td2-descent

[rustic bough]

Also no new stuff added to the NSA tech vendor

[delicate ruin]

And somehow empathic resolve is an exotic talent. Makes no sense to me

[rustic bough]

I forgot what that talent does

[delicate ruin]

Basically future initative

Heal teammates and they get extra damage

[rustic bough]

Oh

Imagine trying to make healing and skill builds useful in a game mode where neither armor or weapon damage matter a whole lot in the long run

[twilit whale]

It dilutes the exotic pool further so it's an RNG nerf

At least now I'm motivated to farm all the blueprints though

looks like riffleman is gonna be busted with automatic weapons

[timid mauve]

it is good talent beside precise and breadbasket

yup, the diluted pool would be more challenge for speed run, and more welcome for marathon player since some new added are actually useful

[compact jewel]

I know heartbreaker blueprints are dropping from CP lvl 3

[humble halo]

nice

[rustic bough]

Finally got past loop 40 with the amazing @wide karma

[humble halo]

nice

[humble halo]

how many hours

[rustic bough]

almost 8

[twin geyser]

how many breaks during the run?)

[rustic bough]

a few

[twin geyser]

welcome to the club 👍

[rustic bough]

1 for meal, and the others for crapping my pants because I've never gotten past loop 33 XD

[wide karma]

my last higest loop was at 33 as well.

would defiantly try Artillery's plague build, didn't realize how useful against rouge.

[balmy finch]

Loop 33 gang

[dusk niche]

Hope the tier patches don't change with the new season

[balmy finch]

They never said it so

[raven lagoon]

yeah, I only mentioned it due to the season info that's on the patch itself. it was just an assumption I made that we'd get a new batch of patches with the current season name on them as well. (stupid idea if that's true, but I also thought it was stupid to even have the season name on the patch to begin with)

[balmy finch]

Wdym you mentioned it is that your alt

[raven lagoon]

I meant someone asked about it yesterday and I said "most likely we'll get new patches" lol

[balmy finch]

Oh lol

[raven lagoon]

so Im out here spreading assumed info. XD

[humble halo]

[dusk niche]

Not saying anything doesn't mean it won't change. Could be just the first season of the game mode thing and they don't add new patches lol

[balmy finch]

It's the second season tho

[raven lagoon]

new patch for reaching loop 50, it just shows a gaming chair and a metal bucket. lol

[balmy finch]

more like a controller with a rubber band on it

[nocturne hedge]

Im also looking for people to do loop 40 with lol

[humble halo]

lol so gmt -4 for you?

[balmy finch]

huh

[humble halo]

your time zone ?

[balmy finch]

i think its -5

nah -4 itll be -5 next month

[humble halo]

ouch

[balmy finch]

my bad two months

[humble halo]

that is difficult for a 6 hour game + 1-2 hour break

[balmy finch]

EDT

1-2 hour break? wtf

i aint need no break

maybe like a bathroom break for like 5-10 minutes

but two hours? completely unnecessary

[balmy finch]

thats not even a 6-hour game at that point if the break is a third of the actual session lmao

[humble halo]

why not lol just use a macro

[balmy finch]

thats not a single session at that point

3 hours on 2 hours off 3 hours on, thats not a 6 hour session thats two 3-hour ones

[humble halo]

but from the games point of view it is you didn't log out xDd

[balmy finch]

but we are talking about real-life impact so that doesnt matter in this context

[balmy finch]

are you free Sunday at 15:00

[nocturne hedge]

Yup

Gotta pray to my isp

[balmy finch]

aight lets try for then

[nocturne hedge]

nemesis was so tired me killing it in 5 seconds that it just spawned in and did a emp attack, tossed a stinger hive at me and killed me in 1 sec. nothing i could do about it

[raven lagoon]

remember folks, NSA tech curreny carries over from season to season (not sure why they had to state that) lol

were folks worried all the extra currency would disappear?

[nocturne hedge]

maybe upgrades are seasonal?

[raven lagoon]

I was thinking that previously....that the upgrades would reset each season.

[dusk niche]

That would suck tbh

Once I grind the BPs I don't think I'll continue to play descent and a season reset would just make double down on not playing it. It ultimately needs a checkpoint system to be viable long tern

[nocturne hedge]

once i get the loop 40 arm patch and all the BPs ill stop playing it

[dusk niche]

With a checkpoint system I would continue to play it but if they don't implement yeah same

[pine siren]

I'm just in it for the comms mainly (and I'll maybe farm out the blueprints once the higher drop rate is in place)

[raven lagoon]

yeah, I need to catch up on my comms, so far behind now

[nocturne hedge]

yeah me too, only 12

[raven lagoon]

I got distracted and busy with life before that even, I think I'm at like 7 or 8. OOF

[balmy finch]

lets take that out sunday then get on our way

[wide karma]

Not sure you guys can verify for me, rogues only appear in hard diff. Room?
It seems like picking normal or easy room doesn’t spawn them at all.

[coral fox]

wish they would put in a rejoin feature, nothing worse than your buddy deltas and your run is bricked with them, even if they roll you back to the prep room or something

[nocturne hedge]

TRUE

[humble halo]

i am at 8 too lol

[nocturne hedge]

See you in 2 months i guess lol

After the reconstructed cache buff i feel like I've wasted my time farming 22 blueprints so far

[rustic bough]

I'd do it with you but you despise geology which breaks my heart

[humble halo]

lmao you should change ign to geology

[untold surge]

For Descent mode would help at NSA station laptop to be added reconstructed & exotic caches for NSA credits.
Glass Cannon & Bloodsucker added as normal talents.
At NSA station laptop Exotic Talent chance increase to be added back like it was in older PTS.
A higher class of weapons (purple, gold, exotic~red)
Ingame expensive slot unlock on Exotic Talents (able to equip 4 ingame) or Offensive/Defensive/Utility (able to equip 7 ingame)
At a higher loop able to upgrade talents over Lv10
Brand or Gear sets able to be added in a special slot like exotic talents (Legendary talent 1 slot wit low chance at each 10 loops ~ for example)

[twilit whale]

with the incoming diluted descent talent pool, I made another crack at loop 40 solo. Only made it to loop 33 😦 I was killing rogues and bosses left and right pre loop 30 but enemies health shot up from loop 31 onward and it felt impossible

[raven lagoon]

I guess I'm kinda of thankful i've only gotten like 4 BPs after like 50+ descent runs. guess it'll be easier in future (someone will complain it's too easy now I'm sure of it)

[dusk niche]

It shouldn't take hundreds of runs to get 29 blueprints and it would've killed the game mode since it and comms are the only reason to play descent. 50% chance is reasonable

Only issue now is talents are diluted so speed running to nemesis is going to be a bit harder, I expect a lot of re rolling

[humble halo]

definitely the one who farmed them all

[pine siren]

next up: Determined

[humble halo]

depends on rng cause i got mg5

[vast garnet]

The talent works on all weapons, tho.

[random pulsar]

My only thought with regicide is that it's really good if you're already getting kills, but there are better talents to help you get kills, and actually getting kills is the thing that gets harder and harder the further you go.

[pine siren]

if you're just doing quick nemesis runs though it should speed stuff up if you can clear an entire spawn wave in one shot

[vast garnet]

possibly. firestarter is still king. one chem at each door and you're done. with regicide, i can now double-oxidize one door, and then quickly kill everything at the other door. still not as fast as firestarter.

[twilit whale]

huh, sadist is in descent pts, that's amp damage like eyeless right?

and on utility which is crazy

[oak drum]

all of the se talents are amplifiers

at least, outside of descent they are, no clue if they function differently inside of it

[twilit whale]

it starts at 20% too which could be 200% amp damage at max

salvage (killing a target has 20% chance to refill mag) is also another utility talent, that's huge for high loops

[nocturne hedge]

whats the upgrade value for salvage?

how high does it go

[twilit whale]

no idea, I only see lv1 on a stream

[fast wing]

20% on tier 1, and then 5% per further tier, ending up at 65% at tier 10

[wide karma]

just watch a streamer testing with it.
rank 1 is at 20%, 5% per rank it seem.
Max at 65%, skill kill can also trigger this perk

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1920403225
By: iKia87

he was doing a skill build (turret + drone) with 0 red core, not bad all the way to floor 21
exotic: Kinetic Momentum (10% for stack, max at 5 'per' skill, so can reach 100% if both actived), Glass Cannon, and plague

[wide karma]

was watching your twitch recording, thank you for sharing it.

[rustic bough]

Yeah I was thinking, maybe with Kinetic Momentum, finally skill builds will be viable? On solo at least

[nocturne hedge]

In sync too

[wide karma]

In Sync at max give you
28% skill dmg when dmg with weapon (56% if both trigger)
23% weapon dmg when dmg with skill (46% if both trigger)

Future Perfect
you still get 1 skill tier each rank and only max to 3 (in open world, sometime is bug and can actually get you to 6 tier from 0, rare)
each rank increase 5 sec on how long the buff last and Overcharge stay actives.
At max rank both are at 60 sec.
Sadly the Overcharge cd stay the same at 60s.
ex: overcharge trigger and stay for 60s, then 60s cd before you can use again.

