getting the big horn

[errant rune]

You running firewall on this build I assume?

[golden ermine]

Gasp

[calm plinth]

you can or technician

tech will give you more damage firewall for survivability

[hollow mural]

immortal defender drone my beloved.
why cheat? ill never understand

viable pvp build that can pve?

[tawdry pier]

Any pvp build can do pve in dz

[pulsar vapor]

Le gasp

I forgot the chatterbox existed

[sonic shadow]

As much as i dislike Umbra, with 3 blue cores or 2 + 30% expertise you can shred people with Vigilance backpack and AR that has atleast 850 RPM (Lexington, Famas, etc) if you hold cover and let them run to you.
Striker's doesn't hold that good anymore at PvP, but if you're running with a 4-stack, it's decent, for solo encounters it works fine aswell but mostly you'll meet bighorn fans so you'll not stand a chance if they're not new players.

When i see solo guys roaming DZ, they'll be running memento + lmg builds since if you get can get stacks fast enough when you have rogues on you, you would have a high chance of survivability or killing them

[pale beacon]

thoughts on eagle bearer in pvp

[wet badger]

Only worth using if you are a 1% player

[mossy solstice]

^^ he isn't wrong. EB kinda just died in pvp. I only use it with Striker + Memento when landmark farming in dz to prevent myself from being jumped by rogues. Especially full stacks

[mossy solstice]

Why cheat? I'd love to know exactly that. I took sys Corr into conflict yesterday and absolutely mopped this group with a 3b3r setup. Even used EB. That headshot proc and taking down a whole squad with the most underperforming gearset in the game was so satisfying. I'm so pissed I didn't record it bc that would've for sure went up as a YT short on my channel. The cry for cheats from them was sad

[limber cedar]

Plus them complaining like: I can't see his name so he is cheating!! 😂

[grim comet]

lol that sys corr was a good build you were using it last night with the oro

[grim comet]

im like 90% sure we were going at it in the dz last night prolly the most fun ive had in a while in dz. No cheats in the server for once was nice lmao

[mossy solstice]

Okay that's crazy that you happen to be here in the server too 😂😂😂

Don't mind me talking hella shit I was just looking for a reaction 😂😂

You got me and that rando pretty damn good with umbra. Anything that does DPS of some sort while still having armor is so hard to counter with that build. When you're using bighorn though I noticed that your playstyle was pretty easy to counter, I would recommend strafing a lot more and try not to be an obvious read with your firewall kit pops. A lot of times when I noticed you would dip around cover out kind of predict that you're going to pop a firewall kit which would rapidly regenerate so I chose to stay back and not do damage and wait for that to wear off. The moment you completely went off bighorn is the moment that we started getting shredded. GG's

Per chance do you use keyboard mouse or are you on controller? I play controller because it's easier on me because I have nerve damage. So with me being on PC with keyboard mouse users I'm at a pretty big disadvantage

[mossy solstice]

This 😂😂

[grim comet]

im on controller as well. and thanks im just getting used to pvping more with that bighorn build and getting better at strafing. talking shit apart of this game lmao add my ubisoft if ur down to play sometime

[grim comet]

MlocKz_

[mossy solstice]

No kidding? It's nice to see controller players. I think you fully understand just how hard it is being on a platform where controller is not the number one input. I will definitely have to give you an add later today if not tomorrow. What look sensitivity do you play on and what aiming sensitivity do you play on?

[grim comet]

i play on max sens and 70 aim sense but i find the sens is so much slower on pc then it is on ps5 so strafing lacks because of that. and def playing on contoller is a challenge sometimes with the mnk strafing but i think we got an advantage with aim imo

[grim comet]

how about you what sens you play

[amber ice]

Play nice now, kids.

[mossy solstice]

At close range we definitely have aim advantage. However, I have noticed that while fighting a lot of keyboard mouse players, it's all about your reticle placement. I play with a crosshair in the middle of my screen, I don't rely on divisions crosshair. I try to aim for as close as possible with my crosshair to the center of the person so that way when I go to aim in, I have already decent placements. At a distance though, it is very hard to fight against mouse and keyboard players. That's why I tend to prefer close quarters combat. However, when I'm fighting extremely experienced players that are on keyboard and mouse, I stand next to no chance no matter what distance I play. For me I actually play on Max look sensitivity but I play on 55 to 65 aim sensitivity. Yesterday when I was using that spotter build, you ran quicker than I could aim track you and I dumped the whole magazine and I almost died. That random that I had with me in my group definitely kept you distracted so that way I can kill you. That was a really good strafe move on your part because it wasted my magazine and damage and force me to have to retreat to reload

Definitely get some practice in, you are a lot better than I am with a bighorn build. Headshot players that start early on have a really good start in PvP in this game. I unfortunately started using crit builds, and whenever I go to swap the headshot builds considering the fact that I am also on controller, it is near impossible for me to play just as good as I would with the build

[grim comet]

yeah true i wish we had better controller support on this game like they do in other games like cod. i think if they were to add in linear like aim settings controller players would be alot better and keep up.

[mossy solstice]

Your build awareness as well as countering builds is also really smart, you saw that I took iron long and Umbra and you immediately countered with haz protection

[grim comet]

hahah yeah i got on fire once and said hella nah then took out my haz

[mossy solstice]

Definitely get better, put the time in. I'm still grinding my way to being better even as a controller player. it's gems like us that will stand out in the community. I used to be a keyboard and mouse player but after the pain with my nerve damage in my wrist, I had no choice but to go back to controller

I see a lot of potential in you, keep at it 🔥🔥

[grim comet]

hey man i appreciate it credit to you with learning again on controller. us controllr players gotta stick together..

[mossy solstice]

If it would help you, I'm more than willing to face fight you in 1v1's with the bighorn build so we can both improve

[grim comet]

1000% down

[mossy solstice]

Real 💯

Hey feel free to use some of my shit talking as your own 😂😂

It gets a lot of reactions out of people and it's funny pissing others off

[grim comet]

hmu later you have my ubi and tbh i had my headset off for most of it but i heard someone talking shit

[mossy solstice]

Yeah that was definitely me the whole time 😂😂

[grim comet]

lmaooo

[mossy solstice]

My random partner was a complete dead silent. He kept up with me though

It was so embarrassing how we had that manhunt and then we immediately lost it because he didn't fall back like I told him to

In that manhunt clip that I recorded of us, I even put it at the end that you won that fight and we lost the manhunt because of it

While I may not be the worst, I definitely don't claim to be the best 👌

[grim comet]

that man kept running then foamed me so took out the foam it didnt end well for him

[mossy solstice]

I despise foam which is why you never saw me resort to that 😭😭 only time I'll foam is for taking out rogue groups

[grim comet]

i only foam when i get foamed lmao its brutal

[mossy solstice]

Fr 😂😂 be happy you didn't meet my rogue police build. I'll have to show you later on

[mossy solstice]

you should join us for bighorn 1v1's 😂

[grim comet]

lmao thank god

[amber ice]

@mossy solstice Sorry, I've never played div2 before.

[mossy solstice]

yeah, you wouldve been met with this. scroll thru for the stats 😂

near 6s of foam. you can ditch the shield for another status effect skill and be even more annoying. overlord shotgun is to counter "movement demons"

[golden ermine]

Last 6 messages=gluk gluk

[golden ermine]

🥺

[amber ice]

@mossy solstice How about no.

[mossy solstice]

But bro can make the same innuendo 💀

[amber ice]

Don't make me scroll back through chat. I will find things.

[mossy solstice]

I ain't arguing lmao I'm just saying the double standard is a bit crazy. I'll leave this for pvp chat

[amber ice]

It's only a double standard if I caught what the other person is saying, which I did not.

Still don't, actually. You're welcome to report it, if you feel the comment is an issue.

[mossy solstice]

gluk gluk is an innuendo

[amber ice]

About insulting your builds?

[mossy solstice]

give it a google, youll see what i mean

[amber ice]

I'd prefer not to.
I've given you the how of reporting it already, there's really no reason to keep going on about it in here.

[mossy solstice]

sounds good

[calm plinth]

gotta play 100/100/100 0 dead zone

[amber ice]

@golden ermine No more comments like that or we'll have to issue an official warning. That goes for anyone else too.

[golden ermine]

Sorry 🥺🥺🥺

[pale beacon]

does anyone run a graphics config and know how to get rid of the crazy fog

[mossy solstice]

I actually do, I can link you the video for the settings

You're gonna wanna copy the code written inside this video . Afterwards, visit "C:/Users/YOURUSERNAMEHERE/Documents/My Games/Ubisoft/Tom Clancy's The Division 2/" and open up the "graphics_settings.cfg" file in notepad. Delete everything in the file. Copy and Paste the video description into the file, Hit Ctrl+S or click "File", then click "Save"

Restart your game and you're set to go 👌

[narrow nexus]

can someone tell me what is wrong w my build? its like my regen doesn't kick in at all during pvp

[limber cedar]

Your blue attributes aren't maxed out and you are losing 0,5% by using three Golan gear (2pc: 1,5%) instead of three gila guard (3pc: 2,0%)

And in this case, armor expertise matters kind of a bit because the regen percentage takes it from the total armor, therefore, a couple of hundreds on total armor can increase the total regeneration on a bit, not to mention the +5% total armor from gila guard.

[sturdy sluice]

woah lol this is what I imagine resurgence to look like

[wet badger]

The only thing wrong with your build is the lack of a bighorn, until you have that it's worthless running

[mossy solstice]

based on the attributes, theyre trying to do regen with crits, which is basically redundant on this setup

if doing crit + regen may as well just take this

[wet badger]

Wait there's crit on that build?

[mossy solstice]

based on his attributes, its highly likely. look at the backpack and look at the chest. i highly doubt bro is running weap handling or HSD. theyve gotta be crits

mine is all crits and my regen is similar to his

[calm plinth]

go to youtube and search up a dbd reshade tutorial different game but applies to div 1:1

[lofty portal]

is this the best regulus hazprot build atm?

[wet badger]

It looks good to me, you might not need that yaahl though, catharsis is worth if you are fighting Vs automatic guns

[lofty portal]

i’m not really looking for extended fight, rather shieldpeak and 2 shot enemies

even with 5 blue cores i still do like 1.3m to the head

[lofty portal]

the yaahl pieces give me 10% wd and 10% hazprot which takes me to 80% overall

if i use like contractors and foxes i’d have more damage but less hazprot or if i go for hazprot on them i might not even have more damage

[inland tusk]

@minor crest why?

[inland token]

Just a message to all fellow pvpers, If lay off the lag switching and server manipulation, it’s getting to a point wheee your making this game unplayable. Shit is really lame, and if you need a lag switch to kill someone maybe PvP ain’t for you

[golden ermine]

Im sure they will read your message and stop

[floral hearth]

Just leave the server and find another one

[golden ermine]

Games dead, i cant find pple ngl

[inland token]

I’m always looking for people to play with also

Games not dead pve side has more players since dlc then ive ever seen, PvP is dying cuz of horrible balancing, ridiculous builds people use, status effects, and lag switchers have made a lot of people quit playing PvP

I know pc deals with legit hacks and that’s a diff issue

[floral hearth]

Every weekend I play with the same 25 players (West coast server) on Dark Zone, 8 of them cheaters

[raw bobcat]

Wtf ? PS5 , player Kuba_Chin_87PL

[golden ermine]

Cheaters on xb? Doubt

[floral hearth]

No jokes bruh. It's real but who cares a this point?

