td2-pvp-discussions

[craggy trench]

It's not midmaxed but it's good build

[lilac patio]

guys conflict is unplayable with mods on do you know if they have plan to remove this mods ?

[ancient acorn]

Should be on the trello to be fixed now

[golden ermine]

I mainly use the cutstrafe to finesse corners, I think it is overrated for actually dodging bullets

[hollow mural]

whats shield popping? I assume its to combat other shields or sum?

[tacit pond]

after you shoot pop your shield out for a quick shot

[hollow mural]

ah

[icy dove]

Switch the bag to badger and run fox prayers, it hits harder 👀

[craggy trench]

False

[tacit pond]

tell em champ

[grand moon]

I'm looking for a build for conflict ı'm open to suggestions

[lilac patio]

mods sometimes are on at conflict and sometimes are off but at open world are active...do you know guys why and how i activate them on conflict?

[wet badger]

You're not supposed to activate them in conflict, it's a bug.

[ripe root]

4 hardwire, nightwatcher, tardigade,tech spec,6/5 blue, all attributes with skill haste, and mod with skill duration, skill use shield and scan pulse

[hoary salmon]

Which one is better? Armour build or damage build? Armour wise

[craggy trench]

Armor wise an armor build is better

[wet badger]

This question makes no sense

[hoary salmon]

Okay with your gear(not weapons) whats better to have damage buffs or armour buffs

[wet badger]

You mean the talents? On the chest and bag?

It depends on what you're after.

Do you wish to push players, take damage and still have a chance at killing?

Do you want to hold angles and deal big damage?

Do you want to do a bit of both?

All these things affect what talent combos u want

[verbal jolt]

Can you post LFG in here?

Doing DZ runs! Lmk if you wanna join

[golden ermine]

Not here here @verbal jolt there is another chat for it

[verbal jolt]

Thanks. Which chat is that if I may ask

[tacit pond]

get a platform role and someone on that platform can guide you to the proper one

[hollow mural]

Thoughts? tried to make a better pvp based regen thing.

54~% repair skills, + 60% incoming repairs. (holster is skill haste cause rng hates me)

updated with carry + firewall to make me quite hard to kill if I pop a kit and am in hive

[wet badger]

No... Just no

[ripe root]

Thoughts?delete

[willow cedar]

what server is there high pvp in ?

[limber cedar]

Trash build

[craggy trench]

Regen striker is sadly not very good, I would either go regen or striker

[hollow mural]

Can I get a reason why? I don't fully understand. I see people running full blue or almost full quite abit. Whats wrong with taking it one step further and adding healing to it?

Adding more sustain and such.

[tacit pond]

don’t use it on strikers

[boreal jewel]

You’ll get better results with cap nbb imo

[safe spade]

The answer to your question is, for you to know what is you're purpose of the striker build?

[hollow mural]

Striker does better the longer a fight goes on due to more rounds hitting targets correct?

[craggy trench]

I mean give it a shot see how it goes

Maybe we are wrong

[ember fable]

what are some goated builds for dz pvp? been seeing lexi, pesti, capacitor and big horn builds and im trying to decide which to go for/build around

[boreal jewel]

Yes.

Also its more of which build you prefer, do you have the pieces/effort to farm it?

[wet badger]

Because self healing is trash and has been since WONY, almost 5 years now.

Striker is still a DPS set, so build it accordingly.

You have 3 options that are viable.

Crit, Headshot, Hazard. Every other stat is worthless.

Oh and don't mix and match, you pick 1 of 3 routes and full spec it.

[hollow mural]

I guess that makes sense

[wet badger]

If you want survivability then keep perfect efficient, add Catharsis and choose whether u want crit or headshot, if crit you can use EB/Lex, if headshot use Bighorn.

[golden ermine]

Good build, would smoke me with it

[limber cedar]

He is gonna defeat his enemies by throwing the gear parts at them.

[tawdry pier]

Good enough damage

Hmm i shall use scoped bighorn mode when they push me

Putting bullets "down range"

And using "cover" as my "tactical strategy"

[hollow river]

hey, why is dark zonetotally dead content in this game? or only on playstation?

[tawdry pier]

What's your server?

[wet badger]

Because the die hards have been quitting for a long time now, you hardly even find them.

It's really just a classroom sized population on in a server region at any given moment.

[inland tusk]

What’s a good hunters fury PvP build ?

[craggy trench]

Hunters fury sadly is terrible in PvP

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15ZSQxcMcRGxa05SlI3XyaQl9OF0Qorpk7ZYwv2r8YFc/edit

[inland tusk]

What should I use then for pvp

[wet badger]

Hunters Fury isn't terrible, just outclassed by some other options, it can still shine on chaining kills.

[echo canopy]

Bro how can I still be bad at PvP and get accused of lag switching 😭

[coral pecan]

modern day gaming is toxic and awful.
it's what we got tho.

(unless you have random lag spikes and it looks like you got a switch)

[echo canopy]

Wasn't me the guy who accused me had a bad leg spike he sent me a video of what he saw and it was different to what I saw

[inland tusk]

Can someone tell me a good Gunner spec pvp build with very good survivability

Or a hybrid pvp/pve build

[red arrow]

try this, it is a DZ meta build (regen and dps), if it fits your play style then it's perfect

[inland tusk]

Meta is lane

Lame

I just built a good hunger’s fury build

[hollow mural]

there isnt a way to change it is there?

[tawdry pier]

You can you just have to either use vpn or join someone who's on the server you want

[hollow mural]

pain. Im on us east and its dead alot

[wet badger]

It's not dead late evening until the early hours

[craggy trench]

Us east is pretty good when I'm on

[simple wasp]

whats the best solo manhunt build , tried (regen bh haz pro and momento striker everyday)

[golden ermine]

Anything tbh

[wet badger]

Both of those are good options, you can deffo sneak a quick heartbreaker manhunt before kiting out of combat to stay a step ahead against the imminent pulse res threat

[simple wasp]

playing dz now against a manhunt team with a regulus build a seekermine build and a healer - so tragic people cant shoot back anymore

[ripe root]

everything have solution
spam emp to against seeker and healer
then regulus fight alone without any support by 2people who rely skill

[simple wasp]

there was a 4th dps

i would have been shredded

[ripe root]

are you alone? 1v4? or you have team

[simple wasp]

alone

[ripe root]

well then...you need friend

the gap between you and those people, not only skill, but
interpersonal relationships

[simple wasp]

ye

[ripe root]

if you are not alone but like 3v4 or 4v4, then 1 spam emp to powerless 2 guys, worth trade

[golden ermine]

The reg build is shooting back 😶‍🌫️

[simple wasp]

solo sure not in a group like that

[wet badger]

All above average teams do this, they have built up a tremendous ego over the last few years as the competition stopped playing the game.

They have discovered ways to play strong which usually involve camping safehouse, staircase or other such tight spaces, corridors etc with a very specific loadout setup.

If you display a sense of competence even if the rest of the server are full of low level farmers the sweat team will play as if it's the COMP FINALS 2025 or as if it's their last day on this earth.

You can be the last player on the server and they will still refuse to push you without the entire team spamming everything in their combined loadouts to ensure you have no chance of doing anything. For their ego won't be able to take it.

The days of free flowing fun combat are over now, it's just ego fights on a dead game.

[golden ermine]

I have a clip of ovg 4v1 fire grenade spamming me while they had a healer. You can't even get upset cuz of how comedic it looks

[wet badger]

Wrong channel mate

[vapid crown]

Hey anyone online to Play

[meager swift]

The game is near the end many of the OG players have moved on cos of how shit the DZ became , expertise , shield nerf , corner glitch nerf , in sync nerf all contributed in many ways to what is left now

[vapid crown]

Ik

[inland tusk]

Corner glitch nerf was needed, expertise in dz should been max 15, in sync nerf was also needed

[golden ermine]

^

[wet badger]

Huh? What in the brainrot am I reading? Corner glitch nerf?

[vapid crown]

Yeah

[inland tusk]

I love corner glitch nerf!!!!!!!!!!

[tacit pond]

yea that was so fcked up ubi wtf why would you patch.

[craggy trench]

just wait till he finds out you can still corner peak you just dont use a shield now

[meager swift]

@wet badger all these things contributed to the decline in players in the DZ cos their cheese was taken away

[inland tusk]

I am physically unable to play the game if I can’t cheese. I NEED to have an advantage over the other player to win. Yes, I am a retired Dark Zone PvP player.

[wet badger]

I disagree, if people leave the game because they can't hide their entire body behind any wall then good riddance, if they have to quit because InSync isn't good anymore then good riddance, if they leave because of the shield nerf then tough shit.

Those of us who stayed adapted.

Yes Expertise is a trash system but it's all these Devs could come up with, I don't doubt that better systems were proposed at the conference table but the ones calling the shots make the wrong calls, but fixing corner glitch was not one of them.

[meager swift]

@wet badger the thing is the neglect for PvP balance or any input from the playerbase to make it better and rewarding has led us to where it is now , OCE iDZ is basically dead now, go back before Expertise and Shield nerf it was going off all day and night every day

[olive turret]

Players like me who just relax on the game don’t even touch the DZ due to all the annoying tryhard 3-4 stacks

[wet badger]

Just because the game was more alive before those things you listed were 'nerfed' it doesn't mean it's because of those things, I'm surprised you attribute the dying of this game to those things honestly.

Sure the neglect is probably the biggest reason alongside the lack of control over cheaters.

But don't forget that the game is almost 6 years old now.. that's a very long time, people got bored, they moved on.

I know as bigger streamers quit a portion of their fans have less of a reason to play, a lot of the dedicated streamers quit due to relentless stream sniping and other issues within the community, issues that would have been perhaps manageable if the player base wasn't so small at that time.

[buoyant oracle]

I used to watch widdz on YT get beamed through the map as soon as he stepped out the door. Made me skip TD2 on pc originally hehe

[golden ermine]

Like the only streamer I consistently watched

[ripe root]

Not those changes make people leave, but no big changes that able to make this game playable
Everyone have 24 hours everyday only, and div2 are not enough fun to attract people then they turn to other game
I pretty sure most top pvp player, if they come back this game and still able to bully tons of people in dz

[shell zodiac]

do people host 1v1 dz servers at all?

[tawdry pier]

Which one? The one where you get someone to fight you constantly everytime they come out of door or the one where you sit on top of a truck until they're finished and then throw grenade when it's your turn

[shell zodiac]

thats why im asking if there is a community that does 1v1 tournys or just hosting dz chill 1v1s

like div 1 west checkpoint 3

[limber cedar]

Some people are crazy in the DZ, just waiting for someone from inside the checkpoint just to turn rogue on them or wait for them to do it.

[golden ermine]

On console fs, idk about pc

[wet badger]

On console yeah, there's still a couple of semi frequent streamers that do the standing on the truck, but you will never get them to use headshot builds.

They prefer to use the same old shite they were using 4 years ago than try new builds so good luck trying to bring an actual new style, you'll get ran out of town by the gang that still does this crap.

[calm plinth]

how many years have we used the BH regen build to 1v1

[calm plinth]

you gotta be in the discords but usually people only do it when there’s no servers or waiting for people

[wet badger]

we have for a while but there isnt the same kind of scene on PC as there is on console, people get on to do 1v1s and only 1v1s on Xbox/PS, on PC like u said it only happens usually within a div discord people get together to have some friendly fights n shit, ego 1v1s are dead on PC because u dont know who's gonna toggle. You have to force a discord screenshare but good luck getting any ops to do anything like that

[lost night]

pvp anybody?

