td2-descent

[balmy finch]

No

[timid mauve]

Below is list of blueprint unlockable upto Y5S2 based on my own findings, couldn't say it is 100% correct since lot of bugs.

AR: Burn Out / Glory Daze / Kingbreaker / Manic / Mechanical Animal / The Railsplitter / Test Subject
LMG: Carnage / Good Times / New Reliable / Quiet Roar / Tabula Rasa
SMG: Cold Relations / Dark Winter / Swap Chain / The Apartment / The Grudge
SG: Boomstick / Cuelebre / Firestarter / Rock 'n Roll / The Mop / Backup Boomstick
Rifle: Baker's Dozen / Everlasting Gaze / Harmony / Surge / The Virginian
MMR: Scalpel / The White Death
Pistol: Diceros Special / Maxim 9 / Survivalist D50
Mask: Nightwatcher / The Hollow Man
Backpack: Anarchist's Cookbook / Battery Pack / Devil's Due / Force Multiplier / Liquid Engineer / Matador / The Setup / The Gift
Chest: Caesar's Guard / Chainkiller / Closer / Door-kicker's Knock / Everyday Carrier / Ferocious Calm / Pristine Example / The Sacrifice / Zero's F
Gloves: Contractor's Gloves / Motherly Love
Holster: Claws Out / Forge
Kneepad: Emperor's Guard, Fox's Prayer (Bugged)

[stiff brook]

@timid mauve Thx mate

[nocturne hedge]

Nice, so harmony can actually drop now?

[cosmic stream]

So killing nemesis is the only way to get the super classified audio logs then

[balmy finch]

Yes

[hexed edge]

Are there any special rewards for running Descent? Like any reason to run it for loot/currency?

[timid mauve]

yup

[nocturne hedge]

Is tdi still bugged?

[timid mauve]

@nocturne hedge maybe they intend to hold it

[nocturne hedge]

That sucks

[cosmic stream]

Massive Xp boost the longer you run on descent along with a few simulator caches

[frozen radish]

are these supposed to drop out of simulation cache or Reconstructed?

[balmy finch]

reconstructed

[rustic bough]

Ran 25 loops with rifleman and pummel with my plague build. Turns out, they're not impressive

Especially Pummel. Pummel can be a placeholder for when you don't have incessant Chatter. In later loops the weapon damage bonus just isn't worth more than flat damage talents i.e. composure, overwatch, vigilance

[humble halo]

I guess we need hh for pummel to work cause the power Is in one shot with heavy weapons as soon as you gon reload it's not worth it

[rustic bough]

I got a glimpse of MMR + chatter builds so I think it's possible to go with HSD build
Rifleman, Concussion, Precise, Regicide.

[stiff rain]

yeah awd talents eventually fall off because you make it up via weapon damage bonuses at end of loop

twd talents are much more coveted in late loops

[humble halo]

Awd was gonna fall of cause you stack too much easily

[rustic bough]

Wut

[stiff rain]

wut wut

[humble halo]

wut wut wut

There Better a ap

[rustic bough]

I don't actually know the difference between twd or awd

[stiff rain]

derp

[rustic bough]

I just know what works

[humble halo]

AWD is basically the red cores on gear

[stiff rain]

optimist, pummel, etc. are awd

[humble halo]

Twd is seperate

[stiff rain]

and weapon damage at end of loop adds to it

so eventually you get too much

[rustic bough]

Yeah as a car enthusiast I get confused when people mention two wheel drive and all wheel drive

[humble halo]

The buff from vigilance optimist fi etc

[stiff rain]

lmao

idk if intimidate in descent is awd though or is still exponential like non-descent

[odd holly]

Is anyone playing descent?

[rustic bough]

I was

[humble halo]

I guess it is like normal they can't be bothered

[stiff rain]

wonder if ikia can test for us

[odd holly]

Im new to this and cant find anyone on matchmaking

[rustic bough]

Ah

Well it's bed time for me sadly

[humble halo]

Should invite me for a run on weekends I wanna reach higher loop

[rustic bough]

Ok

[stiff rain]

you two should play more together

i'm just really busy these days

[rustic bough]

You mean us

Smh

[stiff rain]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rustic bough]

Yeah busy in Genshin

cough

[stiff rain]

you might be onto something here

[humble halo]

Genshin is life

[silver junco]

died at loop 30 lol

literally too tired to react

[glad ravine]

Highest I’ve made it is 15

[obtuse citrus]

what are the new rewards they added?

[wise granite]

New patches and extra audios. I think thats it

[balmy finch]

Five new patches, 12 new comms, and a ton more blueprints

[uncut gate]

👆 They added more than 1 armpatch. Its 5 - one from nemesis, the rest from beating every 10 loops till 40.

It seems thats a seasonal thing.

[twin geyser]

That's a bit sad(

[rustic bough]

Not really, it gives a little more incentive for us to do loop 40 runs

[pine siren]

urgh, apparently Nemesis doesn't have to abide by the skill restrictions that agents do: he copied my firestarter (as expected), and for my blank second slot he had...oxidiser

[humble halo]

He doesn't abide by anything

[balmy finch]

ive already looked into this youve probably missed it

if you have skills from a specific group, or no skill at all, the nemesis will pick an alternative at random

[pine siren]

yeah I know he picks one at random, I just really wasn't expecting a second chem launcher

[balmy finch]

and some skills theres a set replacement for them (i.e. reviver)

[balmy finch]

fair enough

lol

[warm stirrup]

double oxy? thtd be evil!

[balmy finch]

azur is jealous

[pine siren]

fire & oxy

I was all set up with chatter, plague, fire bullets & everything, was expecting it to be a cakewalk 😢

[balmy finch]

if you had fire bullets then they shouldnt have had the time to chem?

[pine siren]

they shook off the status very quickly and got into cover. I saw the chem coming but assumed it was firestarter and didn't need to evade immediately

[balmy finch]

ah

yeah just

never have a blank skill slot

[rustic bough]

I once had a Nemesis that threw out THREE shock traps
But the same also applies to Rogue Agents. One time, this guy had both a defender drone and bombardier drone active at the same time.

[fair depot]

hollow point counts for all ammo or just 1 magazine?

[pine siren]

Neither, it gives you a fixed number of bullets (about 100 iirc)

[humble halo]

It gives 60 sometimes

[pine siren]

Might depend on which weapon type you load them in

[humble halo]

Yeah

[nocturne hedge]

All spec ammo in descent come in a certain amount, not magazine-based

[mighty tartan]

They copied my decoy and sometimes I do shoot their decoy out of stress

[grizzled briar]

any use of NSA currency after update?

[uncut gate]

Sadly not... We stockpilled that currency, just for nothing.

But i'm still get hopes that they add some nice stuff. I would buy decent exclusive caches.

But for now... 🤷

[grizzled briar]

thanks man

[glad ravine]

How do I counter rogues in descent like loop 25+ they’re in every room

[rustic bough]

LMG + incessant Chatter + Plague of the Outcasts --> swap to high-base-damage MMR + Optimist
If you want some extra CC, get Trauma
Use Jammer pulse to temporarily disable their deployed skills

You win the fight from cover

Honestly the Descent comms at the point are pointless bickering. It's as if they've lost the plot.

[glad ravine]

I use agonizing bite with plague and bullet hell, and I also use trauma. They are just too tanky and seem invulnerable to my status effects/special ammo

And they don’t stagger at all

[rustic bough]

Yeah it's a waiting game. Plague + MMR does 90% of the damage

[balmy finch]

Last week's com was creepy as hell

[rustic bough]

I don't remember which one that was, since it's not listed in chronological order

[humble halo]

Just got the worst exotic Choice :
Liberty or death
Kinetic momentum
Emphatic resolve

[dusk niche]

It's all Amherst now

[rustic storm]

is there a list of what talents they added to descent?

[balmy finch]

on trello yes

[glad ravine]

I only use shotguns and the m60 maybe that’s why I’m struggling

[rustic bough]

for sure

[glad ravine]

What’s the best MMR?

[rustic bough]

M44 Carbine

[glad ravine]

I’m looking to do a long leaderboard type run if anyone wants to join

[glad ravine]

Ty partner

[rustic bough]

btw the trick is to keep your MMR at 1 bullet in the mag + Optimist 10 hopefully and you're good. just gain Plague stacks and then switch to the MMR and don't ever fire a shot

[glad ravine]

Interesting strat

[dusty hawk]

learned something new today. so basically the plague stacks gains the MMR + Optimist stack damage?