[mossy solstice]

aghhhhhh damn, he caught me guys. damn. i cant use my switch no more. damn. damn. that SUCKS. damn.

welcome to division 2

[mossy solstice]

part of the rules, no witch-hunting players #rules

if bro is cheating, report him to ubisoft

[raw bobcat]

E-mail ?

[inland token]

You can try to report him but I doubt anything is gonna happen, seems like they don’t do shit about cheating in PvP, god forbid you exploit shd levels or something in pve and then they have there ban waves, they’ve given up on PvP and there not even trying to hide it anymore, it’s been how many updates without anything for PvP now, what 5 years??

It sucks too cuz with proper support and balancing this game really could be amazing

[mossy solstice]

the old dev team actually did things about cheaters in both pve and pvp

[mossy solstice]

thats at the top of my christmas wishlist for this game. as well as many others

[mossy solstice]

visit ubisoft support

[hollow mural]

What chestplate should I use with a blue striker + memento? Everyday carry?

What rolls then? regen + crit?

Ngl I know nothing about what sub stats to roll for in pvp lamo

so used to ungabunga CHC/CHD

[lofty portal]

i mean memento is only useful for landmarks anyways so you can go for ceska obliterate or anything else you want because if you fight players it all depends on your memento trophies

[hollow mural]

Thats true. I want to make it as a build for when I want to just kinda vibe in the dz

[lofty portal]

okay, then go for obliterate, synergises well with striker and helps tou at clearing landmarks :)

[golden ermine]

My boi made a version with everyday carry so can work, use surv and play passive, we went hs bighorn (or theoretically haz)

[raw bobcat]

In game no report 😵‍💫

[mossy solstice]

Ceska obliterate with crits or ceska unbreakable with crits

It'll work fine for landmark farming. In between landmarks just make sure you watch your back

[stiff bear]

crazy 4v1 lol

[pulsar vapor]

My discord crashed whenever I finish watching your videos

[stiff bear]

on PC?

[hollow mural]

good for a matador intim build?

[pulsar vapor]

Mobile

[wet badger]

This is just insulting because they have time to reply in this manner but not the time to address the reports

[wet badger]

uzina is trash, u need gila or belstone, can u not craft the belstone chest?

[lofty portal]

i’d use it on a tank build but probably not with matador

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwVgtAzAnG4EyTARjsMAGDXM+9gXEgGyxhoIRhQDseu9d+ISp5iEJDXjcl4b3QYyTh+YBEMkZ8cTKjLi6SyTJAI0HZMFpJgMXQA5kIbhHSEilNMWVKzM4JRFhOt3PeCqy68KfMQ0IjRqFiIYBjMgA

something like this but when you find a belstone chest like that swap it for that one

[wet badger]

also dont spec regen rolls, u will get foamed on repeat until your fun expires

[calm plinth]

umbra in cover

kinda cooking ngl

[pulsar vapor]

334 hs damage

[amber ice]

@pulsar vapor I'm going to assume that's a "here's a cheater" thing?

[pulsar vapor]

No, just showing what 334% of hs damage does
Why, something wrong?

[amber ice]

Nope, just checking that it's not another Rule 12 situation, this one channel is obsessed with it.

[pulsar vapor]

Ah

[pale beacon]

besides mortar whats the most annoying build to use against toxic groups

[inland tusk]

Determined pop shot build

[lofty portal]

determined, status build, pestillence

if you have a big group against a manhunt a pefficient healer is also very annoying to deal with

[pulsar vapor]

Jammer with toxic delivery

[calm plinth]

fire sticky

[calm plinth]

what about competitive 1v1s 🧐

[calm plinth]

what does this hit for

[pulsar vapor]

Hm?

[calm plinth]

like damage

[pulsar vapor]

1.8 to 4 mil

Depending how far they are and for how long I been aiming in the the scope

[pale beacon]

speaking of comp 1v1s do yall prefer gila or golan

[pulsar vapor]

Gila

[pulsar vapor]

Which is the worst pvp map in conflict

||all of them lol||

[calm plinth]

i don’t think any of those maps were made for pvp

[stiff bear]

nah the one with the balconys facing eachother where ppl stay ontop of whole game with mortars

forgot the name but its 2 balconys on each side with 1 laddere behind each one

[limber cedar]

Melee build

[lavish basin]

@granite valve you're looking for #lfg-pc

[inland tusk]

Conflict maps are made with the mind set that this is moba game lmao,3 lanes

[amber ice]

This is the most zoomer thing I've read in a while.

[pulsar vapor]

How so?

[pulsar vapor]

The fish market?

[mossy solstice]

I'll tell you the hardest 4 stack to fight against:

Pulse immune sniper w/determined
Pestilence umbra
Bighorn Regen
Vile Tick/Status Effects w/ glass cannon (or a Tardigrade build)

[dire kestrel]

I regen and I hit like truck.

[inland token]

Yeah that one sucks can’t forget the healer as well

[wet badger]

try fighting against 2 chatterbox in the stairs, with cav and a healer, thats much harder if the randoms keep feeding stacks

[lofty portal]

i’d love to try my umbra versatile build with a chatterbox, no chance you survive that burst damage

[mossy solstice]

Yeah nah I don't even bother pushing that. Just wait for their stacks to wear off. But nobody would listen to that

I've fought a 4 stack and they were near impossible to kill even with one myself

[wet badger]

3.5M armour, 2200 RPM, 250k bodyshots, u arent touching it with any gun build

[mossy mirage]

Whats a counter to umbra cap? These builds just straight up melt, should i just go mantis 1 taps and pray i get a shot off?

[stiff bear]

ive heard that the standard yellow unbreakable builds are a counter to umbra

shield+ pistol build aswell but as umbra u can counter it aswell if theyre not that good

[stiff bear]

nah the one thats yellow looks like a contaminated area or w/e

Goerge town

[lofty portal]

fr haha, that shit slaps

[stiff bear]

oh and fishmarket too is bad if ur getting steamrolled and spawn on the bad side of the mapand they spawn camp u as umbra cuz u cant go in cover to get ur stacks in one ofthe spawns

[wet badger]

no point, they will sit behind a wall and corner peek you

use skills

[tight pewter]

i need a PVP clan

[pale beacon]

should i run striker or umbra to hit harder with chatterbox

[sonic shadow]

Go aswell with Umbra × Lexington measured × full red cores

[sonic shadow]

Umbra def

[tawdry pier]

chatter thrives on constant action umbra will not hold up for long

striker you can comfortably have full stacks and remain fighting

they're quite the opposite imo
umbra worse the longer the fight is
striker better the longer the fight is

it's also a cqb weapon so taking cover around people who are within 15m of you isn't a great idea

[lofty portal]

i’d say for stairs umbra is better since you can stay on top floor and build stacks until someone pushes and then you unleash the burst

[tawdry pier]

you'd sac intimidate if you'd use umbra

imo much better for stairs

[lofty portal]

you going ad rush/inti and 4 pc striker?

[tawdry pier]

of course

that with a healer and cav as above mentioned is a stair lockdown strat

[lofty portal]

yeah makes sense

what smg would you use with umbra then rn?

smg9?

[tawdry pier]

i personally wouldn't use smgs with umbra i'd go for classic cap or iron lung

best versions of an umbra build imo

[tawdry pier]

seen it tossed around on random grah setups

dont think much of it

[lofty portal]

yeah i am playing a weird, very aggressive version of umbra

[tawdry pier]

eh ig for like a 5 second dmg burst but after that you have to restack

[lofty portal]

i’ll get the right screenshot real wuick

[tawdry pier]

if they stall the fight you'd lose a ton of dmg

[lofty portal]

yeah, it’s for ambushing and bursting people down

versatile lasts 10 seconds tho

[tawdry pier]

ahh

[lofty portal]

maybe i could use purist

[tawdry pier]

honestly after they unironically added the 60% pistol dmg brandset i haven't been using much other than reg

[tawdry pier]

what's that again

[lofty portal]

smg9 with perfect streamline

but maybe too situational

[tawdry pier]

on that build?

to ambush tho you need decoy

[lofty portal]

yeah built myself this shit, 1.3m hits with 1.7m armor

[tawdry pier]

i went for this as a joke build and it's out of this world

[lofty portal]

thats evil

[tawdry pier]

#td2-pvp-discussions message

[lofty portal]

use dcg holster with it

[tawdry pier]

that's a glitch straight up

[lofty portal]

how much you hitting for?

[tawdry pier]

check the vid

2m and 2.3 crit

i made one with unbreakable and 1 blue and it does 1.57

[lofty portal]

brooooo

wtf thats dumb

thing is that the more blue cores you have the better the gearset gets essentially

so tank builds profit the most

[tawdry pier]

i put 30 expertise on all gear pieces and it feels comfortable to play with on demand damage

• long range pops are fun

[lofty portal]

this is the umbra versatile build atm btw

[lofty portal]

thats true

what chest talent would you btw use on a regulus build with vigilance

[tawdry pier]

this is what im currently using

same armor as a 2 blue btw lol

[lofty portal]

you got too many exo components?

gimme some

unbreakable feels so useless tbh

i just went for gunslinger

[lofty portal]

i could just go full haywire on this and use bloody knuckles

chuck a nade and get 25% more damage

[tawdry pier]

looks interesting

[lofty portal]

it is but it can be very frustrating when you have to get out of your forced playstyle

[tawdry pier]

looks like it would work well with artificer and decoy

[lofty portal]

door glitch?

or what do you mean?

[tawdry pier]

nah drop arti and decoy after

basically stealth

[lofty portal]

how long does it last?

[tawdry pier]

fairly long

since arti can refresh decoy

[wet badger]

No, measured is bad, measured has always been bad.

[inland tusk]

And yet ppl still use it,i have no idea why

[sonic shadow]

What do you mean it's bad? 🤣

[wet badger]

What do you mean it's good, I'll give you my take after, after all you are recommending it.

[lofty portal]

didn’t it get buffed tho?

[sonic shadow]

Have you seen PvP weapon talents so far? Mostly use Measured combined with Umbra or any other AR builds

[wet badger]

Sounds to me like you've seen someone on YouTube use measured and think the talent is good

[sonic shadow]

Yeah maybe in EU it's popular, idk, if you tag enemies first with full red core build it absolutely melts your BH builds and whatnot

[pulsar vapor]

Should I use the restorer hive or stinger for counter measure

[sonic shadow]

Restorer better i'm sure

[pulsar vapor]

Yea it's great

Protecting my teammates while healing them

Plus the fortified smart cover
They can tank quite a bit
If they use cover

Testing it with perfectly skilled

It don't work

[inland tusk]

Cap, nobody uses measured unless a troll or noob

[sonic shadow]

So tell me what talents you run on your AR builds?