[pliant birch]

[Moved from wrong channel] Quick request: I don't PvP and mostly try and remain unmolested in DZ. These are my current rolls and items. I need to replace the mask with Yaahl, and make one of the Current Yaahl's Improvised for the extra modslot. The backpack talent can still be rerolled but I'm wondering which one to go for. Any feedback maybe? (Item optimisation pending mats)
||https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/OwWgjCBs7qAM4CsIAc4FgVk2sC40BmKGNAJggE4A6K6tFagFhBvhw9z0pGOgjARCaTNVCjxGXJ055CLaMTIywTMpELFGLMMun65yaMr0cwwOJYQ8m1aPplw5C3iFMYmiSHGKZ01d0dZMiY0ZEoeMERIyAFvcEhlfl80JzBIUB0yZGQKKHtWJHRwJjxdRRBEUGQESBYpIo85OR5gUBRlFAhbHmRbEVLdcBSzBERqHg8gA||

[ripe root]

3 ceska 3 yaahl backfire?
Out

[inland tusk]

💀💀💀

[wet badger]

useless build

[pliant birch]

Useless feedback

[limber cedar]

You asked people for opinions about this build and then you get unsatisfied when they're being right?

[pliant birch]

bad feedback - That sucks
good feedback - That sucks because x y z, What would be better is a b c.
I'm unsatisfied because the helpfulness of said feedback is useless.

[limber cedar]

there is good feedback and bad feedback, both are necessary to tell you if something is good or bad as it is. That is the entire purpose of feedback, or will you show me an improvised gear with ninja bike, wanting me to say: that is OP, that is a god tier build!

You can make another build with the same purpose intended and you can take most of it without having the brand set bonuses that doesn't benefit the entire purpose of that build.

[pliant birch]

No, by all means, feel free to tell me if it sucks but, without going into the reason WHY it sucks, I am still no better off. Without constructive criticism there can be no improvement, as game companies have often found.

[limber cedar]

Fair enough. First of all, you really should use a ninja bike for your build, you are using too many spaces only to get the immunity and there's no space left for other bonuses, also there's no good backpack talent to help with HZP. So if you put a ninja bike with 1 Cavalier and 1 ceska, you can have up to 80% with those 3 pieces (10 from SHD, 30 from Cavalier gear set bonus, 20 from ceska brand set bonus, and 20 from attributes of those 2 pieces.) since backfire is a smg, you can put a sokolov concern and maybe two electrique to have 40% of smg damage. And since critical chance isn't hard to get on smgs, just put the rest HZP on those for the 100% and put critical dmg on the other attributes slots.

It would be something like this
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/KwJgtAbGAMbutE2U1MBcxgrARjngMxpII6LoCckB++ALPecyeoeFIXiz68Pp24le5dPQAcNLmWGyU6EBLBNK1XMDUQ6EWLggz5co+iO8TJkRVOIgA

And btw, you can have the 30% smg dmg from electrique or pulse immunity if you put 2 yaalh pieces. And the core attributes depend on how much survivability or dmg you want.

[pliant birch]

Thank you very much! I'll look into it. That's the perfect kind of feedback.

[wet badger]

Any build that tries to use hazard for backfire is bad, it's just bad

If you want a good backfire build you go 4 striker, Catharsis and perfect efficient.

But this build requires a level of skill, even seasoned PvP players don't use it because it's too hard for them, the ramp up is too slow for them to handle.

If you are a new player do not use any backfire build, you need a build that is impactful from the first magazine.

[ashen tulip]

Why is the dz so dead

[tacit pond]

take note of how no one responded in 3 hours and apply that to the game.

[limber cedar]

I'm pretty sure people prefer to travel/ spend time with family than playing DZ this day

[wet badger]

this compounds the issue

[craggy trench]

Exactly, I'm on a 2 week trip rn

[neat musk]

cuz your fake

not commited to the grind

all these weak men

[ripe root]

traveling japan alone and countdown with tons of random people 🙃

[wet badger]

You should stay in an internet cafe and grind div every night pffft casuals...

[craggy trench]

Facts

[ripe root]

Spec of computers are not able to running game

[wet badger]

geforce now

[sleek hearth]

Is a coincidenze that every toxic player i blocked in the past who was going rogue and griefing with no any reason is now banned, the only people left in DZ is this kind of players, i bet they are in conflict too with their mods and paid 100$ to get items on scammy websites that i reported 4 years ago to ubi and they're still on, runned from some ubi dev i bet

[neat musk]

useless, pointless, evidenceless rant

wonderful

forgot you must have a reason to hold rouge button

[amber ice]

@wanton obsidian You're looking for #lfg-playstation, GL Agent

[limber cedar]

I tried using the ravenous with intimidate and SC, results were kinda promising on a 1v1

[golden ermine]

Interesting idea

[sleek hearth]

on who griefer loser LOL u aint get people to grief cause trash like you and devs supporting griefing made them change game, nobody buying that 3rd piece of shit ful of weirdo no life griefers HAHA keep holding b

[golden ermine]

Darkzone=pvp area

[sleek hearth]

The mechanic of the game is fight for loot, not griefing, or braindeads can't understand that, what about if ppl take or have the loot go into pvp, so we don't have that weirdos spawkilling at the entrance? that's the pvp u mean?

[neat musk]

my rouge key is T

not b

keep having a meltdown

the principle might just send you home early

[neat musk]

go to a non invaded dz 4head

1/3 allow spawn killing. go to the 2 that arent invaded

its pvp. meaning kill other people, there is loot in just killing peopole its called manhunt rewards and DZ level caches

[sleek hearth]

why u guys get mad if someone telling that, there is something very wrong and it's not working on the dark zones and the griefeng that the division 2 is supporting there is actually the root cause of the pvp's areas, nobody telling to remove it is good that some players can have pvp on the endgame but it's not a helty thing on how is implemented, that's all, and about the suggestion, it's not me the player that need to find a way to fix a problem that the devs implemented and actually supporting in the game, also there is another mode actually that is pvp and is very fine on how it works, don't know you heard of it, the problem the dark zone pvp still and will remain the griefing and it will be, no matter how people support it, the majority of healty players will leave it dead unless there is a little change how the mechanic of dark zone pvp works

Have fun 🙂

[neat musk]

no ones mad. your ranting about the fact that the DZ is the DZ. this is always how the DZ has been. you can go rouge at any time, thats how it is. the problem with the DZ is not the fact that you can go rouge lol

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[tranquil nest]

I’m not reading all that

[wet badger]

@sleek hearth

Griefing is fun, there's nothing really better than a salty farmer, I've had grown men sat on the floor dead for hours crying about a multitude of things, it's great, some of the best sessions on this game were all about this.

[sleek hearth]

You're redirecting the issue, like always toxic communityes do, it is about being able to play the mode not fighting for the loot or going rogue, but it's not my issue if some people can't think on teir own and need a group who approves the shit they're saying LOL

[amber ice]

Okay it's time for everyone to move on from whatever this is.
Take it to another server, or forget about it entirely.

[tranquil nest]

I hate people sometimes

[glossy oriole]

I hate people most of the time.

[fierce lodge]

Dz is dz. Risk reward. You know the consequences of coming in here. 💯 don't like it? Don't play dz

[tranquil nest]

Same

[nimble sonnet]

Last time I went in a dz I found the most mid loot I’m starting to think I’m just unlucky at this point

I at least got 18 dz resources😢

[boreal jewel]

Dz loot is mid lol

[ember fable]

the risk is dying and losing your loot multiple times, the reward is getting nothing you want ever

i think dz players are masochists

[boreal jewel]

pretty much the only reason why you'll enter the dz

[midnight parcel]

It like walking a balance beam, where somone else can come kick it over at anytime.

[fluid bobcat]

You think?

They are

[inland tusk]

The only reason i go to the dz is to steal people loot cus i dont want to do it on my own and ill just take urs 🫠

[ember fable]

atp i’m just waiting for ar/rifle rotations so that way i can play for 24 hours and be disappointed when i don’t get anything i want

[tacit pond]

targeted loot doesn’t affect eagle bearer/bighorn/ravenous drops

[neat musk]

also dont bother farming raid drops in DZ

[novel osprey]

There’s no reason to go into the dz. Period unless it’s for pvp. Dz exclusives are in decent. Dz resources are dumb bc 2 runs of countdown gets you a cache. The game gives you unlimited exotics now w the objectives.

[undone musk]

real

[inland tusk]

real real

[novel osprey]

If you are gonna murder them. You might as well rob them too

[tranquil nest]

The dz is essentially the wild west at this point

[inland tusk]

Facts 8)

[inland tusk]

This is true i got all my gear and got it to im content just running countdown lol

[pliant birch]

I'd like to start jumping into Conflict for the weeklies and conflict caches.
Is there anything I can do to prevent or lessen the probability of being a dead weight on the team? (Not build related as that's pretty widely available)

[tawdry pier]

Tardigrade on a high blue build makes you pretty supportive without needing do stuff per se

I've seen setups that use that along with TP and iron lung

Not sure if pestilence fits in there or not

[limber cedar]

Just don't use skills that aren't useful for pvp, (like scanner pulse and reviver hive) the respawn in conflict doesn't reset your character stats like in the DZ, so if a skill is in cool down or somebody applied a dilemma or patriot on you, it's gonna continue even if you die and respawn. And during the match sometimes you will have specialization drops and stat boosts (it lasts 20s) to collect. If you can't get those, try to make sure the enemy team doesn't get it.
And one more thing, the respawn is map side based, so usually the team closer to the enemy team spawn has the advantage, so if you try to push, just don't get surrounded.

[inland tusk]

Does the specialist tree tactical link work in the dz ?

[craggy trench]

Yes

[inland tusk]

it does ? Or certain ones ?

example demolition out of cover ??

[craggy trench]

They all should unless specified in the tree

[wet badger]

The tree unlocks barely have any choices

Get them all done

[limber cedar]

Okay that's weird, I was in a conflict match and some players including me, managed to take specialization ammo from enemy players instead of the specialization drop.

[golden ermine]

Ye, if they have it, u get it

@limber cedar

[limber cedar]

Hm, never noticed that, and I played a lot of conflict.

[golden ermine]

Ye, only happens if they grab spec drop and don't use the spec ammo

[wet badger]

sped spec ammo

[dire rose]

Hallo ) Is there any chance you are going to fight cheaters in DZ and Conflict ? Ubi?

[olive turret]

Modifiers keep me outta the DZ rn

Wonder when it shall be fixed 👀

[ripe root]

Yes

[wet badger]

Nope, considering the same cheater who is No.1 on the Headshot leaderboard, who has over 100k SHD and is RPMing people he doesn't like on an account through the entire map and has over 5000 hours played, what do u think?

Yannick says this and that but it's all bullshit.

