td2-descent

[grizzled briar]

Yep

[odd nexus]

How comes extra exists if lucky shot exists

[hexed dome]

Stack both

[odd nexus]

Ah

[grizzled briar]

But with lucky shot and chatter u don't really need bullet hell

[hexed dome]

I use Shotgun and Breathe Free

Favorite combo

[grizzled briar]

With m870

[hexed dome]

Super 90 actually

[raven lagoon]

I was having a blast last night with allegro stacked shotgun with plague....few nights before has that but also breathe free and it was just hilarious, just run around and rapid fire everything, wait, and everything just dies on it's own a few seconds later. haha

[hexed dome]

With max Allegro, the burst dmg is ridiculous

I literally deleted Nemesis

He died is 2s

Proc Trauma and just let her rip

[upper smelt]

There's 4 rooms per level, so 20 total by floor 5. Doing 10 easy easy will be 60%, 10 medium will be 40% for the remaining to reach 100 and get the nemesis. It's pretty easy to get through with 10 or less medium rooms

[balmy finch]

But it's random

Hold up

Only 4 rooms??

I thought it was like 6 or 8

[upper smelt]

I don't think I've ever only had hard rooms to choose from, and I've always had enough easy rooms available. Tbh I'm not even doing all easys available and still able to reach 100% by 5. My best run I did 2 hards and still made it

4 rooms that gain percent, then a boss room which doesn't

I just track if I'm averaging 20% per level since that's the pace you need to reach by 5

[balmy finch]

Well I went the easiest available for 4 floors and got to 92

[lucid lark]

allegro with plague is just

insane

[raven lagoon]

it's my new go to if rng is nice enough. u just delete everyone at a door instantly and bosses just melt away and you can light em up then just duck behind cover and wait for them to drop dead.

[drowsy delta]

What’s the best weapon and skill to pick up at the beginning of descent

[ionic plover]

For 4 man rev hive , riot foam , jammer , holo

[balmy finch]

Foam or blinder

[desert pond]

ever tried chatter?

just casually getting 100% rpm bonus and infinite ammo

[lucid lark]

usually i run bloodsucker, plague and whatever last time i had adaptive instincts

[desert pond]

i hate adaptive

its just not reliable at all

at lower loops it has a 100% uptime but later on you dont have it as much

[upper smelt]

Same. The huge unpredictable swings in damage is a huge disadvantage even if the highs are high

I also think plague is massively overrated by so many people....

[raven lagoon]

plague only really shines with being able to stack stacks FAST

like I love plague, but you have to be able to really max out stacks as fast as possible to really make it do some major damage. and it also seems slightly unreliable on transferring the dmg to nearby enemies (at least for me last night it seemed to fail to transfer enemies right next to each other every so often) but if you're stacked on damage it's does a pretty good job on wiping elites quickly just via the ticks.

[obtuse flint]

I think plague really suits my playstyle because I play solo as a door camping coward. I’m not going anywhere besides my door and one designated location within 5 paces of my door.

Yes I can use breathe free if necessary until I’ve gotten plague as an option, but there’s much to like about plague. For example, I’m pretty sure that when you have stacks on an enemy, they get staggered as if you are still shooting at them.

A lot of the time, I’ll just leave max stacks on a boss and assume it will kill him while I focus on the rest of the mob. Similarly, it’s great crowd control when I’m using a shotgun on a door as they first spawn. The enemies will come out with a slightly staggered walk compared to the full sprint without it.

With black tusk, hyenas and Rikers, plague really shines. I don’t have to deal with the annoying shield types, and it’s a lot easier to deal with those machine guns from the Rikers. Dogs die so quickly and they usually transfer stacks to each other.

While I agree that rarely the stacks fail to transfer, the only real issue I have with plague is trying to use it with incessant chatter. If plague kills, you don’t get the chatter proc and that’s a serious issue on later stages for sure.

[desert pond]

and chatter is kind of a must have later on bc of ammo

im pretty sure you'll start to run out of ammo at high loops

with chatter i dont even bother opening the ammo crates

[balmy finch]

are you sure this is possible solo

cuz im literally 84% at the end of loop 4 when picking the easiest difficulties itll give me. it keeps giving hard or medium

[upper smelt]

I pmed a run of me doing it, but it's not a 1-off, I can do it consistently

[balmy finch]

cuz i cant do it no matter what solo

[upper smelt]

Wait, loop 5, not 4. 5 is the earliest

[balmy finch]

yes if you dont have 100 by the end of loop 4, then you have to go through loop 5, meaning you encounter nem on loop 6

if you have 100 by loop 4, then you fight nem on loop 5

[upper smelt]

No, you encounter it on 5 right after the level 5 boss

[balmy finch]

raucey, nemesis is its own floor lol

[upper smelt]

I feel like I've been clear I've been completing floor 5 lol

4 rooms per floor, 20 total through 5 floors. Nemesis at the end of floor 5

[balmy finch]

oops

[upper smelt]

https://imgur.com/a/FT9yGcJ

highest loop is 5

[balmy finch]

yeah i saw my brain fell apart

[obtuse flint]

I have also consistently done it on loop 5. Rarely do I go to loop 6 unless I pick a random boss room for the extra NSA tech (yes I know I’m just hoarding at the moment, but I figure it can’t hurt)

[desert pond]

i usually go for whatever is most difficult until nemesis

afterwards i like to make sure rogues dont bend me by avoiding hard as if it was a plague

at least until 25 that is lol

[spiral haven]

how much exp we can get from 25 loop?

[timid mauve]

More or less 40 level up

[silver junco]

uh why isn't the weekly nemesis project finished

[ionic plover]

Resets every tuesday

[silver junco]

i beat it yesterday tho

[ionic plover]

Maybe the game has feelings too and doesn't like you

[silver junco]

but i didn't quit afterwards, instead continued for a couple loops

[ionic plover]

Yeah actually I think that happened to me aswell in the 1st week

[silver junco]

anyways i got the comm dropped and that's enough for me i guess

[silver junco]

9 comms to go. sigh

[desert pond]

it cant

currently you cant finish that project

you will recieve the reward but it wont turn itself off

aka free exotic every time you beat nemesis

[silver junco]

really? i just did earlier today and it showed as finished

does it mean it will reset once i login again

[desert pond]

yep

[silver junco]

heck yeah

[desert pond]

if you want to farm exotics dont do it in descent tho lmao

[silver junco]

yeah i just want to collect all the comms

[desert pond]

fair

[balmy finch]

comms only drop once a week

[silver junco]

well that sucks

[river sapphire]

not if you've completed it at least once a week since it came out 🤓

[balmy finch]

i have 3 comms wdym lmao

also just got a 33:33 time

lets see if i get a reconstructed cache 🙏

nope, better luck next time

[eager fulcrum]

Is it just me, or is Decent cheating?
What I mean is, it appears the mode becomes more difficult when you bought boosts with your NSA credits.
I am pretty sure I didn't saw any veteran mobs on my route to the Nemesis, now they appear in Loop 4. Also I am not sure I had 2 waves before loop 8, now those start at loop5.
So is buying boosts makes it harder to reach Nemesis?

[balmy finch]

Loops scale different solo and group

[eager fulcrum]

I only play solo.

[balmy finch]

So it's just you lol

I think you're remembering incorrect

[river sapphire]

I have 4

did you miss one?

[balmy finch]

Wait how long has it been ou

No I didn't miss one

I think I just miscounted lmao

I defo have them all

[river sapphire]

ye prob it 4 for me rn

[silver junco]

i think i missed a week at least
got 3 comms atm

[balmy finch]

maybe you missed the first week since it was only like 3 days

just checked i do indeed have four

[silver junco]

yeah

[shy vale]

Hmm i almost got all my NSA ipgrades done...

I Wonder if i will keep playing. Or find it motivating to play descent...

[balmy finch]

bps

[shy vale]

Bps?

[grizzled briar]

blueprints

[shy vale]

Right..

[hidden idol]

wait, if you don't do descent weekly you lose a comm?

Or will you be able to gather every single one as long you kill nemesis X amount of times (same number as comms available)

[balmy finch]

you can get a comm if you kill the nemesis in a week

so if you dont get it in a week then you have to wait another week

[hidden idol]

ah ok, so you don't lose a comm forever, just have to spend another week waiting

[balmy finch]

yes

[hidden idol]

thanks

btw what is the leaderboard for highest loop on pc?