[lofty portal]

Optimist, Streamline, Sadist, Flatline

[sonic shadow]

For PvP? Meh

[mossy solstice]

Measured on PVP for PC is all I see on Umbra builds/AR builds. Almost all have expertise on their weapons so it makes measured hit even harder

[sonic shadow]

For PC yes, DZ or Conflict, Measured is OP for crit builds

[mossy solstice]

It's not to say that everyone and their mom is using it but I've been seeing an influx of users using it in the DZ at least. Conflict, that's a different story

[inland tusk]

[sonic shadow]

Conflict players can't live without pestilence builds aswell

[inland tusk]

Sadist,flatline,streamline,sledgy

[mossy solstice]

That's when I just swap to bighorn Regen and take a tiny bit of damage, pop a kit, and I don't have to worry about that anymore

107k Regen + firewall kit = good luck Pesti users

I'll wait until they need to reload

[sonic shadow]

Yes, Pestilence doesn't hold that good against regen BH ones

[mossy solstice]

Mine is HSD/Regen

I don't run hazpro. That's what a booster is for

[sonic shadow]

+1

[mossy solstice]

Bc of this guy, I run protected reload as well

[sonic shadow]

I mean console players vs PC

[mossy solstice]

You laugh, but give it a try. 2 people run protected and 2 people run everyday carrier

Firewall cover to cover gives an additional 30% bonus armor and paired with fortified gives even more. Pop a reload, drop fortified, pop a kit. Go crazy

[sonic shadow]

Didn't meant to make the emoji feel that way, that talent is op for holding oneways

[mossy solstice]

Oh 😂😂

Paired with ad rush too will look like a sys corr armor bar 😂

[inland tusk]

Any PvP clans picking up on ps

Or are they legit all dead or closed 😂

[mossy solstice]

Hop on PC where the real cheating PvP is 🤠

[wet badger]

Booster hive, final measure sucks as a healer even fully specced, the set needs another 100% repair skills to be worth using as a healer.

I used it last night as a meskit support Vs a full multi of max expertise full red and full yellow builds, 2 support, 2 DPS, we wiped the lot of them out.

[inland tusk]

Would sell my left testi before I hop onto pc to get soft walled or just straight up mofos using xray and auto aim 😂😂😂😂😂

[mossy solstice]

There's damage hacks as well, just know that too 👍

Those who scream "rpm hacks" are morons

[wet badger]

Not it's not, it's objectively bad, where did you get the idea that it was worth using?

[mossy solstice]

When you do get legit pvp on PC, it's so damn fun

[inland tusk]

Ain’t no way 😂😂😂😂see I’m used to the above from dayz and other games but dmg boosts is wilddddd

[mossy solstice]

Yeah, it's sad. Ran into a known cheater in dz and they were more than happy to answer my questions on it. Damage hacks exists. Lag switching on PC can be mistaken as "gamespeed modifications" which will appear as a lag switch... When really their game just runs 3x faster than what we perceive

[inland tusk]

I’ve experienced lag switching on console too it’s sad 😂

[mossy solstice]

The reality of cheating got far worse after I kept asking questions... 💀

[inland tusk]

See that’s my motto don’t ask don’t be morally crushed

[mossy solstice]

The reason RPM hacks don't exist is because the game has an RPM anti cheat. Anything above an achieveable rate will issue an immediate ban

[wet badger]

It's not a damage boost per say but they are capable of multiplying their bullet output and they can speed up the game, damage modification isn't possible, well, there is kind of a way but thats actually a thing u can do on console, no one is safe anymore

[mossy solstice]

^^ this

It multiplies the # of bullets. It's a client side thing

[inland tusk]

So hypothetically they aren’t even modifying dmg it’s straight up shooting multiple bullets at once 😂

[sonic shadow]

Tell me why it's bad lol, it's great talent to use for crit build on for example Lexington for quick 1v1s

[mossy solstice]

It's still technically a damage hack, it's just instead hurling more bullets

[mossy solstice]

Yes

[wet badger]

And they speed up the game, it's insane what they are doing, anti cheat might as well not exist 😭

[mossy solstice]

Exactly right on this

[inland tusk]

Ong I think we ran into that when our tank on conflict got one shot by a skill build 😂😂😂😂

[inland tusk]

I did hear they are trying to introduce anti cheat to the game tho

[wet badger]

I'm not the one peddling false information, people come to this chat for advice, information etc, I am happy to help provide such information but I'm rather curious how you got yours, so tell.

Why is measured good?

[mossy solstice]

"trying"... Yet I see zero evidence on this. The same cheaters are still playing on PC for sure. Console I barely see bans issued as well. They're busy making the store a better place

PvP has been neglected for balancing for well over 6 years and the anti cheat hasn't worked since

[inland tusk]

100% it’ll be well after pc if they do implement it that console gets it anticheat is always lazier on console

[mossy solstice]

The guy I spoke to has been cheating since OG devs dropped WONY and left Massive

So basically for near 6 years

[sonic shadow]

Half of the mag goes instantly to an enemy, reload after speed is gone and repeat it, try it perhaps with red build, cayote's and vigilance, see the crit procs?

[mossy solstice]

^^ at the cost of 25% damage

I can see trading burst DPS but umbra does enough tbh

[inland tusk]

Streamline or nothing on dps

[wet badger]

Maybe try to do some actual maths, work it out, you gain RPM at the cost of damage, a lot of damage

[mossy solstice]

Locks you out of skills for pvp. Which can be crucial

[inland tusk]

Not if I’m dps

[pulsar vapor]

Ahhhh
Okay okay

[mossy solstice]

True but anyone smart would know not to push you and instead force you to play defense

[inland tusk]

Only skill I run is stinger for countering seekers and pulse 😂

[sonic shadow]

Vigilance adds it idm

[mossy solstice]

You have a massive icon over your head

[inland tusk]

I mean console lobbies don’t include the above word “smart”

[mossy solstice]

PC lobbies usually are smart 😂

[inland tusk]

They just push me non stop and get beamed by my first sight streamline 😂

[mossy solstice]

All it takes is 1 bullet without bonus armor, wave goodbye 25% WD

[inland tusk]

Yea true but if you’re that worried about the dmg run glass cannon

Oh wait

[wet badger]

If you are using Umbra your best 3 options are Capacitor, Iron Lung or Bighorn.

For high end? Why bother? Exo guns are superior.

Now if u wanna snipe with a Nemi ok then you must choose an AR, if you analyse your aim you'll find that you gain more damage from even breadbasket if u aim chest with some headshots mixed in than any other talent. Well, maybe flstline will hit harder but then u need technician and it can be countered by pulse res.

[inland tusk]

We on about bags agahahahaahahhaahahhaa

[mossy solstice]

Wave goodbye half your armor on a technicality

2m Armor with glass cannon becomes 1m

[inland tusk]

I run glass cannon on my dps just gotta be smarter honestly if I see my team is dog water tho I switch to my normal obliterate or vigi umbra

[inland tusk]

Yea I run maybe 400k armour 😂😂😂😂

Still run out with like 12 kills on usual

[mossy solstice]

Yeah you're basically the guy that sits in the back and shoots unsuspecting players

[inland tusk]

I wish 😂😂😂😂😂

[mossy solstice]

As they face fight

[inland tusk]

I’m too impatient to sit anywhere 😂😂😂😂

It’s exactly why I have a mortar build I used once 😂😂😂😂😂

[wet badger]

Yeah, that'd how u have to play glass cannon, I took out 3 sweats from BR being a rat with glass before they could react, didn't work again though

[mossy solstice]

Decoy is a must on glass cannon builds

[inland tusk]

100000% instead of pulse I run stinger and decoy on glass setup

But I push regardless tbh 😂😂😂😂

[wet badger]

Yeah, went up the rope, found the support player with a made in his hands, then the other 2 looked the wrong way as I sat in a corner, hilarious

[inland tusk]

If we have a good bonk build I play holding hands with him

[mossy solstice]

Yeah basically you play a buddy system. I'm talking you as a solo having to facefight somebody. Good luck with glass cannon. I breathe on you and you've married the ground and have a whole honeymoon ahead of you

It's basically 3rd party no matter what. Smart players will target the squishy guys first

[inland tusk]

[mossy solstice]

You being on console, yeah, I can see individuals not being smart 😂

[inland tusk]

Oh 100% since I’m solo rn i haven’t run it as much but it’s regardless my fav build

[mossy solstice]

I occasionally play glass cannon but I'd rather use all red spotter. Hardly anyone runs pulse immune

[inland tusk]

I run instead of glass,OD 🤣

[mossy solstice]

Sys Corr + Yaahl are the only 2 that allows pulse immunity. Nobody plays sys Corr but a tiny community (myself included with that small community), and hardly anyone has a Yaahl setup

[mossy solstice]

OD hits hard with the chest. I need to figure out a reliable way to build around it for pvp. I dislike not having unbreakable

[inland tusk]

4 5 blues,4 p od including chest,ceska bp with wicked, catalyst mask place holder for tinkerer,jammer and decoy,my jammer is expertise 15,i jam and i get full stacks immediately,if i kill a player or npc i get 25% bonus armor,not bad

Fun set to run

[mossy solstice]

Cannot wait until tinkerer 😫😫

[inland tusk]

Sadist, pressure point, wicked and parabellum rounds

[lofty portal]

which one?

[inland tusk]

Am not on game rn but I think it’s either 1 piece of a few with ninja bag or the 3 china 3 wyvern set with stinger and mortar 😂team asked me to go mortar once and I couldn’t play it again really not my playstyle 😂😂😂😂

Only run dps now so those loadouts have sat in stash awhile now 😂

[lofty portal]

i love to play my mortar against toxic groups

[inland tusk]

Oh 100% that’s why we wanted to do it but at the same time I’m better as dps😂

[lofty portal]

they can’t do shit against it because i am 100% disrupt resistant and i have a big shield to save myself

[lofty portal]

that’s fair

[inland tusk]

What build do you run for mortar pure status aswell with skill tiers or you focus on dmg 🤔

[lofty portal]

this, all skill damage and hazprot

for chestpiece spark would probably be better but i got lucky with this yaahl one so i just took that one

[inland tusk]

Might have to give that a try honestly 😂😂😂😂 always willing to try new builds honestly and the bulwark and mortar is fire can you target while behind the shield never seen it done ?

[lofty portal]

yeah you can

but you need to really get used to it

i always try to stay behind walls and shield peak around a corner but if i get rushed my only chance is to strafe alot and use big shield to block most of the damage

i gotta add that this was from 1.5 years ago so there might be some better fitting pieces out there

[quasi tartan]

well hello there. returning player here. any worthwhile pvp build with EB? Something classic that still might be functional?

[calm plinth]

are you wanting headshot or crit

[quasi tartan]

Whatever works. I got a old crit build in my loadouts. That still viable?

I believe I was also working towards a hs build but not sure how far I got with that.

[calm plinth]

i’m ngl to you eb is pretty ass now so you will definitely be putting yourself at a disadvantage but you can try some builds

that is definitely outdated now though

[quasi tartan]

I saw bighorn is it right now?

[calm plinth]

bighorn and capacitor

[quasi tartan]

right

fair enough

thanks mae

while i have you, smg still being used in pvp?

[calm plinth]

yeah mainly ouro and chatterbox

[quasi tartan]

Ouro the Ouroboros I assume ye?