Future Perfect talent:
Weapon kills grant +1 skill tier for 15 seconds. Stacks up to 3 times.
Weapon kills at tier 6 grant overcharge for 15 seconds.

Overcharge cooldown: 60 seconds.

[humble halo]

nice

they are finally giving good talents

[wide karma]

The down side is have to trade a slot for revive hive with dmg skill.
But I mean when you down/dead, you skill kinda still do dmg before it goes cd or destroy.

[humble halo]

we can have more skill slot right?

[wide karma]

Possibly a 3rd can run full skill build and other 2 have revive hive?

no, doesn't seem like it

[humble halo]

damm

my luck is trash didn't get reconstruction cache in pts run

[wide karma]

When you got a chance to get on PTS again.
Can you check and see NSA station have new passive to unlock?
right now I got too much NSA token and nothing to spend on live server.

[humble halo]

ok 👍

[wide karma]

I really don't know skill build is viable after floor 26, enemy just have way to much health and not sure turret/drone will do enough dmg to become a distraction.
Rogues spawn will trigger more often, so really not sure will do any good dmg and skill might get destroy quickly.
doing great dmg before floor 21.

[humble halo]

maybe regicide m870 with breath free foam will be good

with something along the lines of creeping death

also what about oxi spam with chatter talent with tons of skill dmg

[wide karma]

I really want to test out shotgun with regulus, since if the last shot is a body w/ head. Does it count a headshot?
I don't believe oxi can trigger chatter, since its not a 'weapon'

[humble halo]

yeah

[humble halo]

i wanted too but got lmg diceros and srs

[humble halo]

talking about getting chatter buff in previous rooms

and than spam oxi at like 1s remaining

at tier 6 plus over

oxis are good for spawns and we kind of know the spawns

[wide karma]

true
I wish shield build is viable in descent, but seem like it get destroy way too quick.

[nocturne hedge]

now with liberty's talent it might kinda be ok

im too lazy to test honestly

[humble halo]

yeah maybe with liberty talent and regicide

cause we can stack dmg and pop head to kill and repair

[wide karma]

True, but deeper floor enemies just 1 shot the shield (Bulwark) at max skill tier.

you can have Vanguard talent to have shield be inv. for Xsec I guess

[humble halo]

foam would have beem nice

[wide karma]

ya, that is my go to for descent. Good cc all around.

[humble halo]

yeah foam is the most busted talent in descent

also shock traps can be handy at spawns

if the duration is high

decoy also good takes away agro just put it behind cover

[wide karma]

I am really consider swap Unhinged for other weapon dmg base talent.
Yes, it give you the best DPS, but I am tired of reticle flying when steady hand reset. Specially with shotgun

[humble halo]

never use it

always skip

[bold finch]

Bruh done with nemesis and his tier 100 Oxi which I've never used in descent

[rustic bough]

It takes a split second to see what skill he's using and another split second to decide how to avoid it

[timid mauve]

this usually my cue to pushing

[twin geyser]

I like how they ignore status effects to continue one-tapping you

[humble halo]

yeah they are buit strong ignores shock spams his skills and runs like bolt

[twilit whale]

can't remember which but some skills he can't copy or you have an empty skill slot and then he can pull out some random skill from the pool which in this case it's the oxi. Which is why you need to purposefully choose a skill that's not dangerous like any firefly (which will change into the blind firefly) even if you don't intend to use it

[twin geyser]

but they still equip random stuff, which we never had (turrets / oxi)

[oblique loom]

If in a group in decent can the whole group be transported out of decent vs disbanding everyone. Super annoying. This would mimic other activities in the game.

In decent the NPCs ignore all status effects and continue shooting at you. If I can’t do it then they shouldn’t

Please remove the exit now on the terminal after you select exit. Just exit that’s why I selected it.

[humble halo]

oxis are the worst imo bypass everything and dead in few seconds

[oblique loom]

Can we please reduce the number of deltas in this mode.

[humble halo]

no it's a feature

[untold surge]

Suggesting talents to be added in the future:
Offensive: Unstoppable Force, Wicked, Headhunter, Killer, Boomerang, Determined, Frenzy, Liberty (exotic pistol talent);
Defensive: Unbreakable, Eagle Bearer (exotic assault rifle talent), Catharsis (exotic mask talent), NinjaBike Messenger Kneepads (exotic kneepads talent);
Utility: Flatline, Pumped Up, Outsider, Unwavering, Finisher, Reassigned, Creeping Death, Scorpio (exotic shotgun talent), Eclipse Protocol gearset 4+ Pieces talent
Exotic: Memento (exotic backpack talent), Regulus (exotic pistol talent), Coyote's Mask (exotic mask talent), Striker/Heartbreaker/Hunter's Fury/True Patriot/Umbra Initiative/Negotiator's Dilema 4+ Pieces talent

[humble halo]

regulus is added already

[dusk niche]

It's on the pts but not in the patch notes so not sure if it's intended or not

[twin geyser]

You basically want to never be able to pick good talents for long run 💀

[humble halo]

yeah just remove talent by community voting or make a nsa upgrade increase choice from 4->5 or maybe 6

[bold finch]

So just add every talent 😂 I just want rng to be on my side for what I'm looking for and the more talents there are the more chances I'll get the bad ish

[bold finch]

Oh ty yeah I tend to just use reviver and decoy but many times skills empty

[humble halo]

cant copy revive hive

[bold finch]

Yeah but he seems to have healer hive when I finally have reviver and always a spot I can't take it out

[nocturne hedge]

Wait for him to deploy it and then throw 2 grenades

[bold finch]

I did last night didn't work

[nocturne hedge]

Why?

[bold finch]

But also had a lot of weird bugs that run

Ye after each nade would show the damage sounded and looked like hive was gone then magically reappeared in same spot

Also bought all kits kept paying to make sure they were full and would only go up to 2

[odd ember]

Someone wanna play?

[twilit whale]

again, empty slot or certain skills he can't copy caused that

[twilit whale]

I always see revival -> healing hive so it has to be decoy

[twin geyser]

Which is opposite to "copy of you" claim from the devs, sooo...

[twilit whale]

where did they say that?

[balmy finch]

Yeah nemesis copies your skills except for specific slots that are unable to be copied to which they will be given a skill at random

[mighty tartan]

Confirmed that Nemesis also copies your decoy

Or maybe it was a random coincidence

[timid mauve]

yeah it's on a few occasions when I equipped decoy

[balmy finch]

Nemesis does not copy any pulses and any shields (there may be a few others I cant recall right now)

[wide karma]

^revive hive & healing trap as well

[balmy finch]

I should mention some skills have a set substitution

Reviver is one of those

They'll substitute it for restorer

[pine siren]

Doesn't copy decoy either

[wide karma]

I do see nemesis use decoy

[dusk niche]

Same, it can use decoy

(which is just a hunter decoy)

[pine siren]

huh, that's never happened to me

[balmy finch]

i believe decoy is in the random skill pool

[timid mauve]

I wonder if I holding reconstructed cache from this season, it will give me new blueprint on the next season in case there is more release

[nocturne hedge]

to prevent accidentally opening them you can fill your inventory with 20 caches and then play descent, this way the rec caches you get will go to your mailbox

[humble halo]

they drop outside

[nocturne hedge]

ive had caches go to my MB

[humble halo]

better not to take risk

game crash/stuff happens it is gone

weird mine dropped outside when fulll

[timid mauve]

good advice 👍

[balmy finch]

I doubt

Plus not worth farming them rn

[humble halo]

yeah season giving 50% and farming 3 cache in 1 run is too much though

should be max 1 per clear

[mighty tartan]

New Reconstructed chance is massive

That’s like a 450% increase right

[nocturne hedge]

I hope they add more blueprints

[mighty tartan]

should add every named as blueprints

[rustic bough]

They added 44 more to the current pool in the PTS

Current total blueprints shown on the crafting bench is 414
In the PTS it was 458

[patent gyro]

Anyone wanna do a decent run

[nocturne hedge]

Didn't someone get the demo's named pistol as a blueprint there? Gotta be a bug that causes all the named items to be available

[timid mauve]

it's me, don't think they have plan for those specialization weapon

[rustic bough]

15 out of 17 comms obtained 💪

[humble halo]

Tuesday i forgot to do weekly exotic project rip 3 exo mats🥲

[dusk niche]

Same, feels good

[nocturne hedge]

13/17...

i just noticed reconstructed caches have the same icon as year 5 season 1 caches

[nocturne hedge]

just delta'ed on loop 24 baby lets gooo

[humble halo]

nice

[timid mauve]

4 recon caches with 4 consecutive nemesis run, I wish I had that luck be4 collected all blueprints LOL

[dusk niche]

I wish I had even somewhat of that luck lol, only got two blueprints so far (tbf I just do the one Nemesis run per week lately). Gonna wait for that chance buff

[twin geyser]

388 blueprints only. Not a single rec. cach for 20+ runs already 💀

[balmy finch]

I think that's just bad luck

[twin geyser]

Yeap(

[humble halo]

RIP Try Next Season

[wide karma]

only got 1 blueprint after doing 41 floor run (almost 8 hour), drop rate is really low.

[wide karma]

ya, it only has 12% chance to drop rec. cache from nemesis and 25% (I think) after floor 30.

[nocturne hedge]

49% for finishing 31

[balmy finch]

is that being buffed to 99% after update lol

or no

86?