I remember that PS was around 34 up to 44

[balmy finch]

for group or solo

[hidden idol]

both

[balmy finch]

solo i think is around 114 last i checked

[hidden idol]

Dear god

[balmy finch]

and group around 70 something

[hidden idol]

114 should be over 1 day of run

[balmy finch]

lol

[visual solstice]

Playstation Decent leader board highest loop solo is currently 62 and grouped is 84. Hardest part for any pc solo or team agent is being able to have a run longer than 30 minutes without crashing. Personally I am going to have to look at taking a few days holiday from my work so that I can make a serious attempt at breaking into the top 10 either grouped or solo on PlayStation because for me to spend over 3 hours playing Decent I am going to have to have a clear schedule for a few days

[upper smelt]

The top few are certainly cheating on PC

[twin geyser]

Will try to do loop 40 run tomorrow, but knowing my luck, somewhere near 33 I'll be one-tapped... again 😭

[ionic plover]

You actually get a comm every clear until you catch up. I missed the first week comm with all 4 characters and then when the Tuesday reset hit, I cleared twice with each toon and got 1 each run. You obviously can't move ahead though. So this is the 4th week, you can get a comm every clear until you hit the 4th comm

[obtuse flint]

How do you think they are cheating?

[upper smelt]

There's a tool that uses public game stats to detect people who have unrealistic stats

[desert pond]

idk man

im sure scaling stops at some point

and of you play really safe youre fine

its just that most of us dont have the patience to hump doors and cover for 10h straight lmao

[obtuse flint]

I mean 10 hours straight still can’t translate to 114. That’s days of a run. So I’m very curious as to how they’ve managed to pull it off

[young raven]

I'm doing Descent and the weekly project by defeating Nemesis remains undone.

[red mica]

Im trying to get the weekly project, me and a buddy defeated Nemesis but it still says its not complete has anyone else had this?

[raven lagoon]

common bug

[desert pond]

you get the rewards but the project does not finish

[red mica]

yeah

[young raven]

I defeated Nemesis two times today and the project remains undone. And after defeat Nemesis this last run me and my team mate continue and a ridiculous situation occured. My team mate stayed in a room alone, closed and I gone for another room and the door closed and I was in that room without begin because the other agent was in other room...fantastic. And I got the exotic cache but not the collectibles and the patch.

[balmy finch]

Patch is bugged and you can only get one comm per week

[stable crane]

what dose the patch even look like?

[balmy finch]

Idfk nobody has it cuz it's bugged

[young raven]

A team mate has it.

[stable crane]

picture?

[drowsy delta]

If you join someone mid descent would you spawn without weapons

[raven lagoon]

Shouldn't be able to join mid descent anymore.

[drowsy delta]

Should’ve put a question mark around that one my bad

Are you even able to join mid descent

[raven lagoon]

Not anymore, was fixed, to prevent exploiting

[drowsy delta]

Oh good good

[uncut gate]

Thats soo wrong...

[uncut gate]

https://i.imgur.com/MEYnsBu.png

[stable crane]

Its 1 of the better looking patches

[odd nexus]

It's the green nemesis logo

[obtuse flint]

Oh, I thought there was a unique patch for the week that they were talking about.

[hexed dome]

So, I just read Exotic caches from Descent contain raid weapons, is that true?

[stable crane]

I hope not

Though if they do the drop rate would be extremely low

[manic dragon]

They fix the descent bug yet

[raven lagoon]

which one?

[balmy finch]

No lol they are regular exo caches

Who told you this

[manic dragon]

The shd lvl one

[pine siren]

they fixed the xp exploit, yes

[manic dragon]

God damn it I didn’t wanna grind on Xbox like I did pc well shit

[humble halo]

this game mode is even more amazing than countdown 🙃

[balmy finch]

thats like comparing apples to cooked steak

[humble halo]

you again even in this chat 😂 😂

[balmy finch]

im bored

[humble halo]

me too playing div1

cause why not

last night went to resistance wave 38

[humble halo]

find someone to play with

[balmy finch]

#lfg-pc lol

[humble halo]

and do illogical stuff

like using imperial Dynasty 😂 😂

[odd nexus]

I originally thought this too from the initial stream but turns out it said excluding not including raid exos

[icy spade]

oh lord almost had nemesis solo but i throw grenade he rolls, but mid roll he snipes me :/

[raven lagoon]

sounds about right

[icy spade]

he was like half just health bar, rip me

[raven lagoon]

if it makes u feel better i died to a ded nem (we killed each other at same time) lol

[icy spade]

big oof that one then

tho had fun with the shrapnel trap that run, that thing can shred haha

[odd nexus]

I wonder if it'd be worth investing in skill tiers if I ended up with breathe free and a shotgun/rifle

[icy spade]

by the end i had like 60% chance in skill refresh on skill kill, 50% skill dmg, 30% haste, 20% skill dmg in cover, etc

i could just keep throwing cluster seekers in most rooms

and i had a shrapnel to either cover my back or the door

[rustic bough]

I had a hunch that skill builds would work well in Descent, it's just super risky to get the right skills, and talents

And there are no exotic talents that compliment skill builds

[icy spade]

that's true, i wouldn't even know what exotic would except for the 'One in the hand...' maybe if they add that to Descent

[odd nexus]

Probably the btsu datagloves talent too

[icy spade]

or Waveform one? that switches damage between your two skills?

[odd nexus]

That too

It's such a shame there aren't exotic transmogs

I'd love to have waveform and the datagloves to make my tusk outfit look ultra tacticool lol

[icy spade]

atleast one skill build related exotic in descent would've been nice

[harsh rose]

Is the xp glitch wtill working

[rustic bough]

No

Thankfully

[twin geyser]

Died with my mate on loop 35 today, thanks to the overtuned damage of outcasts' lawnmover. Just one tapped whole bonus + main armor (400%), inflicted bleed and rode away
I just hate devs' idea of difficulty - crazy HP / ARMOR + insane DMG

[desert pond]

insane armour is completely fine

[spark nexus]

bugged at 100% heat. room lock bug... just before nemesis....meh...

[desert pond]

getting onetapped by a sniper regardless of what you have isnt

you can have 500% armour and some bloodsucker stacks and they'll still onetap your ass

[spark nexus]

any word on patch?

[twin geyser]

Sorry, but super90 until loop 30 was two-tapping snipers. After loop 30 - you need at least 5 shoots and that's NOT ok

[balmy finch]

It's realistic

[odd nexus]

💀😭

[balmy finch]

After 30 don't they force you into hard mode tho

[rustic bough]

Talents?

[desert pond]

start running the 5 ammo one, waaaaaay more damage

[twin geyser]

After 25, you have only hard rooms

[balmy finch]

Ah

[twin geyser]

A little confused, can you be a bit clearer, pls?

[rustic bough]

M870 express

[desert pond]

the shotgun with 5 ammo, cant remember its name

[desert pond]

^ this

thanks

[balmy finch]

M870 is nice

[desert pond]

best shotgun hands down

[twin geyser]

The point is - after loop 30, their armor is just 200% more and dmg is damn stupid. it's just not interesting anymore(

[balmy finch]

Then don't play past 30

[desert pond]

lmfao

[balmy finch]

There's no huge incentive

I just stop at nemesis

[twin geyser]

I want patch for loop 40 💀

[desert pond]

theres absolutely no incentive to go past 30

[balmy finch]

Wait is there a patch for loop 40

[twin geyser]

Yes

[rustic bough]

Yeah

[twin geyser]

You didn't know?

[desert pond]

oh shit

well

guess im gonna do some runs

[balmy finch]

I didn't remember if it was just a rumour or not

[desert pond]

see yall in a week

[rustic bough]

So there are 4 tiers, tier 4 is loop 10, tier 3 is loop 20 and so on

[balmy finch]

Meh I'll wait and see if they revamp the system and if they add checkpoints or not

[rustic bough]

I don't mind not having checkpoints, just get rid of the stupid afk timer

[twin geyser]

2 waves instead of 3 would be much more enjoyable

Such a stretch (

[rustic bough]

Were there 3 waves on loop 35?

