td2-descent

[twin geyser]

Said it from the first iteration on PTS (like lots of other agents) - didn't help at all. They don't care

[midnight pelican]

maybe for you, but not for hardcore players like me

[nocturne hedge]

Hardcore players i guess can make work of anything

[humble halo]

Hardcore players only play for fun

No matter the build difficulty becomes enjoyable mark of a true hardcore player

[tame yacht]

I really wonder how can a hardcore player enjoy sloth rotation

[twin geyser]

I'll watch loop 40 stream on a "Sloth" rotation, pls

[humble halo]

i only do legendary zoo/tidal on MM real HC

ain't got time for loop40

that amounts to my free time in a day

[twin geyser]

fair enough - no checkpoints and no reconnect option

[humble halo]

at least missions have that

you can invite someone if they delta or dc

but no i have never gone over loop18 and never will

too much time required for me

to get that much continues time i do nemisis run

[rocky bison]

How many times have you reached loop 40 with sloth or gluttony ?

[timid lichen]

What is sloth?

[timid mauve]

the chilling out creature

[tame yacht]

It's the name of 1 out of 7 Descent Talent Rotation, and in my opinion, Sloth is the worst.

If i remember it correctly, Sloth only have optimized as a "good" utility talent, and optimized isn't that good tbh.

[wispy oyster]

Wait then which rotation is the best?

cuz was playing descent with shotgun and I need good rotation for shotgun build

[fading gust]

Is there a way to see all descent talent pools and the talents in each pool? Like a list of them all

[rocky bison]

What the hell ???

The roation is Sloth again .....

we just had this before gluttony ....

4 days ago

[pine siren]

Might be a random pick each time instead of a fixed cycle.

[tidal night]

first 7 might have been fixed to show them all off and then random

[nocturne hedge]

Same rotation twice in a row lmao

[tidal night]

you're my go to when it comes to Descent - what has the talent rotations been since resolve?

[timid mauve]

no, never saw the lust

[twin geyser]

5 rotations, but we still miss 2 sins (lust and another one).
I stopped playing the game until they fix manhunt % glitch and descent comms

[tidal night]

Lust and Pride

[deft island]

Maybe when the see Descent player stats dropping down sharply every time Sloth is on, they’ll start thinking about focusing more on what players want, not what they think it’s good for the game. Just adding more and more talents for the heck of it is nonsense. Or maybe not, it’s Ubisoft 🤣

[rocky bison]

Well the last sentence said it all xd

[dusk niche]

They never make big changes mid season so unless they tweak the talents it's gonna be like this until next season

Unless they revert the talent rotation descent has gone to trash, I don't think they can make a "good" talent rotation

[humble halo]

I don't think they even know what they did to descent

[rocky bison]

Wrath and Envy are not bad , but others are just trash

[ionic plover]

Is it dropping comms this week?

Nevermind - I thought the update was being done today, but looks like it wasn't

[rocky bison]

Yea

[olive lotus]

sloth again

[long wyvern]

wtf is this. i just finished a room and was about to leave the room but stopped sorta between the door to read something. the door opened as usual but then closed with me still in the room. wont open again and i am trapped in the room... probably have to restart. what a waste of time

[olive lotus]

I've had that happen a few times. if you try to roll away from the door back into the room, it will teleport you into the hallway

[mighty tartan]

Comms?

[jolly cave]

When the update drops, so it's possibly next reset, or whenever it does.

[long wyvern]

The teleport didn't happen for me. After restarting and trying to replicate the bug, the teleport worked. Yet another unreliable feature

[olive lotus]

well hopefully it helps in the future

[tidal night]

That's a surefire way to get banned from the Discord

[rocky bison]

If they would visit the discord messages , the game wouldn't be sinking in mess right now

[nova comet]

Do not ping the ubisoft staff. Please reread the rules.

[rocky bison]

ok

[timid mauve]

why bother pinging if assume they don't read message

[tidal night]

To be fair, there's easily about 1000+ messages a day on the server - and considering how long it takes to hear anything on a properly sourced bug report (through their system), well

[rocky bison]

That is true , but that TD2 tickets from Ubisoft discord should be moved here so TD2 devs can read them directly rather than waiting for 6 months till a ubi moderator transfer the ticket to a div 2 dev

[tidal night]

TDS? Ubisoft Discord? I'm talking about through the proper channel (their support system, mentioned in their trello on "How to Report Bugs/Issues") that goes straight to them, because I select TD2 as the game.

[rocky bison]

That thing is broken for a long time , i'm still waiting for an answer since december to one of my tickets , even when they answer , they answer something nonsense and completely off topic , Like i did suggest to bring lost elis memos to the manhunt drops and they said try to restart your modem like what the hell is this

[tame yacht]

Envy and Wrath although Wrath will be "nerfed" on next Title Update

[wispy oyster]

So envy is the best choice?

[tame yacht]

Yes

[wispy oyster]

Alright, thanks for info

[tame yacht]

imo, all rotation is "playable" except for Sloth and Gluttony but if you want to push your limit, Envy and Wrath is the best option, even after the nerf of Wrath, i would still vote Wrath as 2nd best

[tidal night]

TU21? How do you know it's getting "nerfed" in TU21? How do you even know what's in TU21?

[wispy oyster]

Alright got that, since I’m quite new player in division 2

[tame yacht]

I mean TU20.2

[tidal night]

Ah, strained appearing twice thingy?
We're still missing two sins aswell 🤨

[tame yacht]

double strained cause the game to make Strained level limitless but imo that kind of bug actually entertain the game mode, they should tweak some talents max level

[humble halo]

They meant to restart wifi router at Ubisoft data centres

[rocky bison]

😂 😂

[golden stratus]

Wait… I just started playing descent and thought this rotation was pretty good? Busy bee incessant chatter and liberty or death with an m60 I was able to hit 25 pretty easily. Y’all are saying there’s better and easier talents ?

[jolly cave]

You'll learn pretty quickly in this channel that people will complain about anything that's not absolutely flawless.
which yes, is silly because Descent is a rogue-lite, and that is the entire point.

[tidal night]

It comes down to sloth being quite heavy on Skill-related talents.
Utility only has Optimized for non-skill.
Defensive seem alright, Offensive too.
Exotic-wise, you don't run Capacitance, Disruptor or Kinetic. Busy Little Bee is also very niche, Chatter requires you to be close for it to be effective with the ROF.
It's mediocre compared to, say, Wrath.

[frozen radish]

I think this is inaccurate in a lot of ways. 1, people dont complain about everything. if you've been following this channel regularly - most (and by most I mean 99% of Descent players) have been raising reservations about Talent rotation ever since it got proposed, all the way through PTS (and it was highlighted in the dedicated feedback channel as well) and concluding to right now. you also touched upon the point of this mode - can you share the guideline on what it should be?

[rocky bison]

Try to reach loop + 30 and say this again , and how many hours did it take for you to reach loop 25 ?

[rocky bison]

We don’t expect anything perfect from Ubisoft since long time ago , just not being trash and useless is our biggest expectation

[golden stratus]

4.5 hours and with chatter and an lmg I clear out rooms in less than a minute most times.

[rocky bison]

True , as a matter of fact we are trying to suggest things that makes this game mode better while most of the recent updates just made it worse , and such message from a moderator just shows a glimpse of how they don’t actually get what the player wants and simply ignore the tickets while thinking ( they are always angry , well do what we want )

[rocky bison]

That is so bad my friend , with good rotation you can reach loop 41 in 4 hours

Something like envy and wrath

And the real challenge start with loop +30 , below that is just a training for what’s coming

[golden stratus]

Oh. Idk I’ve only played the last two rotations and I see everyone says it’s so bad… but I was having fun 🤣

[rocky bison]

The reason is , end game player who are into descent , just want to test their limits to see the highest loop they can reach and such rotations like Sloth and gluttony , really made things worse

[golden stratus]

And if anything over 25 is hard… I thought I was pretty good at the game. I got exploded by every black tusk equipment item I could take. I’m a noob then lol

[rocky bison]

And of course higher loops means the increase chance of boss rooms to appear and also higher amount of NSA token you can get to purchase reconstructed caches

For example , if loops 40 takes 6 hours average .

The last 2 hours are the moment it pays off with the amount of NSA token you obtain

[golden stratus]

I also have not bought anything from the nsa table except recon caches and the extra talent (which is amazing I might add). I’ve tried to find some YouTube guides and stuff to figure out the best builds and runs. However, I’ve never even played with the talents they’re talking about

[rocky bison]

It’s good until loop 30 , but starting from loop 30 you can totally sense the difficulty increase with rouge agents which can be totally cleared with good rotations , but not so good with sloth or gluttony

[golden stratus]

Well, hopefully the game only feels better with different talent rotations. I’ve literally only played with those two rotations lol!

[rocky bison]

I my self really like descent , and I only hope devs take these suggestions into work and specially add checkpoints , since the game is suffering from lots of crashes and delta 3 , specially in PC ( as you can check the tickets in TD2 section in Ubisoft discord server )

And I don’t specifically mean hard checkpoints like something we have in summit , but a soft checkpoint like normal missions , where you can come back to where you where after you return instantly after crash/ delta 3

[golden stratus]

Now I feel real bad.. I was 7 hours into descent on my first run to 22 granted I took a lot of breaks because of things at the house. But as I was killing the boss on loop 22 my game crashed and I felt… demoralized. I can’t even phantom level 40 lmao and I have thousands of hours between Xbox and pc in division

[rocky bison]

I can totally feel your pain , the pain of wasted time since the good nsa tokens comes in the last moments of your run , one time I crashed during loop 38 after 4:38 hours and couldn’t get the tier 1 patch that time and it felt really bad 🙂

[golden stratus]

Most tokens I’ve gotten in a single run was 1600 and I got 8 caches. Felt like Christmas on that 25 loop run. I’m excited to see what the next talent pool is then

[rocky bison]

Btw I did reach loop 41 with this build

Oh you can’t send picture here , I’ll send you then

[rocky bison]

After the loop 40 run , I got 6 caches from the descent it self and 19 reconstructed caches from the tokens I earned

( 25 in total )

[golden stratus]

That sounds insane. Can’t you tell I’m a descent noob 🤣

[rocky bison]

And of course this number can vary depending on the gacha chance , since it’s not always 100% chance to earn recon caches after killing nemesis or reaching certain loop , and of course numbers of boss rooms appearing is depended on the chance as well , I was pretty lucky that day

[rocky bison]

Not at all , you reached loop 25 with sloth , you can do a lot better in better rotations 🙂

Let’s play if we get something like wrath or envy

[golden stratus]

Names RogueBroly always lookin for new people to play with. Been solo player for last 5 years since everyone I know left

[tidal night]

Just wanna point out they are community moderators and NOT employed by Ubisoft.
There's a point to what she's saying. On average, humans will only comment - complain - when something is bad. If a situation is status quo or good, eh, that's how it's "supposed to be".
You're more likely to leave a bad review on something, because you're frustrated with a product than you are to leave a 3-5 star review, because "it is as expected".

With that being said, talent rotations aren't going anywhere - so the best thing you can do is either accept it - or come up with ideas on how to improve upon it. How do you iterate upon the concept without removing it?

Issue with there still being loop 40 patches is how the devs have explicitly said they want to shorten the run length of Descent (that's why you can now get to Nemesis on loop 4).
I'm with you on soft checkpoints, I wish they existed at the start of every loop - not only crashes, but in general - let me leave and go back to the run I was doing. They've said it simply isn't possible with Descent, because of some backend technicalities. I'd argue with how they've explained it works that you could make a workaround, but it's not in their priority.