[neat musk]

in a game like division I doubt they care.

its really only a problem in pvp and they make it pretty clear they dont care much about pvp

I dont seem them putting much effort into fighting cheaters, not in a game this old

[dire rose]

Thats the only one good game they have 😄

[neat musk]

ubi?

they got other games to worry about

not that they are doing a good job in anything other game cheater wise

[dire rose]

that is the problem they worry about the wrong games 😄

[neat musk]

not really

div 2 is 10% a pvp game

siege, xD when that existed were all 100% pvp games

cheaters matter alot more

and these are seperate studios. They dont really chose a game to focus on

the anti cheat devs and MSV devs are just not working well together or onn their own

I just dont think div 2 is high priority when it comes to improving anti cheat

[wet badger]

Ubisoft should have an anti-cheat department that covers all their games, keeping the game clean keeps the player base up and more concurrent and happy player = more profit through MTXs, I've spent a bit of money on DLCs here n there, other people will too.

Also, reputation matters in the gaming world, if only Ubi could have a good reputation on combatting cheaters it would drive even more gamers over to this platform.

[neat musk]

unfortunately, theres a reason only a few games have an anticheat department.

believe it or not, its not cost effective.

also thats kinda what EAC exists

they just suck

really only 2 routes to go with anti cheat, spend the money and effort to make normal AC work. or use kernal level anti cheat.

[meager swift]

@wet badger they boast about banning cheaters on live stream which is total rubbish , the Anticheat has not been updated in years as the carefactor of PvP fell in a heap one redstorm left

@neat musk look at PUBG and even Delta Force , you report a cheater and within a day you get a message in game telling you they took action against them

[neat musk]

Ok…?

They are making it work, div 2 isn’t I already said that lol

[neat musk]

It’s not about updating AC. Updating the anti cheat will stop people for a day most. You have to have people monitoring, tracking and a community that doesn’t report for absolutely any reason

The AC does get updated EAC does add new flags and patch old cracks, it just doesn’t do anything meaningful without real human support

My point is you guys can complain all day long but you also gotta understand that the reality is this is an old game with a small pvp section. It’s just not a high priority and never will be

[meager swift]

The only reason why people are not getting banned is because Ubisoft no longer pay the EAC subscription fee , otherwise EAC would be actively updating and banning players on reports , the other thing is EAC would also ask the Devs team to patch broken game code which probably looks more like swiss cheese 🧀

[haughty dirge]

cheater or pro? 😆

[meager swift]

As the say get good 🤣

[craggy trench]

Looks like you were lagging tbh

[neat musk]

this conversation cant happen.

please google how anti cheat works.

cuz everything in that sentence makes 0 sense. Div 2 still has EAC, EAC doesnt ban players based on reports, EAC doesnt care how poorly the game is made they just tell ubisoft those limitations.
all EAC does is flag people. its up to game devs to make a decision on final action.

all EAC does is scan and monitor your system for memory modifiers, as thats how cheats work.

if something is flagged by EAC it gets sent to devs. then devs make the choice

as ive said, just EAC isnt gonna stop cheaters. its not an issue of "ubisoft isnt paying EAC", normal anti cheats are not enough alone to protect the game, you need an active group of people in the dev team focusing on banning cheaters, which isnt going to exist. The only other solution is kernal level anti cheat, that alone is pretty good however asking people to give them full access to their hardware is a move alot of popele do not like

[meager swift]

@neat musk So if that's the case then they would have a email full of flagged accounts which have gone untouched for the past 4 years , As for Kernal level anti-cheat ask Ricocheti in COD how that is working out for them as of late , game is full of cheaters in ranked play

[neat musk]

yes

also your assuming those players have been flagged. you also gotta remember, the devs have to now comb through millions of reports

and yea RICOCHET is a mess, they initially built it as a kernal level anti cheat, they took that out, then went back to kernal level

Valorants cheating problem is fairly none existent, faceit also doesnt really have a cheating problem

those are 2 other kernal level anti cheats

for context, when I played valorant I was pretty bad, hard stuck gold. I still have 7 reports on my account for cheating.

devs have to comb through those garbage reports to make real bans

one person cant do it, even a small group cant do it

also your hoping those cheaters are actually getting flagged, cheats are meant to bypass the AC and not get flagged. also there are loopholes that basically wont get flagged ever since its a major hole in the source

Im not saying theres nothing that can be done about cheaters, im saying your expectations for a relatively old game thats replacement is being developed is quite high. PVP is a small portion of the community sadly, there will never be a large investment of people and money into anti cheat outside of the driver (like EAC RICOCHET etc). I just think asking for a big team of people to focus on responding to reports and weeding out cheaters + an anti cheat system is not something we will get in div2. Can only hope for that kind of support in div 3

constantly talking about cheaters isnt gonna do anything but make more people call everyone cheaters and drive people from PVP.

[tawdry pier]

Looks like the ladder glitch
Can see their xray still on the dz south CP ladder

[meager swift]

@neat musk we have isac discord bot for player stat's , it's not foolproof by any means and many question its accuracy due it not been an official product but it's better than nothing

On that Ubisoft / Massive would have access to all that information plus much more that is not accessible through API scrapping and could easily run a stat report and conduct large scale bans but I guess when they see 1500+ players ejected from the game it wouldn't look good on player retention reports to the upper management,....

[neat musk]

yea games have done this

it resulted in a large amount of legit palyers being banned

you defo dont wanna ban solely off stats

but that could give devs insight into who actually needs ot be watched

since ISAC has those numbers im sure ubisoft does too

hell im sure the devs of ISAC would probably hand them the source code for the bot lol

[meager swift]

@neat musk hang on 1 second, you saying don't ban off stat's so if someone is doing 1000+ headshots and hour he isn't doing something suss , even the best reg or sniper players would struggle to do 600 hs per hour and that is been generous, as for isac sourcee code it's not open source , Alex tried to originally but went the wrong way about doing it

[neat musk]

outrageous stats you could but thats not gonna ban too many peoples, its a start ig.

I meant if ubi didnt want to make their own data logging tool im sure ISAC devs wont let ubi use theirs assuming its accurate

[meager swift]

They would definitely have all the tools on player stat's available at ubi

[balmy shoal]

yo how do u even kill players in this game? i shoot at people and their armor just does NOT go down

[undone musk]

what are u shooting them with & what build are u using

[balmy shoal]

Using 2 versions of my High End build with the Lvoa to compensate for my lack of pvp ability while Trying to farm Yaahl and it aint goin well.

One build all red with 3 armor cores

N the other All red

And even getting the drop on people trying to kill me i cant do nun bout it

[undone musk]

most ppl in the dz run meta builds so if ur running anything less ur probably not gonna do much

[balmy shoal]

Ah. Well sht

[ripe root]

not go down = actually no damage dealing
go down slowly = dealing damage but low

[stiff siren]

So striker meta then?

[undone musk]

im not too sure but i dont think striker is the only meta

[golden ermine]

Hs regen, hs striker, chatterbox/ouro striker, prob a few more

[wet badger]

Ladder glitch

[wet badger]

Don't worry about what is meta, worry about what is good. Striker is good.

[pliant birch]

But also wet tissue with full red core

[unborn knot]

Hi, I’m not sure if I’m in the right channel, but I’ve been back on D2 for a few weeks now after years of not playing. I’m also getting back into PVP, where I basically have to relearn everything. It’s been pretty tough, especially with the significant presence of cheaters. I quickly heard about something called an ISAC network tracker, which seems to be some kind of Discord bot. Do you know where and how to use it? It would help me sort out my legit losses or the handiwork of cheaters ^^

[olive turret]

You’ll know if someone is cheating most people suck at hiding it, there’s a few togglers that hide in groups but you’ll notice

[unborn knot]

maybe but i ll prefer to check. I record my game in pvp to learn faster, so i could delete cheaters ones, nobody know about a thing called isac network tracker ?

[reef thunder]

I know the tracker and had people try and accuse me of cheating before through it - in my experience it sucks because it's just a bot that crunches numbers and half the time people don't know how to interpret the stats they are reading

last I heard it's some sort of exclusive discord server that has the bot and you need an invite from someone already in the server

it's not endorsed by a lot of communities for good reason

[amber ice]

Is that a certain tracker that just counts headshots:hour or something? Because yeah, there's a very good reason that it's not pinned to any channel within this server.

[neat musk]

its just a bot you pay for

[reef thunder]

literally exactly what you said

[amber ice]

Yeah, we've had the full details on it before.
Without me going too fully into it: it's not exactly "accurate".

[golden ermine]

Why do you say that

[amber ice]

It's a flawed system, I've given enough promotion to a flawed system.

[neat musk]

im assuming its data mined info so people want to discredit it cuz of the way the datas obtained

[amber ice]

It's actually dumber than that, but as I said: not worth talking about.

[craggy trench]

You aren't cheating you just oxi farm

Wow autocorrect

I did as well on PlayStation it's pretty common so

[reef thunder]

yeah but unfortunately the pvp "conflict gods" didn't see it that way so I had to record my gameplay just to disprove it

someone tried to say I was headshotting through shields and in the clip he didn't even have a shield up but he just used the tracker to see my stats and ran with that

[craggy trench]

People are kinda brain dead

[reef thunder]

it's horrible, they would copy and paste the same sentence in every game we had together just to tell other people I was a cheater

[limber cedar]

Or they just have an inflated ego. Like: look at me having 10 Kills because I'm part of the KOZ clan.

[haughty dirge]

And what does it do? Allow you to hit thru walls?

[wet badger]

desyncs u with the server, aka you become invisible to other people as the last known location to the server is the ladder. it used to be triggered on command with an emp sticky but the devs did finally fix that, now its just a rare bug that afaik cant be triggered at will.

[wet badger]

Just DM me and I'll chuck u an invite, you have to accept and verify within 15 mins so I'll try to get back to u in time.

For tracking cheaters its actually incredibly accurate, the ones claiming otherwise I'd be happy to hear their reasons.

If you encounter a cheater that is not marked by ISAC then you can submit your PoV by opening a ticket and the mods will take a look, often times people cant actually tell the difference between the games stupid scenarios and actual cheats so for that reason theres a part of the community who dont trust it.

But feel free to take a look around yourself and come to your own conclusions.

Once in you can invite anyone u want.

[inland tusk]

@wet badger does it track console players too 💀

[dreamy sparrow]

yes

[haughty dirge]

Is that some specific ladder then? Or you mean the ladder from the safe house? Cos the guy was visible before and after this kill. He was even in a group with others later and was visible.

[wet badger]

it can happen on any ladder and yes the desync will expire

[unborn knot]

I send you a DM this morning 🙂

[fast geyser]

The amount of games I've seen people hackusate because of stats alone is far too many. Because most people are not smart enough to understand that stats can be wrong and often aren't the whole story. Going off of stats alone paints a very bad picture most of the time because a LOT of the people I see treat stats are the same people who act like anti-cheat systems are JUST the front-facing ones (EAC, BE, Vanguard, etc.). The same kind of people that say stuff like devs should just ban people lol it's that simple, not understanding that there's several layers to anti-cheat systems and often many good reasons not to instantly ban someone. I don't want to see this game become hackusation central more than it already is

Gamers are truthfully really dumb and won't understand that statistics should always be taken with a mountain of salt first and foremost, instead of jumping to conclusions based on statistics that could easily be wrong due to us not having a proper API. We deal with enough people who think anybody here can do anything against cheaters other than point them to the pins of troubleshooting. I don't need more people like that who try to witch hunt alleged cheaters.