[rustic bough]

yes

[dusty hawk]

guess that's only a descent thing. tried it out of descent and it didn't do jack XD

[humble halo]

It is a real world thing the last bullet for optimist deal full DMG so at last bullet you are at. Full wd

[rustic bough]

just did a loop 25 run in 5 hours.

pretty sure the game trolled us HARD right there. we got our third exotic talent only on loop 19. then the next on 24. and we didn't have plague nor incessant chatter for 20 loops.

so I don't think the exotic talent chance is as they are stated. loops 9+ is definitely not 40%

[humble halo]

I would like to add the exotic loot pool has been made worse with even worse talents

Kinetic momentum emphatic resolve

Liberty old talent the new talent without shield

Like what is the point of getting liberty or death of you don't have a shield

[rustic bough]

anti-headshot build

[humble halo]

Yeah we dropping multiplier's

[magic depot]

What MMR stand for?

[stiff brook]

MMR = marksman rifle

Sniper rifles basically

[errant tendon]

Or it can mean match make rating lol

[magic depot]

Do ppl use marksman rifle? Idk if i just suck or its difficult to just use them or maybe just need a good one but last time i used one was in my lvl 40s. I'm lvl 1116 now

I know I'm better at aiming now in general maybe that make a difference

Just wasn't sure if its even worth it not many seem to use it

[humble halo]

Yeah with optimist for the plauge cheese

[magic depot]

Plauge cheese?

Srry i am still new using discord for division. Lots of unfamiliar words

[upper smelt]

Plague of outcasts exotic talent. It's scaled by the base weapon damage of whatever gun you currently have out. So you can quickly build plague stacks with an acs12, and then pull out a sniper and everything just dies. It's kind of unbalanced and is one of the main strats for getting super far in descent since it's a very high damage but safe method since all your damage is being done while you hide in cover

[magic depot]

Is there like a dictionary for division on here

[magic depot]

Does this only work in descent or does it work in missions etc?

[upper smelt]

Just descent because otherwise the talent only exists on the pestilence which isn't really a strong weapon

[magic depot]

Okay thx for info that's really neat still

[dusty hawk]

@magic depot i tried it in the target range in the White House and once swapping weapons the plauge dot stops doing damage completely

[magic depot]

Dang that is interesting lol

[balmy finch]

did they remove blind justice in favour of liberty of die

[twin geyser]

Nope, just added on top

The choice of exotic talents are such garbage, tbh... Where is scorpio talent?

[balmy finch]

that wouldnt even be fair

[twin geyser]

Adding trash to exotic pool and not extending it to 6 slots is not fair as well, so...

[balmy finch]

i think youre just looking for something to complain about

[twin geyser]

Show me at least someone, who will pick Empatic Resolve or Blind Justice

Instead of Bullet Hell / Plague / Breathe Free / Chatter

[balmy finch]

theres always going to be bad talents in anything

this is like complaining ignite isnt a 70% amp and meta

im done with this convo

[twin geyser]

If they insist, that this mode is "rogue-lite" - give us a possibility to block unnecessary talents, like in real rogue-lites

Or, hell, the basic thing - to reroll exotic talents

But if you think, that any of my words do not have logic and are just straight complaints - your choice

[undone bolt]

eevee's right that's kinda dumb

[balmy finch]

considering i ask a question and its immediately followed up by a complaint, yeah youre just looking to complain

[twin geyser]

I've played lots of this mode, noticed some things, which I'd like to see changed or improved. That's it

Like ANB currency after you bought everything. It's dead, like textile

[magic depot]

Do you lose the weapon you're using to shoot in pvp like you do in dz when you die

Wait this for descent i apologize

[nocturne hedge]

what do you mean lose a weapon in pvp

[frail coyote]

Somebody answered your question earlier and it was no to pvp

But yes you lose your gear in the run when you’re playing descent. You’re essentially starting fresh in there and you lose it all once your run is over

[nocturne hedge]

yeah but you dont lose any equipped items in pvp which is what made me ask the question

[uncut gate]

True, atleast they could add some caches or even named or normal items, like everywhere in DC and in Haven.

That would be nice way to spend stockpiled NSA money...

[glad ravine]

I wish we had something to spend NSA tech on 😦

[rustic bough]

just got to loop 30 without Incessant Chatter nor Plague of the Outcasts. if you want my opinion on how it went: 🦦 🐶 💩

[orchid viper]

If I die after killing the nemesis does it still count or will I have to kill the nemesis again?

[rustic bough]

in the same room as the Nemesis?

[orchid viper]

as in if I continue my run and die later

basically asking if there is a risk of losing the rewards for killing the nemesis if I dont end the run and instead die later

[twin geyser]

you lose everything when you die - regardless where it happened. You start from scratch every run

[orchid viper]

nah I mean the loot, like the exotic cache

[twin geyser]

ah, nope, all rewards are with you)

[orchid viper]

ah ok cool

ok next question then, is there any point in continuing with the run after killing nemesis?

[twin geyser]

there was a screenshot with rewards on trello, check it there

[rustic bough]

greater rewards await for reaching higher loops (patch, greater chance at Exotic and Reconstructed Caches)

[orchid viper]

whats in reconstructed caches?

[glad ravine]

Raw invite D:

[rustic bough]

blueprints for named items

[rustic bough]

wut

[glad ravine]

Wut

[rustic bough]

Can we have IMG upload permissions in this channel?

[atomic agate]

Anyone known if we can get apparel event keys in Descent now?

[twin geyser]

Guys, check audio files. It's 52 now 💀

[balmy finch]

wait seriously

[twin geyser]

yeap

[dusk niche]

Yep, yikes are they planing to delay this season as well?

[balmy finch]

damn

can you get more than one perweek or no

[twin geyser]

No, that's the issue

[balmy finch]

thats not really an issue to me

im okay with doing one a week

[twin geyser]

I don't understand why descent is the way of putting comms. Why not once per Nemesis? Yes, it's still a lot, but you're not limited by 7 days

[uncut gate]

🤦

[nocturne hedge]

Im sorry, its WHAT now??

[twin geyser]

Check it yourself. I'm in shock

[balmy finch]

Trolled

[twin geyser]

You don't have 20/52?

[balmy finch]

I can't log on for another five hours

[twin geyser]

Oh, I'd like to post a screenshot, but it's not allowed in this channel(

[balmy finch]

Post in #ask-td2-community

I always use that channel as a go-to

[twin geyser]

Will be near PC in about an hour if it won't be posted earlier by someone else)

[severe sleet]

so i haven't cleared this week ,but the chest was open first time i tried it

[balmy finch]

this is descent mate

[severe sleet]

mah bad, mixed up the Ds

[balmy finch]

incursion doesnt have a D

[severe sleet]

meant the discord servers

[balmy finch]

oh lol

[mighty tartan]

I think at this rate of comm increases, Division 3 would be released before it’s all collected

[balmy finch]

nah

[stiff brook]

@mighty tartan They need to let us get the comms at the rate we want. If they're confident the descent gamemode is good and will always be populated, why not let us get one for each nemesis defeated.

[mighty tartan]

20 comms per season, about 80 comms per year, by D3 release we’re looking at over 200 total

[mighty tartan]

They might change it to that

[balmy finch]

lmao

they wont keep adding comms im just absolutely shocked they managed to make 52

its definitely gotta dive into the lore of who amherst is

[mighty tartan]

Gahaha, the total comm time length might beat out the Hearts on Fire audio story

[nocturne hedge]

LOL

[rustic bough]

Mfw we're gonna be doing Descent for a whole year

1 year has 52 weeks. I see what you did there, Massive

[chrome lantern]

Spent 3 hours experimenting to see what kind of rng the Assault Turret and Striker Drone will be skill options. 1 Assault appeared and ZERO Strikers. This is just going in and checking the choices and leaving. Hahahaa. Man, I feel GOD like playing this mode. Next season they will add more talents, etc... BWAHAHAA

[timid mauve]

imo it's RNG blessing😜

[nocturne hedge]

was the number of grenades you spawn with reduced? i sear it used to be 2 but now its one?

just went up a loop and now i have 2 nades. huh...