[calm plinth]

eb can work with headshot, i may be wrong but 4pc striker carth + everyday carrier OR 4pc striker fenris/everyday carrier + picaro is what is ran with 6 blues

[calm plinth]

yeah, i’d say if you’re fighting 2 people or less ouro is better but if 3 or more chatter is better

[lofty portal]

nearly the same lol, just less hazprot and more damage

[inland tusk]

Chatter is a animal

[quasi tartan]

It is? Was ass back when i played but got a few laying around still

on what build do you run that? I want to farm some new shit

[calm plinth]

4pc striker matador + intim solkov or 4pc striker coyote solkov 3-4 blues

[inland tusk]

Love the chatterbox I’ve seen people run a few builds around it my mate has a good centurion based dps build for it just gotta get a bit close for the rpm boost

[quasi tartan]

Sounds like striker is something I need to farm regardless

[calm plinth]

i run ub solo or obliterate in group on chest

[inland tusk]

Good all round gear good for high rpm builds for putting out dps but depending on ur situation too im kinda more on about conflict idk about mae

I go umbra for dmg tho

[quasi tartan]

I love both conflict and dz, but ran mostly conflict back when

So what? 4 piece umbra?

[inland tusk]

If ur relying on dps basic is 4 umbra coyote and groupo or ceska bag with vigi

[calm plinth]

my skills are wrong should be defender drone + sticky usually

[quasi tartan]

Appreciate that. Time to farm some stuff

[inland tusk]

Forgot to mention if you’re going for conflict PvP and going for a umbra dps pesti is good for finishing

[quasi tartan]

CHeers

I should consider joining a clan or something, get some overview of current meta builds

get some bro's to carry my fat ass XD

[inland tusk]

Aye seems clans are more active on pc too😂

[lofty portal]

definitely

[inland token]

Yeah I’ve been trying to find a PvP focused clan but it’s hard most people just pve

[wet badger]

ouro? whos using ouro

[lofty portal]

it’s still not bad tbh, still a really good weapon, atleast until tinkerer enters the game

[calm plinth]

chatter is just worse if you’re getting 2 or less stacks

it’s definitely still comp because of the reload vs 2 people but assuming he’s new i think it’s harder for him to pull off

[inland tusk]

I just applied to the conflict leaderboarded clans it’s easier to see who’s acc doing stuff

[inland token]

How do you apply to them?

[inland tusk]

Search their names in clan and apply

[inland token]

Ok thank dude

[inland tusk]

Np mate had the same problem myself this morning maybe don’t go for the top either just an example 😂😂😂

[tawdry pier]

I'd say those clans don't have much going on but really that's the whole game

Good luck with that though

[inland tusk]

Already got in one 😂😂😂😂

Just looking for conflict honestly that’s it

And they top 20 in conflict so they obv been running it regularly

[tawdry pier]

I remember a lex dude trying to invite me where he sent like 4 videos of their clan clips

I just find those clans utterly uninteresting

But it's good for teamups ig

[inland tusk]

Yea it’s the only thing I’m interested in tbh is js having someone to hop on for a few games of conflict nothing serious not really even interested in getting more gear just wanna PvP 😂😂😂

[lofty portal]

my pulse res sniper build, currently grinding to replace airaldi and contractors with 2 habsburg pieces

[mossy solstice]

Mine is a Crit setup

But I'm using nemesis on mine

[lofty portal]

yeanh i have this one too

[mossy solstice]

Solid setup. I run mine with Grupo knees, Yaahl holster, and Nightwatcher mask with scanner pulse + decoy. Firewall spec

Chest and gloves obviously Yaahl as well

[lofty portal]

i use tech spec for the artificer and because i already have other weapon types used for firewall spec damage bonus

[pale beacon]

would yall rather have a healer, medkit or some type of armor support build in group pvp

[mossy solstice]

Tardigrade or Healer

I've got a ninjabike healer that does LLP pulsing with empath. Also uses Future Initiative. Lmk if you want the template

[inland tusk]

Depends who am i fighting

[low valve]

I always like to step in as a healer
It helps
It’s also cause I don’t have a good DPS build for PvP lol

[lofty portal]

why not pefficient survivalist kit?

[mossy solstice]

I mean, that works too. Depends how you build it

[lofty portal]

could do it with cavalier for full support tank

[mossy solstice]

I run mine with cavalier. Shocker punch, shield, booster hive. Everyday carrier chest and then CHC mods where I can. And St Elmo's

[lofty portal]

that’s mean

[mossy solstice]

It is especially when you have group on group contact and need to immobile a full team 😂 basically built in creeping death

[lofty portal]

evil💀

yk what is evil too

determined pulse res sniper in DZ

[mossy solstice]

Nah what's evil is shocker punch and creeping death. Esp using flame sticky + shield

I call it my "Diddy" build 😂

Hit em with the sticky, then shield shock punch 1 of them and there you have it. Whole team is on fire and shocked. If you wanna be a real prick, use a blinder firefly and shock them right afterwards

[lofty portal]

Meet, the Mortar

[pulsar vapor]

That's devious work right there

Slight update to my build

[calm plinth]

cheater build exposed…

[pulsar vapor]

What?

How?

[calm plinth]

i’m kidding it’s kind of a meme on pc where if ppl see u using a hotshot build in pve they will assume you’re cheating

well.. not really a meme.. ppl actually will

[lofty portal]

in pve?

[amber ice]

@lofty portal As this is a PvP channel: you can probably guess what the answer to that is.

[lofty portal]

funny that i just looked at one of the most infamous conflict sniper players profile and he is using hotshot

[mossy solstice]

(can't say the full name due to 'witchunting' rules but iykyk)

[pulsar vapor]

Ahh

[pale beacon]

does the lingering fire from fire grenades apply sledge

[tawdry pier]

Yes

That's why it's the recommended spec for sledge

But fully resistant players don't take sledge proc from it

[wet badger]

Try to get 2 hasburg instead of the holster and bag u got

[wet badger]

Yes, a common tactic is to throw the fire nade then on the final tick swap to your Lefty, this way you extend your fire nades effectiveness in slow paced fights.

[sonic shadow]

Another day another topic

[pulsar vapor]

What attributes should I get?

[wet badger]

Headshot damage and either hazard to help against status or crit chance, hell, even skill haste for a faster pulse is ok.

Speccing headshot damage from brand sets on a sniper or bighorn build is bad bad value due to diminishing returns.

It's not an easy piece to get, that backpack but it's min max

[pulsar vapor]

Ahh

[lofty portal]

if you really wanna get a pvp sniper build try a full pulse res one

you’ll probably die of old age before you get a perfect one tho

mine isn’t even finished

[mossy solstice]

ignore the fact its on a steam deck but this one will do 👍 all crits. take firewall instead and swap coyote to nightwatcher mask. can be blue core or red core. this is set up for conflict rn

then ofc swap the drone (mandatory if swapping off sharpshooter) to scanner pulse

[calm plinth]

thats the first time ive seen someone use that lol (the drone)

[golden ermine]

Drone is metaish for conflict

[dire kestrel]

Heh Lexington. Heh.

[dire kestrel]

I use explosive seeker mine staggering is funny. 😆

[lofty portal]

lol i got the exact same build

just with the shield splinterer

[mossy solstice]

You'd get more out of it with a Lexington considering you can take 3x 10% CHD mods. A Famas I think would give you better burst DPS with a smidge less CHD

(not everyone has Lex so I fully get the shield splinterer usage)

[mossy solstice]

Drone or Remote Pulse > Scanner Pulse. They put the cooldown way too high for scanner pulse for conflict. It needs a 90s cooldown, their 180s cooldown is far too high. Nightwatcher drops it to 90s but still feels too long imo so a drone or Remote Pulse is best way to go

For DZ for sure run scanner pulse with Nightwatcher for quick 10-8s cooldowns. Keeps people constantly pulsed

[wet badger]

The pulse in conflict holds more value as theres no minimap, in DZ u don't even need a pulse a lot of the time

[mossy solstice]

This too, considering you can see nameplates at a pretty far distance

I like to run mine for those who drop decoys and try to go for flanks

[wet badger]

Obvs once u get snipers or high damage decoy players you need one

[mossy solstice]

Exactly right. Mine is set up to hold manhunts so having the constant pulses is a huge benefit

Allows my team to take different skills rather than wait on people for their skill to reach completed cooldown. Alternatively you could run tech for LLP and slap flatline on the build with Spotter talent. I've seen the same variation

[mossy solstice]

How would umbra + ninjabike + 2 piece Yaahl hold up for the pulse immunity? Is it even worth considering to take?

[lofty portal]

probably not, you lose out on alot of damage

[mossy solstice]

I typically take Picaro's + Walker Harris. I know taking Yaahl with Ninja gives 10% WD but the WD 5% + DTA 5% is a fairly big loss by not taking Walker Harris

Might just boil down to a "depends" situation. I would shave off some blue cores for my setup that I asked about just to recoup my loss of damage by taking Yaahl

[calm plinth]

yes

at least a certain player has manhunted me with it

[wet badger]

yes, its very common

[mossy solstice]

I'll give it a shot 👌 @calm plinth

[lofty portal]

you should try my build too at some point

this or this with the scabbard holster instead of contractors

[wet badger]

i'd add a decoy instead of drone, i can imagine foaming yourself and running to kill 1 guy

[sullen oracle]

go to id:customize and select a plataform chat so you can see the LFG chats, that should let you find people

[sonic shadow]

common conflict build

[mossy solstice]

I've got that kinda setup. I run mine with ceska + vigi and coyote mask. I do occasionally use scabbard holster. Been toying with a glass cannon + Vigi + scabbard build for conflict with EB and it shreds

[lofty portal]

if you use scabbard anyways try versatile on backpack

[mossy solstice]

I think I got one of those in my stash. Visionaro or whatever Brandset it's called gives the swap speed buff

Basically best in slot for that type of play

Thought about running a High End version with the Gunman talent (whatever it's called) and the versatile backpack talent and then pair that with Scabbard

[lofty portal]

yeah thats what i use

named bp called vigil (kinda ironic that it doesn’t have perfect vigilance but well)

playstyle is a bit weird but it can be alot of fun

problem is that you can’t play 2 SMGs or two sniper rifles or something like that, has got to be different classes

best combo i found was smg + lmg because you can take chc on the lmg and get roughly the same amoumt of chc on your build

[mossy solstice]

Vigil should have perfect versatile no? Might be a talent bug

I'd run it as LMG/AR

[lofty portal]

not really worth it because it is only 15% amp in pvp

on smgs and shotguns it is 35%

[lofty portal]

it does but the name would suggest that it has something to do with the talent vigilance

[mossy solstice]

Damn that's fairly low... Yeah SMG might be the way to go

[mossy solstice]

Honestly, fair take. I thought the same too

[lofty portal]

sadly smg has so much chc that you either overcap quite a bit to make the other weapon viable or use an lmg

good lmg to run is the blavk market rpk or l86

[dire kestrel]

Just run killer and max out Chd put some weapon handling. You should be fine.

[lofty portal]

what?

1. why weapon handling?

2. this is a pvp build, killer is bad in pvp

[dire kestrel]

1. overcap? Smg? gotta compensate.

2. That is a matter of opinion sir. Dark winter is a beast btw

[golden ermine]

Ye but like there are objectively wrong opinions

[dire kestrel]

Good to know. And those who object have a right to their opinion as do I correct?

