td2-descent

[light knoll]

my goto is plague of outcast, adaptive instinct, and doctor home.

[deep ether]

All right, I may try that. I was using Plague, Bloodsucker & Bullet King. Bloodsucker seemed solid to help keep Intimidate proc’ed since I wasn’t running Ad Rush (just Leadership).

I don’t really see how using an SMG would help, the high RPM ones are the best, and they blow through ammo

[stiff rain]

versatile, means more amp, means more damage, means less bullets

[light knoll]

all u need a weapon with big clip along with unhinged pummel and alergro u barely need to use anything's other than stacking more damage

[stiff rain]

also, bullet king only refills ammo when you hit, so idk what your accuracy is like. i've never ran out of ammo using it myself

[deep ether]

I don’t think accuracy is the issue, I probably was just blowing through the replenished ammo before I even realized I had it.

Do you guys have a set routine when picking Red or Blue cores at the end of the loop? Like you pick Red until Loop X, then throw in some blues for a bit, etc.

[deep ether]

Pummel would a good one, I didn’t even think of that. Hit the spawn door hard and it’s proc’ed fast. I’ll have to try adding that.

[stiff rain]

i pick 6 skill tier then all red

[deep ether]

I didn’t want to run it - losing 100% weapon damage when I exit cover is no good. It just appeared that “Sloth” did not have as many weapon damage talents. Seemed to cater more towards skills? I got a Delta error at loop 15 during that run, it was probably going end soon anyways.

[stiff rain]

it initially seems so... but it has 3 of the strongest weapon damage talents

not saying it's like envy or wrath-tier but it's a lot better than people make it seem

[deep ether]

I didn’t really have an issue with it. The Capacitor’s talent is in Sloth and obviously gives you weapon damage per skill tier. 2 birds, 1 stone.

[deep ether]

When do you usually decide to start putting Blues in?

[stiff rain]

i don't

[deep ether]

Gotcha. All right, I appreciate the insight. I’ll have to test out a setup like that & stop playing conservatively by using too many blues because it’s just backfiring around the loop 15 mark.

[stiff rain]

yeah. good luck. all i would say is try to use cover more, and treat it like legendary

[deep ether]

Oh yeah absolutely, I always play from cover. I can’t roll the run & gun style - I lost my hearing completely a few years back, so level of awareness isn’t really where it needs to be for that in harder content. I’ll just get popped by a sniper that I can’t hear taking shots at me. The Cleaner sniper especially, it’s hard enough to even see her sometimes with that dim lighting in a lot of the rooms.

[young agate]

Ammo economy definitely becomes a big deal down the line, investing in a hard-hitting sidearm helps to an extent, bullet hell helps replenish some, but you'll also want salvage and steady handed in the utility category, lucky shot can increase efficiency too when playing from cover

As said before lower ROF can be less sexy than taking an MG5/MP7 with allegro but it will also help

[ashen bloom]

One thing that helps a lot is using a sniper rifle if you have gunslinger or busy little bee so you can kill most of the enemies with a single bullet.

[rustic bough]

Fixed the issue where completing 10, 20, 30, or 40 loops of Descent rewarded players with Arm Patches from the previous season.
hmm.... they didn't mention whether they added arm patches for the current season

[twin geyser]

Experimenting time 💀

Somebody needs to finish loop 10 to confirm

[stiff rain]

inb4 they just stop at removing the Vanguard patches

[red ledge]

What's the current rotation?

[whole wing]

Wrath, the best one.. for the next 14h.

[dusk niche]

And sloth again 💀

[rustic bough]

Sloth lessss gooooo

[teal fiber]

@stiff rain so new patches won’t be available?

[stiff rain]

no i'm just pre-empting them if they do it. we don't know until tomorrow

it would be funny if they don't put the patches in

[red ledge]

If they do, I'm gonna grind Descent

[dusk niche]

As per usual they don't clarify if there's new patches or just removing the previous ones from last season

[twin geyser]

So we need a hero, who will check it him\her self

[rustic bough]

I will check it on Friday, we are going to do a long Sloth run

But I think that's a day too late, lol

[twin geyser]

but why sloth run....

[rustic bough]

Because it's good and fun

[young agate]

Ever since I did an oxidizer run on sloth I've enjoyed doing that more, beats trying to build weapon damage around composure and overwatch stacks

[stiff rain]

can i join?

[rustic bough]

It's going to be Friday morning for you

Well, midnight, more like

[stiff rain]

rip

[twin geyser]

Sad, that there's only 6 yellow core upgrades which is not enough for high loops

[rustic bough]

armor kit bug is still not fixed, nice

[dusk niche]

Think it getting worse tbh, yesterday twice I had to use two armor kits to get my armor back
This is never going to be fixed at this point

[rustic bough]

oh good. I can confirm they did add in the current season's tier patches

[red ledge]

Sounds like it's time for me to grind Descent up to Loop 30 at least, then

[dawn sonnet]

Hello, my name is Vagues and the problem I have is that I do the Descess to get the Reconstructed Box, the problem is that the last 2 that I have bought have not given me any blueprint, it is a bug, I only need 8, Thank you Hola, mi nombre es Vagues y el problema que tengo es que hago el Desceso para conseguir la Caja Reconstrida el problema es que las 2 ultimas que he comprado no me han dado ningun plano, es un bug, solo me faltan 8, Gracias

[young agate]

I did the same thing, the rest of them are bugged, you have everything that can be dropped

[twin geyser]

Loop 40 again? Ah, shit 💀

[rustic bough]

yep

[lucid thistle]

Loop 40 well, thats gonna be a few Hours invested there :p

[twin geyser]

4 and a bit, as usual

[frank zephyr]

is it worth doing descent before level 40

[rustic bough]

No

The rewards are non-existent if you do Descent before lv 40

[tepid canopy]

anyone can share screenshots of this season tier 1 patch?

[twin geyser]

We are going loop 40 today. I'll share

[calm patrol]

No but if you only focus to get NSA Coin use lv 30 character its good.
Like me, I like descent mode if there's no global event, i usually do descent run with new character from lv 30. I knew its slow but I already get all blueprint so.

[grave inlet]

Im doing great alteady

[rocky bison]

Sent u in dm

[heady prairie]

The patches are mid ngl

[rocky bison]

True

[twin geyser]

We went descent loop 40 run on Sunday - whole squad got Delta-03 at loop 18 (2 hours wasted)

[stiff rain]

bruh

[young agate]

Is that the one where you can still run around but you can't shoot and enemies don't move but you'll take fantom damage, then 10 minutes later it finally tosses you

[rocky bison]

That really sucks , and yet massive doesn't give a SHIP about this gamemode to add soft checkpoints

[humble halo]

Reminds me of my entire team getting delta at legendary zoo checkpoint we had checkpoint and after that we delta and had to reset

[twin geyser]

They care about premium store a lot. Just remember the situation when people got x2 premium credits. They were active as never before

[rustic bough]

What's the current rotation?

[red ledge]

Sloth

[humble light]

I have a question

What are all the talents pools for descent

[stiff rain]

wrath, envy, greed, gluttony, sloth

[humble light]

Ok so what happened with envy

[stiff rain]

this sheet has them all, go to the appropriate tab: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1REi6cA7oSzT7h0O9YD6uxAbnCTmE-YKMDctsKogzXC8/edit?usp=drivesdk

beats me

[pine siren]

Someone should pin the list in here

[stiff rain]

it's for everyone so everyone has been missing envy

as for why that is, no one knows

[humble light]

Aha i sees you now

And one more thing before i go wouldn't it be a good idea if descent has talents pools you can choose or one you can make yourself

[wraith mountain]

it would be better if they deleted that nonsense altogether as it was initially, no pools.

[humble light]

I agree

[wraith mountain]

At the very least get someone who actually played descent for more than 1 loop to rework those talent pools so that we have something that compliments each other.

[stiff rain]

the strongest builds you can make are stronger than anything you're forced to make with these rotations in place

[young agate]

Go with no pools, reduce the cost of re-rolls if they're so worried about too many talents to encounter on a regular basis

[dusk niche]

Yeah just scale the reroll cost to the loop you're in
Reroll cost at loop 1 should not be the same as reroll in loop 10, it's so obvious yet here we are
But at this point the only people playing descent are the weekly audio log and arm patches folks

Bigger fish to fry like closing the door in floor 100 or removing yaahl from the clan vendor

[twin geyser]

We created the build, which one-shotted everything (except chungas, they needed 3 shots) at loop 40 in a 4 man-squad before the rotation trash was put into the mode

[wraith mountain]

I thought this whole change was to force players play different builds (which kind of failed). But if that's actually true, that they added pools to reduce rng, then not sure what to even say..

[stiff rain]

forcing players to do different builds will eventually backfire because they'll find the best ones anyway, if the rotation doesn't allow for it then it's just strictly worse

i did hear back then they did it to reduce rng

[twin geyser]

Nobody needed (or asked for) any skill-related talents, which just stretched the pool but did nothing useful for players

[stiff rain]

which, is like among the worst ways to go about accomplishing that

[wraith mountain]

Yeah removal of that yahl was wtf moment. Who even found it to be an issue? Pretty sure that was intended choice to sell it there occasionally.

[dusk niche]

Off topic but I guess it's to push players to conflict but it was easily 3-4 months since a yaahl piece was for sale at the clan vendor so yeah it's baffling to me

[young agate]

Is yaahl or SysCor even in the pool at DZ vendors 🤔

[twin geyser]

SysCor has been in DZ once since season 1 began. Then never again

[dusk niche]

Regarding the talent rotation in descent if that was an example of them "curating content" for seasonal characters we dodged a bullet

[trail crow]

Has it just been stuck on sloth over and over again?

[heady prairie]

no

[young agate]

Sure feels like it 🙃

[rustic bough]

The last 3 rotations so far have been Sloth-Greed-Sloth

What a blessing for me and @stiff rain

[red ledge]

I've been enjoying Greed rotation as well

[rustic bough]

Sloth for us lol

[rustic bough]

we just got to loop 40 with Sloth
almost 6 hours

[heady prairie]

why is the max for talent 10 it wasnt like that

[rocky bison]

still Sloth?

[rustic bough]

always has been

yes

[rocky bison]

damn

[twin geyser]

planning a run to loop 40 on Saturday, wish me luck

[stiff rain]

hoping it's a decent rotation for you

[twin geyser]

same or we'll cancel the run

[icy pebble]

new player, just wanting to run some descent if anyone's feeling it right now

[twin geyser]

When does rotation change, remind me, please

[wraith mountain]

Wtf, sloth once again ended and we're back to greed just the same.

[rocky bison]

wth

[twin geyser]

Bruh

[rustic bough]

Playing Sloth makes me realise just how shit Greed is

[mighty tartan]

Damn, I got a Nemesis with healing chem

infinite sustain on like a 5 second cooldown 💀

each use brings its health back to max, so cheap

[young agate]

Agreed, they seem to have skill tier 6 regardless of whether you've taken any skill tiers

Did you have healing chem too?