[nocturne hedge]

even with the rec cache buff i still havent gotten any in 3 runs lol

[timid mauve]

from my observation it's a fixed pattern to get same special ammo before fighting nemesis, e.g. my 1st & 2nd character always get incendiary and high velocity ammo at loop 5, something else at loop 6, however, my 4th character at loop 5 is shock and high velocity ammo

[twin geyser]

It's about the interaction with the supply box throughout the loop. I never touch it and I ALWAYS get fire + blood rounds

Before fighting Nemesis, I mean

[nocturne hedge]

i never interact with supply stations and right before seeing nemesis (after finishing loop 5) i always get shock ammo and high V.
very rarely i get fire and explosive

[twin geyser]

Try to interact. Once. Then check before nemesis do you have fire or not. If not - interact again

[nocturne hedge]

do i actually have to buy anything or just interact and leave?

[twin geyser]

Preferably buy, just in case

Then report the result here, please

[nocturne hedge]

will do

[twin geyser]

👍

[twin geyser]

Oh, and not anything, but any of this special ammo, so it'll refresh for the next time you open the supply box

[nocturne hedge]

just bought high V in loop 2, should be at nemesis in like 20 mins

[balmy finch]

What's high v

[nocturne hedge]

cross over with the boys

[balmy finch]

?

I'm not understanding

[nocturne hedge]

high velocity. too lazy to type it

[balmy finch]

Oh

[pine siren]

I always check the supply station in the middle of loop 5 and the one before nemesis, but never any others before those. Sometimes one or both have fire ammo, sometimes not.

[nocturne hedge]

so whats the best spec ammo for nemesis?

[balmy finch]

Fire

The rest don't do anything

[nocturne hedge]

yeah i was thinking fire too

alright nemesis time

[nocturne hedge]

shock and high velocity again, even though i bought HV on loop 2

must have gotten the fox's blurprint cause theres a ! on my kneepads' crafting section and no sign of a new item

[twin geyser]

Yeah, this one is bugged, but I'm not sure, that the fix is coming soon

[timid mauve]

same, I only noticed it from the loot feeds, who knows if there is more missing blueprint

[oak chasm]

how long would u guys say a loop 40 run lasts?

[abstract trail]

Did they change the amount of exotic talents we can equip? At loop 12 amd still only 1

Ive gotten 3 before nemesis before

[abstract trail]

Ive gone to loop 47 amd that took 12 hours

[oak chasm]

12 hours, thats wild, what kinda build was that

[abstract trail]

I posted here a while back. Entire build before update.

Gimme a sec

@oak chasm sent you a DM

[twin geyser]

For us (duo) it took 5 hours and 23 mins to reach and beat loop 40. Almost non-stop

[dusty hawk]

oof

[glad ravine]

How did you guys combat the nonstop rogues after 25

[abstract trail]

@glad ravine with the right build rogues die in the door like every other add

[humble halo]

Plauge

[mighty tartan]

Is getting to loop 40 harder than flawless paradise lost?

[humble halo]

Well it takes 20X times longer

[ebon warren]

Hey guys, returning player here. How is the XP in the descent mode ? Playing mostly HC and figured you don't perma die in there. Worth running descent to get to 30?

[twin geyser]

I never take it

[vast sundial]

what's paradise lost

[coral fox]

Name for the new incursion

[abstract trail]

Is the nemesis a guaranteed exotic everytime or just weekly?

[nocturne hedge]

guaranteed every time

[abstract trail]

@nocturne hedge 👌🏿cool

[nocturne hedge]

about to fight nemesis on loop 5 with unhinged tier 7 (-85% nerf) with rpk and m44...god help me

no braced or optimized either

[dusk niche]

On shotguns it's impossible lol

[nocturne hedge]

got her

[timid mauve]

I had a draw match with nemesis, last bullet killed her and lit the fire chem around me, and I got the recon cache

[nocturne hedge]

nemesis time. may the reconstruction gods bless me

yay they did. got the BP for Kingbreaker

[vast sundial]

do you do that solo?

or is it better to go in descent with a party?

[nocturne hedge]

i'd say solo

[balmy finch]

nemesis is so much easier solo

[vast sundial]

I've never gotten to a nemesis yet :( because i am so bad

[dusty hawk]

descent will let you have a nemesis talent i think? i've never seen it though so

[vast sundial]

nemesis as in a boss, not as in gun

[nocturne hedge]

nope nemesis's talent isnt there

[rustic bough]

4 things can fuck off in the Descent:

• Loop 5 Rikers
• Loop 6 Black Tusks
• Loop 10 Rogue Agents
• 2nd exotic talent at loop 17

[nocturne hedge]

The first 2 are group only thing, right?

[rustic bough]

Nope. I've gotten plenty of them while solo

[nocturne hedge]

Isnt loop 5 solo either hyenas, cleaners or true sons?

[uncut gate]

Pretty rng based.

I got black tusk at loop 4.

[nocturne hedge]

Pretty sure the devs changed the faction spawns for solo players.
@raven lagoon might know more about it

[swift zinc]

fairly new to descent but is it normal that 90% of my loop enders are black tusk loops?

[balmy finch]

Wdym by loop ender

[swift zinc]

run-ender , loop- ender same meaning

[balmy finch]

so youre just dying to black tusk a lot, thats not really measurable on a "normal" scale

[swift zinc]

black tusk seems kinda overtuned for this mode eh? small rooms, mobile flanking units like hounds and mini-tanks

[balmy finch]

lol

[true crypt]

Can anyone confirm if descent gives apparel event key progress now? Thinking about doing some runs but not sure I want to if they still don't help with the caches.

[flint breach]

It does

[true crypt]

Hell yeah thank you gamer

[glad ravine]

Loop 10 rogues???

No chance

I wiped on 31 to rogues again last night, made it to 31 twice. Can’t kill them fast enough

[abstract trail]

Do reconstructed caches drop after 35?

[quartz zodiac]

Game literally threw me out of my matchmade group on Loop 3 for no reason.

I sure love this AAA Game!!!!!!

[balmy finch]

wdym "threw me out"

you prolly got kicked

[glad ravine]

Better than getting kicked out at 25

[wide karma]

sometime enemy stuck behind the door and no way to deal with it and have to quit the game.

[wide karma]

I find it stack with plague make it kill quicker.
so use like LMG to stack the buff, then swap the weapon to high dmg sniper with Optimist buff

just hind behind cover and don't get kill

[wide karma]

Want to do long descent run this weekend?

[rustic bough]

sure

[glad ravine]

im in

[wide karma]

let go private chat.

[wide karma]

sry, doing 2 ppl run

[glad ravine]

lol ok

[rustic bough]

Ayo my man be having 69 skill tiers and throwing out FOUR mortar turrets at once 💀
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1074598218484170792/1164848801828323359/Vivaldi_-_Four_Turrets.mp4

loop 12 rogues as well

[nocturne hedge]

Thats actually fucking hilarious

[ionic plover]

52 comms now and can only get 1 a week? Are they going to fix it where we can get them whenever Nemesis is dropped vs weekly?

[nocturne hedge]

i have no idea what they were thinking

[vast sundial]

are comms even essential?

[nocturne hedge]

no

[balmy finch]

They are collectibles. Add to the game's depth but not gameplay

[abstract trail]

Has anyone found or made a spreadsheet with maximum values of all attributes?

[twin geyser]

I have a question - does plague get stacks by using skills, like turrets?

[nocturne hedge]

Normal lvl 40 attributes or tier upgrades for descent talents?

[frozen radish]

Negative

[stiff rain]

^

[abstract trail]

Do reconstructed caches drop after loop 30?

[rustic bough]

don't think so

[wise granite]

I think they dont even drop because I havent seen a single one

Even when they updated the drop chances to be 100% after certain loops

[abstract trail]

@wise granite they def drop. I got 5 yesterday in one session.

[balmy finch]

its 100% on loop 25 and 30

[twin geyser]

From Nemesis to loop 30 you get 3 guaranteed recon. caches and a chance to get 3 additional recon. caches

[abstract trail]

@twin geyser cool so no point going past 30 except to get patch...

Anyone down for a session?

[twin geyser]

Will try a 4-man group run to loop 40 tomorrow 💀
Wish me luck

[abstract trail]

Good luck. I got to 47. About to try a 3 man right now.

If we can find a 3rd. Playstation is dead

[twin geyser]

We left on 41. I see no point in going further

[balmy finch]

2 guaranteed

[twin geyser]

3. One for loop 25 and 2 for loop 30

[balmy finch]

Two for 30?