[golden ermine]

Fs

[oak ore]

Looking for 1 to join incursion

[calm plinth]

i run dark winter with weapon handling

[oak ore]

I’m on ps

[golden ermine]

Wrong chat lord

[wet badger]

No

[pale beacon]

does striker eb hit harder with headshot rolls or crit dmg rolls

[calm plinth]

headshot

send ur eb build

[pale beacon]

just used my bighorn striker build

[lofty portal]

1. you only overcap on your smg so unless you mean weapon handling on your weapon mods your point doesn’t make sense

2. and how are you getting the crit kill to get the damage boost in pvp?

[dire kestrel]

Ok

[dire kestrel]

Idk bro I play how I play you play how you play. Cool? 🙂

[lofty portal]

you can play how you want but since other people might read your messages i was just gonna add that dark winter is not a good pvp weapon

[dire kestrel]

It’s cool brother idc what people say haha 🤣 this is a forum for PvP I understand what you’re saying I’m a big boy with no legs I can handle myself. 😂

[lofty portal]

all good, just tryna help haha

[dire kestrel]

I know I was looking stuff up on PvP a while ago and your right some talents are better than others. I get it. I was just experimenting

[lofty portal]

yeah all talents that are based around getting kills are not really suitable for PvP sadly

[dire kestrel]

Yea sad state of affairs. Almost like losing my legs. I was going to ask what are some good talents to start with.

[wet badger]

And it's not even an on kill talent, killer is completely unreliable, you only get the buff if you KILL with a crit, that's the most dog shit condition for PvP.

[mossy solstice]

RPK shoots a bit too slow without Umbra. And the reload speed is AWFUL. L86 reloads far quicker, hits for nearly identical damage, and shoots a bit faster I believe. I'd argue the L86 is the best LMG rn for high end

[mossy solstice]

What bazookas was getting at was the crit chance cap on an SMG is much lower than say an AR. Using a versatile build with hella CHC will effectively hurt the usage of an SMG because you only can get up to 3 CHD mods on specific SMG's. If you're way overcapped on CHC for an SMG, I'd argue it's better to take a shotgun with Brazen. It'll do more damage than an SMG, and you should be at the CHC cap nearly if so. It depends on the build.

Killer is a solid talent, great for PvE. Sadly in PvP, having an on-kill talent (especially requiring it to be a CRIT KILL) can be a huge detriment. If you can manage to get the kill, it's good damage. The issue with it, well, it's not consistent. Optimist or Streamlined would benefit you more in this case

There's builds that can utilize dark winter for pvp, I've seen them before, it's just hard to manage if you don't get that kill. Most just use Ouro if they need quick burst DPS or simply use a vector with Streamlined/Optimist

as for why would you wanna run this, idk, but this would be how I run this setup . This is just going off the build that Bazookas posted earlier. Slapping an SMG on it would work, would need to move around some mods and attributes. But with this build, you're already getting enough CHC for a shotgun to be viable for usage. On an SMG with this build you'll be seeing, and this is depending, roughly 70-80 CHC. Diminishing returns, which is where a Shotgun/LMG would be more efficient. I won't discredit you, taking weapon handling when youve got plenty of CHC and CHD isn't a bad idea. I'd argue for more damage throw on some more HSD and just strafe more

[calm plinth]

please take all suggestions here i need easier fights

[dire kestrel]

I like this answer better than “no” thank you sir lieutenant Dan “out”

[wet badger]

Before i give the good answer I need to make sure it's worth my while

[mossy solstice]

Lieutenant Dan, we love you

[dire kestrel]

I was thinking when tinkerer comes out to use these talents on a tac vector

Optimist and streamlined

[mossy solstice]

That would for sure be the way to go, flatline and streamlined for spotter builds would go dummy hard too

(if timed skill usage correctly)

Just got 2 birdie's backpacks today and gonna theorize some sorta pvp build with it. Saw manhunts using the backpack and the talent seems useful, ish? Gonna do some experiments for sure

[dire kestrel]

I need one been running it on heroic with 0 luck. Maybe final measure healer build or some hybrid off brand set.

[mossy solstice]

From my understanding, it's not the "best" healer but it offers some heals. Basically I'll just be using it as an Anti-Mortar setup in conflict and as a "Trophy" system against skills. Yes, Cavalier exists, but any goofus can use cavalier. I wanna try something new considering I have yet to even throw together a Measure built yet

I've seen it in PvE and I do like what the set does. I need to see how it'll play for PvP

[calm plinth]

it’s meta

[mossy solstice]

This brings me hope 🔥👌

So my suffering wasn't for nothing then

[golden ermine]

You can insta rez with it. I had some kids come back after i almost 1v3d them just cuz they had that

[stiff bear]

striker bighorn goes hard in conflict thought it woulndt do well cuz the need of building stacks but gawd dam i was wrong PS sorry about bad quality i had to lower it to fit the whole fight in 1 go

[calm plinth]

nice clip

[dire kestrel]

It kills skills I wonder all blue measured with birdie tech w faraday ?

[sonic shadow]

nice clip, better than some pvp montages on yt lol

[mossy solstice]

Damn 😂 cannot wait to make a build with this thing. I love me a good healer build

[mossy solstice]

Yup that's the idea I'm going for lol. I need to do some build theorizing. I'll report back when I get a nice setup for my playstyle

[limber cedar]

On yt is like: put the clip with an edge song that is louder than the gameplay sound, and a bunch of color filters that make it awful. And don't forget the "GOD BUILD!", "BROKEN BUILD!" "BEST BUILD!" on thumbnail.

[golden ermine]

Whaaaaat . Who does that 😶‍🌫️

[pulsar vapor]

This clip told me everything i needed to know about the difference between console and pc

[mossy solstice]

Console players always be saying they can hop on PC and whoop ass... Have yet to see that actually happen 😂

[sonic shadow]

Ask console players to strafe if they try to bully you

[mossy solstice]

They'll float, not strafe. What they do is boating, what we do is strafe 😂

[mossy solstice]

Damn good play 👌

[golden ermine]

Nah, xbox on top

[calm plinth]

theres some recent console switches that are quite good but this is like 2 people out of the countless ive seen try to compete

[warm heart]

This why I want to pvp so bad 😭😭 tuff

[warm heart]

Coming from console into pc.. yea is not that easy. At least for me it wasnt.

[tawdry pier]

Respectfully who wants to hear ISAC's bumass sound saying "rogue defender detected" for the umpteenth time

[sinful grotto]

Can some explain how and why that damage number popped up?

Could be just a visual glitch but once I got downed that number stopped showing up and went back to just regular 2M damage

[proud dew]

Any good pvp dz builds?

[calm plinth]

💀

[dire kestrel]

Oh it’s happening

[kind lotus]

hopping may be a little difficult

[dire kestrel]

Squirming it is!

[wet badger]

You did all the damage that guy was ever gonna receive, he has now uninstalled

[lofty portal]

4 pc striker, sokolov chest with intimidate, ceska backpack with AdRush

ouroborus or chatterbox with an lmg (third attribute rolled to chc)

[wet badger]

Ceska? Isn't that over 60 CHC? For SMG

[sinful grotto]

Should be DTTOC instead of CHC

Especially for smgs yeah?

[lofty portal]

chc for the lmg to get similar chc as the smgs

[lofty portal]

lemme test rq

[sinful grotto]

Ahhhh ok

If it’s ouro or chatterbox a AA12 could be useful to stack striker stacks off decoys or NPC

[wet badger]

You don't need a shotgun for stacks if u run those 2 SMGs, especially not those 2

[lofty portal]

not in pvp, you dont really get the opportunity to stack with the aa12 if in combat

[lofty portal]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwDgtAzGAMbHNG2U1yBc4rx2AnAOxrEoYRTYLwQBsJ9GWi8pDJ6wekzbrfHXKLBa8GHArAAsYAIwy6MvAsKy84RV36TpM2QpyxaYAprToZIOjrp92BdBGk1pBXTVOl0RObNvIgA

this for example

just 1% over cap if fully maxed which won’t be the case for new players anyways

[sinful grotto]

I be getting some opportunities but fair enough

[lofty portal]

by the time you stacked and seitched weapon you’ll be dead already

[sinful grotto]

Nahhh

I will say it’s very situational and I don’t really switch off my primary so if I see the opportunity to build stacks I use it

Just personal preference

But also you don’t really need to build stacks especially if you’re using chatter or ouro

[calm plinth]

matador bp

[lofty portal]

debatable

[calm plinth]

no

[lofty portal]

you lose damage for a bit of armor

[wet badger]

You definitely take Matador, it's just that most new people don't have one.

[sonic shadow]

Red to blue core ratio? Cuz seems at 1.5m armor chatter does like 60k dmg lol

[lofty portal]

between 4 and 6 blue vores

[lofty portal]

but if you take it then you wanna choose a wh chest aswell right?

[wet badger]

It really doesnt matter, the difference between 10% Additive Vs 5% DtA is practically nothing

the core skew does not matter that much, if anything I would say the worse you are the more blues u add, if u have it locked down u can even go 3/3

[lofty portal]

in this meta more blues really is worth it because expertise makes them much stronger

[wet badger]

Yes ofc, but when I say locked it down I mean when you have a team mate providing you 70%/2.2M armour you dont exactly need more blues

Vanguard + Perfect Leadership

[lofty portal]

you don’t really play that in pvp tho, rather a bighorn tank or a cavalier healer

[wet badger]

cavalier healer? ur joking right?

[lofty portal]

cavalier build with pefficuent survivalist kit

idk if it got nerfed but thats a known build

[wet badger]

That's not referred to as a healer, that's referred to as a support

[lofty portal]

my bad, still vanguard and p. leadership isn’t really played in PvP

[wet badger]

Oh it is among actual good teams

[lofty portal]

isnt it usually
2 damage
1 support
1 status

[wet badger]

The 4 man comp does vary depending on what the server is using but that works fine yeah.

The support can be a healer but on PC healer isn't as common because lowish armour gets targeted, in most cases a healer only works if you have a bonus armour support player covering him or they hide in a defensive spot such as stairs, safe room or cinema.

A status player can also be a bonus armour support rather than a cav,

Cav is good but for those who know how to exploit it's downtime it's kinda shit.

[dire kestrel]

Yea on console it’s usually 1v1 in the dz when there are 4 I see no healer ever. Unless it’s conflict but then again I havnt really seen a healer/suppoorr. and I play conflict a lot

[amber ice]

@candid mantle You're looking for #lfg-pc, GL Agent

[mossy solstice]

Everything crypt is saying is 100% true. People that know what they are doing, they typically target specific individuals. Whenever I run healer build as a support for a team, I'm usually targeted first. A simple "nearby, inspect" is all it takes for somebody to realize I'm running heals. I run my setups with fairly high armor, and with Ninjabike. Gives me better survivability with some downsides to my skill haste. Usually I can get my builds at about 1.3m - 1.6m armor depending how I build those healer builds. Usually I run empathic for my chest talent, but will take unbreakable if necessary. IF tho. I'll leave behind my 2 setups I run for healer builds

Setup 1: Future Initiative. Do note you can swap out Picaro's for a normal Brazos holster for a bit more Skill Haste at the cost of 10% WD. Empathic Resolve plays best on this setup but if needed, unbreakable is okay.

Setup 2: High End. I chose with this setup to run more armor and to run around with Kard TDI for the 6th skill tier. Slapping unbreakable on this build makes you even harder to kill as a healer.