In any case, I genuinely think they should mark Descent as "Beta" - just like Hardcore is marked like it.

[rocky bison]

Totally agree with your last part

[golden stratus]

The only thing I could say is make the talent pools last up until the nemesis and then open it up to allow those who want deeper loop runs to use their credits. I noticed by loop 10ish, maybe 15, I’ve got both skills I want and guns I want and those credits just stack up for nothing. Only thing you can spend them on is ammo or medkits mid run.

[rustic bough]

Or remove the stack limit on some talents

Or increase them

[frozen radish]

Genuine Que - if you have an answer to this , maybe we can have a conversation around talent rotation. Que - what is the purpose of talent rotation? What is it accomplishing ? There were reasons given for gear lock and other proposed changes - what is the perceived reason for this ?

Imagine - there is a new patch that allows only half gear sets/brand sets / exotics to be used in your build for a week and there will be a different set following week. For example you can only play badger/providence/aces/sweet dreams and similar pre chosen set next week - you get the idea

And now we are all just debating which set is better vs worse , without questioning what the purpose of this rotation was. So I ask again - why did we do this again?

[golden stratus]

I think it was introduced to create variety and variable gameplay. Make you venture from the same build every single time. Experience different styles of gameplay. The problem with the open world is.. your stats don’t reset every run. If that’s what you wanted to do was use whatever whenever where ever, play open world or dz or what not. The problem with the talents at all is there are a handful of good ones and the rest aren’t on par. Balance them would also be a great plan or introduce better ones.

[tidal night]

If the main game was a roguelike, sure, fair comparison - but it isn't.
I could compare it to Slay The Spire in two ways.
You pick a class to start your run with and certain classes plays in certain ways, because of their specific cards.
Class = Talent Rotation in this instance, but we cannot choose it.
Else you could compare it to the Daily Challenge (been a while since I played, might remember it wrong) which is a set challenge/playstyle - not unlike the Talent Rotation.

It's a difficult one, because how much variety can you really get in this game when it comes to builds in Descent? I like the premise of rotations, especially how you describe it Broly.
But in reality. Before Nemesis? No tank, no healer, no skill, just DPS.
And after nemesis, what is viable for long runs? Are skill viable? Tank? Isn't it only dps aswell? (These are real questions as I am simply not experienced enough in the gamemode)

[frozen radish]

I don’t know why we keep bringing up rogue like as an argument for talent rotation . Where is that guideline established ? This is about choice and limiting the pool of choice to force a pre-determined , randomly put together play style - and as a trade off it a certain player base switched off for days/weeks , that’s an acceptable outcome to them. I brought up limiting gear sets in open world to show the same thought process , let’s limit choice and offer pre-determined sets, when NO ONE, literally NO ONE asked for it

[tidal night]

I don't know - if you don't see my point, then you're too frustrated in general for me to bother with continuing the conversation.

[frozen radish]

I did see your point in the very end where it says you aren’t experienced enough in the game mode. Everything you believe prob makes a bit more sense in light of that. And I’ll work on my tone if I came off as frustrated coz I am not

[tidal night]

Guideline established - what do you mean by that exactly? Descent is a roguelike game mode.
Division 2 in itself is not, so I do not think your comparison to gear sets makes any sense at all.
That's why I compared it in two different ways to Slay The Spire as a way of furthering Brolys point of variety and variable gameplay

[olive lotus]

wrath is on now

[undone warren]

does salvage work with bullet hell?

[golden stratus]

Why would it… there is no mag? Haha

[lime basin]

bullet hell overrides talents that rely on reloading

[undone warren]

salvage doesnt require reloading

[undone warren]

just wondering if it regains ammo

if the game still thinks theres a magazine

[golden stratus]

I mean if you switch weapons for a moment you can see the mag size. No magazine talents work with it. At least not to my knowledge. Accept when you gain accuracy and stability that constantly resets.

Like optimist and such don’t function because there is no mag size

[undone warren]

oh ok so no salvage with bullet hell. Gotcha

[golden stratus]

Correct, don’t use any talents that relate to mag size or reloading, because they don’t work with bullet hell.

[undone warren]

so lucky shot doesnt work either

[golden stratus]

Correct.

[undone warren]

oh wow

[stiff rain]

optimist absolutely still functions

the mag size is still there, the mag automatically refills when you spend over half the mag, but optimist still works for the bullets you spent

[golden stratus]

Is there any proof of that? Because any time I’ve used the two together it doesn’t feel any different. But I for sure don’t do the math on damage so.

[stiff rain]

one is just that numbers go up. two is if you got optimist as your most recent weapon talent you will see its meter on the side of your weapon. shoot and you'll see the bar go up until halfway when bullet hell refills the mag and it goes back to 0 again

optimist is one of the strongest talents to add awd in descent, just behind unhinged for that purpose

if you keep stacking it you'll see it reaping benefits even if you use bullet hell

[golden stratus]

Well, thank you for that info. Because I was under the understanding it didn’t work together so I dumped optimist 🤣

[humble halo]

Well optimist will never reach max potential for bullet king

Cause BK will realod the weapon half way

But it will give half of what it usually gives

[undone warren]

so does salvage technically work with bullet king? as well as lucky shot?

[stiff rain]

yes, both work

[undone warren]

cheers mate

[golden stratus]

Why would you use any mag talent or reload talent… nvm do you hah

[undone warren]

just because with bullet hell i lose ammo quick

and theres no better utility talent to have instead. Might as well have it.

[rocky bison]

yessss

[frozen radish]

If someone uses strained for example, you could choose to shoot continuously between different waves to keep the stacks up. Lucky shot will make sure you don’t run out of ammo - just an example of an instance where you would want lucky shot with bullet hell

Esp in this rotation where you can stack strained > 10

[rustic bough]

so I just did a duo run where we were in loop 7 and I got abruptly put into my own session at loop 1, and my teammate went down a loop but the enemies stayed the same

weirdest glitch I've seen in all my time playing Descent

[humble halo]

Yeah happened to me too at loop 10 and I was put in my session at start and stuck there no menu nothing nada had to force kill the game

[tidal night]

That's what I'm saying, they should slap a "Beta" on the game mode.
There's bugs elsewhere, but every other gamemode in the game doesn't reset your entire progress. If you have something like Descent, the game needs to be flawless, bugfree

[golden stratus]

Rip. Loop 25 and an enemy stuck behind a door. 🙂

[deft island]

Looking at the Descent blueprints pinned here. Has anyone got the fire starter blueprint? Being a specialization named weapon, I doubt it’s a blueprint? It doesn’t make much sense

[stiff rain]

it got removed iirc

[nocturne hedge]

Read the list like 5 times to make sure it didnt have any issues, still forgot to remove Firestarter. Fixed it now.

[undone warren]

I know you've updated it loads, but technically lefty isnt a descent blueprint. Its a blueprint that you had to get from season 10 i believe

[nocturne hedge]

Im 99% sure lefty wasn't in a reward track since i maxed out that season and just recently got the BP from descent

[undone warren]

then you ignore me 🙂

[meager wyvern]

The devs wanted to streamline the experience in Descent because they added an exotic that can only be obtained from Descent. Basically, simplify it for the players that played it once when it came out, and decided they didn't like the mode, now that players will have to play Descent in order to get a piece of kit.

[nocturne hedge]

Aaaand the vindicator sucks ass

[meager wyvern]

Ironic, isn't it?

[frozen radish]

How does this streamline the experience sorry? simplify it for new players - how does separating all the talents in pre-determined pools that rotate in a 3-day frequency make it simpler: was there quantitative feedback from these 'new players' that said at PTS - 'yes it made the experience simpler and we will play it now? (vs giving up on it previously)

[meager wyvern]

On the subject of "Rogue like" and what that means. There are multiple sub genre and everyone has their flavor. My issue with Descent is that the devs didn't seem to pick a style. Broadly you have your deckbased and random talents types. Descent is like a mix of the two in the worst way. No deck management for lots of talents, so RNG can be brutal. But RNG would be fine even with the number of talents we have if any 1 level in a talent was more powerful.

[pine siren]

it simplifies talent picking because you don't need to reroll so much early loops to get what you want (out of what's available). Less choice = simpler, and it makes nemmy runs quicker & easier

[meager wyvern]

With less talents drops overall, maybe two per loop., but talents have 3 levels.

[meager wyvern]

There is just way less to pick from and now Nem is even faster to get too. Which will give you the bulk of NSA credits and a chance for the BP's that drop from Descent

[frozen radish]

so there is an assumption here which is subjective dont you think? would it be simple for me to pick what I want from 50 talents, or you make the choice for me and askme to pick out of 10 bad ones. when I like your choice, its simple - when I dont - I should just skip that week. very simplistic logic but flawed as its presumptious

[frozen radish]

nemesis heat raised per room is def a step in the right direction to kill nemesis faster and speed up the runs

everything else is assumption-based

also I do understand that this looks different for a casual who just wants to get to nemesis and log off. I have 120K NSA credits and my highest loop is 52 (12 times > 40 loops) so I play this quite a bit and my feedback could be quite different to yours

just unfortunate that its minority

[pine siren]

yeah my feedback is entirely based on just doing short nemesis runs, I understand it looks very different for players who want to do a long dive

[meager wyvern]

I mean, I'm setting at 45k NSA, and really only play it with my buddy, time off allowing. Definitely not a hardcore player, but I mean I wouldn't call myself a casual. lol

[frozen radish]

the differentiating factor of the rogue-like is that its infinite progression. I can see why ppl do 5 loops and log off, sometimes I do too. but for me the real charm is pushing myself to see how far can I go. and the new system is counter to that

[frozen radish]

out of curioisity how many 40+ do you have ?

[meager wyvern]

Oh, ok. Yeah for the players that like do short runs, this is a pretty good change for that style of play. I like the pushing things how far they will go and trying different ideas, which some are pretty much gone now with the talents pools, or not as effective.

[meager wyvern]

My buddy and I are cursed. Loops 33 - 36 at least 20 times. fml

[frozen radish]

thats very good for a team of 2, its easier if you have a squad of 4 coz everyone can take a door after 15

[meager wyvern]

Just the nastiest rogue encounters in the worst rooms for them

Pretty much our thoughts, cant get them locked down fast enough.

Also, absolutely weird sync issues after about loop 25 start happening for us. Despite living a mile apart and having good internet with good latency. One of us will have our game session behind in time, by about .5-1 second. So we'll die to a grenade that just appears and explodes

Network stats dont show any dropped packets, similar latency, etc.

[rustic bough]

Yeah it's weird.

[twin geyser]

I want to see statistics for descent population during "Sloth" rotation

[deft island]

Nope, it’s a descent BP 100%

[olive lotus]

it's poppin on wrath

[undone warren]

Yeah you're right. Literally just got the blueprint

[golden stratus]

Maybe I’m just really bad at descent. It took about 6 hours to get to 31 in wrath.