[twin geyser]

Absolutely

I don't remember from which loop you're forced in 3 waves

[rustic bough]

I wonder if it will reach a loop where it's 4 waves

[twin geyser]

Definitely before 20

[rustic bough]

11 in groups

I think 18 if solo

[twin geyser]

I guess trying to solo this one is the best choice, cuz of scaling

[rustic bough]

Thing about solo is once you go down, it's over

Ironically I'm usually the last to go down in a group setting

[twin geyser]

Reviver hive, but if you fall beforebefore loop 20, it's not game's issue(

[odd nexus]

What are the revive tokens for anyway

Cuz I remember buying one and it didn't do shit

[rustic bough]

It's for reviving your dead allies

You start Descent with 1 revive token. When youve used it, you won't be able to revive your allies the next time they die

So revive hives are very handy as it bypasses that

[grizzled briar]

it works in solo as well ,can revive u from dead

for next rime u need to have token

[uncut gate]

You better start using blindfire build, like t10 braced, steady hand and optimized, mixing'em with compossure and entrench. Hostiles wont bother shoot to you if you are in cover.

The problems are rogues... Unfortunately.

Dont worry about snipers, with such handling, you can just blinfire them from end of the arena. 😁

[odd nexus]

I bought one and it did not revive me

[odd nexus]

I see

[grizzled briar]

idk, but it saved my ass couple times

maybe it was jammed , or internet issue

[odd nexus]

It can be jammed?

[grizzled briar]

in room with EMP things

[balmy finch]

Revive tokens can't be jammed lol

[grizzled briar]

no, revive hive

[balmy finch]

Yeah it can be jammed and prevent self revive

[grizzled briar]

did u had revive hive?

[odd nexus]

Yeah

But I also had a revive token so like

[twin geyser]

Grenade launchers / drones / dogs: are we a joke to you?

[grizzled briar]

only 1 time it dident work for me and it was my internet with 1000ping and packet lost

i dident try , but group of 2 should be best for high loop

boss with shock ammo are my fear ,they killed me very bad

[twin geyser]

Scaling is still stupid (we tried duo today)

[grizzled briar]

Oh

[twin geyser]

I'm curious - how the handling is going to be with T10 Unhinged + T10 Braced, Steady Hand and Optimized for M870? 👀

Satellite dropping or

[raven lagoon]

ever had the urge to spin like a yoyo?

[uncut gate]

If yor are planning to snipe with that gun, then go for it.

But seriously. That combo just doin fine, if you have some stack from SH. At t10 it gives 10%.

So, shoot few bullets with some fast lmg, ar or even with sidearm, then swap to m870.

But be warned, if go go for insanely high rof, that shotty tends to shoot the obstacle where you are stick in. Shooting blindfire ofc. You know, that gun has pump reload animation, so it may looks strange.

[hidden idol]

It revives you only when "down", not DEAD dead

From my experience, it seems others have a best experience with it

[balmy finch]

it should

[uncut gate]

Tokens just works in the same way like in raid ones, besides that you have to buy token if used. It doesnt refresh like in dh and ih.

Also yes, it consumes wheen you are DEAD dead, not while downed.

[balmy finch]

ye it does

[uncut gate]

Not while you are on knees.

[balmy finch]

mhm

[hidden idol]

Actually, I know why it didn't revive me when dead dead

Because it uses all charges at once if you don't drop it before, I think

Atleast this is what I noticed during a duo run, we both got downed, or just me, and it revived me once and no charges anymore

[pine siren]

yeah any time your reviver revives you, it always uses up all charges, regardless if you placed it beforehand or not

[hidden idol]

so that is the reason it only revived me once

[pine siren]

yup, once then it's on cooldown for a few mins

[hidden idol]

thanks, that explains why it never reanimated me when dead dead

[twin geyser]

What if you use master talent? Which at T10 gives 100% chance to restore skill? Or it works only with damaging skills? 👀

[obtuse flint]

I did that! And it was only a few seconds (like 30 I think) with a few skill tiers. Totally useful. I kept reviving myself in late loops 😂

[twin geyser]

I mean... If it works... Meta saving? 👀

[obtuse flint]

Also, you can revive yourself from dead without rebuying token in solo. I’ve done it successfully more than once.

[twin geyser]

When you say dead - you mean, dead dead, when you're not on your knees, right?

[obtuse flint]

Correct

[twin geyser]

That's where we're talking seriously

So, which skill, allow us to one-tap an enemy.... Sticky bomb?

[obtuse flint]

I’m a decoy user lol

[twin geyser]

Oh, we should also use Skill Damage Talent + 6 Skill Tiers

Could be a bit diff to put together, but if it works... It works

[obtuse flint]

Especially since you run unhinged, I’m surprised you’re willing to give another yellow slot up

[twin geyser]

I don't usually use Unhinged, but if we're giving a try with full armor / skill Cores (no reds)... Why not to use it for some dmg?)

[obtuse flint]

Oh I see. That sounds terrifying 😂 if you miss your skill shot you’re ducking and diving

[twin geyser]

I mean, I need only 3 yellow talents to tame Unhinged - Steady Hand, Optimized and Braced. I have 3 more to play with 🙂

[obtuse flint]

Vindictive and trauma are staple yellows for me as well as surge for the skill haste

[twin geyser]

I'm experimenting a lot, because I want that damn arm patch for loop 40

[obtuse flint]

Surge for skill haste saves lives with revive hive

[twin geyser]

100% cooldown is... how many in seconds, actually?

[obtuse flint]

I don’t remember exactly sorry but it was short enough like 30-40 seconds that I just didn’t peek out of cover until my cooldown was done

Plus if you also run decoy, it comes back quite fast so I just kept throwing that out there as well to take the heat off of me

[twin geyser]

That's manageable to survive, appreciation for sharing 👍

[obtuse flint]

Also since incessant chatter is required in late stages, I’ve been running extra and lucky shot for the mag size

[twin geyser]

I do have an idea - sniper turret + 100% skill dmg + master

Only after nemesis, of course

[obtuse flint]

I would be very curious to watch this

Also, I’m sure you could kill nemesis with it

[twin geyser]

To watch me crawling 100% of my time?)

[twin geyser]

You're dooming me right now, aren't you?)

[obtuse flint]

Lol no. I’m of the belief that special ammo solo is all you need to kill him

[twin geyser]

Yeap, because every attacking skill is automatically turned against you during the fight

I was unpleasantly surprised to find out, that he's ok to heal himself 5 damn times in a fight

[obtuse flint]

😂

So are you in the middle of a run right now?

[twin geyser]

Nope, in my bed. It's midnight

Still need to mentally recover from today's run 💀

[obtuse flint]

Ah I see

[twin geyser]

Theorycrafting is a must for experimenting, I guess

[obtuse flint]

Lol fair. I’m gonna do some more runs once I’m caught up with all my school stuff. But I really think the key to loop 40 is to just be a coward lol

Door camping coward

[twin geyser]

Drone-turret combo... 👀

[desert pond]

^^^^^^^

that with a skill build

and major cowardice

[hidden idol]

From what I tried, drone + turret doesn't work on descent due to the rushers

(post-nemesis)

however I only got to try it once, and I didn't have much skill haste or damage at all

[twin geyser]

Turret + seekers

But rogues....

[balmy finch]

yall the trick with descent is

dont use builds with a fat ass achilles heel

also why the hell are people so adamant about picking oxidizer

[hidden idol]

I don't like Oxidizer because you have to aim 99% of the time to use it and not down* yourself

it is good, but I don't like dying to mobs due to that mistake

[balmy finch]

nemesis kills you

[lofty rock]

Descent is simple -> you do it solo or as 2 or you can't do sht

As 3 is ok you have a tiny chance to kill nemesis after loop 7-8 if you only do hard rooms

[raven lagoon]

it's not incrdibly difficult as a group, people just need to coordinate

[balmy finch]

its fine on 3 if you dont pick fucking oxi

[raven lagoon]

when u got 1 agent each shooting a nem solo then prolly not, focus a nem, kill it, move on to next.

[balmy finch]

if you have shit groups yeah

ive done it plenty solo

and grouped

[raven lagoon]

yeah

it's not bad at all really

[balmy finch]

it is if you public matchmake

[raven lagoon]

now THAT i can def agree with too, lol. MMing in descent and expecting a decent run...eeeeeeeeeh

[lofty rock]

I only managed to kill nemesis solo and as 2 players

[balmy finch]

you always get the groups who go all hard, pick oxi, and die at loop 5

[balmy finch]

ive killed nem i think 4 times today

solo

[lofty rock]

ye solo is easy

[balmy finch]

ive done it as 1 2 3 and 4

[lofty rock]

with a 4 people group they are too tanky

[raven lagoon]

my last 3 player run was on loop 6, all easy and medium rooms....nems were easy enough

[lofty rock]

I've had a good run last friday, we were 2 and managed to get to loop 21 but I was bored and left

[balmy finch]

no point going past nemesis atm for me

[lofty rock]

you get plenty of xp and nsa tech

[balmy finch]

i have 5,196 nsa tech

[raven lagoon]

yeah, other than patches (still not worth it) and an increased recons cache chance (still not worth it) it's only nem runs for me really

[lofty rock]

playing till loop 21 gave me around 1100 nsa tech

and 38 shd levels

[balmy finch]

cache chance is only loop 30, i just spam 30-min nemesis runs

[raven lagoon]

yeah I know, that's why i said not worth it. gotta hit 31+ and nope, no thanks.