[nocturne hedge]

no idea

gotta wait for dataminers to do their thing

[humble halo]

should've datamined the pts

[wide karma]

Anyone that play on PTS, did dev add any new talent/skill to the NSA station?
got like 10000 NSA token and nothing to spend on at the moment.
Thanks.

[stiff rain]

no they did not

[nocturne hedge]

Nope

[rustic bough]

I made a tier list

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/456041973636136960/1151800231298613258/DescentExoTalentsTierList.png

[nocturne hedge]

sandman not at D list
0/10 L list

[rustic bough]

Ecksdee

C tier is basically "somewhat useful, used for shits and giggles"

[nocturne hedge]

sandman is useful?

[humble halo]

sometimes can kill vetran on hit

[rustic bough]

don't wanna waste your bullets killing that purple heavy gunner? just slap him in the face

[nocturne hedge]

veterans arent that tough to deal with, sub 30s

[humble halo]

true sons vetran heavy says hello

[nocturne hedge]

over 30s i see a point, but at that stage youre mostly dealing with elites

[humble halo]

should add allow one shitting elites cooldown :30s

[nocturne hedge]

not really imo

[balmy finch]

no

[humble halo]

why not only elites no named enemies

[balmy finch]

one tapping heavies is a nono

[humble halo]

yesyes

maybe add an andraline meter when at near death the meter fills allowing one shotting enemies except name elites cooldown:30s

[balmy finch]

sounds undoable

[humble halo]

fixed it

[rustic bough]

You can one-hit elites. With the right talents

[humble halo]

not with meelee

[rustic bough]

oh you wanna one-hit with melee. yeah not gonna happen

[humble halo]

@rustic bough something like this would be cool

[rustic bough]

can you imagine just how game-breaking it would be, if you were able to one-hit chungas every 30 seconds?

[humble halo]

yeah it will be 4 player with same talent legendary clear would be possible with meele only

they wasted resources on nerfing tots should have wasted the time to make few exotics better

[rustic bough]

which is not how one is supposed to play the game

[humble halo]

but the condition would be near death only so at 0 Armor and only health remaining

[rustic bough]

that can be self-inflicted and self-replicated

[humble halo]

ik

maybe up the cooldown to 3 minutes

stilly pissed off that they took their time to nerf tots

instead of fixing gear/exos

[twin geyser]

Nerfing was always a part of this game

[humble halo]

and it will continue from the looks of it

[dusk niche]

Isn't descent supposed to be "game breaking" in a way

[twin geyser]

It truly is. Delta-03 in combination with crashing is a game-breaking feature of this mode

[cedar topaz]

Just me or do i find the 2+ wave loops boring?

[humble halo]

on solo play i hate those especially when rusher spawns from both sides cause why not

[cedar topaz]

For me when solo I don't even have good talents to defeat them at the spawn or the run far away refusing to exit cover making me go towards them

[humble halo]

that comes after the fact that after each loop faction changes first room rusher double gagged up on you

[dusk niche]

Too bad that never happens to me

[rustic bough]

Nah, single waves feel too short. On medium-high loops each wave lasts for like 10 seconds

[cedar topaz]

That depends on the talents. I don't get bullet hell until 2nd exotic choice so can't spawn kill them

[twin geyser]

In my opinion, 2 waves is a perfect amount. 3 is just a slog, which stretches the time

[nocturne hedge]

is chameleon a good talent for higher loops? solo play

[wide karma]

In my opinion, not that great because you have to hit at specify body part to get the 'buff', I would prefer "breath Free' or "agonizing Bite' for that extra crit or dmg right away.
also the amount of talent you get, the ASD (aim down sight) UI so mass up, you don't know cham's talent is on or not.

[nocturne hedge]

all of that is true but when you have that 90% damage buff active it just feels so good

was thinking of going surgical and critical so i could ditch agonizing bite

[wide karma]

did try few run with just crit base build, IMO the deeper floor enemy just too tanky and end up prefer all weapon dmg base talent + shotgun + steady head + Opportunistic.
Some of the crit talent also require a high rpm weapon (usually Auto base weapon) to get that max buff

for talent that give me crit, I end up pick 'Agonizing Bite', Vindictive, Trauma, and Critical. Since you will have so much NSA money to spend on at deeper floor, I usually buy special ammo if possible.

[rustic bough]

Doesn't Adaptive Instincts also reset when out of combat?

[pine siren]

It refreshes out of combat

[humble halo]

no the state is saved

it gets grayed out when out of combat

[rustic bough]

ooh

[loud hollow]

Agonizing bite also deals 20% amplified damage so it’s almost as strong as glass cannon. Imo bullet hell is trash. Incessant chatter refills half your magazine on kill and boosts rof. Must have if you run a shotgun like the 870 or an LMG. You can 1-2 shot everything with the shotty and never dip below half a mag on the m60/m249 and never have to reload or buy ammo. Even on loops 30+.
By loop 35 you should have most of your talents at tier 10 so max out the crits then keep stacking weapon dmg core.
Obliterate will max stack on a single enemy with the lmg and deals more damage than adaptive instincts. The reload speed is pointless when you aren’t reloading and crit chance is useless with max surgical.

[twin geyser]

Is there an updated spreadsheet with the newly added talents to Descent?

[jolly cave]

@fervent remnant You're looking for #lfg-pc, gl Agent

[rustic bough]

I find it extremely boring with shotgun playstyles. pop pop pop, then spend the next 3 million years reloading.

[humble halo]

with pummel its not that bad at low levels

[languid idol]

use a magazine shotgun then

[rustic bough]

we don't have pummel yet

[humble halo]

yeah i forgot i played with it in pts

[balmy finch]

No pummel then just incessant chatter

[humble halo]

chatter

[twin geyser]

Chatter + extended mag + lucky shot. Having 20+ bullets in super 90 feels good

[rustic bough]

Yup

[coral fox]

is there a Tier ranking for each Red/Blue/Yellow talents for Descent ?

[timid mauve]

@coral fox the descent talent tab including all info for current season

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTJEX5DerCvOj3a_m36TRy1gPBAUvrduOIdmXI9j1Y0MpQk1wIXaZ9KOcPa7HzXzp_N5qGmjDj6yEfL/pubhtml#

[coral fox]

Thank you muchly

[wise granite]

they added new talents?

[twin geyser]

on PTS

[wise granite]

oh

which talents were added?

[humble halo]

regicide pummel eyeless and many more

[wise granite]

Does that many more include Unbreakable or Intimidate?

[humble halo]

i don't remember all tbh there were many

[wise granite]

A

[timid mauve]

yeah intimidate is on next season

[rustic bough]

There's intimidate but not unbreakable

[wise granite]

I hope they do like they did for clutch and just add pre nerf intimidate

[balmy finch]

Wdym like for clutch lol

[wise granite]

Clutch basically ticks for every crit, regardless of armor amount

[balmy finch]

That's a bug

Lol

[wise granite]

Bug or not, it is still hella handy

[balmy finch]

The cooldown doesn't work that's not intended

It's not intended

[humble halo]

fix incoming in the next patch got it 👍 thnx for the info

[balmy finch]

Lol

[wise granite]

Either way, as long as we get new stuff for Descent im happy

[humble halo]

also 50% reconstruction cache chance

[wise granite]

I saw it. Is that like...a base increase or what?

[humble halo]

yup increased from 12 -> 50 in pts

people got 2 or 3 caches in 1 run

[wise granite]

Holy jesus

[wide karma]

but still need to get to 31 floor first.
From there each floor have 50% chance to drop the cache

[humble halo]

so if going from 31 to 40 each floor has 50% chance meaning with luck you can get 10 reconstructed caches?

[wide karma]

ya, pray for the RNG god

[humble halo]

reaching that high is a challenge itself

[wide karma]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTJEX5DerCvOj3a_m36TRy1gPBAUvrduOIdmXI9j1Y0MpQk1wIXaZ9KOcPa7HzXzp_N5qGmjDj6yEfL/pubhtml#
you only get Recon. cache from nemesis (12%) and floor after 31 (currently is 12% in public server, 50% in PTS)

[humble halo]

need to sacrifice stuff to lootcifer

[wise granite]

Yeah but hey. Thats infinitely better than what currently is the chance

[timid mauve]

yes it better but I don't think going L30+ is better than nemesis run in terms of recon cache

[humble halo]

you can run like 50 mins nemisis 6-7 times for the same amount it takes to reach lvl 30+

[dusk niche]

16/17 comms done, one more to go

[stiff brook]

Does the comms reset with the start of the next season ?