Idk what weapons to use and I never got a Famas or police m4. Sad face

[golden stratus]

Anyone have the meta wrath build? I need to get to 40 and got slapped at 32 😮‍💨

[stiff rain]

any meta one must have intimidate

then you have the rest to be crit talents, i assume you know what to pick from there

[olive lotus]

6 hours is about on pace for loop 30

if you're really dialed in you can get there in 3 or 4 hours

[olive lotus]

but with wrath imo you have more than 1 good option. you can build weapon damage or crit

[twin geyser]

thanks to the "strained" talent problem, my team (I left at loop 31) managed to beat loop 40 in 4 hours and 22 minutes (our previous record without glitches \ issues was 4 hours and 40 minutes)

[rocky bison]

nice , if you wanted to do run , i'll join you , trying to find some people for loop 40 but couldn't atm

[golden stratus]

What problem ? I did notice however that I was able to get more than 10 of the strained. I’m assuming that is what you meant by problem but just making sure. It was just gun selection that hurt me. I only got terrible green smgs pistols and rifles. I never got a single good ar.

[twin geyser]

Well, one of my mates upgraded 'Strained" to 40+ lvl and was hitting 500+k crits 🙂

from SMG 🙂

[somber reef]

I thought strained got fixed ?

Or was it going to be fixed on next patch ?

[undone warren]

next patch yes

[golden stratus]

Is plague even worth using since the fix for the damage? I like adaptive instincts for the big damage buffs. Plague is good early but I feel like it falls of hard

[meager wyvern]

feels more useful early on. Was having an issue yesterday on PS5 with plague not stacking as well

[golden stratus]

Yeah it feels off later on after like 15

[rustic bough]

Plague is 🐶💩 now. Don't even bother.

When they fix strained Wrath will be the second worst rotation

[rustic bough]

I had the weirdest luck of getting to strained 10 at the end of loop 3

[golden stratus]

Worst than gluttony and sloth? Ain’t no way.

[trail crow]

How are people getting to floor 200 solo??

I looked at the leader boards

[golden stratus]

Exploits and cheating. Not only would the amount of time needed be physically improbable for a human being to play that long, but the difficulty would sky rocket, right? On average a “good” run to 30-40 takes about 6ish hours? You’re looking at 24+ hours straight and praying for no crashes lol

[olive lotus]

I imagine that difficulty stops scaling at a certain point

[tidal night]

I'm quite certain the enemies scale infinitely, but the player can only scale for so long.
There's no Superior or High-End weapons, the value of Weapon Damage/Red Core diminishes and talents doesn't scale infinitely, since you're locked to max 10

[golden stratus]

Besides the broken strain perk but still that’s not enough to hit 200 legit. Even 100 seems pretty hard. I hit 31 and died because I looked away from my computer for 5 seconds. lol

[golden stratus]

So what is everyone’s favorite talent pool then?

[rustic bough]

Without Strained, the good talents Wrath has is just.... adaptive instincts

But even then Adaptive Instincts isn't even that good

[golden stratus]

Bullet hell feels like an absolute must have… I have not played with breathe free yet so idk how that feels. Chatter was solid

[rustic bough]

So you could go a crit path but you lack agonizing bite. Could go with a headshot path but without concussion and rifleman

Or you could go with both but it makes little sense

[golden stratus]

I guess I understand why everyone is upset about the talent pools. But at the same time doing the same talents and guns feels boring? Or am I just dumb lol

[rustic bough]

Bullet hell, for me at least, has always been a bad talent. All it does is save you from reloading, but it doesn't help you conserve ammo. Salvage does. Pummel does

[golden stratus]

I use pummel with bullet hell and stack the damage and free ammo. At one point I never used any ammo with an m60. Always stayed about 1200

[rustic bough]

Oh and steady handed

Well yeah cuz it's an LMG

Big mag capacity

If you do it with a vector you're still gonna run out of ammo in one room

[golden stratus]

Yeah that makes sense. I just started decent last week. On sloth to be 100% precise. lol I was having an okay time in sloth then gluttony. But wraith feels like a ton more fun. I haven’t played with envy yet or greed. And of course if the other two sins ever show up

Like idk what the meta is period. I’m just trying random shit hopin it works lol.

[olive lotus]

tbh everyone sleeps on trauma + eyeless + vindictive

[stiff rain]

i don't think anyone serious sleeps on them

they're very strong

eyeless is a strong amp that continually gets procced with itself and trauma

[golden stratus]

This is another one that feels like a shotgun and lmg/ar are necessary. I wanna try envy out and see why that’s all the hype.

[rocky bison]

Rotation is Greed

shame , wanted Envy

[twin geyser]

After experimenting with different combos, you're looking for maximum efficiency per time. So it's the question of spending less time (3-4 hours instead of 6) for farming NSA tech

[humble halo]

Honestly I have never run past loop 13 iirc solo got bored don't have the time for 2+ hour loop

And I don't have anyone to run it with long loops

[rocky bison]

Well , add me !

[mossy moon]

What's the meta build now in general or at least in 'Greed" talent pool? Or at least where I can look up the talent build, for the pools/this one?

[stiff rain]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTJEX5DerCvOj3a_m36TRy1gPBAUvrduOIdmXI9j1Y0MpQk1wIXaZ9KOcPa7HzXzp_N5qGmjDj6yEfL/pubhtml#, "Descent Talents" tab

any meta build will have intimidate and a way to generate and maintain bonus armor (leadership + ad rush) to keep intimidate procced

other talents aren't as impactful so you can change around to fit your style, but intimidate is the core

[mossy moon]

ty!
is there a limit for blue core staking/armor since i had blue cores adrenaline rush bloodsucker at one point had barcode armor but did not seem to be able to increase the armor

[stiff rain]

you can only get bonus armor as much as twice your original (white) armor

[mossy moon]

may i ask how many blue cores 100%?

[stiff rain]

you don't need any

you need damage

descent scaling is so much worse than in the actual game that you really need as much damage as possible

[mossy moon]

I meant here is there a build guide for the different rotations? Not what is available, each rotation. Sorry if i said incorrectly.

[stiff rain]

no, there isn't any such build guide

i just gave you a general guideline because it depends on your playstyle

only intimidate is strictly required

[olive lotus]

I think you can do well with a headshot build

got regicide in there

[trail crow]

Id really love to see snapshots of your builds that reach higher floors. Anyone keep those types of things for each rotation?

[golden stratus]

That’s what I was looking for was just builds and talents and guns used. But every YouTube video is from the open complete general pool before. No ones made the “best of” with the new talent rotations.

[golden stratus]

so how do you actually keep bonus armor without bloodsucker? thats the only way ive been able to keep stacks

[trail crow]

Leadership?

And the one that gives the armor per enemy near you

[golden stratus]

Adrenaline rush and leadership. But if you get shot once those are basically gone.

[trail crow]

How high we talking?

I've done climbs where I only invest in blue cores and they were both fine

When without blue cores, I think it's all positioning

[golden stratus]

I’d like to get to 40 for the patch. I’ve managed 31 and was going well but screwed up a spawn and wasn’t paying attention to rogues

[stiff rain]

yes those 2

you just prevent yourself from getting shot. use foam

and camp doors

[olive lotus]

I would not use leadership due to the false cover bug

[stiff rain]

use it when there's downtime

and you can use it right before the engagement to stack it, it's not that hard. just follow this #td2-build-advice message

[rocky bison]

i'm up for the run

[rough nova]

Going to guess still no news on when the fix for Descent comms is going live?

[nocturne hedge]

nope

[tidal night]

Depends what you mean news?
We know the fix is coming in TU20.2 - we just don't know when TU20.2 is

[long wyvern]

Really hope we can get comms per nemesis defeat instead of once per week with 20.2. 52 weeks of weekly completions makes this one of the most time consuming collectibles subsets to complete. Getting like 5 a week would speed things up and not drag it out too much

[tidal night]

For all we know, 52 could be an arbitrary number - and there's only a set amount released as of now (31 total).
There's also supposedly a catch-up mechanic in place so you get multiple pr. week (when they decide to send out TU20.2, which probably has to fit with the lore)

[chrome lantern]

Ah yes, the bug that refuses to stay dead. This cover bug keeps coming back to us.

[rustic bough]

Tmw it's a cover-based shooter and they can't even get the cover part right

[odd nexus]

If you have agonising bite does it make every shotgun pellet hit for crit

[stiff rain]

yes

[tidal night]

See, that word isn't on the official ubi page describing neither div 1 or 2, so maybe they know 😳

[long wyvern]

interesting. where did you hear about this catch up mechanic? and this is supposed to be included in 20.2 aswell?

[pine siren]

Someone in the etf mentioned an intended catch up mechanic some months ago, and in the latest PTS for the current season, the first nemesis run gave me 4 comms (I was more than 4 weeks behind the current release at the time), the second nemesis run didn't give me any further ones.

[tidal night]

I'm unsure if it was a PTS specific thing, as the patch notes doesn't specify this change - so it remains to be seen on live.

[dawn igloo]

It may be that the first run gives you 4 and then subsequent weeks award 1, it happened on one of my alts that never touched descent before. But I agree that a catch-up mechanic is sorely needed, especially when bugs like these happen

[dusk niche]

Pretty sure a previous update last season tried to address the collectible backlog but of course it didn't
I doubt it'll be fixed with 20.2 either

[long wyvern]

im glad they are aware of the issue with the backlog and are testing some stuff.

either getting more than one on the first run of a new week would be fine or alternatively one per nemesis defeat without cooldown.

the latter one is basically how earning collectibles from previous seasons works now. the amount of bosses u defeat in a manhunt target mission of a previous season equals the amount of comms u get (dropping from each boss). since u defeat 1 nemesis it would only make sense they go that route. also, people would play descent more often since they could only get 1 comm per defeat instead of multiple on the first defeat.

[timid lichen]

How do the reconstructed caches work? When do you get them / how without nsa credits?

[stiff rain]

you have to reach certain loops, some have drop chance while some are guaranteed upon reaching

[chrome temple]

Any tips or tricks for descent beginner?

[rustic bough]

What's the current rotation?

[dusk niche]

Sloth

[olive lotus]

[timid lichen]

Which loop is guaranteed? Also what changes with the loops past the nemesis? Is it more waves? Also are there chungas/ tanks?

[stiff rain]

tagged you in the other channel

[twin geyser]

I wish the dude, who created this rotation set, never got his salary till he beats loop 40 with this one

[humble halo]

He has dev tools so it is ezy for him

[twin geyser]

No-no-no, he must suffer just like other players (from boredom + not working covers + one-shotting enemies at 30+ loops)

[humble halo]

Sad how Dev's don't realise their own game

They should just remove good for nothing talent

[twin geyser]

You need to launch it, but...

[rustic bough]

I did a run to loop 9. It was hell. Did not get Incessant Chatter. None of the talents or weapons benefitted me in any way.

Took us almost 2 hours to get to loop 9 lol

[nocturne hedge]

Jeez

[humble halo]

RiP

[twin geyser]

So descent population during Sloth was: 1 person, struggling to loop 9 💀

[dusk niche]

I have a small hope they'll remove or significantly tweak the talent rotation in the next patch but if they don't yeah as a customer they can keep descent as is and I'll keep my money

[twin geyser]

They ignored us on all PTS phases, why should they "listen" now?)

[tidal night]

It will in all likely not be touched upon till TU21 if it will. Small hope goes to them opening up a tweaking process, because there's no way they'll be removing it, let's admit.

[tidal night]

What money?
It's not like Descent is money generating.

[dusk niche]

It's not by itself but why give money for cosmetics or season pass if they're unable or unwilling to listen? Sounds foolish to me

I don't understand why they're so stubborn on Descent

[rustic bough]

They probably have some grandiose plan for us in the future but I think it's too little too late

[paper rock]

Sloth has to be the worst talent rotation, I hope to god they take this rotation shit out.