I've got experience with both builds, both can be ran with the right team. Take the first Setup over the second one imo, provides better support for the team. Second one is for playing against high damage players

Setup 3: Measured Assembly. Have a little bit of playtime with this setup, it's honestly not bad from what I can tell. You just need a smart team to stay within Hive/Smart Cover range. If I notice my team is pushing ahead, I'll shoot a smart cover to where they are going and follow behind. If somebody gets close, shoot em with Overlord. If somebody goes down, Birdie's will pick them up instantly. If you need to cancel out skills, shoot smart cover where enemies are and cancel the smart cover skill

[lofty portal]

damn, the effort

[amber ice]

2300 characters.

fun fact: that's the allowed description length for more than 5 clan posts.

[pulsar vapor]

I never seen a clan message longer then 25 characters

[amber ice]

You haven't seen a lot of clan descriptions then.

[pulsar vapor]

Damn

[mossy solstice]

i take my healer role very seriously lol. both in pve and pvp. a good support is the anchor of the team

playing healer is probably my favorite role to play. ive done countless incursions/raids as a healer. just cant get past a good support role esp healing

definitely didnt take me almost 5-6 hours to realize i did markdown incorrectly

[lofty portal]

it really is an essential part of harder gameplay, i personally don’t really enjoy it because it can get really boring fast (only PvE)

[inland tusk]

No future bp is a no no for me

[wet badger]

I would argue Birdies > All other backpacks

[golden ermine]

100% imo

[limber cedar]

I agree because there is no talent that affect the revive mechanic only the heal itself.

[mossy solstice]

Revives take a million years anyways and the 50% damage reduction is absolutely broken. It's basically Provocator talent but on a backpack

... And still does twice as much as actual Provocator

[haughty orbit]

where do pvp usually happen in dz for asia?

[amber ice]

@haughty orbit #lfg-pc

[haughty orbit]

Sorry, i meant which darkzone area most crowded

[amber ice]

Lol, nw.
Usually from what I've seen it's just whatever has the "best" TL, or if in doubt: AR TL, since people still (wrongly) think that it helps you get the EB/Bighorn.
Or just the Invaded one.

YMMV.

[haughty orbit]

Thank you!

[lethal plaza]

Any chance i can use a good build with shd lvl 100 and compete in dz/conflict?

[lofty portal]

the level is mostly holding you back, especially when playing a damage build

[lethal plaza]

but its a very long way until a good amount of shd level, im quite forced to just grind pve

[amber ice]

@lethal plaza The 5xXP just started actually, so you've never had a better time to grind out your SHD Level.

[lethal plaza]

yes i know, just got my HF Build ready to grind control points

[wet badger]

Yeah unfortunately ur just gonna have to grind out that 1k before you scratch that itch or you'll be disappointed.

[lethal plaza]

yeah probably, but its insane, SHD to 1000, expertise to LVL 30, prefect rolls on everything and all just a grind in pve to play pvp

[sonic shadow]

With outgoing event, you can reach 1k SHD lvls with 11-12 hrs of efficient farming if you know how to do it

[lethal plaza]

can you give me an advice how i could pull this solo? i already should have a build with HF, if its realistic to get to 1k in this much of hours, i just need to know how

[sonic shadow]

you basically run open-world activities, mostly resource convoys, public executions + bounties you get from them, find a route that works for you and get to grinding, if you have rifle/mr build that can oneshot enemies, it's going to be even easier

i'd run for a hour doing what i need and want in open-world, ~70+ shd lvls so

[lethal plaza]

sorry if i ask this in the pvp discussion, but is it enough to run it on heroic with directives? i dont have legendary and unfortunately no rifle build. I just run all red marks on the open map??

[mossy solstice]

You'd be better off farming Heroic control points with a hotshot build with all directives enabled. Guarantees a level per, and since it's 5x XP, you get 5 levels guaranteed. Sometimes 6-7 due to headshot XP. Plus, these are fixed locations. Doing open world activities require a shat load of travelling and plenty of praying there will be activities within reasonable range. Control points can be reset, activities cannot. It's the best XP farm in the game rn

If you have an OD build, that will work as well. Hotshot isn't fully required

Hotshot is easier to use tho

[sonic shadow]

Headshot build, all directives + heroic

[lethal plaza]

thank you very much, so i recon i need to make one shot sniper build?? :D can you give me an advice on how to build a headshot build???

[sonic shadow]

3x hotshot, perf. headhunter chest + providence backpack

25 mil crits+

[mossy solstice]

4 PC hotshot, Chainkiller chest, Airaldi bag with Vigi will hit near 29m

@lethal plaza ^^ just follow this build right here

[sonic shadow]

Over 11m insta kill elites so anyways

[mossy solstice]

For sure

You'll get more up front damage off of Airaldi anyways. 10% HSD isn't the same as 10% weapon damage

Or was it 13% MMR Airaldi gives? Idrk all I know is Airaldi gives more

[golden ermine]

When div 2 first dropped, i spent 1 day hitting 30, 1 day farming gear, and was pvping on day 3

Also if u tryna pvp, do conflict during 5xxp, gives decent xp and wont burn u out

[lethal plaza]

yeah but on release there wasnt expertise, shd level and all that

[lethal plaza]

but is it not a time waste? in this minutes i could run open world for more xp?

[golden ermine]

Thats what im saying, all this extra stuff should not apply to pvp

[golden ermine]

Less than 10 mins for 8-10 mil xp

[lethal plaza]

yeah its kinda crazy... i really had the thought of starting td2 again on pc for pvp but now im at a lil more than 1 day playtime and only at shd lvl 90

[golden ermine]

Ye, im at shd 796 and ashamed

On pc

[lethal plaza]

really need to get alot of shd level this event

back on ps5 i was nearly shd 400 but with alot of playtime, mostly just gettting f'd in pvp from crazy high levels

[golden ermine]

I didnt hit 1 k on xbox for a year because I just straight up hated pve

[dire kestrel]

@mossy solstice have you figured out a hybrid build with measured yet? I’m rocking bleed hive and reinforced cover pretty nice with crit and capacitor

[wet badger]

M E A S U R E D is bad

Its been debunked years ago with solid math, they changed the values a little a while back, it still remained bad. Like i told u before, how about u justify why its good

Where is the negativity? You just dont like being told something you havent yet figured out to be true

If u dont want my advice then every time u come up with a question I simply wont help you, this is your option

[golden ermine]

Someone deleted their messages 😶‍🌫️

[dire kestrel]

Yup and I blocked him. It’s one thing to give advice but it’s another to be totally negative about it bro. I asked a question and to someone else and got no answer other than it’s “bad” and I asked why and apparently he didn’t like my question. And went off on me.

[calm plinth]

it was debunked with solid math. sorry man

[red arrow]

@dire kestrel it's a matter of preference, i've seen players do pretty well with this talent in DZ
it works something like this: you give something and receive something else---> "The top half of the magazine has +25% rate of fire and -25% weapon damage. The bottom half of the magazine has -18% rate of fire and +30% total weapon damage"

Today I saw someone playing with this build and managed to do 1vs2
remember, it's a matter of preference, it may be useful to you now but later it may not

[dire kestrel]

No sorry at the end of the day I’m playing it and enjoying it. Debunked or not. It really doesn’t matter does it?

[dire kestrel]

I agree some people are just so choked up on what’s meta or relevant they dont understand that theirs more to this game than just regen builds. It’s sad. But it doesn’t matter. Il play it. I don’t care. Ppl who have opinions are just ppl with opinions. The negativity behind it though I don’t appreciate

[mossy solstice]

I'm guessing you mean Measured Assembly? Bc if so I tried it with Quick Fix and I'm loving it

If you mean Measured Talent, I don't use it. If it's not on Umbra I don't see it fitting my playstyle of having to always reload for the Burst DPS

[calm plinth]

💀

i wish i got your dark zones it must be sbmm

[golden ermine]

Oof

[inland tusk]

Just run sadist OD like normal ppl until hzp comes out

[inland tusk]

That gearset needs at least 80 120% more repair skills on its 3 piece,couple of ppl run it with me,and the heals are not there,Future still best healing gearset IMHO

[wet badger]

There are opinions and there are facts.

People are allowed to run what they like but in the context of 'asking for advice' you are going to get recommended what is FACTUALLY good, not what 'might be fun'.

If the RPM is fun why not use a chatterbox or Umbra?

It's hilarious watching people try to claim or pass off something which is utterly useless as something that is good, then when challenged to prove it they backpedal into 'but i like it'.

Hilarious.

SOLIDFPS & dod-regnbue both did comprehensive videos on Measured showing how awful it is, I've also done my own testing across different types of builds, but apparently I have to provide my sources to a guy that has 163x less rogue time than me.

Literally just do the math yourself, shouldn't take more than 15 mins with some pen and paper.

After all, the game is called The Division

[mossy solstice]

I honestly agree. I found that by swapping to my Ninja healer with Picaro's + Murakami + 3pc FI, I did significantly more heals than measured assembly. I get that MA is meant to be "anti skills/explosives", but if you need to be within range of the hive anyways, why not make it a direct competitor to future initiative? As well as a viable option to pick over Cavalier? Cavalier removes majority skill damage and shares hazpro with your team. Measured Assembly is quite literally based around the hive + smart cover. It even comes with repair skills 🤦‍♀️ so that to me says it's meant to do HEALING. Which it barely can manage to do even that. I'll give it credit, cancelling skills with it is fun. Keeping the team safe from explosives is fun. Keeping them healed is fun. Reviving is fun. But good god the heals could be way more efficient than they are rn

[mossy solstice]

Exactly this. Additionally, my dark zones are filled with constant cheaters or people that just wait around your extraction zone and flag on you as soon as you hook loot to the rope. This is why I now main a charged St. Elmo's in the DZ when solo and keep a secondary AR in my hands at all times 😴

[lavish basin]

I figure the arguments over measured basically boil down to whether you're running a red or blue build? The reduced weapon damage downside will be significantly diminished on a red build compared to a blue, while the other buffs and nerfs won't be. Hence it's far less popular in pvp vs pve. Kind of the opposite of optimist, I guess.

[wet badger]

Yes, Measured gains more value the more 'weapon damage' on the build, & loses value the more 'TOTAL weapon damage' you have.

In a server situation where u need to be somewhat tanky 1.6M and higher with team buffs like Future + Empathic - Measured loses its already low value.

I cant find my document I had saved somewhere with the math all worked out, but if i remember from the top of my head u could have around a 6% DPS increase on the front end and like a 2% off the back end, if u only fire around half or 3/4 of a mag on average then your DPS increase might be around the 5% mark. ON A FULL RED BUILD.

If you compare this to another passive talent like Ranger you'd only need to keep engagements to like 10m to equal Measured's BEST CASE scenario, once you engage at 15m and beyond Ranger is probably your best bet, if u want consistency you go with Flatline but u force yourself into Technician + u lose the underbarrel. Optimist is probably the most reliable option, however if NOT using Umbra then you can actually gain quite a lot of damage from upper chest aim with Breadbasket, occasional headshots yield QUITE the damage increase.

However none of those really matter since the Capacitor got buffed so much why would u use a high end weapon as a primary? Iron Lung is also so much stronger, hell, even a Bighorn on a DPS build will hit harder.