You sure

[twin geyser]

Check descent table on Trello

[balmy finch]

I am

It says nothing about two caches

[twin geyser]

There is a guaranteed reward and one bonus reward

[balmy finch]

Oh

Lol that's worded weirdly

[twin geyser]

Indeed, but better than that bullshit we had before (12% on Nemesis and 49% on loop 30)

[balmy finch]

Definitely

[twin geyser]

Now there is some sense to go to loop 25

At least

I'm sitting at 404/458 now and that's a lot of work to be done 💀

[balmy finch]

Lol

[timid mauve]

better wait until next patched, they gonna fix those specialization sidearm blueprint, I guess they just simply remove it if on your craft table

[twin geyser]

I will just simply not open tomorrow's crates 😂

[nocturne hedge]

can we farm the caches now and wait for the patch to fix them, then we can open the caches?

[timid mauve]

I think so,I stock previous season caches and it gave me new season blueprint

[nocturne hedge]

do we know when the next patch is gonna be?

[timid mauve]

trello only mentioned it would be a fixed on TU19.2 with no specific date

[nocturne hedge]

hopefully the same patch fixes fox's blueprint

just got a reconstructed cache and im already tempted to open it

screw it im gonna open it

contractor's baby

[twin geyser]

Nice)

[rustic bough]

okay

this run is the most absurd of all

let's see:
Loop 6: BT
Loop 8: Rikers
Loop 9: BT
Loop 10: Rikers
No exotic talent until Loop 11

[bold finch]

Now that sounds like my luck

[rustic bough]

loop 20: medic reivived chunga inside the door, and then door closed, and chunga stuck inside door now 🤡

[abstract trail]

@rustic bough Man. Yesterday we didnt get 2nd exotic until 14...

@rustic bough Tonight we got choice on the first 3 loops.

[frozen radish]

I’ve seen 4 exotics in first 5 loops - also saw 2 in 22 today so…

[rustic bough]

we just got exotics from 11-16

[wide karma]

ya, the run start to get good, then the bug happen

[wise granite]

Got 3 recon caches after 21 loops

God kill me

Please why cant they add a checkpoint system instead of forcing me to kill such a good run

[twin geyser]

It's one hell of a luck, because until loop 25 you aren't guaranteed to get any recon. cache (50%, 75% and 90%)

[wise granite]

I know. I probably burnt out my life's luck now

No more poker for me

[twin geyser]

Sounds reasonable 🙂

[wise granite]

One thing I will say about Descent: We need more bosses besides Nemesis

And also a way to get collectibles that isnt the weeklies

[twin geyser]

I 200% this. Locking audio (1 per week) and adding more and more of them is just a lazy way to force people to play this mode, besides blueprints

[wise granite]

Like, if they made it so that Audios were bound to certain in-mode challenges or that you had to interact with certain stuff in the levels to get them, it would be perfect

[twin geyser]

Or once per nemesis, or once per 5 loops (or 10 loops, at your preference)

[wise granite]

While I would support that, I think it already kind of works like that but only for the first time you play Descent in a week

[twin geyser]

And that's a bit lame(

[wise granite]

Aka once you beat nemesucc for the week, you get 1 intel + 1 per every 10 loops you completed

But any Descent games after that never give any intel

[twin geyser]

Wait a second. You tell me, that if I kill Nemesis (first time per week) and proceed to loop 40 - I'll get 4 audios? 👀

[wise granite]

Ye

Good luck getting to loop 40 tho

[twin geyser]

Got there in Season 1 (Tier 1 Armpatch)
Will try today in a 4-man group

[kindred locust]

Does anyone know if you need to kill Nemi highest loop to get a chance at the reconstruction cache? I’ve ran nemi 10 times since update and gotten it once

[twin geyser]

No, it's the same 50% at any loop you kill Nemesis (can be loop 5 or loop 8-9)

[nocturne hedge]

doesnt matter when you kill it

[balmy finch]

^

[nocturne hedge]

would be cool if it did though

[balmy finch]

holy shit @nocturne hedge i just got the worst nemesis rng

[nocturne hedge]

ended in 6 loops?

[balmy finch]

no he had a restorer and reinforcer

literally the WORST RNG

[nocturne hedge]

oh

[balmy finch]

i barely managed to win

[nocturne hedge]

i once had him have two chem launcher variants, it was insane

didnt know it was possible

[balmy finch]

i remember you saying that lol

[regal swift]

I just got back the division 2 after a break I tried descent last night and Jesus the ai in is no joke especially nemesis I got instant beamed

[twin geyser]

We got it. 5:36, 4-man squad 💪

[wise granite]

Insane

[wise granite]

Nemesis highest loop is 10

Anything below that doesn't grant anything

[twin geyser]

Wanna hear something insane?. Bullet hell dropped for me at loop 33 FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE RUN

[wise granite]

At least it isnt Blind Justice or Doctor Home

[cyan fox]

How's 4 man scaling now

[rustic bough]

pretty easy

easier than 3-man I'd wager

[rustic bough]

thoretically loop 10 but it's very impossible to get it on loop 10

[twin geyser]

Well... the damage / HP curve is very unreliable. You smash through everything couple of loops, then one loop comes and, suddenly, you feel extreme lack of damage. 30+ loops are still inadequate dmg from NPCs and they are pretty tanky. But it was a good run, tbh

[abstract trail]

Can we get system corruption BPs in descent?

[humble halo]

You have to always take a mix of hard room and medium for it only than it is possible

Or Fully medium room run

[rustic bough]

for you to get to loop 10 you'd have to do ALL hard rooms. Not a single medium room.

[humble halo]

Mhh no? Easy-6% medium -4%

Also 4 times per loop

[rustic bough]

Hard is 2.5%

[humble halo]

Ok yeah correct

[rustic bough]

actually no, 4 hard rooms is 11%

so 11*9 = 99%.

any medium room would make it go over 100%

[humble halo]

It doesn't matter as long as we do it in loop 10

You have to be at 99% or below before loop 9

[rustic bough]

yes, which is impossible, because you aren't guaranteed to get a loop with all hard rooms

you can't be below 99% before loop 9, because that's the minimum

the minimum for a loop is a 11% gain

[wise granite]

You can only do 3 hard rooms in a row before the game hard removes them

For the following 3 rooms

Unless you manage to roll an HVT room, which counts as a Hard room

In other words, getting Loop 10 nemesucc is insane rng

[rustic bough]

well there you go

[cyan fox]

So the damage you do still just completely deteriorates after a certain loop

[rustic bough]

you feel a noticeable bump in difficulty every 5 loops after 20. both in terms of the damage you deal and receive

[cyan fox]

Yea I remember that is what I experienced

[compact jewel]

25-30 is super easy because you get rogues or hvt rooms almost everytime

[wise granite]

wait. does the rogue encounter only last 1 wave?

[nocturne hedge]

yeah, even if a room normally spawns 3 waves, you only get one rogue spawn

saves so much time and ammo

[wise granite]

oh damn

ive only gotten rogues once

which was a hard room for BT on loop 12

obv they clapped me because i didnt expect the spanish inquisition

[nocturne hedge]

nobody expects the spanish inquisition

[rustic bough]

fun fact: Rogues have a chance to spawn in only Hard rooms

one run I had 3 rogues between loops 11 and 12 💀

[nocturne hedge]

Earliest I've seen them was loop 10

[abstract trail]

Armor is so pointless after 30. Like wtf.... everything one shots

[twin geyser]

true. Next time I won't pick armor at all (only red cores with a mix of yellow if necessary)

[nocturne hedge]

i feel like a little blue is needed for 20s but not that much

[twin geyser]

2 days ago when we got to loop 40, we took +90% armor (6 picks) and 6 yellow cores (6 picks). Everything else was red and there still were loops, where we couldn't kill rogues with one clip from shotguns. So no armor at all is better than false belief in protection. They will one-shot you anyway

[nocturne hedge]

Every time a sniper kills me in 20s i think of grabbing armor on my next run but i just never end up doing it lol

[timid mauve]

if my counting correct, I had 10 recon cache in a row for nemesis run, although it did with diff characters and being on and off

[nocturne hedge]

oof

[humble halo]

Doesn't matter as long as you them I have only gotten 1 in 4 runs 🥲

[abstract trail]

@humble halo how lomg did those four runs take?

[humble halo]

Four different runs about 50mins each

[abstract trail]

@humble halo wouldnt it be easier to just go to 30 for the guaranteed drops?