[timid lichen]

Do you guys do descent for fun or to get the reconstructed caches? I’m trying to enjoy it but …

[timid mauve]

100％ joy believe me

[bold finch]

I haven't been playing descent at all and it used to be my favorite mode

[golden stratus]

I grinded descent for about a week straight. A couple level 30 loops and a few 20 loops got me enough NSA to get all the unlocks and caches I needed. Got enough reconstructed caches to fill the BP library. Now I’m not even interested in playing it until good talents come around.

[timid lichen]

I see, it reminds me of the summit where you pretty much have all the directives on really especially when fighting black tusk / rikers with the overheal although I haven’t encountered black tusk yet.

I find that it’s straight up annoying that the enemies have skills that are so precise to your location, like you can bear with the true son / hyena turret but cleaners and outcasts… that drone and lawnmower

I want to enjoy it but I find that the doors that are highlighted sometimes just give you nowhere to take cover… I kind of died badly to this earlier lol

I also find it kind of rigged that named enemies are pretty much immune to certain skills / special ammo

The shock ammo is pretty op for what it is, but yours doesn’t do anything to named enemies

What skills do you guys generally run?

My first ever run to the nemesis I took burn chem and burn sticky and they work well to just deploy the skill at doors and ignite if ads spawn there but nemesis just needed up spamming them and wiped me

I’ve since only used foam, blinder, revive

[timid lichen]

How long do these take you on average and are you going for easy rooms?

I generally take about 40-50 minutes to get to loop 5 which is where I encounter the nemesis and leave afterwards but that’s just the time the game tells me I’m not sure if it’s accurate

[digital pond]

Went through a door to fight enemies, it closed after opening thinking I was in the room but I am not. Pretty sure I'm softlocked..

Had to kill myself, glad it doesn't teleport you in the room if you are behind the door when it shuts.

Like you know, every other door in the Division 2 does....

[tidal night]

The door in the burn room in DCD begs to differ

[ionic plover]

I just had this crazy idea that would make the nemesis boss fight more rewarding, what if at the end of the nemesis boss fight we got to choose between 3 guaranteed gearset talents, like for example after you kill the nemesis you get to choose gearset talents from a terminal like you get to choose between apex predator, heartstopper, and strikers gamble or whatever it rolls but you only get to pick one gearset talent and stick with it for the rest of your run

This probably isnt the place to be discussing fun ideas but it would be cool damnit

[tidal night]

This is exactly the place

[golden stratus]

I do mainly easy rooms until they stop becoming an option, unless there is a boss room for the nsa currency. I can get to the nemesis and kill him in usually about 30 minutes. My goal was to earn as much nsa currency as humanly possible each run not just beat the nemesis for a 50% chance. But the long runs typically took 4-6 hours each

[long wyvern]

I wouldn't play it that much if there weren't the reconstructed caches

[timid lichen]

I see and do you prioritize talents or nemesis heat?

[timid lichen]

It’s a nice change of pace from summit, it’s not abandoned / gloomy but it would be cool if they let you use the vindicator rifle in there

Considering the quote on the gun

[golden stratus]

Heat. By the time I hit nemesis I should be well enough off to kill it then prio talents

[rustic bough]

I take it back about what I said about BLB being mediocre - it's actually broken.
I managed to hit 642k headshot DMG with M870 + Intimidate + max stacks BLB at loop 10

[olive lotus]

I do hard rooms until nem, and easy/medium rooms after. until you run out of medium rooms anyway

if you want nsa credits, you should do as many hard rooms as possible to try to spawn rogues

[rustic bough]

Rogue rooms only give 10 NSA tech per room

[shy quail]

You also dont lose your stacks if you swap back to your main weapon

[rustic bough]

@shy quail Yeah I found out about it too

[shy quail]

Yeah its actually insane

[rustic bough]

I think I 3-tapped a named boss with the M60 lol

[long wyvern]

when i go for my weekly nemesis run i focus any room with as many red talents in it as possible, no matter if its hard, normal or easy. this way i always beat nemesis at the end of round 6 at the latest, mostly at the end of round 5.

[maiden canyon]

Boss rooms are the way to go

[frosty depot]

Under what conditions are exotic talents available at loop end, after first guaranteed one?

[olive lotus]

it’s rng

[meager wyvern]

Honestly, I would be fine if they just gave us a sandbox mode. Pick whatever talent you want at the end of a room. No NSA credits or caches or anything.

[meager wyvern]

That would be a great idea. Also, died with my buddy to Nemesis, 2 snipers turrets, a flame turret, 2 stinger hives and a healing hive and oxi were used against us. lol

[stiff rain]

Exotic chance changes based on current loop:

1: 100%
2-3: 5%
4-6: 25%
7-9: 35%
10+: 40%

[tidal night]

Hmmmmm, that could be interesting. Not sure if I'd want it to be unlocked from the get-go or a reward of some kind.
Take it even further than the talents, let us configure the rooms to test stuff aswell.

[humble halo]

I 3 tapped nemesis with blb stacks intimidate

With super 90

[frozen radish]

What do you mean, stacks start going the moment you switch

[shy quail]

Stack up then swap to activate stacks and swap back to your main dps weapon.

[timid mauve]

test yourself then say again

[long wyvern]

Sry what's BLB?

[stiff rain]

busy little bee

really strong

only drawback is you can't use it in 2 rogue encounters back-to-back because it requires stacking, but if you have a rogue encounter then some regular mob rounds to stack blb then it becomes pretty strong

pro tip: you can stack on dead enemies' weak points and shields

[wise granite]

pro pro tip: you can stack blb on proxies too

force the rogues to deploy their stuffs, shoot em, repeat until blb is topped

[cedar thorn]

any LFG tips?

[rocky bison]

Another garbage rotation

Gluttony

[dusk niche]

Vacation from descent extended 🤣

[olive lotus]

it's been like 3 months since we had envy

[rustic bough]

frfr

[tidal night]

Rotations wasn't implemented before the 6th of february

[humble halo]

At least it was not Feburary 29

We would get rotation every 4 year than

[jolly cave]

Aren't they on a 3 day change-up?

[olive lotus]

you're right. it was feb 8th

[rustic bough]

it's still random

[olive lotus]

that we had envy

[tidal night]

Okay, so a bit over a month, good talking

[rustic bough]

you could get e.g. Sloth - Gluttony - Sloth

[humble halo]

Yeah

At least you can't get 2 same in a row

[tidal night]

You need a new profile pic now

Rotations has been out for 41 days, this is the 14th "rotation" - with 5 different talent sets and no locked rotation, this is just how random goes.

[tidal night]

I'd just take the Petter emote lmao

[olive lotus]

no need to be rude lol

[tidal night]

I'm not. Am I breaking your ankles a bit? Yeah. Quite a difference between 3 months and 41 days :3

[olive lotus]

my angles are unbroken

[tidal night]

All we know about the rules of the rotation are:

• Duration, 3 days
• They don't repeat (could be by coincidence we haven't seen that)
• They aren't on a fixed rotation (atleast from what we've seen)
  We're bound to get Envy again, but rng be rng

[twin geyser]

The only rotation, which will ever be in a row is Sloth - the best and only

[random thunder]

Whats the point of actually doing the desent?

[pine siren]

fun, lore comms (once they finally fix them), blueprints, patches

[random thunder]

Are the blueprints worth it?

[pine siren]

'worth' very much depends who you're asking, it does include dz-locked named items like the Gift though

useful for people who want rare named items with specific rolls and don't want to farm dz for them

[random thunder]

Well looks like im running the descent after

[wise granite]

*fun only lasts for the first 10 runs you do

[twin geyser]

"fun" was before rotations

[pine siren]

fun is obviously entirely subjective, I'm not making any claims (personally I only play it for the comms), but that doesn't mean others can't find fun in it

hell, people farmed f10 over and over, presumably found 'fun' in the gaining of shd lvls

[rustic bough]

I'm having fun teaching new players the ways of the Descent. It's such a shame it's only picking up pace now

[stiff rain]

i love teaching them how to theorycraft and learn how to play with good movement. it's basically the same as me teaching how to play legendary in that regard

[frozen radish]

We still haven’t seen 2 rotations at all right ?

[olive lotus]

there are two unused sins, doesn’t mean they used them to make a set

there’s probably only 5 lol

[timid mauve]

iirc ignite wasn't included in the 5 sets, despite there is yellow slot available in certain set

[twin geyser]

That was rather super effective than extremely fun, tbh)

[stiff rain]

the folks in the community server datamined it and posted the rotations on the gear attribute sheet, they only see 5 sins rn

[pine siren]

Effective in gaining shd levels, which means that seeing number go up must be fun for them, or why else bother?

[twin geyser]

Saving time for apparel events

[timid mauve]

arguing what is fun wasn't fun topic

[pine siren]

Look, I'm not demanding you or anyone else justify their reasons, I'm just making the point that people find fun in different places, and that's ok. At the end of the day, it's a game, the only reason any of us play is to have fun (except maybe professional streamers/youtubers). It's entirely plausible some people find descent fun.

[humble halo]

Using 6pcs 5.11 is the most fun thing change my mind

[pine siren]

Reckon hypnotism or torture should do the job

[dusk niche]

Only valid if you've equipped all 5.11 apparel pieces

[olive lotus]

that’s just my irl outfit

[timid lichen]

do you guys run marksman rifle or AR/smg hunters fury style?

[olive lotus]

shotgun/lmg is the meta I think

[timid lichen]

i see ive mostly ran the overwatch, composure etc with marskman rifle and red buff but i find it gets you rushed very frequently

[olive lotus]

it depends on what talent pool it is

I will usually always use the famas if I find one

[timid lichen]

i like busy bee, incessant chatter, disruptor rounds

allegro

[dusk niche]

No major descent changes in 20.2 😕
Other than the audio comms dropping

[olive lotus]

wrath nerf

[rocky bison]

Any list of descent bluprints ?

[jolly cave]

check the 📌 message.

[ionic bane]

So, im relatively new to D2 (after 8 years I finally finished 1) , is Descent endgame only, or is it something you can do at any level? Is its a solo mode?

Apologies, I assume this has been asked a hundred times…

[dusk niche]

You can do it solo and at any level once you get to the white house in the campaign

However rewards will be different than endgame

[rocky bison]

thanks!

[long wyvern]

I so hoped we could catch up in terms of descent comms -.- at least, we get the weekly one now. But i really hope some sorta catch up mechanic will be implemented in the future

[twin geyser]

We had the same hope for fixing a lot of things, mate....

[tidal night]

(the assumption is that the catch-up mechanic exists, since it did in PTS - but it was never stated in a patch note)

[dusk niche]

Doubt the catch up mechanic will be introduced in a mid season patch but I could be wrong

[tidal night]

It could've been in place since TU20, but since we haven't gained any comms this season, we wouldn't know.

[rocky bison]

so according to the patch note these 4 bugged ones would stay bugged and only Black firday would pop up?

[nocturne hedge]

I guess so

[rustic bough]

yooo finally a reason to do Descent again

[twin geyser]

But will we have Vindicator blueprint available at Inaya or that's not important?

[nocturne hedge]

dont think it was in the patch notes

[humble halo]

They need to restore vindictor to +75%

[twin geyser]

Looks like Focus will be usable with Vindicator now

[rocky bison]

What reason

[rustic bough]

Descent comms finally dropping 😂

[deft island]

I really hate the talent pool rotation system. Yesterday night, 4 more than decent random players, easily reached loop 7 before Nemesis, got absolutely destroyed by Nemesis throwing oxidizers, sniper turrets, flamethrowers at us (and no, before you ask none of us had those skills on us). Even shock bullets not working any more against them. We held literally zero chance. Not playing descent with that pool of talents any more.