I do hope Umbra gets a nerf, Bighorn, Catharsis, right now the DZ is dominated by these 3 items, and im a BIG fan of Bighorn gameplay so its not picking and choosing "what i dont like" like some spoilt child.

[devout trout]

Looking to make a build for PVP, any advice?

I play only DZ and getting smoked.

[golden ermine]

Ive killed 1.3 m builds in like 5-6 bullets of my 2.1 m bighorn, def broken

[small nacelle]

mods pin this shi

[amber ice]

Yeah no.

[small nacelle]

😭 it will help generations to come

[calm plinth]

why would you pin something with no actual math

[brittle minnow]

Arent the darkzones based on your watch level now?

[sonic shadow]

They are

[calm plinth]

barely, once you hit 1k you’re thrown in with everyone else and 1k is easy to hit

[devout trout]

any suggestions on a PVP build, new at this.

[sonic shadow]

umbra to get used to it

[mossy solstice]

Umbra or Bighorn regen are the only 2 viable builds for PvP

[mossy solstice]

Need some solid PVP Advice from somebody experienced:

Is a full hazpro Cavalier healer even viable?

Looking to run a comparison between Measured Assembly/Cavalier and need to know if a Cav Healer is even worth considering. Using build tool to try and theorize out a build and finding myself forced to Ninjabike for the full hazpro. Along with a combination of other Brandsets that give Repair Skills/Skill Tier/Hazpro/Incoming Repairs/Health. Need some help with this one. I'm stumped!

[wet badger]

You're better off running cav as a bonus armour support, or medkit spam

Final measure I have made as a bighorn build to be run alongside a healer/support

[inland tusk]

Thats how i run mine,i meant as medkit spammer

[mossy solstice]

Appreciate the feedback 👌

Would I run p. Efficient or would normal efficient be alright?

Trying not to lose too much repair skills or Hazpro and I know belstone is only Regen bonus for p. Efficient

[wet badger]

Nah u have to run perfect efficient, try running normal, u run out of kits so fast.

You don't run either build with repair skills, the heals are worthless

[red arrow]

@mossy solstice I use this in DZ when I play with the team. In some cases I replace hive with smart cover

[mossy solstice]

Sounds about right honestly

[lofty portal]

that’s kinda cap tbh, theres’s regulus, there’s mortar, there’s status, there’s striker

[mossy solstice]

True but how often do you see somebody running around DZ with mortar or status? Regulus if and only if in groups. Or conflict. Striker only for landmarks or for stairwell camping with chatterbox. You'll hardly if ever see it in Conflict

The only 2 builds that give quick damage in little amounts of time would be Umbra/Bighorn Regen. Striker stacks aren't reliable in content with little methods of stacking. I doubt Joe Schmoe is gonna let you get your stacks with Striker on his decoy before you start fighting

Mortar isn't hard to counter, just need to utilize a decoy and flank. If conflict spawn camped, just bust out Measured or Cavalier. Or run explo res/sawyers kneepads. Status is the same thing, with the exception of booster Hive usage too

Trying to run any other build to counter Umbra is next to near impossible. Doesn't matter how much armor you have. Only method is to flank or hit em with a sticky... if you're even still alive. Regen Bighorn, hard to fight those as well, considering all they have to do is take a tiny amount of damage and just pop a kit. Stagger would be one way, heartbreaker works too and so does sys Corr. But that's very niche scenarios. Across the board, there's a reason those two are the overwhelming meta rn

[lofty portal]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/KwJgtAbGAMbsNG2U1yBcECMlHzFgMwDsaZKGALAJxgAcu+WWCF5a6wOUs4b-7aJ0L1GiIrQFSY6Grl6DFGEBB4EsfAtVhZqOXZorosEEZQJrpsQkJCURLeUrA30IY+CIFW5dIXMQ5sTckmhAA

this is probably the best cavalier support

[lofty portal]

ok then everybody needs to run explo res and lose alot of damage while your 3 teammates can get them down

[calm plinth]

oh i thought you were joking ab only BH and umbra being meta

there are viable builds depending on the situation BH and umbra are just common because they’re generally good in all scenarios and the best in a few of the common ones. shotguns and smgs are still very strong close quarters. nemesis, spotter, mantis are still very strong long range. skill builds like fire sticky and mortar are very common in server fighting.

[mossy solstice]

I mean yeah those all do decent damage too but you hardly if ever see anyone whip out shotgun builds. I do see Nemesis builds bc I myself use them as well but not taking Umbra or Bighorn Regen really sets you at a disadvantage in most cases

I don't run skill builds bc I find it boring AF to sit and wait for a guy so you can sticky them

[wet badger]

Yeahhhh that builds kinda pointless, zero heals, no cav bag, ST6 without kard.

Too much hazard. Heals give hazard remember.

I've seen only 1 non cav bag build work and it was by the best Brazilian team, it was traded out for Perfect Leadership, they paired it with Perfect Vanguard, that was a force to be reckoned with.

[mossy solstice]

The bonus armor is hard to pass up

Mortar builds I typically see come out when a group does good or a whole team is just resorting to cheese only to win

[calm plinth]

dz south stairs shotgun is very strong

[mossy solstice]

I play that in that area

But it has to be close range. I'm including conflict in the pvp experience as well bc I'm addressing pvp as a whole

[wet badger]

This version is definitely decent, although I dont see the need for the Incoming Repair mods... what are they for? Just put haste

[mossy solstice]

I have this exact build, it's good I love it

[wet badger]

Also you use Revive hive + either Oxidiser or Decoy to sneak medkits up close

[calm plinth]

the point i’m making is umbra and bh aren’t the only good builds like you said

it’s situational

[sonic shadow]

you can still make oneshot snipers, they counter both of them

[wet badger]

Umbra is simply by the the most accessible build to make and run for all skill levels, Bighorn is something u graduate from Umbra into, then there are other builds u can make which are totally viable

[mossy solstice]

Alright maybe I over generalized, you got me there. But when it's 99% of all that's ever really seen, across all content, my point that I'm getting at is that it's overwhelming how reliant people are on them

It needs to be fixed, PvP as a whole included

[wet badger]

I've never seen Umbra do as much as 1 single good Mantis player in team fights

[mossy solstice]

Mantis my beloved 😩

Going into DZ, you see more variety. You have a whole space to utilize. Going into conflict, umbra or bighorn is all you'll ever see. Or status. Most the time everyone runs pestilence

[calm plinth]

don’t really touch conflict so idk feel like every time i enter it’s people just hiding with a glass build or something

[wet badger]

Conflict is just Pulse Drone spam, tell ur team to all go with that with at least 2 snipers, you win

[mossy solstice]

Give conflict a try using those "non umbra/Bighorn" builds and you'll see what I'm talking about

DZ I have no issues with bc everyone counters everything in DZ. Conflict on the other hand, it's an overwhelming meta there

The reason I've been doing conflict more than DZ lately is bc it's the same group of cheaters running around in my servers and I'm just tired of it. Conflict was my other option. And that's worse than the cheaters imo

[calm plinth]

i think i’d like conflict if all i faced was umbra and bh lol

[calm plinth]

what’s their names

i’ve never seen you in dz honestly it’s kind of surprising

[mossy solstice]

Give it a shot. Most those umbra users are using pesti. as for the cheater names, can't quite name drop them but if you look up my username on YT I have a few clips up on them

[mossy solstice]

What servers you usually on?

[lofty portal]

yeah i honestly just didn’t know what to put as my mods

[inland tusk]

U put hs mods and BH as primary

[lofty portal]

eeww no

[inland tusk]

Then u get melted in 2 sec

[lofty portal]

rather have something to give support to team like shock than trying to deal damage and getting shredded anyways

[inland tusk]

[small nacelle]

Use Measured UMP trust it’s tech

😎

[golden ermine]

Fs

[calm plinth]

central but i server hop

[mossy solstice]

I'm US East 90% of the time. Occasionally I'll slip into Central

[golden ermine]

Just ended up in a 1v7 in conflict

Holy you cant make this shit up

[mossy solstice]

I told y'all

Pvp is nearly unplayable on this game. Not a surprise but this really is the state of the game

When you get a good, FAIR, DZ pvp server, it's like finding gold at the end of a rainbow. Conflict, it's like finding a needle in a haystack

[golden ermine]

Nah, i mean it was literally a 1v7

In conflict

It lagged, i was out of the group. Every1 was still there

[dire kestrel]

My legs get tired in PvP. Lemme tell ya.

[inland tusk]

Too much armor regen muppets in dz,i am tired chasing ppl

[sonic shadow]

What's the ideal 4 man stack build for DZ? 2-3 dps, 1 support?

Man these conflict dudes lmao 4x skill builds still lost to us dps-ing, damn

how bad is PvP in this game for real

[lofty portal]

depends on the location but with 2 damage players/bighorn tanks, 1 support and 1 status or mortar player you can’t really go wrong

[sonic shadow]

alright, ty

[mossy solstice]

It's exhausting. I feel that. DZ's have been dead due to the 5x XP and conflict is a circus full of everyone running the same old build

[mossy solstice]

Currently rocking this cavalier setup. A setup I already mostly had except the chest had Hazpro/Regen on it. I could use a bighorn but it's not meant for face fighting. I went CHC instead so at least Elmo's crits for more. Skills, still not sure what to use. Thinking of using foam/seeker. Fire chem is also simpler because if somebody is cover/corner camping I wanna make sure they at least can't ADS. Figured I'd go fire chem + airburst (yes ik airburst is ass but I wonder how it would do in conflict)

[wet badger]

Lol, an Xbox content creator is blatantly cheating in dark zone live, not on twitch, not advertising, calm down tyrant, I just want to report that this is how bad things are at the moment, people are just full toggle, blatant, not a care in the world, no shame whatsoever.

"we are banning cheaters"

🤡

[golden ermine]

Dm me the name of him

Plz lol

[wet badger]

Nah

[mossy solstice]

good god i need this guy's name

[wet badger]

Not advertising, come on now

[mossy solstice]

:(

[neat rock]

whats the best build for a new solo player in pvp, also do i even stand a chance in DZ if im like level 20 or do i gotta play the game like a thousand hours to maybe kill someone

cuz if everyone has the same armor values or it depends on their level

[wet badger]

Err..if you're level 20 you haven't even finished the story yet.

Level 30 was the base end game in 2019.

Level 40 was the updated end game in 2020. This introduced the SHD levelling system, this has a 1k cap to new BASE stats which you need for most content.

It's still level 40 now but there's other systems that require farming.

You can play Conflict with a lvl 30 char but I advise you do WONY, get to 40, make some basic builds, then you can try in Conflict.

For open world Dark Zone you'll probably need a decent expertise level to compete against the vets, farmers can be good practise dummies as u familiarise yourself with the game.

[lethal plaza]

okey guys, whats a good pvp (dz) build for me to get, im nearly 1000 shd and ready to go in. I have alot of gear in stash but no bighorn (unfortunately). How can i compete or even break the enemys? (and yes ik that they are cheaters all over the place)

[mossy solstice]

umbra

[lethal plaza]

umbra, thats it?

[wet badger]

To start with nothing will get you to a killing place faster, than Umbra, we are sick to death bored of fighting it but it does kill, use what works, then when u get more comfortable u can try other things

The game does offer many builds but they take time to farm and learn to use properly

[lethal plaza]

im kinda looking on youtube for ideas but mainly theres bighorn builds. Do you have one with umbra?