[humble halo]

Only if I had the time

[nocturne hedge]

takes like 5 hours to reach 30

[abstract trail]

@humble halo my bad i assumed you did those runs back to back.

[humble halo]

Nw

[timid mauve]

in general a nemesis run requires 30 -35 min, the yield of recon cache is similar either short or long run

[rustic bough]

How on earth do you get 7 mins per loop

That's some serious speedrunning

[rustic bough]

Only the player with Leadership needs to go armor. They're the designated armor support guy the moment they pick that talent.

[balmy finch]

I've gotten it

[rustic bough]

Bravo

On high loops it's possible, but on early loops I can hardly think so

[twin geyser]

That's our usual time for DUO run to nemesis

[balmy finch]

Raucey did a 28 min nemesis run

[rustic bough]

Hacks

[balmy finch]

He recorded it and sent it to me, not hacks lol

[rustic bough]

H@cks

[balmy finch]

Not even fully optimal for that matter

[rustic bough]

Wdym fully optimal

Descent runs are never fully optimal, since a fat load of it is down to RNG

[balmy finch]

There's always a "fully optimal"

[twin geyser]

If you have Kinetic Momentum, Blind Justice and Empathy as your first exo talents - the run is not optimal 💀

[rustic bough]

Totally

[balmy finch]

I'd take empathic and run fixer drone

Wack free damage

[rustic bough]

Free 12% damage

Actually that's wack

[balmy finch]

Yes

[rustic bough]

But that's assuming you get fixer drone on the next loop

[balmy finch]

This whole argument is assumptions lol

[rustic bough]

Lots of RNG needed to conjure up this wack build

[wise granite]

if i got that, i would just grenade my feet right there

at least its not sandman, doctor and blind justice

[humble halo]

Also liberty or death when you don't have shield

[wise granite]

Yeah, although it at least can be put to some kind of use

[humble halo]

Yeah but that translates to not hitting head

[wise granite]

Also true, so unless you wanna ditch Traumatism and main Eyeless Sadist, you're just making Nemesucc harder for no reason

[humble halo]

I get emphatic sandman liberty Quite frequently I just leave the run sometimes 🥲

[wise granite]

Yeah thats probably the best course of action

[rustic bough]

LoD is okay whether you have a shield or not. free 60% damage. condition: no headshots

so after documenting appearances of exotic talents, out of 20 Loop 19 runs, I can tell you that Massive lied.

what the figures say:
Loop 2-3: 5%
Loop 4-6: 25%
Loop 7-9: 35%
Loops 9+: 40%

What I found:
Loop 2-3: 7.5%
Loop 4-6: 10%
Loop 7-9: 25%
Loops 9+: 30%

[humble halo]

It's rng tbh so you can't say that I ran nemesis 5 times did one yesterday and my total is 1 reconstruction cache out of those 5 runs so 20% they said 50%

[humble halo]

I guess the weapon still have their base headshot value and I have talent that give me weapon DMG so I am missing a multiplier effectively when trying to aim body

[rustic bough]

but if I include a large enough pool, I can get a more reliable estimate

[humble halo]

True increasing the sample size

[rustic bough]

for "Loops 9+" I did loops 10-19, so mathematically speaking I should get 4 exo talents

[timid mauve]

meanwhile it's 11 x 100% to me💀

[humble halo]

🥲🥲#SPS: Sadness Pain Suffering for me

[nocturne hedge]

got the bp for emperor's guard

[abstract trail]

Is there a consensus on favoring Bullet hell over steady handed for late runs?

[wise granite]

Take both in tandem and you will never run out of ammo

Why? Because sadly Stabilize hasn't been added

[nocturne hedge]

started loop 4 on a 58% heat...hopefully it wont end in 6 loops

[balmy finch]

Did it

[nocturne hedge]

no

[humble halo]

Again no cache on the run 🥲

The chances are wrong

1/6=16%

[timid mauve]

@humble halo sharing OB to others to please RNGesus, or sacrifice your soul to loofcifer, either way works👍

[humble halo]

I have given everything to lootcifer

[wise granite]

I just say "fuck it. We ball"

[abstract trail]

Does optimist still proc with bullet king. I swear i cant tell

[humble halo]

Only halfway

[twin geyser]

about 40% then it resets

[wise granite]

homies, tell me:

-incessant chatter/kinetic/bullet hell

how over is it?

loop 1 btw

i went with bullet hell, but i wanna know my chances

[timid mauve]

long run > chatter, short > BH

[pine siren]

I'd always pick chatter personally, no need to buy ammo (and the rof bonus is pretty huge). Only really the nemesis fight itself where it's the less good option

[rustic bough]

Actually, it is not wack. Healing self only gives 4-28% damage. It's just not worth it.

[balmy finch]

I know lol

[frozen radish]

chatter is sooo much better than ALL OTHER exotic talents if used properly and not even close. I am sure lot of ppl do it, but the ideal run would be to pick BH on top of chatter when the rof stacks are full

[nocturne hedge]

diamondback is also good for crits and clutch

[cedar topaz]

Lol regulus talent is great for spawn killing enemies

[balmy finch]

regulus talent isnt in descent

[tall thunder]

Yeah it is

[balmy finch]

? regicide isnt

[obtuse moon]

It is

[balmy finch]

the patch notes dont say this

[tall thunder]

Its in descent

[balmy finch]

you sure

because its literally not mentioned in patch notes and ive also not seen it

[obtuse moon]

Yes because it's popped up multiple times for me

[tall thunder]

I mean ive had it twice my freind has had it and atleast two plus me have said it

[balmy finch]

🤷‍♀️

[obtuse moon]

In the patch notes right under descent it shows the new talents added

[balmy finch]

oh i must have missed it

my bad lol

[abstract trail]

Has anyone gotten fox prayer knees from recon cache?

[humble halo]

Yup it is I have gotten it 3 times

[nocturne hedge]

Yeah i love it when i pair regicide and m44

Poor man's regulus

[humble halo]

Tbh regulus talent is kind of risk of you don't have the right weapon

[nocturne hedge]

True, but popping heads is satisfying, even if its not useful for my current gun

[humble halo]

I would not skip plauge/breadth free for this talent

[nocturne hedge]

Tough choice...

[dusk niche]

Regicide is in the patch notes, it wasn't in the pts patch notes but in the pts so people were wondering if it was coming to the live game. It did

[balmy finch]

I've heard people get it and have it taken away

[nocturne hedge]

its bugged, you can earn the blueprint but you cant see it in the crafting table

i have the same issue as well

[wise granite]

I just wanna have Gear Set Talents and an Spec weapon in Descent and we golden bro...

[nocturne hedge]

i would love grenades

flashbang and fire would be so good

[cyan fox]

Sure wish I didn't get overconfident
And wipe because of it
Had the dream setup too for a shotgun
Pummel, opportunistic, intimidate, ad Rush 😭

[abstract trail]

So we did a speedrun to loop 31 in 4 hours 19 minutes. Crazy part is the RNGesus had exotic choice on 24 loops.

[balmy finch]

Add it to mad bomber and add that then we good

Basically lock out spec grenades unless you pick mad bomber talent

And mad bomber increases radius by 5% per, starting at 25%

For a max of 75% radius

[twin geyser]

Decent time 👌

[balmy finch]

indecent

[jolly cave]

@heavy idol You're looking for #lfg-playstation

[humble halo]

anyone know when triple waves spawns in descent

also when the first rouge encounter happens

[twin geyser]

Well, we didn't meet a single rogue before nemesis (picking hard rooms), and not a single rogue before loop 25, when you're forced into Hard only. So, I guess, it's heroic room chance only, but I can be wrong

[humble halo]

thnx first long run

i am lucky this run i have breadth free bullet hell and plauge

with acs and m870

reviver and decoy

the snipers sure are crazy

[twin geyser]

What's your highest loop?

[humble halo]

12 lol

[nocturne hedge]

for solo play:
triple spawn starts on loop 17
rogue is entirely random

[humble halo]

ok

[cyan fox]

Around 17 is aswell for me solo when they started spawning heavies

Some can ruin ur run
Especially if they Spawn with special ammo

[wise granite]

The only real run ender heavies are the Hyena and True Son ones

All the others, you can handle pretty easily by simply gimping their perma weak spot or punching their weak spots real hard

Why Hyena and True Son heavies? Simple.