[fallow night]

just play solo so theres only one to kill

jokes aside, these talents are disgusting. as much as i want to play descent, the last time i killed nemesis i didnt even want to carry on

[deft island]

Agree, one player is way easier. So Ubisoft has tweaked a game mode to incentivize that one player is better to play than multiplayer. Excellent.

[fallow night]

You unfortunately get hit with the same reality with open world farming. Definitely sucks

[rustic bough]

At this current state, Descent is easy enough for anyone to get to the Nemesis without worrying about talent pools and difficulty scaling (except for a 4-player group), but not carrying on. There are no incentives to carry on past the Nemesis; the rotation mechanic feels more like a punishment than a challenge

[tidal night]

I put my conspiracy hat on and think about what Yannick said when they talked about Project Resolve.
They have some technical limitations making it so they cannot add checkpoints - and in relation to that he started talking about how they wanted to shorten Descent runs.
Nemesis is now faster to get to and you can beat it no matter the rotation.

[dusk niche]

The talent rotation is unrelated though to a shorter nemesis run, it was the increase in room heat that can make it shorter
Said it before, get rid of the rotation and scale re roll to the loop you're in. Makes no sense that a talent re roll costs the same in loop 20 as it does in loop 1

[nocturne hedge]

can somebody take one for the team and confirm if the collectibles are fixed now?

[rocky bison]

Oh that xd

[rustic bough]

when it finishes downloading 😭

[twin geyser]

They want to keep throwing additional talents in (trashy yellow skills build related + even worse exotic talents, I guess), so they "help" us by adding the rotation. But reality works in the opposite way. Nobody likes this rotation, but they don't care at all

[rustic bough]

already I found an undocumented fix

they removed the ability to buy Reconstructed caches at lv 30 😂

[timid mauve]

5 or 7 sets can't compare to the diversity of the old game, they are🐮💩ing just to pushing back people go deeper

[rustic bough]

I didn't get to test it. Descent bugged out on me.

I took a step back to destroy the barrel and the door closed on me

[rocky bison]

Hey , anyone tested out that Black Friday blueprints comes out of recon caches ? Anything new other than that has been added ?

Wanna know if I should open my unused recon caches cause it stopped giving me blueprints

[twin geyser]

My mate tested it now - and he got 7 comms at once (so it's 42/52 now for him)

[hexed whale]

I'll have happy tears if they did a catch-up mechanic like that.

[hexed whale]

I already have it, so can't confirm.

[rocky bison]

7 comms after 1 nemesis kill ?

So seems like Black Friday blueprint is still bugged

[twin geyser]

What is even more important - he didn't run every week after comms stopped dropping, so it catches up exactly for these 6 weeks when the problem occured + 1 comm for this week

[rustic bough]

medkit bug is still not fixed

[timid mauve]

be grateful, they are capable of make thing getting worse

[rustic bough]

yeah, it's to compensate for the past weeks that we didn't get comms for

I'm also at 42/52 so only 10 more weeks to go 💪

jeez can't believe I've been playing Descent for almost a year

started from the bottom now we heree

[dusk niche]

Yeah gonna wait for the talent rotation to get up to date with descent comms
Can't stand this rotation

[deft island]

I just got all past communications for the weekly after single player nemesis kill with horrible talents. Nice

[terse cairn]

How many @deft island

[timid mauve]

so they're not dropping new blueprint but replace an old one, they need to work on the wording on the patch note

[twin geyser]

We still lack 6 blueprints, if I remember correctly

[nocturne hedge]

So the max number is 488?

[rustic bough]

weirdly enough the comms are character-specific now

my main agent got all the comms that were missing, but my second agent didn't

[pine siren]

Comms and other collectibles were always character specific afaik

When descent dropped I started doing my weekly nemesis run on my hc because they needed the xp more, then realised if I lost them I'd lose all progress on the comms

[dusk niche]

So there is still no way to start easing off the backlog of audio comms if you're way behind? I'm only missing one but it really sucks for those who are starting

[rocky bison]

Can anyone confirm BlackFriday blueprint bug is resolved ?

Cause yesterday I opened a recon and didn’t get any blueprint

[nocturne hedge]

then you just confirmed its unresolved

Updated the pinned list to mention the removal of Shield Splinterer and Hunter-Killer chest

[deft island]

I got like 5-6 comms all at once

[deft island]

I got the Hunter Killer before it was removed. Is it also removed from my blueprints or I get to keep it?

I think I’m only missing the ferocious calm and the Henri to have them all blueprints

[hexed whale]

I kept it on TU20.1 when they were removed. Let me check if they're still there. EDIT: Yes, still have both.

[deft island]

Awesome, thanks

So only two left. What happens when you get them all? You buy a reconstructed cache and it’s empty?

[timid mauve]

then it will be named item only

[nocturne hedge]

Yup. No more BPs, you only get one named item out of them

[long wyvern]

I got 9 comms on my first completion this week. I have 16/52 now. Is there a catch up mechanic in place?

[deft island]

There is not. You just need to keep on doing the weekly descent with the same character until you get them all

[tidal night]

In all likelihood, yes there is - in some shape or form. This was seen on PTS and now on live servers (we just haven't been able to see it since TU20 and Resolve because we haven't gotten ANY comms)

[hexed whale]

Try https://discord.com/channels/477210626742288384/556242679122624523 (or the one for your platform)

[long wyvern]

when someone starts descent from 0 today, they should somehow be able to catch up and not be done with the descent comms in a year from now. a comm each nemesis completion would be a reasonable mechanic, of course only up until u reach the current week in terms of comms.

[rocky bison]

agreed

[timid mauve]

too much to ask, they can't even guarantee a weekly comm

[tidal night]

Too much to ask? Brother we're talking about how it's a thing.
Several people in here have said how it's a thing lmao

[pine siren]

If we get 9 comms on the first nemesis run each week until caught up, it won't take too long.

[mighty tartan]

Oh we are behind 9 weeks in comms?

[tidal night]

Rogue Agent has only uploaded up till #38, there's more than that?

[timid mauve]

42 so far

[tidal night]

He got f'ed then, that's for sure.

[timid mauve]

not what we deserve, but their ability to keep thing running straight

[tidal night]

I haven't listened to the new ones yet (also patiently waiting on 39, 40, 41, 42), but I'm so damn sure it's something do to with what lore we get from them

[compact jewel]

There is 4 bps that are bugged still

[rocky bison]

5

1.Born Great
2.Grown Great
3.Backbone
4.Carpenter

They lied In the patch note that they have fixed 5.Black Friday , but they didn’t , they did break the game even more tho

[dusk niche]

Weird I checked and I have the black friday blueprint but definitely did not get it after the patch

[compact jewel]

I have Black Friday as well

[obtuse moon]

Nah never on the season reward tracks

[rocky bison]

It was ok in the beginning till it got bugged and yet not resolved

[twin geyser]

6 blueprints are unobtainable. 4 you mentioned + vindicator + something else (I got black Friday lmg long time ago, if I remember correctly)

[ionic plover]

😂 The last sent describes div2 in a nutshell

[mighty tartan]

Guess I’m back to descent

If they give us Enforcer blueprint then all will be forgiven

[hexed coral]

What’s your starting CHC?

[rustic bough]

@hexed coral 10% if you have the NSA tech upgrades

[twin geyser]

A bit late, but confirming:
If you had 35 audios before No comm glitch - after completing descent project this week you'll get 7 audios. (So the current max amount is 42/52)
My buddy, who had 15 audios, received 9 audios O_o

[tidal night]

Can somebody get Rogue Agent an account with 42 comms already... only uploaded till #38, I need the last 4 🥹

[dusk niche]

I'm guessing if you run nemesis again this week you wont get extra comms?

[rustic bough]

Nope

I did a run on another agent and only got 1

[deft island]

Unless the whole intention of having so many comms in a game mode and giving only 1 per week is to keep players engaging into that game mode for a long time.

[azure beacon]

Hey, I’m planning on running descent for the first time. I know what talents and attributes to equip but am I guaranteed to kill the nemesis?

[long wyvern]

Descent is side content. Its a pain that it takes so long. And I already know that I wouldn't have played it for 52 weeks straight, if I had started playing in release week. However, for the first 52 weeks since release it would make sense, one per week. But if someone starts later, they shouldn't have to wait as long to get it done.

[tidal night]

Which they no longer don't.
Serj: 7 audio logs
Serj friend: 9 audio logs
Rogue Agent (YT): 7 audio logs
Yourself: 9 audio logs

[compact jewel]

Is there any easy way to see how many bps you have left?

[cyan totem]

should be able to get a rough number from the crafting bench, not sure about any other methods.

[compact jewel]

Gotcha

[rustic bough]

It all depends on RNG
You may or may not get the talents/skills/weapons you're looking for. Take harder rooms to allow yourself to be more prepared against the Nemesis

[trail crow]

Which one of you guys is trolling me about descent on Reddit?

And if it isn't trolling.... Why is it that complaints about pools restricting builds gets met with responses like have you tried using x or y build against nemesis?

[rustic bough]

because they're wildly inexperienced

[signal isle]

man, i only did descent once, never gotten to kill nemesis...

[olive lotus]

you can do it

[tidal night]

"It was me Barry, I ... you at super speed"

[nocturne hedge]

"Remember when you did a cover to cover move but you ended up nowhere near it? It was me Barry, i moved you at super speed to make it seem like the game was buggy"

[tidal night]

I love that, you just made my day!

[twin geyser]

I can't believe 10 audios left... 42 weeks, god damn it 💀

Unless devs slap additional 100 on top

[dusk niche]

Well could've been quicker we lost what 6 or 7 weeks?

[meager wyvern]

So Massive released a vlog, even has over the shoulder glimpses of footage of devs playing Descent. Got some loop 1 and going to loop 2 footage. A party of 4 wiped on loop 3/4 💀

I think that answers some questions.

[tidal night]

That VLOG was from their 5year anniversary date iirc

[nocturne hedge]

And yet somehow they thought rotation was a good change

[timid mauve]

🦥again

[timid mauve]

iirc, the past weeks rotation is 🦥A🦥B🦥C🦥D🦥

[jolly cave]

@quiet stag You're looking for #lfg-pc

[humble halo]

You removed the poor guy from existence

[ionic plover]

Don't you love it when you go out of a door, then it doesn't teleport you inside, softlocking you?

So, I selected a door, then partially went inside, went back out because I wanted to get something first... Then the door closed for the room, but it didn't teleport me inside and now I'm just... Stuck outside the room.

If anyone has a solution, say now, otherwize, I'm using the Exit to DC on the terminal

[tidal night]

We should start a Sheets on the rotations

Not of their content but tracking what rotations we've had

[rocky bison]

No solutions , it's just another waste of your time and no fixes from devs

descent just suck

Lmao Sloth again

so technically we don't have rotations since it's always sloth / gluttony LOL

[twin geyser]

We didn't, actually. Because the catch up amount of audios we got is equal to the amount of missed weeks (6 +1 for completing this week)

[twin geyser]

They had to launch the game to record something - that's already a progress. Someday we'll see them playing high difficulty, instead of story / normal

[dusk niche]

Tells you how much I'm enjoying descent that I completely forgot they gave 7 comms this week

[twin geyser]

25 mins once per week is manageable

And 4 hours once per season to get to loop 40

[humble halo]

I wanna see them solo legendary dua

[maiden isle]

I had this happen earlier in the week playing with family. I got locked out, it didn't teleport me in and the room didn't start for them. Once i left the party and abandoned Descent the loop continued for them...on loop 18 as well ffs.