[wet badger]

If you filter by name, then by image, use my actual discord name if it lets you, there should be some builds, the others can vouch for me that they are actually top tier builds.

Wait nevermind, I haven't posted an Umbra in here

[lethal plaza]

where can i see this??

[wet badger]

from: me type: image

has: file, select image

[golden ermine]

90% of the youtubers peddle nonsense for content

[tardy minnow]

What is a good dark zone shotgun that could maybe burst down regen builds maybe?

[wet badger]

Either a full damage version where u hold your corner or a hazard version that lets u not get foamed

[tardy minnow]

Shotgun to pair with umbra

[wet badger]

Nah, maybe as a secondary but even then there's kinda no point

[red wolf]

guys im fresh agent here shd 1270 i need best and easy to build >> for DZ i tried build with 1.6 and 5 skill with capacitor but im dying fast !! and my dmg not cool ! who has a good experiance here can help me 🫶 🥺

[small nacelle]

Just scroll up like 10 messages

[narrow nexus]

can someone explain how I should play with a umbra build

[golden ermine]

Go into cover for stacks, exit cover for damage

[flat mesa]

Why am I never encountering players in dz? Am I cursed or blessed?

[sonic shadow]

Go into cover, get max stacks, get our of cover & shoot enemies

[golden ermine]

You below shd 1000?

[flat mesa]

Yes I’m 313

[wet badger]

Use your 5x xp while it's available, get to 1k or higher, THEN PvP, below 1k it's dead dead, after 1k it's still dead

[flat mesa]

Oh alright thanks, too bad it ended so quick but that’s actually how I got to 313 😅

[golden ermine]

Nerd

[flat mesa]

Sorry English isn’t my first language

[golden ermine]

Ps or xbox?

[sudden ruin]

-It doesn't make sense for you to enter the DZ and be thrown into a server with no players
-It could show the number of players on that server
-A fully blue build shouldn't do damage.

[queen pulsar]

what build is considered the counter to this dumb regen headshot meta?

[lofty portal]

nothing really, just lagswitch

/s

you can try nemesis pulse res/normal sniper build, mortar or regulus corner peaking

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwdgtAzGAMYEzxk2LlpQLgKxbQRjALwlVMTMy2EiQSLgE51mKMIA2RKBClljYJ2CwEPPr1IDqUEeLmY4EJtQYAOQjg3g8WTjvWs87KNSPykJDHGBQdYThLSWsVwmGoS21dtRAF2TGQkQA

btw guys, is this the main umbra capacitor build used rn?

[queen pulsar]

damn fr? not good if something has literally no counter play other than fight fire with fire

[lofty portal]

the message below that one is my real answer

[golden ermine]

Umbra, nemi, shotgun

[mossy solstice]

This will work in a 1 on 1 facefight against a bighorn

Just strafe decently to prevent head tracking and they'll die quickly. At distance just use umbra or nemesis. The build I sent will work for groups, overlord has actually decent range

[calm plinth]

💀

[calm plinth]

6 blue nb walker

[pulsar vapor]

A headshot nemesis usually does the job
I have yet to see someone survive 4.1mil damage

[limber cedar]

hold my 2.0M system corruption then

[pulsar vapor]

Nah

[lofty portal]

is what i’m using yes

i can go more reds lol

[inland tusk]

What is nb?

[calm plinth]

i’d say more reds or yellows if you’re in a full group

[mossy solstice]

NB or NBB = Ninjabike Backpack

[tawdry pier]

whos calling

[inland tusk]

Oh 😯

[inland tusk]

Me

[mortal pivot]

hey hii, quick question, does the pvp is still viable? i mean on DZ is it worth to play on it?

even if ofc the main core of TD isn't the pvp but im a little bit curious

[wet badger]

Hard to justify saying yes really but it really depends on what you're willing to put up with.

The amount of full rage hackers is at an all time high, it's a dice roll whether when u find a server if it has cheaters or not, and if it doesn't it's a question of how long until one finds you.

You can find some servers with regular enough people to have some fun with, shouldn't be hard to figure out who the decent fellas are and maybe try to mingle, do some 1v1s or see what peeps are up to.

U should have no problem killing some farmers, that might be fun for you

[mortal pivot]

ok ty for the info

[severe agate]

Hey all what would y’all put together against a pest armor regen with healing hive 5 Blues 1 red 2yellows

[calm plinth]

any build would beat that

umbra is probably the easiest

[slow mason]

that sounds awfully specific

you can just use negotiators against anything with a hive lol but umbra works too

[calm plinth]

negotiators in pvp 💔

[slow mason]

?

[calm plinth]

it’s bad

[slow mason]

It’s not?

unless you play conflict but when u fight against groups nego is undeniably great

[bright atlas]

Negotiators one of the best in the game pvp wise

[calm plinth]

it is

what platform are you on?

[golden ermine]

Negot is circumstancial but I wouldnt say bad, just prob best in a group

[pulsar vapor]

Any of the dz popping today?

[mossy solstice]

AR in West I think. Didn't touch dz been on conflict tho

[calm plinth]

dz south safe house is the only place i’ve seen it used

it doesn’t really work vs good players

[mossy solstice]

They typically have a healer on hand

Or spam kits

[calm plinth]

also because there’s a glitch spot where you can’t be shot so the build can work

[small nacelle]

@wet badger can you send me your graphics config I was watching one of your vids and it looked very comp 🙂

[slow mason]

Pc

[slow mason]

Agree, it’s not something ud start a fight with bet def something you can swap to when facing more people

[lofty portal]

guys which spec should i use for a regulus explores build?

[lofty portal]

precisely on this one

[mossy solstice]

Increasing pistol damage increases the explosion damage. Ditch the holster for Claw's Out and swap the chest piece. Yes I know it's for HazPro but losing 10% isn't that big of a difference

Keep firewall. It's too good to pass up

[lofty portal]

my dilemma is having firewall on my reg builds or on my smg builds

bc of the stupid weapon dmg points

[mossy solstice]

Could fully ditch Yaahl and throw on W&H for even more damage

Considering you're not going for crits at all I don't think

[lofty portal]

well i wanted to go yaahl for hazprot on that one and if i use 1 piece yaahl second one is a no-brainer

[mossy solstice]

Yeah the 10% WD helps. I know claws out gives 11% Pistol damage. Main focus here is reg so giving the most damage to reg is pretty good to have

[lofty portal]

i also sent wrong build lol

this one is the explores one

only need backpack with blue core but i kinda have a hard time getting it

[mossy solstice]

I get the Lengmo piece for sure. Sadly in order to squeeze more out you'd have to ditch sawyers or the Lengmo

I'd still keep it as firewall

You could do survivalist play close proximity armor kits for the team

Since you're explo res, and you got armor, you could run demo and use the mortar turret

[lofty portal]

that´s evil

[mossy solstice]

It defeats the purpose of sawyers damage tho which sucks. Idea is not to move but pvp you kinda have to

[lofty portal]

but honestly i don't wanna get most dmg out of it, i rather wanna get the best build possible for some niche situations

if i need dmg i'll go with my standard one

and i mean even with that hazprot build i still get 1.3m headshots

[lofty portal]

sawyers is purely against the stagger

[mossy solstice]

Hear me out... Don't recommend it... But ninjabike? Use measured assembly since it gives explo res

Not the full gearset but somehow make it work? It's a really stupid line of thinking but having enough explo res makes you immune to stagger

[lofty portal]

does it? i thought it only reduces damage?

i don’t need measured assembly tho, r&k also gives 40% explo res as 2nd bonus

[slow mason]

Sawyers is more than good enough there

[calm plinth]

your take wouldve been understandable if you were on console where the game sense is lower than pc

of course any build can work vs bad players but unless youre like abusing glitch spots in a group its mid at best

[slow mason]

No?

why do you need to abuse glitch spots for it to be good

[calm plinth]

because its mid at best

you need oblivious players to let you shoot them constantly at a far range

[slow mason]

but you don’t?

[pulsar vapor]

A whole turf war was going on

[slow mason]

You just need people to peek out for you to tag them

And it’s good especially when you play against people who put their skills in exposed areas

Of course I agree that nego has less pure dmg than high end or umbra but it’s not at the level you say it is

[calm plinth]

good players arent gonna just let you get value from it

its pretty easy to counter which is why its only used in like 1 area in all the dzs

[slow mason]

The only way to not let them get value is if you don’t peek or don’t group up, I I agree that it shines in that one area and others there could be better things to use

[golden ermine]

Idk, people throw decoys at me when im running striker

[wet badger]

That's a whole stretch, it's OK in a hold situation against a full server or against a stupid healer that leaves his hive lying around, that's really about it.

[bright atlas]

@inland tusk problem?

[wet badger]

Measured assembly? For exp res? That's what R&K is for lol, you get 40%

[inland tusk]

Why? He gonna get 1% more dmg from claws out

[mossy solstice]

Oh damn forgot about that brand lmao

[mossy solstice]

He gets more by fully ditching Yaahl. Claws out gives 11%, and a W&H piece gives 5%

[inland tusk]

Yes,u giving bad info as usual,nego is meh at best,not only is bugged and barely works but u have to swap 4p on/off constantly

[mossy solstice]

You lose out on Hazpro obviously but who needs hazpro when you deal immaculate damage?

[bright atlas]

No you don't that seems like a you problem Negotiator works and is highly effective when we use it so if thats your experience then thats something you need to figure out

[inland tusk]

U sayd ditch holster for claws out and swap chest, anyways finding claws out with hzp gonna be pain

[mossy solstice]

Nego isn't terrible, but it's like @calm plinth has said, console players game sense is usually terrible. The small 1% are good and good players know when to not peek especially if people are using Nego

[mossy solstice]

Read my next follow up text. I entertained ditching Yaahl entirely for W&H and Claws Out

[inland tusk]

Or just run perfectly efficient kits and make nego useless

[mossy solstice]

Regen does the same thing, right on that

[wet badger]

Dont see the point in Claws Out, boohoo 1% damage, Even Picaro is better because that 10% Skill Haste will help in getting your shield back sooner and its universal damage

[mossy solstice]

Picaro's would be a good option too

[inland tusk]

Regulus already does insane dmg,his build is fine imho

[wet badger]

Yeah I agree, double yaahl is pretty fine, as good as it needs to be, being 80% does make a difference, foam doesnt touch you and if demo u are immune to fire

[mossy solstice]

I play crit versions of my Regulus builds and if I'm gonna commit to regulus might as well give it the max damage as I can

[inland tusk]

Put it to 30 expertise,u shall be fine

[mossy solstice]

Double Yaahl ain't bad I fully see what he was going for. I just thought eh, just avoid situations for being status effected and instead just give it more damage. Also, @inland tusk Regulus is my only weapon/gear that's 30 expertise

[wet badger]

pretty sure if u want max damage then u just go 3 piece new set, punch drunk and then fox/contractor, or u can use catharsis and move the D&H, Sawyers for sitting on a corner, a single W&H is ass

[inland tusk]

Nego barely works half of the time, especially when servers are laggy af,stop with the delusions

[wet badger]

Nego isnt working properly? I know the icon doesnt show but i thought that was just visual