[tranquil nest]

I’m currently taking stats right now and I’m agreeing with what drib is saying

[nimble shadow]

Hey there, quick question, is there any updated guide, link about PVP loadout ?

[wet badger]

This game already is hackusation central, go to the dark zone and kill 3 guys in a row, you are automatically labelled as a cheater, even by the guys with over 3k hours in game and well made maxed out builds, 10k shade, the whole works.

Alex made his bot because the devs couldn't control the cheating situation themselves, you have players with +5k hours, blatantly aimbotting or silent aiming through buildings, 1-2 mins on all mission leaderboards, even a guy top in the top 10 of SHD kills doesn't care anymore and is full toggle on his main account as well as an alt account.

The tracker is not perfect, we know that, we made mistakes along the way but the algorithms are pretty refined now, it's been over 2 years of trial and error, we studied the numbers pretty closely so you can suggest all u want that the players take a mountain of salt, but I counter this with just a teaspoon.

People do take the stats and form their own conclusions incorrectly so you are absolutely right about that, especially when it comes to cheater boosted accounts being used by legitimate players, they just look for a headshot percentage and run with it, gamers are stupid, we can agree on this.

But having a community resource that aids with detection is quite beneficial, with the ISAC Tracker you can track a player u think is a little funny and if the system confirms your suspicion then it's a definitive reason to leave the server, it's better to know full well and leave rather than sit there feeding a cheater.

If the system hasnt got a particular player flagged then you can submit a report with video evidence and we will ACTUALLY LOOK AT THEM unlike the people working for this game.

Witch hunting is gonna happen regardless, especially amongst a community that is sick and tired of dealing with a situation that never improves, I deal with it myself, countless people calling me a cheater, some Spanish creator made a 40 minute expose video of me and the morons who know no better actually believed him and I dealt with the fallout of that.

To finish, people are gonna come here enquiring and I'll direct them to somewhere where your rules don't apply, I am taking this 'issue' so to speak out of your hands, so maybe just let it be.

[neat musk]

changed the goal post completely but

crpyto asked why the data is inaccurate. how people perceive that data and what they do with it is completely different

i wanna know why people think its inaccurate. not explain what people do with the data which is completely irrelavent

[amber ice]

Is this discussion still going on?

[neat musk]

well when ya post things and poeple ask for explaination then never explain

that tends to happen

[amber ice]

I did explain it, that's literally what it does: #td2-pvp-discussions message

[neat musk]

this is what im talking about lol

[amber ice]

Well yeah, that's me saying that it's dumb, and having given the reason why it's dumb, to suggest people forget about the idea.

We even had someone who either created it or knew who did, bring this to the mod team a year or two back, and we thought it was dumb then too.

Until further notice, consider posts about this bot to be "getting a look at".

[amber ice]

@wet badger It seems odd, having a group of volunteers, working for nothing, who are willing to scan a game like div2 for cheating accusations.

[tranquil nest]

Ah oops

[golden ermine]

Yes

[golden ermine]

You. .are a volunteer discord mod

Pple have hobbies

[amber ice]

So you can confirm that the bot is entirely free, without any paid aspect whatsoever? Including adding to a Server.

[neat musk]

it is not free

also people liking a game and wanting to build a tool to track stats that can also double as a way to track cheaters isnt sus

[wet badger]

It's entirely free within the official discord. but it does have monetisation. obviously i didnt touch on that or mention anything of the sort. i just answer your question.

[fast geyser]

stats for this game that ubisoft themselves pull from have been messed up before in their own launcher because of something as simple as making a second character

I'm not trusting that to label people for anything let alone cheating

[wet badger]

What's this bit about?

[craggy trench]

https://lite.evernote.com/note/e276d9da-3885-ebd9-5354-35b77ed1c75c

[nimble shadow]

thanks TMDUP, any pestilance stuff please ?

[craggy trench]

Swap to lengmo chest and coyotes mask

It'll be on the guide by then end of the weekend

[nimble shadow]

stemcommunity

bro think he's slick

@fast geyser sorry for the ping

[fast geyser]

[floral hearth]

Is heals build nerfed in PVP ? or Does I'm facing more cheaters than usual?

Currently I'm using more Tardigrade builds than healing

[craggy trench]

Not that I'm aware of

[wet badger]

All skill heals are 50% for yourself, the best way to self heal is to use future initiative with the bag and shoot a chem at any friendly target.

Tardigrade is good for team but only in a 4 man, 3 will work but not in 2.

[meager swift]

Just in regards to the "bot" , if ubisoft was anyway serious about the gane in what is now Year 6 with diminished player count in PvP they could have easily implemented their own official stat's bot in the early days no different to what many other ganes have available and used that tool to carry out manual bans besides what would get picked up via an anticheat software , let's hope Julien.G takes a hard edged approach when they get Div 3 out the door

[loud turtle]

I don’t suck at this game, just pvp, how to get gud?

[boreal jewel]

Have multiple builds ready and just pvp

You need experience to be good imo

[loud turtle]

Sounds about right, figured as much it just feels like time to kill in pvp is so short

[wet badger]

Depends on what build ur using

[meager swift]

the meta is boring in PvP , its either umbra , strikers or armor/hazpro headshot

[reef thunder]

i ❤️ conflict caches

had to show this off

[inland tusk]

U forgot bighorn or chatterbox with strikers,most delulu meta

[golden ermine]

He literally said striker

[limber cedar]

I managed to convince one of my "Dark Zone only" friends that conflict is better than DZ, he doesn't want to back to the DZ now

[ripe root]

It's fine for me
Ak and awp are always meta of csgo but those people who keep playing are not boring

So did div2, i think div2 boring because fighting are boring, no pressure no fun

[craggy trench]

That was crazy

[lavish basin]

No witchhunting, see the #rules

[unborn knot]

it's a public info and he talked about that before me, so what are you talking about #rules ?

[lavish basin]

publicly accusing someone of cheating is not something we allow, if you want to discuss with them then do it in DMs

[unborn knot]

So my sentence : "if you're so talented let's go monetize it" it's a cheating accusation, ok nvm xD. English is not my mother tongue, all right I'll know it. I just said that score is impressive if it's legit

[craggy trench]

It sounded pretty witch hunty

English is almost impossible to show tone properly in text though

[unborn knot]

I write his score and said 70k kill and 450K HS and said it's impressive if it's legit. I'm in charge of what i wrote not what others understand.

[reef thunder]

did someone tag me here?

i had a ping notification but didn't see what it was

[tacit pond]

message was deleted

[craggy trench]

Dw about it

[floral hearth]

I don't know how many conflict caches I've lost becuase my bag of boxes is full

[floral hearth]

Pestilence, Bighorn, Mantis, FAL and shotguns builds is what I see everyday

And the typical Cronus user with Nemesis/shotgun and shieldsplinterer with laggswitch

[visual bluff]

you don't lose them. the overflow goes straight to your stash.

[craggy trench]

The fal isn't even good rn

Mantis has been bugged for years

[wet badger]

The FAL is good, its just that the Lexington is better

[craggy trench]

Why run fal when famas exists

Fal also short 10 rounds

[velvet gust]

What's wrong with the bighorn? I think it's a really good gun for what it is. It's a gun that requires skill (headshots)

[amber ice]

The issue with it is kinda in what you said, "for what it is".

It's a fine gun, but if you want pure meta, it's just not part of that circle.

[neat musk]

Bighorn is within the meta circle

for haz pro builds its the best thing you can use (if your not using shield and reg)

[amber ice]

Oh right, PvP, yeah I thought it was a weird thing to ask about the Bighorn in 2025.

[tacit pond]

the dangerous enemies don’t have heads

wait this is pvp my bad guys

[wet badger]

Famas Is a dead weapon, only reason people still use it is because they do the same silly fights they've been doing for the last 5 years, you would only use the FAL on Spotter with Flatline, no other reason, those 40 rounds are then plenty.

[craggy trench]

Flatline... didn't even think about it. That makes sense

I did some testing on capacitor, comparing to Lexington. And capacitor beats it out on a standard crit build

[inland tusk]

Ppl still want to do 1v1 FAMAS??? 😒 ,is shield splinter dead too?

[craggy trench]

Yea, no point in using when capacitor exists

[amber ice]

This is the discussion channel for the PvP mode, to find a clan go check out #td2-clan-recruitment

[wet badger]

Yes but remember the Capacitor is an Exotic and has 40 rounds, You'd run Lex + Nemi.

High End ARs are very underwhelming compared to the Bighorn + Capacitor which were buffed too much.

[reef thunder]

regen build > everything else

[velvet gust]

Regen rules all

[limber cedar]

Sure, the tankest build wins, I'm sure this didn't happen before
Cough cough TD1 nomad gear set.

[neat musk]

imo nomad was never as "overpowered" as people claimed

[inland tusk]

Wdym never overpowered, imagine having 9 unbreakables, I legit run out of ammo trying to kill the dude 🤣

[neat musk]

Nomad was a very gimmicky set. You couldn’t actually kill anyone you could just run circles

And striker was just better

It was strong just wasn’t broken

[golden ermine]

Not really

[amber ice]

Everyone reads things differently, that's why they invented the "/s" to show sarcasm.
Take it from someone who doesn't use a mic: mics are better than just typing.

[mortal badge]

How exactly does haz pro/status work in pvp now? Trying to remember which patch it was when they last changed things

Is there a mechanic that it reduces duration when your hit multiple times with a status, or am I just inventing that in my head?

[craggy trench]

after a couple times you are briefly immune

[mortal badge]

You remeber the patch when they put that in? Im trying to figure out exactly how that works, because I've got a theory thats currently effecting the backfire

[mortal badge]

Y5,S3

If anyone has any details on how exactly the "reduced duration until immunity" works, let me know

[tacit pond]

not sure exactly but after the 3rd successive application of a status you go immune to them briefly

if you ever want to test lmk

unless pve and pvp are different in that regard

i just know that pve ads also got that ability

[limber cedar]

Basically the diminishing effect doesn't have a fixed percentage, so, the shorter the duration of the effect is, easier to activate the immunity from it. The immunity lasts 4, 5 seconds-ish and can even apply to unusual effects like the cleaners napalm and disorientation.

[wet badger]

It doesn't work merely as advertised, there already was diminishing returns before it's just slightly better now, but if u get hit by fire or foam it's usually the first 2 instances that kill u anyway, so it's kind of useless, it's what u get when the devs don't play their game, fancy ideas but no execution.

[reef thunder]

tbh just run around with a booster hive and get used to placing/picking it up when you have a status effect

[ripe root]

first, the mechanic are always exist actually, it just never mentioned, not new mechanic after Y5S3

[ripe root]

Then, I don't have exactly number, the mechanic work like:
If someone status effect end, and you apply same status effect immediately or in short time, the second time during would be short, third time more short, until immunity

It's doesn't really matter with "times" but depends on hazard, for example, if you running 90% fire resistance and stand on fire grenade, the second time or third are immunity already

[sly inlet]

This is simply not true.
@mortal badge and I spent HOURS in the DZ testing immunity thresholds and effect application prior to Y5S3. What is being described here, by Raucey is something very different and also completely new.