[stiff rain]

npcs have never copied anyone's skill tiers

just the skills

so you going skill tier 6 or not doesn't matter, it only matters if they hack your skills

[young agate]

Suppose that's the devs way of leveling the playing field in lieu of the nemesis not having our talents

[rustic bough]

We need more rotations like Sloth. I.e. more rotations with high skill ceilings

[earnest acorn]

Instead of more rotations we need checkpoints so we will not waste hours for nothing because of a crash.....just waisted 2 hours for nothing,crashed at loop 19...pffff

[mighty tartan]

nope, apparently Nemesis can decide to use better or random skills from the player

A nemesis did carry decoy one time, which was great for me

[maiden canyon]

What's the current rotation?

[cyan totem]

Greed for at least a lil longer I think

Greed 22hrs

[tepid canopy]

watch getting sloth again or gluttony on the reset 💀

[twin geyser]

Wrath is a dream ...

[twin geyser]

Who said that?

[placid niche]

Where is the Envy Roation? Haven't seen it for Years.

[cyan totem]

when we needed it most, it vanished.

but fr it's been gone since the season update I believe.

[red ledge]

Current rotation is Wrath

[twin geyser]

Of course it just can't be at the weekend

[young agate]

Wouldn't it be great if you picked your talent pool from 3 options at the beginning of a run just like you pick a weapon and skill

And then maybe they could incentivize the use of different talent pools in some way, maybe tie some achievements to each one

[rustic bough]

Like a "get to loop 40 on every rotation" commendation?

[young agate]

I was thinking separate commendations for the different pools

[rustic bough]

I was mucking around

[stiff rain]

gluttony loop 40

[rustic bough]

Now that would be the real challenge

I've done it on Sloth, Envy and Wrath now

[stiff rain]

could do on greed next

[young agate]

How long do those runs usually take?

[cyan totem]

5ish hours I think

[dusk niche]

Does anyone actually equip those tier 1 patches

[rustic bough]

Yeah

I like to flex on my fellow descent friends

[young agate]

You would 🤣

[rocky bison]

Not really

for a week max

[wraith mountain]

People just farm them to own them.

[humble halo]

You can't flex them if people don't know what they are 🤪

[young agate]

🤣

[rustic bough]

until they ask about it (hope they have a severe case of FOMO)

[humble halo]

I will never ask until i get a carry

[dusk niche]

And of course new rotation is 🦥

[twin geyser]

When will it change?

[dusk niche]

It started today so 3 days

[twin geyser]

Thanks for another ruined weekend run.... why these clowns can't just allow picking the rotation ourselves?

[rustic bough]

@stiff rain yoo it's sloth again

[stiff rain]

YOOOOOOO

[rustic bough]

their pain is our gain, lmao

[red ledge]

May I join you two in this? I love Sloth as well

[stiff rain]

we might do a run tomorrow

[twin geyser]

besides giggles, what's your sloth meta?

[rustic bough]

what do you mean

like weapon and talent preferences?

[stiff rain]

intimidate versatile gunslinger are our 3 core talents, then it can be a bit flexible

in terms of exotics, blb and chatterbox are must picks, then the 3rd is up to preference, i use disruptor rounds for the extra CC

shotgun and smg for main weapons

[twin geyser]

yeap

I avoid sloth mostly because of lack of exotics like Breathe Free / Adaptive Instincts. Chatterbox is good, BLB is fine tho, but everything else... I don't know

Also no mag extension yellow talents

[rustic bough]

Exotics: BLB, Incessant Chatter, Liberty or Death
Reds: Intimidate, Versatile, Gunslinger, Composure, Allegro, Surgical
Blues: Leadership, Ad Rush, Preservation, Clutch
Yellows: Surge, Empowered, Optimized
Weapons: MP7, Super 90, Magnum
Skills: Revive Hive, Shock Trap

[stiff rain]

the key is making sure you have high base damage so you kill in fewer bullets, which makes chatterbox work better

it's going to be tough but eventually you won't need to reload as much

[twin geyser]

I know, we played on sloth once. Stacking Gunslinger + Versatile should be identical, so both bonuses work the same amount of time

[stiff rain]

without any crit damage talents you're going to be stuck at 25% crit damage only though. surgical may be replaced?

[rustic bough]

the crit's to proc Clutch

[stiff rain]

oh

[young agate]

It's a good thing there aren't enough blue talents to rotate them, dunno what I'd do without that prezzy 🤣

[stiff rain]

and surge is my fav thing about sloth. i get to spam sticky emp so much

[rustic bough]

and get revived every 90 seconds

[red ledge]

You're best asking this in an LFG channel. Failing that, try the GCROCK Discord

[misty ferry]

Sending everywhere lol

[mighty tartan]

are bluprints not dropping from nemesis?

[stiff rain]

they drop from reconstructed caches

nemesis has 50% chance to give you one, but you have to get out of descent to see if you got it

[jolly cave]

Only post it in the right place from now on.

[mighty tartan]

yeah havent gotten recon caches all month

[deep ether]

I’m not 100% sure what you’re asking (English is not native for me, it’s not your fault), so I’ll answer in 2 ways. If you stop getting Blueprints from the Reconstructed caches, it means you have all the blueprints you’re able to get from them.

If you are meaning to say that you are not getting Reconstructed Caches after defeating the Nemesis, that’s all RNG. I know it says 50% chance but it could be a 90% chance and RNG could still deliver nothing. I rarely got them after beating the Nemesis - I relied on the “Random Boss” rooms for the NSA credits mainly to buy them from Wally.

[shy quail]

what loop rouges starts appearing much more frequently on Hard?

[deep ether]

25 is when their spawn rate rises quite a bit, getting them multiple times in a row is not uncommon. They can appear during 15-24 but less frequently.

[rustic bough]

we just had 2 rogues spawn in a row at loop 16

[deep ether]

Cool man. That’s RNG. They wanted to know when the spawn rate gets the sharp increase, and the answer is 25.

[rustic bough]

and they can actually appear as early as loop 10

[shy quail]

I know that at a certain point its like a 50% chance for rouge in high loops

Just wanted to know if I should just hunt for rouges after nemesis

[deep ether]

“Random Boss” and Rogue Agent rooms are pretty much a god send at the later loops. The main thing is that you’ll have to pick all hard rooms (and later on, that’ll be your only option anyways) in order to actively hunt for Rogues. The 3 wave Hard rooms can get pretty crazy if you fail to get a Rogue spawn. Just have to decide where your risk tolerance falls & your confidence in your build.

[rustic bough]

only if you feel confident

no point dying in early loops because you're underprepared

[shy quail]

Im always confident until i make a mistake

[red ledge]

That should be a motto

[mighty tartan]

Oh yeah the boss rooms, I’ll farm those

[deep ether]

You can’t really farm them, since their appearance is completely random. You could run 20 loops and see zero, or you could get 4 in a row in loop 8, like I did a couple days ago. Best practice is to just pick them when/if they come up, they are a nice break from the 3 enemy waves at higher waves.

[mighty tartan]

Oh

I just rush to Nemesis nowadays

Cause even 4 loops takes a good amount of time

[twin geyser]

25 mins usually

[deep ether]

That will change as you learn & memorize room layouts, etc. Especially the rooms with hazards (electrical is the main one that can cause issues), knowing where you can & can’t go, then those rooms essentially become free CC for you because the NPCs pay no attention to the fire, poison, etc.

[mighty tartan]

Depends on what the current talent pool is too

[twin geyser]

What's the current pool, by the way?

[deep ether]

Wrath

[twin geyser]

Can't believe my luck, thanks mate

[deep ether]

No problem. I believe last few have been Wrath & Sloth alternating. Been a couple weeks I think since I’ve seen any of the others.

[twin geyser]

It means that we can plan our run today - it's one of the best sets for our party)

[stiff rain]

nice

[deep ether]

I like the exotics for Wrath definitely, some of the best. The utility talents - I feel like there’s too much redundancy there, multiple talents that more or less do the same thing/solve the same problem. I.e “Lucky Shot” & “Extra”.

[stiff rain]

lucky shot does more than extra actually. it applies to chem launcher too

as in missing shots from cover with chem will refund the shot. now imagine that with riot foam where you will always miss (because you're foaming the aoe instead of direct hitting the enemy), you get the charge back as long as you shoot from cover

[twin geyser]

I'd better skip it in favour of vindicative (because we have bullet hell) to have more chc / chd

[cyan totem]

That’s nuts

[stiff rain]

yeah just some fyi. if using bullet hell they're mostly redundant anyway

[cyan totem]

Yeah 100%

[twin geyser]

Can you please drop me google spreadsheet with all talent upgrades 1-10 levels? I remember, there was one

[stiff rain]

let me find it

[twin geyser]

[stiff rain]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1REi6cA7oSzT7h0O9YD6uxAbnCTmE-YKMDctsKogzXC8/edit?usp=drivesdk

it's the first few tabs

[twin geyser]

Appreciate a lot, mate

[deep ether]

Yeah I noticed that on the last rotation. I thought it was a bug but it made sense I suppose. But that’s what I mean by redundant - there’s literally no reason to pick “Extra” over “Lucky Shot”. It does everything Extra does, plus more.

[stiff rain]

yeah which i get. extra was just a relic because before wony it's the only "extra bullets in mag" talent

[twin geyser]

4:31 - loop 40 completed 👌 😁 👍

[stiff rain]

nice

[twin geyser]

Can't believe we're still sane after getting tier 1 in every season since they were introduced

[deep ether]

You reached Loop 40 in 4.5 hours?

[stiff rain]

it's not unheard of

with the right builds in 4 man, it's quite fast

[deep ether]

Even so, that is quite impressive

[stiff rain]

I'm just complacent i got my arm patch from sloth

[twin geyser]

Yeap. 2 of us are responsible for the build making (usually it's me and one of my buddies) and other 2 are good at listening to WHY exactly this build works so they don't experiment on the go 🙂
We don't waste time at the terminals (10 sec max for talent choosing) and usually have not more than two 5-min breaks. That's the secret 🙂

[fast inlet]

Hey all I had a question what is descent and how does it work?

[red ledge]

It's a rogue-like mode. You start out without any of your gear and fight off simulated hostiles in each room to get a red/blue/yellow talent

There's also the NSA terminal which you can buy permanent small upgrades

[twin geyser]

Would be cool to have some additional permanent upgrades to the ones we already have. I'm 58k spare NSA tech and have no idea what to spend them on

[young agate]

193 vindicators clearly 🤣

But for real though sounds lime you've got a quick source of exotic components through exotic caches

[twin geyser]

I do, but no real need, tbh)

[stiff rain]

could use some of those right about now, need to +26 achilles

[deep ether]

I just noticed that the Boiler room at NSA lab has 5 spawn doors. Must be recent? I don’t recall that at all

[rustic bough]

has always been

On Hard rooms, all doors are marked, but enemies don't come out of all of them until at least loop 16

[stiff rain]

so knowledgeable

[deep ether]

Yes, I’m aware of that. That has nothing to do with what I said. Every room has 4 and Boiler randomly has 5, just seemed odd to me so I made an observation. I wasn’t asking for advice.