[lofty rock]

ye that's too long it nearly took 4 hours to get to loop 21

[raven lagoon]

i'm expecting it to get tweaked SLIGHTLY eventually

[balmy finch]

i think its fine the way it is, just the patches are a bit hard to get simply cuz nobody has the time

[desert pond]

either they give us some checkpoint system or they have to fix the bugs

and remove the god damn afk timer

like, people are gonna drop this mode fast

no incentives to go past 30 whatsoever and crashing/getting a bug mid way feels so awful

thats the only thing keeping me from taking a week off and grinding this

[raven lagoon]

im fine with it the way it is, just sticking to nem runs for the cache chance, but I just see em lowering the loop required for reconst caches (not sure if they can tweak it based on player count or just as a whole only)

[lofty rock]

frankly taking a week off ot grind descent is waste of time

[balmy finch]

i think the loop count is fine

[desert pond]

besides the crashes etc i find it extremely fun

[lofty rock]

@desert pond sure I belive it's fun as well but a full week playing it and you you'll be fed up with this mode

[desert pond]

no

because ive already played it all week once befor

[balmy finch]

i just want all the blueprints lol

[lofty rock]

@desert pond damn I couldn't

[raven lagoon]

same

[lofty rock]

it gives blueprints ?

which ones ?

[raven lagoon]

from reconst caches

[balmy finch]

legacy season and some dz exclusives

few other named exclusives too

so far i got a mop and mechanical animal

[lofty rock]

oh ok I already have all uniques maxed out I won't bother with this :p

[balmy finch]

theres more bps on top of that

like i heard gift and dark winter are in the pool

[lofty rock]

I'm not a big fan of blueprints you always get bad rolls i'd rather farm

[balmy finch]

harder to farm dark zone exclusives than craft them lol

or just named items in general

[lofty rock]

sure but I already got all of them through conflic caches

conflict*

[balmy finch]

you got a high rolled chc/chd gift from a conflict cache?

[lofty rock]

yes plenty

I have aroud 300 hours in conflict so I got some good stuff

[balmy finch]

thats concerning

[lofty rock]

it's a better way to get DZ exclusive items

[vague estuary]

Is there ever a point you should start getting weapon cores instead of armor cores?

[upper smelt]

Arguably right from the start. Imo armor isn't really needed up through the nemesis

[rustic bough]

Pre-Nemesis, weapon cores and a little bit of skill tier

Especially foam chem launcher. More foam is never a bad thing

lucky shot affects skills?

[timid mauve]

Someone in my team said the same thing, I guess it also need incessant chatter or bullet hell to make it work

[rustic bough]

interesting

[twin geyser]

1 skill tier (2 foam shots for rogues and nemesis) + all red before nemesis. All blue after nemesis

[vague estuary]

Hmm, I'll give that a shot next time. I've had way better success doing 1 yellow then exclusively blue from the start

[twin geyser]

What's your highest loop?

[twin geyser]

The only issue with all blues come at loop 30+, where you lack damage really hard

[vague estuary]

I got to 25 and fucked my build up by swapping out an exotic

[twin geyser]

Which ones did you have before you ruined the run for yourself?)

[vague estuary]

So the first rogues I fought I didn't have enough damage to kill them

Breathe Free. I swapped it for Adaptive Instincts for some reason

[twin geyser]

What about other two?

I never use Breathe Free on high loops - you won't have a chance to move a lot without being shredded into pieces by random enemy

[vague estuary]

Bloodsucker and bullet hell. I could probably swap bullet hell with something else but never having to reload a shotgun is hard to give up

[twin geyser]

Try Chatterbox talent stacks x5 THEN apply Bullet Hell on top - you'll have infinite shots with x4-x5 (depends on luck with enemies) fire rate + getting back bullets for killing enemies. Blood sucker on top and you're untouchable (until a specific point)

[vague estuary]

I've heard about that. I am planning on giving it a shot but I've only just started messing with Descent yesterday so I figure I have room to explore more ideas first. Besides the extra damage from the lady death talent hits really hard with shotguns

[twin geyser]

Indeed, but it requires you moving and if you don't plan to go really high loops - that's a damn nice choice 👍

[twin geyser]

black tusk mustn't approach earlier than loop 15. 2 dogs + turret at loop 6, nice 💀

[timid mauve]

The most deadly fraction, dog and tank means entrench and precise invalid.

[ionic plover]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxed6fP391Y

[hidden idol]

I already got black tusk on loop 1 or 2 iirc

Luckily I had jammer.

[desert pond]

its honestly pointless against everything except rogues

with chatter and lucky shot you never have to reload anyway

[hidden idol]

I think it does, sometimes my foam skill didn't lose a charge when using it

[desert pond]

imagine it worked with sting hive

[hidden idol]

(but you have to "miss" as shooting the ground with it instead of the enemy)

[hidden idol]

btw Lucky Shot t10 seems to be pretty OP, it can conserve a lot of ammo

[desert pond]

it doesn't really matter with chatter

i just use lucky shot because its simply superior to extra mag

[hidden idol]

Chatter is good but if you keep missing it would be a bad thing

[desert pond]

with an lmg you have 200 ammo, it doesnt matter

[hidden idol]

which is exactly a skill issue of mine

[hidden idol]

isn't the mag size only 100 for the LMGs available at descent? Or there is one or other with 150-200?

[desert pond]

its 100 at base

and 200 with lucky maxed

in earlier loops you can kill everything with 100 ammo

[upper smelt]

You can get to 300 with extra as well

[desert pond]

later on you cant but you get lucky levels so it evens out

[desert pond]

pointless

200 is enough for everything except rogues

and 300 doesnt help with rogues

you'll have to reload anyway

[hidden idol]

is it worth getting Optimistic when you have chatterbox?

[desert pond]

yesnt

its a good skill but im pretty sure youre better off running something else

[hidden idol]

Yeah, +30% Weapon damage for every 5.5% missing is great

[desert pond]

run gunslinger instead

way more value

[timid mauve]

Depends on build, it works great with Plague of the Outcasts and MMR, while chatter still useful with other weapon.

[desert pond]

i wish snipers had scopes man

id run one for late game quickscopes

[timid mauve]

I just shoot couple bullet then switch to MMR with 1 bullet (to maximize optimist), and let the plague do the rest. Lol

[twin geyser]

Shotgun door spamming non-stop and rogue spamming feels satisfying. And yes, reloading during rogue's fight and losing all your stacks doesn't sound like a good plan for me 💀

[balmy finch]

i got my third reconstructed cache pog

got a test subject bp

[desert pond]

you can spam a shotgun at doors without bullet hell

again, bullet hell only gets value against rogues

[twin geyser]

I want to spam rogues

👀

[desert pond]

well thats not happening without bullet hell, fair point

but fighting rogues without chatter stacks isnt too bad either

[twin geyser]

Indeed 👍

[neon spear]

Still haven't beat nemesis yet

[balmy finch]

f

do it solo

[rustic bough]

Solo is too boring. One time I extracted at loop 3 because I nearly fell asleep

[desert pond]

you should try getting past 25

thats whete the real fun begins

[cyan fox]

Yea but the problem is is that it's boring before it

There's so much that just feels so boring solo

Anything before the nemesis is the most boring slog
And thats with taking easy rooms everytime

Then you beat him and until loop 16-17 it's boring yet again

[azure notch]

The highest loop I've been to is 5. Never seen Nemesis at all. The XP farming has been great though, well over 20 SHD levels since I started playing. Went from 459 to almost 600 within about 4 to 5 runs at 45 min or so each

[balmy finch]

Tomorrow I can take you through descent and beat nemesis if you'd like. Shouldn't take over an hour

[cyan fox]

Honestly nemesis is like trivial if you got good cc and damage

Foam his ass or blind him and then shoot

[balmy finch]

I usually alternate

[ionic plover]

Nemesis kill should equal a reconstructed cache

[desert pond]

or let it be a 10% chance after nemesis

increasing by 5% every 5 or so loops

that would reward high loops and wouldnt punish people who arent good alot

[ionic plover]

Gotta have something to drive people to play it...at least for now you get an exotic cache, but for me, I have every exotic on all 4 characters and all maxed out - gotten to loop 21 and had to jump after 4 hours. I would like to get level 2 and level 1 patches, but level 30 and 40 time wise just isn't a driver.