[ripe root]

As a people who keep playing div2 including pvp from day1, the machanic are always exist before devs "add" this machanic

[wet badger]

Booster hive is useless

[limber cedar]

Yeah tell that to the guy using full status effect build with the fire stick on DZ. Because not everyone runs immunity build and even less a cavalier

[reef thunder]

booster hive is great and underrated

if i'm using a regen build I can just throw it down before fighting a group using skill builds or iron lung w/ umbra

saved me so many times

[wet badger]

It's hardly ever worth a skill slot, if ur a DPS player u can just use a medkit and go cover to cover, then your Catharsis will proc.

Is it worth 1 booster in a team? Sure but for the effect of cleanse is not reliable, it takes forever to proc and if u stand still it won't detect you so you'll die to a fire sticky anyway.

[reef thunder]

if your build can't tank it's not worth it

if you have a tanky build like regen it's worth it

[limber cedar]

Don't expect everyone to use catharsis/firewall bro

[wet badger]

If you have regen then you definitely don't need it

Regen has 60% hazard so what's the point in adding 20% more?

[reef thunder]

i still find it's better to have and increases my survivability when im flanking or pushing solo

[wet badger]

Flanking? Decoy, pushing? Sticky

There's your 2 skills

[reef thunder]

different play styles - i just want to worry about shooting

[wet badger]

Ok then which builds are you running then?

[limber cedar]

Pestilence build with gunner (not Regen focused)

Spotter pulse build

Health build with iron lung

Melee build with lady death

Don't get me wrong bro, I just find meta boring.

[wet badger]

I'm just trying to figure out what build would be tanky enough to survive a fire sticky explosion that doesn't use catharsis

Pesti - this is a 3/3 build, you die to fire sticky, booster won't proc in time.

Spotter - same thing, you are already dead.

Health build? It has to have firewall so cover to cover saves u.

Melee build - it has Catharsis.

[reef thunder]

ultimate counter: just make sure not to get hit by a fire sticky

[wet badger]

Yeah, that's actually true

[ripe root]

If you only planning to against fire sticky then hazard

Syscor also survive after 1 sticky

And Cavalier

[golden ermine]

I would run booster system corruption back in the day for skillbuilds

[sage shadow]

Just came back to TD2 after like, a year? Is it possible to casually enjoy PvP in TD2? I feel like whether it's Conflict or DZ, it's impossible not to run into lifelong pvpers with maxed gear/stats. I know conflict normalizes and DZ now has brackets, but it feels like there's just this overwhelming gap to overcome

[reef thunder]

i mean if you get good enough you can almost enjoy it casually in some natural sense, otherwise you're going to be clenching like everyone else lol

just sort of what the game progressed into

[sage shadow]

Yeah, queueing into conflict against any premade of 2+ is just a loss. Playing against 1 single pvp lifer is also generally a loss. Shame it's too hard to enjoy conflict without joining a clan and getting guided on min/maxing.
And of course my game crashes for a 3rd time during conflict.

[ripe root]

first you have to realize, pvp of division are not competition , you don't have exactly "ranking" so you won't always meet people who strong or weak as you

The way to "enjoy" pvp are, being really good in pvp, or changing attitude

Lifelong do some advantages, not only expertise because it is not unlimited, but pvp experience, build/strategy storage, mindset etc.

[wet badger]

If u want a game to come back to casually PvP wise then maybe just try the FINALS if that isn't the game you're already coming from.

It's true, there is a gap to overcome and on PC it's littered with cheaters so you have to spend time looking for a server without one or multiple, conflict is a mess for many reasons but it's more casual friendly and has less cheaters afaik.

Most of the remaining player base are as u describe: lifelong players with max everything, you also got to realise that there have been many xp and material farms which if u aren't around to take advantage of or within the circles that gatekeep the knowledge you are gonna be at a disadvantage unless u sacrifice having a life and partake in mind numbing farming to equal the footing which in my opinions isn't an option, you'd lose less braincells doomscrolling tiktok.

[proper pewter]

anyone wanna stack in conflict? dm me

[sage shadow]

⚠️ Above is a scam. It's a link to S T E E M community, not Steam.

[neat musk]

so we cant ping mods anymore

[neat musk]

&

guess thats how we doing it now

[sage shadow]

I started with TD1 and played TD2 for a while. And I've been playing Finals recently.
But I just don't know what I'm supposed to do when there are some players so good they 1 shot headshot you most of the time, and my game likes to complain that I have a poor connection to the server with packet drops. And this isn't some matches, it's easily the majority.
At this point I feel like I have to test the waters: Join a game and see if any of the hardcore PVP clan tags show up or names I recognize as pub stompers. Then just leave and not queue for a few hours because it's no fun to lose almost every fight against the enemy team, no to mention 0 chance of winning.

It's Friday evening (NA PST) and it still took 5+ minutes to fill a conflict match, showing how little interest there appears to be in this.

[north kite]

Ok genuine question. Am I the only one who wasn't seen anyone in the darkzone for the like two weeks?

[limber cedar]

maybe there aren't much player on Palestine region on playstation.

[north kite]

Oh, uh, not from the middle east. Europe

[wet badger]

What's your SHD?

[north kite]

700

[wet badger]

go to your map in the dz, you are in a protected bracket, get to 1k SHD, there has just been a 5x XP event, you should already be at 1k...

[north kite]

Oh...well, I don't know I'm not leveling up that fast

[wet badger]

Kenly + 5x Xp = 1k SHD in 2 hours

too late now

[north kite]

Dammit...

[limber cedar]

Your profile description says otherwise, anyways, people barely play DZ now.

[north kite]

IThat's just my stance on the subject matter, I'm from Germany...

[reef thunder]

today is targeted rifles so you should be able to find people

whenever there is no good targeted loot, your best shot at finding people is in the invaded dark zone or dz south

[north kite]

I didn't find a single sole when the targeted loot was assault rifles

[reef thunder]

it's still early for most people, so maybe in a few hours

[north kite]

That's why I was so surprised

[reef thunder]

oh yeah you are on console

i wouldn't be surprised if it's just naturally stale over there

[north kite]

There isn't cross play?

[reef thunder]

not between consoles I think

only cross-platform like Steam, Epic Games, etc

[north kite]

That's...surprisingfor a game like division

[reef thunder]

pretty sure that's how it's always been

[north kite]

If that's the case That's sad. I like pvp kinda

But thanks for the insight

[reef thunder]

you could try conflict, but then again, i have no idea what the state of the game is like on console since it usually takes like 5 minutes to get into a conflict match on PC

if i want pvp i almost always matchmake for conflict, but if im feeling like it i'll ocassionally peek into darkzones and try to extract camp lol

right now the DZ is pretty dead on PC too, don't see anyone doing landmarks or extracting

[north kite]

The thing is find dark zone more exciting. I haven't played conflict yet because I have no clue what a good conflict build is, but I'll probably get around to it

[reef thunder]

conflict is a lot more fair since there's no expertise and equalized stats

[north kite]

Thr game isn't dead tho, which is why I'm so surprised. It's quite popular

[reef thunder]

so you can get pretty diverse, but the meta is regen or umbra w/ iron lung or something

it has its own very niche playstyle

[north kite]

Thanks for all thr insight! I really appreciate it!

[reef thunder]

no worries

[obsidian owl]

To slow people down what’s better stinger or foam?

[neat musk]

stinger slightly slows and does some damage (none if your low skill tier) you can leave it and itll do its thing. foam stops but you have to aim it

[golden ermine]

"Aim"

[tawdry pier]

I know that if you're a little laggy you kinda have to "predict" your foam shot

Have to shoot at where they're going to go not where they're at currently

[wet badger]

And with that is making sure u foam people as they exit cover, not as they go around cover

[obsidian owl]

Does Global modifier work in dark zone ?

[craggy trench]

ATM yes

[obsidian owl]

You fr ?

[craggy trench]

Yes, I haven't touched PvP since they were added

It's extremely annoying

[obsidian owl]

So they going to remove it next patch ?

[craggy trench]

It was not in the patch notes

Tbh I doubt they even can

Unless I missed them patching it out already

[obsidian owl]

At this point they should remove modifiers and bring back Division 1 ults

[full jetty]

Did they nerf St Elmo’s ammo count in DZ?

[craggy trench]

its ammo count was nerfed overall

[full jetty]

😔

[buoyant oracle]

It’s still a 70rnd mag

[limber cedar]

In PvE*

[buoyant oracle]

y'all trolling? 😎

[limber cedar]

We were talking about the amount of shock bullets

[buoyant oracle]

the word shock appears to be missing from the above but all good

[craggy trench]

I'm slow dw about it

[limber cedar]

well the guy said "St Elmo's ammo". I guess that's enough to understand that was about the shock rounds lol

[craggy trench]

I haven't used Lexington since st Elmo got nerfed honestly

[buoyant oracle]

I just tried it. learned something new.

[obsidian owl]

Is lady death still good ?

[inland tusk]

With the right build is decent,but its not chatterbox/striker💀

[craggy trench]

@wet badger did you see that exodus allows you to regen armor in PvP while in combat

[limber cedar]

So the gloves actually force us out of combat? (The natural out of combat regen)

[tacit pond]

yea

but if it keeps you out of combat if a real player shoots you is the real question

[limber cedar]

I think so, "combat" with players usually end after 10s without you or your skill interacting with other players skills or bullets. Maybe it just reset this combat state but it can reinitiate once you start taking or dealing pvp damage.

[tacit pond]

either way i think you’ll be able to get a bit of out of combat regen

[tawdry pier]

If you're good with changing builds quick it can be crazy
Imagine switching from an unbreakable setup to an intimidate after it procs

[tacit pond]

swapping loadouts out of combat takes a little bit

there’s a delay before you are allowed to swap

[wet badger]

What's exodus?

[wet badger]

Are u sure about this? I often swap builds the moment I leave combat

[tacit pond]

fairly sure

i don’t know exactly tbh

when i would swap builds in like a legendary/raid it would take a moment after leaving combat

[craggy trench]

In pve it delays because of spawn like turrets and mini tanks

[craggy trench]

The new exotic gloves

[tacit pond]

none of those were present in the spots i did it

i’ll go do a bit of investigating later

[craggy trench]

Fs

[tacit pond]

ok its because of the transition period between going from in combat to out of combat

so if exodus instantly puts you out of combat it will work

if you have to wait for that transition then theres a timeframe where you wont be able to swap

[wet badger]

I haven't hopped on the PTS just yet, might do so tonight or tomorrow

[obsidian owl]

Question what’s the best attribute for bighorn dmg outta cover or headshot ?

[signal crest]

For me it's better DMG uotta cover

[tacit pond]

always damage to targets out of cover

[wet badger]

out of cover is about 3x as strong as headshot lol

[ripe root]

I haven't test that gloves, is that actually make you out of combat while triggered, so is it able to reset chameleon timer?

[craggy trench]

yes

[ripe root]

Well, interesting

[tawdry pier]

Theoretically if you could break your armor on demand chameleon uptime could be 100%

buffs are 45 secs right?

[craggy trench]

Yep

[craggy trench]

With 1 blue you don't die to grenade

[real fox]

anyone on?

[limber cedar]

I think exodus is the first stealth exotic in this game, It will be fun while I'm using SC and my true son outfit to look like an npc.

[indigo umbra]

it definitely is

[amber ice]

@dire wyvern No self promo.