[young agate]

hmm, never thought about it but I think you're right, outside of the boss rooms obviously

[deep ether]

Yeah I just thought it was a bit odd, oversight possibly. I will be thankful that the extra door ended up in Boiler instead of Security though.

[young agate]

It's weird too because they could probably have done away with one of the upstairs doors that are kinda close

[deep ether]

Those were my thoughts as well, which makes me think it’s a mistake even more.

[young agate]

That whole room is chaos anyway

[ashen bloom]

Also, I think it is weird that we have doors at the nemesis boss room, I mean, they're gonna teleport spawn like hunters so why there are doors there?

[cyan totem]

For the cleaning crew?

[wraith mountain]

Technically hunters don't teleport, they use stealth tech.

[vocal hull]

They didn’t add the nemesis arm patch? Only the 10,20,30,40 loops?

[twin geyser]

Added, but you need to kill him after loop 8

[dusk niche]

Fun is over, gluttony is the new rotation

[deep ether]

Yep. That’s usually my cue to take a break from Descent for 3 days.

[teal fiber]

@deep ether what are the good days? Which rotations?

[tepid canopy]

wrath and envy imo

[rustic bough]

and Sloth

right @stiff rain ?

[stiff rain]

yeee

i want greed too

[deep ether]

^ What they said, the other 4 talent pools have much better options. Gluttony is an odd mixture of talents that have very little synergy amongst them (and by far the worst Utility talent selection). Best I could really come up with was centering the build on Agonizing Bite/Busy Little Bee/Opportunistic - tag NPC with shotgun, swap to primary, hope Agonizing Bite marks an NPC you tagged with Opportunistic, and empty the mag. It really wasn’t too fun, too much micromanaging.

[red ledge]

First, get a role, then ask in the lfg channel

Second, you'll have better luck asking in the community discord or GCRock discord

[young agate]

With gluttony, I really just try to build composure and overwatch and do my best to fight from cover

[jolly cave]

@wintry gorge You're looking for uh, well you actually need to pick your role in id:customize first, but after that make sure you post this again in the LFG channel for your platform.

[wintry gorge]

right okay thanks i just did that now

do i post it now again?

[jolly cave]

You've posted in #lfg-pc which is the perfect spot, gl Agent

[wintry gorge]

cool thanks so much

[mighty tartan]

How many NSA points do you get per boss room? Not Arena bosss

[young agate]

You mean random boss rooms?

[deep ether]

It varies depending on what loop you’re on. Further in, the more you get. I think it starts around 35 and slowly goes up, it’s hard to say because I rarely see them before Nemesis fight. 60 around loop 20 if I’m remembering correctly.

[rustic bough]

There's a formula for it. It's roughly
[Loop Number]*2+11
I'll double check when I get to my PC

[deep ether]

I’m on Loop 3 right now and just happened to get a random boss room. 24 NSA Tech is the payout. This is probably the earliest I’ve ever seen one.

Loop 7 - 35 NSA Tech for boss room.

[rustic bough]

lol if you want a real nerdy answer it's
[Loop Number]*2.73+15.5

[stiff rain]

huh

[rustic bough]

i did the maffs sir

actually no Excel did the maffs

[deep ether]

Nice, that works. I am filling in this semester for another professor so I have 2 math classes I’m teaching, I should have given the class these numbers and had them figure out the formula.

[rustic bough]

Evil

Typical substitute teacher moment

[deep ether]

Do any of you make lists (physical or just mentally) of certain rooms that you want to completely avoid at a certain point due to the layout being real tough to deal with?

[rustic bough]

definitely.

as a seasoned Descent enjoyer, I know which rooms to take, which rooms to completely avoid, and which rooms are wildcards. In the bunker tile, there is a "path" that I like to follow.

[stiff rain]

yeah early on you can't afford to be picky, but you eventually can when your core red talents are strong enough

[deep ether]

Nice, I figured you’d likely have a system like this. Would you by any chance mind sharing some of the rooms you try to avoid completely? I just got completed wrecked by Black Tusk in the Combustion lab, the wide open space is great for grenade spamming. I figured it’s time I get a little pickier with my choices later on.

[deep ether]

Absolutely. I refuse to go into Security at NSA after loop 10 roughly. But obviously I’ll take it early on if it has reds.

[rustic bough]

I'll upload a pic in #ask-td2-community

[deep ether]

That’s awesome, much appreciated.

[topaz mango]

Avoid workshop, supply station, transit room, water treatment, generators.

[young agate]

I generally avoid workshop when I can regardless of enemy faction, there can be scenarios where you lock down one door but the door behind or to the side of you get a good chance to pin you down

[rare patrol]

yup! I use to dislike Sloth until I found my niche. But Glutonny is pure garbage.

[red ledge]

Honestly, they can remove Gluttony and I wouldn't mind

[young agate]

I would mind, I'd celebrate 🤣

[dusk niche]

Or just remove rotation, number of talents wasn't the issue

[raven lagoon]

no rotations and let RNG be RNG, lol. \o/ this is the way....

[twin geyser]

So sad, they didn't care to listen when we spoke before this trash was implemented...

[deep ether]

Water treatment is incredibly annoying anyways, when the NPCs fall down into the void there and I have to figure out how to finish them off. The only room so far that I actively avoid is Security because it’s too small and 3 of the doors are very close together. It’s very easy to lose control quickly. No idea why they even bother giving this room Electrical hazard sometimes, the room itself is a hazard.

Generators & Transit Tunnel - poor LOS no matter where you are. Agree with that.

I just did Supply Station at early loop, I couldn’t picture it. Yeah this one, you end up with spawns on both sides of you and there’s not much cover

[viscid leaf]

Envy is now back in the talent rotation.

[deep ether]

I never made the connection before - Payment in Kind with Bullet King. No reloading so you don’t bleed out. I was sitting here trying to figure out how much haz pro we actually have at tier 10 insulated + NSA station add-on. It’s not needed

[stiff rain]

i mean insulated is very nice still at high loops, since shock trap seems to be a popular skill and shocking yourself only lasts about 2s at maxed hazpro

but yeah payment in kind just needs bullet hell to make work

[deep ether]

Oh yeah I always make insulated is up there. Bosses with fire/shock/dizzy bullets, Cleaner drones get real nasty past 20 with the fire.

I always went with Plague of course on Envy, but I was thinking about maybe trying something else - the NPCs are usually dead before the stacks get them anyways, and spread radius is so small.

Agonizing Bite, Bullet Hell & Payment in Kind looks interesting. Several Red talents for crit/crit based

[stiff rain]

i'd do agonizing, payment in kind and bullet hell tbh. plague stacks just don't do much for me

agonizing just helps stack obliterate a lot better

[deep ether]

My thoughts exactly. Obliterate & Strained are very strong, those 3 exotics synergize with them better than Plague

[stiff rain]

my only gripe with envy is no intimidate

[twin geyser]

Plague stacks are useless after nerfing them (so you can't stack them on smg / lmg, swap to sniper rifle and chill until everything dies)

And as it was mentioned beforez everything dies faster than stacks are full

[terse cairn]

I really wish they would fix the deltas in descent. Nothing like having a perfect run and then getting delta on floor 11

[teal fiber]

@twin geyser so stacks with lmg and plague are not working anymore ?

[twin geyser]

They work, but the damage ticks from the weapon applied, not the one you're holding in your hands.
Example: you got 100 stacks from lmg, dmg ticks per lmg bullet even if you switched to MMR like before

[teal fiber]

@twin geyser for pool today what do you recommend ? Exotics I mean

[twin geyser]

Long run:

• agonizing bite
• payment in kind
• bullet hell (so you don't worry about bleeding from reloading)

[terse cairn]

Don’t sleep on plague. Even though they changed it to stop working after weapon switch. It’s still good. Three or four shots with a mmr on nemesis and he will tic to death. But after that, it’s use is limited

[fading swift]

for a nemesis run, plague is still pretty godly, especially with one of the big mag LMGs. but for longer runs, there are other options

[young agate]

Agreed, plague is big in early loops and especially against nemesis (for those of us that don't bum rush nemesis)

[viscid leaf]

Plague is what helped me and my team get flawless descent commendation when we didn't have Busy bee.

[rustic bough]

Tbh bullet king is overshadowed by incessant chatter. It's basically bullet king but with bonus fire rate and infinitely better ammo efficiency

[stiff rain]

when will bro speedrun 40 with me again

[rustic bough]

hmm in 20 mins?

[stiff rain]

nah not today 💀

next week

[rustic bough]

oke

[teal fiber]

I just got to loop 41 with: plague, incessant chatter and payment in kind. 310% weapons damage and 135% armor.

You have extra and lucky shot you don’t need bullet hell.

[rustic bough]

after giving Envy another go, I have decided to dethrone it to second place. The talents are all about building up stacks before they become useful. Payment in Kind, Strained, Obliterate, Rifleman. Whereas for Sloth it's start with this amount of damage, then swap weapons and BOOM, giga damage.

[stiff rain]

to the untrained eye this seems like a big troll but we know the truth

you got 40?

[rustic bough]

nah we wiped

[stiff rain]

rip

how long left

[rustic bough]

19

oh you mean the time

[stiff rain]

yeah

[rustic bough]

42 hours

wait, math not mathing

[stiff rain]

hm. can't make it

[rustic bough]

RIP

[rustic bough]

congrats btw

[rustic bough]

we got to loop 40 on Sloth, NOTHING can bring us down now

[cyan totem]

What’s your ranking? Just sloth five times?

[rustic bough]

What do you mean by ranking?

[cyan totem]

Like all the rotations ranked from least to worst?

[stiff rain]

like 1st place, 2nd place, etc.

ic3so is just

1. sloth
2. sloth
3. sloth
4. sloth
5. wrath

[rustic bough]

From best to worst: Sloth, Envy, Wrath, Greed, Gluttony

[cyan totem]

Just curious, I’m not sure I understand Envy tbh, I don’t think I find it better than greed or wrath tbh.