[deft island]

Question: has anyone got the Bigshow LMG blueprint? Asking because I don’t have it and I’m no longer getting blueprints out of reconstructed caches. Apart from the 4 known items not dropping, this is the only one I was missing

[deft island]

Could it be possible that I’m not getting the BP because I don’t have any in my inventory or stash?

Or it is not dropping at all?

[mighty tartan]

whats the current comm total?

[undone warren]

I don't have the blueprint either; I'm also not getting any blueprints in the reconstructed cache. I think it's one of the named guns that has not yet been in the cache.

[deft island]

Ok so maybe it’s 5 items missing and not 4 from the pinned list above

[undone warren]

I dont have lightning rod pistol

the blueprint so maybe they just havent added everything in yet

[deft island]

Lighting rod was never in the descent BP list. Bigshow is. Check the pinned list on this channel

[undone warren]

Yeah you're right. I had that list in a word document and then grinded the blueprints and then i'd remove everything from the word document everytime i opened the cache. I think it dropped for me just never showed up in the crafting bench.

I think thats what happened

[tepid canopy]

black friday lmg bp its still bugged?

[undone warren]

Probably is, but ive already got it

[rugged wind]

Is there a limit to the amount of collectibles you can get each week from running descent long enough?

[dawn igloo]

Wait where is this on?

[timid mauve]

massive YT

[nocturne hedge]

You get one collectible per week for defeating nemesis.
There are some inconsistent "catch-up mechanics" but i have no idea how they work

[rugged wind]

Yeah the "catch-up mechanics" are the ones I really wanna know because I'm at 11/52 and that's with the extra ones given this week due to the glitch.

[gentle briar]

soon™ surely

[olive lotus]

sloth is unplayable

[timid mauve]

🦥days, being🦥

[tidal night]

We aren't sure whether or not it's due to the glitch (us not getting comms since Project Resolve), because the catch-up mechanic was in place on the PTS back in January.

[twin geyser]

We'll find it out this Tuesday, I guess

[rocky bison]

Yes

[olive lotus]

to add, I got 9 audio logs from this week

[tidal night]

this ain't lfg yo

[brittle salmon]

My bad

[red ledge]

Any tips for running Descent solo? There are some bad habits that I wanna back away from while playing it

[stiff rain]

you kinda have to have a build in mind, and solo kinda is annoying because you can only camp 1 door

the best you can do is camp 1 door, kill everything that comes out and then take cover from the enemies that come from other doors

[red ledge]

Yeah, I get what you mean.

And I presume fighting the Nemesis solo is not easy either

[stiff rain]

yeah

just abuse c2c, riot foam, incendiary ammo

[dawn igloo]

If you can grab Busy Bee in sloth and get it to full stack by the nemesis you can actually melt him pretty quick

Most times 1 rifle mag is enough

[red ledge]

Managed to get the Nemesis on one of my solo runs. I could get used to it.

Not only that, my Descent comms went from 4 to 13. I assume its because of the weekly project?

[nocturne hedge]

No, that only gives 1
That jump is because of a catch up mechanic implemented cause of a bug that wouldn't let you get any for a while

That "while" being 6 weeks

[tidal night]

I'd stop spreading that till we know for sure next week.
Since the "catch up" existed on the PTS

[red ledge]

Either way, its nice to have a catch up mechanic of sorts for the audio logs. Especially if I feel like torturing myself playing Descent on a weekly basis

I can't imagine how miserable it'd be to get 1 audio log a week after many trials and errors

[timid mauve]

it would be a chore when get used to it

[red ledge]

I assume you refering to the 1 audio log you get from the weekly project?

[timid mauve]

25 min for a week not a demanding task

[red ledge]

Gotcha

Mind you, I'm not a pro at roguelikes, so it'll take some time getting used to the mode.

[stiff rain]

it's more like you'll have to get good at how to shoot and use cover in this game than being good at roguelikes tbh

[red ledge]

In that case, I should have no problem

[stiff rain]

good luck with it. we're always here for advice

[red ledge]

Just gotta remind myself not to get overconfident, cuz its always a slow and insidious killer lol

[twin geyser]

Riot + incodenary doesn't work anymore. They ignore the effect if you try to reapply it again in next 4-5 seconds

[humble halo]

I had blb stacked to 10 that is why I did the fight in like 20 sec

But it was pita couldn't apply special ammo to other weapons

[dawn igloo]

Not that it really matters most of the time, hit him with an incendiary, swap to your second and burst him down. Maybe swap back to mop up

[humble halo]

Yeah but the cc is what keeps him from running away and medkiting

Also the DMG

If you have dmg you burst him down

If you don't have it gonna struggle

[dawn igloo]

That's true, I've been lucky with my runs so far

[humble halo]

The worst thing is when he has a healer hive

[dawn igloo]

I always try to find a chem launcher, no matter what it is he will always dodge roll out of the effect. Stops him from dropping his hive

[humble halo]

He just keeps healing and you don't have dps

It's the talent and unless you have good DMG and initial cc

It is difficult

[dawn igloo]

How do you run it usually

[humble halo]

Loop 4-5 depending on the talent I got ar/intimidate a shotgun or a good smg DMG talents mostly depending on the skill I got a skill tier

When are they going to add scorpio talent

To exotic loot pool

[dawn igloo]

When they finally get around to fixing the rest of it I guess

[timid mauve]

they may add it with a bunch of 💩 into same pool

[dawn igloo]

And then subdivide the rotations because "it's too diluted"

[misty heath]

So I forced myself to play 1 round of Descent, made it to last showdown room but died. Took 50 minutes and 3 cache. You know... I could gained of 20 SHD levels in that same timeframe and X100 the amount of loot. Makes no sense and waste of time.

[deft island]

Makes sense if you want to have the named items blueprints, for me that’s a good enough reason to play it.

[dawn igloo]

It's that and the comms for me

[deft island]

Tip: buy incendiary or shock ammo for your pistol before the nemesis fight, in the last room with the refill station (or however it’s called lol)

[timid mauve]

shock not working on nemesis

[dawn igloo]

If I'm not running BLB I do incen and high velocity on the primaries

[nocturne hedge]

Shock doesn't work

[twin geyser]

It will help us, so it won't happen. Enjoy another blue / yellow regular talent as exotic (Emphatic Resolve and Bloodsucker)

[twin geyser]

Send me a vid, where you stun Nemesis with shock, pls

[rustic bough]

Nemesis was shocked..... That I killed her in 5 seconds

Sorry, silly dad joke

[stiff rain]

🤨

[humble halo]

Nemesis saw 6pcs 5.11 build

[olive lotus]

wrath is back boys

[shy quail]

#lfg-pc

[rocky bison]

they changed the second strained talent with Obli

[ashen bloom]

Is there an easy way to make "random boss" rooms appear?

[rocky bison]

all rng , higher loops has better chance tho

Anyone tried to see if the black friday bug got fixed on recon caches ?

[ashen bloom]

Weird, the last run I had on descent I got three random in a row, two before the arena and one right after. And I was like: bro, there's no way this is random.

[rocky bison]

to my experience , once a run is blessed with rng , you'll get as many as you get , like 4 in a loop ! or even 3 in a same room selection phase

but when the run is out of luck , it would remain that way till the end

[olive lotus]

well that's the nature of RNG, sometimes you'll get 3 in a row, sometimes none

obliterate is nice

[rocky bison]

can anyone confirm BlackFriday bug got resolved ?

[vocal hull]

Run more low difficulty rooms will increase the random boss room spawn rate.

[rugged turtle]

ran descent beat nem, got my exotic cache but nothing else. How does one get blueprints from it?

assuming its not guaranteed drop for blueprints? (missing quite a bit btw)

[hexed whale]

Killing Nemesis is a 50% chance of a Reconstructed Cache, which grants one named item and one blueprint (which isn't tied to the named item you got - can be any blueprint from the pool).

[olive lotus]

75% chance of reconstructed cache for loop 15, 90% chance for loop 18, guaranteed reconstructed at loop 25

two guaranteed at loop 30

[icy grove]

did you get black friday recently?

[long wyvern]

is this 50% reconstructed drop chance on nemesis killl only once per week or always when u killl it? meaniing i could defeat nemesis over and over again to farm the caches

[hexed whale]

Every kill. When I started tracking it, I did 104 kills in about 4-5 weeks to get all 52 blueprints I needed. Ended up being exactly 50%.

[long wyvern]

nice! gonna try this as high rounds are a paiin

[hexed whale]

It ended up matching my play time and style. You don't always get one, but you're not committing a large amount of time to it.

[rustic bough]

High rounds are a pain? Wut

[olive lotus]

loop 4 nem runs are the fastest way to get caches

[timid mauve]

people builds differently, I even can't go through 90min movie without a pause

[long wyvern]

How are they not a pain? I am not talking about it being difficult

[nocturne hedge]

In-game difficulty is one thing, IRL difficulty is another

[slow thunder]

Do you simply get a BP rewarded after killing Nemesis or do you have to buy them at the shop?
What are the best permanent perks to buy for future runs?
And how good is the Vindicator rifle? Is it worth buying or better to spend on permanent perks?

[rustic bough]

• you have a 50% chance to get it after killing the Nemesis. You can also buy them at the shop
• armor on kill, critical hit chance, extra credits, but in the end you'll have everything
• Vindicator is a miss. Prioritize on NSA tech upgrades if Descent is really your thing, otherwise, spend on caches

[slow thunder]

Thanks. Don’t know if Descent is really my thing, at least not solo I found out, but it could be if I can make it a bit easier with the perks.

It’s a bit the same concept as the latest God if War DLC and the Farcry 6 DLCs.

[slow thunder]

Do most people do Descent via Div2 matchmaking or via Discord/Clans?

[rocky bison]

matchmaking is not very good with descent , cause you gotta be good with teamwork specially for higher loops

but it's ok if you just want to kill the nemesis

[rocky bison]

just checked now and BlackFriday was in my blueprints , you might want to add that in LMGs

[slow thunder]

Thanks. And how do I find those groups?

[jolly cave]

Ask down in #lfg-playstation, on the Community Server, and I'm sure there are a few other places too elsewhere.

[rugged turtle]

Anyone know of any fixes for wally? Still cant talk to her as it continues to show a side mission available at her.

[olive lotus]

walk to the descent stairs

[meager wyvern]

This is only true if you actually beat Nemesis every week in those weeks it wasn't dropping. I didn't, I barely played Descent at all, just to Nemesis once. Like I said, only was going to play Descent to get the comms, since the talent pools were added. No comms, no Descent. Anyway, I got 2 comms on Tuesday. I waited for them to fix the weapon issue.

[meager wyvern]

Not every player gets incendiary ammo in the room before Nemesis. I do(on my main toon, my level 30 doesn't), my buddy doesn't either.(solo or in group, no difference) On my PC account my main Live character does, but my PTS characters, never have. So my buddy has to drag incendiary ammo from an ammo restock in a loop

[stiff rain]

yeah i know, i'm just listing possible options you can have. make the best out of what you have kinda thing

[twin geyser]

Right, I forgot that I'm among small community of agents who lost their sanity and kept grinding Descent every week for the comm 💀

[meager wyvern]

Of course, just want to clarify for anyone that might read that and wonder why they dont have that ammo.