[dusk niche]

We don't know yet if it will

[nocturne hedge]

dont think thats true for current patch, you only have a 49% chance for loop 31 and thats it, no more caches after that

[rustic bough]

I'd rather do 1 x 7 hr than 7 x 1 hr. But that's just me. I hate the repetitive grind. Loop 30 runs are only a weekly thing

[humble halo]

but i can do 1 run each day

[rustic bough]

So can i

But if I have to do one run after another on the same day, I'd rather not

[humble halo]

yup

also getting 7 hr schedule out of a day is difficult even on Sunday

[wise granite]

@nova comet this person right here

[balmy finch]

Go to PlayStation LFG not here

[nocturne hedge]

havent gotten any rec caches in forever

like 8+ runs

[timid mauve]

I still remember the longest interval,40 run💀

maybe wait until next season buff

[twin geyser]

I just hope there are no new armpatches for loop 40 💀

[humble halo]

💀

[humble halo]

i gave up on them after reaching loop 12 too much time required and someone always manages to distrib you

[nocturne hedge]

i hope they either remove the one we have now or just grant it to everyone

[twin geyser]

Why should they remove? I got them and I'd be disappointed, if the reward was taken away

[nocturne hedge]

not they first time theyve done that, plenty of commendations were removed shortly after launch of the game

[twin geyser]

Two or three, if I remember correctly

[jolly cave]

It's purely cosmetic, it's really not a big deal if they're hard to get.

it's like the div1 Jacket that looks a bit like cardboard in div2. No one's complaining about not having that.

[twin geyser]

Still sad to see the shield rewards gone from div1 (((

[jolly cave]

It's the one thing I've never seen people actively request to come back, even the emotes get more people asking for them.

I vote for more cosmetics getting added to Descent, but only ones that make you look a bit like The Grinch.

[nocturne hedge]

if it takes an hour tops to get it done sure

i dont have the most stable connection out there, all it takes is one secondof lag to get a delta and lose everything

[twin geyser]

checkpoint system

[nocturne hedge]

bUt ItS RogUE LiTE

[dusk niche]

If they can figure what to do with co op a checkpoint system should be easy

[timid mauve]

modification of coding which also risking the game mode corrupted like countdown 💀

[balmy finch]

Finally someone with sense

[humble halo]

same reason with dlss fsr or xess no need to have additional problemz

more features = even more problems

[nocturne hedge]

surely they cant be that incompetent

[balmy finch]

Thats.... how literally all coding works

You've never coded have you xD

[nocturne hedge]

nope

[balmy finch]

It shows

Code is super strict with everything you do and is super fussy when you do things

So basically the longer the code gets the more complex the errors can be

[nocturne hedge]

its literally their job tho?

[balmy finch]

One variable being referenced somewhere completely different will error for fuck all knows

[balmy finch]

Devs have to deal with the code screwing up not the other way around

No matter how good you are at developing something it will break for the sake of pissing off the devs

You add a line of code and line 1757 breaks for no fucking reason

Then you have to spend 20 hours trying to figure out wtf just happened

Then once you fix that it causes like 2591 to break

Then you fix that and 300 lines stop working

[nocturne hedge]

i know that much about coding, but all im saying is that theyre supposed to be good at their jobs and stuff

[balmy finch]

Who said they aren't

[nocturne hedge]

plenty of bugs suggest otherwise

[balmy finch]

They are dealing with complex code and an awful ass enginr

[balmy finch]

Longer the code, harder the bugs to patch & more to patch

And it's not as simple as flipping a variable

You have to patch up to hundreds (possibly thousands) of lines

It's not easy lmao

No line: code works great
New line: nothing works
Remove line: nothing works

[jolly cave]

Unless this is a weird strategy in Descent, let's move along.

[balmy finch]

I call it the "don't harass the devs trying to do something you think you know about and don't"

[jolly cave]

I very much agree, too many arm-chair devs, but let's keep it relevant. #unofficial-troubleshooting would be pretty much perfect, since all that place is mostly used for is verifying files and reinstalling.

[balmy finch]

Brb removing the arms from the chairs

[jolly cave]

Kids these days and their lack of hyphens. I still use you, weird little punctuation line.

[nocturne hedge]

all im saying is that i would like to see a descent checkpoint, without breaking other stuff in the code (optional)

i really dont think thats harrasment but i apolegize if it is

[balmy finch]

Which is very difficult to fairly do

[dusk niche]

What's obvious regardless of code implementation is 7 hour descent runs are not viable for the vast majority of players

[jolly cave]

Isn't the whole idea of Descent the rogue-like formula, you know, die and restart?
Wouldn't check-points kind of kill that?

[balmy finch]

nobody said you had to do it

[dusk niche]

No, it's a checkpoint system so you can leave, for example at the start of the loop you get a checkpoint and once you open a door you lose it

[balmy finch]

the problem is what happens when someone drops group

and rejoins

or a random user joins instead

with no talents at loop 40

i think they should just remove the afk timer while in descent

[nocturne hedge]

afk timer isnt the only problem here

[dusk niche]

I just want to enjoy descent it can be fun with all the talents

[balmy finch]

well the crashes are kind of a given

[nocturne hedge]

survival from div1 had reconnect feature, i dont see why this shouldnt

if i get killed thats my own skill issue, if a run died because of a crash or delta its not really my fault

[balmy finch]

we need a hc timer then

[dusk niche]

Maybe tune down the higher loops so it's quicker to reach

[balmy finch]

i think the whole point is that you shouldnt have to get that high (you dont)

[dusk niche]

If it is, fair enough it's resistance 2.0

[humble halo]

resistance is way more fun

my max is 37 iirc

and it took 3 hrs or maybe 4

[nocturne hedge]

then remove the loop 40 arm patch?

[balmy finch]

i forgot that was a necessity to play the game

[nocturne hedge]

if theres gonna be a reward, there has to be a fair way of getting it

[balmy finch]

500 summit keys patch

[nocturne hedge]

300

[balmy finch]

same thing

[nocturne hedge]

and i agree that needs to lowerd as well

[balmy finch]

a lot of the patches require group work and i dont have friends to do them with

which is really unfortunate

[nocturne hedge]

i can help if you need teammates

[balmy finch]

its the group of 4 ones

[nocturne hedge]

loop 40 is just unfair

[balmy finch]

to be fair its not a commendation

[dusk niche]

I think it's obvious something needs to change if the devs want people to reach high loops. If they don't and it's just "go to Nemesis and not our problem after that" yeah in that case no changes needed. But I don't think things staying as is will make the mode popular

[timid mauve]

I have no problem if the game mode stay the way, but wish there's attractive reward so going higher loop become rational, a sick looking helmet or descent exclusive exotic may worthy invest my time 😋

[humble halo]

maybe 10 exo mats for per level for each 5 level above 20

the least they can do is make a nsa store

[ashen fable]

I just got my ass handed to me by nemesis

[humble halo]

happens on first try

[ashen fable]

I've defeated nemesis once before but this time I got slammed

Got stuck on a damn ledge and got shot in the back.

[balmy finch]

hell no on the exotic part

if people had some purpose to hit higher loops then there would be a significantly larger amount of complaining about it

[humble halo]

bruh than no one is going to try if the reward aren't lucrative

[balmy finch]

Blueprints are good enough

[humble halo]

they are gonna run out of it soon

also it doesn't motivate to go higher floors one nemisis run 4-5 time will yield better results

[balmy finch]

You either motivate nobody to do it or you get people going to the thousands, there's no really an in-between

[humble halo]

i think dev would prefer going the thousand route

[dusk niche]

The purpose is the arm patch, fomo is real. But it's not clear what the devs want with descent adding new talents and almost everyone bailing at nemesis cause they got exo, audio log and (next season) a good chance at a new BP. And again it's a shame no save point because the talents get really interesting and different from the main game but by that point you're tired and just want to leave 😔

[twin geyser]

Someone was asking about how checkpoints should work, if you reach it with friends. Simple decision:

• If you continue together (after a period of time) - you get the same talents, which you had before.
• If you continue solo - you and your mate separately, of course, will get the same talents BUT you're unable to rejoin each other as soon as you open the door and started the loop. No random connections possible

[dusk niche]

And if you decide to bring someone else than the player(s) you got the checkpoint?

[rustic bough]

You what, anyone can cruise their way to loop 20. Make it loop 30

[rustic bough]

I got the tier 1 armpatch not because of FOMO, I got it because I wanted to have some sense of superiority over those who didn't make it. But it didn't feel that way. My routine/strategy from loop 31-40 was largely similar. At that point it was more about enduring the fatigue after playing for more than 5 hours straight.

Was it worth it? Only as a one-time experience

[bold finch]

Bruh please no checkpoint in descent it ruins the whole purpose of the mode

[stiff rain]

you want anyone who got to loop 40 to actually spend 8 hours straight instead of 2 hours over 4 days?

checkpoints allow you to also spend the same effort and have a life too

[loud hollow]

You really think that? The raid exotics were at one point the most powerful in the game and autistic loners that refused to look for a group and dz goons all cried about it. Rewards aren’t going to make high loops popular especially when 85%+ of the community aren’t even skilled enough to make it in the first place. Once you get past loop 25 skills except cc types are useless and after loop 31 armor is useless. So no tank or skill build is viable at that point and most players don’t know how to run straight DPS builds especially locked in a room with enemies that can one shot you even with 420% armor. No rewards will bridge that skill gap. It will just breed more crybabies upset because they suck and can’t get the rewards just like with what happened with the raids lol.