Hyena's Heavy is a tankier, more annoying version of the BT heavy despite the lack of the regen hive weak point. Besides that, they recover more easily and, generally, suck ass

True Sons' Heavy is not only a tankier version of BT's heavy, but you 9/10 times cant hit its weak spot to disable their grenade launcher, meaning that 90% of the time you will be taking player tracking grenades that wipe all your armor and health/will insta kill you if you dont have one shot protection

[cyan fox]

Those hyena heavies are smth else

[wise granite]

just delta 3'd while on loop 7 at 70%

sewer slide has never been such a good looking option

[balmy finch]

?

[cyan fox]

Most fun I've had in a while in descent
M870, regicide, bullet hell, bloodsucker, intimidate, Pummel opportunistic,ad Rush

Might make it my rule to scrap a run if I don't get regicide immediately 😂

[nocturne hedge]

Heavy solo starts on 16

[ionic plover]

Whats with descent enemies being so tanky now

I don't remember them being so beefy before

[mighty tartan]

What is the rarest skill during a run, is it shields? I’ve only ever gotten a Bulwark shield once since this mode was released, but never any of the regular shields

[nocturne hedge]

ive had them offered a few times but the truth is that the shields just suck in descent

[mighty tartan]

I just wanted to use the shield talents that usually pop up since they are now in the talent pool rotation a bit more now

[cyan fox]

The shield is only useful to proc vanguard and protector

You really can't use it cuz devs don't know how to scale shield hp to enemy damage in descent

[mighty tartan]

Looks like armor cores do not boost shield tiers in Decent anyways

[cyan fox]

Another oversight

[timid mauve]

it didn't

[cyan fox]

Descent still sometimes feels weird
Like yesterday it straight up did not let me fire my M870

Pressing the shoot button and it quite literally did nothing

[mighty tartan]

Same thing happened with some of my skills sometimes

[cyan fox]

Sometimes I have to press multiple times the skill button for it to finally trigger

[timid mauve]

mine is my pistol occasionally no ammo

[cyan fox]

Trying to bring up my foam chem and my character just refuses

[mighty tartan]

I’m not looking forward to them adding more talents into the talent pool in the future since it will just make the key/stronger ones harder to get for a run

[frozen radish]

Damage yourself with a grenade to fix this issue when it happens. Not ideal and it sucks but that’s the solve

[cyan fox]

I think the mode needs it tbh
Like them adding regicide makes descent night and day

Easily my favourite way to run descent
So fun

[nocturne hedge]

wouldnt that just down you?

[frozen radish]

Do it once the loop is done, you can survive - but don’t risk it if you don’t have hive

This happened a lot pre patch, not seen this recently

[mighty tartan]

Exotics are fine for me, just don’t want any more shield based talents when the game doesn’t even want to give you shield skills

[timid mauve]

there is one time I stuck into a wall at boss arena, it took 2 nades to end it💀

[mighty tartan]

Me whenever I get the Plague of the Outcast exotic talent: https://youtu.be/z-BkrwO_Dck?si=xsMenvQoynMZF2Dr

[dusk niche]

Hmm seems I'm getting a descent audio per run ( on my HC char)

[coral fox]

i had this yesterday with stinger hive, would only let me drop it, wouldnt let me throw it for some reason

[balmy finch]

have you passed 21/52

[dusk niche]

Not on that character, started descent this week and got 4 audios which should be the amount of times I did descent and beat nemesis

[balmy finch]

it might stop you at 21 since thats how many are out rn

[dusk niche]

Yep but at least it's not comm per week even if an older one. Also seems the comms are picked at random and not in the order they were released

[balmy finch]

its a bit weird, some are in a different place than others they arent ordered chronologically

[dusk niche]

Yeah it is weird, glad I'm getting them in release order on my main character 😅

[balmy finch]

i think its random up to 21/52 rn

a theory

[dusk niche]

It is

[balmy finch]

ah

[lean kettle]

Can't seem to find the answer anywhere, anyone know if the descent gives exp towards the current nexus apparel event? I know it was bugged a while back and didn't get exp towards events, didn't hear if it's fixed or not

[timid mauve]

@lean kettle it will give apparel key

[lean kettle]

Awesome thanks!

[wise granite]

It does. I got 4 keys the other day after 20 solo loops

[pine siren]

I'm about 3 comms behind and tried a second nemesis run a couple of weeks ago, it didn't get me any extra comms. Either they stealth fixed it since then or there's something more complicated/weird going on.

[balmy finch]

Another hardcore bug probably

[nocturne hedge]

my HC toon has 4 comms, even though i did like 20 nemesis runs in the few days ive had this toon as lvl 40

[dusk niche]

Yeah I did some descent during the campaign so it might be that, I did descent at 40 but didn't notice the comms until now

[robust junco]

Anyone has a guide for descent?

im pretty new to this descent game mode

[dusk niche]

There's no generic guide just ask, there's several ways to do descent depending on how far you want to go

[jolly cave]

@desert merlin You're looking for #lfg-pc

[nocturne hedge]

my nemesis just spawned with foam and fire starter chems

[humble halo]

Nice double chems

Better than oxi chems

[obtuse comet]

I’ve recently found a fun way to play Descent, been doing themed challenges. Russian Made is pretty brutal especially if you start with the SVD. Russian Made is as it sounds: Russian make Firearms which in Descent mean the AKM, RPK, SVD, and the PP16 (PP Bizon)

[balmy finch]

what if you literally dont get any of those

[wise granite]

grenade to the feet

[balmy finch]

bruh

[wise granite]

yeah its that simple

literally the daily routine

wake up - open caches for free textiles - yell "they got alex" in the white house hq - no one says it back - grenade to the feet

[obtuse comet]

Then you do a different theme run

[wise granite]

i just noticed something after killing nemesis

they updated the model i think. Now it copies YOUR character model instead of using one of the pre-existing rogue ones

[wise granite]

the game crashed just as i was about to go past wave 18

grenade at feet

grenade at feet for days

[trail crow]

This drives me nuts. There is another rogue like I play that classifies a crash as a "technical death" and just restarts you at the last floor you were on.

Sort of necessary since the other game has 351 floors....

But still

[balmy finch]

go to lfg

[wise granite]

The matchmaking button in question

[humble halo]

Fuck this mode 1blueprint out of 10 runs so far

Fuck the rng that is not 50%

[thin bloom]

[frozen radish]

what's it called

[timid mauve]

@humble halo the worst moment of mine is 40 games from the last season, this is how RNG work, sometime mercy, another time being cruel

[trail crow]

Let It Die

[timid mauve]

Wish my internet go little faster then I would make it with 27min😛

https://i.imgur.com/EOXXKmY.jpeg

[nocturne hedge]

my nemesis just had defender and fixer drones LOL

was happy to have gotten a rec cache, it was a maxim 9...

[cedar oriole]

It's two days at row in trying to beat for the first time Nemesis
This last try i was good, really confidend
My game just crashed because thsi game wanted me dead

[timid mauve]

another annoying lovebirds

[nocturne hedge]

39 blueprints, almost all shit...

[timid mauve]

coz most of named items are💩

red closer, yellow setup, yellow sacrifice, red/blue emperor's guard

and hollow man, not the item itself being good for build, but it didn't require yaahl materials in crafting so this is a way to obtain the brand materials by "reverse crafting"

[twin geyser]

Big brain move 👍

[river sky]

is descent multiplayer? I dont see a LFG channel for it?

[jolly cave]

The LFG for Descent is included in the base one for each platform.
so e.g. for PC it's #lfg-pc

[river sky]

ty

[nocturne hedge]

Tabula Rasa...awesome...

[lofty rock]

It would be great having named weapon variants in the descent

[rustic bough]

But why

What good would it do?

[desert merlin]

guys, what loop do descent start giving blue prints like the matador etc

[timid mauve]

@desert merlin https://trello.com/c/H4bPyZfQ

reconstructed cache included blueprint

[nocturne hedge]

So how many blueprints do we currently have, including the not intended ones? Gotta be less than 60 right?

[twin geyser]

Something like 50, +-

[timid mauve]

I can count 57 + fox prayer atm, donno what they gonna do with the spec sidearm, so no conclusion

[nocturne hedge]

got 40 corrently so i still have a few to go

its almost over though

[humble halo]

@nocturne hedge I can't see NPC in descent

Only 1 remaining

And his somewhere lol

Found him he was inside

After treatment plan

Lol

[timid mauve]

is it fed bunker water engine room?