[meager wyvern]

Your commitment and dedication is something to behold. lol

[timid mauve]

we have a sloth-free week

[twin geyser]

I need to reconsider the importance of my choices in life 💀

[ashen bloom]

My parents: are you really committed to spend hours in a mode of a live-service game that will have it's servers shut down someday?
Me: yes!

[twin geyser]

That's the way

[nocturne hedge]

this is the way

[hollow warren]

I have a question: in descent mode, if the character does not move, will he be logged out?

[rustic bough]

Yes, there is a 15-minute afk timer.

[hollow warren]

Ok, thx

[long wyvern]

Do u know whether that timer checks movement (w, a, s, d) or also just moving the camera with the mouse?

[rustic bough]

movement

[olive lotus]

any keyboard inputs work in my experience

[nocturne hedge]

might wanna use LFG channels then

[rocky bison]

Wrath is back

[dusk niche]

Even the rotation talent rng is broken weren't we supposed to have 2 other talent rotations?

[tidal night]

There's 7 deadly sins, but they've never said we'll get a rotation for each sin

[dusk niche]

5 deadly sins in the division universe

A bit nonsensical to name a rotation on the deadly sins and not have all of them

[tidal night]

I completely agree - maybe they'll add two more sins as they add more talents to Descent

[humble halo]

5 rotation with 11 exotic talents

[olive lotus]

two sins were downgraded for budgetary reasons

[pine siren]

GBH sins

[twin geyser]

2 of them are not even exotic 💀

[humble halo]

I wanted to make a 5.11 joke tbh

[twin geyser]

And I completely ruined it. Welp...

[humble halo]

nvm you can't ruin 5.11 it is beyond the realm of this game our entire universe is made of 5.11

[twin geyser]

The matter itself

[sleek mountain]

I’m at 486 bps. But I’m missing 5 From my list suck as the norm great and carpenter. Bought a cache. No bp. Anyone know what’s up

[stiff rain]

the missing bps come from the seasons you missed

[sleek mountain]

I’ve never missed a season tho

[stiff rain]

do you have striker, hunter's fury, etc. bps

[sleek mountain]

Yes

[obtuse moon]

Do you have hunter killer and shield splinterer? I thought those two were removed but unsure

[sleek mountain]

I don’t. They were removed but I spoke to people. If you have them. They didn’t take them. Do you have the carpenter or grown great. I can’t remember the last 3 on my list o didn’t get

Just don’t wanna run decent for BPs if I can’t get em

They crap anyways. I wouldn’t use them

[obtuse moon]

Those aren't available yet

So I think you're done until they add more

[stiff rain]

HK and SS blueprints aren't taken away if you already have them, but you can't get them if you don't have them i think

but yeah i think you're done

[sleek mountain]

Copy. TY.

[jagged dragon]

Is descent something I can prticipate in before I'm max level? there's a weekly to defeat nemesis... is that doable before I'm all kitted out?

[tepid canopy]

black friday blueprint still unobtainable?

[timid lichen]

According to recent patch

• Fixed the issue with the Black Friday Named LMG blueprint not dropping from Reconstructed Caches.*

[timid lichen]

You can do it whenever you want, nothing from your character counts in descent. Its pretty much like you’re starting from level 1 for short encounters and battle royal style pick talents and guns to make you stronger

If you get exotic caches, reconstructed blueprints and such before world tier 5 I would not recommend opening, if you are in WONY I wouldn’t open exotic caches bc they are scaled to level 30 or 40. I lost 4 exotic caches trying this out

[stiff rain]

they don't even get recon before lv40

[timid lichen]

I thought it was available to people without WONY

[dawn igloo]

It wasn't planned for I believe

[sonic vale]

anyone wanna do decent with me im new to it

[twin geyser]

Do they plan to remove diminishing returns in PvE?
It was never stated to be implemented in this part of the game (only in PvP).
Nemesis is 100% resistant to the same effect for 4-5 seconds and on top of that the time you have when he's on fire / in foam decreases with every successful use, so if it was 2 seconds at the beginning, next appliance will grant you about 1 sec or even less.
Devs just want to kill another good thing in Descent, like it was not enough with stupid rotations

[timid lichen]

Personally I feel like eclipse protocol is what caused it / status effect builds in pvp, EP only bc the idea of using foam and freezing everything must have been real sore for devs

It’s not like you can refresh status effects without EP anyways which is annoying, to foam grenade an enemy after chem launch foaming them immediately

[nocturne hedge]

its intentional. descent is meant to be available to everyone regardless of having the expansion or not

[timid mauve]

the dev have to protect their boys don't get abused by special ammo

[nocturne hedge]

wont be surprised if theyre not even aware of it

[dusk niche]

They said they would monitor how it goes in PvE
Don't use it much in descent but in countdown yeah it's very annoying with the hunters

[humble halo]

Or legendary elites not getting foamed

[twin geyser]

They said PvP only. Another lie, I guess)

[dusk niche]

From Trello:
"STATUS EFFECTS
❗ These adjustments prioritize the PVP experience.

The proposed changes focus on reducing the impact of Status Effects and introducing counterplays. The intention is to make Status Effects in PVP more manageable and provide players with additional options to counteract when under a Status Effect. The changes are primarily aimed at the PvP experience, but we will continue to monitor the PVE impact."
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[timid lichen]

Did you guys notice that grenades have a shorter duration of status effects now too

I swear foam grenade and incendiary don’t last as long as they used to

[stiff rain]

it's from the more aggressive hazpro buildup from repeated applications

foam grenade lasts as long as it used to for me

[rocky bison]

yes perfect match

[rustic bough]

Incessant Chatter too, which is also a better choice than Bullet Hell

[red ledge]

Do you get more comms after finishing the weekly Descent project? I'm asking cuz I'm 15/40 of Descent comms atm

[rustic bough]

You get 1 comm per week

[mighty tartan]

Sucks to be a late starter

Pointless time gating either way

[nocturne hedge]

Deltaed twice yesterday trying to get the comm. Once ag the beginning of loop 3, the other at the end of 4

[humble halo]

Bruh I lost my hc to delta

[nocturne hedge]

Rest in rip 🙏

[timid lichen]

How far u get

[humble halo]

Shd 85

[timid lichen]

Surviving the maurader at pentagon just to get deltaed

Oh the sorrow I have 😭

That boss kicked my ass

[rustic bough]

finally got to loop 40 solo. took almost 12 hours, although I took 3 hours worth of breaks

[nocturne hedge]

The unbelievable part is no crashes and deltas in 12 hours ;)

[rustic bough]

Yeah it's weird. I just felt like doing a long run, and I did it

[humble halo]

No no the game wanted you to do a long run

[rustic bough]

It's my first loop 40 solo too

Accidentally reloaded my gun on loop 39 so I played the next 2 loops with sweaty palms

[nocturne hedge]

what rotation did you do it in?

[rustic bough]

Envy

I wouldn't put myself through the torture of doing a more inferior rotation

[twin geyser]

Wait a second. You decided to go with bad Envy, instead of God-like Sloth?

[timid lichen]

What weapons did you use?

[rustic bough]

M60 mainly

[timid lichen]

Door rushing or defensive positions mainly ?

Also is it cuz of 100 mag for incessant chatter n bullet king, ?

[rustic bough]

Before loop 30 I can kinda run around to kill shit but beyond that I stay in cover all the time, sometimes even blindfiring

[rustic bough]

With incessant chatter, Bullet hell is useless. I chose Payment in Kind and Agonizing Bite as my other 2 exotics

[timid lichen]

Braced?

[rustic bough]

Optimised

[timid lichen]

Oh not familiar what’s it do?

[rustic bough]

This rotation gives fuck-all regarding handling talents

[timid lichen]

Payment in kind cuz of inencessant?

[rustic bough]

Yes

[timid lichen]

Interesting

[rustic bough]

Works well if you don't have to reload

[timid lichen]

I figured LMGs would be undesirable

[rustic bough]

With the talents available, weapons with a high rate of fire are preferred. Shotguns aren't as effective

[timid lichen]

Ah right ibut how does incessant hold up? Does it maintain its mag or do you end up reloading sometimes

And if you do how do you avoid bleed from payment in kind?

[rustic bough]

Simple, don't reload.
If you're constantly reloading with incessant chatter, something is wrong with your build

[timid lichen]

Personally I find agonizing bite to be kind of wasteful on auto weapons … but that’s bc sometimes it targets drones or lawnmowers lol

I’d prefer breathe free

[rustic bough]

Well we ain't got breathe free in this rotation

[timid lichen]

I was just saying

I think it works better for rifles / Mmrs cuz it does more dmg

I kinda prefer disruptor rounds to it

[rustic bough]

Ew

I cannot find a single use for that talent

[timid lichen]

Not your cup of tea? 😂 basically I mark a couple enemies here and there (the snipers / heavies) or stack on enemies and use against the named enemy

For my purposes it prevents their use of skills or disorients long enough to do significant damage

The combination of breathe free and disruptor rounds are one of my favorites, paired with busy bee

But now I’ll look into LMG as I mostly run MMR/ rifle and AR

for nemesis

Rpk is a nice change cuz 45 mag, that 30 mag hurts

[rustic bough]

Breathe free + busy bee is a busted combo

But busy bee's activation requirement makes it undesirable

[rustic bough]

MMRs are useless now, ever since they nerfed Plague to the ground.

[timid lichen]

Were you struggling to clear the rooms or was it okay for you? I’m not really good at descent, unless I’m taking it slow I’ll die

[timid lichen]

Oh a buddy I play descent with sometimes we use MMRs for nemesis fight, when they are solo they run MMR to one shot reds

[rustic bough]

I didn't feel anything until I hit loop 30. Killing rogues took a while

[timid lichen]

Ah, any close calls?

[rustic bough]

Tons lol

[timid lichen]

I get those often in loop 4 🥲

[rustic bough]

And every time I get revived I wait until my hive recharges

[timid lichen]

I think it’s cuz I try to spawn camp doors

[rustic bough]

Yeah

[barren sparrow]

Hi, does anyone knows how to stop enemies from being stuck inside doors? This is the first time it has happend to me since the PTS, is it a known issue?

[humble halo]

Oh boi pray to god that they will auto kill themselves

[barren sparrow]

He did not kill himself… lesson learned to next time, always have someone with an oxi I guess.

[humble halo]

Nemesis will have oxi with himself and you will suffer

[barren sparrow]

Nemesis is easy. I’m just afraid of loop 31…

[junior wharf]

I just want to kill the nemisis for the weekly, but I die solo at like loop 3

[timid lichen]

Prioritize more red talents at the start + take some of the blue talents

The ones I go for
Composure, overwatch, preservation, clutch, efficient, disruptor rounds, busy bee, breathe free

These are by no means researched they’re just what I pick based on what I think I need

If running busy bee then gunslinger is cool as well

[rustic bough]

It could work, but if you swap your weapon back, Gunslinger won't be activated.

Busy Bee is a much better Gunslinger, but still a weird gimmick to fully take advantage of

[dusk niche]

New patch and still no descent audio catch up system
And no changes to the talent rotation

[compact jewel]

anyone have a google doc or something with the talent rotation pools

[tidal night]

Coming right up

[compact jewel]

thank you

[timid lichen]

This says nemesis chance for reconstructed cache is 12%…

Is it 50% or 12%?