[humble halo]

i mean the least they can do is open nsa vendor exchange like cd selling dz exclusive

[nocturne hedge]

we can already get dz exclusive blueprints

but not all of them though

[rustic bough]

Yes 😊 #equality #fairness #inclusivity

[stiff rain]

you should also get paid getting to loop 40 then sir

cuz my job also is 8 hours straight

[rustic bough]

Wow

I mean, no one does loop 40 runs on the daily

Assuming one just wants the tier 1 armpatch, one has to do it only once

[nocturne hedge]

getting there is the problem

not because of the skill issue, or haveing time/mental capacity, but because of the deltas and crashes

[humble halo]

yeah totally agree there

[dusk niche]

Doesn't mean it isn't silly, 8 hours straight to get a patch doesn't seem reasonable. It's not a skill issue

[rustic bough]

oh, you thought the hardest armpatch can be obtained within an arm's reach? welcome to online games.

[dusk niche]

Hardest? Nah summit crate or DH hardcore say hi

I'm all in favor of only solo players getting checkpoints lol

[humble halo]

death = back 2 1 but give us checkpoint every 10 lvls

[nocturne hedge]

10 levels is still gives plenty of room for a delta.
also the time difference between loops 1 and 10 is much lower than 10 to 20

the player should be able to spend NSA tokens for checkpoints where ever they like

[rustic bough]

How about buy checkpoints instead of revive token

[humble halo]

but should be some sort of restrictions otherwise people are gonna spam

[rustic bough]

Checkpoint activates upon purchase

[humble halo]

like a vendor selling it every 2-3 loop

only one per run

[rustic bough]

Yeah once per run

And the cost increases the further you go

[nocturne hedge]

like a 30 minute cooldown on a checkpoint purchase maybe

[hidden idol]

fixed amount of time wouldn't be a good idea, the player could just wait out on a empty room (or corridors), and even if the counter only went down during the waves, you could leave one last enemy alive at low hp

Cooldown could work if it was, similar to what the guy said above, loop based

[nocturne hedge]

my idea would be every 5 loops until loop 30, and then every 3 loops

[balmy finch]

i think just remove the afk timer

[nocturne hedge]

doesnt fix the delta issues

[balmy finch]

i dont delta

[nocturne hedge]

good for you, just because you dont doesnt mean the issue doesnt exist...

[balmy finch]

i know

i think its related to having an nvidia gpu

because that seems to be consistent amongst majority of crashes

[jolly cave]

Just on descent or across the game?

[nocturne hedge]

i have more deltas playing descent than i have playing any other thing in this game, idk if its just being unlucky or something's wrong with descent servers

[balmy finch]

total

[dusk niche]

Long runs or just a Nemesis run?

[balmy finch]

countdown, summit, descent, open world, raids (rarely)

im not saying all crashes are like this, but quite a huge majority of them are. that would also help explain why im literally having like one a month at most

[jolly cave]

I had plenty back before the apparent fixes were put in place, and that was using an nvidia GPU. 2080s, at that point IIRC.

[balmy finch]

i used an rx590 at launch and upgraded to a 6700xt a year and a half ago (i think, i forget lol) and have never had huge crash issues like people claim to have

ive had two descent crashes ever, and the rest have been countdown

then a few others here and there, but its so inconsistent its not fair to call it a bug

[jolly cave]

IIRC at the time of launch I was using a similar card, then swapped it out probably December 2019. for the 2080s.
most of my crashes were just in the LZ, not even in an activity, just kinda being "around".

[balmy finch]

there were a lot of crashes during Y1 to be fair lol

even i wasnt immune to those

but the crashing is so commonplace it would be understandable to find a common symptom for it

and based on what ive collected its primarily nvidia gpus

[jolly cave]

Oh I had basically none during y1, mine didn't start hitting until into the re-runs post-WONY.

[balmy finch]

Lol

How much pre-wony playtime did you have

[humble halo]

perks of being a dev

[jolly cave]

Ahem.
a year or so, I can't remember the exact time difference between launch and wony's release.

[pine siren]

I'm running a Nvidia gpu (RTX 3070) and very rarely crash, so I think it's more complicated than just that. I get the impression that Nvidia cards generally are far more popular amongst gamers at the moment so naturally the majority of those with crashing issues are likely to be using them (but also the majority of those without crashing issues)

[balmy finch]

nowadays its becoming more mixed

nvidia is losing competitive advantage, the only real advantage the new gpus have are gimmicky and niche

[twilit whale]

delta is an internet connection problem, there's nothing to be "fixed"

[balmy finch]

lol no

[bold finch]

I just think it would be abused if there was some sort of checkpoint descent runs would be never ending

[stiff rain]

checkpoints in most people's minds are like this: if you die, you go back to loop 1. that simple

if you don't die, some or almost all of your progress is retained

if people were capable of "never-ending descent runs", they were already capable of that without checkpoints

checkpoints do not enable that to happen

[balmy finch]

people would use it to cheese wipes

[stiff rain]

that's an implementation detail that they have to work out, but the idea of checkpoints is that

[balmy finch]

leave group cheese wipe keep checkpoint restart

[dusk niche]

Just give solo players a checkpoint at the start of a loop post nemesis, leave or lose it

[balmy finch]

wouldnt do much at all

[dusk niche]

How so?

This is for solo players only since co-op is too much of a mess for it to be fair

[maiden notch]

how do i un-skill issue myself from getting stuck in loop 1 💀

[twilit whale]

have good internet and you won't delta, it's literally that simple

[humble halo]

bruh what about crashes i have a collection of error code mike delta bravo alpha

[loud hollow]

Step 1: Get gud
Step 2: shoot sheit
Step 3: don’t die
Step 4: repeat steps 1-3 as needed

[nocturne hedge]

Its server issues bruh. You can have perfect connection and still delta cause game feels like it

[twilit whale]

crash is the fault of the game, that I agree with. But delta specifically is a network disconnect error, i.e. you lost connection to the server.

[twilit whale]

then explain people who don't delta

[nocturne hedge]

Explain how people delta with perfect connection

[twilit whale]

simple, you have a bad connection; that's the definition of delta, you lost connection to the server, you can't change the nature of the error

[loud hollow]

What he’s saying is the connection can fail on either end.

[nocturne hedge]

Alright, lets say i have a bad connection. Obviously i would improve it if i could.
Whats your point now? I should just go fuck myself then?

[twilit whale]

It is what it is. There might be an update to fix other problems but not that one.

[nocturne hedge]

all im saying is that a checkpoint can help with that

[twilit whale]

that I can agree with

[nocturne hedge]

basically there are 3 reasons people cant get the loop 40 arm patch:

1. skill issue. we just suck at the game.
2. Life. we got things to do outside of this game cant cant afford 5 to 8 hours in one session
3. delta/crashes. even if we had the time and skill, the game can just say no.

a checkpoint system helps with 2 of them. if you die you gotta start at loop 1 no questions about that

[balmy finch]

Complete lie

Game updates don't usually change where people live

[jolly cave]

One did for Warframe once, it reset me to the EU game zone.

for a few hours I lived where the UK left.

[chrome lantern]

What is the concern here? If players want to stay is descent and abuse or spam the checkpoint issue, how does that benefit them? A couple of simulation caches or field proficency caches? Wow, imagine all of the rainbow loot you will receive. How would the descent checkpoints be any different than summit? It is strange to see some of the comments. Also, who in their right mind would rather spam descent over just doing control points? In the open world you can level up faster, loot for more gear and have your already way better gear. The majority of descent players only want the blueprints. Everything else obtained in game is way easier outside of the boring, half asleep descent content

[balmy finch]

XP in dark zone

[nocturne hedge]

?

[chrome lantern]

Do what now? You get DZ XP from Descent?

[balmy finch]

No XP which can affect dark zone

[nocturne hedge]

I still dont know what you're talking about

[rustic bough]

Did someone say Warframe? Ooga booga

[balmy finch]

Descent glitch XP broken dark zone levels

[errant tendon]

is it me or decent gives u the worst skills at the beginning for a skill build? lol

[nocturne hedge]

Those players were rolled back, im talking playing descent legit

[balmy finch]

You shouldn't try to skill build descent anyways

[errant tendon]

o i know how shit it is, but im trying to have fun lol, when i do serious, I go a sniper route or just blast everyone with a shotgun/sub

we should do decent together eevee, use nothing but pistols and skills lol

[balmy finch]

No

[balmy finch]

My point is how XP gained via descent can impact pvp

[nocturne hedge]

Except when playing legit, descent xp sucks. You should be more worries about something like public executions

[humble halo]

i love how they fooled everyone with maths of xp increase

[stiff rain]

firestarter is so good in descent tbh

[humble halo]

also oxis with right setup

[nocturne hedge]

Specially with lucky shot lol. I once had 100+ in my launcher

[mighty tartan]

Do they plan to keep expanding Descent content with each Season?

[balmy finch]

No

[nocturne hedge]

we dont know for sure

[balmy finch]

one left 👀

[nocturne hedge]

can you confirm if gift is available or not? heard mixed things

[balmy finch]

i can confirm its not

also i meant on the comms lol

[stiff brook]

Is the number of comms you can get each week capped ?

[nocturne hedge]

yup, just one

[errant tendon]

After work, I am determined to beat nemesis with a skill build lol

[nocturne hedge]

go a step further, no perks, no stat upgrades, just the starting pistol

[errant tendon]

Lmao skip every perk 😂

[nocturne hedge]

for some reason you can skip stat upgrades too

[balmy finch]

Lol

[errant tendon]

Still gotta join me, only skills 😂

[balmy finch]

Sorry I'm sane

Well to an extent

If you wanna do 10d iron horse lmk

[errant tendon]

Ok lol

[stiff brook]

@nocturne hedge That's weird, I thought you could get comms each time you killed the nemesis if you were behind? That's not the case anymore?