[dire wyvern]

Sir yes sir

[golden ermine]

🤐

[glossy skiff]

As a player that is still learning, I've ventured into the dz a few times and had some wins and some losses. I noticed that there are players who, after you down them a few times, they become unbeatable. Thought it was just me so I was watching some friends who are really high ranked and the same thing happened. What's with all the cheating in the dz......if you need to cheat you can't be a good player

[craggy trench]

Read the rules

Also you are on Xbox I have no idea wtf you are talking about cheating

Cronus?

[glossy skiff]

Yeah cronus......they shot me through a wall. How do you stop it?

[mortal badge]

Shooting through walls is not a Cronus thing. Considering your on Xbox it's likely just a lag thing.

What's likely happening is people are seeing what build your running and just adjusting to a build/play style to counter it

[craggy trench]

Yea Xbox doesn't have wall hacks

Or aimbot

[novel osprey]

It’s latency. You can shoot through certain walls or know how to use 3rd person mechanic. You all take so much damage you die and it appears they shoot you through wall

[glossy skiff]

Ok so their super speed, skating like movement and getting shot simultaneously by 5 players and not losing any health are just lag too???

[amber ice]

Speaking as someone who is a connoisseur of terrible internet connections in PvP: that sounds about right.

[glossy skiff]

But it only happens when they start losing??? Seems like convenient lag.
If so dz is pointless

[tacit pond]

lagswitch or something

[tidal brook]

Lagswitch been a thing for all games could be reason why… if so, it’s just some kids wanna prove themselves good.

[mortal badge]

Or most likely.... There's a ton of lag/desync just naturally in the game, and it's the #1 cause for new pvp players to call others out for cheating when they lose. On their screen they kill you before to round a corner or get in cover, on your screen you've already gotten out of view or into cover. It's super common

[tidal brook]

Real

[wet badger]

Sometimes better players are just playing casually, with bad builds or not caring to play at their best. When you claim that you "down them a few times" is this you alone? Or are u taking down a rogue(s) with several other randoms helping you? It can be that the rogue(s) had enough of the 'rogue police' taking advantage of their numbers and decided to play properly, or perhaps even with your probable numerical advantage are still getting lucky despite your advantage.

I couldnt tell u how many times I have been trying to flag up on numerous other players 1v4, 1v5 etc failed 5x in a row only to succeed on the 6th attempt, with the momentum gained i proceed to demolish said 'rogue police' for the next 10-15mins only for them all to claim as you have done, that I'm cheating.

You claim that your friends are high ranked, there are no ranks in this game, having a high SHD means absolutely nothing.

As for getting shot 'through walls' that only happens on PC where people can shoot 150m away through entire buildings with actual 3rd party software cheats, like the others mentioned: its most likely just lag or 3rd person peeking. Do provide some clips so we can help you understand what is going on, dont label the content as "omg cheater pls ban" but just ask "hey guys I dont know what is going on can someone explain" then im sure the mods will let the clip stay and we as a community can work out the issue.

[golden ermine]

No, skill."skating like movement " is strafing

[subtle yew]

I was #22 in the world on Ghost Recon Breakpoint and this was something that was an issue then too if your good enough you can still get the kill but it is annoying that its still a thing at all after all these years and ubisoft still cant fix the mechanics of movement in PvP. Today was my first day on Division PvP and it was kinda sad i just grinded the last two weeks to get some gear and level up some just to find out the same BS is going on in this game that Breakpoint had.

I get its designed as a PvE game but still games like this and breakpoint have all the potential and the worst problems don't get fixed. instead we just get big DLCs. idk anything about game development but plenty of games with less employees and funds dont have issues like this

i had two other guys i played with frequently that were #1 and #13 i the world but they were defintely strafing and thats the difference and its just sad you gotta do crap like that to be the best

[amber ice]

I honestly didn't even know Breakpoint had a PvP community, much less world-rankings, but either way: is it that relevant to an unrelated game, made by a different dev team?

[subtle yew]

mechanics are so similar between breakpoint and division. ppl wanted breakpoint to be just an updated version of wildlands but instead it turned into a spin off of division which led to its downfall the world rankings werent in game you had to go online to see it]

[amber ice]

So: not at all, then.

[subtle yew]

whats that?

[amber ice]

After such a wall of text I was expecting more to it than this tired old comparison again.

Gifs are blocked, for obvious reasons.

[subtle yew]

obvious you say?

[amber ice]

If you've been on enough big servers before, you know how horrible people can get with them.

[subtle yew]

lol

they do be taking up space

[amber ice]

We still get a few people a week try to join with various slurs as usernames, a certain historical dictator, NSFW names or links, etc.

120, 000 cats, that's what this server is sometimes.

[subtle yew]

cat gifs are the best though

[amber ice]

Cat gifs are great!
Unfortunately, there's no way to filter between cat gifs, and straight up NSFW.

[subtle yew]

ohhh ok i see wym now

lol

but yeah my point is i just wish they made the pvp more competitive with an update to the movement mechanics. more ppl would play and there could be modes to pick from and have a ranked mode added when the numbers get pumped up

[amber ice]

Changing the movement mechanics (depending on to what extent you mean), would likely require a change-up of the engine, I'm not sure if a more fluid movement style is even possible in this variation of Snowdrop.
It honestly sounds like it would change what kind of game it is, meaning that it would probably be better off to make a new one, rather than trying to change the current one so heavily.
You'd definitely need to change a significant portion of the rest of div2 along with it, especially the balance for pretty much everything in the game. Div2 is kinda by its nature; slow, methodical.

[meager swift]

Div 2 version of Snowdrop is very old and let's face it near the end of it life technically speaking , what you see in Starwars and Avatar shows it current potential for future Division3 , As for compededive PvP 3v3 or 4v4 iarena modes where it's really at other than BR or Extraction models, As for the DZ is not anywhere competitive from a esports perspective and is really just a free for all play pen for PvP players and needs a major rework to make it highly competitive it today's market

[golden ermine]

Issue of movement in pvp? Only issue I see is a skill issue, movement is fine. Literally decent aim negates strafing.

[subtle yew]

if you read what i said youd see i already said that. it still doesnt negate the fact its an exploit that keeps the game from being competitive pvp

[subtle yew]

and dont try to defend it bc you know if it got taken out youd be trash at pvp all of a sudden bc you exploit mechanics for an advantage

[subtle yew]

Ill have to look into those to know what you mean. I definitely wasn't talking about DZ though lol that'll never be competitive and has no potential for it div 1 DZ was much better

[wet badger]

What type of movement are u referring to? There's various kinds, do provide a clip.

[golden ermine]

That is how movement works in every game. Cod has cameraing various ways and slide canceling. R6 has sheiko peaking, quickleaning. The movements were just taking advantage of game mechanics and the developers saw that and implemented it into the games a little better( I worded that badly but I hope you get the point)

[wet badger]

I think dude wants PvP to be everyone standing still or seeting in da cava shooting each other, the option to fight such players is there, they are called farmers, old men with no game sense tend to play like this, but since I gain no satisfaction from beating on the elderly I think I'll take my fights against worthy opposition which means I might have to actually track a moving target.

[subtle yew]

Try the game Caliber it's a third person shooter find a way to exploit movement on that and prove me wrong.

Ghost Recon Wildlands

You guys are actually ridiculous trying to defend strafing and pretending it's something that's in every game

While looking ridiculous and brain dead when you play the game.

It's ok not everyone can be good at tactical shooters.

Don't worry once I get geared up I'll teach you a thing or two on how to play straight up when I dome rock you crack head strafers

[craggy trench]

22 in the world on breakpoint is not a huge flex, there's maybe 100 people playing PvP? I couldn't even get a game on PlayStation

[subtle yew]

Back in 2019 when ppl were playing it's a dead game now

[wet badger]

😁👆👏

[subtle yew]

Stopped playing when I left for work in Afghanistan

[wet badger]

Let me guess, you missed a few shots because some crazy ass Taliban was strafing in no mans land

[reef thunder]

strafing is a useful mechanic that really isn't hard to "master"

I was running around someone in the DZ today and he couldn't keep track of me and got upset and ran off

literally doing circles

[subtle yew]

Lol everyone seems to just run off in there. I walked right up to someone in DZ yesterday and invited them to my group and they ran away as fast as possible when they noticed me

[reef thunder]

depends on who you're walking up to, especially if it's someone farming landmarks

people call in extractions and run when they see one player in the social tab

[subtle yew]

Is that where all the good loot is?

[subtle yew]

Didn't even know you could see that

[reef thunder]

only if the targeted loot is good and can get you dz exclusives

[subtle yew]

Noted

[reef thunder]

yeah you go to social and you can see who's nearby, i use it all the time

[subtle yew]

Thanks for the pro tip my guy

[craggy trench]

Ahh gotcha, thought you meant recently

[subtle yew]

Lol no I haven't played it since I'm surprised it even gives you an option to play online still

[subtle yew]

I did load it up once a couple years to go to see if they improved it but it was even worse ppl running around invisible and glitching the red dot I was hmm maybe it's just this game load into another same thing happened and I was like ok permanently uninstalling

[mystic fiber]

I stopped playing over a year ago come back and somehow same bugs have not been fixed y bother 😞

[subtle yew]

you talking about Division 2?

[wet badger]

I just had a look at that game, it looks like utter shite, the PvP is just a conflict clone with an in your face UI that resembles a cheap chinese creation. Im not so sure why you're trying to use that as the basis of your argument against movement mechanics

[craggy trench]

The UI in breakpoint is god awful

When I played PvE I had basically all of it turned off

[wet badger]

And yet the UI in div is actually some of the best I've seen, also the fact that u can move the elements around as u please, re-size etc, my only issue is the text that is tied to the map, I want to put the map on my char but i dont want 3 sentences of text all over the middle of my screen

[subtle yew]

Nope you didn't have a look then. Its Russian not Chinese... It's a third person shooter with no broken movement mechanics was my point mf. And it's actually a pretty good game. Unlike Div 2 it has ranked. Just bc the graphics aren't as good doesn't mean it's a shit game dude. Just get over it because I'm done trying to argue with ppl that are brain dead.

[craggy trench]

100% if the division hud had the option to remove extra text and stuff would be amazing

[wet badger]

i didnt say it was chinese, learn to read

4v4 elimination is a bore fest, id rather clean chimneys than play something like that

[subtle yew]

Div 2 is 4v4 elim Caliber is not its ranked mode is basically search and destroy you didn't look at the game and you're literally arguing about nothing kid

[wet badger]

I dont play Conflict, so no Div is not 4v4 elim, u clearly have no idea what ur talking about, no one in here cares about that game

[subtle yew]

THEN WHY ARE YOU IN THIS CHAT GET OUT

[subtle yew]

Go away I'm done with you

[wet badger]

Why get so emotional? Its ok man, some people are ok with tracking moving targets, also I asked you to provide a clip of said "exploit movement" but you cant seem to do so, how can i know your perspective if u cant show us what u mean.

[subtle yew]

That was someone else you don't even play PvP and you obviously didn't read what I said. I'm arguing with a 5th grader

It's not tracking moving targets and I'll still slap ppl that play like crackheads. It ruins the immersion entirely though with the most fake movement ever.

[mortal badge]

he plays dz.....

[subtle yew]

I can strafe I just hate it because it feels dumb as hell

[subtle yew]

That explains a lot. Everyone in there just runs away constantly.