[humble halo]

50%

[tidal night]

Talent page is updated, rewards not

[nocturne hedge]

Used to be 12 but was changed to 50

[rustic bough]

It's still 12% for LV 30s

And so is the old reward table

[rustic bough]

It wouldnt be fair to those who dedicated their time to get the comms week by week

[dusk niche]

It would imo if it's one comm per nemesis run, obviously not all the comms in one run.
Imagine starting collecting now and having to play 40+ weeks in a row to catch up, it's silly

And it's even worse since quite a bit of lore is tied into those comms and some of the story during the manhunt

[timid mauve]

nothing is revealed from the comm besides fun stuff, also you won't miss if it relates to story coz the comm we obtaining not by sequence but by the no. of week, we always get the latest one atm

[timid lichen]

The comms reveal the lore of the game post Season 9 - relationship with Black tusk and their benefactors and shd origins… so it is quite a bit of lore

But descent is a hit or miss for some people .. so a lot of people don’t know that

[twin geyser]

Sloth again?

[timid mauve]

2 things you can't get rid of, bugs & 🦥, accept it

[proud basin]

I’m not sure what’s worse unintended bugs or intended content that alot people don’t like(at least the ones I’ve talked with)

[dusk niche]

Descent goes very quiet when sloth is the talent rotation

Says it all really, I don't think even the devs would play this rotation

[high tree]

Mostly playing for the blueprints. Is it better to stop after the nemesis and repeat or keep going for increased tokens?

[timid mauve]

@high tree if 4 or more hrs play time is manageable for you then aim for long run, envy and wraith's pool is suitable to long runner

[high tree]

Thank you

[real gale]

Its not that bad. Me and a mate had a run earlier today, and made it to loop 8 before we had to bail to do real life stuff. And we woiuld have been able to continue quite nicely. I wish I could share the phot of the final screen but I was on tier 10 leadership and tier 8 overwatch and a few other things. Busy little bee is brutal

[olive lotus]

if you can reliably kill nem on loop 4, it's easily the fastest way

[nocturne hedge]

Imagine if weapons and skills were parts of the rotations

[barren sparrow]

New day, new bug. This time on loop 22. Stuck outside the room.

[high tree]

Did the door open then close on you?

[barren sparrow]

Yes, my teammate was inside but i was stuck outside 😦

[high tree]

Happened to me yesterday as well

So frustrating

[barren sparrow]

Im sure that 41 was manageable.

[somber reef]

When does the rotation switch?fingers cross for wraith

[bold finch]

I've had a bug on descent since update 20.2. I have no display of nemesis percentage or currency that is usually in the right top corner of screen

[high tree]

Is it still not there?

[bold finch]

Yes it's still missing

[high tree]

Yikes

Figured the update today would've fixed

[bold finch]

I was hoping

First thing I checked when I was finally able to log back in

[nocturne hedge]

Got lucky then

[timid lichen]

Just encountered a glitch where a cleaner pushed me through the wall and I couldn’t leave

[uneven vault]

The cleaner wanted you to clean the other side of the wall

We all need a hand some times

[nocturne hedge]

You got...cleaned off the map...

[rustic bough]

loop 11 no exotic talent
loop 12, rogue agent, wiped.

today wasn't meant to be

[clear rock]

Reconstructed caches not giving a blueprint. I'm at 486/494, is that the highest it goes with the current bugginess?

[stiff rain]

yeah, don't check with that number, scroll thru each category to check if there are any locked blueprints

[nocturne hedge]

yeah i believe you hit the max number

[rocky bison]

About Edit 3 , they replaced Bigshow blueprint with BlackFriday , they fixed 1 problem by adding 1 more
So yea we don't have BigShow LMG blueprint in crafting station atm

[nocturne hedge]

that's just awesome

[winged field]

Guys since we are talking about blueprints how can i get the hunter fury green blueprint because its locked and it say season 3 reward?
And also the stinger lmg blueprint is locked and says freind referal reward
Is there any way to get them?
Thanks.

[rocky bison]

You can not obtain HF blueprint if you have missed season 3 , until they add it to CPs next season

about stinger , you have to participate in friend referral program , just search it on internet and the page would show up , you have to invite a friend who purchases the game afterwards and then you two have to complete 3 missions together and you will receive some rewards for it

[winged field]

Sorry what is CPs?

[rocky bison]

Control points

[winged field]

Aha ok thanks 👍

[compact jewel]

What rotation is it?

[astral anchor]

Have you seen bug in Descent when teammates like dont move but they are, looks like it happen in high loops, but Im not sure

[jolly cave]

@astral anchor That tag is strictly a "nope". Don't use it again.

[astral anchor]

ok sorry, just it was official Ubi server, that why I have post it.

[jolly cave]

Sure, but can't ping Admins.
us mods don't mind it if we're active in the chats.

The best way to get in contact with Ubi is via a Support Ticket, there's a link to it over in #unofficial-troubleshooting > 📌 > support.

[tidal night]

Wasn't it just a message link to the ubi support discord? (specifically the issue he mentioned)

[astral anchor]

yes, exactly

[jolly cave]

The issue wasn't the message itself, but the tags.
As explained in the follow-up messages.

not that it has anything to do with anyone else.

[dusk niche]

Gluttony

[bleak compass]

Do higher loops give more credits per loop? I do not mean the one spent within descent.

[rustic bough]

yes

[high tree]

I'm mostly playing for blueprints. Is there any other absolute must buys from the store besides armor on kill?

[stiff rain]

extra talent choice, extra currency gain

[high tree]

Interesting. I always have enough currency to get whatever I need before the nemesis

[stiff rain]

it's important for high loops or if you want to reroll

[high tree]

Gotcha

[stiff rain]

being able to get more reroll is extremely valuable if you plan to get to high loops because you want to maximize your build potential even before nemesis

[high tree]

Ok cool. Appreciate it

[twin geyser]

I hate the thought of going to loop 40 with even more stupid stuff devs are ready to put into next season (more rotations - less comfortable days to pick to play with your mates, because we wanted to get X rotation, but got F)

[nocturne hedge]

keep in mind the extra credits only applies to clearing rooms. you still only get 250 for skipping stuff

[main gyro]

I recently killed the nemesis with another person but I wasn’t able to get a reconstructed cache, can that happen?

[timid mauve]

it's 50% drop rate

[main gyro]

Got it, guess I was unlucky

[halcyon schooner]

Anyone experienced in descent willing to lend a tip? So last time envy was around i could use chatter talent and bullet hell with no problem, could "reload" to get stacks whenever.

This time around i cannot, i can get the stacks and then equip bullet hell. After that i cannot reload because of bullet hell but when my "artificial" mag reaches zero my gun won't fire until i buy special ammo from the counter or restock in the lobby room...

[rustic bough]

That is a weird bug

But ideally if you have Incessant Chatter already, there's no need for Bullet Hell

[twin geyser]

It's because of Lucky Shot. Remove it and you'll be fine (tested myself)

It somehow messes with Lucky's shot talent of not removing bullets when you shoot from the cover

[halcyon schooner]

God bless

[dusk niche]

What's the max audio logs if you never missed a week?

45 or 46?

[dawn igloo]

How does Breathe Free work in Descent now? Will max stack increase as my mag size goes up? Does it cap at 32? Or does it stay at whatever size I got it at?

[humble halo]

It will scale with mag size

[dawn igloo]

Ah I see, thanks

[frozen radish]

travelling rn - anyone know what the rotation is?

[stiff rain]

greed

[twin geyser]

Except it doesn't scale. It's still 32 bullets (you can check it by shooting any lmg 50+ bullets at full stacks)

[humble halo]

Wut the fak i am not surprised though

[twin geyser]

Same

[humble halo]

Only newbies to bugisoft can be surprised not veterans

[twin geyser]

We were hardened with glitches. They made us stronger versions of ourselves 💪 👍

[humble halo]

Random delta out of nowhere and we are doomed

[twin geyser]

Priority fixes:

• Premium Store issues
• Vanity clipping on items from Premium Store

[dawn igloo]

Huh, thought so

[humble halo]

Well that's cause it's related to their income if anything is related to making money it's top priority

[dawn igloo]

Strange, you'd think that maintaining some standard of quality would generate more income in the long term but I suppose that's not the case

[ashen bloom]

It's just weird how they think that fixing a talent, or an exotic talent, or a gear set, is less important than fixing a fukin 3D clipping problem of a gear skin that nobody uses, and if someone uses it, this player will barely notice the clipping thing or bother with that.

[pine siren]

Easy stuff gets fixed quicker than hard stuff, and clothing issues will be a different team than coding issues

[tidal night]

We can discuss priority all day, we have no knowledge of how their stuff is prioritised - coding in general, you want to deal with big impacts and not necessarily weigh easy vs hard.
That being said, it is so important to highlight that it would be different teams fixing stuff that is talent (gameplay) related and stuff that is clothing related.

[sand lintel]

descent is bugg ... I'm constantly dying on loop 6 for 2 days now, damn Hollywood event.

It's a waste of time playing the game, if they don't fix something people won't buy the new DLC!

[ionic plover]

Got to loop 16 before had to go yesterday

[sand lintel]

In my case I have had servers desync for months and with the events that the NPCs put in, they do not receive the damage that they should within the descent mode, in addition to the effects of the Hollywood event when they die from an explosion, even when they die from the effect of regicide!

I cannot report to ubisoft on the page because I have had a case open for months, they do not provide any type of support and from what you see here the developers do not pay attention either!

[timid mauve]

good news is regicide not available now, bad news is 🦥 is back

[tidal night]

You can make and have several cases open at the same time, I don't know what you're on about.
That goes for both the Official Discord support and the official support cases via their website.

[echo bloom]

Are the descent uniforms worth going for? They seem like quite the grind to obtain

[cyan totem]

If you like how they look

Can’t really put a price on that tbh

[rustic bough]

yeah... buy it if you have excess NSA tech

[low hedge]

dont know whats new or good anymore lmfao

[rustic bough]

Watch for Wrath, Greed and Envy rotations. Any other rotations, you ignore.

[mossy moon]

any nev blueprints on pts? from caches?

[rustic bough]

Nope. no new collectibles either (thankfully)

[nocturne hedge]

Thankfully indeed

[mighty tartan]

The pool rotations are getting worse

[dusk niche]

Have they made any changes to the rotations in the PTS?

[jolly cave]

@vague yoke You're looking for #lfg-playstation

[rustic bough]

No changes to Descent at all

At least when I checked, PTS Descent had the same rotation as proper Descent with the same expiry date

[dusk niche]

Thanks, gotta hope there's some change if there's another PTS or next season

[rustic bough]

Secretly hoping for new talents but we'll never know

[nocturne hedge]

Somebody mentioned a timer being added in group play

When interacting with a weapon/skill terminal

[rustic bough]

what sort of timer

that has always been there.

[nocturne hedge]

Cant confirm for myself since i didnt get into this one

[nocturne hedge]

Ah, gotcha.
No changes then

[rustic bough]

groups have 3 min to choose weapon/skill at the start of the loop before it forces to the next phase

and another 3 mins before it chooses a room at random

[nocturne hedge]

The guy said the timer was 90 seconds. No idea since i play descent solo

[rustic bough]

I haven't tested it.

[high tree]

Just wish they made a way to save your run and resume whenever 😔

[timid mauve]

donno if this is new bug, ISAC the lier warned me poison air but I was on lava floor, can we get Anna instead ?

[somber reef]

Macros

[tribal spear]

Is it true the reconstructed cache gives you the blueprints for the shield splinterer? I just cannot spawn the Wraith hunter to get last key so hoping it's true it can be crafted.