[humble halo]

I'n sane

[balmy finch]

If you wanna join my 10d ih feel free

[humble halo]

10d?

[nocturne hedge]

I dont think thats ever been the case, im two weeks behind on comms and couldn't get any after i got my first in a week

[balmy finch]

Directive

[humble halo]

ok i forgot the mechanic so i am definitely not sane for that

[balmy finch]

:3

[humble halo]

basically hh ih

[balmy finch]

Always been one a week

[stiff brook]

ok thx for answering

[rotund mountain]

nothing high on loops just a weekly comm

[balmy finch]

go to lfg

[rustic bough]

17/17 comms 💪

[undone bolt]

what dramatic revelations have we been gifted with in these final hours

[twin geyser]

same stuff. Now waiting for Y5S2...

[timid mauve]

obviously last 3 is scraping the barrel, can't compare to the original 14

[sand matrix]

Whats in the new comm?

[balmy finch]

lots of dialogue

[nocturne hedge]

Do we know if theres gonna be more comms in the future, or the current comms will stay unlockable in next seasons?
Hated how previous seasons' comms are not accessible anymore

[tiny dagger]

Give us Checkpoints ty

[nocturne hedge]

I mean...yeah?

[balmy finch]

They will still be unlockable

[fossil geyser]

someone speak spanish?

[balmy finch]

This is an English speaking server

[tender sedge]

anyone wanna run descent ?

[final granite]

Wat is descent

I haven’t tried it yet

[rustic bough]

A roguelite-inspired game mode where everyone starts with a pistol and gain weapons, skills and talents as they progress through. Dying resets progress.

[final granite]

Oh thx

[humble halo]

bruh did you have it copy pasted somewhere

[rustic bough]

Uh no?

[humble halo]

okk

[rustic bough]

what's the exotic talent chance per loop again?

nvm

[nocturne hedge]

Exotic chance changes based on current loop:

1 100%
2-3 5%
4-6 25%
7-9 35%
9+ 40%

[twin geyser]

2-3 loop is just cursed 💀

[final granite]

I would be down to try descent but I’d rather do it with other people

[pine siren]

Group scaling in descent is brutal, solo or duo is easiest

[nocturne hedge]

Ive had times where ive gotten an exotic in loop 2, or 3. But never both loops in a row

[shy belfry]

whats the point of this game mode?? besides being something unique, does it drop unique gear

[balmy finch]

it gives legacy season blueprints and exclusive blueprints

[shy belfry]

wait for real??

[balmy finch]

yes

also has a special set of comms

[humble halo]

bruh everything is cursed i got 3 exo in 3 loops 1-2-3 first time since i played descent

[bold finch]

Does anyone know if these comms will still be obtainable after this season

[balmy finch]

Should be

[bold finch]

Ty

[wide karma]

at the current version the rate for reconstructed cache (that contain exclusive blueprint) are:
12% chance for nemesis
49% after complete each floor after floor 31

[humble halo]

farming for that is insane depending on your luck have gotten only 2 so far

[wide karma]

ya, only got 1 out of 14 floors after 31

[teal mesa]

This is disastrous. 3 hours of playing to get a blueprint?

[timid mauve]

30min, if RNG blessing

[humble halo]

Lootcifer needs to be happy

[timid mauve]

@humble halo somehow he gets along well with me, at least in this game mode🫂

[jolly cave]

@brazen eagle To LFG for Descent, please stick to the LFG channels.
In your case, #lfg-playstation

[rustic bough]

More like 5-6 hours to have a less than half of a chance. But if you do get to loop 30 in 3 hours, let me know of your strats cuz that's blazing quick

[stiff rain]

when players are trying to get sub-1 hour in zoo and tidal we're trying to sub-3 hour loop 30 💀

[timid mauve]

maybe he saying nemesis run, 5 games pretty legit to me

[rustic bough]

probably achievable with 2-man Regicide + Incessant Chatter

[humble halo]

for regicide viability need either a high base dmg sniper diceros/magnum

[stiff rain]

he plays with me, he knows

[rustic bough]

literally

[humble halo]

nice

[humble halo]

btw wish they add headhunter

[stiff rain]

same tbh

[rustic bough]

same x3

[humble halo]

headhunter regicide breadth free and pummel

[rustic bough]

headhunter's probably gonna be an exotic talent

[humble halo]

yeah that is why i only picked 2 exo

but i think the cap need raising

in descent

[twin geyser]

6 exo talents is a must for long runs

[rustic bough]

been having shit luck with runs lately

like getting to Nemesis with only 1 exo talent

[humble halo]

me too died 2 times at nemisis

[rustic bough]

and it's not Plague

[humble halo]

also gc is amazing /s

i went to room shock and died

[rustic bough]

it is, though, last run I picked GC in a 3-man group and beat Nemesis

[humble halo]

i didn't even get to start

sometimes i like it sometimes i hate it

[twin geyser]

Why picking plague for nemesis when you can pick agonizing bite and obliterate poor soul in 5 sec

[humble halo]

you have to get that first and you never get what you want

[twin geyser]

Painful, but true. If I don't get the bite I hope for Breathe Free or Bullet Hell (if I do to-Nemesis run)

[humble halo]

i got chatter today with trauma and he somehow had healer hive i waited for him

just so i can kill him without healer hive fucking the run

[twin geyser]

I'm waiting for tomorrow's stream - just to be sure that ANB tech will persist as dead currency with no new permanent upgrades(

[humble halo]

also i want to see whether ouroboros gets the insane rpm in live game

[rustic bough]

Because I always plan to go on a long run

[bold finch]

Can't wait to have better chances of getting blueprints got 2 so far

[rustic bough]

UH..... loop 17 went like this
Rogues > Boss room > Rogues > Boss Room

wtf is going on

[rustic bough]

Got to loop 41 again, this time it took an hour less than my first run

also they just reaffirmed their decision to not add checkpoints. get rekt, amateurs! 🤪

[humble halo]

lol

at least they made the rewards somewhat tempting

[pine siren]

'we don't really care about people going further than nemesis, so they're on their own'

[jolly cave]

Adding checkpoints to a mode specifically about dying and restarting....doesn't exactly seem like the highest priority.

[upper smelt]

I don't think anyone is asking for summit type checkpoints, just a way to log out and be able to come back. The current system is just encouraging unhealthy play sessions to get far into descent. All I want is a way to save and come back, and it's only reset on death.

[jolly cave]

Okay I can get more into that idea, although some were actually asking for tiered checkpoints, like every 5 or 10 floors. Which I feel is a bit much.

[upper smelt]

All those comments have been the same thing I'm talking about... Those asking for a save every 5-10 floors are asking for less than I'm asking for, since I think you should be able to log out (or crash, or bug) at any level and just be started at your current level

[jolly cave]

A specific 5-10 floor checkpoint would have the same effect as Summit farming where you go and die and restart. I can foresee someone reaching a specific floor and then farming it for a week straight, assuming it resets weekly.
Being able to re-log and keep going is not really that similar.

[upper smelt]

Omg... We've literally had this same conversation so many times on this channel. Are you trying to ignore this?

[humble halo]

go raucey go show the bot some stats he isn't trained properly

[jolly cave]

No idea what you mean, but it's stressing you out so let's just say you're right and dw about it.
I'm not that interested anyway.

[upper smelt]

Me and you, as well as many others have had this exact interaction way too many times for you to not get this.

"I want a checkpoint system where I could logout/crash/reset for bugs"

"But checkpoints on death defeats the point"

"I'm not asking for checkpoints on death, I want a checkpoint system where I could logout/crash/reset for bugs"

"But checkpoints on death defeats the point"

🤦‍♂️

[balmy finch]

It would be abused

[humble halo]

only one per run

[balmy finch]

Then people would argue its useless

[humble halo]

it is not that useless

[balmy finch]

One checkpoint is yes

[humble halo]

no

[balmy finch]

The ability to crash only once

[upper smelt]

I don't see why there needs to be limitations, just let people logout when they want. They already have the HC system where it takes time to logout, and you can be killed while logging out if your trying to abuse it like that.