[stiff rain]

i think in terms of meta we already have an idea, but most people would rank ease of use alongside power ceiling too. this is tricky because it does depend on skill level

[rustic bough]

Yeah it's a tricky one for sure, I spent 3 days 3 nights thinking about it. If I could, I would just class them in the same spot, but putting Greed on 2nd place feels criminal

[rustic bough]

Hence why some people rank afk skill builds as one of the best builds out there. Apparently brain-off builds = best

[stiff rain]

which means sloth is number 1 undisputed

you can make cracked weapon damage build or skill build

[rustic bough]

Nah I think people being forced to swap weapons makes them age 4 minutes

Thinking about making a Reddit post explaining why Sloth > Envy, make them go mad

[stiff rain]

you'll make the flat earthers come out of the woodwork

[rustic bough]

Yeah, there's always a risk when it comes to poking the bubble

[stiff rain]

take the risk i took convincing you that sloth is good × 1000

[rustic bough]

Yeah remember how I called that brain rot 💀

[red ledge]

I'd suspect any posts that speaks of Descent mode in any positive way would be met with derision

[stiff rain]

like i don't think it's worth it considering how most people on there don't know how the multipliers work

like i bet people wrote off intimidate because it just "increases weapon damage"

[rustic bough]

I mean I don't know how multi works, either, but I was going to talk about how the damage build-up is near-instant in Sloth.

[cyan totem]

Where’s my Fox’s prayer exotic talent? Decent needs more multiplicative talents

[stiff rain]

this hurts so much to read

[twin geyser]

Me and my friend decided to go pick a weekly comm from Nemesis yesterday. Got 3 exotic talents at first 3 loops and just blew Nemesis away in 22 mins 24 seconds. Our best time yet 🙂

[stiff rain]

nice

[humble halo]

Me struggling with my friend cause he thinks hard loops are the best at the start 😭

[twin geyser]

For long run - he's right)

[humble halo]

He does that for nemisis loop and always picks hard when it's his turn

[twin geyser]

💀

[humble halo]

Only time it is worthwhile is farming the descent currency

[twin geyser]

59k available, I think I have enough for now)

• 24 rec. caches

[humble halo]

Nice

[rocky bison]

what's today's rotation

[pine siren]

Monday. Most people's most hated rotation.

[red ledge]

Gluttony?

[fast wing]

still envy for today

[young agate]

I'm guessing for the next 9-ish hours?

[dusk niche]

^yes 8h 30 min

[rustic bough]

YOOOO it's SLOTH again, great day for Sloth enjoyers

[twin geyser]

💀

[rustic bough]

Sloth is the GOAT rotation, change my mind

[stiff rain]

bro has succumbed to my brain rot

also, i think i'm going back to vigilance + precise for sloth. critical + surgical deals significantly less damage than i'd like

[gloomy wharf]

Descent? New to the mode but understand everything just looking for others that play.

[rustic bough]

Yeah I blame you so much! I am losing sleep over it, just watching my footage over and over. Also you see now how well I perform on US west

[stiff rain]

yeah, we'll keep resetting until we get us west then

[rustic bough]

Unfortunately there's no cross-play so you'll only be able to play with other PS players

[rustic bough]

Soon your brain rot will spread like COVID, we just have to keep this up

[stiff rain]

this is helpful brain rot 💀

[deep ether]

I wouldn’t bother with surgical unless Obliterate and Strained were in the pool. Takes too long to build up the CHC, best to take TWD

[stiff rain]

yeah

[rustic bough]

Wow so pro

[young agate]

Bullet hell/surgical/strained/obliterate for that real Rambo experience

[mighty tartan]

Anyone completed the comms yet?

[rocky bison]

Still afew weeks left for us day 1 starters

[red ledge]

We're currently 63 of 72

And considering how things went in previous seasons, I'd suspect we'll get more than 1 comm in the last weeks of this season

[dusk niche]

Envy is the current rotation in case anyone still plays descent

[rustic bough]

Imagine playing on Envy

[young agate]

Better than playing on 🦥

I can't kappa but imagine there's a kappa there

[rustic bough]

Sloth is the best rotation idk what you're talking about 😤

[copper goblet]

It depends totally on your goal - if you just wanna hit nemesis, loop 30 or 40 for the patches - no problem: every rotation will take you there, but some rotations will take a bit more time than others.

If you wanna go on really high loops - there are only 2,5 viable options. Wrath, Greed and Envy (0,5).

[rustic bough]

He doesn't know 💀

If you can reach loop 40 on Envy, you can definitely reach loop 40 on Sloth.

[copper goblet]

I know what it looks like at Loop 446 - what about you?

[copper goblet]

I did with every Rotation Loop 40 🫣

[rustic bough]

Wow the real MVP

[rustic bough]

Loop 54 pre-rotations

[copper goblet]

Pre-Rotation: 78 - After Rotation launched;
Envy: 98
Sloth, Gluttony: 41
Greed: 367
Wrath: 446

[rustic bough]

Wow Bravo

Wait does it include the time where Strained was bugged?

[copper goblet]

No.

[rustic bough]

Good

That's amazing what you've done

[young agate]

What was your time in simulation for loop 446?

[copper goblet]

2 days something. 3h break in total.

[rustic bough]

Holy moly. Bro doesn't need sleep

[young agate]

Did something finally get you or did you exit?

[copper goblet]

On 446 first room the game crashed. My 367 run was pretty scuffed but I finished it on my own because I had no time left.

[rustic bough]

I can imagine Descent being the new Tetris speedrun now

[young agate]

Zamn, what would you think you would have gotten to without the crash

[copper goblet]

Pretty much unlimited. After Loop 150 it is no longer significantly heavier, but rather easier because you do 10% more damage per loop.

[rustic bough]

You mean there's a difficulty cap?

Interesting

[copper goblet]

It’s just a time thing. If I had like 1 week vacation and no crashes I will reach probably 1000+ easily - with sleeping breaks

[young agate]

Does it turn into rogues every other room

Do you folks on PC not have to worry about the game booting you for inactivity?

[rustic bough]

There are ways around it

The controller trick being one of them

[copper goblet]

Not directly, but at a certain level you oneshotted almost all enemies. For example, I easily made 15mil damage per headshot with Greed + 3-4mil Explosive damage

[rustic bough]

Wow nice

[copper goblet]

Theoretically yes, I just use Logitech Gaming Keyboard + movement macro -

[young agate]

Does the waves per room keep going up

[copper goblet]

Maximum is 3 waves.

[young agate]

huh, interesting

[copper goblet]

Rogues become more and more common the higher you get. Had on average per loop in 2 rooms rogues

[young agate]

Does NSA credits per random boss keep going up

[rustic bough]

Yes

[copper goblet]

Yeah. At 446 it were like 1300 NSA Tech

[young agate]

That's a lot of cheddar

[copper goblet]

During my 446 Run I earned in total 600k NSA tech 😶‍🌫️

[rustic bough]

goes to do the maths

Checks out, my calculations is 50 off

[young agate]

So you're not hurting for exotic components is what you're saying 🤣

[copper goblet]

Pretty much 🥺

[rustic bough]

The life of the average descent enjoyer

Whenever you need exotic components, just get some at the vendor

[copper goblet]

Through my two high runs I gained around 850k NSA Tech and over 50mil Descent currency haha

[copper goblet]

Have only 100k left. The rest got invested in my gear - every exotic and gear I use is 26 😶‍🌫️

[young agate]

Do you lean on any skills up that high or is all that weapon damage just that effective

[rustic bough]

Should've grinded to 1 million and keep a screenshot of it

[copper goblet]

It depends mostly on rotation - with greed for example I have hive and foam. With wrath defender drone and hive

[copper goblet]

Maybe I will do that. In two weeks - got then 2 weeks vacation. Hopefully the game gain more stability

[rustic bough]

🙏

[young agate]

Are you guys' crashes sudden or do all the enemies and interactions go unresponsive before kicking you

[stiff rain]

it was unresponsive for me where my gun wouldn't fire

[opal owl]

Anyone a tip against this permanently healing nemesis? It seems like this thing is simply unkillable, it is so annoying

[young agate]

Use your grenades strategically to get him to move away from a healer hive, a sticky bomb can work too especially since you can run out of grenades but regen the sticky

But yes you will have to press some form of aggression or risk running out of all your resources, trying to dink him with your sidearm

[dusk niche]

Since he's a copy of you (for the most part) equip skills that dont have a heal variant. Only exception is repair trap, nemesis will never copy that.
I normally pick a firefly and a fire chem launcher or any sticky exactly because I don't want nemesis to have any healing

[opal owl]

Funny thing is, He is using a healer hive, I never equipped that

[dusk niche]

There are some skills he'll never use (pulse for example) or if you don't have a skill he'll equip one at random.
Basically you were unlucky and got a healer skill. It's very annoying since nemesis spams it a lot

[opal owl]

The only interesting thing why I always try it are those coms, which have a lot of lore in them. Otherwise, I would ignore it entirely

But in all the time, I only managed to beat it once. Also tried it in a group, ending with 4 absolutly unkillable nemesis. They didn't even take any damage

[twin geyser]

Make your squad with the guys you know and stretch the Nemesis fight until loop 7-8 by picking boss and hard rooms only (medium when hard is not available). By that loop you generally have some good red talents, +70% damage core and some good weapons.
Nemesis in a group of four is a challenge for sure, but not impossible

[young agate]

If you take a revive hive in, he will have a hive too but can use revive hive so it'll be a healer or maybe stinger? I don't remember a stinger being thrown against me

[lean widget]

its usually a healer

[rocky bison]

what's the current rotation agents ?

[stiff rain]

envy

[rocky bison]

wow

Ty

[fringe hearth]

What’s some good tips for a beginner to the mode? I want to grind for reconstructed caches but I keep dying a few rooms in. Even in easy rooms

[stiff rain]

use cover to cover, spawn camp

[rustic bough]

yeah be cognizant of enemy positions, and if or when you need to pivot to another cover spot.

[terse cairn]

@fringe hearth trauma, eyeless, ignited. I only played on that rotation for the longest time. Obliterate. Plague of outcast. And if you get a reviver hive, buy extra grenades so you can destroy nemesis healer hive. Two grenades and it’s gone. The other rotations are good but the one with all the status effects are op for a new descent player

Oh yeah, preservation too

Fire ammo works on nemesis, he is immune to shock ammo, so put fire ammo on your sidearm to begin with and then put fire ammo on your mmr or rifle before the encounter if you can as well. Should be just a few shots and he will tick out

[mighty tartan]

I like this Envy talent pool

[amber schooner]

fairly new but any tips for reaching a higher loop i can only seem to get to loop 12

[stiff rain]

what are you dying from? playstyle? lack of damage?

[deep ether]

Entrench talent & blindfiring is best when things start getting out of control. Obviously you can’t rely on medkits. Stick with medium rooms after Nemesis. I don’t usually camp doors real close until I know Outcasts aren’t the faction. You buy the armour on kill perk at NSA station? It’s helpful pre-nemesis so you don’t really have to start stacking Preservation until after you beat him.

Envy revolves entirely on critical hit chance/etc for your weapon damage. Status effects play big role. Trauma is first yellow you should grab. Personal opinion but I think envy can be a little tougher than others. You either need agonizing bite or to stack surgical. Wrath is real good for survivability. Greed & Sloth have lot of amplified damage.

[stiff rain]

i share the opinion that envy is a bit lacking on burst damage also

[rustic bough]

Envy is harder than Sloth - your damage is dependent on having stacks i.e. Payment in Kind, Obliterate, Strained, Rifleman. Not having enough stacks at the wrong time can be a critical mistake.