[humble halo]

Yeah that one

He attacked me

I was so glad when he attacked me lol

I thought I was done for lol

Btw for floor 12 reconstruction cache do you have to beat it?

[timid mauve]

there is a spot allow them to vault, it's hilarious also speechless when witness them doing it

what's floor 12?

[humble halo]

Room 12 I mean lol

Too much summit

[timid mauve]

if you mean Loop I only reach 21 once this season just for armpatch, most of the time my journey end in L5

[humble halo]

Ok

[nocturne hedge]

yeah i assume you have to beat a loop to get its reward

[humble halo]

So reached loop 12

No reconstruction cache 🥲💀

[nocturne hedge]

its not guaranteed though

i think the only 100% guarantee is loop 30

[humble halo]

Lol

But but

50% and 75% not procing means

My luck is shit

Let me check the list

[nocturne hedge]

yup

[humble halo]

1/11 runs and 1/12 chances f*k this mode

[nocturne hedge]

i just had a streak of 4

but didnt get a cache in my last run

[timid mauve]

I wish I could share to you, right now it's around 50 caches in my 3 characters, soon or later I need to get rid of some caches LOL

[nocturne hedge]

doing another right now tho

[humble halo]

Lol

[nocturne hedge]

gonna open them after the fix?

[timid mauve]

yeah I will do a test

[nocturne hedge]

i can do the test for you

[obtuse moon]

Looking at the updated chart but there's no reconstruction cache at 12

[nocturne hedge]

isnt it 15, 25 and 30?

[humble halo]

I meant the 75% chance

[obtuse moon]

It's 15

[humble halo]

Had to quit

At 13

🥲

[nocturne hedge]

insert that gif from rogue one movie "we were this close to victory"

[nocturne hedge]

loop 5 here i go

[humble halo]

🥲🥲

#SPS

[nocturne hedge]

nemesis time

alright lets see if i get a cache

yup got one

[humble halo]

#SPS for me again

(SPS: Sadness Pain and Suffering)

[nocturne hedge]

Firestarter fuck this

#SPS

but the cache itself also gave me an almost-godrolled TDI Kard with finisher

blueprint #41 was a disappointment

15 ish more to go

[pine siren]

I think the spec sidearms are due to be fixed in the next patch, so might be worth holding caches until Tuesday at least

[mighty tartan]

Another week, another comm down

Damn unhinged with certain talents is strong

[balmy finch]

damn this new comm

[remote grail]

I have think about 2 attempts at descent. Any general advice for it?

[timid mauve]

Don't get killed

[hidden idol]

I would say that you should learn a few areas where there is "god covers" (areas where enemies can't spawn behind you), and the areas that don't have a safe spot (whenever you go, there is a spawn)

But I only play for fun, so I can't give any advices on specific things you should do to do a "perfect" run

[digital pond]

You get a guaranteed exotic talent, build around it, if they all suck. Wipe

[coarse crag]

I've been having a blast with unhinged, super 90/870 and rifles like the m1a.

[balmy finch]

Not really good advice tbh

[quartz sparrow]

What would be good advice for beginners of descent? I've played it about 2-3 times and the furthest I've reached is loop 3 but it took forever and I had things to do, so I had to leave when it gave me the option to go back to DC. It was a nice change instead of dying early on during that one run though.

I just don't know what I'm doing with the perks and skills. Even in the main game I'm kinda scratching my head at gear that is skill based regarding skill haste and skill repair.

[stiff rain]

don't focus on skills before nemesis, focus on damage talents

[humble halo]

The best go to talents and skills are

Yellow:trauma opportunistic eyeless or sadist with trauma

Blue: preservation clutch

Red: vigilance composure optimist concussion Allegro

For skills :foam hive and decoy

Good exo talent:bullet hell plauge of outcast chatter box breadth free

If you don't have experience with glass Cannon skip it

[twin fulcrum]

matchmaking taking forever and i just got back to this game and want to run descent anyone wanna join?

[cyan fox]

I would advise the same tbh

[tame tiger]

it's not that bad - since game can give you same sht every time
and in the high loops it's gonna be a reeeeal pain in the a$$

[tame tiger]

bloodsucker with intimidate also rocks smh

[tame tiger]

wait there's a possibility of reconstructed with defeating nemesis now...?

[nocturne hedge]

There's always been

Ever since the mode came out

[tame tiger]

huh

guess i suck at having luck too

[nocturne hedge]

Used to be 12% but was recently buffed to 50%

[tame tiger]

ohhhhh...........

never done descent these days actually....

*man i want to get to those hiiiiiiiiiiiigh loops * 🥲

[nocturne hedge]

To infinitely and beyond

[cedar topaz]

Full red room or 2 red and 1 yellow but on normal or full yellow room on heroic guess what ones being chosen

[obtuse comet]

Can anyone confirm this rumor I heard? Apparently you can get blueprints from past seasons reward tracks (TKB for example) through the reconstructed caches dropped from Descent

[frozen violet]

Yes, got 3 caches yesterday from a run. Trying to find somebody to speed run it with

[nocturne hedge]

Imagine a cache that could have gotten you the bp to the gift gives you a tkb instead

Thats gotta suck

[humble halo]

Imagine getting a reconstruction cache

[twin geyser]

💀

[timid mauve]

don't let lootcifer know your dream💀

[humble halo]

I don't even know what a recalibration cache is

[obtuse moon]

I feel your pain, I have 15 BPs right now but nothing the last 5 nemesis runs

[nocturne hedge]

another day another trash blueprint

[wise granite]

prioritize getting preservation as early as possible and as high as you can get it. Dont do easy rooms too early, or else you'll reach nemesis underpowered. Learn the certain spots you can take cover behind without enemies being able to spawn behind you, like the control pad on the electric lab or the elevated platform on the fire lab. if you dont get either breathe free, plague of the outcasts or bloodsucker before nemesis, grenade to the feet INSTANTANEOUSLY

[drifting condor]

It isn't that serious if you don't get those if you have riot foam or airburst

[nocturne hedge]

with the addition of efficient id say thats also worth upgrading a lot

[wise granite]

nemesis develops immunity to those

stack that on top of complete immunity to electrocution

[nocturne hedge]

isnt nemesis only immune to shock?

[drifting condor]

Didn't actually know that he isn't normally alive that long lol

[obtuse moon]

Riot foam works on nemesis

[wise granite]

a 1s paralysis is just enough to sneeze at him

you're safer going with traumatism and blinding him

[drifting condor]

Its long enough to get 5 or 6 shotgun shots in him

[balmy finch]

Trauma + empowered + perpetuation

[obtuse moon]

I usually kill it fast enough so it doesn't bother me

[wise granite]

i combo trauma with eyeless and sadist purely for the free damage boost

[balmy finch]

Riot foam requires you to sit around and wait for cooldown

[nocturne hedge]

first use trauma, then use foam when waiting for trauma's cooldown

[wise granite]

also, not to mention. if you have foam, so does nemesis

safer than foam is holo decoy

since at least nemesis deploying a holo decoy isnt going to sell you out like foam will

[balmy finch]

You have to wait like 10 seconds until jam wears off tho?

[nocturne hedge]

sometimes nemesis spawns way too far and you have to wait for it to come closer

if it spawns close just blind him and kill him asap

[balmy finch]

Just run up to it I don't understand

[nocturne hedge]

i like having high ground

[wise granite]

nemesis has nuke melee. not worth it

[balmy finch]

But you're blinding it?

[wise granite]

yeah but it still isnt advisable since the very millisecond that blindness wears off, he will punch you and shoot you, pretty much downing you instantly

[balmy finch]

Are you millimeters from him or something

Just standing still

Because that's obviously not advisable

But if you're not standing still then just roll away

[wise granite]

No but trying to put distance is no use anyways. Key thing for nemesis is to NOT fight nemesis

[obtuse moon]

What? Lol

[balmy finch]

???

You run up cc and shoot til dead what are you on about

[nocturne hedge]

"Key thing for nemesis is to NOT fight nemesis"

dont do drugs

[wise granite]

I play solo

[balmy finch]

So do I?

[obtuse moon]

So do I

[balmy finch]

Literally only works in solo lmfao

[nocturne hedge]

so do I

[obtuse moon]

I pick all easy rooms when I can and I'm good to go for nemesis after loop 5

[balmy finch]

Yeah literally just trauma + empowered + perpetuation then gun down

No fancy shit needed

[obtuse moon]

Sometimes if incendiary is available in one of the previous rooms I take that and put it on a secondary

[balmy finch]

No dancing

[wise granite]

I prefer gearing up some more and doing all hard rooms till nemesis folds. mainly because its more xp and stuff

[balmy finch]

Do you go past nemesis?