[humble halo]

thnx just started hc time to abuse it

[balmy finch]

People will leave and join on other characters or invite new people to keep the run alive

[humble halo]

maybe make it sharable like loot only shared with players in same session

[balmy finch]

What

[humble halo]

i said make the checkpoint shareable like loot

[balmy finch]

That makes little sense

[upper smelt]

There's plenty of ways you could set up groups. Like the leader of the session is the only one you could restart. If they logged out the leader would pass, and there would only be 1 active "session"

It doesn't have to be that idea, but there are options

[balmy finch]

can you reword that pls

[upper smelt]

Basically if you start in a group there's only 1 checkpoint that's tied to the leader of the group. If everyone logs out the checkpoint could be saved for the last person who was logged in

It would prevent you from logging someone in, creating a checkpoint, then logging them out to preserve it

[balmy finch]

but cant you just invite other people that werent part of the initial group

[twin geyser]

Why overcomplicating?
If you log out solo - you can't invite anybody and you continue solo. You die - you lose checkpoint.
If you log out as a leader - you can invite only the character you have been in a group with when you logged out. OR you start from scratch.
If you log out not being leader - you can start from scratch OR wait for invite from the leader.
In any of these options (except solo) - you can't invite anyone who wasn't a part of your previous run. The character must be the same (you can't switch between your agents)

[balmy finch]

thats easier said than done

would require restructuring the mode which they mentioned

[timid mauve]

they mentioned reschedule duration in the future, imo lesser room in higher loop is acceptable

[rustic bough]

They said they will work on reducing the decision time

That's the main reason why it takes so long. From the moment you complete a room to running to the terminal to pick your talent, to running out of the room, to running to the end of the hallway, to wait for teammates who are slowpokes, and finally wait for the 10 second timer. This can take up to 1 minute per room clear. And there's 5 rooms so say 5 mins per loop. For 30 loops, that's 2.5 hours

Imo it should tp everyone into the next room once an agent enters the room

[twin geyser]

I can't agree more.
It's running simulator instead of training one.
Just make talent choosing screen appear straight after the fight ends and right after that the room pick screen after which you're teleported to the above-mentioned room

[humble halo]

i don't like loading screen cause sometimes i get delta for no reason while loading

[twin geyser]

Don't worry, you can get Delta not only during loading 🙂👍

[humble halo]

yeah the more the better🙂

[twin geyser]

Will all these increased chances make you play descent more offen? I just can't stand seeing unfinished amount of blueprints

[rustic bough]

for sure

there's more incentives to get to loop 30 more often now

[humble halo]

yeah

maybe from 1 run to 2-3 in a week

[twin geyser]

In the best case - it's 6 recon. caches for reaching loop 30

[rustic bough]

Yes

I also usually try to do a long run on all 4 characters each per week

So theoretically I can get 24 reconstructed caches per week

[twin geyser]

Do you sleep? 👀

[rustic bough]

Loop 30 is like 5 hours....

4 days of 5 hours

[twin geyser]

tiring enough, let's be honest

[rustic bough]

Lol I guess I'm different

[humble halo]

too much free time

[twin geyser]

20 hours of the same rooms. Mental torture

[rustic bough]

Yesterday I did a loop 25 in the morning then a loop 40 at night

Yeah this is why I don't do descent runs back2back

[lofty blaze]

What even is the point of farming Descent compared to Countdown or Summit

I haven't played since year 2 lol

[twin geyser]

Blueprints

[rustic bough]

Reconstructed caches, exotic caches, weekly Descent comms

[lofty blaze]

Ahh alright

I wasn't sure if there was like an exclusive exotic or something and that's why people are going so no life on it

[humble halo]

exotic caches gonna be the longtime reward cause reconstruction gonna run out soon with that rate

[twin geyser]

depends on the amount of blueprints being added to the descent pool...

[rustic bough]

They added an additional 23 blueprints

From what I saw on the crafting bench in the PTS

[twin geyser]

💀

[timid mauve]

nice, I only need to farm 5 more caches

[humble halo]

they might have added more named items

[rustic bough]

yeah I don't doubt that

[twin geyser]

Audio for Descent is stretched to 29 now XDDDDD

[timid mauve]

ferocious calm, cuelebre, harmony, anarchists cookbook, motherly love (wtf?), king breaker, Firestarter, the gift, survivalist D50, pristine example, Diceros Special, railsplitter, nightwatcher, maxim 9, contractor gloves, claws out, forge, emperor's guard, the grudge, closer, zero's F, the setup, the apartment, Rock n' Roll, swap chain, hollow man, tabula rasa, Virginian

not all but part of new blueprints

fox prayer blueprint is bugged which missing from the craft table

[humble halo]

xdd i am. at like 11 or 12

[humble halo]

motherly love times 2

[nocturne hedge]

Are there new arm patches?

[pine siren]

They have blueprints for the spec pistols? Why?

[balmy finch]

sounds like it didnt intend to be added

[warm stirrup]

its only fixed to the incrusion

[mighty tartan]

Wrong channel oops

[wise granite]

efficient is my new favorite talent

i love efficient

all my homies love efficient

[random pulsar]

just did a nemesis kill and didn't get a new one for that, someone will need to confirm loop 10+

[wise granite]

Just went past loop 10 so yeah, there are

[rustic bough]

What patch did you get?

[wise granite]

Puppeteers tier 4

So yeah, it is seasonal

[rustic bough]

Oh shit

Very nice

[wise granite]

Which, honestly, I dont dislike

If only I could have a damned checkpoint

[rustic bough]

Same tbh

More incentives to do loop 40 again

[wise granite]

Plus, they increased reconstruct cache chances

And added new talents

But it still needs stuff

[rustic bough]

Don't get anything else past loop 31 though

Which is uhhhh

[wise granite]

Actually....you do. Extra collectibles every 10 loops....And a guaranteed reconstructed cache

[rustic bough]

Oh?

[twin geyser]

Collectibles, you mean audios?

[rustic bough]

most likely

[wide karma]

@rustic bough try descent with any new build yet?

[rustic bough]

Nope

I've got Rifleman to replace Concussion though

[wide karma]

ya, its hard to see "Rifleman" is actives or not, since it doesn't have the square UI under skills

I replace with Unhinged, so sight doesn't fly up

try with turret/drone build, cannot really fully use it after nemesis wave.
have to use form and explosive (or any high dmg skill that won't get hack)

[wise granite]

Ye

[rustic bough]

yeah, we went 2-man skill build in PTS. only took us as far as loop 19, then we hit the wall

[wide karma]

huh, I was hoping turret/drone build would be a other good build for descent.
I guess DPS is the route to go.

[rustic bough]

We used Chem launcher and airburst seeker mines. But even if it's just turret and drone it's gonna take forever to kill an elite

[wide karma]

darn it, I was hoping with In-Sync skill and gun dps would do good dmg compare to just doing shotgun

[rustic bough]

Well in-sync makes it a hybrid

[wide karma]

maybe I misunderstood what you saying.
sounds like even with in-sync and Kinetic Momentum on, the turret/drone won't able to kill enemy fast enough compare to the shotgun build or the plague build.

[rustic bough]

Yeah

You can't out-DPS Plague build, ever

[twin geyser]

What's so good about plague? Besides abusing MMR with optimist, of course)

[humble halo]

i really don't want bullet hell with optimist fucks up pretty bad

[glad ravine]

Lf descent duo

[twin geyser]

chatter + optimist works nice - the more bullets you use, the better the damage becomes. Of course, when it refills, you lose it, but still better than reloading LMG(

or super 90 💀
Takes forever

[humble halo]

super 90 💀 💀 pooper 90

[twin geyser]

King of shotties and the one, which brought us to loop 40. Hard to underestimate its power

[humble halo]

true it us the best except for stacking plauge which is acs-12 few shots and you are done just swap

[twin geyser]

I see the benefit of plague against rogues or nemesis, no doubt. But in regular fights.... nah

[humble halo]

they are the most problematic enemies tbf

except for Hyena Rusher

[twin geyser]

Not with trauma, opportunistic combo 🙂

[humble halo]

that things existence is cheating lmao

[twin geyser]

hyena shield guys are the biggest problems for me. Crazy damage, insane shiled health and they move a lot

[humble halo]

hyena shield I don't think we have such a thing

ahh ok

[twin geyser]

There are guys who carry a shield and smg

[humble halo]

i mistook them for outcasts

[humble halo]

i meant to say outcasts rusher here

especially when they gangbangs you from both sides

insta wipe

[twin geyser]

outcast rushers are useful to wipe enemy wave inside the door 🙂
If you catch them in time

[twin geyser]

I just hate when it happens 💀

[humble halo]

if you have foam

[humble halo]

same 💀

otherwise they are lightspeed runner

[twin geyser]

My friend laughed so hard, when I was murdered by THREE of them with 5 sec interval

Literal bullying

[humble halo]

yeah especially during loop changes where you don't know faction

and outcast rusher comes out and say suprise

[twin geyser]

and you're really close to the door 💀

[balmy finch]

Skill issue

[humble halo]

ChampionEevee™ ©®

[rustic bough]

Now we have salvage + allegro to replace Incessant Chatter, if you want to make room for another exotic talent. Except salvage actually fucks up Plague + Optimist builds

Kills with Plague + incessant Chatter don't refill the magazine, but for some reason kills with Plague + Salvage do. It's really stupid.

[twin geyser]

Never understood plague hype...
Anyway, I have to recheck the build for loop 40

💀

[humble halo]

new feature

[wide karma]

If I remember correctly, Salvage at lv1 the trigger rate is 20% and 65% at max.
Something to keep in mind that chatter always give partial ammo back when kill enemy with weapon.
if running with plague, I do see swap out chatter with Salvage for higher chance giving ammo back.

[rustic bough]

The problem is I do not want it refilling my MMR which I switch to after gaining stacks

Chatter works wonders because it doesn't do that

[wide karma]

Not sure is a bug or not, when equip shock & awe (yellow talent) it seem skills with ammo usage get refill instantly.
I got form skill and even I am only have lv2 core, I can keep fire it 2 more time until empty.