And at the beginning of every encounter, you're guaranteed to have no stacks to begin with

[deep ether]

Trauma & Eyeless usually will be best way to get through earlier loops. Firepower can be hard to come by if you do not get Agonozing Bite early, and even so, it’s no guarantee, it has several flaws, you can’t proc Obliterate/Strained without it. Ignited is good too. I do not know if those amplified damages stack if an NPC has multiple status effects, ^ they may know

[stiff rain]

they do

[amber schooner]

lck of dmg

[stiff rain]

know the best red talents to pick for each rotation, don't pick armor at end of loop

read the above for advice for envy

[ionic plover]

How much are Descent outfits again? I’m currently on loop 11 and don’t wanna back out right now to check.

[deep ether]

That’s a ton of amp damage. Yellows extremely important if lack of damage is issue in Envy then. The crowd control is already good, but that amp damage is huge.

[red ledge]

I think 1666 NSA Tech each

[ionic plover]

Hi, someone kwon's how farming the NSA coins? I want the Vicator

[stiff rain]

you need to do boss rooms

[red ledge]

What's the current rotation?

[stiff rain]

still envy iirc

could've changed

[fringe hearth]

I keep dying in the arena because I don’t have enough damage to kill the named enemy despite taking red talents that boost my damage. What am I doing wrong?

[cyan totem]

what red talents are you taking

[fringe hearth]

Rifleman, vigilance,

[cyan totem]

just those two? and on the first boss arena?

[fringe hearth]

Yeah

I don’t get lucky with room

[stiff rain]

did you reroll?

[fringe hearth]

I do.

[stiff rain]

did you take hard or easy rooms?

[fringe hearth]

Easy

[stiff rain]

try taking hard rooms to build up more talents

[young agate]

Are you trying to out-duel the boss or are you fighting with cover and tact? Are you focusing the other enemies first?

[red ledge]

Greed. The current rotation is greed

[stiff rain]

even better

[deep ether]

Riot foam. Decoy. Immobilize or distract him. Pop his tank, 1 & 3 are Cleaners when solo. You can’t fight them like Rambo.

[fringe hearth]

What’s the best upgrades to focus first at the NSA station?

I have Armor on Kill maxed out

[red ledge]

Go for Health on Kill next

[rustic bough]

And then extra talent selection slot

[stiff rain]

extra talent choice should be picked first yeah

[deep ether]

Protection from elites is a good one after the ones they said above ^. I left the weapon handling & utility ones for last. I’d grab the defensive one first at NSA station. The armour on kill is very useful early on, you don’t have to worry about Preservation until after Nemesis which allows you to stack more reds (and Entrech, this one is so helpful, you can blind fire from cover, at least one bullet will be a headshot, and get your armour regened fast).

Extra talent for each room is a big help. Saves on currency early on

[glad ermine]

How to kill the Nemesis
and what to choose and buy to even have a chance to get to him

And fight him for more than 30 seconds

[pine siren]

Shoot him when he's moving, stay in cover when he's shooting at you. Watch for his skill use and be ready to relocate (use cover to cover) if he's sending something dangerous your way. If it's a longer lasting deployable like a hive or turret and it's not for full coverage on the battlefield, just move yourself away and leave it so he won't throw another. Try and get fire bullets from a shop to shoot him with.

Hackable skills like turret and drone can work against him, just be ready to kill them quick if he does hack them.

Take your time and don't take risks if you don't have the dps for a quick kill

[young agate]

Purchasing special ammo is a big one that is easy to get, regardless of what you pick up you're going to be able to extend your window to do damage while you have it

[red ledge]

It also helps to buy incendiary ammo from supply stations for your sidearm as the Nemesis is not immune to fire

[balmy finch]

Also try to get foam or blinder for skills

[glad ermine]

Well thats some great advice. Gonna use it on my next run

[fringe hearth]

The extra talent in each room is a permanent upgrade right?

[rustic bough]

Yes

[young agate]

And it's completely random from the available talent pool, so you'll have the 3 which are restricted to what the room told you it was offering, and one wild card

[rustic bough]

Well, the wildcard talent isn't necessarily random. If the room has 3 reds then there is an increased chance of the extra talent choice being red. If it's one red 2 blues then it's got an increased chance being blue. If it's a rainbow room then it's completely random

[dusk niche]

Wrath in the building

[twin geyser]

Use it to reach loop 40, it's simply amazing

[fringe hearth]

What talents do I take for wrath high loops?

[stiff rain]

intimidate, obliterate, surgical are 3 cores

ad rush + leadership (+ bloodsucker) to proc intimidate

rest are preference

max intimidate as much as possible

[young agate]

Bullet hell/strained/obliterate/surgical, preservation, trauma/eyeless are must-haves for me

[rustic bough]

You forgot Versatile 😔

[fringe hearth]

I got versatile as my free one I think I’m ready to go deep

[mighty tartan]

What is the total Comms count now?

[red ledge]

72

[mighty tartan]

Damn the top loop is almost 800 in the leaderboards

[simple beacon]

@nocturne hedge May I ask if there are any new updates to your pinned comments about descent bps?

[nocturne hedge]

Hi. I actually haven't played descent in about a month so i dont know what changed abiut the BPs

[simple beacon]

It’s fine, thanks for the reply anyway

Looks I gotta head in there myself though

[dusk ore]

Not a fan of descent, but want the 52 blueprints locked inside, any workarounds?

[stiff rain]

well you gotta play it to get them

[fringe hearth]

Descent is the only way to get those currently

[dusk ore]

Ok, thanks

[deep ether]

Best advice I could give is to find a talent pool that works for you (Wrath is probably the best/easiest) and just try to run to high loops. The random boss rooms & arenas continue to raise the amount of NSA tech you receive.

I have heard people tell others to just farm it by beating Nemesis and restarting. Strongly disagree with that. I don’t know if you’re even guaranteed a RC cache doing that. The random boss rooms will start giving like 60+ around loop 14, and you can get several in a row. I actually had an entire loop that had boss room options more than once. And sometimes multiple boss rooms to choose from.

[copper goblet]

High Loops are definitely more worth it than run to 15-40 or so. Did 2 times reaaaaallly high loops and gained there in total (both runs) around 800k NSA Tech

At 30 random bosses will give you 100+ and as I were on 400+ random bosses gives 1300 credits per room

[deep ether]

Yeah it’s a ton, I binged Descent during my time off and got every blueprint much faster than expected. It’s also probably the best exotic component farming, especially when one boss room gives you enough credits to buy 4+ caches. And, it’s just way more fun than farming DZ crates or playing Countdown. Assuming you don’t get the dreaded Delta. Been happening to me a lot lately.

[twin geyser]

400+ loop? How many days were spent and no delta? That's insane

[copper goblet]

28h

[twin geyser]

28 hours? Don't want to be sceptical, but we spent 4 hours and 30 mins to get to loop 40 (I consider this to be pretty good time). Even if we theoretically calculate the loop time to take 5 mins, it'll will look like this:

• The calculation
  5 mins x 400 loops = 2000 mins : 60 mins = 33,333 hours

Where did you save 5 hours + it's without breaks for sleeping

[copper goblet]

Our fastest loop 40 run was like 3:25 - it’s definitely possible. 28h playtime - no all time. I did a few hours break in total but 28h was the main active game time.

[twin geyser]

It's crazy) congrats)

[copper goblet]

Unfortunately don’t have a screen of my 446 run but I got one from my 367 run

[copper goblet]

I got roughly in 446 Loops (1.784 rooms) easy 500-600times rogues / random bosses. That saved also a lot of time. My fastest loop were in 300s around 3:15-3:44 min

[deep ether]

What are the non-boss rooms like at those loops? I assume they can’t just keep adding NPCs, some of the rooms are too small already anyways. I get Delta’ed at Server room quite frequently at higher loops, I swear it’s because there’s too many NPCs crammed in there. Do they keep the numbers consistent & just make them bullet sponges?

[hidden idol]

iirc, someone said (that guy probably), that NPCs end up having a HP limit, so they don't scale indefinitely, atleast hp-wise (he was hitting 15M? per shot)

[deep ether]

Yeah they would have to. You would end up getting to the point where you’d be running out of ammo if the talent pool didn’t offer a way around it. I’m just curious if those rooms just end up being complete mobs of tanks, etc. or if they cap the amount of NPCcs along with their HP at a certain point.

Mathematically, if you can get to point where the NPCs hit that HP cap, you can bridge the gap & start getting an advantage between their health pools & your weapon damage because you will still be able to keep increasing WD at end of every loop while they remain constant. But of course, extremely much easier said than done. I’m curious around which loop that HP cap occurs as well

[rustic bough]

probably 100

I remember one of the devs said they expect it to be "humanly impossible" for anyone to reach loop 100. so I'm gonna take a jab and say they hadn't thought about scaling past that point.

[copper goblet]

It’s fixed - same counter for enemies - per wave approx 6-8 enemies - even on loop 400+

[copper goblet]

I did 15-18mil per shot (sniper) and I oneshotted everything. After idk ~150 loops enemies don’t stronger from output - just tankier - but at the end of the day you get stronger every loop by 10% and it doesn’t matter. Rogues, Bosses were oneshot - only tanks wasn’t oneshot bc of helmet.

[deep ether]

6-8 NPCs per wave? That a typo?

[stiff rain]

it feels like it every loop up to 40 that i've been already. i don't think it's unreasonable

[rustic bough]

this feels like a Terrence Howard moment

[proud basin]

Do you go for weapon damage only ? Or do you take armor or skill tier at any point ?

Highest is 55 and I would like to get closer to 100

[copper goblet]

Only WPD

[proud basin]

That makes sense

Thank you

[copper goblet]

No, that’s correct. For every room 3 waves with 6-8 enemies

[proud basin]

So really just comes down to being more patient I imagine ? I feel like right around the 50s I can’t kill rogues fast enough in a 4 man

[deep ether]

What’s your deal? Why are you always throwing out some random insult or being rude for no reason? Thats the 3rd time you’ve done it to me, I haven’t done anything to you.

[nocturne hedge]

They're on the list tho?

[simple beacon]

Ok
👍

[frozen radish]

Pls tell more about the 446 loop run, what talents? Skills? Exotics did you use
And no delta anywhere ?

[ionic plover]

Anyone got any advice for someone new to descent? Or is it just a basic activity?

[young agate]

First things first, don't let dying in the first set of rooms discourage you, you start with half a loadout and no build

Spawn camp a door then work from there, don't stand in the middle and let all the spawns attack you at once

[ionic plover]

Thanks

[young agate]

When you play solo, you will get two waves of enemies per room starting with loop 6, if you aren't mindful of this you'll get a rude surprise after thinking you've cleared that first room, it still happens to me sometimes

[ionic plover]

Yeah I noticed lol. It’s actually a decent activity tbh

[ashen bloom]

Do you think they should add some sort of solo player buff or something like that?