[wet badger]

Being a man of the Military surely u should know to stay in your lane. The DZ is the unique PvP experience this game offers, Conflict had its SHD + expertise removed as its the de-facto casual mode.

Go 1v4 actual PvP players then tell me everyone in there runs away because YOU sir are the one who will resort to such tactics if u face actual real human beings, not chasing elderly players with carpal tunnel.

[subtle yew]

Trashcan

[wet badger]

You replied in 5 seconds, you didnt even read my comment.

[subtle yew]

Toilet

[limber cedar]

calm down Post Malone clone

[subtle yew]

I'm done reading your comments dude

[wet badger]

whats your in game name?

[subtle yew]

Doodoohead69

[wet badger]

I will no longer interact with on on this Discord, If you want me to play ball wont do it in here.

[subtle yew]

Finally

[amber ice]

Okay that is more than enough. I don't care who started it, the next person to continue it is getting an official warning.

[neat musk]

this games PVP is gone

we out here claiming DZ isnt pvp now

fyi DZ is the original and will always be the main PVP mode

[ripe root]

I won't judge breakpoint pvp bc I haven't play ghost recon ever
I won't stop you to "hate" strafe since it's your choice
But you have to accept it is part of this game, just like long range champion at top lane in LOL
You can't play pvp well if you ignore and decline all of this

Just find a game that pvp mode are suitable for you, like , ghost recon breakpoint pvp

[subtle yew]

Div 1 DZ was 100% great pvp

but when i shoot someone and nothing happens bc im not "rogue" that isnt pvp

[subtle yew]

whos petter?

[neat musk]

🤨

your one of those?

no one who played PVP actually cared about the flagging update

you just enjoyed jumping people at extraction

[subtle yew]

of course i did. who didnt?

[neat musk]

I never cared for jumping farmers with zero warning to them. I prefer to actually fight people not just shoot someone standing still

[subtle yew]

it takes out the need for situational awareness.

i loved doing extracts in div 1 being set up and ready for ppl to come and try to take it

[neat musk]

yea you can do this with the flagging system

[neat musk]

its a 3dp game. you can see around walls and under floors.

[subtle yew]

right. but they have a big disadvantage. it gives incentive for ppl to not be the ones to start the fight

[neat musk]

the flagging system never destroyed div 1 pvp nor did it make div 1 DZ no longer pvp

[subtle yew]

i get it. but it just seems wack to me you go rogue and ppl go and run to hide at checkpoint turrets

or just run away in general

its what it is. What I really want is a search and destroy type of mode on conflict.

[neat musk]

that would be sketchy

I can already see the max armour defuse metas

have to have a all red dude

would be interesting

[meager swift]

@wet badger Yes Conflict (and DZ) is very poorly balanced in Div 2 , you obviously have been living too much in the DZ not to agree that the DZ is about as far from uncompetitive from an esports perspective as you can get. Just look at all the top streamed PvP games, its either 4v4 , extraction or battle royal games that are always on the most watched streams on twitch. To make DZ anyway near competitive it would be best suited for extraction model due to the elements in the game, now just imagine for one minute Div 3 dropped tomorrow with a fully separated PvP experience with 4v4 Conflict / 8v8 Last Stand , DZ would be the Extraction mode and Survival as the Battle Royal

[neat musk]

I mean lets get make something clear. Divsion as a game is not built to be an esports game

the core is not built to be an esport

Competitive, esports and streamed games are all different catagories

also, how many extraction esports are there?

the answer is 0

you know what there is tho? comp leagues

tournaments

5v5 objective based shooters with no progression model are inherently built to be esports

bcz everything is equal.

you know what divisions entire core is, progression. build making, optimization

all of which are no goes in esports

look at all your esports. Cs, valorant, dota, LoL, pubg, fortnite, overwatch. No external progression model, no building, no optimization of guns/gear

the only thing the division could do is be a battle royale and lets be honest, BR's are done and the division survival was the most bland BR that was ever existed.

division cannot be an esport

no matter how you spin it. The game can be competitive absolutely, we can have DZ wide fights with 16 people on a server even 32 if we could, that could get competitive, tournaments could be held

a fully seperated PVP experience aimed at esports is stripping away everything that makes division 2, divsion 2 and making a bland 3dp 5v5 shooter

a fully separated PVP experience aimed at being competitive while keeping the division part is only as competitive as the community allows it

for me, this games community will never be big enough or healthy enough to ever be competitive no matter what ubisoft produces. its already plagued with people hackusating and whining

I also dont see a universe where ubisoft takes away from PVE and builds an entirely separate PVP game to stick onto to the main game

[golden ermine]

Blasphemy

[meager swift]

@neat musk You make many valid points, besides the DZ been anyway competitive, manhunt system is pathetic when once person can get killed in a 4 stack and spawn at the other end of the map to clear it ,teams like PHR had that down on point back in the early years of Div 2 lol

[mystic fiber]

Yes, on psn i left a year ago, come bag, nothing changed same bugs, same glitches is like wth they do for a year im confused?

[subtle yew]

they release content to bring new ppl and make money they dont care if you keep playing or not you already paid

everyone on your team had 5 deaths looks balanced to me lol

[tawdry pier]

Lol

Nah it don't

[wet badger]

for SBMM to work you need a sufficient enough playerbase, this game needs some kind of forgiving matchmakikng thats for sure but it needed it 5 years ago, not now.

[neat musk]

its a pretty big topic but SBMM has never given good teammates

thats not what it does

I dont really want SBMM in this game

[short wasp]

sbmm wont work cuz the lobbies take a while to fill up

[subtle yew]

definitely not that's why the mercy rule is implemented. its a duct tape fix for not having sbmm

with a small player base in pvp that this game has having sbmm would make games longer to find and you would most likely be playing the exact same people every game

[reef thunder]

forever unbalanced, only choice is to either get so good you can carry your team or stack up with a squad before matchmaking

[subtle yew]

will it matchmake differently if you have a full squad? like put you against other full stacks?

[reef thunder]

nope

not that i know

[subtle yew]

ok i wondered it seemed to put me against other 2 stacks when running with one other person but that may have just been a quincident

[reef thunder]

i solo que'd from level 1 to 100 and i can say the conflict community is so tiny

same people just different days

there's some new people that try to que up and play, but when they come across a four stack it gets pretty unwelcoming

[subtle yew]

yeah seems like the good and or dedicated players stay and keep playing and run off people that just want to try it out or don't have good gear. i like pvp but my gear is so trash atm so im just doing pve til i can get set up right for it which is fine just part of it

[reef thunder]

yeah i've started playing more darkzone because there's more variety instead of niche conflict builds that are usually just umbra

i've also noticed that people start leaving the match when they see a clan nowadays

[subtle yew]

yeah.. id say the pvp cant really be adjusted or fixed unless theres a big influx of people trying to play. DZ is cool to run around in but i dont expect to actually pvp in there everyone just runs away anyways so you can kinda just go in and do whatever you want. my biggest issue with DZ is running out of ammo constantly when im by myself. i end up clearing a landmark and have no ammo for the extract lol

[reef thunder]

that's why i use 3pc yaahl so i can go rogue without the person running away

🦧

3pc yaahl, decoy, and pulse

[subtle yew]

really decoy?

ppl cant tell its not moving?

[reef thunder]

it helps

it's usually when i go rogue i can just throw it down and when they pulse they'll only see the decoy

[subtle yew]

ohhhh

[reef thunder]

since 3pc yaahl with a pulse mod gives me immunity

[subtle yew]

so decoy will hide you?

ok got you

[reef thunder]

yeah basically, you can push and they can't see your health or anything

until the decoy runs out

[subtle yew]

noted

[subtle yew]

yeah not only bc of communication but making their builds work together puts others at huge disadvantage. i did have some games where i solo queue and get carried though and all i really did was set traps and use coyotes mask lol

for sure i just feel bad for going in then the team automatically gets me as a random with a trash build with no maxes or expertise

[inland tusk]

If they smart,one of them will run seeker or Achilles pulse,and then they can see u

[limber cedar]

yeah but not exactly, unlike System corruption and the exotic exodus gloves (not available yet) that hides your nameplate, the decoy only relocates your nameplate for the duration of the decoy, and the skills have a range of 105 meters-ish, so when you see the nameplate, you know the player is near but you just don't know exactly where.

[reef thunder]

yeah that's a better explanation

[reef thunder]

do dz proficiency caches give recalibration material? i noticed that after opening a bunch of caches i have a lot of weaves now

a pleasant surprise wherever it came from

[tacit pond]

countdown probably

[reef thunder]

nope haven't played countdown in forever

and i had nearly zero chest weaves a few hours ago

I always end up burning through all my weaves since I'm always optimizing gear

think i figured it out - i deconstruct a lot of gear from the caches so it's from that

[reef thunder]

🥹

[wet badger]

its not mine

[reef thunder]

still fuel nonetheless

[broken relic]

Anyone got a cracked striker build for DZ ¿

[craggy trench]

Catharsis, everyday carry with an smg

6 blue

[wet badger]

If you are vastly outnumbered use this

[wet badger]

If your kills come back to back with small intervals then use the backfire

[wet badger]

If you want to kill the Bighorn Foam players use this

If 60% hazard isnt enough then add 1 or 2 ensnare mods

[wet badger]

if u want to kill an entire server of players back to back to back no breaks use this

You can drop obliterate + memento for ad rush + intimidate for stairs or saferoom

[craggy trench]

Big chatterbox fan now? @wet badger

[wet badger]

I finally got it expertised recently and it just annihilates people, its actually stupid how strong it is when outnumbered, as long as u can dodge foams and u are 1v4+ it just wins.

[broken relic]

AR on striker no good ? @wet badger

[wet badger]

The Bighorn is an AR

[broken relic]

I'm not a headshot type of person 😢

[wet badger]

Then use an SMG

[broken relic]

Yes Papa I appreciate it, is armor Regen striker any good, i use to play div 1 so yk 🤷🏻 tryna feel at home with striker

[wet badger]

if u want armour regen on striker then you'll need stacks on memento, othewise no its not worth

medkit push with perfect efficient is the equivalent on this game

[broken relic]

I see I appreciate it any other good builds you run for dz ?

[craggy trench]

Pestilence, umbra still good

Full regen bighorn

[wet badger]

This is a cool hybrid

classic range build

[craggy trench]

No walker?

[wet badger]

No, its a skill build

[reef thunder]

does expertise on the nemesis make a huge difference? I figured that it's good as-is without expertise but haven't tried it out yet

[wet badger]

do u want to 1 tap with 2 blue or 1 tap with 3 blue? i still play 2 blue but i want to bodyshot 1 tap

[reef thunder]

1 tap with 2 blues

[craggy trench]

@wet badger have you tried strega at all? maybe get marks off npc?

[ripe root]

No comment on hazard striker but 2, 70% are not enough to immune 0tier foam

[wet badger]

only 20% lol

Apparently theres a new AK with +30% headshot damage, thats cool and a good value bbbbbbuuuuttttt- THE BIGHORN EXISTS so its worthless

[ripe root]

Equal 25% total armor if always within 15m

[craggy trench]

It has a slower reload speed too

[craggy trench]

It's also disabled in PvP I'm pretty sure

[golden ermine]

Less in pvp i think

[craggy trench]

Can't remember tbh it was so long ago lmao

[undone gate]

25% dmg reduction from 20m pve
Pvp20% from 15

Any1 tried any good build for pvp with the new chest?