[pine siren]

Do you also have lucky shot? That refills (and overfills) chem launcher in the right circumstances.

[wide karma]

I did have lucky shot at lv1

I got refill soon shock & awe got trigger for the 1st time.
While the buff is actives (20s), it won't refill again during that duration.

[rustic bough]

It's most likely from Lucky Shot than S&A

[wide karma]

huh, this never happen before the patch.
must some weird talent combo then.

[rustic bough]

Has always been that way when Lucky Shot is present

[cosmic stream]

LETS GOOOOOOOOO!!!

I killed the nemesis!!! Finally

[rustic bough]

Nice

Now keep going and see how far you can get before skill issue or if life gets in the way

[glad ravine]

Lfg descent

[glad ravine]

Feels like I’m late to the gamemode

[raven summit]

My highest loop is 4 and I’m on east😭😭😭

[shy belfry]

gonna have to talk to division and get you kicked out. gotta do better agent 🤭

[raven summit]

I know I know

[timid mauve]

everyone just need practice

[grizzled belfry]

I want to play but u almost always end up in a duo situation because some leave

[rustic bough]

M870 + Intimidate + Pummel + Incessant Chatter + Bloodsucker is pretty fun. Not meta but still fun

[twin geyser]

Useless against rogues (((

But fun, I agree

[rustic bough]

Useless against rogues? Probably not enough DPS

[cosmic stream]

My highest was 9

[balmy finch]

Mine was 31

[rustic bough]

loop 5 Rikers can fuck right off

also this has been the worst run ever. out of 13 loops, we had 4 of them Rikers, 2 of them BTs, 0 Hyenas

[balmy finch]

lol

[rustic bough]

and the exo talents I got are Sandman and Bloodsucker

[balmy finch]

why tf did you pick sandman over literaly anything

[rustic bough]

i think it was either sandman, liberty or death, or empathic resolve

so between anti-headshot talent and super melee, it's obvious

loop 15 took us 3 hours.

[balmy finch]

About average

[rustic bough]

it's way too slow. 3 hours should net us at loop 20

[balmy finch]

If you're going at 5 loops per 40 minutes then after 3 hours you should be at 22

[errant tendon]

Sandman op tho lol

[rustic bough]

up until loop 11

[twin geyser]

I just enjoy seeing boss rooms and rogues one after another, which makes loop just a 3 min blast, instead of 3-wave slog

[arctic scaffold]

Someone who wanna help me with descent ? First time doing it and I'm level 10

[arctic scaffold]

Is it worth doing these descent things ?

[nocturne hedge]

Do we have a list of the new blueprints added?

I got a list of the old ones but the new stuff

[balmy finch]

#td2-descent message

[nocturne hedge]

Nice, harmony's bug was fixed?

[balmy finch]

Idfk

[nocturne hedge]

Well its listed as a new blueprint but was actually part of the old batch, just bugged

[fair tendon]

anyone up for descent?

[rustic bough]

oh btw they nerfed the shit out of 4 player scaling now

it's so easy now, almost as easy as 2 player scaling

[twin geyser]

For real?

Sounds like a good idea to start 4-player run to loop 40 👀

[rustic bough]

yes

[cyan fox]

That was one of my biggest gripes with descent
Was that 4 player scaling was off the charts

[rustic bough]

Now 3 player scaling is off the charts

[humble halo]

Lol

So sweet spot is 2 or 4 never 3

[twin geyser]

3 players are suffering harder than 4-player group? LMAO

[twin geyser]

Considering the fact, that it's easier for 4 players to control ad spawns.... I guess 4 is a way to go now 👀

[humble halo]

Mhh looks like it

Also they should make the in-game timer customisable for logout

Give us options of up to an hour

[twin geyser]

to have a bit of a rest between loops? I agree

I guess we'll try loop 40 tomorrow in 4-player group

💪 💀 👍

[rustic bough]

We did a 3-player run last night, it was painful. 3 hours got us to loop 15

[twin geyser]

Does anyone have an updated table of descent talents?

[dusk niche]

Firat descent run of the season and I get doctor home, empathic resolve and kinetic momentum as exotic talents 🤦‍♂️

[twin geyser]

Skipping time 👍

[dusk niche]

Yep gimme muh 250 🤣

[cosmic stream]

I could use some support in the runs

Turns out these nemesis are keeping most of the super classified audio logs on them at all times

[dusk niche]

armor kits still broken and npcs shooting through cover

[balmy finch]

shooting through cover ive not seen

[dusk niche]

Happened a couple of times, minimal health (no status effect) in cover, I'm not shooting and I die somehow

[mighty tartan]

Damn they added more audio logs

[hidden idol]

There is a few cover spots where they can actually hit you if you stay for a bit more than a few seconds (2-5).
Just to make sure, were those spots where your character had the head + a little bit of the shoulder or neck area exposed?

Atleast this is from my own experience.

[balmy finch]

also blind firing is like pure exposure

[dusk niche]

Afaik no, I was literally in cover (for a couple of seconds) but not exposing any part as far as I can tell (wasn't blind shooting or anything). It's happened in several rooms as well so it's not an individual room or cover

[balmy finch]

this argument would just be pure heresay without any video proof

[dusk niche]

Yeah I'll try to record it

[hidden idol]

Bad RNG I guess

[twin geyser]

Guys, am I the only one who doesn't get Nemesis Season 2 Armpatch for beating him? Did it two times already (in a group and solo 5 mins ago)

[balmy finch]

what nemesis season 2 armpatch

[dusk niche]

New season new armpatch, including the nemesis patch. I think you need to hit tier 1 (loop 10) to get it

[twin geyser]

Bruh, that's stupid move from devs, but ok. Thanks for the idea 👍

[dusk niche]

Happened last season and I think they patched it so you get it from Nemesis. Seems it has to be patched again

[twin geyser]

But they're unable to fix Summit Combat Merit Commendation for 2+ years.... The only one which doesn't count my commendation score to be maxed

💀

[maiden canyon]

Immediately kicked out of descent for absolutely nothing?

[nova comet]

it happens

[maiden canyon]

Like i was in a group with 1 and i have been sent back to loop 1 and they stayed.

Definitely isn't an internet issue because I didn't leave party or get delta'd

[nova comet]

oh, that one i havent heard of

[balmy finch]

ok this weeks descent comm

what the fuck

[timid mauve]

the cover issue happened last season, and armor kit bug should be new which encountered once lately

[bold finch]

I've had the armor kit issue the whole time

[gentle briar]

is it even possible to catch up on comms when I'm at 3/29

[twin geyser]

Once per week and by the end of summer next year you'll get them all ^_^

[dusk niche]

I think once the comms are "released" you get them for every descent run

[pine siren]

Haven't tested this season, but last season you just got the current week's comms regardless of whether you had previous ones or not. Running nemesis a second time didn't get you any more comms.

That said, I've done one run this week and it gave me one of the ones I was missing from last season (recognised it because I'd got it on my HC character last season)

[twin geyser]

I just don't skip even a single week 💀

[pine siren]

I didn't skip any weeks, but at first I thought it would be a good idea to do them all on my HC since they need the xp more. After a few weeks I realised if (when) I lose that character I'll lose all those comms too, so I switched to my main SC.

[dusk niche]

Hmm interesting, I missed a week last season and I think I got 2 comms in one run. But I also do a run every week for the comms so I can't def say how it works if you've skipped some weeks

[fierce sinew]

What is the meta setup for solo run after the new update? I am trying for loop 40. My highest is 31. Can't pass that tried several times

[twin geyser]

30+ loops were and are broken in terms of NPC's damage

[balmy finch]

lol

[fierce sinew]

Yah, most of the time died by sniper one shot

[mighty tartan]

You guys think they will add more comms?

[dusk niche]

they added 12 extra comms for this season

[twin geyser]

When I got 17/17 I was happy. Now I'm not 💀

[mighty tartan]

Imagine, each season adding a dozen comms. We’ll never finish completing it

[arctic scaffold]

Can someone explain what descent is? Is it worth doing at a low level?

[balmy finch]

roguelite

[arctic scaffold]

What that means ?

[nova comet]

Roguelike/roguelite is a genre where you start with basic things and the further you go the stronger you get, but when you die/finish your "run" you get either nothing to help you on your next run (roguelike) or overarching benefits that will apply in future runs, like extra health or more damage. (roguelite).

Stuff like Hades, Darkest Dngeon, Risk of Rain, or Slay The Spire

[arctic scaffold]

And is it worth doing ? Like does it drop something?

[pine siren]

if you reach nemesis (can do in 45 mins or less once you get the hang of it) you get an exotic cache, a unique comm (once per week) and a decent chance at a named item blueprint, including some dz-locked named items that are otherwise difficult to come by

[pine siren]

did a second run today, didn't get a comm. I'm still about 3 behind.

[stiff brook]

Is there a list of the named BP up to date that you get from reconstructed caches?

How is the quickest way to farm them?

[rustic bough]

There are 2 ways:
Farm Nemesis runs. You have 50% chance to get a cache.
Farm loop 30 runs. It will take 5 hours but you're almost guaranteed to get at least 4 caches

Mathematically speaking, the loop 30 method is the quicker way

[stiff brook]

Thx mate, just done a loop 25 run right now in 4h. it will take forever to get the 60+ named BP