[quaint dirge]

REROL OPTION FOR exotics talents ffs pls and rebalance them meh

[balmy finch]

Why do they need rebalancing

[balmy finch]

That makes it way too easy to obtain

WAY too easy

[balmy finch]

The point is you're not supposed to be handing out dz exclusive blueprints like candy

That's literally the point

[quaint dirge]

at lest remove glass cannon or doctors home and put something more useful

[balmy finch]

Glass cannon is hella useful on nemesis

[quaint dirge]

if you survive

[balmy finch]

Also what exotic talent do you propose they add that isn't insanely overpowered

[balmy finch]

If you die on nemesis to glass cannon that's a concern in of itself

[quaint dirge]

memento , coyote ,ravenous one ,egagle bearer

rare gear wise

something new maybe that increases your rpm or lucky change on having rare gun in "shop" idk

[balmy finch]

Rav wouldn't work, coyote would be as bad as adapted, memento would be kinda neat they'd just have to nerf it, and eagle bearer would be way too op

[balmy finch]

Incessant chatter changes rpm tho

[quaint dirge]

i mean chatter box talent is kinda so useless since in descent is based on radius still you wont utilize it much as riot shit also shield tier doenst scale with blues only yellow

maybe intruduce some station mid game to farm some rare talents or set bonuses idk just saying to be more fun and engaging

and also if you die theres no reset button you must go to DC which is annoying

[balmy finch]

Shield tier can't scale with blues

Because it's armour percent not core

That's why they removed the other half of clutch

to farm rare talents

That's kinda weird

And doesn't rly fit the descent aesthetic

[desert pond]

oh so you mean like bloodsucker?

you know they can rebalance stuff right?

[obtuse flint]

Just an FYI, incessant chatter is basically required after loop 30 or you will run out of ammo.

[desert pond]

and its ridiculous before 30 aswell

just casually doubling your dps with no effort whatsoever

[obtuse flint]

Fair and no longer having to use up a red slot with allegro

[desert pond]

and not having to bother opening the ammo crate every time

and not having to reload ever again

its just one of those must pick exotics

you see it, you take it
that simple

[obtuse flint]

Eh, tbh I rather have bloodsucker first. Remember I’m a coward and I don’t want to die lol plus I invest in red cores so bloodsucker is a must have to even that out

Bloodsucker then plague then chatter for me

[desert pond]

hell naw

if i ever pick up plague itll be last

[obtuse flint]

Early loops I don’t particularly mind reloading. Gives me down time to decide my next move

[desert pond]

lmao

[quaint dirge]

wait if you dont wanna reload and dont care much about alergo why not pick bulletking exotic talent then ?

[desert pond]

meanwhile i dont ever use cover until loop 15

[desert pond]

bullet hell doesnt give you as much ammo as chatter and it doesnt increase rpm

bullet hell is just worse

[quaint dirge]

ye but you risking 15 m of dying around enemies and single target woudl be on nemesis with reloading or elites

[desert pond]

what

dude you just reload at the door

no risk involved

woth nemesis and rogues you will lose your stacks

but you'll get em back immediately

[quaint dirge]

you need to kill to fill mag on nemesis you cant kill so you realead always with that talent so its only good outside single target

[desert pond]

again, on nemesis and rogues its bad

but everywhere else its a top pick

[quaint dirge]

and if you get black tusk robots meh i see a lot of cont than prons from chatterbox vs bullet hell

and stack alergo

you got it

almost same

with famas

[desert pond]

who cares about robots

either plague or just mow them down

dogs dont stop chattee

also

without chatter youre fucked after loop 30

you will run out of ammo

[quaint dirge]

but they takes longer to kill

[desert pond]

so what?

[quaint dirge]

so refill will be less likely to happen

[desert pond]

you got 200 ammo at your disposal

[quaint dirge]

still 50 % on mag only vs full alerho and bullet hell

[desert pond]

if thats not enough to kill a dog you need to practice aim lol

[quaint dirge]

well then its on player preference at the end

[desert pond]

50% ammo that you get back, bullet doesnt do that

[desert pond]

no it isnt

because again

after loop 30 woth bullet hell you'll run out of ammo

with chatter you wont

[quaint dirge]

ye bullet gives 100 from time to time and buying ammo at late game is easy and if you have 2 types of ammo weapons its fixed

[obtuse flint]

Take it from me, I’ve reached loop 35 and I did that run with bullet hell. I wouldn’t repeat because it took me like 20 minutes to clear one room with a pistol because I ran out of ammo on loop 32

[desert pond]

^^^

[obtuse flint]

Literally lived through that by spamming leadership and just biding my time until I could get to the hyenas healing ALL of the shield guys

[quaint dirge]

ill give it a try

can you pls tell me in what weaves you will be offered exotic talent choice ?

[obtuse flint]

Only loop 1 is guaranteed

All others are RNG

[quaint dirge]

oh i didint know that thank you

[raven lagoon]

ty descent, for giving me 56 levels from a single run. XD \o/

[obtuse flint]

I bet you had a great time opening all 36 caches before you could go to the White House 😂

[raven lagoon]

lmfao, my screen is STILL updating all the prof caches and gear from them

im just sitting here waiting for shit to stop blinking across screen

[obtuse flint]

What loop did you make it to?

[raven lagoon]

only 17

rikers got me, lol

[obtuse flint]

Dang nice

Yeah Rikers are legitimately the worst. I hate that faction the most by far

[raven lagoon]

funny part is i died, got dead screen, got revived by my hive like 10 seconds later, died again

XD

[obtuse flint]

Lol yeah

I hate that they keep firing at you when you’re dead lol. So unfair if it’s a heavy

That’s where I also think 2-man shines. You’d at least not be surrounded

[raven lagoon]

atleast i got 16 proficieny levels out of it, and got my HC dude up to 788 now

[obtuse flint]

Oh yeah I forgot you HC players existed

I remember seeing a bunch of them when descent first came out. They definitely came to exploit levels haha 😂

[raven lagoon]

Some definitely did for sure

[stable crane]

I beat wony on my hc character now comes the fun part

[inland mist]

i got to loop 40 and haven't received my tier 1 patch. hopefully they fix that

[twin geyser]

You need to beat loop 40, not only reach it

[obtuse flint]

I am heartbroken for you if you left at the beginning of loop 40 😭

[twin geyser]

Big F for the guy 💀

[fierce sinew]

Is Hardcore character safe if I die in the Descent mode?

[rustic bough]

yes

[fierce sinew]

great, so we can farm shd lvl for hardcore character

[pine siren]

Yes, if you don't mind defeating the entire purpose of playing hardcore

[shrewd flame]

So where's the guy arguing about the exploit like a couple weeks ago now?

[teal fiber]

When are they banning players for descent exploit ?

[pine siren]

#news-and-announcements

[upper smelt]

Sounds like people have already been banned

[teal fiber]

I checked one players and he still have 40k of shd 😢

Didn’t get ban

[humble halo]

he may be legit check his hours too

[upper smelt]

What were they before? 40k can be legit

[humble halo]

my friend is 26-27k and streams

he farms like crazy

nothing wrong check their time to be sure

like the people with 1 million shd

not possible

for 40k if he is at like 5000hrs than its pretty legit

[upper smelt]

Even looking at character hours can be off since you can delete characters counting the hours

[humble halo]

yeah but than what to look for legit or not

usually I use a tracker site

I saw a player with a million shd and like wtf 😂 😂

or if ubi have some sort of api you can make calls to that to return in game time

[upper smelt]

Tbh unless the shd is like 100k+ extreme we can't really tell.

And even then there's a handful of players reaching 100kish

[humble halo]

agree

https://tracker.gg/division-2/profile/uplay/nerfking6950/overview

[humble halo]

site I usually use

[humble halo]

for 100k we need proof like regular xp streamer

[balmy finch]

you dont lol

[vast garnet]

yes, i'm all for demanding proof. like whenever i see a random person on the street, they need to show me their citizenship papers since i demand they prove they're not in this country illegally. i mean, i should be allowed to suspect/accuse everyone and they should be required to provide me proof. guilty until proven innocent! it works, man!