[viscid leaf]

They do. It's called the "enemies don't have millions of HP on loop 1" buff.

[dusk niche]

Checkpoints for solo players

[twin geyser]

tOo DiFfIcUlT

Reconnection back in the mode after delta-03 or crashing? DIFFICULT

[rustic bough]

People will definitely not abuse it

They totally will not leave the game mid-wave to avoid dying

[twin geyser]

30 sec cooldown like in Dz, but if it's Delta-03 - insta leave. There is a difference between internet plug-off and delta in terms of connection

[dusty hawk]

question. any guides out there on what rooms to run in descent? watched a streamer and they seemed to like "Servers" wondered how they knew what was what room wise then think they looked and finally saw ah ok

[stiff rain]

lots of cover, lots of tall cover

[rustic bough]

You just die enough times to know not to pick that room next time

[stiff rain]

so wise

[dusty hawk]

so beyond that not much other differences to the other rooms?

[rustic bough]

Well it can also come down to preference and the time it usually takes to clear a certain room.

[dusty hawk]

each room has a different amount of time to complete them?

[stiff rain]

no, it's more like the time to clear will change based on your movement, the room's layout and spawns

you want to pick rooms you can clear fast cuz it gets tiring

[dusty hawk]

i know, i've ran it enough times to be like "it's summit all over again" and eventually leave mid floor or finish it and then leave

[rustic bough]

The average player doesn't play as aggressive as cough us, so for the average tunnel strat player, a bigger room is going to take longer to clear than a smaller room

[dusty hawk]

what's the rotation that you guys like the most?

[rustic bough]

Obligatory, Sloth

[red ledge]

Greed, Sloth, and Envy

[uncut gate]

Guys! Nemesis armpatch, is it still bugged to get?

Finished at loop 4, 8 and 10. And still havent it. :sad:

[stiff rain]

you have to get nemesis on loop 8. it's working for me yesterday

[uncut gate]

Leaving immediately after doing that? I finished a few loops. Maybe thats why.

Nevermind i'll try again. TY for response.

[stiff rain]

no, you can continue after it, it should still count

[uncut gate]

Hehe, well. Bug after bugs, i hope i'll get it next time.

[stiff rain]

bugs are gonna bug whenever they want sadly

[terse cairn]

I didn’t spawn the nemesis until loop 8, defeated him but still didn’t get my patch. I think it’s just bugged for some because a couple of my friends do have it but I can’t get it.

[dusk niche]

It seems to be bugged some people have reported getting last seasons patch while others got nothing despite meeting the requirement

[twin geyser]

Wil be on Trello in 3 years (maybe)

[uncut gate]

Thats the pretty optimistic statement, agent. 😁

[red ledge]

#lfg-pc

Or try LFG in GCRock discord

[dusk niche]

Sloth fans rejoice, sloth is back

Crickets

[red ledge]

Yay!

[stiff rain]

let's goooo

[young agate]

Slothmaxing

[grim creek]

I never managed to use Leader

How does it proc ?

[red ledge]

Leadership? You have to use cover to cover movements to proc it

[grim creek]

What's cover to cover

I know how to get in cover but how you get to another cover without getting out of cover

[red ledge]

Cover to cover is basically where you move from one cover to another.

When you see the space button in another cover while you're in cover, that's a prompt for cover to cover move

[grim creek]

thanks

I didn't know that

[stiff rain]

that's something you NEED to learn to stay alive lol

[twin geyser]

If I remember correctly, it, in most cases, prevents enemy from hitting you

[stiff rain]

their bullets do land on you, but you don't take damage (or have very reduced chance of taking damage)

[twin geyser]

cover-to-cover moves are wild for enemies on legendary difficulty 😂

[stiff rain]

yep. you notice whenever you do that their bullets are 100% onto you, proving they really aimbot lol

[stiff rain]

#lfg-pc

[sharp radish]

Sorry, thought it was here, thanks

[humble halo]

The way they can melt you with only a hand out of cover shows it lol

[twin geyser]

Still no match to red smg gangstawalk hyenas

[humble halo]

Oh yeah hyenas are weird they are trickiest to headhunt

At least they are weaker than div1 npcs who didn't even flinch no matter what you do

[young agate]

Turns out, holding the gun sideways gives them 40% crit chance, 40% crit damage, and achillies pulses their enemy 💀

[humble halo]

You mean 69% CHD 69% CHC super cool movement mechanics Ultra Instinct and Achilles

[grim creek]

John wick was here

He is hiding and then gang up to you with is strange weapon handling

[twilit whale]

I wonder if the upcoming changes are going to affect descent

[red ledge]

If you mean the modifiers, then no. They don't affect Descent and PvP

[twin geyser]

maybe only talent changes, but everything else won't work in descent

[fierce beacon]

So I never really played the decent is it possible for me to get multiple descent comms in one week if I only got 1 out of the 74

[rustic bough]

Yes

[young agate]

Are you going by that last week of the last season where we all seemed to get like 10 for the weekly completion

Also, all you Desciples of Sloth get hype for the new versatile meta 🤣

[stiff rain]

let's gooooo

[calm patrol]

here's hoping we get season modified in Descent.
I just want there's mechanic to get speed passing early loop descent.

[jolly cave]

We are confirmed to not be getting Modifiers in Descent or PvP.

[rustic bough]

you're referring to the Summit, which is different from the Descent.

[twin geyser]

Remind me, please, are we at 67/72 comms this week?

[viscid leaf]

I believe so. That's what my comms are at.

[red ledge]

Same. Tuesday next week is where we'll go to 68

[twin geyser]

Clowns made exotic pool choice - 2 times in a row I got everything but Adaptive Instincts

[grim creek]

You can also run up to the Chimeria with only 1 Regicide talent at loop 8 (the other 2 pick were sweet dream and empathic resolve at loop 1)

I died after a long fight out of ammo against Chimeria

Not enough damage output

[red ledge]

Chimera?

You mean Nemesis?

[hasty light]

Descent is the best for a long gaming night at the weekend, but since there is no way for the player to chose the talent pool, I was wondering:
Would it be possible for the old descent, where all talents were in the pool, or rather when there was no talent pool at all, to be "toggleable"?
Some of the talent pools are way more fun than others and being able to toggle the talent pool on and off would allow players to take their chances with all the talents available, if the current talent pool is not to their liking.
Still one of my favorite things to do in div 2. Unfortunately I have yet to convince my mates of the beauty of the mode.

[hidden idol]

iirc there was already a discussion about something similar, but a pretty good tldr is: "Ubisoft won't do anything great for descent anymore".

[twin geyser]

College Kenly be like: 👀

[dusk niche]

"descent was a free update and we've done enough for it"

[grim creek]

Descent allows to get blueprint so it's okay

There is a farm (when you don't have anything else to farm)

[fierce beacon]

If I don’t grab a skill or talent in the descent will the nemesis get a random set talents and skills?

[stiff rain]

nemesis doesn't have "talents", but it will get random skills yes

npcs don't work like us

[fierce beacon]

Ok

[dull orbit]

THIS ha ha for sure

[twin geyser]

I just wish they stop putting more audio in descent so I don't need to launch division once a week until seasons 2.0

[grim creek]

As if you would complain getting more audio !! You still launch TD2 just for it :p

[twin geyser]

For now - yeap 🙂

[rustic bough]

I stopped at 64, it was at that moment I decided to go for a vacation

[untold surge]

Idk where to post PTS feedback but i will put it here because is about Descent
One of following would be nice for the next update:

1. Remove talent pools
2. Able to make personal loadout

[junior swan]

3. Add checkpoints similar to Summit ;P

[twin geyser]

We've been asking this for ages with no result, so...

[untold surge]

i know, one day it will reach them i guess

[twin geyser]

That's the spirit, agent
I lost it 3 years ago

[rustic bough]

Getting some sleep is a checkpoint

[red ledge]

Say what you will about the mode, but I do enjoy collecting the comms

[rustic bough]

🫡

[hidden idol]

tbh one thing that could be interesting would be that when you get to T6 on skills, the picking selection would change from "Skill tier" to a "Skill buff", increasing 10% of it's stats, similar to weapon damage. (while keeping the tiers, obviously)

But that would meet the same problem as checkpoints, that iirc, it was something among the lines: "Code too difficult to mess with".

[nocturne hedge]

Yeah a 10 or 15% skill efficiency would be great

[topaz mango]

Reached 85 loop and crashed. 2 other friends reached 111 without me and exit for sleep. About 12 hours.

[stiff rain]

nice

[twin geyser]

It's so nice that you can reconnect if you crash, just like in Countdown. Oh, wait....

[dusk niche]

Gluttony again? We just had it 😬

[red ledge]

Good thing I finished up my weekly Nemesis run during Greed's rotation

[edgy sphinx]

that's not quite right, at least it can be misinterpreted. The Nemesis get the same skills that you as a player and fellow players acquired during the loops.Exceptions only apply to skills such as the D-coil, which is counted as a random skill for Nemesis, as are free skill slots (2 slots)

[stiff rain]

the point is they don't have talents as we do, they're just stats that they have. the part about skills is already understood

also i'm pretty sure they copy your decoy as well

[edgy sphinx]

I have never seen Nemesis use a D-coil, instead you were destroyed with oxi within seconds, without anyone else having the skill but a D-coil...

[stiff rain]

it uses decoy if you use it, just like hunters or rogues (in the aspect that they do use decoy)

[edgy sphinx]

From loop 25' onwards there is a possibility that you will meet the rought agents...they also use a d coil

[stiff rain]

yes i know

from loop 10

25 is just boosted chance

[edgy sphinx]

Yes 2 rounds from Loop rought agents

[peak cedar]

No. Decoy, pulse, shield gives Nemesis a random skill.
Just had it again the other day, had to have a decoy at the end and Nem got shock traps instead. Actually wrote it down once again so I never forget, Decoy = random skill.

[young agate]

Also the revive hive usually results in a healer hive for the nemesis, which is always fun to deal with

Gluttony is so bad that it's the perfect talent pool to see if you can speedrun to nemesis and out-duel with minimal prep

[nocturne hedge]

Decoy seems to be a 50/50 chance. Sometime it gets copied, sometimes not

[stiff rain]

not the place for this question

#ask-td2-community

[bold kite]

Hi, where do i find groups for descent ?

[cyan totem]

https://discord.com/channels/477210626742288384/556242679122624523

could try there, but I’d probably recommend checking out the community discord or GCROCK’s discord.

[calm patrol]

thanks dev atleast give best rotation on exp boost event

[dusk niche]

tries to get season patch on a new account
Gets one medium room every loop
Game waits until loop 7 to give me two medium rooms in a row and screw my attempt to get the patch

Yeah I'm so done with descent

[nocturne hedge]

See you tomorrow then?