Because on all easy it only takes an average of 35-45m per run

[wise granite]

yep

[obtuse moon]

I'm only in it for the recon caches

[balmy finch]

But it's been done sub-30

Yeah there's no reason to go past nemesis unless you're going to 25-30

[balmy finch]

Then wouldn't it be better to go all easy so you have a lower chance of failure

[wise granite]

not really. at least not before loop 6 that is

[balmy finch]

That's as long as it takes to get to nem on easy

[wise granite]

and even then, at higher loops, hard rooms also begin spawning room hazards more frequently

which, often, ends up in you getting an easier room

[balmy finch]

Just go all easy entirely

[wise granite]

not to mention, easy rooms get removed by loop 10-15 iirc

[nocturne hedge]

fastest nemesis run ive seen was 23:40 from brokne rng

[balmy finch]

Lol

Compared to over an hour with hard rooms

[obtuse moon]

I did 30 mins before work today

[nocturne hedge]

i do 30 to 35 mins

[pine siren]

I rarely get under 40m, must be playing a bit too cautiously (plus I tend to just use pistol except for arena fights, have some morbid fear of spending money on ammo)

[nocturne hedge]

here i go again. may be reconstruction gods bless me

[obtuse moon]

40 minutes is still good

How many BPs do you have so far?

[pine siren]

I just run one a week for the comms, currently only got about 5 blueprints

rng is not my friend

[obtuse moon]

I try to do at least 3 a day when I can. I still have 30 something to go but only going for the setup

[nocturne hedge]

44 so far

[obtuse moon]

Oh you're getting close to finishing I think? Someone said on reddit there are bps that aren't in descent yet

[nocturne hedge]

?

i know there are like 55 ish BPs so im almost done

id say in a week or so

[obtuse moon]

Maybe I read it wrong but a week isn't bad at all

[nocturne hedge]

was not blessed😔

[humble halo]

Trying descent

1/11 after season

I got more lucky last season with 12% rng

[humble halo]

Died to invisble rusher

[timid mauve]

they gonna fix kard and fox prayer blueprint 🎉

[balmy finch]

More comms 🎉

[nocturne hedge]

oh jesus christ...more comms

isnt FIFTY TWO enough?

[balmy finch]

No 🔥

[trail crow]

Is going to nemesis and returning the best reconstructed cache farm?

[balmy finch]

There's not really a best

[nocturne hedge]

yeah its the best

[timid mauve]

RNG takes the decision

[trail crow]

The struggle is real

It takes like 5-6 hours for me to get to loop 30

[balmy finch]

I'll farm descent once I get my damn unicorn courier

[trail crow]

Rubber banding the controller to stay in game :/

[timid mauve]

is it on previous season track?

[balmy finch]

Yes

I just can't get the right roles

[nocturne hedge]

isnt it craftable?

[timid mauve]

the blueprint is on the track of Y4S3-ish, unless you missed the whole season. I took about 15 rounds to craft one w/ SE and haste, that gonna be forever to farm a right roll

[balmy finch]

Yes?

[nocturne hedge]

then crafting it is gonna be easier than farming it for sure

[jolly cave]

Wait, it's in the TL pool right, why not Countdown it up?

[balmy finch]

thats what ive been doing too .-.

countdown then all mats i get from desconstructing go into crafting

my luck is just abysmal

cant get one with status/haste

[nocturne hedge]

perfect creeping death was it?

[balmy finch]

mhm

[nocturne hedge]

Arent you guys on different platforms

[humble halo]

Platform can't stop unity

[nocturne hedge]

Awee

[jolly cave]

@topaz orchid You're looking for #lfg-playstation

[rustic bough]

Added more collectibles to Descent
ah shit, here we go again

[twin geyser]

I really hope it's not what I'm thinking (we already have 12 months of weekly grind without skipping)

[rustic bough]

hmm, collectible count is still at 52

[twin geyser]

Maybe they increased the amount of collectibles per week?

[timid mauve]

Here is blueprints' list as of TU19.2
AR: Burn Out / Glory Daze / Kingbreaker / Manic / Mechanical Animal / Test Subject / The Railsplitter
LMG: Carnage / Good Times / New Reliable / Quiet Roar / Tabula Rasa
SMG: Cold Relations / Dark Winter / Swap Chain / The Apartment / The Grudge
SG: Boomstick / Cuelebre / Rock 'n Roll / The Mop
Rifle: Baker's Dozen / Everlasting Gaze / Harmony / Surge / The Virginian
MMR: Scalpel / The White Death
Sidearm: Backup Boomstick / TDI "Kard" Custom
Mask: Nightwatcher / The Hollow Man
Backpack: Anarchist's Cookbook / Battery Pack / Devil's Due / Force Multiplier / Liquid Engineer / Matador / The Gift / The Setup
Chest: Caesar's Guard / Chainkiller / Closer / Door-kicker's Knock / Everyday Carrier / Ferocious Calm / Pristine Example / The Sacrifice / Zero's F
Gloves: Contractor's Gloves
Holster: Claws Out / Forge
Kneepad: Emperor's Guard, Fox's Prayer

[balmy finch]

no deathgrips?

[timid mauve]

that's all, opened couple of caches in case they give us surprise, and there's none

[balmy finch]

thats weird

oh and no pinprick

they seriously left out some weird ones

[nocturne hedge]

is pinprick even good

[timid mauve]

nah, weak damage suck talent

[twin geyser]

Like a lot of named items - perfect talent on wrong gear brand (

[balmy finch]

bring bad old fox

[nocturne hedge]

too lazy to count, how many are they?

[nocturne hedge]

can you still get a cache even after earning all the BPs? at that point i guess the rec cache just turns onto a named item cache

[timid mauve]

@nocturne hedge total 54, and yes, we still can farm recon cache after collected all BP, actually I had 50 reserve for next season

[nocturne hedge]

what the f*ck is wrong with you lol

[timid mauve]

RNG, just RNG, man

[lime moss]

From the patch notes:

Added more weekly collectibles to Descent

Anyone understood what changed?

[nocturne hedge]

i guess they added the collectibles in the last update (from 17 to 52) but they only said it now

[lime moss]

so you still get 1 collectible max per week ?

[balmy finch]

yes

[lime moss]

sad

not bothering with them then...

[nocturne hedge]

i dont think we even have 50 named items left without BPs

[lime moss]

I just got Closer blueprint from control point lol
is that intended ?

[balmy finch]

shrug

[nocturne hedge]

cant be

[obtuse moon]

Closer and the setup are dropping from CP level 4 but those are the only ones. Will probably get patched soon

[dusk niche]

Only one audio log 🥲

[timid mauve]

my plan was made it 30, the rest is unexpected

[wise granite]

stfg they got to add more ways of getting descent collectibles

[wise granite]

That and 3 more tilesets because the NSA lab and the bunker complex are driving me to insanity

[nocturne hedge]

Dont you wanna do descent for an entire year?

[twin geyser]

I have 412 blueprints only 💀 (because I like playing different games)

[nocturne hedge]

imagine liking other games

[twin geyser]

👀

[humble halo]

Vr Kanojo

[gentle crystal]

Why was it deleted

[nocturne hedge]

what was deleted?

[gentle crystal]

Me asking for help 😭

[nocturne hedge]

because LFG posts arent allowed here

[gentle crystal]

Gotcha

[jolly cave]

Feel free to make one down in #lfg-playstation though.

[gentle crystal]

I hate playing older games because the matchmaking is basically non existent for low levels 😭

[nocturne hedge]

i dont think many poeple matchmake for descent in general either

[gentle crystal]

That just makes it even worse 😭

[timid mauve]

tried couple of CP4 and found nothing, probably coz I already had it from recon cache. thing that make me curious is I saw reddit post it is visual UI for the CP4 ver. blueprint, which is different from recon cache, are dev plan to test something on the blueprint?

[nocturne hedge]

speaking of icons, rec caches have the same icon as seasonal caches

[robust junco]

Do people play decent on regular basis?

[jolly cave]

It seems to be a fairly popular LFG down in #lfg-pc

[robust junco]

What could be the best build i can go for shortguns?

i saw someone quite OP by 6-7 loop