[humble halo]

😂 😂

nice way I would say

[balmy finch]

last i checked theres someone here ive played with thats around 70-80k legit

that was months ago thouh

[humble halo]

also can't we enter the room gate in descent if we are left out?

[balmy finch]

wdym

[vast garnet]

stellar's 80k. hiroshi's 140k.

[balmy finch]

must be hacking

[humble halo]

me and my friend were playing he went inside and crashed and the door to room got locked

[balmy finch]

once someone leaves they cant rejoin

[humble halo]

I didn't enter quick enough

not descent lol

outside the room

the room gate closed

[balmy finch]

oh yeah theres nothing you can do

just dont be slow and it doesnt happen

[humble halo]

ok 🥲

not slow but why someone else crashing f*k up your gameplay

[grizzled briar]

why descent doesnt give us apparel event key , i got 9 normal lvl BUT only normal key no event key?

[twin geyser]

Yeap, in the same boat here. Devs are literal clowns

[timid mauve]

It's a shame, descent is only thing I like to keep grinding other than open world shit.

[balmy finch]

There's probably an actual reason for it

[fast laurel]

clowns are entertaing and make great balloon animals..

[twin geyser]

There isn't? We get regular apparel keys, SHD levels but not Apparel Event keys?

[pine siren]

if you gain levels while shepherding someone in story mode, you don't get season levels (because you're in a world where seasons haven't been unlocked yet), presumably descent counts the same now - since story-mode players can play it too

[balmy finch]

It's not something to freak out over

[twin geyser]

But it's damn stupid

[humble halo]

the only stupid thing In this game mode is how stupidly it crashes

[twin geyser]

It's not the gamemode

It's the game

XD

[balmy finch]

Then don't play it

Complaining does nothing

[humble halo]

👀

[balmy finch]

Am I wrong lol

[fast laurel]

draws a connection.. others might experience the same.. bonds are formed and bosses taken down in Legendary..

its a critics job to complain..

[azure notch]

Hi Agents, @balmy finch is that invite still open for a Descent run?

[balmy finch]

Not doin it rn since I work in a few hours

[balmy finch]

Nobody forms bonds via complaining about a video game

There's a line drawn between complaining, critiquing, and criticizing

[azure notch]

Alright

[balmy finch]

I'll do it tomorrow tho

[azure notch]

I'll sneak on Discord and check if you online then drop a poke

[humble halo]

invite me too

[fast laurel]

or we could just let people have their opinions? lol

[pine siren]

it's a professional critic's job to complain - everyone else just does it as a hobby

[fast laurel]

eggsalad!

[balmy finch]

And I can assure you nobody actively in this server meets that criteria

[fast laurel]

[unkempt shoal]

Hi, Annyone wanna run Desent?

[candid mirage]

Need 1. Descent. Long run.

[desert pond]

@candid mirage define "long"

[candid mirage]

If you run descent, understand it takes hours.

@desert pond

[desert pond]

@candid mirage what region you in

because od be down

[short orbit]

Group size?

And what's highest loop so far?

Got 48 hours time 🤣

[desert pond]

i have about 10 but that should do

[short orbit]

Yeah 10 hours you should be able to reach around loop 65-75

[abstract trail]

Yeah 10 hours is not long enough to reach 60🤣🤣🤣🤣

[twin geyser]

I love this enthusiasm until you reach rogues at loop 30+

[desert pond]

you mean 25+

[abstract trail]

Ive gotten rogues as early as 10. One loop i got them in every room until the arena.

[short orbit]

Rogues can spawn anytime after defeating Nemesis but just in Hard rooms. At loop 25 there are no Medium or easy rooms. So you can avoid them to a certain Level if you want

[obtuse flint]

This happened to me in the late 20s a lot.

[jaunty totem]

furthest i got was my first nemesis who 1 shot me w the chem launcher

[lucid lark]

I remember that

Happened to me

The only thing sad about descent is once you get everything perfect you just get bored

[obtuse flint]

https://imgur.com/a/acS6APM

If you run to where I’m sitting under cover, about 80% he will just spawn right behind you. So, you just stun him there. Trauma helps a ton

If you keep him stun locked, no skills 😁

[jaunty totem]

lol ill have to try that

[abstract trail]

Main issue with descent is going for along session only to have game crash or delta. So it's super off putting. Got a delta at 47. Havent ran since.

[obtuse flint]

Oooo you’re on the leaderboard then I guess

I haven’t been able to play in a bit. You still first page?

[abstract trail]

Nah.

[obtuse flint]

Really?! Yikes, I’m scared to look now haha

[abstract trail]

1st page is 58

Tied for 6th at 58

I was 2nd at 47th

Now im tied for 14th lol 🤷🏾‍♂️

[obtuse flint]

Rough. I got smacked then 😭 I used to be 3rd at 35

[abstract trail]

Yeah it sucks. I have the time to run. Just dont want the delta.

I was willimg to go to 100

[obtuse flint]

No more time for me tragically, but also I only want 40 and then I’m done. But if they added checkpoints I’d probably come back after that

[abstract trail]

Yeah other than the commendation patch at 40. I dont see much reason other than leaderboard.

[short orbit]

Yeah my buddy had a Delta at 26 and doesnt want to go in anymore 🤣 now iam looking for a new buddy 😜

[abstract trail]

Yeah it sucks.

[twin geyser]

No, I mean 30+, when their HP and DMG scale becomes straight cheating to the ceiling

Before 30 it's manageable

[cyan fox]

Before 20 it's boring solo then it gets a bit harder then after 30 it's just wack as shit

[abstract trail]

We were still killing them inside the doors at 40. It wasnt their health I was concerned with it was how ridiculous everything could seemingly one shot us

[twin geyser]

Is there any reason to take blue cores if you're one-tapped at any loop?

[cyan fox]

Don't think they did any scaling testing past 10 tbh

[obtuse flint]

Yeah, Leadership

[abstract trail]

Nope. That was my mistake once. I had too many blue. When we delta at 47 i only had 190% armor. The rest was all red and critcal. Besides level 10 leadership is OP as fuck. You can cover to cover to the door just before the spawn and face tank pretty much every thing there.

[obtuse flint]

Now, I will say I’m not nearly as extreme as you guys, and I take half red half blue, but yes, if you raise your armor to 2x all the time, it’ll keep you alive

[abstract trail]

Everything should die before the bonus armor is gone woth leadership 10

Assumimg you have a crot build

We ran out of ammo once and had to use pistols on 35 because we had too much blue. I said. Never again. All red from then on lol

[twin geyser]

What are your dmg talents, if not a secret, pls?)

[obtuse flint]

You would be surprised how often I have to argue with folks about how necessary leadership is late game. Thank you for confirming

“Cover to cover moves are just not realistic in the middle of combat”

[abstract trail]

No secret. Here.... idc...

I always run shottie and smg. Leadership to the door for double bonus.

Red - surgical, critical, vigilance, versatile, gunslinger, allegro

Blue- leadership, clutch, adrenaline rush, perservation, insulated, entrench

Yellow - skilled, oppotunistic, trauma, vindictive, optimized, lucky shot

[twin geyser]

Exotics?

[abstract trail]

Exotic - lady death, bullet hell, plague of outkast.

[obtuse flint]

😭 been told y’all plague is fire

[abstract trail]

At full bore. I had 250 amplied damage. I could kill rogues at doors solo

[desert pond]

why bullet hell instead of chatter

[twin geyser]

I prefer chatty + breathe free + bullet hell. How busted is plague on shotty? Super 90, specifically

[abstract trail]

Because after a while that reload will get you killed if you are using a shottie. You have to kill in order to proc chatter. Lol

[desert pond]

well yes but wont you struggle on ammo past loop 30?

[abstract trail]

No.

Not with that damage. Amd youll have so much money you can restock every loop

When i went mostly red. I never ran out of ammo. And i was using a magnum for pistol. I was doing nearly 400k on crit headshots. Lol

[desert pond]

how many blue cores do you get

[twin geyser]

I like stacking chatty and then slapping Bullet hell so it's x5 fire rate + no reload + ammo comes back

[abstract trail]

My issue is simply the damn delta. We'd still be going. Lol

They were dying in like 2 seconds. Lol

[obtuse flint]

Were you duo or trio?

[abstract trail]

Even those riker shield dudes were dead as soon as the door opened

2 man.