[dusk niche]

Nah I'm good
They did a 10/10 job of killing descent

[blissful gulch]

Last night me and a mate didn't get 2nd exotic talent till loop 11 was great

Also wondering if there a page somewhere that lets you see what skills pair with talents for descent

[young agate]

I'm not sure what you mean. The only info I can offer here is to point out that status effects bonuses don't apply to oxidizer

[twin geyser]

Their official response about this issue is beyond stupid

I was able to get it after, like, 10-12 tries (10-12 hours wasted)

[hexed oxide]

nemesis can copy your decoy skill, it just doesn't happen often. is it enough a screenshot or you need a video?

[grim creek]

This is one point that need to be issued

Did a loop 17 yesterday and yeah, got 2nd exotics talent at loop 9 after beating Nemesis

At least I had Instinct. Bullet king would have been better but I could have ended with way worse.

[dusk niche]

The change was stupid and so is their lack of response
Anyway sloth is back as the rotation

[red ledge]

Nice, one of my favorites

[peak cedar]

And this is different from "Decoy = random skill" (which includes decoy as well of course)...? 👀

[rustic bough]

lesssssgooooo

[rustic bough]

what's there to issue about RNG? I've had worse, and I've also had 3 exotic talents by loop 3, but at the end of the day, it's still RNG

[jolly cave]

^It's a rogue-lite. Not every run is going to be good, and you can be happy that it's not a rogue-like since you can buff your stats over time.
If you dislike it because it's not similar to the rest of div2, that is sorta the point.

[grim creek]

The only things I regret about Descent is that you can't save when finishing a loop.

It's so time consuming and if you want high loop it take so many hours.....

There is also the disconnect and not being able to come back

[red ledge]

Suppose they managed to add checkpoints, but it's only available to PS5/X Series/PC....

Well, I can imagine a lot of players would be upset

[rustic bough]

what platforms are we leaving out?

[red ledge]

PS4 and Xbox One

[rustic bough]

eh relics of the past, who cares about them 🤪

[rustic bough]

checkpoint sounds easy but how do you think it would work?

say you left off at Envy rotation, and don't play for 2 days, and now it's a different rotation. Should you keep the Envy rotation?
if you did this in a group... if person A left at loop 10, would there be a checkpoint if B, C and D continued? and if there is, would the checkpoint be at loop 10?
if B and C left at loop 19 and D is the last player to leave the group at loop e.g. 20, the next time D wants to continue, would A, B and C be able to join D as well?
it's for these reasons that I think it will be very hard to implement.

[dusk niche]

Well I remember Yannick or Morten saying descent was delayed to add co-op I wonder if checkpoints were even ever considered
But with the talent rotation it's impossible

[red ledge]

Okay, hear me out. They remove rotations, but they keep talents from each of them as presets

[dusk niche]

The easiest solution is to scale reroll costs to the loop you're in. Rerolling @250 at loop 1 is not the same as rerolling @250 at loop 10
This is a rather simple concept that I don't understand why it's not implemented
Unless they want to curate how we play descent with each rotation, but that's a failed concept

[grim creek]

Actually, you just need to save the talent rotation when you start the descent, number of loop and the talent picked (just a simple excel table).

Now concerning the co-op descent, if you could save the descent. You can also save all the player. So saving the group and allowing to reenter it only with the same group should be doable. You need to add a save screen on the descent though.

[grim creek]

Why would those platform left out ?

[red ledge]

Cuz they're a decade old at this point

[grim creek]

Aside from that, making a save point shouldn't be to difficult ?

Is there a memory issue ?

[rustic bough]

It gets more complicated the more I think about it. It's not like adding checkpoints in a mission as missions have no restrictions.

[bold finch]

I just don't think check points would work in descent

And ps4 came out 11 years ago I think it's time to move past the old gen. It's just holding games back at this point

My ps5 almost 4 years old

[twin geyser]

Ok, if no checkpoints for multiple reasons - where is the reconnect option? Why should I start from loop 1 because of not my fault?
The same question goes to countdown

[rustic bough]

If you can reconnect you can also intentionally disconnect to gain an advantage. See death approaching? Never mind I'll just alt+f4 and the game will treat it as a disconnect and I'll be able to rejoin no problem

Didn't get an exotic talent? It's ok I'll just disconnect and reconnect again so the game will reroll until I get it

[topaz mango]

Devs needs to remove rotations and add cp's. There was no rotations 1st. Idk why they made that.

[topaz mango]

Reconnect in the game doesn't work like that. If death is approach, reconnect won't help.

[rustic bough]

Similar with countdown, why do most of the work when I can just reconnect 15 mins later and "skip" straight to the hunters section?

Why, I wonder, why don't we ever think about people with malicious intent?

[topaz mango]

And what'sa point? Just be afk unill all missions done. But fir what? Me personally want currency.

[jolly cave]

Are you writing like that for a reason?

It's genuinely very hard to read.

[twin geyser]

It's not what I mean.
Disconnect should have a 30 sec timer, while your character is still present there and takes damage. (Like in DZ)
Also, reconnection doesn't change the already pressed terminal talents.
And for the time - 2-3 mins to reconnect, then your character is yeeted out of the mode

[rustic bough]

you'll know whether you get an exotic talent even without interacting with the terminal

[twin geyser]

But it's predefined, no? As soon as it appears, talents won't change themselves

[rustic bough]

I have no idea.

[twin geyser]

Apart from potential exotic talents abuse, I see no problem with reconnect option

I've got no intention to crash at loop 30 (and it happened before), because potato servers are falling left and right

[rustic bough]

let's say you're playing solo, if you disconnect during a room, what's going to happen when you reconnect?

[rustic bough]

the time restriction in which you have to reconnect does not apply to people who crashed, right? Because the game treats both disconnects and crashes as the same thing. and people who crash will unlikely be able to reconnect within 2 minutes (or depending on your system, anyway)

and I forgot to add one more thing. Descent is a separate instance. And whenever you exit the instance, no matter how (exiting from the lobby, dying, disconnecting, crashing) you will get your reward. and maybe you remember the Descent XP exploit, where one can leave Descent and then get invited back into it, over and over again. solo sounds simple enough, you can't invite yourself back in. but in co-op it's another can of worms. so if we are to avoid this exploit from repeating again, how would you make sure that you won't get your rewards between disconnecting and reconnecting? and what if you decided that you will quit at the same time as losing connection? how do you want the game to define a "game-ending" scenario?

[grim creek]

One way to avoid any exploit, give the reward only on 2 conditions:

• every member is dead at the same time
• player stop at the check point

Concerning the disconnect abuse:

• player must redo the room

[twin geyser]

Rewarding every time is a bad thing here(

[ionic plover]

#BringBackDescentXP

[mighty tartan]

please no more comms please no more comms

[jolly cave]

You know you can just not get them now and get them later, right?

[mighty tartan]

or if they do another catchup with them

[jolly cave]

Sure, since they aren't adding checkpoints there's plenty of time.

[twin geyser]

We're at 69/72 now, if I remember correctly

[red ledge]

Yep, we are. This Tuesday, it'll be 70/72

[dusk niche]

I'm guessing there's no new comms in the pts?

[red ledge]

It was 72 when I played the first phase. Guess its still the same in the second phase.

[twin geyser]

Don't worry - they can't drop the reason to launch Descent once a week.
I'm also expecting another loop 40 arm patch 💀

[nocturne hedge]

Imagine if they add 72 comms to summit and countdown each for shits and giggles

[red ledge]

I wouldn't mind that actually. I'd love more stories of the Summit Skyscraper and the Power Plant in Countdown

[mighty tartan]

how do you not get disconnected from playing for that long

[twin geyser]

Sometimes we're lucky, sometimes we aren't. We've recently DELTA-03-d at loop 18, whole squad, because of server issue. We've been asking for reconnect button since the beginning, but they don't care

[twin geyser]

3:45 is not that long, actually)
But if it would be 5+ hours - then I'd be worried

[mighty tartan]

jesus thats still long for me

[dusk niche]

Glad I never cared about the tier patches, it's also a stupid system

I also hope they end the comms, story has become so convoluted and missing so many plots that I don't care anymore

[twin geyser]

I hope as well...

[dusk niche]

Such a shame descent has so much potential and they ruined it

[nocturne hedge]

Instead of reaching loop 40 imo it should be X loops within a season, like 100 let's say

Makes it more accessible but grindy at the same time

[red ledge]

I personally hope not 😛

Things have been getting more interesting for me ever since I delver more into Descrnt

[twin geyser]

If you're just getting into it - sure, it's cool. But not after reaching loop 40 every season + not missing a single week for the collectible + seeing no development of the mode at all. Abandoned, as college Kenly / Countdown / Summit

[red ledge]

Sure

[rustic bough]

Kenly's abandoned because everyone's graduated 🫡

[sharp radish]

Fall break?

[shrewd sphinx]

I keep hoping that they’ll add wildcard slots for talents to the NSA. Like an open slot for each color and for the exotic talent that when you play descent, you can choose a talent outside of the pool to go in that and have in the rotation.

That as well as additional weapons to go in that scale from gray up like the rest do in descent. Wouldn’t mind seeing an LVOAC in there.

[nocturne hedge]

One of the things i want to see is after getting the 6th skill tier, we should be able to pick 10 or 15% skill efficiency each loop

[twin geyser]

That's too difficult for them. Armor and red core are easy, but yellow - impossible

[nocturne hedge]

Honestly i wouldn't be surprised if they just say that

[viscid leaf]

Since they're adamant to keeping the talent pools, I want them to add a pool that simply has all of the talents. It'll be similar to how it originally was while still keeping the pool system that the devs like for some reason. Since the pool names are the 7 deadly sins, we're only missing Lust and Pride as rotation names so they can pick one of those. Everyone can have their cake and eat it too, even though the cake is not as good as it once was.

They could even bring back the Blind Justice exotic talent. I don't think it's a good talent but it would be very funny to see it return.

[dusk niche]

I completely forgot they couldn't be bothered to even complete the 7 deadly sins

[sharp radish]

New bug just dropped, finally found a full team only for it to start then immediately throw me into loop 2, black screen and only 1 dude with me

[rustic bough]

old bug, but it's rare

[sharp radish]

Well, i havent played descent with a full team since 2 weeks after the mode launched

[shrewd sphinx]

Aye, I hadn’t seen that bug for a while until this weekend.

Also got locked out of a room when an exploding barrel knocked me back 2 steps as I walked in. That hasn’t happened to me in a long time.

[young agate]

Let me guess, walking into the combustion lab on the elevated side

[rustic bough]

You never want to do that. Either blow the barrel up before you enter or don't get hit at all. The game finds ways to lock you out if you're not careful.

[shrewd sphinx]

Aye, haven’t been in a group where it happened for so long thought it was fixed. Silly.

[rugged turtle]

is it still envy?

[viscid leaf]

Yes for 2 hours.

[young agate]

Sloth is on the clock bois

[calm patrol]

Sloth maybe will better when Next Update full Auto Rifle implement it, its cover, swapping, and Skill Build for. Maximum damage.