Im did 2 with smg and other with regen bighorn

[floral hearth]

Not worth right now BUT....

Next season the shields are going to be meta again

[wet badger]

Shields? Meta? Why?

[floral hearth]

I mean not meta meta... But new exotic smg (PTS) brings shields play style

[undone gate]

For pvp no way

[floral hearth]

I already have some builds in mind if the PTS doesnt change a lot

But as I said is just a play style and not Meta for everyone

[undone gate]

For pve yessiir, for pvp i cant imagine a good one

[golden ermine]

I assume it will only be good for niche shotgun v shotgun fights

[obsidian owl]

If you wanted to solo manhunt would choose firewall or gunner ?

[craggy trench]

firewall

[wet badger]

thats not gonna happen

[neat musk]

part of me wants ot make fun of this for being the most basic and lazy talent you could make but I kinda like that their making simple talents not mouthfuls with niche applications

[wet badger]

It's gonna need something else going for it for example a second ability, something like 'gain an additional 10% damage resistance to targets you are shooting at'

[tawdry pier]

So long range glass is still gonna melt you

More incentive to just stay inside buildings

[limber cedar]

Aegis gear set dmg resistance doesn't count from enemy players, does the provocator?

[neat musk]

aegis gearset doesnt work at all

[wet badger]

It might be good for absorbing mortar damage but usually you'd go for Sawyers for that..

[wind quail]

Hey guys, I wanna dabble into some PVP, what is a build (or few) you guys recommend giving a shot?

[boreal jewel]

Hs haz pro

[ripe root]

Some trolling idea
Smg decrease shield -> active Foundry ->Foundry heal your self

[novel osprey]

I mean. It’s not beta w bighorn foam. Ur a sitting duck a shield

[mystic fiber]

Gtta love spawning without ur skills and having 2 wipe cus u alredy exited spawn zone and then u spawn on enemy side with all of them there and u cant fight back, amd then try hide within corner 2 change build but oh u somehow alredy exited spawn zone so 3 wipes 🤣

[wet badger]

Thats why u dont play Conflict

[stuck sundial]

conflit is bad frr

[stuck sundial]

what is the best way to play big horn regen build im super bad with it while being one of the best build?

[tawdry pier]

strafe until they ads then shoot

though good players might get you even if you strafe so try to kit before engaging and stuff

[stuck sundial]

Because I just get shredded

[golden ermine]

Foam

😶‍🌫️

[stuck sundial]

That one way 😅🤣

[wet badger]

Strafe a little, build half a Catharsis stack then try to bait the other guy into an ADS then counter ADS him and try to track him as much as u can into his strafe without wasting ur shots.

[stuck sundial]

Ty brotha

[wind quail]

How does that build look? What pieces it consists of? Wanna get into PVP so a good build would come in handy

[craggy trench]

For budget version you can run 3 Gila and yaahl or contractors

[stuck sundial]

Exactly like mortar sent you instead I have knee pad gila the backpack is named matador is pretty hard to have only conflit and dz exclusive

[craggy trench]

You get slightly less regen with that version

But it's good

[limber cedar]

Dear moderators, I apologize for breaking Rule 12 - No Naming and Shaming but is not every day that I manage to punch Kamikaze on a conflict match, it was just funny

[lavish basin]

Can't speak for the other moderators, but I'm inclined to let that one pass 😂

[mystic fiber]

Lol imagine going into enemy spawn and then ur skiĺls become unabled eveb after u exited....

[craggy trench]

Saved

[stuck sundial]

@quasi sage since your were taking about him earlier this week I taught about you 😅🤣

[wind quail]

Cheers I think I got the Matador from a Cache actually so should be able to make both of those builds

[wind quail]

Whats the playstyle around the build? How do you utilize it to its best ability?

[stuck sundial]

Chest piece is everyday carrier

[wind quail]

Cheers❤️

[wind quail]

What cores and mods do you use on your build?

Do I switch the health for Haz protection then?

I see your core attribute was Armor tho, should I get one with core attribute Armor, and the other attributes haz protection and HS dmg?

Worst case scenario whats a replacement until I get my hands on a better Matador?

[reef thunder]

i think any backpack with headshot brand set damage and adrenaline rush with the same attributes rolled as the one mortar has

i think these types of builds are just something you mess around with until you find something you like

i have a 3pc golan with perfect intimidate and all hazard protection + headshot damage

[wind quail]

Gotcha, well I wanna give the Matador I have a shot. Do you think I should reroll the Weapond DMG core attribute to Armor and leave out the Haz protection, and slap a Haz protection mod on? Making the best out of what I ahve

[craggy trench]

All blue core, hsd and hazpro

Tbh I would keep the health rolled and put an armor core

[craggy trench]

Pop the kit and push basically

[neat musk]

play around the insta kit too

be patient with that build. play around the insta, cath and regen. dont commit too hard when people are low

its a slow burn playstyle

[wind quail]

Thanks, any of the other pieces on your build that are named/special ?

[craggy trench]

I have emperors, but if you are going with 3 gila it doesn't matter

[wind quail]

Okay so you recommend me to run 3 Gila pieces with either Yaahl gloves or Contractors, Matador and Catharsis?

And if I run normal chest piece, whats the talent I wanna go for?

[craggy trench]

Unbreakable or intimidate

[wind quail]

Okay so gonna try Catharsis, Contractors/Yaahl gloves and rest Gila pieces with Unbreakable or Intimidate on it, cheers

[wet badger]

Don't use contractors, yaahl is ok if ur getting foamed, matador is better but that roll u got is mehh

[wind quail]

Yeah indeed is meh, but just to start off, or would you recommend something else? Obviously will work on getting better pieces while time goes by 😄

[wet badger]

The Yaahl is probably a good bet since everyone is foaming these days and a lot of us are running ensnare mods anyway

[wind quail]

Alright, will give it a shot with Yaahl gloves, Matador, Catharsis and 3 gila pieces then 🙂

Do I wanna roll the Bighorn to HSD or DTTOOC?

[craggy trench]

Dtooc on everything besides lmg

Lmg you want chc or dta in PvP

[wet badger]

No, you need 1 belstone too, drop the Yaahl for belstone or ur very mid matador for a gila, use perfect efficient and keep catharsis

[wet badger]

Like this build, you can drop the matador for he Yaahl and that's fine, but get a gila bag as it will be 10x easier to find.

[craggy trench]

Yes you are only taking yaahl gloves if you aren't going to run the mid matador

[wind quail]

Okay😅 so Catharsis, Yaahl gloves instead of Matador, Belstone chest piece and Gila pads, holster and backpack

[wet badger]

Yes, perfect chest piece too don't forget.

[wind quail]

Yep, does the Belstone named chest drop normally? If i were to set targeted loot on Belstone brand, is it in the loot pool? 🙂

[wet badger]

Yeah

[full jetty]

Am I good or these guys just trash (one of em had a DPS stryker gamble build)

[neat musk]

everyone is just bad

build problems too

you had 1/8 armour and face tanked a full red build on max armour barely taking any dmg

[obsidian owl]

Also low Shd brackets

All just newbie builds

Literally a guy using a blue screen

[reef thunder]

yeah wait till you experience all the bighorn regen builds

[obsidian owl]

I counter those now

[reef thunder]

especially the ones with max expertise on everything

[obsidian owl]

Oh yea

[reef thunder]

i think bighorn and regulus is what i see most often

oh and spotter/flatline

[obsidian owl]

I gave up on expertise i stop at 20

I need that exp event again

[reef thunder]

yeah i made as many mules as possible to go from 15 to 27

but it was easier for me since my SHD is 5k

[obsidian owl]

Lucky

[reef thunder]

🦧

[obsidian owl]

I was going to do that …

But my shd is 1.3k

[reef thunder]

i had a friend who was like 1.2k SHD but making lots of mules during the event, props to people like that lol

[obsidian owl]

And i didn’t gain any value of the mules

Oh

Yea I got bored after 1 mule

[reef thunder]

it was easier during the event just to get into the dz and mindlessly do the landmarks since everyone was doing it

there were a few times where i didnt have to shoot because there was already so many people shooting

[obsidian owl]

Ooo

See I should’ve did that

[reef thunder]

20 expertise is still good until we eventually get like 30 or something lol

[obsidian owl]

Yea what’s probably going to happen next season

30% weapon dmg

30% armor

At this point they should bring back division 1 ults

And ammo box

[craggy trench]

I just hit 3k shd and I'm at 27 expertise

Easiest thing to do is find some friends to help you boost, you can even do all the work and just swap characters at the end

[wet badger]

You don't actually get 30% armour, expertise is only off of the base armour, whereas the damage is worth a lot more.

[craggy trench]

Armor is off the base value for each piece, weapon expertise adds with red cores, and brands like fenris, badger, walker etc

Regular weapon dmg

[keen smelt]

what i want to know is, how can some one tell, Im in a particular area in the DZ, when im running 100% pulse resistance AND system corruption?? I have a hacker who keeps following me around dz to dz. I donrt even engage landmarks, and they can still find me...what gives?

[limber cedar]

just change servers then

[keen smelt]

Doesnt answer my question tho

[buoyant oracle]

Only thing I can think of is if you have VOIP enabled it makes your IP address public apparently. If so in theory someone could see if you’re in that particular DZ I guess

More likely they are just on the same server like ANNA said

[ripe root]

100% pulse resistant are immune to pulse but not make your body invisible

Still many way to track people, like tracking animals feet in wild

for example, i can open map, if some landmark icon become red, then high chance that player right there

If you doesn't engage landmark, it also fine, since "nearby player list" will show player ID within 100m, just walking around, if your ID disappear, then you are opposite side

[wet badger]

Hacker can block you, you then appear on a list and it shows your location in the game. You can't escape when the DZ is as dead as it is.

[full jetty]

I somewhat counter those, if I don’t got shock rounds im cooked

[reef thunder]

ultimate counter is a max expertise pestilence on an all red umbra build

[obsidian owl]

Grr

Alr how do I become a bighorn headshot Meta player

With hella regen

[obsidian owl]

Noted thanks

[obsidian owl]

Did you get those knee pads from Dz or named caches ?

[craggy trench]

they drop from either one, i think i got mine in dz

[obsidian owl]

Ok thanks

[reef thunder]

how much greater are the odds of getting a matador bag when it's targeted bags in the dz?

hasn't felt much better to me

[obsidian owl]

I’m not even getting bags

[reef thunder]

gosh

[obsidian owl]

Think I’m going to just play countdown my whole life now until I get everything lvl 27

[craggy trench]

So much better

Last time i ran WH target loot I got 8

[obsidian owl]

Lucky

[tawdry pier]

Weapons are only worth 27 imo not armor

12 for armor is effecient if you aren't no-lifing the game

[craggy trench]

Run WH in a group you'll get a ton

[craggy trench]

Could do armor with how fast you can get exotic comps now

[tawdry pier]

It's really a filtering process then dump comps into weps first if any left then into armor

But i feel armor varies a lot more than weapons so it might cost a shit ton

[obsidian owl]

True

But I’m still expertise 20

Going to grind to 27 and gamble with named caches