If we had a 3rd who was utility... wed be super good. Lol

[obtuse flint]

sigh eventually I’ve gotta try that

I’m just too old for 8 hour straight sessions lol. My circulation isn’t cut out for that

[abstract trail]

Gunslinger at 10 is 150 weapon damage on swap for 14 seconds. Plus versatile is 100 amplied damage for 14 seconds. Lol with shottie and smg. Everything in a door is dead.

[obtuse flint]

Yeah, I did feel the reduction in damage when I tried getting rid of gunslinger.

Can we go past the 60% on crit? Cause I saw you have surgical and vindictive

[abstract trail]

That i dont know because therexs no way to check your stats. I just stacked them anyway

For the extra crit damage

[obtuse flint]

Yeah definitely dumb design on that part

[abstract trail]

You defintely see the extra damage reflected in the numbers. The chance idk

[twin geyser]

Nope, 60% is a hard cap everywhere

[desert pond]

yep, surgical + shop = 60%

[abstract trail]

Weapons i used sasg and m1928 smg. I tried vector but prefer the 1928...

[obtuse flint]

Well, I’m defending my dissertation tomorrow so maybe I’ll celebrate on Wednesday with a descent session 💪🏾

[abstract trail]

Im free until friday. Literally sitting here staring at the descent start door. Lol

[obtuse flint]

It’s funny cause I don’t even think I’ll really play the game after I get the patch 😂 can’t even show it off

[abstract trail]

Do i or dont i? Lol

[obtuse flint]

Lol, stream it

I’ll watch

[desert pond]

dont

increases chances of deltas

[abstract trail]

Lol

[obtuse flint]

Mmm fair point

It is PlayStation after all 😂

[desert pond]

just clip the last hour once you finish

[abstract trail]

Best time might be these two weeks simce people are suspended

Server may be cleaner than usual

[desert pond]

fair point

[abstract trail]

Cover to cover is in my dna with 8000 hours on this game. Lol youre practically invincible while doing it. Ive gone through hordes with it..lol

Shit is a life saver

[obtuse flint]

Trust me, I’ve tried to explain this so much it’s driven me off of Reddit lol cause I was arguing with too many people about it.

You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink

[abstract trail]

Yeah i dont argue anymore. Mostly high level know it alls who just farm control points but dont know how to actually play. Lol

[obtuse flint]

^ That

[abstract trail]

Just hit em with "ok bro" and keep going. Lol

[obtuse flint]

I wish there was a faster version of descent tho, kinda like rapid waves in the same room or something. That would also be hella fun.

[abstract trail]

I basically speedrun at this point. Those early loops are boring AF. ... i just run to every hard door

[twin geyser]

When you run - enemies are cyborgs with perfect aim. When you use cover to cover - they're stormtroopers from star wars 💀

[obtuse flint]

YES

[abstract trail]

Exactly.

[desert pond]

and you can take advantage of two free 100% damage buffs

[obtuse flint]

and I swear to god I do not understand how people with insane hours do not see that mechanic at play.

[twin geyser]

I noticed it at my first 40-50 hours of playing. Not a bug, but a feature 👌

[abstract trail]

Because theyve been carried for 5 years. Lol

[twin geyser]

Big ooof

[heavy trench]

man no one wants to play descent

[pine siren]

because they're all farming xp for the apparel event and descent xp doesn't count for some reason

[abstract trail]

The sessions are too long and then theres the bad luck of a delta .

[heavy trench]

😦

[abstract trail]

Took 11 hours to get to 47...

[heavy trench]

i just want some people to play with me

[rustic bough]

Wtf is that profile pic

[raven lagoon]

@pine siren In the other thread, were you asking if descent gives season levels? Because it does, just to confirm.

[pine siren]

Ok, thanks

[raven lagoon]

Or you mean like NOW, after update, to see if something changed since patch?

[pine siren]

I did mean since today yeah

Was wondering if descent xp now counted as non seasonal since it doesn't give apparel event keys

[raven lagoon]

Oof, I gotcha. I can ask around as well to see if it does since I know a few folks still working on season.

[pine siren]

Since I know xp gained in story mode while shepherding doesn't

Should test if it still gives more xp if you have directives active in your open world

[raven lagoon]

True, could've fixed a few things and not mentioned it. Worth a test

[nova topaz]

Is there a section for Feedback on this Discord Server? I have some feedback for The Descent.

-NSA Credits used to purchase Caches after all NSA upgrades are purchased.

-Reroll Tokens can be purchased with NSA Credits at NSA shop. Use these to Reroll Exotic Talents, Regular Talents, Skill/Weapon Choice.

-Random Chance for Talent Vendor who will have a list of talents you can purchase.

-Checkpoint every 10 Loops to help with crashes or people needing to leave to handle business.

-Shortcut to bypass nemesis and have a certain amount of Cores/Talents randomly allocated.

-Instead of giving SHD caches for people dropping in just let people drop in and award cores/Talents for the current run.

-Agent customization

-Leaderboard for fastest nemesis kill. Add build/load out to leaderboard

-Add Gear set Talents as a 3rd group of Talents.

-Give a chance of exotic/Gesrset Talents from boss rooms and rogue encounters.

[candid mirage]

It's a tough game mode. Should remain as such. Raises the player's skillset. A checkpoint would work.

[obtuse flint]

I think a less rewarding version of descent with gear set talents would be hilarious and fun. Don’t even care if the XP is trash

[timid mauve]

At least let's solo player "buy" the checkpoint, everytime I have 50k in game credit idle after L20, wish there is a way put in good use.

[nova topaz]

It doesn't, people put off by the difficulty just won't play and thus it will look like no one is interested and the mode won't be expanded upon.

Difficulty purist are really hurting gaming.

[timid mauve]

Perhaps it's not for causal player but difficulty is only way keeps the game mode in longevity.

[rotund birch]

is there a way to swap what talent get displayed on the gun?

say I have adaptive instinct and steady hand, how I can know both talent's counter progress

[hidden idol]

afaik, it will choose the one that you last chose

(chose as level1, upgrades seems to do no affect to change which one will appear)

[hidden idol]

If you get Adaptive > Steady hands, it will show steady hands progress but not adaptive.
Steady hands > Adaptive, it is the same, but the other way around (shows adaptive instinct, but not steady hands)

[rotund birch]

so no actual way to swap display once obtained I assume?

[hidden idol]

I am not aware of one

Only way would be to ditch out and try to get it again (but that would be quite a risky thing)

[shrewd flame]

Yeah, one of the annoying things about Descent is just how talent visuals on guns just supercede over another

Sucks to not be able to keep track of Chameleon stacks once I picked up like Preservation or something

[twin geyser]

It's not hard in a good way, just overtuned to hell

[obtuse flint]

Ultimately just weird that you can’t pick tuning difficulty altogether. You can in everything else. There’s actually a good population of the division that doesn’t play heroic content

[rustic bough]

It's equally as hard as it is for everyone else

[undone bolt]

sounds like that population has a skill issue tbh

[desert pond]

i wouldnt call it hard

just boring

getting onetapped by everything has nothing to do woth difficulty tbh

[ionic plover]

Other than it is new - what drives everyone here to play Descent?

[upper smelt]

Fun

[ionic plover]

What do you consider fun about it? Is it the choosing weapons and talents, the maps, the nemesis fight, etc...

[nocturne hedge]

everything is fun about it except when you delta at loop 22

we need a reconnect feature. players shouldnt be punished cause the devs cant fix deltas and crashes

[abstract trail]

Delta at 22? Try 47😭😭

[nocturne hedge]

at least you got the arm patch for loop 40

[nocturne hedge]

how often do you pick armor, weapon damage and skill tiers after each arena? what talents did you get that got you through 30s?

[grizzled briar]

what talent did u had?

[abstract trail]

I posted my whole build yesterday lol

Hold on

And gave strat

[grizzled briar]

can u send it in dm?

[nocturne hedge]

send it to me too plz

[abstract trail]

Its pretty easy. They just start to hit hard AF after 30. Like everything can 1 shot no matter the armor.

With my build inwas still killing them in the door in like 2 seconds. Even rogues

We just got a delta RIP

Hold on. Lemme scroll back

My build

No secret. Here.... idc...

I always run shottie and smg. Leadership to the door for double bonus.