And Rifle good for the build, atleast in my mind.

[stiff rain]

if you're playing a skill build in sloth, you're doing it wrong

[calm patrol]

its for weapon damage.

[stiff rain]

i personally play shotgun and smg to capitalize on versatile as much as possible. it's really strong in descent

[young agate]

I dunno, I can build a pretty mean oxidizer build in sloth

[stiff rain]

loop 40?

[rugged turtle]

now youve enticed me to run sloth... when all i wanted to do was avoid and watch for something else to come up.
you running anytime soon?

[stiff rain]

i usually run on weekends, but not this weekend. maybe next week

[young agate]

No

[rustic bough]

But we might not have Sloth next week 😭

[stiff rain]

gluttony loop 40 then 💀

[rustic bough]

The last piece of the puzzle

[twin geyser]

Imagine them adding loop 40 commendation for beating it on every rotation 💀

[frozen radish]

what's everyone's highest solo loop?

[harsh violet]

30

couldn't bother going further

[grim creek]

19 here

some pretty good run was wasted from disconnecting

[dusk niche]

When are they gonna fix the broken armor kits in descent? Two times in a row with Nemesis it didn't work 💀

[young agate]

26, it was before they went to talent pools

Frankly I was relieved to have been taken out, it took forever and my fingers were starting to hurt

[rustic bough]

I'd still do it. Right now the average player is just waiting for Envy to get the patches.

I have gotten to loop 40 on all rotations except Gluttony

[frozen radish]

Solo?

[rustic bough]

Nah

[stiff rain]

i bet he can do it

he's a goat

[rustic bough]

Only Envy

But it took 11 hours cuz I got bored half-way

[calm patrol]

is rotation already changed?

I want to play descent but if still sloth, I will not play

[rustic bough]

it's Envy

[compact jewel]

34 I think

[red ledge]

18

I wanna go higher, but I need to have a lot of free time for that and to also play smart regardless of how powerful I'd get

[half hinge]

I want descent comms, but I hate the nemesis fight, how do I cheese it?

[stiff rain]

blinder firefly, riot foam, incendiary ammo, keep picking weapon damage over armor

[half hinge]

Huh, will try to remember that

[viscid leaf]

35. I got very tired and got stuck on a set of stairs while a rusher was on me.

[twin geyser]

Two more weeks to complete the Comms collection... for now

[jolly cave]

Is it listed anywhere that they are going to be unable to farm out next Season?

[twin geyser]

Since catch-up mechanic isn't active now, and I haven't skipped a single week - I don't want to find it out hard way

[nocturne hedge]

I thought serj meant new ones might be added, not that the current ones become unobtainable

[jolly cave]

If that's the case, then literally nothing is going to change and there's no need to worry.
If it does change, there's nothing you can do about it and there's still no reason to worry.

[red ledge]

Thing is, a dozen of players hate Descent and hate the fact there's a lot of lore locked behind it.

Personally, I don't mind getting more Descent comms next season, but my lingering question is what they're gonna focus on. Maybe the Ortiz Couple and how they've been holding up since the outbreak?

We do know this season's comms focused on story beats that meant to be played out in Heartland prior to its cancellation

[nocturne hedge]

Agreed, that's my complaint as well. Descent comms aren't about Descent anymore

[young agate]

When you get in, run across the left-hand side, up a flight of stairs and to the right, gives you a high-ground advantage and a well-defendable position

This season's descent comms have been absolute bangers, my question is whether it's all just making up for Heartland not being released or if it's setting up for the future of the IP

[rugged turtle]

Whats current rotation at?

[delicate idol]

envy

[red ledge]

It feels more like focuses on story beats that were gonna play out in Heartland. Silver Creek, LINC, and mutated Green Poison.

And of course, some comms involve Agent Hoskins going to Silver Creek to find the Hunter roster as well as Birdie explaining how Division and Black Tusk share the same network and Black Tusk's Biometrics security systems

[ivory magnet]

hi I had a super weird thing happen

We were running descent and then it all froze solid for me, super weird, my buddies are still in and everything is fine, I just got delta 03'd though

I can show a video of what happened?

[stiff rain]

that's just a normal delta 3

everyone gets it

[young agate]

You got disconnected and they are still able to progress? PS5 would have made the next room inaccessible, must be a PC thing?

[delicate idol]

just happened to me

[rugged turtle]

is it true that EU side has more Descent players than NA/Asia?
Friend saying he always joins an EU buddies lobby and matchmakes and gets queued up alot quicker than NA?

[twin geyser]

Welcome to the game mode, where you can waste multiple hours, get crashed and have no chance to jump back in

[red ledge]

After finishing this envy run less than an hour, I'll never doubt Bullet Hell ever again

[rocky bison]

Got 3 comms this week on my second acc ( for those who are missing descent comms )

[young agate]

Noice, I think I'm 2 weeks behind

[red ledge]

The last comm should be out next week

[calm patrol]

it will increase right for the comms, same as like previous season.

[red ledge]

I expect we'll get 20 additional comms for next season

[young agate]

For the sheer number of them I kinda hope we get something like patch for having all decent comms collected, would be pretty rare I reckon

[tight spear]

is it normal that the nemesis is impossible as a group? that one dude just instakilled 3 of us with a single oxidizer foam

[viscid leaf]

The more players in a group = more Nemesis with more health. His offensive skills are always super deadly with oxidizer being one of his most dangerous.

[tight spear]

yeah but we went only armor cores the full run and it literally oneshot us, the health they have isnt really a problem but they do way to much damage. we couldnt even dodge and it killed us before there even was a visual

[young agate]

I do the same and yea, nemesis oxidizer is a spicy meatball

[stiff rain]

nemesis does so much damage that armor is meaningless

better go damage and kill them faster

[young agate]

Taking all blue cores until nemesis is what I do as well, sometimes being able to take that extra bullet is the difference when time spent ADS and out of cover is at a premium

[primal obsidian]

Remember that for the most part the nemesis copies skills your team have. In some cases ie decoy, he will not likely have it and it will be a random skill. I always try to go with riot foam, blinder firefly, burn sticky

[calm patrol]

I hope coming days, Breathe Free, BloodSucker, Payment in Kind, Pummel, and Allegro with LMG. My dream Descent Build.

[mighty tartan]

Why do I have a feeling we’re going to get more comms

Like 28 more

[jolly cave]

"oh no, an entirely optional bit of lore I can just look up later, MSV you monsters".

[dusk niche]

Sometimes it's not relevant sometimes it is (Birdie was introduced in descent comms before the recruiter mission)
It's bad design but they don't care, they just revived Keener and Theo with no logical explanation

[wraith mountain]

Logical explanation: "Keener somehow returned".

[red ledge]

God forbid a rogue like mode has lore in it /sarcasm

[rustic bough]

God forbid any incentive ever to do Descent

[calm patrol]

we will, the same case happen previous Season.

and I hope so and the story Heartland and more context silver creek we need more explanation with Heartland Story.

[twin geyser]

It's actually funny, that comms is the only motivation (besides loop 40 once per season) to enter Descent. Left abandoned, but still lurking us in with lore comms

[rustic bough]

Dunno about you, but Descent is my kind of casual fun

And Legendary missions

[stiff rain]

truly what a goat would say

[rustic bough]

🤔

[delicate idol]

i love Descent

[amber schooner]

Me too i just am never able to get a group

[delicate idol]

I can only play weekends cause of work. mostly just go solo

[ashen bloom]

I think we can't blame MSV, after all it is hard to tell a story in a live service game. (I mean seasonal story, not the base game)

[humble halo]

Carry me last time diem Carried me and i was jailed for it

[rustic bough]

huh

[humble halo]

Right you haven't seen it

Sent you the pics Thanks @stiff rain for jailing me

[stiff rain]

sir

[rustic bough]

interesting roleplay there

[jolly cave]

Let's keep that to DM's from now on, it's weird for everyone else.

[meager wyvern]

My buddy and I finally had some very favorable RNG on Wrath the other day. Plague/Bloodsucker/BH by loop 8. Then just slowly built up Unhinged/Surgical/Oblit/Intim/Allegro/Strained with Braced/SteadyHanded/Lucky Shot. Using the Vector was hilarious. Unfortunately had to stop at round 30, easily could have gone to 40. But it was 4am and we hadn't planned on playing past Nemesis.

[dusk niche]

Finally done with the descent comms
Unless there's a WORKING catch up mechanism I hope the comms are gone for good

[smoky needle]

I remember descent get 90 comms in TU22 PTS

[young agate]

90 new or 90 total?

[twin geyser]

pls, no 💀

[mighty tartan]

Is Backfire talent in this mode?

Just want to combine it with bullet hell

[frozen radish]

yes its there - not sure which rotation tho

[stiff rain]

envy i think?

[mighty tartan]

Does envy have bullet hell talent? I’m guessing not

[stiff rain]

i know that the rotation that has payment in kind also has bullet hell

just can't remember if it was envy

oh yes it is indeed envy

[young agate]

Yes it is and it's as glorious as it sounds

[red ledge]

90 new or 90 total?

Either way, any incentive for me to continue playing Descent is fine by me

[rustic bough]

An incentive to be decent

[smoky needle]

90 total of course, so at least 18 new comms next season

[nocturne hedge]

Oh for God's sake tell me you're joking

[red ledge]

I presume its not a joke.

Then again, this is probably 9/11 for people who hate Descent

[pine siren]

A good time to learn to control that impulse to collect everything. I gave up months ago, don't regret it in the slightest

[red ledge]

Haters can throw tantrums all they want. I wanna collect those comms and I wanna learn more of the story behind Descent

[young agate]

Would be cool if they added a third simulation locale or some new rooms or something...

[red ledge]

I'm sure nature boy will throw tantrums about the addition of new comms for next season like he always does

[dusk niche]

Yawn grow up, as if I'm the only one not happy with the way they've implemented things

[red ledge]

You hate Descent so much that you acts lik its ruining your life. Why should I listen to you?

[dusk niche]

Overreacting much? I don't know you so I'm sure where you get the idea it's ruining my life lol

If you have a problem just block me idc

[red ledge]

Uh-huh. Sorry that I like a rogue-like mode, which is antithesis to a looter shooter, apparently.

Apparently, I should also be hated for even enjoying the story of Descent as well

[uncut sail]

[open gate]

hello guys which rotation is now?

[stiff rain]

greed

[jolly cave]

@crisp yarrow This channel is just for discussing the mode, you're looking for #lfg-playstation. GL Agent

[ashen bloom]

I was having a good time on the "blue only" run but not even that amount of armor could survive the DELTA-03.

[rustic bough]

That's it, we found ANNA's vulnerability

[main gyro]

F

[calm patrol]

hello, Which Rotation Descent right now?

[dusk niche]

Gluttony

[mighty tartan]

Any extra comms added?

[red ledge]

Yes