Red - surgical, critical, vigilance, versatile, gunslinger, allegro

Blue- leadership, clutch, adrenaline rush, perservation, insulated, entrench

Yellow - skilled, oppotunistic, trauma, vindictive, optimized, lucky shot

Exotics - bullet hell, lady death, plague

Sasg-12 and M1928

Reviver and decoy

[nocturne hedge]

i got to loop 32 once but i shot one shotted by an outcast sniper

[grizzled briar]

thanks man

its almost same as mine in loop 30

how much armor and red core did u had?

[abstract trail]

Yeah im a damage 1st person. I hate going blue. Lol i think i had 350 weapon damage cores.

Once we ran out of ammo on loop 35. I had too much blue it was taking too long to kill them so i went back to red as priority for the next run. I tried to do a bloodsucker build but i dont believe in out living them. I want to kill them as fast as possible. 🤣

Once i leadership to a door just before they spawn i can kill everything coming out in seconds. And still have my bonus armor. Rimse amd repeat and hope not to delta

[grizzled briar]

i was solo and i had bloodsucker

[abstract trail]

With leadership i dont need bloodsucker so i go damage.

[grizzled briar]

u was in group right?

[abstract trail]

Yeah 2 man. But i run the same thing solo

[grizzled briar]

in solo i was able 1 shot most of them with all blue core

[abstract trail]

I only need 10 blue cores. 150% armor and i feel pretty safe with that. The rest os red.

I may try a bloodsucker, lady death plague build with steady handed

Has anyone tried a full on skill build?

[grizzled briar]

i need to try leadership

[abstract trail]

Leadership is OP in descent

Esp at 10.

Its keeps you from dropping vigilance too

[grizzled briar]

my friend had oxi but it wasent enough to kill them at door

[abstract trail]

That was my concern.

When all the elites show up will a skill build kill them fast enough

Glad I didn't waste time with that🤣

Leadership to door with gunslinger versatile swap.... theyre dead. I facetank everything doesmt even matter what it is.

[twin geyser]

@abstract trailsasg-12 / super90 or m870 and why?)

[humble halo]

I had super 90 with bullet hell

was crazy 🤣 🤣

[abstract trail]

Either of the 1st are fine for me. M870 even withaxed allegro just doesnt match my rhythm when pulling trigger.

It still felt too slow.

[hidden idol]

Depends on the skill build. I always go T6 for skill (I use foam and bait most of the time)

[abstract trail]

You had friends doing the killing though right?

[hidden idol]

tried turret + drone, but there is way too much "open" cover areas, so if you get rushed, they won't focus neither the turret or drone

[hidden idol]

ahem, They will focus them for a little bit and then go after you*

[hidden idol]

No, solo. Weapon damage from talents is enough to get past the first few loops until nemesis

[abstract trail]

My issue with riot foam when solo is i hate how the swap from the chem launcher to weapon doesmt seem smooth.

[hidden idol]

It's like that for every launcher, no? (and don't even shoot these things over cover, you gonna die)

[abstract trail]

Nemesis. Im always thinking past 30 loops. Chem solo will get me killed. Not in my muscle memory to use it.

[hidden idol]

Oh yeah, but until then you can change it, no?

And foam allows you to activate vengeance, too

[abstract trail]

I use decoy on legendary so i try to stick to my playstyle.

I only need them distracted for a second and tier 6 decoy holds their attention for an eternity to me

[grizzled briar]

bloodsucker was letting me to active vigi as well

[abstract trail]

Yeah thats why iay try it today

Delta has given me ptsd.

[hidden idol]

Btw Pillows, if you are okay with it, I could join you and that other guy as a support-ish

[grizzled briar]

but i dont know about leadership how much can be active when u play solo , is it enough to clear a room in high loop?

[abstract trail]

Thats fine by me but my clan mate isnt goimg to be on due to the wildfires in Canada

Leadership is op solo or group. Lol

[hidden idol]

Understandable, didn't see news for that.

[hidden idol]

Hope the situations gets better.

[twin geyser]

I recommend you to try Bloodsucker instead of Plague for one reason - your damage is so busted, that plague has no chance to stack properly xD

[abstract trail]

I was thinking that.

I stayed with it because i could get full stack on dogs and those mobile turrets the rikers use once they explode you know the rest.

[humble halo]

what's the best exo talent for descent?

and good normal talents for each category

[abstract trail]

And plague was seemingly proc skilled to have zero cooldown on decoy

[twin geyser]

WHAT? It procs skilled on kills?

[abstract trail]

Im still not sure what procs skilled in descent. Because it was almost always up.

Yes. At skilled 10. I had zero cooldown on decoy amd hive most of the time

Like instant for both

I wasmt running any skill to kill and skilled was almost always up. No kidding. Lol

[hidden idol]

Skilled is which one again?

[abstract trail]

In fact im playing right now with skilled at 3... going to let plague kill this last add

[hidden idol]

refills cooldown on kill?

[abstract trail]

Yep. It procs skiled 🤣

At 10 its 100% zero cooldown

[hidden idol]

Sticky bomb fans: Noice

wait, wouldn't that be OP with bleed hive or something?

[abstract trail]

Yep. Only problem is would it do enough damage to actually kill the elites past 30

I want to max destructive, empowered, tech support, 6 yellow. But the problem is... no reviver hive if you use stinger

[hidden idol]

And the reason I asked if I could join you, was due to the fact that I'm pretty sure that buff talent that when you enter cover and buffs weapon and skill by 100% to both you and allies, seems to be pretty nice

(Viligance or Viligante?)

and also that I wanted to try to get to see how a more support build could work and how it goes

[abstract trail]

Yeah we were thinking if we had a true support 3rd it would have been much better. I cant imagine if someone had like 400% armor with leadership and the double bonus. Yikes. I only had 190 and it was ridiculous

[hidden idol]

It's because I'm trying to think which "support" could work.
More tanky or more healing? Or do you think there is enough talents slots to do both at the same time?

[grizzled briar]

do u remmeber the time it stay active in tier10? (leadership)

[abstract trail]

At 30 theres definitely enoung to do both. Lol

[abstract trail]

I think 19 seconds lol

Lemme check and see if i have a video in archive

[hidden idol]

I'm thinking something like: Rush tier 6 for max <Shield?> and Revive Hive charges, Red talents such as companionship and <Vigilance?>, blue with shield related (that one that turns shield invincible and when it gets shot it gives bonus armor) and yellow for max skill haste, duration and durability?

[grizzled briar]

tnx

[hidden idol]

I could do healing instead of shield, but the healing trap is horrible sometimes

[raven lagoon]

it's 19 seconds, 100% armor, doubled if landed within 10m of enemy IIRC.

[grizzled briar]

its seems good replace for bloodsucker but i need to test it

[abstract trail]

Yep its 19 seconds

[grizzled briar]

tnx

[hidden idol]

I'm gonna afk now, bye

[abstract trail]

👍🏽

So the 40 commendation patch is the last thing in descent?

[raven lagoon]

the arm patch? yeah, there's no additional unique rewards after that AFAIK.

and just for records sake (so no confusion by anyone reading this) be sure to complete loop 40 to get the patch (not reach loop 40)

[abstract trail]

Well im good. In talent news. I maxed unhinged once. Omfg at -96 accuracy shots werent even registering 🤣🤣🤣

[raven lagoon]

lol

[abstract trail]

Like right up on the enemy and shots would not register.

[grizzled briar]

with steady hand and braced u have no problem with that

[twin geyser]

That's busted stuff

[abstract trail]

The kind of busted i like🤣

[rough nova]

is anyone getting event cache keys from descent? Got 7 SHD levels, but no keys

I was expecting at least one

[raven lagoon]

descent does not award apparel event keys at this time (intentional or not unsure)

[rough nova]

ugh, that was a waste of an hour

thanks

[abstract trail]

Man... randoms take forever to select skills/talents.

[humble halo]

so give us a guide for skills/weapons

[abstract trail]

Mode is already lomg enough even when running as efficiently as possible and they stare at the wall on loop 1. Like bro, i know you dont have that much currency. Pick something

[humble halo]

I usually pick preservation and clutch

the one that give CHC for dng

[abstract trail]

Depends on your playstyle. I cant tell you how to pick. Ive posted my entire build twice here lol

[humble halo]

please help than

[abstract trail]

Are you a support player or DPS? Whats your best playstyle?

[humble halo]

I do solo so dps is must

[abstract trail]

Are you solo or group

Ok dps.

How far have you gotten solo?

[humble halo]

loop 3 game crashes always there🥲

[abstract trail]

Damn!!!

Thats brutal

[humble halo]

even in a group

🥲

[abstract trail]

Is it really that bad on PC?

Or do you have bad luck?